Tool

[Dancin' Man]

Ohhhh yes.

[Otherside]

Nice.

[Dancin' Man]

I love Tool's version of Demon Cleaner (Kyuss)

It's so Tooley until that guitar part comes in. Josh Homme is the man.

[Kage]

But, to give a meaning to this post, have you ever been listening to Tool, or any other band for that matter, and just startedly freaking out/seeing things for no reason?

This has happened to me a couple times:
I'll be listening to Tool and drifting off to sleep, and I can still hear the song playing, but weird things are happening and I can see things like a dream, only I'm not fully asleep and I have a feeling the things I'm seeing have something to do with the song playing. I couldn't for my life tell you what I see, but at the time it's very clear, and scary. :amaze:

[deadohiosky9]

This has happened to me a couple times:
I'll be listening to Tool and drifting off to sleep, and I can still hear the song playing, but weird things are happening and I can see things like a dream, only I'm not fully asleep and I have a feeling the things I'm seeing have something to do with the song playing. I couldn't for my life tell you what I see, but at the time it's very clear, and scary. :amaze:

I always fall asleep listening to Tool. I've had a similar to urs. Maybe less scary though. I actually thought it was kinda cool.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

For those who never stroll into other forums, found this in the D/P forum

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5326037&postcount=1

Its different from the one i sent out

And first prize to whoever can guess what song its a part of

[Vampyre de Mort]

Its Adam's ability with effects and tone that makes him that much better, hearing other band's versions of Schism, you really start to appreciate Adam's genious. And Maynard is one of the greatest individuals i've heard in a while- both vocals and lyrics, but I like APC like a million times better.

[Vampyre de Mort]

I always fall asleep listening to Tool. I've had a similar to urs. Maybe less scary though. I actually thought it was kinda cool.

Dude I do the same thing! :lol:

[Killseng]

Its Adam's ability with effects and tone that makes him that much better, hearing other band's versions of Schism, you really start to appreciate Adam's genious. And Maynard is one of the greatest individuals i've heard in a while- both vocals and lyrics, but I like APC like a million times better.


Come on at least tone it down to a thousand.

[Muadip]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5326037&postcount=1



That's it!! I'm going of to see them live!! (runs around in feverish circles)

:upset: Why arn't they playing a show here (denmark) soon? I'm so depressed :upset:

[Magicaltroll]

ok not sure if anyones asked this but how the hell does adam make all those sounds like in the solos he does i think thats so cool can anyone explain how he does it if its like a technique or something. it kind of sounds like a whole lotta feedback to me but theres gotta be something more to it because it seems impossible to like "control" feedback or whatever, anyways id appreciate if someone could help me understand

[Otherside]

ok not sure if anyones asked this but how the hell does adam make all those sounds like in the solos he does i think thats so cool can anyone explain how he does it if its like a technique or something. it kind of sounds like a whole lotta feedback to me but theres gotta be something more to it because it seems impossible to like "control" feedback or whatever, anyways id appreciate if someone could help me understand

Satan.

[Magicaltroll]

o that explains it........ thanks

[ænima]

thats the mean druming is that a song theyve done, or is it going to be a song?

[Merkaba]

While you in a cool man thread jonny, still want eMOTIVE tracks sent to you? ill upload them if you do.

And im still looking forward to the DVD purely for the good live interpretation of the Noose, since when I saw them do it, the sound was bad

Sux....Every tool or apc show i've been to were all flawless. :cool:

[Reactor158]

Nothing weird ever happens to me while listening to Tool... but, I never listen to it right before falling asleep, either. Those are some pretty interesting experiences, though. Creepy, too!

[SonorKen]

Originally Posted by Adam Jones is GOD
While you in a cool man thread jonny, still want eMOTIVE tracks sent to you? ill upload them if you do.


I'll take them man, my aim name is SniffinLippy

[Agent_Orange]

Edited because the poster is too stupid to breathe........

[i Fling Pooh]

i do like radiohead. Radiohead is a vry well put together band and the music is very trippy. The best radiohead song ever is Fitter and Happier (i think its called). But Tool is a much betetr band. Tool has everything radiohead has but like a hundred times better. Better vocals, better guitar, better songs, way better lyrics. Radiohead is just slower.

[an_underused_memory]

i think radionhead and tool are similar but, really, saying that tool iis a much better band, or that tool is radiohead "a hundred times better," is like saying that strawberry milk is better than brie cheese.
They're both luxurious, but not the same, so opinion is just that.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I'll take them man, my aim name is SniffinLippy

AIM causes my cpu problems, so until I can find out what, ill have to put that on hold

[Adam Jones is GOD]

As an album, it does suck. As individual tracks that stand out, there are some great ones.

Passive and Whats going on stand out for me (love the whole reverbed tremelo effect)







SHOCK! :eek: YOU CHANGED YOUR AVATAR!

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I think a few of these tracks had been lying around for a while, and that they were mostly ready to be released for November 2nd (even though its intended effect seems to have failed). I could be wrong though.

Although another interesting comparison was given to me this week, looking at SOAD with their 2 'good' albums (i know most wont like them) followed by a mish mash album of tracks that were recorded at various times. They claimed it to be their new album even though others saw it as a b-side project.

Just interesting to compare the two situations

[Adam Jones is GOD]

And after checking tool's website, I must say, justin continues to be amazing as he isa promoting Yourcodenameis:Milo, a very interesting British band coming through slowly. Good to see that members of tool are still supporting other bands even when off tour

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

See SN

Refering to Radiohead post.

[Dancin' Man]

ok not sure if anyones asked this but how the hell does adam make all those sounds like in the solos he does i think thats so cool can anyone explain how he does it if its like a technique or something. it kind of sounds like a whole lotta feedback to me but theres gotta be something more to it because it seems impossible to like "control" feedback or whatever, anyways id appreciate if someone could help me understand

In case you still care, he uses lots of pinch harmonics and artificial harmonics I do believe. When they're combined with the right distortion, they can give some seriously weird feedback.

[Hevy Tred]

In case you still care, he uses lots of pinch harmonics and artificial harmonics I do believe. When they're combined with the right distortion, they can give some seriously weird feedback.

he uses a discontinued model of the les paul, really low amount made, it responds strangely to distortion and feedback and has a strange tonality, although its not a bad thing, gibson discontinued it because it didnt have that "Paul" tone.

im 96% sure of this

[Dancin' Man]

That's interesting. As far as I knew it was just a Silverburst studio LP or something.

[Kage]

Jones definately gets some bizarre tones in his playing...he's basically my guitar idol.

[Dancin' Man]

Nah, not guitar idol. Just does some cool stuff. For guitar idol I'd have to say Alexi Laiho. AJ is in contention for songwriting idol though. Right alongside Mikael Akerfeldt and Omar Rodriguez-Lopez.

[deadohiosky9]

Jones definately gets some bizarre tones in his playing...he's basically my guitar idol.

He's definetly my guitar idol!

[The JoZ]

That's interesting. As far as I knew it was just a Silverburst studio LP or something.

People complained about the Silverburst having odd tones, but Adam didn't.

So, I am certain that some of his tones do come from the guitar's uniqueness.

Also, he has used an Epilady at least once, although I don't know on what song. Third Eye, maybe?

And he does something weird on Triad too. When I say weird, I mean behind weird harmonics, but weird.

[Dancin' Man]

His tone also comes from what he uses to play. He uses an epilady sometimes to get that whirring, builing buzzing sort of sound.

EDIT: WTF Joz. You pre-emptively stole my post and had more to say in yours.

[Magicaltroll]

thanks for explaining that to me. i appreciate it :thumb:

[viruz]

i was mucking about trying to reoder the tracks according to this 'holy gift' theory (angelfire.com/ma4/question/insight7.html if u havent seen it) and came across a strange feeling while trying to sync up the end of parabola with the start of schism. i had the volume turned up loud, and i mean LOUD to make it easy to hear what was going on, and stumbled upon something. if you listen to the very end of parabola, just as the distortion dies down and the slow picking moves in, i heard what sounded like a swamp... Now i am very new to Tool, and already think theyre awesome, and i know that they have been around the block, so i did numerous searches on google to see if anyone had found this, but nobody had posted anything....at all. I was just wondering if its significant or if anyone else knew about this (perhaps some symbolism with 'swamp song') but i am confused no end :confused:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

People complained about the Silverburst having odd tones, but Adam didn't.

So, I am certain that some of his tones do come from the guitar's uniqueness.

Also, he has used an Epilady at least once, although I don't know on what song. Third Eye, maybe?

And he does something weird on Triad too. When I say weird, I mean behind weird harmonics, but weird.

I know he used an Natural finish LP custom in the past, not sure if he does now (still havent seen them live :angry: ) for songs such as Prison Sex and Parabola, due to the lower tuning.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

i was mucking about trying to reoder the tracks according to this 'holy gift' theory (angelfire.com/ma4/question/insight7.html if u havent seen it) and came across a strange feeling while trying to sync up the end of parabola with the start of schism. i had the volume turned up loud, and i mean LOUD to make it easy to hear what was going on, and stumbled upon something. if you listen to the very end of parabola, just as the distortion dies down and the slow picking moves in, i heard what sounded like a swamp... Now i am very new to Tool, and already think theyre awesome, and i know that they have been around the block, so i did numerous searches on google to see if anyone had found this, but nobody had posted anything....at all. I was just wondering if its significant or if anyone else knew about this (perhaps some symbolism with 'swamp song') but i am confused no end :confused:


Does this sound anything like the end of disgustipated? There is a constant swamp sound all the way through to Adam's little phone speech, is it the same?

i know tool encorporate a lot of 'can-only-hear-at-full-volume bits in their songs (most noticeable being on the Undertow album), but I wasnt aware of anymore.

Oh well, its an excuse to turn tool up loud some more I guess. maybe thats the motive they had in mind, and its a fake rumour usd to encourage loud playing of their albums to further promote their work? Or maybe they just like messing about

[risbo]

I searched but I couldn't find it. Can anyone tell me what pu****'s about? I've fallen in love with that song.

[Otherside]

I searched but I couldn't find it. Can anyone tell me what pu****'s about? I've fallen in love with that song.


Come on man, try and find your own meaning. Tool's songs are 4 times better when you have your own meaning for the song. There is no definitive meaning for the songs, the only thing you'll find on the internet is interpretations of others.

[omgwtfboogie]

Some guy managed to make an amazingly accurate and detailed comparison between Pu****'s lyrics and a philosopher's work.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Its one of tools songs where the meaning could be a very personal one for the listener (i know it is for me), and whatever the original message of the song was will not be important for those who draw their own meaning. I wouldn't like to hear MJK suddenly tell us all 'no, you're wrong, this is what its about'. It would take something away for me

[Magicaltroll]

yeah i wouldnt really like to know what the song is REALLY about because i kinda like to make my own meanings, i mean i like reading others reviews to see what they got out of the song but i just think you should find your own meanings to the song because its alot funner that way (well for me it is because i like trying to find meaning to lyrics or songs, whatever...)

[Dancin' Man]

I want to know exactly what it's about just to spite AJIG. :p

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I want to know exactly what it's about just to spite AJIG. :p

Its all about the terrible consequnces that occur to cheeky young men who try and get one up on their elders :evil:

[Dancin' Man]

ohhh.... :upset:



Guess I'm going to hell now.

[SonorKen]

Come on man, try and find your own meaning. Tool's songs are 4 times better when you have your own meaning for the song. There is no definitive meaning for the songs, the only thing you'll find on the internet is interpretations of others.
Your exactly right, thats what makes Tools stuff so great. Everyone can have thier own opinion on what it means. Some of the lyrics I write are like that. People always get thier own opinion on what it means. I think the worse thing would be to write a song and someone come up and say, this is exactly what it means (unless your shooting for that) and be correct.

Some of Tool's stuff is pretty easy to see the meaning of, Aenema, 46 and 2, songs like that. Most of it is left to interpretation...

[deadohiosky9]

I know that if Maynard came out and was like this is what this osng is about and so on, I would be crushed. I like to take my own meanings from the lyrics. I think its more of a personal thing. Thank to have one defined meaning. This is especially important with Tool.

[slaughteredfirst]

Hello everybody,

Im just really getting into tool now, so dose anyone have a good first cd to get by them?

I plan on getting the one with sober on it too.

Help would be apprecated!

[omgwtfboogie]

I know that if Maynard came out and was like this is what this osng is about and so on, I would be crushed. I like to take my own meanings from the lyrics. I think its more of a personal thing. Thank to have one defined meaning. This is especially important with Tool.
Exactly, his lyrics are like open minded questions...they'll be different for everyone and not staring you in the face.

[ThirteenthStep]

Hello everybody,

Im just really getting into tool now, so dose anyone have a good first cd to get by them?

I plan on getting the one with sober on it too.

Help would be apprecated!


Aenima would be a really good first CD to get of theres... Its extremely good and shows all of the many talents and sides of the band... Lateralus would be a good CD to start with too, and it has pretty much all amazing tracks. Sober is on Undertow, which is a very good CD, but I think you should start off with Aenima, tahts my opinion.

[Otherside]

Aenima => Undertow => Lateralus => Opiate

^^^ that would be a good order.

You get to see their best first, then what led up to that album, then their most current work, and then go back to see what influenced them.

[Kage]

Get Lateralus first.

[x the patient x6]

i got all of mine backwards (Lateralus, AEnima, Undertow, Opiate), and it was very intresting to see how theyve come along as a band, so you may want to try that, but you can do what you want, dont listen to me or anyone else

[x the patient x6]

well, since i missed a few pages on eMOTIVe and Radiohead, ill give my 2 cents and my 15 minutes of fame now, even though i am a few pages late

ok so, eMOTIVe, i like it, call me crazy but i do. as whole, but the ones that stand out the most for me are People are People and Whats Goin'. Gimme Gimme Gimme i like, which may surprise some if you. i like the live version of Passive (or then called Vacant) better than the one on the album. the two songs that doesnt really do it for me is (Whats So Funny 'Bout) Peace Love and Understanding and When the Levee breaks, kind of boring. the part that surprises me the most about the album is that Billy does lead vocals on 3 or so songs, and Maynard plays piano on Imagine, even though i read this thing where he said he couldnt walk and chew gum at the same time, let alone play piano, also Paz's readdition is cool, and Lohner...james barely did anything, which was kind of dissapointing because i just got into Smashing Pumpkins and was expecting more from James, what i like about the new additions, is that its not Maynard and 4 other people, its 7 people as a whole

and the radiohead thing

i get music-asms listening to both bands, often, and alot]

ok later

[deadohiosky9]

i got all of mine backwards (Lateralus, AEnima, Undertow, Opiate), and it was very intresting to see how theyve come along as a band, so you may want to try that, but you can do what you want, dont listen to me or anyone else

Thats how I got mine too. Works great. I recommend it.

[omgwtfboogie]

Get Lateralus first.
Indeed.

Lateralus' songs each represent exactly what TOOL is known for.

[Det_Nosnip]

Hey, I had a question for any fans of Tool that play guitar (AdamjonesisGod particularly): what do you find attractive about Adam Jones' style? Drummers and bassists obviously have alot to look for, as alot of the songs are heavily geared towards those instruments, but most of Jones' playing isn't especially technical, aside from the rhythmic aspects obviously. I mean, there aren't any huge arpeggio million note Petrucci/Romeo style solos and crazy leads. So, what are Adam's strengths as a player, and what are good examples?

[an_underused_memory]

Re: the order to get tool albums - I disagree that lateralus is the best get first...think its much easier to appreciate once you're familiar with the style..I think aenima or undertow are the best starters.
But really, perhaps no matter what order you first buy them , you'l still be able to appreciate them after a million listens, so go buy the first tool album you can get!

Also, bout the song-meanings - I think we're a bit precious about the whole issue. To me when someone asks "waht does push.it mean??" they don't mean "give the absolute definitve meaning" they mean "what does it mean to you?"
There's a big difference between attributing a fixed definition to a song, and sharing our veiwpoints of a song.
I for one don't like being an island: if I hear an interpretation that I like and hadn't thought of, I can modify my original thoughts.
Sometimes the way we talk about it, it seems that any interpretation HAS to be entirely our own and un-influenced by others for it to be valid. Since this is impossible, I embrace my desire to feel connected by tapping into the vast source of interpretation, conspiracy and semiotics that is the WWW.

I realise that i'm preaching to the converted mostly, but I felt it needed to be said.
Us aussies extend to americans a big hug of sympathy between our nations for somehow re-electing our war-mongering leaders.
cheers...

[+3kk!]

Hey, I had a question for any fans of Tool that play guitar (AdamjonesisGod particularly): what do you find attractive about Adam Jones' style? Drummers and bassists obviously have alot to look for, as alot of the songs are heavily geared towards those instruments, but most of Jones' playing isn't especially technical, aside from the rhythmic aspects obviously. I mean, there aren't any huge arpeggio million note Petrucci/Romeo style solos and crazy leads. So, what are Adam's strengths as a player, and what are good examples?

a good rythm player,tool is a rythm band.but adam is mainly responsible for tools weird image and sound.

[viruz]

just wondering if anybody has found any truth about that whole mantra=cat rumour, cos i found that speeding it up only makes it sound weirder (kinda like a car alarm)

[the2stranger]

^^^

I read, in the tool faq, which can be trusted, I think


that it is maynard squeesing his cat.

how do do speed it up?
do you have profesionel equipment at home?

o, and has anyone ever listened to lateralus (album) at a 20 bit cd-player?, it should contain hidden sounds and all kinds of weird things

[viruz]

i had heard from my friend that it was maynard squeezing his cat, but i dont know about this. and yeah, i used soundforge 6 to speed it up. i have experimented with the pitch modulation, and it does support the theory that it is dry heaves, as it sounds like a woman groaning and a man heaving :naughty: (not what ure thinkin) but it is definitely a weird track

[viruz]

if anyone has any tips on deciphering mantra, then it would be much appreciated :D

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Hey, I had a question for any fans of Tool that play guitar (AdamjonesisGod particularly): what do you find attractive about Adam Jones' style? Drummers and bassists obviously have alot to look for, as alot of the songs are heavily geared towards those instruments, but most of Jones' playing isn't especially technical, aside from the rhythmic aspects obviously. I mean, there aren't any huge arpeggio million note Petrucci/Romeo style solos and crazy leads. So, what are Adam's strengths as a player, and what are good examples?

To me, Adams strenghts lie in the range of tones he can produce. Some people may say that anyone can create a tone like that, but Adam consitnetly produces ones that fit the feel of a song, or set a good template for the foundations of a song.

As for skill, the one thing that impresses me the most about Adam is the way he can carelessly tremelo pick, then tremelo with pinch harmonics all at once. Not many guitarists can do such a thing. And I ignore the critics of the drop D tuning, since half the chords that he uses are only possible to play in D, and produce unique styles.

Also, i love the guys stage performance. he's not one of those guitarists who jumps around, plays behind his head, etc. He just stays there and flows with the music, a style I adopted when playing a while ago. And he very rarely messes up due to this


examples of his best playing - (solos) Lateralus, Eulogy, Pushit (live)
ANd of course, Triad best shows off his unique feedback manipulation

[jamesclelland]

Hey, I had a question for any fans of Tool that play guitar (AdamjonesisGod particularly): what do you find attractive about Adam Jones' style? Drummers and bassists obviously have alot to look for, as alot of the songs are heavily geared towards those instruments, but most of Jones' playing isn't especially technical, aside from the rhythmic aspects obviously. I mean, there aren't any huge arpeggio million note Petrucci/Romeo style solos and crazy leads. So, what are Adam's strengths as a player, and what are good examples?

That's actually the best part, he doesn't have to be f**king randy rhodes to play a good song. he takes a cool riff, breaks it down to "the molecular level" and just add's different aspects until HE is happy with it. and every time it comes out beautifily. you may not know this but difficultly doesn't make a good song. how it sounds with jc and danny is whats important.

[jamesclelland]

forgot, forty six and two is an excellent example. he uses the intro riff, and turns that subtle riff into the chorus, the solo thingy where he uses pinch harmonics on different parts of the strings. a perfect example of one riff broken down and built up to create something beautiful.

[deadohiosky9]

To me, Adams strenghts lie in the range of tones he can produce. Some people may say that anyone can create a tone like that, but Adam consitnetly produces ones that fit the feel of a song, or set a good template for the foundations of a song.

As for skill, the one thing that impresses me the most about Adam is the way he can carelessly tremelo pick, then tremelo with pinch harmonics all at once. Not many guitarists can do such a thing. And I ignore the critics of the drop D tuning, since half the chords that he uses are only possible to play in D, and produce unique styles.

Also, i love the guys stage performance. he's not one of those guitarists who jumps around, plays behind his head, etc. He just stays there and flows with the music, a style I adopted when playing a while ago. And he very rarely messes up due to this


examples of his best playing - (solos) Lateralus, Eulogy, Pushit (live)
ANd of course, Triad best shows off his unique feedback manipulation

I agree. I like how he doesn't run around and stuff. It makes him a unique guitarist. His sound is very unique and his tone is incredible. And let's not forget about 4 Degrees, kick as.s solo in that song.

[Quebec]

I,ve just listened to faaip de oiad. I don't realy know what to think about this track so i'd like to have your opinions about it. Thanks

[Kage]

Like others have said, Adam is extremely unique rhythmicly and I love the way he constructs songs out of his riffs, streaming different ideas together seamlessly to make these epic songs. Also, he's able to create weird tones and atmospheres, and his solos are so unique, that they don't need to be technical.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I,ve just listened to faaip de oiad. I don't realy know what to think about this track so i'd like to have your opinions about it. Thanks

Its a snippet from a call in to a radio station a while back, by a man claiming to be a former Area 51 employee (you can find then 'lyrics' at most tool sites)

It was later dismissed by the caller as a hoax, but the interesting part was that the end of the track is when the radio station went down, as well as several others across the state. So maybe there was something else afoot there.....

the 'music' in the background is tool created of course

[x the patient x6]

I,ve just listened to faaip de oiad. I don't realy know what to think about this track so i'd like to have your opinions about it. Thanks

pretty much everything AJIG said, but also, if you follow the Lateralus and the Quabala theory, it turns out that it is the "Voice Of God at the end of the journey" but, the caller said it was a hoax, so what does that imply about god? very intresting stuff, more can be learned at www.toolpantheon.com, ok later

i like adams style because it is heavy on rhythm and not so flashy, i would much rather listen to a guitarist who stands there and does his thing, then runs around and feels the need to show off and improvise, because, i suck at lead, i can play almost (keyword almost) anything that Adam does, thats my schpeal, ok later, again

[clearvision]

I like adam because his stuff doesn't stick out, it supports maynards lines and re-inforces them. But if you wanna listen to adam you can still find stuff to listen to...if it makes any sense...

[Dancin' Man]

Hey, I had a question for any fans of Tool that play guitar (AdamjonesisGod particularly): what do you find attractive about Adam Jones' style? Drummers and bassists obviously have alot to look for, as alot of the songs are heavily geared towards those instruments, but most of Jones' playing isn't especially technical, aside from the rhythmic aspects obviously. I mean, there aren't any huge arpeggio million note Petrucci/Romeo style solos and crazy leads. So, what are Adam's strengths as a player, and what are good examples?


The rhythmic playing is my favorite part. He also is very good at writing simple yet effective riffs (the entirety of Lateralus (song and album)). Then he uses interesting effects and ways to play. He's creative without being mindblowing.

The song Lateralus is probably the best show of how he plays. The intro riff is perfect, the rhythm in the chorus part is unique and there's the solo

[Det_Nosnip]

See, yeah....alot of these things are noticable to me just as a musician, which is why I can appreciate him, but I was just wondering how the music sounds from a guitarplayer's perspective. I'm in a band right now with a guitarist who's just an absolute DT nut, and I was trying to convince him to do the song "Schism" because I'm fairly certain I can play it on the drums given a little bit more practicing to it (odd time's my speciality, and that's really the most demanding part of the song aside from the end).

[jamesclelland]

thats another thing, tool isnt just adam jones. danny has some of the best drumming i've ever heard. jimmy for instance right befor e the flanged interlude thing. jc on bass especially like 46&2. tool simply wouldn't be tool without all four of them. if somebody died (knock on wood) they couldn't pull it off with a replacement.

[x the patient x6]

thats another thing, tool isnt just adam jones. danny has some of the best drumming i've ever heard. jimmy for instance right befor e the flanged interlude thing. jc on bass especially like 46&2. tool simply wouldn't be tool without all four of them. if somebody died (knock on wood) they couldn't pull it off with a replacement.

yeah, i really dont get why alot of people treat Tool and APC as Maynard and some other people, which is totally false. theyre an entity, one mass of music made by a collection of people, not just one man. thats all i really have to say, ok later

[viruz]

i am a 15 year old musician, so i tend to dissect music and look at it from a musician's point of view, and personally, i think that all of them are excellent musicians, not just as a group but in themselves. each of the members are fantastic, and bringing them together has made them an epic band. there is no other band out there, past or present, that could be compared to them. they are daring musicians who push the boundaries of perception and raise the bar of music. they are more than just a band, they are god. they combine soulful rhythms with powerful emotion, and skyrocket the feelings of everybody who has ever listened to them. they are physically and spiritually the best band that has ever existed. the music that can be percieved in a personal way by the fans is something that EVERYONE should strive for, and only Tool can do it as well as they do. in conclusion, it can only be said that Tool=God, and there is your proof. best band of all time, no argument will stand :thumb: and anyone who disagrees can go straight to hell for not believing in the god that is jc, dc, aj, and mjk combined into the greatest band that ever existed EVER

[Magicaltroll]

Get Lateralus first.
i got lateralus first and it was kinda alot for me to take in so i think aenima would be a good choice for a first cd to get but thats just my opinion.

[Magicaltroll]

i am a 15 year old musician, so i tend to dissect music and look at it from a musician's point of view, and personally, i think that all of them are excellent musicians, not just as a group but in themselves. each of the members are fantastic, and bringing them together has made them an epic band. there is no other band out there, past or present, that could be compared to them. they are daring musicians who push the boundaries of perception and raise the bar of music. they are more than just a band, they are god. they combine soulful rhythms with powerful emotion, and skyrocket the feelings of everybody who has ever listened to them. they are physically and spiritually the best band that has ever existed. the music that can be percieved in a personal way by the fans is something that EVERYONE should strive for, and only Tool can do it as well as they do. in conclusion, it can only be said that Tool=God, and there is your proof. best band of all time, no argument will stand :thumb: and anyone who disagrees can go straight to hell for not believing in the god that is jc, dc, aj, and mjk combined into the greatest band that ever existed EVER

ok calm down i dont think best band EVER maybe to you or iin thier genre maybe
i mean dont get me wrong tool is my favorite band and i agree they are fantastic and VERY talented but saying theyre god is just a little far fetched
to me
i dont know thats just me but im just saying i dont agree with the whole "BEST EVER" concept because thats like saying your music sucks and everyother band sucks compared to tool i mean theres a whole lot of good music thats out there not just tool.......

[viruz]

i got lateralus first and it was kinda alot for me to take in so i think aenima would be a good choice for a first cd to get but thats just my opinion.

ive only got lateralus and undertow, and i think that getting them in the order ppl are suggesting is quite good. im kinda gonna work my way backwards, and go: undertow, lateralus, aenema, salival, opiate. kind of an odd order, but hey, whatever works for you.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

ok calm down i dont think best band EVER maybe to you or iin thier genre maybe
i mean dont get me wrong tool is my favorite band and i agree they are fantastic and VERY talented but saying theyre god is just a little far fetched
to me
i dont know thats just me but im just saying i dont agree with the whole "BEST EVER" concept because thats like saying your music sucks and everyother band sucks compared to tool i mean theres a whole lot of good music thats out there not just tool.......


Just to add to this (and this is going to seem very ironic considering my screen name), I dont think its possible to give an musician the title of God. bands like Tool can provoke some very strong emotions, but i try to not get carried away with my view of the band.

And as for best band ever, I dont think any band could ever deserve that title. There are those that are influential, those that are unique, those that have consistency and those that have mass appeal. of course, there are more qualities to consider, but there will never be a band that can do it all.

[Magicaltroll]

well said :thumb:

[Kage]

ive only got lateralus and undertow, and i think that getting them in the order ppl are suggesting is quite good. im kinda gonna work my way backwards, and go: undertow, lateralus, aenema, salival, opiate. kind of an odd order, but hey, whatever works for you.

Weird how you carry on about them, yet you only have two of their albums.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Tool fanatic, but your rant went a little far. :naughty:

As for the which album first controversy, I got Lateralus, Aenima, Undertow, Opiate in that order. It worked well for me. Lateralus was, indeed, a lot to take in, but it was worth it when it really soaked in and I was able to appreciate it more. Then, buying the other two albums helped me realize what led up to that point, which, to me, is the height of their career.

[Expresso]

See, yeah....alot of these things are noticable to me just as a musician, which is why I can appreciate him, but I was just wondering how the music sounds from a guitarplayer's perspective. I'm in a band right now with a guitarist who's just an absolute DT nut, and I was trying to convince him to do the song "Schism" because I'm fairly certain I can play it on the drums given a little bit more practicing to it (odd time's my speciality, and that's really the most demanding part of the song aside from the end).
My advice, tell him to learn the actual part, and then if he can play it on time with you guys, tell him to alter the track to his liking. Keep the feel, yet incorporate some of his ideas. You could turn it into a fun song for him, and if you ever played it live, you could revert to the real version. I know, I know, I'm a traitor for even thinking about changing a Tool song. Well, if he is really discouraged with Adam Jones' playing, this might change his mind.

And, those parts at the end of Schism are not anything to discard or shrug off... it's incredible how strong and powerful the ending is, not many people can pull that feeling off, good luck to you man.

[Dancin' Man]

Or he could just put in a bunch of strange fills in random spots. That way he gets to do the virtuoso thing and you get Schism. A more unique Schism than all the other cover-ers.

[SonorKen]

Just to add to this (and this is going to seem very ironic considering my screen name), I dont think its possible to give an musician the title of God. bands like Tool can provoke some very strong emotions, but i try to not get carried away with my view of the band.

And as for best band ever, I dont think any band could ever deserve that title. There are those that are influential, those that are unique, those that have consistency and those that have mass appeal. of course, there are more qualities to consider, but there will never be a band that can do it all.
I agree, well said. The thing is, look at how much emotion this band evokes out of most of us. When you listen to thier music and it helps you feel spiritual how can you be in awe of thier music.

I do agree that Maynard gets too much credit. All 4 of them make the perfect fit, without any single one of them the band would not be the same.

[Magicaltroll]

ok perfect circle is basically billys band right? because ive heard form some people that maynard started it and then heard from some other people that billy started it. i believe billy started it but im not sure id just appreciate it if someone could tell me who started it thanks
(almost positive billy started it but just making sure :thumb: )

[an_underused_memory]

I think its handy that, if tool are GOD, then at least they have JC in the band already.

billy started APC, magicaltroll, go google for a bio of the band and do some research....then post if you find anything unusual :)
surely there's an APC FAQ that answers these questions somewhere :)

[Kage]

Not to be "one of those guys" but I really don't think APC questions belong in the Tool thread. I know many would argue, but, really, Tool and APC have nothing in common and are not the same in any way except that they share one band member.

Tool > APC

[Det_Nosnip]

My advice, tell him to learn the actual part, and then if he can play it on time with you guys, tell him to alter the track to his liking. Keep the feel, yet incorporate some of his ideas. You could turn it into a fun song for him, and if you ever played it live, you could revert to the real version. I know, I know, I'm a traitor for even thinking about changing a Tool song. Well, if he is really discouraged with Adam Jones' playing, this might change his mind.

And, those parts at the end of Schism are not anything to discard or shrug off... it's incredible how strong and powerful the ending is, not many people can pull that feeling off, good luck to you man.

Yeah. Somehow, I think when he tries to play it with a full band, he'll gain a new respect for what they're doing....the challenge in Tool is not the individual parts (aside from Carey), but actually keeping everything tight as a group while playing such contrasting rhythmic patterns.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I think its handy that, if tool are GOD, then at least they have JC in the band already.


Did that just come to you, or were you storing that for a while? :lol:

I've got no complaints with a Brit being the son of God Mk II

[TOOLphreak_46and2]

Get Lateralus first.


in my opinion i think you would be better off getting Salival ( for the more fortunate ones who have it ), Lateralus,Ænima,Undertow,Opiate! dont get me wrong...all these CD's kick MAJOR @$$ but....if you want..hell get them all at the same time! haha! Maynard is awesome! I LOVE TOOL!!!!

[clearvision]

Maynard gets all the credit 'cause his voice is most prominent in the well known songs and carries the melody line. It's little parts like disposition for guitar and the grudge for drums that let you see how virtuosic the band actually are. In many songs the rest of the band just support maynard and build/release tension around him...Although maynard may not do the most important job in the band, he is what most people listen to and follow. I actually havent got a clue how good justin is on bass and i couldn't name any of his lines. Is it just me or does anyone else not hear the bass in tool songs :confused:

[Refl]

Maynard gets all the credit 'cause his voice is most prominent in the well known songs and carries the melody line. It's little parts like disposition for guitar and the grudge for drums that let you see how virtuosic the band actually are. In many songs the rest of the band just support maynard and build/release tension around him...Although maynard may not do the most important job in the band, he is what most people listen to and follow. I actually havent got a clue how good justin is on bass and i couldn't name any of his lines. Is it just me or does anyone else not hear the bass in tool songs :confused:


The bass has become a more prominent part of tools music since justin came along. E.G. schism
Paul D'amour was far more low key within the bands infrastructure.

[deadohiosky9]

Maynard gets all the credit 'cause his voice is most prominent in the well known songs and carries the melody line. It's little parts like disposition for guitar and the grudge for drums that let you see how virtuosic the band actually are. In many songs the rest of the band just support maynard and build/release tension around him...Although maynard may not do the most important job in the band, he is what most people listen to and follow. I actually havent got a clue how good justin is on bass and i couldn't name any of his lines. Is it just me or does anyone else not hear the bass in tool songs :confused:

I often don't hear the basslines. On Undertow and Opiate, its hard to. But on Ænema and Lateralus its much moer noticeable. You just have to listen closely.

[MistyMountainHop]

Tool is the Pink Floyd of our time. Atleast they have the potential to be so if they keep coming out with real good albums.

Favorite Tool songs:

1. H
2. Lateralus
3. Undertow/Jimmy
no specific order:
Eulogy
Aenima
Hooker with a *****
Stinkfist
Opiate
Parabola
Forty Six and Two
Schism

[jamesclelland]

all tool songs are bada** but i'd have to say my favorite(s) are:
Disposition/reflection
Traid-however he does that intro solo, its amazing
Eulogy
Cold and Ugly

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

3 Fav Tool Songs
Hooker With a *****
Ticks and Leeches (Drums are so good)
Third Eye

[Kage]

I think the bass is somewhat prominent within Tool, especially given the fact that he often doesn't just follow the guitar. If you listen to him, he has some awesome lines and it melds so well within the drums and guitar.

[Magicaltroll]

Not to be "one of those guys" but I really don't think APC questions belong in the Tool thread. I know many would argue, but, really, Tool and APC have nothing in common and are not the same in any way except that they share one band member.

Tool > APC

yeah but i just put that question in there because in the rules or whatever at the beginning of the forum it says put anything tool related in here including bands members of tool are/were in
so i thought id put it in here,
but yeah the bass is much more noticable in aenima and lateralus. but ive noticed that undertow has some noticable bass to (i dont know about opiate, i dont have it :upset: ) .but compared to aenima its not that noticable.
also, does anyone know what songs paul wrote and which songs justin wrote with the band on aenima?
because i dont notice any songs being any different from eachother and most bands who change a musician their music changes a little bit. but yeah i was just wondering. i couldnt really find anything on that. thanks

[deadohiosky9]

The basslines in A Perfect Circle are much more noticeable than in Tool imo.

[an_underused_memory]

yeah but i just put that question in there because in the rules or whatever at the beginning of the forum it says put anything tool related in here including bands members of tool are/were in
so i thought id put it in here,


Exactly.....this is a thread for anything Tool-related - and having a member of tool in your band makes it pretty **** Tool-related, don't you think? :)
APC is just the highest profile tool-relation, but zaum, peach, pigmy love circus, puscifier, and I'm sure someone could tell me others, are all valid for discussion here....

Maybe I feel I little sorry for you posters who only like Tool having questions re: other bands in the thread...
But i'm pretty sure there's many, like me, who love both APC n Tool....

To me, anything tool related has a certain sheen ...don't ask me what its a sheen of, but its a sheen of something!
Hence the discussion of tool related books, and so on...not about the music of tool, but still in the "tool family tree"

Some tool-related news: did anyone notice the interveiw with Neil Peart (Rush) about prog rock in Drum magazine recently? He talks about the bands that he thinks give hope to rock music and the three are:
Porcupine Tree (UK)
Tool
and
The Mars Volta

So there you go...I'm not a big rush fan, (though pearts a brilliant drummer!) however I think its great for tool to be acknowledged in that sense....

[an_underused_memory]

Re: all the bass talk ....
I agree with deadohio, I find the bass lines in APC (13th step mainly) very fat, they're often dubbed 3 or 4 times in different octaves or with diff FX, and it really suits their style...
I find in tool that often the bass is playing moving part, whilst the guitar plays repeated chords... the opposite to the norm in many bands ...its almost a funk influence, having lead rhythm/bass parts and static guitar.
But that style alternates frequently with the deep low end JC playing...

[x the patient x6]

hi di oh, sorry to change the topic slightly, but what exactly is Zuam? (after all, all projects with Tool members are valid topics here) ive done alot of looking, but didnt find a whole lot, so if someone could enlighten me, that be cool, ok later

[Reactor158]

hi di oh, sorry to change the topic slightly, but what exactly is Zuam? (after all, all projects with Tool members are valid topics here) ive done alot of looking, but didnt find a whole lot, so if someone could enlighten me, that be cool, ok later

It's Zaum, not Zuam. And it's one of Danny Carey's side projects. Other than that, I don't know much about it.

[Reactor158]

Exactly.....this is a thread for anything Tool-related - and having a member of tool in your band makes it pretty **** Tool-related, don't you think? :)
APC is just the highest profile tool-relation, but zaum, peach, pigmy love circus, puscifier, and I'm sure someone could tell me others, are all valid for discussion here....

Maybe I feel I little sorry for you posters who only like Tool having questions re: other bands in the thread...
But i'm pretty sure there's many, like me, who love both APC n Tool....

To me, anything tool related has a certain sheen ...don't ask me what its a sheen of, but its a sheen of something!
Hence the discussion of tool related books, and so on...not about the music of tool, but still in the "tool family tree"

Some tool-related news: did anyone notice the interveiw with Neil Peart (Rush) about prog rock in Drum magazine recently? He talks about the bands that he thinks give hope to rock music and the three are:
Porcupine Tree (UK)
Tool
and
The Mars Volta

So there you go...I'm not a big rush fan, (though pearts a brilliant drummer!) however I think its great for tool to be acknowledged in that sense....



That's awesome(the bit about Neil Peart). Rush is an excellent band.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Some tool-related news: did anyone notice the interveiw with Neil Peart (Rush) about prog rock in Drum magazine recently? He talks about the bands that he thinks give hope to rock music and the three are:
Porcupine Tree (UK)
Tool
and
The Mars Volta

So there you go...I'm not a big rush fan, (though pearts a brilliant drummer!) however I think its great for tool to be acknowledged in that sense....

Two amazing bands and a UK band that even i haven't heard of. Good to see musicians who are paying attention to the world of music.

Just for my info (apart from clearvision, who has to be from the UK) is anyone else here from the UK?

[x the patient x6]

It's Zaum, not Zuam. And it's one of Danny Carey's side projects. Other than that, I don't know much about it.

sorry, i suck at typing

[Magicaltroll]

The basslines in A Perfect Circle are much more noticeable than in Tool imo.
i noticed that apc's guitarist doesnt really do power chords alot its almost all like soloish type stuff i mean yeah he does play power chords some of the time but you know how bands alot of the times have guitar and bass doing the same thing well in apc it doesnt seem to do that an awful lot as in other bands.
but i like that about them :thumb:

[deadohiosky9]

i noticed that apc's guitarist doesnt really do power chords alot its almost all like soloish type stuff i mean yeah he does play power chords some of the time but you know how bands alot of the times have guitar and bass doing the same thing well in apc it doesnt seem to do that an awful lot as in other bands.
but i like that about them :thumb:

Ya Billy's style is definetly unique. Its awesome.

[SonorKen]

hahaha I made Tools link red in the Rules thread. Lets see how long it takes someone to gripe about it!

[SonorKen]

Blah, I hate APC talk in our Tool thread!!

[an_underused_memory]

Stagefrightken, I'm sure you've read the inaugral post of this thread that states it is for anything tool-elated, not just tool :P
Doesn't mean you have to like it, but since talk of APC is getting a bashing recently, I feel like sticking up for it!

AJisGOD, (and anyone else) def try n check out Porcupine Tree...they are absolutely nothing like tool or mars volta, the early stuff is just one guy is his bedromm and heavily electronic, (sounds great!) but for the drummers, the full band cds that start around '97 are good too.

Anyone else read the Bob Frissell book from the tool reading list?

I've been reading it and....mind blowing stuff....i'm being taught history by a shaman at the moment and coincides perfectly....this book is surely (partially) is the background to most of aenima...the bits that aren't Hicks related, anyway....

I'm a complete spiritual cynic, but this book still grabbed me, so highly recommended for all you who've resisted so far!

if anyone else has read it, let me know if you'd heard the philosophies in the book before reading it, and how you reacted, i'd be most interested...

[an_underused_memory]

It's Zaum, not Zuam. And it's one of Danny Carey's side projects. Other than that, I don't know much about it.

Zaum is a project for Carey that focused around his electronics, I think mostly improvised, large-scale works...
They only existed for a while in the down-time between aenima and lateralus, but DC has repeated said that he's looking forward to getting them (i think it was a trio) back together, perhaps to record a live album...

Since tool are currently finishing their next record and no doubt they'll tour as well, I can't see Zaum happening again for at least another 2 years....

Did anyone notice that APC has swelled its ranks to include most of the players who were ever there?? Danny and Paz were on the record, no doubt as session musos only, but nevertheless, I think that puts to rest the talk about APC being too volatile to stay in...

[Det_Nosnip]

hi di oh, sorry to change the topic slightly, but what exactly is Zuam? (after all, all projects with Tool members are valid topics here) ive done alot of looking, but didnt find a whole lot, so if someone could enlighten me, that be cool, ok later

I have the 4 track demo album in .mp3 form. If you want it, hit me up on AIM @Theotedted.

[Det_Nosnip]

Is anyone kinda worried about what Tool might be doing on the new album? I like when they're heavy, but they keep mentioning how they've been really influenced by Meshuggah alot lately, which kind of bothers me. Meshuggah has some interesting ideas, but their music is painful to listen to...I really just hate the whole industrial "I'm going to play one power chord note over and over again but do it to some weird syncopated rhythm" kind of approach. If anything, I'd rather hear more melody in Tool, not less (rather ironic, coming from a drummer!).

[ArcLite]

I'm intersted to see what they come out with. But yeah, I hope they don't **** it up. Make new material, but don't drift to far from the sound that everybody loves.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

hahaha I made Tools link red in the Rules thread. Lets see how long it takes someone to gripe about it!

I should be bold and underlined too :angry:

Then again, the amount of people who will probably read the rules at any point....


As for how tool will sound, I cant imagine Adam taking the style of Meshuggah on board that much, it wouldn't suit him that well. If anything, he may be cranking up the ol' distortion a bit more and increasing his bpm, but the member who is probably going to have the biggest influence is Danny. I remeber he said once that he wasnt a big fan of double pedal work as he didnt have the stamina for it, so maybe now he will have worked on it more and we can expect it to be encorporated more into their songs.

This is all guess work of course, but I can only see influence being a minor adapting thing rather than a mass change of artistic direction

[clearvision]

Tool related aye? Anyone hear that tapeworm is no longer gnna happen. I only found out about it after hearing passive off the new APC alb. I think it would have been a cool project. Anyone got any further info on this? or any mp3's you could gmail me?

[Iai]

If anything, I'd rather hear more melody in Tool, not less (rather ironic, coming from a drummer!).
I agree with this statement totally.

I'd also like to see the band mix up their tone. Adam and Justin seem to have the same tone on every song, and it gets really boring after a while.

[Dancin' Man]

I agree with this statement totally.

I'd also like to see the band mix up their tone. Adam and Justin seem to have the same tone on every song, and it gets really boring after a while.

I wouldn't hope too hard. With them having been influenced by Meshuggah, I can only see more rhythm coming. Adam and Justin often do sound very alike but at least you can hear both of them well.

[Dancin' Man]

Tool related aye? Anyone hear that tapeworm is no longer gnna happen. I only found out about it after hearing passive off the new APC alb. I think it would have been a cool project. Anyone got any further info on this? or any mp3's you could gmail me?


Dammit! That was some cool stuff. I only have like 3 or 4 tracks but it was definitely cool.

[Det_Nosnip]

I wouldn't hope too hard. With them having been influenced by Meshuggah, I can only see more rhythm coming. Adam and Justin often do sound very alike but at least you can hear both of them well.

Well, they do that on purpose, don't they? Trying for the whole bass/guitar switch-up illusion. I've also noticed that Justin will often play higher notes than Adam, making him more pronounced in the mix and almost reversing their roles.

I like that kind of experimentation, but have you heard Meshuggah? Aside from randomly placed melodic breaks, there's hardly ANY melody at all!


Make new material, but don't drift to far from the sound that everybody loves.


I actually strongly disagree with this. This goes against the whole point of Tool; they've "drifted too far" from every sound they've created with each subsequent album! I want them to change, reinvent music, etc, just...not in a bad way. :(

[Dancin' Man]

I like Meshuggah but I'd rather see Tool playing melodies. I'm feeling lots of pinch harmonics, polyrhythms and a disgusting number of effects.

[xtreme450]

did anyone else think that billy's vocals on the new album were pretty good? i did. and my buddy the, 'depressed-suicidal-kurt cobain disciple' thought that track 12, fiddle and the drum, was depressing. and i almost slapped him when he said that Nirvana was more deeply involved in their music than Tool.

[clearvision]

Dammit! That was some cool stuff. I only have like 3 or 4 tracks but it was definitely cool.

Where did ya find 'em? I looked on P2P but couldn't find anything...

[~TomDelonge182~]

Edited because the poster is too stupid to breathe........
It wasn't meant in a bad way. I have a DVD were the band members of Tool confess to being gay. I love their music I listen to them almost everyday. I was saying it because they really are. Did you bann me perm. or temp. because I would really like to have my account back and don't worry if I get it back I won't post in the Rock and Metal section again. I am sorry for any trouble I have given you please let me have my account back. :upset:

[jamesclelland]

i doubt tool is going to go completely metal man. i think they are just gonna make it a little heavier, maybe aenima heavier, but they will keep the magic.

[+3kk!]

seriously you guys be patient,there is still long time till it's realese.

[clearvision]

Right people, Medapolis made the thread...we have to choose a song, is it aenema?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Ill make a stand for this

make sure you vote for at least

Opiate
Sober
Aenima
Pushit
Schisim


Then any others you wish. As long as we all vote for these ones, they will get through

/guilt for an attempted rigging. But since 2 RM mods are tool fans, it should go 'unnoticed'

[Quebec]

It sucks. I wanna buy a TOOL album and some guys told me to buy undertow but i couldn't find it in a store.. it sucks!! Anyway, I saw Aenima and Lateralus. Should i buy one of these or keep searching for Undertow? help me out... please....

[omgwtfboogie]

It sucks. I wanna buy a TOOL album and some guys told me to buy undertow but i couldn't find it in a store.. it sucks!! Anyway, I saw Aenima and Lateralus. Should i buy one of these or keep searching for Undertow? help me out... please....
Get Lateralus. Or Aenima. Either or both, you need them.

[deadohiosky9]

did anyone else think that billy's vocals on the new album were pretty good? i did. and my buddy the, 'depressed-suicidal-kurt cobain disciple' thought that track 12, fiddle and the drum, was depressing. and i almost slapped him when he said that Nirvana was more deeply involved in their music than Tool.

Billy's vocals are awesome. I do think Fiddle and The Drum was kinda depressing. Awesome song though. Billy surprised me. i didn't know he could sing liek that.

[an_underused_memory]

I actually strongly disagree with this. This goes against the whole point of Tool; they've "drifted too far" from every sound they've created with each subsequent album! I want them to change, reinvent music, etc, just...not in a bad way. :(

I agree, det..
I for one just want them not to listen to what the **** we think and make music that deals with whatever is inside them at the moment.
I can't garuantee we'll enjoy it straight away, but i'm pretty sure that if tool stay true to making meaningful music, I'll eventually like it....always a teething period - tool move in a sort of snail-shell/fibonacci spiral - always further away from their origins but still tracable in a direct line to everything they've done.
Except, perhaps, Maynard's Dick :)

[AIC/EAZY-E]

OPIATE


Part Of Me

The first Tool song I ever heard, it had me hooked, nice little drum intro then the bass kicks in, then into drop D tuned guitar which is used in the majority of their songs. It wraps around about 3 and a half minutes, a nice introduction. Maynard provides good vocals, 8/10.

Hush

The single off the Opiate EP, it portrayed the members of Tool naked with cencor signs over their privates. A funky bass introduces us to a more aggressive song by Maynard, he conveys a message in "I can't say what I want to even if I'm not serious", "just kill me... just kill me... just kidding.." obviously angry at censors. A superb track, 9/10.



Opiate

Another recognizable song off the Opiate EP, the controversial issue of religion is dealt with here, whether about christian faith is yet to be properly analyzed. "Choices always were a problem for you, what you need is someone strong to guide you", saying how for instance, this person can't handle their own life, so, unable to be strong enough turns to someone else (eg. God) to tell them how to live, "Deaf and blinded, dumb and born to follow, what you need is someone strong to guide you, like me". Go to a Tool FAQ if wanting to learn more about the subject of this song. Simple music but effective, 9/10.

Sweat

Featured on a movie soundtrack that im not familiar with.some brief seconds of silence until your first blast of Tool is introduced (being the first track on the EP), and hopefully this song,being one of my first Tool songs, makes a good impression,which it did on me.the standout instrument here is the bass/drum tight combination that proved early on that Danny Carey was a force to be reckoned with.MJK vocals good as always..just a good track...as always.8/10

Cold And Ugly

'Throw that Bob Marley wannabe mother****er outta here'.Never recorded as a studio track, the live version provides just as well, and was brought back as a much more energetic version around 1998.would've provided very good as a second single if recorded in studio. particularly good work from Adam Jones with a very short but staunch solo which accompanies some aweesome bass work.very good recording quality considering its live it doesnt even really sound like it.good track. 7.5/10.

Jerk-Off

''Used to be a bunch of assholes that lived in this part of the building here..but we systematically removed them like you would any termite or roach'' an early introduction to Maynards sense of humour.a very energetic track that shows how good Maynard can scream which he later revisits on Ticks...he later changed his mind about the lyrics 'shoot you in your ****in head' which he felt was too violent and threatening. now it is '**** you in your ****in ***','kick you up your ****in ***'.much more appropriate :thumb: 8/10

UNDERTOW

Sober

First single off Undertow, the group's first full length album, structured over a 2 chord guitar bit, metamorphasizes into an epic piece of Maynard's anger and brilliance. you will fall in love with this song but eventually it will grow off you after finding Tool's later work, 8/10.

Prison Sex

Tuned to drop B, this deals with the subject of abuse, Maynard was apparently abused as a child. Lyrical matter hard to tackle for first listeners, but it pictures out a perfect scenario in your head once you realise what MJK is talking about, and it proves to be a much more personal affair then bum-bum. A sweet song, shouldn't grow old anytime soon, 9/10.

Intolerance

"I shall not lie, cheat or steal, or tolerate those who do" - a line Maynard learnt in the army. This is the moral of the song, and at the start of the song, kicking off the album, is about 21 seconds of a kind of gurgling, drowning sound, setting the water theme for the Undertow album. A nice heavy track, one of my favourite Tool tracks over all, with a rather funny time signature at first but you'll get the groove soon, 9/10.

4 Degrees

A nice sitar kind of sound on this track, will seem slow paced but once you notice the potential of this song, you wonder why it was never on the radio, but why would it need to be? Nice vocals from MJK, and bass work is good by Paul D'Amour, 7/10.

Crawl Away

One of the first songs the band wrote, this was being performed in Opiate times and was handed in as a demo. The best part of this is the double kick bridge, I can't get enough of it, Danny Carey shines on this song, and of course so does MJK, 8/10.

Flood

A really long intro to this song (about 4 minutes) but still has an awesome effect to the atmosphere of it all.At live shows this usually pairs with Opiate and they dont include the 4 minute intro. a very powerful track, and though some people won't like it at first,be patient, wait it out. :rolleyes: It will serve you with a standout performance by Maynard, and of course the rhythm section show definate praise in the last (actual) song on Undertow.8.5/10

Bottom

Henry Rollins is featured in this track,and his part was performed by Zack de la Rocha when touring with RATM.another outstanding track on Undertow that grows on you with time.AGAIN Maynards voice is outstanding,'it leaves me dead inside,needless now, shameless now, nothing now, no one now, **** ends up....' sounding very deserted and angered.the best scream featured on Undertow,and a solo/palm muted section at the end that is worth listening to. 8.5/10

Swamp Song

The title describes the song mostly. very underrated by most people i know who own Undertow.a kind of a plodding dirty bass intro, but soon a nice sing along chorus comes in.'the bog is thick and easy to get lost in when you're a dumbass beligerant ****er'.try listening to this song and it could turn out to be one of your favourites. :thumb: 7.5/10

Undertow

The title definately reflects the albums sound nicely. a much more complex song than the others on the album, some of the bits featured have a wierd time signature that people will have trouble moshing to.but considering the nice guitar/bass work and funky drumming goin on, its a definite staple in Tools catalogue.an awesome breakdown at the end, definitely shows Maynards ability to hold his voice at the same pitch.outstanding song.
9/10.

Disgustipated

first part features Maynard acting as a preist in the church of carrots.'Let the rabbits wear glasses'.Is this really considered a song? my answer would be yes but i find myself usually not listening to it due to the POINTLESS 9 minutes of crickets chirping and later a muffled conversation.maybe somewhere down the road they will re-do this song because this DEFINATELY has the potential to be an awesome song. i dont think it has been done live ever.the repeated line 'this...is...necessary..life feeds on life' might seem boring but i find it one of the high points on Undertow.but the whole song together could be much better. 7/10 (this is neccesary)

[AIC/EAZY-E]

AENIMA

Stinkfist

First single, first vid and opener for the classic Aenima album, wierd delayed kind of effects at the start, feedback, then boom hits you with full Tool. Maynard seems muffled in his words on first listen but you eventually figure the guy out. Pre-chorus is nice, and the chorus is a catchy melody you'll be humming for days. Fans of Tool are instant fans of this one, 9/10.

Aenima

3rd single, and 2nd vid, the title track is one of Tool's more popular singles, people that listen to like black metal and isolate everything else know the lyrics to this song. the guitar and bass just flow off each other, while Danny plays hard and Maynard is ranting against smiley glad hands, hip gangsta wannabe's and insecure actresses. Should be one of the first songs you listen to if getting into Tool, 10/10.

46 & 2

2nd single off Aenima, instantly recognisable bass intro, and Adams wall of distortion and open D comes crashing down. Once it dies down Maynard softly says his lyrics then it bursts into a full fledged chorus. 'My shadow, my shadow, changes coming through my shadow, my shadow, shedding skin, I've been picking my scabs again'. Another classic, shouldn't be skipped on your CD player, 9/10.

H.

4th single off Aenima. These bass intros keep on coming, this time its full on distorted bass, wouldnt normally sound good, but fits right in with the Tool sound. A rather soothing verse and a clittle clicking drum beat go with the atmosphere of this song. This was one of my other first Tool songs, and I loved it. Another monumental chorus, one of the best bridges on the album, an awesome end section then it dies down to the first kind of atmosphere on the song, this is an epic Tool song of all proportions, you might get tired of it by overplaying though, so be warned, 9.5/10.

Eulogy

5th and final single off Aenima, this is another song apparently, that deals with religion, more so Jesus. But Maynard not one to be specific doesnt give exact detail to whom this song is about. But the lyrics seem to fit you know who's description pretty well "he had alot to say, he alot of nothing to say", "not all martyrs see divinity, but at least you tried" "come down, get off your ****ing cross, we need the ****ing space, to nail the next fool martyr", "to ascend you must die, you must be crucified, for our sins and our lies, good-bye" think for yourself. Accomponied by awesome instrumentals of course, this 8 minute epic was once my favourite Tool song until being knocked off by the next review... but don't let that put you off, this is an excellent song, 10/10.

Push.it

Both versions. Originally on Aenima, then rehashed on Salival the live album, I had ignored this track for some time, but once I listened, I was drawn in. This song has yet to be beaten. It goes 5 seconds short of 10 minutes, make sure no one bothers you on this song. Not to be played as back ground music of any type, this needs to be turned up LOUD. Feel Maynards anger. Feel Adams giant D riffs, Justin's ploddy bass, Danny's awesome fills and rolls. Every bit is masterpiece. Not a song to listen to when first purchasing the album, just let it come to you... 11/10.

Third Eye

Influenced by the philosophies of Bill Hicks, Aenima, a wonderful ride of genius songs and instrumental work finishes off with something like this. Who would've thought that repeating the same words "prying open my third eye" 14 times through a song (4 at the 10 minute mark, 10 at the 13 minute mark) could be so effective!! A quote that stays in your head for quite some time without being melodic or rhythmic, just powerful! Adam Jones, a man who doesnt consider himself an actual guitarist, comes up with the most original bits on guitar! The solo at the end of this song is great, there is 2 in the whole song. if you feel you can stomach 13 minutes of raw power and anger, please enjoy your experience. Check out the Salival version too, 10/10.

Hooker With A *****

A much more agressive Opiate style track on Aenima, this adresses fans accusing Tool of selling out on this record. very fitting lyrics,you will eventually know all the words without looking it up on the internet they just come to you. a weird time signature that i couldnt quite comprehend on drums and guitar but eventually picked it up. this definitely shows that Tool can perform straight angst metal (- the crap).9/10

Jimmy

Another underrated track compared to the quality of the other songs on Aenima.i didn't care for it at the start,but it soon grew on me ALOT and ended up being one of my favourites,making Aenima listenable the whole way through.a funny little keyboard Bungle-esque intro to this. 'hold..your light..eleven held me through each gentle step...by step..by inch by loaded memory,ill move...to heal..as soon as pain allows so we can re...unite..and both move on together..hold your light...eleven held me through each single step...by step..by inch by loaded memory..till one...and one..are one..eleven..so glow...child...glow..i'm...heading back...HOOOOMMME' - Maynard at his absolute finest. 9/10.


LATERALUS


Schism

1st single off Lateralus. Probably the most well known Tool track due to its recognisable bass riff and the strange video. At this time Tool were becoming much more progressive-like, but still maintain the heavy metal side on such tracks as this one. A very well put together bridge then it breaks down to the nearly orchestral outro. "I know the pieces fit, cuz I watched them fall away", "cold silence has, a tendency to, atrophy any, sense of compassion" "between supposed lovers". All well known Maynard lyrics. First time listeners should have a place to call their own with this song, 10/10.

Parabol/a

The 2nd single from Lateralus, the first 3 minutes are Parabol, then Parabola comes crashing down in all its pulsating power. just don't shy away when parabol comes on, this might fool you thinking Tool has gone soft, no no, it's just an intro, build up I should say to one of Tool's most epic singles and a general favourite of fans. Guitar work (drop BE) is particularly good, so look out for Adams work on this song. Awesome 10/10.

Lateralus

3rd single off Lateralus, but not accompanied by a video. A 9 minute CLASSIC Tool song with a nice little simple introduction while the drums slowly build up until, in typical fashion, everything comes to full power as the main riff explodes. "Black and white are, all I see, in my infacny, red and yellow have came to be, reachin out to me, let's be seen" are the first few words Maynard preaches in the tight drum and bass duo. Palm muted guitar comes in. Then the chorus "over-thinking, over-analyzing separates the body from the mind". With a lot of different sections plus wicked bass sliding in the end section you have to check out this song, afraid or not afraid. It will do you well, 11/10.

Ticks & Leeches

The only song Maynard will not occasionly perform live, it screwed up his voice in Lateralus recordings for 3 weeks, he knew it would happen so they recorded that song last. An absolute screamer for Maynard I'm surprised he can scream this good, it; s not his usual yell. Fast paced lyrics and an unforgettable, radio-like chorus make this one.. well... unforgettable. With a bridge that repeats the same awesome riff for over 2 minutes, you know there is going to be a break down... and there is! Tool's best break down is in this song let me tell you and Maynard goes off! the stand out overall is Danny's drumming this is his song to shine and he does it with ease. Fill's that will make you fill your pants, I'm telling you, 10/10.

The Grudge

The opening track for Lateralus in all it's genius, this song is a staple for live shows. 8 minutes strong, it is all you can expect of Tool, but in a fully renewed Lateralus style. With one of the stand out screams that has been performed in the last 10 years... 8 bars or something... not a song to be missed. LET GO, 10/10

Eon Blue Apocolypse/The Patient

A much different approach proving why Lateralus is a much more maturing affair than it's predessecors (spelling?).an intro that molds in so well to The Patient,a little simple guitar part that is very effective.then comes The Patient which is again a very different kind of Tool, and Maynard has a very APC feel in his voice in the verses.soon comes the multivocals 'gonna wait it out;be patient' which fit well together and towards the end the extended chorus sends shivers down my spine. :lol: cheese.a much different track though, it could grow old on you being probably the weakest track on the album,but then again ALL TOOL SONGS ARE = so think for yourself.8/10

Disposition/Reflection/Triad

22 minute epic split into 3 sections, Dispostion the intro, Reflection the main song, and Triad the outro. Disposition serves as the relaxing point of the album and meshes well with its counterpart. Reflection is the standout part in this trio, with nice synthesizer/guitar work from Adam and innovative drum techniques from Danny. One of the longer Tool songs in their resume, this is much more instrumental, but once vocals are provided it makes the song much more established. This doesn't seem like something Tool would do, but it comes up to a nice finish and you then let Triad kick in, leave you stunned and just BEGGING for the next Tool album.10/10

this took really long... :o

THINK FOR YOURSELF, QUESTION AUTHORITY

[AIC/EAZY-E]

SALIVAL

Maynard's Dick

Off Salival,considered just a mere stopgap between Aenima and Lateralus, which, at least in my country of New Zealand is hard to find in stores. The 'hidden' track on the album, it is the only original new piece of work the band did on it, and even though being 3 minutes something (unusual time for a Tool song post Opiate) they still pull it off like Aenima never happened. With an acoustic intro (yet another extremity for Tool), Maynard sings in a perculiar voice, yet it works for the occasion, and the chorus (slide a mile six inches at a time on Maynard's Dick) is verrry catchy. Ending in perfect Tool style (farting aside), this is another essential track, 8/10.

No Quarter

At first people will think a band like Tool couldn't pull off a Led Zeppelin cover, but once provided with the oppurtunity they proved themselves on this track,especially Adam Jones.In my view alot better than the original, not just being an obsessed Tool fan....i listened to the original than the cover, and i'm not being biased...this is really good. probably the only Tool guitar i can't pull off straight away.like Pu****, no distractions should be present in your time of listening to this epic. 10/10

You Lied

Justins old band Peach did this song originally, but of course Tool blew it out of the water..but the original is still respectable.the first cover i heard Tool do, this is definitely a much more atmospheric track,like Merkaba (the intro to this song).FYI Justin sings backing vocals on this song.slow paced,but it works out just fine,this is a shining moment on Salival. 9/10.

KOOL BEANS

[Magicaltroll]

^^^good job man^^^
that was a pretty good review
maybe everyone will stop asking what album they should get now (not that theres anything wrong with it because theres not that many but it just kind of gets annoying after a while..) but yeah good job :thumb:

[G_Mac07]

^ Agreed. I liked that review, hopefully people will take the time to read it.

[omgwtfboogie]

Lateralus

... 11/10.


There you have it folks.


Thanks for giving it an honest score, most people overlook that song.

[AIC/EAZY-E]

thanks i originally put this up on ultimate-guitar.com but i missed out a few songs so i figured i might as well do their whole catalogue so no one could say i missed anything. i wasn't going to review the filler (eg. - ions).... anyway people here are generally more appreciative of Tool. and well theres an official thread for all things Tool here so this seems like its rightful home. i had ALOT of time on my hands that night.

[swingonaspiral9]

Push.it

Both versions. Originally on Aenima, then rehashed on Salival the live album, I had ignored this track for some time, but once I listened, I was drawn in. This song has yet to be beaten. It goes 5 seconds short of 10 minutes, make sure no one bothers you on this song. Not to be played as back ground music of any type, this needs to be turned up LOUD. Feel Maynards anger. Feel Adams giant D riffs, Justin's ploddy bass, Danny's awesome fills and rolls. Every bit is masterpiece. Not a song to listen to when first purchasing the album, just let it come to you... 11/10.


Yes. YES. What an amazing song. And none better to re-write.

[TheMachineRagesOn]

Not to mention Paul D'amour co wrote it back before he left.

[Quebec]

Who the hell is Harry Manback? yeah remember a track on Aenima called "message to harry manback" Who the hell is he?

[jamesclelland]

I was rumored that maynard had some people over and one guy inparticular wasnt happy with maynard. he called and left that message on maynards machine. Thats the rumor. if somebody else has better intel on it please fill me in.

[omgwtfboogie]

I was rumored that maynard had some people over and one guy inparticular wasnt happy with maynard. he called and left that message on maynards machine. Thats the rumor. if somebody else has better intel on it please fill me in.
That is indeed what we've been told. Hard to trust TOOL sometimes, though.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I was rumored that maynard had some people over and one guy inparticular wasnt happy with maynard. he called and left that message on maynards machine. Thats the rumor. if somebody else has better intel on it please fill me in.

To further that, it was allegadely (pass the dictionary please) someone who lived in the same house with Maynard who was kicked out one day by the tenant. The resulting message was a way of getting back

I know the guy was Italian as well, hence the language and the 'if I ever see your f***ing face around, in Europe or Italy' but.

Or maybe thats all rubbish, but thats all I know

[deadohiosky9]

Great review.Excellent job. As for Harry Manback, I hear that he was like a roomate of Maynard's and he stole something, and Maynard kicked him out. "Hm? You think you're cool right? Hm? Hm?
When you kicked out people [out of] your house" very funny songs.

[theshadesgodown]

I just started listening to Tool recently and I really like them. I read all 67 pages of this thread so im going to say stuff about recent topics on here. First I want to say that I hope that the new cd isnt too heave because i really like the more melodic stuff they have, but if it is anything like lateralus I will probably still like it. As for wierd/cool things happening while listening to songs, the other night I was listening to lateralus(the cd) with my eyes closed b/c i was really tired. And whenever I opened them I could kind of see the yellow/green cirlce of eyes(or whatever they are supposed to be) spinning. It was really wierd. Another one was while reading this I was listening to 46&2 and somebody has a picture of a guy punching something repeatedly, when the song got to the part where it stops and repears the same note four times the punching was at the exact same times as the notes. It freaked me out a little. Whenever I listen to a stranger by A Perfect Circle, the part where he screams in the background alwasy scares me even to I know its there. And I have a question about APC. Does Billy or Maynard write the lyrics? I read somewhere that Billy writes them.





Sorry if Im talking too much. :rolleyes:

[Magicaltroll]

maynard writes the lyrics and billy pretty much writes all the music well except the new album of course because those are all covers

[music=good]

i think "passive" and "counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums" were written by maynard and billy.

[deadohiosky9]

i think "passive" and "counting bodies like sheep to the rhythm of the war drums" were written by maynard and billy.

Passive was written by Maynard and Danny Lohner, possbily Billy too, but I don't think so.

[G_Mac07]

Ok, I re-bought Aenema this week and I'm listening to it now. I just noticed something that I had never noticed before though.

In the Cover Booklet track order, it states
3. H. (0.39)
4. Useful Idiot (6.03)

but now that I listen to it, it actually plays as
3. H. (6.03)
4. Useful Idiot (0.39)

Is everyone's CD's like this? and why?

[Colonel Oysterhead]

hey ive just started to listen to tool for the very first time and i downloaded Aenima on mp3 and i like that song...what other tool songs sound like that?

[jamesclelland]

get eulogy, third eye, if your into the flanged bends get stinkfist, Forty six and two, are the best imo, but get them all dude.

[an_underused_memory]

further to the Harry Manback discussion...
from what i remember reading, its a combo of all the bits that everyone's mentioned so far:
Harry M was a friend of MJK's flatmate....and MJK/flatmate booted him when he was visiting. So the message (i think) was intended for the flatmate, but MJK was quite taken by it...
for more info, take a walk to toolshed and visit the tool FAQ

[TheMachineRagesOn]

i think it was that Harry manback stayed over maynards place with an italian friend ( the guy on the recording ) and the italian guy apparantly took advantage of maynards place, ate all his stuff, made a mess of the place and ran up his phone bill until maynard booted him out and then gave him that message.

i think that was on the tool faq on toolshed.down.net

god bless that faq.

[theEndisNear]

yeah that faq comes in very handy

[Bartender]

I'm fairly sure it was a hotel Maynard and the friend were staying in, not Maynard's place. Whoever left the message apparently checked in under the guise of being some kind of attendant, ran up a big mini-bar and phone call bill, left that message, and left.

[Magicaltroll]

ok i have another apc question
in the credits for passive, why does it have trent reznor? did he help sing or something? or did he help write the music.

[Kage]

I can't believe Trent would degrade himself to having his name on an APC record.

[Dancin' Man]

Shut up.

He probably produced the track.

[Kage]

Just venting my anger about the fact that APC is taking so much time away from Tool, and now they have to steal so many posts away from their thread.

Plus, NIN > all

[ZaaR]

I hated Tool a few months ago because I didn't like Maynard's voice in Eulogy. I then listened to Third Eye and I love them! I'm listening to it as I am writting this.

[deadohiosky9]

I hated Tool a few months ago because I didn't like Maynard's voice in Eulogy. I then listened to Third Eye and I love them! I'm listening to it as I am writting this.

Good job man. :thumb:

[omgwtfboogie]

Just venting my anger about the fact that APC is taking so much time away from Tool, and now they have to steal so many posts away from their thread.

Plus, NIN > all
APC is on temporary hiatus right now. Which means Maynard's back with TOOL.


And for the last time, "Passive" was a remix of the song "Vacant/Perfect Enemy" by Tapeworm. Tapeworm was a project that Trent and Maynard had going for awhile before it was disbanded.

[Kage]

^^^ I was looking forward to Tapeworm so much... I couldn't believe it when it just sort of disappeared.

[Magicaltroll]

thanks for that^^^
does anyone know how many songs Tapeworm had? or was it just that one

[clearvision]

I want Tapeworm Mp3's, anyone know where to find em?

[omgwtfboogie]

I want Tapeworm Mp3's, anyone know where to find em?
There's only one and it's either on the TOOL page or TDN.

[ThePatient]

Passive was written by Maynard and Danny Lohner, possbily Billy too, but I don't think so.
Oh man that's a great song. I'd give the new APC cd an 8.5. :thumb:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/dannycarey.html

From our friends in the drum forum. Any drummers on here who havent seen it, check out the thread about it here (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=263942&page=1&pp=25)