Beethoven kicks butt

[GreendayIdiot]

Beethoven totally kicks all ur butts at piano-he can take u on all at once! :D

[*punk_rock_sophie*]

yer true, however i think i prefer (sp) Chopin

[clearvision]

How do you know, have you ever heard him play. You can only judge by how he wrote down his music, the guy couldn't even hear what he was writing in the end. He could have been about as good as you or me with the piano but an expert with a pen. You just don't know.

[PianoDan]

Beethoven totally kicks all ur butts at piano-he can take u on all at once! :D
Actually, I'm better than Beethoven will ever be. Even you are. He's dead.

How do you know, have you ever heard him play. You can only judge by how he wrote down his music, the guy couldn't even hear what he was writing in the end. He could have been about as good as you or me with the piano but an expert with a pen. You just don't know.
No no, none of us here are as good as Beethoven was. He was as good as his pen at least.

[PDWAB]

My pen's better than I am.

[Ned]

How do you know, have you ever heard him play. You can only judge by how he wrote down his music, the guy couldn't even hear what he was writing in the end. He could have been about as good as you or me with the piano but an expert with a pen. You just don't know.

He was reputed to be a brilliant improviser, and in the day concerts featuring Beethoven's composed music would often also include Beethoven's improvisation.

[Cecillianne]

Beethoven is nice. Though I will scream if anyone plays the short version of Fur Elise ever again.

I rate Chopin higher though.

[PianoDan]

Beethoven is nice. Though I will scream if anyone plays the short version of Fur Elise ever again.
:lol: I actually learned that when I was about 8, before finally learning the real one.

I rate Chopin higher though.
Personally, I prefer Chopin's music as well, especially his piano music. However, I think in terms of what they achieved as composers, and in the impact they both had on music, it would be fair to say that Beethoven was ahead in most regards.

[clearvision]

I think i may have touched a nerve with the 'you've never heard him play' stuff. BUt it's true, there is not a man alive that has heard rudess play and beethoven play. Alright they are totally different styles but Rudess may own Beethoven completeley. I mean how can a man that's deaf play a musical instrument, it is ALL about how it sounds. I was just making a point.

[Cecillianne]

:lol: I actually learned that when I was about 8, before finally learning the real one.

I got the shorter version around that age as well. I grew tired of it after hearing my peers play it 982594 times by the time I hit 11. Now, none of them play the long version :-/

[PDWAB]

I think i may have touched a nerve with the 'you've never heard him play' stuff. BUt it's true, there is not a man alive that has heard rudess play and beethoven play. Alright they are totally different styles but Rudess may own Beethoven completeley. I mean how can a man that's deaf play a musical instrument, it is ALL about how it sounds. I was just making a point.


He wasn't deaf his whole life, you know. And it wouldn't make much sense to compare him and Rudess, seeing as their styles, and the periods in which they play, are so different from each other.

[clearvision]

Meh I know but I'm not too into Classical stuff, so i wouldn't know any pianists of that style today. He was starting to go deaf later in life and for that reason pianos were built stronger to sound louder. My point is he could have been sloppy compared to some of the greats today. Raving about his piano skills seem slightly pointless. Talk about his pen not about his playing.

[Ned]

I think i may have touched a nerve with the 'you've never heard him play' stuff. BUt it's true, there is not a man alive that has heard rudess play and beethoven play. Alright they are totally different styles but Rudess may own Beethoven completeley. I mean how can a man that's deaf play a musical instrument, it is ALL about how it sounds. I was just making a point.

Very clumsily. We don't just know Beethoven as a composer. We also know him from his reputation as a great pianist and brilliant improvisor. You'd might as well tell us there's not a man (or woman) alive who's seen Beethoven and ask us how we can then maintain that he actually ever lived.

[Ned]

He wasn't deaf his whole life, you know. And it wouldn't make much sense to compare him and Rudess, seeing as their styles, and the periods in which they play, are so different from each other.

And, for that matter, he never went completely deaf.

[PowerRiff45]

I think Bach kicks butt

[Random_Anibas]

I personally prefer Rachmaninoff... I haven't matured much in my taste yet :D

[Cecillianne]

I personally prefer Rachmaninoff... I haven't matured much in my taste yet :D

WHERE THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN? :mad:

The forum's missed you. :(

<--Nissy.

[Random_Anibas]

www.guitarwar.com stole me :thumb:

[lamar]

I lOVE Rachmaninoff. Also Liszt. Liszt was a great improvisor. So was Chopin. Most of their music was made at the piano. While, Beethoven didn't most of the time. Beethoven, however, is EXCELLENT. He had passion, love of music, and I don't know anyone who dislikes his sonatas. Also, have you heard the Emperor Concerto (of course you have) especially the second movement. There is something about that which is moving to me. Beethoven has a way of leaving you completely satisfied after one of his songs. Also, Deafness wouldn't really ever deter his compositions. All the composers were taught perfect pitch, so he could here what was on the page in his head. Maybe everyone all ready knew that, but it doesn't seem so. I was never impressed by him being deaf because its not like he could have a symphony there playing what he wrote as he wrote it in the first place. It never detterred him. He got so angry because he wanted to hear music, not just in his head. But anyways, Beethoven rocks. His sonatas explore many emotions. They are furious, and prayfull. They are happy and said. They are love stories, and songs of the fate of death. They are really good.

[Permanent Solution]

How do you know, have you ever heard him play. You can only judge by how he wrote down his music, the guy couldn't even hear what he was writing in the end. He could have been about as good as you or me with the piano but an expert with a pen. You just don't know.
Actually, deaf people can "hear" music in a different way than other people can, but they still hear it. Sound is made in waves and vibrations, and so those vibrations can translate to sound for them. Watch "Mr. Holland's Opus" it orta addresses that issue :thumb:

[pIerre yVes]

pity all these guys are decomposing now.....composing? decomposing? same thing....right?

[P120Dude]

Beethoven totally kicks all ur butts at piano-he can take u on all at once! :D

I do agree that he was a superb Piano Player, but how can you say "he totally kicks all ur butts at piano"? That is an incorrect statement. He may be able to play better than some of us in Classical style, but I am sure that a lot of us play better than him in different styles, like Jazz or Blues. To say he kicks our butts is incorrect. That is your opinion, but still, it looks like it is put into a fact that is not correct.

P120Dude

[Lizardking13]

Actually, deaf people can "hear" music in a different way than other people can, but they still hear it. Sound is made in waves and vibrations, and so those vibrations can translate to sound for them. Watch "Mr. Holland's Opus" it orta addresses that issue :thumb:

I was going to say that. I saw that movie for the first time ever yesterday and it was great. Anyways, someone before said that Beethoven was taught perfect pitch. That's not possible. You have to be born with it. You can be taught RELATIVE pitch, however.
Also not saying that Beethoven didn't have perfect pitch.

[GreendayIdiot]

ok, cool...whats w/ u ppl and choppin, I want choppin and beethoven to have a 1 on 1 wrestling match on top a piano...then we can see who kicks the bigger butt. :naughty:

[kong88888]

ok, cool...whats w/ u ppl and choppin, I want choppin and beethoven to have a 1 on 1 wrestling match on top a piano...then we can see who kicks the bigger butt.

What does it matter who is the better wrestler? furthermore, what is the point of this thread? If you think Beethoven is the greatest composer then fine, say so, but who cares if he can 'take us all on at once'....grow up.

[Syncope]

Beethoven totally kicks all ur butts at piano-he can take u on all at once! :D
You truly are an idiot if you listen to green day. Learn how to spell. Plus he is dead and I believe Mozart is better at piano. That's just my opinion.

[GreendayIdiot]

You truly are an idiot if you listen to green day. Learn how to spell. Plus he is dead and I believe Mozart is better at piano. That's just my opinion.
If u think Greenday is bad, then what do u listen to, Mozart?
I like greenday and this whole thread is in my opinion...I respect yours if you wouldn't be rude and actually talk in a respected manor.

+...Beethoven is better...in my opinion.

[Syncope]

If u think Greenday is bad, then what do u listen to, Mozart?
I like greenday and this whole thread is in my opinion...I respect yours if you wouldn't be rude and actually talk in a respected manor.

+...Beethoven is better...in my opinion.
This is how the forums are. Believe me your going to hear worse responses then mine.

[Ned]

Actually, deaf people can "hear" music in a different way than other people can, but they still hear it. Sound is made in waves and vibrations, and so those vibrations can translate to sound for them. Watch "Mr. Holland's Opus" it orta addresses that issue :thumb:

There may be something to this, although I suspect you mean that they can FEEL it, not that they can hear it. In any case, and this is what I'm writing to say, I do not recommend that anyone watch "Mr. Holland's Opus". It's an excruciatingly awful movie.

[fuh-ck]

If u think Greenday is bad, then what do u listen to, Mozart?
I like greenday and this whole thread is in my opinion...I respect yours if you wouldn't be rude and actually talk in a respected manor.

+...Beethoven is better...in my opinion.


how you can you tell him to talk in a respected manor; your main theme in this thread was that beethoven kicked all of our butts...

[kong88888]

If u think Greenday is bad, then what do u listen to, Mozart?

how can you criticise someone for listening to Mozart after starting a thread about how much you like another classical composer?? :confused:

you truly are an idiot.

[Ned]

how you can you tell him to talk in a respected manor; your main theme in this thread was that beethoven kicked all of our butts...

A "respected manor"? Wildfell Hall, for example? How can you tell him to talk in a respected manor when he's never even been to England?

[pixiesfanyo]

Beethoven owned in Bill and Ted.

[GurS]

I've heard somewhere that Bach is supposed to be the greatest instrument player ever :/

How one would know escapes me.

The greatest pianist I've ever heard play (on recordings) was Vladimir Horowitz. Rachmaninov said that Horowitz was the only pianist in the world better than he was.

And if he was better than Rach, he must have been **** good

[TheBlackAcidChildren]

A "respected manor"? Wildfell Hall, for example?

:lol:

That made my day.
Beethoven was good - I think Mozart was probably the better musician, however.

[fuh-ck]

touche;


*you knew what a meant*

[Ned]

touche;


*you knew what a [sic] meant*

I don't give a flying fuh-ck what you MEANT. What you MEANT bores the fuh-ck out of me. Learn to speak English.

[GreendayIdiot]

Beethoven owned in Bill and Ted.

Tru dat...see u know what im talkin about, everyone else here is all like england kissey poo poo.(no offense)

[led_zep_luvr]

You truly are an idiot if you listen to green day. Learn how to spell. Plus he is dead and I believe Mozart is better at piano. That's just my opinion.


you are my favorite MXer. not just because of this one post. you just are :chug:

[ledzepdennis]

i personally HATE beethoven. almost as much as i hate spongebob ****pants.

[freakmeeko]

I never liked Beetoven, kinda prefered Vivialdi.

[Dreams of Children]

Debussy disliked the concertos of Mozart and said that Beethoven wrote badly for the piano. I very much disagree, but I respect him as a musician all the same.