Voice audio samples!

[Merkaba]

hehe, that was to get your attention.

so i got my mic back. and i was wanting to see if any of you are interested in hearing any of the stuff i talk about, like gliss, falsetto, scrape, etc. And dont go throwing a bunch of "do what jason oreantasi does in the song Shooting Blanks in My Hand...that scream that he does at the end" cause i aint gonna know it! I will post a few clips of my favorites, maybe some cornell, some apc, deftones, mudvayne. but since i live in an apartment i cant just be screaming a bunch, at least i'd rather not. So If any of you want anything or something you might not understand, post it. and i'll make a list. I will certain do some rasp because sometimes hearing it done in the raw helps you hear what you need to do. when you hear stuff all the time from studio recordings, its different than hearing it "live". I actually made a big stride by hearing mudvayne live and realizing how he was doing what he was doing just by hearing him have to pronounce it more since its live.
anyways, let me know. im out.

[Winter-seed...AKA b&h]

yea man, that would be super rad an it would help alot of people out....including me :thumb:

[j0s1ah]

can't wait to hear some stuff. btw, what kind of mic do u have?

[Danielhm1]

Merkaba-1, i was wondering if you can post some of your screams up. i have been singin for almost a yr now, and love it. I can inhale scream real good, but only just starting to get the exhale ones (falsetto / whisper). I can do the Come Push the Sun Aside part in my own summer - deftones. id you have msn please add me, danielhm1@hotmail.com

[Merkaba]

"I think god is moving, its tongue..."

well i dont inhale scream. for my own reasons. if you want, then be careful is all i can say.

I'm sure i'll put a couple of deftones type deals up.

[Levitate]

hope to hear your stuff...I appreciate all the good advice as others do ...rock on!

[Danielhm1]

Merkaba-1, i find that inhale screams do least too me.... i guess its because ive been doing them for ages, but it doesnt have any effect too my singing voice... i want to master the exhaling screams like chino though... i have a pretty good strong falsetto voice, and when we get our demo cd back i will post them up. I just need a bit of help with the exhale screaming... i just need to know the right procedure and perhaps hearing the transition from singing to screaming might help. Please add me if you have msn. Thanks

[Merkaba]

the thing about chino/mudvayne/linkin park screams, you just cant push as hard as i think alot of people think. i mean you can, and keep doing it, but you wont be able to do it for long. but the mic should be your friend. plus you have to find that point where your cords activate with the tone you want. you have to play around with that first. too much or too little air pressure and you lose it.

i was just playing around with my mic and did an inner scream that i think is pretty fukin wicked, i guess. I'm not an inner scream guy, its just not in my genre, though you could really get someones attention with it. perhaps for me it would be in some slow spacey song. for effect. not something i would do alot of.

But i will hopefully have some samples up maybe later tonight. i have to go to work though. We'll see. anyways, hopefully you can hear the transition and figure it out! chow
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here is the link to some samples and a bit of an instruction i guess. I hope it can help. If anyone wants anything else let me know!

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/merkabastarmusic.htm

[Merkaba]

bump

[Levitate]

dude, you super-rock!

the songs / screams have not cleared, Ill check tommorrow. lookin' forward to em'

[Winter-seed...AKA b&h]

dude your falsetto scream is awsome.
I can scream but wen i scream in falsetto i cant get rasp for some reason........it sucks :upset:

[UsefulIdi0t]

you should do some falsetto screams with words so we can here it a little better. other than that they are awesome

[Merkaba]

yea i thought about that after i did it. i was kinda in a hurry to put something up cause my work schedule is hectic this week. hmmm. I'll try to think up some good falsetto passes to put up. i know soundgarden will give me some ideas... already got some. Limo Wreck.....

funny, i havent written much of my own stuff with alot of falsetto.

yea, if anyone else has any other "requests" let me know.

[Merkaba]

dude your falsetto scream is awsome.
I can scream but wen i scream in falsetto i cant get rasp for some reason........it sucks :upset:

keep working. its more about the gut really. I just came up with another thing to listen to to kinda get a feel for it. if i can remember it later i'll put it up.

edit:
ok, i just recorded it, but the upload thing for the site is down for maintenance, so check back to see if i have it up. should be something like falsetto lesson 1.

[Merkaba]

by the way Jos1ah, i use a SureSM58, couldve sworn i put that up but i guess i didnt.

[Winter-seed...AKA b&h]

oh markaba man, ur a legend.
That stuff helped so much already. Im already starting to get a feel for how the scream should be.
Thanks alot for that

[Danielhm1]

Hey, great work on those audio samples, it inspired me to do a quick demo of a new song im testing with the band, i do an inhaled scream in here, im still working on the exhaling ones.
The recording is real dodgy and just done DI guitar and my shure sm58 into my laptop
http://users.cjb.net/boxplot/little%20demo-01.wma
my band can be found at www.boxplot.tk
let me know of opinions.... if anyone is looking at help with inhaled screams, let me know.... Mereka-1 awsome screaming man

[Levitate]

Merkaba - legend material - very helpful for screams - interesting stuff. Thanks for the post.

p.s. those screams are insanely ferocious. that is the real deal right there. you got it down :thumb:

[j0s1ah]

by the way Jos1ah, i use a SureSM58, couldve sworn i put that up but i guess i didnt.
check.
you have a deep speaking voice. where are u from?

[Merkaba]

check.
you have a deep speaking voice. where are u from?

lol...South Carolina

I meant to put up a disclaimer, forbidding you all from making any fun at any southern drawls, slants, rolls and or accent i have. hehe. but it was late. I've noticed that depending on my mood and the emotion, i get really gutty so to speak, or im high pitched other times. I never really thought i had a low voice. maybe because of the mood. who knows. Many people say i sound like i girl when i pick up the phone somtimes, I'm just all over the place i guess.

[j0s1ah]

lol thats weird, anytway, those screams are wicked. good job.

[Winter-seed...AKA b&h]

hey i got a question......
whats the feeling u should get on ur throat when u scream?
cause when u scream it sounds pretty alright but i get a slight scrathy feeling on my throat an im not sure if thats right.
also after practicing for about 1 an half hours my throat felt irriatted .......not sore but irritated so i dunno what im doing wrong.......coud be in not opening my throat enough?

[Merkaba]

^ i just responded in the other thread where you asked. and also, watch for over pushing.

[Emery_Walls]

Hi,

Merkaba-1 i listened to your recordings and it helped me alot from when i started with nothing. I kinda like the type of scream for the music i play (EMERY, FINCH) those types of screams

What im trying to say is do you think you can give me some tips?, im not too good yet and i wanna get good so bad. I try but i get all this stuff on how to scream but some tips tell me things that i hear is wrong and i get confused.

OR CAN ANYONE HELP ME?

thanks

PS: PLZ be kind

[Emery_Walls]

HI this is my friend WINTERSEED tell me what you think

[mactabilis]

Hey, Emery. I like that Winterseed guy, he sounds pretty good. Your's was clipping quite a lot, but sounded decent... maybe a little thin compared to your friend.

Anyway, my purpose of posting here is to once again thank Merkaba for these sound things. I wasn't sure what a scream was supposed to be like. People are always like "from the gut" and stuff, but it's really all in the raspiness I guess.

I hope you post up some more different kind of screams, maybe some non-falsetto ones. Do you have any recordings of you singing in a band or something?

[Merkaba]

Hey, Emery. I like that Winterseed guy, he sounds pretty good. Your's was clipping quite a lot, but sounded decent... maybe a little thin compared to your friend.

Anyway, my purpose of posting here is to once again thank Merkaba for these sound things. I wasn't sure what a scream was supposed to be like. People are always like "from the gut" and stuff, but it's really all in the raspiness I guess.

I hope you post up some more different kind of screams, maybe some non-falsetto ones. Do you have any recordings of you singing in a band or something?

Well over time you might realize that its still ver important to feel as though its coming from the gut. this just means that you throat isnt tense. And nah, i was in a band a few years ago, i've been doing some writing lately, but i havent really looked into trying to get back into a band because i'm concentrating on working on my voice more now. maybe next year! i do want to do some acoustic stuff though but i still havent found anyone. Im gonna do another sample or two later. but my work schedule is killing me now.

outtie

[mactabilis]

Still, am I right that there is simply no way to scream from your gut? I mean, you can get the volume of air coming from deep, but the rasp/scream sound is coming from your throat. I've been trying to scream in my gut without rasping my throat and it just doesn't happen.

[shadedlife]

i loved that inhale scream. the sharpness is absolutely killer.

[shortstorieswithtragicendings]

Merkaba, i cannot thank you enough! I think i have it down-pat, but i'll just check with the master before i go too hard at it. My technique is this: I close my throat a bit, like i'm whispering. I push out the air from my stomach and pull down on the back of my throat like you described. Then i can just alter the tone from replicating something similar to your falsetto scream (ala A Static Lullaby) to a deeper growl (ala Atreyu). There isn't any pain except a slight dryness to my throat (which i think may be because i haven't been practicing for long) and i can still talk and sing perfectly afterwards. Are there any suggestions/improvements you would make?
PS. If you would like i could post something on that soundclick site.

[shortstorieswithtragicendings]

Also, if it's not too much trouble to ask, could you please also demostrate going from singing falsetto into the falsetto scream so we can see the transition and figure out what's going on when you make that change.

[Merkaba]

Still, am I right that there is simply no way to scream from your gut? I mean, you can get the volume of air coming from deep, but the rasp/scream sound is coming from your throat. I've been trying to scream in my gut without rasping my throat and it just doesn't happen.

its written that way to give an idea through words. the sounds are generated in one spot only. The support however should come from your diaphragm. Any instructor will tell you that. Dont think about it as being in your gut, jus supported by your gut. if you make a grunt, the feel in your stomach area is what im talking about. Thats basically it. but you learn to hold this behind a note. if you grunt, youre actually rasping the same way. but you cant just grunt an extending note because theres not enough air suupported behind the cords. so grunt and youre rasping! open up and activate the cords more and youre rasping a note.

[Merkaba]

i gotta get up in three hours, go to work, then drink cord dehydrating alchol at a party. so i'll get back to the rest of you guys soon.

take it easy.

[shortstorieswithtragicendings]

Also bro, what's the most you should practice in a day? Is there a limit?

[mactabilis]

Also bro, what's the most you should practice in a day? Is there a limit?
I'd basically assume until you start to fatigue. Practice as much as you can, it can't hurt, unless it starts to physically hurt.

[mactabilis]

its written that way to give an idea through words. the sounds are generated in one spot only. The support however should come from your diaphragm. Any instructor will tell you that. Dont think about it as being in your gut, jus supported by your gut. if you make a grunt, the feel in your stomach area is what im talking about. Thats basically it. but you learn to hold this behind a note. if you grunt, youre actually rasping the same way. but you cant just grunt an extending note because theres not enough air suupported behind the cords. so grunt and youre rasping! open up and activate the cords more and youre rasping a note.
I can actually speak and sing while grunting... I've practiced it a lot. I feel like a complete dumbass for not realizing that's what I want. I just was always assuming I was doing it wrong.

[Merkaba]

Hi,

Merkaba-1 i listened to your recordings and it helped me alot from when i started with nothing. I kinda like the type of scream for the music i play (EMERY, FINCH) those types of screams

What im trying to say is do you think you can give me some tips?, im not too good yet and i wanna get good so bad. I try but i get all this stuff on how to scream but some tips tell me things that i hear is wrong and i get confused.

OR CAN ANYONE HELP ME?

thanks

PS: PLZ be kind

both of you guys sound pretty damn good. Made my eyebrows raise.
the recording is pretty hot, high level sounding. so i cant really tell if all of the distortion is coming from the electronics or your throat. thats good for live situations but not good for me to disect. It sounds like you've got it though. They sound like chest voice, so i think you might be wanting to get a higher scream i guess? i've heard like one song by finch that i can remember and it was falsetto screamin like deftones. i kinda thought about them maybe trying to be like deftones in that song. that was like last year or so ago. something about "how to burn" or something with burn in it.

anyways. it also sounds like you might be pushing pretty hard. just be careful. especially with a chest voice scream. for higher screams you just practice singing the notes first. then relax and bank the air off of your throat its pretty much the same thing except you dont use your cords the same so it takes a bit of a different feel for your brain. this is why i suggest first practicing the isolation stuff and learn to sing the note first. that way youre only using your cords and not tensing up your larynx. then you know that what youre adding isnt a combination of tense actions, but just your normal hard singin note with some throat added. i mean you can try it all in one sitting. it doesnt have to be like two weeks of isolation only. just get the feel of hitting a higher note, then try to rasp it.

sounds good. Its chest voice so be sure not to over do these. but keep at it if there is no pain or affect on your speaking voice.
good job! :thumb:

edt: hot, high level sounding was not a complement. though it does sound good. i was meaning the input was high. just thought i should clarify just incase you read it the other way.

[Merkaba]

Also bro, what's the most you should practice in a day? Is there a limit?

If it was up to me i would practice at least two hours a day. maybe four if i had time to get two, two hours sessions in or something like that. i would do this maybe like three times a week. and maybe an hour and half on the other days. one day of lighter singing. i like singing alot of less stressful stuff too, so its not all screaming.

It kinda depends on what youre doing and what youre working on.

Now after a long session you might have more mucous the next day, you might not be able to tell its all mucous, it just may feel like stiff cords. but its often stiff cords and mucous. the next day you might need a longer warm up time to get loosened back up. Like i said, for me, i prefer to have about an hour warm up time. and then some time before i start trying to kill myself. so thats an hour and half right there. just feel yourself out and you know my mottos: no pain/no speaking voice alteration. stay hydrated, use proper technique. and warm down especially after a long session.

[Emery_Walls]

both of you guys sound pretty damn good. Made my eyebrows raise.
the recording is pretty hot, high level sounding. so i cant really tell if all of the distortion is coming from the electronics or your throat. thats good for live situations but not good for me to disect. It sounds like you've got it though. They sound like chest voice, so i think you might be wanting to get a higher scream i guess? i've heard like one song by finch that i can remember and it was falsetto screamin like deftones. i kinda thought about them maybe trying to be like deftones in that song. that was like last year or so ago. something about "how to burn" or something with burn in it.

anyways. it also sounds like you might be pushing pretty hard. just be careful. especially with a chest voice scream. for higher screams you just practice singing the notes first. then relax and bank the air off of your throat its pretty much the same thing except you dont use your cords the same so it takes a bit of a different feel for your brain. this is why i suggest first practicing the isolation stuff and learn to sing the note first. that way youre only using your cords and not tensing up your larynx. then you know that what youre adding isnt a combination of tense actions, but just your normal hard singin note with some throat added. i mean you can try it all in one sitting. it doesnt have to be like two weeks of isolation only. just get the feel of hitting a higher note, then try to rasp it.

sounds good. Its chest voice so be sure not to over do these. but keep at it if there is no pain or affect on your speaking voice.
good job! :thumb:


Hey Merkaba-1

Thanks for the tips you really have helped me, and yes the song is called what it is to burn. I will keep at it and post more screams later.


:thumb: Emery

[Emery_Walls]

Hi Merkaba-1

I have another question, when you scream while saying some words like in the song WALLS BY EMERY how is this done? from what i've heard is it has to have more rasp and needs a lower note then a high pitch scream, and if you could help me out that would be cool.

[Merkaba]

I can actually speak and sing while grunting... I've practiced it a lot. I feel like a complete dumbass for not realizing that's what I want. I just was always assuming I was doing it wrong.


yea its the same but you have to open up and hold support that note, where as you dont support much when in a speaking voice. but yea, its the same feel at least. this stuff isnt much science. just practice. keep at it.

[shortstorieswithtragicendings]

I know what you mean about mucous merkaba. Woke up the other morning and it was some kinda slime factory in my mouth.

[Merkaba]

Hi Merkaba-1

I have another question, when you scream while saying some words like in the song WALLS BY EMERY how is this done? from what i've heard is it has to have more rasp and needs a lower note then a high pitch scream, and if you could help me out that would be cool.

Its a falsetto scream. thats it. hes just screaming while saying something. thats what i was saying, you should have the same feel as if youre singing that note. so practice singing that note in falsetto like youre in an opera. sing the words he's saying without the rasp first. you have to be able to make the notes first. if you can, then you add rasp. then you can do it at the same time.
of course breath support is vital with something like this.

[shortstorieswithtragicendings]

Screaming "Emery - Walls" kills your whole diaphragm if you're as bad at breathing as i am - it's like running 20 short sprints. I think i'll practice breathing some more...

[Merkaba]

Screaming "Emery - Walls" kills your whole diaphragm if you're as bad at breathing as i am - it's like running 20 short sprints. I think i'll practice breathing some more...
yea ...hehe. you should then.

but many people dont hold that pressure behind the cords. they'll open up and the air just flows right out. you should be holding like a grunt feel. but dont grunt. but thats the way the pressure should hold againts the cords.

its more about learning how to properly dam that air pressure while activating the cords. so youre probably not as bad off as you think. so think grunt, just dont grunt. sing! and relax that throat.

[Horatiu]

nice scream man.. **** i envy you

[Emery_Walls]

nice scream man.. **** i envy you

dude who's scream are you talking about?

[Winter-seed...AKA b&h]

no steve not yours :lol:

(tumbleweed rolls by)

[Emery_Walls]

no steve not yours :lol:

(tumbleweed rolls by)

Hey ALEX, arent i allowed to asume it was me, mate?

hahahahah

[Winter-seed...AKA b&h]

NO! u know how i feel about you assuming




PS: sign onto msn u fook

[Winter-seed...AKA b&h]

edt: hot, high level sounding was not a complement. though it does sound good. i was meaning the input was high. just thought i should clarify just incase you read it the other way.

:naughty: i thought u were callin me hot

nah jks i gathered that u ment it was high output

[KurtCobain2902]

My computer wont open Merkaba's sound things. Windows media player comes up and says it cannot be opened? What the fvck? Any help would be appreciated.

[drumtracks]

I will be happy to do voice over work for you as well as drum tracks...check out my voice and drums at my site.

http://www.TartarDrumStudios.com

[Merkaba]

I would flame you advertising that here...but youre a pretty **** good drummer

[drumtracks]

Thanks dude you are cool!!!! :thumb:

I would flame you advertising that here...but youre a pretty **** good drummer

[Burningwater]

Jesus man...those screams were pretty scary just alone like that...

[Merkaba]

Jesus man...those screams were pretty scary just alone like that...
:thumb:

[blahr]

Just a quick question, when you were doing those falsetto screams, basically all you were doing is saying hey and then applying the chest pressure, and then doing the throat thing?

Could you elaborate what you're doing with your throat? Like i think i have the idea but i just wanna make sure im doing it right.

Heres the DL on me, a friend of mine wants to start a screamo band, and i've always wanted to know how to scream, he gave me an offer to be the singer so i wanted to take a stab at it.

[blahr]

Just a quick question, when you were doing those falsetto screams, basically all you were doing is saying hey and then applying the chest pressure, and then doing the throat thing?

Could you elaborate what you're doing with your throat? Like i think i have the idea but i just wanna make sure im doing it right.

Heres the DL on me, a friend of mine wants to start a screamo band, and i've always wanted to know how to scream, he gave me an offer to be the singer so i wanted to take a stab at it.

actually nevermind, i messed around for a little while and i got it i think :D!! You've made my day i love you man.

[Merkaba]

I feel like I'm going to make a normal high pitched note but i use a lot of the back of my throat. Try to whisper and sing the note at the same time, with the gut pressure, i wouldnt feel comfortable saying chest pressure. For a head or chest voice note, i apply extra pressure and use the back of the throat, Like if you were saying "annnnk" as in wrong answer. You would just have to relax the throat more and form the note.

[Mozzletoffed]

what the hell

[Vitriolic Rage]

Merkaba, those screams are awesome.

[blahr]

hey merkaba, i have a scream of mine recorded but i don't have anywhere to place it so you can download it, could you email me or something and i'll send it in an attachment so you can give me some tips?

my email is bignath87@hotmail.com

Thanks in advance :)

[blahr]

also another question... i was in my car screaming my heart out (or atleast tryign to) When i was screaming i felt a tickling sensation in my throat, am i supposed to feel that?

[pd3r]

hey merkaba, do u think u can post ur screams again?

[Merkaba]

did the link not work?

[socialanxiety]

did the link not work?
The link to your site gives me a Page Cannot Be Displayed screen, and the screams you posted before are "corrupt files"

[Merkaba]

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/merkabastarmusic.htm

This is the link that works which is the one i usually refer too. I had put up some sample songs but yea they got ****ed up...I thought i had erased that thread.

[sCrEaMcArEfUlLy]

hey ive been following the merkaba chronicles quite well and had a couple questions.
- Gerard Way from my chemical romance, is his vocals just god givin like that or is it something he is doing. its like a raspy vibrato. i can't tell if thats just his voice or if its a technique
- what is the BEST way to cut back mucus ----ex. your doin a gig in an hour and have a sht ton of mucus coating your vocal cords............?
- have you heard of anyone falsettoing straight into a vibrato without a breath or rest just straight through?

[Merkaba]

1. Dont know the guy
2. I covered this a zillion times and its in my voicehelp hotline as a subject. The first thing to know is why you have the mucus. If you have a show in an hour thats not much you can do except keep warming up. I would say eat some fruit that has potassium in it, like a bananna, and some O.j. And drink some water. Actually if it were me I would drink a big glass of o.j. and two banannas about three hours before the show...every show....ideally. Not for the mucus, but so you have electrolytes. This allows you to keep your water balanced. Noone needs help getting sodium. We know that.
3. Vibrato is just a shaking...vibration....So I'm not sure what you're referring to. A falsetto note...then start vibrato without stopping. Rather simple if this is what youre referring to.

[AcidQueen]

Wow your speaking voice sounds really ****ed up. Did you used to sound like that before you started screaming?

[Rats]

Gerard Way uses horrible technique, his voice is ****ed up from it. I know this because I did the same thing and my voice sounded exactly like his...all raspy when he's talking regularly but when he sings live he sometimes has to sing like an octave lower cuz his voice is messed up.

[Merkaba]

Wow your speaking voice sounds really ****ed up. Did you used to sound like that before you started screaming?

Me? My speaking voice is fine...when i posted that it might have been late or I might have just came in from a work out...I cant remember. But I do remember trying to keep my volume down since it was late. Who knows.
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Ick...just listened to it again! Yea I remember trying to keep my volume down. I've always been a rather airy talker unless I'm excited. and I heard where i said it was five in the morning. I might post another one now that I dont have upstairs neighbors. Anyone with any requests let me know. I know someone wanted a falsetto to rasp...

[lloydapalooza]

yes could you please post a falsetto to rasp? when you do the croaking type of thing in one of your samples it doesnt really sound like your using your falsetto voice.......or maybe i just have a misunderstanding of the technique used to produce the scream.



oh yes and could you also post an example of the "try to whisper while singing" thing that you talked about in one of your posts?

[Screamin_Demon_Auz]

How about a sample of you singing any song you'd like, just because it'd be interesting to hear you actually sing a song.

Also, maybe sing your lowest and highest notes.

And maybe even an example of a growl and a scream and explain the difference for those people on this board that don't know the difference

[barclay]

Man, this makes me wanna post a sound clip of me singing to see if yall can tell me what I'm doin wrong but I'm embarassed, lol. You seem like you know what you're talking about but I just can't seem to change my voice.

[Merkaba]

Yea lloyd, I wasnt using falsetto because its easier to learn to get a safe rasp with a regular note because when youre in falsetto youre pulling harder on the cords, so the likely hood of you pulling on the throat, a no-no, so if you get it down with a lower tone you will be familiar with the placement as you go up in pitch.

Auz...I can do that....and I'm a baritone, ...So dont expect anything rediculous though.

Barclay...youre just a name on a forum for all of us....but you never know where one word or sentence of advice might could lead you. Like I said before...i was happy to start working with some new band and one guy told me that it sounded like I was holding back and I should sing harder. I took his advice that day on the way home from our second and last meeting. The band never materialized... but if i had never went through that and heard him say those words, then i might not have grown to a decent potential.

[bitterpill]

hey merkaba! your post got me diggin for my mxtabs password but dang didnt find it so registered a new one lol. but anyway recently i recorded a screamo song.. im used to writing acoustic sappy love songs n i thought of giving screamo a try.. i usually have rather squeaky talking and singing voice that most ppl i know always refer me to cartoon characters. grrrrrrrrr. lol. so this sample may sound a lil funny.. but i just wanted to know if i was doin it right n or wrong, if i should forget abt trying to scream at all or whatnot. ;p

thanks in advance!

the file: http://us.share.geocities.com/bigfatdoink/rough_cut.mp3

[bitterpill]

Err.. paste in this ur browsers url box www.geocities.com/bigfatdoink/rough_cut.mp3 i didn't know posting geocities url wouldn't work. lol. sorry about that..

[barclay]

I'll think about it, thanks man.

[lloydapalooza]

Err.. paste in this ur browsers url box www.geocities.com/bigfatdoink/rough_cut.mp3 i didn't know posting geocities url wouldn't work. lol. sorry about that..

hmm it sounds like your closing your throat off too much for the scream....it sounds sort of like one of merkaba's scream when he doesnt use any push

[Merkaba]

hey merkaba! your post got me diggin for my mxtabs password but dang didnt find it so registered a new one lol. but anyway recently i recorded a screamo song.. im used to writing acoustic sappy love songs n i thought of giving screamo a try.. i usually have rather squeaky talking and singing voice that most ppl i know always refer me to cartoon characters. grrrrrrrrr. lol. so this sample may sound a lil funny.. but i just wanted to know if i was doin it right n or wrong, if i should forget abt trying to scream at all or whatnot. ;p

thanks in advance!

the file: http://us.share.geocities.com/bigfatdoink/rough_cut.mp3
You seem to not be supporting with your diaphragm like you need to, and when you get aggressive its easier to hear. Try to sing the notes and screams. This is how you should feel them. YOu have to get the tone first...hopefully a supported tone. Youre trying to rasp so much youre forgetting about the notes. You would sound very nice if you learned. Females are so higher in pitch that a rasp is that much more sicker sounding. Lots of threads around here dealing with breath support. Practice singing and holding notes. You will only be able to hold a note long if you breathe properly. Try trial and error and the process of elimination if you need to. You should be able to hold a note for at least fifteen seconds without it crackling or running out of air, or squeezing your throat.

[spaztik]

Would it be possible for me to be able to do a falsetto scream, since I'm a bass/baritone. (I don't actually sing, but that's wat my dad told me (who does sing) that I would be).
Also, I can sort of scream but it's really high-pitched(it's weird). My voice can only go so high, and then it skips this big gap, and then it goes ridiculously high. How would I bring this down? Or bring my normal voice up?
Also,do i have to be a good singer before i can get screaming, cause I'm a pretty lousy singer...

[Merkaba]

Well I would suggest you do some glisses up and down. Some people just cant use the head voice, between lower "chest" and the really high falsetto stuff. But i cant really tell ya cause I dont really know what youre doing. As I often say, alot of falsetto screams are really falsetto, but are head notes just rasped to death. Check out my voicehelp hotline.

[Bass_Guy_Jay]

Hello all, and Merkaba, I just want to say your awesome dude, your voice, and that fact that you’re taking your time with help us :)

I am currently in a band, Seiryu, and although our songs have some soft parts (which my voice fits a bit better) we also have some pretty hard parts, and they really want me to learn how to "rasp" my voice, and also scream, as do I.

I really want to make this band sound as good as possible, and although were new, I think some of our songs have some promise, and I feel that it is my vocals that are bringing them down.

One of my favourite singers (I have lots) but a favourite local singer is Dallas Green, he has a fascinating voice, he can make it very soft, but he also has the rasp. The reason I bring this up is because people have been saying that I do sound like him a bit... but I want to be able to have the ability to go from soft, to raspy, to a scream, without hurting my vocal chords.

(I am sure you have heard this before) but I am really not interested in vocal lessons, I have had lessons before, and they never did anything for me, I always end up learning thins on my own.

I have read through this whole thread, and it has helped me a lot, but I was wondering if there was any chance you could help me with my vocals, like maybe tell me what I could fix etc. Along with any pointers from all you other guys and girls out there :)

You can find our songs at www.MySpace.com/SeiryuRock (copy link into the browser if your having trouble with it) and although we have Poison as our only song with vocals up on the site, we also have Waking Up the Storm, but were still in the process of writing the lyrics.

Also, that recording of poison was very soft, and very crappy (that’s not an excuse) but I don't sing it that soft usually, but you do get an idea.

Thanks in advance for the help :)

[Bass_Guy_Jay]

*bump

[Merkaba]

dude I've seen that post at least three times. Stuff like that is the reason why I wanted an official voice thread. People will see it in due time and respond.... quit posting the same thing ....please

[Bass_Guy_Jay]

Sorry about that Merk, didn't mean to get you upset, I didn't know which one to post in so I posted in the 2.

Again, sorry that I got you upset.

[Merkaba]

Well jay...if thats not how you usually sing....whats the use of me critiquing? It sounded...well...soft...you think its already crappy, so what am i supposed to tell you. You've got good tone. Most people do. When they start trying harder they start pulling everything harder when they really need to be relaxing harder. Youre going to have to sing harder to get a control on singing raspy. They go hand in hand. Most people that can sing raspy can sing softer...thats not a big deal and should come automatic. But if you dont have time to practice new approaches, say...outside of the judgement of your band, then I suggest you start to sing a tad harder over time and add more and more...when it is applicable of course...not all the time. The key is to relax your throat when you go for that stuff. I take it you've read my section on isolation...?? YOu need to if you havent. You should be doing glisses up and down and trying to understand that your cords are moving horizontally and not up and down as you go up and down in pitch. But the sensation of where the notes resonate...i.e. headvoice, makes it feel like you have to rise your throat up because the notes is actually moving up into your head, the frequencies resonate there more, but there should be any thing moving up much..and you should be only relaxing more so that your cords can pull across more. If youre all stiff or cant keep your throat open, then your cords can pull further.
I would say make sure youre relaxing, you dont feel much restriction from the cords when youre working them. Most of what you feel is the tension of the neck and throat muscles. And make sure you keep your jaw relaxed and let it drop down a bit, and maybe do a half smile. Practice singing normally in your speaking pitch. If you were just to make a note right now. Practice singing all vowels in that pitch...then move up one note at a time while keeping that same relaxed feel. It will help you find your cords. The higher you go, the harder it is to stay in that relaxed position.

Maybe post a sample of your normal singing of course.

[Bass_Guy_Jay]

Hey thanks Merk, I did read your isolation section, but I should read it again, and take down notes, because your audio really helped me when it came to screaming.

As for adding rasp, I am still struggling with that, but I am trying everyday, and I can usally get rasp in my voice, but only when I go higher then usually pitch, I am thinking maybe its me crackling or something.

You want an audio of my normal singing voice.... hmm, I will see what I can do (when I was singing that song, I wasn't trying to add anything to it, so maybe thats my normal singing voice)

And yeah, when I do go harder, I am sure I strain instead of relaxing, thats probably going to take awhile for me to get, but I will definatly try my hardest.

Again Merk, thanks, I have learned a lot from you over this past week, then I have in a year with just myself as a teacher, thanks :)

[gttvc]

hey, i need some help with singing raspily.
i can sing decently, i suppose, but never get any rasp, and was wondering if you could put an example of you singing with rasp on the soundclick. My favorite raspy voice is greg graffin on the old bad religion stuff, if you know what im talking about, http://www.purevolume.com/badreligion (play the second song, f*** armageddon this is hell. just to give you an idea of what i like. it seems like maybe im not pushing hard enough or in the right place, but when i push to hard my voice cracks.

also, i can only scream very quietly...if that makes sense... when i try to scream along with bands i can't do it at the right volume. what's wrong?

thanks for everything so far.

[Merkaba]

If youre Screaming "quietly"....its not a scream right? It takes push. BUt it has to come from the diaphragm. You need to practice singing. Normal singing so that you know where and what your chest and head voice is and where it seperates. I go over all of this in my hotline, and there are samples there....should be at least.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911

[mraustin0v]

Sorry for bumbing this thread but I did'nt see a point in making a new one for this. Well I just started that falsetto scream today and it kinda sounds like the singer from Rancid's voice especially on the song "Poison" on their 2000 album. I will try to get a recording on here soon to see if you could criticize it. Also, my throat is rather sore now, it has been about a half an hour since I was doing the screaming and I chugged down 2 bottles of water doing it too. Is this just because it is my firstday screaming? Though I did'nt feel any pain while I was screaming. Well thanks for all your advice Merkaba I have read almost everyone of your response's on your hotline.

**I got a bottle of gatorade and drank that and I dont have a sore throat anymore. So, I suppose I was just a little dehydrated.

[siryan]

sore throat = bad

[Toaster]

Is there any chance of you re-uploading the clips on the first page of this thread? I'm hoping they can help me, but the soundclick thing has expired.

[golfguy]

Gerard Way uses horrible technique, his voice is ****ed up from it. I know this because I did the same thing and my voice sounded exactly like his...all raspy when he's talking regularly but when he sings live he sometimes has to sing like an octave lower cuz his voice is messed up.

this is true, he just pulls chest voice as hard as he can.

that=bad!

[Merkaba]

Is there any chance of you re-uploading the clips on the first page of this thread? I'm hoping they can help me, but the soundclick thing has expired.I'll look into it. Theres a post around here somewhere where someone had the same problem but soundclick had rerouted it or something and there was a new link posted. I'll check soon. Stay tuned.

[golfguy]

I'll look into it. Theres a post around here somewhere where someone had the same problem but soundclick had rerouted it or something and there was a new link posted. I'll check soon. Stay tuned.

heres the working link to your page :wave:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pageartist.cfm?bandID=228211

[Toaster]

I'll look into it. Theres a post around here somewhere where someone had the same problem but soundclick had rerouted it or something and there was a new link posted. I'll check soon. Stay tuned.
It's fine, I just searched soundclick for "Merkaba" and found it. Thanks though.