Tool

[Prince of Darkness]

ha. that's funny. Tool really knows how to make people argue about useless sh!t.

[Kurrpt]

ha. that's funny. Tool really knows how to make people argue about useless sh!t.

If you really dissect/examine any arguement, you'll find this to be true.

[ThePatient]

I dont relate his lyrics to anything, cause i could give a **** less what he says. I only listen to tool for the music.
You and me both. :chug:

[Syncratic]

I usually like to go beyond the song and see the internal message, but listening for the music is the way to go!

[Feign]

wow u r from india? r u indian?

yes, i am from india and yes, i am indian.

and stink fist is not about anal fisting my friends. it uses the metaphor of fist ****ing as compared to breaking through, or passing into something, being taken over by something.

cheers,

feign.

p.s- i agree, tool does know how to make people argue about useless ****, but then again "On a long enough timeline, everything is pointless" - Maynard James of Tool.

[Prince of Darkness]

Yah, but the hidden meanings in the songs make it even more worth while to listen to. The hidden messages Tool tend to put in the songs are very interesting as it gives us a taste of what their views on common subjects are. I like that.

[Syncratic]

yes, i am from india and yes, i am indian.

and stink fist is not about anal fisting my friends. it uses the metaphor of fist ****ing as compared to breaking through, or passing into something, being taken over by something.

cheers,

feign.

I like you, alot.

:thumb:

[Feign]

Ænima is possibly the best tool album indeed. But the thing you've gotta love about tool is their exploration with albums. Each album focuses on a specific theme and the songs of that album just simply break down those themes making it more explanatory; eg: Opiate- "Question Authority" or Lateralus- "Reconciliation/Thinking outside the lines (Lateral thinking)". Through Tool's music we get a different perspective about life as a whole. Tool is definately one of the best bands to ever exist as it gives science, psycology, philosophy a sound.

Feign.

i've mentioned it before, and i just want to say it again.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

You know, I'm watching this video of Maynard interviews, and I'm not exactly sure what he means by something. He says that he's only 1/4th of the importance of the band and I agree with that. He seems to have a problem with people looking at the lyrics, though. What I mean is, he says every song has a type of emotion and the lyrics are just there to reinforce that idea, and that they aren't that important. What I don't get is how he couldn't consider the lyrics as important as the rest of the music. When I hear their songs, it's the lyrics that are basically narrating the emotion and the music (which includes the vocal melodies) is acting out the emotion, so isn't it just as important? Without the lyrics, I might get a completely different vibe from a song. I probably just misinterpreted what he said.

[clearvision]

He is saying there is 4 people in the band, he is just one of the 4. And just as important as danny, adam or justin.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Yeah, I know that, but what I'm saying is, why doesn't he want people to think about the lyrics too much? The lyrics help me further understand what the music is trying to say. I would never listen to a song with great lyrics and terrible music because I consider the music to be more important, but music can't be about something, it can only express a feeling. The lyrics are needed to express what a song is about. Did that make sense?

[Knifeboy]

That guy who did the oklahoma Tool bootleg is working on a multi angle, Dredg bootleg with great sound.. It's gonna be sooo :cool:

[Feign]

You know, I'm watching this video of Maynard interviews, and I'm not exactly sure what he means by something. He says that he's only 1/4th of the importance of the band and I agree with that. He seems to have a problem with people looking at the lyrics, though. What I mean is, he says every song has a type of emotion and the lyrics are just there to reinforce that idea, and that they aren't that important. What I don't get is how he couldn't consider the lyrics as important as the rest of the music. When I hear their songs, it's the lyrics that are basically narrating the emotion and the music (which includes the vocal melodies) is acting out the emotion, so isn't it just as important? I probably just misinterpreted what he said.

in no interview does he say hes only 1/4th of the importance of the band, however he does state that he is only 1/4th of the project; Tool. he does not say that the lyrics are not important, however he does say that when people listen to a song, they run straight to the lyrics to figure out what the songs about. they ignore the music. he states that in most bands (this is actually true) the music is made to suit the lyrics, however tool works in the opposite way-- first the music is recorded, then maynard feels the tone of the music and writes lyrics accordingly.

get your facts right bro :thumb:

cheers,
feign.

[Syncratic]

In other news:

The chord progression on "Maynard's Dick" sounds cool on my acoustic.

You can go back to your lives now.

[Shadius]

To add to that, he makes a witty comment about if lyrics were ultimately the most important thing, as some people seem to think, spoken word tours would be sold out.

[Otherside]

I think it's kind of stupid to actually follow Maynard on stuff like that. Personal enjoyment should always override outside opinion.

Listen to it the way you want, the way that causes you to feel the most.

[Darkness]

I don't have a lot to give, but what would you like in return? I'm serious, by the way. This must have took a lot of your time, and I want to repay the favor.
You guys are all welcome, and to satchforever... Would you happen to have The Noose live?????? If not, don't worry about it.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

in no interview does he say hes only 1/4th of the importance of the band, however he does state that he is only 1/4th of the project; Tool. he does not say that the lyrics are not important, however he does say that when people listen to a song, they run straight to the lyrics to figure out what the songs about. they ignore the music. he states that in most bands (this is actually true) the music is made to suit the lyrics, however tool works in the opposite way-- first the music is recorded, then maynard feels the tone of the music and writes lyrics accordingly.

get your facts right bro :thumb:

cheers,
feign.

Notice how I said that I may have misinterpreted what he said. I wasn't stating it as a fact. Get your facts right bro :thumb: No need to talk to me like that.

[Prince of Darkness]

You know, I'm watching this video of Maynard interviews, and I'm not exactly sure what he means by something. He says that he's only 1/4th of the importance of the band and I agree with that. He seems to have a problem with people looking at the lyrics, though. What I mean is, he says every song has a type of emotion and the lyrics are just there to reinforce that idea, and that they aren't that important. What I don't get is how he couldn't consider the lyrics as important as the rest of the music. When I hear their songs, it's the lyrics that are basically narrating the emotion and the music (which includes the vocal melodies) is acting out the emotion, so isn't it just as important? Without the lyrics, I might get a completely different vibe from a song. I probably just misinterpreted what he said.

Do you have it on your computer? if you do, Could you maybe upload it. I really want more interviews...plz :)

[Kage]

You guys are all welcome, and to satchforever... Would you happen to have The Noose live?????? If not, don't worry about it.
Are you aware that there's a video of it available or are you just desperately shooting in the dark?

[Prince of Darkness]

Fancy telling us where to get that?

[Kage]

Oh...I don't know of one. I was asking him if he did. I've never seen one, even though I, too, would love to see that song live.

[Prince of Darkness]

oh, sorry, misunderstood you there. Yah, I would also like to see that. I'm on the look out for it on torrent sites.

[Darkness]

Are you aware that there's a video of it available or are you just desperately shooting in the dark?
The answer is yes. A video does exist of it live. I saw a clip of it once... ment to get the whole thing but something went wrong with my internet... can't remember where I saw it though, and its been haunting me ever since.

[Kage]

Was it a good quality video? If it is, then I'll be on the look for it.

[Darkness]

Yeah it was pretty good, wasn't the best. Sound was top notch, video a little fuzzed.

[Prince of Darkness]

DoG, My connection is fkin' fast, broadband, 354kbps. It just bombs everytime. I goes at around 40-50kbps download rate. wtf. it's crazy. Any advise?

[Darkness]

Very strange, does it cut out every once in a while? I know my friends broadband does that, and it messes his downloads sometimes. I use cable, and nothing like that ever happens to me.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

sorry bro, its just that the two posts were about two completely different topics. i will try n avoid it as much as i can though.

do you guys know the tool song "Merbaka"?

aparently its egyptology and more ironically mentioned in a book called "Ægypt". im guessing thats where maynard got the blue prints for Ænema.

anyways, back to merbaka. its a form of early egyption meditation which helps one align his Mind (Mer*), Body(Ba*) & Soul (Ka*).

*(In Egyption).

in some of tool's concerts you can often see maynard sitting on the floor cross legged with both eyes closed while the rest of the band gives birth to a screaming sound.

cheers,

Feign.


Merkaba is just another "vehicle" into the realm of the metaphysical. So basically, it's just another peice of proof that Tool is definitely big on metaphysics and the like.

[Prince of Darkness]

you see, my pc's internet kicks out every once in a while, but when I started downloading it on my brother's pc, it bombed at the same place. 280/300mb.hmm. Do you have part 2 of the show, DoG?

[Darkness]

Man that really sucks... perhaps its YSI? I can try on that megaupload thing if I really have to. And yes, I do have part 2.

[Prince of Darkness]

Ah, sh!t man, I don't want to waste your time, If it's too much of a hastle, DoG, don't worry about it. But thanks, if you tend to do it.I'll reward your a$$ like hell.

[Darkness]

I may as well try, I don't have anything planned for the next 3 hours.

Edit: Damn! Megaupload only allows 250 mbs... this is 700. :(

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Try finding a better place in your house to put your computer. Maybe your signal kicks out because you have your wireless "box" in a bad place.

[Prince of Darkness]

omg, thanks. I''ll give anything you want.BTW, I'm still looking for that The Noose live thingy. maybe you should upload Part 2 instead, as other user want it aswell. Thanks.
omg thanks.(to Darkness of Greed)

EDIT: Dr. Jake: How did you know we had wireless? :confused:

[Darkness]

Sorry man, read my edit.

Hm. Part 2 is only 450 mbs, I could YSI that one, and you'd probably get all of it right?

[Prince of Darkness]

ok...but try YSI with part 2(if you want, no pressure), 'cause everyone else's downloads worked. It's just mine.Yah. Your disiscion(sp?)

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

You said you had broadband, right?

I'm so totally going to my friend's house to download these. :giddy:

[Darkness]

YSIing part 2 now...

And don't bother Jake, I'm mailing the dvd as we speak. :p

Oh and how bout some of that rep you got to give out there Jake? :D

I'm tired of being in the negatives. :upset:

[Prince of Darkness]

You said you had broadband, right?

I'm so totally going to my friend's house to download these. :giddy:

Yah, but is Broadband=wireless?

EDIT: ^ thanks, man. What's the setlist for Part 2?

[Darkness]

Dis/Ref/Triad and Lateralus.

[clearvision]

D/R/T
Lateralus

[Prince of Darkness]

oh. that's nice. oh yah, The backdrop artwork for the Oklahoma Show, is that a huge face with 2 faces kissing it from the sides? Am I right? "....sucking up, to the man..."
Maybe?

[Darkness]

Could be, I don't really remember. I think the first/last time I watched the concert was in April. I wanted to keep it special. :p

[Prince of Darkness]

I just recorded The Grudge Live on my brand spanking new Sony Ericsson K750(2megapixel camera). Looks good.

DoG(it's like comparing you to a dog... :upset: ) Darkness of Greed, Hows that upload coming on? :p

[Darkness]

You can just call me Mike if you want. :p

I should really get a name change... But to what?

The uploads going good...

[Prince of Darkness]

Cool, have you seen Sleeping Dogs Lie, that film MJK stars in. If you did, do you recommend I download it?

[Darkness]

I want to see that... and Maynard doesn't really star, its more like co-star. Brad Wilk stars in it. I'd download it if I could.

[Prince of Darkness]

It's only 170mb, obviously not too good qaulity. But yah, i'll try, then I'll upload it.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

You can just call me Mike if you want. :p

I should really get a name change... But to what?

The uploads going good...

Greed Of Darkness. Then, instead of being DOG, you could be GOD. :lol:

You're sending it on a Sunday? Still, thanks. :-D

[Darkness]

Wow.. thats a great idea for a name! :lol: Yes its sending now... should be done within an hour.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Do you have it on your computer? if you do, Could you maybe upload it. I really want more interviews...plz :)

I'll upload it tomorrow for you. Is that alright?

[Prince of Darkness]

Yah that's cool man, thanks

[Darkness]

Geez Prince, your really milking the niceness of all the people in this thread. :p

[Prince of Darkness]

I know haha. I feel sh!te bad...oh well.hehe

Thanks everyone! :thumb:

EDIT: Mike, DoG, Darkness of Greed :rolleyes: , I'm gonna download tomorrow. I have exams tomorrow, have to go sleep... :upset:

Gnite all. :wave:

[mudvayne420]

Im curious, I hear about this thing on lateralus by Tool that if you listen to the songs in some different order it opens up a new message? Anyone have a link or something showing me about this?

hey man go here
http://aiden.vzz.net/lateralus/index.html

but instead of the whole mantra thing, i put the first half of mantra, which is when it goes into patient, then you cut that. Put the middle part of mantra in the middle of schism. and then the last part of mantra where Faaid de oiad and Ticks and leeches end. and it gets pretty good results, from that i figured that lateralus was about how to have piece of mind with ones-self.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=390301

Final round of the Modern Rock poll. Vote Tool!

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

I tried one of the 2 alternate order tracklists. It was the one with Triad and Faiip still at the end of the album. I thought it sounded pretty good at times. Parabol/Parabola sounds pretty cool as an opener. Some of the alternate track orders doesn't really do much for me. I don't see anything special with Ticks and Leeches coming right after Schism. I don't really understand how you could split up Disposition with Reflection and Triad either. However, The Grudge does have a similar mood to D/T/R, I'm just not sure if it belongs next to them. The real Lateralus tracklist is the best, but the one I tried was pretty cool atleast just to read about.

[Otherside]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=390301

Final round of the Modern Rock poll. Vote Tool!

Radiohead vs. Tool

:(

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Save your vote. Vote for the band that may need it in the end. :thumb:

I honestly can't think of a clear winner. I mean, RHCP is extremely popular, so they'll get a lot of n00b votes. Same with Tool and RATM, really. I doubt TMV will do that good, and I'm going to venture to guess a bunch of A&Ier's are going to come in and try and push Radiohead to the top. :shrug: It'll be interesting.

[LP|Stang]

omg liek t00l rox

[Kage]

I think I'll vote Radiohead in the poll. I think they've had more influence/deserve it more than Tool does. We'll see what Tool accomplishes with their new album, but Radiohead has pushed the boundaries of what rock/alternative music can be and what it is.

[Huber]

I'm not huge on Radiohead, or any of the other bands on there except RATM, so I went Tool.

[Mr Herb]

tool, dudes!

[Syncratic]

tool, dudes!

Make your posts better, dude.

[Otherside]

I think I'll vote Radiohead in the poll. I think they've had more influence/deserve it more than Tool does. We'll see what Tool accomplishes with their new album, but Radiohead has pushed the boundaries of what rock/alternative music can be and what it is.

Right. Tool has realeased two quality albums, which, IMHO, does not achieve best band ever status. Radiohead on the other hand.. has never failed to deliver on a release except for Pablo Honey, and arguably Amnesiac.

[repcak]

/me votes

tool will make it... winner :thumb:

i just watched 'the crow - city of angels'; anyone saw this movie?

[static]

Right. Tool has realeased two quality albums, which, IMHO, does not achieve best band ever status. Radiohead on the other hand.. has never failed to deliver on a release except for Pablo Honey, and arguably Amnesiac.

I find that Radiohead only fully succeeded on The Bends, but that's just me. They had a few good songs on OK Computer, which some deem as the greatest album of all time, and one or two off of Kid A. Don't tell me I need the music to grow on me, because I've been letting it for a few years and it still hasn't. Just my opinion.

[ThePatient]

/me votes

tool will make it... winner :thumb:

i just watched 'the crow - city of angels'; anyone saw this movie?
Which one is that? If its the second one its my favorite out of the three. The first one was really good, but the second was flat out great. And I don't like to talk about the third one...

[Knifeboy]

Radiohead gets my vote.. Tool will probably win though

[Otherside]

I find that Radiohead only fully succeeded on The Bends, but that's just me. They had a few good songs on OK Computer, which some deem as the greatest album of all time, and one or two off of Kid A. Don't tell me I need the music to grow on me, because I've been letting it for a few years and it still hasn't. Just my opinion.

I'm not saying that they deliver as far as mass appeal, but deliver as far as fans enjoy them immensley. You almost never see people running around screaming "UNDERTOW IS A WORK OF GENIOUS!!" or "OPIATE IS PUSHING THE MUSICAL BOUNDRIES", whether fans or not.

[repcak]

Which one is that? If its the second one its my favorite out of the three. The first one was really good, but the second was flat out great. And I don't like to talk about the third one...

what? there even exist a third one?? omfg. [no i talk about the second one]

well, the first one was amazing: brandon lee and the story made this film fantastic.
the second one is good too, but the story is the same... nothing new. :upset: the yellow-screen/filter makes some scenes great but after some time it gets annoying. the movie is still fantastic.... the girl is so beautiful and the camera-work is even better than in the first movie. [oh, i even forgot to mention the S&M scenes :D ]

girl with tatoo (http://yoann25.free.fr/crow2pics/coa15.jpg)
girl (http://www.waynescomics.com/images/Cards/Promos/crow%20city%203of5.jpg)

[ThePatient]

Don't even bother seeing the third one, I think its called The Crow:Salvation. Its so cheesey and horrible it even makes the football I'm watching seem less entertaining. Yes, its that bad. It can spread its crappiness to anything, infecting it and bringing it down.

The girl from Spider-Man is in it though, which is kind of nice.

[Knifeboy]

Hahaha.. I remember seeing the third one! Laughed my *** off

[LP|Stang]

i use 2 liek tool then i foun they were antichrist like me so i like them more now

[Otherside]

i use 2 liek tool then i foun they were antichrist like me so i like them more now

Except they're not.

[Kage]

Tool is the very manifestation of the devil in human form!

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

i use 2 liek tool then i foun they were antichrist like me so i like them more now

I didn't like you before, I still don't like you now, and I know for sure that I won't like you in the future. BTW, your avatar is really annoying to look it. Atleast, it fits your personality.

[repcak]

Tool is the very manifestation of the devil in human form!

:confused:
explain

[Syncratic]

i use 2 liek tool then i foun they were antichrist like me so i like them more now

Is your name Matt Smolko?

[Kage]

I didn't like you before, I still don't like you now, and I know for sure that I won't like you in the future.
:lol: That was hilarious.


explain
/sarcasm

[repcak]

/sarcasm

oh... i understand :p

i haven't read the first post from this weird guy ...

[Huber]

i use 2 liek tool then i foun they were antichrist like me so i like them more now

We got a live one.

[ThePatient]

We got a live one.
I've got the hammer, who has the bag?

[Knifeboy]

.. Why can't you guys just ignore trolls?.. Or atleast not respond seriously to them

[static]

I'm not saying that they deliver as far as mass appeal, but deliver as far as fans enjoy them immensley. You almost never see people running around screaming "UNDERTOW IS A WORK OF GENIOUS!!" or "OPIATE IS PUSHING THE MUSICAL BOUNDRIES", whether fans or not.

I see what you mean, it's sort of like Opiate is to Pablo Honey as Undertow is to Amnesiac. I would say Lateralus=The Bends and Aenima>OK Computer and Kid A. Still opinions, may I add. I may also add that I've never heard anyone say Pablo Honey is their favorite Radiohead album.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

So, after taking about a month break of actually listening to Tool, I listened to Aenima once and Lateralus a few times recently. So, it occured to me that Lateralus could've been a concept album if the track list was different. Now, I find all the Fibonacci stuff interesting, but I also think that some people look way too deep into it. Anyway, here in my opinion is how the storyline could be about a person accepting/forgetting about his past, appreciating the present life, and searching for something more in the future.

Ticks and Leeches - Anger over something, possibly a relationship
Schism - Failed relationship, trying to accept the failure
The Grudge - Forgiveness, letting go of the past
Parabol(a) - Appreciating life for what it is
Eon Blue Apocalypse/The Patient - Hoping for something more in life, patience will be rewarded eventually.
Mantra - A lot of people seem to group Mantra with Schism, but I think it has more to do with The Patient. What's the line that is repeated in The Patient? "I must keep reminding myself of this." That's exactly what a Mantra is for. It's just supposed to reinforce the idea behind The Patient.
Lateralus - The search for something more, starting from the beginning ("...in my infancy") into finally going past the borders and really searching ("spiral out, keep going").
Disposition/Reflection - Failing at the search and feeling depressed, you can't go any further. Yet, hope fills you, and you know you can go on further, defeating the depression, and continue the search into randomness until you find something.
Triad - Searching
Faiip de Oiad - What some view as a meaningless and humorous secret track, I view as being a humorous secret track that has a bit of significance. The track is about someone talking about Area 51, secrets the gov't doesn't want you to know, aliens, etc. Basically, he found something, just like the album was aiming for. To search until you find something.

Hey, I'm bored, and I usually don't look too deep into things like this, but it's something that came to mind. Tell me what you think, if you want. I'm just trying to stir up some type of convo.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

You're probably right, because I've also never heard anyone refer to Opiate as their favorite. :p

[Otherside]

Disposition/Reflection - Failing at the search and feeling depressed, you can't go any further. Yet, hope fills you, and you know you can go on further, defeating the depression, and continue the search into randomness until you find something.


Disposition is not necesarrily a depressed state, but more of a state of indifferance. The person is looking back, then compares to the present, and doesn't seem to care anymore. "Watch the weather change" shows that he is no longer interested in anything, just wants to watch life go by.

Edit: I'm an idiot.

[static]

So, after taking about a month break of actually listening to Tool, I listened to Aenima once and Lateralus a few times recently. So, it occured to me that Lateralus could've been a concept album if the track list was different. Now, I find all the Fibonacci stuff interesting, but I also think that some people look way too deep into it. Anyway, here in my opinion is how the storyline could be about a person accepting/forgetting about his past, appreciating the present life, and searching for something more in the future.

Ticks and Leeches - Anger over something, possibly a relationship
Schism - Failed relationship, trying to accept the failure
The Grudge - Forgiveness, letting go of the past
Parabol(a) - Appreciating life for what it is
Eon Blue Apocalypse/The Patient - Hoping for something more in life, patience will be rewarded eventually.
Mantra - A lot of people seem to group Mantra with Schism, but I think it has more to do with The Patient. What's the line that is repeated in The Patient? "I must keep reminding myself of this." That's exactly what a Mantra is for. It's just supposed to reinforce the idea behind The Patient.
Lateralus - The search for something more, starting from the beginning ("...in my infancy") into finally going past the borders and really searching ("spiral out, keep going").
Disposition/Reflection - Failing at the search and feeling depressed, you can't go any further. Yet, hope fills you, and you know you can go on further, defeating the depression, and continue the search into randomness until you find something.
Triad - Searching
Faiip de Oiad - What some view as a meaningless and humorous secret track, I view as being a humorous secret track that has a bit of significance. The track is about someone talking about Area 51, secrets the gov't doesn't want you to know, aliens, etc. Basically, he found something, just like the album was aiming for. To search until you find something.

Hey, I'm bored, and I usually don't look too deep into things like this, but it's something that came to mind. Tell me what you think, if you want. I'm just trying to stir up some type of convo.

That seems to work pretty well. I always thought Lateralus should've been or is an indirect concept album. Everything runs together and the songs give the whole album a story type feel to it. In your way, it goes Anger, Failure, Forgiveness, Appreciation, Hope, Searching, Depression and Hope, More Searching, then finally Finding something he didn't mean to find. It all fits together.

1,000 POST!!!

[Darkness]

hxxp://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=390301

Part 2 boys and girls...

Dis/Ref/Triad Lateralus

[Knifeboy]

Is it in that .dat format?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Um, that's a link to the final round of the modern rock poll. :confused:

[Riva]

I always thought Schism was about corruption in organised religion, actually.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Specifically the Schism, or Great Divide between the protestant and catholic religions. But, as with basically every Tool song, there are levels of decipherable meaning, mainly because of their pretentious overuse of metaphors. :eek:

:p

[Otherside]

schism: (skiz´em-)A formal breach of union;Disunion

That's from Adam's myspace. Whether or not that's the intended interpretation, is anyone's guess.

[BlindWriting]

hxxp://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=390301

Part 2 boys and girls...

Dis/Ref/Triad Lateralus
You might want to check the link.

Thanks though, everyone owes you. But I cannot get over the fact that the guy who taped the show didn't even put the camera on Danny during his Grudge solo. I mean what the hell!!!!1!eleven! Hopefully I'll see him do it if I ever get the chance to see them live.

[Riva]

Specifically the Schism, or Great Divide between the protestant and catholic religions. But, as with basically every Tool song, there are levels of decipherable meaning, mainly because of their pretentious overuse of metaphors. :eek:

:p


Haha, I should don my flame-retardant suit and post my review in here. :p

[Killtacular]

DispoFlectiAd!!

[Rothmans]

On the Schism thing and I know I have sadi this before but it does remind me off the prodestant and catholic situation in Irelands it is not so much about the religion's anymore but awhile back a catholic primary school (5-12/13) was built on prodestant ground and prodestants use to go out when the parent's were bringing there young girl's to school and pelt them with stones and bottles and everything the army had to come in and a lot of police in case of severe violence like that is beyond beleif to me and I am not trying to put the prodestant's as the bad guys here I would say the cahtolic's would do the same.

On another time Dave mustaine in a drunken fit said give the republic back to the republic and he had to be driven out in a bullet proof bus.

Its really sad and strange how the English still own 6 county's of our country (I am english partially msyelf but still) if you look in any Irish history of any sort you will find either about the Great Famine or the wars that have been raging on for 300+ year's about those 6 counties.

Like only recently like in the past 40 year's down in kerry you were not aloud to say Oliver Cromwell's name without someone spitting and saying the devil.

Useless post kinda hope someone reads it though :/.

[deathmetal]

You're probably right, because I've also never heard anyone refer to Opiate as their favorite. :p

Opiate, as the album, or the song. Coz that's a kick *** song

[Killtacular]

As an album. Because it's just middle of the road.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

It's not "middle of the road" per se, but it's just too short to really have a fair chance at competing with their other material.

[Killtacular]

Hmm.. seems about right. It's also just straight ahead rockin'.

[static]

It's not "middle of the road" per se, but it's just too short to really have a fair chance at competing with their other material.

It's a great album by itself, but when compared to Lateralus, Opiate is just another album.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

How much true "jamming" do you guys think Tool do? They seem like a band that would pre-produce a song, get all of the riffs and lyrics together, and just say "here's how we play it." I doubt Adam could really keep up if they did do something like this, though. :p

[deathmetal]

Opiate doesn't even come close to the other ones. But I do have a question, anyone know anything about psychology, coz im having a bit of trouble remembering the 5 or so steps to acceptance. You've got grief and then the rest is just lost. Hell, the whole list or whatever is lost

[Killtacular]

Take it to the pit, buddy.

aka "I don't know"

[BlindWriting]

How much true "jamming" do you guys think Tool do? They seem like a band that would pre-produce a song, get all of the riffs and lyrics together, and just say "here's how we play it." I doubt Adam could really keep up if they did do something like this, though. :p
It could be a mix of things. Maybe Adam will bring in a series of riffs, or some variations on one riff, that he has arranged as a song. Or maybe Danny will just start fooling around with a beat and the others will go along, and eventually it solidifies. Who knows.

The most interesting thing you could possibly learn or even witness regarding a band is how they create their songs. One of my favorite aspects about the movie Some Kind of Monster was watching Metallica listen to James (or was it Kirk) play the early form of the Some Kind of Monster riff. Then, they just start playing. I'm not really a fan or the band, or St. Anger at all, but it was fascinating to watch.

Then there are bands like The Mars Volta who have very set processes. For creating the music to Frances The Mute, Omar came up with the majority of the original music/sections and worked with each of the five other members individually. Very tight processes. And THEN they save the spacey jamming for live stuff.

[deathmetal]

Never mind, I found it. The reason I asked is because the whole Lateralus album to me sounds kind of like those 5 steps of loosing someone or something. You've got denial and isolation, like maybe Schism, feeling alone sort of and not accepting the fact. Then you've got anger, most of the songs, Ticks and Leeches and The Grudge come to mind, for bargaining maybe The Patient, saying they would walk away, and could walk away, much easier, but they're gonna "wait it out" For depression maybe Dispostion/Reflection, mention this to me, and watch the weather change, and just the whole Reflection song, leaving this place that's so blind and critical. Finally acceptance, Faaip De Oiad, finding something that was thought to be left behind forever. I dunno, just what Lateralus reminds me of.

[Feign]

So, after taking about a month break of actually listening to Tool, I listened to Aenima once and Lateralus a few times recently. So, it occured to me that Lateralus could've been a concept album if the track list was different. Now, I find all the Fibonacci stuff interesting, but I also think that some people look way too deep into it. Anyway, here in my opinion is how the storyline could be about a person accepting/forgetting about his past, appreciating the present life, and searching for something more in the future.

Ticks and Leeches - Anger over something, possibly a relationship
Schism - Failed relationship, trying to accept the failure
The Grudge - Forgiveness, letting go of the past
Parabol(a) - Appreciating life for what it is
Eon Blue Apocalypse/The Patient - Hoping for something more in life, patience will be rewarded eventually.
Mantra - A lot of people seem to group Mantra with Schism, but I think it has more to do with The Patient. What's the line that is repeated in The Patient? "I must keep reminding myself of this." That's exactly what a Mantra is for. It's just supposed to reinforce the idea behind The Patient.
Lateralus - The search for something more, starting from the beginning ("...in my infancy") into finally going past the borders and really searching ("spiral out, keep going").
Disposition/Reflection - Failing at the search and feeling depressed, you can't go any further. Yet, hope fills you, and you know you can go on further, defeating the depression, and continue the search into randomness until you find something.
Triad - Searching
Faiip de Oiad - What some view as a meaningless and humorous secret track, I view as being a humorous secret track that has a bit of significance. The track is about someone talking about Area 51, secrets the gov't doesn't want you to know, aliens, etc. Basically, he found something, just like the album was aiming for. To search until you find something.

Hey, I'm bored, and I usually don't look too deep into things like this, but it's something that came to mind. Tell me what you think, if you want. I'm just trying to stir up some type of convo.

hey man, some good trying there. i see you've tried to dig deep in. but i hate to break it to you bro, but nearly everything above is wrong...

Ticks & Leaches: Some say the record industry, some say obnoxious fans - this is another Tool song that could really be about anyone.

Schism: A quick trip to a dictionary tells us that it is a "a separation or division into factions". A major theme of the whole album is reconciliation. Many of these tracks touch on the subject, though "The Grudge" is more about the actual grudge, and "Schism" focuses more on the separation itself.

The Grudge: See Above.

Parabol: Find the meaning of Parable and you'll see (This is just my theory).

Parabola: We all know it's a geometric curve, but as far as what it is doing as the title of this song, the best theory has yet to come forward. One notion is that it approximates the shape of two bodies together, as in the lyrics of the song.

Eon Blue Apocalypse: i have no clue but i think satchforever's one is pretty acurately correct.

The Patient: i tihnk satchforever is right about the patient also.

Mantra: (Indian for a soothing melody). A 2001 interview with Maynard in the Japanese magazine "Buzz" where MJK stated for the first time in public ("a treat for the Japanese fans," he says) that the track "Mantra" is the sound of him squeezing one of his Siamese cats. The cat made such a weird noise that he immediately recorded this, played it real slow and made a track out of it.

Lateralus*: In an interview with Aggro Active (May 2001), Maynard offered this answer: "Lateralus itself is actually a muscle and although the title does have something to do with the muscle, it's more about lateral thinking and how the only way to really evolve as an artist -- or as a human, I think -- is to start trying to think outside of the lines and push your boundaries. Kind of take yourself where you haven't been and put yourself in different shoes; all of those cliches."

*Note: Lateralus is pronounced "ladder-Alice".

Disposition/Triad/Reflection: Disposition, triad and reflection are about the same thing. If you notice, at the back of your lateralus cd, you will see that the three are linked. Maynard had this to say: "They were originally all conceived as one song, but ultimately broke into three separate tracks. They never had any collective title, however."

Faaip De Oiad: Personally my favourite form the album. The title is Enochian for "Voice of God". Tell me guys, how would you feel if that was god talking? would you not be scared knowing that the all mighty lord himself was so very weak and powerless?

Note: Look at your cd in the light, focus on the guys brain. you will see that it says god in the middle of his brain (on the last page). now relate that to faaip de oiad and the beauty of lateralus will be revealed.

Cheers,

Feign.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Lateralus*: In an interview with Aggro Active (May 2001), Maynard offered this answer: "Lateralus itself is actually a muscle and although the title does have something to do with the muscle, it's more about lateral thinking and how the only way to really evolve as an artist -- or as a human, I think -- is to start trying to think outside of the lines and push your boundaries. Kind of take yourself where you haven't been and put yourself in different shoes; all of those cliches."

Ugh, scary thought here, but perhaps the word Lateralus isn't the actual muscle. Maybe something that is somehow tied to the word Lateralus. In the shape of a Parabola, you have many different points that can tell you how to define a parabola. The Latus Rectum is the point inside the Parabola that will determine the position of the parabola on your quadrant.

Latus Rectum= Lateralus

Your rectum is a muscle, right? MJK is just ****ing with us again.

[Huber]

D....di....did....did...Maynard just put it in our butts?

[Feign]

Ugh, scary thought here, but perhaps the word Lateralus isn't the actual muscle. Maybe something that is somehow tied to the word Lateralus. In the shape of a Parabola, you have many different points that can tell you how to define a parabola. The Latus Rectum is the point inside the Parabola that will determine the position of the parabola on your quadrant.

Latus Rectum= Lateralus

Your rectum is a muscle, right? MJK is just ****ing with us again.

haha good observation.

[XyleM]

Ugh, scary thought here, but perhaps the word Lateralus isn't the actual muscle. Maybe something that is somehow tied to the word Lateralus. In the shape of a Parabola, you have many different points that can tell you how to define a parabola. The Latus Rectum is the point inside the Parabola that will determine the position of the parabola on your quadrant.

Latus Rectum= Lateralus

Your rectum is a muscle, right? MJK is just ****ing with us again.

Lateral also means outside though...

Lateralus

[horseypie]

that could mean "outside ourselves"...astral projection....the whole tool thing about seeing ourselves from another point of view...hmmmm

[penelope_weird_hands]

the vastus lateralis is the muscle near your outer thigh that extends the knee.
thxgooglebye.

[Feign]

Lateral also means outside though...

Lateralus

"...to thinking outside our boundries and to push ourselves..."- MJK.

cheers,

feign.

[Vandle]

the vastus lateralis is the muscle near your outer thigh that extends the knee.
thxgooglebye.


Oh ofcourse. That explains everything.





....

[Riva]

Lateral also means outside though...

Lateralus

You mean it means sideways, or technically flat and straight.


And as for the lateralis, it is a general term for muscles that run straight across. You have them around your face, body and organs.

[Prince of Darkness]

hxxp://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=390301

Part 2 boys and girls...

Dis/Ref/Triad Lateralus

:confused: aii.

[Otherside]

Schism: A quick trip to a dictionary tells us that it is a "a separation or division into factions". A major theme of the whole album is reconciliation. Many of these tracks touch on the subject, though "The Grudge" is more about the actual grudge, and "Schism" focuses more on the separation itself.

Schism is about personal relationships. That's how I see it anyways.
"The poetry that comes from the squaring off between,
And the circling is worth it.
Finding beauty in the dissonance."

The things that come from fighting(to gain understanding)
Circling between two people to understand each other
Finding beauty in the difference of ourselves.


Parabola: We all know it's a geometric curve, but as far as what it is doing as the title of this song, the best theory has yet to come forward. One notion is that it approximates the shape of two bodies together, as in the lyrics of the song.

Parabol(a), if thougt about as two seperate entities meeting, forming an infinite shape. Another nod towards personal relationships.



Faaip De Oiad: Personally my favourite form the album. The title is Enochian for "Voice of God". Tell me guys, how would you feel if that was god talking? would you not be scared knowing that the all mighty lord himself was so very weak and powerless?

Well, it was actually recorded on a UFO/paranormal radioshow, called Art Bell coast to coast, or something. Many including myself consider this to be toungue in cheek humor, not to be taken seriously.

[Prince of Darkness]

hey, that's quite interesting. Does Aenema have the same kinda messages in the songs, or is it completely different?

[Darkness]

:confused: aii.
Wow... that was incredibly stupid of me... Ganna have to wait again... :upset:

[Prince of Darkness]

Ha. It' cool. Don't worry about it.

[Futuro]

hey man, some good trying there. i see you've tried to dig deep in. but i hate to break it to you bro, but nearly everything above is wrong...

Ticks & Leaches: Some say the record industry, some say obnoxious fans - this is another Tool song that could really be about anyone.

Schism: A quick trip to a dictionary tells us that it is a "a separation or division into factions". A major theme of the whole album is reconciliation. Many of these tracks touch on the subject, though "The Grudge" is more about the actual grudge, and "Schism" focuses more on the separation itself.

The Grudge: See Above.

Parabol: Find the meaning of Parable and you'll see (This is just my theory).

Parabola: We all know it's a geometric curve, but as far as what it is doing as the title of this song, the best theory has yet to come forward. One notion is that it approximates the shape of two bodies together, as in the lyrics of the song.

Eon Blue Apocalypse: i have no clue but i think satchforever's one is pretty acurately correct.

The Patient: i tihnk satchforever is right about the patient also.

Mantra: (Indian for a soothing melody). A 2001 interview with Maynard in the Japanese magazine "Buzz" where MJK stated for the first time in public ("a treat for the Japanese fans," he says) that the track "Mantra" is the sound of him squeezing one of his Siamese cats. The cat made such a weird noise that he immediately recorded this, played it real slow and made a track out of it.

Lateralus*: In an interview with Aggro Active (May 2001), Maynard offered this answer: "Lateralus itself is actually a muscle and although the title does have something to do with the muscle, it's more about lateral thinking and how the only way to really evolve as an artist -- or as a human, I think -- is to start trying to think outside of the lines and push your boundaries. Kind of take yourself where you haven't been and put yourself in different shoes; all of those cliches."

*Note: Lateralus is pronounced "ladder-Alice".

Disposition/Triad/Reflection: Disposition, triad and reflection are about the same thing. If you notice, at the back of your lateralus cd, you will see that the three are linked. Maynard had this to say: "They were originally all conceived as one song, but ultimately broke into three separate tracks. They never had any collective title, however."

Faaip De Oiad: Personally my favourite form the album. The title is Enochian for "Voice of God". Tell me guys, how would you feel if that was god talking? would you not be scared knowing that the all mighty lord himself was so very weak and powerless?

Note: Look at your cd in the light, focus on the guys brain. you will see that it says god in the middle of his brain (on the last page). now relate that to faaip de oiad and the beauty of lateralus will be revealed.

Cheers,

Feign.good job on copying and pasting from the tool FAQ :rolleyes:

[A pig in a cage on antibiotics]

ok I've heard a couple of you guys talkin about parabol/parabola and how it could be about two people in a relationship and stuff like that, does anyone share my view that it is about one person, their mind and their body? it points right to that, eg. "so familliar and overwhelmingly warm, this one this form i hold now" "choosing to be here right now, hold on, stay inside, this body holding me" "choosing to be here in this body" "regognise this as a holy gift and celebrate this chance to be alive and breathing" "this body holding me reminds me of my own mortality" "we are eternal, all this pain is an illusion"

if you have read "nothing in this book is true but it's exactly how things are" it will make a whole lot more sense, maynard recommends the book and it states that we are eternal and that if we ascend we will find a new body and keep our present consciousness, thus being eternal, but if we don't ascend we will take a new body when we die and won't take our current mind with us and will "barely remember what came before this precious moment" and be born into this earth again, still being eternal but not knowing it. also the book speaks of how we might be higher beings coming to this dimensional level of earth "choosing to be here, right now" we just don't know if we are in fact higher beings.

It's been a while since i read the book so if I have made any mistakes please correct me. All opinions are welcome, think for yourself. thanks.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

hey man, some good trying there. i see you've tried to dig deep in. but i hate to break it to you bro, but nearly everything above is wrong...

Ticks & Leaches: Some say the record industry, some say obnoxious fans - this is another Tool song that could really be about anyone.

Schism: A quick trip to a dictionary tells us that it is a "a separation or division into factions". A major theme of the whole album is reconciliation. Many of these tracks touch on the subject, though "The Grudge" is more about the actual grudge, and "Schism" focuses more on the separation itself.

The Grudge: See Above.

Parabol: Find the meaning of Parable and you'll see (This is just my theory).

Parabola: We all know it's a geometric curve, but as far as what it is doing as the title of this song, the best theory has yet to come forward. One notion is that it approximates the shape of two bodies together, as in the lyrics of the song.

Eon Blue Apocalypse: i have no clue but i think satchforever's one is pretty acurately correct.

The Patient: i tihnk satchforever is right about the patient also.

Mantra: (Indian for a soothing melody). A 2001 interview with Maynard in the Japanese magazine "Buzz" where MJK stated for the first time in public ("a treat for the Japanese fans," he says) that the track "Mantra" is the sound of him squeezing one of his Siamese cats. The cat made such a weird noise that he immediately recorded this, played it real slow and made a track out of it.

Lateralus*: In an interview with Aggro Active (May 2001), Maynard offered this answer: "Lateralus itself is actually a muscle and although the title does have something to do with the muscle, it's more about lateral thinking and how the only way to really evolve as an artist -- or as a human, I think -- is to start trying to think outside of the lines and push your boundaries. Kind of take yourself where you haven't been and put yourself in different shoes; all of those cliches."

*Note: Lateralus is pronounced "ladder-Alice".

Disposition/Triad/Reflection: Disposition, triad and reflection are about the same thing. If you notice, at the back of your lateralus cd, you will see that the three are linked. Maynard had this to say: "They were originally all conceived as one song, but ultimately broke into three separate tracks. They never had any collective title, however."

Faaip De Oiad: Personally my favourite form the album. The title is Enochian for "Voice of God". Tell me guys, how would you feel if that was god talking? would you not be scared knowing that the all mighty lord himself was so very weak and powerless?

Note: Look at your cd in the light, focus on the guys brain. you will see that it says god in the middle of his brain (on the last page). now relate that to faaip de oiad and the beauty of lateralus will be revealed.

Cheers,

Feign.

I love how if I try to show my views of the song, they are wrong, but if you say yours, they're always correct. Ticks and Leeches COULD be about record executives, or the fans. TO ME, it makes more sense to be about a bad relationship in the same sense as Pu**** is. Please refrain from trying to talk to me like I'm a moron, okay? I'm aware of what a schism is. Schism, TO ME, is not about reconciliation at all, but rather a failed relationship with someone who knows that any attempt to try it again will fail, but he can't let go. He knows that it was the lack of communication that ruined the relationship. Who knows what Maynard had in mind when he wrote it. The Grudge shows the senselessness of holding a grudge over something from the past. It also says to let go of the grudge. Parabol/Parabola is interesting because it could also just be about being intimate with someone. I kind of view it as a combination of being intimant, and appreciating life, but I didn't include the first part because I wanted to keep the storyline intact. :p What you quoted about Lateralus is the same thing as I said already. You also did not offer any insight whatsoever as to the meanings of Disposition or Reflection. If you're going to be a prick and tell me that my views on the song, which are just my opinions, are wrong, atleast have the courage to share your own views of the songs

[Prince of Darkness]

SatchForever, Didn't you say you'll upload some interviews for me?Sorry, I don\t want to pressure you, but, please, if you could.thanks.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

SatchForever, Didn't you say you'll upload some interviews for me?Sorry, I don\t want to pressure you, but, please, if you could.thanks.

Yeah, no problem dude. I'll start the upload now. I'm not sure if you've seen them yet, but I guess we'll find out soon enough, right? I actually tried YSI'ing it yesterday and it screwed up for some reason. I'll try it again though right now, hopefully I can get it for you today. :thumb:

[Prince of Darkness]

What size is it?liek mbs?

Oh yeah. Cheers :chug: I owe you one!

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

It's 43.4 MB. Don't worry about it dude, I'm just waiting for part II of the OK show to be uploaded, but since I got Part I, I've been in a very generous mood. What was the deal with the dude saying he uploaded it, and it was the rock poll? Hah, we'll I'll leave my computer alone for awhile to let it upload the video properly. Hope to have it up here later today.

[Prince of Darkness]

Sh!t. I only have 30min of part1. That sucks. I wanted the whole thing...oh yah, that interview, it isn't that one with MJK and that Japanese woman is it? She really asked lamea$$ questions...

EDIT: I'll get it from you tomorrow. I have exams to study for and I have to go to bed.(22:00 in SA) Thanks. :thumb:

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

http://s46.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1BX4T7MWF75UO2U41PQ99O6KPA

There it is. You tell me if you've seen it before.

[Prince of Darkness]

yeah. Thanks. I'll just get it now. thanks man! I owe you one.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

It was really no sweat at all.

[Prince of Darkness]

Hey. I dont have this one. Thanks again. Gnite.

[Shadius]

If anyone could upload either parts of the Oklahoma show, it would be appreciated. I've asked a couple of times, but it hasn't been posted for a long long time.

[Moses]

How much true "jamming" do you guys think Tool do? They seem like a band that would pre-produce a song, get all of the riffs and lyrics together, and just say "here's how we play it." I doubt Adam could really keep up if they did do something like this, though. :p
I think Adam and Justin may have gotten a little bit more technically advanced since the last record........ Who knows.

[Shadius]

I suppose they do seem to be getting more technically advanced as they're progressing, so that only makes sense.

As for songwriting, who knows. As they're able to all create this album together in the same room if they want this time, they would probably be wise to try and work on different ways of writing songs.

As usual, i'm sure Maynard won't "come up with the original riffs" and will rather work with what he has from the others. Danny and Justin will hopefully be recording some brilliant riffs as I type this.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

hey, that's quite interesting. Does Aenema have the same kinda messages in the songs, or is it completely different?

There are songs about astral projection/out of body expiriences, idiot fans, and relationships on both records.

OBE songs
46&2
Third Eye
Lateralus

Idiot fan songs
Hooker
Ticks and Leeches

Relationships
H.
Push it
The Grudge
Schism(?)

There are tons more, obviously, but those are just a few similarities between my song interpretations from Ænima and Lateralus

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

If anyone could upload either parts of the Oklahoma show, it would be appreciated. I've asked a couple of times, but it hasn't been posted for a long long time.

Dude, go back like 5 pages. The first part is uploaded.

[Darkness]

hxxp://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=006GFVT7AZPC10G8FV84WPHVF

I'm VERY sorry about that before guys, it was still uploading and I left for a party and right before I gave a link to the poll to my friend, and I got home really late and my mom was in need of the computer so I hurryed to get the link on the forum but it must not have pasted right... anyways I'm sure this one will work. :p

[Shadius]

Dude, go back like 5 pages. The first part is uploaded.

Really? I looked and couldn't see it.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

hxxp://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=006GFVT7AZPC10G8FV84WPHVF

I'm VERY sorry about that before guys, it was still uploading and I left for a party and right before I gave a link to the poll to my friend, and I got home really late and my mom was in need of the computer so I hurryed to get the link on the forum but it must not have pasted right... anyways I'm sure this one will work. :p

No need to apologize man. You are giving us the OK show. THE OK show. You are officially the man.

[Shadius]

You are the man.

[Darkness]

And if I'm the man and your the man then hes the man as well. :D

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Really? I looked and couldn't see it.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=9587611&postcount=19434

[Darkness]

Wow, I just noticed I actually did get some rep for this. :D Thanks whoever did that... its good to be out of the negatives...

[Shadius]

Aww, not available anymore. If it could be brought up i'd have your babies? \:

[Darkness]

Part 2 should be available.

And to the post below me, thanks Jake I didn't know that.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

hxxp://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=006GFVT7AZPC10G8FV84WPHVF

I'm VERY sorry about that before guys, it was still uploading and I left for a party and right before I gave a link to the poll to my friend, and I got home really late and my mom was in need of the computer so I hurryed to get the link on the forum but it must not have pasted right... anyways I'm sure this one will work. :p

FYI- You don't have to break the link with x's, as it's a bootleg, which is totally legal.

Mike- It wasn't for uploading stuff.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Wow, I just noticed I actually did get some rep for this. :D Thanks whoever did that... its good to be out of the negatives...

I'm at -71 :upset:

[repcak]

I'm at -71 :upset:

where do you read this information? and for what are referrals?
[sorry for this offtopic]

[Knifeboy]

FYI- You don't have to break the link with x's, as it's a bootleg, which is totally legal.

Mike- It wasn't for uploading stuff.

1. It's a bootleg, wich means it's even more illegal.
2. That's not why you have to break the link, the reason is that if many people clicks it, it shows they all came from musicianforums, and for some strange reason that makes YSI block them

[Darkness]

Mike- It wasn't for uploading stuff.
Yeah, I read your comment. Thanks. :p :thumb:

And Knifeboy, thats what I always thought to..

[Futuro]

where do you read this information? and for what are referrals?
[sorry for this offtopic] CLick here it will show up on the main screen. if you dont have any than nothing will be there.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/usercp.php?

and referals are when a new member says they heard about the website from you when they are signing up.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

1. It's a bootleg, wich means it's even more illegal.
2. That's not why you have to break the link, the reason is that if many people clicks it, it shows they all came from musicianforums, and for some strange reason that makes YSI block them

Why exactly are bootlegs illegal?

[Darkness]

Because you get a live performance for free. Its just like how downloading music is illegal.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Yeah, but songs are copyrighted. Live performances aren't copyrighted.

[Knifeboy]

Yeah, but songs are copyrighted. Live performances aren't copyrighted.

Yes they are...

edit: completely forgot to say thanks for part two! It isn't in that nasty .dat format someone uploaded it in a long time ago, wich means that my dvd player can actually read this one!

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Yes they are...

edit: completely forgot to say thanks for part two! It isn't in that nasty .dat format someone uploaded it in a long time ago, wich means that my dvd player can actually read this one!

How are live performances copyrighted?

By the way, how would I go about watching the OK show on my dvd player?

[Knifeboy]

You can't unless you have a fancy dvd player like mine :p

And for live performances, the music is already copyrighted.. Why wouldn't it be?.. (Heck, you could in theory even get in trouble for covering another bands music and making money of it).. Plus most venues claim the rights to the shows that are played there.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

There's a disclaimer on soundclick about covers. You have to classify the song you're uploading as a "Cover- <genre>" or your account could get wiped out, or something. :shrug:

[Dude3]

I have a quick question regarding meditation.

I want to learn to Astral Project, Lucid Dream, the whole deal. I'm going to start off with meditating daily. My question is, when should I meditate? Is there a best time of day to do this?

Thanks

[static]

Out of my common sense, I would guess around 4:00 P.M.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

The best method I've heard would be to do this;

On a weekend, or any morning where you can have a few hours of peice and quiet, after you wake up, stay in bed, trying to go back to sleep. It may take you an hour or two to do so, but you will go back to sleep. If you've overslept, you'll know that extremely groggy state you get after sleeping for too long. This is exactly what you want. Your mind will be extremely "chill" and your body will probably be extremely lax as well.

I typically meditate before I go to bed, but I sometimes end up falling asleep. It works as well though.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

You can't unless you have a fancy dvd player like mine :p

And for live performances, the music is already copyrighted.. Why wouldn't it be?.. (Heck, you could in theory even get in trouble for covering another bands music and making money of it).. Plus most venues claim the rights to the shows that are played there.

Wait, so I can't play it on my DVD Player? I not only have a DVD Player, but mine also records from the TV, its like a VCR but for DVDs. Is that special enough? :p

Oh, and yeah, okay I know where you are coming from now concerning copyright. Yes, it technically is for a band to play another band's songs. Hell, "Happy Birthday" is under copyright and that gets sung every day. A lot of criminals out there. :p

[Knifeboy]

Wait, so I can't play it on my DVD Player? I not only have a DVD Player, but mine also records from the TV, its like a VCR but for DVDs. Is that special enough? :p

It might ? hehe, my dvd player reads the same formats as a computer, so I can burn anything from my computer onto a cd and play it on it... It's mucho practical

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

It might ? hehe, my dvd player reads the same formats as a computer, so I can burn anything from my computer onto a cd and play it on it... It's mucho practical

Well, if mine can't, than I offically hate you. :p You're such a...such a...dare I say it?...TOOL!

[Darkness]

Never, EVER use the lords name in vein!

:lol: I said that to my other Tool obsessed friend the other day.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Never, EVER use the lords name in vein!

:lol: I said that to my other Tool obsessed friend the other day.

:lol: That's pretty good. lol

[Kage]

I have a quick question regarding meditation.

I want to learn to Astral Project, Lucid Dream, the whole deal. I'm going to start off with meditating daily. My question is, when should I meditate? Is there a best time of day to do this?

Thanks
I've been trying to lucid dream the past couple of nights to no avail. I also have been keeping a dream log, which is something I'd like to do anyway, but last night I couldn't remember any of my dreams. The night before that, though, I think I was really close to lucidity because one of my dreams felt to me like a dream, and they usually don't...I just never came to the full realization in time. :-/

As far as astral projection...I don't know, it still seems like a big whacko kind of deal to me. Or possibly drug-related. I did get a vibrating sensation and a feeling of something pulling out of my body one time, but I was hardly conscious and I could have been imagining it.

[Moses]

Jake you totally just e-dissed me on AIM when I asked "what's new?" and you just left..... now I'm sad, :upset:.

Kage, you have to be hardly conscious to do it, I believe.

[Kage]

He's done that to me before, too!

[Dude3]

I sorta had a Lucid Dream the other night. Let's just say it was very, uh.......nice :)

It wasn't too lucid though.

[Huber]

Not to make fun of you guys or anything, but this reminds me of the guys I work with. When we go on break they meditate and try and move there cups with there minds with what they call "the chi-force". It's possibly the funniest thing I've ever seen.

[Kage]

That's stupid. I don't buy into levitation and things like that at all. I don't even believe in astral projection. Lucid dreams are not out of the ordinary at all, though. They're actually a sign of healthy sleep.

[Dude3]

Astral Projection(whether I'm actually transporting out of my physical body, or just triggering a different part of my brain) sounds very interesting and fun.

[deathmetal]

Astral Projection(whether I'm actually transporting out of my physical body, or just triggering a different part of my brain) sounds very interesting and fun.

i agree. it also sounds very difficult.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Jake you totally just e-dissed me on AIM when I asked "what's new?" and you just left..... now I'm sad, :upset:.

Kage, you have to be hardly conscious to do it, I believe.

I never got your message. :confused: It may have been when I went to go learn Of Sins and Shadows by S-X. Sans solos.

Kage, yeah, you really have to be like, within inches of sleeping to pull it off. If you're at all close to being fully concious, you may be able to partially get out, but then you'll be like "zomg, I'm out!" I've told you about my whole "arm" expirience, and yeah, I freaked out and just popped back into my body. :p

[Futuro]

Well, you can be fully asleep,

the first part of lucid dreams is remembering the dream, practice knowing when to dream, suggested would be to have someone wake you exactly 4 hours after you go to bed when you are REALLY tired, if you were dreaming during the wake, the dream will be remembered. think of this as practice for "remembering when to remember your dreams" (it will be a habit i think) Then as times progress your body will always trigger the REM stages differently, depending on what you are thinking of....i think

[deathmetal]

how does this all feel, and how do you do it. like do you meditate or what? im talking about astral projection and i dun know how to do it.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Either that, or you could do the dot method, which requires no queer sleeping habits, or another person. :p

Draw a dot on the back of your hand. Every once in a while, you'll catch it out of the corner of your eye every once in a while, and when you do so, think to your self "Am I Dreaming?"

After a while, this will become second nature. Then, sometime in the near future of your dreams, you'll be bound to look down at your hand, and either A)notice that either you have the dot. This will make you think "Am I dreaming?" At which point, you'll basically take over. Or B) Notice that you're not sporting a dot, and realize that you're dreaming.

deathmetal http://www.astralvoyage.com/projection/beginners.html

Read that in it's entirety, without any interruptions and/or multiple times. That way, you'll absorb it all. :)

[deathmetal]

Another way of trying to dream is to start thinking of a story but don't really finish it, let your mind kind of finish it for you. Or repeat "I will remember my dreams" over and over again. I dunno, I've tried them both and they dun work for me. I've also tried the dream journal, and that dun work either.

[deathmetal]

Now answer me this anyone, please. Someone just told me that I have to be free of processed foods, nicotine, alchohol, marijuana, and caffeine for a month. and then he said you have to meditate for at least an hour each day.

[Expresso]

Either that, or you could do the dot method, which requires no queer sleeping habits, or another person. :p

Draw a dot on the back of your hand. Every once in a while, you'll catch it out of the corner of your eye every once in a while, and when you do so, think to your self "Am I Dreaming?"

After a while, this will become second nature. Then, sometime in the near future of your dreams, you'll be bound to look down at your hand, and either A)notice that either you have the dot. This will make you think "Am I dreaming?" At which point, you'll basically take over. Or B) Notice that you're not sporting a dot, and realize that you're dreaming.

deathmetal http://www.astralvoyage.com/projection/beginners.html

Read that in it's entirety, without any interruptions and/or multiple times. That way, you'll absorb it all. :)\
Wow, interesting thought there. For real.

Me, i'm rather content with the state of my dreams. Sometimes I have really good ones, and the feeling of wanting to remember it wakes me up. Gets my thoughts going, you know? All my other dreams are either not memorable or intersting, hardly ever negative after the fact.

[Kage]

The dot method has not worked for me thusfar...I still have high hopes though.

[deathmetal]

ok, so no caffeine, no drugs, alcohol, tobacco, I have to excercise everyday, drink orange juice in the morning, drink skim milk at nite, and some other shiet that sounds like a bunch of smoke being blown out of his ***. Is he just bs-ing me or is this all true as well?

[deathmetal]

Hey what do you all know about chakras?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I decided to hyperlink this, as the link would distort the page terribly. (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=20913840&friendName=A+D+A+M&Mytoken=AB057B88-C550-7C1D-270710F00D3F421612414055)


••• The Better Half •••

I would like to emphasize that part. Let me refresh your guy's memories on my extreme theory;


From: A D A M
Date: Aug 18, 2005 8:26 PM
Subject: ||||.|.||||
Body: jake
please leave positive comments
blairs one of my best friends
i hope your kidding
and its • • • - • • - - • - -
A


When you intertwine the Subject of his message, and this extremely odd morse code symbol, you get |•|•|•|-.•|•.-|•|-|-| which create opposites. In other words, two halves.

The better half = The dots?

Ahoy, I think we may be getting somewhere.

///

Whoever told you you have to be "sterile" is full of crap. As for chakras, all I know is that there are many of them around your head. I'm not sure what they do, though.

Lucid (http://spiraleyes.com/gallery/gallery.php?gal=dream&pic=4) I figured this picture would be fitting to share, considering the topic at hand. There is very slight pornography but hopefully you're all mature enough to handle it. I feel confident enough that I won't be banned for this, so I mean, I'm sure you all should be safe looking at the picture. (It's just a faint nipple for God's sake)

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

I decided to hyperlink this, as the link would distort the page terribly. (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=20913840&friendName=A+D+A+M&Mytoken=AB057B88-C550-7C1D-270710F00D3F421612414055)


••• The Better Half •••

I would like to emphasize that part. Let me refresh your guy's memories on my extreme theory;



When you intertwine the Subject of his message, and this extremely odd morse code symbol, you get |•|•|•|-.•|•.-|•|-|-| which create opposites. In other words, two halves.

The better half = The dots?

Ahoy, I think we may be getting somewhere.

///

Whoever told you you have to be "sterile" is full of crap. As for chakras, all I know is that there are many of them around your head. I'm not sure what they do, though.

Not bad. Kinda' makes sense, actually. Where did you get the idea of the halves, light and dark, thing from anyway?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

No clue, but it makes sense. I mean, the symbol for [on/off] on multiple electronic devices for years has been [•/-] right? The second code Jones gave me fits. I've heard many rumors involving light and dark. Blech, I just think that it makes a hell of a lot of sense.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

No clue, but it makes sense. I mean, the symbol for [on/off] on multiple electronic devices for years has been [•/-] right? The second code Jones gave me fits. I've heard many rumors involving light and dark. Blech, I just think that it makes a hell of a lot of sense.

You could definitely be on to something. BTW, nice avatar.

[Prince of Darkness]

Darkness of Greed, thanks for the upload. It's greatly appreciated.

EDIT: Hmm. Once again, the download...failed. I only got from Start of part 2 till end of Reflection. But hey, that's not too bad. Thanks anyway. :thumb:

[Darkness]

Damn! That sucks man, Triad has that wicked drum part with the other guy. (Tomas Haake?)

[Killtacular]

Nice job on stealing Adam's avatar, Jake.
:thumb:
Also, those aren't opposites. The right side has a dot in with the -'s.

[G_Mac07]

Anyone see Superpeer's edit to the Final Round of the Modern Rock Poll yet? :lol:

/is only assuming it was him

[Kage]

I think that's a pretty safe assumption.

[superpeer]

Haha sorry, guys, but the 'edit poll' button is just so damn tempting. :upset:


:-*

[Adam Jones is GOD]

That cut deep man. :(


Time another band got some anti love, I think we've been well behaved recently

[Darkness]

Time another band got some anti love, I think we've been well behaved recently
Yeah man, go pick on Metallica or something.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

We're just too well rounded. Bands worth picking on aren't bands worth mentioning. :lol:

I was at my friend's house, who is a Tool fan, and coincidentally has internet to die for. Sometimes he can download at 200 kbps. Unfortunately, when I went after pt. II, the download crapped out at 9%. So he was just, oh well, let's just go jump my mountain board.

Which we did. I got 16.5 feet of air on it. :cool: (Over 4 metres for ye olde British blokes)

[F3AR FAKTORY]

My friend said that if you listen to disposition, reflection and triad in a certain order they go together. Whats the order?

[Daven]

I've always tought the order is the way you wrote them...

:confused:

[F3AR FAKTORY]

cool! i knew it

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Uh, Disposition then Reflection then Triad. Just as they are on the album. :confused: I'm not sure about D/R, but the R/T transition flows together in a very "Dark Side of the Moon"-esque sound.

Basically, it's the way it would sound if the band were playing live, and shelling out one song after the other. :shrug:

[Kage]

I always had trouble memorizing the track order for D/R/T, but there's a secret!

They're in alphabetical order. :-D

[Darkness]

I always thought it was pretty much common sense since thats the way there on the album, and thats the way its played live....

[Daven]

i never noticed that until now.

[Kage]

I just meant when I first got the album, remembering the track order and names of all the songs.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I just think of dirt, and how the fag trio of songs resembles it.








disclaimer: :p

[Futuro]

Which we did. I got 16.5 feet of air on it. (Over 4 metres for ye olde British blokes) Will you give me one of your cows in your will?

anyone gonna enter that death thingy, ill do some drums for people in tool thread if they send me guitar or bass tracks ETC.

offers in the air anyway(my feet got alot better so i can handle death metal now :) )

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

If your feet can handle it, why not do drums for Part of Me?

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=361500

Find it there, if you don't have it already. :-D

[Futuro]

If your feet can handle it, why not do drums for Part of Me? i uploaded to this thread along time ago :-/ did it get lost in rubble or sumthing?

[Daven]

wow, it sounds pretty good.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Must have. I never saw it. :upset: You got it up to your level of supremecy? Last time I asked you about it, you responded with "My feet aren't that fast, but I can groove like a fat chick."

I've never seen a fat chick groove, but I'll take your word on how "groovy" it really is. :cool:

Did you YSI it, or upload it to your personal Soundclick?

[Futuro]

Must have. I never saw it. You got it up to your level of supremecy? Last time I asked you about it, you responded with "My feet aren't that fast, but I can groove like a fat chick." I must have been speaking of the grudge... the beggining of part of me is fairly easy, maybe we were talking bout 2 different songs... Yeah but fat chicks really groove man, just turn on Direct effect (MTV rap)

Did you YSI it, or upload it to your personal Soundclick? I did a YSI on my freinds account (sweetbass)

[Darkness]

faith, I may take you up on that offer for drums for the death competition. I need to see if my bassist is in to do vocals/bass. Can you handle blast beats?

[JimbobTheSquirrel]

Has anyone else seen Rock School? I saw it on saturday and I'm still lauging at the "No Tool" sign that was hanging up in the rehearsal room...

[Kurrpt]

Has anyone else seen Rock School? I saw it on saturday and I'm still lauging at the "No Tool" sign that was hanging up in the rehearsal room...


i like that show :D


was it like the TOoL logo, or was it like a derogatory term like "dont be a tool"

[Huber]

THen wouldn't it be "No tools"? That wouldn't sound right.

[Kurrpt]

THen wouldn't it be "No tools"? That wouldn't sound right.


well, just because the word "tool" is present, doesnt mean it was specifically referring to the band...

i was just clarifying considering the fact i HAVENT seen that episode :thumb:

[Futuro]

faith, I may take you up on that offer for drums for the death competition. I need to see if my bassist is in to do vocals/bass. Can you handle blast beats? yeah i can hit 200 no problem now. so if i hear the track ill either do it, or put midi bass drums in it and real snare and cymbals.

[Huber]

Hands are the hardest part of blasts for me.

[joas]

Anyone care to upload Pt. 2 again? I downloaded I'm presuming part of it or an incomplete file, because QT won't open it.

[Futuro]

Hands are the hardest part of blasts for me.Really? thats odd man! normally people cant get there feet up to speed. but i learned how to kind of float my ankles and the speed comes from there.

[justpaul28]

Can some give me some information on Zaum? Maybe upload a track or two if they're feeling very, very nice. :)

[Darkness]

yeah i can hit 200 no problem now. so if i hear the track ill either do it, or put midi bass drums in it and real snare and cymbals.
Sounds good, I got my other guitarist in on it, and I'm doing bass/rhythm, and got a vocalist. It'll take a us a bit to get it done, so till then keep working on those feet of yours. :thumb:

[Syncratic]

Hey, guys....haven't been online for a few days......any new information in the world of Tool?

[Darkness]

Cd next week. :D :thumb:

[Syncratic]

Cd next week.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...............

Douche.....

Anywho, are we starting the whole cover thing again? Once I get a mic, I'll lend some acoustic tracks.

[BlindWriting]

Anyone like Apocalyptica? Finnish cello-metal. I saw them live last night. Allow me to whore my review.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=391424

[Futuro]

Anywho, are we starting the whole cover thing again? Once I get a mic, I'll lend some acoustic tracks. i might record "part of me" (AGAIN!)

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I just recorded Stinkfist right now. I forgot part of the song, so there are parts of it that are just kind of "empty." :p I made the solo a bit cooler by adding so wahnkange to it. I think I either need to do away with the flange, or something, because I hate the way it turns out with that effect.

Marshall- stfu, you know you like to play it. :lol:

[joas]

i might record "part of me" (AGAIN!)


Do Lateralus. :-*

[Darkness]

He's doing Part Of Me because theres already a guitar/bass track for it. Didn't Moses do some vocals for it to?

[BlindWriting]

Do Lateralus. :-*
I just finished learning Lateralus myself today. The last part I had to learn were the verses. I wish I had some means of recording myself playing it, but alas.

[Futuro]

Do Lateralus. :-* where were you a few months ago (doesnt know you) we finished lateralus already.


I just finished learning Lateralus myself today. The last part I had to learn were the verses. I wish I had some means of recording myself playing it, but alas.Good job! The hardest part for me was adding in the left foot tambourine with the groove, i cant member if i did it in the final take. :confused:

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Minus bass, still. :upset:

If anyone can record bass, and can play Lateralus, post something. I'll grab you the backing track, and you may record away.

[Darkness]

Anyone do vocals for Lateralus?

[BlindWriting]

Good job! The hardest part for me was adding in the left foot tambourine with the groove, i cant member if i did it in the final take. :confused:
That was you who posted the recording? It was awesome, I'd love to hear that again.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Anyone do vocals for Lateralus?

Moses did, yeah.

[static]

Good job! The hardest part for me was adding in the left foot tambourine with the groove, i cant member if i did it in the final take. :confused:

Could've sworn it was a cowbell...

[Darkness]

...Why do I not remember this recording... perhaps this was done when I was in Italy?

Where can I get it?

[Futuro]

Could've sworn it was a cowbell...that was an expiriment testing my independance, it was only one section.

...Why do I not remember this recording... perhaps this was done when I was in Italy?

Where can I get it? jake knows.... soundclick lacrymologist (sp?)

[Kage]

Moses did, yeah.
Woah, I never heard that...linkage :)

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Right click, save as here. (http://www.soundclick.com/util/downloadSong.cfm?ID=2629230&key=06E30429-B) That's the only version of Lateralus that I have. Only guitar(307) and drummies(faith).

Kage- I know Moses did em, but I don't think Ben ever uploaded it onto the Soundclick. In other words, no linkage.

[Sound Boy]

Minus bass, still. :upset:

If anyone can record bass, and can play Lateralus, post something. I'll grab you the backing track, and you may record away.

i can do it..its one of their easier songs on bass

[Kurrpt]

He's doing Part Of Me because theres already a guitar/bass track for it. Didn't Moses do some vocals for it to?


why, someone finally did vocals for that?


i used the worst (well not the WORST) patch for that guitar