Emo Community Thread

[DepressedHighSchoolStudent]

OK... thats not what i had in mind.

Im looking for something a little less.....VIOLENT!!!

[DepressedHighSchoolStudent]

OK... thats not what i had in mind.

Im looking for something a little less.....VIOLENT!!!

[AurorUa]

I'd just like to say Boxcar racer are really really bad.

[BuddyBigsby]

OK... thats not what i had in mind.

Im looking for something a little less.....VIOLENT!!!

haha, then you shouldn't be looking for emo, because by your standards, its very violent. Try "Autumn's Monologue" by From Autumn to Ashes. That might get you some.

[Happymeal]

I showed you that band, I want 35% of your ***** income.

I'll even give you half for that. Filipinos are pimp aficionados.

[DFelon204409]

I personally suggest "Falling in Love" by NOFX. If you were to play it and convert into an acoustic song it would be pretty. It's not emo at all though.

[DepressedHighSchoolStudent]

I was talking about Bleeding Kansas.

[BuddyBigsby]

I know.

[Bartender]

Okay, I finally got into gear and tried downloading some things. I got a single Moss Icon song, which is rather good. I got a bunch of Hot Cross tracks, but I'm still not liking them much (already heard Pretty Picture of a Broken Face in a Forced Listening), and I got a few Saetia tracks, which are awesome so far.

I also downloaded an album by a band called Murder by Death which I came across in the guy's files, expecting more of the same (since pretty much everything else he had was hardcore-oriented), but it's really different. To be honest, I downloaded it just based on the name of the album. But that's nothing to do with this thread, so never mind.

[BuddyBigsby]

Haha, Murder By Death definitely have a misleading name. Great band, though.

[Bartender]

Yeah, they are, so far. Do they actually have an album called Like "The Exorcist", Only More Breakdancing, or is he taking the piss?

[BuddyBigsby]

It sounds familiar, but I think its a song. I'm not 100% though.

[Sep]

Yeah, they are, so far. Do they actually have an album called Like "The Exorcist", Only More Breakdancing, or is he taking the piss?
Yeah, they do have an album called that. What did you think of them, anyway?


What are some good Saetia songs by the way? I have heard only 'An Open Letter' and 'Venus and Bacchus'.

[Bartender]

MBD are really good, I'm really liking this album.

Saetia I can't really help you with, as I've only heard five songs. They're all good though;

Sweetness and the Light
Open Letter
Woodwell
Corporeal
Ariadne's Thread

If it helps.

[Sep]

Checking them out now. :thumb:

Is is the album with "Killbot 2000" on it or "I'm Afraid Of Who's Afraid Of Virginia Wolfe"?

[Bartender]

I'm Afraid of Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolfe.

[cbmartinez]

I've liked MBD for almost a year now. They are very talented and unique. "Killbot 2000" is the song that got me into them and is still one of my favorites. "Killbot 2000" is on Who Will Survive And What Will Be Left Of Them, by the way. Like The Exorcist, Only More Breakdancing was under their old name Little Joe Gould, so trying searching that and seeing if anything comes up.

[DepressedHighSchoolStudent]

Anyone know a better file sharing site other than Kazaa and WinMX?

[DepressedHighSchoolStudent]

Im trying to find some slower acoustic or light rock emo. Not the hardcore **** that you all have been refering me too. Bands that sound like Taking Back Sunday.

[shane italian]

www.slsknet.org

[DepressedHighSchoolStudent]

I found something called LimeWire.

Any comments?

[oXsuzyshinnXo]

I found something called LimeWire.

Any comments?

Well maybe the best of me-starting line
leaving-starting line
achoustic cute without the e-tbs
only one-yellowcard achoustic I'm not sure if I like that band or not.
and then I think it's Honey and the moon by Joseph Arthur
I'm not sure on achoustic. Some of those aren't emo.

I use bearshare for my downloading..and well it's pretty good

[Happymeal]

I raped this guy on slsk and got 22 Saetia songs. Yay.

[BuddyBigsby]

That would be the Retrospective CD they put out. That's all of their songs.

[DFelon204409]

Im trying to find some slower acoustic or light rock emo. Not the hardcore **** that you all have been refering me too. Bands that sound like Taking Back Sunday.

Emo isn't slow and acousticy. Taking Back Sunday is not an emo band. They are pop punk and bad pop punk at that. Listen to Further Seems Forever instead.

[Bartender]

I got a small slice of that retrospective.

[Ganondorf]

Guess you guys like SiKth then? If you haven't heard of them, them them out :)

[DFelon204409]

Website sir?

[Happymeal]

http://www.sikth.com/

If this is the SiKth he's referring to, they got me pretty interested. They're metal though..

[Ganondorf]

yeah that's the right SiKth, they're an OK band :)

[EternalShatter]

awesome dude

[worseforthewear]

i agree with what most people have said on this thread. taking back sunday is not emo.
they are good at what they do which is writing songs for the mainstream listeners. they weren't like that two years ago, but when where you want to be came out, it was definately geared toward the mainstream.

[Happymeal]

Vincent Price's Orphan Powered Death Machine = coolest band name ever

[Bartender]

That is an incredible name. Are they any good?

[Happymeal]

I've just found them out yesterday. Just listened to one song but it's good. It's very short though..

if you're feeling curious

Dude, do you like 'Stangs? You Must Have Gasoline in Your Veins! (http://www.mccarthyism.org/mp3/VPOPDM-dude_you_like_stangs.mp3)

[Bartender]

Hah, well that was short and pointless. I'll probably still claim to like them just so I can mention the name, though.

[DFelon204409]

I feel there are too many bands that think they're cooler than they really are. Their song titles seem overdone and contrived, especially alexisonfire. The one band I think pulls it off right is The Great Redneck Hope. That and DRACULACORE.

[Happymeal]

True, true.. 20+ word-long song titles seem to be the fad nowadays

[cbmartinez]

I feel there are too many bands that think they're cooler than they really are. Their song titles seem overdone and contrived, especially alexisonfire. The one band I think pulls it off right is The Great Redneck Hope. That and DRACULACORE.

Draculacore= Pinnacle Of Music

[DFelon204409]

Draculacore= Pinnacle Of Music

\/DRACULACORE\/ = Pinnacle of Music

[Rocker4Lyf]

aww, i say that they are the equivilent to sex for the ears! ;)

Yes...but you also think bio-dome was a good movie.

[cbmartinez]

So I listened to The Kodan Armada and A Day In Black And White. Both were pretty impressive, especially A Day In Black And White. I heard the whole Ohio Killed The Grey Ghost album by The Kodan Armada and it's interesting. I just listened to "The Gaze" and "There Are Objects And Objects" by A Day In Black And White and I was pretty much blown away. By the way, didn't someone say something about The Kodan Armada not being screamo, because there's something about them that's missing from the screamo formula.

[Sep]

ADIBAW are amazing.

[Sep]

I feel there are too many bands that think they're cooler than they really are. Their song titles seem overdone and contrived, especially alexisonfire. The one band I think pulls it off right is The Great Redneck Hope. That and DRACULACORE.

Alexisonfire song titles aren't that bad, I think they're pretty cool actually.
Go look up some the Locust titles, they will freak you out. :p

[DFelon204409]

Alexisonfire song titles aren't that bad, I think they're pretty cool actually.
Go look up some the Locust titles, they will freak you out. :p

Ya I know. "File Under Softcore Seizures" is one of their keepers. Most bands with any grind in them try to pull this off. I mean you figure the songs are already pretty ridiculous, why not make the song titles the same way.

[cbmartinez]

Sakita Sarra (http://www.purevolume.com/sakitasarra)

Low quality emo?

I suggest "Constant Slur Of Rhapsody." "Like A Reluctant" has a slow, long, boring intro (fast forward to 4:00 to hear the vocals), but I like it also.

[tornpictures]

So I listened to The Kodan Armada and A Day In Black And White. Both were pretty impressive, especially A Day In Black And White. I heard the whole Ohio Killed The Grey Ghost album by The Kodan Armada and it's interesting. I just listened to "The Gaze" and "There Are Objects And Objects" by A Day In Black And White and I was pretty much blown away. By the way, didn't someone say something about The Kodan Armada not being screamo, because there's something about them that's missing from the screamo formula.


"The screamo formula."

Tool.

[DFelon204409]

Sakita Sarra (http://www.purevolume.com/sakitasarra)

Low quality emo?

I suggest "Constant Slur Of Rhapsody." "Like A Reluctant" has a slow, long, boring intro (fast forward to 4:00 to hear the vocals), but I like it also.

Is it good or not? Like low quality or just mediocre? Is it worth the download? I'm lazy.

[tornpictures]

Oh God that stuff is bad.

[BuddyBigsby]

"The screamo formula."

Tool.

Middle-aged men harassing adolescents on an internet message board.

Tool.

[Myke And His Mesa :)]

What's UnderOath, someone said thier not screamo or hardcore...so then I'm lost, what are they?

[BuddyBigsby]

False screamo. There's not really a name for it. Pop-punk is the closest thing.

[cbmartinez]

"The screamo formula."

Tool.

That's funny because your the one who has a ****ing list of **** qualifications that a band has to have to be screamo. That or you just pick randomly what bands are screamo and what bands are not. I guess I'll just go look up if The Kodan Armada has ever cried onstage because that makes them an emo band, right?

[DFelon204409]

Middle-aged men harassing adolescents on an internet message board.

Tool.

Hey BigBadBob was pretty cool. But then again he just molested the young boys. No intellectual harassment.

[DFelon204409]

False screamo. There's not really a name for it. Pop-punk is the closest thing.

Popcore.

[tornpictures]

That's funny because your the one who has a ****ing list of **** qualifications that a band has to have to be screamo. That or you just pick randomly what bands are screamo and what bands are not. I guess I'll just go look up if The Kodan Armada has ever cried onstage because that makes them an emo band, right?

Kodan Armada are screamo, duh.

You've got to admit it's kind of sad you can't decide for yourself if a band are screamo or not.. you have to ask people on a message board.

[SalomeHigher]

tornpictures has a point. there is no formula to legitimate songwriting.

[tornpictures]

Zing!

[cbmartinez]

Kodan Armada are screamo, duh.

You've got to admit it's kind of sad you can't decide for yourself if a band are screamo or not.. you have to ask people on a message board.

I was checking, you asshole. There's nothing wrong with that. Because God forbid I call them screamo and you break out with your, "Omfg, they are a hardcore band! I was at the real screamo shows okay? Real emo bands cry!"

tornpictures has a point. there is no formula to legitimate songwriting.

You stay out of this. A) You don't even know what's going and B) you use the terms mathcore and math metal.

[DFelon204409]

What's wrong with the genre Math Metal. It's as or less stupid than screamo as a genre. One might as well accept it.

[cbmartinez]

Tell me, how is a band math? I guess we could get technical and call bands Geometry Rock or Algebracore. See, it makes no sense. Technical Metal on the other hand, does exist.

In the thread "Is Grind Punk Or Metal?" in the Punk forum.

[tornpictures]

I was checking, you asshole. There's nothing wrong with that. Because God forbid I call them screamo and you break out with your, "Omfg, they are a hardcore band! I was at the real screamo shows okay? Real emo bands cry!"


Sounds like jealousy to me.

[BuddyBigsby]

Bwa hahaha. I do believe torn got pwned.

[cbmartinez]

Sweet. :cool:

[DFelon204409]

In the thread "Is Grind Punk Or Metal?" in the Punk forum.

I used this argument elsewhere but I can't remember where. "Punk" means child molester, in it's original form from Chaucer and nowadays mostly means rapscallion. If you ask me you don't need to be a pedophile or some lame truant to be a punk or in a punk band. The Descedents are one of the most important punk bands of all time and they're a bunch of nerds. A name is a name. Technical Metal may be what you want to call it but I'm going to go on calling it Math Metal just because that's the clever little arbitrary name given to the genre.

[cbmartinez]

To each his own, I guess. I've never heard the term sciencecore, so I think I'll refrain from using academic subjects as genres. Teche Metal does it for me.

[tornpictures]

I was checking, you asshole. There's nothing wrong with that. Because God forbid I call them screamo and you break out with your, "Omfg, they are a hardcore band! I was at the real screamo shows okay? Real emo bands cry!"



You stay out of this. A) You don't even know what's going and B) you use the terms mathcore and math metal.

Mathcore is a legit term, kiddo.

And about the 'real emo bands cry' bit. Oh, hardeharhar.

Too bad I was playing shows with my band when you were still lodged safely in your mother's womb.

[DFelon204409]

Too bad I was playing shows with my band when you were still lodged safely in your mother's womb.

Firstly, that is extremely out of context, which makes me think you're just name dropping being in a band to somehow give yourself and authority over cbmartinex for no reason. Secondly, where did that band go? Into the ****ing tube is what I'm going to assume. Humor me and go masturbate to a bootleg Antioch Arrow video or just dip deep into the memory bank of seeing them every other week.

[cbmartinez]

Owned. Thanks, D. :cool:

[BuddyBigsby]

hahahahaha

[RIPJoeStrummer]

Blood Brothers anyone?

[cbmartinez]

I love them.

[Happymeal]

Johnny Whitney = most improved vocalist of the year

[CommieCanada]

some chick told me today that The Reason by Hoobastank was an emo song. i drop kicked her out of a window

[cbmartinez]

Well done. :thumb:

[CommieCanada]

Well done. :thumb:
i rule

[chips88]

some chick told me today that The Reason by Hoobastank was an emo song. i drop kicked her out of a window

i want to hug you.

[Rocker4Lyf]

All Hoobastank's "The Reason" makes me wanna do is punt my stereo out the window hoping it hits someone on the way down. I think it's subliminal messaging or something...I don't know. However, it does justify why the word stank is in their bandname

[Bartender]

Are any of you people known as xheartsxdividex on Soulseek?

[tornpictures]

Firstly, that is extremely out of context, which makes me think you're just name dropping being in a band to somehow give yourself and authority over cbmartinex for no reason. Secondly, where did that band go? Into the ****ing tube is what I'm going to assume. Humor me and go masturbate to a bootleg Antioch Arrow video or just dip deep into the memory bank of seeing them every other week.

So a band has to go somewhere to mean something?
If we only reached one person, we made an impact.
The band meant a lot to me, in fact, it still does. I'm still good friends with the guys I played with.
It completely changed my life.

It seems like I'm changing. Changing for the worse. I'm turning into the older, jaded guys I used to hate. Tim Yo, who started 924 Gilman, was one of those people.
The Feederz show was a good example: Their frontman came on with a dead dog draped around his shoulders. Then he threw it in the pit and people decided it would be fun to throw it around.. I took serious offence.
Looking back, it was kind of stupid to take offence to something that was just done to provoke a reaction.. Tim and his friends were laughing in the back of the venue.
He also decided to throw in the Dwarves in a show filled with edge bands.
The singer came on naked, then he started to masturbate and said something about smoking pot.
The militant edge kids chased them out and beat them to pulp. I'm still not sure how they got their stuff out of the venue.

Okay. /ramble.

People in the scene should stand up for eachother, there should be more unity.
I kinda miss that in today's scene, and people running around worrying if a band are screamo enough to listen to makes it even worse.
It sucks when people have to turn to others to decide which category to lump a band into.
Think for yourself.

[DFelon204409]

tornpictures - Where do you live?

[BuddyBigsby]

See torn, you can be a cool guy, like in the above post. We only hate you because you make so many of those 'jaded old guy' posts.

[Wow]

I can't believe I never saw this topic.


What I've learned so far:
Torn's a douche bag.
DFelon, Buddy, and cb > Torn
Constellations of a Star Gazing Iris is the best song ever and I can't believe I ever lived without it.
Vincent Price's Orphan Powered Death Machine is officially the best band ever just because of that name. I don't even care if the music sucks. The name puts them above all.


Yay.

[DFelon204409]

We're not better than he is. We just have a different take on emo and life because we're not still waiting for our dialysis machine to come from the geriatric hospital.

[Happymeal]

Thoughts on the new Trophy Scars songs?

[capri sun junkie]

Both songs are great.

Hey Kiddo! (I Forgot To Ask You An Important Question) reminds me of a song I heard before long ago. I just can't think of it.

[PUNK181]

Ah, the first of the ignorant. *draws sword*
there like punk screamo right

[BuddyBigsby]

Que?

[srt-4]

Constellations of a Star Gazing Iris is the best song ever and I can't believe I ever lived without it.


i just downloaded that song, and it is amazing. anybody know how i can get the cd??? i couldn't find anything by portrait on Amazon.com and amazon/amazon markplace has like everything, lol.

[BuddyBigsby]

i just downloaded that song, and it is amazing. anybody know how i can get the cd??? i couldn't find anything by portrait on Amazon.com and amazon/amazon markplace has like everything, lol.

I bought it from Interpunk.com

[srt-4]

thanks!

[Sep]

Thoughts on the new Trophy Scars songs?

They're amazing. I'm really into Trophy Scars at the moment. :)
Hopefully they come out with a full length soon.

[Wow]

Yes Trophy Scars are great. I owe you for showing them to me, Sep.

[DFelon204409]

They're amazing. I'm really into Trophy Scars at the moment. :)
Hopefully they come out with a full length soon.

1) They already have one called Darts to the Sea.
2) They have a new one coming out soon. It all depends on record labels. If one picks them up, they'll have enough to money to record nicely and not out of their own pockets for once. If not, they'll just make good version of their demo songs. I have heard 5 new songs and they're all really good (surprise surprise).

[Creeper Kamikaze]

Nice avvy DFelon.

Thrice, Fata, and 36 CF are required listening.

[DFelon204409]

None of those bands are emo or screamo and FATA is possibly the most miserable excuse for a band ever. I'd rather listen to Two Live Jews.

[Creeper Kamikaze]

Well, opinions are like assholes...

[DFelon204409]

Are you trying to say that you're an opinion?

[cbmartinez]

Well, I'm listening to "Constellations Of A Star Gazing Iris" thanks to Wow. This sounds more emo than screamo.

[capri sun junkie]

1) They already have one called Darts to the Sea.

Is it unavailable?

[DFelon204409]

Is it unavailable?

It can be gotten by mail order, or by buying it when you see them live. I have it but I'm in the middle of finals. I'll start sending it to the interested who IM me around the 23rd of December.

[capri sun junkie]

It can be gotten by mail order, or by buying it when you see them live. I have it but I'm in the middle of finals. I'll start sending it to the interested who IM me around the 23rd of December.

What mail order(s) have it?

Yeah, I probably won't be seeing them live anytime soon... :lol:

[Creeper Kamikaze]

Are you trying to say that you're an opinion?

No, just that your opinions are ****ty... ;)

[DFelon204409]

What mail order(s) have it?

Yeah, I probably won't be seeing them live anytime soon... :lol:

Go to their website (www.trophyscars.com) and find their discography section I think. They should have an address there.


No, just that your opinions are ****ty... ;)

If my opinions are so shitty then why am I so ****ing right all the time?

Firstly, you come into an emo thread and suggest people listen to bands that aren't emo. I claim you are wrong. That's not even an opinion to dismiss you. It's just logic.

Secondly, I trashed From Autumn to Ashes. That is where the opinion thing comes in. In this matter, I am right. I guarantee it. Have you ever used your ears to listen to FATA or have you just postulated that they fit into some genre close to Thrice so they must be as good as Thrice? FATA is an abomination in the music world. Every song is predictable and trite, the tones they have selected for the instruments and the tone of the singer (whiny as all hell) and the screamer (muddy and boring), which they couldn't choose, are miserable, and the lyrical content reads like the confused, depressed musings of a middle class suburban white girl. Go cut yourself and rot in a corner before I get to you and do far worse.

Thirdly, you were already completely owned but you didn't even really get why so you pursued an argument with me by making a follow up comment. Has this owning been sufficient or do I need to write out a 5-paragraph essay for you? I have plenty to say about From Autumn to Ashes or how loose I have made you mother. I dare you. I double dare you. Try again, bitch.

[cbmartinez]

Owned

[BuddyBigsby]

I like FATA :upset:

[Bartender]

I don't remember this being ocvered before, but maybe it has, so forgive me if that's the case.

I've just been wondering, what's the typical emo band line on p2p filesharing? Acceptable, or not? Is there even a typical opinion?

I ask because actually getting my hands on physical format anything is proving difficult.

[capri sun junkie]

Go to their website (www.trophyscars.com) and find their discography section I think. They should have an address there.

I couldn't find a discography section, or a link... :upset:

[DFelon204409]

capri - the address is written on a post it at home, and also I am going to rip the CD and give it to you if that doesn't work so chill out.

Buddy - shame on you.

[Sep]

What the hell's the difference between emo and screamo? Is there even a difference?

[Sep]

By the way, Torn, would you like to send me some of your band's songs?
Do you have MSN or AIM?

[capri sun junkie]

capri - the address is written on a post it at home, and also I am going to rip the CD and give it to you if that doesn't work so chill out.

Buddy - shame on you.

Ok, thank you much.

[DFelon204409]

By the way, Torn, would you like to send me some of your band's songs?
Do you have MSN or AIM?

I'd definitely like to hear that.

[Creeper Kamikaze]

If my opinions are so shitty then why am I so ****ing right all the time?

Firstly, you come into an emo thread and suggest people listen to bands that aren't emo. I claim you are wrong. That's not even an opinion to dismiss you. It's just logic.

Secondly, I trashed From Autumn to Ashes. That is where the opinion thing comes in. In this matter, I am right. I guarantee it. Have you ever used your ears to listen to FATA or have you just postulated that they fit into some genre close to Thrice so they must be as good as Thrice? FATA is an abomination in the music world. Every song is predictable and trite, the tones they have selected for the instruments and the tone of the singer (whiny as all hell) and the screamer (muddy and boring), which they couldn't choose, are miserable, and the lyrical content reads like the confused, depressed musings of a middle class suburban white girl. Go cut yourself and rot in a corner before I get to you and do far worse.

Thirdly, you were already completely owned but you didn't even really get why so you pursued an argument with me by making a follow up comment. Has this owning been sufficient or do I need to write out a 5-paragraph essay for you? I have plenty to say about From Autumn to Ashes or how loose I have made you mother. I dare you. I double dare you. Try again, bitch.

Okkkkk... someone is psycho.

You're right, I wasn't aware that you "owned" me before with that lame comeback. Hell, I wasn't even aware that we were really arguing. My comment was made in jest, but oh well, I guess you're just a dickhead.

Go cut yourself and rot in a corner before I get to you and do far worse.
Wow, that was quite appropriate for the situation. But hey, maybe we can work something out, and you could come visit me. I've broken whiny bitches like you all my life. All mouth. Sounds like your daddy didn't show you enough love. Or maybe he showed you too much.

Has this owning been sufficient or do I need to write out a 5-paragraph essay for you?
That depends. Will the essay be as clear-headed and intelligent as your last post? If so, then I'll have to decline your offer. If I want to read more egomaniacal bullshit rantings from you, I'll just read your other posts.

I dare you. I double dare you. Try again, bitch.
Is that supposed to scare me? You double dare me??? You really are a moron.

As much as I would like to carry on this inane argument with a hostile 18 year old retard who can't stand to be disagreed with, I'll leave that up to the other idiots who have nothing better to do than trade insults on a website.

Good luck with everything. You sound like a real winner.

[DFelon204409]

Sarcasm eludes you.

I can't believe it took a joke tirade to get you to type properly and form coherent points. Please tell me why you like FATA and how they're emo because I clearly don't get it.

[BuddyBigsby]

because they're emotional. duh.

[deux est bovem]

because they're emotional. duh.

good point, good point. :thumb:

hmmm, but in all seriousness, there are many bands that are way better than fata. and yeah, i would like to here torn's band. and all these other bands that you guys mention but are so hard to find. man, if only my dad would let me have soulseek or something

[cbmartinez]

What the hell's the difference between emo and screamo? Is there even a difference?

It's a fine line. Screamo is more chaotic, musically and vocally. Most emo bands have something closer to a yell going on. Screamo bands usually have abrasive screams. And like I said, the music is usually more chaotic, almost grindy.

[hafez]

Emo
Emo:
I Hate Myself

]

is it just me or is that the funniest emo band name ever :amaze:

[StormX]

I like FATA...but i kinda seem them as metalcore-ish, not emo..does that make me a bad person?

[DFelon204409]

No it actually makes you right. Just make sure you put in the key adjective "bad" before metalcore or else it isn't the proper genre. Or you can just call it popcore.

[StormX]

just because you think they are bad doesn't mean they are.

[capri sun junkie]

I actually like FATA to some extent, but I do think they are bad metalcore...

Compare them to Hoods, 100 Demons, The Warriors, Walls Of Jericho, Premonitions of War, etc. and you will see how they are 'bad metalcore'.

[DFelon204409]

just because you think they are bad doesn't mean they are.

No. They are. It's not even my decision. It's just a truth.

[BuddyBigsby]

I like them, but yeah, that's about right.

[cbmartinez]

Can I get a classification for Forstella Ford (http://www.purevolume.com/forstellaford)? They were on Level-Plane, but I don't think they are "emo."

[BuddyBigsby]

They got back together!

They have some emo to them, some metalcore. I wouldn't label them as one genre.

[cbmartinez]

Really? Nice.

Thanks for the classification. I heard someone call them math metal one time, so I was really confused.

[cbmartinez]

I found a couple bands that I think could be added to the list.

Screamo
Van Johnson (http://www.purevolume.com/vanjohnson)
Crestfallen
In/Humanity
Anodyne (http://www.hxcmp3.com/play.php?band_id=1636&song_id=12990&mode=song_hifi)
Get ****ed (http://www.hxcmp3.com/play.php?band_id=1636&song_id=12520&mode=song_hifi) (might be grind)

Emo or Screamo?
Transistor, Transistor (http://www.hxcmp3.com/play.php?band_id=1636&song_id=2863&mode=song_hifi) (leaning towards screamo)
The Fiction (http://www.hxcmp3.com/play.php?band_id=1636&song_id=12519&mode=song_hifi)
Wolves (http://www.hxcmp3.com/play.php?band_id=1636&song_id=2865&mode=song_hifi) (leaning towards emo)

Level-Plane= Awesome.

Van Johnson is purevolume. The rest are hxcmp3s.

Also, I think Clikitat Ikatowi should be moved to emo. There's almost no screaming and their music isn't that chaotic. Song Of Zarathustra could be moved to screamo, maybe.

[Neoteric]

eh...Cave In?

[Cheeseballlane]

what do you guys think of das oath?

[BuddyBigsby]

They're ok.

Uhhhhhhh Anodyne are metal dude.

[cbmartinez]

That song doesn't sound it.

[BuddyBigsby]

the link didn't work for me... what album is it off of? because I can see some of their older stuff being borderline, but now they're a metal band a la Mastodon meets Swarm of the Lotus.

[cbmartinez]

Oops, sorry about the links.

http://www.hxcmp3.com/bands/1636/

They're all available there.

[BuddyBigsby]

That's from the new album. That song is metal you silly bear.

[september endings]

i'm getting in this a little late so forgive me if i repeat bands you guys have already mentioned.

emo...x
bright eyes
elliot smith
damion rice
pedro the lion
armor for sleep
taking back sunday
matchbook romance
no use for a name
the early november

emocore...x
from autumn to ashes
the beautiful mistake
planes mistaken for stars
further seems forever
a static lullaby
with broken wings
finch
funeral for a friend
the bled
saosin
before today
senses fail

[BuddyBigsby]

Incorrect.

[Tangy zizzle]

Why do you even bother anymore dog?

[september endings]

heh, just went back and read a few pages of this thread trying to obtain good new emo. didn't realize this was a a thread for elitists.

****ing revolver mag, constantly puts taking back sunday in the emo catagory and i'm suppose to the few of your guys "facts" over that of people in the music industry...um, yeah. mainstream emo is emo nevertheless.

you guys remind me of art snobs who sit their bashing other people's art thinking it will make you better then them, but art like music is all personal and different to the indavidual. music is suppose to to be fun, but you guys ****ing take it so ****ing seriously it ****s it up for the rest of us.

u guys are more narrow minded then baptist republicans, and more agressive then asain kids playing star craft. i got a list of bands, and i'm out of this thing before i get "owned" over this internet cool guy club u guys have going on here.

you scenster thread snobs go ahead continue with your thing. what ever gets ur goodies hard.

and if this post doesn't apply to you, then you won't be offended becuase it doens't apply to you.

[BuddyBigsby]

Hahahahaha, wow, you really got offended over one neutral remark.

I'm not an elitist. If I was an elitist, I would've flamed you and also said those bands suck. You need to understand just because you're thinking of the wrong genre for the bands you named does not make them bad bands. I listen to a few of the ones you named. They're simply not emo or emocore though. If you want to reject truth from people that actually know what they're talking about (*sigh*, and yes, that includes tornpictures) then that's your choice, but to call someone an elitist because they know more than you about a particular subject? Grow up.

Why do you even bother anymore dog?

Some of it's boredom, but I think "+1" plays a big role.

[BuddyBigsby]

Plus I always get a good chuckle out of reactions like those.

[StormX]

hmm, just to prove buddy's point, and test my genre skills


i'm getting in this a little late so forgive me if i repeat bands you guys have already mentioned.

emo...x
bright eyes pop-rock
elliot smith pop-rock (i guess, haven't heard)
damion rice same as above
pedro the lion ?
armor for sleep post-emo
taking back sunday post-emo/pop-punk
matchbook romance pop-punk
no use for a name pop-punk
the early november pop-punk

emocore...x
from autumn to ashes metalcore
the beautiful mistake dunno
planes mistaken for stars they were already done by dfelon right?
further seems forever pop-rock i think
a static lullaby pop-punk/metalcore
with broken wings pop-punk
finch pop-punk
funeral for a friend pop-punk/metalcore-ish
the bled metalcore
saosin pop-punk
before today ?
senses fail pop-punk

[september endings]

it wasn't directed at you buddy, it was directed the the poeple i saw hacking each others heads off becuase of varied opinions.

[I]Emo
"Emo" is short for "Emotional Hardcore." The term began as a derogatory one but has been proudly and vehemently claimed by lovers of this dynamic, intensely emotional splinter genre of Hardcore. Much of Emo is characterized introspective lyrics, sudden, surprising shifts in rhythm, ragged, screamingly emotional vocals, pretty instrumental breakdowns, slightly unconventional song structures, and a decidedly un-punk embrace of poppy elements. The genre's heyday began with bands like Sunny Day Real Estate, The Get-Up Kids, and The Promise Ring. It has since become a more widely popular style, adopted by both radio-ready pop bands like Good Charlotte and Saves the Day and introspective indie singer/songwriters like Bright Eyes and Pedro the Lion.

Finch
Combining influences from groups like the Deftones and Glassjaw, Finch find a comfortable niche in the void between Nu-Metal and Emo/Punk.

-taken from audiogalaxy.com

threat mag, sister mag of revolver considers senses fail emo/screamo.
revolver itself considers taking back sunday emo.

bright eyes is not rock, nor are elliot smith, or damein rice. nor they pop. they surely are not pop rock.

you guys have a set opinion of what emo is, and can't tolerate that other people having their own opinion of what emo is. if you search over the web and music mags you will see the bands u consider "punk-pop" are more considered emo.

the likes of matchbook romance, a static lullaby, finch, sense fail do not sound like the likes of yellowcard, green day, blink 182, new found glory.

they have sorrowful lyrics accomanied by gatchy melodies, the screaming of the bands in most of the songs also do not appear in what most would consider pop punk. emo bands typically sing about lost love. they are often jaded, and push an image of hating and dispising love unlike pop-punk.

emo is dirived from punk, but pop/mainstrem-emo is not pop-punk.

with emo becoming heavily radio mainstream, the cure's "love song" and radiohead's "creep" were revived on the airwaves. neither of those bands emo, but those 2 songs with the sorrowful yet beautiful lyrics with the melodic and catchy melodies fall into line with what many consider emo.

thursday IS considered emo by most people, as they find comfort is my chemical romance's music and vice versa.

and the person who originally started this thread just wanted to know a few new emo bands. i'm sure he/she meant mainstream emo, or the pop-punk u guys refer it to. you guys thrashed this thread so that people who originally came here for the mainstrem emo that you guys believe to be punk-pop left.

people like you guys destroy everything with your eliteness. your kind is in all subcultures. from skating to surfing, to poetry, to art, to fashion, to music. you guys obviously know much, but you believe you know it all and you treat newbies to the sub-culture with such hostility that it takes out the fun.

[september endings]

S.O.B., no doubt these guys will tell you that hawthorne heights and silverstein aren't emo. but if you want similar music to it, check our other bands by the same record labels. victory records, epitaph, geffen, drive-thru. mainstream emo bands most importantly have the emo look down, so that is an easy way to spot them.

also, try going to your local venue to see the bands u enjoy, they usually tour with like sounded bands and you can find out new bands easily this way.

[Bartender]

Before I address this, just let me say that I'm not one of the more knowledgeable emo fans here. I just know what I've picked up from DFelon, BuddyBigsby and so on.


bright eyes is not rock, nor are elliot smith, or damein rice. nor they pop. they surely are not pop rock.

Damien Rice and Elliott Smith are also very much not emo. They make music heavy with emotion, but that's not the same as emo.

you guys have a set opinion of what emo is, and can't tolerate that other people having their own opinion of what emo is. if you search over the web and music mags you will see the bands u consider "punk-pop" are more considered emo.

Genre isn't about opinion.

with emo becoming heavily radio mainstream, the cure's "love song" and radiohead's "creep" were revived on the airwaves. neither of those bands emo, but those 2 songs with the sorrowful yet beautiful lyrics with the melodic and catchy melodies fall into line with what many consider emo.

I don't see what place this is taking in your argument, but in any case, the same point as applies to your labelling of Damien Rice and Elliott Smith applies here.

thursday IS considered emo by most people, as they find comfort is my chemical romance's music and vice versa.

What?

and the person who originally started this thread just wanted to know a few new emo bands. i'm sure he/she meant mainstream emo, or the pop-punk u guys refer it to. you guys thrashed this thread so that people who originally came here for the mainstrem emo that you guys believe to be punk-pop left.

No, that's precisely what the thread was not supposed to do. It was originally started (yes, by iliketoplaydrums) in order to list bands which actually are emo (those in the the second post), as opposed to those commonly misconceived as emo (most of what you listed).

people like you guys destroy everything with your eliteness. your kind is in all subcultures. from skating to surfing, to poetry, to art, to fashion, to music. you guys obviously know much, but you believe you know it all and you treat newbies to the sub-culture with such hostility that it takes out the fun.

If you were watching some people skateboarding, and someone else comes along with a scooter and insists she is skating, and the skaters explain that what she is doing is not skating, are the skaters being arsehole elitists? Or are they just trying to correct her?

Or, to wring this dry, if you were attending a poetry reading, and one of the performers got up on stage and danced, and it is patiently explained to him that dancing is not, in fact, reading poetry; again, are they being bastards, or just informing him of what a poetry reading actually is?

[BuddyBigsby]

Great analogy Bartender.

And september, your problem is you're basing your knowledge on mainstream rock magazines. I mean come on, "Even revolver calls Senses Fail emo"... give me a break. The guys that write at magazines like that don't come from that scene and really know very little about it. I mean come on, these same guys were JUST writing articles on Korn a couple years ago before hardcore became cool, you think they know their ****? No. They just echo what other mainstream media outlets are spewing out at the MTV culture. I mean come on, pretty much every single 'hardcore' band they cover in there they describe something like "a mixture of Swedish death metal, hardcore fury, and screamo". I remember once they described ETID somewhat like that. Its pretty ridiculous.

Your little history there is incorrect. I know you've probably read this somewhere in this thread, but I'll give you a really quick rundown anyways.

Emo came about in the 80's from hardcore punk. Rites of Spring, Antioch Arrow, Moss Icon, Swing Kids were a few of those bands. Listen to them now, and you'll understand the roots of emo. Now, taking into account the sounds of these bands, you REALLY think Good Charlotte and Finch evolved from that? No way, my boy. Want to know what came from that? Listen to The Khayembii Communique, City of Caterpillar, Yaphet Kotto, or Saetia just to name a few. If you don't do that, you don't deserve to argue this any further.

[xdecembersXrustx]

i know and seen a lot of metalcore and hardcore bands.. and some grind if any one wants info on them

[DFelon204409]

Bartender and Buddy's explanations were so sufficient I feel that the only thing I have left to say is that, september endings, you have just been beaten. Hard.

[Happymeal]

damion rice

:lol:

[TaMaRoCkStArCuStOm312]

idk if My Chemical Romance is Emo or Sceamo or either but how do u guys feel about them? i kinda like them myself

[cbmartinez]

Their first CD was good, They are pop-punk though.

[NewKindofArmy03]

I'm starting to get into Envy, are they considered a screamo band?

Also, recommend me bands like them, I like this stuff a lot.

[cbmartinez]

Love 'em.

Pageninetynine
Crestfallen
Saetia
A Day In Black And White (http://www.purevolume.com/adayinblackandwhite)
Hot Cross (maybe...)

They are pretty similar.

[september endings]

Genre isn't about opinion.

Music, like art and poetry is.

I don't see what place this is taking in your argument, but in any case, the same point as applies to your labelling of Damien Rice and Elliott Smith applies here.

I was getting at the point that emo is different to everyone, and varies much. From Damien Rice, Taking Back Sunday, to My Chemical Romance, to Saves the Day. That certain songs of a band can be emo while the band is not. Or bands that are emo can make songs that are not.

thursday IS considered emo by most people, as they find comfort is my chemical romance's music and vice versa.

My Chemical Romance along with the Mars Volta are leading the mainstream emo on the airwaves. My Chemical Romance, in real life are good friends with Thursday. Through interviews, the admit to find inspiration from their music through each other. They both are emo (in my opinion), and ( i believe they) would classify one another as emo.

If you were watching some people skateboarding, and someone else comes along with a scooter and insists she is skating, and the skaters explain that what she is doing is not skating, are the skaters being arsehole elitists? Or are they just trying to correct her?

Or, to wring this dry, if you were attending a poetry reading, and one of the performers got up on stage and danced, and it is patiently explained to him that dancing is not, in fact, reading poetry; again, are they being bastards, or just informing him of what a poetry reading actually is?


you are mixing sub-cultures. in skate there are genres of skate. 3 of them i believe. they they blend into each other all the time. and in skate, just like this board, there are elitist who try and classify the way professionals skate, and define their own genre of skate in their own fashion.

of coarse, if a band got up on stage and started rapping u would call them out and tell them they are not emo. but when PEOPLE WHO STUDY MUSIC FOR A LIVING, INTERVIEW BANDS, PHOTOGRAPH THEM, AND MAKE A PROFESSION AT IT CALL BANDS EMO AND INTERNET BOARD BLOGGERS SAY OTHERWISE, i would rather believe the people who get paid to know their stuff.

i was comparing you guys to the elitists in the other sub-cultures when u guys were hostile to other posters simply for disagrying with you, or not knowing as much music knowledge as you. like eliists in other sub-cultures do.

like when that guy went off on how much from autumn to ashes sucks and that he could write a 5 page essay on how much they suck. reminds me of sceney art snobs who bash each other's art.

once again, music is about fun, enjoyment, and personal taste and opinion. you guys acting all high and mighty take that out of this.

Your little history there is incorrect. I know you've probably read this somewhere in this thread, but I'll give you a really quick rundown anyways.

that wasn't my history, it was taken from audiogalaxy.com.

granted, audiogalaxy could be completely wrong. and maybe the writers at revolver who actually come into contact with numberous of these bands face to face, person to person could be completely wrong. and perhaps, my chemical romance, senses fail and the emo bands are even wrong in catagorizing themselves. it is entirely possible that everyone is wrong but you.

all you guys have to back up yor arguments are your opinions. "becuase i said so." even me citing actual sites, magazines to prove my points are irrelavent to you guys.

being as narrowminded as you guys are, no matter how much proof i give you, or who i cite. your idea of emo founded on your own opinions as to how the music genre evolved, will remain right to you.

so i give up.

Listen to The Khayembii Communique, City of Caterpillar, Yaphet Kotto, or Saetia just to name a few.

i will do that. I'm always up for new music.

[chips88]

:lol:

[Bartender]

"Genre isn't about opinion."

Music, like art and poetry is.

I won't quote the rest of your post (and make points against bits of it), because this is where the problem lies. Music is about opinion in so far as liking it or not, yes, but not with genres. A band either plays one type of music (and I don't mean that there are no bands that mix styles of music, before you throw that back at me) or they don't, it's not individual to each person listening. For example, Slayer (broadly) play metal. Saying that to you, Slayer's music is punk doesn't make it so. Genre isn't opinion, and so it can be wrong.

[BuddyBigsby]

September, you seem like an intelligent guy, so I'm going continue this in as mature a manner as I can. The problem is, you're taking your information from the wrong people. Revolver magazine, I'm sorry to say, is not the greatest authority on a genre like emo. Their writers are paid to write about all kinds of music, mainstream music. The majority of them (as there is bound to be a few) haven't been in the scene and don't know what they're talking about, this is why for underground music, you must turn to underground publications such as zines or even websites. I mean, the guys at Revolver that write about Senses Fail and emo are the same guys that write about Korn. They know a little bit of everything, but emo is something that the mainstream media is wrong on. I'm somewhat of a journalist and one of the first things I was ever taught is that the MOST important thing in writing, is to write in consideration of your audience. If your audience thinks that Senses Fail and Silverstein are emo because another media outlet has been shoving that down their throats, then guess what... you're going to reenforce that belief and keep the subscriptions coming. A lot of it is politics.

I'm going to be really cliche here by posting this link... and I think this site goes a little bit overboard with classification, but it WILL give you a general idea of emo and its roots and where it has come today... www.fourfa.com

[DFelon204409]

Also, I feel it's wrong about the classification of emocore, and the name "emocore," in the first place. Maybe people did use it but break down the word "emocore." If emo is emotional hardcore, and core stands for hardcore, then you're naming a genre emotional hardcore hardcore. That's a little fishy to me. Also, how are HWM and Samiam more like hardcore than standard emotional hardcore. Not at all if you ask me. This is where the genres pop-punk and indie come into play.

[DFelon204409]

Listen to Grade. They're the most tame emo band I can think of mostly because they're not completely emo. Why don't you check them out. Also, I wouldn't dare tell you a band that isn't emo isn't emo, because that'd be uppity towards such a high standing member of mx with 200 posts and a recent join date. Wow! Man, I hope you like Grade or else you coulud negative rep me!

[BuddyBigsby]

Dont Post Stuf About How Faf Isnt Emo Cuz They Aer Whether U Liek It Or Not So Bl3h11!!111 Omg Lol Anyon3 3lse Liek This Band Or Know Soma Similar Bands?!!?!! Omg Wtf Lol

[cbmartinez]

Kaospilot is cool. They also sound like Envy.

[Wow]

I love kaospilot.

[bendurarmstolooklikewings]

you know what we should all write letters to magazines like revolver, ap, rock-sound, and law of inertia and flame them until they get it right and then most people will not be ignorant and know what real emo is. and as for classifying bands like taking back sunday funeral for a friend, etc., i call it nu-emo. i actually like most of it, but not as much as hot cross and the like

[Ghettotwinky666]

Ok, Im Just Sick Of U Fags, How Can U Like That Crap, All They Talk Bout Is Some European Women For Cripes Sake Get A ****in Life U Dum Fuks Listen To Some Gawd **** Good Musik For Gawds Sake, Ur All Idiots Who Shop At Hot Topic For Nothing, Fags!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!if U Get Dumped Get Another Ho Fromt He Stable Dont ****in Cry **** Cunts. Gawd I Hate U Emu Losers And Screaming Has No Purpose, Ur All Fags And Idiots And I Hope U All Burn In Hell With Ur Fag Musik, And If This Offends Anyone Dont Go To The Hospital From Tryin To Kill Urself, Fags

[Bartender]

Well that was good for a bit of a laugh.

[DFelon204409]

I'm pretty sure that's from a joke account.

[Bartender]

Well at least it's now a banned joke account.

Kind of odd to sign up for a joke some 5 months prior to doing anything, though.

[DFelon204409]

I have a joke account that's been around since 2002.

[capri sun junkie]

capri - the address is written on a post it at home, and also I am going to rip the CD and give it to you if that doesn't work so chill out.

Not to be impatient or anything... But how is either of those coming?


:upset:

[iloveatreyu]

dude.. what is atreyu considered? i dont even know, but i love them

[cbmartinez]

Metalcore.

[maximus752]

my chemical romance is so sick, but has anyone ever heard straylight run, or the postal service? theyre both really emo.

[cbmartinez]

None of those bands are emo. Straylight Run and My Chemical Romance are pop-punk. The Postal Service is electronica.

[Tangy zizzle]

What are Swing Kids considered to be genre-wise?

[cbmartinez]

I think they are considered hardcore, but they might have been an emo band. Like in the sense of the original "emotional hardcore" defintion.

[BuddyBigsby]

Emocore in the classic sense.

[chips88]

dude.. what is atreyu considered? i dont even know, but i love them

Really, I couldn't tell :rolleyes:

but yeah, like Chris said, they're metalcore, but not in the traditional sense, I mean, they're not true metalcore, i.e. Unearth or Walls of Jericho etc.

[cbmartinez]

Unearth is metal, pal.

[DFelon204409]

Unearth is metalcore. They have a breakdown on every song but it's just not in the traditional sense considering the song structures are metallike so the breakdown can come from no where. They're like 90% metal, 10% core.

[cbmartinez]

True. But I'd still be reluctant to call them metalcore.

[chips88]

True. But I'd still be reluctant to call them metalcore.

How about good stuff?

[cbmartinez]

Unearth is pretty good.

[Gnarmageddon]

I love Unearth

[40 oz 2 freedom]

They're good and all, but they're nothing new and way overrated.

[cbmartinez]

I wouldn't say overrated. I've never heard them be overrated around here, anyway. But then again, most people around here are still applying the word hardcore to bands like The Used and Atreyu.

[chips88]

I think I am going with two of my friends to see them with Atreyu and Norma Jean, for only $15!!!! Should be badass, I'm looking forward to it. You can rag on those bands all you want, but they all put on a kickass show.

[shabutie]

I've heard good things about Norma Jean live...but for the guy who said straylight run aren't emo...I like um and I've always thought they were.

[40 oz 2 freedom]

Norma Jean has a pretty good live show, but I didn't really like their new singer.

[Rasta Rocker]

back to the thread topic, has anyone suggested barry white? thats the classic/most obvious (along with marvin gaye) music style for _____________(insert whatever you call having sex)

[Jiffy]

im sure this'll sound wierd but is ryan cabrera emo? i have freinds arguing that he is...
and what about All American Regects....

[Tangy zizzle]

No.

& no.

[DFelon204409]

back to the thread topic, has anyone suggested barry white? thats the classic/most obvious (along with marvin gaye) music style for _____________(insert whatever you call having sex)

Dude, that's my other thread.

[hurley_punk101]

would u class thursday as emo/screamo?

[DFelon204409]

would u class thursday as emo/screamo?

No. The only emolike quality is that they have a lot of clean tone guitars with reverb a la Saetia but that's about less than 1% of their music.

[bendurarmstolooklikewings]

what about welcome the plague year, are they screamo?

[DFelon204409]

Never heard of them. I'll give them a listen and report here:

Now that is some ill ****ing screamo.

Care to file transfer me some songs other than "Behold a Pale Horse."

[cbmartinez]

/me is going to see Welcome To The Plague Year with Envy in Philly :)

[Wannabe Emo001]

Yeah, Some really good **** is like, Hawthorne Heights, Underoath and I guess I can throw in It Dies Today, cause they come from my town (also the fact they kickass.)

(Rock on.)

[BuddyBigsby]

Just let it go, guys.

[Wow]

Hawthorne Heights are from Ohio.
I'm from Ohio.
Hawthorne Heights play shows in Ohio.
I go to shows in Ohio.
I would throw **** at them but then I'd probably get kicked out of the place, considering anyone around here who has bands play are total pricks.

[DFelon204409]

Yeah, Some really good **** is like, Hawthorne Heights, Underoath and I guess I can throw in It Dies Today, cause they come from my town (also the fact they kickass.)

(Rock on.)

Is it irony that somebody who's screen name is wannabe emo (in a clear and failed attempt at logical complexity in the English language) recklessly praises wannabe emo bands in a true blue emo thread, or is it just flagrant stupidity? You tell me.

[chips88]

Is it irony that somebody who's screen name is wannabe emo (in a clear and failed attempt at logical complexity in the English language) recklessly praises wannabe emo bands in a true blue emo thread, or is it just flagrant stupidity? You tell me.

a large amound of both, I would suppose.

[Happymeal]

I just listened to An Albatross' albums today, I didn't know they had some nintendocore in them as well. My only complaint would be, like with a lot of other grind/screamo bands, the length of the songs.

[DFelon204409]

They ain't really nintendocore because they're more focused on dancy retardation than making fun of the novelty of nintendo. Whatever. It's a fine line and I can't even believe I'm typing this I'm such a nerd.

[srt-4]

Is it irony that somebody who's screen name is wannabe emo (in a clear and failed attempt at logical complexity in the English language) recklessly praises wannabe emo bands in a true blue emo thread, or is it just flagrant stupidity? You tell me.

underoath isn't wannabe emo. they aren't trying to be anything, and i'm sure they don't want to be emo. they just are playing the type of music they want to play. now HH, even though i was just listening to their cd in my car today, i can't really defend.

[DFelon204409]

underoath isn't wannabe emo. they aren't trying to be anything, and i'm sure they don't want to be emo. they just are playing the type of music they want to play. now HH, even though i was just listening to their cd in my car today, i can't really defend.

You missed the point. I would have said fake emo if it weren't for the kid's screen name, which was wannabe emo, hence the change. Hawthorne Heights just sucks. I mean come on; my dad listens to them.

[capri sun junkie]

Hawthorne Heights just sucks. I mean come on; my dad listens to them.

Wow, and I thought I was ashamed of my dad's music tastes...

[BuddyBigsby]

underoath isn't wannabe emo. they aren't trying to be anything, and i'm sure they don't want to be emo. they

Excuse me? Listen to "The Last" and then listen to "Young and Aspiring"

[DFelon204409]

This torrent sit has some rare stuff from a lot of cool hardcore/emo bands. This post is mostly for shane and buddy.

http://www.bi-torrent.com/379.htm

[cbmartinez]

I just listened to An Albatross' albums today, I didn't know they had some nintendocore in them as well. My only complaint would be, like with a lot of other grind/screamo bands, the length of the songs.

An Albatross ****ing rule. Sure, they may not make Nintendo references, but most of their synth lines are so fun and sound like they came out of a Nintendo game.

[srt-4]

Excuse me? Listen to "The Last" and then listen to "Young and Aspiring"

i have cries of the past, i know they sound different. so what, that doesn't prove your point. you are assuming that that is the music that they want to play and that they are playing the music they play now to become popular. but really, they don't want to make that music, they want to make what they make now. so if they did keep making music that sounded like their old stuff, they would be doing exactly what people accuse them of doing now.

and as for hh, like i said, i'm not going to try to say they are good, but i have to admit that i listen to their cd from time to time.

[BuddyBigsby]

And why do you think they want to make what they make now? You think it's just complete coincidence that their new sound also happens to be the hot ticket right now? I mean it's working, I've seen their fan base nearly double in numbers since the new one came out.

[srt-4]

And why do you think they want to make what they make now? You think it's just complete coincidence that their new sound also happens to be the hot ticket right now? I mean it's working, I've seen their fan base nearly double in numbers since the new one came out.

so what if that sound is popular? they can't like to play it if it is popular? the old sound wasn't so much the band as it was dallas, so why shouldn't they play what they want now? i don't really know that much about most bands, but i know a decent bit about underoath being that they are from the same city as me, and EVERYBODY here seems to know them somehow. and they didn't say, "we are going to make music that sounds like this just so we can make money" like you seem to think.

[BuddyBigsby]

Yeah, I guess they accidentally sold out. Nice how that worked out for them.

[srt-4]

ya, they should have kept making music they didn't want to make, just so they were respected by elitist kids. thats what music is all about anyway. now that i know they aren't cool enough any more i will go throw away my underoath cds. will i get scene points then?

[BuddyBigsby]

You know what, you're absolutely right. I think it's terrible that Dallas made Underoath create music their vibrant little pseudo-emo hearts didn't want to make for three straight albums. How dare he. He even made them tour for 5 years on music they didn't want to be playing. What a monster!

[BuddyBigsby]

Oh well. You're still cool for liking Saetia and Portrait and stuff. I do disagree with you on this strongly however.

[srt-4]

haha, thanks. we will just agree to disagree then. i am just happy for them they are doing good, since they are real nice guys. and thanks again for the interpunk tip for getting the portrait cd.

[Happymeal]

I don't know where else to post this. Is there anyone else who prefers March On Electric Children over their debut? Sure, it's leaning a bit more on BPIB, but musically imo it's better than This Adultery is Ripe.

[DFelon204409]

Agreeing to disagree if for pussies.

[DFelon204409]

is*

[cbmartinez]

I don't know where else to post this. Is there anyone else who prefers March On Electric Children over their debut? Sure, it's leaning a bit more on BPIB, but musically imo it's better than This Adultery is Ripe.

I find March On Electric Children is not really cohesive. Sure, they've progressed musically but the focus isn't really on the music. I don't know, This Adultery Is Ripe still stands as the album that is the most cohesive, spastic, focused, hard-hitting, well I could go on forever.

[SubtleDagger]

Even against DFelon's arguments, some people are beyond help (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6165491#post6165491).

[vallely2004]

Even against DFelon's arguments, some people are beyond help (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6165491#post6165491).

I cant believe you!

Im not sure how youd classify Glassjaw, are they emo/screamo? Because obviously I know nothing so i must ask before I say anything.

[SubtleDagger]

I cant believe you!
Why?

Do you know how many times your argument has been posted and easily refuted in here?

If anything, I'd love for you to take it in here so even more people can display how wrong you are.

[SubtleDagger]

Im not sure how youd classify Glassjaw, are they emo/screamo? Because obviously I know nothing so i must ask before I say anything.
Glassjaw is mostly just a rock band, though they have some small and relatively insufficient ties to emo.

[vallely2004]

Why?

Do you know how many times your argument has been posted and easily refuted in here?



None, i just searched for my username and the name 'vallely' as some refer to me as it, in this forum and I couldnt find any matches! :thumb:

[SubtleDagger]

None, i just searched for my username and the name 'vallely' as some refer to me as it, in this forum and I couldnt find any matches! :thumb:
I'm talking about the argument you presented that MCR is an emo band, which is wrong and has been shown to be wrong many times in this thread.

[vallely2004]

Genre isn't about opinion.


I was getting at the point that emo is different to everyone, and varies much. From Damien Rice, Taking Back Sunday, to My Chemical Romance, to Saves the Day. That certain songs of a band can be emo while the band is not. Or bands that are emo can make songs that are not.

My Chemical Romance along with the Mars Volta are leading the mainstream emo on the airwaves. My Chemical Romance, in real life are good friends with Thursday. Through interviews, the admit to find inspiration from their music through each other. They both are emo (in my opinion), and ( i believe they) would classify one another as emo.



Only found 2-3 posts refuting that My Chemical Romance are not Emo, this one and another one were pro My Chemical romance = Emo

[SubtleDagger]

Only found 2-3 posts refuting that My Chemical Romance are not Emo, this one and another one were pro My Chemical romance = Emo
Their [MCR's] first CD was good, They are pop-punk though.
Also, the post you quoted and several others like it have paragraph-long replies that refute those statements easily.

In reply of the post you quoted:
I won't quote the rest of your post (and make points against bits of it), because this is where the problem lies. Music is about opinion in so far as liking it or not, yes, but not with genres. A band either plays one type of music (and I don't mean that there are no bands that mix styles of music, before you throw that back at me) or they don't, it's not individual to each person listening. For example, Slayer (broadly) play metal. Saying that to you, Slayer's music is punk doesn't make it so. Genre isn't opinion, and so it can be wrong.
September, you seem like an intelligent guy, so I'm going continue this in as mature a manner as I can. The problem is, you're taking your information from the wrong people. Revolver magazine, I'm sorry to say, is not the greatest authority on a genre like emo. Their writers are paid to write about all kinds of music, mainstream music. The majority of them (as there is bound to be a few) haven't been in the scene and don't know what they're talking about, this is why for underground music, you must turn to underground publications such as zines or even websites. I mean, the guys at Revolver that write about Senses Fail and emo are the same guys that write about Korn. They know a little bit of everything, but emo is something that the mainstream media is wrong on. I'm somewhat of a journalist and one of the first things I was ever taught is that the MOST important thing in writing, is to write in consideration of your audience. If your audience thinks that Senses Fail and Silverstein are emo because another media outlet has been shoving that down their throats, then guess what... you're going to reenforce that belief and keep the subscriptions coming. A lot of it is politics.

I'm going to be really cliche here by posting this link... and I think this site goes a little bit overboard with classification, but it WILL give you a general idea of emo and its roots and where it has come today... www.fourfa.com

[vallely2004]

Also, the post you quoted and several others like it have paragraph-long replies that refute those statements easily.

yes I noticed that quote you posted. And actually I read the whole post I quoted and those were the only times it mentioned MCR!

[SubtleDagger]

yes I noticed that quote you posted. And actually I read the whole post I quoted and those were the only times it mentioned MCR!
Check the edit.

[DFelon204409]

I cant believe you!

Im not sure how youd classify Glassjaw, are they emo/screamo? Because obviously I know nothing so i must ask before I say anything.

*draws sword*

Would you really like to continue this argue in the proper thread?

To answer some questions from throughout the thread...

You (or some other idiot) asserted that MCR could not be pop punk because they are too complex. I'm going to subdivide this into a) why pop punk can be complex and b) why MCR is simple.

a) Pop punk as a genre is defined as punk that is catchy enough to render it popular to the general public. This includes what is usually a dumbing down or simplifying of lyrics. This genre was pretty much invented by the Descendents. If you lsiten to songs of their like "I'm the One" or "Original Me," you'll know that they're actually sort of complex. The drumming is standard fare of fast stuff but the bass and the chord progressions are sick. There is a lot of interesting stuff going on in these songs, prooving that pop punk indeed can be a complex thing. Other bands that add some complexity to pop punk: No Use for a Name, Lagwagon, Coheed and Cambria

b) I mean in the face of bands like Psyopus and Dillinger Escape Plan, or Beethoven and Mahler, most music is pretty freakin simple. If I were to analyze MCR songs against these guys, there's no question that MCR is more of a poppy farce than anything else. To make you feel it more I'm going to analyze their individual playing style against NFG. Yes, that's New Found Glory. Let's take the new single from Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge since you claim that MCR definitely didn't sell out. All I hear are high pitched repetitive vocal melodies with minimal screaming, straight forward drumming, and straight palm-muted guitar chord progressions. Lame. If you're still not believing me listen to NFG's single from their new CD Catalyst. Everything's the exact same, they even have the little scream section thanks to Chad Gilbert, formerly of Shai Hulud. To sum up what I'm trying to say, MCR is simple on a par with other radio friendly pop punk bands.

You (or some other tool) also said that Rancid wasn't pop punk and even reinforced this point with uncessary exclamation points. Unfortunately, you are wrong. Sure they've had some even hardcore punk songs in the past (if we're going to look at Rancid 2000) but now that they're on Atlantic Records (when they swore they'd enver sign to a major) and released an album with ridiculously dummed down lyrics and songs to mass fan appeal, I have trouble seeing that they remain a punk band. Pop punk seems much better.

[SubtleDagger]

*draws sword*

Would you really like to continue this argue in the proper thread?

To answer some questions from throughout the thread...

You (or some other idiot) asserted that MCR could not be pop punk because they are too complex. I'm going to subdivide this into a) why pop punk can be complex and b) why MCR is simple.

a) Pop punk as a genre is defined as punk that is catchy enough to render it popular to the general public. This includes what is usually a dumbing down or simplifying of lyrics. This genre was pretty much invented by the Descendents. If you lsiten to songs of their like "I'm the One" or "Original Me," you'll know that they're actually sort of complex. The drumming is standard fare of fast stuff but the bass and the chord progressions are sick. There is a lot of interesting stuff going on in these songs, prooving that pop punk indeed can be a complex thing. Other bands that add some complexity to pop punk: No Use for a Name, Lagwagon, Coheed and Cambria

b) I mean in the face of bands like Psyopus and Dillinger Escape Plan, or Beethoven and Mahler, most music is pretty freakin simple. If I were to analyze MCR songs against these guys, there's no question that MCR is more of a poppy farce than anything else. To make you feel it more I'm going to analyze their individual playing style against NFG. Yes, that's New Found Glory. Let's take the new single from Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge since you claim that MCR definitely didn't sell out. All I hear are high pitched repetitive vocal melodies with minimal screaming, straight forward drumming, and straight palm-muted guitar chord progressions. Lame. If you're still not believing me listen to NFG's single from their new CD Catalyst. Everything's the exact same, they even have the little scream section thanks to Chad Gilbert, formerly of Shai Hulud. To sum up what I'm trying to say, MCR is simple on a par with other radio friendly pop punk bands.

You (or some other tool) also said that Rancid wasn't pop punk and even reinforced this point with uncessary exclamation points. Unfortunately, you are wrong. Sure they've had some even hardcore punk songs in the past (if we're going to look at Rancid 2000) but now that they're on Atlantic Records (when they swore they'd enver sign to a major) and released an album with ridiculously dummed down lyrics and songs to mass fan appeal, I have trouble seeing that they remain a punk band. Pop punk seems much better.
Dammit, DFelon, you should be a politician.

[_Alexisonfire_]

What would you classify Alexisonfire in?

[DFelon204409]

Only found 2-3 posts refuting that My Chemical Romance are not Emo, this one and another one were pro My Chemical romance = Emo

Dude. Searching a thread for MCR isn't going to reveal the countless Subtle, others, and I have argued comparable arguments down into the ground. MCR is just like tons of other equally generic and bland pop punk bands that scream every so often like Hawthorne Heights, Finch, Taking Back Sunday, or Brand New, and we've argued down all of the arguments for those bands being emo. I'm telling you that you are wrong and that you're not going to win this argument. Either accept that we're right or run away with your tail between your legs. Listen to Hot Cross and try to tell me that MCR is as emo as that. Listen to Saetia. List to Off Minor. Listen to Circle Takes the Squares. Listen to multitudes of bands that proove you wrong. Do something! My GOD YOU'RE STUPID!

[vallely2004]

Quote from www.fourfa.com

"-By 1999, this type of music had achieved a fan base far larger than any of the original emo stuff. In fact, that's what prompted me to write this website in the first place - the glut of info on the web about this and the lack of a historical perspective. Statistically, you the reader are most likely to be familiar with this type of emo. In the years since then, it's only grown far, far bigger. Jimmy Eat World and Thursday are in regular rotation on MTV and many corporate alternative radio stations, and sappy music like this Dashboard Confessional fellow is pulling in a whole new audience. This is well on its way to becoming a major demographic market. But the original emo influence is still there, for instance Jimmy Eat World, who used to open at every emo show in Phoenix way back in 1994."

JEW and Taking Back Sunday = ALOT LIKE MCR!

[DFelon204409]

Dammit, DFelon, you should be a politician.

No man. When I grow up I'm destined to be a jackass.

P.S. Are you in college yet? I want to be your facebook friend.

[SubtleDagger]

Dude. Searching a thread for MCR isn't going to reveal the countless Subtle, others, and I have argued comparable arguments down into the ground. MCR is just like tons of other equally generic and bland pop punk bands that scream every so often like Hawthorne Heights, Finch, Taking Back Sunday, or Brand New, and we've argued down all of the arguments for those bands being emo. I'm telling you that you are wrong and that you're not going to win this argument. Either accept that we're right or run away with your tail between your legs. Listen to Hot Cross and try to tell me that MCR is as emo as that. Listen to Saetia. List to Off Minor. Listen to Circle Takes the Squares. Listen to multitudes of bands that proove you wrong. Do something! My GOD YOU'RE STUPID!
Did you read the link I posted?

He said he listens to just about all those bands and still thinks MCR is emo. I don't get it.

[SubtleDagger]

No man. When I grow up I'm destined to be a jackass.

P.S. Are you in college yet? I want to be your facebook friend.
I'm not sure if I'm going to college or not yet.
JEW and Taking Back Sunday = ALOT LIKE MCR!
Way to completely miss the point.

[vallely2004]

Way to completely miss the point.
I didnt read his pos before posting mine own, because I was serching through the EMO site www.fourfa.com :thumb:

[DFelon204409]

Dude. fourfa.com is completely wrong about the evolution of emo from 1994-present. If you'd like, after dinner I'll write it out for you vallely.

[SubtleDagger]

I didnt read his pos before posting mine own, because I was serching through the EMO site www.fourfa.com :thumb:
First off, MCR are not anything like JEW and TBS.

Second off, TBS and JEW are not standard emo bands anyway.

[vallely2004]

At the end of the day guys, Im not giving in or backing down. I have listened to proper emo especially Rites of Spring and Hoover, all I am saying at the end of the day is that MCR are a lighter version in the emo sector. I'm not saying they are are full on emo.

And I think you (SubtleDagger and DFelon204409) are way too narrow minded when it comes to opinions and genres. You may listen to many genres but thats not my point, you take music way too seriously at the end of the day. I really actually couldnt give a toss whether MCR are emo or not (I know I had this big argument but so what? I have time on my hands tonight!), I listen to music I like regardless of genres.

[SubtleDagger]

At the end of the day guys, Im not giving in or backing down. I have listened to proper emo especially Rites of Spring and Hoover, all I am saying at the end of the day is that MCR are a lighter version in the emo sector. I'm not saying they are are full on emo.

And I think you (SubtleDagger and DFelon204409) are way too narrow minded when it comes to opinions and genres. You may listen to many genres but thats not my point, you take music way too seriously at the end of the day. I really actually couldnt give a toss whether MCR are emo or not (I know I had this big argument but so what? I have time on my hands tonight!), I listen to music I like regardless of genres.
You're still wrong, because they have no element of emo at all, and you are incorrect in suggesting it. Genres have no opinions involved, a band either utilizes a genre or they don't, and MCR do not have any emo. You lose, game over.

[pixiesfanyo]

I think there should be a rule that states, arguing with S&L vets means you lose.

[SubtleDagger]

I think there should be a rule that states, arguing with S&L vets means you lose.
/truth

You just wait, though, morrissey will end up being a vet and will prove our theory wrong.

Or DD and ATC. :'(

[the-UK-ska-scene]

Dude. fourfa.com is completely wrong about the evolution of emo from 1994-present. If you'd like, after dinner I'll write it out for you vallely.

Actually if you did that I'd read it, it'd be cool... If the offer still stands. Thanks :thumb:

[DFelon204409]

Actually if you did that I'd read it, it'd be cool... If the offer still stands. Thanks :thumb:

When I'm drunk kid, when I'm drunk.