The Dark Side of the Forum (Pink Floyd)

[RNR]

I'm just a few albums and a few hours of listening to them away from being a fanboy. I was going to buy it anyways but atleast now I know it's good. :)

[Riva]

:thumb:

[Omgz spam]

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

was banned for 14 days. Something like 8 left...

How's the album Meddle? Like seriously, I've heard songs off of it but how's it as a whole?

The songs that I've heard from it are pretty awesome, but I haven't heard it either. What did you get banned for in the first place?

[PinkFloyd]

The saxophonist's is Dick Perry to the guy who asked.

[PinkFloyd]

Yeah I was kind of dissapointed in the purchase of Animals. I've heard all the songs and had them on mixes for ages so I finally bought the album. While the songs are amazing in quality, it just didn't flow aswell as WYWH or the others. And Dogs being the second song on the album is just wierd. You'd think with that epic ending, it would be towards the end. :/

[delicate_sound_of_thunder]

yah it definently wasnt as good as wywh but it was a good album(as is all of Floyd's). I loved dogs. thats like the best song on that album. o and btw yes meddle is a awesome album, especially fearless, san tropez, and echoes.

[DeusExMachina]

To RnR, get Meddle. I know its been said, but get it. It's brilliant.

[Riva]

Animals is supposed to be uneasy listening. It was made at the time that The Sex Pistols et al were making music that was harsh and "not nice". Also, Animals tells a story, and it introduces the Dogs first, as the Pigs are the main focus of the story.

[Sam]

Animals has more songs that are actually songs. Not like The Wall or something that's basically a movie soundtrack with some songs thrown in.

[Distant Echoes]

Meddle is great. Im thankful that echoes is 23 minutes long because that song is so perfect nothing could be added or taken from that song to make it better the way it is. One of these Days is also one of my favorites too. I wish they hadnt split it up on the DVD though.

I watched the "regular" version of it (not the Directors Cut), and it seemed really tacky to me. Im glad i didnt get that one now that i seen it

[Distant Echoes]

I couldnt imagine Dogs last on Animals...Maybe it different if you dont fully understand the concept, but excluding Pigs on the wing 1 and 2, I like Sheep's Ending to the album much better

[Riva]

Animals has more songs that are actually songs. Not like The Wall or something that's basically a movie soundtrack with some songs thrown in.

Actually, everything off The Wall is a song, and I enjoy everyone of them, whether it be Happiest Days Of Our Lives or Comfortably Numb.

Even Stop is musically coherent.

[Distant Echoes]

I think averageguitarist is talking about Floyd style songs going into eachother Like DSOTM rather then just songs thrown on an album. The only real connecting songs on the album are another brick and the happiest days, Empty Spaces to Young Lust, and Stop to The Trial, and probably a few more, but thats only because its more of a rock opera focus than a Concept album, but they perfected what the Who had started only 10 year earlier IMO

[Riva]

I think averageguitarist is talking about Floyd style songs going into eachother Like DSOTM rather then just songs thrown on an album. The only real connecting songs on the album are another brick and the happiest days, Empty Spaces to Young Lust, and Stop to The Trial, and probably a few more, but thats only because its more of a rock opera focus than a Concept album, but they perfected what the Who had started only 10 year earlier IMO

I disagree. I listen to The Wall, and all of the songs flow into each other. I know that you are talking about the end chords of one being the beginning chords of the other, but I still consider a flow even when the song begins abruptly from the next one. Hence The Wall Disc 1 and 2 could be considered one long song, especially with the repeated melody that is most identifiable in Another Brick In The Wall (Part 2) but occurs in a lot of the songs.

[Broken Arrow]

The saxophonist's is Dick Perry to the guy who asked.
Actually Dick Perry played with them on DSOTM not DSOT. That guy was Scott Page.

I love Animals soo much.(epecially right now)

[Sam]

Actually, everything off The Wall is a song, and I enjoy everyone of them, whether it be Happiest Days Of Our Lives or Comfortably Numb.

Even Stop is musically coherent.

They are technically songs, but tracks like Bring the Boys Back home, Empty Spaces, etc are just in their to further the plot or change the mood. They all awesome, but they're not really a song in the same sense Mother or Comfortably Numb is a song.

Whatever. :wave:

[magicbus]

Buy Meddle. Its very very good. :thumb:

In response to the repeated melodies on The Wall, the one that's played under the solo in Hey You is also heard on Waiting For The Worms and The Trial. You know which one I'm talking about, that reeeaal badass one. The one that sounds awesome.

[CarRamRod]

Just a suggestion, If you like Roger Waters lyrics then you should pick up his cd Amused to Death, it is great. And also Roger Waters has recorded some new tracks that are download only about the war in Iraq. I am convinced that Roger Waters lyrics get better with time and he was at his peak with albums like Amused to Death or The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hicking. Too bad lyrics like that were used for his solo work, not with Pink Floyd :( RIP pink floyd

[guitrguy]

They are technically songs, but tracks like Bring the Boys Back home, Empty Spaces, etc are just in their to further the plot or change the mood. They all awesome, but they're not really a song in the same sense Mother or Comfortably Numb is a song.

Whatever. :wave:
If it consists of musical note, and has a begining and an end it is a song.

[DeusExMachina]

I disagree. I listen to The Wall, and all of the songs flow into each other. I know that you are talking about the end chords of one being the beginning chords of the other, but I still consider a flow even when the song begins abruptly from the next one. Hence The Wall Disc 1 and 2 could be considered one long song, especially with the repeated melody that is most identifiable in Another Brick In The Wall (Part 2) but occurs in a lot of the songs.

I agree completely. I always thought the album flowed beautifully.

And to Carramrod, I disagree. I think Roger Waters went downhill in every way after he left Pink Floyd. I don't like those new songs at all.

[guitrguy]

And to Carramrod, I disagree. I think Roger Waters went downhill in every way after he left Pink Floyd. I don't like those new songs at all.
I don't think he has heard him sing.

[DeusExMachina]

Don't think I have, or carramrod has? Because I think those new songs are very subpar, having heard the singing and the instrumentals. The lyrics are boring, in my opinion.

[guitrguy]

Roger cannot sing, its horrible.

[DeusExMachina]

Agreed. He used to sing decently. At least his voice would fit well with the songs. But now it's pretty crappy.

On a completely different topic: Gilmour, remember that shirt you posted the link to awhile back? The tye-dye with Gilmour playing guitar? I got it today! *glee* If I can get hold of a digital camera, I'll post a picture.

[guitrguy]

Agreed. He used to sing decently. At least his voice would fit well with the songs. But now it's pretty crappy.

On a completely different topic: Gilmour, remember that shirt you posted the link to awhile back? The tye-dye with Gilmour playing guitar? I got it today! *glee* If I can get hold of a digital camera, I'll post a picture.
Ironicly, he got it today too.

[lonleybassist]

love pink floyd i do preffer syd barretts music but all floyd is ****inf sweet
the most haunting lyrics i think in the gnome

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Allright, I would just like some clarification about Roger Waters and Gilmour on their vocals. Who sings DSOTM? I'm having a hard time distiguishing them from each other, so could someone give me some defining features of each of their styles?

[guitrguy]

Most of the time its Gilmour. Name a few song thst confuse you, and we might be able to help.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

****. Well, what songs on DSOTM does Waters sing on, that would help me out a lot.

[DeusExMachina]

Allright, I would just like some clarification about Roger Waters and Gilmour on their vocals. Who sings DSOTM? I'm having a hard time distiguishing them from each other, so could someone give me some defining features of each of their styles?

Breathe = Gilmour
Time = Gilmour and Wright
Money = Gilmour
Us and Them = I don't recall
Brain Damage/Eclipse = Waters

Here's a good way to distinguish. In Comfortably Numb, the doctor part (hello, is there anybody in there, just nod if you can hear me, is there anyone at home?) is Waters. The chorus (there is no pain you are receding) is Gilmour.

[Sam]

I like Water's voice better, I have to say. I think in some cases, the Gilmour/Wright combo voice is great for their songs (Echoes, Time, etc.) but mostly Waters just seems to fit the most.

[Kingofdudes]

On a completely different topic: Gilmour, remember that shirt you posted the link to awhile back? The tye-dye with Gilmour playing guitar? I got it today! *glee* If I can get hold of a digital camera, I'll post a picture.

:lol: I got mine today too


I like Water's voice better, I have to say. I think in some cases, the Gilmour/Wright combo voice is great for their songs (Echoes, Time, etc.) but mostly Waters just seems to fit the most.


In certain cases like "The wall" I would agree, but for the most part he is very sub-par. On his "In the Flesh" CD, he sounds horrible on Wish you were here, Time, and money but does sound good on "The Wall" songs.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Breathe = Gilmour
Time = Gilmour and Wright
Money = Gilmour
Us and Them = I don't recall
Brain Damage/Eclipse = Waters

Here's a good way to distinguish. In Comfortably Numb, the doctor part (hello, is there anybody in there, just nod if you can hear me, is there anyone at home?) is Waters. The chorus (there is no pain you are receding) is Gilmour.

Thanks a load. Man, the one thing I dislike about Comfortably numb is the "Hello, is there anybody in there" part. It just gets on my nerves for some reason. :confused:

[Kingofdudes]

Check pinkfloydfan.net's discography, every CD shows who sang what.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Check pinkfloydfan.net's discography, every CD shows who sang what.

Awesome. I love the internet. And Gilmour. :D

[Riva]

Thanks a load. Man, the one thing I dislike about Comfortably numb is the "Hello, is there anybody in there" part. It just gets on my nerves for some reason. :confused:

It is meant to be discomforting. The doctor is intruding into Pink's peaceful mindscape.

[hypocracy hater]

Lets talk about the barrett years

[magicbus]

I enjoy Barret's style of music, but I enjoy Gilmour's more. I really like both though. Matilda Mothre is my favorite song of PATGOD. Its got very cool lyrics and the intro is hauntingly cool.

Another favorite part of mine in Echoes is the progression after the whole strange interlude... with the keyboards coming in around 14:55 or so, and then the guitar comes in and that whole part goes to about 18:42, oh gosh, I love that part, I don't know why but it's awesome.

When this part comes on, everything in the world is good and right.

[DeusExMachina]

I like Barrett's style, and I think I can understand how, if I lived in the 60's and was around when Pink Floyd started, I would prefer Barrett to the later years (as many aging hippies do.) However, in looking at it from now, and having heard many of the later CD's before having heard PATGOD, I think the newer style is better. Barrett was an amazing lyricist though, the lyrics are just so different.

[Kingofdudes]

Lets talk about the barrett years*

Year* if you dont include any time before PATGOD and his one song on Saucer full of secrets


PATGOD is a pretty solid album, but I like his work on "The Madcap Laughs" more


CDs I bought today

Meddle
The Final Cut
Obscured by clouds

[Raijo]

On the topic of who sings what: anyone know for sure who sings in Shine On You Crazy Diamond (part 1 and 2)?

[DeusExMachina]

I need OBC. I have almost all their albums, but my library is somewhat lacking when it comes to the really early ones.

[CrazyDiamond725]

Anyone figure out what they're saying in Ummagumma its kind of sounds like "come back to me"? The track it called "Several Small Species..."

[DeusExMachina]

On the topic of who sings what: anyone know for sure who sings in Shine On You Crazy Diamond (part 1 and 2)?

Waters.

[Raijo]

That's what I thought but the FA claimed that Gilmour sang on it so I got confused.

[lunch998]

I need OBC. I have almost all their albums, but my library is somewhat lacking when it comes to the really early ones.

OBC was released in 1972(I'm just saying this because in your post in sounds like you said it was a really early Floyd album.) It is awesome though, really overlooked.

[Kingofdudes]

I need OBC. I have almost all their albums, but my library is somewhat lacking when it comes to the really early ones.

Same with me, all I need A Momentary Lapse of Reason, Ummagumma, PATGOD, Atom Heart Mother, and More(the soundtrack)(if you count that as a floyd album)

[DeusExMachina]

OBC was released in 1972(I'm just saying this because in your post in sounds like you said it was a really early Floyd album.) It is awesome though, really overlooked.

/me feels stupid

I have every studio album from Meddle on (except Echoes, because I refuse to get a greatest hits) I don't have DSOT, but I do have The Wall Live and PULSE. I also have PATGOD and AHM, but I'm lacking the others.

[Kingofdudes]

They really should release a DVD of a live Wall performance :(

[magicbus]

I have Ummagumma, Animals, DSOTM, WYWH, The Wall, Meddle, and PATGOD. I plan on getting OBC or Pulse next. I haven't got into the later stuff yet, after The Wall, so you guys might want to clue me in on that?

[Kingofdudes]

I have Ummagumma, Animals, DSOTM, WYWH, The Wall, Meddle, and PATGOD. I plan on getting OBC or Pulse next. I haven't got into the later stuff yet, after The Wall, so you guys might want to clue me in on that?
The Division Bell is excellent musically, but is weaker lyrically. But is still a great album. Im not too sure about Momentary Lapse of Reason.

[DeusExMachina]

I have Ummagumma, Animals, DSOTM, WYWH, The Wall, Meddle, and PATGOD. I plan on getting OBC or Pulse next. I haven't got into the later stuff yet, after The Wall, so you guys might want to clue me in on that?

The Final Cut - Not too great, but I would suggest buying it, because it has a couple real gems in it. Namely, The Gunners Dream (the sax solo and the lead in to it are orgasm inducing)

AMLOR - A step up from The Final Cut, but a little poppy. Still a good buy, I recommend it, but not the greatest release.

The Division Bell - Great album. I highly recommend buying this one.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

When this part comes on, everything in the world is good and right.

:upset: The version of echoes I have is only 16 something minutes long. Stupid greatest hits albums always abridging awesome songs. :rolleyes:

[DeusExMachina]

Blegh. I have a moral opposition to Echoes. I think the idea of a Pink Floyd greatest hits is just wrong.

[magicbus]

Me too. It just doesn't seem right.

[Kingofdudes]

Blegh. I have a moral opposition to Echoes. I think the idea of a Pink Floyd greatest hits is just wrong.

tr00 :smash:

I may consider getting Relics though, I heard it has some unlreleased tracks on it.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Blegh. I have a moral opposition to Echoes. I think the idea of a Pink Floyd greatest hits is just wrong.

I personally think it's good for me, because I don't have much Floyd material, but I'm really into them of course, so Echoes was a good way for me to find out what era of their stuff I liked, and which purchases for me to make next. But yes, the song echoes is only 16 minutes long on there. I got hosed. :upset:

[Raijo]

I read an interesting quote recently where Dave Gilmour said "I've been in The Who, I've been in The Beatles and I've been in Pink Floyd! Top that, mother****er!" I'm curious about this quote. When was Gilmour in The Beatles and The Who? How did this happen? Was he a guest musician for them or a session guitarist or something? Anyone know?

[Riva]

Blegh. I have a moral opposition to Echoes. I think the idea of a Pink Floyd greatest hits is just wrong.

It's like getting a book featuring the best chapters out of other books. They might be well-written, but you're missing the big picture.

[RNR]

Blegh. I have a moral opposition to Echoes. I think the idea of a Pink Floyd greatest hits is just wrong.

Agreed. Echoes is for Dark Side Of The Moon T-Shirt whores. Just the band's best songs all thrown together.

The only way to listen to Floyd is an entire original album at a time., I says.

[delicate_sound_of_thunder]

i have the wall, amlor, meddle, animals, wywh, obc, more, dsotm, the division bell, and echoes. my next one will probably be one of the live ones.
But anyways, about echoes, i think its a good cd to get some1 aquainted with the style of pink floyd. thats what i heard first from them and thats what got me into floyd.

[DeusExMachina]

I read an interesting quote recently where Dave Gilmour said "I've been in The Who, I've been in The Beatles and I've been in Pink Floyd! Top that, mother****er!" I'm curious about this quote. When was Gilmour in The Beatles and The Who? How did this happen? Was he a guest musician for them or a session guitarist or something? Anyone know?

He played with McCartney after The Beatles broke up, he might have appeared briefly on one of their albums, but I don't think he did. As for The Who, he played for them live, and he played lead guitar for Pete Townshend when he was on tour with his solo act. Gilmour is also the only person other than Townshend to have penned a song on a Townshend solo album. That sounds like a very un-Gilmour thing to say though. He always came off as rather modest. Well, just goes to show when a woman's on her back the meter's always running... /me just watched SNL recently.

Edit: Oh, and Riva, I'd rep you for that book analogy, but I already repped you for making that poll.

[appreciate_it]

What year was this? (who with townshends solo?)

[Kingofdudes]

He played with McCartney after The Beatles broke up, he might have appeared briefly on one of their albums, but I don't think he did. As for The Who, he played for them live, and he played lead guitar for Pete Townshend when he was on tour with his solo act. Gilmour is also the only person other than Townshend to have penned a song on a Townshend solo album. That sounds like a very un-Gilmour thing to say though. He always came off as rather modest. Well, just goes to show when a woman's on her back the meter's always running... /me just watched SNL recently.

Edit: Oh, and Riva, I'd rep you for that book analogy, but I already repped you for making that poll.

Townshend also helped out with Dave's solo album "About Face"

[DeusExMachina]

Really? I know that Dave asked Townshend to write lyrics for a song of his, but he ended up not putting the song in his album. Those lyrics and that song ended up on Townshend's solo album White City, as White City Fighting. And, to appreciate it, Dave played with McCartney and Townshend in the 80's.

[IAJP]

I have relics,
If anyone wants any information on it.
/can't be bothered quoting

[Kingofdudes]

All Lovers Are Deranged (Gilmour/Townshend)

I love that song :)

[DeusExMachina]

What is that song from? I don't recognize the name...

[Kingofdudes]

About Face

[DeusExMachina]

I need to get that album. I have none of Gilmour's solo albums :upset:

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I need to get that album. I have none of Gilmour's solo albums :upset:

How are his solo releases compared to Pink Floyd? I know they are probably not as good as Floyd, but how do the styles differ?

[lunch998]

tr00 :smash:

I may consider getting Relics though, I heard it has some unlreleased tracks on it.

I think Relics can be exempt from the general idea that greatest hits suck.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I have an idea. Let's forget about Echoes, their greatest hits albums and name Dark Side of the Moon the Pink Floyd unofficial greatest hits album. :D

[RNR]

I have an idea. Let's forget about Echoes, their greatest hits albums and name Dark Side of the Moon the Pink Floyd unofficial greatest hits album. :D

Lets not.

[lunch998]

Lets not.

Agreed.

[lunch998]

The Guitar part at the end of Sheep is so cool. Not that Gilmour needed another reason why he is awesome, but that is one.

[DeusExMachina]

Yeah, Sheep is awesome. I haven't gotten too much into Animals as a whole though. I just don't find it that amazing. Eh, I'll give it another chance *puts Animals into CD player*

[Kingofdudes]

I have sorta lost my interest in Animals, and I have started to love WYWH more lately.

[DeusExMachina]

That is because WYWH > Animals.

[hypocracy hater]

And

PATGOD > All

[Otherside]

Animals is only great when you have a chance to listen to the whole thing through. Then it's a ****ing brilliant album

[RNR]

And

PATGOD > All

Ae you sure about htat? No doubt it's good but does it really beat The Wall, Animals, Wish You Were here, Meddle, Dark Side of The Moon...?

[Otherside]

Of course favoritism is completly realitve, someones favorite album could be Final Cut, simply because that's the album that appeals to them most. WYWH and Animals are my favorites.

[DeusExMachina]

My favorites are probably WYWH and DSOTM, cliche as it may be. Of course, they're all so good its hard to name one as a favorite.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Of course favoritism is completly realitve, someones favorite album could be Final Cut, simply because that's the album that appeals to them most. WYWH and Animals are my favorites.

Wish You Were Here? No way! *looks at user title*

I must say that DSotM is my favorite. How trendy :rolleyes:

Today I was thinking of how specific classic rock bands influenced more modern music, and I really couldn't put my finger on any modern band other than Radiohead. Do you guys have any ideas? I realize that there must be many, but I went snowboarding today and my head is throbbing, so I didn't try very hard.

[lunch998]

My favorite is probably Animals.

[Johnny B. Good]

Piper at the gates of dawn

[DeusExMachina]

Wish You Were Here? No way! *looks at user title*

I must say that DSotM is my favorite. How trendy :rolleyes:

Today I was thinking of how specific classic rock bands influenced more modern music, and I really couldn't put my finger on any modern band other than Radiohead. Do you guys have any ideas? I realize that there must be many, but I went snowboarding today and my head is throbbing, so I didn't try very hard.

I don't listen to too much Tool, but I've been told they're pretty heavily influenced by Pink Floyd. Something about a certain part of The Grudge which is identical to a part of SOYCD.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I don't listen to too much Tool, but I've been told they're pretty heavily influenced by Pink Floyd. Something about a certain part of The Grudge which is identical to a part of SOYCD.

Oh yeah, I think they did a cover of Comfortably numb as well. It might not have been Comfortably Numb, but I do think they covered a Pink Floyd song.

EDIT: To guy below me, so do Dream Theater.

[Johnny B. Good]

Scissor Sisters do a cover of Comfortably numb

[DeusExMachina]

Scissor Sisters should rot.

[Riva]

Tool have done covers of both Comfortably Numb and Wish You Were Here live, I believe.

[hypocracy hater]

Scissor Sisters should rot.

They should, they have ****ed it up beyond repair.

[hypocracy hater]

I know they've covered Comfortably Numb, but I don't know about WYWH...with who Floyd influenced from current bands, I can't think of that many either. Tool, Dream Theater and Radiohead, to varying degrees are possible, because of some prog influences, as well as, in the case of Radiohead, the same "space" sound, but there's no-one who you can really look at as a modern day Pink Floyd in my opinion.

They are an Original. Like Syd.

[DeusExMachina]

Yeah, it's interesting. Some classic rock bands have been cloned to death (Zeppelin, anybody?) But no one has really been able to do the Pink Floyd sound.

[magicbus]

I don't listen to too much Tool, but I've been told they're pretty heavily influenced by Pink Floyd. Something about a certain part of The Grudge which is identical to a part of SOYCD.

The little keyboard thingy on SOYCD 1-5 at about 1:17 is what's at the end of The Grudge. I'd heard it on the Tool song first, so when I listened to SOYCD and recognized it I got all excited. :p

They've used other Pink Floyd "riffs" in their songs, but at the moment I can't remember where. Floyd was a huge influence to Tool. I guess they loved em.

[hypocracy hater]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6186230

I created a Syd Barrett thread.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I realize I've asked this before but does anyone know who did the cover of WYWH with the vocalist from Radiohead? I know he sings it, but it's not Radiohead doing the insturmentals. I'd say it's probably the best Floyd cover I've heard.

On a side note...*learns "Breathe in the Air"*

[DeusExMachina]

Hahaha. Syd Barrett was a funny guy.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forum...t.php?p=6186230

I created a Syd Barrett thread.

Wow, I never realized how awesome your avatar is! What was the point of the thread though?

[DeusExMachina]

I realize I've asked this before but does anyone know who did the cover of WYWH with the vocalist from Radiohead? I know he sings it, but it's not Radiohead doing the insturmentals. I'd say it's probably the best Floyd cover I've heard.

On a side note...*learns "Breathe in the Air"*

No clue, but Breathe is awesome. The chord progression is classic.

[magicbus]

I love the slide too.

[hypocracy hater]

Wow, I never realized how awesome your avatar is! What was the point of the thread though?

to discuss the greatness of syd barrett

[DeusExMachina]

Wouldn't that sound kind of crappy, if it was recorded over the phone?

[Riva]

Well, I know a lot of famous actors record animation voice-overs from their own home sometimes. I think if you get a dedicated line, without interference, it works well.

[magicbus]

Well, I know a lot of famous actors record animation voice-overs from their own home sometimes. I think if you get a dedicated line, without interference, it works well.

They did that in one of the Shrek movies. Two of the main actors (I forget who) were never in the same room together, yet they had plenty of conversations.

[DeusExMachina]

I guess. I dunno, phone lines always just seem staticy to me.

[mordredozzy124]

I have Wish You Were Here, The Wall, DSOTM, A Momentery Lapse of Reason, Meddle, Animals, The Division Bell, and A Sauceful of Secrets... Soo my question is which one should I get next? I was thinking A Piper at the Gates of Dawn, to hear more Syd Barret, but what is your guy's advice?

[guitrguy]

Why not, I'm sure you'll end up getting it eventually.

[DeusExMachina]

Yeah, I'd say go with PATGOD.

[guitrguy]

Yeah, I'd say go with PATGOD.
Congrats on the stars Deus.

[guitrguy]

PATGOD reminds me of The Doors.

[Broken Arrow]

PATGOD reminds me of The Doors.
Some of the music does.....I guess.

[DeusExMachina]

Congrats on the stars Deus.

Thank you very much. Whats the difference between having 3 and 4?

I can sort of see the Doors/PATGOD connection, but The Doors are much more keyboard heavy, if I remember PATGOD well.

[Broken Arrow]

I dont know what the difference between 3 and 4 is?

[guitrguy]

Thank you very much. Whats the difference between having 3 and 4?

I can sort of see the Doors/PATGOD connection, but The Doors are much more keyboard heavy, if I remember PATGOD well.
Thats why its reminds me of them, Its not the same but lyrically and somewhat musically they are similar.
You have 3 stars until you reach 1.5k posts.

[DeusExMachina]

Ahh... got it. Yeah, they are pretty similar.

[Broken Arrow]

Thats why its reminds me of them, Its not the same but lyrically and somewhat musically they are similar.
You have 3 stars until you reach 1.5k posts.
Oh.

Yeah I'm still not sure about the relation between the Doors and PATGOD

[guitrguy]

Listen for yourself. (if you can)

[Broken Arrow]

Listen for yourself. (if you can)
Of course I can. I some of the songs. Insteller Overdrive is in a class of it's own though.

[guitrguy]

Im not saying its the same or direct. Just the sound reminds me of The Doors.

[Broken Arrow]

Im not saying its the same or direct. Just the sound reminds me of The Doors.
Fair enough.

[CarRamRod]

yo have any of you guys seen the syd barret dvd, idk how old it is but its like a biograpy of his life. Its really good, get it, even if you dont like him. It has GREAT concert footage with him and the rest of pink floyd

[lunch998]

yo have any of you guys seen the syd barret dvd, idk how old it is but its like a biograpy of his life. Its really good, get it, even if you dont like him. It has GREAT concert footage with him and the rest of pink floyd

Unfortunately I have only heard about it, but want to get my hands on it eventually. Sounds good.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I can sort of see the Doors/PATGOD connection, but The Doors are much more keyboard heavy, if I remember PATGOD well.

I knew Pink Floyd's stuff with Syd Barret reminded me of something, and sure enough, it is the doors. I think it must be Barret's voice that reminds me of The Doors.

[retard_robbie]

i love pink floyd - they make up 3 of the 6 uncopied albums i own, and i listen to tributes live whenever i can. i just want to say that i heard the scissor sisters version of comfortably numb on some chart programme at 3am, and i was disgusted (in a similar way to when i heard the scooter version of the logical song). at 9am i then had an argument with someone in my band over which song was actually better (as if there was anything to argue about). the original pink floyd version rocks, and i love pink floyd lyrics. it was great when i first understood the deep depressing meanings of the songs, cos i started listening to them early on.

i also heard pink floyd sued the bloodhound gang for the lyrics "just another d**k with no balls" (no its not duck with no balls). i thought that was a bit miserable of them - cant they take a joke? i found that song quite funny...

[Modestbob]

also heard pink floyd sued the bloodhound gang for the lyrics "just another d**k with no balls" (no its not duck with no balls). i thought that was a bit miserable of them - cant they take a joke? i found that song quite funny...

i would have sued them if i was floyd too, Bloodhound gang are idots.

[guitarded_chuck]

I don't really think Barrett's work remind me of anything else. It's quite original. Lyrically anyway. If anything, it kind of sounds like some Beatles stuff. PATGOD reminds me of Sgt. Pepper's/Magical Mystery Tour. MMT came out quite awhile after it though.

[guitrguy]

PATGOD came the same year as SGT. Pepper. Both are psychadelic which would explain why they sound the same.

[guitarded_chuck]

They were recorded at the same time, in the same place. Abbey Road. The two bands hung out somewhat at the time, but the Beatles were obviously huge at the time, while Pink Floyd were a little known band with potential. I have honestly heard a story of the two smoking a joint outside on Abbey Road one day. That conversation must have been interesting. :D

[DeusExMachina]

Yeah, that would be a fun conversation to watch. And to retard robbie, I would sue them too. Bloodhound Gang are just obnoxious.

[Mister_Che]

Yeah, that would be a fun conversation to watch. And to retard robbie, I would sue them too. Bloodhound Gang are just obnoxious.

Sorry to get off topic, but Deusexmachina, did you get your screen name from Deus-ex the game or ExMachina the comic book?

[DeusExMachina]

Sorry to get off topic, but Deusexmachina, did you get your screen name from Deus-ex the game or ExMachina the comic book?

Neither. I got it from being a geek who likes Greek plays and philosophy.

[Mister_Che]

Neither. I got it from being a geek who likes Greek plays and philosophy.

Blast! Your name is the contraption that lowers people onto the stage as if they were flying, though I'm sure your friend told you that already.

[DeusExMachina]

My friend...? Yeah, it flies in and saves people. But more than that, it represents divine intervention, or "The Machine of the Gods."

[magicbus]

Don't worry Deus, I love Greek mythology too. We're reading the Iliad right now in Lit and Comp, but next semester I'm taking a Mythology class.

[namesareoverrated]

Worst use of Deus Ex Machina ever: Sir Walter Scott's Ivanhoe

anyway, I've always kinda looked at Pink Floyd as a potentially good band gone terribly wrong. They almost remind me of the Velvet Underground, and "Bike" is the most unintentionally funny song I have ever heard. Nothing after PATGOD, however, was at all interesting to me. In all fairness though, they're probably the most creative re-writers in all of popular music. Their songs are so varied musically, and yet they all sound the same.

[Johnny B. Good]

My friend...? Yeah, it flies in and saves people. But more than that, it represents divine intervention, or "The Machine of the Gods."
I thought in meant "God from Machine"

[appreciate_it]

you are only coming through in waves.

[Xanadu_16_2112]

No One has mentioned Echoes, it is haunting and expresses Syd Barrett at his best.
I Really like Animals and Wish You Were Here as Albums though.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Neither. I got it from being a geek who likes Greek plays and philosophy.

I've always wondered about your name.

Today I got the Division Bell from a friend of mine. You were right, Deus, it's wayyy better than Momentary Lapse of Reason. Keep Talking is awesome. Any song with Steven Hawking in it would be awesome.

as for Greek mythology, last year in my english class, we spent a quarter on Greek Mythology. Me and a couple of my buddies had to do a 5 minute skit on Oedipus, the amazing son of his wife Sphinx slayer. Yes, he married his wife, did her, and concieved a daughter/sister. :confused: Gross.

[Riva]

Worst use of Deus Ex Machina ever: Sir Walter Scott's Ivanhoe

anyway, I've always kinda looked at Pink Floyd as a potentially good band gone terribly wrong. They almost remind me of the Velvet Underground, and "Bike" is the most unintentionally funny song I have ever heard. Nothing after PATGOD, however, was at all interesting to me. In all fairness though, they're probably the most creative re-writers in all of popular music. Their songs are so varied musically, and yet they all sound the same.

how do they sound the same, if they are musically various? I question your logic.

[Kingofdudes]

No One has mentioned Echoes, it is haunting and expresses Syd Barrett at his best.
I Really like Animals and Wish You Were Here as Albums though.

We have talked about it, and Syd didnt write it...

[IAJP]

I've been listening to insane amounts of Animals latley, t'is now one of my favouirte Pink Floyd albums, if not the best.

[guitrguy]

how do they sound the same, if they are musically various? I question your logic.
He has no logic to question. He just another kid that thinks its cool to hate a proven band.

[IAJP]

Truth.

[hypocracy hater]

No One has mentioned Echoes, it is haunting and expresses Syd Barrett at his best.
I Really like Animals and Wish You Were Here as Albums though.

Syd Barrett left before Meddle.

[DeusExMachina]

Don't worry Deus, I love Greek mythology too. We're reading the Iliad right now in Lit and Comp, but next semester I'm taking a Mythology class.

:thumb: Greek mythology owns.

To Kombucha Mushroom Mofo, Keep Talking is awesome. I love High Hopes and Coming Back To Life as well.

[Broken Arrow]

:thumb: Greek mythology owns.

To Kombucha Mushroom Mofo, Keep Talking is awesome. I love High Hopes and Coming Back To Life as well.
Keep Talking and High Hopes are the only non-Waters Floyd I've heard:(.I've also heard one with some acoustic finger picking but I forget the name of it.

[guitarded_chuck]

I'm a huge Floyd fan, but I don't care for much post-Animals. Even The Wall I have never really cared for since I first began listening to the band. I do enjoy the film though, and maybe a few songs. I think anything composed after that time can't even really be called Pink Floyd. It was either Waters or Gilmour. The real formula from the band that really made them so fun to listen to was Waters genius lyrics that made you think, and Gilmour's (and Mason and Wright too) ability to make the music enjoyable and entertaining.

[Riva]

That's why Momentary Lapse Of Reason id lacking somewhat. Because by then it was Gilmour pushing for everything himself.

[Johnny B. Good]

Yeah, I only like certain songs from the Wall the rest is just somewhat annoying

[DeusExMachina]

Well, maybe it's because it was the first album by them I ever heard, but I'm a big fan of The Wall. It's what got me into Pink Floyd.

[Johnny B. Good]

I prefer PATGOD

[guitarded_chuck]

The Wall got me into Pink Floyd too. Actually, in a guitar magazine I get in the mail there was an article on the band, and a Comfortably Numb guitar tab. I learned the song, and I was hooked. But now that I have heard all the albums and know the band better, I don't like it as much compared to the others. Still an impressive concept album though, and like I said I like the film too.
On song post-Wall that I really enjoy is On The Turning Away from The Division Bell.

[Kingofdudes]

Some interesting quotes about "A Momentary lapse of Reason"

"Both Nick and Rick were catatonic in terms of their playing ability at the beginning. Neither of them played on this at all really. In my view, they'd been destroyed by Roger. Nick played a few tom-toms on one track, but for the rest I had to get in other drummers. Rick played some tiny little parts. For a lot of it, I played the keyboards and pretended it was him. The record was basically made by me, and other people and God knows what. I didn't think it was the best Pink Floyd album ever made, but I gave it the best **** shot I could."

"Dave was under a lot of pressure to come up with songs and he looked for help where he could find it. It was fun recording on the boat (Gilmour's floating studio at Hampton-on-Thames) but then we went to America and hired all these sessions musicians who could knock things off quickly. At the time it seemed like a reasonable route to go but that was quite alarming for me."

"I wasn't a member of the band. By now they didn't know me. We hadn't played together for years. I was paid a wage on the sessions. I did get royalties on the album. Not as many as Dave and Nick though.

[Gossamer175]

I think AMLOR is a pretty solid album. On the Turning Away and Learning to Fly are probably the best songs on the album.

[DeusExMachina]

Excellent quotes, Gilmour. Really shed some interesting light on what it was like during the recording.

[lunch998]

Nick Mason got shafted.

[guitrguy]

Nick isn't exactly the most creative musician ever.

[lunch998]

Nick isn't exactly the most creative musician ever.

Yea but after all that time with the band, I think he deserved his spot.

[Modestbob]

Nick isn't exactly the most creative musician ever.

he is a ok drummer, i wouldnt pick anybody else to play drums for Floyd.

[guitrguy]

Yea but after all that time with the band, I think he deserved his spot.
True. It sounded like they where in too much of a hurry.

[DeusExMachina]

Everyone was in a disarray during AMLOR except Gilmour. I can understand why Mason and Wright were so out of the loop, especially considering they basically hadn't played their instruments at all since The Final Cut for Mason, and The Wall for Wright.

[guitarded_chuck]

I think Mason is perfect for his posistion. His graceful style fits the Floyd great. He has some really good songs too. Watch 'One Of These Days' on Pompeii and you'll see what I mean.

He is also the only member to have been in the band since underground '67 untill the present. His new novel is a great read. I think all you guys in here would like it.

[DeusExMachina]

Yeah, I like Mason. I really want the book.

[Johnny B. Good]

Didn't Mason write some songs too that were big for Floyd?

[Riva]

Um... Mason helped write Time and One Of These Days.

He also sings the lines to One Of These Days.

[Kingofdudes]

One of these days is awesome, especially on Pompeii. I laughed when I first saw it and he dropped one of his stick while playing :lol:

[Gossamer175]

I have to see Pompeii, i'm always hearing good things about it. Though i could have swore they did it before Meddle came around.

[Madcap.]

Nick lives near me. I might pay him a visit sometime.

[Sam]

You Should.

[magicbus]

I think Mason is perfect for his posistion. His graceful style fits the Floyd great. He has some really good songs too. Watch 'One Of These Days' on Pompeii and you'll see what I mean.

After watching him on Pompeii I really gained a lot of respect for him. He's actually pretty funny, and he does a lot of interviews. He's also a really good drummer. I'd never paid attention to the drums in Floyd, but they fit very well with him. Until now I thought he was just shy and never did anything.

[DeusExMachina]

Nick lives near me. I might pay him a visit sometime.

You should get him to sign something valuable, and give it to me. Living near Nick would be awesome.

[Riva]

Indeed it would. And he's the kind of guy (I assume) who wouldn't mind signing something either.

Now, living near to Roger Waters would be both extremely cool and extremely boring.

[Broken Arrow]

Mason also did "Speak to Me" didn't he?

[magicbus]

He didn't really. They just decided to give it to him because he didn't really write anything. This way he got some of the credit for a part of the album. Waters wasn't too happy with this, as told in a later interview.

[Riva]

He did contribute to the drum tracks though.

[Broken Arrow]

He didn't really. They just decided to give it to him because he didn't really write anything. This way he got some of the credit for a part of the album. Waters wasn't too happy with this, as told in a later interview.
Thanks for clearing that up.:)

[thelizardkingcc]

One of these days is awesome, especially on Pompeii. I laughed when I first saw it and he dropped one of his stick while playing :lol:

he looks stoned as **** during that song. he also drops a stick during echoes part 1 on the LAP DVD. he really is a good drummer though, and supposedly was as big of a perfectionist as Waters (or almost,) which was good, because he put in the time and effort to learn and write great drum tracks for long *** complicated songs. IF floyd had a drummer that was really good, but played harder, like even Bonham, they would have been a worse band. MAson's style is pretty unique, and went absolutely perfectly with the music.

[Johnny B. Good]

He didn't really. They just decided to give it to him because he didn't really write anything. This way he got some of the credit for a part of the album. Waters wasn't too happy with this, as told in a later interview.
That's cause Waters is somewhat of a dick

[DeusExMachina]

That's cause Waters is somewhat of a dick

Yeah. He definitely is. If you read his bio on his website, its ****ing ridiculous. It's like "after Roger Waters left Pink Floyd, Pink Floyd started sucking, clear proof that Roger Waters was the only musical genius in the group."

[Sandtrap]

dont get me wrong im not trying to roast any of you in this thread or pink floyd of anything. but is it just me or doess pink floyd sound like they could be sitting down playing there music, while on the other hand someone like Metallica you know is having a great time with it!

The only music from pink floyd that I really like was 'wish you were hear' but thats it and it may just be me. I never found out how 'the dark side of the moon' was so popular.

[Broken Arrow]

Yeah. He definitely is. If you read his bio on his website, its ****ing ridiculous. It's like "after Roger Waters left Pink Floyd, Pink Floyd started sucking, clear proof that Roger Waters was the only musical genius in the group."
Is it a bad thing to like Roger?

Because I do :upset: .

[Sam]

People in bands are dicks, thats just how it is. I recently found out J Mascis is a dick, but I still like Dinosaur Jr. You just gotta rise above it, get some rehab, and you'll be good as new.

[guitrguy]

People in bands are dicks, thats just how it is. I recently found out J Mascis is a dick, but I still like Dinosaur Jr. You just gotta rise above it, get some rehab, and you'll be good as new.
Then your music sucks, being an asshole is pretty much required to make good music.

[Sam]

Huh?

[Johnny B. Good]

Then your music sucks, being an asshole is pretty much required to make good music.
Bono i think writes good music and is nice. but generally speaking I think you're right, look at all the Beatles who wrote music. In some way, shape, or form they thought they were better than everyone else

[JH LU KH RT]

What are you guys talking about. Honestly. There are plenty of nice musicians out there.

[thickasabrick]

i noticed the same high pitched screeching/squealing sound that's in the middle of Echoes is also very played very quietly at the start of Is Anybody Out There.

does anyone know what they are using to make that sound?

[DeusExMachina]

I don't know what people are talking about how only assholes are good musicians. I disagree with that statement completely. Gilmour is a nice guy. And, to the person who said the Beatles "thought they were better than everyone else," that doesn't make them assholes. You'd think you were better than everyone else too if you were as big as they were. Livewired, nothing wrong with liking Roger, I just personally find his personality very dislikable.

Thickasabrick, I've never tried to get that sound specifically, but I know if you do set the guitar to the bridge pick-up and do some slide really high up, you can get a screechy/squealy noise. I'm sure if you layered a couple effects into it, you could definitely get a very Echoes-esque sound.

[guitarded_chuck]

I don't know what people are talking about how only assholes are good musicians. I disagree with that statement completely. Gilmour is a nice guy. And, to the person who said the Beatles "thought they were better than everyone else," that doesn't make them assholes. You'd think you were better than everyone else too if you were as big as they were. Livewired, nothing wrong with liking Roger, I just personally find his personality very dislikable.
Yea. When you say that musicians have to be assholes to be good, you sound like some hardcore, pissed off, metalhead or something. The other three members of Pink Floyd are nice, I think. I guess Rick could be selfish sometimes, but not as bad as Roger.

[magicbus]

i noticed the same high pitched screeching/squealing sound that's in the middle of Echoes is also very played very quietly at the start of Is Anybody Out There.

does anyone know what they are using to make that sound?

I'm not sure what it is. They also do it on Several Furry Creatures (or whatever its called, that song after Granchester Meadows on Ummagumma), and make it sound like squirrels and chipmunks are making the noise. I heard it first there, then on Echoes, and also in a few other songs. I always thought it was someone making noises, then they sped the tape up, but I don't think that's it. I watched for it on Pompeii, but you can't really tell how they do it. I'll have to look into it.


AND, I like "Waters until The Wall was done" Waters. After that he was kinda jackass. Kinda like how I like Michael Jackson during the Thriller era, but not after that. :p

But I think he's pretty cool on Pompeii. Too bad he turned ghey.

[magicbus]

I found that interview, so I thought I'd post this thing I was talking about.

Guitar World: Was Dark Side of the Moon your baby?

Waters: It was. This album is my baby. In terms of what the records were about, they were my ideas and I wrote them. Dave [Gilmour] particularly, but Rick as well, had major, important contributions.

Guitar World: By all accounts, you feel that you were too generous with the songwriting credits on the album.

Waters: I've regretted it rather a lot since, but I'm over that now. I went through many years when I really regretted having given away half the writing credits, particularly [Nick Mason's solo credit for] "Speak to Me." I gave it to him. Nobody else had anything to do with it at all.

Guitar World: Dave Gilmour has previously said he didn't contribute as fully as he could have to the songwriting process; he was a bit lazy.

Waters: Dave likes to think that his lack of contributio has to do with laziness.

Then he talks about how he's a great guitar player, but isn't really a writer.

[Kingofdudes]

dont get me wrong im not trying to roast any of you in this thread or pink floyd of anything. but is it just me or doess pink floyd sound like they could be sitting down playing there music, while on the other hand someone like Metallica you know is having a great time with it!

Yep trying to play your music on stage the best you can means you arent having a good time. :rolleyes:

Besides have you read about their tour for "The Wall"?

Pink Floyd's Wall Tour was one of their most spectacular yet: 45 tons of equipment, 106 decibels of quadraphobic sound, a bomber plane, inflatables, Gerald Scarfe's monsterous puppets, a fake Pink Foyd band in masks and 340 bricks erected by concealed hydraulic lifts onto a 160x35 foot wall
I'd like to see them pull that off sitting down.


Metallica havent always been having a "great time", remember their group therapy?


Looks are deceiving.

[DeusExMachina]

I found that interview, so I thought I'd post this thing I was talking about.

Guitar World: Was Dark Side of the Moon your baby?

Waters: It was. This album is my baby. In terms of what the records were about, they were my ideas and I wrote them. Dave [Gilmour] particularly, but Rick as well, had major, important contributions.

Guitar World: By all accounts, you feel that you were too generous with the songwriting credits on the album.

Waters: I've regretted it rather a lot since, but I'm over that now. I went through many years when I really regretted having given away half the writing credits, particularly [Nick Mason's solo credit for] "Speak to Me." I gave it to him. Nobody else had anything to do with it at all.

Guitar World: Dave Gilmour has previously said he didn't contribute as fully as he could have to the songwriting process; he was a bit lazy.

Waters: Dave likes to think that his lack of contributio has to do with laziness.

Then he talks about how he's a great guitar player, but isn't really a writer.

Grr... That bothers me. I wish he wouldn't be so arrogant, because he really was such an amazingly talented musician.

[Raijo]

Grr... That bothers me. I wish he wouldn't be so arrogant, because he really was such an amazingly talented musician.
Is he really though? I like Waters, find him to be a brilliant song writer but as far as being a musician goes he wasn't the greatest bass player. In one interview Dave Gilmour said that Waters had developed a relatively simple style of playing and was never all that interested in improving himself as a bass player. Apparently about half the songs on their albums would have Gilmour playing bass because he could do it faster. Gilmour strikes me as the one really exception musician in the group whereas Waters is probably the better song writer.

[magicbus]

He doesn't really need to be an amazing player though, his bass work fits so well with all the songs. Most of their songs are slower, so there wouldn't really be a reason for him play any faster or improve on his style. Plus I think Deus was refering to his writing ability, but good point anyways.

[DeusExMachina]

Is he really though? I like Waters, find him to be a brilliant song writer but as far as being a musician goes he wasn't the greatest bass player. In one interview Dave Gilmour said that Waters had developed a relatively simple style of playing and was never all that interested in improving himself as a bass player. Apparently about half the songs on their albums would have Gilmour playing bass because he could do it faster. Gilmour strikes me as the one really exception musician in the group whereas Waters is probably the better song writer.

Agreed completely. Sorry for the confusion, when I said Waters was an amazing musician, I meant that in terms of writing, not performing or playing.

[Riva]

Hey! I was just informed by Bartender that Roger Waters and Eric Clapton played WYWH live for the appeal concert! I missed it. :upset:

Video, anyone?

[Kingofdudes]

WHAT?!?!??!?! :amaze:

[lunch998]

Hey! I was just informed by Bartender that Roger Waters and Eric Clapton played WYWH live for the appeal concert! I missed it. :upset:

Video, anyone?

Yea I heard they did, but by the time I read it in the CR thread I had missed it.

[Riva]

Bartender says that it was just two of 'em, playing acoustics. No drums, no keyboards...

[Johnny B. Good]

It was awesome. Eric played the acoustic solo so well!

[lunch998]

Curses, I missed it. Wish I had seen that.

[Woodstock]

I saw it, Eric played the solos and Roger "sang".

[Johnny B. Good]

yeah, Roger didn't sing to well did he.

[DeusExMachina]

Clapton and Waters also performed Across the Universe together at the concert for the 5 year anniversary of John Lennon's death. Just a little bit of trivia.

[PinkFloyd]

He doesn't really need to be an amazing player though, his bass work fits so well with all the songs. Most of their songs are slower, so there wouldn't really be a reason for him play any faster or improve on his style. Plus I think Deus was refering to his writing ability, but good point anyways.

If Waters was a virtuso bassist, I probably wouldn't like Pink Floyd any more or less. With songs that good, I could care less if the bass was elaborated on a bit more. Plus Waters wrote the bass for money. Has Gilmour ever written a riff so catchy/popular/sucessfull? NO! Therefor, Waters>Gilmour as a musician as well as songwritting!

[PinkFloyd]

The only reason why they showed Mason playing in Pompei is because they lost the other footage of the band and had nothing else.

Also, check out December's Guitar World mag. It has a rather extended interview with PF concerning the tensions juring The Wall and the POV of different band members.

One quote I don't agree with from Gilmour is how "Roger destroyed Nick and Rick as musicians". Personally that's just not possible. So, you got kicked out of a band in 1979/1980 and by 1987, because of that terrible ordeal, you're not able to come up with any keyboard parts for the album! Blame it on Roger! Seriously, that doesn't make anysense whatsoever. Wright hasn't put out anything worth while in over 25 years (last sparks of creativity probably off Animals) and all this is attributed to Roger kicking him out of Pink Floyd and being a "hardass". I fail to see how being kicked out of a band will automatically make you loose all sense of musical creativity, even decades after the fact.

[Kingofdudes]

If Waters was a virtuso bassist, I probably wouldn't like Pink Floyd any more or less. With songs that good, I could care less if the bass was elaborated on a bit more. Plus Waters wrote the bass for money. Has Gilmour ever written a riff so catchy/popular/sucessfull? NO! Therefor, Waters>Gilmour as a musician as well as songwritting!

ATBITW pt. 2 ? Rogers original idea for it would have just been some acoustic strumming. After Ezrin suggested to check out some disco clubs to David, David wrote that catchy as hell riff.

[Raijo]

ATBITW pt. 2 ? Rogers original idea for it would have just been some acoustic strumming. After Ezrin suggested to check out some disco clubs to David, David wrote that catchy as hell riff.I hate some acoustic strumming. It's probably one of the laziest techniques in rock music when somebody starts playing some acoustic riff with open chords that sound quite similar and occasionally accented chords. It makes for a generic dull sounding riff that simply doesn't interest me at all. See Pigs on the Wing and Mother for evidence of what I'm talking about. [/rant]

[Kingofdudes]

I hate some acoustic strumming. It's probably one of the laziest techniques in rock music when somebody starts playing some acoustic riff with open chords that sound quite similar and occasionally accented chords. It makes for a generic dull sounding riff that simply doesn't interest me at all. See Pigs on the Wing and Mother for evidence of what I'm talking about. [/rant]

I take it you arent a fan of Wish you Were Here.

[Raijo]

I take it you arent a fan of Wish you Were Here.
Wish You Were Here's great. I'm talking about a very specific style of acoustic playing that is incredibly bland but used alot. I actually think the way Gilmour plays in Wish You Were Here is quite interesting. The way Waters plays on Pigs on the Wing and Mother sounds tired and boring to my ears.

[magicbus]

If Waters was a virtuso bassist, I probably wouldn't like Pink Floyd any more or less. With songs that good, I could care less if the bass was elaborated on a bit more. Plus Waters wrote the bass for money. Has Gilmour ever written a riff so catchy/popular/sucessfull? NO! Therefor, Waters>Gilmour as a musician as well as songwritting!

The line you said right there is supporting your theory that's he's a better songwriter than Gilmour. Nothing you said in that paragraph supports that Waters is a better musician. Do you honestly think Waters could pull off Gilmour's guitar work? Hell no.

[DeusExMachina]

If Waters was a virtuso bassist, I probably wouldn't like Pink Floyd any more or less. With songs that good, I could care less if the bass was elaborated on a bit more. Plus Waters wrote the bass for money. Has Gilmour ever written a riff so catchy/popular/sucessfull? NO! Therefor, Waters>Gilmour as a musician as well as songwritting!

Gilmour is clearly a better musician. No where in there do you even come close to refuting that. His guitar playing is unbelievable. Also, Gilmour wrote the riff to ABITW pt. 2, which was a LOT more popular than Money. But, since I'm sure we all agree that popularity isn't the best test of a good song writer, how about Comfortably Numb? Not super popular in terms of air play or billboard charts or anything, but its bloody brilliant. Who wrote it, I wonder? Oh yeah, Gilmour.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Hey! I was just informed by Bartender that Roger Waters and Eric Clapton played WYWH live for the appeal concert! I missed it. :upset:

Video, anyone?

How recent was this?

[EADG]

i noticed the same high pitched screeching/squealing sound that's in the middle of Echoes is also very played very quietly at the start of Is Anybody Out There.

does anyone know what they are using to make that sound?


It's a wah plugged in backward with a rotating Leslie speaker.

[magicbus]

It's a wah plugged in backward with a rotating Leslie speaker.

So how would I go about making these sounds, granted I had the necessary effects?

[6Stringer]

I have just bought "Piper At the Gates of Dawn" this has quickly become my favorite Floyd album.

[DeusExMachina]

It's a wah plugged in backward with a rotating Leslie speaker.

How do you "plug a wah in backwards?" Like, if you plugged the input to output and output to input, wouldn't you just not get any noise?

Anyways, I don't know how that would work, but slide guitar with some effects super high up on the strings can simulate that kind of noise well enough. I can make R2D2 sounds with it!

[Psychedelic]

I have just bought "Piper At the Gates of Dawn" this has quickly become my favorite Floyd album.

Dude, i have respect for you, I think that was floyd at best. well, you know there is other albums, but you have to admit piper at the gates of dawn is totally deifferent. The only floyd album close to it is saucerful of secrets, and I'll go as far as dark side of the moon, for psychedelic aspects.
Oh yeah, Waters rocks. I mean, he did write the nile song, didn't he?

I love psychedelia

Syd Barrett is psychedelia.


Peace, and love.

[Kingofdudes]

A Saucerful of Secrets was merely PF trying to copy Syd.

[DeusExMachina]

Yeah, everything after PATGOD and before Meddle was PF trying to copy Syd. They didn't really find their own voice until they wrote Echoes.

[LedZeppelin173]

man i love dark side of the moon. its got that whole phyco-rock element thru it. david gilmour certainly knows how to solo for sure. waters is a brilliant songwriter too.

im listening to time right now. awesome song....

[6Stringer]

I wish pyschadelic drugs didn't get the best of ol' Syd otherwise PF could have been better than they were, IMO.

[Kingofdudes]

I wish pyschadelic drugs didn't get the best of ol' Syd otherwise PF could have been better than they were, IMO.

I beg to differ.

He never advanced as a musician or a songwriter, which is apparent with his solo albums. If he stayed at control of the steering wheel of Pink Floyd, they would have faded out with the rest of the late 60/early 70's Psychedelic Rock bands.

When Syd left the band, the band didnt know what to do. They were used to Syd coming up with all their material. But eventually after he left the group; Roger, Rick, Nick, and David were able to grow as musicians and songwriters, and eventually created their own masterpieces.

[6Stringer]

Hmmm.... Gilmour you bring up good points. I haven't heard anything from Syd's solo career. I should go give that a listen.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

How do you "plug a wah in backwards?" Like, if you plugged the input to output and output to input, wouldn't you just not get any noise?

Anyways, I don't know how that would work, but slide guitar with some effects super high up on the strings can simulate that kind of noise well enough. I can make R2D2 sounds with it!

If any of you guys are RATM fans, or just fans of Morello in general, he uses this same effect on his solo to "Sleep Now in the Fire." I think it is just the input into the output jack, and it sounds really wierd.

[DeusExMachina]

I beg to differ.

He never advanced as a musician or a songwriter, which is apparent with his solo albums. If he stayed at control of the steering wheel of Pink Floyd, they would have faded out with the rest of the late 60/early 70's Psychedelic Rock bands.

When Syd left the band, the band didnt know what to do. They were used to Syd coming up with all their material. But eventually after he left the group; Roger, Rick, Nick, and David were able to grow as musicians and songwriters, and eventually created their own masterpieces.

Agreed. Don't get me wrong, I love Barrett's work, but I've never understood why people think PATGOD is better than the later stuff.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Agreed. Don't get me wrong, I love Barrett's work, but I've never understood why people think PATGOD is better than the later stuff.

I've always wondered what was so great about rap and Metallica. It's just opinions.

[Kingofdudes]

I like Syd's work as well (it sounded like I was dissing his stuff :-/)

[DeusExMachina]

Well yeah, of course its just opinions, and I don't mean to sound like I know whats good music or anything, but just in my mind the later stuff was better than the earlier stuff in every way. I like the early stuff a lot, I just prefer the 70's material.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Check out my new avatar. It moves. :D

So, let's talk about the Division Bell..again. I'd say my favorite song would be either Keep Talking or High Hopes. I also find it ironic that in the song "Lost for Words" Gilmouir says ****.

[DeusExMachina]

That is a pretty snazzy avatar.

A Great Day for Freedom and Coming Back To Life are also great tracks from The Division Bell. A lot of people say that lyrically The Division Bell is lacking, but I think it's got some really good lyrics on some of the tracks.

[magicbus]

I got the classic albums DSOTM dvd, which is pretty cool. And I've been listening to Saucerful of Secrets and its really great. I really like the songs that Wright wrote, and how he sings on a lot of the cd. Now I love Gilmour's voice, but its cool to see Wright playing a larger part. His songs are really dreamy, and he's a great musician as well. I think I'll buy this cd next.

EDIT:

This is from the All Pink Floyd Fan Network, in response to those crazy noise you hear on Echoes.


The song "Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving With a Pict" was done all by Roger Waters himself. The weird sounds are obtained by playing human voices back at various speeds, whereas the drumming sounds are created by Water drumming with his hands on his body and a table (or something similar). A "pict" is a member of a possibly non-Celtic people who once occupied Great Britain, carried on continual border wars with the Romans, and about the ninth century became amalgamated with the Scots. There is are still discussions as far as what is said during the song.

[RNR]

Aparently there actually is going to be a floyd reunion soon. Rodger Waters even confirmed it. But I'm skepticle because I can't find a source. Can someone post one?

[Otherside]

Aparently there actually is going to be a floyd reunion soon. Rodger Waters even confirmed it. But I'm skepticle because I can't find a source. Can someone post one?


It wouldn't suprise me, they seem to have resolved their differences in the interview with the whole band in Guitar One. I was pretty suprised and was thinking if maybe they would do a reuinon concert.



In other news, I just picked up Meddle today and I'm pretty satisfied :thumb:

[magicbus]

It wouldn't suprise me, they seem to have resolved their differences in the interview with the whole band in Guitar One. I was pretty suprised and was thinking if maybe they would do a reuinon concert.



In other news, I just picked up Meddle today and I'm pretty satisfied :thumb:

Good choice. That was my first Floyd record, not cd, and I love it. One Of These Days has the sweetest intro ever (tied with Have A Cigar) and Echoes is brilliant.

In this interview, were Roger and Dave talking to each other? In my opinion, the fact that they haven't spoken in a long time is the only thing stopped the band from reunited. Roger's already on good terms with Nick.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Aparently there actually is going to be a floyd reunion soon. Rodger Waters even confirmed it. But I'm skepticle because I can't find a source. Can someone post one?

Where did you hear him say this, or who did you get it from? My praying to the music gods has finally done some good. :cool: I'll look for some type of confirmation on this however.

[Distant Echoes]

I will look into a floyd reunion until i have found every Floyd related site. Where did you hear that? That would make my life worth living, since half the bands i love are already dead...and floyd seems to be the only ones alive from them but refusing to tour. Sortta pisses me off, but then i listen to DSOTM and forgive them.

[Distant Echoes]

After several seconds of searching, heres a similar topic i found on Roger gigging soon or recently (i didnt read it yet, and i dont know when it happened or will happen)
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It has been brought up by several web pages on the internet that Roger Waters would be perfoming at an NBC charity event to raise funds for the 'American Red Cross' International Response Fund, which is involved in offering funds and support towards the recent tsunami tragedy.

According to the Brain Damage website, they have confirmed this information with Roger Waters' management office:

Without wishing to spoil any surprises, we can confirm that Roger will be performing a classic song from his back catalogue, with another big name performer. They are taping this prior to Saturday, so that it can be inserted into the show at a suitable juncture.

NBC Universal has teamed up with the American Red Cross for the telethon, which will encourage viewers to donate financial aid to the millions affected by the devastating natural disaster which occurred in Southern Asia on 26th December. Besides NBC and Pax, the special will also air on the USA Network, Sci-Fi Channel, Bravo, Trio, MSNBC, CNBC, and Telemundo.

For our friends in Europe, we now also have the great news that CNBC Europe will be broadcasting at the very least, an edited version of the show. CNBC Europe broadcast to most of Europe - to see if you will be able to view it, visit the Receiving CNBC page on their site, select your country, and the relevent reception details will appear. They are currently scheduling the show for broadcast at 01:00hrs GMT, and 19:00hrs GMT. We do not know yet if these two broadcast slots will have either an edit of the complete show, or each hold half of the show. We are currently speaking to CNBC Europe to find out for you.

Stars lined up for the show, apart from Waters, include Eric Clapton, Brian Wilson, Stevie Wonder, Diana Ross, Madonna, Norah Jones, Usher, Sarah McLachlan, Sheryl Crow, Mary J. Blige, Lenny Kravitz, John Mayer, Kenny Chesney, India.Arie, Tom Jones, Gloria Estefan, Halle Berry, Kevin Spacey, George Clooney, Danny DeVito, Michael Douglas and Catherine Zeta-Jones, Rhea Pearlman, Tim Robbins, Bruce Willis, Uma Thurman, Matt Damon, and Maroon 5. The show is scheduled to last two hours - which should be a squeeze to get all these guests on along with the fund-raising information. It is set to air live on the East Coast and via a tape delay in the West. Phone lines will remain open throughout the evening for donations, NBC Universal said.
Source: http://www.brain-damage.co.uk/news/0501123.html

[magicbus]

Yea him and Clapton played Wish You Were Here on Saturday night.

[Distant Echoes]

Ashame i missed that

Im still looking though, but i keep getting results from Q magazine, which is totally full of ****

[PinkFloyd]

Gilmour is clearly a better musician. No where in there do you even come close to refuting that. His guitar playing is unbelievable. Also, Gilmour wrote the riff to ABITW pt. 2, which was a LOT more popular than Money. But, since I'm sure we all agree that popularity isn't the best test of a good song writer, how about Comfortably Numb? Not super popular in terms of air play or billboard charts or anything, but its bloody brilliant. Who wrote it, I wonder? Oh yeah, Gilmour.

For smart guys, I laugh about how you all get worked up over sarcasm. Take note of the outrageous claims, and the exclamation marks after every sentence. You can tell that I was implying a sarcastic tone to my speech. That post was a joke, but not the post I made after concerning Wright. Anyways, if you really DO want to get all serious on me, Roger Waters does have songwritting credits on Comfortably Numb because he supplied the lyrics, and vocal melody. There's no doubt about that.

So to royally burn you: (All quotes refer to Comfortably Numb)

" What happened is Dave gave me a chord sequence, so if you want to fight about it, I could say that I wrote the melody and and the lyrics, obviously. I think in the choruses, he actually hummed a bit of the melody, but in the verses he certainly didn't. " Roger Waters

" He came back with this spoken-word verse and a lyric in the chorus that still stands out as one of the greatest ever written." Bob Enzin reffering to Waters.

" Things like "Comfortably Numb" are really the last embers of Roger and my ability to work collaboratively together." David Gilmour

Quotes 1 and 2 support that Waters wrote the lyrics and came up with AT LEAST the vocal melody to the verse of Comfortably Numb. Vocal Melody is music. Quote 3, explains how Comfortably Numb was a collaborative effort and not just "Gilmour's song" like you wrongfully claimed.

[Otherside]

Good choice. That was my first Floyd record, not cd, and I love it. One Of These Days has the sweetest intro ever (tied with Have A Cigar) and Echoes is brilliant.

In this interview, were Roger and Dave talking to each other? In my opinion, the fact that they haven't spoken in a long time is the only thing stopped the band from reunited. Roger's already on good terms with Nick.


Yah it was the whole band, which suprised me.

[Raijo]

For smart guys, I laugh about how you all get worked up over sarcasm. Take note of the outrageous claims, and the exclamation marks after every sentence. You can tell that I was implying a sarcastic tone to my speech. That post was a joke, but not the post I made after concerning Wright. Anyways, if you really DO want to get all serious on me, Roger Waters does have songwritting credits on Comfortably Numb because he supplied the lyrics, and vocal melody. There's no doubt about that.

So to royally burn you: (All quotes refer to Comfortably Numb)

" What happened is Dave gave me a chord sequence, so if you want to fight about it, I could say that I wrote the melody and and the lyrics, obviously. I think in the choruses, he actually hummed a bit of the melody, but in the verses he certainly didn't. " Roger Waters

" He came back with this spoken-word verse and a lyric in the chorus that still stands out as one of the greatest ever written." Bob Enzin reffering to Waters.

" Things like "Comfortably Numb" are really the last embers of Roger and my ability to work collaboratively together." David Gilmour

Quotes 1 and 2 support that Waters wrote the lyrics and came up with AT LEAST the vocal melody to the verse of Comfortably Numb. Vocal Melody is music. Quote 3, explains how Comfortably Numb was a collaborative effort and not just "Gilmour's song" like you wrongfully claimed.


Your post hardly seemed sarcastic. Keep in mind that this is the internet and we can't see your facial expression or hear the tone of your voice. Deus hardly seemed all that worked up about what you said, he looked as though he was just arguing a point.

[magicbus]

For smart guys, I laugh about how you all get worked up over sarcasm. Take note of the outrageous claims, and the exclamation marks after every sentence. You can tell that I was implying a sarcastic tone to my speech. That post was a joke, but not the post I made after concerning Wright. Anyways, if you really DO want to get all serious on me, Roger Waters does have songwritting credits on Comfortably Numb because he supplied the lyrics, and vocal melody. There's no doubt about that.

First off, nobody could tell you were being sarcastic, otherwise we would've respsoned differently or somebody would've pointed it out to use.

Secondly, Deus was arguing that Gilmour wrote songs for Pink Floyd also. A good example of this point is how Gilmour wrote the majority of Comfortably numb. Yes, Waters provided lyrics, but he did so for almost every Floyd song. Its almost a given that a Floyd song contains lyrics by Waters. But that's about all he did. Gilmour wrote most of the song, which is why you could say its his. Now if the two had worked together to form the entire song, it wouldn't be right to only give the credit only to one person. Gilmour conceived the song and was the one who presented it to Waters in the first place.

[DeusExMachina]

For smart guys, I laugh about how you all get worked up over sarcasm. Take note of the outrageous claims, and the exclamation marks after every sentence. You can tell that I was implying a sarcastic tone to my speech. That post was a joke, but not the post I made after concerning Wright. Anyways, if you really DO want to get all serious on me, Roger Waters does have songwritting credits on Comfortably Numb because he supplied the lyrics, and vocal melody. There's no doubt about that.

So to royally burn you: (All quotes refer to Comfortably Numb)

" What happened is Dave gave me a chord sequence, so if you want to fight about it, I could say that I wrote the melody and and the lyrics, obviously. I think in the choruses, he actually hummed a bit of the melody, but in the verses he certainly didn't. " Roger Waters

" He came back with this spoken-word verse and a lyric in the chorus that still stands out as one of the greatest ever written." Bob Enzin reffering to Waters.

" Things like "Comfortably Numb" are really the last embers of Roger and my ability to work collaboratively together." David Gilmour

Quotes 1 and 2 support that Waters wrote the lyrics and came up with AT LEAST the vocal melody to the verse of Comfortably Numb. Vocal Melody is music. Quote 3, explains how Comfortably Numb was a collaborative effort and not just "Gilmour's song" like you wrongfully claimed.

I had no clue you were being sarcastic. I don't think anyone else did, either. You very rarely post in this thread, so I have no idea what your online speech patterns, or style of sarcasm are. Also, I would hardly call what I did "getting worked up" over it. But, whatever. You seem to have interesting ideas of what is "obvious sarcasm" and what is "getting worked up." Now, I don't remember what I said exactly, but I'm fairly certain I didn't say that Comfortably Numb is "gilmour's song." I said he wrote the music. Which is true. He also wrote the vocal melody for the chorus (I know this because I read a biography.) And he also wrote the part of the song that really makes it famous; the guitar solos. All guitar solos were written by David Gilmour. So, even when Waters claims all the writing credit to songs, chances are Gilmour was actually largely involved with it. Once again, ABITW pt. 2 comes to mind. Waters claims all the writing credit, but Gilmour took a strumming acoustic guitar and vocals and turned it into a hit single. Saying ABITW pt. 2 is Waters' song is like saying All Along the Watchtower is Bob Dylan's song. Sure, Bob Dylan wrote it, but when you hear that name, who comes to mind, Dylan or Hendrix?

Anyways, about a Floyd reunion tour, I would love for it to be true, but don't get your hopes up people. There are rumors going around they they've confirmed it, but no credible source has been found. On the other side, however, there have been several credible interviews where the members of the band denied it. As for the interview in that magazine, (Q, I think it was) I doubt that the whole band did the interview together. Nick and Rick and David get along just fine, but Roger is definitely not getting along with any of them. When they were working on making the Echoes album, they needed a go between, because the two parties refused to work face to face. So, the rumors are flying, and I'd love for them to be true, but once again, I doubt they will be.

[el hendrix del jimi es un dios]

Floyd rosado es absolutamente una buena venda. ¡Celebre su música cuando usted está violando a niños!