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JamJar
02-21-2006, 02:45 PM
Yo, toolboys. :)
Can any of you tell me which Tool songs are considered best, lyrically?
Thanks.
I really like the lyrics to reflection and push it. They're my personal favourites.
And in answer to Futuro. Only video I've ever seen on TV is sober once and I've never heard (and probably never will) hear them on the radio, mind you, radio stations are for the most part awful here.
misunderstood
02-21-2006, 02:45 PM
With a penis, right? :\
Right...;)
superpeer
02-21-2006, 02:47 PM
Well, I'm just looking for something good in the band. I heard a lot about how Godly the lyrics are, so I'll check it out.
Futuro
02-21-2006, 02:50 PM
Well, I'm just looking for something good in the band. I heard a lot about how Godly the lyrics are, so I'll check it out.
Sarcasm? They are not godly. They are good and they have strong meanings. They are also sung very well.
superpeer
02-21-2006, 02:56 PM
Sarcasm? They are not godly. They are good and they have strong meanings. They are also sung very well.
Well, that's what I read sometimes in posts of extreme fanboy newbies. I don't like the way he sings at all, so I'm checking now if he has any redeeming qualities. =)
They seem okay.
JamJar
02-21-2006, 03:00 PM
Well, that's what I read sometimes in posts of extreme fanboy newbies. I don't like the way he sings at all, so I'm checking now if he has any redeeming qualities. =)
They seem okay.
At first I bought Lateralus and thought it was ok. It took me about six months to get into and now I find that it's amazing. Just give it time. :)
Interesting find, Gmac. I didn't read the track-by-track because I don't want to have any idea at all before I actually hear the album, but the general overview made it sound fantastic.
YouGottaBeCrazy
02-21-2006, 03:04 PM
My favorite Tool lyrics are in "H", "Pu****", "Parabol"/"Parabola", "Reflection"
Futuro
02-21-2006, 03:05 PM
Well, that's what I read sometimes in posts of extreme fanboy newbies. I don't like the way he sings at all, so I'm checking now if he has any redeeming qualities. =)
They seem okay.
Yeah Tool fan boys are the worst man haha. You should listen to Undertow. IMO that would be the best starting point. The songs are a bit heavier, everything is more primal.
superpeer
02-21-2006, 03:07 PM
Trust me Tool boys, I've listened to loads of Tool. The only song I like is Sober. Sorry to disappoint you all. :p
Darkness
02-21-2006, 03:12 PM
Have you heard the whole Lateralus album? As a whole, I find it better then individual songs.
superpeer
02-21-2006, 03:15 PM
No, but I've heard the entire undertow and aenima album, undertow was mediocre, aenima was terrible, I doubt I'd like Lateralus.
Haha, you toolboys are funny though, every time I come in here the same happens, you guys are so sticky. =o
Darkness
02-21-2006, 03:22 PM
I'd be happy to send you a few songs from it, if you want.. :p
JamJar
02-21-2006, 03:24 PM
No, but I've heard the entire undertow and aenima album, undertow was mediocre, aenima was terrible, I doubt I'd like Lateralus.
Haha, you toolboys are funny though, every time I come in here the same happens, you guys are so sticky. =o
We will convert you eventually! Mwahahahaha!
Darkness
02-21-2006, 03:26 PM
I bet the new album will wow him...
/has high hopes
JamJar
02-21-2006, 03:27 PM
I bet the new album will wow him...
/has high hopes
Tool turn nu metal :P
Darkness
02-21-2006, 03:29 PM
Tool turn nu metal :P
That's not even funny. :angry:
Moses
02-21-2006, 03:32 PM
Tool turn nu metal :P
Tool turn prog lolz
Nice avatar.
Sleeper
02-21-2006, 03:33 PM
Tool turn nu metal :P
Adam gets on Turntables and they get another guitarist.
Futuro
02-21-2006, 03:38 PM
No, but I've heard the entire undertow and aenima album, undertow was mediocre, aenima was terrible, I doubt I'd like Lateralus.
Haha, you toolboys are funny though, every time I come in here the same happens, you guys are so sticky. =o
Heh Aenima is my favorite album. Even if you don't like his voice or the instrumentaion. Is Danny carey not amazing? :p
Adam gets on Turntables and they get another guitarist.:lol: Fred durst gets credited on the album
Esoteric_Creator
02-21-2006, 03:58 PM
Just got through reading the article, and I'm f*cking floored..
I just couldn't stand the way this guy wrote the article. I had to have the webster dictionary website up the entire time.. lol. Meh, new words to learn I guess..
I can't wait till the new album pops it's head out of the murky waters of rumors. I'm getting sick of reading rumors rather than actual facts. Hopefully, this article is the closest thing..
Do you guys think it's worth it to join ToolArmy right now..? I've been a huge fan of Tool for awhile now, but never figured a good reason to join till now.. Any thoughts..?
YouGottaBeCrazy
02-21-2006, 04:27 PM
No, but I've heard the entire undertow and aenima album, undertow was mediocre, aenima was terrible.
LIES LIES ALL LIES!
Dried Muffin Remnants
02-21-2006, 05:04 PM
Stinkfist, Schism, and jimmy all have great lyrics. H. has stupid lyrics, IMO.
What's coming through is alive. What's holding up is a mirror. But what's singing songs is a snake looking to turn this piss to wine. They're both totally void of hate, but killing me just the same.
Kind of dumb...I get the meaning though.
Aenima...terrible?! I thought it was their one album that was a absolute work of art.
Futuro
02-21-2006, 05:19 PM
But what's singing songs is a snake looking to turn this piss to wine. And that one line makes the album for me :p
YouGottaBeCrazy
02-21-2006, 05:28 PM
Stinkfist, Schism, and jimmy all have great lyrics. H. has stupid lyrics, IMO.
Kind of dumb...I get the meaning though.
Aenima...terrible?! I thought it was their one album that was a absolute work of art.
Lateralus is art
omgwtfboogie
02-21-2006, 06:01 PM
No, but I've heard the entire undertow and aenima album, undertow was mediocre, aenima was terrible, I doubt I'd like Lateralus.
Haha, you toolboys are funny though, every time I come in here the same happens, you guys are so sticky. =o
That's why no one loves you.
Rounder
02-21-2006, 08:35 PM
Well, I'm just looking for something good in the band. I heard a lot about how Godly the lyrics are, so I'll check it out.
hey superpeer, Personnaly I think its important to view it with the artwork, i.e., the videos.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7229303118362202505&q=Tool
There is schism, I think these lyrics are much more plainsoken and easier to interpret than other Tool songs.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2070749270984825204&q=Tool
There is Parabol/Parabola, imo, the song is much better with the video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3692168280346310156&q=Sober
That is sober.
http://toolshed.down.net/
You can watch all the other Tool videos here...There are also lyrics to all the Tool songs.
just for the Toolfanboys, I had this vid downloaded a while back, lost it while reformatting, its stinkfist with Paul. If you have a good version of this vid, let me know.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5899630383499031601&q=stinkfist
BassMasterMike88
02-21-2006, 08:49 PM
Lateralus is art
The cover or the music? They both qualifiy as fine art.
Rounder
02-21-2006, 08:57 PM
The cover or the music? They both qualifiy as fine art.
Agreed, I think Tool Puts as much effort into the album art/videos as they put into the music. One aids the under in appreciating it.
BassMasterMike88
02-21-2006, 08:59 PM
^
So true dude, I honesty haven't watched a video with the band themselves in it. The work they do with the clay animation helps capture the feeling and helps galvanize the driving point of the tune
Trintar_VIII
02-21-2006, 11:04 PM
They're in their Hush video, but I know what you mean. The clay animation really gives the song another dimension.
Adam Jones is GOD
02-22-2006, 06:34 AM
I just couldn't stand the way this guy wrote the article. I had to have the webster dictionary website up the entire time.. lol. Meh, new words to learn I guess..
I read the whole thing fine, guess its a Brit thing. :p
Here's a great example of how a rumour can travel btw, from telling Tool fans in my area.
"So new Tool album might be out the same time as The Da Vinci Code movie."
2 days later, someone tells me
"Hey, did you hear that Tool are gonna be on The Da Vinci Code soundtrack!"
Spiritofmosa
02-22-2006, 10:50 AM
has tool ever performed under daylight?
Treebeard
02-22-2006, 01:35 PM
Today at lunch a friend told me there is a new Tool album down at my record store? I don't beleive him.
Is it true?
Dried Muffin Remnants
02-22-2006, 03:08 PM
He could be talking about the relatively new DVD singles "Parabola" and "Schism". No new material, though.
omgwtfboogie
02-22-2006, 11:48 PM
has tool ever performed under daylight?
Yes, they have.
Otherside
02-23-2006, 06:53 AM
No, but I've heard the entire undertow and aenima album, undertow was mediocre, aenima was terrible, I doubt I'd like Lateralus.
Haha, you toolboys are funny though, every time I come in here the same happens, you guys are so sticky. =o
heheh wassup Peer.
I've long given up trying to convert you to Tool, especially since I don't find myself listening to them that much anymore.
deadinholywood
02-23-2006, 07:41 AM
Mmm this has happened to me too.... I find that i barely listen to tool anymore :( im hoping that the new album gets me back into them!
G_Mac07
02-23-2006, 08:08 AM
Acccording to last.fm, I've listened to 4 Tool songs since the 19th of November, 2005. This new album is going to have in be incredibly good if it's going to convert me back to being a regular Tool listener.
Good to see a couple of you found that article I posted interesting as well.
superpeer
02-23-2006, 11:01 AM
I'd be happy to send you a few songs from it, if you want.. :p
I'm fine, thanks. :p
We will convert you eventually! Mwahahahaha!
Naah.
I bet the new album will wow him...
/has high hopes
Well, I probably won't rush out to buy it, so I don't think I'll hear it for some time.
Heh Aenima is my favorite album. Even if you don't like his voice or the instrumentaion. Is Danny carey not amazing?
Good drummer, yeah.
LIES LIES ALL LIES!
*Truth
Aenima...terrible?! I thought it was their one album that was a absolute work of art.
Sorry, dude, blame maynard. :p
s why no one loves you.
Everyone loves me. :)
hey superpeer, Personnaly I think its important to view it with the artwork, i.e., the videos.
I've seen the videos, but I don't think I've seen Sober, I'll watch that, because that's the only Tool song I can really enjoy.
heheh wassup Peer.
I've long given up trying to convert you to Tool, especially since I don't find myself listening to them that much anymore.
That's the spirit.
JamJar
02-23-2006, 11:07 AM
Why are people so stubborn :(
clearvision
02-23-2006, 11:11 AM
*Badmouths tool*
Therapy suck. :p
I love the way you keep coming back here trying to get into tool, you seem to want to like them real bad. But TBH if you don't like maynard you aren't gonna like the music.
Toolband updates with no word on this 'review'....i might mail bomb that redneck with the same question 'is it real?' He'll know what i'm talking about fo' sho'. I just can't understand why he hasn't posted anything :(
maggot4875
02-23-2006, 11:47 AM
hey superpeer, Personnaly I think its important to view it with the artwork, i.e., the videos.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7229303118362202505&q=Tool
There is schism, I think these lyrics are much more plainsoken and easier to interpret than other Tool songs.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2070749270984825204&q=Tool
There is Parabol/Parabola, imo, the song is much better with the video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3692168280346310156&q=Sober
That is sober.
http://toolshed.down.net/
You can watch all the other Tool videos here...There are also lyrics to all the Tool songs.
just for the Toolfanboys, I had this vid downloaded a while back, lost it while reformatting, its stinkfist with Paul. If you have a good version of this vid, let me know.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5899630383499031601&q=stinkfist
they make such wierd videos,the end of parabol/parabola is really cool though
Det_Nosnip
02-23-2006, 01:57 PM
Somebody requested this, so I thought I'd post it here as well while I'm at it. Old video of Push it in which a fan jumps on stage and Maynard puts him in a choke hold.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCGpbFVDHZk
Rothmans
02-23-2006, 02:57 PM
Wow I just read the review on tdn is it known as lie's yet?
Syncratic
02-23-2006, 04:31 PM
Wow, that Maynard video kicked ***, that guy got pwned.
Sleeper
02-23-2006, 04:40 PM
Maynard was in the army, he should of known better.
Lucifer Jim
02-23-2006, 04:59 PM
Hello, people.
Since when is Tool not a metal band?
Syncratic
02-23-2006, 05:03 PM
I'm a little disappointed that the album (allegedly) only has 11 tracks. I was hoping for at least 15.
Darkness
02-23-2006, 05:16 PM
^ That just meens less filler tracks, and longer songs. :)
lucky luciano
02-23-2006, 07:22 PM
Trust me Tool boys, I've listened to loads of Tool. The only song I like is Sober. Sorry to disappoint you all. :p
That's fine with me. We like Tool, you don't, who cares, but may I ask why you are in the Tool thread then?
Moses
02-23-2006, 07:57 PM
^ That just meens less filler tracks, and longer songs. :)
Not necessarily. Could be a filler album.
Darkness
02-23-2006, 08:08 PM
Not necessarily. Could be a filler album.
How dare you...
Moses
02-23-2006, 08:10 PM
I hate Tool. I love their music but I hate them.
It's funny how everyone comes into this thread as wide-eyed, niave tool fans and then comes out as weary old men grunting about how much they hate Tool.
Spiritofmosa
02-23-2006, 08:28 PM
Somebody requested this, so I thought I'd post it here as well while I'm at it. Old video of Push it in which a fan jumps on stage and Maynard puts him in a choke hold.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCGpbFVDHZk
all the fan wanted was a hug..
Moses
02-23-2006, 08:29 PM
I don't really even enjoy them in the same way anymore. I also think their philosiphies are pretty much at a highschool level. The new album better be good.
You can just feel this rift, this widening gulf, slowly growing between the regulars of this thread and the band.
Moses
02-23-2006, 08:32 PM
How about you Kage what's your stance on them?
I might enjoy a few tracks from Aenima like the self-titled, Eulogy and Third Eye if I had it on my computer.
One other thing that pisses me off about them is how they try to be so mystical and ****. Shame on them.
Almost the same as you, but I still really love their music. The thing is, I don't listen to them near as much as I used to, nor do I consider them to be on the same level of "greatness" as I once did.
Their philosophies are interesting, but so are a lot of peoples', and I've actually come into contact with some "artists" who have much more innovative ideas than "think for yourself, question authority."
Magicaltroll
02-23-2006, 09:35 PM
Yeah, Tool's philosophies aren't the most complex, but they're not bad.
Darkness
02-23-2006, 09:36 PM
I'm pretty sure they're still my favorite band, I just really need some new material, like we all do.
lucky luciano
02-23-2006, 09:40 PM
all the fan wanted was a hug..
That was crazy, thanks for sharing.:p ,
lucky luciano
02-23-2006, 09:47 PM
They're still my favorite band, and I do agree with most of what maynard talks about, but on the other hand I wouldn't be surprised to meet them and find out that they are a bunch of arrogant bastards. I don't think that they are trying to be "mysterious" or anything like that, they just like their privacy, and don't really give a **** about the fame and crap like that.
Moses
02-23-2006, 09:48 PM
Heh, the advertisements said Moses on it before.
I have one that says Moses, but it's an add for Target that has seemingly nothing to do with Moses.
Moses
02-23-2006, 09:53 PM
It says it either way.
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02-23-2006, 10:07 PM
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Shut up.
Dr. Jake Destructo
02-23-2006, 10:20 PM
Tool opened me up to the world of metaphysics, and for that, I'm pretty much in eternal to love the band. :bondage:
Rounder
02-23-2006, 10:22 PM
You can just feel this rift, this widening gulf, slowly growing between the regulars of this thread and the band.
lol....
Im a Tool-music-fan. I do not really care about whatever it is the new *Ive got Tool Figured Out by Counting Backwards To Ten Then Standing On My Head and Taking a ***** theory is. I mean, this stuff about album reoders and the fibbonocciciococacola sequence, however interesting and accurate it might be, is not something I really care about. When I put on a Tool song, I am letting the music play, and I have a reaction to it. It is not important what Tool intended the meaning to be. It is important how I interpret it. Maynard said it himself, most of the internet faqs and theories about Tool are way off. Tool is coming from a perspective that may seem to be insane to people on the outside. I cannot hope to (or care to) understand everything maynard sings or every image Adam creates. What I can understand is how the songs/art affect me and how I interpret the lryics and how he sings them. The songs take on an exteremely personal meaning for me, which is what Tool intended in the first place. I personally think the band intentionally sends their fans on wild goose chases just for the hilarity of it. You do not need to do a research paper on Jung's archetypes and things like extra chromosomes or majik to appreciate and get enjoyment and meaning out of Tool. Especially on Lateralus, the meanings are more fundamental.
anyways who cares :smash:
Moses
02-23-2006, 10:24 PM
Tool opened me up to the world of metaphysics, and for that, I'm pretty much in eternal to love the band. :bondage:
Bondage like S+M. Oh and where the hell have you been?
One Groovin Clown
02-23-2006, 10:35 PM
I completely agree with what Rounder said. I love Tool for their music and how i can think very clearly when i listen to them. I do as well find the lyric meanings and other fancy jazz interesting, but not enough to change my view of their music. My enjoyment of tool comes from the way the music reacts with me.
lucky luciano
02-23-2006, 10:38 PM
lol....
Im a Tool-music-fan. I do not really care about whatever it is the new *Ive got Tool Figured Out by Counting Backwards To Ten Then Standing On My Head and Taking a ***** theory is. I mean, this stuff about album reoders and the fibbonocciciococacola sequence, however interesting and accurate it might be, is not something I really care about. When I put on a Tool song, I am letting the music play, and I have a reaction to it. It is not important what Tool intended the meaning to be. It is important how I interpret it. Maynard said it himself, most of the internet faqs and theories about Tool are way off. Tool is coming from a perspective that may seem to be insane to people on the outside. I cannot hope to (or care to) understand everything maynard sings or every image Adam creates. What I can understand is how the songs/art affect me and how I interpret the lryics and how he sings them. The songs take on an exteremely personal meaning for me, which is what Tool intended in the first place. I personally think the band intentionally sends their fans on wild goose chases just for the hilarity of it. You do not need to do a research paper on Jung's archetypes and things like extra chromosomes or majik to appreciate and get enjoyment and meaning out of Tool. Especially on Lateralus, the meanings are more fundamental.
anyways who cares :smash:
Well done.:thumb:
Vibrant
02-23-2006, 11:44 PM
How about you Kage what's your stance on them?
I might enjoy a few tracks from Aenima like the self-titled, Eulogy and Third Eye if I had it on my computer.
One other thing that pisses me off about them is how they try to be so mystical and ****. Shame on them.
Maynard is almost always Satirical in the way he presents himself.
Det_Nosnip
02-23-2006, 11:46 PM
I love their music, and agree with a number of their views, especially those pertaining to the nature of art and entertainment. I think that alot of their ideas and opinions are misunderstood or purposely misdirected (Maynard especially is notorious at this), the root or basic principal from which the band comes from is pure IMO. Although some of Danny's occult stuff is kinda...odd (trapping demons and whatnot), the man's approach to the drumset and overall badass persona makes up for it. :)
misunderstood
02-23-2006, 11:54 PM
Madklikor from Toolnavy, as well as Fourtheyer Shinji have confirmed that Sony/BMG in France have confirmed the release date of the new Tool album will be the 2nd of May, 2006. No confirmation of this from Blair or the members of Tool yet, but it looks to me like this might be it.
And here is a link to the thread at ToolNavy:
http://www.toolnavy.com/showthread.php?t=36660
Huber
02-24-2006, 12:17 AM
I think Tool's efforts to stay out of the spotlight is was anyone should do. It's worked, as Moses is demonstrating. I don't think they want people liking them because we don't know them. They want us to like the music, and don't want anything to do with their personalities affecting that.
I wont believe anything any of them say, unless it's about music. If DC said he played a part in a song with some-odd technique, I'd believe it. If he told me he's the kinda guy who traps demons, I wouldn't. Same goes for the other 3.
Moses
02-24-2006, 12:24 AM
Maynard is almost always Satirical in the way he presents himself.
Well obviously, but the thing that makes me hate them is they attract the slacker type guys that sit there playing Xbox and listening to Tool all the time because they think it's so philosophical.
I think Tool's efforts to stay out of the spotlight is was anyone should do. It's worked, as Moses is demonstrating. I don't think they want people liking them because we don't know them. They want us to like the music, and don't want anything to do with their personalities affecting that.
It's not so much staying out of the spotlight that makes me hate them, it's the way they present their work with such pretention and try to give the illusion of a grand depth with all these cryptic messages. I used to enjoy those kinds of things but I guess you could say I got sick of their "fake" vibe... Meanwhile I don't listen to them on a regular basis anymore.
Reflection
02-24-2006, 12:35 AM
Hey apparantly there's a review of the new tool album on the www.totalrock.com forums but I cant find it. Anyone?
nevermind they removed it... but someone must have caught it...
Rounder
02-24-2006, 01:26 AM
Well obviously, but the thing that makes me hate them is they attract the slacker type guys that sit there playing Xbox and listening to Tool all the time because they think it's so philosophical.
Ok, but do you really believe all or even most Tool fans are like that? I don't own an xbox, I work 13 hours a day, and most of my friends are the same, and are also Tool fans. That's a pretty big generalization. Maybe the ones you personally know, but most of the people I know are not like that at all. There are 4ssholes and idiots in every group, Tool fans are no different. And hating a band for what some of their fans do is well, I don't know, ignorant. (no offense)
It's not so much staying out of the spotlight that makes me hate them, it's the way they present their work with such pretention and try to give the illusion of a grand depth with all these cryptic messages. I used to enjoy those kinds of things but I guess you could say I got sick of their "fake" vibe... Meanwhile I don't listen to them on a regular basis anymore.
well, i would politely disagree on that point, as far as pretention. Most of the articles I've read that involved manyard describing the music, he was very honest and very simple. Its the other people trying to interpret what maynard has said that get pretentious.
Here is a Tool article that I think proves my point. Posted here for bastards to lazy to click a link :wave:
Date: November, 2001 Transcribed by
Billy Greene (thechicken@mindless.com)
page: 14 title: Interview About Philosophyauthor: Prof. Christopher diCarlo"There must be something in common with what we're doing in Tool which has brought you and I to this point in our lives where we are having this conversation," said Maynard James Keenen in on the evening of October the 31st. Every time I spoke about the commonality between Maynard's lyrics and how I view the world, how my students view the world, how other listeners view the world, Maynard came back to this insightful statement. What follow's are excerpts from our 75-minute conversation.
Prof.: I'll start with your first two albums, opiate and undertow. The title of the first ablum is a referance to the Marx and Engels line "Religion is the opiate of the masses"?
M.: Yes, that's right.
Prof: You seem to have a rather scathing view of Christianity.
M.: My views against Christianity or religion in general are directed towards the 'middle men'-those who are in power and use religion as a market force by which to manipulate human beings for their own personal gain.
Prof: Were there personal experiances in your life in which you witnessed first account cases of hypocrisy in Christianity?
M: I was raised a Southern Baptist. I witnessed first-hand the hypocrisy of this particular form of Christianity. But it was a gradual thing. As I got older, I began to see people claiming one set of beliefs and acting in ways which directly opposed those views.
Prof: In Jerk-Off you state: "Consequences dictate our course of action and it doesn't matter what's right. It's only wrong if you get caught. If consequences dictate my course of action, I should play God and shoot myself." Consequentialism, one of the main school's of thought in ethical theory, states that human's need to focus on the effects of actions in order to determine whether they are good or bad, right or wrong, etc. Are you familier with this?
M: No, im not terribly literate. I like to look into things and read up on them when I can.. Information itself is pure. Take a knife, for example. You can use it to cut up vegetables, meat, butter your bread, etc. Or you can use it as a weapon. The way in which information exists in its many forms leaves for us the decision as to how it is we wish to use it. Information itself has a certain purity. Human's have intetionality. it's humans who decide how it is they wish to behave.
Prof: I have on my office door the lyrics to Stinkfist because I think it is a very telling statement about what I have called the "Age of Immdediacy". That is, we want input/information/pleasure, etc., and we want it quicker, bigger, faster. Do you think North Americans have finally been reached in some way by the events of Sept 11? Has the fist finally been shoved up deep enough to wake us up to and make us realize that we are not watching a movie any more?
M: Yes, I would say the people who have been touched most are the families of the victems. But i'm not sure about the guys in Iowa, Montana or Arizona who get their information filtered through CNN. Because to them, information is coming in... thick with propaganda... all these media guys have hard-ons because of this war. They can sell more papers, magizines, keep us glued to the TV longer.
Prof: When I saw you perform at the Air Canada Centre in Toronto, during your first song, "The Grudge" someone threw an American flag onto the stage. Immediately, the bassist, Justin Chancellor, kicked it off to the side where a roadie grabbed it and took it off the stage.
M: Yea, I wanted to piss on it. The audacity that some people would assume that we're going to wave the flag and turn what we believe is a spiritual endeavour focusing on self-reflection and discovery into some kind of cheesy American propagandist movement, was the furthest thing from our minds.
Prof: How should people avoid the slanted trappings of the media?
M: Start by turning off the television.
Prof: .. and then what?
M: Talk to eachother.. you don't have to turn off your computers because that still allows you to talk to one and other.
Prof: In Parabola you state that we need to hold on to and stay inside this holy reality. in contrast to your attacks on Christianity, how should we interpret the use of the term "holy" here?
M: Life is to be revered. Few people take the time to realize how valuable their experiances are at any given time in their life because we can be snuffed out in the next minute.. This moment we are having is highly significant.
Prof: In Reflection you talk a good deal about losing or getting rid of the ego in order to attain some further end. What is it about the ego that prevents, or in some way, blocks one from getting some greater end?
M: If you look at the cycles of the moon, it starts as a thin crescent and then gradually waxes and becomes full; then i gradually wanes back into another crescent and then is gone. The moon reflects sunlight like humans reflect information. We wax and wane and when we become full moons, are ego's are full. We think we have this knowledge when in fact, the information we have his pure. And it reflects or shines off of us, is something we take credit for as though the moon could take credit for the light it reflects from the sun. We have to understand that we are ego-less just as the moon is without light. It and we, are simply reflectors. The ego is not respondsible for the information.
"The members of tool, I was told, rarely take themselves seriously in terms of their beliefs. They acknowledge a complex world and are having fun looking at the various wasy in which we can understand it. "I have very much enjoyed the last ten years of my life and how much people enjoy what Tool is doing," said Maynard. "If people can take something positive from Tool's music and use this for self-reflection and discovery, great. But im not going to preach to people about what they ought to know."
Maynard, even when discussing things that could easily become a brainbender is very straightforward, unpretentious, and nothing like the cryptic cult leader some people think he is. Even when the proffessor talks about philisophicsl theories, maynard answers with a simple straightforward analogy.
penelope weird hands
02-24-2006, 05:58 AM
Well said, Rounder.
Great interview too, really clears some things up about Maynard.
I also agree with you when it comes to Tool, lyrically.
I don't see it as pretentious at all, if they give off an aura of mystery than so be it.
I hardly think it's intentional, nor is it one of their endeavours musically/lyrically.
To me, Tool's lyrics are like the book, The Tao Te Ching, transcribed as The Way (I think..?) by Lao Tzu.
Granted, the Tao Te Ching is quite cryptic, but I see the comparison in the way that they words are so open to interpretation.
I think this is why so many people see them as mysterious.
The lyrics are not to be taken on face value.
And even when they are quite literal they connect many other thoughts that provoke a lot of different reactions from parts of the listener in a personal way.
In a nutshell the lyrics make you think!.. Which is rarely a bad thing!
Particularly when it comes to an artform in the way of music.
I enjoy the challenges that Tool suggest in their lyrics.
Spiritofmosa
02-24-2006, 07:50 AM
I love their music, and agree with a number of their views, especially those pertaining to the nature of art and entertainment. I think that alot of their ideas and opinions are misunderstood or purposely misdirected (Maynard especially is notorious at this), the root or basic principal from which the band comes from is pure IMO. Although some of Danny's occult stuff is kinda...odd (trapping demons and whatnot), the man's approach to the drumset and overall badass persona makes up for it. :)
you avatar is getting me horny.. are they a band?
clearvision
02-24-2006, 12:00 PM
They are still my favourite band. They don't aim to please fans as much as other bands which is why alot of people do tend to hate them. I mean they aren't fall out boy or anything. Alot of the mystic sh!t is just for fun really, the members do seem to follow metaphysics etc etc. But they don't aim to be 'that band who think on a different level' it just happens when people start glorifying them and their intrests. I mean they have to write songs about something, why not write a song about metaphysics?
The music still gives me the shivers...i was showing my friend the good part of push!t today. I haven't listened to it for a while and i just sat there like :eek: for about 2 mins the music was just so refreshing and stuff. This was the part before maynard sings 'yet you say i might fade like a sigh if i stay' it just made me smile so much.
I listen to the odd tool album now and again but i have other stuff i can listen to, new stuff exploring new genres etc. But when i do sit and listen to tool it just reminds me why i have liked them so much.
Dried Muffin Remnants
02-24-2006, 12:01 PM
It's funny how everyone comes into this thread as wide-eyed, niave tool fans and then comes out as weary old men grunting about how much they hate Tool.
:lol: Tool is the marijuana of music.
Shadius
02-24-2006, 12:19 PM
Well obviously, but the thing that makes me hate them is they attract the slacker type guys that sit there playing Xbox and listening to Tool all the time because they think it's so philosophical.
It's not so much staying out of the spotlight that makes me hate them, it's the way they present their work with such pretention and try to give the illusion of a grand depth with all these cryptic messages. I used to enjoy those kinds of things but I guess you could say I got sick of their "fake" vibe... Meanwhile I don't listen to them on a regular basis anymore.
Did you miss the point where the pretention was a joke? :p
But yeah, I can see your point, though to be fair, I havn't met many Tool fans at all.
Esoteric_Creator
02-24-2006, 03:34 PM
I agree with Mr. Jake..
Tool introduced me into metaphysics, and I'm eternally grateful for the fact. Sure, that may have not been the intension, but that is what *I* got from it and I appreciate life more for it..
The ones who constantly complain about how much they hate Tool and such are the ones who suffer from ADD, and constantly need something new to stimulate their numb minds. In that case I would suggest better drugs, but to each his own...or watch Elmo or something..
Just enjoy the music, and once that is accomplished it won't matter how much you hate the band members. If you can take something positive, or any feeling stimulation from the music (or the band), then it was worth it..
Magicaltroll
02-24-2006, 05:22 PM
So who read the "new album review" before they tried taking it down from toolshed and all those other sites?
Darkness
02-24-2006, 05:22 PM
It's a few pages back guys.
Futuro
02-24-2006, 05:30 PM
I have said before and will say again. Who really cares what Tool says outside of music.
Rounder
02-24-2006, 06:35 PM
I have said before and will say again. Who really cares what Tool says outside of music.
I agree to a point. I mean they certainly have intresting things to say, and its ok to listen to it. They are people that have unique ideas. But they are no different from anyone with a unique Idea. If you like what they have to say fine, if you don't just don't listen. They may change the way you see things, Musically they have affected me more than any other band. but like maynard said, he is just reflecting information. Maynard is not a great philisophical leader or scholar. Hes just a guy with an opinion. He chooses to share it. Some people choose to listen. Thats great, but Its not saying anything great about maynard, he is just 'reflecting' information. The information is what counts if you choose to listen to it.
Dried Muffin Remnants
02-24-2006, 07:21 PM
I have said before and will say again. Who really cares what Tool says outside of music.
I agree completely but there is a countless amount of people who dislike Tool because they hate the idea of Tool...in other words, they hate what there fans are like, they hate that they're overwrought, and they hate their antics... so people choose not to listen to Tool. That's what I don't understand. I can understand why people wouldn't like Tool's music, though.
Adam Jones is GOD
02-24-2006, 09:20 PM
They are still my favourite band. They don't aim to please fans as much as other bands which is why alot of people do tend to hate them. I mean they aren't fall out boy or anything. Alot of the mystic sh!t is just for fun really, the members do seem to follow metaphysics etc etc. But they don't aim to be 'that band who think on a different level' it just happens when people start glorifying them and their intrests. I mean they have to write songs about something, why not write a song about metaphysics?
The music still gives me the shivers...i was showing my friend the good part of push!t today. I haven't listened to it for a while and i just sat there like :eek: for about 2 mins the music was just so refreshing and stuff. This was the part before maynard sings 'yet you say i might fade like a sigh if i stay' it just made me smile so much.
I listen to the odd tool album now and again but i have other stuff i can listen to, new stuff exploring new genres etc. But when i do sit and listen to tool it just reminds me why i have liked them so much.
/british intelligence* :chug:
Agree with every word. Tool may have lost their OMG DEY GODS magic, but I still dont get tired of hearing their songs. 46&2 came up on random playlist today (ironically, after Dream Theater - Home), and still had me air drumming.
I've decided the day I get bored of Tool is when I learn Third Eye, and nail it note for note, beat for beat with a group. Then, I will have ascended beyond Tool. :smoke:
(*not the type that informs the government whos gonna blow up what, only for nothing to get done)
Darkness
02-25-2006, 01:21 PM
Look, Maynard screws up!
http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1URK60AXHK01C352BY75NWU0UD
This is proof he's only human. :p
lucky luciano
02-25-2006, 01:29 PM
Look, Maynard screws up!
http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1URK60AXHK01C352BY75NWU0UD
This is proof he's only human. :p
REALLY!:eek: I thought all this time that he was perfect, I guess he can lose his voice after all:smash:
misunderstood
02-25-2006, 01:41 PM
Look, Maynard screws up!
http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1URK60AXHK01C352BY75NWU0UD
This is proof he's only human. :p
:amaze:
Ha! That was pretty bad...I remember when I saw APC back two years ago, he also lost his voice during '3Libras' and messed up the lyrics to 'Weak and Powerless'. Sh!t happens, heh.:p
Knifeboy
02-25-2006, 01:42 PM
Look, Maynard screws up!
http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1URK60AXHK01C352BY75NWU0UD
This is proof he's only human. :p
Wow!.. And that's more than just a "screw up" that's a major extreme fuck up..
Poor guy
lucky luciano
02-25-2006, 01:44 PM
I wish that had been a video.
Adam Jones is GOD
02-25-2006, 01:58 PM
I think that reaction was called for too, that msut have been gutting.
Bet they had just done Ticks And leeches. That song was MJK excuse of losing high notes for several days after
Shadius
02-25-2006, 02:29 PM
Haha, Maynard.. I wonder what he did after that.
Det_Nosnip
02-25-2006, 02:32 PM
Ouch! Poor guy. It sounded like he was losing his voice....
Maybe MJK should get a voice coach or someone like Devin Townsend to teach him how to scream properly...there IS a way to do it without shredding your vocal chords.
Knifeboy
02-25-2006, 02:33 PM
I wish that had been a video.
It was. Update your codecs
Futuro
02-25-2006, 03:43 PM
They have added another a verse to Lateralus before. They all messed up somehow. So Danny started playing the verse tom groove. And like 8 bars later the bass came back in. Then they just repeated the verse.
I'll see if I have it on my comp.
http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1GH90G7M76ARP3VBYMC4RTDLWH
Sixty Ton Angel
02-25-2006, 03:54 PM
It wasn't that obvious, nothing majorly embarrasing at least :)
Futuro
02-25-2006, 03:56 PM
It wasn't that obvious, nothing majorly embarrasing at least :)
Yeah, Heck I really wouldn't mind an extra verse :D
Great user name btw.
Sixty Ton Angel
02-25-2006, 03:59 PM
Why thank you :)
I'd say the same about yours but I'd be lying :D
Knifeboy
02-25-2006, 04:12 PM
I don't know where the rumour of Tool being cd-perfect live came from, the OK bootleg have them doing plenty of minor mistakes
I don't know where the rumour of Tool being cd-perfect live came from, the OK bootleg have them doing plenty of minor mistakes
And Maynard always butchers the chorus of Reflection live, because I assume he can't pull off that vocal melody.
Kind of off-putting, given that that's one of my favorite vocal sections he's ever done.
bwnstl
02-25-2006, 05:01 PM
It didn't sound like he was losing his voice in that first video, it more sounded like he ****ed up the lyrics.
Well, his voice went out and cracked, and then he was thrown off and came in with the wrong lyrics.
Prince of Darkness
02-25-2006, 05:16 PM
So what's this about the album name and track listings? Can it be true?
Otherside
02-25-2006, 05:19 PM
Eh, in my case I still appreciate Tool's music, but I don't listen to the cds that much anymore. I have so much other stuff to listen to that's still new to me, while my Tool albums are old and played out. I will still be buying the new CD, but I can't tell you if I'll be listening to any other Tool material until then.
I'm pretty much in the same position as you, Otherside.
Magicaltroll
02-25-2006, 06:37 PM
So what's this about the album name and track listings? Can it be true?
...What about it?
Syncratic
02-25-2006, 07:12 PM
Look at the news.
This is a RUMOR, people.
Britton
02-25-2006, 07:48 PM
I heard it was true...I have nothing to back that up with.
I hope they have a new one out....but if not what's new?
Magicaltroll
02-25-2006, 09:37 PM
Umm...
You mean toolband right?
I looked on there earlier, but saw nothing great.
I guess I'll look again...
Spiritofmosa
02-26-2006, 10:14 AM
i'm just wondering if there are any christian tool fans here.. i'm still hanging on to a thread of christianity, Tool kindof opened my mind.
Darkness
02-26-2006, 10:26 AM
I technically am, but I don't really believe to much.
Knifeboy
02-26-2006, 10:56 AM
I call myself a christian, but I'm against "organised religion".. Or rather, I'm against people with religious power
Magicaltroll
02-26-2006, 11:52 AM
I'm a Christian.
Shattered_Future
02-26-2006, 12:15 PM
I'm an unpracticing Christian. Celebrate the holidays, nothing else...no church, no communion, no conformation, what have you.
I haven't listened to Tool in a LONG time...maybe I should relisten eventually.
Moses
02-26-2006, 12:17 PM
I call myself a christian, but I'm against "organised religion".. Or rather, I'm against people with religious power
Pretty much the same for me, except I also look into other religions for spiritual guidance also. I believe that there are answers in the Bible but other places have answers too.
I believe in the code of morals that the Bible teaches, but I don't support the organized religion and the church hiearchy. I draw spiritual guidance from a variety of sources, and thus I do not follow any single religion.
I did grow up Christian, though.
Prince of Darkness
02-26-2006, 12:37 PM
I'm a christian, but I don't go to church, but I do believe.
But Tool did change my way of thinking, but not religiously
Knifeboy
02-26-2006, 01:15 PM
Pretty much the same for me, except I also look into other religions for spiritual guidance also. I believe that there are answers in the Bible but other places have answers too.
Oh, definately. I believe there's something to be found in most religions
Killtacular
02-26-2006, 01:16 PM
Atheism all the way, baby.
Det_Nosnip
02-26-2006, 01:25 PM
I'd call myself a Deist, I suppose. I believe in "God," at least to the extent of some form of higher power, but my cosmology is markedly different from the standard Judeo-Christian model. I do base much of my personal morals on the ideas of Jesus and other noted religious leaders, but my conclusions often run contrary to those of many of the followers of said religions.
matisyahu
02-26-2006, 02:33 PM
christian, influenced by judaism a bit more than your average catholic
Jerzzzey
02-26-2006, 02:45 PM
Agnostic.
clearvision
02-26-2006, 03:57 PM
OMD there is no talk on this tracklisting...
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/news.php...=236&genreid=0
Sounds like sh!t to me.
I'm most similar to a Pantheist or a Deist in my religious views, though officially I call myself Agnostic.
And that fake Tool tracklisting is hilarious. 23 as opposed to 46?
JamJar
02-26-2006, 04:29 PM
I'm technically a Christian, and although I find that Christianity is very irrational, I agree with its morals.
Moses
02-26-2006, 05:24 PM
Atheism all the way, baby.
I really don't understand Atheism, it's unthinkable for me that there's no mysticism in my life.
Dr. Jake Destructo
02-26-2006, 05:30 PM
I vary between atheism and pantheism on a week by week basis.
In short, I'm agnostic.
It's hard to describe my morals..I use drugs now, but I don't do them for fun or to party, I do them for spiritual exploration..I won't do meth or coke because that type of effect does nothing for me...I'm down for most things though because I'm kind of in that 'discovery phase' so to speak.
Moses- That's not how I perceive atheism...It just means you don't believe in deities. Religion and spirituality are so vastly different that you can hardly compare the two. Just because a person doesn't believe in a god doesn't mean they can't be spiritual. Take me for example...
Syncratic
02-26-2006, 05:49 PM
I believe in God, that's as close to any religion that I'll ever be.
I believe that we are all spiritual beings.
Moses
02-26-2006, 06:39 PM
Moses- That's not how I perceive atheism...It just means you don't believe in deities. Religion and spirituality are so vastly different that you can hardly compare the two. Just because a person doesn't believe in a god doesn't mean they can't be spiritual. Take me for example...
I thought that's exactly what agnostism is. They don't beleive anything they haven't seen. I didn't know you had to believe in deities to be religious either.
Rounder
02-26-2006, 07:12 PM
I go between weak athiest and strong athiest. As much as I would like to experience a metaphysical-mystical side of life, after being burned by evangelical christianity I find it hard to believe in anything I have not seen. I can't even trust my own emotional experiences, they led me down the path of christianity.
I don't have anything against jesus or God or any other deity, but I highly dispise preachers, teachers, and believers who claim that 'god spoke to my heart' or try to force their world view onto others through the courts.
During the last superbowl. I guess there was a church who wasn't getting enough dough to the preacher, so a large group of people stood at a large intersection in my town and protested, yea, the superbowl. One sign had 'superbowl? try STUPIDBOWL!-Repent and be forgiven!' [aka come to our church, we need your money]. Any religion that tries to shame people into believing is really pathetic, and it only shows me how hypocritical these supposed non-judgmental christian groups are, and if there was a God, he surely is sending these people to hell. I remember reading in the gospels Jesus letting that prostitute wash his feet, not condemning her, and shaming her, only showing pure charity. I have never in all my years seen a christian act that way.
ARBITER
02-26-2006, 07:14 PM
Atheism all the way, baby.
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Moses
02-26-2006, 07:18 PM
I have never in all my years seen a christian act that way.
Those are just people that call themselves Christian. I was always raised Christian and I still have alot of Christian beliefs, but I've always been the one to befriend homosexuals and "immoral" people. Also the Bible doesn't really condemn homosexuality anyway.
Dr. Jake Destructo
02-26-2006, 07:32 PM
I thought that's exactly what agnostism is. They don't beleive anything they haven't seen. I didn't know you had to believe in deities to be religious either.
Being agnostic is really just being confused about your own religious beliefs.
"There might be a god, but I'm not sure" type of deal.
Moses
02-26-2006, 07:37 PM
Being agnostic is really just being confused about your own religious beliefs.
"There might be a god, but I'm not sure" type of deal.
Alot of agnostics also say they don't believe in anything until they have proof or somthing.
You don't have to believe in a deity to be religious though, like Buddism, they just believe in a cycle of life and not a god.
Futuro
02-26-2006, 07:43 PM
One of my older students drums for his church. He asked me too watch him play live. I went there. Man has church changed. I went on easter when I was younger, but I have not been for atleast 10 years(Maybe more)
I get there and the lady didn't want to let me in. WTF!? Because "I looked like I was gonna steal the money plate." Basically because I had facial hair, and jeans she wouldn't let me in.
I don't know the religion, but judging someone as a thief is flat out wrong IMO.
That's really ****ed up, man. A lot of people are very hypocritical in that manner.
Rounder
02-26-2006, 07:56 PM
Those are just people that call themselves Christian. I was always raised Christian and I still have alot of Christian beliefs, but I've always been the one to befriend homosexuals and "immoral" people. Also the Bible doesn't really condemn homosexuality anyway.
Actually my sentiment there I have never seen a christian act like jesus did, with no condemnation, judgement, or self righteousness. I realize that all christians aren't like the protesters I saw, but I have been around christians all my life, having been one myself for a good portion of it, I still don't see the true charity jesus displayed in the bible in those around me. I don't want to generalize all christians, because there are plenty of nice and moral christians. Its just that I see the same amount of selfishness/selflessness within any given group, being christian doesn't seem to be a real factor in how a person is.
Moses
02-26-2006, 08:01 PM
Its just that I see the same amount of selfishness/selflessness within any given group, being christian doesn't seem to be a real factor in how a person is.
It's just that Christianity has been the dominant religion for a very long time and it's being misrepresented by the hypocrits.
Shattered_Future
02-26-2006, 08:09 PM
I dislike people who try to force their religious beliefs onto every aspect of their lives...Christians seem to be big on doing that sort of thing.
Jerzzzey
02-26-2006, 08:13 PM
Definition of Agnostic:
Agnosticism is a concept, not a religion. It is a belief related to the existence or non-existence of God.
An agnostic is a person who feels that God's existence can neither be proved nor disproved, on the basis of current evidence. Agnostics note that some theologians and philosophers have tried to to prove, for millennia, that God exists. Others have attempted to prove that God does not exist. Agnostics feel that neither side has convincingly succeeded at their task.
Are they Theists? No, because Agnostics do not believe in a God, or a Goddess, or in multiple Gods, or multiple Goddesses or in a pantheon of Gods and Goddesses.
However, some Agnostics consider themselves to be Atheists. That is because the term "Atheist" has two slightly different meanings:
1. A person who positively believes that no God(s) or Goddess(es) exists. E. Haldeman-Julius suggests that "The atheist perceives that history, in every branch of science, in the plainly observable realities of life and in the processes of common sense there is no place for the picture of a God; the idea doesn't fit in with a calmly reasoned and realistic view of life. The atheist, therefore denies the assumptions of theism because they are mere assumptions and are not proved; whereas the contrary evidences, against the idea of theism, are overwhelming." 1 This is the definition of Atheism used by most Christians, other Theists, and dictionaries of the English language.
2. A person who has no belief in a God or Goddess. Just as a newborn has no concept of a deity, some adults also have no such belief. The term "Atheist" is derived from the Greek words "a" which means "without" and "Theos" which means "God." A person can be a non-Theist by simply lacking a belief in God without actively denying God's existence. This is the definition of Atheism used by many Atheists. They use the term "strong Atheist" to refer to a person who denies the existence of one or more deities.
Some Agnostics feel that their beliefs match the second definition, and thus consider themselves to be both Atheist and an Agnostic. Such confusion is common in the field of religion. We have found 17 definitions for the term "Witch," eight for "cult," and six for the "Pagan." -- all different. A lack of clear, unambiguous definitions for religious terms is responsible for a great deal of confusion and hatred. It makes dialog between Agnostics and Theists very difficult.
An agnostic usually holds the question of the existence of God open, pending the arrival of more evidence. They are willing to change their belief if some solid evidence or logical proof is found in the future. However, some have taken the position that there is no logical way in which the existence or the non-existence of a deity can be proven
Posted that to clear up any confusion.
Moses
02-26-2006, 08:14 PM
I dislike people who try to force their religious beliefs onto every aspect of their lives...Christians seem to be big on doing that sort of thing.
Those are people who don't really know what their religion is about.
radioclash177
02-26-2006, 09:57 PM
Those are people who don't really know what their religion is about.
God, or the God talked about in the bible is a person, an actual being, not an Idea. Christianity, or the beliefs lived out by the people in scripture is nothing more than a relationship with the Creator and Savior, it was never meant to be a check-off list or a set of rules. When you get to know somebody and decide that they are good and want to be their friend and hang with them as much as possible, this is how a relationship with God is. The point that I am trying to make is that, the people that try and fit God into every part of their lives are the only people that understand what their religion is about.
Actually my sentiment there I have never seen a christian act like jesus did, with no condemnation, judgement, or self righteousness. I realize that all christians aren't like the protesters I saw, but I have been around christians all my life, having been one myself for a good portion of it, I still don't see the true charity jesus displayed in the bible in those around me. I don't want to generalize all christians, because there are plenty of nice and moral christians. Its just that I see the same amount of selfishness/selflessness within any given group, being christian doesn't seem to be a real factor in how a person is.
Jesus wasn't an all-nice, non-judgmental, non-condemning figure. The Sermon on the Mount's not the only part of the Bible. Seeing as how the Abrahamic religions all intend their followers to stick to the letter, it's the evangelicals and fundamentalists that are the true believers.
Det_Nosnip
02-26-2006, 10:48 PM
I remember reading in the gospels Jesus letting that prostitute wash his feet, not condemning her, and shaming her, only showing pure charity. I have never in all my years seen a christian act that way.
There is one person that I knew once who comes pretty close. He was a homosexual anarchist and a devout Catholic who held a masters in religion, and he conducted himself as close to what Jesus intended as I've ever seen..very inspirational.
Moses
02-26-2006, 11:10 PM
Jesus wasn't an all-nice, non-judgmental, non-condemning figure. The Sermon on the Mount's not the only part of the Bible. Seeing as how the Abrahamic religions all intend their followers to stick to the letter, it's the evangelicals and fundamentalists that are the true believers.
You know know what they intend then?
You know know what they intend then?
I doubt intention has to come into this. If it is the word and the law and perfect, then I see no need to second-guess the authors.
Moses
02-26-2006, 11:21 PM
I doubt intention has to come into this. If it is the word and the law and perfect, then I see no need to second-guess the authors.
The Evangelists are usually misinterpreting the Bible in alot of cases as in homosexuality and especially forcing the religion on others. It is meant to be spread but I highly doubt it was supposed to be forced.
Spiritofmosa
02-27-2006, 02:57 AM
there are so many kind of christians. i really dislike certain carasmatic ( or whatever its spelled as ) churches, with kids raising their arms and getting emotional and celebrity pastors shouting to get their adraline rushing.. and call themselves christians.. if i want to go for a concert i'll got for a concert, if i want to go for a church service, i would go to a proper church with humbleness and a quiet heart.
the point of my life when i started getting lucid dreaming got me in bands like tool and dredg. and i started reading the sub rosa and da vinci code made me question christianity.
Rounder
02-27-2006, 05:16 AM
Jesus wasn't an all-nice, non-judgmental, non-condemning figure. The Sermon on the Mount's not the only part of the Bible. Seeing as how the Abrahamic religions all intend their followers to stick to the letter, it's the evangelicals and fundamentalists that are the true believers.
Well, jesus got pissed once, when there were moneychangers in the temple. Seems weird most christians have selective memory about that and still go to churches (temples) in which money is a big part of.
And I'll have to disagree about evangelicals sticking to the letter. If you read the Holiness Code (Levitus i think) not only does God condemn homosexuals, but also stoning to death a rebellious teenager, selling/buying slaves (including children), owning the slaves wives and children so that when its time to be set free, he must choose freedom or staying with his wife and children. having sex with slaves as long as the slaveowner is paid. So is beating your slave as long as he still lives after the beating. This is the same section of the bible that says having homosexual sex is evil and you must be put to death. Everyone seems to leave these parts out on Sunday....
incubliss
02-27-2006, 01:52 PM
This is taken from the Dutch listening session. Kindly translated by someone on the Toolshed forum.
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Sunday night the day we’ve been waiting for was finally here. A handful of journalists were allowed to hear the entire new tool album, without knowing the track titles or album title.
The location for the listening session was original; a former monastery in the middle of the Amsterdam red light district. In the alley where it was there were women behind windows on the left and a doorman to let you in on the right. If you didn’t know where it was you would have walked past it.
Right after entering a girl from the record company shoves a contract under everyone’s noses in which we have to promise we won’t publish anything about the album till 13 April. Apparently there was some excitement/trouble after the review from a previous listening session in London was put on-line. A shame.
At the bottom of the stairs we enter the hall from the picture above. Imagine some chandeliers with burning candles, three speaker-towers/stacks with flat screen monitors showing all video’s and a couple of white couches from the lounge era (late 90’s). Nobody eats the French bread, tapenade, nuts, coleslaw and other treats.
After 30 minutes of drinking and socialising drummer Danny Carey, who has been walking around all evening with a beer in his hand, enters with a cd in his hands. The visitors all get wireless headphones and are allowed to enjoy on the couches. Danny Carey says ‘eet smakelijk’ (enjoy your meal) and wishes us fun. He walks to the vip area with bass player Justin Chancellor. Maynard doesn’t show himself.
We are spoiled during the listening session, the waitresses give us many warm and cold snacks, so we don’t have to get up during listening. It’s almost a silent disco, more than 30 people nod their heads to the beat, occasionally disturbed by the sound of breaking glass. Afterwards Maynard, wearing a cowboy hat, walks into the hall and is handed a microphone. Everyone takes off their headphones in a reflex, but you needed those to hear the singer. “ Thank you for you time and your patience, and now go away!”
Justin and Maynard disappear immediately afterwards, Danny takes his times to answer some questions and sign some booklets. According to the colossal drummer the band will be playing besides at Pinkpop in the HMH (the Heineken music hall, a venue in Amsterdam). Probably in the same week as Pinkpop or in the last week of June. There is no more time; We are kicked out of the building in a friendly way because there is another listening round for the international press.
Because of the embargo I’ve not been able to say anything about the record itself, but with my notes I can write something here on 13 April. There won’t be promo cd’s before the release of 2 may. The question is whether this approach is useful. A record store employee noted that the arctic monkeys leaked songs on purpose and their album is very successful. And even if I keep my mouth shut, there will probably be someone else who will put something online about the listing session.
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Can't believe they actually made an embargo! So, it's official. No information until April 13th, and it's going to be released on May 2nd!
:D
JamJar
02-27-2006, 02:27 PM
****! European tour dates announced! *Dies!*
EDIT - If it's an 18+ gig in London, I actually will die.
Moses
02-27-2006, 02:58 PM
I swear I'll see Tool this time around, I must. First I have to wait for the American tour dates.
Esoteric_Creator
02-27-2006, 03:58 PM
I grew up a Christian, but when I decided to stop "obeying", and to start learning I strayed from "the path". I regret nothing..
I believe that the bible is a very important ecyclopedia in that it's stories were meant to teach a leasson, but people are too busy taking the stories as history and credibility, and learning nothing..
Jesus was an enlightened man, just like Mohummad and Buddha, and had lesson to evolve all of our consciousness, yet people were so hell bent on finding their messiah that they turned him into a Christ. So, then his disciples chronicled his life, rather than his teachings, and furthered the mythology of the Christ. Now his teaching are nothing what they used to be due to peoples will of twisting meanings, and true knowledge seems that much farther away..
So, I guess you can take I'm not Christian anymore. I do believe in God, and I believe that God is in each and everyone of us. That it is up to us to discover who God is (finding out Inner God), and create, progress, and evolve. In doing this can we ourselves become "Gods who walk among men" and become One Consciousness..
I don't know what to catagorize myself as though, but I like to call myself a Student of Esoterica..
***
That is f*cking awesome news Incubliss! Thanks for the update!
incubliss
02-27-2006, 04:08 PM
No probs, thank the guys at Toolshed for the hard work. Apparently there was a new Tool logo aswell. Can't wait for April 13th now! Hope it aint a Friday!
clearvision
02-27-2006, 04:36 PM
1 date at the hammersmith are they having a f'cking joke?
Plus imma be mighty angry if it's 18+.
Annnnnd the sunday is free for tool @ download. :mad:
But august is still open for reading, though they will be in america most likeley.
Well done tool :rolleyes:
JamJar
02-27-2006, 04:56 PM
Although Reading wasn't mentioned on the tour schedule, It would be nice if they went, anyone know any updates on this?
BlindWriting
02-27-2006, 05:33 PM
Awesome, thanks for that post, Incubliss.
However...:
Apparently there was some excitement/trouble after the review from a previous listening session in London was put on-line. A shame.
Might you know where to find that one?
EDIT:
Nevermind. Found it.
I just read Andy King's review of the album (crudly written but to the point). He rarely gets specific with the songs, but we get some good, tasty info.
I seriously cannot wait. Holy crap it sounds good.
incubliss
02-27-2006, 07:02 PM
5/26 - Lisbon, Portugal / Superrock Festival
5/27 - Madrid, Spain / Festimad
5/29 - Barcelona, Spain / Razzmatazz
5/30 - Lyon, France / Transbordeur
5/31 - Luxembourg City, Luxembourg / Rockhal
6/2 - Germany / Rock AM Ring
6/3 - Germany / Rock IM Park
6/4 - Landgraaf, Holland / Pink Pop Festival
6/6 - Hamburg, Germany / Sporthalle
6/7 - Berlin, Germany / Columbiahalle
6/8 - Dusseldorf, Germany / Philipshalle
6/11 - Glasgow, Scotland / Academy
6/13 - Hammersmith, UK / Apollo
6/14 - Hammersmith, UK / Apollo
6/16 - Switzerland / Interlaken Festival
6/17 - Vienna, Austria / Nova Rock Festival
6/19 - Milan, Italy / Filaforum
6/21 - Rome, Italy / Foro Italico
6/22 - Bologna, Italy / L R Arena
6/24 - Poland / Katowice Spodek
6/25 - Prague, Czech Republic / T Mobile Arena
6/27 - Amsterdam, Netherlands / HMH
6/28 - Paris, France / Le Zenith
6/29 - Belgium / Werchter Festival
7/1 - Denmark / Roskilde Festival
7/4 - Kristiansand, Norway / Quart Festival
7/7 - Gothenburg, Sweden / Metal Town Festival
7/9 - Finland / Turku Festival
:D:D:D
Adam Jones is GOD
02-27-2006, 07:12 PM
/books time off work for the 13th June :) :)
And how come you've got it listed as 13th and 14th, but on the site its only the 13th?
If its a 2 night gig, ill try for both like the greed git I am
Spiritofmosa
02-27-2006, 11:18 PM
'According to both Tower Records Japan and HMV Japan, the new TOOL album is scheduled for release in Japan on May 10. However, the band and their label have yet to confirm this information or announce a release date for any of the other territories. '
could someone please enlighten me why japan always gets the bonus dvds and early release dates
horseman
02-28-2006, 12:51 AM
isnt that date later by like 8 days?
Det_Nosnip
02-28-2006, 01:09 AM
Yes, but see that's 10 days EARLIER in Japanese time. ;)
Spiritofmosa
02-28-2006, 03:11 AM
explain this (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y98/cigaro88/untitled.jpg) !!
nowitzki
02-28-2006, 04:28 AM
/books time off work for the 13th June :) :)
And how come you've got it listed as 13th and 14th, but on the site its only the 13th?
If its a 2 night gig, ill try for both like the greed git I am
I doubt I'll be able to afford 2 nights, but I'll try and make one for sure. Those dates leave a nice gap for Download on the 9th or 10th as well.
incubliss
02-28-2006, 08:37 AM
You guys all gonna goto the London show then? See you there!
could someone please enlighten me why japan always gets the bonus dvds and early release dates
Because all males love Japanese girls. Think of it this way.
British girl: thank you Matt Bellamy for the album
Japanese girl: I love you Matt Bellamy, you gave us extra songs! Here is my virginity for you!
I reckon anyway.
Kurrpt
02-28-2006, 08:42 AM
apparently this thread needs to hit ROCK bottom before it will get better :lol:
incubliss
02-28-2006, 09:00 AM
Awesome, thanks for that post, Incubliss.
However...:
Might you know where to find that one?
EDIT:
Nevermind. Found it.
I just read Andy King's review of the album (crudly written but to the point). He rarely gets specific with the songs, but we get some good, tasty info.
I seriously cannot wait. Holy crap it sounds good.
I'm thinking you probably found the piss up someone made on the Toolshed forums? As the original was taken down almost immediately.
JamJar
02-28-2006, 11:08 AM
/books time off work for the 13th June :) :)
And how come you've got it listed as 13th and 14th, but on the site its only the 13th?
If its a 2 night gig, ill try for both like the greed git I am
When it was first put up on Toolband it was two nights but it might of been an error as the second night was then taken off of the website about 45 minutes later.
Danny Carey is GOD
02-28-2006, 02:48 PM
Hmmm, CONCERT TICKETS?
I never usally buy em, but im deffo goin to hammersmith !!
Whats the process for buying tickets? when you reckon we will know etc?
Prince of Darkness
02-28-2006, 03:13 PM
I'm ordering it on Amazon definatly.
nowitzki
02-28-2006, 04:20 PM
Hell yes, Tool confirmed to headline Friday at Download.
http://www.downloadfestival.co.uk/lineup/index.asp
clearvision
02-28-2006, 04:27 PM
I want to die.
/waits for Ben to come and gloat.
F'ucking exams. That lineup now looks good.
I'm stuck with Franz ferdinand, muse and pearl f'ucking jam.
misunderstood
02-28-2006, 05:28 PM
So I just found this on another board. Looks like maybe this just might be the actual track list..and self-titled album:
http://www.speleorovers.org/fourtheye/Self-Titled.jpg
Darkness
02-28-2006, 05:33 PM
So I just found this on another board. Looks like maybe this just might be the actual track list..and self-titled album:
http://www.speleorovers.org/fourtheye/Self-Titled.jpg
Holy crap! Good find!
Prince of Darkness
02-28-2006, 05:55 PM
Fuk all you people going to Download. Fuk you.
aha!That track listing looks legit and Self-titled...hmmm
Darkness
02-28-2006, 06:03 PM
I kinda hope it's not self titled... that would be kinda weak, I want a sweet new title.
Syncratic
02-28-2006, 06:12 PM
Looks legit.....although they may just be protecting the title's identity..........same with the track titles.
There are good fakes out there.
misunderstood
02-28-2006, 06:19 PM
^yeah, that's what I thought too. And maybe it really just is a way to prevent any 'real' information from spilling. Who knows but if what's on there is true, we should be getting a single on March 21st or around that time!
omgwtfboogie
02-28-2006, 07:15 PM
Parts of that picture look Photoshopped.
I want to believe it, but I just don't know if I can.
Cool find, though.
NP: Aenima...ahh, I can't wait for the new album.
jamesclelland
02-28-2006, 07:17 PM
i wont jump to conclusions but i will keep a copy of that and definatly compare notes when everything is announced.
incubliss
02-28-2006, 07:24 PM
That letter was fake, it was proven on Toolshed. You guys should read that site.
Aldaraia is the most plausible album name yet. Most people haven't actually disbanded that one yet, but that one up there was straight away.
BlindWriting
02-28-2006, 08:05 PM
So I just found this on another board. Looks like maybe this just might be the actual track list..and self-titled album:
http://www.speleorovers.org/fourtheye/Self-Titled.jpg
Interesting.
Here's the thing, Andy King said that a heavy, seventeen-minute song was the third track. On that list, L.K. is track three.
The titles could still be fake, of course. A few of the song names are actually rather weak, and I wouldn't be surprised if those weren't the real ones.
EDIT:
That letter was fake, it was proven on Toolshed. You guys should read that site.
Aldaraia is the most plausible album name yet. Most people haven't actually disbanded that one yet, but that one up there was straight away.
My bad. Righty-o then.
Rounder
02-28-2006, 08:30 PM
i guess ima have to avoid this thread til the album comes out. No one can seem to resist spoiling it.
Seeing a tracklist only heightens anticipation...I don't see how it will spoil the album.
Darkness
02-28-2006, 09:23 PM
A tracklist isn't spoiling, someone downloading a leak then talking about here is spoiling.
Det_Nosnip
02-28-2006, 09:59 PM
Here's the thing, Andy King said that a heavy, seventeen-minute song was the third track.
:amaze:
Adam Jones is GOD
03-01-2006, 05:13 AM
I want to die.
/waits for Ben to come and gloat.
F'ucking exams. That lineup now looks good.
I'm stuck with Franz ferdinand, muse and pearl f'ucking jam.
Must....resist...urge
Thats 2 lots of Tool in the space of a few days :) And headlining download >>>>>>>>>> 2nd slot at Reading. That means full light show, longer set, and possibly video screens.
Time to grab me a day ticket. Now pray Deftones play the Friday and im set.
Edit: Although im slightly confused when checking toolband, the London date has been removed. Hopefully thats due to not being fully confirmed yet.
JamJar
03-01-2006, 12:28 PM
I'm really urged to go to both the festival date and the London date (Though only going on the Friday seems more plausible.) It would be great to experience them playing both an amazing festival set and an intimate club set within a couple of days.
Edit: ^ Yeah, i noticed that aswell. They would be infinitely stupid if they didin't do any gigs in the UK (with exception of Download) I hope that they're still going to happen. (Especially is there are two nights at London which could mean seeing Tool 3 times in the space of 5 days :))
clearvision
03-01-2006, 01:32 PM
Deftones will not play friday, you can't have it all /cries.
If you look on toolband now, the london dates have dissapeared :-/
Futuro
03-01-2006, 02:10 PM
:amaze:
Haha yeah, Thats what I was thinking.
Tool being heavy = orgasm
Tool being heavy for 17 minutes = 17 minute orgasm!
JamJar
03-01-2006, 02:15 PM
Haha yeah, Thats what I was thinking.
Tool being heavy = orgasm
Tool being heavy for 17 minutes = 17 minute orgasm!
Just looking at track listings (even if they are fake) is getting me so psyched for the new album, and 17 minutes of Tool in one song, an orgasm indeed!
One thing which really worries me is that if Tool release their album is May in the U.S. and there is a huge delay for the European release like there was with the singles.
Spiritofmosa
03-01-2006, 07:40 PM
wtf.. whats up with maynard's site
Darkness
03-01-2006, 07:44 PM
PUSCIFER? :( I want a site just for Maynard, not his lame side project..
Now before we get all into the new album coming out soon, what happened to the Live DVD that was SUPPOST to come out BEFORE the album? :confused:
Spiritofmosa
03-01-2006, 10:06 PM
blabbermouth.net
Britain's Kerrang! magazine (web site) was granted an exclusive listening session to the just-completed, as yet-untitled fourth TOOL album, which is due out May, and has revealed that anyone expecting the Californian quartet to have gone soft with age willl be sorely disappointed. True to form, TOOL's upcoming opus is a 77-minute, 11-song prog-metal odyssey, packed with plenty of eight minute-plus twisted riff-a-thons, odd-tempo polyrhythms and the bands trademark, eerie interludes. It's also arguably their heaviest, most punishing material since their 1993 breakthrough album "Undertow", according to Kerrang!
Det_Nosnip
03-01-2006, 10:18 PM
Haha yeah, Thats what I was thinking.
Tool being heavy = orgasm
Tool being heavy for 17 minutes = 17 minute orgasm!
17 minute orgasm = failure to piss straight for a week!
Wow, excitement is building.
Only about two months till it's released. Never thought it would come.
Killtacular
03-01-2006, 10:22 PM
I think I just splooged a little.
Spiritofmosa
03-01-2006, 10:24 PM
heavy is awsome.. but i hope it wont be a nu-metal album or something
Killtacular
03-01-2006, 10:37 PM
:eek:
I've got a hideous vision of St. Anger in my head now.
Jerzzzey
03-01-2006, 10:39 PM
blabbermouth.net
Britain's Kerrang! magazine (web site) was granted an exclusive listening session to the just-completed, as yet-untitled fourth TOOL album, which is due out May, and has revealed that anyone expecting the Californian quartet to have gone soft with age willl be sorely disappointed. True to form, TOOL's upcoming opus is a 77-minute, 11-song prog-metal odyssey, packed with plenty of eight minute-plus twisted riff-a-thons, odd-tempo polyrhythms and the bands trademark, eerie interludes. It's also arguably their heaviest, most punishing material since their 1993 breakthrough album "Undertow", according to Kerrang!
I have goose bumps.
Darkness
03-01-2006, 10:43 PM
:eek:
I've got a hideous vision of St. Anger in my head now.
Imagine Dannys snare tuned to hell... *drools*
Adam and Justin in Drop C#...
Maynard... well, I won't get into it.
Futuro
03-01-2006, 11:22 PM
Imagine Dannys snare tuned to hell...Haha he doesn't tune his snare anyway.
Det_Nosnip
03-01-2006, 11:32 PM
Wow, excitement is building.
Only about two months till it's released. Never thought it would come.
Oh, behave! :naughty:
bwnstl
03-02-2006, 01:01 AM
Imagine Dannys snare tuned to hell... *drools*
Adam and Justin in Drop C#...
Maynard... well, I won't get into it.
Haha, instead of a rattling snare hit you get a pop every time. rofl
lost_profits
03-02-2006, 02:45 AM
I have goose bumps.
"It's also arguably their heaviest, most punishing material since their 1993 breakthrough album "Undertow", according to Kerrang!"
I don't have goosebumps... yet.
'Undertow' was barely even heavy or punishing. I always thought of that album as lacking a heavy punch, sounding quite grungy in it's production and general use of chords etc. Lateralus is far denser, far more punishing. Kerrang knows **** all about metal music and this confirms it. I'd agree if they said the lyrical content was punishing and heavy in Undertow, but the music... na.
incubliss
03-02-2006, 03:45 AM
I had a huge smile across my face reading that article. I walked about a mile in the snow to our local Tesco to read that. No ****ing way was I buying a copy of Kerrang. That magazine is a disgrace.
Anyway, in the picture Justin is wearing a yourcodenameis:milo t-shirt and Danny is wearing an Isis t-shirt. Possible support acts?
Adam Jones is GOD
03-02-2006, 05:03 AM
^^Either would be cool
I dont believe anything Kerrang says about anything. This is the magazine that gave St Anger 4 Ks for being Metallicas heaviest work yet, and APC's 13th Step a 3 K for being too boring
But its nice to see similarities of the good stuff in all the reviews so far.
Werny
03-02-2006, 05:24 AM
So I just found this on another board. Looks like maybe this just might be the actual track list..and self-titled album:
http://www.speleorovers.org/fourtheye/Self-Titled.jpg
Luminesce Kaon... LK! Whoever made that must pay damn good attention to detail... well, I guess it could be the real thing. "Idiosyncratic" sounds a bit untoolish but the rest works.
Spiritofmosa
03-02-2006, 07:46 AM
"It's also arguably their heaviest, most punishing material since their 1993 breakthrough album "Undertow", according to Kerrang!"
I don't have goosebumps... yet.
'Undertow' was barely even heavy or punishing. I always thought of that album as lacking a heavy punch, sounding quite grungy in it's production and general use of chords etc. Lateralus is far denser, far more punishing. Kerrang knows **** all about metal music and this confirms it. I'd agree if they said the lyrical content was punishing and heavy in Undertow, but the music... na.
i think the songs form undertow are less progressive compared to lateralus and aenima
YouGottaBeCrazy
03-02-2006, 09:39 AM
I'm happy as long as the album isn't political. Kerrang! doesn't know anything about Tool, though.
Luminesce Kaon... LK! Whoever made that must pay damn good attention to detail... well, I guess it could be the real thing. "Idiosyncratic" sounds a bit untoolish but the rest works.
It's fake. If you want to find a fake tracklisting where the creator paid attention to detail, go look up Aldaraia.
Dimebag Johnny Patton
03-02-2006, 10:49 AM
Anyway, in the picture Justin is wearing a yourcodenameis:milo t-shirt and Danny is wearing an Isis t-shirt. Possible support acts?
I'd rather like to see ISIS than yourcodenameis:milo.
I haven't been very active in this thread but Tool is one of my favorite bands if not THE favorite band so I'm super excited for the new album and a 17-minute orgasm.