DIY Thread

[coheneran]

The Subhumans are a punk band, as is the Dead Kennedys. That doesn't mean I'm going to discuss DK in the Subhumans thread. The DIY thread is about DIY goods and services.

Yes, if you work for B&Q. Punk DIY is about not having to rely on the 'system' to provide you with goods. That's a political statement, I would think.

[Rise Me Up]

The Subhumans are a punk band, as is the Dead Kennedys. That doesn't mean I'm going to discuss DK in the Subhumans thread. The DIY thread is about DIY goods and services.


I love you. E-HUGS!

[RudeBoyStompin]

Yes, if you work for B&Q. Punk DIY is about not having to rely on the 'system' to provide you with goods. That's a political statement, I would think.

What's B&Q?

I never said DIY wasn't a political statement. I'm saying that this thread is not about political statements. If you want to post about stuff related to political activism then there's probably an appropriate thread somewhere.

[coheneran]

What's B&Q?

I never said DIY wasn't a political statement. I'm saying that this thread is not about political statements. If you want to post about stuff related to political activism then there's probably an appropriate thread somewhere.

So what's this thread about if not to help each other by sharing our DIY knowledge? Which you just admitted was (in this context) a political statement. B&Q are a British DIY chainstore, they sell saws, nails, wallpaper etc..

[RudeBoyStompin]

Sharing DIY knowledge would be like sharing tips on how to make patches or t-shirts and whatnot. I don't see how stealing in order to make a political statement has to do with how to make your own goods.

But whatever, arguing about this is defeating the purpose of eliminating spam.

[coheneran]

Sharing DIY knowledge would be like sharing tips on how to make patches or t-shirts and whatnot. I don't see how stealing in order to make a political statement has to do with how to make your own goods.

But whatever, arguing about this is defeating the purpose of eliminating spam.

Fair enough. I submit.

[Brain Toad]

This thread's main purpose was orginally for asking questions related to anything do it yourself, including but not limited to fashion, hairstyling, vandalism, and every day life stuff.

Now hairstyling has been eliminated, the others still are discussed. The main feature is still fashion and clothes, but questions about vandalism, stealing, and living your life the free way (freeganism has been brought up a couple of times) is not discourged nor off topic.

[coheneran]

This thread's main purpose was orginally for asking questions related to anything do it yourself, including but not limited to fashion, hairstyling, vandalism, and every day life stuff.

Now hairstyling has been eliminated, the others still are discussed. The main feature is still fashion and clothes, but questions about vandalism, stealing, and living your life the free way (freeganism has been brought up a couple of times) is not discourged nor off topic.

Yaaay, I win. As the name implies, freeganism is mooching?

[Brain Toad]

Yaaay, I win. As the name implies, freeganism is mooching?

Pretty much. It's name is based off of veganism, because its a way of fighting the meat industry while still eating meat, because you arent supporting it with your dollars etc. But it goes beyond that. Google it.

[(r)evolution]

speaking of vandalism, me and my friend were thinking of going on another political tagging run. any stories/tips on that?

[coheneran]

Wow I googled it. It's pretty awesome.

[Brain Toad]

speaking of vandalism, me and my friend were thinking of going on another political tagging run. any stories/tips on that?

Don't get caught

[coheneran]

speaking of vandalism, me and my friend were thinking of going on another political tagging run. any stories/tips on that?

ARGH! Be like a spy! Constantly check for people and CCTV. ESPECIALLY CCTV. It's so easy to be caught out.

[(r)evolution]

last time i was caught, i sprayed "free the congo from shell's grasp" on the shell near me. yeah lame, I know

[coheneran]

last time i was caught, i sprayed "free the congo from shell's grasp" on the shell near me. yeah lame, I know

carry a piece of blank cardboard on you (2feet by 2feet or so) and if a pig stops you and starts asking questions, say you're going on a mini-demonstration and it's going to be a placard.

[RudeBoyStompin]

Since we're on the topic of graffiti does anyone here actually do graffiti art/street art? I really want to become a street artist. I've been making designs but putting them on the streets isn't really going to be doable while I'm still living with my parents.

[(r)evolution]

Since we're on the topic of graffiti does anyone here actually do graffiti art/street art? I really want to become a street artist. I've been making designs but putting them on the streets isn't really going to be doable while I'm still living with my parents.

don't show anyone your designs. i have plenty of friends who are streetartists (a few of them are awesome hip-hop artists as well) anway, keep them between you and a close friend or two. Then, go around at night 11 or so wearing black hoodies and no other distinguishable characteristics (a mohawk showing or coloured hair for example). Wrapping a bandana around your mouth is also a good idea. It keeps the fumes from hurting you and makes you harder to be recognized. When its all done, ditch the cans by blowing them up or bring them back but if the fuzz has reason to believe its you and get your parents to agree to a search and they find the cans, your through.

[Anarcho Poser]

And wear latex gloves.

[coheneran]

And wear latex gloves.

And if you see a CCTV cam low enough to spray into and it's not facing your way, spray into it!

[RudeBoyStompin]

Yeah I've only shown a couple of people my designs who I trust know how important it is that no one else knows about them. The one thing is that I would do stencils and the designs I want to do are life size so my parents would know that they're not for a t shirt. Though I suppose I can make them in secret and hide them until they're used. After spraying them I'd probably destroy them. Ideally I'd want to do them in the middle of the night and sneaking out of my house isn't really an option because my mom works at night and often stays up til 5. I think it will be easier when I can drive, it'll probably lessen my chance of being caught by cops and will better enable be to work outside my immediate community. Don't crap where you eat, y'know.

I'll probably end up waiting until I go to college to do a lot of work. Less complications to worry about.

Also a bandana protects from particles but not fumes/vapor. You need a respirator for that.

[coheneran]

Yeah I've only shown a couple of people my designs who I trust know how important it is that no one else knows about them. The one thing is that I would do stencils and the designs I want to do are life size so my parents would know that they're not for a t shirt. Though I suppose I can make them in secret and hide them until they're used. After spraying them I'd probably destroy them. Ideally I'd want to do them in the middle of the night and sneaking out of my house isn't really an option because my mom works at night and often stays up til 5. I think it will be easier when I can drive, it'll probably lessen my chance of being caught by cops and will better enable be to work outside my immediate community. Don't crap where you eat, y'know.

I'll probably end up waiting until I go to college to do a lot of work. Less complications to worry about.

Also a bandana protects from particles but not fumes/vapor. You need a respirator for that.

Bandana/scarve soaked with white spirit vinegar. learned that little trick in palestine when the IDF got up on the wrong side of the bed.

[asdf]

Me: I do DIY clothing stuff
Friend: DIY... doesn't that have something to do with drunk driving
Me: no, that's DUI or DWI.
Friend: are you sure? I guess that makes sense. What about like... driving under yak?
Me: um... that wouldn't make any sense. That's DUY. Driving intoxicated yak, perhaps?
Friend: now that's hardcore.

Ah, My friends...


Anyway, a little while back people were talking about DIY being a political statement. Sure, I guess I agree, but I myself never really did it for a political reason. I just like spending my time making my own clothing.

[Sebek]

RudeBoyStompin - I don't know if you want to wait until you can drive though, if they think your up to something and get your plate your done. Just stay at one of the friend's houses that knows your design and sneak out of their house instead.

[Anarcho Poser]

Park a couple of miles away.

[Lazybassplr56]

Ride a bike.

[coheneran]

Ride a drunk yak!

[RudeBoyStompin]

RudeBoyStompin - I don't know if you want to wait until you can drive though, if they think your up to something and get your plate your done.

Very true.

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

Hardcore hat!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/Misftisomaniac/20051118_01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/Misftisomaniac/20051118_02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/Misftisomaniac/20051118_03.jpg

[The Great Decay]

I hope that isn't real fur.

[coheneran]

I hope that isn't real fur.

Lol, that would be hilarious. I was on the train back from Hammersmith today and I saw two blonde, blue-eyed possibly twins (they were very alike, but then again, all Aryans look the same to me:p) and they looked about the right age to be those two Prussian Blue white supremos. I wish they were, because then I would have claimed to be a big fan, taken a picture of them with me using my mobile, then I would have proceeded to chat them up. Imagine their frustration when they learned they'd had an incestual threesome with a Jew! Mhuahahahahahahahaha. And I would have also made a tape, of course. Can't have a threesome with nazi 14 year old aryan twins without making a tape.

[D & V]

Lol, that would be hilarious. I was on the train back from Hammersmith today and I saw two blonde, blue-eyed possibly twins (they were very alike, but then again, all Aryans look the same to me:p) and they looked about the right age to be those two Prussian Blue white supremos. I wish they were, because then I would have claimed to be a big fan, taken a picture of them with me using my mobile, then I would have proceeded to chat them up. Imagine their frustration when they learned they'd had an incestual threesome with a Jew! Mhuahahahahahahahaha. And I would have also made a tape, of course. Can't have a threesome with nazi 14 year old aryan twins without making a tape.
rofl

[me likes punk]

I sprayed a sign that said "Peace unity equality"

i did it because that day i was afraid of North Korea nuking us


Im lame

[coheneran]

I sprayed a sign that said "Peace unity equality"

i did it because that day i was afraid of North Korea nuking us


Im lame

You think THAT'S lame? I once sprayed Fight The Power during my Public Enemy/Assata Shakur stage.

[Flagjacket]

You think THAT'S lame? I once sprayed Fight The Power during my Public Enemy/Assata Shakur stage.
Me and tow of my friends spent a good hour or so in an alley spraying over all the lame "WEED IS FUN" **** with Black Flag logos and stuff. Except one of them likes HIM, and he was spraying that "heartagram" everywhere.

[coheneran]

Me and tow of my friends spent a good hour or so in an alley spraying over all the lame "WEED IS FUN" **** with Black Flag logos and stuff. Except one of them likes HIM, and he was spraying that "heartagram" everywhere.

Heartograms are so damn lame. My friend tattoo'ed a heartogram onto his heel (needle and ink, what an idiot). He's such a Lamepants McPoserton. As you can see I have just finished reading every single QC strip. NEEEED MOOOOREEEEE.

[Brain Toad]

Heartograms are so damn lame. My friend tattoo'ed a heartogram onto his heel (needle and ink, what an idiot). He's such a Lamepants McPoserton. As you can see I have just finished reading every single QC strip. NEEEED MOOOOREEEEE.

http://www.indietits.com

Same person writes that as QC, different kind of humour usually.
In general if you want more webcomics, I'll rec. more, but not in here, in the Community Thread

[Gotta Scream Punk]

I hope that isn't real fur.
No it's definetly fake.

[RudeBoyStompin]

Hardcore hat!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/Misftisomaniac/20051118_01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/Misftisomaniac/20051118_02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/Misftisomaniac/20051118_03.jpg

That's pretty sweet. I've been looking for a hat kind of like that. One of those russian winter hats called a ushanka. I can't find any that aren't made of fur though.

And also I've completed my Eraserhead shirt.

Front: http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/2872/eraserheadshirt2px.jpg
Back: http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5862/eraserheadshirtback6wq.jpg


Don't make fun of the "Y"

[Anarcho Poser]

And also I've completed my Eraserhead shirt.

Front: http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/2872/eraserheadshirt2px.jpg
Back: http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5862/eraserheadshirtback6wq.jpg


Don't make fun of the "Y"
Pretty cool, but there should be a comma after heaven.

[Weezerfan_returns]

Sounds stupid to start a thread about shoes, but I'm going to. Punkers are into activism and such, and I want to buy a pair of shoes that aren't made in a sweatshop. I wear Vans shoes, which look cool and are comfortable, but I can't help but feel guilty. Any suggestions?




please don't flame the **** out of me for this thread...:rolleyes:

[RudeBoyStompin]

Grammatically yes, but they're technically song lyrics so I don't think it really matters.

[Anarcho Poser]

Sounds stupid to start a thread about shoes, but I'm going to. Punkers are into activism and such, and I want to buy a pair of shoes that aren't made in a sweatshop. I wear Vans shoes, which look cool and are comfortable, but I can't help but feel guilty. Any suggestions?




please don't flame the **** out of me for this thread...:rolleyes:


Make 'em.

[KingOfSka]

Hardcore hat!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/Misftisomaniac/20051118_01.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/Misftisomaniac/20051118_02.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/Misftisomaniac/20051118_03.jpg

That is so f'ucking badass. Where did you get that hat, and where did you get that patch, and how did you sew it on? Damn I want that hat.

[RudeBoyStompin]

Weezerfan, you can order non sweatshop or union made shoes online at various places.

http://www.nosweatstuff.com.au/ - All union made stuff
http://shoeswithsouls.com/default.aspx - All either union made or sweatshop free
http://www.macbethshoes.com/Default_flash.php - I have a pair of shoes from this company. They have pretty good labor standards.

[Culture Shock]

And if you see a CCTV cam low enough to spray into and it's not facing your way, spray into it!

Lately my town and its surrounding areas have put up cameras at traffic lights. I'm going to shoot the one nearest to my home with a slingshot.

[coheneran]

Lately my town and its surrounding areas have put up cameras at traffic lights. I'm going to shoot the one nearest to my home with a slingshot.

That is an INCREDIBLE idea. I shall make a slingshot later. On the subject, anyone know how to make a decent slingshot? And I mean GOOD.

[Jessizzle]

When our old venue was shut down on the last show we tagged "We Do The Ska" everywhere. The stuff we tagged outside is still there. I dont know about inside tho.
Should of taken a picture. We all sprayed our names on the walls, and everytime a band came and played they would tag the wall. It looked awesome.

[coheneran]

Cool. What this has to do with DIY I don't know, but I'm not complaining.

"Now I got no patience/So Sick of complacence."

[asdf]

That's pretty sweet. I've been looking for a hat kind of like that. One of those russian winter hats called a ushanka. I can't find any that aren't made of fur though.

And also I've completed my Eraserhead shirt.

Front: http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/2872/eraserheadshirt2px.jpg
Back: http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/5862/eraserheadshirtback6wq.jpg


Don't make fun of the "Y"
Wow, That is amazing. I officially love you.

And did you make up the font for the back? I like it. I think the Y is pretty cool.

[asdf]

When our old venue was shut down on the last show we tagged "We Do The Ska" everywhere. The stuff we tagged outside is still there. I dont know about inside tho.
Should of taken a picture. We all sprayed our names on the walls, and everytime a band came and played they would tag the wall. It looked awesome.
That kind of reminds me of my town's local hotdog place (I know, not as cool as a music venue). It's all tagged had names scratched in the walls. Although I used to live in an appartment above this building, I have yet to write my name on it. Back before I was born, when my family was living upstairs, some artist was painting this old fashion coke a cola advertisement on the side, right where our window looked out from. When he was signing the names, he wrote my brother's name there too. It's still there, although the painting is peeling quite a bit, and some people graffitied on it a bit. His name is still intact.

[Rise Me Up]

That kind of reminds me of my town's local hotdog place (I know, not as cool as a music venue). It's all tagged had names scratched in the walls. Although I used to live in an appartment above this building, I have yet to write my name on it. Back before I was born, when my family was living upstairs, some artist was painting this old fashion coke a cola advertisement on the side, right where our window looked out from. When he was signing the names, he wrote my brother's name there too. It's still there, although the painting is peeling quite a bit, and some people graffitied on it a bit. His name is still intact.


How did you make your W/IFS shirt?

[asdf]

How did you make your W/IFS shirt?
Stencil.

[Rise Me Up]

Stencil.


Did you print it off the computer, and if so do you still have it? :naughty:

[RudeBoyStompin]

And did you make up the font for the back? I like it. I think the Y is pretty cool.

I freehanded the back, yeah.

edit: and by freehand I mean freehanded the stencil design, I didn't paint right on the shirt obviously.

[asdf]

Did you print it off the computer, and if so do you still have it? :naughty:
Yep.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/asdf23/worldinfernoinvert.jpg

Leave out spaces where needed. It's not an exact stencil, but if you think about it, it works.

[Rise Me Up]

Yep.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/asdf23/worldinfernoinvert.jpg

Leave out spaces where needed. It's not an exact stencil, but if you think about it, it works.


<3 :)

[DaveToopes]

That stencil is like an optical illusion i saw one time, where little black dots appear in the white parts that are surrouneded by the black squares and when you try to focus on them they go away. Does anyone else see that?

[Culture Shock]

That stencil is like an optical illusion i saw one time, where little black dots appear in the white parts that are surrouneded by the black squares and when you try to focus on them they go away. Does anyone else see that?

I think I just might.

[coheneran]

Yeah, I sees it. So, is this a band's pic or something political?

[asdf]

Yeah, I sees it. So, is this a band's pic or something political?
Band logo.

[Brain Toad]

I want to make a shirt of this http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/PunkRockLoser666/Misc/notmypresident.jpg
But face stencils are really complicated and detailed.

[asdf]

I want to make a shirt of this http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/PunkRockLoser666/Misc/notmypresident.jpg
But face stencils are really complicated and detailed.
You would need at least two stencils to make that. One for the white and one for the gray.

[Rise Me Up]

It looks freaking impossible.

[Brain Toad]

You would need at least two stencils to make that. One for the white and one for the gray.

The picture is the general idea, I wouldn't be using the same face for stenciling, I had a better picture (with him with his mouth in an O, even better at mocking the anti-bush f'ucktards) that I was turning into a stencil via stencilrevolution's methods.

Here is the stencil for the face:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/PunkRockLoser666/chiraccopy.jpg

[asdf]

It looks freaking impossible.
Nah, I see how it could be done. A bigger image would help a ton, though.

[Vietnow]

I made this stencil for all you guys who don't think they can stencil. Its very simple and not detailed. It looks really awesome if you spray paint it on your wall a bunch of times at different angles.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/revolutionaction/pickitup.jpg

[Culture Shock]

The picture is the general idea, I wouldn't be using the same face for stenciling, I had a better picture (with him with his mouth in an O, even better at mocking the anti-bush f'ucktards) that I was turning into a stencil via stencilrevolution's methods.

Here is the stencil for the face:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/PunkRockLoser666/chiraccopy.jpg

Since all people who hate Bush are stupid... but not like I would wear those stupid shirts either.

[RudeBoyStompin]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/asdf23/worldinfernoinvert.jpg



I'm seeing them on Friday.:D

[FunknPunk]

I made this stencil for all you guys who don't think they can stencil. Its very simple and not detailed. It looks really awesome if you spray paint it on your wall a bunch of times at different angles.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a260/revolutionaction/pickitup.jpg
pickituppickituppickitup!

[RudeBoyStompin]

I'm seeing them on Friday.:D

Scratch that. It sold out.

[holy_roller99]

It looks freaking impossible.

not if you used print screens and spraypaint.

[asdf]

Scratch that. It sold out.
Aww man, that really sucks. And I was just about to yell at you because of how envious I was.

I have made it a life goal to see them in concert, but they never come to Michigan. :(

[white_riot]

I made an Oi Polloi patch with the design Anarcho Poser put up a couple of days or so ago.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c206/sundance_kid77/IMAG3854.jpg

[Zion Gates]

I made an Oi Polloi patch with the design Anarcho Poser put up a couple of days or so ago.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c206/sundance_kid77/IMAG3854.jpg

wow man, thats really well done..good job :thumb:

[DaveToopes]

Yeah, that looks awesome, good work.

[Anarcho Poser]

I made an Oi Polloi patch with the design Anarcho Poser put up a couple of days or so ago.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c206/sundance_kid77/IMAG3854.jpg
Cool. Well done.


I've got a few long sleeve shirts with sleves that are too short (I'm really tall and have broad shoulders, alot of long-sleved things don't fit well,) so I'm cutting and hemming them to short-sleeved length, painting some stuff on 'em, and using the leftover sleeves for patches. I'll post pictures of the shirts when they're done.

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

That is so f'ucking badass. Where did you get that hat, and where did you get that patch, and how did you sew it on? Damn I want that hat.My mom helped me sew it together from a pattern, then I just sewed the patch on the side by hand.

I haven't made a stencil in so long, I think I'm going to do that "pick it up" one on my guitar case in white.

[Anarcho Poser]

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7379/imag00024kk.jpg

A couple of letters are a little blotchy, and I kinda fell off the stencil next to the A, but it didn't come out too bad.

[Liebensaft]

Very cool.

[white_riot]

That looks really good.

My Flux of Pink Indians patch I made.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c206/sundance_kid77/IMAG3881.jpg

[holy_roller99]

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7379/imag00024kk.jpg

A couple of letters are a little blotchy, and I kinda fell off the stencil next to the A, but it didn't come out too bad.

think you can put up the stencil you used?

[DaveToopes]

That looks really good.

My Flux of Pink Indians patch I made.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c206/sundance_kid77/IMAG3881.jpg

Holy sh!t that's good!

[Anarcho Poser]

It's the one from stencilpunx.

[RudeBoyStompin]

So I'm thinking this may be my next t-shirt project

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4886/johnbrowncopy7rj.png

[white_riot]

Does anyone know how to get spray Paint out of a Jacket because I totally screwed my jacket up. I love this jacket so if anyone can help please speak now.

it looks worse that what it really is. I totally stuffed up the e & r on Power and you can hardly see it in the picture. I also have a conflict patch I made on it.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c206/sundance_kid77/IMAG3904.jpg

[Anarcho Poser]

Paint thinner maybe?

[FunknPunk]

Does anyone know how to get spray Paint out of a Jacket because I totally screwed my jacket up. I love this jacket so if anyone can help please speak now.

it looks worse that what it really is. I totally stuffed up the e & r on Power and you can hardly see it in the picture. I also have a conflict patch I made on it.

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c206/sundance_kid77/IMAG3904.jpg
i think it looks fine...

[Homelesshero]

im thinking of making this design into a backpatch, i just have to get around to making the screen for it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/upthepunx1977/bastardsbnw.jpg

[Zion Gates]

how could i make this picture:
http://www.dwellingplacepub.com/images/matisyahu%20stubbs%20lg.jpg
stencible ...if that makes sense

[Liebensaft]

I think this would make a pretty cool shirt. http://www.web.apc.org/~ara/Art/follow.gif

[Anarcho Poser]

how could i make this picture:
http://www.dwellingplacepub.com/images/matisyahu%20stubbs%20lg.jpg
stencible ...if that makes sense
You'd probably have to make another stencil for the name, and I think you'd have to leave out the swirls on the bottom, but other than that, it's pretty much stencible already.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/droth/matisyahu.jpg

[holy_roller99]

im thinking of making this design into a backpatch, i just have to get around to making the screen for it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/upthepunx1977/bastardsbnw.jpg

do you have a multi print screen in your shop class (if yougo to school).

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

how could i make this picture:
http://www.dwellingplacepub.com/images/matisyahu%20stubbs%20lg.jpg
stencible ...if that makes senseHAHA! Matisyahu is the ****.

I think this would make a pretty cool shirt. http://www.web.apc.org/~ara/Art/follow.gif
I already own that shirt.

[Zion Gates]

You'd probably have to make another stencil for the name, and I think you'd have to leave out the swirls on the bottom, but other than that, it's pretty much stencible already.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/droth/matisyahu.jpg

thanks man :thumb:

[Lukeh]

Yesterday I finished my Bomb the Music Industry! t-shirt which I made with nothing but an old cereal box, a ball-point pen and my old PE (or gym for you Americans) t-shirt.

I'll post pics soon, at the moment I'm just trying to wear it for as many days as I can before someone finds it and wants to wash it, which just isn't punk at all... :upset:

[coheneran]

I've just read the Crass history and I feel I need to do something to put a point across to the general internet public. How does one make an internet radio station?

[Brain Toad]

I've just read the Crass history and I feel I need to do something to put a point across to the general internet public. How does one make an internet radio station?

http://www.shoutcast.com

[coheneran]

Thank you.

[heyimsheep1]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/heyimsheep/7sec.jpg

7 Seconds stencil

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/heyimsheep/7sec.jpg

7 Seconds stencil
I'm not really sure how you did that, but it looks sweet.

[asdf]

A warning to all you taggers out there: If you're going to tag, make sure you have a good tag name, or this may happen to you.

One of my neighbors, who's this dumbass who thinks anarchy means ****ing **** up for the sake of it. Basically, he decided that he was going to be hardcore, and made up what he thought was a great tag name. I've only seen one of his tags, and it was located behind a bookstore in our neighborhood. This is his tag:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/asdf23/buddah.jpg

Buddha, spelled wrong, with an anarchy sign for the A. Well, my friends and I all had a good laugh about BUDDAH. Anytime we'd see him we'd yell out BUDDAH (kind of like the SNL skit where the jewish ladies say "her legs were like buddah"). He'd give us an angry glare.

We walked by that tag very often, and one day there was an arrow written in pencil pointing at it, that said "retart." None of my friends drew it, so clearly we weren't the only ones getting a good laugh from this piece of graffiti.

Well slowly, this tag became covered in much more graffiti. A lot of people writing things like "is a retard" and "you suck dick" and my brother wrote "I can't believe it's not..." above it. He or his friends would retaliate back by trying to cross it out, but it didn't work. It became this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/asdf23/buddah2.jpg

Some of the graffiti around it doesn't make sense unless you know my neighborhood. It's classic. A few days after this picture was taken, it was all painted over.

Moral of the story: If you're going to be a tagger, don't be a lame one.

[Rise Me Up]

That was entertaining as hell. ^^^

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

Warning to all of you in cold states, many types of spray paints get a different runnier consistency in cold weather and it makes it difficult to make a stencil becuase of the runny paint.

I ****ed up my Against Me! one. :(

[asdf]

That was entertaining as hell. ^^^
Oh, it was really entertaining for us. Every time we'd walk past it, there'd be something new. Anytime we passed him, we'd say "Buddah!" And his little freshman sidekick we occasionally called bread. (who's real name is sean, which is mentioned on the graffiti surrounding buddah). I even drew a nice sketch of Bread and Buddah, but it didn't turn out as planned.

Hopefully, he will be dumb enough to tag again.

[Rise Me Up]

Haha. Did he know he was spelling it wrong?

[asdf]

Haha. Did he know he was spelling it wrong?
Yep. I talked to him about it. I said "you know, you're spelling Buddha wrong, and that that's not how an anarchy symbol really looks. That's more of the bastardized hot topic version." to that he replied: "I know it's spelled wrong and I know it's the wrong anarchy symbol. I'm trying to be an individual."

[Rise Me Up]

Yep. I talked to him about it. I said "you know, you're spelling Buddha wrong, and that that's not how an anarchy symbol really looks. That's more of the bastardized hot topic version." to that he replied: "I know it's spelled wrong and I know it's the wrong anarchy symbol. I'm trying to be an individual."

:lol:

[coheneran]

I don't see what the pentagram has anything to do with anything.

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

I don't see what the pentagram has anything to do with anything.
Because he's an individual remember?

[coheneran]

Because he's an individual remember?

Individuals are allowed to make sense...

I will never have my own tag. They are so lame.

[Anarcho Poser]

I used to scribble pentagrams on everything in eigth grade.

[Rise Me Up]

I used to scribble pentagrams on everything in eigth grade.


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[coheneran]

I quite like pentagrams. Not for any symbolic reason, they just look nice. But the point of graffiti is to put across a message, and pentagrams don't do that very well. Especially if it's next to Buddah and the anarchism sign.

[coheneran]

I have a DIY-ish question. I made a Khanuca avatar, but it's .bmp and the site won't accept it. It's 70x70 pixel and less than 19kb. Any ideas?

[SantaDuJuan]

It'd be cool if I wrote "Anarchy is Political Nirvana" and then but the Buddha right beside it.

[Anarcho Poser]

I have a DIY-ish question. I made a Khanuca avatar, but it's .bmp and the site won't accept it. It's 70x70 pixel and less than 19kb. Any ideas?
Convert it to jpg?

[Rise Me Up]

It'd be cool if I wrote "Anarchy is Political Nirvana" and then but the Buddha right beside it.

HAHAHAH. That's awesome.

[coheneran]

Convert it to jpg?

Apart from changing the filename to .jpg how does one do that?

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

Open it in any program you view pictures in and click save as, and at the bottom just change the save as- .bmp to save as- .jpg

[coheneran]

I don't know why I didn't remember that. Thank you.

[(r)evolution]

what kind of fabric should I use for a back patch? I was thinking of just putting the dessign on a t shirt and cutting it out to use as a patch, is that a good idea?

[Culture Shock]

what kind of fabric should I use for a back patch? I was thinking of just putting the dessign on a t shirt and cutting it out to use as a patch, is that a good idea?

That's probably not the best idea but if you do that, make sure you sew it up nicely.

[Anarcho Poser]

That's probably not the best idea but if you do that, make sure you sew it up nicely.
Yeah... Something canvas-like is what you should use.

[RudeBoyStompin]

One of my friends made a back patch from black canvas. He got a ton of it for really cheap but I forget where.

[(r)evolution]

black canvas.. okay thanks guys

[Teeb]

T-shirt I made

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/Teeb/BlackFlag.jpg

I got the stencil off stencilpunx, but when I printed it off it was too small. So I got out a ruler and doubled all the dimensions.

[Anarcho Poser]

Nice job.

[Vietnow]

does anyone know a site that explains to you how to do those nice big multi-colour sprays? The Free handed ones? I'd like to do some on day

[Brain Toad]

I used to scribble pentagrams on everything in eigth grade.

That was me and 10th and 11th grade.

[Homelesshero]

i was bored last night so i decided to replace the laces on my shoes with zippers. here's the result:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/upthepunx1977/DIY%20Projects/shoes001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/upthepunx1977/DIY%20Projects/shoes002.jpg

[holy_roller99]

T-shirt I made

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/Teeb/BlackFlag.jpg

I got the stencil off stencilpunx, but when I printed it off it was too small. So I got out a ruler and doubled all the dimensions.

one of my friends did one like that only a little different. Smaller dimensions and different font.

[Anarcho Poser]

i was bored last night so i decided to replace the laces on my shoes with zippers. here's the result:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/upthepunx1977/DIY%20Projects/shoes001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/upthepunx1977/DIY%20Projects/shoes002.jpg
hahaha, neato!


So I made this stencil:
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/7696/dancehall1zw.jpg

I'm gunna try and do it, then freehand in the cut out parts. I'll post pics when it's done.

[Homelesshero]

hahaha, neato!


thanx man. they took a while to make, i had to sew the tongues to the shoes. that was bloody annoying. high tops are very thick. the zippers were easy though, just needed some dental floss and my lighter.

[Scabies]

i was bored last night so i decided to replace the laces on my shoes with zippers. here's the result:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/upthepunx1977/DIY%20Projects/shoes001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/upthepunx1977/DIY%20Projects/shoes002.jpg

ha, that looks really cool.

[Drop The Baby]

ha, that looks really cool.

This might sound like a strange question but i don't suppose you know a good place to pick up studs for a jacket? I was knocking around Camden last week and couldn't find any anywhere :(

/exposes himself to gay jokes

[Scabies]

i coldnt think of a good enough joke so just go to black rose (the mega goth shop) in the stables. its near the food court right next to that rockabilly shop ( dragstrip i think)

[Drop The Baby]

I think i walked straight past that place because i couldn't bring myself to walk into a place like that. If i go to the Dead Pets tomorrow i'll check it out, cheers

[coheneran]

I think i walked straight past that place because i couldn't bring myself to walk into a place like that. If i go to the Dead Pets tomorrow i'll check it out, cheers

The Dead Pets are playing in Camden!? WHERE?

[Drop The Baby]

The Underworld

[coheneran]

The Underworld

I see. What time? Only I'm going to a demonstration at London Bridge at 6pm.

[Drop The Baby]

Don't know, doors are probably at around 8. Check it out, you're on the internet.

[coheneran]

Good point. Thanks.

[RudeBoyStompin]

Does anyone know anything about making one's own incense. I love incense and would love to make my own. I haven't really looked into making my own much so I am wondering if anyone has any good methods.

[coheneran]

I once made my own incense mix, but never rolled it up. What you do is dry the herbs you want to use, chop them and grind them to a very fine powder using a mortar and pestle. sieve it a few times, REALLY refine the powder, and then mix it with a little bit of water and roll it up around a tooth pick. that's how my friend made them. I think you put them on light heat in the oven to dry after. you can also roll them into cones and dry them. I prefer conical incense.

[RudeBoyStompin]

Sounds like a bit of work but if I find some good stuff to make them out of it'd probably be worth it.

[coheneran]

I used garden stuff for the mix, like rosmary, thyme, oregano, something mediterranean called za'atar etc.. In the end I just put nutmeg in it as well and used it as a smoke mix. It didn't work :( but it tasted nice.

[asdf]

i was bored last night so i decided to replace the laces on my shoes with zippers. here's the result:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/upthepunx1977/DIY%20Projects/shoes001.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/upthepunx1977/DIY%20Projects/shoes002.jpg
Wow, I really like this! I can't believe I never thought of this before, either. That's very cool.

[Liebensaft]

That's pretty cool.

[holy_roller99]

the problem with zipper shoes is that they don't stay up.

[coheneran]

Sew a mini belt support (like around the top of jeans) around the top of the boot and thread a short piece of lace (the non-underwear kind) through it and through the hole in the zipper. If that's at all understandable.

[Homelesshero]

the problem with zipper shoes is that they don't stay up.
ive havent had a problem with zippers coming down yet...

and DUDE! you live in edmonton, where abouts town do you live?

[FunknPunk]

nice shoes.

/wishes he lived in england >.<

[fatcow2000]

my band mates and i are in a hurry to make some decent merch for saturday.

1. tee shirts
2. patches
3. hats
4. pins
4 1/2. stickers
5.edit: no more scented candles...:(

ok, my ideas for the more important ones, tee's, patches, hats(anything that is fabric) was to use fabric spraypaint or dye, but im not sure if they sell that at any local fabric stores, or anywhere in my area... does anyone know where to get some, or have an alternative (shirts will be black and white and probably from a thrift store, as well as patches and hats)

can anyone give me a how to on making stickers, and scented candles(im serious, although the candles may be a bit overboard)?

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

my band mates and i are in a hurry to make some decent merch for saturday.

1. tee shirts
2. patches
3. hats
4. pins
4 1/2. stickers
5. scented candles (hmmm)

ok, my ideas for the more important ones, tee's, patches, hats(anything that is fabric) was to use fabric spraypaint or dye, but im not sure if they sell that at any local fabric stores, or anywhere in my area... does anyone know where to get some, or have an alternative (shirts will be black and white and probably from a thrift store, as well as patches and hats)

can anyone give me a how to on making stickers, and scented candles(im serious, although the candles may be a bit overboard)?
I've used spray paint, and it works fairly well as long as you use a bright color, and more than one coat.

Candles are overboard.

The way I've done stickers in the past is just get some printable return adress things for smaller stickers, and bigger printable mail adress sheets, and just print onto them, or if you're cool, draw on them.

[fatcow2000]

I've used spray paint, and it works fairly well as long as you use a bright color, and more than one coat.

Candles are overboard.

The way I've done stickers in the past is just get some printable return adress things for smaller stickers, and bigger printable mail adress sheets, and just print onto them, or if you're cool, draw on them.

i knew the candles were too much... maybe one or two then (buy a 99c scented candle and put a sticker on it...)

ok, so just spraypaint, see i was thinking, what if someone washes the shirt... we're just going to stencil our names and a design(were all stencil artists)... and yea that seems more logical with the stickers, thanks m8.

any more ideas plz...

[Anarcho Poser]

my band mates and i are in a hurry to make some decent merch for saturday.

1. tee shirts
2. patches
3. hats
4. pins
4 1/2. stickers
5. scented candles (hmmm)

ok, my ideas for the more important ones, tee's, patches, hats(anything that is fabric) was to use fabric spraypaint or dye, but im not sure if they sell that at any local fabric stores, or anywhere in my area... does anyone know where to get some, or have an alternative (shirts will be black and white and probably from a thrift store, as well as patches and hats)

can anyone give me a how to on making stickers, and scented candles(im serious, although the candles may be a bit overboard)?

Your local craft store will almost definately have fabric paint. You might be better off getting plain fabric paint anyway, I've heard fabric spraypaint does't work too well. If you really wanna do it from a spray can, though, regular spraypaint works alright. I'd go with bottled fabric paint and a paint roller, though. Also, dye is probably just not a good idea.

I'd abandon the scented candle idea. I mean honestly, how many people do you think would actually buy scented candles? It's probably just more trouble than it's worth.

I've never done stickers before... maybe you could try and find some sticker sheets that will run through your printer somewhere.

[coheneran]

Most office supplies stores will have sticker sheets, but some printers don't take them, or you need a special ink cartridge or something like that. check that out. patches are easy, as someone said already. make the stencil, get black canvas (or some other rough fabric) and white paint on in 2 or three thin layers. wait to dry between each layer. and remember, don't sell to make a profit! that's the true punk way. sell to break even.

[fatcow2000]

Most office supplies stores will have sticker sheets, but some printers don't take them, or you need a special ink cartridge or something like that. check that out. patches are easy, as someone said already. make the stencil, get black canvas (or some other rough fabric) and white paint on in 2 or three thin layers. wait to dry between each layer. and remember, don't sell to make a profit! that's the true punk way. sell to break even.


we dont plan to make a profit... there are like, 8 other bands, its a festival like thing. we just want to get some merch out there.

[coheneran]

Cool. :thumb:
Another thing you could do is design a cool stencil with your band logo and make like two dozen of them and hand them out. Everyone loves spraying cool stuff. In fact, let's presume that while you're playing, the people on the front row are enjoying you the most. It's a crap presumption, but stay with me. If everyone in the front row is 'your biggest fan' etc. then hand out the stencils to the guys in the front. If they like you the most, they will be most likely the ones who want to spray your band logo all over McDonalds.

[Drop The Baby]

:lol: :lol:

Scented candles? WHAT THE F'UCK?

[coheneran]

Scented candles are badass.

[FunknPunk]

Scented candles are badass.
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[RudeBoyStompin]

I've never really used scented candles. I'm an incense person.

[Ghostfire3]

If I used regular black spray paint on a white t-shirt and I want to wash that t-shirt, the spray paint wouldn't wash off or run in the washer, would it?

[Theramed]

If I used regular black spray paint on a white t-shirt and I want to wash that t-shirt, the spray paint wouldn't wash off or run in the washer, would it?

no i dont think so but it would probably fade a bit

[white_riot]

It won't wash out, well it shouldn't because I have washed some of my shirts and they came out fine.

[fatcow2000]

yea, scented candles rule... also insence are awesome...

and yea that stencil idea is good man!

edit: what is a good spraypaint brand that is hard to wash out... i know of krylon only, and that is a bit pricey.

[holy_roller99]

ive havent had a problem with zippers coming down yet...

and DUDE! you live in edmonton, where abouts town do you live?

i am just north of edmonton. add me to your IM. holy_roller99@hotmail.com.

[holy_roller99]

my band mates and i are in a hurry to make some decent merch for saturday.

1. tee shirts
2. patches
3. hats
4. pins
4 1/2. stickers
5.edit: no more scented candles...:(

ok, my ideas for the more important ones, tee's, patches, hats(anything that is fabric) was to use fabric spraypaint or dye, but im not sure if they sell that at any local fabric stores, or anywhere in my area... does anyone know where to get some, or have an alternative (shirts will be black and white and probably from a thrift store, as well as patches and hats)

can anyone give me a how to on making stickers, and scented candles(im serious, although the candles may be a bit overboard)?

do u have access to a screen printing press. that is how i am doing my patche s at school.

[FunknPunk]

Most office supplies stores will have sticker sheets, but some printers don't take them, or you need a special ink cartridge or something like that. check that out. patches are easy, as someone said already. make the stencil, get black canvas (or some other rough fabric) and white paint on in 2 or three thin layers. wait to dry between each layer. and remember, don't sell to make a profit! that's the true punk way. sell to break even.
theres some good grassroots companies that make stickers for cheap...

[Spenser]

T-shirt I made

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/Teeb/BlackFlag.jpg

I got the stencil off stencilpunx, but when I printed it off it was too small. So I got out a ruler and doubled all the dimensions.

Awesome. What type of paint did you use and where'd you get it?

[ratsinthecity403]

my band mates and i are in a hurry to make some decent merch for saturday.

1. tee shirts
2. patches
3. hats
4. pins
4 1/2. stickers
5.edit: no more scented candles...:(

ok, my ideas for the more important ones, tee's, patches, hats(anything that is fabric) was to use fabric spraypaint or dye, but im not sure if they sell that at any local fabric stores, or anywhere in my area... does anyone know where to get some, or have an alternative (shirts will be black and white and probably from a thrift store, as well as patches and hats)

can anyone give me a how to on making stickers, and scented candles(im serious, although the candles may be a bit overboard)?

Well it may be a bit late now, but as far as pins go...
to make decent ones like the ones you buy from stores, the supplies cost somwhere in the six cents a pin area, but the machine to make them cost like 130-something dollars. It's probably best to get them made somewhere unless you plan to be making a lot of your own pins.

[fatcow2000]

well, im heading out to the store now, i figure the tee's shud dry by 4.oclock, i mean its the south florida heat...

no where had black tee's, so im getting white tees... ill post some pics of the tees and the show in the forums today:naughty:

haha im excited... thanks for all the help guys, we're just making patches and tees... no scented candles:(.

thanks dudes!

[Lukeh]

Here's some pics of the Bomb the Music Industry! t-shirt I made a while back...

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d10/Lukehh/BtMI_tee_front.jpg

Front

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d10/Lukehh/BtMI_tee_back.jpg

Back

[Shtein]

Did you use a marker?

[Lukeh]

Only on the first letter of every word, I didn't use it on every letter 'cause I was afraid that it might run out of ink halfway through or something...

For the rest I just used a ball-point pen, so I don't how well it will wash yet though either =\

[Teeb]

Awesome. What type of paint did you use and where'd you get it?

I used Jacquard Textile fabric paint (http://www.artmaterials.com.au/images/jacquard2.jpg) which I bought at Michaels.

[Spenser]

Spectacular..

[Culture Shock]

I'm going to attempt to the draw the image for a patch using a marker. Do you any of you know if there is a 'fabric' marker or anything of that nature? Please and thankyou.

[RudeBoyStompin]

Yeah you can buy fabric markers at arts and crafts stores.

[Brain Toad]

Most fabric markers are basically just sharpies, at least the one's I've seen. I don't know if the ink is any different, which I doubt.

[holy_roller99]

Most office supplies stores will have sticker sheets, but some printers don't take them, or you need a special ink cartridge or something like that. check that out. patches are easy, as someone said already. make the stencil, get black canvas (or some other rough fabric) and white paint on in 2 or three thin layers. wait to dry between each layer. and remember, don't sell to make a profit! that's the true punk way. sell to break even.

for patches my friend recommended taht i use denim sheets ( old jeans) and sew them under the thin fabric or T-Shirt fabric. that will make them sturdy.

[Culture Shock]

Hopefully those markers are decent, although I hate how they aren't very bold ( pretty much all markers in general after using them on fabric).

[Brain Toad]

Hopefully those markers are decent, although I hate how they aren't very bold ( pretty much all markers in general after using them on fabric).

Just don't wash whatever you are writing on in water, or it will fade big time.

Once I get some more sheets for my jacket, I'll post the brand and instructions for the dry cleaning, because its the best way to clean patched up clothing without fadeing and destroying.

[coheneran]

Only on the first letter of every word, I didn't use it on every letter 'cause I was afraid that it might run out of ink halfway through or something...

For the rest I just used a ball-point pen, so I don't how well it will wash yet though either =\

Off-subject, will you be attending the Smash EDO demo in Brighton? I urge you to go. I would be going, but I already had major plans for that w/e before I knew about it=(. GO! Here's the URL:
http://www.smashedo.org.uk/

[Sebek]

I have a few more additions on my leather to show, but lack a digital camera. I'll try to take some next time I hang out with a friend of mine, in which case I'll probably have some more new stuff by then tho show as well :wave:

On it now:
Nile - spraypaint
Clockwork Orange - patch
Chaos UK - patch
Ratt - acrylic paint

To come soon (I hope);
Death - acrylic paint
Pork Dukes - acrylic paint or patch
G.B.H - acrylic paint
Iniquity - patch preferable since it's a pretty detailed logo

And whatever else I think of in the meantime.

[Lukeh]

Off-subject, will you be attending the Smash EDO demo in Brighton? I urge you to go. I would be going, but I already had major plans for that w/e before I knew about it=(. GO! Here's the URL:
http://www.smashedo.org.uk/

Yeah I definitely will be, cheers. Sorry you won't be there, but it's cool, I'll probably post about it after or something in case there isn't much other info on how it went down.

[coheneran]

I found a good DIY section on Schnews. I am going to install some of those anonymity programs. And maybe a bit of subvertising. Enjoy.

http://www.schnews.org.uk/diyguide/index.htm

[coheneran]

I am wondering if threadstarter would be willing to turn this thread into other non-DIY (well, not very) and related direct action thread, as it will be more concentrated and easier to find the information you need quickly than if I made a Direct Action/Activism thread. I have a bunch of stuff to post about direct action and how to get into 'the circle' of direct action activists. I myself am looking into joining the hunt sabouteurs in my area, and have a bunch of links for other areas, and for other causes, if people want.
What say you, threadstarter?

[Anarcho Poser]

I am wondering if threadstarter would be willing to turn this thread into other non-DIY (well, not very) and related direct action thread, as it will be more concentrated and easier to find the information you need quickly than if I made a Direct Action/Activism thread. I have a bunch of stuff to post about direct action and how to get into 'the circle' of direct action activists. I myself am looking into joining the hunt sabouteurs in my area, and have a bunch of links for other areas, and for other causes, if people want.
What say you, threadstarter?
Why don't you just start a direct action thread?

[coheneran]

Why don't you just start a direct action thread?

Like I just badly implied, direct action involves a hell of a lot of DIY, so why not integrate the two threads, that way people looking for a certain action can find the DIY on it at the same time, and vice versa. I don't mind making a diraction thread, but I feel this way would make it easier.

[Shtein]

It would be easier if you didn't ask and just went ahead and did it, I'd post in it.:D

[coheneran]

I'll make it after this show about the tsunami.

[Teeb]

I want to make a Propagandhi shirt, but I don't have any good ideas. Can anyone think of anything?

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

I want to make a Propagandhi shirt, but I don't have any good ideas. Can anyone think of anything?Do a **** the Border one.

I think I might make one of those.

[Brain Toad]

I think I may make a shirt that says "**** the ALF", but I'm afraid of the people thinking I'm referring to the loveable fuzzy alien.

[User Name]

I hate 'em both,make the shirt

[Brain Toad]

I hate 'em both,make the shirt

I may add Activism doesn't mean Terrorism on the back as well, so it reduces more confusion.

But I love Alf.

[coheneran]

Who are ALF? Aryan mumblemumble Federation?

[Brain Toad]

Who are ALF? Aryan mumblemumble Federation?

Animal Liberation Front

[coheneran]

Animal Liberation Front

Are they the people who throw paint on people (I see we're having the same conversation on two threads=P)?

[Brain Toad]

Are they the people who throw paint on people (I see we're having the same conversation on two threads=P)?

Yes.

Them and the ELF (Earth Liberation Front) are both ecoterrorist organizations.

[User Name]

Animal Liberation Front
geez,even the name's stupid
i think ill spray something on my dickies jacket but i dont know what to do.

maybe I'll do "The Charlie Daniels Band" on the back since im listening to uneasy rider.

[coheneran]

Yes.

Them and the ELF (Earth Liberation Front) are both ecoterrorist organizations.

Earth First! and Friends Of The Earth do much passive good for environmental and animal issues. However, have you tried looking at it from an ecowarrior's (sounds cooler) point of view? To them, the murder of an animal is no different than the murder of a human. Maybe they have connected with animals/nature on such a deep level that they have discovered a truth, or maybe they are psychopaths who found a "righteous" way to hurt people. Again, I do not advocate their violent actions, but I like to look at an argument from all sides.

[Brain Toad]

geez,even the name's stupid
i think ill spray something on my dickies jacket but i dont know what to do.

maybe I'll do "The Charlie Daniels Band" on the back since im listening to uneasy rider.

I saw them live. Charlie is amazing when he plays that fiddle, went through about 50 bows when I saw him.

Earth First! and Friends Of The Earth do much passive good for environmental and animal issues. However, have you tried looking at it from an ecowarrior's (sounds cooler) point of view? To them, the murder of an animal is no different than the murder of a human. Maybe they have connected with animals/nature on such a deep level that they have discovered a truth, or maybe they are psychopaths who found a "righteous" way to hurt people. Again, I do not advocate their violent actions, but I like to look at an argument from all sides.

I'm sure some of them are in tune with nature that way and such, but I still don't think it justifies hurting another human because they may have been (directly or indirectly) involved in the hurting of an animal. Then you have stumped down to the level of the person hurting the animal.

[coheneran]

I saw them live. Charlie is amazing when he plays that fiddle, went through about 50 bows when I saw him.



I'm sure some of them are in tune with nature that way and such, but I still don't think it justifies hurting another human because they may have been (directly or indirectly) involved in the hurting of an animal. Then you have stumped down to the level of the person hurting the animal.

True. However, if a person supporting capital punishment said what you just said, I would throw it back in their face like so much dropped ice cream.

[Brain Toad]

True. However, if a person supporting capital punishment said what you just said, I would throw it back in their face like so much dropped ice cream.

I waiver on my opinion of capital punishment. In some ways, it's good and I want to see people who kill children etc dead. But in another light, the US is the only devloped nation with it, and its so barbaric.

[Culture Shock]

The ALF is a group loosely made up of anyone who wishes to further the cause of animal liberation. There are no leaders and anyone who participates (independently of everyone else) can consider themselves a member.

It would be unfair to label everyone associated with the organization a terrorist as it is a pronounced non-violent group and all cells participate on their own. Of course the media has distorted the image of the group even if some members have used violent means to promote their cause.

All in all, contrary to what some think, the ALF is responsible for countless positive efforts in the political-activism of animal rights. If you still have doubts, think about currents events. Not all muslims are terrorists.

Edit: Most examples of the ALF's efforts includes saving animals that are in immediate danger (i.e. saving animals from labs or sabotaging hunts.

[coheneran]

Well, look at it this way. Killing a man who kills is stooping down to his level, whether he killed babies, marines or animals. And it's proven to be inefficient statistically, but let's not get into the discussion.

[AIRIC]

Does this make sense:

Texas is the most conservative, Christian, right wing state in the union, none of which is very radical and yet they kill the most in the form of execution. It seems a little contradictory to me.

[User Name]

They are a vengeful people

[coheneran]

The ALF is a group loosely made up of anyone who wishes to further the cause of animal liberation. There are no leaders and anyone who participates (independently of everyone else) can consider themselves a member.

It would be unfair to label everyone associated with the organization a terrorist as it is a pronounced non-violent group and all cells participate on their own. Of course the media has distorted the image of the group even if some members have used violent means to promote their cause.

All in all, contrary to what some think, the ALF is responsible for countless positive efforts in the political-activism of animal rights. If you still have doubts, think about currents events. Not all muslims are terrorists.

True. And I agree with you, but I like pointing out unexpressed points:
Not all Muslims are terrorists in the same way that not all environmentalists are ecoterrorists, but then again, not all Muslims are part of Al-Quaeda, whereas all ecoterrorists are ecoterrorists.
Now that's what I call REAL self-defeatist.

[coheneran]

2.30 am. sleepy time. Thanks for the nice discussion.

[Brain Toad]

Does this make sense:

Texas is the most conservative, Christian, right wing state in the union, none of which is very radical and yet they kill the most in the form of execution. It seems a little contradictory to me.

The United States as a whole is the most religious devloped country and the only devloped country with the death penalty, as a whole we are a contradictory nation.

[Culture Shock]

True. And I agree with you, but I like pointing out unexpressed points:
Not all Muslims are terrorists in the same way that not all environmentalists are ecoterrorists, but then again, not all Muslims are part of Al-Quaeda, whereas all ecoterrorists are ecoterrorists.
Now that's what I call REAL self-defeatist.

Yeah, but the ALF is non-violent, so in effect, you can say anyone who is violent isn't a member. Either way, the purpose of my post was to point out that not all people associated with them are violent and do help animals.

[Liebensaft]

Yeah, but the ALF is non-violent
You're kidding, right?

[DaveToopes]

The ALF killed my father.

Oh sorry, i thought that this was the Politics forum for a second.

I need to finish my 7 Seconds shirt.

[Culture Shock]

You're kidding, right?

Read what has already been stated. You can also check out http://www.animalliberationfront.com/ALFront/Activist%20Tips/ARActivFAQs.htm#faq89 .

If my opinons or beliefs have already been expressed on a certain aspect above then I will not bother discussing it again.

[Liebensaft]

They believe in non-violence, but they acheive it in often violent ways, such as destruction of property.

[Culture Shock]

They believe in non-violence, but they acheive it in often violent ways, such as destruction of property.

Breaking down a door to rescue a life in danger? I think that is most appropriate. Either way, there are worse hypocrisies similar to this dicussion (i.e. the police, the US military, et cetera).

[coheneran]

Destruction of property is NOT violent. And it is not a bad thing. That is, it is not a bad thing if you are one of the majority of people who recognise the difference between a privately owned factory and a privately owned book. And there's a big difference.

[Flagjacket]

Isn't there an activism thread for this now?

[holy_roller99]

this thread has become sooooo spamed.

[DaveToopes]

this thread has become sooooo spamed.

HEY! That post helped! Good work!

I finished my 7 Seconds shirt today, I'll post pictures when I can find batteries for our camera.

[Liebensaft]

Indeed, there is.

I'd really like to make a shirt with This (http://kehuelga.org/programas/sintiempo/imgs/data/media/4/Follow%20your%20leader.GIF) on it, but having never done any kind of DIY stuff, I'd have no idea how to start.

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

Indeed, there is.

I'd really like to make a shirt with This (http://kehuelga.org/programas/sintiempo/imgs/data/media/4/Follow%20your%20leader.GIF) on it, but having never done any kind of DIY stuff, I'd have no idea how to start.It could be tough to take a **** with that on it.


Damn, you ninja edited.

[Liebensaft]

Hahaha. I posted it and saw the ****'s and realized I forgot the 'r'. Sorry for the ninja edit. But anyway, what would I do to put it in shirt form?

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

Hahaha. I posted it and saw the ****'s and realized I forgot the 'r'. Sorry for the ninja edit. But anyway, what would I do to put it in shirt form?Depends on the quality you want.

If you want semi-low quality you can t-shirt transfer it. If you want higher quality you could stencil it, which shouldn't be too difficult, and spray paint it or fabric paint it.

It's all about instant gratification vs. long lasting gratification.

And your art abilities if you suck at tracing and cutting.

Or you could support eracism and buy one like I did. That's these guys: http://www.erace.com/

[holy_roller99]

you need a special kind of clear sheet. you go on the computer and get rid of the spacer spots (any white spots that would show up when you print it) and put it on a screen printing rack. do you know anything a bout screenprinting?

[Liebensaft]

I know nothing about screenprinting sorry. I'm looking for the best quality possible for someone who isn't very good at art.

[holy_roller99]

you go to school at all?

[Liebensaft]

Oops. Yeah, high school.

[Vietnow]

The ALF is a group loosely made up of anyone who wishes to further the cause of animal liberation. There are no leaders and anyone who participates (independently of everyone else) can consider themselves a member.

It would be unfair to label everyone associated with the organization a terrorist as it is a pronounced non-violent group and all cells participate on their own. Of course the media has distorted the image of the group even if some members have used violent means to promote their cause.

All in all, contrary to what some think, the ALF is responsible for countless positive efforts in the political-activism of animal rights. If you still have doubts, think about currents events. Not all muslims are terrorists.

Edit: Most examples of the ALF's efforts includes saving animals that are in immediate danger (i.e. saving animals from labs or sabotaging hunts.

Very True. Anyone who commits murder under the name of the ALF is not the ALF. Don't listen to people who try to tell you they're a terrorist organization. Everything they do is in the name of Peace and Love.

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

Homestar runner has supplied me with the best stencil on the planet

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/Misftisomaniac/tankstencil.jpg

[holy_roller99]

you in shop or Comm Class? they would have all the info you would need to get it done. very easy module and is worth the credit.

[Liebensaft]

No shop class for me, sorry. What would be the stencil method?

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

No shop class for me, sorry. What would be the stencil method?Thin cardboard or other stiff thin material, trace it one, cut it out, spray paint or fabric paint.

[Liebensaft]

Sorry for being stupid, or uneducated in the ways of DIY, but if I don't print directly to the stencil material for painting, how would I transfer without ****ing it up, seeing as I have zero art talent.

[holy_roller99]

for single screen print and i am talking just word or a simple picture. just cut out the stencil with a pen knife. set it up in a screen rack and use a special paste or paint. lay out your t-shirt and using a rubber thing push down on the stencil with the paint and rub it across two or three times and use a special oven that has a conveyer belt to cook it. and hat is how you earn the module.

[Liebensaft]

I was thinking of printing the picture onto a manilla file folder, cutting it out with an exacto blade, and then taping it to the shirt, and painting it, and leaving it in that position to dry. How's that sound?

[ThisUserIsAPipebomb]

Sorry for being stupid, or uneducated in the ways of DIY, but if I don't print directly to the stencil material for painting, how would I transfer without ****ing it up, seeing as I have zero art talent.Well the way I did it, was use some semi transperant film, then taped the film to the back, hung it up by a window and traced through, then cut along the lines.

If you're doing it another way, print it, cut out the stencil, then place that on top of the stencil material and trace the edges, then cut that out.

I was thinking of printing the picture onto a manilla file folder, cutting it out with an exacto blade, and then taping it to the shirt, and painting it, and leaving it in that position to dry. How's that sound?

That would work perfectly well as long as your printer can handle the folder.

[holy_roller99]

might work. i jsut described the pro custom way to do it. you are probably going to use a couple of fabric pens in the process though.

[Liebensaft]

I was thinking just fabric paint. What would be the most permanent thing to use?

[holy_roller99]

either one would prabably work the same but in any other case i would say the paint

[DaveToopes]

Definitely go with fabric paint.

[Ghostfire3]

What do you guys think looks/works better, fabric paint or spray paint?? Because I have an Operation Ivy stencil and I want it to turn out nicely.

[DaveToopes]

Fabric paint on a roller. You can get spray on fabric paint though.

[coheneran]

If you live in London, there's a free screenprinting tutorial every Tuesday evening in the rampART social squat. I went today, it was good.

[ratsinthecity403]

I was thinking of printing the picture onto a manilla file folder, cutting it out with an exacto blade, and then taping it to the shirt, and painting it, and leaving it in that position to dry. How's that sound?

use double stick tape its A+++ for stencils and very mcuh worth the two$ or so you have to spend

[Anarcho Poser]

use double stick tape its A+++ for stencils and very mcuh worth the two$ or so you have to spend
I usually just scotch tape it.