(Hard Rock) Alter Bridge: One Day Remains

[splashfreak]

Alter Bridge: One Day Remains

I was looking forward to this album ever since I heard Mark Tremonti was doing a side project away from Creed. Finally, it has arrived: Creed without Scott Stapp. However, it is even better than I imagined, since Alter Bridge has a much heavier sound, and their new singer, Myles Kennedy, has one of the best voices I've ever heard.

So, on with the review. The guitar is handled by Mark Tremonti, one of the best (IMO) guitarists of his generation. Myles Kennedy does the vocals, and as I said before, he is amazing. He has an incredible range, he never screams, and his voice never gets annoying. The drums are performed by another ex-Creed guy, Scott Philips. I always thought he was an incredibly mediocre drummer during Creed's first three albums, often recycling the same beat in different songs, and he didn't have very good fills. That has all changed; one listen of Metalingus, and you can tell he has improved dramatically. As for the bass, played by another ex-Creed guy, Brian Marshall, I'll admit, I can't even pick out the bass in a lot of songs, I have no idea if he is good or not, but I assume he is, because the music sounds good.

Alright, track by track, here we go:

Find the Real: The album opens with a nice, heavy song, that also showcases a pretty cool solo by Tremonti however, it is one of his simplest. But then again, simple for Tremonti is not necassarily very simple... He uses the Wah throughout, giving it an interresting sound. The drumming fits the song, nothing special there. The lyrics are probably some of the leats generic on the album (this album has pretty generic lyrics... not bad, but not all groundbreaking). This is one of the few songs where i can pick out the bass. Very good. 4.5/5

One Day Remains: The title track of this album is so different from the rest of the songs on the album it isn't funny. It isn't particularly heavy, but it is very fast, with an awesome intro. Definitely not like most songs I've heard. Very good. The solo is awesome, really fast throughout but not shredding. The drums are basic most of the way, but the fills in this one are really good, and the intro ton the toms is sweet. 4.5/5

Open Your Eyes: They chose this as their single for an obvious reason; it sounds the most like Creed. It has their usually heavy chorus/pensive verse thing. The solo in this song is downright awesome. Philip's drumming has definitely expanded to different horizons on this song. He actually plays on the snare drum for most of the verse, and it sounds really nice. Probably one of the weaker tracks on the album, it would be nothing special if not for the awesome solo by Tremonti. 4/5

Burn it down: This song kicks so much butt. After my first listen to it I thought i was slow boring and dreary. Wow. That was dumb. The song builds slowly and efficiantly, until it gets to yet another completely awesome solo. The lyrics are probably the best on the album--not nearly as generic as everything else. 5/5

Metalingus: This is when the album turns from really good to incredible. The intro to this song is awesome, the chorus is awesome, the verse is awesome, Philip's drumming is at his best... I can't say enough about this song. 5/5

Broken Wings: This is one of the songs that Tremonti wrote intending for it to be played acoustically as well as electric. The verse is very monotone, which sets up an awesome chorus. The change-over is awesome, the singing and the lyrics are awesome, the bridge is great, the whole song is really cool. The drumming is extremely boring, but it fits the song pretty well. 4.5/5

In loving memory: Alright, I'l admit it; I'm a sucker for power ballads with awesome changeovers between the verse and the chorus. This song has the best of them all. I get chills when this switches to the chorus. Definitely the best power ballad ever in my opinion. 5/5 if you love power ballads, otherwise I'd probably give it a 4/5.

Down to my last: Very good song. Has a great solo, the drumming is a little more interesting, the lyrics are cool. Creed fans would love this song, but it doesn't sound too much like them that non-creed fans wouldn't. The lyrics are once again incredibly generic, but they aren't bad. 4/5

Watch your words: has a cool but weird intro. The verse sounds like a distorted version of a haunted house song, but it also sounds great. The lyrics, however, are a little lacking on this song. Too bad, since the instruments are awesome. It also sounds a lot like Metallica. 4.5/5

Shed my skin: oh yeah! Great song. The lyrics go back to great on this song, and as usual, the singing is great. This one is very reminiscent of older rock, and it is very enjoyable. The outro is awesome, with everyone singing, and Tremonti going crazy on his six stringed machine... 4.7/5

The end is here: Another pensive verse/heavy chorus, but this one doesn't sound at all like Creed. It has a very metal edge to the chorus, and the interlude is awesome. The drumming is almost as good here as on metalingus--Philip's does quite a bit of double bass and he pounds the beat trhough during the interlude. 5/5

Well, there you have it. I think what makes this my favorite album is the melodies. They are just incredible. And without melodies, you don't have a song. If you are into music for emotional lyrics and simple songs, this isn't exactly your album--you would still probably enjoy it, but it wouldn't be the most amazing thing ever. But if you like Soaring melodies and screaming solos, you will love this album

4.7/5 overall. It blows away anything else I've ever heard. The whole album is just... perfect. It has great guitar, singing, drumming and maybe the bass is great too--I wouldn't know. lol

But this is by far the best album I have ever heard. HOWEVER, to comply with the crazy rules on this site, i have not given it a 5/5 because they have not reached ground breaking status YET. If they can make an album that puts straightforward rock back on top--i mean rock that doesn't have a freaking turntable in every song--THEN they would deserve a 5/5. But not quite yet, i guess.

[Distorted Vision]

This has been recommended to me quite a few times, I went off Creed years ago but this sounds promising. Decent review.

[The JoZ]

I always thought the weakest part of Creed was Stapp, followed by Marshall...

I'd like to hear one more track before deciding on this though...Open Your Eyes is not a bad track, but I want to hear something least like Creed...

[Against Miik!]

Tremonti is still to much of a show off. He throws a fast solo in the new single where one is clearly not needed. He thinks he is God's gift to music, and I have little respect for him. They still sound like generic radio rock to me.

[YDload]

This just proves how much of an asshole Scott Stapp is. I mean, why would all of his bandmates toss him out, get a new singer that sounds almost like him, and play almost exactly the same music as they did before? There are no "creative differences" here, just one guy who couldn't stop being Jesus.

I hope this band sells twice as many records as Creed, because all they ever had was chart-topping success without the critical acclaim. If Stapp values it that much, he'll surely crucify himself if this band gets bigger.

[screamo_rocks_101]

ouch!!! that hurt, but its an opinion so im not gonna say anything. Personally i liked creed (nobody hate me for this), and this new band Alter Bridge isnt to bad either. But everybodys always saying how bad creed sounded and their guitarist sucks. Obviously none of them have ever played an instrument nor realize how much work goes into it all, trying to make it all sound good, only to have people turn around and b!tch about it. Seriously, some of these people should be drug out and forced to make a cd, that sounds good, and when it doesnt, see if they like having all that sh!t thrown at em. Now i know it sounds like im a diehard creed fan, but im most definately not, im just sayin i wish people would stop ragging on them about the music. Maybe they werent the best band ever out there, but if you think you can do better, why dont you record yourself and post it on here. Until then, respect them for being musicians who try to make good music, dont hate them cause the music sucks.

[screamo_rocks_101]

I always thought the weakest part of Creed was Stapp, followed by Marshall...

actually brian marshall, their bassist, left the band after my own prison, from then on they had a touring bassist with them.

[The JoZ]

actually brian marshall, their bassist, left the band after my own prison, from then on they had a touring bassist with them.

Either way, Creed bass was never that special

[RollerQueen]

ouch!!! that hurt, but its an opinion so im not gonna say anything. Personally i liked creed (nobody hate me for this), and this new band Alter Bridge isnt to bad either. But everybodys always saying how bad creed sounded and their guitarist sucks. Obviously none of them have ever played an instrument nor realize how much work goes into it all, trying to make it all sound good, only to have people turn around and b!tch about it. Seriously, some of these people should be drug out and forced to make a cd, that sounds good, and when it doesnt, see if they like having all that sh!t thrown at em. Now i know it sounds like im a diehard creed fan, but im most definately not, im just sayin i wish people would stop ragging on them about the music. Maybe they werent the best band ever out there, but if you think you can do better, why dont you record yourself and post it on here. Until then, respect them for being musicians who try to make good music, dont hate them cause the music sucks.

Alright. I'll also stop complaining about bad lyricists until I'm on level with Whitman and Shakespeare. I'll stop complaining about how much microwavable wings suck until I can cook better ones myself. I'll stop talking about how terrible of a job any politician is doing until I can run a country myself.

As for the tunes, Tremonti's a good guitarist but the single's solo is definitely over-the-top and made to shoot down any accusations that he can't play while not fitting with the song's mood/feel at all, inevitably taking away from the point of the solo in the first place.

Also, I don't think that, as per the forum's rules for rating an album, this cd is necessary for any fan of music, the basis of a 5/5. The review was good but entirely too biased in the end. Ah well, to each his/her own.

[splashfreak]

Tremonti is still to much of a show off. He throws a fast solo in the new single where one is clearly not needed. He thinks he is God's gift to music, and I have little respect for him. They still sound like generic radio rock to me.

A show-off? You can't be in a band with Scott Stapp for almost a decade and be a show-off. He also does not think he is God's gift to music--where would you get an idea like that? Also, that solo comes at a perfect time, and adds a ton to a song that would have been pretty boring otherwise.

Also, I don't think that, as per the forum's rules for rating an album, this cd is necessary for any fan of music, the basis of a 5/5. The review was good but entirely too biased in the end. Ah well, to each his/her own.

Isn't deciding what CD is necessary for every fan of music something that involves opinion? It is my opinion that everyone who likes music should own this CD, I like it THAT MUCH. You might not agree with me, but don't tell me that I'm "biased" because I like an album. Yeah, sure, my like for the album comes through some, but if it had all come through, every song except burn it down would be a 5/5. And no review is perfectly unbiased. By its very nature, music appeals to some and not to others. This CD appeals to me like no other CD ever has, and that it is what I was saying. You can't give anything but ones opinion, and an opinion will always be "biased".

[RollerQueen]

Something tells me this is going nowhere...

Simply put, the purpose of these reviews is to be as objective as possible. You can get into a huge argument as to how difficult it is to be objective on something as subjective as art but that's not what this is about. The criteria is stated and stickied at the top of the forum. That's great that you're giving your opinion but everyone has an opinion. Presenting them as judgement helps nobody. While it may be fickle and fussy to put so much value in an internet forum about music reviews, the rules are there for a purpose.

To put it another way, Jimmy Eat World is my favourite band and I love all of their albums but even I'll admit that none of their records are worth a 5/5, maybe barely a 4/5. They don't particularly define genres and though their literacy may change someone's perspective on their genre, it's not like not having Clarity is a terrible thing. That album also appeals to me like few other albums.

Also, it is hard to take your words very seriously seeing as the album has been out for less than a week stateside. While I honestly appreciate the review not flaming the band for being Creed's fallout project, it is rather frustrating to see such a blatantly subjective "review" that so goes against the very purpose of the forum. If your review was a follow-up post to a review, I would certainly not quarrel. As a strong believer in following rules when they are for the better of everyone, I have to disagree with your review and your stance and justification for the review.

I assure you that this is no personal vendetta against you. My problem is with what you wrote in respect to the foggy view of the foundation of this forum. Nothing more. Please do not take this personally. :)

[Bartender]

Yeah, the ranking basically runs as;

5/5 - Should be an absolutely essential listen, inside and out of the genre, or else have done something amazing like created/crystallised an entire genre. Something truly special.

4/5 - An essential buy for fans of the genre, and a good record to use to introduce people to this kind of music.

3/5 - A recommended album for fans of this band or this genre; probably a good example of the genre, but nothing really great.

2/5 - For hardcore fans of band/genre only; they should at least be aware it exists.

1/5 - Better off buried.

No one uses this though :(

[superpeer]

But 3/5 seems so low. :(

[The JoZ]

...Which is why I still believe we need to implement 10/10, and why I've been doing it in more of my own reviews...

I've never heard this album, but if it's above average, it could easily pull a 7 or maybe, maybe even 8/10. It's not essential (10/10) and not even totally groundbreaking (9/10) but it's a cut above the rest of the albums in this genre (6, 7, 8/10)

5/10 could be completely average for the genre. Not bad, but not adding to

4, 3 = Below average; the album shows lack of effort, or is generally too repetitive, cliche, to be enjoyed by anyone but the most hardcore of fans

2, 1 = Don't waste your time on this one

[Bartender]

Why not..

I've never heard this album, but if it's above average, it could easily pull a 3.5 or maybe, maybe even 4/5. It's not essential (5/5) and not even totally groundbreaking (4.5/5) but it's a cut above the rest of the albums in this genre (3, 3.5, 4/5)

2.5/5 could be completely average for the genre. Not bad, but not adding to

2, 1.5 = Below average; the album shows lack of effort, or is generally too repetitive, cliche, to be enjoyed by anyone but the most hardcore of fans

1, 0.5 = Don't waste your time on this one
?

What's the difference?

[The JoZ]

I dunno. I personally think it's easier to judge from 1 / 10 as opposed to getting nitty gritty with these half points.

[Vlad_The_Moose]

Tremonti is still to much of a show off. He throws a fast solo in the new single where one is clearly not needed. He thinks he is God's gift to music, and I have little respect for him. They still sound like generic radio rock to me.

1) Tremonti's solos are awesome. U mentioned mainstream... how many acts out there actually have solos in their tunes (besides Godsmack and a few other bands), and i'm not talking a 3 note punk solo;
2) Also, it's fresh to hear a solo again - I love the way the guitar is coming back and is on the forefront of a lot of bands as opposed to turntables or s*** like that
3) Eddie Van Halen, Dimebag Darell, and Kirk Hammet all play fast solos too; but retards like YOU don't question their talent. Tremonti is an old school soloist who enjoys shredding as much as anyone else, and it's really not your call on whether a song needs a solo, mr Bob Rock

P.S. Lindsay Lohan sucks

[mexicanfloydian]

Good review.

Lindsay lohan is hot, so shut up.

[splashfreak]

It is an OPINION whether or not an album is essential!! There is NO WAY to be objective about it!!! there will never be an album that everyone in the world agrees is good. NEVER. Does that means there should never be 5/5's? Don't think so.

1) Tremonti's solos are awesome. U mentioned mainstream... how many acts out there actually have solos in their tunes (besides Godsmack and a few other bands), and i'm not talking a 3 note punk solo;
2) Also, it's fresh to hear a solo again - I love the way the guitar is coming back and is on the forefront of a lot of bands as opposed to turntables or s*** like that
3) Eddie Van Halen, Dimebag Darell, and Kirk Hammet all play fast solos too; but retards like YOU don't question their talent. Tremonti is an old school soloist who enjoys shredding as much as anyone else, and it's really not your call on whether a song needs a solo, mr Bob Rock

P.S. Lindsay Lohan sucks

I pretty much agree with everything you said there. It is also refreshing to see an intelligent post once in a while...

[Bartender]

It is an OPINION whether or not an album is essential!! There is NO WAY to be objective about it!!! there will never be an album that everyone in the world agrees is good. NEVER. Does that means there should never be 5/5's? Don't think so.

1) Tremonti's solos are awesome. U mentioned mainstream... how many acts out there actually have solos in their tunes (besides Godsmack and a few other bands), and i'm not talking a 3 note punk solo;
2) Also, it's fresh to hear a solo again - I love the way the guitar is coming back and is on the forefront of a lot of bands as opposed to turntables or s*** like that
3) Eddie Van Halen, Dimebag Darell, and Kirk Hammet all play fast solos too; but retards like YOU don't question their talent. Tremonti is an old school soloist who enjoys shredding as much as anyone else, and it's really not your call on whether a song needs a solo, mr Bob Rock

P.S. Lindsay Lohan sucks

I pretty much agree with everything you said there. It is also refreshing to see an intelligent post once in a while...

So first of all, anyone who agrees with you is intelligent, and anyone who doesn't, isn't? Posting like that will get you nowhere, so please don't.

Yes, of course it is opinion. You can never get outside of your opinion, but, you can temper opinion with common sense. I've read your review, and what you're saying is that it is a first class example of hard rock; it's not doing anything new or different, it's not creating a new genre or blowing away our concept of music as we know it, so why should it get a 5?

[Zipperface]

now dont think i dont have respect for most musicians but i must say that solo is a bit over the top for that song. a great solo but it doesnt really add any texture to the song. and in my opinion, alter bridge is creed.creed is alter bridge and frankly their a little too mainstream for my taste. BRING ON THE BLACK METAL!

[splashfreak]

So first of all, anyone who agrees with you is intelligent, and anyone who doesn't, isn't? Posting like that will get you nowhere, so please don't.

No, that isn't what I was saying at all...

Yes, of course it is opinion. You can never get outside of your opinion, but, you can temper opinion with common sense. I've read your review, and what you're saying is that it is a first class example of hard rock; it's not doing anything new or different, it's not creating a new genre or blowing away our concept of music as we know it, so why should it get a 5?

I DO THINK it blows away all other rock and roll!! That is my opinion! I think they are more talented than any other band I've ever heard.

[YDload]

They're no more or less talented than Creed, the only difference is the personality of the lead singer.

[Bartender]

I DO THINK it blows away all other rock and roll!! That is my opinion! I think they are more talented than any other band I've ever heard.

There you go, "other rock and roll", making it a prime example of the genre. Not a world-slaying album.

[splashfreak]

They're no more or less talented than Creed, the only difference is the personality of the lead singer.

Yeah, because musicians never get better. Scott Philips is exactly as talented as he was when he was fifteen. And Myles has a WAYYY better voice than Scott Stapp (anyone who tells me Myles sounds like Scott is an IDIOT, because Myles doesn't sound a THING like Eddie Vedder, who Scott sounds almost exactly like).

There you go, "other rock and roll", making it a prime example of the genre. Not a world-slaying album.

Whatever that means. To tell the truth, I didn't read the "rules", I didn't know there was "rules" for writing CD reviews, but it is by far the best album I have ever heard, so I figured a 5/5 made sense.

[Bartender]

To tell the truth, I didn't read the "rules", I didn't know there was "rules" for writing CD reviews

Well there's your mistake.

EDIT: More than anything else, this CD has been out all of five minutes, so there's nothing to say it'll "stand the test of time" (stupid cliches).

[The JoZ]

It's already better than anything Creed ever did

...it could get 5/5 based on that alone ;)

[Cain]

Having read all the reviews, replies, and recriminations in this thread, I'm gonna put in my two bits on this CD. Since I just registered with mxtabs today, it'll also serve as something of an intro to my opinions on modern music in general.
First off, the intro. As my slightly crappy username ("so what are you, a bulldog?") may suggest for those metaphor-conscious individuals out there, I consider myself to be more of a "ripper" than a "shredder." This is because I possess no technical skill whatsover in the speed-picking department: my solos are played close to completely legato, like Satriani as opposed to Vai, for instance. I am quite fast, though, and am up to the level where I can play most of Satch's stuff, to give an idea of the skill level. And also, melodic rock has always been better than metal as far as what I choose to play: I would practice Rush over Dream Theater, even though I like them both a lot.
Now, the two bits. I got the CD the day it came out and I think it kicks *** in a lot of ways. Here's the list of why.
1.) Tremonti's playing
Tremonti finally busts loose with his metal-schooled soloing all over the place on the album, which is very heartening to me. I have long been waiting for rock guitar players to reacquire the use of their balls and realize that showing you actually know that there are notes beyond the 12th fret is not a bad thing. The time has been long overdue for players(and fans, too, for that matter) to quit being such credibility-conscious pansies and understand that rock soloing is one of the most expressive (and badass) ways to communicate the message of your music, and is usually a hell of a lot more original than recycling the same chord progression unto the ending of the world while claiming that "you wrote" it. Tremonti, from the moment I heard his awesome solo on "Pity for a Dime" on Creed's first album, has always had my respect as a guitarist with ability, and has always seemed poised to bring this torch back to the rock lexicon. He seems to do it with a vengeance on most spots on the album.
2.) Phillip's drumming
Well, he certainly sounds better than ever before. After he didn't even attempt a double-bass drum blast on the otherwise super-heavy Creed song "Bullets," it's very exciting to hear him rectify that error on "Metalingus."
3.) The high notes
While singing in his midrange, unfortunately, the new guy from the Mayfield Four sounds depressingly similar to ****head Stapp from the old group, but when he starts going into the upper register...well, I wouldn't go as far as some people (comparing him to Chris Cornell, All Music Guide? Shame on you), but it certainly opens up many more melodic possibilities than the incessantly whiny-sounding Stapp would probably have provided on the same material.
4.) The differences
Let's face it. The lead single does sound exactly like Creed. Matter of fact, the whole album pretty much sounds like Creed. Except...wait...something's missing...oh, yeah! No f***ing pretentiousness!! (By the way, I think it's real funny that Stapp donated songs to Passion of the Christ, which throws his old argument that "Creed are not Christian" out the window, but that CD of songs "inspired by" the movie has not a single Stapp song on there, so Stapp is releasing it later this year as his solo piece). In addition, there is waaay more musicianship. "One Day Remains?" The title track floored me so badly I started laughing as I was listening to it, saying "Oh, my GOD, this is so f***ing GOOD!" It sounds NOTHING like what Creed usually put out, and for a another reason, too. The songs are way more "up" sounding, and even the heavy stuff like Metalingus and Watch your Words sounds more like "Let's have fun being cool and derivative," instead of the old "Let's be dark and moody post-grunge poseurs that God hates." The fingerstyle intro to "In Loving Memory" is gorgeous. Let's see Good Charlotte come out with anything half as good.
But I'm not unobjective. There are several factors, mostly resulting from a seeming lack of confidence in the integrity of the new band from its ex-Creed members, that bring this listening experience down for me. Here it is:
1.) Tremonti's playing
"Hey, ashole, u jus contadicted urself." Yeah, I know, so don't even bother flaming me about it. Let's be clear. I love the fact that Tremonti solos like a madman on these songs, but the thrill comes more from its symbolic impact ("Finally, somebody's doing it again!"). Actually, though, Tremonti does not do a very good job of judging which type of solo should go in which song. After blasting out two amazing, perfect solos in the first two songs, he ruins everything in "Open Your Eyes," with a shredding solo that is not called for at all. Slow, melodic, yes. Maybe even a "ripping" one wouldn't have been bad. But a shredding one? No, no, no. Tremonti. Buddy. I know you memorized every excercise in "Speed Mechanics for Lead Guitar." I saw your quote on Troy Stetina's website. Now, millions of record buyers know it, too. Now go back to your SRV and Pink Floyd albums and don't come back until you've played some nice, slow music instead of a whole lot of fast notes.
2.) Name that chord progression
Yes, sadly, Good Charlotte is actually the least talented member of the bands that suffer from this syndrome. Especially in the latter half of the album, the chord progressions, while gorgeous, musical, and resolutely not "weird," nevertheless leave a nagging feeling of deja vu while being listened to. And that's more annoying than an obvious, direct quote. Melodies and differences in tempo can usually offset this, but unfortunately the tempo is 100 beats per minute, and I think I've heard the melody somewhere before too.
3.) Oh, the Creedness
It's very disappointing. I know it's basically the same band, but still, these guys have made so many awesome modifications to their sound that make them so much better than Creed ever was, and then they chicken out on which song to use for their lead single. You are playing better, sounding better, with no Christ posing this time, and I know that you're a generally different band from Creed, but your introduction to the rest of the world sounds exactly like your old band. I tell you, that's not a good sign to all the Creed-haters that you have to convert. "One Day Remains" better be a single at some point, or I will be so royally pissed off.
So, that's it, basically. Long post, huh? Sorry. Anyway, I'm sure I'll get replies to this, and I look forward to the like-minded individuals. And, hell, I look forward to the flames, too, because they always make me laugh. Bottom line: Alter Bridge is better than Creed ever was. It takes a few massive steps in exactly the right direction. Take a few more risks with your next series of songs, and you should be on top of the world. If you don't, then you are truly Creed under another name, and sadly the music listeners who matter--the musicians--will not be listening to you for very long.
EDIT: Sorry if some this sounded smart-alecky. I have strong opinions on stuff like this.

[YDload]

Sorry Ripper22, but you have to elaborate a little if you ever want to be taken seriously on these forums.

[Bartender]

Welcome to MX, that was a good first post.

[splashfreak]

^^^^^^^

I agree with some of what you said, but I really like the solo on Open Your Eyes. To me, it fits perfectly.

Anyway, this was my first review,I didnt't know about all of these rules, but I would STILL give this album a 5/5 even now.

Bottom line: Alter Bridge is better than Creed ever was. It takes a few massive steps in exactly the right direction. Take a few more risks with your next series of songs, and you should be on top of the world. If you don't, then you are truly Creed under another name, and sadly the music listeners who matter--the musicians--will not be listening to you for very long.

I agree with that, and I'm of the opinion that without Stapp around anymore, they will go in the right direction.

[Tangy zizzle]

****.

[SubtleDagger]

it is by far the best album I have ever heard
You need to listen to more albums.

[The JoZ]

****.


...and here's an example of how not to post.


Honestly, no matter how good this is, it shouldn't get higher than a 4, MAYBE a 4.5 if it was outstanding. I'll judge better after I've heard more, I'm sure.


Hat's off to ripper for a great post though.

[Loverman519]

its late...im tired....i dont feel like writing a book sharing my thoughts on this album.

i will say this though..these guys are pretty good at what they do. i'll agree the album is far from groundbreaking, but i still think its a pretty kickass cd that deserves at least a chance from everyone. i want to comment on the complaints people have tho, mainly with the similiarities people find in this band to their ex band creed. expecting something very different from creed is a mistake to begin with, since a band is a band and they will produce music that they create best, based on their style. when youve been a band for a long time, you become attached to your style, and the songs that flow out come pretty naturally and you dont really think twice about them. so before you criticize the band for sounding too much like creed...just remember: "they ARE creed". and further listening into the album should make you realize that in comparison to other creed albums, there ARE very notable differences, such as ripper and the thread starter pointed out: the solos, as well as the more metalish feel some songs produce.

with that said...i want to comment on tremonti. i dont wanna repeat on what others have said already so im just gonna cut to the point: the guy is talented, and he shows it on this record. i dont need to explain it...you guys are all musicians, the majority guitar players...you guys should know a good player when you hear one...come on now. and the solo on open your eyes...are we not hearing the same song? no matter how hard i try...and trust me....i try, i FAIL to see how ANYONE can see this solo as a "pointless" solo, or a "jumbled flurry of notes" as i think one person called it. the solo is my favorite part of the song, and saying that it doesnt fit it is absurd? ARE YOU SERIOUS!? the buildup to it is perfect...when its at its peak, its perfect, and the end PERFECTLY brings the song back to its chorus. it fits the song perfectly boys and girls. everyone put the song on now and crank it, and pay attention...it will click sooner or later.

1 more thing. lets say im wrong and it IS just a showoff solo.

whats wrong with that?

me being a guitarist...if i had HALF the talent tremonti had...i would walk up and down the streets night and day with a guitar and a portable pignose and just show off...so imagine if i had the opportunities to record solos for songs on records...

did we forget what rock music was all about? eruption? free bird? hell...even your ones and sweet child o mines....rock guitar is about attitude. its about balls. that solo has balls...

prove me wrong?


im tired...thats all i have to say right now. peace.

[SubtleDagger]

Tremonti is a boring guitarist. His solos are uninteresting. How anyone can't see that is beyond me. He's like the stereotypical rock guitarist.

[Cain]

Sorry Ripper22, but you have to elaborate a little if you ever want to be taken seriously on these forums.
Elaborate on what, precisely? I didn't think I could go much longer trying to cover the different points of view.
EDIT: BTW, thanks, The JoZ. Appreciate it.

[Cain]

with that said...i want to comment on tremonti. i dont wanna repeat on what others have said already so im just gonna cut to the point: the guy is talented, and he shows it on this record. i dont need to explain it...you guys are all musicians, the majority guitar players...you guys should know a good player when you hear one...come on now. and the solo on open your eyes...are we not hearing the same song? no matter how hard i try...and trust me....i try, i FAIL to see how ANYONE can see this solo as a "pointless" solo, or a "jumbled flurry of notes" as i think one person called it. the solo is my favorite part of the song, and saying that it doesnt fit it is absurd? ARE YOU SERIOUS!? the buildup to it is perfect...when its at its peak, its perfect, and the end PERFECTLY brings the song back to its chorus. it fits the song perfectly boys and girls. everyone put the song on now and crank it, and pay attention...it will click sooner or later.

1 more thing. lets say im wrong and it IS just a showoff solo.

whats wrong with that?

me being a guitarist...if i had HALF the talent tremonti had...i would walk up and down the streets night and day with a guitar and a portable pignose and just show off...so imagine if i had the opportunities to record solos for songs on records...

did we forget what rock music was all about? eruption? free bird? hell...even your ones and sweet child o mines....rock guitar is about attitude. its about balls. that solo has balls...

prove me wrong?


im tired...thats all i have to say right now. peace.

You know, I've got nothing to say except "good job." You proved ME wrong, I think. There's nothing wrong with a showoff solo, as long as there aren't too many, which cannot be said of Tremonti's soloing on the CD. Still, I like expressiveness. I still wish there was more string bending and less picking.

But I guess if Open Your Eyes becomes a huge hit, I'll **** all over what I said and we'll call it even.

[YDload]

Elaborate on what, precisely? I didn't think I could go much longer trying to cover the different points of view.
EDIT: BTW, thanks, The JoZ. Appreciate it.

joke.

[splashfreak]

...and here's an example of how not to post.


Honestly, no matter how good this is, it shouldn't get higher than a 4, MAYBE a 4.5 if it was outstanding. I'll judge better after I've heard more, I'm sure.


Hat's off to ripper for a great post though.

I don't know. a 4/5 seems so... low. Maybe a 4.5/5 would do it justice, I don't know. From now on, when I review CD's, I'm just going to skip the final rating. You get flamed no matter what you put.

I mean, Nirvana's albums had huge effects on the music scene, but does that mean they were good? No. I think they were crap. I don't think an album needs to change music to earn a 5/5.

[splashfreak]

I just went to the "how to review a CD thread". This is what I found.

Rating
Sometimes the easiest part of the review, sometimes the hardest. At mx CDs should be rated out of 5. Now when you rate really think about this. Criteria a rating should apply too
5: The album is fantastic. You keep listening to it constantly, the songs are catchy and enjoyable. Something within the album directly appeals to the listener. This is an album you should be listening to in 5 years still.
4: Strong album. Alot of good points to the album. A track or two may bring it to this level or it may not have great lasting appeal. Should still have something that directly appeals to most music fans.
3: Ok in its backyard. An album which won't appeal to someone that doesn't like the genre. It has good points but also has alot of bad points. Might compare to the mainstream of the genre.
2: Pretty pathetic. Maybe one or two standout tracks but very monotonous. Nothing stands out and grabs the listener. Many bland and boring tracks.
1: Crud. It's boring, it's uninspired. There's nothing unique about it and it's a waste of money. No songs should standout for a rating like this. Musicianship and lyrics may be awful aswell.

One Day remains is fantastic, I listen to it constantly, the songs are catchy and enjoyable, and it definitely appeals to me, the only "listener" I can speak for. I will definitely be listening to it in five years.

So tell me, what did I do wrong with my final rating?

[Bartender]

One Day remains is fantastic, I listen to it constantly, the songs are catchy and enjoyable, and it definitely appeals to me, the only "listener" I can speak for. I will definitely be listening to it in five years.

So tell me, what did I do wrong with my final rating?

Well for one thing, you can't say that you will definitely be listening to it in five years. For another, that thread is a guide to how to review a CD, not the rules themselves. That definition of a 5/5 isn't a good one - since when does music have to be catchy to be enjoyable?


I don't know. a 4/5 seems so... low. Maybe a 4.5/5 would do it justice, I don't know. From now on, when I review CD's, I'm just going to skip the final rating. You get flamed no matter what you put.

That's the point we're trying to make - if you work within the rules of the forum, a 4/5 is not low; it means exceptional within the genre, which is clearly what you think of One Day Remains. It's just adapting to a rating system different to your own personal one.

Obviously you're never going to be able to rate an album so that everyone agrees, but Cd Reviews is first and foremost supposed to be informative. If you refuse to give a final rating to any other albums you review, your review will have to be deleted.

I mean, Nirvana's albums had huge effects on the music scene, but does that mean they were good? No. I think they were crap. I don't think an album needs to change music to earn a 5/5.

Are you ever going to tire of your double standards? You think they're crap, so obviously they don't deserves a 5/5? However, you like One Day Remains, so despite the total lack of major innovation or impact, 5/5 all the way?

I didn't say that an album has to change music to get a 5/5, just that that was one of the possible criteria for a 5/5. I also never said that an album that did change music automatically deserves a 5/5.

[splashfreak]

Alright, well if that was such a crappy description in the thread, why was it stickied and no one made point of correcting it?

Are you ever going to tire of your double standards? You think they're crap, so obviously they don't deserves a 5/5? However, you like One Day Remains, so despite the total lack of major innovation or impact, 5/5 all the way?

I didn't say that an album has to change music to get a 5/5, just that that was one of the possible criteria for a 5/5. I also never said that an album that did change music automatically deserves a 5/5.

Oh. My. Goodness. I'm supposed to forget about my opinion, and be objective, right? What is "objective"? Is it reviewing a CD like the majority of human beings would? Well then, Linkin Park, Good Charlotte, and other crappy bands that have huge followings like them would get 5/5's. Is it reviewing them based upon how complicated their stuff is? Then the Beatles albums would for the most part be crap. Is it based on how they change the music scene? the Backstreet Boys changed the pop music scene, that doesn't mean they are any good.

I don't get this whole "don't give your opinion thing". That is all a review IS. It is an OPINION. My OPINION, is that this is my favorite album ever. I didn't say it HAD to be everyone else's, but I think that it is worthy of a 5/5. to try and tell me that is wrong is YET ANOTHER OPINION.

[Bartender]

I don't get this whole "don't give your opinion thing". That is all a review IS. It is an OPINION. My OPINION, is that this is my favorite album ever. I didn't say it HAD to be everyone else's, but I think that it is worthy of a 5/5. to try and tell me that is wrong is YET ANOTHER OPINION.

I just explained that in my previous post! Look, right here;

That's the point we're trying to make - if you work within the rules of the forum, a 4/5 is not low; it means exceptional within the genre, which is clearly what you think of One Day Remains. It's just adapting to a rating system different to your own personal one.

You're not being told not to give your opinion within the review, because that's what the review is for, as you've said.

But, when it comes to the ranking, that's not what you go on. The definition for a 5/5 isn't just "an excellent CD", that would be a 4/5. The numbers themselves could be done away with - it's just a way of assigning a CD to a certain description.

[splashfreak]

These ridiculous rules make no sense. I come on here trying to just share my opinion of my favorite CD, and people obssessed with rules can't get over the fact that I gave it a 5/5.

I didn't say it was just an "excellent" CD, I think it is the best CD I have ever heard. And here is a qeustion, what CD's ARE worthy of 5/5's, hmm?

[The JoZ]

You know, honestly, maybe we should get rid of the number rating altogether...

I think he's perfectly entitled to think that this is a great CD, even if it is one of the best he's ever heard. He should be able to say that...

However under current guidelines, he can't give it it's top rating, because it's seen as bias...

I think a compromise is in order, because you're both making good points here.

[Bartender]

If he'd qualified his rating, then there would've pretty much been no problem. I don't see a problem with rating what would be a 4/5 under the current system as a 5/5, if there's a qualification with it. He didn't give a qualification, and what's more, the CD hasn't even been out for a week yet. I'm just saying some perspective would be nice.

[The JoZ]

Well, I mean, I can understand your not wanting to rate this particular album 5/5 for those reasons alone...

Actually your post clarifies what I thought was going to cause discrepancies, so, yeah

Carry on

[splashfreak]

If he'd qualified his rating, then there would've pretty much been no problem. I don't see a problem with rating what would be a 4/5 under the current system as a 5/5, if there's a qualification with it. He didn't give a qualification, and what's more, the CD hasn't even been out for a week yet. I'm just saying some perspective would be nice.

First off, I'd like to thank you for not being incredibly rude. On a lot of boards--including some on this site--I would have just been mindlessly flamed to death. I would have probably quit a long time ago if it weren't for the fact that you ARE making SOME sense.

However, I don't quite get what you mean with that post. First off, qualify it? Uh, what do you mean?

Second, so what if the album has only been out a week? I have been listening to the full songs for twice that long (vh1, hear music first), and half length songs for way longer than that on their website. Also, I have pretty much listened to it nonstop since it came out.

However under current guidelines, he can't give it it's top rating, because it's seen as bias...

^That is what I have been trying to articulate. When is it RIGHT to give something a 5/5? I mean, not everyone will agree with you, EVER, so isn't it just an opinion?

[The JoZ]

In essence, what he's saying, is if you can argue your point that it's a 5/5 CD, you can rate it that without a problem.

But I have to say I don't think it can be done for this group or CD, no matter

1) How much you like them
2) How well Tremonti solos

[Against Miik!]

In response to what I read of Ripper22s post, just becuase a solo is fast doesn't make it good. On the first single, the solo is just plain showing off. It doesn't fit the song at all, and I was able to improvise a far more fitting one by simply slowing down the same set of notes he used.

[splashfreak]

In essence, what he's saying, is if you can argue your point that it's a 5/5 CD, you can rate it that without a problem.

But I have to say I don't think it can be done for this group or CD, no matter

1) How much you like them
2) How well Tremonti solos

But dang does he solo well ;-)

Anyway, I think that it is worthy of a 5/5 because everything just SOUNDS better than anything I've ever heard before. I don't know, maybe a 4.5/5 would be better, but in that case I wouldn't be able to rate ANY CD 5/5...

In response to what I read of Ripper22s post, just becuase a solo is fast doesn't make it good. On the first single, the solo is just plain showing off. It doesn't fit the song at all, and I was able to improvise a far more fitting one by simply slowing down the same set of notes he used.

I don't think he ever said that fast=good. The solo is good just because it is. And what do you mean it doesn't fit? the song actually builds up really well to that point, where nothing but a shredding solo would fit. As for him showing off... if you want to think that, think that. Not only does every musician on Earth show off, but Tremonti's solos all make the song better, and as long as they do that, who cares if he is showing off?

[Bartender]

However, I don't quite get what you mean with that post. First off, qualify it? Uh, what do you mean?


Sorry for late reply, my computer crashed. To qualify a statement means to have something after the main statement which modifies or amends it.


Second, so what if the album has only been out a week? I have been listening to the full songs for twice that long (vh1, hear music first), and half length songs for way longer than that on their website. Also, I have pretty much listened to it nonstop since it came out.

The problem is that you have no idea whether the album will stand up to long term listening. There must have been examples in your life (I know there have been in mine) of songs/albums which you've absolutely loved at first, but slowly grown less and less fond of, and maybe even ended up disliking.


I don't think he ever said that fast=good. The solo is good just because it is. And what do you mean it doesn't fit? the song actually builds up really well to that point, where nothing but a shredding solo would fit. As for him showing off... if you want to think that, think that. Not only does every musician on Earth show off, but Tremonti's solos all make the song better, and as long as they do that, who cares if he is showing off?

But doesn't the fact that you're more or less the only person who's posted here who has said those highlighted things tell you something?

Could I also ask why you're not using the quote function? I'm not trying to go for pettiness, I'm just honestly wondering. You're a good poster so far, and quotes would make your posts a lot easier to read.

[splashfreak]

Could I also ask why you're not using the quote function? I'm not trying to go for pettiness, I'm just honestly wondering. You're a good poster so far, and quotes would make your posts a lot easier to read.

Umm, because I didn't know how. Let's see if this works...

[splashfreak]

Hey, it worked.

But doesn't the fact that you're more or less the only person who's posted here who has said those highlighted things tell you something?

Yeah, that no one agrees with me. That doesn't make me wrong, it just means I have a different opinion.

[Cain]

In response to what I read of Ripper22s post, just becuase a solo is fast doesn't make it good. On the first single, the solo is just plain showing off. It doesn't fit the song at all, and I was able to improvise a far more fitting one by simply slowing down the same set of notes he used.
How much of my post did you read? I understand if you didn't read it all, as I kind of turned it into a god**** book(way too long), but I did clear up that issue with the Open Your Eyes solo, and my opinion was in total agreement with yours.

[darkwhite]

EVERYONE SHUT THE **** UP AND LISTEN TO THE ALBUM AND THEN TALK ABOUT IT. IN THIS THREAD THE THREADSTARTER AND I AND MAYBE ONE OTHER WHOLE ALBUM!!!!!!! so listen to it.....sorry about the caps but its the only way i know how to yell on here. stop basing your opinion on an album based on the first RADIO VERSION single and nothing else....Open Your Eyes is probably one of the lesser songs on the album

[darkwhite]

by the way...so far i agree 100% with the threadstarter or whoever that splash guy is

[RollerQueen]

Are you trying to say that if everyone heard the album, nobody would dislike it? I've heard the album and I stick to what I said on the first page.

[demon_LLAMA]

Tremonti is still to much of a show off. He throws a fast solo in the new single where one is clearly not needed. He thinks he is God's gift to music, and I have little respect for him. They still sound like generic radio rock to me.

If you don't like guitar solo's get out of here!!!

[Bartender]

He didn't say he doesn't like guitar solos. He said he doesn't like that guitar solo.

[splashfreak]

EVERYONE SHUT THE **** UP AND LISTEN TO THE ALBUM AND THEN TALK ABOUT IT. IN THIS THREAD THE THREADSTARTER AND I AND MAYBE ONE OTHER WHOLE ALBUM!!!!!!! so listen to it.....sorry about the caps but its the only way i know how to yell on here. stop basing your opinion on an album based on the first RADIO VERSION single and nothing else....Open Your Eyes is probably one of the lesser songs on the album
by the way...so far i agree 100% with the threadstarter or whoever that splash guy is

hey, thanks for the support. Yeah, I wish more people would listen to the album, and I wish more people would like fast solos...

My ears are ringing from all of the shouting, though ;-)

[darkwhite]

am i the only one in here who thinks that people should not reply to a review unless they have listened to AT LEAST half the songs on the album? and splash .... no prob...im sick of all these deusch bags who think that just cause tremonti was in a band with stapp that nothing he does will ever be good (it is sad that he is associated with him, i wish everyone would FORGET about creed and imagine alterbridge is just 4 guys who are new in the music idustry....the only way to get past the whole stapp mishap)

[splashfreak]

am i the only one in here who thinks that people should not reply to a review unless they have listened to AT LEAST half the songs on the album? and splash .... no prob...im sick of all these deusch bags who think that just cause tremonti was in a band with stapp that nothing he does will ever be good (it is sad that he is associated with him, i wish everyone would FORGET about creed and imagine alterbridge is just 4 guys who are new in the music idustry....the only way to get past the whole stapp mishap)

Well, I pretty much agree with that. I don't think ALL these guys are idiots, or anything, though...

[T-Web]

Is this heavier than creed or almost the same as creed?

[Iai]

My only comment on this album, is that I wish Tremonti would have gone through with his other planned project. Jamey Jasta singing, and I can't remember the drummer, but I remember it being someone good. Hah, I found out about that when I bought a Tremonti SE, not having a CLUE who Mark Tremonti was. Then I found out he was in Creed, and felt really **** about myself. So I clung to that hope.....

....for that reason I'll check out Alter Bridge. Then I might be able to say 'Tremonti's the guitarist from Alter Bridge' and not feel ashamed.

[splashfreak]

Is this heavier than creed or almost the same as creed?

DEFINITELY heavier.

[darkwhite]

this album isnt like creed and is just all chord patterns with a solo an album( not a very good one at that) and a riff here and there. splash is there even a song on the album (besides in loving memory) that doesnt have a solo or a sweet riff? actually in loving memory has a cool sound to it...sorta like a riff

[splashfreak]

this album isnt like creed and is just all chord patterns with a solo an album( not a very good one at that) and a riff here and there. splash is there even a song on the album (besides in loving memory) that doesnt have a solo or a sweet riff? actually in loving memory has a cool sound to it...sorta like a riff

Well, I actually LOVE in loving memory, but...

Anyway, yeah there is a solo in most songs, and there is a sweet riff in all the songs...

[SSSnake]

Ok after listening to **** loads of music over the years and owning more than 500 albums spread out over the past 40 years I must say this is one of the strongest mainstream releases EVER. I was a little doubtful at first but this album has captivated me with its diversity and strenght. Every song is well crafted and has an incredible feeling. Plus when you listen to the album you will not believe that these are the former Creed guys. Myles (the new singer) soars above all of the others with great raw ability and control, and he can replicated live unlike most singers these days. Tremonti has come out to show that he is one of the best mainstream guitarists in the past 10 years. Everything he does is well written and jumps from one part to another flawlessly. Brian and Flip have come into there own and show off what they are really capable of. Its saddening that we didnt see this with Creed, but this new band is definately a blessing to the business. People may speak of Velvet Revolver and AudioSlave being some of those great new supergroups but AB blows them outta the water! In my opinion these guys will be leading the way for the future.

[splashfreak]

Ok after listening to **** loads of music over the years and owning more than 500 albums spread out over the past 40 years I must say this is one of the strongest mainstream releases EVER. I was a little doubtful at first but this album has captivated me with its diversity and strenght. Every song is well crafted and has an incredible feeling. Plus when you listen to the album you will not believe that these are the former Creed guys. Myles (the new singer) soars above all of the others with great raw ability and control, and he can replicated live unlike most singers these days. Tremonti has come out to show that he is one of the best mainstream guitarists in the past 10 years. Everything he does is well written and jumps from one part to another flawlessly. Brian and Flip have come into there own and show off what they are really capable of. Its saddening that we didnt see this with Creed, but this new band is definately a blessing to the business. People may speak of Velvet Revolver and AudioSlave being some of those great new supergroups but AB blows them outta the water! In my opinion these guys will be leading the way for the future.

That's it. Enough people agree with me, I'm changing the rating back to five.

Everything you just said is what I have been saying all along. This album blows mainstream music AWAY. That is worthy of a 5/5.

[SSSnake]

For those who have a problem with Myles read this


Ok, this rant has been boiling within me for a couple of weeks now. I've been hearing a fair amount of negativity and complaining (mostly from other sites) about Myles' voice and how it doesn't fit this sort of rock music. We kind of had a thread like this a couple of weeks ago, but it was deleted, the reason being, I would imagine, some of the language became virulently invective and hostile, so the mods probably thought it best to err on the side of caution and delete it. I will accept some blame on that, because the thread was started by someone complaining about Myles' "whiny" voice, so, naturally, I came to the defense (along with others) with a TOTALLY ironic comment about how guys like Myles, Robert Plant, Geoff Tate, Rob Halford, etc, (you know, rock singers with phenomenal range) how they all suck and cannot sing rock. I even ended it with a "PS: All of the above was BS". But, a couple of people didn't read the last part, and they were getting a bit irascible and the thread took a dive for the worse. This was unfortunate, as, I feel this subject needs to be addressed. Myles Kennedy has an incredible old school voice, and, put in the proper context, his voice might not seem such a strange companion with Mark's music.

In case I forget, I would like to applaud Mark for making a very bold and progressive choice by choosing Myles, because Mark must have known that this would be a tough transition, and he must have had a lot of confidence in their music to present something that is significantly different than what Clear Channel and the like are cranking out like soda cans. Mark must also have a lot of faith in the fans and our ability to retain an open mind. With this freshman effort, in a business that insults our collective intelligence on a daily basis, Mark and company have both challenged us and paid us the ultimate complement, and, since we're not in my favorite thread, I'll go ahead and say it: Mark rules.

Ok, *ahem* so does Myles' voice fit with rock music? Of course it does, but, since no one asked me anyway, let's examine the query more objectively and take a look from an historical perspective.

In the late '60s and early to mid 70s(ish), this is when rock music began to get "harder", as the guitarist like Jimi Hendrix , Jimmy Page, Tony Iommi, Tommy Bolin, Richie Blackmore, Pete Townshend, Joe Perry, etc...the progenitors of rock music and, by way of rock, metal. Now, the NATURAL complement to guitarists of this caliber were vocalists with ranges of equal caliber. In a time when rock music was blossoming, nay, EXPLODING, these vocalists would set the standard in rock. We would have Robert Plant, Geddy Lee, Jon Anderson, Glenn Hughes, Ian Gillan, Steve Walsh, Steve Winwood, Steven Tyler, Tommy Shaw, Freddie Mercury, Dio, and the list could go on, I'm sure, and feel free to let me know who I left out. Point is: a singer with range and rock music were FAR from mutually exclusive.

(which, it is always at this point that, when I hear someone complain of Myles' "whining voice", I think to myself, "Then this person is obviously not a Zeppelin fan, cos, when it comes to a 'whine', Plant makes Myles sound like Tom Waits." Also, by the way, Tom Waits and Robert Plant are both awesome, but I digress...)

Now, also, at this same point in time, great singers were flourishing in the R&B realm (which, really, was the great thing about radio in the 70s, a single station would go from Marvin Gaye to Yes, but, yeah, those days are gone...anyway...). Singers like Stevie Wonder, Philip Bailey, Maurice White, Marvin Gaye, the Reverand Al Green, etc...Motown was exploding as well. (Point of trivia: September of 1971, the month I was born, top of the r&b charts was "Inner City Blues" by Marvin Gaye. And which totally superlative lead singer of Alter Bridge did a cover of that song? Believe it, Myles F'n Kennedy!)

Ok, now, in the 80s is when the genres of music really splintered, as you had pop, r&b, new wave, rock, hard rock, and the beginnings of "heavy metal", I won't really go into just how many sub genres there are, because, frankly, I don't know them all, as I tend to ignore those sorts of labels these days. In any case, by 1984, hard rock had, not one, not two, but at least 3 different guys that took vocal range to the next level: Rob Halford, Bruce Dickenson, and Geoff Tate (who would be label in later years as the Three Tremors). Other vocalists in rock that had the range inspired, or encouraged, by those vocalists of the 70s would be Steve Perry, Prince, Bono , and, again, the list could go on, feel free to chime in.

Now, here's where things get tricky. Along comes the 90s...(and keep in mind that the dates are general, as I'm about to include Soundgarden in the 90s when, in point of fact, Louder Than Love was released in 1989 and that wasn't even their first album, just the first one I heard...). Now, the singers that flourished in this era (and a few of them still are) were singers that concentrated less on range, as their primary focus was the emotion conveyed and the songwriting. Now, I'm not saying that you can't have both (as all of those listed above do, and do indeed...), but, the late 80s would have a few vocalists, and I'll not name names (but, hey, you guys feel free to), who managed to score some fame, and they may have had range, but had very little emotional content and scant, if that, songwriting capability, so, part of the natural evolution of rock would necessitate the emergence of vocalists emphasizing songwriting and emotional content. And the vocalists that would lead this charge would be Eddie Vedder, Layne Staley, Scott Weiland, Kurt Cobain, Rob Zombie, and Billy Corgan. Now, the oddball of this crew I saved for last: Chris Cornell, he had it all, but, as all rules have the exception, so was Chris.

Now, from this point further, the vocalists with the range were regulated to the genre of progressive rock (Labrie of Dream Theater or Alder of Fates Warning), r&b, or remained on the fringes of rock, such as Jeff Buckley, who never enjoyed extraordinarily lucrative success, but scored a loyal fan base and critical acclaim. In any case, they would not be considered welcome in the realm of modern rock by radio. Also, you have guys like Thornley whose band Big Wreck was regulated to "neo prog" even though I just heard a lot of 70s rock in there...but, then, 70s rock like Zeppelin and Sabbath had progressive tendencies, as, back then, the radio and the public wouldn't punish guys like that when their songs ran a little long...again, I digress

Also, either causing or because of the near disappearance of the guitar solo (that's another discussion), the need for the singer with range in rock has also diminished. Solos became short or nonexistent, and the new generation of singers inspired by the Vedder/Staley/Weiland school, such as ST@pp, Scallions, Sully, to name a few, emerged and enjoyed success; whilst, the guys with range, again, would stay on the fringes.

Now, it's 2004 (I'm pretty sure, anyway...)...so, what's going on? What's going on is that the singers with range are not being heard on the radio, unless they are playing classic rock and you catch a Journey song or a Zeppelin song or a Judas Priest song.

And, what about Mark Tremonti? This is his project, and, I get the feeling that he has had to hold back a lot for the last few years (and you guys would probably know better than me, as you guys are mostly hardcore Creed fans, I followed Myles here from MF4), and Mark was wanting to really cut loose. I submit that, not only was choosing Myles a great choice, it was the necessary choice. Mark wants flexibility, to do what he wants to do without feeling stifled, and Myles provides that for him with the same versatility.

Myles Kennedy...what can I say about him that I haven't been saying for the past few months on here...well, let me sum up. Myles' vocal skills are the perfect marriage of the emotive rock singers of the 70s like Plant and Tommy Shaw, the strength of guys like Dio, the resplendent r&b stylings of Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder, breath control and sustain of vintage Geoff Tate, and the modern edge of singers that cut their teeth on similar aforementioned influences such as Cornell and Buckley. Helluva guitar player, too...

Myles Kennedy is where the past meets the future!!! I heard that somewhere...can't remember where, but, it's catchy, yeah?

Now, it goes without saying that you don't have to like Myles' voice. If it's not your particular brand of vodka, then there is PLENTY of other stuff out there on the radio and elsewhere for you to listen to. ST#pp's new album comes out pretty soon, and the Tea Party is solid, so, enjoy.

But, the fact is this: Myles Kennedy is Mark's lead singer.

Here endeth the rant...


Also, I am saying nothing remotely derogatory about any singer I have listed here, I'm merely pointing out the differences. EVERY SINGLE SINGER that I have named here, I have some of their work. It's all music, it's all good, it's why we are here.

Oh, yeah, one more thing:

Myles Kennedy rules!!!

[YDload]

I still think Myles sounds a lot like Stapp (his name isn't censored here, by the way), but all that proves is that Mark Tremonti enjoyed the deep-throated bellowing of Stapp but hated his attitude, so he formed another band and got a singer that sounds a lot like his old bandmate but much more tolerable.

P.S. I don't like Robert Plant's voice all that much; it's too "Axl-y" at times.

[splashfreak]

I still think Myles sounds a lot like Stapp (his name isn't censored here, by the way), but all that proves is that Mark Tremonti enjoyed the deep-throated bellowing of Stapp but hated his attitude, so he formed another band and got a singer that sounds a lot like his old bandmate but much more tolerable.

I'm not saying this in a derogatory way, but have you heard any songs besides open your eyes? If you haven't, I can see where you are coming from, for a few reasons. First, open your eyes sounds ridiculously like creed. Second, Scott Sta*p always sang for Creed. Third, Myles is singing to a song that sounds like all of the songs that St**p sang sound like. Our minds can easily play tricks on us and fit their two voices together even when they don't sound anything alike, if they have the same background.

If you HAVE heard their other stuff... come on man, get real.

Anyway, I put it this way. Does Myles sound like Eddie Vedder? If not, he can't sound like Scott St*pp, since all S**** ever did was imitate Vedder.

I rest my case.

Oh, and by the way, SSSnake, where would you put Jon Bon Jovi in that, umm, reather large rant of yours?

[metallicamaniac16]

I'll just add my opinion. I don't have this album, but I give thought to getting it, even though I am a metal fan. I'm a guitarist, and I think that it's great that Tremonti is soloing like he is. I expected "Open Your Eyes" to be of the same formula that Creed followed, and in most ways, it is, but when Tremonti started soloing, I was left with my jaw hanging (I'm a Randy Rhoads fanatic and my jaw was hanging). If he's showing off, then that is fine. I don't want music that doesn't use an artist's potential and talent. Tremonti is a great guitarist, and he should use his ability to its extent. I have tried writing solos, but mine suck. If I could write solos like he does, I would show it off 24/7. That's it.

[brak_jb_page]

1)P.S. Lindsay Lohan sucks

no...no you didn't...no you FREAKIN didn't...

wanker

[brak_jb_page]

sure, this album may be good for mainstream rock, but compare it to Zeppelin or Tool and its crushed...

[metallicamaniac16]

For SSSnake, while I am impressed with your knowledge of music, musicians, time periods, etc, I couldn't read your entire post because it was just too long. I'm not trying to be a pain in the ***, it's just a little piece of advise. Don't make your post so long that people may begin to space out in the middle of reading it.

[IsItLuck?]

Creed members need to be totally obliterated off the face of the Earth. What the ****, they are parasites, keep coming back.

[metallicamaniac16]

sure, this album may be good for mainstream rock, but compare it to Zeppelin or Tool and its crushed...
I totally agree, but I still think that Tremonti's guitar playing is a breath of fresh air in a world dominated by screaming nu-metal, rap, crappy punk, and p**sy boy bands.

[brak_jb_page]

I totally agree, but I still think that Tremonti's guitar playing is a breath of fresh air in a world dominated by screaming nu-metal, rap, crappy punk, and p**sy boy bands.

true...not that he's Page...but i do agree

[brak_jb_page]

Creed members need to be totally obliterated off the face of the Earth. What the ****, they are parasites, keep coming back.

:lol:

like a turd that won't flush

[metallicamaniac16]

Creed members need to be totally obliterated off the face of the Earth. What the ****, they are parasites, keep coming back.
(This is for everyone who rips on Creed and its fans) Seriously, how can you say that Creed and its followers suck. There are probably people out there that think that you should be "obliterated off the face of the Earth." What did Creed's fans ever do to you? They like their music, and you like yours, so can't we just all calm down?

[splashfreak]

I continue to be confused by why people hate Creed so much... I mean, sure Stapp is an idiot, but MOST rock star singers are in mainstream rock. And the rest of the band was pretty down-to-earth.

[IsItLuck?]

but MOST rock star singers are in mainstream rock.

The point here is what exactly? :rolleyes:

[SSSnake]

I continue to be confused by why people hate Creed so much... I mean, sure Stapp is an idiot, but MOST rock star singers are in mainstream rock. And the rest of the band was pretty down-to-earth.

This is what I don't get, why do people hate all of Creed. Like you said for the most part everyone in the band was always humble about everything and just going out there and doing there best for the fans. Seriously when it comes to mainstream, I don't think you could of got any better than Creed. But now that we have Alterbridge I think we can start over :)

[splashfreak]

The point here is what exactly?

That he was no different than anyone else.

And yeah, towards the end they just catered their songs to be radio hits, but that was more of a record company/scott stapp problem than just Creed.

Still, I hated Stapp and AB just rocks, so Creed can go Rest in Peace as far as I care.

[pixiesfanyo]

People don't like Creed because they were pretty unoriginal. They were just modern rock with a pop edge. They didn't not like the band because of the members. Just the way that they sounded like everything else on the radio.

[SSSnake]

People don't like Creed because they were pretty unoriginal. They were just modern rock with a pop edge. They didn't not like the band because of the members. Just the way that they sounded like everything else on the radio.

Know your history man. They started that sound. Creed are the ones that brought that sound out. Bands like Nickelback, 3 Doors Down, Staind and others just copied it. Trust me during there time of entrance too the music scene they were the only one like that. It sold so a lot of bands copied there formula.

[pixiesfanyo]

Acutally bands like Pearl Jam and Bush were more about the type of sound. Creed just took what they were doing and made it poppy. Anyway. I was just trying to tell you why people didn't like the band. No arguments please :).

[splashfreak]

Yeah, you'd like no arguments, because then you wouldn't lose. Pearl Jam never made anything that sounded like Human Clay. My own Prison was a complete rip-off of Pearl Jam, but Human Clay was Creed's sound. And while it was very radio-friendly, that doesn't make it bad.

And if it isn't the members people didn't like, why do a lot of people dismiss alter bridge simply because it has three former creed members on board?

[pixiesfanyo]

...Because they played in a band they didn't like..

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[SSSnake]

...Because they played in a band they didn't like..

........

I say keep an open mind towards music. And don't dismiss a band just because they may have been popular. It so childish to hate a band for such stupid reasons. Unless they killed your parents there is no reason to hate them. If you have a problem hearing them on the radio, turn the **** thing off.

[splashfreak]

^^^^

Well, I hate some bands... not because they are popular, just because I hate them... but I definitely like more bands than I dislike, and I like more bands than anyone I know...

[darkwhite]

SSSnake you are officially my idol

[IsItLuck?]

I just listened to all the songs you raved to be "fantastic" and the one you rated the lowest, these songs are all mediocre, unoriginal, and boring. I almost feel asleep listening to it. 2/5 for the whole CD, 3/5 max.

[Bartender]

I say keep an open mind towards music. And don't dismiss a band just because they may have been popular. It so childish to hate a band for such stupid reasons.

I have a (very) open mind when it comes to music, but I don't see how that's a stupid reason to be biased against a band. I mean, let's say I know a band, and I really don't like them. If half of the members (however many there are) go off and form a side-project..I'm not going to actively avoid checking them out, but they're going to be much further down my list of things to check out. It just makes sense.

[splashfreak]

I don't think that was what he was saying. I think he meant don't hate Creed just because they were popular.

I dunno.

[darkwhite]

another thing id ont get is why everyone compares stapp to veddar...sure the DO sound SIMILAR, but what do you want stapp to do? just not sing because his voice is similar to someone elses? should every guitarist own a completly one of a kind guitar? should ever person who has a car have it built special for them so that no one has similar cars?

[Bartender]

No, but if you don't like Vedder, then it's perfectly reasonable to also not like Stapp.

[Arucard]

i bought this album cause i was curious and open your eyes is mediocre, but the rest of the album, especially metalingus totally blew me away buy it

[Arucard]

and also why does everyone diss punk? there is so many good guitarists in punk but everyone just sems to look down on it because of the whole image

[splashfreak]

Well, mainstream punk DOES tend to be a little... talentless. But I agree, you shouldn't dis a band because of where vh1 and mtv categorize them.

i bought this album cause i was curious and open your eyes is mediocre, but the rest of the album, especially metalingus totally blew me away buy it

Indeed. Although, Open Your Eyes is growing on me...

But yes, Metalingus is definitely a blow you away type of songs. It is just so... awesome... *drools*

[pixiesfanyo]

I downloaded all the songs last night. They seem to me to be typical modern rock with a more than typical guitarist. If you are into the modern rock scene or even the classical rock scene I suggest you check this band out. Other than that, you will be disappointed.

I give the CD a 3 or a 3.5 out of 5


And Splash just a little tidbit. Even if this is your favorite album that doesn't mean it deserves a 5. One of my favorite albums is Doolittle by the Pixies and I gave it a 4.5 because I knew some people just wouldn't like it.

[SSSnake]

I downloaded all the songs last night. They seem to me to be typical modern rock with a more than typical guitarist. If you are into the modern rock scene or even the classical rock scene I suggest you check this band out. Other than that, you will be disappointed.

I give the CD a 3 or a 3.5 out of 5


I don't think you can call him typical by any means lol. The guy like mentioned before is more talented than most of the musicians in this era. Agreed its not for everyone. But if you want good honest well written rock and roll, Alter Bridge is the one to check out now. I mean we really had a dry spell of this for awhile. I mean I know during these years a lot of bands like Jet, TWS, and some others came onto the scene and were quoted as rock but come on get serious that wasn't rock. Not to take anything away from them but they were not what we needed.

[pixiesfanyo]

The guy like mentioned before is more talented than most of the musicians in this era

I sure hope you mean in Rock n' Roll. Because I can name a couple guitarists who are ten times musically talented off of the top of my head.

But if you want good honest well written rock and roll, Alter Bridge is the one to check out now.

Acutally. If you want good honest well written rock and roll check out Roger Clyne and the Peace Makers. If you want cheezy mainstream rock. Check out Alter Bridge :)

[DekWannaBFlea]

I agree to the poster above me, you shouldn't give it a 5. I love Alter Bridge with a passion, but you have to take into account that people may not like it. A 5 rating should be an album almost everybody loves.



Weaknesses-

1. Myles goes so high on this album and i love it, but he doesn't go low very often, i would love to see them do that more on the next album. -.1 off total rating

2. No cool bass solos and the bass is kind of hard to hear. ( Not a bad thing to some, but as a musician i like cool bass stuff. As a bassist i don't like that. -.3

3. A couple of the songs (Open your eyes, In loving memory) are songs that sound like they could have come from creed. I love Creed but i would love see Tremonti distance himself with Alter Bridge. Like I said its only a couple songs. -.2

4. The Watch your words intro sounds like something metallica would think of, I know tremonti loves them and think he may have kind of copied some structure off of metallica, i don't love metallica (Hetfield's voice is annoying to me) but i can stand them. -.1


Strengths-

1. Variety- If you like all kinds of rock you will love this album. Its got hints of the 70's and 80's rock written all over it.

2. Cool solos- Some people say that tremonti is just showing off and the solos don't fit. If tremonti was trying to show off then he would have a solo in every song. This is not true. Even some of the heavier songs don't have solos. The Open your eyes solo uplifts that song and makes the song from decent to good.

3. Awesome drumming- Man Scott Phillips busts it up in this album, I always knew he was good and underrated with creed but now i truly know how much of a badass he is. (Look at the song Metaligus)

4. THE singing is amazing- Myles kennedy is up there with the top 20 rock vocalists of all time. His voice can go so high and has so much power. The only weakness is his lack of going low.

5. INfluence other bands to do solos- If Alter Bridge gets as popular as creed, I think there is a chance of an end to Numetal and pop punk. (This is just a theory) People will realize that songs can have solos and people will like them.

6.The Ability to go soft to hard- Shed my skin is a perfect example. IT starts off slow and then instancely goes fast. PLus there are about 4 soft songs and 7 hard songs. (SOme are both, i just put what mainly they were)

7. Meaningfull lyrics- So mainly emo crap lyrics destroy many artists today. The lyrics on this album have a theme and throughout the WHOLE album that theme is re-addressed. (THe theme is how to deal with the past)

8. Catchy lyrics- You can sing along to most of the songs.


Overall- 4.3 out of 5

I think people will really be influenced to check out the classics when they hear some Alter Bridge. I think this album is one of the best to come out in the 2000's and i would recommend all of you to check it out. It is worth the dl or the $15. I can't wait till the next album!

[SSSnake]

Ok lets take a look at this.

First off Mark Tremonti is one of the best guitarist out there. Espically if you combine his skills at as a Song writer and his ability on the guitar.

Now look at this. Mark has written hit songs on all 3 of Creed albums, and has written every single one on the ab album instrumentally and lyrically. Now my main point is that he has written songs that become hits continuely. Now this is not an easy feat. As a musician this is what you shoot for. Stuff that appeals to the public. It sells cds, and brings people to the concert. Mark does this flawlessy, and shows no signs of slowing down. Each work he has done on the guitar is work of art when it comes to construction and flow. Now when it comes to talent there are probably a good number who are better and few names come to mind, but obviously are not the writers that Tremonti is. For Rock though in this generation he is one of the best and if things continue to go good for him, maybe one of the best in history.

Now the whole thing with Roger Clyne, I know of him but he definately is not in the same catagory as AB. Its totally debatable, but his stuff just doesn't have the flares of ab's. And I still don't understand the cheezy comment lol, but everyone has there opinion.

[DekWannaBFlea]

I sure hope you mean in Rock n' Roll. Because I can name a couple guitarists who are ten times musically talented off of the top of my head.


Acutally. If you want good honest well written rock and roll check out Roger Clyne and the Peace Makers. If you want cheezy mainstream rock. Check out Alter Bridge :)

Cheezy? JUst because they are popular doesn't make them mainstream, your opinon on well written rock and roll is subjective.

[pixiesfanyo]

Now look at this. Mark has written hit songs on all 3 of Creed albums, and has written every single one on the ab album instrumentally and lyrically. Now my main point is that he has written songs that become hits continuely. Now this is not an easy feat. As a musician this is what you shoot for. Stuff that appeals to the public. It sells cds, and brings people to the concert. Mark does this flawlessy, and shows no signs of slowing down. Each work he has done on the guitar is work of art when it comes to construction and flow. Now when it comes to talent there are probably a good number who are better and few names come to mind, but obviously are not the writers that Tremonti is. For Rock though in this generation he is one of the best and if things continue to go good for him, maybe one of the best in history.

Well. Maybe musicians who love money.

And Omar from the Mars Volta wrote their entire album musically and it's incredible.

[Chrome54]

personally i don't think scott stapp sounds like eddie vedder. i know i'm gonna be flamed for saying that, but i don't give a sh!t, i'm saying it anyway.

i'm a young guy. creed, along with korn, was pretty much my introduction to music, which happened around the time "follow the leader" came out (f'ing awesome album). before that i didn't listen to ANYTHING, even tho I had already played guitar for a couple years (my dad got me on guitar). human clay was one of the first albums i bought, and i thought the whole thing was cool (except for With Arms Wide Open, cause the album version sucked, whereas the orchestrated version was a bit better).

fast forward to now. i've been playing guitar for 8 years. i listen to everything from metallica to steve vai to stevie ray vaughn, frankly anything that rocks (except if it's talentless and generic, a la Good Charlotte), tho i really can't get into stuff like screamo and black metal, because i don't really feel that, while the guitars are generally pretty good, the "scream until you vomit all over the first row" and the "grunt like an ox on crack" are really musical. but i still like creed, even tho i do recognise that scott stapp is a pretty pretentious guy. for all their shortcomings tho they did put on a pretty good live show (listen to them perform "roadhouse blues" by the doors, performed WITH robbie krieger). i was also a fan of mark tremonti's playing. even tho he didn't solo much with creed, his playing was visceral and straight up, which i liked.

i was anticipating this alter bridge stuff the moment i heard about it. when i first heard "open your eyes" i was thinking "yeah sounds like creed, so i'm not missing too much"... then the solo kicked in and BLEW ME AWAY. instantly i was hooked. i wanted this album.

i buy the album and listened to it. 5 solos. could have been more, but the ones that are here are AWESOME. my current fav song from this album is "burn it down", cause while it's not super edgy, and it's not a ballad, it's really kind of "searching for something" music. mark's playing has progressed so much and he's really come into his own. the guitar is exactly what rock guitar should be: full of range, excellent rhythm playing, and kick-you-in-the-balls solos.

my take out this disc. is it ground breaking? no. has it been done before? yeah it has. has it been done this well? noooo. is it really good music? I think so.

my own PERSONAL rating for this disc is 4.5/5

[deadeyesangel]

its not really that tremontis playing has progressed its more that this is his band and he cant be held back like he was in stapp's band (creed) but he is an incredible guitarist.

[splashfreak]

I agree to the poster above me, you shouldn't give it a 5. I love Alter Bridge with a passion, but you have to take into account that people may not like it. A 5 rating should be an album almost everybody loves.

Give me a friggin break. There will NEVER be an album that almost everyone loves.

Acutally. If you want good honest well written rock and roll check out Roger Clyne and the Peace Makers. If you want cheezy mainstream rock. Check out Alter Bridge

You continue to amaze me. Cheezy mainstream rock? They are most certainly not cheesy. and "Mainstream"? so? The fact that they are popular and people actually like their music doesn't make them bad. And Alter Bridge isn't even that popular yet!

As for your favorite bands... give me a break.

[Chrome54]

i wonder what all the people who diss mainstream just cause it's mainstream will do if Children of Bodom and Dimmu Borgir are ever considered mainstream.

[pixiesfanyo]

I acutally don't like Roger Clyne and the Peacemakers. I respect them though. They create good rock n' roll music.

On broken wings I'm falling
And it won't be long
The skin on me is burning
By the fires of the sun

This album has the lyrical knowledge of a 5 year old. At least Creed was somewhat clever in their writing.

I'm not going to be able to convince you that Alter Bridge isn't the greatest band ever too exist and have created an amazing album so I won't even try. I love the Pixies. But in no means do I believe they are the most amazing band in history. They are my favorite. So when I review them I try to take out my bias and show what makes them a weak band. You as the reviewer should have done that.

[Bartender]

As a musician this is what you shoot for. Stuff that appeals to the public.

Not necessarily. You sound like Gene Simmons.

I also wouldn't agree that Alter Bridge even are rock'n'roll. Rock, yes, but there's a difference.


JUst because they are popular doesn't make them mainstream,

But the fact that they are playing mainstream rock does.

[splashfreak]

I'm not going to be able to convince you that Alter Bridge isn't the greatest band ever too exist and have created an amazing album so I won't even try. I love the Pixies. But in no means do I believe they are the most amazing band in history. They are my favorite. So when I review them I try to take out my bias and show what makes them a weak band. You as the reviewer should have done that.

Music is opinionated. Get that through your freaking head. If they are your favorite band, that means that you like the music they make more than anyone else, which means for you, it is the best. Alter Bridge makes, IMO, the best music in the world, hence I think they are the greatest band in the world.

On broken wings I'm falling
And it won't be long
The skin on me is burning
By the fires of the sun

What on earth is wrong with those lyrics? Of all the lyrics in the album you pick those? You didn't even get them right! I think Alter Bridge has, for the most part, great lyrics. What the heck do you want in lyrics?

I also wouldn't agree that Alter Bridge even are rock'n'roll. Rock, yes, but there's a difference.

That has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. What on earth are you talking about?

[Bartender]

That has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. What on earth are you talking about?

The fact that there's a difference between rock and rock'n'roll.

[Chrome54]

That has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. What on earth are you talking about?

actually this is fairly true, what bartender said. rock & roll is more along the lines of kiss and the rolling stones. just "rock" is a broader palette, that encompasses all the sub-genres (GOD I HATE THAT TERM), eg metal, alternative, grunge...

[Bartender]

^Thanks, though I would've chosen different bands to illustrate the point.

[IsItLuck?]

Ok lets take a look at this.

First off Mark Tremonti is one of the best guitarist out there. Espically if you combine his skills at as a Song writer and his ability on the guitar.


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To the reviewer:

If Alter Bridge is your favorite band and writes the best music in your opinion then I don't think you should have done this review because it was completely biased. I did a converge review and I didn't rate it 5/5 because I loved the album. I thought the score I gave the CD was justifiable to the CD itself and to potential buyers who enjoy that type of music. I did not give them a 5/5 because they are my favorite band and the most talented band, such as you did.

By the way, what other bands are your favorite bands, just curious.

[Chrome54]

it's a pretty difficult thing, to give an unbiased review, not only because you have to find a way to escape your current mindset regarding the people you're reviewing, but you have to be ready to face the flame war at the end of the road.

for example, let's say i review britney spears...

biased mode:
"this album is industry generated garbage, don't buy it."
result:
britney spears fan - "you writing a biased review, you piece of poo!"

unbiased mode:
"this album is very upbeat, and has serious hooks, and excellent production values" (it makes my stomach turn to have to say that, but i need to illustrate the point)
result:
britney hater - "wow man you're ****ed. go get laid and buy a guitar. you need it, cause you SUCK!"

see what i mean?

[IsItLuck?]

The last time I saw Britney Spears review on this forum?

[Chrome54]

The last time I saw Britney Spears review on this forum?

and why might I ask, did you waste perfectly good space on the page, and in the forum database, to say that?

[pixiesfanyo]

Music is opinionated. Get that through your freaking head. If they are your favorite band, that means that you like the music they make more than anyone else, which means for you, it is the best. Alter Bridge makes, IMO, the best music in the world, hence I think they are the greatest band in the world.

Yeah, so in a review when you are trying to be unbiased. See if I didn't like the Pixies and I saw somebody by the name of Pixiesfanyo review a Pixies album and give it a 5/5 then I would be like. "Oh well, he just likes that band". But if I see them give it a 4/5 or something lower I think. "So he is willing too admit the band has it's faults and he provided examples of what bands I might like that sound like the pixies. Well good review." When we see you say. Oh man, this is the best album ever released once it has only been released for "three weeks" (On the internet). Then we think. "Wow bias..I guess I should check it out..But this is kind of a meaningless review." The point of a review isn't an ode to your favorite band. It is suppose to encourage unknown fans that "Hey this band is good, if you like these bands check them out." I'm not trying too be an asshole if that's what you think. When I first heard Alter Bridge's single I was like..bah. But after listening too a couple of tracks I can see they are a decent rock band. The only thing is your review didn't make me want too download those tracks. It was your constant argument. I just wanted too see what you making such a big deal was. And in my opinion it wasn't a big deal.

[splashfreak]

^^

Hehe. But you downloaded em, didn't you?

If Alter Bridge is your favorite band and writes the best music in your opinion then I don't think you should have done this review because it was completely biased. I did a converge review and I didn't rate it 5/5 because I loved the album. I thought the score I gave the CD was justifiable to the CD itself and to potential buyers who enjoy that type of music. I did not give them a 5/5 because they are my favorite band and the most talented band, such as you did.

This continues to confuse me. I want someone, RIGHT NOW, to give me the guidelines for a 5/5 (and don't give me that "groundbreaking" crap, it is almost impossible to be groundbreaking, everyone has done everything, some people just do it better now), and I want to know of some 5/5 ALBUMS. I still haven't gotten any response to that question. I wonder why. Is it because as soon as you list one, I could immediately disagree with you, and since I disagree with you, your review must be biased?

By the way, what other bands are your favorite bands, just curious.

Bon Jovi, Led Zeppelin, Foo Fighters, Radiohead, and some others.

[pixiesfanyo]

I could immediately disagree with you, and since I disagree with you, your review must be biased?

That is called just being stupid.

5/5 Albums.

Radiohead - OK Computer
The Mars Volta - Deloused in the Comatorium
Most Zeppelin/Beatles albums.

The guidelines of a 5/5 album is that.

It would change somebodies opinion of a genre. Say you don't like alternative music. Ok Computer is a perfect intro too that genre because it borders on many genres rather than alternative music. Also many bands release ground breaking albums now a days. Coheed and Cambria have changed the face of Pop-Punk. The Mars Volta is working to bring back sound manupliation (SP). And The Dillinger Escape Plan is bringing jazz into the hardcore scene. The thing is Alter Bridge is just following the stencils left by other bands. If they released a truly amazing modern rock album. It is still just. a modern rock album. Therefore it should be a 4 or a 4.5. But if they make a modern rock album that starts too incorporate other musical ideas or does it more successfully than other albums. Then yes it should deserve a 5/5

[splashfreak]

Radiohead - OK Computer
The Mars Volta - Deloused in the Comatorium
Most Zeppelin/Beatles albums.

What if I don't like the beatles? Is it still a great album for me? Didn't think so. And OK computer? I like that album, and, as I stated, I like Radiohead, but it HAS to be the most overrated album ever. It is good. But I mean, COME ON, just LISTEN to number seven on that album! And some of the other songs aren't all that great either.

As for Mars Volta... I haven't actually heard any of their stuff... so I wouldn't know. And I definitely wouldn't say "most" led zeppelin albums are 5/5's. At least, not by your view of the rating system.

So are you "biased" because you would give almost every beatles album a 5/5? "OMG he just loves the beatles he's so biased!!11!!11!"

Just because they were incredibly famous and sold a ton of albums doesn't make them good. Yeah, they revolutionized the industry, no doubting that, but Nirvana revolutionized the industry as well, that doesn't make them good.

I really am starting to believbe that "bias" in reviews, is sort of like "cheap" in video games, at least on this board. Whenever someone doesn't like something, they just shout "BIAS!!!!"

And yes, it DOES happen often.

[pixiesfanyo]

....First off...Beatles and Zeppelin albums have been out for almost ****ing thirty or so years. People still listen too them. They have infulence. Zeppelin basically infulenced every rock band at some level. The Beatles basically infulenced every pop. band at some level.

Second.. I agree Nirvana wasn't a good band in my eyes. I think they were a rip off of the Pixies. But their albums are pieces of art. They are incredible collections of emotional heartfelt poppy alternative songs. Therefore they deserve a 5/5 since they will introduce fans of that genre into it.

Third. You are being biased. Alter Bridge is your favorite band. You gave them 5/5. You say they are the best thing ever. That's called a bias. If you were to say. Alter Bridge are a great band in the genre of Rock n' Roll that'd be ok.

[splashfreak]

Second.. I agree Nirvana wasn't a good band in my eyes. I think they were a rip off of the Pixies. But their albums are pieces of art. They are incredible collections of emotional heartfelt poppy alternative songs. Therefore they deserve a 5/5 since they will introduce fans of that genre into it.

Oh... My... *dies*

[YDload]

I finally got to take a long hard look at "Open Your Eyes" and I really REALLY don't like Myles' singing voice. He's got that deep bellow that Chris Cornell made famous, but he doesn't release it into a full-out spine-tingling scream that makes Cornell so great.

Also, if you're going to play a fast solo like that (good job on that Mark!) you should speed up the backing tempo. Even if it's just for the solo (see "Total Eclipse" by Iron Maiden for example).

Either way, Myles Kennedy is the worst name for a lead singer since Kip Winger. Doesn't reflect on him as an artist, just saying...

[Tangy zizzle]

Horrible, Horrible music.

Plain and simple. It's all been done before.

[splashfreak]

Horrible, Horrible music.

Plain and simple. It's all been done before.

everything has been done before. They just do it better.

[YDload]

everything has been done before. They just do it better.

"Everything that can be invented has been invented," -Memo from the US Patent office, 1899.

Don't give up on the progression of music just because your favorite band brings nothing new to the proverbial table.

[darkwhite]

YDload you jsut lsot all my respect... "myles kennedy is a bad name for a singer"




...wow

[T-Web]

Tremonti is still to much of a show off. He throws a fast solo in the new single where one is clearly not needed. He thinks he is God's gift to music, and I have little respect for him. They still sound like generic radio rock to me.
Im sorry but im gonna have to disagree with that. I think that the solo fits the song perfectly and ive never heard him being cocky about his playing or saying he is gods gift to music.

[T-Web]

It seems like this band is either hit or miss. You either love them or absolutley hate them.

[RollerQueen]

^^^ One of the most bonafide true things said in this thread thus far.

Mark is an excellent player but the guy who said the backing for his solo in the single is dead-on. Something like that needs a different beat. That is why it's so out of place. It IS a great solo but with the given rhythm backing it up, it sounds terribly out of place and tacked-on.

[splashfreak]

Im sorry but im gonna have to disagree with that. I think that the solo fits the song perfectly and ive never heard him being cocky about his playing or saying he is gods gift to music.

Exactly. People who say he is a show-off are idiots. There is simply no evidence to that fact.

It seems like this band is either hit or miss. You either love them or absolutley hate them.

Yeah, because people either like good music or they hate it ;-)

[YDload]

YDload you jsut lsot all my respect... "myles kennedy is a bad name for a singer"




...wow

What does that mean? I already said that his name has nothing to do with his ability; it's just really lame. Also, I don't need your respect; no Creed fan has ever given it to me because they're too obsessed with the fact that I hate their favorite band.

[splashfreak]

Why is Myles Kennedy a bad name?

And by the way, Alter Bridge isn't Creed, why do you hate it so?

[ESP47]

Funny thing is that people complain about music not having solos anymore. Then some guy busts out an awesome solo and people call him a show-off.

People will never be satisfied.

[YDload]

Myles is a bad name; that's all there is to it. Also, I don't really hate or like Alter Bridge because I haven't heard enough songs to judge them effectively, but since that whole genre of music is "iffy" to me, and 3/4 of Creed is still a bad combination to me, I will refrain from giving this band my approval.

[pixiesfanyo]

Funny thing is that people complain about music not having solos anymore. Then some guy busts out an awesome solo and people call him a show-off.

It's not really a solo. It is so short. And plus Frusciante whips out solos. And so do tons of bands. People who complain about their being no solos are just narrow minded idiots who only listen too the mainstream.

[darkwhite]

YDload is a bad name


queer

[splashfreak]

Myles is a bad name; that's all there is to it. Also, I don't really hate or like Alter Bridge because I haven't heard enough songs to judge them effectively, but since that whole genre of music is "iffy" to me, and 3/4 of Creed is still a bad combination to me, I will refrain from giving this band my approval.

I actually kinda like Myles... anyway, that kind of thing is strictly opinion, and shouldn't have any bearing on whether or not you like the band anyway (not saying you ARE letting it affect your judgement, I'm just making a broad sweeping statement).

Well, if you don't like hard rock/metal, yeah, you won't like Alter Bridge, but then again if you don't like music, you won't like any bands... Anyway, they REALLY DON'T sound that much like Creed, except for one or two songs--the most extreme of which is Open your Eyes. Using a first single that sounds like Creed was probably the dumbest marketing strategy ever. I mean, Cred fans would follow them anyway, right? They should have done one day remains, with Metalingus being their second single, and maybe down to my last as their final single.

It's not really a solo. It is so short. And plus Frusciante whips out solos. And so do tons of bands. People who complain about their being no solos are just narrow minded idiots who only listen too the mainstream.

It isn't a solo? How long do you want 'em to be?

[pixiesfanyo]

I like the minute long solos. Or more than like 10 seconds. You know good ol' Pink Floyd time.

[splashfreak]

it is more than ten seconds, don't be ridiculous. I mean, it isn't ridiculously long, but if it goes on forever, there might be reason for concern considering the guitarist showing off... I don't know. I'm a drummer, mainly, so long guitar solos bother me ;-)

[pixiesfanyo]

I'm a bassist. Hehe. I just love the long slow guitar solos. They are awesome.

[YDload]

YDload is a bad name


queer

I have offended someone with a Creed avatar, alert the authorities.

[T-Web]

Funny thing is that people complain about music not having solos anymore. Then some guy busts out an awesome solo and people call him a show-off.

People will never be satisfied.
Thats a point that I brought up in a solo discussion thread a while back. People pollute the R&M with complaints of no solos in newer music than when the bands do solo they complain that they are too short, or as you said are showing off.

[splashfreak]

I'm a bassist. Hehe. I just love the long slow guitar solos. They are awesome.

My band needs a bassist. Too bad you are probably a lot older than us, don't like the same type of music as us, and don't live in the same half country as us ;-) (or maybe not even the same country!)

[rokkmunkey]

i'll say this tremonti knows the guitar
sometimes when u here someone play u think man this guy or girl has it down they know it all there isn't much headroom for them tremonti is one of those players

also one thing that differs from rock and pop is that is rock no one really cares about the people it's all music whereas in pop artists use music to promote THEMSELVES

[pixiesfanyo]

I'm 16 and play any kind of music I can. But I live in the ghetto.

[splashfreak]

your actually one year older and one year younger than the two members of my band. Too bad no one except StageFrightKen lives in West Virginia...

[ESP47]

It's not really a solo. It is so short. And plus Frusciante whips out solos. And so do tons of bands. People who complain about their being no solos are just narrow minded idiots who only listen too the mainstream.

Then what do you call this? An f'in interlude?

http://www.mxtabs.net/tab_versions.php?path=Guitar,a,20248,Alter+Bridge, Open+Your+Eyes,155229

[Bartender]

your actually one year older and one year younger than the two members of my band. Too bad no one except StageFrightKen lives in West Virginia...

I'm pretty sure I know another guy in Virginia on MX. He plays death metal though, so never mind.

[splashfreak]

I'm pretty sure I know another guy in Virginia on MX. He plays death metal though, so never mind.

I don't want to get insanely off-topic, but West Virginia and Virginia are two different states ;-)

[Bartender]

I live in England; "Virginia" is good enough for me =)

[YDload]

West Virginia and Virginia are like England and Wales; whole different matters.

[Riley12988]

it's a pretty difficult thing, to give an unbiased review, not only because you have to find a way to escape your current mindset regarding the people you're reviewing, but you have to be ready to face the flame war at the end of the road.

for example, let's say i review britney spears...

biased mode:
"this album is industry generated garbage, don't buy it."
result:
britney spears fan - "you writing a biased review, you piece of poo!"

unbiased mode:
"this album is very upbeat, and has serious hooks, and excellent production values" (it makes my stomach turn to have to say that, but i need to illustrate the point)
result:
britney hater - "wow man you're ****ed. go get laid and buy a guitar. you need it, cause you SUCK!"

see what i mean?

No, "biased mode" is YOUR biased review of Britney Spears, and "unbiased review" is more like the biased review of a fan of Britney Spears. Don't know how they could be a fan unless they had only listened to horribly mainstream pop music.

[Bartender]

West Virginia and Virginia are like England and Wales; whole different matters.

Wales differs to England only in that there is an abundance of sheep. And leeks :)

[YDload]

No, "biased mode" is YOUR biased review of Britney Spears, and "unbiased review" is more like the biased review of a fan of Britney Spears. Don't know how they could be a fan unless they had only listened to horribly mainstream pop music.

Sorry, but Chrome54 is accurate. Mentioning positive aspects of an album is not biased at all, and you're acting just like the "britney hater" described in his post.

[IsItLuck?]

Lock this mainstream thread trash :)

[SSSnake]

Heres my last comment. Like what you like post it and move on. Its really tough to change peoples opinions and such so I'd say give up, I fought the battle many times. I would like to say to the Ab haters, that you should give them a chance. If you consider them mainstream they are one of the more down to earth bands that has put out a good album, plus there one of the best live imo. But yeah everyone has there opinions and I say respect them. To everyone there own and have a wonderful day

Rock on AB!

[IsItLuck?]

Last post in these forums I hope also!

[splashfreak]

Last post in these forums I hope also!

You are the most obnoxious person I have ever seen. Even more obnoxious than Ernie over there ;-)

[darkwhite]

Amen

[splashfreak]

^that has to be the most delayed response i have ever seen...

[darkwhite]

haha, yeah i have been kinda busy getting my new band off the ground, was out of state for recording. i still cant beleive all these morons hating AB just because of creed.....if they hadnt been in creed all the people bashing them now would be saying they are friggen awesome

[splashfreak]

^yeah, true, but some of the people on here don't like AB just because they don't like good music, not because Tremonti/Philip's/Marshal used to be in Creed.

Almost NOBODY on here has good taste in music... :thumb:

jk--seriously, I'm just kidding!

[YDload]

You can't claim that someone has bad taste in music just because they don't like Alter Bridge.

[RollerQueen]

Congratulations, splashfreak. You just lost all of my respect for being such an opinionated asshole. Seriously, that comment was uncalled for. I don't call everyone who doesn't like Radiohead a person that doesn't have any taste in music. You need to grow up.

[Cain]

^yeah, true, but some of the people on here don't like AB just because they don't like good music, not because Tremonti/Philip's/Marshal used to be in Creed.

In fact, almost NOBODY on here has good taste in music...

Jeez, man, I was pretty much on your side early on in the thread, but you just ruined any possible shot you might have had at being a person appropriate for this forum. You're opinionated, childish, and despite all your protests to the contrary you have basically said time and time again that if somebody doesn't like Alter Bridge, they automatically have terrible taste in music. I'm gonna have to agree with RollerQueen and say grow the **** up. You have no place being in a discussion forum if you think the equivilant of "respecting your opinion" is for everybody to agree to it without a second's thought. You need to seriously reconsider what you're here for if you continue on your ignorant, closed-minded path.

[Iai]

Two points, then -

1) 123 to the above three posts. SplashFreak, grow up. You're starting to sound like Theo.

2) Regarding the discussion earlier in the thread - I heard Open Your Eyes again yesterday, and listened to it bearing what people in this thread in mind. Firstly, for some reason, although they sound much the same on that song, I like the new guy a hell of a lot more than Stapp. I can't put my finger on why, but I'd much rather listen to that track than anything Creed ever did, and I'm now pretty interested in what the album will sound like.

And as for the solo in that track - a solo either detracts or adds to a song, and I really think Tremonti's solo here adds. Yes, it's fast and flashy, but it sounds great, it fits the song, and I really don't think you can call it emotionless. It's no Comfortably Numb, granted, but I like it, and I usually hate fast, flashy solos outside of thrash metal. In fact, it's the highlight of the song for me. It also makes me feel better about playing a Tremonti SE, haha.

[splashfreak]

Congratulations, splashfreak. You just lost all of my respect for being such an opinionated asshole. Seriously, that comment was uncalled for. I don't call everyone who doesn't like Radiohead a person that doesn't have any taste in music. You need to grow up.

Wow... didn't mean to set that off. I was kind of being sarcastic. I didn't really mean no one else has good taste in music... *mutters about forgetting to put smiley face*

That is the kind of thing i would just say with a smile on my face and laugh if we were face to face. Sure other people don't have the same taste in music, I didn't mean to say that everyone else REALLY had crappy taste in music...

Sorry if you guys took that the wrong way. Seriously, I don't have any problems with other people having different opinions. I wasn't trying to end a relavent discussion either. It was just a little comment that looks a lot worse reading it on the screen after you write it then when you are thinking it in your head.

But also, as far as I'm concerned, if you don't like AB, you don't have that great of taste in music. I mean, if you liked the baltimore ravens (NFL), I'd think you root for terrible team(s)! It isn't like I think you are an IDIOT for having different tastes in music, i just think you are wrong...

I mean, reading over my post, it did look a little provocative--not its intention--but I think you guys blew that one out of proportion.

[AlienSkies]

I completely agree! Fantastic album. In Loving Memory is mine and my gf's song now heehee

As I am currently poor I need to buy it soon lol *listened to friends copy* Burn it Down is extremely monotonous though. I must admit I didn't know it was a creed side project, I find creed very boring and thier songs a bit too long for my liking but this is a fantastic improvement to thier previous status in my books :D

[IsItLuck?]

I completely agree! Fantastic album. In Loving Memory is mine and my gf's song now heehee

As I am currently poor I need to buy it soon lol *listened to friends copy* Burn it Down is extremely monotonous though. I must admit I didn't know it was a creed side project, I find creed very boring and thier songs a bit too long for my liking but this is a fantastic improvement to thier previous status in my books :D


You have a disturbed avatar. Stop futher posts on this forums or you will infect us all.

[splashfreak]

^funny how posts like mine, which was intended to be sarcastic and was not meant to be taken seriously at all, get absolutely blown out of proportion and flamed to death, while a post as dumb as this one usually gets through with no argument.

[MxShredder]

But also, as far as I'm concerned, if you don't like AB, you don't have that great of taste in music. I mean, if you liked the baltimore ravens (NFL), I'd think you root for terrible team(s)! It isn't like I think you are an IDIOT for having different tastes in music, i just think you are wrong...

maybe there's a crucial typo or something but are you actually saying you have bad taste if you don't like AB?

EDIT: on the topic of the album, I've heard the single (forget the name), and if that's one of the best song's on the album I'm not impressed at all. I've heard that the guitarist was supposedly very good and I found it to be a let down when I heard it.

[Cain]

Wow... didn't mean to set that off. I was kind of being sarcastic. I didn't really mean no one else has good taste in music... *mutters about forgetting to put smiley face*

That is the kind of thing i would just say with a smile on my face and laugh if we were face to face. Sure other people don't have the same taste in music, I didn't mean to say that everyone else REALLY had crappy taste in music...

Sorry if you guys took that the wrong way. Seriously, I don't have any problems with other people having different opinions. I wasn't trying to end a relavent discussion either. It was just a little comment that looks a lot worse reading it on the screen after you write it then when you are thinking it in your head.

But also, as far as I'm concerned, if you don't like AB, you don't have that great of taste in music. I mean, if you liked the baltimore ravens (NFL), I'd think you root for terrible team(s)! It isn't like I think you are an IDIOT for having different tastes in music, i just think you are wrong...

I mean, reading over my post, it did look a little provocative--not its intention--but I think you guys blew that one out of proportion.

First three paragraphs, awesome apology. Second two, awesome way to ****ing ruin it. You seem to know as much about quitting while you're ahead as you do about respect. Time for you to get the hell out of this thread.

Jesus h. Christ, man, you write this review that doesn't even follow the rules, and you obviously do not have a very wide range of musical tastes, because while I love Alter Bridge they are still far from the "best band I have ever heard." Because of that you have absolutely no fundamental right to be saying **** like "anybody who dislikes Alter Bridge does not like good music." You have a right to your opinion. You have absolutely no right to take your limited musical view and use it as the perfect standard by which everybody's opinion should be judged. Nobody is "wrong" if they dislike Alter Bridge. You have crossed the line to where you're spitting **** out your *** like it's a god**** cannon SO many times that I can hardly avoid vomiting all over your posts. What is wrong with you? Is there such a thing as RESPECT where you come from?

[IsItLuck?]

^funny how posts like mine, which was intended to be sarcastic and was not meant to be taken seriously at all, get absolutely blown out of proportion and flamed to death, while a post as dumb as this one usually gets through with no argument.

Deal with it bitch. :thumb:

[splashfreak]

First three paragraphs, awesome apology. Second two, awesome way to ****ing ruin it. You seem to know as much about quitting while you're ahead as you do about respect. Time for you to get the hell out of this thread.

Jesus h. Christ, man, you write this review that doesn't even follow the rules, and you obviously do not have a very wide range of musical tastes, because while I love Alter Bridge they are still far from the "best band I have ever heard." Because of that you have absolutely no fundamental right to be saying **** like "anybody who dislikes Alter Bridge does not like good music." You have a right to your opinion. You have absolutely no right to take your limited musical view and use it as the perfect standard by which everybody's opinion should be judged. Nobody is "wrong" if they dislike Alter Bridge. You have crossed the line to where you're spitting **** out your *** like it's a god**** cannon SO many times that I can hardly avoid vomiting all over your posts. What is wrong with you? Is there such a thing as RESPECT where you come from?

Forget it. Freaking forget it. I stinkin apologize, trying to explain i was not being serious, and you STILL aren't happy. Well, you can pat yourself on the back, because your right, it is time to leave these forums. I'm leaving, and i'm NOT coming back, because of people like you.

I DON'T think someone has good taste in music if they don't like what i like. That isn't stupid, or moronic, it is TRUE. It doesn't mean they are idiots, heck, their music might be more technically advanced, the people might have more talent, and it might be far more popular, but they still have bad music tastes IN MY OPINION. That doesn't mean they are bad PERIOD, it just means, basically, that they are different from mine. THAT was what i was trying to say.

And my taste of music is narrow? How on earth do you know that? just because AB is my favorite band doesn't mean i don't like other bands. I like everything from Radiohead to Bon Jovi to dream theatre to Eiffel 65 (anyone remember them? ;-), to Yes, to the Who, to led zep, oasis, and tons of other bands. Yeah most of it is rock and roll, but rock and roll takes up the large part of mainstream music today (except for rap and all that nonsense). If you want me to say some non rock influences, i like Beethoven and Bach, and I DON'T like Mozart.

And even if my music taste WAS limited, i'm not claiming it is the standard by which ALL should be judged. I'm claiming it is the standards by which I--ME--judges. AND EVERYONE DOES THAT. They might not put it into words, but everyone does. Everyone not only has opinions, but also opinions of OTHER PEOPLES opinions. That is nothing new, and everyone does it. To say i'm different in that way, or being obnoxious, is downright wrong.

But my goodness, I am sick of arguing. I have my opinion on a band, i wrote a review on their album, and THIS happens? Should never have wasted twenty minutes of my life.

[Cain]

Forget it. Freaking forget it. I stinkin apologize, trying to explain i was not being serious, and you STILL aren't happy. Well, you can pat yourself on the back, because your right, it is time to leave these forums. I'm leaving, and i'm NOT coming back, because of people like you.

I DON'T think someone has good taste in music if they don't like what i like. That isn't stupid, or moronic, it is TRUE. It doesn't mean they are idiots, heck, their music might be more technically advanced, the people might have more talent, and it might be far more popular, but they still have bad music tastes IN MY OPINION. That doesn't mean they are bad PERIOD, it just means, basically, that they are different from mine. THAT was what i was trying to say.

And my taste of music is narrow? How on earth do you know that? just because AB is my favorite band doesn't mean i don't like other bands. I like everything from Radiohead to Bon Jovi to dream theatre to Eiffel 65 (anyone remember them? ;-), to Yes, to the Who, to led zep, oasis, and tons of other bands. Yeah most of it is rock and roll, but rock and roll takes up the large part of mainstream music today (except for rap and all that nonsense). If you want me to say some non rock influences, i like Beethoven and Bach, and I DON'T like Mozart.

And even if my music taste WAS limited, i'm not claiming it is the standard by which ALL should be judged. I'm claiming it is the standards by which I--ME--judges. AND EVERYONE DOES THAT. They might not put it into words, but everyone does. Everyone not only has opinions, but also opinions of OTHER PEOPLES opinions. That is nothing new, and everyone does it. To say i'm different in that way, or being obnoxious, is downright wrong.

But my goodness, I am sick of arguing. I have my opinion on a band, i wrote a review on their album, and THIS happens? Should never have wasted twenty minutes of my life.

Okay, listen. It's high time for ME to apologize at this point. I got quite carried away back there, and the last thing I wanted for you to do was to quit on Musicians Forums altogether. I hope you read this, because I am sorry. It just seemed as though you were saying certain things that made me very angry, but I think I was, indeed, taking everything a bit too literally. This just goes to show that you should be careful about what you say, I guess, because you never know when you're gonna set an idealist like myself off the deep end :thumb: I'm sorry for flaming you out there. I'll agree to disagree and I'm sure that's what you've been trying to do all along, so let's just leave it and talk some more about the album instead of each other's opinions. Arguing can be fun, but after I read your last post it certainly wasn't anymore. Hope you don't quit out on us. Sorry.

[splashfreak]

Okay, listen. It's high time for ME to apologize at this point. I got quite carried away back there, and the last thing I wanted for you to do was to quit on Musicians Forums altogether. I hope you read this, because I am sorry. It just seemed as though you were saying certain things that made me very angry, but I think I was, indeed, taking everything a bit too literally. This just goes to show that you should be careful about what you say, I guess, because you never know when you're gonna set an idealist like myself off the deep end I'm sorry for flaming you out there. I'll agree to disagree and I'm sure that's what you've been trying to do all along, so let's just leave it and talk some more about the album instead of each other's opinions. Arguing can be fun, but after I read your last post it certainly wasn't anymore. Hope you don't quit out on us. Sorry.

Oh, it's alright. I'm just not really made for message boards. I'm incredibly... expressive, and often rely upon tone of voice and hand gestures, etc. to get my point across. Also, i sometimes find myself arguing for the sake of arguing... for instance, nothing anyone has said so far--except maybe one or two "these guys are just like creed so they are the suckzors!!"--has really been something i disagree with, i just continue to try and get my point across, even when i already HAVE gotten it across...

The biggest problem is that when i get on a message board, i tend to assume it is like talking to friends, and obviously, no one on here knows me! So even though some of the things i said would make perfect sense if they were coming from someone you knew/understood/whatever, they can come across the wrong way.

So just letting everyone know that a lot of the things i say don't really come out the way they are supposed to. When I said no one else has good music tastes... it really meant no one else has MY music tastes, that's all. sorry if you took it differently.

The truth is, i have actually been HIGHLY encouraged by the response i have gotten on here. Instead of everyone just dismissing AB because they are 3/4 creed, most people have actually admitted they are at least decent. I think the biggest problem for them is their horrible marketing strategy--Creed fans were going to follow them to AB anyway, so why start with a song that will alienate people who DIDN'T like Creed? Freaking stupid. One Day Remains definitely should have been their first single.

Anyway, i don't mean to come off the wrong way, but generally an expressive teenager with too much time on his hands CAN come off the wrong way.

Cheers. :thumb:

[madcreedfan]

OOH i like this topic.

I have been following Alter Bridge since i read on creed.com that the band had broken up and that Tremo, Flip and Brian were forming a new band.

I loved creed with a passion, i liked Scott Stapps voice and admire him for writing some brilliant songs. How one person could write lyrics like that was beyond me.

I mostly liked Creed for Tremo's guitar playing, it goes from that soft sound in "One" to the hard sound of "Signs".

I admit that Scott Stapp did have a huge ego and still does. But thats enough about Creed, Creed are finished over and a new chapter begins.

Alter Bridge

Theres been alot of people who have questioned Myles Kennedy's voice, should it be in this sort of rock music? I say hell yeah!!!
Myles has the perfect voice for this type of music, and i don't think he sounds one bit like Stapp, there are so many differences it's impossible to compare them.

Tremo has absolutely blown me away witth this album. He wrote every piece of music for this album and wrote the lyrics for 10 out of the 11 songs on the album. "Open Your Eyes" was a band effort where everyone put in their different ideas of what the song should sound like.

"In Loving Memory" was written by Mark in memory of his mother who died last year. The music and lyrics for this song are perfect.

Myles Kennedy wrote one song on the album which i think was "Burn it Down".

Laters Dudes

[Iai]

I didn't think Creed fans were allowed out in public.

[YDload]

I think he should be banned for advertising. Who's really going to join that Alter Bridge message board? I'm sure splashfreak already knows about it, and anyone else who really likes the band.

[Bartender]

It's not blatant advertising, so no banning. Edited his post though.

[KSE+A7X+FAN]

This just proves how much of an asshole Scott Stapp is. I mean, why would all of his bandmates toss him out, get a new singer that sounds almost like him, and play almost exactly the same music as they did before? There are no "creative differences" here, just one guy who couldn't stop being Jesus.

I hope this band sells twice as many records as Creed, because all they ever had was chart-topping success without the critical acclaim. If Stapp values it that much, he'll surely crucify himself if this band gets bigger.


Dude, why r you bashing so hard on stapp. The reason he left was because he wanted to be a solo artist, or at least wanted a change of scenery. What you don't seem to understand that he's not in it for the money. He's in it for the great feeling he gets from hitting each note just right and making fans happy. He's not somebody who stays with a band, when he really wants to do something else. He wanted to find happiness. His wife just divorced him and got custody of his child. The same child he wrote that amazing song "With Arms Wide Open" for. All he ever talked about in interviews with Creed was how his son had changed his life so much in such a positive way. His ex-wife has ripped that away from him and now he needs to find something to refill his empty heart with happiness. But by the way, the CD is really good. Lots of stuff different from creed, but also some similarities. I love every song on there, its really quite good. :thumb:

[YDload]

Dude, why r you bashing so hard on stapp. The reason he left was because he wanted to be a solo artist, or at least wanted a change of scenery. What you don't seem to understand that he's not in it for the money. He's in it for the great feeling he gets from hitting each note just right and making fans happy. He's not somebody who stays with a band, when he really wants to do something else. He wanted to find happiness. His wife just divorced him and got custody of his child. The same child he wrote that amazing song "With Arms Wide Open" for. All he ever talked about in interviews with Creed was how his son had changed his life so much in such a positive way. His ex-wife has ripped that away from him and now he needs to find something to refill his empty heart with happiness. But by the way, the CD is really good. Lots of stuff different from creed, but also some similarities. I love every song on there, its really quite good. :thumb:

Oh brother. "He's in it for the great feeling he gets from hitting each note just right?" What about that time he performed that concert nearly wasted out of his mind? And on a less-specific note, Stapp didn't leave Creed, Creed left Stapp. Even the other Alter Bridge defenders in this thread can admit who the problem was.

[IsItLuck?]

seriously, "why r you bashing so hard on stapp". I mean hez teh best singer ever along w/ alter bridge! L0LZ u guyz r idiotZ :rolleyes:







AB/creed and their fans are alike in the fact that they both are mediocre.

[splashfreak]

The same child he wrote that amazing song "With Arms Wide Open" for

Had to laugh at that statement, sorry. :thumb:

AB/creed and their fans are alike in the fact that they both are mediocre.

What on earth does that mean?

[splashfreak]

Oh brother. "He's in it for the great feeling he gets from hitting each note just right?" What about that time he performed that concert nearly wasted out of his mind? And on a less-specific note, Stapp didn't leave Creed, Creed left Stapp. Even the other Alter Bridge defenders in this thread can admit who the problem was.

Totally true. Creed left him. But when you say "even the other Alter Bridge defenders", i would like to remind you that most of us "alter bridge defenders" can't stand Scott Stapp. It isn't like we ADMIT that he was a problem. I FLAUNT him as the problem!

[Iai]

It isn't like we ADMIT that he was a problem. I FLAUNT him as the problem!

Haha.....you winner.

[madcreedfan]

If some of you had gone to the Alter Bridge message board i posted then you would see that most people on the boards totally hated Stapp. Flip and Mark made the right decision to leave Creed and start a new band, a fresh start.

Forget about Creed and just listen to Alter Bridge. OK Mark's a bit of a poser sometimes on the guitar with his foot on the amp. But he says he likes his guitar playing to sound and feel aggressive. And hey you can't knock the man for his ability as a guitar player. You would be lying if you said you wouldn't want to play the guitar like him.

I just hear alot of people moaning about creed and how they sucked and everything, but nobody actually really says why they sucked, was it Stapp, Mark's guitar playing, Flip's drumming or Brian/Brett bass????

[Iai]

That's because it's an unstated mental agreement amongst music lovers around the whole world that Stapp is responsible for everything.

[splashfreak]

^that IS true, most people never give their reasons, but two things come to mind. 1) many people disliked them because of their image and total sell out attitude (they just catered their songs to be radio hits), which I can't blame people for, because that is one of the reasons i completely despise bands such as linkin park. Now granted, Tremonti alone has more talent than all of LP put together, but the principal remains the same. 2) This isn't a Creed album review, and the very fact that you bring Creed up so much is doing exactly what I hope people DON'T do when they look at AB. I don't think it is cool for people to dismiss them just cause they are 3/4's creed, and thankfully, most people on here haven't done that.

So let's try and keep Creed OUT of the discussion. Alter Bridge is a completely new band, and they rock.

P.S. to show that I am not a completely stubborn idiot, I am going to revamp my rating. While I DO think this is the best album of all time, I don't really think it is the GREATEST of all time... if that makes any sense...

[pixiesfanyo]

This isn't a Creed album review, and the very fact that you bring Creed up so much is doing exactly what I hope people DON'T do when they look at AB. I don't think it is cool for people to dismiss them just cause they are 3/4's creed, and thankfully, most people on here haven't done that.



....Dude. Why not. When you listen to a Lou Reed record you compare it to the Velvet Underground. When you listen to a John Lennon album you compare it to a Beatles Album.

[Cain]

^that IS true, most people never give their reasons, but two things come to mind. 1) many people disliked them because of their image and total sell out attitude (they just catered their songs to be radio hits), which I can't blame people for, because that is one of the reasons i completely despise bands such as linkin park. Now granted, Tremonti alone has more talent than all of LP put together, but the principal remains the same. 2) This isn't a Creed album review, and the very fact that you bring Creed up so much is doing exactly what I hope people DON'T do when they look at AB. I don't think it is cool for people to dismiss them just cause they are 3/4's creed, and thankfully, most people on here haven't done that.

So let's try and keep Creed OUT of the discussion. Alter Bridge is a completely new band, and they rock.

P.S. to show that I am not a completely stubborn idiot, I am going to revamp my rating. While I DO think this is the best album of all time, I don't really think it is the GREATEST of all time... if that makes any sense...

This is one of the most intelligent and open-minded posts I've read from a fan dealing with attacks by ignoramuses. Quite an improvement from the childish bitch-slapping earlier between some of us in here, wouldn't you say? Splashfreak, that was one awesome post right there, and I agree with every bit of it. Alter Bridge, like I said in my personal review early in the thread, are a different band. But like any band where the members once comprised another group, they sound like it, and they don't have enough confidence in the band's integrity yet. They really do want to shake the shadow of Creed. For instance, in last month's Guitar One, Tremonti reffered to any performance of Creed tunes AB might do as "I have no intention of basking in the legacy of my old band by getting up there and playing Creed cover tunes. We'll never do a Creed song live as long as we live. This is a different band, and we're gonna play our songs." That's a hugely important step. They will hopefully stop chickening out on selection of singles and pick the coolest songs rather than the stereotypically catchiest. Stairway to Heaven wasn't "catchy." It was "beautiful," and "badass." Which is why THAT's one of the best rock songs of all time, and not something like "Come Sail Away" by Styx. I think that once Myles gets more input, hopefully on guitar as well, that will totally add a new dimension to it. Myles on primary rhythm and Tremonti doing all the cool high-neck register parts during verses would be a brilliant thing to see, instead of them all blasting out a rhythm in unison.

[DekWannaBFlea]

This is one of the most intelligent and open-minded posts I've read from a fan dealing with attacks by ignoramuses. Quite an improvement from the childish bitch-slapping earlier between some of us in here, wouldn't you say? Splashfreak, that was one awesome post right there, and I agree with every bit of it. Alter Bridge, like I said in my personal review early in the thread, are a different band. But like any band where the members once comprised another group, they sound like it, and they don't have enough confidence in the band's integrity yet. They really do want to shake the shadow of Creed. For instance, in last month's Guitar One, Tremonti reffered to any performance of Creed tunes AB might do as "I have no intention of basking in the legacy of my old band by getting up there and playing Creed cover tunes. We'll never do a Creed song live as long as we live. This is a different band, and we're gonna play our songs." That's a hugely important step. They will hopefully stop chickening out on selection of singles and pick the coolest songs rather than the stereotypically catchiest. Stairway to Heaven wasn't "catchy." It was "beautiful," and "badass." Which is why THAT's one of the best rock songs of all time, and not something like "Come Sail Away" by Styx. I think that once Myles gets more input, hopefully on guitar as well, that will totally add a new dimension to it. Myles on primary rhythm and Tremonti doing all the cool high-neck register parts during verses would be a brilliant thing to see, instead of them all blasting out a rhythm in unison.


I don't think AB picks their singles.....WInd up records does....I could be wrong though. I have heard that tremonti wanted their first single to be "Down to my last" but the record company wanted "Open your eyes".

But anyway, I agree with both of you. I think Bands would get so much more credit if they/rercord companies would put out the "best" song, instead of the song that sounds best on the radio.

Thats why i pray that AB comes out with Find the real, One day remains, Metalligus or THe end is here as their next single.

[madcreedfan]

So are any of you members on the Alter Bridge message board??

[Iai]

I don't think AB picks their singles.....WInd up records does....I could be wrong though. I have heard that tremonti wanted their first single to be "Down to my last" but the record company wanted "Open your eyes".


Generally you'll find this to be the case with all bands. Some are different, but only those that have been granted artistic freedom by their label. Beck and Metallica are two prime examples - Metallica because they bought the rights to their entire back catalogue, and Beck because he's amazing at negotiating contracts.

However, in most cases, the label owns the rights to the music and not the band, hence the label gets to choose what is released. Remember, the label employs the band, just like your boss employs you.

[DekWannaBFlea]

seriously, "why r you bashing so hard on stapp". I mean hez teh best singer ever along w/ alter bridge! L0LZ u guyz r idiotZ :rolleyes:



AB/creed and their fans are alike in the fact that they both are mediocre.

Way to sterotype and lump us in one group :rolleyes: . Why don't you go say that all mexican like to steal stuff *sarcasm*. Its basically saying the same thing. Don't sterotype peopl man. I have a wide taste in music and don't think AB is the best thing that has ever happened to rock music, but i still like em.

[DekWannaBFlea]

^that IS true, most people never give their reasons, but two things come to mind. 1) many people disliked them because of their image and total sell out attitude (they just catered their songs to be radio hits), which I can't blame people for, because that is one of the reasons i completely despise bands such as linkin park. Now granted, Tremonti alone has more talent than all of LP put together, but the principal remains the same. 2) This isn't a Creed album review, and the very fact that you bring Creed up so much is doing exactly what I hope people DON'T do when they look at AB. I don't think it is cool for people to dismiss them just cause they are 3/4's creed, and thankfully, most people on here haven't done that.

So let's try and keep Creed OUT of the discussion. Alter Bridge is a completely new band, and they rock.

P.S. to show that I am not a completely stubborn idiot, I am going to revamp my rating. While I DO think this is the best album of all time, I don't really think it is the GREATEST of all time... if that makes any sense...


Like i said they didn't sell out because the record company chose the singles.....

[DekWannaBFlea]

....Dude. Why not. When you listen to a Lou Reed record you compare it to the Velvet Underground. When you listen to a John Lennon album you compare it to a Beatles Album.


Because they are two totally different bands.....Example....Could you compare Audioslave and Rage against the machine? Rage is like Rap funk Hard rock and Audioslave is Alternativish/metalish rock. You can't compare the two because they don't play the same style of music. Its like compare apples and oranges. The same goes with creed/alter bridge.....totally different musical directions.

[splashfreak]

I don't think AB picks their singles.....WInd up records does....I could be wrong though. I have heard that tremonti wanted their first single to be "Down to my last" but the record company wanted "Open your eyes".

But anyway, I agree with both of you. I think Bands would get so much more credit if they/rercord companies would put out the "best" song, instead of the song that sounds best on the radio.

Thats why i pray that AB comes out with Find the real, One day remains, Metalligus or THe end is here as their next single.

Completely true, even down to the fact that Tremonti DID want down to my last to be the first single. The reason wind up gave for not using it? It sounded too much like Creed. What a load of crud.

One Day Remains should DEFINITELY be their next single. That song is nothing like Creed really, so it could help seperate them some more.

Like i said they didn't sell out because the record company chose the singles.....

True, Creed didn't pick their singles, but EVERYSONG they made was supposed to be a radiohit. Also, the band has input. they don't get the final decision, but if Scott Stapp were to go to wind up and say "With arms wide open" NEEDS to be a single, chances are that eventually they would make it a single.

But anyway, I LIKE Creed, so i'm not bashing them, but their are legitimate reasons to hate them. If I didn't like their sound, I would hate them too. I can just look past Stapp and enjoy the music. if you don't LIKE the music, it is hard to hold anything but contempt for them, i would guess.

[Bartender]

Because they are two totally different bands.....Example....Could you compare Audioslave and Rage against the machine? Rage is like Rap funk Hard rock and Audioslave is Alternativish/metalish rock.

Audioslave and RATM both play(ed) hard rock, verging on metal; they just have very different vocalists. So yes, you can compare them. Even if they did play significantly different music, you could compare them.


So are any of you members on the Alter Bridge message board??

Do you run that board or something?

[splashfreak]

Audioslave and RATM both play(ed) hard rock, verging on metal; they just have very different vocalists. So yes, you can compare them. Even if they did play significantly different music, you could compare them.

Comparing is one thing. Dismissing one band because it has some members from another band is undertsandable, i guess, but it is close minded.

Now, I'm not saying anyone here has done that. I am just saying in general that is a stupid thing to do.



Originally Posted by madcreedfan
So are any of you members on the Alter Bridge message board??



Do you run that board or something?

I was wondering the same thing... I mean, Alter Bridge message boards are cool and whatnot, but this seems a little over the top...

[madcreedfan]

No i don't run it. It's run by an American woman called Kim, she's a huge Creed and Alter Bridge fans and has followed them for years. I think Mark and Flip are so used to seeing her they practically know she'll be at every show in her area. The band allowed her to record a live show they did in Indianapolis and the band held a sign with the address of the site on it, so that other fans knew about the site.

It's a kool place, nobody argues with eachother. Musicians talk to eachother with some of the more experienced ones giving beginners advice. And theres tons to talk about. Fans also share their photos of them with band members.

[YDload]

If you advertise on this site, you will get lots and lots of spam and flames from people who hate Creed and would like to sign up on their message boards just to antagonize them. You had better high-tail it back to Alter Bridge Land before you regret it!

*not a spammer, but knows what will conspire.

[splashfreak]

I know what site your talking about now... Well anyway, I WOULD go to an AB show if I could, but the closest place they are coming to near me is seven hours away...

And here I thought they would play "smaller" venues for a while. Well, it seems that smaller doesn't also translate into slightly smaller cities, but whateva...

Anyway, I wouldn't go advertising something like that on here... you would probably load the site up with anti-Alter Bridge people who are bored...

P.S. I love that... um, is it called a sig? A subtitle? Anyway, I love the ten thousand posts thing, YDLoad.

[Bartender]

A user title.

No i don't run it. It's run by an American woman called Kim, she's a huge Creed and Alter Bridge fans and has followed them for years. I think Mark and Flip are so used to seeing her they practically know she'll be at every show in her area. The band allowed her to record a live show they did in Indianapolis and the band held a sign with the address of the site on it, so that other fans knew about the site.

It's a kool place, nobody argues with eachother. Musicians talk to eachother with some of the more experienced ones giving beginners advice. And theres tons to talk about. Fans also share their photos of them with band members.

The fact that you describe it as "kool" provides reason enough for me not to go there. Anyway, beyond a link in your profile, don't advertise the site any more (and note posts like this one are counted as advertising too, not just posting blatant links).

Congrats on the 10,000 Herr Load.

[DekWannaBFlea]

Audioslave and RATM both play(ed) hard rock, verging on metal; they just have very different vocalists. So yes, you can compare them. Even if they did play significantly different music, you could compare them.







Could you compare the songs Like a stone and any song by RATM?

No you can't. maybe for a song like Cochise but not their softer stuff. That is my whole point, Auioslave is going for a different sound other than the Rage sound.

[DekWannaBFlea]

I know what site your talking about now... Well anyway, I WOULD go to an AB show if I could, but the closest place they are coming to near me is seven hours away...

And here I thought they would play "smaller" venues for a while. Well, it seems that smaller doesn't also translate into slightly smaller cities, but whateva...

Anyway, I wouldn't go advertising something like that on here... you would probably load the site up with anti-Alter Bridge people who are bored...

P.S. I love that... um, is it called a sig? A subtitle? Anyway, I love the ten thousand posts thing, YDLoad.

Tulsa Oklahoma is a small town and that is the closest live show to me. Its only about 2 hours away....I am going :)

[madcreedfan]

Well i can't go to London for tonights gig, but i know a guy who has travelled from Sweden just to see them. Now thats what i call a fan.

[splashfreak]

Tulsa Oklahoma is a small town and that is the closest live show to me. Its only about 2 hours away....I am going

You lucky friggin duck...


Well i can't go to London for tonights gig, but i know a guy who has travelled from Sweden just to see them. Now thats what i call a fan.

I would drve a while to see them... if I could drive!

[baynes]

I can just look past Stapp and enjoy the music.

you just hit the nail on the head :thumb:

[Bartender]

Could you compare the songs Like a stone and any song by RATM?

No you can't. maybe for a song like Cochise but not their softer stuff. That is my whole point, Auioslave is going for a different sound other than the Rage sound.

Did you just blank out the last sentence of the post you quoted?

[splashfreak]

^No, he didn't that i can tell...

[Bartender]

Yeah, I know he probably didn't. Just making the point that I think you can :)

[splashfreak]

Well, yeah, you CAN, but... how do you--and most people--quote? I mean, i just copy and paste and then quote it... is that not the normal way?

Anyway, to stay on topic... This review has three times as many posts as any other non sticky thread on the first page... if for nothing else, our little pathetic arguments were good for that!

[Bartender]

There's a reply button in the bottom right of every post; if you click that it automatically quotes the post for you.

[splashfreak]

There's a reply button in the bottom right of every post; if you click that it automatically quotes the post for you.

So THAT'S how you do it... Thanks!

[madcreedfan]

Well the London gig seemed to go down well with everyone that went, people are saying the energy in the room was amazing, and the band were really nice.....and Myles can hit they really high notes live. They stayed outside with the fans for a long time as well, just chatting with their fans......i can't wait until next year, i hope they come to Glasgow so it's near enough for me to go.

[splashfreak]

^sounds awesome. Myles CAN indeed hit the high notes, something which Stapp could never do... yet another reason Myles is cooler!

[madcreedfan]

I got chills when i first heard Broken Wings when Myles hits that high note in the chorus towards the end of the song. How does he do it??

I gotta ask him that when i see him.

[ssgoku1288]

I personally thought that most of the album was good, I realy liked Burn It Down, and I thought that the review of the song was kind of harsh. The first time I listened to it, I thought the same thing, that it just didn't get off. I listened to it again, and realized that it just wasn't supposed to get off the ground. This song really differed from Creed's old stuff a lot, and I think some of the best singing is done right here. The main difference in this album to Creed stuff are the lyrics. THEY ARE SO MUCH BETTER!!! I think that Scott Staph has been holding this great band back for way too long, great job of the band to realize what an asshole crackhead he was. By the way, Scott is trying to do music solo. Man he's some piece of work, his stuff sucks so, so bad.

[Iai]

Isn't Stapp going to make a hip-hop album?

[Theo]

[QUOTE=Iai]Isn't Stapp going to make a hip-hop album?[/QUOTE

Mwahaha. That'd be fukcing hilarious.

[splashfreak]

I personally thought that most of the album was good, I realy liked Burn It Down, and I thought that the review of the song was kind of harsh. The first time I listened to it, I thought the same thing, that it just didn't get off. I listened to it again, and realized that it just wasn't supposed to get off the ground. This song really differed from Creed's old stuff a lot, and I think some of the best singing is done right here. The main difference in this album to Creed stuff are the lyrics. THEY ARE SO MUCH BETTER!!! I think that Scott Staph has been holding this great band back for way too long, great job of the band to realize what an asshole crackhead he was. By the way, Scott is trying to do music solo. Man he's some piece of work, his stuff sucks so, so bad.

I totally agree with everything in that post. I was thinking exactly the same thing about burn it down the other day. I mean, it DOES get into it, actually, and the solo is awesome, and the lyrics are probably at the best on the album...

I need to edit my review... really badly... cause that song is so friggin awesome...

[splashfreak]

Isn't Stapp going to make a hip-hop album?

That would be so wrong it isn't even funny, but i think seeing scott stapp rapping about his messiah complex would be better!

[Iai]

I heard he was working with Timbaland and The Neptunes on his solo record.

Some say commercial hip-hop is all about ego; Stapp will be a megastar.

[madcreedfan]

No he aint doing a hip hop album.

He's working with a hip hop producer on his first album, i cant remember this guys name but it's something like Aurelius. He's worked with Jay-Z and lots of top rappers.

But Scott Stapp is NOT making a hip hop album. If you've heard Relearn Love then you'll know he aint doing a hip hop album. And he's said this himself.

His band for the album is the canadian band The Tea Party, i never heard of them until i heard they were helping Stapp out. I listened to Relearn Love and thought this sucks, until it got to the more rock part of the song then i got a little impressed with the band. I hope relearn love is a one off and not all his songs are like it.

We've gone off topic again!!! oops.....back on topic.....

[AvidCyanide]

ive only heard that one single 'open your eyes' and i love it i

[splashfreak]

^If you love the single, you will absolutely adore the album. That song is most probably the weakest on the album.

[Iai]

Out of interest, Splash, when you say Watch Your Words sounds like Metallica, what era Metallica are we talking?

[splashfreak]

^Hmm... that is hard for me to tell... I have never been a huge Metallica fan (I've never really BEEN a metallica fan!), so when i hear their music and stuff i really have no idea what era it is from...

[IsItLuck?]

^If you love the single, you will absolutely adore the album. That song is most probably the weakest on the album.

I see you have become the spokesperson for AB. Congrats.

[Trooper]

I just got the album a few hours ago and it is awsome.
I wouldn't say Open Your Eyes is the weakest though, I love that song. Maybe Burn It Down is but it's still okay.
Their slower songs are also great. In Loving Memory is amazing, musically and emotionally. The vocals for it are perfect.

Anyway the album definetly gets a 5/5.

[Tangy zizzle]

Why does such a filthy rubbish album get so many replies?

[splashfreak]

Why does such a filthy rubbish album get so many replies?

Why does such a filthy rubbish post exist?

I see you have become the spokesperson for AB. Congrats.

No, i was just encouragin him to get the album cause I think he would love it.

[Trooper]

Why does such a filthy rubbish album get so many replies?

There's a thing called an opinion.
They differ from person to person.
Hope that helps.

[IsItLuck?]

Why does such a filthy rubbish album get so many replies?

Because people think this filthy rubbish album is actually good, while half the posts are saying that it really isn't!
:thumb:

[DekWannaBFlea]

Because people think this filthy rubbish album is actually good, while half the posts are saying that it really isn't!
:thumb:

And yet you keep posting so more people keep reading and get interested and buy this "garbage".....Nice one

[pixiesfanyo]

Why does such a filthy rubbish album get so many replies?


Half the posts insult it. Half the posts defend it.

[splashfreak]

^Yeah, basically... but that is what a lot of reviews are like... I don't know exactly why this one is different...

[pixiesfanyo]

Because. Lots of people hate Alter Bridge. And all you do in life is defend them :)

[splashfreak]

Because. Lots of people hate Alter Bridge. And all you do in life is defend them :)


You know, I was wondering if you could get ANY more obnoxious :thumb:

Actually, i come on here like thrice a day. But i don't have much else to do, thanks to being homeschooled...

Either way, i have gotten this thread huge haven't I? :D

[CSEvedder1331]

Tremonti is still to much of a show off. He throws a fast solo in the new single where one is clearly not needed. He thinks he is God's gift to music, and I have little respect for him. They still sound like generic radio rock to me.


I'm the sort of person that believes everyone gets their own opinion, but first of all, you spelled "too" wrong.....Mark Tremonti is still "too" much.......I say this only because it leads me to believe you have a slightly smaller intellect than most people............and this was never more clearly manifested than by your comment about Alter Bridge being generic radio rock........are you kidding me??? Have you even listened to it? I want to be fair......like I said everyone gets their own opinion, but a bold statement like that should be followed by an explanation........just my opinion.