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SunnyDayRealEstateAM
10-10-2006, 07:19 PM
Rap is very fun.

Matt?
10-10-2006, 07:37 PM
sunny day real estate rullles

48 is so tight

pixiesfanyo
10-10-2006, 07:52 PM
There's like an extended version of 48, it rools even harder than the original version.

Matt?
10-10-2006, 07:55 PM
i need to dl that

Luxor
10-10-2006, 07:55 PM
how it feels to be something on > diary

SubtleDagger
10-10-2006, 07:57 PM
I like Dashboard Confessional before they went electric.

Just thought I'd tell all you emo kids with your thick-rimmed glasses and black goofy haircuts //_9

Luxor
10-10-2006, 07:58 PM
>_>

<_<

I like the summers kiss ep

SubtleDagger
10-10-2006, 08:01 PM
Summers Kiss is sweet as hell but So Impossible is just a bit better

Luxor
10-10-2006, 08:05 PM
Shh, we're gonna get beat up.

Matt?
10-10-2006, 08:08 PM
there used to be a girl when i was in middle school that listened to dashboard and for some reason i had a really bizarre dream that my teacher forced our class to get into pairs, go into sleeping bags, and have sex. and she was my partner.

pixiesfanyo
10-10-2006, 08:12 PM
how it feels to be something on > diary

so untrue it hurts.

How It Feels, sounds like ****ing new age **** at times.

Luxor
10-10-2006, 08:28 PM
explain the term ****ing new age **** plz sir

cbmartinez
10-10-2006, 08:37 PM
For the record, North Korea could never nuke the United States, fools. If Japan were to stop being our ally, then we would have a problem. But Japan would stop anything coming out of Korea, and even if they failed, we would stop it.

SunnyDayRealEstateAM
10-10-2006, 08:41 PM
The world is one big giant joke.

whiteminority
10-10-2006, 08:43 PM
For the record, North Korea could never nuke the United States, fools. If Japan were to stop being our ally, then we would have a problem. But Japan would stop anything coming out of Korea, and even if they failed, we would stop it.
Chris I just realized that your avatar is a Sunn O))) cover. Is it any good?

cbmartinez
10-10-2006, 08:43 PM
Don't be spiteful because you don't understand politics.

cbmartinez
10-10-2006, 08:45 PM
Chris I just realized that your avatar is a Sunn O))) cover. Is it any good?

Of course, Sunn o))) is incredible. This is the cover for Black One, their best album. I have about 4 or 5 of their albums.

whiteminority
10-10-2006, 08:47 PM
Damn I should of got it when I saw it at the record store today. It was that or Jane Doe and I wanted to have a hard copy of Jane Doe so I grabbed it instead.

cbmartinez
10-10-2006, 08:49 PM
Bad call, you can get Jane Doe anywhere.

whiteminority
10-10-2006, 08:52 PM
Very true, I'll pick up when I go back to Tennessee at Disc Exchange though, I know they have it there.

cbmartinez
10-10-2006, 08:54 PM
I wish I could find a hard copy of one of their CDs around here. Their colloboration album with Boris comes out on Halloween I think.

The new mewithoutYou isn't too bad actually.

whiteminority
10-10-2006, 09:04 PM
I've heard only good things about it.

White Goodman
10-10-2006, 09:06 PM
The new mewithoutYou isn't too bad actually.

Its really mellow, but overall I enjoy it a lot.

pixiesfanyo
10-10-2006, 09:27 PM
eh. Sunn0))) is overrated in my opinion.

Earth is much better.

SubtleDagger
10-10-2006, 10:23 PM
Shh, we're gonna get beat up.
I will throw down for my D/C love werd ^

Matt?
10-10-2006, 10:28 PM
even as much of an unbelievable deal i am getting from ape must not kill ape

i must unfortunately postpone it for next week. as a new deal that don't wait for nobody has come into my grasps

whiteminority
10-10-2006, 10:32 PM
What you getting Matt?

Matt?
10-10-2006, 11:14 PM
constatine sankathi disco

very reasonably priced

i just can't afford it after ordering forty bucks of stuff from marianne hoffapekillape

whiteminority
10-10-2006, 11:24 PM
ahhh

Matt?
10-10-2006, 11:26 PM
howz ur huntins been?

whiteminority
10-10-2006, 11:42 PM
Not bad, trying to get the Pig Destroyer / Benumb 3" cd split.

bottlerocket
10-10-2006, 11:50 PM
Hey, what's going on?

-Gav

pixiesfanyo
10-10-2006, 11:56 PM
You being lame.

kekekekke

SubtleDagger
10-11-2006, 03:15 AM
http://download.yousendit.com/7AE8A5D52893C23C

Guitar and bass tab for Botch's "To Our Friends in the Great White North"

I demand appreesh since this took frigging forever, whereas the crappy Norma Jean crap took like an hour and a half

whiteminority
10-11-2006, 03:40 AM
**** YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DEFINATELY APPRESH'D!

SubtleDagger
10-11-2006, 03:43 AM
Oh cool

Hope you have a five string because otherwise you'll be hitting 7's on the E a lot

whiteminority
10-11-2006, 03:52 AM
Hello 7th fret it is then. Good tab man, thanks!

SubtleDagger
10-11-2006, 03:53 AM
np

It is hard to play T_T

Luxor
10-11-2006, 11:14 AM
what's up with the avatar thing... and why does jarred still have his?

RetiredAt21
10-11-2006, 11:20 AM
I've never had an avatar. I'm the OG.

Jessizzle
10-11-2006, 11:22 AM
hey gav...
give me a big avatar...
>_>

ps: everyone is at school.
mxers amuse me
aim- Jessizzle63

Luxor
10-11-2006, 11:42 AM
and why aren't you? playin' hookey?

Jessizzle
10-11-2006, 11:48 AM
i was at school, then i ran out of class and puked like hell, so i was sent home.

SubtleDagger
10-11-2006, 11:55 AM
what's up with the avatar thing... and why does jarred still have his?
Jared got his in a contest.

pixiesfanyo
10-11-2006, 12:06 PM
I think what Burt meant too say is, "I'm a real street N****"

whiteminority
10-11-2006, 12:46 PM
You being lame.

kekekekke
Backed

srt-4
10-11-2006, 01:12 PM
For the record, North Korea could never nuke the United States, fools. If Japan were to stop being our ally, then we would have a problem. But Japan would stop anything coming out of Korea, and even if they failed, we would stop it.
north korea couldn't nuke the US because they don't have the missiles to reach us yet. you have the situation backwards. the US has had an aegis destroyer presence in the sea of japan for over a year now, in the hopes that it would be able to shoot down a ballistic missile headed for japan. japan is, and has been since world war II, militarilly depedent on the US.

and a worry for some is that if japan changes this situation by building up its military and going nuclear, which it could do very fast, that it would lead to an arms race with china and regional destabilization.

bottlerocket
10-11-2006, 01:14 PM
Deal with it guys. I'm not the bad guy here.

-Gav

whiteminority
10-11-2006, 01:16 PM
How are you not?

SubtleDagger
10-11-2006, 01:17 PM
He's not the one who gave out avatars for no real reason

srt-4
10-11-2006, 01:22 PM
i don't like it when this place gets over-moderated

bottlerocket
10-11-2006, 01:26 PM
He's not the one who gave out avatars for no real reason

I did give Ben and Ryan ones for no reason (whiteminority and Luxor). :(

srt: Well that's good, then, because we're not overmoderating in any sense of the word.

-Gav

SubtleDagger
10-11-2006, 01:30 PM
Yes but I forgive you Gav -_-

Handing out big avatars to whoever wants them is overmoderating imho, if mods hand out avatars to everyone they approve of that asks, it's special treatment

bottlerocket
10-11-2006, 01:33 PM
BURT, HIT ME UP WITH SOME OF THAT HATERADEEEEE.

-Gav

whiteminority
10-11-2006, 01:33 PM
I take back what I said about you Gavykins. I'm still pissed I don't have a big avatar but not pissed at you.

bottlerocket
10-11-2006, 01:34 PM
It's cooolllllll.

-Gav

SubtleDagger
10-11-2006, 01:36 PM
I take back what I said about you Gavykins. I'm still pissed I don't have a big avatar but not pissed at you.
Well you can't be pissed at me since I took like a million years to tab that song out >_>

bottlerocket
10-11-2006, 01:39 PM
Burt, how's the Haterade taste? :p

Dance on KFS' Jochem ep >>>> Dance on KFS' full length

-Gav

whiteminority
10-11-2006, 01:39 PM
I'm not at you Burt, that tab owns.

Luxor
10-11-2006, 01:40 PM
Yes but I forgive you Gav -_-

Handing out big avatars to whoever wants them is overmoderating imho, if mods hand out avatars to everyone they approve of that asks, it's special treatment

because having a bigger picture beside our names is such a huge deal. 99% of the people who had/have them are good users anyway. gav gave me one because i've uploaded like 3 albums for him.

but whatever, p00p on the party if you feel like it.

SubtleDagger
10-11-2006, 01:40 PM
Haha, it's hard

Haterade is apparently FIERCE and also NEW & BOLD
because having a bigger picture beside our names is such a huge deal. 99% of the people who had/have them are good users anyway. gav gave me one because i've uploaded like 3 albums for him.

but whatever, p00p on the party if you feel like it.
I don't disrespect any of you as users, but if people who don't win contests get them then there's no reason all kinds of other people get them and then it starts smacking of favoritism. It's just better if the rule is contest winners only

I say mods start handing out rep instead of big avatars if someone's cool by them or helps them out with music or something

srt-4
10-11-2006, 01:45 PM
"North Korea stoked regional tensions Wednesday, threatening more nuclear tests and saying additional sanctions imposed on it would be considered an act of war....

Further pressure will be countered with physical retaliation, the North's Foreign Ministry warned in a statement carried by the official Korean Central News Agency.

'If the U.S. keeps pestering us and increases pressure, we will regard it as a declaration of war and will take a series of physical corresponding measures,'"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15217370/

south korea and australia have their troops preparing for nuclear warfare, and japan has imposed new sanctions on north korea and closed its ports to north korean vessels.

srt-4
10-11-2006, 02:46 PM
shamrock got his *** kicked again.

Matt?
10-11-2006, 04:07 PM
north korea is seriously threatening to declare war on us...

all we really need is to make sure china is in check. as long as china is on our side, and japan keeps it's cool then this doesn't seem like it should pose a problem.

and if japan doesn't cool down they possibly will be owned again

Matt?
10-11-2006, 04:12 PM
ps. what does rep do?

i remember the stars. but what now...

srt-4
10-11-2006, 04:27 PM
well, we don't want them to nuke south korea or japan, which is what would happen if they went to war with "us". you seem to think japan is hostile towards us. its the opposite. japan, along with britain, is pretty much the most solid ally we have in the world.

basically, north korea and china are allies. japan and the US are allies. south korea is an ally of the US and japan somewhat, but it doesn't want to take too hard of a line with its "brother" in the north most of the time, and it fears japan's power due to the history between the two nations. so it isn't too reliable.

who knows what china would do. china's leadership doesn't even know what they would do. they are pissed at north korea for doing this, not because they fear north korea having the bomb, but because it will probably mean a japanese military buildup as a response to north korea having the bomb. china and japan are rivals for regional hegemony. so a japanese military buildup is the last thing that china wants, so therefore china doesn't want north korea to have nukes. but if it came to military action against north korea, who knows what china would do. at best they would sit it out. at worst they could fight against us like they did the last time the US fought north korea.

whiteminority
10-11-2006, 04:33 PM
God damn the world pisses me off.

Matt?
10-11-2006, 04:38 PM
no japan is definitely our allie in this situation, i meant keep it's cool in response to these nuke testings. don't push n. korea farther than they need to be pushed

china truely is key to keeping this pretty smooth

bottlerocket
10-11-2006, 04:56 PM
Seriously, if not nuclear war, global warming will kill us.

We're wiped out in 10 years, tops.

-Gav

Matt?
10-11-2006, 04:58 PM
rofl doubt it but who knows

srt-4
10-11-2006, 05:01 PM
no japan is definitely our allie in this situation, i meant keep it's cool in response to these nuke testings. don't push n. korea farther than they need to be pushed

china truely is key to keeping this pretty smooth
i agree

SGlove
10-11-2006, 06:12 PM
Nostradamous predicted something about 2012..
Something about a great war.. or something..
I have to brush up on it, but you're probably right Gav.

cobert
10-11-2006, 06:12 PM
WHEEEERE WERE YOOOOOU
HOPE TO CHAIN THIS MEMORY!!!!!!

/late

Brain Toad
10-11-2006, 06:14 PM
Nostradamous predicted something about 2012..
Something about a great war.. or something..
I have to brush up on it, but you're probably right Gav.

It wasn't Nostradmus, it was the Mayans who predicted a change on 12/21/12 because of the way their calendar worked
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayan_Calendar#2012

And China won't ally with us, but they won't let N.Kora nuke us either, their exports to the US is a bring part of their economy.

srt-4
10-11-2006, 06:25 PM
well, apparently they have very little control over north korea, so i don't think that will help. but, ya, as far relations between china and the US go, economic interdpendence is definitely a moderating influence.

google bought youtube. "Google said it could insert ads inside the videos as well as serve up text-based ads based on a more robust video search function on YouTube." that sucks.

AIRIC
10-11-2006, 06:27 PM
well, apparently they have very little control over north korea, so i don't think that will help. but, ya, as far relations between china and the US go, economic interdpendence is definitely a moderating influence.

google bought youtube. "Google said it could insert ads inside the videos as well as serve up text-based ads based on a more robust video search function on YouTube." that sucks.

China supplies North Korea with the majority of it's fuel, among other things. China has tremendous control over North Korea.

Brain Toad
10-11-2006, 06:28 PM
google bought youtube. "Google said it could insert ads inside the videos as well as serve up text-based ads based on a more robust video search function on YouTube." that sucks.

I think it's good for YouTube. They can afford to compress their videos less with advertising money. If the ads are just at the beginning or end, big deal. We live in a capitalist society, that's how things work

srt-4
10-11-2006, 06:52 PM
China supplies North Korea with the majority of it's fuel, among other things. China has tremendous control over North Korea.
first statement is true, second is false.

china tried to hold north korea back from going nuclear. north korea went nuclear anyway. therefore, china obviously doesn't have tremedous control over north korea.

SubtleDagger
10-11-2006, 07:02 PM
New York got hit by an errant pitch

>_>

srt-4
10-11-2006, 07:05 PM
haha

cbmartinez
10-11-2006, 10:14 PM
north korea couldn't nuke the US because they don't have the missiles to reach us yet. you have the situation backwards. the US has had an aegis destroyer presence in the sea of japan for over a year now, in the hopes that it would be able to shoot down a ballistic missile headed for japan. japan is, and has been since world war II, militarilly depedent on the US.

and a worry for some is that if japan changes this situation by building up its military and going nuclear, which it could do very fast, that it would lead to an arms race with china and regional destabilization.

Right, I thought that went without saying. Korea has been trying forever to get missiles to get across the Pacific. But I'm pretty sure Japan has enough of a military defense system and enough of a lucrative economic system with the US to shoot it out of the sky.

As much as I hate to say it because I'm a defender of moral diplomacy, I think we should do something along the lines of an Iran-Contra plan to instill rebellion in North Korea. Cause Kim is the problem. It would be very hard and risky, but I think it could be possible. I'm not exactly sure of what the people in Korea think of Kim but I know that these Japanese sanctions are gonna complicate things when Koreans start to feel an economic squeeze.

whiteminority
10-11-2006, 10:17 PM
This would obviously never work because of the political fiasco that would occur but someone should just ****ing assassinate Kim. Make the world a better place. If it would look like NK had the ability to make that bomb an ICBM I will become really worried.

cbmartinez
10-11-2006, 10:19 PM
Oh yeah, yet their would be no political fiasco when there was a straight up assassination? A well planned out funding of a rebellion (there's no way the ****ing Bush Administration could do this) would work better.

whiteminority
10-11-2006, 10:23 PM
No, I was referring to my idea. Not yours. I don't know much about the Iran-Contra program except it supposedly blew up in the government's face a few years later.

cbmartinez
10-11-2006, 10:30 PM
Cause Reagan was an idiot. And couldn't cover his tracks well enough. It's plausible. Plus, we screwed ourselves over in the end because now we are blamin Iran for ****.

SubtleDagger
10-11-2006, 10:30 PM
Oh yeah, yet their would be no political fiasco when there was a straight up assassination? A well planned out funding of a rebellion (there's no way the ****ing Bush Administration could do this) would work better.
Nobody could do it because North Korea's people would never rebel against their regime

cbmartinez
10-11-2006, 10:32 PM
Yeah, I mentioned in the post before I didn't know the extent of the rule over there (I know it's pretty bad) and if you could instill rebellion. There's always a faction though. We'll create the NKLO= North Korean Liberation Organization :D

It'll be a bunch of white guys

Matt?
10-11-2006, 10:32 PM
i definitely don't know about the standpoint of N Korean citizens on their government, but just judging how S Korea has kind of prospered in a way after the Korean War, kinda left N Korea in the dust. Korea was ruined by cold war tensions.

S Korea needs to get some korean democratic nationalism going on, make themselves look good. thing going on. this is what condi dreams of.


ps. reagan was buried in skywalker ranch

whiteminority
10-11-2006, 10:34 PM
Nobody could do it because North Korea's people would never rebel against their regime

Only because they are under the reign of fear, if you think that the North Korean population is happy having one of the lowest standards of living on the planet (if not the lowest, I can't remember anymore, I'm not a politics nerd anymore =P) then think again.

SubtleDagger
10-11-2006, 10:35 PM
I mean that a rebellion would never work because NK has the largest percentage of militarized citizens in the world

Most of the rest are poor or brainwashed

whiteminority
10-11-2006, 10:37 PM
Standing army don't mean **** man. You need to feed discontent among the populace. Chris's idea is sounding better the more he elaborates and the more I think about it.

SubtleDagger
10-11-2006, 10:38 PM
Standing army don't mean **** man. You need to feed discontent among the populace. Chris's idea is sounding better the more he elaborates and the more I think about it.
NK's people for the most part would rather leave their country than fix it

Matt?
10-11-2006, 10:41 PM
just remember

kim jong il is like a semi propaganda expert. he's no stalin but he's pretty good.

he has film aspirations. i would like to watch his stuff

whiteminority
10-11-2006, 10:45 PM
dude look at the propaganda that flows through this nation everyday, what we need to do is hire beer advertisers to the CIA.

SubtleDagger
10-11-2006, 10:46 PM
We don't get propoganda as much as capitalism

Capitalism is good for the economy but it has its fair share of problems

Still better than communism

Matt?
10-11-2006, 10:49 PM
yeah but we can look through the propaganda if we really feel like it

everything is here for us. i kind of doubt that information is as easily available for the N Koreans.

and don't even compare our propaganda to soviet russian propaganda.

Matt?
10-11-2006, 11:05 PM
later dudes. gonna go trim my neck beard

SubtleDagger
10-11-2006, 11:10 PM
Ugh I have a neckbeard too it grows back like every three days

cobert
10-11-2006, 11:12 PM
I have to shave every other day, or else I get a perve stache.

I know, youre all thinking 'dude, grow a bear, it always looks raddddd', except that that wouldnt work unless i would have a sanchez creepy immigrant stache for a few months first, before the full monty would cover my cheeks.

Luxor
10-11-2006, 11:15 PM
Ugh I have a neckbeard too it grows back like every three days
21 years old and you only shave every three days? Do you have any pubes yet or they still on their way too.

SubtleDagger
10-11-2006, 11:21 PM
Ha, I'm 20, it gets bad after three days because I let it. Technically I need to shave every day to look non shadowy but I dont

Luxor
10-11-2006, 11:29 PM
I'm booooored.

Got anything else I can make fun of you about?

SubtleDagger
10-11-2006, 11:32 PM
I like Dashboard Confessional

Haha

srt-4
10-12-2006, 03:05 AM
Cause Reagan was an idiot. And couldn't cover his tracks well enough. It's plausible. Plus, we screwed ourselves over in the end because now we are blamin Iran for ****.
domestic political backlash aside, the plan still didn't work. in addition, it was funding an already established opposition. so i doubt it could work in north korea, where one doesn't even exist. but even if it could, there would be two things to consider. one is the possible consequences of overthrowing a government in possession of nuclear weapons. how could we ensure that kim jong il wouldn't use his nukes in a last act of retaliation? and two, there is little chance that china would sit by while the north korean government was overthrown by a US backed opposition.

honestly, i have no clue what should be done about this. they've tried all practical options short of military action. clinton tried appeasing. that didn't work. bush tried taking a hard line, that didn't work. then bush tried diplomacy. none of it worked. it seems like no matter what, north korea was going to get nuclear weapons and they won't give them up unless we take them. but military action could definitely cause some trouble. so hopefully all those people in the government that are smarter and more knowledgable than me can figure out what to do.

pixiesfanyo
10-12-2006, 03:06 AM
let's quit the **** no one cares about.

and by that i mean the useless regurging of facts we hear on the news/read in books about this conflict.

srt-4
10-12-2006, 03:24 AM
let's quit the **** no one cares about.

and by that i mean the useless regurging of facts we hear on the news/read in books about this conflict.
i don't see that. i see people analyzing the situation for themselves, forming their own opinions, and discussing them.

spammymcspamspam
10-12-2006, 03:34 AM
fags

srt-4
10-12-2006, 03:39 AM
i'm a little dissapointed with the new red sparowes. still really good, but after a few listens i don't think its as good as the last one.

BloodThirstyGuillotine
10-12-2006, 04:05 AM
i'm a little dissapointed with the new red sparowes. still really good, but after a few listens i don't think its as good as the last one.

"We Stood Transfixed..." is my favorite song from them. I like the new CD.

So gav, wut's the deal with the wrist?

whiteminority
10-12-2006, 04:42 AM
fags
Oh **** you're right, let me suck your dick.

I love drinking!

srt-4
10-12-2006, 09:16 AM
"We Stood Transfixed..." is my favorite song from them. I like the new CD.
ya, thats a good one, i think i'm liking "a message of avarice..." a little better though. but to me their new stuff sounds me explosions in the sky-ish and less like their old sound. nothing on the new one stacks up to the first three tracks off the last one to me. but maybe my opinion will change with a few more listens.

bottlerocket
10-12-2006, 09:32 AM
fags

Nice.

What's up?

-Gav

pixiesfanyo
10-12-2006, 01:10 PM
i'm a little dissapointed with the new red sparowes. still really good, but after a few listens i don't think its as good as the last one.

weird.

i think it's a lot better.

espeically since it doesn't have those annoying "noise" sections.

srt-4
10-12-2006, 02:13 PM
weird.

i think it's a lot better.

espeically since it doesn't have those annoying "noise" sections.
ya, i didn't like those. i think track 4 would have been better without all that. the second half of at the soundless dawn was definitely weaker in my opinion.

i guess now that i'm thinking about it, this one is better as a whole. but i don't think anything on it tops the first couple tracks on the old one. those first two tracks just had such a big, layered, unique sound. i don't think they really recaptured that. most of the stuff i like best on the new one is that more minimalistic eits type sound, rather than the big soundscapes i liked most on the other one.

but i still really like every red heart and would take it over just about anything else in the genre. and maybe in a couple more listens i'll change my mind.

cbmartinez
10-12-2006, 04:39 PM
Srt, you're very educated. I talked about my plan or whatever with my friends and stuff and I came to the same conclusion. It would be too hard to pull off considering the reign of terror that Kim has over his people. And South Korea can't do **** either.

It's a shame that we really spoiled the whole no questions asked assassination thing back when we had pre-eminance by taking out people that hurt our economic interests (ie: the Shah of Iran). Because that could really work well for us now.

srt-4
10-12-2006, 04:59 PM
Srt, you're very educated. I talked about my plan or whatever with my friends and stuff and I came to the same conclusion. It would be too hard to pull off considering the reign of terror that Kim has over his people. And South Korea can't do **** either.

It's a shame that we really spoiled the whole no questions asked assassination thing back when we had pre-eminance by taking out people that hurt our economic interests (ie: the Shah of Iran). Because that could really work well for us now.
thanks for the compliment.

the shah was our guy. we were keeping him in power. khomeini overthrew him in a coup that was based in no small part on opposition to the shah's connection to the US. the iran-contra affair was actually funding revolution in nicaragua against the sandinistas. iran came into play because we were selling weapons to khomeini's government in iran in exchange for him using his influence to get hostages freed that had been taken in lebanon. which he never did. but the money from selling those weapons was then used to fund insurgent groups in nicaragua, the main group being the contras.

the thing that really did in assassinations carried out by the US was the church committee. which was basically a senate commission that uncovered a ton of cia secrets. as a result, strict limitations were placed on the agency, such as the proscription of assissination of foreign leaders.

you're knowledgable too, most people that weren't alive at the time haven't even heard of the shah.

cbmartinez
10-12-2006, 05:02 PM
Am I thinking of Mohammad Mossadegh then?

srt-4
10-12-2006, 05:03 PM
ya, hes who we took down for the shah

cbmartinez
10-12-2006, 05:03 PM
And I knew that the Iran-Contra affair was different than the installation of the Shah. Didn't mean to make it look like I thought they were the same.

cbmartinez
10-12-2006, 05:04 PM
ya, hes who we took down for the shah

Word, my mistake. Didn't we take out someone in some Central or South American country too?

bottlerocket
10-12-2006, 05:05 PM
We did that a lot.

-Gav

srt-4
10-12-2006, 05:12 PM
http://history-matters.com/archive/church/reports/ir/contents.htm

check that out, if you're intrested in that stuff. its the church committee's info on foreign assassination activities.

the cia was out of control, but after the committee, congress went overboard with the restrictions. thats why the cia has had so much trouble with al qaeda, iraq before the invasion, iran currently, ect. its ability to gather human intelligence was destroyed. bush has worked to undo a lot of it, but it will take a long time.

cbmartinez
10-12-2006, 05:14 PM
So you think the misinformation in Iraq was due to intelligence restrictions?

srt-4
10-12-2006, 05:17 PM
oh, and i definitely haven't read all of those findings, so if you read through it, you'll know a bunch of stuff i don't.

srt-4
10-12-2006, 05:25 PM
So you think the misinformation in Iraq was due to intelligence restrictions?
ya, the cia had no idea. almost all of that intelligence was very old or from the intelligence services of other nations. hussein knew how to hide his stuff from the air, and after the church committee gutted the cia's abilities, everybody knew we had no human intelligence capabilities. almost everybody was looking at spy satellites and ****. nobody was really going out and getting people to give up info. so the cia was almost completely in the dark about what was really going on inside iraq.

also, i don't remember exactly the quote in one of his books i read, but kissinger talking about his experiences, and long before the second iraq war, said something like the president leads intelligence. even if its not overtly, if its an unclear issue, the intelligence is naturally going to learn towards what the president wants to here due to the internal dynamics of the cia and nsc.

since the cia didn't really know what was going on, they pretty much just told the president what he wanted to here and said it was their best guess.

cobert
10-12-2006, 06:26 PM
The world needs to itp.

SubtleDagger
10-12-2006, 06:53 PM
What the world needs now
Is love sweet love
It's the only thing
That there's just too little of

<3

pixiesfanyo
10-12-2006, 07:17 PM
Converge lyrics?

SubtleDagger
10-12-2006, 07:20 PM
What the world needs now
Is love to take to the grave
I felt the coldest of winters coming
Run on, girl, run on

cbmartinez
10-12-2006, 11:05 PM
http://www.myspace.com/hopesfall

New demo from their upcoming album.

cbmartinez
10-12-2006, 11:06 PM
Wait, did all of our political talk get deleted?

whiteminority
10-12-2006, 11:26 PM
No, it's all here man.

SubtleDagger
10-12-2006, 11:27 PM
What do you mean

It's all on the last page

bottlerocket
10-13-2006, 10:28 AM
Wait, did all of our political talk get deleted?

I deleted it. I'm "the man" and want you all to be political and social sheep with no thoughts. O_O

Srsly, though, I encourage political talk in here just don't be douche bags about it and start flaming/spamming a ton. It's basically always been that way in here. Talk about whatsoever your heart desires as long as it's not spam. I say you can; racism, drugs, sex, whatevz. We're all adults that post here and if kids under 13 are registered and reading it and a lawsuit comes about, Jeremy's protected because he says you gotta be at least 13 to post and parents should control what their children see on the internet, not site admins. It's not their problem.

If an admin comes in here, though, and says you're in trouble for racism, drug talk, etc., say I said it was cool. I'll get in trouble but whatevz. Wintermute and I get along (really close on the boards) and so do mx and I. It shouldn't be a problem but if it happens...oh well.

-Gav

RetiredAt21
10-13-2006, 11:43 AM
Why does everyone like Cap'n Jazz? I think the vocals in that band are so queer.

SubtleDagger
10-13-2006, 12:25 PM
Kinsella vocals rule

Cap'n Jazz is closer to indie than post-hardcore/emo though, it's sort of where midwest reared its head

RetiredAt21
10-13-2006, 01:10 PM
Yeah, I always wondered why people call them emo/post-hardcore. They sound REALLY indie to me.

bottlerocket
10-13-2006, 01:33 PM
I love midwest emo, so I love Cap'n Jazz and everything in that genre.

I love his voice and his lyrics.

IIIIIIII
I AM A PUPPYYYYYYY

It's the limit of emo as it approaches indie.

/just envoked calculus to describe music...omfg

So I may change my major from chemistry to physics.

cobert
10-13-2006, 02:14 PM
Why does everyone like Cap'n Jazz? I think the vocals in that band are so queer.


Find the inverse of Justins opinion and multiply by 299,792,458.

/more fun with math

pixiesfanyo
10-13-2006, 02:16 PM
Cap'n Jazz is one of the few bands that acutally blends emo with like indie pop.

cobert
10-13-2006, 03:29 PM
Im going to be a 'fitness guru' at this halloween party my sisters having here.

Shirt cut off to show entire neck/shoulders. Short shorts. Headband holding back my big afro. Its gonna be tight like screamo.

Jessizzle
10-13-2006, 03:33 PM
I decided on being a pirate. I got lazy this year. Or if i can get enough money for the mustard costume.
last year i was a zebra.

ps: cap n jazz<33

Matt?
10-13-2006, 03:35 PM
f halloween

Jessizzle
10-13-2006, 03:36 PM
Halloween is like the best holiday ever.
cept this year, it looks like we might be trick or treating in snow!

cobert
10-13-2006, 03:42 PM
Guys, a group of my friends are waaaaay sick, I just got the news.

































Their name is Native Nod.

bottlerocket
10-13-2006, 03:56 PM
I decided on being a pirate. I got lazy this year. Or if i can get enough money for the mustard costume.
last year i was a zebra.

ps: cap n jazz<33

I'm gonna be Artie: The Strongest Man in the World. :D



Cob: lol I love Native Nod.

cobert
10-13-2006, 03:58 PM
I'm gonna be Artie: The Strongest Man in the World. :D



Cob: lol I love Native Nod.

-Gav


Raddd show.

Native Nod is too good.

ROFL CHECK THE CONCEPT ART FOR MY COSTUME: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/watchyourstepsir/jazzercise.png

Jessizzle
10-13-2006, 04:05 PM
http://www.partypackagers.com/CostumeWall2006/CostumeWallFrames.html
go to women, then pirates.
which pirate is hottest?
HELP JESS PICK HER COSTUME!

bottlerocket
10-13-2006, 04:07 PM
http://www.partypackagers.com/CostumeWall2006/women/womens_pirates_web/pages/Women2_28.html

or

http://www.partypackagers.com/CostumeWall2006/women/womens_pirates_web/pages/Women2_25.html

Jessizzle
10-13-2006, 04:15 PM
way to pick the two ugly ones.

Luxor
10-13-2006, 04:20 PM
halloween is the one day of the year conservative girls let their true self come out and and dress like whores.

cobert
10-13-2006, 04:27 PM
http://www.partypackagers.com/CostumeWall2006/women/womens_pirates_web/pages/Women2_27.html

I am quite the leg man.

Luxor
10-13-2006, 04:35 PM
Raddd show.

Native Nod is too good.

ROFL CHECK THE CONCEPT ART FOR MY COSTUME: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/watchyourstepsir/jazzercise.png
LOL

please tell me you drew that

pixiesfanyo
10-13-2006, 04:36 PM
i dress like a dirty whore.

cobert
10-13-2006, 04:38 PM
LOL

please tell me you drew that

My one friend just did it as soon as she heard what im going as to a Halloween party. Its a perfect rendition of what I should look like.

Get on AIM and send me old Hot Water Music.

AIM = Hiimcob

bottlerocket
10-13-2006, 04:41 PM
way to pick the two ugly ones.

I picked the two most revealing.

>_>

I got my hair cut. I hate it. :(

Luxor
10-13-2006, 04:41 PM
Haha, I said earlier that I asked you that because I only have A Flight And A Crash. I wanted to see what to get next.

I don't got ****!

cobert
10-13-2006, 04:43 PM
I see I see.

A Flight and a Crash is awesome. Ive heard most of Neverender, it is also awesome. Caution has a fw good tracks, and The New What Next is kind of boring.

So look for Neverender, and if you cant find it settle for Caution.

Jessizzle
10-13-2006, 04:47 PM
Oooh Gav let me see!

bottlerocket
10-13-2006, 04:55 PM
I don't have a camera. I hateeeeee it. The woman cut it soooo short.

I don't even have long, shaggy hair anymore. It's lame looking.

Whatever. It'll grow back in a few weeks.

Jessizzle
10-13-2006, 05:05 PM
someones not having sex for a few weeks
hahaha

bottlerocket
10-13-2006, 05:24 PM
I know, seriously. :(

Eliminator
10-13-2006, 07:03 PM
way to pick the two ugly ones.

where is your long lost twin

Matt?
10-13-2006, 07:09 PM
seriously f halloween.

i am crossing my fingers for hot girls to come to my door and then i will pull my dick out and say "blow me"

Eliminator
10-13-2006, 07:12 PM
you should dress up as a balloon

that would be lulz

SubtleDagger
10-13-2006, 07:12 PM
I am not sure whether that qualifies as a trick or a treat
you should dress up as a balloon

that would be lulz
Oh man best idea ever

Matt?
10-13-2006, 07:17 PM
i will put a sock puppet on it.

whiteminority
10-13-2006, 07:18 PM
What's up thread? I just woke up.

Matt?
10-13-2006, 07:18 PM
nm.

SubtleDagger
10-13-2006, 07:20 PM
i will put a sock puppet on it.
Yeah

Say your costume is Jim Henson or something

cobert
10-13-2006, 10:23 PM
I saw a dude at the mall today that looked like Jim Henson.

Eliminator
10-13-2006, 10:24 PM
Dead?

Matt?
10-13-2006, 10:28 PM
gotdamn. i wanted to order metal cds today. but i guess GBP is like double the money i can afford.

The Great Decay
10-13-2006, 11:42 PM
Anyone else dig Policy of 3? I got Dead Dog Summer the other day and I listened to it for the first time and it was pretty decent.

whiteminority
10-14-2006, 12:29 AM
I've heard some Policy of 3, they were pretty good if I can recall.

SunnyDayRealEstateAM
10-14-2006, 02:50 AM
i lobve aoll you guyd a lot

SGlove
10-14-2006, 04:54 AM
Drunk much?

I'm missing Trophy Scars to go back home for my sistes confirmation :-(

RetiredAt21
10-14-2006, 11:46 AM
i lobve aoll you guyd a lot

Aww, you.

:chug:

pixiesfanyo
10-14-2006, 01:07 PM
Drunk much?

I'm missing Trophy Scars to go back home for my sistes confirmation :-(

Trophy Scars shows are in my opinion probably worse than Coheed & Cambria shows.

SubtleDagger
10-14-2006, 01:18 PM
It would be better if you went to a Trophy Scars show and it was just Converge playing "Trophy Scars" thirty times in a row

Matt?
10-14-2006, 01:30 PM
it would be better if you went to a trophy scars show but it was just a botch reunion show

SubtleDagger
10-14-2006, 01:41 PM
omg dont talk like that

pixiesfanyo
10-14-2006, 01:44 PM
it would be better if you went to a trophy scars show, and trophy scars got dimebag'd

SubtleDagger
10-14-2006, 01:47 PM
RIP nevar 4get dimebag 420 dood

SGlove
10-14-2006, 03:56 PM
Ya'll don't like 'em much?
I like Coheed and Cambria shows too..
I'm losing scene points aren't I?

SubtleDagger
10-14-2006, 04:11 PM
Coheed And Cambria shows are terrible since they got an entirely new band and their music went downhill since Second Stage Turbine Blade

Trophy Scars shows are just bad, their music's gone downhill too as far as I know but I don't really keep up with them

Matt?
10-14-2006, 04:16 PM
it would be better if you went to a trophy scars show, and trophy scars got dimebag'd

it would be better if you went to a trophy scars show, and pantera was playing w/ ghostbag

whiteminority
10-14-2006, 04:52 PM
It would be better if Trophy Scars just played Hospital News For the Aesthetic in its entirety and left it at that.

pixiesfanyo
10-14-2006, 05:35 PM
Trophy Scars + Co & Ca shows are horrible because it's just a bunch of scene kids.

It's like going to a TMV concert.

SubtleDagger
10-14-2006, 05:37 PM
Well, scene kids and kids who have no knowledge of good music outside said bands

SGlove
10-14-2006, 05:52 PM
Coheed And Cambria shows are terrible since they got an entirely new band and their music went downhill since Second Stage Turbine Blade

Trophy Scars shows are just bad, their music's gone downhill too as far as I know but I don't really keep up with them

Wait...what?
Who left Coheed and Cambria?

pixiesfanyo
10-14-2006, 05:54 PM
They're touring with some chicken head bassist, and rob schineder on drums for some reason.

SubtleDagger
10-14-2006, 05:54 PM
I don't know, I stopped listening after like IKSSE

Jared showed me some vid of them with the gayest band imaginable and Claudio doing shred crap like a moron

RetiredAt21
10-14-2006, 09:28 PM
I can't stand C&C.

cobert
10-14-2006, 09:58 PM
SSTB is still one of my favorite CD's.

The only reason there was scene kids at a show I saw them at was because they were playing with The Blood Brothers.

whiteminority
10-14-2006, 10:32 PM
C&C attract more scene kids than the Blood Brothers man.

Matt?
10-14-2006, 10:34 PM
ahhhh today rullled

whiteminority
10-14-2006, 10:42 PM
How was your day?

My last three days have kicked ***, I have had about one hour of sobriety.

Matt?
10-14-2006, 10:47 PM
ajgghhgh guitar lesson/ bought some new strings

party.

went home friends came over

played video games

then played a board game

then watched the game show network

it was gametastic

whiteminority
10-14-2006, 10:48 PM
Hahaha, how was the party?

Matt?
10-14-2006, 10:51 PM
not as good as the rest of the day

whiteminority
10-14-2006, 11:02 PM
Why did you get trashed or not?

cobert
10-14-2006, 11:51 PM
C&C attract more scene kids than the Blood Brothers man.

Really? I kind of guessed that they were there for the Blood Brothers, C&C dont seem like that type of band. Whatever, SSTB ruled.

So I let one of my friends borrow and read Hot Water Music by Charles Bukowski, so she takes some gay quote from it and put it on her myspace. Then one of her friends who pisses me off to no extent does the same, but she says what book its from, and she hasnt read the book.

****, I cant stand her, she always steals peoples **** and acts like its hers and all of her dirty friends take it and ruin it for everyone else.

Matt?
10-14-2006, 11:51 PM
nah wasn't diggen the party crowd

only stayed for a little

Matt?
10-15-2006, 12:04 AM
low level owl vol 1 and 2

gahhh so good. i wish i got this on that lp set. sucks it sold out but too expensive for me maybe.

two of my favorite albums

whiteminority
10-15-2006, 12:24 AM
Parties rule man.

pixiesfanyo
10-15-2006, 12:29 AM
Parties are okay.

Small gatherings are better.

RetiredAt21
10-15-2006, 01:09 AM
Small gatherings with mad booze and tree are the best.

whiteminority
10-15-2006, 01:26 AM
Well I love parties, but the last couple days have been me and like 4-5 friends who I hadn't seen in forever so it was a reunion party of sorts.

Matt?
10-15-2006, 01:41 AM
Moooother

Tell Your Children Not To Hear My Words What They Mean What They Say

Moooother

whiteminority
10-15-2006, 01:47 AM
Danzig is ****ing good at singing.

RetiredAt21
10-15-2006, 01:46 PM
Old Danzig is really good.

pixiesfanyo
10-15-2006, 02:09 PM
Not as good as vintage kittens.

cbmartinez
10-15-2006, 02:29 PM
Camped out in the woods last night with a couple of my boys. A quarter ounce, handle of Captain and some Keystones. Awesome night except it was ****ing freezing. We had a nice fire going though.

Matt?
10-15-2006, 02:43 PM
ugh i'm hungrry

and my dad drove my car off

to drive away in his car or not to drive away in his car.

that is the question

Luxor
10-15-2006, 02:46 PM
Well, if he took yours...

Matt?
10-15-2006, 02:52 PM
yep. i'm off

ttyl dudes

whiteminority
10-15-2006, 02:59 PM
Camped out in the woods last night with a couple of my boys. A quarter ounce, handle of Captain and some Keystones. Awesome night except it was ****ing freezing. We had a nice fire going though.
Damn dude, it was ****ing 37 when I woke up at my dad's in South Carolina, I can just imagine the temp in NJ.

SubtleDagger
10-15-2006, 03:01 PM
Man it's cold here in Florida

I think it's like almost under 60

Jessizzle
10-15-2006, 03:08 PM
I am angry that NY has like 2 feet of snow, and canada has ZERO!
but i am skyed for snowboarding to start.

AIRIC
10-15-2006, 03:09 PM
I don't think it's been even close to snowing in upstate NY. Buffalo gets lots of lake effect though so they get pummeled every year.

Jessizzle
10-15-2006, 03:12 PM
I almost booked a vaction by lake placid or something lsat night,... um white face?

ever been there eric?

SubtleDagger
10-15-2006, 03:13 PM
Lake Placid O_O

AIRIC
10-15-2006, 03:14 PM
Yep. I go there maybe 3 times a year because for my season pass I get both Gore and Whiteface. It's a really great mountain when 1. It has snow and 2. it's not -30. The best day of skiing all year was at Whiteface last year.

Tell me when you're going. I usually spend a weekend up there.

Jessizzle
10-15-2006, 03:16 PM
i said almost! hahaha
we looked into it, renting a cabin for a week, but my heart we set on vermont. and i am going there AGAIN! ( with sam! :D)

AIRIC
10-15-2006, 03:18 PM
Oh. That's lame.

Whiteface sucks most of the time anyway it's way too cold and no snow.

Luxor
10-15-2006, 03:21 PM
**** the states

go to tremblant

Jessizzle
10-15-2006, 03:23 PM
Hah. My brother wants to go there soooo bad. as does the rest of my family, but it costs alooooot

AIRIC
10-15-2006, 03:33 PM
I'm going to Vail with my cousin and uncle and maybe my dad during February break. It's gonna be awesome.

RetiredAt21
10-15-2006, 03:41 PM
Not as good as vintage kittens.

Not as good as smoking vintage kittens.

encmetalhead
10-15-2006, 03:48 PM
hardcore community thread didnt help out so please answer this, is this forum allowed to have a daily upload? if so i'll gladly do it

cbmartinez
10-15-2006, 03:51 PM
No thanks.

encmetalhead
10-15-2006, 03:58 PM
damn i try to do something productiive for the forums and you don't want it >.<

whiteminority
10-15-2006, 04:20 PM
No offense I'm not down with a daily upload from a guy named encmetalhead in a hardcore/emo forum. We've all heard bad metalcore passed as emo, spare us.

encmetalhead
10-15-2006, 04:27 PM
who said i was going to upload metalcore? besides i listen to hatebreed and bury your dead and those 2 bands are 2 of my fav bands so spare me the shatty excuses

SubtleDagger
10-15-2006, 04:27 PM
...

whiteminority
10-15-2006, 04:29 PM
Dude, we've all heard those. No thanks.


Also just because you say that you BYD and Hatebreed doesn't give you any "cred" because douchebags who listen to Chiodos will also listen to them.

Jessizzle
10-15-2006, 04:32 PM
I should run a mailing list.
i wonder who would sign up.

" Jess's Mailing list of really awesome music"

SubtleDagger
10-15-2006, 04:34 PM
I don't know, is Hatebreed going to be on it

If not I might sign up

whiteminority
10-15-2006, 04:38 PM
I wouldn't, I would get sick of brass instruments from all the damn ska.

SubtleDagger
10-15-2006, 04:38 PM
Ugh ska nevermind

Jessizzle
10-15-2006, 04:43 PM
i listen to music OTHER than ska..... :( sometimes.
this is the first week ever, that on last.fm iv had more non ska bands than ska bands. WOO HOO
1 Makeshift Heroes 29
2 The Heatskores 28
3 The Know How 8
3 Bomb the Music Industry! 8
5 The Dead Milkmen 7
6 Cap'n Jazz 5
6 Erik Petersen 5
6 Michael Jordan Touchdown Pass 5
9 Buddy Holly 4
9 mewithoutYou 4

SubtleDagger
10-15-2006, 05:05 PM
1 Deftones 67
2 Converge 54
3 Modern Life is War 23
4 Dirty Three 19
4 Damien Rice 19
6 American Football 18
6 The Dillinger Escape Plan 18
8 U2 17
9 Thrice 13
10 Navio Forge 12

By the way Deftones leaked

encmetalhead
10-15-2006, 05:16 PM
a daily upload is when people submit the links...take the rock and metal daily upload as an example if you're confused but meh i'll make the thread later on if i feel like it after typeing up first draft of an article for school newspaper

SubtleDagger
10-15-2006, 05:21 PM
We know what it is and already suggested it was a bad idea but um apparently you don't care so i have no clue why you asked to begin with

encmetalhead
10-15-2006, 05:27 PM
i'm trying to figure out a way to kill some of this free time i have >.< i really think ya'll should be nice to people though cause ya'll won't see my on this sub-forum anymore

whiteminority
10-15-2006, 05:29 PM
If you haven't noticed we are assholes. We love ridding this place of people.

Jessizzle
10-15-2006, 05:38 PM
If you haven't noticed we are assholes. We love ridding this place of people.

Yeah. I just ignore you guys. i know deep down you all love me.

whiteminority
10-15-2006, 06:01 PM
No, I'm really just a dick.

bottlerocket
10-15-2006, 06:30 PM
Yeah. I just ignore you guys. i know deep down you all love me.

They only love you because you're a girl.

I actually love you. <3