Tool

[jaredthebassman]

i never really got into tool, could any1 recomend some champ tool songs for me to look for

coz i hear about them but i havent found any good songs o theirs

[TOOLphreak_46and2]

Good songs. Get Ænema, Eulogy, H, Jimmy, 4 Degrees, Prison Sex, Undertow, Jerk Off, The Patient, Ticks and Leeches, Third Eye, Pus.hit.


I DEF. AGREE! all those songs kick @$$!!!

theres also....

Dispostion
Reflection
Hush
Opiate
Part Of Me
The Gaping Lotus Experience
Intolerance
Flood
Crawl Away
Bottom
Forty-Six & 2
Disgustipated
Hooker With A P.enis
Die Eier Von Satan
Parabol / Parabola


wow.....I Love TOOL....i think you will be rather interested in them once you actually sit and listen to all of their songs! have a blast! :thumb: lOuD iS lOvE!!!

[TheMachineRagesOn]

I suggest going through their albums chronologically, listen to Opiate their EP then progress to Undertow and Aenima then Lateralus.
Id suggest some individual songs but id recommend getting their whole albums if you can, but if not

OPIATE= Sweat, Hush, Part of Me, Cold & Ugly, Jerk off, and Opiate (i know the whole EP but its an extremely classy ep)

UNDERTOW= Intolerance, Prison sex, Sober, Flood Undertow..

AENIMA= Stinkfist, Eulogy, Hooker with a *****, 46&2, Pu****, Aenema, Jimmy, Third eye

LATERALUS= The grudge, the patient, schism, Parabol/a, Ticks & Leeches, Lateralus..

Once again i strongly reccommend you get the entire albums, their more than worht the money, but if not these should keep you interested and hopefully get you hooked to Tool (which you will).

[TOOLphreak_46and2]

i never really got into tool, could any1 recomend some champ tool songs for me to look for

coz i hear about them but i havent found any good songs o theirs

ok..you have really smoked yourself retarded this time! ....."havent found any good songs of theirs" your an IDIOT!!! every song by TOOL is awesome! Maynard has SO MUCH talent!!! but here...just for a start....listen to these...


Ænema
Third Eye
Pus.hit
Dispostion
Reflection
Ticks & Leeches
Prison S.ex
Jerk Off
4° ( Degrees )
Forty-Six & 2
The Patient
H.
Eulogy
Opiate
Undertow
The Swamp Song

well....that SHOULD get you started....if it doesnt....then i dont know what to tell you!!! haha :lol:

anywayz....lOuD iS lOvE!!!

[Magicaltroll]

ok..you have really smoked yourself retarded this time! ....."havent found any good songs of theirs" your an IDIOT!!! every song by TOOL is awesome! Maynard has SO MUCH talent!!!
well i know when i first got lateralus, i really wasnt to into it.... i wasnt even into LATERALUS (the song) and thats pretty bad...very bad haha
but yeah it might take you a while to get into them becasue thier music needs alot of attention you actually have to LISTEN. becasue i know i didnt get into them overnight :thumb:

[Quebec]

Maybe I should have posted this in the drum forum but anyway.... Peoples always tell me that Danny Carrey creates his drumbeats around geometric patterns but some peoples tell me that this is just Danny making fun of us. So, whats a geometric drum beat?

[music_freak1290]

ok..you have really smoked yourself retarded this time! ....."havent found any good songs of theirs" your an IDIOT!!! every song by TOOL is awesome! Maynard has SO MUCH talent!!! but here...just for a start....listen to these...


Ænema
Third Eye
Pus.hit
Dispostion
Reflection
Ticks & Leeches
Prison S.ex
Jerk Off
4° ( Degrees )
Forty-Six & 2
The Patient
H.
Eulogy
Opiate
Undertow
The Swamp Song

well....that SHOULD get you started....if it doesnt....then i dont know what to tell you!!! haha :lol:

anywayz....lOuD iS lOvE!!!

i totally agree... if they don't like those songs, they are a lost cause and will never know what good music actually is...

[x the patient x6]

i just realized, i havent listened to Tool in about 3 weeks...mmm, i got nothing...this isnt good...


i didnt bother reading anything, but i just did, and as they say "History repeats itself"

and i noticed that these topics have been repeating themselves

ive seen so many lists of the same Tool songs of recomendations, and then additions, and other peoples opinions...its been done, so, i give up, maybe i'll find some good threads outside if this one...doubt it...if i dont come back, dont be surprised, but if youre still enlightened enough to hear what i have to say for god knows what reason, im on AIM alot, its the same as my username, or XThe Tourist x6, either work

[Grey Incision]

sorry, i'm only just really getting into tool, and i was wondering, what's the dvd called? salival?

[Meltedfingers]

I don't know that one, sorry...

But the Schism video was just **** awesome. So was the Parabola video. Heh

[Mega Tool]

I started listening to Pus.hit the other day.............and I thought to myself :"Why O' Why did I only start now??"



That is a great song.
Like every other Tool song.
Any news on a new album?

[TheMachineRagesOn]

New album coming out sometime early 2005 i think, i honestly dont know the specific date nor what it shall be called but none the less i can not wait for it to be released and for Tool to start promoting it by way of tours (Especially in Aus)

It shall be very intersting to see the transition in sound of this one compared to lateralus and how it will flow as a whole.

[knife_prty]

Great thread. A lot of intelligent and provoking thoughts on here, although sometimes shrouded in some amounts of mind numbing comments. However, we are all here to grow so I hold no grudge towards those who still struggle to think.

Just read 'The Da Vinci Code' and as much of a 'mainstream bestseller' of a book as it is, it is a MUST read for anyone interested in the ideaology behind some of tool's (and APC's, of course) music. It sure did open my mind further to look beyond what we are presented with in order to seek the truth.

(Correct me if someone has already brought it up, but there is 72 pages and I havn't had enough time to read it all yet.)

This as well with all things about geometrics, codes, mathematics, lightwaves, energy, the beauty of life and all it becomes apparent that we are all interconnected in some devine way. One of many ways I can see it clearly is through mathematics. Keeping this in mind, I like to think of Tool songs as metaphorical equations, that can be dynamically applied to our lives and ourselves as beings under various situations to reveal and explain how we feel and why we feel a certain way. One of many aspects to think about.

Another amazing thing is how one song might mean something to myself, might pose a completely different meaning to another person or even an utterly different meaning to maynard. I think it is great for people to post thoughts as to what they beleive a song is, but I strongly beleive one must find the meaning for themselves, well put as "thinking for yourself".

Simply put, Tool is musically and mentally on another level compared to a lot of music these days.

Embrace the next step, Embrace Evolution...

[clearvision]

Woo, hi new user :wave: I need that book, i read parts on danny careys website about it www.dannycarey.org or something. What is the author/title of the book you read? :wave:

Geometric drumbeats - I expect this is relating to the fact that Carey uses the fibbonacci sequence in the song lateralus. This sequence is pleasing to the ear much like the golden ratio is pleasing to the eye. You can read up on it in the infamous tool FAQ on www.toolshed.down.net Check the forum there also, there are some geniuses on there with quite astonishing thesis'.

/Realises he looks foolish 'cause he cannot spell the plural form of genius.

[deadohiosky9]

Has anyone here heard Breaking Benjamin's cover of Ænema? I think it's pretty d.amn good. I can send it to you if you like. Just need your email.

[an_underused_memory]

re knife_prty and clearvision's book talk:
on the tool reading list, there's "holy blood and the holy grail" which is a non-fiction that touches on a lot of theories fictionalised in dan brown's book.
To the point that the publishers of 'holy blood...' are suing those of 'the da vinci code' for plagarism... but I don't mean to take away from the dan brown book, i've now read it and think its great, and should open up lots of people to theories they may not otherwise have come across..
However if you're after the background to a lot of toolish theories in the same words that tool themselves read, don't go past "holy blood..."
its a good read, apart from anything else.

Also just finished "nothing in this book is true but its exactly the way things are" by bob frissell....it was amazing, i recommend it so strongly, even a complete cynic like me could not resist its charms...

[jinxed_nz]

Whoa a cover of Aenema! I love that song, I can't see someone making the song sound better in anyway, but im hoping it does!

As you can see im a new user, so hi everyone :wave: ! Im a huge Tool fan and you guys just blow me away with how much you know. I have one question though. Im really into Tool and all and am always listing to it but, i really want some new music to listen to that is similar to Tool just to fill in before the next CD comes out.

I have all the APC CD's so don't say them and the new APC albem eMOTIVe didnt do anything for me :confused: i was a bit let down to tell you the truth. SO is there any suggestions?

[Expresso]

I've come to realize over time that no one element of either Tool or APC makes the band what it is. All too often in popular music, the singer is featured along with maybe one of the musicians (lead guitar?) in order to provide a simple, marketable face value that can only be praised as 'catchy'. It becomes a cycle, as the newest bands imitate the wildly popular bands who have presented that simple money-oriented music. In both Tool and APC, you never get that feeling. Nobody is 'featured'. Often Tool or APC fans love anything each separate musician does, even with other groups. That's a pretty unique trait for bands today.

Your thoughts?

[jinxed_nz]

Yeah I know what you mean. Im just really tired of listening to the crap rock that is continuosly played by our radio stations, bands like Simple plan and Yellow Card. All the teenie boopers listen to them and think that they are hard rock! All i can say to them is go take your poppy punk **** somewhere else! I guess thats what happens when you are a fan of bands like tool.

Oh plus i would love to know where you can listen to that cover song of Aenima!

[ThePatient]

To deadohiosky: BassYourFace@gmail.com or BassLikeLes on AIM

To Jinxed: Dreamtheater or King Crimson

[deadohiosky9]

Yeah I know what you mean. Im just really tired of listening to the crap rock that is continuosly played by our radio stations, bands like Simple plan and Yellow Card. All the teenie boopers listen to them and think that they are hard rock! All i can say to them is go take your poppy punk **** somewhere else! I guess thats what happens when you are a fan of bands like tool.

Oh plus i would love to know where you can listen to that cover song of Aenima!

I'll send it to you. Whats your email address? Or Aim sn. And on other bands like Tool, I remember being in your position. I was like man are there any other bands like this? And to tell you the truth, there aren't really any bands that sound like em. It also depends on what kinda stuff ur into.

[deadohiosky9]

you might like Pink Floyd (if ur not already into them), tool fans also tend to like bands like Radiohead. Mudvayne is pretty good too. Not as meaningful as Flyd and Radiohead though. Oh yeah and Opeth. Took me a while to get used to the death metal growl. But you might like em. That should keep u busy. To jinxed.

[Magicaltroll]

i dont know, i think u might like pink floyd theyre pretty good. i think they are very original (well from all the bands ive heard...) but yeah check them out.
i listen to them when i just wanna kick back and relax, you know? but yeah pretty good stuff youve probably heard them though but really theres no bands like tool and apc.
^^^^to jinxed

[deadohiosky9]

Deftones. They just came to mind. Tool fans i've met like them too. This is to jinxed.

[jamesclelland]

Has anyone here heard Breaking Benjamin's cover of Ænema? I think it's pretty d.amn good. I can send it to you if you like. Just need your email.

can you send the cover to adamjones_god@yahoo.com
i would really appreciate it

[SonorKen]

Well, Im gonna brag on myself here, when we cover Aenema we do a **** good job! I think any band that is going to make the commitment to play any complicated masterpiece by Tool as a cover is going to work it to death. We spent a month getting that one song perfected. It is worth it, the crowd goes insane when we cover Tool.

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

Go figure, Radiohead and Tool are my favorite bands.

[Expresso]

Yeah I know what you mean. Im just really tired of listening to the crap rock that is continuosly played by our radio stations, bands like Simple plan and Yellow Card. All the teenie boopers listen to them and think that they are hard rock! All i can say to them is go take your poppy punk **** somewhere else! I guess thats what happens when you are a fan of bands like tool.

Oh plus i would love to know where you can listen to that cover song of Aenima!
It's not even that it's crap, for some people it might be really good stuff. It's fine if you like that music too. Maybe you admire that single person for who he/she is, not his band.

My point is pretty much about how Tool and APC are solely for the music. They completely on a different level from other bands because they play and feel as a band.

The difference between that and pop music is that pop focuses, not on the creativity and evolving ingenuity of their music, but on how the music will affect a certain image or trend. These people are by no means bad; they just aren't in it to revolutionize music. Instead, they sensationalize one part of the band (usually the singer) in order to place a marketable image on the music.

This type of music is typically shallow enough to play to everybody, catchy enough to appeal to younger audiences and distract strict parents from the 'maturity' in their lyrics like sex and violence. It's made to sell, made to be played as background noise at some club, movie soundtracks, or high-energy live situations. Producers and the industry are of course partially responsible for the marketed image, but it's true that 'stars' (MTV...) hype their image, not the music.

I'm going to extend my lil rant and get into why Tool (APC too) are better than the other bands who don't accept the pop image.

I can only describe Tool's music as art. Not only does it contain a variety emotion on several levels, but many songs also have a layered meaning that can be related to almost anything in your life at any time. However, emotion is not enough. There are plenty of emotion-loaded bands today, even some who reject marketable image. A good example would be death metal/ hardcore bands who convey the same emotion through the same dischordant melody again and again.

Tool has something else; the music. Admittedly on the shallowest level, the members of Tool are respected and admired among their peers, especially Maynard and Danny.
Listen to the flow of many of their songs; you can feel tension, release, energy, on at least four levels.

Lastly, Tool has a certain power. Yeah, you shiver too when the opening chords of 'Schism' play. And during the final explosion of 'Push.it"; There isn't any speed bass, metal guitar, or slap bass during any of it, Maynard isn't even screaming, but it conveys so much more emotion and musical energy than any death metal song I have ever heard.

There's alot I've missed, but just pull out Tool and compare it to Yellowcard or Briteny Spears, you'll get my meaning.

[Merkaba]

I you sign to a label, or are in the music BUSINESS, your saying "i want to be a product" Busisness sell products or services.
Depending on which label you sign to or what branch of business you go into, you will be product x or product y, or product z, etc.

All music is not gonna be out to do what we like. I like that. I wouldnt want everyone out trying to push the limits of understanding music and lyrics.
When i say I'm a music fan, I'm a music fan. I can listen to top 40 just fine. But at the end of the day i identify with certain genres for my own reasons. I'm no better for this.

[jinxed_nz]

**** you guys really open my eyes up on this topic! Thanks a lot!
Well if it helps i have got Deftones, Tool, APC, Disturbed, NIN, Breaking Benjamin and i admit it i do like a bit of the chillies cus they are just so ****ed catchy!

Oh yeah send that cover song to jinxed_nz@hotmail.com tht would be cool!

[Expresso]

I you sign to a label, or are in the music BUSINESS, your saying "i want to be a product" Busisness sell products or services.
Depending on which label you sign to or what branch of business you go into, you will be product x or product y, or product z, etc.

All music is not gonna be out to do what we like. I like that. I wouldnt want everyone out trying to push the limits of understanding music and lyrics.
When i say I'm a music fan, I'm a music fan. I can listen to top 40 just fine. But at the end of the day i identify with certain genres for my own reasons. I'm no better for this.
Yeah, good points. Like he said, it doesn't mean you are 'enlightened' if you like Tool music. It has to do with preference. On the surface, many don't like Tool music, but if you do, you will find it goes deeper than other music you listen too (hence the fan base devoted to their meaning).

To jinxed: I think the chillies rock myself. Mainstream does not equal money-whore-crap, it might mean they made music alot of people like. Even so, look at RHCP, they are the epitome of 'band'.

[Merkaba]

Has anyone here heard Breaking Benjamin's cover of Ænema? I think it's pretty d.amn good. I can send it to you if you like. Just need your email.

That would be cool.
Goldenmerkaba@aol.com

[clearvision]

Right a few points...

Thanks 'an underused' just what the doctor ordered :thumb:

Expresso...I think the difference between most music and tool is that each musician can be picked out as giving something big to the group (I still don't know which parts of tool songs are bass but i am told Justin does do alot). I can sit and listen to maynard, or danny or adam each carry different melodies and have different songs showcasing their abilities.

Jinxed, It really depends on what you're into. At the moment i am having a radiohead phase. But i've been through opeth, dream theater and all sorts. It depends what stuff you like. Don't be too quick to dismiss mainstream bands, some are actually quite good (Is a busted/mcfly fan :upset:)

I would like the breaking benjamin cover :wave: robertchapman88 at gmail.com

[jamesclelland]

the cover isn't bad. i would certainly cheer after hearing it live. yet the vocals im not used to and the words didn't come out very clear in some spots (during the F*ck L. Ron Hubbard part). but musically they did a really good job. 4 of 5

[deadohiosky9]

the cover isn't bad. i would certainly cheer after hearing it live. yet the vocals im not used to and the words didn't come out very clear in some spots (during the F*ck L. Ron Hubbard part). but musically they did a really good job. 4 of 5

Ya it was unclear in some parts. But I think he got close to Maynard's range in some parts. Musically i thought it was perfect.

[deadohiosky9]

**** you guys really open my eyes up on this topic! Thanks a lot!
Well if it helps i have got Deftones, Tool, APC, Disturbed, NIN, Breaking Benjamin and i admit it i do like a bit of the chillies cus they are just so ****ed catchy!

Oh yeah send that cover song to jinxed_nz@hotmail.com tht would be cool!

Check out Chevelle. They kick as.s. They claim to be tool influenced also. Also check out Thursday, they have amazing lyrics that make you think, and they are very emotional. Post hardcore band, if ur into that kinda stuff. Lately I've been getting into a lot of harcore bands. Also looking at your tastes, I wold def recommend Marilyn Manson. Hes a lot lke Maynard too. Hes all for think for yourself, and tool philosophy stuff. Timothy Leary, Carl Jung, and whatnot. Really cool guy. And his music is awesome. btw- disturbed kicks man!!

[deadohiosky9]

Jinxed, the cover didn't send to you. It could be becuase ur using hotmail, u have ne thing else? I'll invite you to gmail. I need your name though.

[CantStopUsNow]

wow i started reading the first couple pages of this thread and i had a lot of comments i wanted to make and songs i wanted to breakdown and then for the hell of i hit the button to go to the last page and saw that it was up to page 73. needless to say there is no point on commenting on something said on page 3.

can you send the cover to me i'd like to hear it. cantstopusnow@yahoo.com
i dont know if it will work sending it to yahoo

[clearvision]

Cheers for the cover, whoever it was that sent me it, If i knew i'd rep ya lol. Cover sounds cool, but YTF! is the guitarist using a zoom pedal...I can recreate his tone lol! The vocals aren't as strong but it's still good :thumb:

[deadohiosky9]

Cheers for the cover, whoever it was that sent me it, If i knew i'd rep ya lol. Cover sounds cool, but YTF! is the guitarist using a zoom pedal...I can recreate his tone lol! The vocals aren't as strong but it's still good :thumb:

I sent you the cover. Np.

[deadohiosky9]

This is off topic, but where has Adam Jones is God been??

[omgwtfboogie]

This is off topic, but where has Adam Jones is God been??
He's handcuffed to the bed, we'll be done in a few.

No, seriously, I don't know.

[ThirteenthStep]

i think if you like Tool, you should DEFINITELY check out Nine inch Nails... They're (or He's) a little different, using alot of effects and sort of "techno"-ish but ****, Trent Reznor is crazy....The lyrics are just awesome too..
I also think you should get some Led Zeppelin, seeing as how, In my opinion, they have influenced so much rock its crazy.. They're just amaazing, with one of the greatest guitarists ever..I also think Chevelle is a really good band, you can def see some tool influences in them... Can't forget RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE. < They kick as.sssss... Audioslave kicks major *** too, with almost the same RAGE people, cept 2 guys from Sound Garden...I HIGHLY recommend Audioslave if you like RATM, or even if you dont

I also read somewhere that Tool was inspired by Rush...I heard some Rush.. The singer has a really high-ish voice, I'm not sure how influential they were on Tool...but yeah...

[omgwtfboogie]

TOOL was inspired mostly by Crimson King, according to the members themselves.

[deadohiosky9]

TOOL was inspired mostly by Crimson King, according to the members themselves.

I think its King Crimson.

[deadohiosky9]

i think if you like Tool, you should DEFINITELY check out Nine inch Nails... They're (or He's) a little different, using alot of effects and sort of "techno"-ish but ****, Trent Reznor is crazy....The lyrics are just awesome too..
I also think you should get some Led Zeppelin, seeing as how, In my opinion, they have influenced so much rock its crazy.. They're just amaazing, with one of the greatest guitarists ever..I also think Chevelle is a really good band, you can def see some tool influences in them... Can't forget RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE. < They kick as.sssss... Audioslave kicks major *** too, with almost the same RAGE people, cept 2 guys from Sound Garden...I HIGHLY recommend Audioslave if you like RATM, or even if you dont

I also read somewhere that Tool was inspired by Rush...I heard some Rush.. The singer has a really high-ish voice, I'm not sure how influential they were on Tool...but yeah...


Right on man!!!!! RATM!!! :thumb:

[deadohiosky9]

He's handcuffed to the bed, we'll be done in a few.

No, seriously, I don't know.

hahahahah! Sick.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

He's handcuffed to the bed, we'll be done in a few.

No, seriously, I don't know.

Do you mind? Im only just able to sit down again after the last time.

Going back a bit to SFK comment, although im not in a band, I have tried to perfect every little detail of Stinkfist when I play/jam it. I started off basing my pedal set up to get the correct tones and effects in that song. from there i also have been doing the same with The Patient, hence my buying of a wah pedal.

Due to this,i've built up a decent array of pedals and have learned how to use them effectively, encorporating it into writing my own material. Thanks once again to Tool!

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Oh, and after just reading (In case any of you fools are not regularly checking toolband.com)

This months newsletter contains some more insight into the Parabol/Parabola video. Shows some interesting links between the philosophy behind many Final fantasy games as well as Tool ideals. Could it be that everything that I enjoy in my life is somehow interconnected in someway?

[omgwtfboogie]

Do you mind? Im only just able to sit down again after the last time.

Going back a bit to SFK comment, although im not in a band, I have tried to perfect every little detail of Stinkfist when I play/jam it. I started off basing my pedal set up to get the correct tones and effects in that song. from there i also have been doing the same with The Patient, hence my buying of a wah pedal.

Due to this,i've built up a decent array of pedals and have learned how to use them effectively, encorporating it into writing my own material. Thanks once again to Tool!
I hope I wasn't too rough on you..


Can you get the feedback intro to Stinkfist just right? Most of the tabs and techniques I've tried don't seem to sounds quite right.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

The into feedback is a pain the the back side, since you get Dannys drum patterns moulding in with the intial feedback sound. I tend to get standard feedback (close to the amp, let it build, etc) while string scraping, and it produces a similar type of sound if done right, its trial and error. Most of the partslike that in the song just requires some creative uses of scrapes and muting to get it right.

The part i could never get was the kick in to the distortion section after the mellow cleaner part near the end, before maynard sings 'Ill keep digging...' I could never get it sounding right

Since im still stuck with a crappy marshall MG30DFX amp, im still lmited with what i can do.

[omgwtfboogie]

Okay, I'll have to try it once I get my other amps back.

I guess those tabs could've been accurate after all, just not the technique they described. I'll try your way, should get something pretty close after a little practice.

[Magicaltroll]

i should start learning to play some tool.... i tried it once and it was harder than it sounded... and plus the fact that i wasnt really commiting to learning it didnt help either..... but one of these days ill do it... one of these days....

and to AJIG
for the patient, do you use a regular wah pedal or a multi effect pedal? because i have a RP200 Multi Effect pedal and i was just wondering if i could do it with that because to me my pedal sounds different from the other wah pedals ive used, but maybe its just me

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I only use a regular wah at the moment, I've had it for 2 weeks now, and im still getting to grasps with it. SO I cant offer much help on that area, since im still a wah n00b.

If you post that question in the guitar forum, it more than likely that 3074326 will have some helpful advice for you, since he probably is the most knoweldgable Tool - related guitarist on here

[CantStopUsNow]

Can't forget RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE. < They kick as.sssss... Audioslave kicks major *** too, with almost the same RAGE people, cept 2 guys from Sound Garden...I HIGHLY recommend Audioslave if you like RATM, or even if you dont


I love RATM. Audioslave is practically the same line-up except Zack de la Rocha left and was replaced by Chris Cornell of soundgarden. thats the only difference between the members. I would recommend Audioslave but RATM and Audioslave are not at all the same band and the sound very different so i dont think liking Rage effects that at all.

[jamesclelland]

i should start learning to play some tool.... i tried it once and it was harder than it sounded... and plus the fact that i wasnt really commiting to learning it didnt help either..... but one of these days ill do it... one of these days....

and to AJIG
for the patient, do you use a regular wah pedal or a multi effect pedal? because i have a RP200 Multi Effect pedal and i was just wondering if i could do it with that because to me my pedal sounds different from the other wah pedals ive used, but maybe its just me

i'm not ajig, but i can play the song. the very first intro riff is recorded track, or bass, either way don't play it. Get comfortable with your crybaby. assumming you know the tab, when you hit the first 2 you start with the wah up(bass). you fairly quickly, not too fast, press it all the way down then straight back up. that will create the signiture sound. do that on all of the notes until the final repeat. you just have to feel it. the rest is all just usual tool. hopefully that helps.

[jamesclelland]

your wah should work.

[kolin666]

is it worth buyin the cry baby for bass?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

The beginning section of that song is bass wah, i've seen videos and its always Justin doing it live. Then of course, Dany adds other effects over it.

The wah part that I struggle with is the riff AJ plays while MJK is singing 'Must keep reminding myself of this'. When he shifts up an octave, AJ activates the wah, but the tone he produces is hard to reproduce with the simple wah I have.

[Syncratic]

Hey, guys...I've been wanting to listen to Tool for the longest time, and my friend lent me his Tool CDs (he's got them all, including Salival) at my High School lock-in (it was as lame as it sounds) and I never got the chance to listen to them...so, I was wondering, which album should I start listening to to really start getting into Tool? Thnx!

[Adam Jones is GOD]

(if I hear one more question about what album/song...........)


For the last time, ill be nice.


Buyin in this order

Aenima - all forms of tool
Lateralus - latest and more trippy
Opiate - for true fans and those who like heavier
Undertow - An album that takes some work to understand

really need this type of thing put on the first page

[Syncratic]

Thanks...sorry if I annoyed anyone, I was just wondering which album to get into first, again I apologize.

[Otherside]

(if I hear one more question about what album/song...........)


For the last time, ill be nice.


Buyin in this order

Aenima - all forms of tool
Lateralus - latest and more trippy
Opiate - for true fans and those who like heavier
Undertow - An album that takes some work to understand

really need this type of thing put on the first page


For me, I recommend Aenima => Undertow => Lateralus => Opiate.

You start with their best, then go back to their earlier, then see what they're like today, and finally see where it all began. I don't really think it matters too much though, they're all great cds.

[an_underused_memory]

The difference between that and pop music is that pop focuses, not on the creativity and evolving ingenuity of their music, but on how the music will affect a certain image or trend. These people are by no means bad; they just aren't in it to revolutionize music. Instead, they sensationalize one part of the band (usually the singer) in order to place a marketable image on the music.

I can only describe Tool's music as art. Not only does it contain a variety emotion on several levels, but many songs also have a layered meaning that can be related to almost anything in your life at any time. However, emotion is not enough. There are plenty of emotion-loaded bands today, even some who reject marketable image. A good example would be death metal/ hardcore bands who convey the same emotion through the same dischordant melody again and again.

Tool has something else; the music. Admittedly on the shallowest level, the members of Tool are respected and admired among their peers, especially Maynard and Danny.
Listen to the flow of many of their songs; you can feel tension, release, energy, on at least four levels.
There's alot I've missed, but just pull out Tool and compare it to Yellowcard or Briteny Spears, you'll get my meaning.

I think here the perfect time to share one of my favourite quotes...i only wish I could remember who wrote it:
"good entertainment draws you outside of youselfa nd your situation. Good art illuminates what's inside us"

i think there's a place for both...as MJK mentioned in an Aussie interveiw about tools cult status and lack of chart success:
"i think there should be one chart for products, and one for musicians - the product chart would have britney and n*sync competeing the ford, coke, mcdonalds and pepsi. the music chart would only have those who are concerned with music."

and also: has anyone noticed that APC was swelled in ranks again, now with 9 members on the DVD.... including tim alexander (primus??)
and tim doesn't seem to have acutally played on anything at all...

I really like the idea of APC becoming a collective, more a project based entity than the traditional 'album then tour' type beast...

[jamesclelland]

The beginning section of that song is bass wah, i've seen videos and its always Justin doing it live. Then of course, Dany adds other effects over it.

The wah part that I struggle with is the riff AJ plays while MJK is singing 'Must keep reminding myself of this'. When he shifts up an octave, AJ activates the wah, but the tone he produces is hard to reproduce with the simple wah I have.

So Adam is doing the first riff over Justins wah? I must have read a bad tab. as for the must keep reminding... riff I have no problems making it sound good with just fuzz. a few amp adjustments and it sounds good to me.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

So Adam is doing the first riff over Justins wah? I must have read a bad tab. as for the must keep reminding... riff I have no problems making it sound good with just fuzz. a few amp adjustments and it sounds good to me.

Yeah, its a low level distortion setting palm muted for the first riff. The tab i use comes off the tool tab site (deadohiosky has the link, I can never remeber/havent bookmarked it.)

I agree, it can sound good without wah, but to get the full effect (which is hard to hear on the CD, unless pushed towards ear bleed volumes) wah is needed.

Though im satisfied with just playing without wah.


Oh, and on an AJ note, some sweet pics of his equipment at this link http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/diary/diary-RobertFripp.shtml
It also has some word on the recording process so far

[Anarchy_In_Mexico]

and also: has anyone noticed that APC was swelled in ranks again, now with 9 members on the DVD.... including tim alexander (primus??)
and tim doesn't seem to have acutally played on anything at all...


Thats because Tim played drums on The Hollow, then i don't remeber why he left the band.

[clearvision]

AJIG, i know its alot to ask, but could you gmail me some of your live videos, that musictvsucks site didnt work for me :( Robertchapman88 at gmail

Thanks

[Adam Jones is GOD]

AJIG, i know its alot to ask, but could you gmail me some of your live videos, that musictvsucks site didnt work for me :( Robertchapman88 at gmail

Thanks

Ill give it a go, not sure how big they are. I've got two great ones that ill send to others if it works, and the rest are ok (odd bad camera bits)

[deadohiosky9]

Anyone playing tool should get their tabs from Tool Tabs (http://www.tooltabs.net) . They are very accurate. But I'm sad to say that the site is no longer up. Last time I tried to go to it, it didn't work. Thank God I have all the tabs on my comp. At the site they let you download their tab archives. Also the tabber for Adam's riffs, is Nolan Venhola I think, and he/she has posted the tabs at here at Mx also. So look for that name, if th site isnt up.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

They did a few APC tabs too, but most were in Guitar Pro 3 format.

The tool ones on there were great, so detailed. Although i didnt like the Jerk Off tab on their

(anyone needs them, ill email em to ya, better than most of the Mx tabs ones)

[clearvision]

Ill give it a go, not sure how big they are. I've got two great ones that ill send to others if it works, and the rest are ok (odd bad camera bits)

Thanks man, that would be great....i don't know if the adress is case sensitive, i have it all lower case so robertchapman88@gmail.com :thumb:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Its sending now, but it's very slow tonight,

Each file is about 70 - 80 MB though (gulp) and they wont zip down

[deadohiosky9]

They did a few APC tabs too, but most were in Guitar Pro 3 format.

The tool ones on there were great, so detailed. Although i didnt like the Jerk Off tab on their

(anyone needs them, ill email em to ya, better than most of the Mx tabs ones)

Ya their tabs were great. But they have posted all their tool tabs on just about every tab site. They are at ultimate-guitar.com also. They sure did spend a lot of time on those tabs.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Got my very first tab from their, The Patient. I didnt even know a single chord when i started learning that one

Memories++

[music_freak1290]

I love RATM. Audioslave is practically the same line-up except Zack de la Rocha left and was replaced by Chris Cornell of soundgarden. thats the only difference between the members. I would recommend Audioslave but RATM and Audioslave are not at all the same band and the sound very different so i dont think liking Rage effects that at all.

ratm rules... and audioslave sucks... zack de la rocha is the one that made ratm, ratm... :)

[deadohiosky9]

Got my very first tab from their, The Patient. I didnt even know a single chord when i started learning that one

Memories++

Dude!!! Same here! The Patient was my first tab from their also. Ah. Great song.

[clearvision]

ratm rules... and audioslave sucks... zack de la rocha is the one that made ratm, ratm... :)

This is a tool thread :rolleyes: Zack de la rocha indeed made ratm, cause without him they'd be audioslave :thumb:

[jamesclelland]

the first song i learned of tool was eulogy, i still play it ten times a day. im in my own world throughout that whole song. especially the solo.

[Magicaltroll]

1st tool song i learned was lateralus
2nd was pus.hit
3rd aenima

good times... good times.....

[Kage]

My first was Parabola...playing it in standard tuning....ahhh the noobness. :naughty:

[jamesclelland]

I just learned lateralus, but i'm a little off with the second solo. the rest is a piece of cake.

[no propellers]

a perfect circle - thinking of you

first of all, heres the lyrics

lying all alone and restless unable to lose this image
sleepless unable to focus on anything but your surrender
tuggin a rhythm to the vision that's in my head tuggin a beat to the sight of you lying
so delighted with a new understanding something about a little evil that makes that unmistakable noise i was hearing unmistakable sound i know so well spent and sighing with that look in your eye spent and sighing with a look on your face like
sweet revelation sweet surrender
thinking of you thinking of you
sweet revelation sweet surrendering

when i look through the lyrics, i imagine, him haunted by memories of some trajedy of something hapening to someone that was close to him, and him seeing and remembering their expression on there face that pains him

[Adam Jones is GOD]

My first was Parabola...playing it in standard tuning....ahhh the noobness. :naughty:

Bet it sounded terrible to everyone but you

I still forget and try and play it in D, then wonder why I suck so bad

[Kage]

Bet it sounded terrible to everyone but you

I still forget and try and play it in D, then wonder why I suck so bad

Haha, yep, I remember getting my first distortion pedal for Christmas one year, bringing down my crappy amp and playin' away.

[an_underused_memory]

a perfect circle - thinking of you

first of all, heres the lyrics

lying all alone and restless unable to lose this image
sleepless unable to focus on anything but your surrender
tuggin a rhythm to the vision that's in my head tuggin a beat to the sight of you lying
so delighted with a new understanding something about a little evil that makes that unmistakable noise i was hearing unmistakable sound i know so well spent and sighing with that look in your eye spent and sighing with a look on your face like
sweet revelation sweet surrender
thinking of you thinking of you
sweet revelation sweet surrendering

when i look through the lyrics, i imagine, him haunted by memories of some trajedy of something hapening to someone that was close to him, and him seeing and remembering their expression on there face that pains him

Thinking of you is about masturbation - "alone and restless unable to losing this image" "tugging a rhythm to the vision thats in my head"
The expression on their face that MJK is imagining is whilst she is climaxing.

^^ this is what I figured myself

MJK has this to add on the new APC DVD - "this song is about jerking off to the thought of anal sex."
SO there you have it....I'm not going to go into a discussion of anal sex, but that explains the expression of surrendering, and revelationif it was a new thing...

Hope no one is offended by my discussion of that, but hey - if you can listen to prison sex and stinkfist, you can stand a post about anal sex.

[deadohiosky9]

Thinking of you is about masturbation - "alone and restless unable to losing this image" "tugging a rhythm to the vision thats in my head"
The expression on their face that MJK is imagining is whilst she is climaxing.

^^ this is what I figured myself

MJK has this to add on the new APC DVD - "this song is about jerking off to the thought of anal sex."
SO there you have it....I'm not going to go into a discussion of anal sex, but that explains the expression of surrendering, and revelationif it was a new thing...

Hope no one is offended by my discussion of that, but hey - if you can listen to prison sex and stinkfist, you can stand a post about anal sex.


Yes, thinking of you is about masturbation. "sweet revelation. sweet surrenderring."

[deadohiosky9]

1st tool song i learned was lateralus
2nd was pus.hit
3rd aenima

good times... good times.....

My first tool song was also Lateralus.

[exojjl]

I can't pronounce myself as i only started listening last month. I've really been trying to find out the meaning of Eulogy. This song seems their most contraversial as on the surface seems to be about jesus. However i believe it is about Martin Luther king. He is seen as a Martyr and apparently nailed something to a church. Which can tie into the lyrics. I make this opinion based on reading some of the threads ont hat toolshed site. If you want some real deep and complex ideas i suggest checking on there.

its about an out of body experience.
what was that drug mentioned in the liner notes? Ketamine? the drug produces out of body experiences.
The lyrics to the song mention something similar.
"when you see your own eulogy" i think that was the lyrics... yeh

[deadohiosky9]

its about an out of body experience.
what was that drug mentioned in the liner notes? Ketamine? the drug produces out of body experiences.
The lyrics to the song mention something similar.
"when you see your own eulogy" i think that was the lyrics... yeh

Ooooo. Veeerry interesting.

[omgwtfboogie]

I heard it was a eulogy for an actual person, but I forget the person's name.

[Kage]

its about an out of body experience.
what was that drug mentioned in the liner notes? Ketamine? the drug produces out of body experiences.
The lyrics to the song mention something similar.
"when you see your own eulogy" i think that was the lyrics... yeh


Actually, it goes: "Why then are you so surprised when you hear your own Eulogy?" And I don't think that song is about drugs.

[deadohiosky9]

Actually, it goes: "Why then are you so surprised when you hear your own Eulogy?" And I don't think that song is about drugs.

I agree. "He has a lto of nothing to say." Its definetly directed at someone. I think its just anger towards someone, who maybe Maynard was once close to, but they soon grew apart. Or a broken friendship. Like he had something to say, but I soon learned it was just bull s/hit. I think thats wut its about. "you claimed all this time that you wold die for me". Like a best friend, who betrayed him. And even though they aren't friends anymore, hes still angry about it.

[Kage]

I agree. "He has a lto of nothing to say." Its definetly directed at someone. I think its just anger towards someone, who maybe Maynard was once close to, but they soon grew apart. Or a broken friendship. Like he had something to say, but I soon learned it was just bull s/hit. I think thats wut its about. "you claimed all this time that you wold die for me". Like a best friend, who betrayed him. And even though they aren't friends anymore, hes still angry about it.

Exactly. It's like someone who kept talking about his loyalty (*or whatever he was talking about, I don't know*) "you claimed all this time that you would die for me" but then he can't back it up "Why then are you so surprised when you hear your own eulogy?" In other words, someone who talked a lot but couldn't back up what he said: "He had a lot to say, he had a lot of nothing to say."

Some people say it's a memoir for the comedian, Bill Hicks. But I like the above explanation better.

[deadohiosky9]

Exactly. It's like someone who kept talking about his loyalty (*or whatever he was talking about, I don't know*) "you claimed all this time that you would die for me" but then he can't back it up "Why then are you so surprised when you hear your own eulogy?" In other words, someone who talked a lot but couldn't back up what he said: "He had a lot to say, he had a lot of nothing to say."

Some people say it's a memoir for the comedian, Bill Hicks. But I like the above explanation better.

Ya. A bull s.hitter. It could be a politician. THey say a lot of things they can'tb ack up or do. Who knows. I think it could just be a friend of his. I really don't think its Bill Hicks. Because Bill Hicks didn't have a lot of nothing to say, he had a lto of something to say, and I know tool feels the same way. They would be angry at his death, but not like Eulogy says. So I don't think its baout him. I like the above explanation as well.

[jinxed_nz]

Jinxed, the cover didn't send to you. It could be becuase ur using hotmail, u have ne thing else? I'll invite you to gmail. I need your name though.

Oh umm.. yeah okay send it to jinxedland@yahoo.com that should work! Sorry for being a bit late with the reply. Ive been a bit buys :upset:

[deadohiosky9]

Oh umm.. yeah okay send it to jinxedland@yahoo.com that should work! Sorry for being a bit late with the reply. Ive been a bit buys :upset:

Sent.

[deadohiosky9]

Ok it didn't work. Its too big. Do you want an invite to gmail?

[Matter]

Best thread ever. I'm a "Huge T00L" fan seen them 6 times wish I would have been in this post 70-some odd pages ago lol...good stuff. I remember my first time seeing T00L live at lalopalooza (sp) with snoop dog, korn and the marly bros and a lot more. It was in 97 during the aemina tour and he was still using his Sonor live!!! I was blown away at the sound quality and musicianship of the whole band. Man has thier music inspired me and brought me out of really low times in my life...I swear putting on some quality headphones and sitting there with your eyes closed and T00L jamming can do wonders. Danny is one of my favorite drummers in world and has kept me playing drums even when I wanted to give up.
Anyways if anyone is interested I have a cover of THE PATIENT at this site...no singer yet cuase we all know no one can sound like him...I also play drums on all the songs at the site except for the first two songs(which I will soon) and the last one. And if anyone else has any tunes/art you would like to share that have been inspired by T00L we would all love to see/hear as well.(cough cough stagefrightken and your sweet kit).
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/markmattermusic.htm

[TOOLphreak_46and2]

Best thread ever. I'm a "Huge T00L" fan seen them 6 times wish I would have been in this post 70-some odd pages ago lol...good stuff.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/markmattermusic.htm



Welcome!WW i myself am also a very huge TOOL fan! i believe u and i will get along quite well! if you want to i have Yahoo and AIM so....hit me up sumtime and ill give them to u cuz i would really like to speak with you! i hope you enjoyed the thread as much as i did!!! lOuD iS lOvE!!!!! :thumb:

[clearvision]

Whats with the bumpage of all the old posts :( I think Eulogy is about 'martyrs' in general. Who'se (not a word i know, but this is the intranet, no-one cares) aim is to be a martyr and gain respect and not just to benefit the worl. This, of course, is a false image given out by the person and this song is to point it out.

What connection this has to Bill hicks, I do not know. But it's dedicated to him. Like most of the Aenima album.

[big]

schism off of laterus has to be there greatest song ever

[jamesclelland]

my favorite song off lateralus has to be lateralis. the whole meaning of the song is exactly where i'm at right now, i just may be aiming too high.

[TheSubtleArts]

i like the grudge, the patient and schism from lateralus. schism is probly my favorite.

[horseypie]

reflection is an awesome song, and the three songs fit together heaps well (disposition, reflection,triad)...even tho reflection starts off heaps slow it gets heaps kool and spiritual...i love it. but lateralus is my favourite tool song, and the album is my favourite too....its heaps arty and moody. i love it

[deadohiosky9]

Whats with the bumpage of all the old posts :( I think Eulogy is about 'martyrs' in general. Who'se (not a word i know, but this is the intranet, no-one cares) aim is to be a martyr and gain respect and not just to benefit the worl. This, of course, is a false image given out by the person and this song is to point it out.

What connection this has to Bill hicks, I do not know. But it's dedicated to him. Like most of the Aenima album.

I think it could be dedicated to Bill Hicks, because he shared that same opinion on false images or something of that sort. I think people take it like its aimed at Bill Hicks, as opposed to in honor of him and his opinions. I think it could be about martyrs too, people trying ot be martyrs, when they really aren't, and they aren't benfeiting society. "Why then are you surprised when you hear your own Eulogy?"-- i think thats right, can't quite remember. That could be saying, you know that you were gonna die, you wanted to be a martryr didnt you. I'm gonna post an interpratation of Eulogy.

[Magicaltroll]

to the guy who posted the patient cover
thats a pretty awesome cover... i thought it was the real song for a few seconds.....
but very good man, and welcome to the forums man :thumb:

[FpLiOnYkD]

Best thread ever. I'm a "Huge T00L" fan seen them 6 times wish I would have been in this post 70-some odd pages ago lol...good stuff. I remember my first time seeing T00L live at lalopalooza (sp) with snoop dog, korn and the marly bros and a lot more. It was in 97 during the aemina tour and he was still using his Sonor live!!! I was blown away at the sound quality and musicianship of the whole band. Man has thier music inspired me and brought me out of really low times in my life...I swear putting on some quality headphones and sitting there with your eyes closed and T00L jamming can do wonders. Danny is one of my favorite drummers in world and has kept me playing drums even when I wanted to give up.
Anyways if anyone is interested I have a cover of THE PATIENT at this site...no singer yet cuase we all know no one can sound like him...I also play drums on all the songs at the site except for the first two songs(which I will soon) and the last one. And if anyone else has any tunes/art you would like to share that have been inspired by T00L we would all love to see/hear as well.(cough cough stagefrightken and your sweet kit).
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/markmattermusic.htm

:thumb: Sick cover! I'm a huge fan too, and I have to say that is the best cover I have heard (of the patient) .

[youll_remember_me]

this holy gift that tool has gotten us all to see and understand, is to think for our selves. we are all one mind. one individuall mind, that shouldnt be told what not to do, but to have boundaries, these boudaries are made up in our own minds. when you hold that knife up to another kid, you argue with your self, and hopefully, talk your self out of stabbing him. i thank tool, and you should too, for with out them i dont think id have the amount of respect that i have for life. i think we all feel what tool is doing through there music, even if we are rendered unable to express it though words, soon speech and leterature will be obsolete, and there will be nothing but one mind. we are eternal, all this pain is an illusion......we are menat to think, if we dont, we mite aswell be dead.
just my thoughts...

[EonBlueApocalypse]

Wow, nice thread/post man! I kinda had an idea Tool were a really deep band, but I've never really been absolutely in love with them enough to get that much out of their songs. I've heared Maynard in a couple of interviews, and he sounds like a pretty philosophical guy. I think I'll hafta buy some of their albums and check out their lyrics, etc.

I hope this post hasn't been spam.

getting deeper into the lyrical and musical meanings of the tool songs makes them just that much more interesting. i suggest looking into it if it interests you.

[Kage]

reflection is an awesome song, and the three songs fit together heaps well (disposition, reflection,triad)...even tho reflection starts off heaps slow it gets heaps kool and spiritual...i love it. but lateralus is my favourite tool song, and the album is my favourite too....its heaps arty and moody. i love it

I love Reflection, it's an amazing song that doesn't seem to get much credit from what I hear. I also think Lateralus is my favorite Tool song/albu. W00t

[deadohiosky9]

That was a really good Patient cover. My band is working on 4 Degrees right now.

[deadohiosky9]

this holy gift that tool has gotten us all to see and understand, is to think for our selves. we are all one mind. one individuall mind, that shouldnt be told what not to do, but to have boundaries, these boudaries are made up in our own minds. when you hold that knife up to another kid, you argue with your self, and hopefully, talk your self out of stabbing him. i thank tool, and you should too, for with out them i dont think id have the amount of respect that i have for life. i think we all feel what tool is doing through there music, even if we are rendered unable to express it though words, soon speech and leterature will be obsolete, and there will be nothing but one mind. we are eternal, all this pain is an illusion......we are menat to think, if we dont, we mite aswell be dead.
just my thoughts...

Right on! I feel the same way. Tool has influenced me, and taught me to think for myself and question authority. And for that I am very thankful.

[Dancin' Man]

My band hates Tool. I am the only fan. Then again, I'm also the only one who listens to any metal at all and the only prog the rest of my band touches is The Mars Volta and Dredg.

[an_underused_memory]

Thankyou one and all, for my time in the tool threads, its been an interesting 55-odd pages since I arrived, but now that most of the same stuff keeps coming up, I'm going to bid you farewell.
Keep analysing - sometimes maynard's "over-analysing" line has been intpreted to mean that we should NEVER analyise anything, ever. Its just a matter of realising when to stop, and that we can't affix a defintive meaning to everything. Its like a bike - take it apart to learn about, but just remember how to put the pieces back together!
I'm sure I'll be drawn back to visit now and then...but keep up the intelligent discussion in the meantime, toolers...and APCers and PLCers etc etc
Keep the peace!
cheers - joe(a_U_M)

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Best thread ever. I'm a "Huge T00L" fan seen them 6 times wish I would have been in this post 70-some odd pages ago lol...good stuff. I remember my first time seeing T00L live at lalopalooza (sp) with snoop dog, korn and the marly bros and a lot more. It was in 97 during the aemina tour and he was still using his Sonor live!!! I was blown away at the sound quality and musicianship of the whole band. Man has thier music inspired me and brought me out of really low times in my life...I swear putting on some quality headphones and sitting there with your eyes closed and T00L jamming can do wonders. Danny is one of my favorite drummers in world and has kept me playing drums even when I wanted to give up.
Anyways if anyone is interested I have a cover of THE PATIENT at this site...no singer yet cuase we all know no one can sound like him...I also play drums on all the songs at the site except for the first two songs(which I will soon) and the last one. And if anyone else has any tunes/art you would like to share that have been inspired by T00L we would all love to see/hear as well.(cough cough stagefrightken and your sweet kit).
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/markmattermusic.htm

I swear i've heard that cover on here before. Did you post it in another forum at some point?

Also, i notice a lot of people are stopping their regular postings here since of repetition. That i can agree on, but at the moment ther really isnt a lot new to talk about with tool. I will keep posting up any news related to tool that I can dig up (if anyone hasnt checked out my last link with Adam's full set up, I urge you to do so now)

But apart from that, all this thread is good for at the moment is asking tool related questions, and continuing the theme about learning/adapting their songs

(and trust me, I aint going anywhere :thumb: )

[deadohiosky9]

I swear i've heard that cover on here before. Did you post it in another forum at some point?

Also, i notice a lot of people are stopping their regular postings here since of repetition. That i can agree on, but at the moment ther really isnt a lot new to talk about with tool. I will keep posting up any news related to tool that I can dig up (if anyone hasnt checked out my last link with Adam's full set up, I urge you to do so now)

But apart from that, all this thread is good for at the moment is asking tool related questions, and continuing the theme about learning/adapting their songs

(and trust me, I aint going anywhere :thumb: )

A link on Adam's full setup?? Did I miss this?????

[deadohiosky9]

O nvm.

[TheMachineRagesOn]

Hmm ill try and post a list of Justin/Pauls set up

ill be back

[Lateralias]

I love Reflection, it's an amazing song that doesn't seem to get much credit from what I hear. I also think Lateralus is my favorite Tool song/albu. W00t

Reflection is one my top favorite Tool songs, but its beauty only shines through if you listen to Disposition/Reflection/Triad in that order, since they flow really well and sound good next to each other... or at least I think they do. :)

[G_Mac07]

Most people think they sound best in that order, which was probably the biggest downfall in the whole alternate track order for Lateralus thing. Anyway, I'm just listening to Message To Harry Manback, and I want to know whats with the birds in the background?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

http://guitargeek.com/rigview/593/

A more in depth list of Adam's set up, rather than pictures of his 100+ pedals.

Although im not too sure if this is accurate, the amps look correct, but I was convinced that Adam used a Morely wah? As well as this, there are a few things not lsited that he uses, but they are slightly more bizzare and probably not up for sale at most guitar stores

[Otherside]

I have that Wah pedal :D

[TheMachineRagesOn]

I dont know exactly, id say its enhace the satirical side of things (the piano etc)

I dont know..

[jamesclelland]

I like the fact that justin isn't afraid to use a whammy and wah pedal. the only bassist i've heard that uses a whammy.

[The JoZ]

I have never heard Justin use a Wah pedal.

He makes very good use of the Whammy, however.

[TheSubtleArts]

yea i like the bass whammy

[deadohiosky9]

I have never heard Justin use a Wah pedal.

He makes very good use of the Whammy, however.

I believe he uses one in The Patient, the intro.

[deadohiosky9]

http://guitargeek.com/rigview/593/

A more in depth list of Adam's set up, rather than pictures of his 100+ pedals.

Although im not too sure if this is accurate, the amps look correct, but I was convinced that Adam used a Morely wah? As well as this, there are a few things not lsited that he uses, but they are slightly more bizzare and probably not up for sale at most guitar stores

Yeah I've seen that one. He has quite the expensive setup.

[omgwtfboogie]

I like the fact that justin isn't afraid to use a whammy and wah pedal. the only bassist i've heard that uses a whammy.
Then you've never heard Claypool.

[jamesclelland]

Then you've never heard Claypool.

I haven't, what kind of music are they?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I haven't, what kind of music are they?

Its not a band. Its the basist Les Claypool from Primus, whom im more confident you will have heard of

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

I have never heard Justin use a Wah pedal.


The Patient intro has it.

[jamesclelland]

any tips for the stinkfist solo, i cant make it sound right, ive tried everything.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

any tips for the stinkfist solo, i cant make it sound right, ive tried everything.

Use flange. Practice your alternative picking and work up the speed.

Let each note ring out. On distortion setting, it sounds a mess, but increase the amount of flange and it begins to sound correct. Just adjust till you find the correct level. Then find the ideal fret position for the muted parts (i find a different spot on every guitar) and you have all you need for the solo.

Any more help needed for that song, post here. I love playing that song :D

[jamesclelland]

thanks man, my flangers a little different from most peoples but, i'll make it work.

[Otherside]

AJG, can you send me a Black Mages, song, Your avatar reminded me to ask you. Think you could send me J E N O V A?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Easier method, you can download any of their last album tracks from here (http://www.geocities.com/akai_sakura/TBM/downloads.html)

(I like the fact that you knew where to leave a message where I was likely to see it :lol: )

[Otherside]

Easier method, you can download any of their last album tracks from here (http://www.geocities.com/akai_sakura/TBM/downloads.html)

(I like the fact that you knew where to leave a message where I was likely to see it :lol: )


Ok thanks. And yah I figured you'd see this first than anything else :cool:

[Kage]

What are your settings for his distortion on Stinkfist? I can't seem to get it to sound right. And also, doesn't he use more flanger during the solo parts than during the rest of the song?

[clearvision]

What are the chances of tool being at download people?

Oh and AJIG <3 for the nomination in 100 best...my only 1 :upset:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Sinc eim using the built in effects with the Marshall MG30DFX, cant help too much, my setting is about a 1/3 of the way round on the dial. I tend to use the same amount for the intro riff as for the solo.

The way i play it is

Intro : ON
Muted part: Off
Chours: OFF
Solo: ON
Rest Of Song: OFF

[Adam Jones is GOD]

What are the chances of tool being at download people?

Oh and AJIG <3 for the nomination in 100 best...my only 1 :upset:

You needed it, as i can now say i was the first nomination in that thread :thumb:

Chances at being at download, 50/50. Although all my hopes rest on it.

They havent played Donnington for 3 years now. not that it means anything, but really, they could be a front runner for headliner. Who else would really headline it?

[clearvision]

SOAD? Mudvayne?

That is my wish anyway. I will actually be able to go this year, i think AS' are earlier than GCSE's...No science exam getting in the way of my festival this year!

[Adam Jones is GOD]

SOAD maybe. Mudvayne, no. They didnt do too well in 2003 when they played the 2pm slot.

I just hope the lne up is better in general this year. Last year had some amazing bands, and then lots of crappy filler. Least the Game On stage was consistent.

I went during my AS levels and A levels, and got lucky with the timing for both

[clearvision]

Slayer = crappy filler :lol:

My plan would be to go see a band i like...then take a trip to the toilet, before downing a few beers, and making my way to the next band hehe

[Adam Jones is GOD]

There is a good amount to see at Download normally. Last year we had the Game On skate bowl (mild amusement).

2003 we had the Lesbian R rated show on top of a Knight Rider style car, which 'made' us miss Sepeltura.


But if tool went, i would spend all weekend sitting down awaiting their sunday evening headlining set.

[fallen angel2121]

Quick question:

I'm gonna write a CD for a friend who says hes interested in hearing some Tool. What should I put on a standard 700MB CD, I only have access to Aenima, Lateralus and the tracks Sober, Undertow and Opiate.

Thanks guys,

Fallen Angel

[clearvision]

All of what you have acess to...burn it as a data cd..

[tomxwithxweather]

hmmm...

I think Eulogy is about people standing up over everyone, with a voice so high and a meaning so strong, that he affects the weaker crowd to follow him and his opinion..

which could be L. Ron Hubbard, tool even talks about their dislike of him in Ænema "**** L Ron Hubbard and **** all his clones."

[SonorKen]

hahaha yea, I just thought of that. I was actually coming back here to delete my post and tell everyone to vote for the Iron Maiden song hahaha.

GO VOTE MAIDEN!

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273938

[Refl]

hahaha yea, I just thought of that. I was actually coming back here to delete my post and tell everyone to vote for the Iron Maiden song hahaha.

GO VOTE MAIDEN!

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273938





Ken is the any way you can send me any recordings of you're band?
Espicially if you have one of your tool covers. :D

[<mIkE>]

Any one know when new tool cd's comin?????????????????

[Kage]

Ken, unless you edit the poll, I'm afraid it looks like that song's out now. ;)

Anyway...if there's only one Tool song in the final 10, that's got a better chance of going through, right? All the Metallica, Maiden and Floyd fans are going to be REALLY split on which song to vote for.


yeah, that's true... I know where my vote's going.

[Kage]

Quick question:

I'm gonna write a CD for a friend who says hes interested in hearing some Tool. What should I put on a standard 700MB CD, I only have access to Aenima, Lateralus and the tracks Sober, Undertow and Opiate.

Thanks guys,

Fallen Angel

Depending on what music he normally listens to, I'd go with Aenima as an introductory CD. If he's into more progressive stuff then give him Lateralus, either works in my experience.

[Dancin' Man]

That was my logic on that poll. I voted Parabola, did you?

[Kage]

yep

[TOOLphreak_46and2]

hey! what do ya'll think of the song Third Eye??? i think its an AWESOME song! for some odd reason whenever i listen to the part where he sings..."so good to see u once again........" i just wanna break down! it sounds SO fvcking mad/sic/nasty! i love it! just give me your thoughts...i would really appreciate it!!! thanks!!!! lOuD iS lOvE!!!

.......watch the weather change.........

[Det_Nosnip]

which could be L. Ron Hubbard, tool even talks about their dislike of him in Ænema "**** L Ron Hubbard and **** all his clones."

Really? I missed that reference. Good for them, I hate Scientology...bunch of ****in' wackos IMO, and I generally tend to be pretty open minded towards New Religious Movements.

[Lateralias]

hey! what do ya'll think of the song Third Eye??? i think its an AWESOME song! for some odd reason whenever i listen to the part where he sings..."so good to see u once again........" i just wanna break down! it sounds SO fvcking mad/sic/nasty! i love it! just give me your thoughts...i would really appreciate it!!! thanks!!!! lOuD iS lOvE!!!

.......watch the weather change.........

Third Eye is one of Tool's earlier epic songs. One of the top 3 songs on Aenima. I love the effects in it, and the lyrics are fantastic as usual with Tool. Underrated song, or maybe just overlooked at times.

[Lateralias]

That was my logic on that poll. I voted Parabola, did you?

Sure did. :thumb:

[UnDeRoAtHfAn777]

What would be a good first album from them??

[Magicaltroll]

Third Eye is one of Tool's earlier epic songs. One of the top 3 songs on Aenima. I love the effects in it, and the lyrics are fantastic as usual with Tool. Underrated song, or maybe just overlooked at times.
i know i often overlook that song.... because its 13 min. haha and i just dont have that much time sometimes

[deadohiosky9]

i know i often overlook that song.... because its 13 min. haha and i just dont have that much time sometimes

I overlooked Third Eye for quite sometime. Mainly because of its length. But I just recently realized how great that song is. Its amazing.

[I_Love_JimmyPage]

I absolutely love everything Tool does, they are one of the most creative, eminent, stupendous, and well, just plain awesome bands ever. Maynard is a living legend, I'm in love with him you could say. "Third Eye" is a outstanding song, the way it's put together is perfect, he begining, the lovely way he sings, "so good to see you once again....", all the way up to the ending with "PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE!" One of my favorite songs by Tool would have to be "Reflection", the music, his voice, and the words he sings are all so beautifully melancholy.

And to restate the question posted by mIKE, does anyone know exactally when the new Tool dc will be coming out....i heard sometime around the end of December....i hope soon!

-Brookey

[bubba1403]

i think eulogy was written about someones pointless life, and all the empty words that this man said. It sounds like a person speaking, well, someones eulogy, and saying how useless their life was but that they were still gonna miss him. Sounds like the guy used to be a preacher of some kind, using the fire and brimstone approach, blaming everybody for their mistakes, but not mentioning his own....
hmmm...

I think Eulogy is about people standing up over everyone, with a voice so high and a meaning so strong, that he affects the weaker crowd to follow him and his opinion..

[niobium]

third eye is grand, but i favor the live version on salival just a little more. the only thing that would have added to the live version that i feel i was a little disappointed was at the end where maynard says ,"prying open my third eye", he didn't continue it over and over like he did the the studio version. otherwise the live > studio (but just by a little bit)

[I_Love_JimmyPage]

I would have to agree, i usually favor live versions of songs...they seem to have much more spirit and energy. "Maynard's Dick" is such an awesome song at the end of "Salival" Maynard's voice in that song is absolutely breathtaking...its so very different, but then again Tool is never predictable. Who knows what their new cd will be like...i'm sure it will be wonderful. I can't wait till it comes out....can you??

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

*cough* always looking for live tool stuff

Aim:PulkPullRevDoors
Email: pulkpullrevolvingdoors@gmail.com

If anyone (if you can that is) send me salival stuff I would be extremally appreciative

[kolin666]

does any1 no where to get salival??? a hav bn searching for ages and nuthin

[SonorKen]

Ebay, plan on spending 75 to 100 bucks for a copy of it.

[kolin666]

a aint spendin that much, even tho a aint 2 sure how much 75 bucks is in £

[Adam Jones is GOD]

i got it for £20 in a music store in Nottingham. It was burtied at the back of the tool section in a plastic envelope. The real deal was kept behind the counter in a safe.

Expect to be aying about £30 - £70 for it

[jamesclelland]

i think eulogy was written about someones pointless life, and all the empty words that this man said. It sounds like a person speaking, well, someones eulogy, and saying how useless their life was but that they were still gonna miss him. Sounds like the guy used to be a preacher of some kind, using the fire and brimstone approach, blaming everybody for their mistakes, but not mentioning his own....

what says that it's about any particular person. the reply above didn't label one person, yet many other people in all 80 pages seem to say it's about Hicks, Hubbard, or Jesus. Though it's good to analyze things, especially tool, remember maynard saying "over thinking over analyzing seperates the body from the mind" basically what i'm saying is it's fine to dig into maynards lyrics and find a meaning, but there is a point where some people go to far and they make fools of themselves.

sorry if i pissed anyone off, but i havent seen anyone state anything like that yet. and the truth needs to be heard.

[StigmaShadow]

I was told Third Eye was about the death of Bill Hicks. And using psychadelics (Phosphorescent Desert Buttons). As for Eulogy I think it's about "jesus". Though I can't prove it... Where he say's "Standing above the crowd. He had a voice that was strong and loud. I swallowed his facade, cause I'm so eager to identify with someone above the crowd, someone who seemed to feel the same, someone prepeared to the lead way, and someone who would die for me." He's telling mainly Jesus has proposed to lead them in the right direction... "Swallowed his facade". Saying I suppose that he knows he was lying, but he has nothing else to believe in... Sounds odd. I can't explain well... Drug addict for you, laff... But Salival is a great album.. I just got it three nights ago.. I love Pu****... The guitar intro is simple but harmonically perfect... His voice is by far one of the best... I like the sample at the beginning of Third Eye. Part of Me is alright... Can someone else tell me which other song's are good? By track number? This band has worked so hard... When people compliment or tell them they adore him... He only says something like "We're showing you that you can do this too." -No one- can do what Tool has done... They are the wisest band I know of... :chug:

[G_Mac07]

Very nice for a first post:thumb:

[jamesclelland]

track 5 and 7 on salival are amazing. both covers, one is of justins previous band where he played guitar. that is called you lied, though it sounds nothing like the original, it's a thousand times better. same with track 7. Old zeppelin masterpiece no quater. they made zeppelin look like a bunch of newbies. new vamps and upgraded solos, they added about 5 minutes to it and every minute added is absolutely necessary.

[Expresso]

I disagree. Tool didn't do it any better than Zeppelin, but they did offer a very new take on it. I woulda liked it better if Maynard hadn't covered his voice with effects for a good part of the song.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Tool version, but you can't really compare it IMO. Zeppelin were not newbies...

[Lateralias]

I disagree. Tool didn't do it any better than Zeppelin, but they did offer a very new take on it. I woulda liked it better if Maynard hadn't covered his voice with effects for a good part of the song.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Tool version, but you can't really compare it IMO. Zeppelin were not newbies...

I thought Tool's version smashed the original, but that doesn't mean I'm saying Zeppelin's version is horrible. Before I heard Tool's cover, I thought No Quarter was a really awesome song, but Tool just completely remodified it and added all their unique signature elements of songwriting and turned it into an even more amazing song, which is why I prefer Tool's over Zeppelin's.

[The JoZ]

I have honestly never heard the original No Quarter. So I don't compare it to the original, I just simply state Tool did a great cover of it, because the song is great :thumb:

[dapinkobo]

hi guys, i am a huge fan of tool. right now i dont really have anything to say about there songs, but i was wondering if you know when they are going to get back together. i heard a rumer that they are set to release a new album in the new year. is thsis true? by the way, some really good reviews and thoughts on tool....

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

Try looking on nearly every other page

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I have honestly never heard the original No Quarter. So I don't compare it to the original, I just simply state Tool did a great cover of it, because the song is great :thumb:

The original is a lot different. It uses some odd tones, and Plant's voice has effects dubbed over in parts. Its less 'rock' than normal Zeppelin stuff.

Incidently, im pretty sure its not even a led song, and it was one that came about when Page and Plant re united for their little project. Can someone confirm this for me?

As for the You Lied cover, i have Peach's album, and their oriinal was more raw sounding, and quicker. Adam slowed down the guitar parts for tool's version, andremoved notes to give it more of a sustaining effect. But both are great in their different moods

(if you want to hear the original, let me know, most of you have my Gmail address, if not, post here and ill send you it)

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

please send it to me, and if possible the tool one too

pulkpullrevolvingdoors@gmail.com

[clearvision]

AJIG, is the peach album anygood? Worth checking out etc? send me you lied please... robertchapman88@gmail.com

[Iron Man]

The original is a lot different. It uses some odd tones, and Plant's voice has effects dubbed over in parts. Its less 'rock' than normal Zeppelin stuff.

Incidently, im pretty sure its not even a led song, and it was one that came about when Page and Plant re united for their little project. Can someone confirm this for me?

As for the You Lied cover, i have Peach's album, and their oriinal was more raw sounding, and quicker. Adam slowed down the guitar parts for tool's version, andremoved notes to give it more of a sustaining effect. But both are great in their different moods

(if you want to hear the original, let me know, most of you have my Gmail address, if not, post here and ill send you it)

I'm pretty sure it is, because I think I saw it on the Latter Days CD (Geatest Hits disc 2)

I have the Remasters, and unfortunately, No Quater isn't on there :/

[kolin666]

hi guys, i am a huge fan of tool. right now i dont really have anything to say about there songs, but i was wondering if you know when they are going to get back together. i heard a rumer that they are set to release a new album in the new year. is thsis true? by the way, some really good reviews and thoughts on tool....

they never split, but they started writing for the new album(minus maynard) as he was touring with perfect circle, but wen he finishd they got his input then headed to recordin

[Adam Jones is GOD]

AJIG, is the peach album anygood? Worth checking out etc? send me you lied please... robertchapman88@gmail.com

Sent :thumb:

And to the other guy too

[jamesclelland]

Houses of the Holy has no quater. released soon after 4 if i'm not mistaken.

1973 to be exact

[kolin666]

track 7, 7 mins exact

[clearvision]

Sent :thumb:

And to the other guy too

Cheers :thumb:

Listening as i type, sounds good so far (Vox haven't kicked in yet)...Um ok the vox are different lol, kinda reminds me of robert smith (the cure) it's kinda flat and monotonous(is that the word?) but it sounds like it grows on ya. Instrumentation is cool though, sounds alot like tool to me. Whats the rest of the album like? Is this one of the better songs?

[The JoZ]

they never split, but they started writing for the new album(minus maynard) as he was touring with perfect circle, but wen he finishd they got his input then headed to recordin

Justin, Danny and Adam started writing music, and would send it to Maynard, and Maynard would send them lyrics and stuff back. It was a back-and-forth endeavor between the band, but now that APC's touring is done, it is presumed Maynard is back w/ Tool working with them full time.

[jensmatty]

I dont think they have... APC was done in the break between the albums when they had a disagreement with the record company wasn't it? i can't really remember it's late haha.

[TheMachineRagesOn]

umm no quarter is on the 2nd disc man, and yeh i encourage everyone to buy how the west was one led zeppelins live 3 disc set. Awesome

i know its not about tool but hey, its led zeppelin

[jamesclelland]

Cheers :thumb:

Listening as i type, sounds good so far (Vox haven't kicked in yet)...Um ok the vox are different lol, kinda reminds me of robert smith (the cure) it's kinda flat and monotonous(is that the word?) but it sounds like it grows on ya. Instrumentation is cool though, sounds alot like tool to me. Whats the rest of the album like? Is this one of the better songs?

all the songs on houses of the holy are good. go buy it man. if your a zeppelin fan it will not let you down.
song remains the same especially.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

all the songs on houses of the holy are good. go buy it man. if your a zeppelin fan it will not let you down.
song remains the same especially.

Not The Crunge...*shudders*

[clearvision]

all the songs on houses of the holy are good. go buy it man. if your a zeppelin fan it will not let you down.
song remains the same especially.

Talking about Peach.

[Bumpy]

Bump :thumb:

[jamesclelland]

Talking about Peach.

sorry, heard a little of that one, didn't like too much.

[rhcp_deftones_fan]

Ok I have a question about A Perfect Circle. Who is the chick in these pictures?
http://www.theaquarian.com/articles/images/i_perfectcircle.jpg
http://bestmusicpoll.com/bmp2k1/images/circle.gif

[rhcp_deftones_fan]

Nevermind I know who she is. She's Paz Lenchantin.

[JRA1321]

Ok I have a question about A Perfect Circle. Who is the chick in these pictures?
http://www.theaquarian.com/articles/images/i_perfectcircle.jpg
http://bestmusicpoll.com/bmp2k1/images/circle.gif

Yah that was the bass player for APC. Still plays bass in some songs.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Have they ever done that kind of thing on previous albums? It just seems to be a really fragmented way of recording, if that's how they normally do it, although I guess it seems to work for them...

Lateralus was wrote like that. And it came out ok as we know

[Sleeper]

Tool base all there songs and meanings around tim leary,lachrymology, and manyards past expierences.

[Magicaltroll]

I disagree. Tool didn't do it any better than Zeppelin, but they did offer a very new take on it. I woulda liked it better if Maynard hadn't covered his voice with effects for a good part of the song.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Tool version, but you can't really compare it IMO. Zeppelin were not newbies...
thats why i like when they cover songs or change songs (example- the emotive album had some very interesting approaches to the songs on it, no quarter, salival version of pushi.t). i really enjoy listening to the covers tool did on salival. emotive was ok too, i wasnt to into it though.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Tool base all there songs and meanings around tim leary,lachrymology, and manyards past expierences.

And anal love

and Enchonian

and religion

and numerous other things. Its not fair to classify that they stick to a set amount of topics.

Next album, Maynard may start writing about how his high school girlfriends left him, and how his parents abused him..........thats right guys...





TOOL IS GOING EMO!

[jamesclelland]

what? tool is not emo. They write using metaphors. not about anal fisting about desensetizing. Not about jesus about anyone who has done that sort of thing. to say tool is going emo offends me, and i'm thinking you need to s.m.p. look at the lyrics and listen to every song. maynard doesn't let you get away with the meaning of the songs from hearing tool in the background on the radio.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

what? tool is not emo.

Dont panic :lol:

Its the influence that i've got off tool. False information to push for a reaction

I know tool are not emo, thats daft to assume.....





































....they're death metal of course

[clearvision]

....they're death metal of course

:eek: and i thought they were pop-punk :(

What is the rest of the peach album like?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Similar to You Lied. they have their slower songs, their quick songs, and their 'more epic' tracks.

And they do a cover of an unknown old British band (never got signed, dont know the name) called Catfood, which has some very weird lyrics

[deadohiosky9]

And anal love

and Enchonian

and religion

and numerous other things. Its not fair to classify that they stick to a set amount of topics.

Next album, Maynard may start writing about how his high school girlfriends left him, and how his parents abused him..........thats right guys...





TOOL IS GOING EMO!

haha! I think Tool's music is emotional. Songs like H., Pus.hit, just to name 2 that stand out emotionally to me.

[SonorKen]

Tool base all there songs and meanings around tim leary,lachrymology, and manyards past expierences.
Not true at all........

[Bumpy]

Hi. Please don't attack me if these questions have already been answered on here. Just let me know and I'll find them myself.

- When and why did Maynard start using the name 'Maynard'?

- If you think he was molested, which I do, who do you think did it?

- I read on the Tool faq's on their site that Maynard has said in the past that he didn't like his stepfather. Anyone know anymore about that?

- How long was he involved with the mother of his son?

- Do you know anything about his current girlfriend?

Thanks! :p

[ThePatient]

His name is Maynard James Keenan.

I don't anything about the other questions, but if its true, #2 could be linked to #3. Again, I've never heard that so I'm not saying he was.

[The JoZ]

No, his name is James Herbert Keenan. I personally have no idea when he adopted the Maynard moniker, but it is possible he did that so he can try and have a life outside of Tool.

[Uber-Termite]

Hi. Please don't attack me if these questions have already been answered on here. Just let me know and I'll find them myself.

- When and why did Maynard start using the name 'Maynard'?

- If you think he was molested, which I do, who do you think did it?

- I read on the Tool faq's on their site that Maynard has said in the past that he didn't like his stepfather. Anyone know anymore about that?

- How long was he involved with the mother of his son?

- Do you know anything about his current girlfriend?

Thanks! :p
Dont ask questions , just listen
and apreiciate
and love

ALWAYS
DAT is ALL

[Cort2003]

He started calling himself Maynard becuase Maynard is his favorite war hero (he went to military school), I am not sure if he got molested, and I don't know anything about the other questions.

[deadohiosky9]

Hi. Please don't attack me if these questions have already been answered on here. Just let me know and I'll find them myself.

- When and why did Maynard start using the name 'Maynard'?

- If you think he was molested, which I do, who do you think did it?

- I read on the Tool faq's on their site that Maynard has said in the past that he didn't like his stepfather. Anyone know anymore about that?

- How long was he involved with the mother of his son?

- Do you know anything about his current girlfriend?

Thanks! :p

I think his stepfather beat him. And he got "Maynard" from military school. I think if he got molested it was his stepfather. Don't know anything bout Maynard's love life.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I think his stepfather beat him. And he got "Maynard" from military school. I think if he got molested it was his stepfather. Don't know anything bout Maynard's love life.

As far as i know, Maynard is happily married, but this was from hearing things a long time ago (and various groupie friend's personal accounts also say otherwise :thumb: ). We all know that Adam has the coolest wife in any case

(I always thought he got his name from the wine gums, but I think that was just a personal desire, as both rock so hard :D )

[ollivubumssheep]

Tool Are Crap !!! They Couldnt Even Win The Best R&m Song Competion. Stairway To Heaven Is The Best Song Ever!!! Losers!!!

[G_Mac07]

Gee, a well founded and justified post that was...

To give this post a point, over the last weekend I was out having a few drinks, talking about Tool with a mate. Anyway, he had just recently bought Opiate, and he told me that the very first time he listened to it all the way through (no skipping), his cd player switched itself off, which shouldn't have happened, it should have skipped to the next cd. Anyway, he tried doing this again and couldn't get it to happen again. I'm pretty skeptical about it, but was this some trick of Tool's that only occurs the first time the cd is played fully?

[antonmb]

46 and 2 repeats on my CD every once in a while, by itself.

:)

[antonmb]

Tool base all there songs and meanings around tim leary,lachrymology, and manyards past expierences.

Lachrymology is a hoax. :) And so is Tool's belief in it. Maynard is just playing dirty tricks on us.

[Bumpy]

http://www.angelfire.com/band2/AENIMA/pictures.html

You'll know the photo I'm talking about.

[^Dream~Theater^]

Tool Are Crap !!! They Couldnt Even Win The Best R&m Song Competion. Stairway To Heaven Is The Best Song Ever!!! Losers!!!
thank the fanboys on that.

[Radiohead235]

Track: Eulogy
Album: Aenima


This is what the song means to me.. I could be right, I could be wrong.. Usually with TOOL there is no wrong answer. Anyways!

Here is the dictionary Definition of Eulogy:

Eulogy - A laudatory speech or written tribute, especially one praising someone who has died.?


This song can be used towards anyone with power, such as a dictator, president, GOD, etc..
For conversation sake, lets use god. Maynard takes a sarcastic approach in this track, going back and fourth
From being serious, back to sarcastic remarks, lets look at how the song starts

Eulogy Being the bible in this case.


He had alot to say.
He had alot of nothing to say.
We'll miss him.

So long.
We wish you well.
You told us how you weren't afraid to die.
Well then, so long.
Don't cry.
Or feel too down.
Not all martyrs see divinity.
But at least you tried.

Standing above the crowd,
He had a voice that was strong and loud.
We'll miss him.
Ranting and pointing his finger
At everything but his heart.
We'll miss him.


Maynard sets the theme, of someone powerful standing over a crowd.. I picture the time of Christ, people in robes, with god preaching to people hungry for the word of god. Yet all he is saying was just a waste of breath, a waste of time. Hence Not all martyrs see divinity, But at least you tried.â I picture this good ol cartoon act. the devil on one shoulder and an angel on the other, arguing between each other, just for better understanding. Hence he had a lot to say then he had a lot of nothing to say. The last verse make me picture god, because if you have ever read the bible it describes, that no one is perfect, but Christ. ranting and pointing his finger at everything but his heart.


Standing above the crowd,
He had a voice so strong and loud and I
Swallowed his facade cuz I'm so
Eager to identify with
Someone above the ground,
Someone who seemed to feel the same,
Someone prepared to lead the way, with
Someone who would die for me.


Back to the devil/angel theory.. This person is lost, so he looks for someone to lead the way for eternity. Some one that could relate to him. And someone above the ground (all the features of Christ) so this person believes in christ, for help. For guidance, yet he is stabbed in the back rather then being at peace.
Facade, stands for a face of a building as in God shows his face, all beautiful and perfect, but when you enter the building its thrashed and messy


Will you? Will you now?
Would you die for me?
Don't you f*ckin lie.

Don't you step out of line.
Don't you f*ckin lie.


The messy building reflects his lies.. Picture it as if the person has fallen for the beginning message, yet finds out everything he knew or was told were all lies.


Come down.
Get off your f*ckin cross.
We need the f*ckin space to nail the next fool martyr.

To ascend you must die.
You must be crucified
For your sins and your lies.
Goodbye...

I feel this is after he understands that you dont have to be a follower to have eternal happiness. And is somewhat just making fun of the whole situation.

Welp.. there it is hopefully it makes sense, it does to me. And like I has said before I could be totally wrong.

:evil:


I heard it has to do with Henry Rollins. You guys seem to think Tool writes all about God, and I don't believe they do. They may use biblical metaphors, but most of these are about personal things. Stinkfist seems to be about a member of the band taking a brief break from drugs and how that changed his life... I feel that it kind of segues into Eulogy that way. H. also. By the way... H. IS NOT ABOUT HEROIN. Just had to let people know.

[jamesclelland]

I heard it has to do with Henry Rollins. You guys seem to think Tool writes all about God, and I don't believe they do. They may use biblical metaphors, but most of these are about personal things. Stinkfist seems to be about a member of the band taking a brief break from drugs and how that changed his life... I feel that it kind of segues into Eulogy that way. H. also. By the way... H. IS NOT ABOUT HEROIN. Just had to let people know.

Henry Rollins has nothing to do with tool except he does the speech on bottom. Interesting theory on stinkfist though. I haven't heard that one yet, could fit though. i have a theory on H. it's rough, and a complicated song so bear with me.
He has the whole angel and devil thing going here. the snake on one side which tells to do the wrong thing, and his blood(heart, soul whatever you call it) which is obviously saying do it the other way. to me it sounds like a life or death kind of situation. to the point now, i think that he is talking about somebody who is comtemplating suicide and cant decide whether to take the temptation to end this misery now, or whether to stick though it and see whats next. and it seems another view comes up where somebody has left such an impression on him, means so much to him(lover of somekind?), that he just can't do it.
Obviously him and he isn't maynard, but like jimmy where it he gives the impression it's him but really it's for everyone to relate too.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Wow, a lot of great posts on this page......


Right, to the spammer idiot with the R&M song reference, SFK will be with you shortly

As for the post 2 posts above me, it has been said many, many times, NO ONE IS WRONG WITH TOOL LYRIC INTERPRETATIONS! Some may be more bizarre than others, but even when MJK (though he wont) comes out with full meanings to all their songs, it still wont matter, its what people get from the songs.

How would you feel if you were suddenly told the way you live your life was wrong, and you had to change from this day? Thats how some people would feel with lyric interpretations.

I wont argue with your views on their songs, but I will question your objection to others

[Otherside]

Taken from the official Tool website:

"After selecting some samples on the “Deep Violet” electronic drums and adjusting parameters, etc., the band launched into a new song that, at least in my mind, pretty much summed things up about the direction the new record was headed musically. To say that they have taken it up a notch would be an understatement. Several notches, perhaps, might better describe it. This wasn’t just the musical equivalent of terra incognita – this was something borderline Zothyrian, Daedalian in complexity (yet, VERY heavy) with its combination of odd time signatures, dynamics and intricacy of guitar work that was ‘synchronized’ in sections to create those “chromatic tortures” we all love so much. Danny was doing what he does best (better than ever, I might add), and the acoustic drums were combined with lots of electronic samples of dissonant clocks, warped timpani, eruptions of noise and explosions of what sounded like bizarre artillery."


I can't ****ing wait.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I recommend everyone goes and reads that full article

Lets just say 18 minutes is the part that makes me drool the most. And the fact Adam quotes 'we're not finished yet"

Seriously guys, you wanted news, Otherside has found it (seconds before me might I add :D)

[Phantasm]

Please recomend me a good tool album

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Please recomend me a good tool album

QUIET MAN! This is the time for OMG!!!!111!!!one!!!! style posts. Its news about tool at last!




.....but seriously though, Aenima, Lateralus, Undertow, Opiate. Decide from that order. Arguable best to the least essential album, rthough people debate that order

[Otherside]

I recommend everyone goes and reads that full article

Lets just say 18 minutes is the part that makes me drool the most. And the fact Adam quotes 'we're not finished yet"

Seriously guys, you wanted news, Otherside has found it (seconds before me might I add :D)


Yah I would have said more, except I have to go cram for mid-terms >.>
Wish me luck :p

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Good luck.

Thats a good frame of mind to go into an exam situation though :D

[MetallicaRULZ192]

Taken from the official Tool website:

"After selecting some samples on the “Deep Violet” electronic drums and adjusting parameters, etc., the band launched into a new song that, at least in my mind, pretty much summed things up about the direction the new record was headed musically. To say that they have taken it up a notch would be an understatement. Several notches, perhaps, might better describe it. This wasn’t just the musical equivalent of terra incognita – this was something borderline Zothyrian, Daedalian in complexity (yet, VERY heavy) with its combination of odd time signatures, dynamics and intricacy of guitar work that was ‘synchronized’ in sections to create those “chromatic tortures” we all love so much. Danny was doing what he does best (better than ever, I might add), and the acoustic drums were combined with lots of electronic samples of dissonant clocks, warped timpani, eruptions of noise and explosions of what sounded like bizarre artillery."


I can't ****ing wait.


SWEEEEEEEEEEET

[Dancin' Man]

I recommend everyone goes and reads that full article

Lets just say 18 minutes is the part that makes me drool the most. And the fact Adam quotes 'we're not finished yet"

Seriously guys, you wanted news, Otherside has found it (seconds before me might I add :D)

Where?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Where?

www.toolband.com

[Dancin' Man]

I read it. I'm excited. LK is my new favorite song.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Well...after reading all of that it certainly sounds like everyone can look forward to a new album. It'll have to be quite phenomenally good even to meet expectations, but they may just do it.

I trust Blair's judgement with anything tool related. This guy is the unofficial 5th member, and everything he has said about tool has made sense or come true so far. Plus if even Danny is saying its the best he's ever worked on, thats an even better sign.

Now what would be great as a christmas present from Tool is a snippet for the new songs. :thumb:

[deadohiosky9]

I just read that stuff at toolband. I'm excited to hear this new album. It would be awesome if Tool would put like a clip of some new stuff.

[jamesclelland]

I'm wondering why they haven't set an offical release date. Well I have an idea, but I would still to know so I could put a hold on a copy. You know it's gonna sell real ******* fast.

[Dancin' Man]

I'm going to have to start reading the updates more regularly if I want to be able to dibs the new Tool review. It's a race. A race.

[The JoZ]

I'm going to have to start reading the updates more regularly if I want to be able to dibs the new Tool review. It's a race. A race.

I have already dibsed it.

It doesn't necessarily count, since it's so far in advance, but I was the first to actually 'call' it

Don't take it away from me you bastard :angry:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I have already dibsed it.

It doesn't necessarily count, since it's so far in advance, but I was the first to actually 'call' it

Don't take it away from me you bastard :angry:

C'mon guys, we gotta let JoZ have it, in condolence of being robbed for the Justin FA in the Bass Forum.

Besides, since the new CD reviews site is appearing nesxt year, multiple reviews are going to be avalialbe. So we can all show the rest of the forum how a review should be done

[kolin666]

I just bot a tool bag:thumb:

[The JoZ]

C'mon guys, we gotta let JoZ have it, in condolence of being robbed for the Justin FA in the Bass Forum.

Besides, since the new CD reviews site is appearing nesxt year, multiple reviews are going to be avalialbe. So we can all show the rest of the forum how a review should be done


Rep+

I appreciate it

[lucky luciano]

I don't know how many times these songs have been discussed cause i just joined and didn't feel like reading 80 pages but from what ive heard maynard was molested by his dad when he was a kid so i think thats what stinkfist and bottom are all about. i also don't think that opiate is really talking **** about christ, just those who follow blindly and don't take time to question or anything. now eulogy on the other hand is what i think to be a eulogy to christ (obviously).but im sure these songs have been discussed a million times already. but is there any news on the new album? I heard its supposed to be a lot heavier.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Eulogy, 46&2 and Stinkfist seem to have the most debate in this thread for their meanings. I counted at least 3 intelligent descriptions for each one at some point.

The others are eithe self explaniatary, or we all agree on to this point

[jamesclelland]

i just got tickets to the melvins, and jello biafra w/ adam jones. are these shows good? does adam play a lot or just come out for a song or two?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

i just got tickets to the melvins, and jello biafra w/ adam jones. are these shows good? does adam play a lot or just come out for a song or two?

This the New years bash i was reading about? I dont know, since its a US only thing everytime (anger here over the other side of the pond)

But the Melvins alone is good enough for me