Tool

[jamesclelland]

This the New years bash i was reading about? I dont know, since its a US only thing everytime (anger here over the other side of the pond)

But the Melvins alone is good enough for me

Not even all of america, just seattle. cant go to the new years eve one though, only 20. going the 30th though.

[davelanger]

Its really sad tapeworm never materialized, i really wanted to hear what Maynard and Trent did together.

[jamesclelland]

have you heard the apc cover of vacant? good, good stuff.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Its really sad tapeworm never materialized, i really wanted to hear what Maynard and Trent did together.

I think Fast Finges has some Tapeworm stuff that APC covered around. And of course, Vacant on eMOTIVE is the better part of that album

[Quebec]

On toolband.com, in the news section, theres a sub-section caller 15 minutes. Anyone knows whats the purpose of this sub-section?

[x the patient x6]

i dont really know, i tried hitting TAB to see if there were some hidden links like on that meat thing, but there werent, so, i am still confused

however, if you want a confusing band site, the Radiohead one is by far the most confusing...ok later

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

Yeah...I don't get Radioheads...

[Adam Jones is GOD]

On toolband.com, in the news section, theres a sub-section caller 15 minutes. Anyone knows whats the purpose of this sub-section?

It shows a picture of someone/something each time yes? These are random people half the time, and buy putting them up on tool's website, they get their 15 minutes of fame. Hence 15 minutes.

Least i think thats what it is

[x the patient x6]

It shows a picture of someone/something each time yes? These are random people half the time, and buy putting them up on tool's website, they get their 15 minutes of fame. Hence 15 minutes.

Least i think thats what it is


that seems to first guess and basic for Tool...which is even more confusing

[Adam Jones is GOD]

remeber, the site is run by Blair. he isnt that big on hiding/double meanings, etc. however, there are still hidden elements in the site to keep the tool spirit alive

[jamesclelland]

if you read his newsletters there is secret meanings. he hints at them so you'll get them, but he tries without leaving everyone in the dark.

[Joelbassman]

have you heard the apc cover of vacant? good, good stuff.
I downloaded that but it titled it as Perfect Enemy by apc and its live so unless they played at a concert before eMOTIVES release I do not know... :confused:

[STP]

I`ll make my first post by saying Tool is the best pure rock band today.
Hello :wave:

[Phunphone]

Hi. Please don't attack me if these questions have already been answered on here. Just let me know and I'll find them myself.

- When and why did Maynard start using the name 'Maynard'?

- If you think he was molested, which I do, who do you think did it?

- I read on the Tool faq's on their site that Maynard has said in the past that he didn't like his stepfather. Anyone know anymore about that?

- How long was he involved with the mother of his son?

- Do you know anything about his current girlfriend?

Thanks! :p

Even though Tool is certainly not one of my favourite bands, I'm a fan of Maynard himself. He's one of my favourite singers. Here is some informaiton that I've found on him that might answer some of these questions:

Maynard's first wife was Jennifer Brena Furgeson. That's where the song "Brena" comes from (APC, Mer de Noms).

And here is another little information that I didn't see mentioned in the forums. (well, maybe it was.. but I didn't see it). Maynard's mother was Turkish. She and George Keenan got married. And, James and Lara were born. Now, this might prove that the "stepfather" thing is just wrong. Because Maynard's parents are still living in Turkey. I even know the town they live in. I'm sure that this information is %99 true. I was able to know this because, simply, I'm Turkish. I got this information from a book which has nothing to do with Tool. But I'm pretty sure about this.

About Maynard's second wife: She's also Turkish... that's all I know.

[jensmatty]

It shows a picture of someone/something each time yes? These are random people half the time, and buy putting them up on tool's website, they get their 15 minutes of fame. Hence 15 minutes.

Hence the quote "In the future, everybody will have 15 minutes of fame." - A. Warhol" that you can see when you highlight the entire page.

[Magicaltroll]

i just read the article again, and he says that justion had "lightning fast" basslines....
that is going to be very weird because.... i dont really kow hwy i just think it will be.

but i hope they do put a clipn of their new song/s up because that would make my christmas!
but yeah i just cant wait till the album comes out.

and the release date was 2005- Spring right? or was it Summer? :confused:

[Bumpy]

Even though Tool is certainly not one of my favourite bands, I'm a fan of Maynard himself. He's one of my favourite singers. Here is some informaiton that I've found on him that might answer some of these questions:

Maynard's first wife was Jennifer Brena Furgeson. That's where the song "Brena" comes from (APC, Mer de Noms).

And here is another little information that I didn't see mentioned in the forums. (well, maybe it was.. but I didn't see it). Maynard's mother was Turkish. She and George Keenan got married. And, James and Lara were born. Now, this might prove that the "stepfather" thing is just wrong. Because Maynard's parents are still living in Turkey. I even know the town they live in. I'm sure that this information is %99 true. I was able to know this because, simply, I'm Turkish. I got this information from a book which has nothing to do with Tool. But I'm pretty sure about this.

About Maynard's second wife: She's also Turkish... that's all I know.
Thanks so much for the information. I didn't know he was married before. It's impossible to find any info on him on the net. I know cause I've tried. If you 'learn' anymore about him, please share. :thumb:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

As much as a tool fan I am, i've neverbeen a massive MJK fan myself. (although shouting out 'You're a god! and getting a thumbs up at an APC concert goes against that)

i dont know why, there is just something about some of his view and double meanings that I find annoying. I love his lyrics, voice,etc, but his view points I tend to diagree with most of the time.

Random MJK fact to add to the family thing (though the regulars here will know it im sure), Judith was named after MJK mother, now sadly deceased.

And SFK, you may have put me one step closer to a great Christams present. Ill (pointlessly) rep your next post here as thanks

[The JoZ]

...I have never once heard anything about Maynard/Maynard's family and Turkey, ever.

His bio says something about growing up in like Michigan or something? :confused:

[ThirteenthStep]

i havent been here in months and am too lazy to read the many many pages that have been written...so any important news or any news at all about new tool material?? i read the jellybean article at toolband.com but thats it

[Phunphone]

...I have never once heard anything about Maynard/Maynard's family and Turkey, ever.

His bio says something about growing up in like Michigan or something? :confused:

True. Me neither, well, in the internet. He DID grew up in Michigan, so, this means their family directly moved to Michigan. Therefore, Maynard never grew up in Turkey. The thing that confuses me is, why Maynard himself never mentioned his family roots... well, maybe because it is unimportant (which I respect). And that'd easily prevent this information from being all over the internet.
It may still not seem logical, but.. just trust me. There was a family tree in the end of the book, and at the very bottom, it said: "Maynard James Keenan- The lead singer of an American metal band "Tool"." And then, there was this little info. I would scan the book if I had it... it was actually one of my friends who showed me this.

[Sleeper]

Anyone find a really good lateralus bass tab. The ones of mx tabs arent very good and i sure as hell aint gonna tab it.

[jamesclelland]

Anyone find a really good lateralus bass tab. The ones of mx tabs arent very good and i sure as hell aint gonna tab it.

www.tooltabs.net the guy nolan venhola and his friends opened the website i've yet to find a crappy tab from him.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I question their Aenima tab. Apart from that, every tool tab I use has come from there

[jamesclelland]

did you hear the rumor that nolan was possibly adam jones. it was all bs but could you imagine getting an e-mail like that.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

To: Adam Jones is GOD
From: Adam Jones
RE: Guitar

So you dont think my tab is correct then? Right, im never bringing tool to England again!
But thanks for the God reference







Yeah, that would be weird/cool

[TheMachineRagesOn]

NEVER BRINGING TOOL TO ENGLAND AGAIN


i dont know that sounds pretty *** to me

sorry


On the topic of tool, looking forward to the new album (oversaid and obvious ) but still im very excited so far..


and i want those jelly beans

[kcuFdniM]

Ok guys, here is your "Official" Tool thread. Anything Tool related belongs here, don't create new threads. Also feel free to Discuss A Perfect Circle, Pigmy Love Circus, Zaum, or any other projects the guys from Tool work on. If you post something negative about Tool post up why you think and feel that way. If you post up "Tool Sucks" and don't give your reasoning your not gonna like the consequences.

Ok, lets have some good conversation and everyone enjoy. SFK.





TOOL Music Theory.

This is my attempt to make a decent thread where TOOL fans can come and discuss
What they think TOOL song(s) mean to them, or what message was the band trying to get across.
As the band put it, in an interview, TOOL likes to leave their message hard to grab, they
want you to use your brain. TOOL wants you to make your own meaning of the song, or grasp
what the song means to them.

Im looking for theory/opinion, lyrical/musical breakdown of a song, Please dont spam this thread by writing about how you feel about any certain band member, who best or better, any A Perfect Circle/Tool relations lets try to keep this theory, and theory only. (i.e. Maynard is so cool! Danny is the best! A Perfect Circle is better then TOOL etc etc etc.)

If you are going to post, please no your theory on Aenima, was lame if you are going to post that, please have enough thinking power, to post your own theory if you feel something was incorrect. Intelligence is the key factor for this thread!!! If you are missing a few bolts upstairs, save yourself from the humiliation, and save us the wasted time that we had to use to read your meaningless post. If you are doing a breakdown of a song, please quote lyrics, so everyone can be on the same page. An overview is acceptable also..

Here is an example of what I am looking for.


Album:Opiate
Track: Opiate


I feel this track is being narrated through a pastor/preachers point of view. There is always controversy about if this song is to make you look down, or not believe in Christ. My opinion is the song is talking down about Christ in a sarcastic way

Jesus Christ, why don't you
come save my life.
Open my eyes and blind me
with your light
and your lies.


On top of that Maynard is making fun of religion, by calling a religious person blind, deaf, dumb, & born to follow.


Choices always were a problem for you.
What you need is someone strong to guide you.
Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow,
what you need is someone strong to use you...
like me,
like me.


Meaning Christians, or a religious person cannot guide themselves in their own direction in life, they cant make their own choices to be happy in life, they have to follow someone to have any sense or happiness in their life. Or the metaphor blind, deaf, dumb meaning a person who doesnt see through lies or gimmicks, yet sees millions of other doing it, so he/she follows.


My God's will
becomes me.
When he speaks out,
he speaks through me.
He has needs
like I do.
We both want
to rape you.


Back to how I was saying this song is through a pastors point of view, I feel the needs he speaks of, is money. And raping you would be you sitting there believing lies so he can take all your donation money.


Welp there ya go.. there is a basic outline of "opiate" hope this works out the way I plan... happy posting...

:evil:
Dont spend your whole **** life talking about what it means. just listen

[omgwtfboogie]

i havent been here in months and am too lazy to read the many many pages that have been written...so any important news or any news at all about new tool material?? i read the jellybean article at toolband.com but thats it
The article about the 18 minute song that's supposedly better than anything they've ever made?

:naughty:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Dont spend your whole **** life talking about what it means. just listen

Dont pointlessly quote the first page of this thread just to make a pointless remark like that

[deadohiosky9]

I question their Aenima tab. Apart from that, every tool tab I use has come from there

Yes same here. I think their intro is wrong. I found some other accurate tabs for that song though.

[deadohiosky9]

Dont pointlessly quote the first page of this thread just to make a pointless remark like that

Yes please. That is annoying. And stupid.

[Grey Incision]

so is double posting :rolleyes:

but no way near as annoying as that bloke back there

[Syncratic]

Dont spend your whole **** life talking about what it means. just listen

Don't be a douche, and open your mind.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Yes same here. I think their intro is wrong. I found some other accurate tabs for that song though.

Seriously, I feel very crappy for this, but i can never ever nail the intro at all. I just seem to have rythym issues with it. I thought it was my tone, so I got an acousitc version to listen to (not Tool's, a friend at uni recorded it for me), and I tried acousticly (I thought it was my crappy Marshall MG tone that was the problem), and still cant get it.

What sucks more, is that a band at my local Academy Of Sound is auditioning for a Tool tribute band guitarist, and THATS the audition track :upset: The only (better known) track that i cant get a part of.

As i would (and already do) sound and feel n00bish asking in the guitar forum, I put it to you guys to give me advice. (rep seems like a good reward to the guy/girl* who helps me crack it)


*do we have any girl posters in here by the way? I only know most of you by usernames mainly

[jamesclelland]

the intro is simple, you dont pick(1 exception) all hammer ons and pulls offs for the 2 and 0. when you get to the higher pitch notes, you pick at the same time you pull off the 2. you probably knew that part but i'm just cover all my bases here. the next part is tricky i can do it, it sounds a little off when done with the cd, but alone it will pass. play it like the intro, keep in mind that it's a real screwy time sig. you hammer and pull the first two, pick the next then hammer. do that over and over again. just listen for the "passage up or down" as i call it. the two to four to five is tricky you just have to do it over and over till you get it right. i hope this helped, you gave very valuable advice on stinkfist and i'm hoping to return the favor.

[The JoZ]

I question their Aenima tab. Apart from that, every tool tab I use has come from there

I question their Parabola tabs too.

I learned to play it, except for the low B notes, by ear, and I have never done that octave thing with the E's...

It might be done on guitar, but I really don't think it needs to be done on bass. You can play it just fine without it.

[deadohiosky9]

Seriously, I feel very crappy for this, but i can never ever nail the intro at all. I just seem to have rythym issues with it. I thought it was my tone, so I got an acousitc version to listen to (not Tool's, a friend at uni recorded it for me), and I tried acousticly (I thought it was my crappy Marshall MG tone that was the problem), and still cant get it.

What sucks more, is that a band at my local Academy Of Sound is auditioning for a Tool tribute band guitarist, and THATS the audition track :upset: The only (better known) track that i cant get a part of.

As i would (and already do) sound and feel n00bish asking in the guitar forum, I put it to you guys to give me advice. (rep seems like a good reward to the guy/girl* who helps me crack it)


*do we have any girl posters in here by the way? I only know most of you by usernames mainly

Ah lets see. It took me a bit to get the intro. I still don't know if I'm doing it right. I'm playing it mainly by ear. I used to think Adam used some effects on that intro, to make it sounds like that. lol. But I think the best thing is that once you know the notes to play, listen for the rhythm. I don't think there is a specific way to play it. I think it just depends on what is easier for you. I don't know if that helped any. But here is the site that I think had very accurate Aenema tabs. I think he has the intro perfect. See if it helps any. Aenema Tab (http://guitar.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://members.tripod.com/%7ETOOLsmart/aenima.html)

[clearvision]

^ Sounds good to me...

If you post a recording we may be able to help :thumb:

I dont have a problem with playing it tool tabs way. I just use my fretting hand for the bottom notes...then play the open strings with my pick, works for me.

Good luck with the audition if you go, we want recordings if you're in :thumb:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Ah lets see. It took me a bit to get the intro. I still don't know if I'm doing it right. I'm playing it mainly by ear. I used to think Adam used some effects on that intro, to make it sounds like that. lol. But I think the best thing is that once you know the notes to play, listen for the rhythm. I don't think there is a specific way to play it. I think it just depends on what is easier for you. I don't know if that helped any. But here is the site that I think had very accurate Aenema tabs. I think he has the intro perfect. See if it helps any. Aenema Tab (http://guitar.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://members.tripod.com/%7ETOOLsmart/aenima.html)

That one is the easiest to get to grips with by far. I suppose it doesnt matter if its not played using the full power chord, the D string makes it sound good enough with the right tone. Now ill get learning the other parts (the solo part was the first bit I learned, another goosebump one from Adam)

Btw, do you guys use a slide when playing it? I know people say they play it without, but for me it just sounds so much better and closer to the original that way.

And if they are still auditions and I do go, and IF I get in, I will put up some audio. Although after christmas, i might just put up some guitar parts, and you lot can judge them. As long as you all do the same (cough 'SFK put up some of his band's audio' cough)

[deadohiosky9]

That one is the easiest to get to grips with by far. I suppose it doesnt matter if its not played using the full power chord, the D string makes it sound good enough with the right tone. Now ill get learning the other parts (the solo part was the first bit I learned, another goosebump one from Adam)

Btw, do you guys use a slide when playing it? I know people say they play it without, but for me it just sounds so much better and closer to the original that way.

And if they are still auditions and I do go, and IF I get in, I will put up some audio. Although after christmas, i might just put up some guitar parts, and you lot can judge them. As long as you all do the same (cough 'SFK put up some of his band's audio' cough)

In my opinion, the slide sounds waaay better.

[Tune_DownLow Mushok Rocker]

Yes tool love the band and A Perfect Circle if ****in awsome to.

[ThirteenthStep]

Dont spend your whole **** life talking about what it means. just listen

how do u understand anything in what u listen? doing that u mite as well listen to country or pop if u dont understand tool and why there so great, ***

[clearvision]

^You missed his point pal...

He is saying it's music that should be listened to and let you take it as you want...He probably enjoys tools music, but doesn't like the idea of talking about all the meanings. This does go back on what tool's philosophy is, think for yourself. So he does have a point...

Heh i downloaded Rage's S/T album the other day, you can just pick maynards scream rigth out of know your enemy, it's unmistakable. Like his screams from opiate/undertow.

[jamesclelland]

nothing beats maynard screaming **** YOUR GOD!

[back to the front]

Tool continues to own me.

[Big Balls Ben]

Hey does anyone have a copy of the text inside the Aenima CD case, I used to have it, but I lost it, and now I need it. Can anyone help me out?

[Big Balls Ben]

anyone?

[EonBlueApocalypse]

^You missed his point pal...

He is saying it's music that should be listened to and let you take it as you want...He probably enjoys tools music, but doesn't like the idea of talking about all the meanings. This does go back on what tool's philosophy is, think for yourself. So he does have a point...

Heh i downloaded Rage's S/T album the other day, you can just pick maynards scream rigth out of know your enemy, it's unmistakable. Like his screams from opiate/undertow.

thats maynard?

[Lateralias]

thats maynard?

Yup yup, listening to it now actually....

[EonBlueApocalypse]

Yup yup, listening to it now actually....

zing!

that went over my head everytime i listened to that song until now.

[G_Mac07]

This is also sung by Maynard in Know Your Enemy, but you probably all already knew this

I've got no patience now
So sick of complacence now
I've got no patience now
So sick of complacence now
Sick of, sick of, sick of, sick of you
Time has come to pay...


Apparently he appears in a few other RATM songs, but I don't know which songs they are.

[Dacama]

I like tool, but the fans are morons and elitists. I'm pretty sure Tool hate some of their fans too, as you can see in songs like Ticks and Leeches and Hooker with a *****.

Go read some more at http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2558 for TOOL fans. They really are a joke (only talking about hardcore Tool fans) and this article http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=1829

[Otherside]

You do know that whole site is a parody site... right?

[Lateralias]

I like tool, but the fans are morons and elitists. I'm pretty sure Tool hate some of their fans too, as you can see in songs like Ticks and Leeches and Hooker with a *****.

Go read some more at http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2558 for TOOL fans. They really are a joke (only talking about hardcore Tool fans) and this article http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=1829

HWAP is about a kid who called Tool a bunch of sellouts, not really aimed to offend Tool "fans" if you ask me...

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Apparently he appears in a few other RATM songs, but I don't know which songs they are.

Tool and RATM did a whole song together once (minus some tool members, think it was Adam) called 'Revolution' I think, I may have the file on my cpu on here somewhere. if i can find it, ill send it to people, like a christmas gift. But dont hold me to that

And someone should compile a lsit of songs MJK has been part of, and see if they get them all

[Lateralias]

Tool and RATM did a whole song together once (minus some tool members, think it was Adam) called 'Revolution' I think, I may have the file on my cpu on here somewhere. if i can find it, ill send it to people, like a christmas gift. But dont hold me to that

And someone should compile a lsit of songs MJK has been part of, and see if they get them all

Yes, Revolution features RATM and some Tool, Maynard and Zach De LaRocha switch off vocal lines...
Maynard was also in Deftone's "Passenger", and RATM's "Know Your Enemy".

[Dancin' Man]

nothing beats maynard screaming **** YOUR GOD!

Billy screams it.

[jamesclelland]

have you seen them live, maynard screams it man, sorry man.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Billy screamed it when I saw them. And in some edited instances, it's Fake your god.

Which loses its effect a bit

[Phunphone]

have you seen them live, maynard screams it man, sorry man.

I have the video of them playing live at Conan, they both scream it at the same time. Maybe it changes...

[Dancin' Man]

The live stuff I've seen, Billy did it and on the album it sounds more like Billy than Maynard.

[TheSubtleArts]

I have the video of them playing live at Conan, they both scream it at the same time. Maybe it changes...

yea i saw a video of them live and the both were screaming it. but i think billy did it on the album.

[alcoholocaust]

Has anyone tried out that recipe from Aenima yet?

[Magicaltroll]

Billy screams it.
i used to think that was maynard too.... actually i still think its maynard everytime i hear it...

[x the patient x6]

Billy is a very good vocalist in his own right though

but on numerous live videos i have seen Billy do it, he also does it in the video directed by David Fincher

but it does sound somewhat like MJK as well

is APC at a level where they could have thier own offical thread? i think if you got all the APC related posts, youd get about 30 pages worth...

i lost my train of thought, goodnight

[x the patient x6]

Has anyone tried out that recipe from Aenima yet?

you get the turkish hash, and ill get the oven preheated to treefitty

[G_Mac07]

Here's a quick list of some stuff Mayard has been involved in, I didn't include live appearances or anything that wasn't intended for an album.

Rage Against the Machine - Know Your Enemy
Rage Against the Machine - Revolution
Deftones - Passenger
Puscifer - Rev 22:20 (appears on underworld soundtrack)
Titannica - *** Kickin Fat Kid (This is a fake band, featuring Anthrax guitarist Scott Ian and ex-Hole/Motley Crue drummer Samantha Maloney. This song was supposed to appear in a Run Ronnie Run soundtrack, but it never happened)
Love Jones - Santa Monica and Orange (Maynard sings for about 45 seconds)

More info/side project can be found at
http://www.epinions.com/content_3460604036

[Grateful Undead starring Jerry]

Hey, would it be a bad idea if I posted a new thread on the "Holy Gift" ?

[G_Mac07]

I would suggest reading this

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136377&highlight=lateralus+alternate+track+order

Making a new thread will probably just result in you being flamed for making a second thread regarding Tool. If you do however, after reading the old thread, still feel as though you need to make the new thread, I won't complain.

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

send me the revolution pulkpullrevolvingdoors@gmail.com

thanks!

[Magicaltroll]

I would suggest reading this

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.phpt=136377&highlight=alternate+track+order

Making a new thread will probably just result in you being flamed for making a second thread regarding Tool. If you do however, after reading the old thread, still feel as though you need to make the new thread, I won't complain.
the link didnt work.....

[G_Mac07]

Link Fixed:thumb:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Here's a quick list of some stuff Mayard has been involved in, I didn't include live appearances or anything that wasn't intended for an album.

Rage Against the Machine - Know Your Enemy
Rage Against the Machine - Revolution
Deftones - Passenger
Puscifer - Rev 22:20 (appears on underworld soundtrack)
Titannica - *** Kickin Fat Kid (This is a fake band, featuring Anthrax guitarist Scott Ian and ex-Hole/Motley Crue drummer Samantha Maloney. This song was supposed to appear in a Run Ronnie Run soundtrack, but it never happened)
Love Jones - Santa Monica and Orange (Maynard sings for about 45 seconds)

More info/side project can be found at
http://www.epinions.com/content_3460604036

Missed one of my favourite ones. Bring Me the Disco King was on Underworld too, and was the dream line up of MJK, David Bowie and John Frushante.

But thats as many as i could think of too.

[G_Mac07]

^ yes that was something that I left out. I read about it somewhere, and it said that Maynard had written lyrics for it, but it did not state that he actually appeared in the song. From the way it was written, I interpreted it as though he wrote and David Bowie sang. Thanks for clearing that up.

EDIT: if anyone has *** Kickin Fat Kid or REV 22:20, would there be any chance you could send me them? thanks if you can

g mac07mx
gregs_new_address@hot...

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Yeah, its a Bowie song, he performs it live a lot. MJK sang the backing vocals, and Bowie sent over the song to the US, where John put down the guitar parts and MJK the vocals. I dont think the 3 ever met in person to record it.

[G_Mac07]

Well it seems as though Maynards pretty used to this writing/recording without meeting business

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Yeah, he's got it down to a science now. He seems to be one of the few people who can get away with it.

And im halfway through sending you the Underworld song, but not sure if Gmail is being nice to me today or not

[Dancin' Man]

peter.mchugh@gmail.com

I'd like it too.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

peter.mchugh@gmail.com

I'd like it too.

Sending now. Couldnt find the 'Revolution' track in the end, I think it must be on my friends computer. this I hope will compensate

[The JoZ]

REV 22:20 was an interesting song. Very low key from what I remember...

Would anyone else just totally kill to have Maynard do vocals/guest vocals on an album of yours? Oh man that would be orgasmic :thumb:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

It kicked in great at the end section, when MJK sings the 'what is she waiting for..' line.

I would be offering my first born in an effort to get him to peform with me on any level on a iece of music, though I would feel bad about being well below the usual quality he works with. I think Billy would be a more realistic ambition

[The JoZ]

It kicked in great at the end section, when MJK sings the 'what is she waiting for..' line.

It's been a while since I've heard the song, so :thumb:

I would be offering my first born in an effort to get him to peform with me on any level on a iece of music, though I would feel bad about being well below the usual quality he works with. I think Billy would be a more realistic ambition

I don't know, something about Billy strikes me as meh. Like I wouldn't want to work with him for some reason.

I'd make a sacrifice to work with anyone from Tool, really.

[ticks_&_leeches]

myself, as well as thousands of tool fans are asking these questions. Whats going on in the world of tool? when will the new album hit stores?? When will there be another tour??? I've heard rumor after rumor so I'm still a bit blah about the whole thing. If anyone has any true info let us know!!! The world sucks w/o Tool.

[Druumer89]

yeah i agree ive been waiting for a new ablum since lateralus was released does anyone have any idea on the date for tools new album. The owner of a drum shop i go to knows danny carey (near careys hometown) and the way he talks the new album will be much harder than the previous aenima and lateralus...does anyone else know how it will be?

[Lateralias]

yeah i agree ive been waiting for a new ablum since lateralus was released does anyone have any idea on the date for tools new album. The owner of a drum shop i go to knows danny carey (near careys hometown) and the way he talks the new album will be much harder than the previous aenima and lateralus...does anyone else know how it will be?

Yeah, it will be harder than Lateralus, the band said so... with influences like Meshuggah from their tour with them, maybe you can expect some major heaviness, either way, I have no doubt Tool will blow me away with the next release.

[ThrashHead]

I just read in a forum that Tool was releasing a new cd 2005, has Tool got a new singer, or is Maynard still with Tool?

[Iron Man]

I just read in a forum that Tool was releasing a new cd 2005, has Tool got a new singer, or is Maynard still with Tool?

Maynard is the brains behind Tool, IMO. As talented as the other members are, I think if one member left they would fall apart.

So I highly doubt it.

[Druumer89]

yeah i agree and yes maynard is still with tool. the perfect circle tour is over so he is back working with tool again

[Druumer89]

out of all of the tool songs what is your guys's absolute favorite song...mine would have to be the salival version of pu****..PURE BRILLANCE the aenima version is very good also.

[ThrashHead]

I like forty-six and two

And thanks Iron Man and Druumer89.

[Lateralias]

out of all of the tool songs what is your guys's absolute favorite song...mine would have to be the salival version of pu****..PURE BRILLANCE the aenima version is very good also.

It's always hard picking out your favorite band, I haven't heard one Tool song I dislike so it's difficult for me. I'd roughly have to say Lateralus. I also love Disposition/Reflection/Triad... and for earlier albums... Stinkfist and Third Eye off Aenima, Bottom and Intolerance for Undertow, and for Opiate... Hush and Opiate. See.. it's not easy for me, I had to do album by album picks... :upset:

[Druumer89]

its always difficult picking a favorite tool song..they are all so good imo

[Druumer89]

are any of you not musicains..because i am a drummer and i like tool alot. I got into tool because my drum teacher liked them and they grew on me because of danny careys influence, and i think it would be the same for anyone else with another insturment because i think everyone in the band is influential. I was wondering if any of you dont play insturments and can still appriciate tool just for the music and not for any of the great musical talent or for influence in any kind of way.

[TheShaneOMac]

Man, my favorite Tool songs would have to be stinkfist, forty six & 2, hooker with a *****, lateralus, and parabol/parabola.

[Druumer89]

yeah i forgot about parabol/parabola some of the best music ive ever heard

[Lateralias]

Check out the video for Parabol/a.... very cool and intriguing.

[Druumer89]

is it ever on tv or anything or would you have to buy it somehow

[Lateralias]

is it ever on tv or anything or would you have to buy it somehow

I doubt it would be on MTV or anything.. though they do show Sober and I think Schism sometimes. But I doubt Parabola... you could download it off a p2p file sharing program like Soulseek or Kazaa but if you can't then I don't know where else..

[Druumer89]

I doubt it would be on MTV or anything.. though they do show Sober and I think Schism sometimes. But I doubt Parabola... you could download it off a p2p file sharing program like Soulseek or Kazaa but if you can't then I don't know where else..

ok thanks what other videos do they have out?

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

me=non-musician,and my favorite song is probably Pu**** live.

[Lateralias]

ok thanks what other videos do they have out?

From Lateralus they're is just Schism and Parabol/a, and the Salival DVD has the rest: Stinkfist, Prison Sex, Sober, and Aenima.

[BurtonChancellor]

myself, as well as thousands of tool fans are asking these questions. Whats going on in the world of tool? when will the new album hit stores?? When will there be another tour??? I've heard rumor after rumor so I'm still a bit blah about the whole thing. If anyone has any true info let us know!!! The world sucks w/o Tool.
Just go to Tool's website (http://www.toolband.com). Specifically, the article on the main page that says "what the hell was in those jellybeans"? Forgetting rumours and everything else, that's the only real news that's come out lately.

And the bottom line of that article, is that Tool are still working on their album, and it would still appear that they are planning to release it sometime in 2005. Danny said in another article about 6 months back that they'd release it shortly after Christmas, so it wouldn't get lost in the Christmas rush, but since they're still working on songs, I'm guessing it'll be a while yet. Hopefully no later than March though.

[x the patient x6]

Man, my favorite Tool songs would have to be stinkfist, forty six & 2, hooker with a *****, lateralus, and parabol/parabola.

not to be a negative nancy, and i have nothing against you, because i have no i dea who you are, and i understand you are reltivly new to the forums, and i dont hold that against you, but youre the best recent example i cound find, but...

does anyone care what your (not just you 'TheShaneOMac') favorite songs are? im sure someones going to agree somewhere, and dissagree somewhere else, and then you'll get into some kind of 'technincal' BS conversation about the 'technical aspects' of a song, when in the first place, it wasnt the other persons place to judge an unnecessary list

my, my, you people confuse me, i could set my watch, or rather calender, by you and your 'favorites'

[Tool666]

www.toolband.com At the bands website on the main page, when the brain loads up, put your mouse pointer in the center of the two halves, at the very top, and a picture of the Horus eye with a tear will show up. Click and it takes you to the whole Lachrymology practice of Tool in detail. I'm not sure if everybody knows this, but I just wanted to share it anyway.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I spent a good amount of time searching for all the hidden parts on Tool's web site once I found one of the first hidden links, and even now im still not convinced i've found them all

[TheMachineRagesOn]

hey can anybody here get into toolshed?, for me its been down for a long while so maybe its my comp or its being updated due to the new album..

[Shadius]

Med, you should check out Tool's video's, Parabol/a and Schism are the two from Lateralus. Very interesting stuff; Also if you don't have Ænima I highly recommend buying that album too, it's a little more rough around the edges than Lateralus in places, but it's still amazingly good.

Hell, get their older stuff too.

[G_Mac07]

I spent a good amount of time searching for all the hidden parts on Tool's web site once I found one of the first hidden links, and even now im still not convinced i've found them all

Is there anywhere that we could find a list of all the Hidden stuff there? If someone could make a list or post a link that would be cool.

And I haven't been able to get to Toolshed lately either, but I figure it's just my computer because hotmail isn't working to :upset:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

It works for me...:)

Anyway, I got Lateralus for Christmas, and I just thought I'd let everyone know that I've been absolutely blown away by it. I'm sure that's not going to come as a surprise to all the huge Tool fans in here, but I thought it could be a bit overhyped, and the fact that it's so long meant that it might drag a little, but, of course, it isn't. My favourite song (s) of it is probably Parabol/Parabola, especially with the change in tone midway through, which is absolutely incredible. Listening to it late at night for the first time though, and especially listening to Faaip De Oiad, might not have been the best idea. Is that song actually genuine, or was it recorded for the album? Anyway...great album, great band, and thanks for getting me into them.

*Sniff* Jonny is one of us beautiful people now

Quick run through all what you asked about.

Faaip De Oiad has a wonderful story behind it. (I posted it before, but tis great telling it). A radio station in America recieveda call from an apparent former Area 51 employee, and that is who you hear on the track. He managed to sound very convincing even though he later phoned and stated that it was all a wind up.
However, the interesting part is the moment the trak ends is the same time the radio station, and dozens of others in that part of America went off the air with no explanation why....
As for the music over the top of the speech, this was Danny and co messing about with drum loops and their synth effects.

Video links, I did have a good link a while ago, let me see if i can find it... but MTV2 has recently started showing Tool's Aenima era videos quite a bit on Rated R, (as well as the Bikini Bandits with MJK as the devil...AVOID THAT MOVIE AT ALL COSTS)

Aenima is a very worthy purchase, you will love it from a drummers perspective and the songs in general are amazing. But it is more filler than Lateralus. undertow is let down by poor production, but is still awesome, and Opiate is raw and short, but a must have for fans.

Now hurry up and learn some Danny beats and get back to me soon :lol:

(I could actually do with the drum backing for the Patient at some part, any one know a good backing track site?)

[Kurrpt]

when did you change ur avatar? the patient is prolly my favorite track to date if i had to pick (i dont like doing it)

[Kurrpt]

does anyone know of a better place to get salival on dvd rather than ebay. I waited too long :-(

[Adam Jones is GOD]

when did you change ur avatar? the patient is prolly my favorite track to date if i had to pick (i dont like doing it)

Changed from what? the christmas mage, or one before that?

Its not fair to pick best songs, like i say, different songs for different mood.


(and dammit jonny, why couldnt you have one rep point extra to give out? 1336 is taking-the-piss close to a cool number :p )

And the only other place you could get Salival from other than ebay is Neverland. Trust me

[Kurrpt]

yea that mage you had (FF i think) Yea i dont like to pick, love playin the licks on guitar thats for sure.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Got rid of him since its after christmas now. Ill replace it with my profile one if demand is high enough

[Kurrpt]

dude i try to get my drummer to play danny, he makes excuses all the time

[clearvision]

Woah AJIG has stars..congrats...

IMO aenima is better than Lateralus, so your gonna have fun there med! I got some new headphones for christmas, and there is loadsa weird stuff about on Aenima. Such as the breathing in the title track, It doesn't come through too well on my comp speakers. Gives the album a cool feel. I have a new favourite line...In push!t 'remember i will always love you, as i throw your fcking throat away' how maynard pushes that line out is amazing.

IT's quite funny i have listened to Aenima over 40 times and i'm still finding little bits i love. The 'Real fcuking high' bit in Third eye still makes me laugh :lol:

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

isn't it claw your fvcking throat away? It might just be the live thats like that >_>

[clearvision]

It's only what i hear...maynard (on the aenima verison) actually says...

'Just remember I will always love you,
Even as I tear your fcuking throat away.'

according to toolshed

EDIT:

just checked salival version...

'Remember I will always love you,
As I claw your fcuking throat away.'

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Just as a report by the way guys, I have now nailed the Aenima intro, thanks to your help, although in my true style, I have improv'd parts to my own style, so its not the true tool version on. (mainly the muted part after the intro).

I think ill wait for a week, then you can challenge me to learning another. Hopefully by then I will be able to record audio (anyone know some good software btw?) and you can crit all you want.

[Yppolitia]

I never heard any Tool songs, just wondering if anyone can recommend a gd 2 or 3 songs for me to download that woudl get me into them?!?!?!?!?

[clearvision]

Ahem *kazaa*

Or torrents...then scam a free copy off cool edit pro/adobe audition (same thing, different names), cubase or sonor 3...they are all i can think of right now.

I can kinda play aenima, only casually learning the coolest parts (slide solo...intro). If i'm bored i may grace you all with a recording...complete with my oh so crisp zoom tone (/there is sarcasm there, it might not have come out though!)

[clearvision]

I never heard any Tool songs, just wondering if anyone can recommend a gd 2 or 3 songs for me to download that woudl get me into them?!?!?!?!?

Aenima, Parabola, Schism

[Kurrpt]

you just learned the intro on guitar, i just nailed undertow (song not whole cd ) the way through. also finally got down the patient

[Adam Jones is GOD]

you just learned the intro on guitar, i just nailed undertow (song not whole cd ) the way through. also finally got down the patient

Its been a theme for the last few pages that I could not get that intro. But my current list of tool songs I can play

Schisim
The patient
Jerk Off
Part Of Me
4 Degrees (60% learned)
Stinkfist

Just tone sucks on most of them (marshall MG :angry: ) and I improv too much

[Kurrpt]

schism is easy, what tab do you use for the patient, i found like 4 different ones, and i play parts from the ones i think is close, part of me is real easy i got that one too. I think pu**** is one of the harder ones. I want to learn 4 degrees as well, couldnt find good tab for it though. I have some of lateralus. I want to learn the grudge, but i cant reproduce my favorite part of the song. I have almost all of triad down, but i dont have a hollowed out epilady, so its impossible to "cover" thats madd word though rep+++

[clearvision]

most of the tabs on tooltabs.net are correct. I often use guitar pro files or powertabs to help me with rhythm. I haven't learnt a whole tool song yet, because i loathe drop tunings, but i've started messing round witha few bits and will probably play some in future.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Most of the harder Tool songs are the ones where Justin is leading, and its hard to tell guitar from bass in places (The Grudge), and then of course, the mad effects ones (triad) require some serious creativenes or a £3000 budget for FX pedals.

There are no complete correct tabs for Tool songs, most you need to piece together preferences, but the ones on mx are a good start. Here are a few places I have used

Not bad tabs, good templates (http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/search.php3?ss=tool&location=bands)

The best one, but currently down (http://www.tooltabs.net/)

best tab for the patient I have found (http://www.mxtabs.net/tab_versions.php?path=Guitar,t,1443,Tool,The+Patie nt,103965)

And to clearvison

Unless you have a floyd rose, its not much of a drop tuning, jus tthe top E to D, so it can be done quickly. it also trains your ear to learn what an E and a D sounds like. Plus a few can be done using E tuning (the cover of 'you lied' is a good example)

[Kurrpt]

see i played that version of the patient for a while then i found one i thought was more accurate, let me find it (i actually learned both, i like that song that much)

[Kurrpt]

check this out, tell me what you think

http://www.tooltabs.net/tabs/tool/guitar/lateralus/the_patient.htm

[Kurrpt]

its close, i found another one as well, the part where maynard says "i must keep reminding myself of this" over and over, where adam does those riffs with a bit of pinch harmonics in it, he uses the 5 and 7 frets on the d and g string. I want to go to a show, take a camcorder, zoom in on adam's fingers the whole time, and bootleg the shiznit outta it

[Adam Jones is GOD]

That was the first i used, but this part

e-------------------------------------------------------------
b-------------------------------------------------------------
g-------------------------------------------------------------
d-----10---------------10---------10---------------10---------
a--12----10-12~--10-12----10-12~-----10-12~--10-12----10-12~--
d-------------------------------------------------------------

I play it in the open postion

G ---2---5---0---2 etc....

just personal preference. And the harmonic part I play using the Natural harmonics on the 7th fret

And that part you refer to (I refer to it as the 'solo' part, is personal preference again. I play it like this

e--------------------------------------
b--------------------------------------
g-----------4--5--4-------4--------
d-------2--------------2------2--5
a----0-------------------------------
d--------------------------------------

then shift up an octave, and kick in the wah on the 5th time

[Kurrpt]

what kinda guitar do you use to cover tool, i just use my sg custom (danny actually uses an sg on softer tracks) i was gonna get his silverburst (prolly a '79) but i fell in love with a PRS instead

[Kurrpt]

for part of me, for the intro, do you just bar the 2nd and 10th fretts , or do you play 355. I saw both. I like the 355 power chord better myself

[Kurrpt]

with the 5 7 from the patient i was talking about, when it switches like from the riff you posted to the next one, the dude showed him sliding from the 7th to the 8th fret. I thought it sounded dead on. Plus the tab i had, you know the part with a lot of weird palm mutes at the end, those sounded dead on too, let me see if i can find that tab for ya

[clearvision]

Yeah i can drop down, i just don't like it much...I have a yamaha pacifica 012...a zoom 606 effects board thingy and a crappy 10watt aria amp :upset:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Im stuck with a Squire showmaster at the moment (not all great guitarists have big budgets :upset: ).

And err, danny doesnt play guitar, to corect your typo :p

As for part of me I do the 2nd and 1oth fret bar, it just feels more natural for me to slide around the neck, and I can also manipluate the 9th fret nat harmonics to give it a nice ring when the string muting parts are played.

Any more questions, feel free to ask me at this address

modestmoogle@gmail. com, as this thread is annoying when it gets crowded with conversations

[Kurrpt]

whoops duh that adam duh, i had too many thoughts buzzing around. will do

[Tool666]

Another thing on toolband.com is when you go to the main page, with the news, there is the T.V. in the corner, and you can press he buttons for links and a live pic. Not sure if it's a secret or not.

[Druumer89]

does any one know what danny uses on pu**** like the electronic drum that he uses?

[Uber-Termite]

ernst gan op msn

[KingOfSka]

I've heard alot about tool, but I cant say I've heard any of their songs. Can anybody reccomend some good songs to me?

Also, I'm new and don't know how to quote, can anybody tell me?

[Mister_Che]

Also, I'm new and don't know how to quote, can anybody tell me?

Like this.







j/k, click reply under the post you want to quote. As for songs? Enema (sp?) is a good one.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I've heard alot about tool, but I cant say I've heard any of their songs. Can anybody reccomend some good songs to me?

Also, I'm new and don't know how to quote, can anybody tell me?

Click reply on the message you want to quote. Or click on speech bubble after highlighting text when replying.

Pushit
Aenima
Eulogy
Lateralus
Sober

Try those for a start

[Kurrpt]

well, i love just about everything, POPULAR ones are lateralus, schism (both off new CD) from ænema : ænima, 46 & 2 off undertow : prison sex (awesome video too), im a huge fan of the song undertow, swamp song is good. Off of opiate : part of me (repetitive but great) sweat, if you see the live concert disk (salival) push it live is dope

[Kurrpt]

whats up ADAM JONES IS GOD much love for ya!!!

[ThePatient]

H. also. Favorite bassline right there.

[KingOfSka]

Pushit
Aenima
Eulogy
Lateralus
Sober

Try those for a start

awesome...thanks

[Kurrpt]

yea, if i played bass, id prolly be a lot more into that song, i like the part where hes like "under these tears, the wall came down" i love that part, and the riffs shortly after

[Kurrpt]

for some reason, i never, ever liked sober, and im a huge tool fan. I think msg to harry manback (live version) puts it to shame, but im weird

[Adam Jones is GOD]

for some reason, i never, ever liked sober, and im a huge tool fan. I think msg to harry manback (live version) puts it to shame, but im weird

tis not a live version, its just the bit that was edited out originally.
(and try post editing in this thread if you have more to add, multiple posts take ages to read through, unlike on big post ) :thumb:

[Tool666]

Yeah.. there is only one version of Message to Harry Manback I. There's a Message to Harry Manback II, but thats on Salival, not Ænima. A song that I would recommend is Reflection. Good song.

[Grey Incision]

Yeah.. there is only one version of Message to Harry Manback I. There's a Message to Harry Manback II, but thats on Salival, not Ænima. A song that I would recommend is Reflection. Good song.


i'm glad somebody else mentioned reflection, i thought i was the only person who liked it

[Sleeper]

ok "Forty-six and Two".
great song but wtf does it mean??

i read somewhere that its about humans evolving, leaving our primal ways behind... "stepping through the shadow, coming out the other side". before analysing id like to say that maynard is a big fan of the psychoanalyst, Carl Jung. His theory of the "shadow" is in this song. Jung argued that the shadow is our alter ego.. everything we hate about ourselves, formed into this despicable dark counterpart of our psyche, that we resent in ourselves.

"shadows shedding skin, ive been pickin scabs again.
ive been digging through my old muscles, looking for a clue."

Maynard is saying he is looking through himself, looking at his past and how he has changed, and looking at everything he dislikes in himself, and is now ready to move on. he is saying his shadow is shedding things he used to hate about himself, because he is past all that now and more mature.

"ive been crawlin on my belly, clearing out what could have been.
ive been wallowing in my own confused and, insecure delusions"

talking about the past still, realising how stupid he used to be eg. maynard in the army?? lol. clearing out means forgetting old dreams of a conformed lifestyle.

"For a piece to cross me over, or a word to guide me in.
I wanna feel the changes coming down.
I wanna know what I've been hiding in, my shadow."

for a piece, i think could mean just a piece of inspiration, be it music, art anything. anything to inspire him to take another look at himself, and the world around him. he is saying he is ready to feel the changes, and ready to face everything he has resented and hidden away in his alter ego, his shadow.

now about the forty-six and two bit. apparently, there used to be this guy who believed that there were three different kinds of humans, with different chromosomes. the aboriginals of australia supposedly has less than us, 36 or something. this being determined by their lifestyle and beliefs. the other group i forget now, but us has 42 and 2 i think*. not important anyway because all humans have the same chromosomes (except for people with down syndrome who are either missing one or have an extra one, i forget now.) but, supposedly we were supposed to evolve, and gain more chromosomes, presenting us with new abilities as humans. a nice theory, but all a lot of bull5hit in reality. but hey, it made for a great song and maynard just used it as an example of evolution in ourselves, and the process of 'individualisation'. another one of jungs theories. This song not being specific to that theory, just using it as a guideline to get his message across.

now, the rest of the song is just about maynard being ready to experience the world in a new light, and to be open to everything the world throws at him. "to be paranoid and to lie". he is even ready to face it when the world throws s hit in his face, or he does things he doesnt want to do like lie. you get the idea, and this is again, an opinion i stole from someone else because i otherwise would have had no fu ck ing clue about this song. i recognised the carl jung stuff though, and if you want to understand the title aenima, and the song aenema, research his stuff. very interesting reading. cheers... :thumb:

Yes it is about humans evolving. Its got a tricky meaning behind it has a lot of theorys from fans.

[G_Mac07]

Yeah.. there is only one version of Message to Harry Manback I. There's a Message to Harry Manback II, but thats on Salival, not Ænima. A song that I would recommend is Reflection. Good song.


Reflection is an amazing song, probably one of my favourites. However, it is not generally a song that is good to introduce people to Tool with. Most people won't instantly fall in love with Reflection, they usually will though after they have been listening to Tool on a regular basis for a while.

And can we please stop the posts that ask for introductory songs, this happens almost every page. Search back a couple and you will find what your looking for. Double posting is getting annoying to.

[iRage67]

my dad loves tool
i think there preety **** cool i haven listend alot though...sorry

[jensmatty]

Im p!ssed, I can play several tool songs (drums), slowly learning more, but I dont know any bassists or guitarists who like/are good enough to play Tool, and hell if I'll know any vocalists, let alone any who can sing like maynard. Dont know anyone who are heavily into any of the prog. rock scene. Plus I need a double kick ^-^ it's next on my list...
H. also. Favorite bassline right there.
Drums for H. own, sweet and simple. Awsome ending :D sweet electronics, I just play em on the rims of my toms lol. cant go wrong. As soon as I get electronic pads Im gonna start learning the intro to Eulogy. great co-ordination for that.
And can we please stop the posts that ask for introductory songs, this happens almost every page. Search back a couple and you will find what your looking for. Double posting is getting annoying to.
You're gonna have to say that every page you realise?

[SonorKen]

The beauty of Tool is the majority of thier music is wrote so each person can get thier own opinion as to what it means. I personally took this phylosophy into account when I write music. One of my completed songs is like this. I have yet to have someone tell me what the song is actually about and everyone has thier own opinions. The music I am writing will end up being 5 years in the making, I still have several years worth of work to do before it will be in the infancy stage of recording.

[Grey Incision]

The beauty of Tool is the majority of thier music is wrote so each person can get thier own opinion as to what it means. I personally took this phylosophy into account when I write music. One of my completed songs is like this. I have yet to have someone tell me what the song is actually about and everyone has thier own opinions. The music I am writing will end up being 5 years in the making, I still have several years worth of work to do before it will be in the infancy stage of recording.

you sound a lot like me, although i am guitarist. I barely ever learn any covers by my favourite bands, i'm always writing, when i create music, i look at every aspect or angle i can get on it, then i try it. I try to make music that has an interlocking visual image you know? I have Tool to thank for that, and some Opeth stuff, but mainly Tool. Pity i live in a city where there are virtually null musicians who wish to make this sort of music. hahaha, it'll come.

anyway, post some of the stuff you've done (when you have done it) it'd be awesome to hear.

[G_Mac07]

You're gonna have to say that every page you realise?

I realise that once it is off the first page it is highly likely that nobody new to this thread will read it. However, there seem to be a few new people posting in this thread lately, and hopefully they will read and take note of it, and thus not encourage it.

And SonorKen, it would be nice to hear some of your material, it sounds as though it should be pretty good. Either that or hearing some of your bands covers would be nice. Hopefully we won't have to wait as long as I've been waiting for Tool's next album either:thumb:

[ThePatient]

Im p!ssed, I can play several tool songs (drums), slowly learning more, but I dont know any bassists or guitarists who like/are good enough to play Tool, and hell if I'll know any vocalists, let alone any who can sing like maynard. Dont know anyone who are heavily into any of the prog. rock scene. Plus I need a double kick ^-^ it's next on my list...
I have that same problem, just with guitarists. I have a friend who can play just about any Tool on drums, and I can play all the bass, but I don't know a single person who knows anything on guitar. :angry:

[Tool666]

Originally Posted by Grey Incision
i'm glad somebody else mentioned reflection, i thought i was the only person who liked it

Reflection is one of my favorite songs :thumb:

Originally Posted by G_Mac07
Reflection is an amazing song, probably one of my favourites. However, it is not generally a song that is good to introduce people to Tool with. Most people won't instantly fall in love with Reflection, they usually will though after they have been listening to Tool on a regular basis for a while.

True. Now that you mention it, Reflection shouldn't be recommended as an introdutory song to get someone into listening to Tool , but it shouldn't be forgotten.

[Kurrpt]

to tell you the truth, i think introductory songs are the worst for them, if i had to split hairs. Thats just how my taste is. I rarely listen to a released single of theirs

[Kurrpt]

I have that same problem, just with guitarists. I have a friend who can play just about any Tool on drums, and I can play all the bass, but I don't know a single person who knows anything on guitar. :angry:


where you live, TOOL guitar is like all i played for months

[Tool666]

Yeah. The Drummer in my band can play some Tool songs, and I know just about every song off all their albums on the guitar, so we sometimes play a few Tool songs. But our Bassist can't play ANY Tool songs at all, and as someone else said, I'm not quite sure anyone could measure up to how good Maynard sings.

[jamesclelland]

I have that same problem, just with guitarists. I have a friend who can play just about any Tool on drums, and I can play all the bass, but I don't know a single person who knows anything on guitar. :angry:

i can play almost all of tool's songs on guitar. what i don't know i just havent tried to learn yet. if your a washington stater i would be more than happy to jam.

[jensmatty]

I think the tool fan base in my age group is lacking in australia. I dont know anyone who's enough of a fan, and a musician, to learn their songs. I wanna move to america...

[SonorKen]

I see alot of talk about people playing Tool stuff on drums. I have been playing drums for 20 years, I can play several Tool songs, not all of them, about 10. I dont count it as being able to play a Tool song unless you can play it note for note.

I have seen several drummers boast about being able to play Tool stuff on drums. When I watched them play it they were not even close. Being able to sustain some form of a beat and play some of the fills does not constitute being able to play one of Careys pieces. Most of the songs have multiple odd groupings with complex polyrhythms. Its just not easy to duplicate.

Carey doesn't sit down with the band and pound out these tracks. He writes them note for note. The majority of his time signatures change measure to measure and alot of his time signatures are extremely complex, like 12/8 and 13/8.

The more difficult songs I can play is 46 and 2, Aenema, Schism, Parabola, and Reflection (Im working on this song now). 46 and 2 for example, it changes so much that you basically have to memorize it. I had cheat sheets all over my electronic pads reminding me of signatures.

Thats the other part of it, the electronics. Again, using 46 and 2 as an example. The beginning of the song is played with 2 dominate patterns carrying the rhythm as individual polys, all electronic. You are playing another time signature with your left foot, and you have a kick, tom4, ride ping, tom5, kick on every 4. The solo is incredible. The initial double stroke roll down the toms has to fit inside of the bass line and has to end (I forget what note the bass ends on) at the exact time the bass ends his riff. At the end of the solo you have an 9 and a half count double kick, press roll on 2 seperate toms with a snare hit on 1. You have to time this perfect and only do 9 and a half or the vocals cannot come in and the song collapses in on itself.

Anyway, I love it that Carey inspires so many people to push themselves to new limits. Some easier Tool songs to play is Sober, Hush, Stinkfist, and H.

[jensmatty]

Tell me about it. Carey's freakishly good (Times... some number we dont have a word for), I know the stuff Im playing is nowhere near what Carey plays, but im slowly developing... slowly.

[SonorKen]

Don't develop bad habits when playing his stuff. Listen to it really close. Study it. Listen to several different recordings. I have seen him play live, I have multiple live DVD's and dissect it all. I look at tabs (most of them are wrong) and basically anything I can find on it. When I put together a Carey song I will not play it out live until I feel I am playing it close to 100% correct. Once I accomplish this I have a great feeling of satisfaction.

I am lucky with my band. I am surrounded by outstanding talent. My guitarist, bassist and singer all are professionals. While my vocalists does sound similiar to Maynard, its not Maynard. This is the only part of the equation we falter in. My vocalist is still unreal. I use in-ear monitors and hear everything crystal clear. When he sings Aenema there are certain parts that send chills up my spine.

There are just so many suttle things in this music, its inspiring. For example, I know nothing about guitar. My guitarist has modified a wah pedal to the exact specs of Adams wah pedal. There is ONE spot in Aenema where this is used and he uses it.

I commend you as a drummer Jensmatty for taking Careys work serious and making an effort to learn it.

[TheMachineRagesOn]

Where you from Jensmatty, im in aus :wave:

[Grey Incision]

SK, i have got to hear your band mate, you guys sound quite professional in your approach to music. It would certainly be a something i could learn from as well. I am a guitarist, so Adam jones isn't really my idol when it comes to playing. (that is where Opeth/dream theater comes in) Still, it would be a good change to not only hear what you've said here, but listen to it in practice and see how that discipline has helped your playing.

in short.......post an audio file :p

[jensmatty]

I commend you as a drummer Jensmatty for taking Careys work serious and making an effort to learn it.
Thankyou :). Do you know anywhere I can get other recordings of their songs? and post us some audio of your bands, With an approach like yours, Im sure your music is mind blowing
Where you from Jensmatty, im in aus
Sydney.

[Grey Incision]

jensmatty, i'm in sydney, and a big tool fan, and i play guitar, we have to start a band, now, or at least jam some time

[jensmatty]

im 15, you?

[Grey Incision]

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new message :16, yep, tool rocks for sure.




nah, i just want sort of a Tool cover band, you know, or something similar, it would be awesome to finally cover some of Tool's music. anyway, back to topic

How does Danny have that mind to create such drum lines and make it fit the song, the man is a plain genius

[SonorKen]

Danny and Justin write the basics of the song I believe. I THINK the writing goes like this. Carey writes drum tracks, gives them to Justin. Justin builds bass tracks around them and inside of them. Adam then adds his flair and punctuates where it is needed. Maynard adds the melody to the song. Once this is complete I believe they THEN begin to actually work on a song. I read this on Toolband once.

A good Tool coverband is www.soberband.com

You can check out my bands site at www.stagefrightband.com

We don't have audio up YET but it is coming. I have all the specs on my Carey inspired drum set. You can read through our guest book and see what some of the people who have attended our shows think of the Tool stuff we play, its kinda cool if I say so myself.

[clearvision]

Cheers SFK, can't wait for the audio.

From just listening to the songs you can tell that the bass and drums are written first. On some songs however i think the gutiar is written after the voice...or it is just changed afterwards. 'Cause you can hear when adam is complimenting maynard rather than making a base for him to work on...

[G_Mac07]

I'm guessing the same technique was used on Opiate with Paul D'Amour, most of the songs on there seem pretty prominant in the bass area.

[clearvision]

Hey guys...I have a question :eek:

The Salival version of you lied....who is the second guitarist?

I think the version is live? And tooltabs.net says there is 2 guitars. Who accompanied adam :confused: Was it Maynard? Or do we just not know, I checked tool FAQ and found nothing....

[Adam Jones is GOD]

King Buzzo of the Melvins. Adam plays with them a lot, so he returned the favour during a few live shows

[clearvision]

:eek: that was quick... Thanks

[Kingofdudes]

In tool related news...... I am uploading Lateralus to my new Creative Zen Touch MP3 player....


Ps. AJiG take a look at my reply to your Black Mages review kthxbai

[jamesclelland]

buzzo and adam are playing tonite in seattle, i'm hella stooked. if you haven't watched adam play yet, be prepare yourself for the show of your life. he doesn't even need to show boat like hairbands. he stands still, knods to the beat and still gives off an energy that would make a grown man cry.

[Magicaltroll]

Danny and Justin write the basics of the song I believe. I THINK the writing goes like this. Carey writes drum tracks, gives them to Justin. Justin builds bass tracks around them and inside of them. Adam then adds his flair and punctuates where it is needed. Maynard adds the melody to the song. Once this is complete I believe they THEN begin to actually work on a song. I read this on Toolband once.

A good Tool coverband is www.soberband.com

You can check out my bands site at www.stagefrightband.com

We don't have audio up YET but it is coming. I have all the specs on my Carey inspired drum set. You can read through our guest book and see what some of the people who have attended our shows think of the Tool stuff we play, its kinda cool if I say so myself.


i think i downloaded one of your guys's songs on kazaa one time because i remember it saying "stagefright" but i dont know, just thought id tell you :)

[jensmatty]

I think DC said in an interview that only a few songs started off with drums on that album, that there was more justin and adam writing parts then him adding drums in that album. Was he bsing? lol

[flyguy]

I'm sure this has been covered somewhere in this thread, but I was just wondering if I could get some info on their new album. I remember Danny saying something about it a long time ago, about how it was going to be more heavy and intense, and something about it being released in spring of 2005? I donno, just what I heard. If you can help clear this up, please do.

[jensmatty]

Go to toolband.com, it has an article on the main page, they're still in the writing process.

[Kage]

I'm sure this has been covered somewhere in this thread, but I was just wondering if I could get some info on their new album. I remember Danny saying something about it a long time ago, about how it was going to be more heavy and intense, and something about it being released in spring of 2005? I donno, just what I heard. If you can help clear this up, please do.

As far as I know, what you said is pretty much all anyone knows at this point.

[9 sides]

As jennsmatty said go to Tool's official page and read Blair's entry for december 14th and you'll have an eyewitness (or is that earwitness...) account of some of the new material. It seems clear they will be following the path they've been taking toward increasingly complex material.

[G_Mac07]

I think DC said in an interview that only a few songs started off with drums on that album, that there was more justin and adam writing parts then him adding drums in that album. Was he bsing? lol

Which album are you referring to here?

And I just bought Peach - Giving Birth To A Stone, and I must say I'm pretty happy with it after my first listen. It's a lot rougher/rawer than Tool's recent works, but then again, it's not Tool. I'll say it's probably worth checking out if your a serious Tool or Justin Chancellor fan:)

[jensmatty]

^ Lateralus sorry :)

[Druumer89]

does any of you know what electronic effect that danny uses on the salival version of pu****? thanks

[bebubly]

I see alot of talk about people playing Tool stuff on drums. I have been playing drums for 20 years, I can play several Tool songs, not all of them, about 10. I dont count it as being able to play a Tool song unless you can play it note for note.

I have seen several drummers boast about being able to play Tool stuff on drums. When I watched them play it they were not even close. Being able to sustain some form of a beat and play some of the fills does not constitute being able to play one of Careys pieces. Most of the songs have multiple odd groupings with complex polyrhythms. Its just not easy to duplicate.

Carey doesn't sit down with the band and pound out these tracks. He writes them note for note. The majority of his time signatures change measure to measure and alot of his time signatures are extremely complex, like 12/8 and 13/8.

The more difficult songs I can play is 46 and 2, Aenema, Schism, Parabola, and Reflection (Im working on this song now). 46 and 2 for example, it changes so much that you basically have to memorize it. I had cheat sheets all over my electronic pads reminding me of signatures.

Thats the other part of it, the electronics. Again, using 46 and 2 as an example. The beginning of the song is played with 2 dominate patterns carrying the rhythm as individual polys, all electronic. You are playing another time signature with your left foot, and you have a kick, tom4, ride ping, tom5, kick on every 4. The solo is incredible. The initial double stroke roll down the toms has to fit inside of the bass line and has to end (I forget what note the bass ends on) at the exact time the bass ends his riff. At the end of the solo you have an 9 and a half count double kick, press roll on 2 seperate toms with a snare hit on 1. You have to time this perfect and only do 9 and a half or the vocals cannot come in and the song collapses in on itself.

Anyway, I love it that Carey inspires so many people to push themselves to new limits. Some easier Tool songs to play is Sober, Hush, Stinkfist, and H.

hey there...i am a huge danny carey fan but i really cannot drum well enough to learn what he plays for tool yet...i don't feel that unless you are a very very good drummer you should even try it because he puts so much work andeffort into it and the results are so amazing...i was just wondering if you have any videos of you playing what you can of his work or even any recordings you might share?? i would be really interested to hear them...

[Otherside]

So AJG did you ever try out for that band?

[corporalclegg]

What side projects has Adam Jones done?

[jamesclelland]

he just did a gig in seattle with the melvins and jello. very good i might add.
i've heard he does a lot with the melvins.

[populuspwellus]

a pretty easy tool song to cover is schism

lateralus is accessible too

[jamesclelland]

lateralus took me a while, but i can do it perfectly(well d.amn close).
my favorite is eba/the patient or eulogy. i'll play each one over and over again, my '59 seymore duncan jazz pickup sounds really good with them.

[Tool666]

Lateralus didn't take me TOO long, but I can practically play it "exact". But of course, no one probably can, except Adam Jones. Forty-Six & 2 is another easy song to play.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

So AJG did you ever try out for that band?

Nope, the ad had long gone when i checked back the other day. Although the guy selling me the guitar im affter saw me in my APC shirt and threw in a strap for free, when I eventually pick it up.

So I guess I got something out the deal. Still, would have been cool to find another group of tol fans to jam with

[drumtilidie]

if i accidently quoted someone, i didn't mean to, this is my first post, and i was not sure exactly how to post anything, but i think i got it.....

i didn't want to read all 90 pages on this thread, but i would like to start of by saying that the first few pages really made me start listening to Tool again, and i went out and bought two CDs, Opiate and Lateralus. I can't find the other CDs, but i hope i find them soon.

If you aren't a drummer, you may not be too interested to read this, but you can if you want. I wanted to discuss Danny Carey a bit. In my opinion, Danny Carey (now to be referred to as DC) is one of the best drummers out there for more reasons than the fact that he can play stuff half of us do not understand. Its the things that that you have to be a drummer/musician to appreciate that make him good. I am talking about things such as odd timing signatures, or tricky co-ordination with the left foot on hi-hat. Take the intro to Ticks and Leeches for example: The rhythm and notes are not hard to play, but he adds on the hi-hat foot on quarter notes later, and then double bass after that, all the while keeping in 7/4 beautifully. I don't care if you find this easy to do, I find it extremely hard to duplicate, and if I do manage to play the whole intro correctly, I'm surprised by just how well it flows. I've been playing drums for a year and eight months now, and i can play pretty much everything DC has made (not off memory, i've only memorized a few songs), but I couldn't imagine making up my own beats as well thought out and performed as DC. I doesn't take a pro drummer to play what Danny plays, but in my opinion it takes a pro drummer to create the rhythms that he plays. I wanted learn "The Grudge" for a drum concert a while back, so I tabbed the song out myself before learning to play it (i didn't submit it on the internet). However, after working on the song for...uh, lets see, about 2 months, I still hadn't really gotten to far because most of his tom beats have flams, accents, ghost notes, some triplets too, and offbeat bass notes, that you feel overwhelmed at how much you need to perfect your co-ordination before playing it. And then theres that drum solo at the end :smash: , i didn't know what to do. So, i simplified the song with less flams, accents, and offbeat bass notes, and replaced electronics with simple ghost notes on the toms, land in the end i felt ashamed at how much i had destroyed DC's masterpiece. Strangely, at the end of the concert, at least 10 strangers came up to me and told me they had never seen anyone play the drums that well, and that they didn't mind the loud music because what i had played seemed so creative and thoughtful to them. i thanked them, but i knew that if they had heard and seen DC up there on the stage, they would've shat themselves. I hope i have managed to get across my point, unfortunately i suck at english, so im not good at this, but im trying to point out to everyone out there that DC is great because he plays what no one else does, he goes beyond the usual 4/4 hi-hat beats and creates masterpieces in whatever timing imaginable, and better yet he does it so it flows. His skill at what he does is beyond belief if you stop to think about it. I challenge you to name one drummer that has created masterpieces as creative and beautiful as DC. You see? It's hard! Theres people like Joey Jordison from Slipknot that sound good, but all he really does is fast fills and double bass. Hes weak with his hands. Also theres Mike Portnoy of Dream Theatre...I can't even listen to his drumming because he does all these retarted timing changes repeatedly that it just sounds like hes playing around his set with no actual timing in mind. Not only that, but Mike has never impressed me with his beats, because they are straightforward and simple co-ordination. You don't have to think twice. .....Shoot, sorry everyone, i started rambling a bit there (a bit? :lol: ), to sum it all up, Danny Carey is a drummer unlike any other. I swear to god hes god. :thumb:


I know this is a childish thing to do, but DANNY CAREY RULES!!!!

thanks everyone who actually read this for reading my opinion, and thanks to everyone out there who got me listening and playing to Tool again. Im even starting to learn guitar, just so I can play Tool on another instrument, but i wont bother stating what makes Adam Jones so good (its the effects :lol: ) honestly, i have no life....drums, guitar, Tool....food.... thanks everyone.

holy fvck i wrote a lot :lol: :smash: :thumb:

[drumtilidie]

if i accidently quoted someone, i didn't mean to, this is my first post, and i was not sure exactly how to post anything, but i think i got it.....

i didn't want to read all 90 pages on this thread, but i would like to start of by saying that the first few pages really made me start listening to Tool again, and i went out and bought two CDs, Opiate and Lateralus. I can't find the other CDs, but i hope i find them soon.

If you aren't a drummer, you may not be too interested to read this, but you can if you want. I wanted to discuss Danny Carey a bit. In my opinion, Danny Carey (now to be referred to as DC) is one of the best drummers out there for more reasons than the fact that he can play stuff half of us do not understand. Its the things that that you have to be a drummer/musician to appreciate that make him good. I am talking about things such as odd timing sign