Tool

[Moses]

It always seems like you have no doubt in Tool whatsoever. You remind me of a type of Flynn for Tool. It's what you think and that's perfectly fine but it's just somthing I noticed.

[e p]

am I the only one who still disbelieves the album title and track listing?

[clearvision]

Yes.

I'm gonna have to sort my pre-order out soon. It doesn't look like this b!tch will leak...

[bwnstl]

You get jokes.

Eh, I was actually being sarcastic too, although now that I re-read my post it definitely doesn't appear that way. I blame the alcohol.

[Shadius]

am I the only one who still disbelieves the album title and track listing?

No. I'm not believing much of anything til the CD is in my hands, this is Tool after all. They've pulled similar things in the past (The same thing, actually).

[Darkness]

It always seems like you have no doubt in Tool whatsoever. You remind me of a type of Flynn for Tool. It's what you think and that's perfectly fine but it's just somthing I noticed.
Flynns a good guy, leave him alone.

[Moses]

I know. Just has lots a fanboy tendancies.

[Darkness]

I know. Just has lots a fanboy tendancies.
He just loves the Morningrise album. Thats all.

[Moses]

Hey I have alot of fanboy tendancies too. Nothing wrong with it either.

/PoS ex-Nevermore ex-dredg

[Darkness]

Yeah, I think I nearly killed Nevermore.. I haven't listened to them really closly for a while now. Dreaming Neon Black is still one of my favorite albums though.

I'm currently not a fanboy of any band... though I have been digging old Blind Guardian and Iced Earth.

[Moses]

I still have alot of Nevermore and dredg plays but there's just no need to whore them anymore. They're so popular and the same thing is happening to Pain of Salvation slowly. The thread is atleast staying alive.

[Darkness]

I've never listened to any Pain of Salvation... yet I constantly hear you guys talk about them.

[Moses]

Exactly! I could send you a song or two if you'd like.

[Darkness]

Sure, I'll take a song or two. :p

[Esoteric_Creator]

It always seems like you have no doubt in Tool whatsoever. You remind me of a type of Flynn for Tool. It's what you think and that's perfectly fine but it's just somthing I noticed.

:shrugs:

It's just I don't take the bands persona too seriously..

Through Tool's music I have learned many things, and from those things came an open flood gate. Yet, I'm not going to say that Tool is a zenith in my learning, but rather another step..

I don't think along the lines that "Tool can do no wrong", but the moment you "put the p u s s y on a pedestal" (in a way) you end up loathing the thought of something like Tool as having any relevance out of the natural need to want to rebel..

I think in the end *that* is a true fanboy. The one who sits in the corner yelling at the top of his lungs that Tool is not his boss because he (in the end) has taken them way too seriously..

This isn't targeted at anyone, but it is something I have noticed. It has become a fashion trend to "act" like Tool has no meaning for many people, or that they "don't take Tool seriously". Though, their main statment proves otherwise. Yet what they don't bother to think is that Tool has always given "food for thought" since the beginning. Would they not give "food" if they didn't want you to eat and digest..?

lol Maybe I *am* a fanboy, but I find peace in this..

:chug:

[Syncratic]

Anyone seen the artwork posted on toolband.com yet?

It looks strangely Aztec to me.

[Kage]

Thank you for this breaking news, but in the future, just read the ****ing thread. It's on the page right before this.

[EonBlueApcolyps]

It looks like something out of the Sacred Mirrors thing.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Has anyone seen this "Eulogy" cover yet? It's not bad. The singer has such a different style from Maynard that it sounds really funny at times.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=t1uljv2ByFw&search=tool

[Moses]

Thank you for this breaking news, but in the future, just read the ****ing thread. It's on the page right before this.
On the rag?:p

[Syncratic]

Thank you for this breaking news, but in the future, just read the ****ing thread. It's on the page right before this.

Take it easy, dude.

I really didn't have time to read, seeing as I had to log off after that post.

[clearvision]

Cover was excellent.

What's up with this 'key' bullsh!t? (post on toolband)

[Shadius]

:shrugs:

It's just I don't take the bands persona too seriously..

Through Tool's music I have learned many things, and from those things came an open flood gate. Yet, I'm not going to say that Tool is a zenith in my learning, but rather another step..

I don't think along the lines that "Tool can do no wrong", but the moment you "put the p u s s y on a pedestal" (in a way) you end up loathing the thought of something like Tool as having any relevance out of the natural need to want to rebel..

I think in the end *that* is a true fanboy. The one who sits in the corner yelling at the top of his lungs that Tool is not his boss because he (in the end) has taken them way too seriously..

This isn't targeted at anyone, but it is something I have noticed. It has become a fashion trend to "act" like Tool has no meaning for many people, or that they "don't take Tool seriously". Though, their main statment proves otherwise. Yet what they don't bother to think is that Tool has always given "food for thought" since the beginning. Would they not give "food" if they didn't want you to eat and digest..?

lol Maybe I *am* a fanboy, but I find peace in this..

:chug:

I adore Tool. Not always actively, because I'm really into quite a few other bands which are generally really different. However, even if the music isn't at the top of my list if someone wanted to talk Tool i'm sure i'd just open up and find it extremely awesome that someone else likes Tool.

I wouldn't consider myself a fanboy, I don't try and get everyone else into Tool unless they show interest. I can point out Tool's flaws as I see them, etc. I don't TRUST them, which is a good thing, as I see it. It keeps me on my toes. That said, Tool are easily one of my top 5 favourite bands ever, and likely always will be.

A fanboy, as I see it, would only praise Tool, because they can do no wrong, and constantly say how much other bands suck because Tool is the best thing ever. OR, just think everything Tool does has a higher meaning, and take them really seriously.

I mean, to be honest, I find it extremely odd that you'd start posting about the music the album contains when you havn't heard any of it, and start talking about deeper meaning and themes when you only have the "tracklist".

[Spiritofmosa]

… and that the key is right there before your very eyes.


we MUST find The KEEY

[Shadius]

lol.

[Danny Carey is GOD]

**HAMMERSMITH PRESALE TICKETS**

BE QUICK + LOVE ME.


http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/event/17003C75CBCFA3EB?affiliate=POPE

[JamJar]

**HAMMERSMITH PRESALE TICKETS**

BE QUICK + LOVE ME.


http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/event/17003C75CBCFA3EB?affiliate=POPE

****! Too bad my dad/brother have both just left for work. (The ones with cash)

[Danny Carey is GOD]

****! Too bad my dad/brother have both just left for work. (The ones with cash)

=(

Just get em later ;)

[JamJar]

Is it 18+ or not... I MUST know!

[Danny Carey is GOD]

Is it 18+ or not... I MUST know!

NO.

[JamJar]

That is godly! I am going to see Tool live! *Dances*

[Shadius]

I have exams around that time! You bastards! I'll have to settle for download. OH MAN. GUTTED.

[JamJar]

My brother has an exam on the day of the gig but not the day after and if he didn't go, I would have no one to go with. So I'm pretty much alright.

[Rattlehead]

sorry to butt in guys, but does anyone know if there is a testament thread?

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

What exactly is the key? This is gonna' drive me crazy...

[Esoteric_Creator]

I mean, to be honest, I find it extremely odd that you'd start posting about the music the album contains when you havn't heard any of it, and start talking about deeper meaning and themes when you only have the "tracklist".

lol Yeah, it does seem a bit odd, but it was something that jump up and sort of bit me..

Since the first day I heard Tool I noticed that there were references to metaphysical subjects. Once finding this I looked deeper into the subject (not the lyrics) and learned more. I was originally a majick practitioner until I actually decided to dig deeper, in a sense..

So, now I see it as a sort of game whenever it comes to understanding were the music is coming from. Every note and lyric has a story behind it, or else the music wouldn't have been made to begin with. And I'm one of those blokes who moisten myself over a deep history, knowledge, and epics. I'm an artist, writer, and musician...it's in my blood.. :thumb:

But here's what prompt me to share my theory. Every board I go to, every word that is uttered by some Tool fans, I find are completely ignorant. (again, not targeting anyone) You have the ones who where yelling, "10,000 Days! Why the f u c k do they want to be like Disturbed!?", or "F u c k! These tracklistings are gay!", and "Why is Tool doing this to us!? I hate those arrogant b a s t a r d s!" And I thought to myself, "Who the f u c k do these people think they are..?" People are so content at just looking on the surface it sort of disgusts me. I feel this is the reason why we (humans) are not evolving the way we should, because we're too lazy (or prideful) to look deeper for answers that we (humans) wine over all the time..

So! I posted what I thought. Hoping to stimulate a sense of thought, and an urge to look deeper into the mundane. I'm on the same path as the rest of the world, but I'm allowed to be on my soapbox every once in awhile..! :smoke:

Damn, I'm rambling.. :cool:

Stimulation. I think that's the whole point of music, and what Tool has been trying to do..

[JamJar]

/just bought tix

/dances

[Kage]

lol Yeah, it does seem a bit odd, but it was something that jump up and sort of bit me..

Since the first day I heard Tool I noticed that there were references to metaphysical subjects. Once finding this I looked deeper into the subject (not the lyrics) and learned more. I was originally a majick practitioner until I actually decided to dig deeper, in a sense..

So, now I see it as a sort of game whenever it comes to understanding were the music is coming from. Every note and lyric has a story behind it, or else the music wouldn't have been made to begin with. And I'm one of those blokes who moisten myself over a deep history, knowledge, and epics. I'm an artist, writer, and musician...it's in my blood.. :thumb:

But here's what prompt me to share my theory. Every board I go to, every word that is uttered by some Tool fans, I find are completely ignorant. (again, not targeting anyone) You have the ones who where yelling, "10,000 Days! Why the f u c k do they want to be like Disturbed!?", or "F u c k! These tracklistings are gay!", and "Why is Tool doing this to us!? I hate those arrogant b a s t a r d s!" And I thought to myself, "Who the f u c k do these people think they are..?" People are so content at just looking on the surface it sort of disgusts me. I feel this is the reason why we (humans) are not evolving the way we should, because we're too lazy (or prideful) to look deeper for answers that we (humans) wine over all the time..

So! I posted what I thought. Hoping to stimulate a sense of thought, and an urge to look deeper into the mundane. I'm on the same path as the rest of the world, but I'm allowed to be on my soapbox every once in awhile..! :smoke:

Damn, I'm rambling.. :cool:

Stimulation. I think that's the whole point of music, and what Tool has been trying to do..
No offense, but your location really is a soapbox. Mind getting the hell off of it for just long enough to realize that you can't really look beyond the surface of something THAT ONLY IS A SURFACE (Such as, yes...a tracklisting--the very SURFACE of what an album is). For Christ's sake, man, superficiality is one thing, but grabbing at straws that aren't even there is another.

So stop your preaching, especially when those of us who are obviously less philosophically brilliant than yourself are just trying to listen to music for music. You're the worst kind of Tool fan, much worse than those that you described in your post, because you're the kind that make us look like pretentious ****s fresh out of Psychology 101 and who have read one article about metaphysics at Joe Bob's Geocities website.

[Darkness]

^ See like, 5 posts up.

[Esoteric_Creator]

No offense, but your location really is a soapbox. Mind getting the hell off of it for just long enough to realize that you can't really look beyond the surface of something THAT ONLY IS A SURFACE (Such as, yes...a tracklisting--the very SURFACE of what an album is). For Christ's sake, man, superficiality is one thing, but grabbing at straws that aren't even there is another.

So stop your preaching, especially when those of us who are obviously less philosophically brilliant than yourself are just trying to listen to music for music. You're the worst kind of Tool fan, much worse than those that you described in your post, because you're the kind that make us look like pretentious ****s fresh out of Psychology 101 and who have read one article about metaphysics at Joe Bob's Geocities website.

Wow, that's alot to say from someone asking not to take offense..
Ah, and I live in Houston, Tx. as well, go figure..
But, as far as making you feel like a "pretentious f u c k s" that is your own doing. Nothing in what I posted is made to make anyone feel "inferior" to me, or anyone else for that matter. I *am* in college, yet I don't major in anything near psychology. As far as metaphysics go it has been a focal point of my studies for awhile...ignorance doesn't count for relevancy..:thumb:

So, tracklists are what they are...tracklists. Thanks for stating the obvious. But that's the kind of thinking that keeps the poor, poor, and the uneducated, hateful. The idea that everything is okay in *your* world as long as no one else comes and questions it for me. In other words, you're running in place. But to each his own. Like I said, I only wanted to stimulate..

And as far as the "grabbing at straws" comment. Answer me this: Why would Tool constantly put out food for thought if they never intended *you* to do something with it..?:smash:

I don't want to start an arguement, simply because it will come out to be a "who's been here longer" type deal, and I *will* lose. Or it will become a screaming contest to were other people will be bothered. Either way, you will win because like many others you are in the fad of saying, "Whatever man, music is music, and I don't need a nazi trying to change my view of it. Tool isn't that important anyways, so stop being a follower. I'm going to go listen to Porcupine Tree now.." So, go ahead and say it..

I was only trying to stimulate..

:chug:

[Shadius]

I was originally a majick practitioner until I actually decided to dig deeper, in a sense..

So, now I see it as a sort of game whenever it comes to understanding were the music is coming from. Every note and lyric has a story behind it, or else the music wouldn't have been made to begin with. And I'm one of those blokes who moisten myself over a deep history, knowledge, and epics. I'm an artist, writer, and musician...it's in my blood.. :thumb:

But every note and lyric isn't necesserally there for some deep interesting reason. Some notes are there because they sound good, others are there simply because they're in key and might not even sound that amazing or unique. The lyrics... certainly, Maynard has some great metaphors, and references some really interesting (sometimes deep) stuff, but not every lyric is a masterpiece. Lateralus particulary has some great positive messages in the music, great, fantastic.

You have to admit, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, right?

And the whole *everything* having a deeper/magical meaning thing is false, you've bought into Tool's psuedo-magical image, which they play on. Remember the article on Danny's drums and demons? They're pissing about with the fans.

As I say, the music has some magical/deep references, and it can be fun to find them, but it seems like you're taking pretty far...

Do you think there was some deeper meaning to those promo pictures of the band by the pool ****ing about with a flame thrower and BBQ? How about the fake track names before Lateralus? How about Mayard saying he'd found jesus, or any of the other April fools jokes that have gone on? Tool are a bunch of jokers, they're playing you, while retaining some interesting deep lyrics.

[Esoteric_Creator]

But every note and lyric isn't necesserally there for some deep interesting reason. Some notes are there because they sound good, others are there simply because they're in key and might not even sound that amazing or unique. The lyrics... certainly, Maynard has some great metaphors, and references some really interesting (sometimes deep) stuff, but not every lyric is a masterpiece. Lateralus particulary has some great positive messages in the music, great, fantastic.

You have to admit, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, right?

I see where you're are getting at, and I completely understand..

Whenever I stated that every note and lyric has a beginning there are two ways you could take this. 1.) Being very literal (almost like the fundamentalists saying that the world was created in 7 days), or 2.) that for the most part there *is* a story behind the music..
Sure, not everything they made has a meaning behind it (i.e. Hooker with a Penis, or Hush) these songs can be taken very literally. Yet, you have songs like Lateralus, Swamp Song, The Grudge, 46+2 and Schism which can have gigantic meanings (and are indeed masterpieces)..

I'm not saying, "Dude.. Look at the piece of wood...I think the rings in the wood *mean* something..", but I *am* saying, "Dude, Jesus had alot to say, but is he really the son of God..?", or "The Mayan calendar only goes to Dec. 31, 2012, and talks about the Sacred Tree of Life....what the hell..?", and what's even more down to earth, "Should I really follow tradition, or experience something different..?"

And the whole *everything* having a deeper/magical meaning thing is false, you've bought into Tool's psuedo-magical image, which they play on. Remember the article on Danny's drums and demons? They're pissing about with the fans.

As I say, the music has some magical/deep references, and it can be fun to find them, but it seems like you're taking pretty far...

Actually, many of Tool references of majick is pretty on key. But it's up to the individual as to how they want to take the information. Once maynard said that information is a double edge sword, because a person can use it in a productive manner or use it in a destructive one. I choose to follow the way of metaphysics because I was already on that path, but I leave myself open to the human experience. I don't take it too seriously, but I will point it out if I notice it simply because it interests me..

Do you think there was some deeper meaning to those promo pictures of the band by the pool ****ing about with a flame thrower and BBQ? How about the fake track names before Lateralus? How about Mayard saying he'd found jesus, or any of the other April fools jokes that have gone on? Tool are a bunch of jokers, they're playing you, while retaining some interesting deep lyrics.

lol Of course not. You have to be blind to take that seriously. Yet, does that mean you have to take *every* at face value because you were burnt one time..? If that were the case you would have never learned to walk as a child..

I admire the way you question rather than insult, though. :chug: Drink one one me..!

[Kage]

Wow, that's alot to say from someone asking not to take offense..
Ah, and I live in Houston, Tx. as well, go figure..
Sorry if my initial post came out harsher than I intended it to. I don't want to get into an argument either, but I see no reason not to at least continue the debate. My point was that you seem to stand on your soapbox and try and "stimulate" our thoughts, but whether you intend it to or not, it comes across as in a very deameaning manner. It's like, your intentions are good, but something gets lost and translation and it just feels like we have this "holier than though" prick here whose analyzing something that's not even there.

But, as far as making you feel like a "pretentious f u c k s" that is your own doing. Nothing in what I posted is made to make anyone feel "inferior" to me, or anyone else for that matter. I *am* in college, yet I don't major in anything near psychology. As far as metaphysics go it has been a focal point of my studies for awhile...ignorance doesn't count for relevancy..:thumb:
I missed the part when I said that I "feel" like a pretentious **** because of you. I said the bad wrap Tool fans get comes from people who overanalyze...and you, my friend, overanalyzed the track list. My comments on Psychology 101 and metaphysics were probably unnecessary, but they weren't actually directed at you, as I didn't mean to jump the gun and make judgements because I don't even know you. But, have you ever hung with some of the Tool fans that are like that (there are plenty) and just drive you crazy? If not, do so and you'll see what I mean.

So, tracklists are what they are...tracklists. Thanks for stating the obvious.
It seems like it's not obvious to you that a tracklist is a tracklist. Based on your analysis I would have guessed that you thought there was something more to them. Like some hidden message rather than the name of the tune. And you still haven't answered how you can look below the surface of something that is ONLY a surface.

But that's the kind of thinking that keeps the poor, poor, and the uneducated, hateful. The idea that everything is okay in *your* world as long as no one else comes and questions it for me. In other words, you're running in place. But to each his own. Like I said, I only wanted to stimulate..
I really don't understand this comment. You indirectly said in another post that I insulted you. WEll, here you're talking to me, someone you don't know, and pulling things out of the air, saying that "I'm running in place." Pal, these are the kind of comments that aren't going to get you anywhere, especially if you truly do have a genuine interest in stimulating, or helping us. How in the hell do you know that I don't look deeper into things? Because I can't find hidden meaning in a tracklist? Please, leave your pretentious comments at the door.

And as far as the "grabbing at straws" comment. Answer me this: Why would Tool constantly put out food for thought if they never intended *you* to do something with it..?:smash:
DId you ever consider the fact that maybe I listen to music because it moves me, and not because I want to sit here and see what message the band is giving me? While I agree that it can be enriching, and I have thought about many of the themes in Lateralus. Lateralus indirectly got me into several things, similar to the way Dredg's El Cielo inspired me to research lucid dreaming, etc. and also inspired me to write a movie screenplay exploring said concept.

But can instrumental music not be just as enriching as music with lyrics? Looking below the surface of things does not always mean finding a message...it can be something emotional...or finding your own tmeaning out of a piece of music. In order to do that, though you must have the music, and that was my original point. It's like me looking at the title of a new movie and coming up with a long explanation for what it will be about or what it will mean. Yes, that is grabbing at straws.

I don't want to start an arguement, simply because it will come out to be a "who's been here longer" type deal, and I *will* lose. Or it will become a screaming contest to were other people will be bothered. Either way, you will win because like many others you are in the fad of saying, "Whatever man, music is music, and I don't need a nazi trying to change my view of it. Tool isn't that important anyways, so stop being a follower. I'm going to go listen to Porcupine Tree now.." So, go ahead and say it..
I'm not even going to reply to this load of nonsense...

I was only trying to stimulate..

Believe me, I know that. And I appreciate it, but to me, trying to stimulate people to think about insubstantial things (like a tracklisting, perhaps?) is extremely counter-effective. It's using stimulation on things that don't matter in the slightest and wasting effort. And when you start analyzing insubstantial things, you come off as being very pretentious, and most people will automatically throw up a defensive shield to that. That was my second point.

Anyway, no hard feelings. I came off as a jerk, and I'm sorry for that. Please, if you have anything to say, respond to this post and we'll continue the debate. Too many people seem to think that any form of argument is bad; but why not debate a subject and have a chance to not only test what you think is right, but get you to dig deeper into what you're doing and maybe discover a folly or misstep in your thought process? That is stimulation.

[studmuffin]

i just like the way they sound.

[Esoteric_Creator]

Sorry if my initial post came out harsher than I intended it to. I don't want to get into an argument either, but I see no reason not to at least continue the debate. My point was that you seem to stand on your soapbox and try and "stimulate" our thoughts, but whether you intend it to or not, it comes across as in a very deameaning manner. It's like, your intentions are good, but something gets lost and translation and it just feels like we have this "holier than though" prick here whose analyzing something that's not even there.


I missed the part when I said that I "feel" like a pretentious **** because of you. I said the bad wrap Tool fans get comes from people who overanalyze...and you, my friend, overanalyzed the track list. My comments on Psychology 101 and metaphysics were probably unnecessary, but they weren't actually directed at you, as I didn't mean to jump the gun and make judgements because I don't even know you. But, have you ever hung with some of the Tool fans that are like that (there are plenty) and just drive you crazy? If not, do so and you'll see what I mean.


It seems like it's not obvious to you that a tracklist is a tracklist. Based on your analysis I would have guessed that you thought there was something more to them. Like some hidden message rather than the name of the tune. And you still haven't answered how you can look below the surface of something that is ONLY a surface.


I really don't understand this comment. You indirectly said in another post that I insulted you. WEll, here you're talking to me, someone you don't know, and pulling things out of the air, saying that "I'm running in place." Pal, these are the kind of comments that aren't going to get you anywhere, especially if you truly do have a genuine interest in stimulating, or helping us. How in the hell do you know that I don't look deeper into things? Because I can't find hidden meaning in a tracklist? Please, leave your pretentious comments at the door.


DId you ever consider the fact that maybe I listen to music because it moves me, and not because I want to sit here and see what message the band is giving me? While I agree that it can be enriching, and I have thought about many of the themes in Lateralus. Lateralus indirectly got me into several things, similar to the way Dredg's El Cielo inspired me to research lucid dreaming, etc. and also inspired me to write a movie screenplay exploring said concept.

But can instrumental music not be just as enriching as music with lyrics? Looking below the surface of things does not always mean finding a message...it can be something emotional...or finding your own tmeaning out of a piece of music. In order to do that, though you must have the music, and that was my original point. It's like me looking at the title of a new movie and coming up with a long explanation for what it will be about or what it will mean. Yes, that is grabbing at straws.


I'm not even going to reply to this load of nonsense...


Believe me, I know that. And I appreciate it, but to me, trying to stimulate people to think about insubstantial things (like a tracklisting, perhaps?) is extremely counter-effective. It's using stimulation on things that don't matter in the slightest and wasting effort. And when you start analyzing insubstantial things, you come off as being very pretentious, and most people will automatically throw up a defensive shield to that. That was my second point.

Anyway, no hard feelings. I came off as a jerk, and I'm sorry for that. Please, if you have anything to say, respond to this post and we'll continue the debate. Too many people seem to think that any form of argument is bad; but why not debate a subject and have a chance to not only test what you think is right, but get you to dig deeper into what you're doing and maybe discover a folly or misstep in your thought process? That is stimulation.

I understand where you're coming from really, and I appreciate that you try to see my side as well. I just seems to me that you're taking one point and stretching it to find a conclusion..

Yes, I did take an initial tracklist and made a theory of what the album was going to be about. Yet, in my original post I stated that I came to my conclusions through past/present interviews with the band, and others theories on the track titles themselves. It isn't like taking a random bands tracklisting and making up a meaning for the titles, but rather it's a compulation of ideas both from the band and their fans..

Again, I have read nothing but slander for a band that tries to get others to think for a minute. So, taking that principle I ran with a theory that could be completely wrong, but there is no wrong in thinking and digging. And again, I was simply sharing what had jumped at me simply because it interests me..

lol I've never hung out with any Tool fans that were *too* annoying (other than lurking around the ToolNavy boards) simply because I'm always up for debate, and new learning experiences.
I'm entertained to hear that you had learning experiences with both Tool and Dredge. So, let entertain the thought that you wanted to share an idea with a community about what type of lucid dreams Dredge was talking about, or simply a dream you had. Someone comes up to you and says that you have no idea what your talking about, and that you take the band and their subjects too seriously...wouldn't that make you feel hopeless, not because of the comment, but because of the close-mindedness of the comment..?

Ah! And calling something nonesense is not an arguement. Not to be an *** or anything, but that's a vague counter-arguement and leaves emotion as the debate (which in turn leaves nothing in truth left but a bias opinion).. :thumb:

Now, you keep throwing this word "pretentious" as if I'm sitting here saying, "Ah! You dumb f u c k s, I found this out and you didn't" while turning my nose to you. In no means did I mean this..
Though, I find this wrong on your part. The moment you open your mouth to show displeasure in anothers personal thought, you created a wall for you and those who heard your message. And this is natural human nature I suppose. One opinion is stated, the other opposition is heard next, and the popular *emotion* is follwed rather than rationally thought through. And the reason for this? Because many people have run into the annoying Tool fans where there is a "holier than thou" attitude, and the moment a finger is pointed, people will relate rather true or not (think of the fickle minded masses of Rome)..

If I came off as "pretentious" I didn't mean to, but rather wanted to share my thoughts in a civil fashion and maybe stimulate some thoughts..

Now, a few questions: When have Tool's songs/tracklists/lyrics *not* have a meaning behind them as a whole..? Is trying to understand where a word, or phrase (or even a tracklisting in this case) came from a bad thing..? It's education and knowledge, and something that cannot harm this civilization..

In the end, I wanted to share a theory, stimulate minds (maybe to look up the subject), and get feed back without the usual "Die Tool fanboy!"..

Debate away! I find the exchange of ideas to be both entertaining, and insightful..:smash:

[bwnstl]

To be honest, Creator, I completely agree with Kage. I enjoy almost all of your posts, EC; they're nearly always constructive and provide conversation topics. However, as soon as you got up on the soapbox you started coming across as a pretentious dick. And you NEED to hang out with ignorant Tool fanboys, because they are the reason why so many people HATE Tool fans. And honestly, that's the way you're coming across now, as a fanboy who overanalyzes everything.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I'm beginning to rethink the meaning of Stinkfist. It could have been a pre-emptive strike against those who dig too deep or something.

Or maybe I'm digging too deep. Oshi'

1st post in a week or so. yay

[Moses]

Yeah wtf man?!

[Det_Nosnip]

Stinkfist...


Or maybe I'm digging too deep. Oshi'


Was this an intentional pun? :p

[Adam Jones is GOD]

http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/event/17003C75CBCFA3EB?affiliate=POPE

All standing tickets gone :(

Least i've got seating tickets I guess. Little annoying though

[Kurrpt]

ajig, just do what i did at a Phish show. You'd be amazed how many people that are actually looking to sell tickets the day of the show. Amazed me because it was sold out, and we got 2 separate tickets in less than 30 minutes

[Adam Jones is GOD]

No im not bothered bout getting seating, more I think about it the better it seems actually, as Tool shows are a visual experience more than anything. Plus Download festival a few days earlier I can be standing anywhere I want :)

[Kurrpt]

yea, i really wouldnt know about that :upset:

[JamJar]

I got standing :). I am psyched. Maiden and Tool.

[the2stranger]

I'm going to be seeing Tool in the beginning of June, woohoo.
I've waited a long time for this :)

[JamJar]

I'm going to be seeing Tool in the beginning of June, woohoo.
I've waited a long time for this :)

I've only been into Tool for two years so my wait hasn't quite been as horribly long.

[Kurrpt]

well, ive been into them since 96, and i have YET to see em :upset:

[the2stranger]

I've only been into Tool for two years so my wait hasn't quite been as horribly long.
I've been fan since uh 2001, I've seen them once, although not much :(
They were perforoming in a very corwded tent, and I couldn't get in :(
the pain!!
I will see them from up close this time though.

Funny how everyone remembers when they got in to them.

[Prince of Darkness]

If Tool play in New York or London in December, I am to see them.

What are my chances?

[clearvision]

All standing tickets gone :(

Least i've got seating tickets I guess. Little annoying though

OMFG.

/Cries.

I'm f'cking angry at that actually. I had no idea when they went on sale, and i'm checking toolband every day. I feel pretty let down by tool tbh :( I might just go to download, when do day tickets go on sale?

EDIT : OH BEN CALM DOWN!

Internet Onsale Info
Onsale to General Public:
Fri 24/03/06, 09:00

I crapped my pants...cleaned up the mess then read the page again...it was only the presale...tomorrow @ 9:00.

2nd EDIT : Sh!t i have exams that week and can't find anyone to go with. /cry

[Esoteric_Creator]

To be honest, Creator, I completely agree with Kage. I enjoy almost all of your posts, EC; they're nearly always constructive and provide conversation topics. However, as soon as you got up on the soapbox you started coming across as a pretentious dick. And you NEED to hang out with ignorant Tool fanboys, because they are the reason why so many people HATE Tool fans. And honestly, that's the way you're coming across now, as a fanboy who overanalyzes everything.

I think you're right, man. Seriously.. :thumb:

I don't want to have to go into defending Tool, and their meaning or whatever, in fear that I *will* come across as one of those annoying Tool fans..

So, I tell you what Kage. Let's just agree that there are some things that can be looked into, and there are some things that would seem dumb to try. Neither of us is wrong, it's just two views from two sides of the tracks..

My original intent was simple, but I was called out on it and that's what started this mess. Let's just accept a thought, and opinion, and make decisions for ourselves..

Thanks for the kick in the groin, bwnstl. I needed that. I'll be sure to add some two cents, and just lay back.. :thumb:

But for future reference, before people go off and call others out over a thought or opinion think before doing so. The persons original intent could have been completely simple without the rebutting hand..

EDIT:
So, there's still no word for a US tour yet..? (besides Coachella)

[Rounder]

But for future reference, before people go off and call others out over a thought or opinion think before doing so. The persons original intent could have been completely simple without the rebutting hand..


:wave: welcome to MX.

[Esoteric_Creator]

:wave: welcome to MX.

Intelligence runs thin then..

[Kage]

I think you're right, man. Seriously.. :thumb:

I don't want to have to go into defending Tool, and their meaning or whatever, in fear that I *will* come across as one of those annoying Tool fans..

So, I tell you what Kage. Let's just agree that there are some things that can be looked into, and there are some things that would seem dumb to try. Neither of us is wrong, it's just two views from two sides of the tracks..

My original intent was simple, but I was called out on it and that's what started this mess. Let's just accept a thought, and opinion, and make decisions for ourselves..

Thanks for the kick in the groin, bwnstl. I needed that. I'll be sure to add some two cents, and just lay back.. :thumb:

But for future reference, before people go off and call others out over a thought or opinion think before doing so. The persons original intent could have been completely simple without the rebutting hand..

EDIT:
So, there's still no word for a US tour yet..? (besides Coachella)
:chug:

What college do you go to in Houston?

[Esoteric_Creator]

:chug:

What college do you go to in Houston?

:chug:
:smoke:

Ah! I'm here taking courses at North Harris Montgomery Community College, and then transferring to a University..
Not sure which university just yet, but I'm looking to major in Visual Communications..

What about you..?

[Rounder]

Intelligence runs thin then..

Well, considering the average age of MXers is closer to 15 than 20, (maturity wise moreso than physical age) I'd say theres more of a chance of getting a purely emotional response to opinions rather than intelligent debate or discussion. Im older than your average mxer, but I've just come to accept that most of our younger guys will type before they think. That's all I meant by welcome to MX.

[Esoteric_Creator]

Well, considering the average age of MXers is closer to 15 than 20, (maturity wise moreso than physical age) I'd say theres more of a chance of getting a purely emotional response to opinions rather than intelligent debate or discussion. Im older than your average mxer, but I've just come to accept that most of our younger guys will type before they think. That's all I meant by welcome to MX.

I see..! My apologies by the quip remark.. :chug:

And for the most part you are right. We probably just need to find a balance for both. Until then, I'll keep my flame gear on :smoke:

[Rounder]

I see..! My apologies by the quip remark.. :chug:

And for the most part you are right. We probably just need to find a balance for both. Until then, I'll keep my flame gear on :smoke:

Well, it's not a necessarily untrue remark.:cool:

[lucky luciano]

Sure, not everything they made has a meaning behind it (i.e. Hooker with a Penis, or Hush) these songs can be taken very literally. Yet, you have songs like Lateralus, Swamp Song, The Grudge, 46+2 and Schism which can have gigantic meanings (and are indeed masterpieces)..

Actually The Grudge is just about as up front as Hooker with a Penis and Hush. What he is trying to say in it isn't much of a brain teaser, and just because these songs are more to the point and less complex doesn't mean that they aren't as significant as others. It sounds to me like you are saying that just because songs like The Grudge and Hush are more literal that they don't have a meaning behind them and aren't as good as something more intricate like Schism or Parabola.

[borisdablade]

Yer liek every tool song is SOOO deep and meeningful, it blows my mind! Liek that song useful idiot works on SOOO many levels, and hooker with a penis is really a metaphor for liek the heart chakra's manifestation in the form of a phallus...which HAS to be true cause i red it in some tool forum. :smash:

[horseman]

And, like then, we got a tool fan in here who just listens to the music.



*awaits the flaming*

[Adam Jones is GOD]

EDIT : OH BEN CALM DOWN!

Internet Onsale Info
Onsale to General Public:
Fri 24/03/06, 09:00


I paniced and went for pre-sale. All the pre sale standing were gone, but the more I think about it, the better seating gets, as im too old for any sort of pit (ok, just standing around getting swamped by kids younger and much taller than me).

Im wondering bout this second night though, whether they're holding back until this one sells out, or just not announcing it yet.

EDIT: And on checking ticket availbility again today, all standing tickets for public sale seem to have gone. Im guessing it'll be sold out by Sunday

[clearvision]

I'm still absolutley gutted about it :( I have exams on the 14th and 15th...

I'm considering a day ticket for download. Or I may just wait and hope they come back next year like they did in 2001/2002.

I had a dream about it last night :-/...They played an extended stinkfist, a new track and reflection. I missed the other songs because i was having trouble with the security and they kept throwing me out of the venue lol...coming to think about it, it was more of a nightmare :(

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Sorry to hear that Rob, ill try and sneak my friends digi camera in, and get some video. Well, ill let them try it at least, no way im getting ejected for a gig.

And im even more happy now as I now have standing tickets for the wednesday :)

[Danny Carey is GOD]

WOOO i have 4 tickets for tues and 2 tix for wed :D:D::D:D

gonna be WICKED

STANDING ALL THE WAY

[Esoteric_Creator]

You know you've been longing over a album way too long the moment you have a dream about it. I had one last night..

I had the CD in my hands. It had the album art on the front, and pure white in the back. The tracklistings weren't the listings at all, but rather titles for sub-tracks. The album was a double disc..

A wet dream, indeed..

[Kurrpt]

you DO realize that you cant "read" in a dream, rather your brain leads you to believe that you "read" a word?


Just stating...

[Rounder]

you DO realize that you cant "read" in a dream, rather your brain leads you to believe that you "read" a word?


Just stating...

I think he qualified that by stating he had a dream, since you aren't really doing anything in a dream that you think you are, you're really just lying there.

[got tool?]

and another interesting fact is that everything within a 6 foot radius of your bathroom toilet is drenched in bacteria from your feces. Just thought i'd let you all know. :)

[Esoteric_Creator]

you DO realize that you cant "read" in a dream, rather your brain leads you to believe that you "read" a word?


Just stating...

That's why I couldn't give any specifics in actual titles. All I remember is that the two discs were (I suppose) 10,000days and Aldaraia. The tracklistings were split in two because of the sub-tracks..

I have heard a rumor today that this may actually happen...weird. But it's a rumor, nothing more. 10,000days being the DVD, and Aldaraia being the album..

Who knows..? :shrugs:

[lucky luciano]

Yer liek every tool song is SOOO deep and meeningful, it blows my mind! Liek that song useful idiot works on SOOO many levels, and hooker with a penis is really a metaphor for liek the heart chakra's manifestation in the form of a phallus...which HAS to be true cause i red it in some tool forum. :smash:

Never once have I implied that that's how I take their music. I'm not trying to say that they are all masterpieces which hold the secrets to the ****ing universe, like some Tool fans would probably like to believe. Tool mostly makes serious, meaningful music, some people take it a little to far, but that ain't me, I can see the humor in their music (i.e. Disgustipated, Maynards Dick) so maybe you should just settle down a little bit.:thumb:

[Spiritofmosa]

That's why I couldn't give any specifics in actual titles. All I remember is that the two discs were (I suppose) 10,000days and Aldaraia. The tracklistings were split in two because of the sub-tracks..

I have heard a rumor today that this may actually happen...weird. But it's a rumor, nothing more. 10,000days being the DVD, and Aldaraia being the album..

Who knows..? :shrugs:

how much more must tool prove to your that the album is 10000days and the tracklist is not a joke.

[Det_Nosnip]

Hey, guys...I've been doing some composing lately if you want to check it out. Right now it's all orchestral/symphonic music, but Tool is one of my biggest influences musically, so you can kinda hear that in the music. I also have some plans for incorporating guitars, drums and bass into it for a sort of symphonic metal sound. [/shameless self-promotion ;) ]

The first song, "Paean," is done, but I've only just started fleshing out the second one (untitled so far). Check it out!

http://www.myspace.com/TedPinson
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=501637

[Moses]

That's all on MIDI right? That wouldn't happen to be from Finale when I uploaded it, would it?

Cool stuff.

I added you for my band, Spindrift.

[Killtacular]

Hey, guys...I've been doing some composing lately if you want to check it out. Right now it's all orchestral/symphonic music, but Tool is one of my biggest influences musically, so you can kinda hear that in the music. I also have some plans for incorporating guitars, drums and bass into it for a sort of symphonic metal sound. [/shameless self-promotion ;) ]

The first song, "Paean," is done, but I've only just started fleshing out the second one (untitled so far). Check it out!

http://www.myspace.com/TedPinson
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=501637
Oh my word, that's awesome.
You get a thumb: :thumb:

How'd you do all that? Some sort of music software?

[Det_Nosnip]

Thanks alot!!

Yep, it's all MIDI exported from Finale. That has been the best way that I've found to produce big works like this, and it's a really great program for composing. Plus, if I ever find anyone who's willing to perform/record this stuff, I'll have sheet music that I can give them. ;)

How'd you do all that? Some sort of music software? The aforementioned Finale program. Basically, you pick your instruments, key, and time signature, and it pops up a giant group of blank orchestral score pages. You then fill in the notes, either by clicking on the staff or by using a MIDI input like a keyboard. Finale can then read the music and play it back for you, and you can export the playback to .wav or .mp3.

[Moses]

Is it from the Daily Upload?

I've been addicted to Finale ever since I got it.

You've got some good ideas going on, you should get a composition teacher. It's like you come in with one little thing and you come out with a huge grand composition.

http://www.myspace.com/spindrift000

My band, I've got a preview of a song on there which was done with Finale.

[Killtacular]

Sounds kind of like Sibelius. I tried it once, but it was very difficult to use, so I abandoned it quickly. I'll have to look into Finale.

[Moses]

Finale is wayyy easier.

[Darkness]

^ Yeah me to. Sounds like a good program.

[Det_Nosnip]

Heh...yeah, Finale is somewhat of a pain to use too, sometimes. Once you start getting the hang of it, it starts getting really addicting, though.

Is it from the Daily Upload?
Actually, I think I got it off of Emule.

I've been addicted to Finale ever since I got it.
Yeah, me too. :)

You've got some good ideas going on, you should get a composition teacher. It's like you come in with one little thing and you come out with a huge grand composition.
Yeah, I'd love to do that. There's so much I still need to learn about arrangements...hell, even about instruments. Example: what the hell is a viola d'amor? :confused:



http://www.myspace.com/spindrift000

My band, I've got a preview of a song on there which was done with Finale.

I assume that you're Nojus? :) I dig the MIDI track alot...pretty crazy stuff. The recording on Bleeding Persistence is pretty rough, but it's a cool song. The piano break rules. :cool: Is that a picture of Vlad the Impaler?

[Moses]

Yeah, I'm Nojus. It's out now, only a few people on MX knew my name before. Thanks for the comments on our music. And yes that is Vlad the Impaler, I'm thinking about doing a concept album on him.

[borisdablade]

Never once have I implied that that's how I take their music. I'm not trying to say that they are all masterpieces which hold the secrets to the ****ing universe, like some Tool fans would probably like to believe. Tool mostly makes serious, meaningful music, some people take it a little to far, but that ain't me, I can see the humor in their music (i.e. Disgustipated, Maynards Dick) so maybe you should just settle down a little bit.:thumb:

lol i didnt even read your posts, nor did i mention your name or quote you in my post. I was just randomly lampooning the stereotypical tool fan. Looks like it struck you pretty close to home because you have gotten awfully defensive over it. :amaze:

[Futuro]

Yeah, I'm Nojus. It's out now, only a few people on MX knew my name before. Thanks for the comments on our music. And yes that is Vlad the Impaler, I'm thinking about doing a concept album on him.
Your in some good bands man! Nice to see multi instrumentalist too :cool:

[lucky luciano]

lol i didnt even read your posts, nor did i mention your name or quote you in my post. I was just randomly lampooning the stereotypical tool fan. Looks like it struck you pretty close to home because you have gotten awfully defensive over it. :amaze:

What a coincidence, you just happened to say that right after my post about song meanings, which is why I figured you were directing your sarcasm at my post above you. Just a big misunderstanding I guess.

[borisdablade]

What a coincidence, you just happened to say that right after my post about song meanings, which is why I figured you were directing your sarcasm at my post above you. Just a big misunderstanding I guess.

Oh I see...as I said i didnt even read the posts above mine when I posted, i can see why you thought it was directed at you.

[Spiritofmosa]

i'm watchin a tool live at radiocity 2002 concert vid.. they hav so much props, lights, projectors and a huge stage compared to the 1997 vid i saw

[Futuro]

Anyone expecting another april fools prank?

[Spiritofmosa]

Anyone expecting another april fools prank?
surely

[Det_Nosnip]

Anyone expecting another april fools prank?

I still have my fingers crossed that the tracklist+album title IS the April fools prank.

[Moses]

Your in some good bands man! Nice to see multi instrumentalist too :cool:
Yeah, I try.

Spindrift got another guitarist and he's really extroverted and somewhat annoying but he's really good at guitar. I'm not sure how long that will keep going.

[Futuro]

I still have my fingers crossed that the tracklist+album title IS the April fools prank.
Nah, it is all real. But it is only for the mini...

Which Is why I think the mini is actually part of the artwork. But only a small section.

[Prince of Darkness]

guys, if there is truth to be revealed, it's going to be revealed on the 1st of April. That's Saturday.

/Goosebumps

Could it be possible for a double album?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000EPFPVU/qid=1143204977/sr=1-32/ref=sr_1_32/002-5029764-2067260?s=music&v=glance&n=5174

What's this?

[Det_Nosnip]

^^ Amazon.com smoking crack.

[Shadius]

An album mini is a representation of the entire front cover. If Tool are telling the truth about that album mini, which I don't think they are, then that IS the front cover. Look on amazon, or whatever site, and see the album mini's, they show the front covers of the albums.

Anyway...

Interesting price for the new album... I don't think a double album is going to be released though, though it would be an awesome suprise. If a double album was in the works, they would likely have shown the whole thing at the previews. There's nothing really suggesting that they made a double album.

Can't wait for April fools though...

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Its going to have to be a big April Fools this year, as so far i've believed nothing this year, or at least doubted everything.

Lets see who buys the lie first, and then watch all the websites jump on it

[Esoteric_Creator]

I hope MTV gets pegged again, simply because I can't stand that channel..

And while their at it, Rolling Stone..

...And then I want to hear the laments of their women and children..

j/k Just the women..

:evil:

[clearvision]

I want it to make Kerrang! front page or somethig...so they look like the tools (intended) that they are.

[Shadius]

To be fair though, when a band releases some information, you expect it to be real. Granted, with Tool everything is a bit iffy, but 'official' information is still that. If I worked for a magazine or whatever, i'd report what they'd said, while carrying over some personal disbelief and cynicism at the album title/art/tracks.

[Knifeboy]

An album mini is a representation of the entire front cover. If Tool are telling the truth about that album mini, which I don't think they are, then that IS the front cover. Look on amazon, or whatever site, and see the album mini's, they show the front covers of the albums.


No..
This was the album mini for lateralus http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00005J7I5.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Esoteric_Creator]

^^
That's extremely interesting..
I was wondering, though. With each CD since Aenima there have been different "technology" for the album cases..
Aenima - motion capture (i think it's what it's called)
Lateralus - Multi-layered artwork..
10,000days (XMDays?) - ???

What do you guys think, or wish, for the next album..?

[Shadius]

No..
This was the album mini for lateralus http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B00005J7I5.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Interesting... most bands use the album cover for their mini. I suppose it really means nothing, then.

[Trintar_VIII]

Hey, crazy thought. On the Amazon.com thing, they have it listed as 10,000 Years instead of 10,000 Days. Also, the release date is two weeks later than others say. Is it possible that this could be the DVD? I know it's a far stretch, but I'm just throwing it in.

[Spiritofmosa]

mmm does anyone know what happened to the famale bassist that used to play for APC in the Merde'norm days.

[Moses]

10,000 Years sounds better than 10,000 Days to me. More epic.

[Darkness]

10,000 Years sounds better than 10,000 Days to me. More epic.
Yes. Days is just a crappy sounding word... Years rolls off the tounge better.

[Futuro]

Paz Lenchantin, Billy Howerdel, Josh Freese, Troy Van Leeuwen, and Maynard James Keenan formed their group, A Perfect Circle. She contributed to their albums, Mer de Noms by playing mostly strings, bass guitar, and back-up vocals, and "Thirteenth Step" by co-writing a song. Lenchantin later left the group to join with Billy Corgan, Jimmy Chamberlain, Matt Sweeney, and David Pajo to form a short-lived band, Zwan. However, she returned to play strings and piano with A Perfect Circle to record eMOTIVe, released November 2, 2004 hitting #2 in Billboard 200. She also contributed a solo cover of the song "Hollow" to A Perfect Circle's CD/DVD release, aMOTION.

Paz Lenchantin is a transitional artist that has contributed to many different bands. She has also appeared on Queens of the Stone Age's album, Songs For The Deaf. She has played with David Pajo in Papa M, as well as contributed fiddle on the Silver Jews record, Tanglewood Numbers. She toured with RTX/Jennifer Herrema of Royal Trux. She has also contributed to and went on tour with Jarboe of Swans (band).

Paz Is currently working with Entrance (musician).

Wikipedia FTW

[Det_Nosnip]

Hey, crazy thought. On the Amazon.com thing, they have it listed as 10,000 Years instead of 10,000 Days. Also, the release date is two weeks later than others say. Is it possible that this could be the DVD? I know it's a far stretch, but I'm just throwing it in.

The price would make more sense...

[Spiritofmosa]

Wikipedia FTW
woo thanks.. i thought she was hott and more talented than the current bassist .. (http://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3455927)

[nightbringer]

According to Toolshed, the single 'Vicarious' will be released on radio april 17th

[Shadius]

And I expect it to be posted on here in mp3 format as soon as possible, slyly.

[Spiritofmosa]

hmmm... track 1 as the 1st single.

[ThirteenthStep]

(posted on amazon.com's art direction discussion)

"the word god is embedded into this picture, once again. This picture Is a sort of cross between "Oversoul" and "Interbeing". The eyes are a symbol I have seen before But I am not sure what it is. I think its a meditation symbol. or middle eastern. Alex Grey rocks. whats a mini cd?"

do you guys see it? im tryin to find it

[Shadius]

I thought "The Pot" was rumoured to be the single.

[3FingeredHoek]

Anyone expecting another april fools prank?


"April Fools! We haven't begun recording yet!"

[Shadius]

Haha

[JamJar]

"April Fools! We haven't begun recording yet!"

"April Fools! We split up in 2003!"

[Shadius]

"April Fools! We split up in 2003!"

April Fools, the album is REALLY called 10,000 days!

[Kage]

April Fools, the album is REALLY called 10,000 days!
:lol: Leave it to you to expect the worst.

[Esoteric_Creator]

Here's the "official" (??) word of the single to hit radio waves on the 17th..

The article.. (http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002237083)

Tool Feeling 'Vicarious' On New Album


March 27, 2006, 3:45 PM ET

Jonathan Cohen, N.Y.
Rock act Tool has revealed the track list for its next studio album, "10,000 Days." As previously reported, the set is due May 2 via Volcano. Billboard.com has learned that first single/album opener "Vicarious," which stretches past the seven-minute mark, is due to arrive April 17 at U.S. rock radio outlets.

True to form, the 11-track "10,000 Days" sports a number of epic tunes, particularly "Rosetta Stoned" and "10,000 Days (Wings Pt. 2)," both of which clock in at 11:14. Near the end of the disc are the substantially lengthy "Intension" (7:21) and "Right in Two" (8:56).

"10,000 Days" is the follow-up to 2001's "Lateralus," which debuted at No. 1 on The Billboard 200 and has sold 2.3 million copies in the United States, according to Nielsen SoundScan.

As previously reported, Tool will play its first U.S. show since late 2002 when it headlines the Coachella Valley Music & Arts Festival on April 30 in Indio, Calif. No other U.S. dates have been confirmed. Afterward, the band will spend the first portion of the summer playing the European festival circuit, with dates on tap through July 9 at Finland's Turku Festival.

Here is the track list for "10,000 Days":


"Vicarious"
"Jambi"
"Wings for Marie (Pt. 1)"
"10,000 Days (Pt. 2)"
"The Pot"
"Lipan Conjuring"
"Lost Keys (Blame Hofman)"
"Rosetta Stoned"
"Intension"
"Right in Two"
"Viginti Tres"


So, there ya go..

[bwnstl]

"April Fools! We split up in 2003!"

lol, that'd be hilarious, in a really sucky stupid way.

[Killtacular]

"April Fools! Maynard's really a transvestite!!"

[I'm Charming]

"April Fools! Maynard's really a transvestite!!"


That wouldn't shock me. Not at all.

[Shadius]

Nah... Because as my girlfriend pointed out, he has quite a big bulge on some of those promo pics.

:rolleyes:

[deadinholywood]

And here i was believing him when he said the name tool was from his army days.....

[Det_Nosnip]

No, it means penis.

*snicker snicker*

[Kurrpt]

Here's the "official" (??) word of the single to hit radio waves on the 17th..

The article.. (http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002237083)



So, there ya go..



this is seriously the BEST post in a billion pages of this thread :thumb:

[3FingeredHoek]

"April Fools! We aren't celebrating April Fools this year!"

[penelope weird hands]

Yeesus.
Those track titles suck.
*DUH*

The P33n0r.
!2801!!!!!!DAyZ (Ptr sicks.]}
etc.

:(

[Huber]

Somebody tell me if that's a leak or the fake.

I'm at school, plus I don't want to download it anyways. I'm just so damn curious!

[Spiritofmosa]

huber no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Huber]

It was an obvious find, any idiot was going to find it sooner or later.

edit:

So yeah, I think I found a leak. It wasn't hard to find. I got rid of the link because I don't want it to spread.

But damn, I can't stop thinking about it, I want to know if it's real!

[Spiritofmosa]

obviously its a fake, just look at the size. there's another one at pirates bay though

[Kurrpt]

i friggin hate torrents. You click once, and have a bazillion pages opened up

[Huber]

Yeah, but that looks pretty legit.

It's soooo tempting, but I really want to wait for the real release.

[Kurrpt]

i tried for ya...


gotta pissed pretty quick

shut down all the windows

[Huber]

Wait, so it pissed you off really quick? didn't quite read that well.

I just noticed there was only one seed anyways. It'd take forever.

[Kurrpt]

yea, i clicked it, which created a chain reaction of stupid web pages being spawned on my computer, so i had to halt that :lol:

[Prince of Darkness]

I want to wait for the album, but I know the cd won't end up on racks( :naughty: ) here for like a month after the release. So I might just download and then buy when it's available. Is that wrong?

...or I could buy it on Amazon.com for a third of the price it's going to be here.

hmmm...

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Thats my fear too. Especially since Europe gets live tool first, maybe as compensating for delayed release here.

And the thought that people here would download the album and not buy it hadnt even crossed my darkest fears. So no problem with your plan PoD (lmao, rap metal)

[Esoteric_Creator]

Hmm.. I thought that some European countries were going to be getting the CD before the U.S.? At least I had seen a list that stated that..

Which leak are you guys looking at..? I know there's a leak for "Vicarious", but it ended up being the Doom3 intro written by Danny Lohner..

[JamJar]

If there is a delay in Europe, I am so importing it from the states.

[Shadius]

The leak on bit torrent is fake, unsuprisingly. Some guy singing poorly with an acoustic or something. I turned it off right away.

[Kosmos Tree]

The new cd will be released on april 28th in germany.
When will it be released in the UK?

[JamJar]

If there is no delay it should really be May 1st.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

According to amazon, we (UK) get it on May 1st. Which makes senses, as monday is new release day for music.

But it'll be mayday, so will my local music shop be open? Oh the horrors :(

[Huber]

The leak on bit torrent is fake, unsuprisingly. Some guy singing poorly with an acoustic or something. I turned it off right away.

Thanks. Big relief. It had been on my mind all throughout school.

Now I can easily wait until May 2nd. :)

[Shadius]

Until the next leak pops up!

[Huber]

We'll make that a sarcastic easily

[borisdablade]

Wow the date is now only a month away...I am really looking forward to this, most of my favourite bands arent producing new music :(

(Well until Billy brings the pumpkins back from the grave)

[Spiritofmosa]

Could someone tell me how long the undertow album is.

[Shadius]

1.1 hours according to iTunes

[Spiritofmosa]

really? i expected undertow to be alot shorter

[Shadius]

Mostly 5 minute-ish songs. It's Disgustipated and Flood that bring it up to over an hour, with their sections of pretty much nothingness filler going on (Mostly Disgustipated, Flood is actually a fairly cool song).

[Stoo]

I just bought a ticket to see Tool in Glasgow. :smoke:

[JamJar]

According to amazon, we (UK) get it on May 1st. Which makes senses, as monday is new release day for music.

But it'll be mayday, so will my local music shop be open? Oh the horrors :(

It most certainly will. Shops tend to be open on bank holidays to some sort of 'popular demand.' My day will be buy CD, listen to it like a bazillion times, have a wank, listen to it another bazillion times and have no sleep.

[Neoteric]

I just bought a ticket to see Tool in Glasgow. :smoke:
hey, Tool n00b here! Does Maynard paint himself and stuff in concerts?

[Stoo]

hey, Tool n00b here! Does Maynard paint himself and stuff in concerts?
Well dunno. First Tool gig. Doesn't even say on their site they're coming here. Found out on Tickets-Scotland.co.uk.

[Shadius]

He used to back on the Ænima tour a lot from the movies i've seen. The whole blue/white thing.

On the Lateralus tour, he wore like a black leather suit thing? Or sometimes just underwear/shorts. I'm not sure if he was really painted.

[Esoteric_Creator]

Or maybe coming on stage with a painted white face, shorts, and a DD black bra..

Gotta give it to him for picking DD's though...oh, the mammories..

But that was back in his Undertow days..

[misunderstood]

this is a piece from today's update at Toolband.com:
And speaking of stiff, because it will be their last show in Hollywood for a while, I should remind you that VOLTO! will be performing on the main stage at the KNITTING FACTORY tomorrow night (Friday, March 31). According to the pride of Huston, TX (a city I’m beginning to appreciate more these days for reasons I’m still trying to put my finger on), after the Knitting Factory show, JZ and the boys will be drinking those big kamikazes one last time at the LA VE LEE in April (TBA) before Danny starts rehearsals with his other band in preparation for their much anticipated appearance at COACHELLA (APRIL 30) and any other gigs they might decide to do prior to leaving for Europe in early May.
:eek:
Small club tour perhaps? Something similar to what NIN did right before/after the release of With Teeth? I recently read on toolnavy from some guy that he had been informed about a supposed May 8th show in Dallas, Tx...of course, I did read this on toolnavy which is where most rumors seem to originate from...but it'd be quite awesome if they did come down to Texas before leaving! And well, there is mention of (for some reason) appreciating Huston (houston?) in today's post...

*really hopes U.S. gets a some sort of tour*

[Esoteric_Creator]

Holy Sh*t!!

I'm in Houston! They may be in Houston! This could be the best damned May ever!!

:wets self:

That would kick arse if the band does a mini tour in the US. It's no fair Europe gets the first taste of Tool goodness..

[misunderstood]

^I'm from Houston as well! (though I go to school in Austin) I'm already starting to think of excuses to give my professors for why it is i must take my final exams early! Heh, of course, assuming this does happen. I need to go home a.s.a.p. in May.

[mudvayne420]

hmmm....i wonder what TBA means

and a few shows maybe around the southwest maybe.....if so yay

[Rounder]

hmmm....i wonder what TBA means

and a few shows maybe around the southwest maybe.....if so yay

tba: To Be Announced.

[mudvayne420]

yes i know.........but nevermind that,

[borisdablade]

Or maybe coming on stage with a painted white face, shorts, and a DD black bra..

Gotta give it to him for picking DD's though...oh, the mammories..

But that was back in his Undertow days..

Maybe Cher will make another appearance, the nard hasnt brought her out since the AEnima tour :naughty:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

My tickets arrived today :) Share my joy.

No mention of who's supporting on them, so still a mystery

[JamJar]

My tickets arrived today :) Share my joy.

No mention of who's supporting on them, so still a mystery

My tickets came aswell! *High Fives*

[clearvision]

My panic! at the disco tickets were dispatched today :-/

And the college made an error on my exam entry for the 14th june....i have to pay £10 on top of the £30 i already payed :( £40 for an exam that's stopping me from seeing tool. And it should have only cost me £15 :(

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Where you seeing Panic at Rob? I've got a friend who's stalking all their UK dates.

And my condolences for all the crap preventing your seeing Tool, as for anyone else who cant go. rest assured, if we can get my friends digi camera in, ill be posting the results here

[Darkness]

Aren't they exactly like Fallout boy? That's what I've heard anyway...

[Sixty Ton Angel]

Panic sound more perverted from what I heard, although I did only listen to one song and turned it off after 20 seconds due to embarrasment...

Not that I've listened to much of either band though, just my general impression.

[clearvision]

They are kinda like fall out boy, probably very like fall out boy if you're not into that sorta music i suppose. They are just fun to listen to, as are FOB. I'm not bothered about the whole scene thing, i was listening to them way before any of that stuff really started cropping up, i didn't know what they looked like how they were gonna present themselves etc. The concerts are cool, me and my mates get drunk, sing along to all the words and make fun of all the little girls in the crowd :cool:

People that condemn those bands without listening to much of them are gay. Panic! picked a strange song for the first single imo (i write sins) which hasn't helped their image with alot of people. And fall out boy are just loved by the masses and some people are put off by that :)

I'm seeing them at the astoria on april 24th and fall out boy at brixton on 25th may...:)

Anyone here get a radiohead ticket/try to get a radiohead ticket?

[Darkness]

Guys, I think you need to see this...

"[03/31/06] - It's Four (4) Open & Loud Listening Parties!

Suddenly got a whole flurry of emails this morning, seems everyone got wind of this before we even woke up today; sorry we fell behind. Seems as part of Tool's global promotional tour for the upcoming record "10,000 Days", they are giving fans a one-time chance to hear the record exactly 31 days before its US release - which is tomorrow! A press release quotes the band as saying:

"With the four of us scattered across the world, this seemed a great opportunity to let our fans worldwide participate in something special. Tomorrow, in Sydney, London, New York, and Los Angeles, at 11 AM local time in each city, one of us will be on hand to play the album for the first 500 fans to arrive at the venue. No questions, no autographs, no cameras, no cellphones - just the music. We're sorry for the short notice, but we wanted to try to keep the media out and our diehard fans in."

The venues listed at the bottom of the press release are Space (Sydney), The Mean Fiddler (London), Irving Plaza (NY), The Avalon (LA). So it sounds like they're going to just show up, hit play, and sit quietly until it's over. No word yet on who will be at which session, but it seems likely that since Adam has been working on the music video, he will be running the LA session. Perhaps Justin will be in London? As more info comes in, we'll keep you posted. Meanwhile, this could be the lucky break you were waiting for - and maybe I'll see you at the LA venue! §

[Posted by Kabir]"

Anyone in these locations?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

If only it was easy to get to London on short notice. Sounds like a great idea, and im sure at least 1 person will comment on the London one.

Of course, im also looking at the calendar and seeing April 1st tommorrow. :) Wonder how they'll swindle them (500 people turning up to hear Green Day or something would be great)

[JamJar]

I could probably get to London somehow... but for 11AM? I really want to go but as you said April Fools.

[misunderstood]

From Blabbermouth:

Rumored TOOL U.S. Dates Leaking Out - Mar. 31, 2006

Launch Radio Networks reports: Sources have told Launch that TOOL is booking two concert dates in New York City for late May, with the dates and exact venue yet to be announced. The group is also rumored to be hitting several other cities that same month, including Seattle and Oakland. These shows will follow TOOL's April 30 headlining performance at the Coachella festival in Indio, California, which will be the band's first live appearance in the U.S. since 2002.

The group has also mapped out a European tour that extends from the end of May until mid-July, with full North American plans yet to be unveiled.

[Esoteric_Creator]

F U C K !!

I'm nowhere around any of these places..!

Yet, tomorrow *is* April Fools, so this can mean two things: 1.) 2,000 people are going to be really pissed with a few hundred more wondering why, or 2.) this *does* go down and a few hundred are going to be pissed..

Either way, a few hundred fans are going to be pissed..

[Prince of Darkness]

That is funny. It's most probably the April Fools joke.

But certainly not the full prank...I mean, it's not THAT good.

[got tool?]

maybe they'll show an educational video on L. Ron Hubbard

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

I can get to Irving Plaza with ease. However, I find it very odd that they'd schedule it for April Fool's Day. I really don't know what to think. A lot of people think that there's going to be some AFD joke concerning the new album and its name, tracklist, artwork, etc. Of course, no one really knows for sure. The fact that this listening party thing is on AFD really sticks out to me. Maybe, it's their way of sticking it to the skeptical fans who think they are gonna' do another prank this year. I really hope this listening party thing is true. I'm not going to go, but I think it's a really nice idea to let some people hear the album a month early. It'd be a kind little gesture after the long wait since Lateralus.

[Shadius]

I don't think they'd fully diss their fans like that and not show the album. They'd give them something to make it worth their while.

Maybe they're going to let them hear the album, then either feed them some false information about it, OR reveal to them something that we don't know.

[Prince of Darkness]

I can get to Irving Plaza with ease. However, I find it very odd that they'd schedule it for April Fool's Day. I really don't know what to think. A lot of people think that there's going to be some AFD joke concerning the new album and its name, tracklist, artwork, etc. Of course, no one really knows for sure. The fact that this listening party thing is on AFD really sticks out to me. Maybe, it's their way of sticking it to the skeptical fans who think they are gonna' do another prank this year. I really hope this listening party thing is true. I'm not going to go, but I think it's a really nice idea to let some people hear the album a month early. It'd be a kind little gesture after the long wait since Lateralus.

please go...no matter what, SOMETHING is gonna happen. It could be the greatest thing ever(the album listening party), or it could be Maynard saying: " sorry pal, Justin's dead, no album." that would be just as good! You can't lose. please go if it's that easy.:thumb:

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

please go...no matter what, SOMETHING is gonna happen. It could be the greatest thing ever(the album listening party), or it could be Maynard saying: " sorry pal, Justin's dead, no album." that would be just as good! You can't lose. please go if it's that easy.:thumb:

...but...but...but what if it's a seven hour course on the history of Scientology?

[Prince of Darkness]

...but...but...but what if it's a seven hour course on the history of Scientology?

Then maybe you'll see Katie Holmes there! Wam Bam Thankyou Mam!:smash:

[Darkness]

I can get to Irving Plaza with ease. However, I find it very odd that they'd schedule it for April Fool's Day. I really don't know what to think. A lot of people think that there's going to be some AFD joke concerning the new album and its name, tracklist, artwork, etc. Of course, no one really knows for sure. The fact that this listening party thing is on AFD really sticks out to me. Maybe, it's their way of sticking it to the skeptical fans who think they are gonna' do another prank this year. I really hope this listening party thing is true. I'm not going to go, but I think it's a really nice idea to let some people hear the album a month early. It'd be a kind little gesture after the long wait since Lateralus.
I recommend going. Even if it is an April Fools joke, you will forever be apart of Tool history. :thumb:

[Esoteric_Creator]

...but...but...but what if it's a seven hour course on the history of Scientology?

All you have to do is not agree to give money, or take shoke therapy. If you're lucky you will be able to nail one of those dumb Scientology chicks...you know they can't be right in the head if they whorship Zorg the Punisher..

[got tool?]

...but...but...but what if it's a seven hour course on the history of Scientology?

Free copies of "Dianetics" and free L. Ron Hubbard posters for everyone!!

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Then maybe you'll see Katie Holmes there! Wam Bam Thankyou Mam!

You have a point there. :naughty:

I recommend going. Even if it is an April Fools joke, you will forever be apart of Tool history. :thumb:

True. I'd also have wasted part of my saturday, though. Decisions, decisions...

All you have to do is not agree to give money, or take shoke therapy. If you're lucky you will be able to nail one of those dumb Scientology chicks...you know they can't be right in the head if they whorship Zorg the Punisher..

It's Xenu the Master Commander, get it right! :mad: :p

Free copies of "Dianetics" and free L. Ron Hubbard posters for everyone!!

Woo hoo! I'm hoping for a screening of "Battlefield Earth."

[clearvision]

I thought about going, but 11AM was too early....i'll expect a full album review up somewhere on the net at 1pm, maybe even a leak by 2.

[deadinholywood]

I'm betting its tool AFD pranking, i doubt that the band members would be in all different places so close to the album dropping when there is interviews/promo band shots to be done. Furthermore 3/4 of the band was in australia at the start of March to do promo work so why would 1 member come back here when there is no reason for them to?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Im waiting to hear from someone who did go, just so I can find out what was planned out there as the joke. So far, no news, maybe 500 people are too embarassed to admit they fell for it.

(then of course, if there's 500 people in a trance like state from hearing the album, then ill be eating my words)

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

I don't think Tool are that big of dicks to actually make people come out to some venue to listen to an album and then never show. But then again, these are also the people that started the rumor that they died in a bus crash. So, who knows? If this is real (which I personally think it is), expect a review up today.

[Otherside]

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=456325

The truth has been revealed.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Thats funny. Then when seeing mx had posted it, it went up a lol level, due to unexpectedness. :)

Someone pointed out to me that the original title of the news release was either an anagram, or each beginning letter, of April Fools. Still no prank from toolband yet though.