Emo Community Thread

[AIRIC]

lol!

I w0uld but my romomate is havbing sxe with some chick and i cant';g back to the room.

I heva calc class at 8 tmrw and chem clasa t 9. no ay am i going to those lol.

Srsly though Cheris come visit me. Just ayy o0u;re lookig at hte campus and stay wity me for a weekend. ill get yo so drunk and baked you wont know what hit you. it'll be wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiicked chill.


Gav's roomate is talking about sxe with some chick in their room.

[cobert]

Gav's roomate is talking about sxe with some chick in their room.

:lol:

[Sep]

I've been completely wasted and typed fine.

Gav is over exagerrating

word.

[RetiredAt21]

Gav's roomate is talking about sxe with some chick in their room.

lolololololololololol

[Matt?]

lps in the mail
clikatat r.o.s. (mega mega mega pumped)
the pine- don't need regret (also pretty pumped)

kayo dot dowesing anemone (full on ragin boner)

[SGlove]

I only get care packages and voting letters in the mail.
I love being a broke-*** college student

[Excursions]

I stopped doing that like...a month and a half ago.

ITT: Adam is nice to Gav when he's drunk but hates him when he's sober.

Sup Adam?

Not much. I'm kinda sleepy after having a few spots (hot knifes).

[cobert]

Neil Patrick Harris is gay, I made a thread on it in th pit, even though the pit is mostly retards.

Whodathunkit.

[RetiredAt21]

Neil Patrick Harris was so funny in Harold And Kumar.

"Dude, we have to go to White Castle, we've been craving burgers all night."
"Hey, I'm craving burgers too, FUR burgers."

:lol:

[cobert]

That movie was okay overall, but the NPH parts were great, especially the coke off of the strippers ***.

[whiteminority]

I am dissapointed since he LOOOOOOOVED pussy in H&K.

"What's the extra money for?"
"I made some love stains."

[SunnyDayRealEstateAM]

yous a bunch of gays

[srt-4]

i didn't think harold and kumar was all that funny

[Luxor]

I ate mushrooms when I watched it. They started to kick in coincidentally at the part when they were riding the tiger or whatever the **** was going on. Funny movie.

[cbmartinez]

My band played a house show last night. Mad fun.

[whiteminority]

How did the Bitches Ain't **** cover go?

[Concubine]

What band is cbmartinez in?

[whiteminority]

His little local band Soul Cinema Theatre.

They are pretty ****ing tight.

[Concubine]

Do they have a myspace? I should check them out

[whiteminority]

Yes, but it's not emo or anything like that. He may call it something else but it's just pretty laid back indie.

http://www.myspace.com/soulcinematheatre

/whoring Chris's band

[cobert]

Hahaha, I thought about HS equals HS earlier today so I went on their myspace and listened to it.

[pixiesfanyo]

His little local band Soul Cinema Theatre.

They are pretty ****ing tight.

lol.

they're the kind of tight, that's like.

you're ****ing a virgin, and she's so tight you can't even get your dick inside her.

and you're like, ughhhhh.

that's the kind of tight they are.

which basically means they're pretty bad.

[Concubine]

Yes, but it's not emo or anything like that. He may call it something else but it's just pretty laid back indie.

http://www.myspace.com/soulcinematheatre

/whoring Chris's band

Im not too fond of the vocals, but overall they're pretty good.

/downloading their songs

[Matt?]

jammed today with a friend. mad fun, i'm gonna have a band soon just need a bassist

ps. who is this values here guy? new user?\

[Values Here]

Yes, but it's not emo or anything like that. He may call it something else but it's just pretty laid back indie.

http://www.myspace.com/soulcinematheatre

/whoring Chris's band

Tis sweet. I like it.

[Matt?]

hey ben do you still want to get rid of that raein lp? i'll probably buy it off of you if you still want to get rid of it

[cobert]

jammed today with a friend. mad fun, i'm gonna have a band soon just need a bassist

ps. who is this values here guy? new user?\


I think just a cool new guy.

My whole band hasnt practiced in forever, its just me and my drummer friend getting down, with me on guitar. We made two songs to add on to the one serious one we made with a bassist, but were probably not even going to show the bassist how to play these ones and instead just get a real band together with a real bassist. Cool kid, just cant play bass.

EDIT: Raddd, im going to a late-night RISK game.

The one time I had an 11PM - 6AM marathon session.

[whiteminority]

hey ben do you still want to get rid of that raein lp? i'll probably buy it off of you if you still want to get rid of it
I might be doing a trade with Chris, if he ends up not wanting to do that. I'll sell to you def.

[Matt?]

werd

[cbmartinez]

lol.

they're the kind of tight, that's like.

you're ****ing a virgin, and she's so tight you can't even get your dick inside her.

and you're like, ughhhhh.

that's the kind of tight they are.

which basically means they're pretty bad.

Yeah, we should just stick to writing shitty, contrived post rock songs in our basement.

[cbmartinez]

I might be doing a trade with Chris, if he ends up not wanting to do that. I'll sell to you def.

Did you want the Yaphet Kotto?

[Eliminator]

i saw hardcore/emo on the main page for about 5 seconds

[cbmartinez]

How did the Bitches Ain't **** cover go?

****ing awesome. 20-30 kids all singing along to the last verse. It was great.

House shows are so bomb though. My drummer did his infamous "Sabotage" cover too.

[an0therface]

Yes, but it's not emo or anything like that. He may call it something else but it's just pretty laid back indie.

http://www.myspace.com/soulcinematheatre

/whoring Chris's band

Nice work, reminds me of Mineral a little in some parts.

[Anxious]

I always try to post here but I always feel like there's something going on I'm not quite getting.

[sink sink]

new Please Inform the Captain This is a Hijack, yessss

[Eliminator]

yyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssss sssssssssssssssssssssss

[SGlove]

So guys, I was at this club, and I was with this chick.
Bought her a drink after some douche spilled it.
Dancing and the whole 9.
Tellin me to come back to her dorm.
I leave to go take a leak.
I come back and she's dancin with another chick.
Mad dykeish.
But I was like ok, this could work.
I walk up on them hookin up.
They end up leavin together.
Got played for a dyke.
Weak

[Concubine]

haha that sucks dude

[Matt?]

I always try to post here but I always feel like there's something going on I'm not quite getting.

we have improv brains.

[whiteminority]

Did you want the Yaphet Kotto?
Yes.

[pixiesfanyo]

Yeah, we should just stick to writing shitty, contrived post rock songs in our basement.

It's better than writing typical indie **** you are going to find in every town.

But even the local bands that play it and suck, are better than your music.

[RetiredAt21]

So guys, I was at this club, and I was with this chick.
Bought her a drink after some douche spilled it.
Dancing and the whole 9.
Tellin me to come back to her dorm.
I leave to go take a leak.
I come back and she's dancin with another chick.
Mad dykeish.
But I was like ok, this could work.
I walk up on them hookin up.
They end up leavin together.
Got played for a dyke.
Weak

Ouch. Dykes and their trickery. :angry:

[Matt?]

man i have been practicing guitar for the past hour. i haven't practiced guitar like this in like a year. i think i'm gonna do it every day till i can shred. even though i have no use for guitar skills, it's just better than doing nothing like i normally do.

[whiteminority]

How do you have no use for guitar skills? You are a guitarist in a band...

[Matt?]

yeah but it's not like i write hard guitar parts

[cobert]

Well now you can write hard guitar parts if you want.

RISK last night was great, even though we all almost lost to some black kid named reese from DC who was playing for the first time since he was like, 8. We were talking while playing and he said that he heard I play bass, and then asked what type of music I like. Not wanting to get complicated, i just said hardcore, and he actually knew what that was. He said "My friend in DC was in a band like that, I just remember never hearing it before and going to a show, and everyone was swinging their arms around and when he held out the mic all the kids knew the words and ****."

Cool guy, fun game.

[Matt?]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150052727155&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=005


argggh som1 buy this for me, i only have 15 bucks right now. i'll rebuy it off you if you win... :(

[srt-4]

well, ill go up to $25 for you

[Matt?]

actaully **** this **** it's gonna be way too high in 2 hours

i wish i had forty bucks lying around

[SubtleDagger]

Yeah, we should just stick to writing shitty, contrived post rock songs in our basement.
When did you turn into Niko?

[cobert]

I dont think that hes "turning into Niko" like you put it, its just that somebody said something about his band and he had to say some **** back.

[Matt?]

gar writing songs is so frustrating cause then when you like it five minutes later you listen to some songs or soemthing and it's just like wow those songs suck in comparison to this

[cobert]

Yeah, I know, and it sucks because I want to make music that I like, not music everyone else is, because that would be easy.

We are our own worst critics, brotha.

[SubtleDagger]

I dont think that hes "turning into Niko" like you put it, its just that somebody said something about his band and he had to say some **** back.
Yeah but he's doing that thing Niko does where he tries to hit close to home by being Sherlock Holmes yet totally sucks at it and comes off as a total dick

[Matt?]

Yeah, I know, and it sucks because I want to make music that I like, not music everyone else is, because that would be easy.

We are our own worst critics, brotha.

see all the bands around here are so awesome that i can't imagine playing shows with my songs. they suck so bad in comparison to all the good bands. i'm gonna get mp3's sometime and get other peeps oppinions

because mine are always frustrating

[cobert]

All the bands around here are really bad popcore that everyone likes and it sucks that nobody would like anything I like either.

Yeah but he's doing that thing Niko does where he tries to hit close to home by being Sherlock Holmes yet totally sucks at it and comes off as a total dick

Ahhh, I see I see. Maybe a little.

[pixiesfanyo]

Too bad my band is mediocre in comparsion to complete ****.

So Mr. NJ is Techinical's comeback fails.

[Luxor]

Could someone up me an Owen album? I can't find anything on Soulseek...

[cbmartinez]

When did you turn into Niko?

Shut the hell up. Jared's elitist bullshit is worse and more like Niko than me defending the music I make against someone being a dick about it.

[pixiesfanyo]

I'm an elitist because I don't like shitty typical indie rock with subpar vocals?

Oh noes.

There's a difference between being an elitist and not eating **** for breakfast.

[cbmartinez]

You have the same elitist attitude in every thread you post in. I never said you had to ****ing like the music I make but could you show an ounce of ****ing respect? A ****ing "it's not my thing" would suffice.

[pixiesfanyo]

Okay, so we're allowed to completely bash bands who don't have members on the internet forum.

But when I make fun of someone's band that has a member on the message board, because they suck. I'm suddenly a dick?

Point is plently of members on the forum make interesting, and good music.

You don't.

[cbmartinez]

Like Burt, right? Go choke on his dick while you're writing your cute little blog.

[AIRIC]

Yeah but pixies you're always a dick in every single post you've ever made on this forum ever... :confused:

[whiteminority]

Guys chill. Chris is just straight defending himself, Pixies you are going a bit over the top.

[pixiesfanyo]

I'm not going over the top.

For some reason, it's okay for people to criticize bands for making unoriginal and trite music even though they do it themselves.

If you're just playing music for **** and giggles, than there is no reason for you to criticize any other bands for doing the same thing.

As for me, I like music that acutally has a reason behind it.

I also like playing that type of music.

Don't front' niggas.
Unless you bring da' ruckus
ya know?

ghostface killah?

[cbmartinez]

Yeah but pixies you're always a dick in every single post you've ever made on this forum ever... :confused:

Yeah exactly.

Look, when it comes to a forum member's band and all you can run your mouth about is how much they suck, then don't even bother saying anything. And if you do, at least say something like I said along the lines of "really not my thing at all." It's probably because you feel you're entitled to spew your opinion on whatever because you listen to only the good music out there, but internet forum or not, have some respect/courtesy.

[AIRIC]

Yes. There's a difference between hating on a band that will never see what you have to say and hating on a band that has a member who happens to be your peer. Have a bit of respect.

[pixiesfanyo]

Yes. There's a difference between hating on a band that will never see what you have to say and hating on a band that has a member who happens to be your peer. Have a bit of respect.

No there isn't.

That's like saying there's a difference between taking a dick in the *** and a dick in the mouth.

Fact is you're still a faggot.

[AIRIC]

That's obviously ridiculous but there's no point in arguing this. You could just admit that you're in the wrong and maybe some people here would respect your opinion on things.

[cbmartinez]

Good analogy.

[AndreTheHyena]

Yes. There's a difference between hating on a band that will never see what you have to say and hating on a band that has a member who happens to be your peer. Have a bit of respect.

Don't mean to just jump in with my two cents, but this gets a big "1234". Play nice or shut the **** up.

[pixiesfanyo]

That's obviously ridiculous but there's no point in arguing this. You could just admit that you're in the wrong and maybe some people here would respect your opinion on things.

lol. okay chief.

fact is they're a ****ty band. maybe since i'm more prone to be in the alt/indie forum/genre, i'm just not impressed but a bad attempt at run of the mill indie.

i'm sure if someone just had a typical hardcore band and came in here and repped it. they'd get the **** talked out of um.

[AIRIC]

lol. okay chief.

fact is they're a ****ty band. maybe since i'm more prone to be in the alt/indie forum/genre, i'm just not impressed but a bad attempt at run of the mill indie.

i'm sure if someone just had a typical hardcore band and came in here and repped it. they'd get the **** talked out of um.

Yeah he probably would. But that's because there's also a difference between some noob who doesn't know hardcore from Bayside and Chris who happens to be a valued and respected member of this forum and knows what he's talking about.

Like I said before, just a little bit of decency and respect would get you a bit of respect.

[cbmartinez]

Yeah, if someone came in here with a generic hardcore band, I'd at least have the deceny to be like "not anything new but sounds alright," not be a straight up dick about it.

Looks like everyone agrees, too.

[pixiesfanyo]

I'll disagree with the uh.. "he knows what he's talking about."

Also, I could really give a **** less what half of the people in this forum think about me.

I'm just hear to hopefully be made aware of some hot musical ****.

So basically, the opposite of Chris's band.

lol.

[pixiesfanyo]

Yeah, if someone came in here with a generic hardcore band, I'd at least have the deceny to be like "not anything new but sounds alright," not be a straight up dick about it.

Looks like everyone agrees, too.

Probably on my bottom five bands. Everyone blows a load about how creative they are when they are just ****ing terrible. They don't have a single redeeming quality in my eyes.

OH NO CHIEF.

YOU'RE GOING TO HURT CHIODOS' FEELINGS!

show um sum respect mang.

[AndreTheHyena]

You're such a ****.

[AIRIC]

Yes but Chiodos members don't post here...

Yes. There's a difference between hating on a band that will never see what you have to say and hating on a band that has a member who happens to be your peer. Have a bit of respect.

Do you read or...?

[cbmartinez]

OH NO CHIEF.

YOU'RE GOING TO HURT CHIODOS' FEELINGS!

show um sum respect mang.

Did you miss the whole ****ing point we've been trying to make about how it's showing respect to fellow posters?

[pixiesfanyo]

Uhm.

I'm sure plently of bands that are in the "hardcore" scene. ( i know chiodos isn't a hardcore band, but they are associated with a derivative of it ) browse music forums/other means of figuring out people's opinions.

I don't see the colleration between, being judgemental of a local MXers band and a somewhat popular hardcore band.

Seems like the same thing too me.

Chris is a dece dude in my book. But his band sucks, that's the facts.

[AIRIC]

So basically because you think he's a decent dude instead of completely s'hitting on his band say "Okay it's not really my thing". That's that. That's what the whole point of this was.

[cbmartinez]

It's not the ****ing facts either considering almost everyone I've shown my band to has voiced their favorable opinion towards my band. And the few that haven't, gave some form of constructive criticism/reasoning for why they didn't like it. Not just been a ****ing dick about it.

[pixiesfanyo]

Also. To be quite honest, I mainly came to this site to post in the S&L forum.

Showing respect is being honest in my opinion.

I'd rather not be like you guys, and pretend I dig it. When in fact it just plain sucks.

Every day you get the same typical bull**** posted in the S&L thread.

Same with hearing bands.

Chris's band isn't original at all. It's typical indie.

Sure, if he's game with that. Neat. go ahead.

Point is, in my opinion it's a waste of time to even post it here.

We've all heard it. We know what it sounds like. He can just say he's in a typical indie band.

[cbmartinez]

Alright, that's you're opinion, all we're trying to say is you could have said, "Sounds like pretty typical indie, not my thing," to which I would have responded, without hostility. And while we're at it, list a couple bands that sound like my band, I'm just interested.

[AndreTheHyena]

pfy: You're just getting off on being a complete prick, acting all too cool for school, you "big man". I really can't comprehend how you can argue against the idea of being respectful.

[cbmartinez]

pfy: You're just getting off on being a complete prick, acting all too cool for school, you "big man". I really can't comprehend how you can argue against the idea of being respectful.

Yeah, exactly.

[Luxor]

Both of you are just repeating the same things over and over. It isn't going anywhere.

[pixiesfanyo]

Both of you are just repeating the same things over and over. It isn't going anywhere.

man.

this sounds familiar.

wait.

are you comparing us to chris's band?

[AndreTheHyena]

Jackass.

[AIRIC]

If only there were a shank button.

[pixiesfanyo]

i'm really just bored.

and chris is so easily excited.

it's just hilarious.

[AndreTheHyena]

If only there were a shank button.

:lol:

[cbmartinez]

man.

this sounds familiar.

wait.

are you comparing us to chris's band?

You're such a tool. Post up a link to that generic post rock **** you made.

[cobert]

man.

this sounds familiar.

wait.

are you comparing us to chris's band?


Jesus Christ that was stupid.

I didnt even want to get involved with this argument until this ****.

[pixiesfanyo]

You're such a tool. Post up a link to that generic post rock **** you made.

Okay. Lemme YSI it.

[AndreTheHyena]

You're such a tool. Post up a link to that generic post rock **** you made.

I don't know if she's your girlfriend or what, but there's a hot girl on your myspace that I hope is your girlfriend because then I'd be happy for you.

The end.

[pixiesfanyo]

http://www.sendspace.com/file/ipr033

there you go CB.

[SubtleDagger]

Shut the hell up. Jared's elitist bullshit is worse and more like Niko than me defending the music I make against someone being a dick about it.
So anyone who tells you they think your band sucks is elitist?

[Anxious]

So this is why its called the Emo Community Thread


da da ding


/leaves

[SubtleDagger]

/cuts

[SGlove]

I think like a year ago, Dfelon would've banned people by now.
Where's he been?

[pixiesfanyo]

He probably would've agreed with me acutally.

[SubtleDagger]

Who would he be banning? :|

EDIT: beaten

[SGlove]

I dunno.
I just feel like there would've been bans all over.
Especially for the use of the word fag

[SubtleDagger]

Hahaha that's probably true

[bottlerocket]

Haha, yeah, Nick does that.

[SGlove]

Where's the dude been?
Haven't seen him in a coon's age.

[bottlerocket]

I haven't been here in a while either. :(

I'm listening to Mutt. Such a good song.

[SGlove]

I can tell by the first post in the let's talk about Jared thread.
I continued it.
And then listened to the song.
And then the whole album

[World Burns To Death]

link me to chris's band

[pixiesfanyo]

Link me to Jared's band.

[pixiesfanyo]

http://www.myspace.com/soulcinematheatre

[SubtleDagger]

http://www.myspace.com/burtonwagner as long as we're whoring 9_9

Sorry though this is really dull post-rock I write in the basement of my art school

[srt-4]

the last few pages of this thread just may be the worst i can recall seeing in here. it doesn't matter if it's an internet community or a "real" community, you should still treat the other members with some decency. an unprovoked attack on another member's music should have no place here.

[pixiesfanyo]

the last few pages of this thread just may be the worst i can recall seeing in here. it doesn't matter if it's an internet community or a "real" community, you should still treat the other members with some decency. an unprovoked attack on another member's music should have no place here.

lol okay.

mr. i'm all friendly and a faggot.

why don't you take a trip to "the land of make-believe" and chill with King Friday?

[SubtleDagger]

He didn't attack him, he just said he thought the music sucked

I mean when you whore out a band that's going to happen if someone doesn't like it, I think it's lame to hold back or lie about it just because it's another member of the stupid board

[AndreTheHyena]

Once again, I can't comprehend arguing against respect.

[SubtleDagger]

It's more respectful to tell the truth about what you think about a person's music in my opinion

Not to mention it's lame and stupidly disrespectful to bash someone just because they don't like your band

[pixiesfanyo]

As well as you probably most likely can't comprehend the fact some people don't enjoy dick in their mouth.

@ andre

[srt-4]

lol okay.

mr. i'm all friendly and a faggot.

why don't you take a trip to "the land of make-believe" and chill with King Friday?
ok, e-hardass. does it make you feel good to act tough on here when you don't have the balls to do it in real life?

its not "the land of make-believe." like andre has been saying, its about respect. i have friends that make music that i'm not into, and i tell them its not my thing. but i still go out to their shows when i can to support them. i can not like thier music and still show them some repsect.

[AndreTheHyena]

As well as you probably most likely can't comprehend the fact some people don't enjoy dick in their mouth.

@ andre

;)

It seems like it'd be more respectful to offer constructive criticism instead of just dissing. And he responded in like; pfy took the piss, so Chris took the piss, and then pfy kept pushing and it escalated.

[srt-4]

It's more respectful to tell the truth about what you think about a person's music in my opinion
no, it is not respectful to mock a person's music.

[Luxor]

ok, e-hardass. does it make you feel good to act tough on here when you don't have the balls to do it in real life?

I don't really think that's the case here. He said Chris' band sucks, he didn't say he was going to come to his house and beat him up in front of his parents like Shane does. Which is so ****ing lame I can't even believe he bothers saying things like that.

[SubtleDagger]

no, it is not respectful to mock a person's music.
It's called criticism

Believe it or not criticism isn't always disrespectful

Like I said though, it's just as lame to bash someone just because they don't like your band

[AIRIC]

Yeah. Being honest and saying "Your music is ****ing horrible" is not more respectful than "I don't really dig your music". I don't see how you could ever argue that.

[SubtleDagger]

Yeah. Being honest and saying "Your music is ****ing horrible" is not more respectful than "I don't really dig your music". I don't see how you could ever argue that.
Who gives a ****

Oh right, you guys because you have your panties in a bunch

Seriously, it's unbelievable how worked up you get over someone saying a band sucks; if he had said some hxc or emo band sucked you'd let it go but god forbid he could say the same thing about someone on the board's band because bashing people you don't know is all well and good

[AIRIC]

It's also pretty unbelieveable that people find it so hard to be nice on this board. You spend enough time here you might as well make some friends.

[srt-4]

I don't really think that's the case here. He said Chris' band sucks, he didn't say he was going to come to his house and beat him up in front of his parents like Shane does. Which is so ****ing lame I can't even believe he bothers saying things like that.
so in real life, if somebody that you had hung out with for a few years showed you their music, you would tell them a mocking little analogy about how their band sucks?

sure, its lame that shane says that because we all know its just too impractical to carry out. the idea isn't lame though. people get to treat other people on the internet in a way that would certainly get their asses beat in real life. it would be nice if some *** kickings got handed out.

[srt-4]

It's also pretty unbelieveable that people find it so hard to be nice on this board. You spend enough time here you might as well make some friends.
exactly. people will spend countless hours of their life on here, but then they want to pretend that are above treating it like a real community.

[SubtleDagger]

so in real life, if somebody that you had hung out with for a few years showed you their music, you would tell them a mocking little analogy about how their band sucks?

sure, its lame that shane says that because we all know its just too impractical to carry out. the idea isn't lame though. people get to treat other people on the internet in a way that would certainly get their asses beat in real life. it would be nice if some *** kickings got handed out.
It would be nicer if you'd stop taking an internet forum so damn seriously that you're wanting to beat people up over someone saying a band sucks

The only reason the last few pages have been so ridiculous is because a select group of people can't lighten up and chill out, they have to get upset over the slightest thing at any opportunity they get because gof forbid someone say something bad about someone's band on here

People talk **** to each other in here all the time and it gets shrugged off but once someone says something about Chris' band OMG TOTAL DISRESPECT

And I find it funny you were talking about Jared being a tough guy a few posts ago when he's just goofing off and you're talking about beating his *** and sounding ridiculous

[Luxor]

so in real life, if somebody that you had hung out with for a few years showed you their music, you would tell them a mocking little analogy about how their band sucks?

sure, its lame that shane says that because we all know its just too impractical to carry out. the idea isn't lame though. people get to treat other people on the internet in a way that would certainly get their asses beat in real life. it would be nice if some *** kickings got handed out.

I would and I have.

I also thinks it's funny how someone said it would be okay to bash some "noobs" band, but not Chris' because he's an old member. New members are peoples too you stink dinks.

[SubtleDagger]

I would and I have.

I also thinks it's funny how someone said it would be okay to bash some "noobs" band, but not Chris' because he's an old member. New members are peoples too you stink dinks.
Yeah people have come in h/e a thousand times before asking for people to listen to their horrible band and they get wrecked

[AndreTheHyena]

If you're in fairly regular communication with someone, message board or not, you "know them", you're an acquaintance. The internet is chaning norms in that respect, and you can't dismiss people or be a total prick just because it's internet-based. As far as I'm concerned, relationships via a fairly tight online community should be approached and respected just as a community "in real life". It's certainly cheesy and harkens back to the anarchist idealism of treating every relationship throughout your day as a relationship between friends, lovers, or family, but I think there's some truth in it. With internet communities mirroring real "scenes", and internet friends mirroring real-life friends, I think a little more respect is due. Like I said, saying "blah blah blah, it's the internet. don't take it seriously" is moot these days, because the internet itself is changing pre-conceived notions of what makes a community or a friendship "real".

What I'm trying to get at is that I don't talk **** to the bands in my real-life scene/music community that I don't like, regardless of how awful they are, because they're just like me, and I'd expect the same from them.

[SubtleDagger]

And if Chris and Jared had any sort of valid internet relationship that would be a great point

But really Jared just listened to the music and thought it sucked, and they hardly even know each other so it's hardly disrespectful

Saying you think a band sucks is hardly grounds for blowing up on someone anyway, people say my music sucks all the time; whether they're joking or not it's not a big deal in the slightest especially since I know those people about as well as Chris "knows" Jared... it's not even close to personal

[whiteminority]

Wow, everyone shut the **** up.

[RetiredAt21]

Wow, everyone shut the **** up.

For real.

[srt-4]

If you're in fairly regular communication with someone, message board or not, you "know them", you're an acquaintance. The internet is chaning norms in that respect, and you can't dismiss people or be a total prick just because it's internet-based. As far as I'm concerned, relationships via a fairly tight online community should be approached and respected just as a community "in real life". It's certainly cheesy and harkens back to the anarchist idealism of treating every relationship throughout your day as a relationship between friends, lovers, or family, but I think there's some truth in it. With internet communities mirroring real "scenes", and internet friends mirroring real-life friends, I think a little more respect is due. Like I said, saying "blah blah blah, it's the internet. don't take it seriously" is moot these days, because the internet itself is changing pre-conceived notions of what makes a community or a friendship "real".

What I'm trying to get at is that I don't talk **** to the bands in my real-life scene/music community that I don't like, regardless of how awful they are, because they're just like me, and I'd expect the same from them.
exactly

[cbmartinez]

Burt is just covering Jared's *** for him as usual. He did not just say he didn't like my band, he was being a straight up ****ing dick about it, as usual.

Whatever, everyone seems to agree that Jared is a ****ing elitist dick, so whatever.

[SubtleDagger]

Um you're being a pretty big dick about it Chris

You tend to do that whenever someone disagrees with you

For example, did you ever actually download that technical NJ tab I worked on for like two hours

[cbmartinez]

lol no, send it to me right now on AIM

I am not a ****ing dick when someone disagrees with me. When Jared makes dumb ****ing arguments I tend to lose my patience. Or when he's a ****ing dick. Seriously 95% of his posts are negative, the only time he has something good to say is when it's about one of his precious bands that are of course pushing the boundaries of music.

[SubtleDagger]

Haha dude all he said was your band sucks, I seriously am so used to that it doesn't even come close to bothering me anymore

http://download.yousendit.com/B76EBA685AA50A20 << NJ tab

[whiteminority]

Hey guys can we not talk about this.

Thanks.

Name this quote:
ALL I EVER ASK
IS FOR A CLEAN BREAK
/voice completely shatters

[cbmartinez]

Hahaha, Burt nice tab. The first riff is not that at all. And way to tab one of the easiest songs on the album.

[SubtleDagger]

Um not really, the first riff is indeed that, I know because it's really really obvious

Also you're the one who was like OH YEAH WELL TAB THIS MISTER TECHNICAL >:|

[cbmartinez]

Nah, let me send you the track I sent sir Jared.

[cbmartinez]

Actually, can you upload that Botch tab you made too?

[SubtleDagger]

http://download.yousendit.com/26F4733D7C288871

I also have tabs for Broken Vow and Bitter And Then Some laying around

Also you're insane if you think I'm tabbing another NJ song, I was forced to listen to that track like five to ten times and that was hell

[Luxor]

Hey guys can we not talk about this.

Thanks.

Name this quote:
ALL I EVER ASK
IS FOR A CLEAN BREAK
/voice completely shatters

CTTS

Seriously 95% of his posts are negative, the only time he has something good to say is when it's about one of his precious bands that are of course pushing the boundaries of music.

Hahaha, this is true.

[bottlerocket]

HAY GUYZ WOTS GOING ON IN HERE?

Sup, guys?

[cbmartinez]

http://download.yousendit.com/26F4733D7C288871

I also have tabs for Broken Vow and Bitter And Then Some laying around

Also you're insane if you think I'm tabbing another NJ song, I was forced to listen to that track like five to ten times and that was hell

Scared? You said you didn't mind O' God, The Aftermath earlier in this thread so obviously you listen to it.

[SubtleDagger]

What no I didn't

If I did I probably meant Bless The Martyr and I also probably said it years ago when I had heard three tracks and somehow thought they were dece when they really weren't that hot

[cbmartinez]

Nah, we were talking about Redeemer and you said, "O' God, The Aftermath was only mediocre."

[bottlerocket]

Who's down for letting me crash with them for a weekend?

I need somewhere in the North East. I wandered the North East this weekend. It was nuts.

I may be in the Jersey, Philly, Maryland, etc. area this weekend or next weekend.

[SubtleDagger]

Nah, we were talking about Redeemer and you said, "O' God, The Aftermath was only mediocre."
Yeah I meant BTM my bad

BTM is mediocre wheres O' God is terrible

[bottlerocket]

BTMKTC isn't actually all too bad. I remember listening to it when it was still pretty new and not totally hating it.

[SubtleDagger]

Yeah it has a sort of very simplistic appeal but it gets old

O' God just doesn't appeal to me at all, it's just boring, whereas BTM is at least enjoyable in a stupid sort of way at times

[Matt?]

i find i've been listening to music i liked a long time ago a lot this week.

np arab on radar molar system.

[cobert]

My band had the siqqqest jam session in a long time today. Our one song was seriously intense, my throat is still kind of sore from the ending. Then we worked on these 2 new songs me and the drummer made. Im glad that our style is finally taking shape and moving in a solid direction, we're kind of starting to sound like some raddd early 90's emo stuff, its so awesome.

[Matt?]

neat get recordings

[bottlerocket]

I listen to good musix.

NP: Lovesick. Mad good.

[cobert]

We will brotha, soon enough. We might need to record up this dickhead kids house on his computer (still sounds pretty clear) because it would be impossible to do it anywhere else without paying or having siqq connections.

Also, Im debating whether or not to ever use distortion.

And I lied, not really early 90's. I dont know, its like Hot Water Music, Fugazi, Rites of Spring, and maybe a tad of Native Nod in there, but with balls-out screaming, but thats only because we cant afford mics and we pretty much have to.

EDIT: I need more stuff from The Hated, I streamed a few songs under a friend recommendation and they were awesome.

[pixiesfanyo]

I need to get in another band.

=(

by the way, at all the neg comments @ me on the last page.

lol!

[whiteminority]

BTMKTC isn't actually all too bad. I remember listening to it when it was still pretty new and not totally hating it.
Yeah that album is actually awesome.

[Matt?]

i have practiced for an hour + on guitar for the past two days.

this is the best idea i've ever had

[pixiesfanyo]

ahahaha

practicing something is the best idea you've ever had?

[SubtleDagger]

Dude don't criticize his practicing have some respect you stupid dickhead dick

[Matt?]

haha even as an exaggeration it's still a pretty damn good idea

[cbmartinez]

God damn, the Democrats better win tonight. Doesn't look like it though, seeing as the corrupt Ohio state has already started with the election fraud.

[whiteminority]

I don't see how anyone can vote for some of these douchebags running.

[cobert]

I don't see how anyone can vote for some of these douchebags running.

srsly

Rick Santorum once said something along the lines of "We might as well just legalize man on dog sex" when he was talkinga bout being against homosexuality. That actually disgusts me that he said that.

And so many of these ads are ridiculously cheap and sleazy, its terrible.

[Matt?]

omfg so many negative ads here.

mostly from some healy bitch or something

[cobert]

There was one on Real Time the other day talking about some guy calling a phone sex hotline, and after they aired it and started to discuss it, the host said 'That looks like a sketch we would do'.

[whiteminority]

Seriously, this **** about homosexuality is pissing me off. There is absolutely no bounds for it to even be a ****ing issue at all unless you bring in religious beliefs which is abso-****ing-lutely unconstitutional. Government is about determing what is ****ing just, not what is moral. What makes a straight man's erection holier than a gay man's erection?

/vents

[cobert]

Exactly. I swear Bush won the election in '04 because he avoided the war and instead made it about 2 guys kissing.


INCREASE THE PEACE (If i was running, that would be my slogan.)


NP: Blink 182 - "Emo" LOL

[whiteminority]

Dude, if you can be caught on camera being legitimately terrified by two guys holding hands then you can be elected to office in this damn country.

[RetiredAt21]

All of you need to listen to Ekkaia, they are incredible.

[bottlerocket]

Yay Democrats!

I don't align myself with any political parties but I'm stoked the Democrats took this one over. It's like a 30 to something swing in favor of the Democrats in the government right now. Preeety sick.

It's about time the Republicans gtfo.

[-:Vincent:-]

At least the republicans aren't being dicks about it.

[SGlove]

You look fuzzy.

[pixiesfanyo]

Wasn't Muzzy that ****** that taught langauges?

[cbmartinez]

Ah, sweet victory. Virginia is definitely ours.

[cobert]

Rumsfeld quit.

[cbmartinez]

Yeah, thank god for that too.

As far as gay marriage, this country just really needs to wake up and stop being so ignorant. Too many of the people in power would rather cite the Bible as a code for setting social norms than the Constitution or history and common sense for that matter. Since when is it our job to impose on other people, especially in the case of love. That's why I support marijuana legalization and abortion. I think abortion is a brutal practice but I would never infringe on someone's choice on whether or not it's a horrible thing to do.

[Matt?]

i generally feel like killing people who try talking to me about politics when they are either extreme right or left aligned.

it's like hitting your face into a wall over and over again listening to them.

[pixiesfanyo]

Yeah, thank god for that too.

As far as gay marriage, this country just really needs to wake up and stop being so ignorant. Too many of the people in power would rather cite the Bible as a code for setting social norms than the Constitution or history and common sense for that matter. Since when is it our job to impose on other people, especially in the case of love. That's why I support marijuana legalization and abortion. I think abortion is a brutal practice but I would never infringe on someone's choice on whether or not it's a horrible thing to do.

cultural lag, nigga.

[cobert]

I agree completely on abortion. Ive always felt that if i was in a position of a woman with abortion as an option, i wouldnt get one since I dont really agree with it, but I wouldnt try and make it illegal.

I never understood why marijuana was illegal. I heard some outrageous statistic about how many people are filling up prisons on minor sentences dealing with marijuana and how much money goes into keeping these prisons going, and it really pushed me over to the side that believes weed should be legal, or at least that there should be less of a penalty dealing with it.

It should be treated like alcohol, where you just cant be high in public or anything.

[pixiesfanyo]

cultural lag.

can we please not have another one of these.. hey look we say things that have been said politically a million times.

it's like PUNKVOTER.COM took out rental space in the emo thread.

[cobert]

ha.

Yeah, I forgot, were not allowed to say what we think in here anymore.

[something vague]

free thought?

cultural lag

[pixiesfanyo]

cobert ya gots b respctfall nig.

[cobert]

yop lol

Ack, dont even bring that up, that was ugly.

[cobert]

Some dude in pop-punk refuses to believe that Grade in any way influenced the genre we all call popcore. I guess he think Saosin thougt up all of this stuff on their own.

[pixiesfanyo]

Anyone in here like Team Sleep?

They ****ing rule.

Zach Hill on drums. gahhhhhhh

[whiteminority]

Ugh, please don't associate a band as good as Grade with a band as terrible as Saosin even if Grade did influence that whole genre of sound.

[pixiesfanyo]

so i take it you don't like TSOAF?

lolololololooollllllllllkololololoolololololo

[something vague]

haha

pop punk forum

haha

[World Burns To Death]

someone post the link to that video of OTMOP doing For Meg and everyone singing along.

[Matt?]

city of caterpillar owns so hard jesus i neglect this band

[Jessizzle]

today i saw a fat emo kid, it was so akward.

[Matt?]

in before the "ash"

[pixiesfanyo]

guess who just got ****ing No Heroes in the mail in one of those bad *** spray painted packages.

[cbmartinez]

I downloaded that new Circle Takes The Square live track from Starland that I saw them play from their site. I still think it's way mediocre compared to their other stuff.

[something vague]

is that the spaghetti one?

if it is, that song is great

[srt-4]

i'm not happy about this, and i'll state why. i am mostly libertarian on the issues you guys have been mentioning like homosexuality, marijuana, abortion, ect, and therefore in disagreement with the republican party. however, i think we are currently faced with issues more critical to our future.

i care most about international relations, economics, smaller government, ect. on all those republicans in general are the better choice. pie in the sky liberals have too much power in the democratic party. what happened to joe lieberman, who would have my vote for president if he ran, is a great example of how realistic views have little place in that party.

its scary that there are many in the democratic party that actually want to force a withdrawal from iraq. whether you agreed with going in or not is largely irrelavant. now that we are there, we can't leave that country in this condition. it has to be stabilized before we can withdraw, and that will take years longer.

also, i don't agree with many democrats' economic views, like their desire to raise minimum wage again or their opposition to freer trade. we need to maintain our economic position in the world by efficiency through competition. if some guy in india or china can do a low level american job for 1/10 the wage, but at a favorable 1/8 productivity, then we should focus on training our workforce to do more skilled jobs, not futilely protecting those unskilled jobs.

also, i would like less government. i think there should be more privitazation or simply the elimination of some government services. there should be more personal responsibility. environmental policy is a great example. i know many people that demand that the government take actions that will cost hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars in order to protect the environment. yet they drive cars that get 15 mpg, leave all the lights on in their house continuously, throw all kinds of stuff away that is still useful in order to get the newest and best, ect. i think if individuals relied on the government less and themselves more, we would be better off. on this republicans are the lesser of two evils.

but that said, there are some up sides to this. hopefully bush's dumbass tax cuts will get repealed. on the same note, i hope the republican party in general returns to policies of fiscal restraint. also, rumsfeld leaving is a good thing. he did have some good ideas about modernization and force structure, but he refused to accept that those models, while not necessarilly wrong, didn't apply to the current war. this resulted in a culture of denial emerging in the pentagon that was almost reminiscent of the vietnam war. i don't know much about his potential replacement yet, but a cia man bodes well. hopefully now we can deal with the war in a more realistic manner, which is the key to winning. we need to recognize that this will be a long and difficult process. once we do that, we can use more appropriate strategies.

[srt-4]

someone post the link to that video of OTMOP doing For Meg and everyone singing along.
http://media.putfile.com/formeg

i posted it in here not too long ago, and nobody cared.

[whiteminority]

Sorry to make you feel bad but you can't win a war on terror. It's like winning the war on drugs, until there is no such thing as terrorism (which is never) the war will be considered a loss.

On Iraq, I'm sorry but if they are having a civil war let them keep it a civil war and not drag in international forces (aka Us) and have foreign bodies blood shed. Bush needs to be impeached because he and his administration are responsible for the entire breakdown of the government of Iraq, yes Sadaam was bad and I'm glad he's gone, but this shouldn't be the result of the removal of political figure.

I hate the idea of our country sticking our nose where ever the hell it pleases, but if it's going to be an International Police Force then it should focus on areas of the world that need some serious help. Uganda perhaps? I hope after the 2008 election whoever the victor is that they result to slowly withdraw the United States from a point of power and back into a policy of isolationism. Washington's Farewell Address was absolutely most correct document on foreign policy.


By the way this isn't supposed to an intelligent summation of my views, but a quick overview in response to srt-4's post.

[World Burns To Death]

http://media.putfile.com/formeg

i posted it in here not too long ago, and nobody cared.
i cared!!!

[SubtleDagger]

If Republicans were so great at handling foreign relations, economics etc etc. they probably should've fixed it in the six years they've had to do it themselves

I guess they're just not cut out for that though

Also your environmental talk only proves that the government should make environmental sanctions since it clearly doesn't work in a privatized or personal manner

I seriously could care less if we pulled out of Iraq, I didn't want to be there in the first place and only a complete fool would think it's going to work as a democracy due to our actions over there

[team_racket]

Some dude in pop-punk refuses to believe that Grade in any way influenced the genre we all call popcore. I guess he think Saosin thougt up all of this stuff on their own.

trying to get that kid to open his eyes was hard. needs to do his homework.

also good call on team sleep, i really like that record. Zach Hill is pretty phenomenal.

[Matt?]

you can't just invade a country, tear it apart, and then leave it in a fierce civil war.

obviously troops should be pulled but a gradually pull will save more face and hold better for iraq itself than a full withdrawal

also i would not call bush's mistakes the mistakes of republicanism

[SubtleDagger]

you can't just invade a country, tear it apart, and then leave it in a fierce civil war.

obviously troops should be pulled but a gradually pull will save more face and hold better for iraq itself than a full withdrawal
Of course we don't want to just pull everyone since that would immediately destabilize the region and make us look bad

But to be quite honest I expect Iraq to go down the ****ter whether we're there or not, a civil war is likely regardless of us being there or not

A phased withdrawal works, but staying there is just making things worse for both countries
also i would not call bush's mistakes the mistakes of republicanism
I wouldn't either, I'd call his administration's and the House/Senate's mistakes the mistakes of conservatism

[cbmartinez]

i'm not happy about this, and i'll state why. i am mostly libertarian on the issues you guys have been mentioning like homosexuality, marijuana, abortion, ect, and therefore in disagreement with the republican party. however, i think we are currently faced with issues more critical to our future.

i care most about international relations, economics, smaller government, ect. on all those republicans in general are the better choice. pie in the sky liberals have too much power in the democratic party. what happened to joe lieberman, who would have my vote for president if he ran, is a great example of how realistic views have little place in that party.

its scary that there are many in the democratic party that actually want to force a withdrawal from iraq. whether you agreed with going in or not is largely irrelavant. now that we are there, we can't leave that country in this condition. it has to be stabilized before we can withdraw, and that will take years longer.

also, i don't agree with many democrats' economic views, like their desire to raise minimum wage again or their opposition to freer trade. we need to maintain our economic position in the world by efficiency through competition. if some guy in india or china can do a low level american job for 1/10 the wage, but at a favorable 1/8 productivity, then we should focus on training our workforce to do more skilled jobs, not futilely protecting those unskilled jobs.

also, i would like less government. i think there should be more privitazation or simply the elimination of some government services. there should be more personal responsibility. environmental policy is a great example. i know many people that demand that the government take actions that will cost hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars in order to protect the environment. yet they drive cars that get 15 mpg, leave all the lights on in their house continuously, throw all kinds of stuff away that is still useful in order to get the newest and best, ect. i think if individuals relied on the government less and themselves more, we would be better off. on this republicans are the lesser of two evils.

but that said, there are some up sides to this. hopefully bush's dumbass tax cuts will get repealed. on the same note, i hope the republican party in general returns to policies of fiscal restraint. also, rumsfeld leaving is a good thing. he did have some good ideas about modernization and force structure, but he refused to accept that those models, while not necessarilly wrong, didn't apply to the current war. this resulted in a culture of denial emerging in the pentagon that was almost reminiscent of the vietnam war. i don't know much about his potential replacement yet, but a cia man bodes well. hopefully now we can deal with the war in a more realistic manner, which is the key to winning. we need to recognize that this will be a long and difficult process. once we do that, we can use more appropriate strategies.

I definitely do not agree with the cut and run ideal and I think most of the Democratic party knows that cutting and running would do more damage then good. Leaving Iraq in shambles would serve as a breeding ground for terrorism and basically make us more enemies than when we went in. But the fact is, secretarian violence is killing our troops and something needs to be done about it. I personally think Joe Biden's proposition should be looked into. But the bottom line, there is far too much secretarian violence and the newly formed Iraqi govt cannot handle it. Especially seeing how their police forces are made up of Sunnis who have the people of Iraq dumbfounded as to whom to trust because they see Shi'ite's being murdered by Sunni extremists in Iraqi police garb.

As far as environmental policy, I think the Democrats are more in favor of alternative energy sources than the big business GOP. A few days ago, George Bush all but stated that we were still in Iraq because we want control of their oil reserves.

[Matt?]

vietnam 2: iraq

[cbmartinez]

New topic:

The legalize marijuana intiative got defeated. :angry:

[whiteminority]

It's not a Vietnam because we have a economic reason to be there, not a good reason or even a legitmate reason but a reason. Vietnam was purely us being dumb****s and deciding to intervene in a war that had absolutely nothing to do with us. I also know many people who are veterans of this war because the life expectancy of a soldier in Iraq is astronomically better than that of Vietnam soldiers.

[whiteminority]

New topic:

The legalize marijuana intiative got defeated. :angry:
Yeah, stingy ****s. I was hoping this would pass then sweep the nation in 2008, and I would be able to toke freely.

[Matt?]

obviously it's not the same but there are parallels in the way the war is fought, and the difficulties in finishing what we started.

[whiteminority]

The only similarity I see is the unpopularity, the administration being very close-minded, and going into war which had nothing to with us.

[SubtleDagger]

And fighting a war in a place that is completely different on a cultural level

[Matt?]

there are many, the fighting itself is similar albeit completely different terrain.

more importantly it's vietnam esque in the way that we don't seem to have a really good idea of what to do now that we're in.

[cobert]

Yeah, we went into Vietnam with a stupid "OMG DEYR COMMIES LETS GETUM!!!" mentality, and got raped for more than half of a decade.

Now everyone shhhh, Jericho is on.

[cbmartinez]

It's similar in the fact that the psychological effects on the minds of our troops have drive them to violate ethical principles of war.

[cobert]

I ended up missing like, every other 5 minutes of Jericho, now I have to wait until tomorrow.

Democrats won in Virginia.

[srt-4]

I definitely do not agree with the cut and run ideal and I think most of the Democratic party knows that cutting and running would do more damage then good. Leaving Iraq in shambles would serve as a breeding ground for terrorism and basically make us more enemies than when we went in. But the fact is, secretarian violence is killing our troops and something needs to be done about it. I personally think Joe Biden's proposition should be looked into. But the bottom line, there is far too much secretarian violence and the newly formed Iraqi govt cannot handle it. Especially seeing how their police forces are made up of Sunnis who have the people of Iraq dumbfounded as to whom to trust because they see Shi'ite's being murdered by Sunni extremists in Iraqi police garb.

As far as environmental policy, I think the Democrats are more in favor of alternative energy sources than the big business GOP. A few days ago, George Bush all but stated that we were still in Iraq because we want control of their oil reserves.
i like that you have informed opinions. too many people have strong opinions but no real understanding. ya, i'm thinking something along the lines of biden's plan will probably be the way to go. although, point five of his "five-point plan", the withdraw of most troops within a little over a year, i don't agree with at all. there still will be strong actors inside iraq working against any compromise. putting any date on a troop withdraw will work against us, no matter what the plan being put in place is. and i think the role iran would play in that situation needs to be considered very thoroughly, particularly the relation they would form with the shi'a area.

subtledagger, i believe the government has a role in establishing reasonable environmental regulations, and most importantly, in encouraging technological innovations to address the problems. i don't believe it should enact strict measures that would harm the economy. if the segments of society that place value on this issue aren't willing to make sacrifices for it, then how is it fair for the government to force the country as a whole to bear the burden?

and ben, washington's farewell address is very misunderstood. that section of it has no relevance to today's world. it was intended to protect us. the united states wasn't powerful. getting involved in europe's wars would likely have ended very badly for us. we needed to grow up. we weren't even a great power, let alone the leading power, until the mid 19th century. now we are the greatest power in the world. we can't withdraw from world politics. having an empire in the world, especially one as comparatively benevolent as us, is good for the world. for example, the world advanced greatly under the british, who we inherited world leadership from. it has similarly advanced with us as the world power. on the other hand, take the clearest case in history of hegemonic collapse without a natural successor, the fall of the roman empire. western civilization by most general accounts was set back centuries. in general, civilization advances under empire, not apolarity. and better us than if we had let the soviet union dominate the world, or possibly china in the years to come.

[whiteminority]

Ok, I understand the relevance of what Washington was saying at the time, the growing favortism of the Federalists to Britain and Republicans to France etc., however, this would have ensured our country peace if we had chosen to stay out of the imperialism rush of the late 19th century and early 20th century. Yes it would be completely impossible to instantaneously withdraw as the superpower, yet this doesn't touch the fact that we can slowly withdraw over a period of time. It is possible to be a neutral country in today's society, please have a look at Switzerland. We need to pull out of Iraq because as Chris stated it's going down the shitter anyways along with that entire region, better to get out now then have to waste more American lives. People have anger and direct military and terrorist actions at this country because we have a hand in all international affairs and allow our citizens to claim that we are the greatest nation in the world. This war on terror is nothing unique really, if during the 19th century there was the technology available today Great Britain or Prussia/Germany (depending on what part of the century) would be conducting a war on terror because of the uprisings and rebellions that would happen throughout it's colonies. I also again want to state how ignorant it is for our nation to be at with "terror". I could declare today that I am at war with racism but know that it will never be eradicated. So by declaring war on something so vague and large the government is merely setting itself up for a fall. Politicians or rednecks or flag humping people may call me a coward but I believe in cut and run I am not willing to have another soldier meet their untimely demise by Iraqi insurgency because our government is trying to create a puppet government in Iraq right now. If you do not believe that a puppet government is what is trying to be created please think about it, yes we are trying to create a government friendly to ours, but with all the violence that is occuring military officials have basically been in command of Iraq. I would rather have our soldiers home alive and our politicians called cowards because we withdrew then have more families grieving over the loss of their children/parents/siblings. Life is a bit more precious to me than power.

[Matt?]

you can't just cut and run though. this might be a pretty damn controversial oppinion but us soldiers enlist with the knowledge of the dangers of war, and i think that pulling all of the troops out at this moment is the wrong idea.

the problem is that with our country's "mission statement" (if you would call it that) after leaving iraq there would be extreme hostility and civil war, which really is a bad thing for our image / foreign policy and politics. if anything we need to hold our ground at least until the time is right, which to be honest seems more and more like a date that will never arrive due to lacking supplies for troops / and a resilient enemy that really doesn't seem like it's gonna just give up

[whiteminority]

Yeah, all soldiers know the dangers of war, but they don't believe they're going to die.

That's the point, I used to believe that we should wait until the time is right, but that time is not going to come. Our image may take a hit, but that civil war was going to come no matter what. I may get **** on for saying this, but if they want war let them have it.

[RetiredAt21]

Guys, start talking about emo.

I WUV HAWTHORNE HEIGHTS

[whiteminority]

So I thought about my ex a couple weeks ago and wrote a poem, is that emo enough for you Justin?

[AndreTheHyena]

I wrote a poem about my girlfriend's boobs the other day.

Which Hot Water Music records are their best? I already have Caution, which I love.

[whiteminority]

A Flight and a Crash

[-:Vincent:-]

Sometimes I slit my wrists...........hahaha, psh. I don't like what the word "emo" has turned into. The original emo was nothing like hawthorne heights or anything like it.

[SubtleDagger]

You're preaching to the choir

[Matt?]

vincent welcome to the board! nice hair i used to have mine like that but i got it cut :-(

but u kno not evry1 can have tastes like us u kno? whrd you learn so much about emo in japan u know more than i do and i live in the us

:-*

[cobert]

A Flight and a Crash

I need to hear more of their old stuff. I have the three epitaph studio albums and I especially love AFAAC.

I need someone to hook me up with all their old ****.

[-:Vincent:-]

...

[cobert]

Gotta wake up at 6 tomorrow to go to a talk for Westinghouse Science thing about the process used to identify Czar Nicholas.

[pixiesfanyo]

Mare is so ****ing cool.

I hope to god, they acutally release an LP

[RetiredAt21]

So I thought about my ex a couple weeks ago and wrote a poem, is that emo enough for you Justin?

Definitely. That's so emo, it's almost TOO emo.

[SubtleDagger]

Lincoln rules hard

HARD

[cobert]

The drummer from Gospel is more insane than I remembered.

[pixiesfanyo]

Drummer from Gospel is ridic good.

[srt-4]

ya, vinny is way talented. also, the new song they have been playing is awesome.

[srt-4]

Ok, I understand the relevance of what Washington was saying at the time, the growing favortism of the Federalists to Britain and Republicans to France etc., however, this would have ensured our country peace if we had chosen to stay out of the imperialism rush of the late 19th century and early 20th century. Yes it would be completely impossible to instantaneously withdraw as the superpower, yet this doesn't touch the fact that we can slowly withdraw over a period of time. It is possible to be a neutral country in today's society, please have a look at Switzerland. We need to pull out of Iraq because as Chris stated it's going down the shitter anyways along with that entire region, better to get out now then have to waste more American lives. People have anger and direct military and terrorist actions at this country because we have a hand in all international affairs and allow our citizens to claim that we are the greatest nation in the world. This war on terror is nothing unique really, if during the 19th century there was the technology available today Great Britain or Prussia/Germany (depending on what part of the century) would be conducting a war on terror because of the uprisings and rebellions that would happen throughout it's colonies. I also again want to state how ignorant it is for our nation to be at with "terror". I could declare today that I am at war with racism but know that it will never be eradicated. So by declaring war on something so vague and large the government is merely setting itself up for a fall. Politicians or rednecks or flag humping people may call me a coward but I believe in cut and run I am not willing to have another soldier meet their untimely demise by Iraqi insurgency because our government is trying to create a puppet government in Iraq right now. If you do not believe that a puppet government is what is trying to be created please think about it, yes we are trying to create a government friendly to ours, but with all the violence that is occuring military officials have basically been in command of Iraq. I would rather have our soldiers home alive and our politicians called cowards because we withdrew then have more families grieving over the loss of their children/parents/siblings. Life is a bit more precious to me than power.
i would ask that you read the arguments on the other side of that opinion.

"colossus: the rise and fall of the American empire" by niall ferguson was written with one of the primary purposes being to address people such as yourself that hope the United States will withdraw from world leadership. and the guy isn't a "politician, redneck, or flag humper." he's not even American, he's from the UK, but he holds nearly the exact opposite views as you on this issue. but don't worry, he isn't just some random guy that decided to right a book:

"Niall Ferguson, MA, D.Phil., is the Laurence A. Tisch Professor of History at Harvard University. He is a resident faculty member of the Minda de Gunzburg Center for European Studies. He is also a Senior Research Fellow of Jesus College, Oxford University, and a Senior Fellow of the Hoover Institution, Stanford University."

and if you don't read the book, at least read this:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005244

its a great introduction to/summation of the views he presents in that book.

[RetiredAt21]

Drummer from Gospel is ridic good.

The guy from 1349 blows him out of the water.

[whiteminority]

That was an interesting read, but he had one key error. He mentioned earlier that history is more prone to multipolarity and that hyperpowers always tend to fall after a brief period, he then went on to state that by the withdrawl of America as the current "hyperpower" the world is most likely to visit a period of darkness a la the dark ages. The option of withdrawl as leader will not be the advent of a muslim hegemon, far from it. None of the countries in that region are anywhere strong enough to be able to ascend to power whatsoever. He mentioned China as the only viable Asian Tiger power that would be able to suceed the United States, however, this is incorrect because there are a few other powers in the region that could fill this void. But I digress, the point is there is no need to fill this void whatsoever, a stable balance of a series of world powers can better keep the balance than one single power. If the United States were to withdraw the global organizations that were mentioned (UN, WGO, World Bank, etc.) would have their powers increased and could successfully work as a group of leading powers able to sway world opionion granted the United States would have to cede a certain amount of power to these organizations, but that is something that would be dealt with at the time. With these organizations in power working together a balance would occur as opposed to complete cultural obliteration, as he stated in his article.

[whiteminority]

The guy from 1349 blows him out of the water.
Psssh.

[RetiredAt21]

C'mon, you know it's true. Faust (or Frost...can't remember his name...) is amazing. AMAZING.