Tool

[Otherside]

I'm pretty sure they kicked him out to get Rudess...

[Reywas]

actually they got sherenian

[Darkness]

Yeah they got another guy first I believe...

[Reywas]

I think:
Moore - When Dream And Day Unite, Images And Words, Awake
Sherenian - Falling Into Infinity, A Change Of Seasons
Rudess - Metropolis 2 onwards

[Matter]

Here's a few songs from OSI...enjoy!!!

The first track off the album is a good kick in the teeth...enjoy!!!

http://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1SM9MQA5Y16NG3THKX94R4L9MP
http://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0BAMS6P778P7Q15Z6857OC62TX
http://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2E5M7KSLV1AQS3RPW5KIJYEFQ8
http://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2XUMVNUZ0AWGX3OL54UGJHBVWO

Phewww..after all this work I sure would like to hear some Chroma Key..hint hint.

[Knifeboy]

Thanks Matter.. Btw.. How's rounder doing?

and here it is: Chroma Key - Dead air for radios s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0OKCSNM01T5NS0832G30KHEAZD

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

i really dont like the singer, but the music is great.

Im starting to like CoB a lot more...

fuk the singer though

If you "fuk the singer" you're going to "fuk the guitarist" as well, as they are one in the same.

[Knifeboy]

Jake, download that album I linked to, you'll like it.. It's along the lines of the mellower old Porcupine Tree

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Well the new and old bassists are better than Myung, Michael Romeo is better than Petrucci, Russel Allen is better than Labrie, and Michael Pinella is better than Ruddess (and more musical), Mike Portnoy however is a bit better than Jason Rullo. They're also really catchy which gives them the upper hand on DT.

I'll use YSI then.

You've never actually listened to DT have you?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Album? :upset: I'll try, but I'm guessingthere's a 90% chance the download will crap out after 60%.

75 megs =/= downloadable for me. I'd like to, as I loooove my PT, but my dialup has a thing against files bigger than 30 megs. :p

EDIT: Symphony X>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dream Theater

page deformation++

[Knifeboy]

Here's a few tracks for you then Jake
s12.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3JDUMA7HVL0671V8WN5AZIIEAG
Chroma Key - Even The Waves.. One of my favorite tracks ever.. I don't really know why, it just puts me in a really melancholic mood
s12.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=06732M6X72AWI05YH91TBW464Q
On the Page.. Absolutely wonderful piano intro
s18.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2S3LPN2A9NKHT0OLQY6FLN32RU
S.O.S again, beautiful piano intro.... Overall just a nice track

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I'll download them all one after the other. Thanks a lot. :-D I'm downloading Even the Waves right now.

[Kurrpt]

If you "fuk the singer" you're going to "fuk the guitarist" as well, as they are one in the same.


i understand that. Im just saying he shouldnt sing....at all :D

[Knifeboy]

I couldn't imagine anyone else singing on Needled 24/7.. Although I do see where you come from

[Reywas]

You did notice there are three versions of SOS there.Right?

[Knifeboy]

I just noticed, one of the ones named 05 - s.o.s shouldn't be there.. and the one labelled 08 - s.o.s is a delicious live version of the song

[A pig in a cage on antibiotics]

HEY LETS TALK TOOL AGAINEmm.... there is NO mention of tool for like a billion posts (roughly!) this IS the ****official****tool thread yea?
well ill get the ball rolling by askin do any of you know what the cross thing in the last page of the lateralus booklet is? im not sure if this is old news or not but i know what it is if anyones intrested? (and its an official source) :thumb:

[G_Mac07]

Inform me, as I like this thread when it's on topic.

[Darkness]

Inform me, as I like this thread when it's on topic.
Me to... to much talk of other bands. We should start cutting back on that at least a little bit.

[Blizzink]

Maynard arouses me.

There, you got what you wanted.

[Knifeboy]

Maynard is a great example of how you don't have to be hot.. To be hot :naughty:

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Did you guys know it says GOD in the brain of the Lateralus man!??!!?

[Knifeboy]

Did you guys know it says GOD in the brain of the Lateralus man!??!!?

.. Haha

[Moses]

You've never actually listened to DT have you?
That's the biggest sack of bs I've ever heard. I'm a pretty big DT fan and I saw them recently on Gigantour (which was mostly to see them). I listen to them regularly and I've liked them for alot longer than I've liked Symphony X.

Oh and..........

You've never listened to Symphony X have you.

Like I said the technical acrobatics are better judged when seen.

Also I haven't any solo's by either of the Symphony X bassists, but if you want some good bass tapping listen to Primus.

[Kage]

Posts number 17264 through 17269 prove exactly why we should be talking about other bands.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Every aspect of Tool has been beaten to death in the previous 17,000 posts. I swear to God.(speaking of God, did you know that it says GOD...wait nvm)

So, what if Jones was replaced by Petrucci. That would suck pretty hXc, don't you think? I can't picture listening to a massive shred solo on any of Tool's songs.

[Knifeboy]

I could imagine King Crimsons guitarist shredding away in a tool song

[Kage]

Every aspect of Tool has been beaten to death in the previous 17,000 posts. I swear to God.(speaking of God, did you know that it says GOD...wait nvm)

So, what if Jones was replaced by Petrucci. That would suck pretty hXc, don't you think? I can't picture listening to a massive shred solo on any of Tool's songs.
I'd sooner shoot myself...

[Reywas]

tool without Jones would blow.Jones has charisma and his hair is like mega awesome.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Petrucci would probably be helpful on an instructional guitar video... Other than that, he's DEAD TO ME! DEAD! I hate wankery!


tool without Jones would blow.Jones has charisma and his hair is like mega awesome.

Honestly, how old are you?

[Darkness]

I like the wankery. :upset: Sometimes its out of place, but when he hits the right time to solo, its mad awesome.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I could imagine King Crimsons guitarist shredding away in a tool song

In a song or two, kind of like what Belew did on Deadwing. I hate his effort on the title track, but I like the one he did on Halo. Discordant wankery, I like to call it. :p

Christ, I tried to talk Tool, but it's just too hard! :upset:

[Reywas]

I actually don't mind Petrucci's soloing on Scenes From A Memory.17 DMR.

[Kage]

In a song or two, kind of like what Belew did on Deadwing. I hate his effort on the title track, but I like the one he did on Halo. Discordant wankery, I like to call it. :p

Christ, I tried to talk Tool, but it's just too hard! :upset:
Wait, which solo did he do on Deadwing? All the solos on the title track own hard.

[eviltwin]

speaking of tool are they coming out with a new album anytime soon?

[Darkness]

No, they broke up.

[Reywas]

I think Maynard said he found Jesus.

I'll just post an unreleated blog link right here. http://www.radiohead.com/deadairspace/

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Second solo on Deadwing.

Yeah dude, Tool broke up when Maynard came out of the closet back in '02 to form APC with Billy Howerdell..

[Rothmans]

I think Maynard said he found Jesus.

I'll just post an unreleated blog link right here. http://www.radiohead.com/deadairspace/


Welcome to April 05.

[Reywas]

Welcome to April 05.

OMG I've been living under a stone. :amaze:

[Kage]

Second solo on Deadwing.

Yeah dude, Tool broke up when Maynard came out of the closet back in '02 to form APC with Billy Howerdell..
Man, that solo rocks, dude. It's in this really bizarre mode, and my guitar teacher and I spent two weeks discussing it.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Meh, when I listen to Porcupine Tree, I like to hear the very beautiful, easy to listen to guitar parts. Granted, it's not all like that, but that solo is just way out there. I shouldn't say I don't like it, as it is still quite the solo, but I guess I prefer Wilson's style to Belew's.

So, you know the second solo in Arriving Somewhere But Not Here? Courtesy of Mikael Akerfeldt. I do think that Wilson wrote it though, as it features his signature hammer and slide technique that he displays so often. The first solo in that song..dohhh amazing. I'd reckon to say that is the best use of an E-bow right there. :)

EDIT: Now that I'm fully thinking about the second Deadwing solo, it has occured to me that my favorite part of the song is when it ends. I'm not trying to sound like a douchebag, or anything, but the last note of the solo(the note that is harmonized by some other string insturment) is definitely the climax of the song.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

That's the biggest sack of bs I've ever heard. I'm a pretty big DT fan and I saw them recently on Gigantour (which was mostly to see them). I listen to them regularly and I've liked them for alot longer than I've liked Symphony X.

Oh and..........

You've never listened to Symphony X have you.

Like I said the technical acrobatics are better judged when seen.



Don't cry about it. So, I was wrong about not thinking you've listened to DT and I apologize. But it is understandable considering your comparisons of the members of the band with Symphony X. They both have very good musicians, but I happen to think that Symphony X are a lot cheesier and not nearly as good of songwriters. You don't know how to express an opinion as just that, an opinion. When you state your opinion as a fact, it makes me lose respect for you. However, I already had lost respect for you when you came in this thread and tried to tell everyone that Limp Bizkit's song "Everything" is a 16 min. long prog song that is very "Toolesque."

[Darkness]

I remember that Limp Bizkit thing... that song was terrible.

[Mr Herb]

Howerdel should play with tool, he could add great slide guitar, thatd be great I think

[Darkness]

I've always wondered what Tool would be like with another guitar player... Adam could stick to what he does best, rhythm, and another guy maybe for leads or something... that probably wouldn't work, but I wonder...

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

However, I already had lost respect for you when you came in this thread and tried to tell everyone that Limp Bizkit's song "Everything" is a 16 min. long prog song that is very "Toolesque."

I agree there (in respect to Limp Bizkit's song being "Toolesque")... But damn... that was a little harsh to our fellow reg.

[Kage]

If you lost respect for one of the members on here whom I most respect, because of one song that he said something about that you disagreed with, that's pretty lame, satch.

[Rothmans]

Howerdel should play with tool, he could add great slide guitar, thatd be great I think


Billy doesnt do slide its Troy van Luween that does the slide.

[Syncratic]

Any news, guys?

What's the current discussion?

Billy doesnt do slide its Troy van Luween that does the slide.

He does in the 'Judith' video.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

If you lost respect for one of the members on here whom I most respect, because of one song that he said something about that you disagreed with, that's pretty lame, satch.

I didn't really lose all respect for him, I was just exaggerating.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Oh the drama!!! What on EARTH will Moses think?!!

Sorry, but there is nothing to talk about on this thread anymore. Can somebody say something edgy?

[Kage]

Whatever the case, I think you two should kiss and make up. :p


On another note, I'm pretty sure Billy does all the lead/higher guitar work in APC.

[Mr Herb]

judith vid sliding is just great, plus he technically does all the slides since he writes all the gutiar parts, Troy just plays em :)

[Rothmans]

Any news, guys?

What's the current discussion?



He does in the 'Judith' video.


That doesnt mean he actually does it look at live clips and stuff and you will see.

[Syncratic]

Here's some news!

I got new guitar strings!

:lame:

I got nothing.........

[Mr Herb]

That doesnt mean he actually does it look at live clips and stuff and you will see.
I have a live vid of judtih on the connan o brien show and Billy does the slides

[Rothmans]

I have seen Troy do slide loads of times.

He even does it on QOTSA he has the guitar on the thing and he uses that slide thing.

[Mr Herb]

well w/e, Billy slides too :)


I wonder who will do 2nd guitar for apc on their next album, I hope its someone new so it gets a bit more interesting

[Syncratic]

I'm actually kinda hoping that Tool does two more albums (including this current one being made) and APC doesn't, but whatever.

[Darkness]

Here's some news!

I got new guitar strings!
:eek: What kind of strings?!

[Mr Herb]

thatd suck, apc is great. I woudnt mind and apc album over a tool album as long as its not crap like emotive

[Syncratic]

What kind of strings?!

Martin Light Acoustics, 80/20 Bronze.

:thumb:

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Don't cry about it. So, I was wrong about not thinking you've listened to DT and I apologize. But it is understandable considering your comparisons of the members of the band with Symphony X. They both have very good musicians, but I happen to think that Symphony X are a lot cheesier and not nearly as good of songwriters.

Wait, isn't your user name a reference to Joe Satriani, THE king of cheese?


reeeeeeeeeefl, man. But hey, whatever. Symphony X rocks my socks a lot more than Dream Theater does. That's all I'm sayin'.

[Knifeboy]

Wait, isn't your user name a reference to Joe Satriani, THE king of cheese


Hmm.. And here I thought Satriani was the king of kickass melodies

[BlindWriting]

Look in your CD cases

On Mer De Noms, Billy Howerdel wrote and played all the guitar (lead and rhythm) as well as the bass. Same goes for most of eMOTIVe.

On Thirteenth Step, Troy did play rhythm on three tracks, and Howerdel did the rest of the guitar on all the other songs (except for Danny Lohner on The Noose).

[Killtacular]

I'm actually kinda hoping that Tool does two more albums (including this current one being made) and APC doesn't, but whatever.

There's two more coming, including the current one. After that legal hassle before Lateralus they signed a three record deal with whoever it was. Volcano, perhaps.

APC, on the other hand, is done with their three record deal, which brings the question of whether they put out eMOTIVe just to get out of it. Seeing as it was... not so great and all.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

There's two more coming, including the current one. After that legal hassle before Lateralus they signed a three record deal with whoever it was. Volcano, perhaps.

APC, on the other hand, is done with their three record deal, which brings the question of whether they put out eMOTIVe just to get out of it. Seeing as it was... not so great and all.

I wouldn't doubt that about APC.

[Sleeper]

I'm actually kinda hoping that Tool does two more albums (including this current one being made) and APC doesn't, but whatever.
I'm curious to hear new stuff by APC, after Maynard is done with Tool.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

dude, i was coming to this fred before you were even inducted into these forums...


Wrong. Notice the June 2003 under my avatar? Just because i dont have a mega post count doesnt mean i dont come here often.

[Moses]

Don't cry about it. So, I was wrong about not thinking you've listened to DT and I apologize. But it is understandable considering your comparisons of the members of the band with Symphony X. They both have very good musicians, but I happen to think that Symphony X are a lot cheesier and not nearly as good of songwriters. You don't know how to express an opinion as just that, an opinion. When you state your opinion as a fact, it makes me lose respect for you. However, I already had lost respect for you when you came in this thread and tried to tell everyone that Limp Bizkit's song "Everything" is a 16 min. long prog song that is very "Toolesque."
Okay and that was a mistake that I apologize for, I don't know what I was on. If you read any of my other threads you might respect me, after all a few people do. Also..... WHAT THE HELL DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AND WHY WOULD YOU REMEMBER THAT? If it helps I never recall you doing anything worthy of praise so you never had respect in my book.

I never cried about anything. I just think Symphony X are better song writers in general because they maintain technicality with out sacrificing catchiness and they know when to get egotistical. Mike Portnoy even admitted that when they first came out they tried to be the most pretentious, over-the-top progrock band. He said they wrote songs just to make them hard without even thinking about the songwriting at all.

[Reywas]

Guys after seven days we finally got some news.I was expecting something big seeing there is a seven days news gap.Here you go copied straight from the tool page:

VOLTO!

Perhaps the hottest ticket in town, VOLTO! will be rocking the BAKED POTATO (3787 Cahuenga Blvd., West, Studio City, CA) this Thursday night, August 25th. Bring your purple pens, order an enormous spud stuffed with whatever as the band sets up, and try on one of the NEW Volto! t-shirts, but be sure to arrive early because the chances of somebody forgetting to bring their Paiste cymbals are a million to one. By the way, what happened to Danny Devito and family last week? They sure missed a good one… and first shot at those new t-shirts! For more info, call 818-980-1515. Hope to see you there.

[fishboy]

When the new album coming out???

Can't Wait.

[Spiritofmosa]

cant wait for apc

[PeEpHoLe_10]

^^^
APC? What are you talking about? APC won't release anything for at least two more years. Your getting a little pre-excited arent you?

[A pig in a cage on antibiotics]

cant wait for the august newsletter, blair promised photos of the guys recording and loads of info on the album....but then again blair says a lot of things!!

PS i posted about the red cross on the last page of lateralus yesterday and i didnt get time to follow it up, it is in fact.

A RED VAJRA, A SYMBOL OF POWER AND SPIRIT FROM THE VISIONARY REALMS

my source on this is official, i got it from Alex Grey the guy who drew all the artwork (under adams direction) and seeing as on the FAQ on toolsheddown it says noone knows what it is i just thought id spread the good word!!

THAT SHOULD GIVE US SOMETHING NEW TO TALK ABOUT :thumb:

any ideas on what/where the **** visionary realm is?!!

[Spiritofmosa]

^^^
APC? What are you talking about? APC won't release anything for at least two more years. Your getting a little pre-excited arent you?
oh tool den. APC when i grow old hopefuly i'll get a wife by then

[Kurrpt]

Wrong. Notice the June 2003 under my avatar? Just because i dont have a mega post count doesnt mean i dont come here often.

well, with that many posts, it is obvious you dont come here often

[Darkness]

For the longest time I never posted, though I did browse the boards often.

[Shadius]

well, with that many posts, it is obvious you dont come here often

I come here almost every day and my post count sucks. Often I just come to read whats being said, I have more stuff to do than post here a lot of the time.

[Kurrpt]

I come here almost every day and my post count sucks. Often I just come to read whats being said, I have more stuff to do than post here a lot of the time.


agreed


i wasnt trying to come off "high and mighty"

i left this thread a while ago because the talk seemed a little too eccentric for my tastes. It seemed to be getting better, hence i came outta the wood work

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I've never found the posting here to go downhill, just change direction a lot

[Darkness]

I think it goes downhill a lot... but other times its the best on the forum.

[Kurrpt]

I've never found the posting here to go downhill, just change direction a lot


well considering you prolly the most avid member here, i would say this isnt an uncommon response (double negative)

all the hypothetical discussions also dis-interest me

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

all the hypothetical discussions also dis-interest me

Case and point for why we can't talk about Tool all of the time.

...But then again, I'd also rather not talk about DT and Sym X...

[Kurrpt]

Case and point for why we can't talk about Tool all of the time.

...But then again, I'd also rather not talk about DT and Sym X...


im not trying to dictate what goes on in here mind you. I was just explaining my hiatus haha...


i loved TOoL for about 7 years, and that wont change

[penelope_weird_hands]

^^ In response to A pig in a cage on antibiotics post about the vajra..

having done a pathetically short google search 'vajras' errr.. well have a look
( an excerpt from http://www.khandro.net/ritual_vajra.htm )

Vajra

" The word for the ritual implement held in the lama's right hand has been translated as thunderbolt but also diamond. The Sanskrit word vajra means adamantine, that is, "diamond-like." Therefore, besides being able to dent any object and overwhelm with its incomparable brilliance, the vajra or dorje represents great durability -- a hardness plus an immutability that is practically eternal. Ultimately, it stands for

The mystery of the mind, the omniscience, the pure awareness of all the Buddhas,
Indicated by a symbol of eternal strength and constancy,
The vajra heart of knowledge and emptiness is like the sky --
How wonderful to see the intrinsic face of reality! "

this is all very vague for me at the moment even if i wasn't up at 1 drinking cheap wine. something along the lines of meridians and/or energy/spiritual centres that exist within us (whether this is fact or not i don't know but i'm trying to go with my perception of the theme here) which will never cease to exist sort've deal..err if that makes sense.

but aside from all the Buddhist connotations .. relating a vajra and the colour red i immediately thought of chakras and in particular a sh!tload of Alex Grey's paintings/drawing which resemble the same thing along the lines of spirit/energy meridians within and around the body. alot of what he says and draws/paints is about self-discovery/soul evolution through creativity.

to have a guess at what the visionary realm is.. well.. i have no fvcking idea..
*does another quick google search*
here it is from the man.
http://alexgrey.net/essay/whatis.html

apologies if i wasted anyones time with this post, thought i'd give it a go
...or atleast rip off links off google.. which.. i basically did :lol:
anyway..
maybe i'll do more research later. peace :thumb:

bollocked a link

[BlindWriting]

Welcome aboard.

[Kurrpt]

i like his avatar

[BlindWriting]

Anyone like Mastadon here?

I got Leviathon yesterday, I'm listening to it for the second time right now. It's nothing revolutionary, but definitely above average. Their drummer is insane.

[Blizzink]

My friend bought the Lateralus vinyl yesterday (and wouldn't stop ****ing bragging about it to me), and it's awesome. The artwork is nice, the dissectional man is on the bottom of at least one of the vinyls (I'm not really sure, he didn't really let me look at it much).

[Darkness]

I'm ganna pick that up on Friday... I can't wait.

[Ænigma]

I want the Vinyl so bad but I do not got paid until tommrow and I might not even get my money then because of my license. But I will get it.

[maidenmetallica]

I was wondering, why does everyone want the vinyl?
Tool rocks!

[Futuro]

Anyone like Mastadon here?

I got Leviathon yesterday, I'm listening to it for the second time right now. It's nothing revolutionary, but definitely above average. Their drummer is insane. :wave: they are great IMO, you should pick up a recent modern drummer that had him in it (if you dont already own that issue) it was a good read!

I was wondering, why does everyone want the vinyl?
Tool rocks! i dont really care about it, seeing as i dont have a record player that works, but i guess it will have awsome art work, and it might be a collectors item (not sure how many they are releasing)

oh and i agree tool rocks!

EDIT to below: i think it came out august 23rd. i may be wrong, i might check it out on my way home from school today (just for kicks and to check the artwork)

[ThePatient]

Whoa, wait, the vinyl already came out?

[BlindWriting]

:wave: they are great IMO, you should pick up a recent modern drummer that had him in it (if you dont already own that issue) it was a good read!
Actually I subscibe to MD, good magazine. I read that interview you mentioned, definitely a good read.

[Blizzink]

Yes, and I will have to get my hands on it soon just so I can say I own it.

However, I do have a record player or two, and I'm looking into getting a new one soon.

The guy that runs the Exclusive Company in West Bend said it had just came out and he only ordered one (:angry: ). He told me he'd try to get another one but he probably won't, and if he does somebody else will probably get it. I'm still waiting on him to import In the Court of King Crimson.

[Kurrpt]

well, if the vinyl is anything like the salival DVD, it could be worth 2-3 times as much, but i think its a bit different considering

[ThePatient]

Hmm, I'm going to have to rummage through my basement to see if we have an old record player. If not I'm taking a trip to goodwill.

[A pig in a cage on antibiotics]

im a relativly new poster and i don't know how to quote but....wait now i do!!

The word for the ritual implement held in the lama's right hand has been translated as thunderbolt but also diamond. The Sanskrit word vajra means adamantine, that is, "diamond-like." Therefore, besides being able to dent any object and overwhelm with its incomparable brilliance, the vajra or dorje represents great durability -- a hardness plus an immutability that is practically eternal. Ultimately, it stands for

Great job on the research penelope :thumb: i think that that poins towards the fact that "lateralus" can never be destroyed. if you think about it it is now on millions of cd's and it has been recorded and will last for hundreds of years and even thousands........in theory!! and it's probly also an indication of the band being very proud of their work and (rightfully so) saying that it can overwhelm anyone with its incomparable brilliance. any thoughts?

PS has anyone here ever been to the chapel of sacred mirrors?

[A pig in a cage on antibiotics]

ok guys and gals (i personaly doubt theres a whole lot of gals on this forum :lol: ) i uploaded a pic of the vajra and theres the writing in the pic aswel for anyone who doubts the holy message being transferred from my mind to the keyboard and onto the web :amaze: .....and also coz im new and want to try out uploading stuff!! anyhooo i was wondering if anyone had any clips of tool live that they could upload just sumtin real small coz unlike some of u (_(_)holes out there i dont have broadband! if anyone has anything lower than like 5megabites id be eternally grateful coz ive never seen tool live :upset:

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=383162

Poll C is up. Vote for Tool! (Or T:rolleyes::rolleyes:L, if you wish)

[penelope_weird_hands]

^^ A pig on in a cage on antibiotics

thanks !

i'd never thought of that before but i have to agree .. Lateralus has such a timeless quality to it and although maynard has a theme i guess with the lyrics they will only ever be subjective to anyone who listens to them and makes them relate to themselves.
good call.

and chapel of sacred mirrors? literally no.. only seen whatever Alex has on the web.

:thumb:

[A pig in a cage on antibiotics]

/\ / \ penelope_wierd_hands

yeah the chapel of sacred mirrors in new york, i would LOVE to go there but seeing as how its thousands of miles away (irish guy talkin here!) i dont think ill get there any time soon, it has loads of his artwork in lifesize form. portraits of our spiritual being and jesus and all that crazy ****, i mean poo poo!!! :lol:

[penelope_weird_hands]

/\ / \ penelope_wierd_hands

yeah the chapel of sacred mirrors in new york, i would LOVE to go there but seeing as how its thousands of miles away (irish guy talkin here!) i dont think ill get there any time soon, it has loads of his artwork in lifesize form. portraits of our spiritual being and jesus and all that crazy ****, i mean poo poo!!! :lol:

hah :p

sounds awesome tho..!
but.. know what you mean ...
i'm in perth, aus!! :upset:

[A pig in a cage on antibiotics]

ohh heres something, ive been lookin for the song that tool and rage against the machine did together that was never officialy released but was leaked to the web, i forget what it's called, duh!! but does anyone know where i can download it, penelope my man im hopin you can hook me up! :lol:

found the info on it.......Rage and Tool song
This song was originally recorded to appear on the "Judgement
Night" soundtrack - but, for unknown reasons, was never released.
It's title is unknown, but "You Can't Kill the Revolution" is
what people are calling it.

where can i download it though?

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Looks cool. The only callaboration I know of is Know Your Enemy.

[penelope_weird_hands]

^^ A pig etc ;)

http://www.diymedia.net/audio/mp3ratmtool.htm

:thumb:

[Otherside]

I have that track somewhere on my HD if anyone wants me to upload it.

[Huber]

I have the song of them that goes "You can kill a revolutionary, but you can't kill the revolution!"

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Could you send it?

[Huber]

^^ A pig etc ;)

http://www.diymedia.net/audio/mp3ratmtool.htm

:thumb:

That's the one I got.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I'm warning you all beforehand- The sound quality on Revolution is TERRIBLE. I mean, we're talking indiscernable lyrics, muddy guitar riffs, among other things. Still a cool track if you listen to it closely. I'd love to hear a higher quality version, but oh well. :upset:

[penelope_weird_hands]

yeah it's dodgy as fvuck
dunno where else to find it tho ;/

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

It's the only version I've heard, so good luck finding it. I'm guessing it's the only one around. :-/

[metallica10zac]

does anyone know anything about a possible release date for the next album. i need it

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Before Summer '06. Less than a year, that is.

[A pig in a cage on antibiotics]

thanks penelope myman i shall return the favor in time, just don't come to me on the day of my daughters wedding, i dont want you askin for ANYTHING *hoping youve seen the godfather*!!

thats 2 excellent bands, pity RATM broke up tho, but this isn't the place to talk about that!

[Rothmans]

For some reason I still question that that is them collabrating.

[penelope_weird_hands]

:lol:

nah you don't owe me anything, brother.

[Trintar_VIII]

Hello, all. I've been gone for several days - computer troubles. Any news of late? Also, why is the OFFICIAL part gone in this thread now?

[Killtacular]

Because "Official" is too hardcore.

For some reason I still question that that is them collabrating.
X7. Did Tool and Rage Against the Machine do a song together?

They did collaborate on a 7-minute song that is available on various websites. This unnamed song, known only as "Revolution," was apparently supposed to be on the Judgment Night soundtrack, but never made it. It features both bands playing minus Adam (and Justin, obviously)

[Trintar_VIII]

So all Official threads were changed then?

[Killtacular]

You got it.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I just recorded 46&2 on guitar. It turned a little better than I thought it would for a first take.

[A pig in a cage on antibiotics]

yeah thats a savage bass intro *du da du da de dul dadely dadely du da*!! is he running flanger over it, its kinda hard to tell.

any news on the Carey/Claypool colaberation?

[Mr Herb]

carey claypool???!!?!?

[ThePatient]

The who in the what now?! You can't just say that and leave... get back here.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

yeah thats a savage bass intro *du da du da de dul dadely dadely du da*!! is he running flanger over it, its kinda hard to tell.



He uses a chorus pedal, which is similair to a flange effect, but it doesn't garble the notes together, which is what happens with excess flange. When I play 46&2 on my guitar, I typically add a little bit of chorus, just to add a different flavor to it. It makes the song sound quite spacey. :cool:

[A pig in a cage on antibiotics]

sorry guys i had to go, yes Danny Carey is working on a project with Les Claypool the AMAZING bass player from primus!!!! it was on the official site some time ago but i havnt heard anything about it since. whaddyall think of that. sounds promising!!


Edit: Quote from toolband.com

BELEW, CLAYPOOL & CAREY
As I'm sure all of you know, DANNY CAREY is playing drums on ADRIAN BELEW's solo project entitled "SIDE ONE" (Sanctuary Records), with the third member of the "power trio" being Primus bass guitarist Les Claypool. "Side One" is the first of three solo releases by Belew, so look for more of the triumvirate in the future.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Yeah, someone mentioned it a week ago, but we have no new news on it. Sorry to disapoint. :upset: This would be an amazing collaboration though. I mean, two alternative virtuosos, combining to create who knows what. Throw Adrian Belew in the mix and you probably have the 3 most unique musicians of modern music.

[A pig in a cage on antibiotics]

yeah no doubt about that. Danny's been workin with Les on and off since at least 03' so they must have some good ****!!

[Shadius]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=383116

Shameless whoring for a semi-intelligent discussion.

[Killtacular]

No one likes a whore. Repent your sins at once.

[Futuro]

Yeah, someone mentioned it a week ago, but we have no new news on it. Sorry to disapoint. This would be an amazing collaboration though. I mean, two alternative virtuosos, combining to create who knows what. Throw Adrian Belew in the mix and you probably have the 3 most unique musicians of modern music. yeah its pretty good, although ampersand is the only great track of it, side 2 is supposed to be showing off more on a technical point


oh and you are all late as hell!

[maggot4875]

tools coming out with a new album,not sure when though

[BlindWriting]

Yeah, someone mentioned it a week ago, but we have no new news on it. Sorry to disapoint. :upset: This would be an amazing collaboration though. I mean, two alternative virtuosos, combining to create who knows what. Throw Adrian Belew in the mix and you probably have the 3 most unique musicians of modern music.
Yep, that was me. I found it while browsing the January 2003 newsletter.

I hope someday we get to hear some of that.


tools coming out with a new album,not sure when thoughWHAT??

WHERE DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THIS....!!!!1!!eleven!!111!!!!

[maggot4875]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool_(band)

"Tool is currently working on their fourth full-length album. Tourmates Fantômas and Meshuggah have been cited as recent influences. There have been some rumors about the new release, including possible titles, potential DVD releases, and their respective release dates. Since the members of Tool avoid press and rarely grant interviews, there is little evidence to support these claims. Considering the rumor mill preceding the release of Lateralus in 2001, these reports are not likely to prove true. Still, a CD release is widely expected for the third quarter of 2005."

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool_(band)

[maggot4875]

well i first heard it from a my local radio station,but i found that site on google

[PeEpHoLe_10]

well, with that many posts, it is obvious you dont come here often


I do come here often actually(everyday), its just that i only post when i feel i have something better than 'sup fellas?' to say.

Anyways, theres no point in us about arguing about something this petty.Truce...

[Huber]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool_(band)

"Tool is currently working on their fourth full-length album. Tourmates Fantômas and Meshuggah have been cited as recent influences. There have been some rumors about the new release, including possible titles, potential DVD releases, and their respective release dates. Since the members of Tool avoid press and rarely grant interviews, there is little evidence to support these claims. Considering the rumor mill preceding the release of Lateralus in 2001, these reports are not likely to prove true. Still, a CD release is widely expected for the third quarter of 2005."

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool_(band)

I don't think you caught the sarcasm.

We've knwon for a good long time that they've been workin' on a new album, not to sound like a prick, just lettin' ya know.

[Kurrpt]

I do come here often actually(everyday), its just that i only post when i feel i have something better than 'sup fellas?' to say.

Anyways, theres no point in us about arguing about something this petty.Truce...


fair enuff

[Spiritofmosa]

i find tool mysterious.
usually bands would give updates half a year before the album comes out

[repcak]

i find tool mysterious.
usually bands would give updates half a year before the album comes out

tool is mysterious, but thats the reason i like them. i read a few interviews with adam jones and maynard james keenan and i like their philosphy/their view of the world.
i have no problem that tool don't give interviews. the music is more important. the music speaks for themselves.

[Syncratic]

tools coming out with a new album,not sure when though

Wow.....holy crap, thanks for alerting us!

tool is mysterious, but thats the reason i like them. i read a few interviews with adam jones and maynard james keenan and i like their philosphy/their view of the world.
i have no problem that tool don't give interviews. the music is more important. the music speaks for themselves.

I agree completely.

[whatduffhuck7]

does anybody know the officail release date of the new album?

[Futuro]

Yep, that was me. I found it while browsing the January 2003 newsletter.

I hope someday we get to hear some of that. *SIGH* it has come out, about 5 months ago...it is good, buy it....

(i think im being ignored, oh well now i can say tool sucks

TOOL SUCKS HAAAHAA!!!!85three!!!

[paganman7]

does anybody know the officail release date of the new album?


I suspect the band doesn't even know that yet.

What's with Blair's August newsletter? The month is nearly over.

[Syncratic]

TOOL SUCKS HAAAHAA!!!!85three!!!

Dude, you're still failing at that...:thumb:

What's with Blair's August newsletter? The month is nearly over.

I guess we'll have to wait and see. Don't worry, be happy (the phrase is used a lot less than 'wait it out, be patient').

[BlindWriting]

*SIGH* it has come out, about 5 months ago...it is good, buy it....
Details, please.

[Futuro]

Dude, you're still failing at that...
OMG you are so right, you > me, i praise you god!

Details, please. DOWNLOAD AMPERSAND(song)!!! the cd isnt that great but it is good, there is no showing off of talents, i bought the CD but its not that great,but still buy it, it is called "Side 1".

Side2 is coming out before the next king crimson greatest hits (the 4 cd set which came out last year, they are releasing another 4 cds of )and it will include more technical stuff than this last release :)

sup fellas i love you, infact im changing my user title to show it :thumb: VVVV

[Kurrpt]

sup fellas :lol:

[jamesclelland]

it would be awesome if tool did a tribute to mr. moog. the man changed the course of music back before sabbath, zeppelin, even elvis. so it would awesome to have one song deticated to him, since they does use synths.

[Killtacular]

does anybody know the officail release date of the new album?

April 1, 2006.

[repcak]

once they say 'end of 2005', then '2006' and 3months ago i heard it had to be released in july 2005

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

sup fellas :lol:

I don't like your avatar.

[+zero+]

April 1, 2006.
i bet it wont even come out that day. they'll be like APRIL FOOLS! and we would all get pissed. i mean they do something every year for april fools.

[Killtacular]

Heh heh...

[Mr Herb]

this thread has sucked as of late
sorry

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

It's alright. It's true.

[paganman7]

Unless my computer is acting up, I just noticed that on Adam's myspace page, the picture of the three reel cases is gone. Perhaps he showed us something he should not have?


I've spent a lot of time looking at that picture, but cannot read anything on the label (aside from "Tool" and some other inconsequentials).

Any thoughts?

[Magicaltroll]

He also took of the picture of the drawing board.

[Daven]

can someone post a link for Adam's my space?

[Huber]

Adam's Myspace (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=20913840&Mytoken=20050825171811)

[paganman7]

I've a thought:

The reels that were on Adam's page are Quantegy 456 reels. A 1/2 inch Quantegy 456 reel holds about 33 minutes of audio. If this is the case, then the three reels that were posted contain between 67 and 99 minutes of audio. Could they be finished recording?

I'm probably overthinking this, but I'm tired of studying and I'm REALLY anxious for the new album.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Ha, shameless promoter. I really thought he would share his drag fetish...

[Futuro]

this thread has sucked as of late
sorry yeah....ill blame it on you...JK Herb :)

/trying to lighten this cloud, that is smothering all of our posts.
/i get a wierd mood in this thread nowadays.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

No news = no fun

And we've run out of bands to pass the time talking about. Im confident of another Adam blog update, hell, even a blair one before the week is out

[Rothmans]

No news = no fun

And we've run out of bands to pass the time talking about. Im confident of another Adam blog update, hell, even a blair one before the week is out


Where have you been?

Well I know you have been in the FF thread now and then but you seem to be never here anymore.

[Darkness]

Yeah, this thread is rather weak right now... how about another Tool discussion?!

Everyones favorite album?!

[Syncratic]

Okay, I have a new idea.

Hidden Gems?

What do you think are the hidden gems from each album? The songs that really don't get recognized but are excellent nonetheless.

Please, explain your choices as well.

[Daven]

Adam's Myspace (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=20913840&Mytoken=20050825171811)


Thx dude :thumb:

[Futuro]

Everyones favorite album?! teehee not again silly wabbit!

Hidden Gems? from Aenima probaly...
The songs that really don't get recognized but are excellent nonetheless. i mean from opiate probably the last song, cause we never talk about it, and its awsome......thats the only song i can think of we dont talk about...

[Darkness]

teehee not again silly wabbit!

:upset: I'm sorry. I guess tricks really are for kids...

[bleed me an ocean]

im a huge tool fan i own the salival dvd and well practicly all of their ****, just wanted to say your rad for making this thread and danny carey is the best drummer alive!

[Darkness]

Solid first post man! I like it! :D

[bleed me an ocean]

Solid first post man! I like it! :Dthanks gay united ******s in training for life!

[Futuro]

im a huge tool fan i own the salival dvd and well practicly all of their ****, just wanted to say your rad for making this thread and danny carey is the best drummer alive! yeah they are pretty good....JK, nice avatar too made me laugh :lol:

[Rothmans]

yeah they are pretty good....JK, nice avatar too made me laugh :lol:


Where did you get your avatar from??

[bleed me an ocean]

ig ot it from www.skeletalcircus.com boards

[Daven]

Your link doesnt works dude.

[bleed me an ocean]

www.skeletalcircus.com dont click it just type it in the address

[Daven]

Not yet.

[Darkness]

thanks gay united fine african american gentlemens in training for life!
Just lost all respect. :D

[bleed me an ocean]

lol your kidding right?

[Futuro]

Just lost all respect. i just gained enough for some secksy stars!
im very happy for my stars!

uhm anyways, lets talk tool, what is your favorite guitar solo from tool or apc?

[Huber]

I love both of Lateralus' guitar solos.

[Darkness]

lol your kidding right?
Nope*. :D


And faith... what did you do thats so special?


*=Yep.

[Kage]

The second solo in Reflection owns everything.

[Magicaltroll]

The second solo in Reflection owns everything.
Man... I love how they have it to where they have the synth (I think) do a bend and then turn down, and then the guitar does the same thing. It gives a feeling to where it's like it's swaying sort of. They did it on some other parts of the album also.

If that made any sense.

[infinate_ammo]

Yeah tool are good they have some ok lyrics sometimes but they need to bring out more cds it is pretty lame bringing out a cd every 5 years. Justin timberlake could bring out like 5 in that time and he wouldnt even need to try much

EDIT: I guess it's ok they dont bring out many cds because tool is basically maynards side project from APC

[Darkness]

Never... EVER compare them to Justin Timberlake. That was pretty much the stupidest thing ever. And they have side projects, so be patient.

[Magicaltroll]

...Don't ever mention Justin Timberlake in the same sentence with Tool ever again.

And they keep themselves busy for the most part. Especially with Maynard being a whore and everything. But they take their time with their albums. And god are they worth it when they do come out.

/beat

[infinate_ammo]

And they have side projects, so be patient.
Yeah i fixed my post, forgot about that

[Darkness]

Your still wrong, APC is side project to Tool. Not to mention the other members haveing projects of their own.

[Futuro]

EDIT: I guess it's ok they dont bring out many cds because tool is basically maynards side project from APC i dont agree with this comment AT ALL! but oh well thats your opinion :thumb:

[infinate_ammo]

I dont think so sir, Maynard has said many times tool is just a side project for songs he has writtin that billy rejects. Tool is the bottom of the barrel apc stuff

[Kage]

The wait in between CDs is pretty immaterial, I don't know why people even consider it. You have bands that can release great material every 1, 2, or 3 years, but then people who release great material every 5 or 6 years. It's different creative styles. Stephen King once wrote something about how some authors could write so much in so little time, while other authors would take ten years, but each produced amazing material. Creativity isn't a faucet, people!!!

Also, while it is kind of annoying that the band takes hiatuses, it's a good thing, because it gives them a chance to work with other musicians and continue challenging themselves. IF they only worked with one another all the time, they'd slip into a musical comfort zone and not continue to challenge themselves musically, and the music would become boring. I think that is why a lot of bands go to crap after a couple albums.

[Futuro]

I dont think so sir, Maynard has said many times tool is just a side project for songs he has writtin that billy rejects. Tool is the bottom of the barrel apc stuff

*puts hand in mouth gags* oh yeah my bad :rolleyes:

Just for the record I was joking, thank god, i was gonna try out my new powers on you (just kidding i wouldnt abuse it)

[infinate_ammo]

Just for the record I was joking, Tool are possibly the greatest band around today if not the greatest band ever. The fact that they release a CD every 5 or whatever years makes there music that much better, you know not a thing has been rushed on the CD and they have just used there time to make it amazing. Also it means you get a big wait so when you get the CD it's just that much better, it's like heroin in CD form.

[Darkness]

Good joke. :rolleyes:

[infinate_ammo]

Wasn't really a joke I just wanted to see the responce, wasn't as hostile as I had hoped.

[bleed me an ocean]

haha beneath me everyone i know everything about tool and no im not going to answer your stupid question to prove, and dont respond "because you cant answer them"

[Darkness]

I'll try harder next time, sorry.

You'll find here that were not like typical Tool fanboys (if you can call us that). We all just love Tool, but we all see their faults. If you were on like the bored at Tool shed or something, then you'd get a hostile responce.

[Magicaltroll]

Maynard doesn't write all the songs for Tool. He helps out with them.
I would love to see one article/interview where it says otherwise.

[infinate_ammo]

Apology accepted, I think we have all learnt a valuable lesson

[bleed me an ocean]

Maynard doesn't write all the songs for Tool. He helps out with them.
I would love to see one article/interview where it says otherwise.exactly adam jones, justin chancellor and danny carry are tool, maynard just provides vocals at least someone understands

[Futuro]

Wasn't really a joke I just wanted to see the responce, wasn't as hostile as I had hoped.yeah get to know people in here first, we are all pretty cool (except there is a few regulars i dont fancy, but they probably think im a retard too so its all good) we are not gonna try to kill you if you say tool sucks (maybe i will) but as Darkness said we are much better with people than the heavy tool fanboys.

[Magicaltroll]

exactly adam jones, justin chancellor and danny carry are tool, maynard just provides vocals at least someone understands
He also helps with some songs like I said. But alot of the times it's weird instruments he works with.

[Huber]

haha beneath me everyone i know everything about tool and no im not going to answer your stupid question to prove, and dont respond "because you cant answer them"

because you cant answer them

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

I sure wish Tool gave us more to talk about.

[bleed me an ocean]

so umm tool4life?!

[joas]

What instruments, troll?

[Darkness]

because you cant answer them

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

I sure wish Tool gave us more to talk about.
Their isn't another band with as many questions surronding them as Tool does, my friend.

[Huber]

Their isn't another band with as many questions surronding them as Tool does, my friend.

Now subtract all the ones this thread has been over.

[Kage]

Now subtract all the ones this thread has been over.
...and you get -120320

[Killtacular]

Tonight, I had pancakes for supper. Boy, were they yummy.

[Spiritofmosa]

tool is mysterious, but thats the reason i like them. i read a few interviews with adam jones and maynard james keenan and i like their philosphy/their view of the world.
i have no problem that tool don't give interviews. the music is more important. the music speaks for themselves.

link? whats their philosphy

[Darkness]

...and you get -120320
:upset: yes...

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Hey Kage, you're always mentioning all of the Christian allusions and symbology throughout Lateralus. Care to enlighten us? :)

[Kage]

I am?

[BlindWriting]

He is?

[Killtacular]

He did.

[BlindWriting]

I does?

[Magicaltroll]

What instruments, troll?
Not sure exactly which ones. But I'm pretty sure if I knew what they were, I still wouldn't have KNOWN what they were. Because alot of people say they are very... exotic? They're just weird :thumb:

I've heard Lateralus being about the Noahs Ark story.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I am?

It was you, I'm pretty sure. :confused: Well, someone has mentioned how much Christian symbology there is throughout the album. :shrug:

[BlindWriting]

It was you, I'm pretty sure. :confused: Well, someone has mentioned how much Christian symbology there is throughout the album. :shrug:
Spiritual? Yes

Christian? I'm not seeing it.

[Darkness]

Their may be a little bit, The Grudge teaches forgiveness, Parabola about life being a holy experience... and thats all I got...

[BlindWriting]

Their may be a little bit, The Grudge teaches forgiveness, Parabola about life being a holy experience... and thats all I got...
None of those are singularly "Christian" beliefs.

If anything, I feel their philosophies are more Eastern and Occult based.

[Magicaltroll]

I agree with the person that said they are Spiritual.
Alot of religions basically focus on being a "good" person. So it's kinda hard to decide which religion to classify it as.

[infinate_ammo]

Well guys I'm glad to say that this is a great thread for Tool. I normally hang out in the videogames forums, everyone there is an absolute asshole(especially Zakath), it surprises me there is such a kind, understanding thread on MX

[Darkness]

Christian beliefs have a lot to do with being a good person, and I think Lateralus is all about how to be one. I'm not saying Lateralus is christian, but there could be a connection.

[BlindWriting]

Well guys I'm glad to say that this is a great thread for Tool. I normally hang out in the videogames forums, everyone there is an absolute asshole (especially Zakath), it surprises me there is such a kind, understanding thread on MX
I don't know why that just made me laugh. :lol:

[infinate_ammo]

Well I don't want to spam up your thread but Zakath is an absolute douche, I'm pretty sure he has conversations with his mum about the things people say on MX.

[BlindWriting]

Christian beliefs have a lot to do with being a good person, and I think Lateralus is all about how to be one. I'm not saying Lateralus is christian, but there could be a connection.
Of course Christianity does, but then again, so does Buddhism, Judaism, Tao, Confuscianism, Islam, I Ching, Hinduism, Shinto, Rastafarianism, Atheism, Sikh,....

[Moses]

Actually Justin Timberlake is a really good vocalist. He just makes **** music.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Their may be a little bit, The Grudge teaches forgiveness, Parabola about life being a holy experience... and thats all I got...

The Grudge is probably the last thing I'd relate to Christianity, actually. :p All of the allusions to Roman gods make it sound to me like something a Pagan would write, as that type of religion really carries quite an influence from Greek and Roman mythology.

[Darkness]

Of course Christianity does, but then again, so does Buddhism, Judaism, Tao, Confuscianism, Islam, I Ching, Hinduism, Shinto, Rastafarianism, Atheism, Sikh,....
Yeah I know, I was just saying that because other religions believe in being a good person, doesn't meen Maynard absolutly cannot be referencing Christianity in Lateralus.

[Magicaltroll]

Of course Christianity does, but then again, so does Buddhism, Judaism, Tao, Confuscianism, Islam, I Ching, Hinduism, Shinto, Rastafarianism, Atheism, Sikh,....
That's what I said...

[infinate_ammo]

Actually Justin Timberlake is a really good vocalist. He just makes **** music.
Does he even make the music? Or does some industry phool just put the words in his hand?

[BlindWriting]

That's what I said...
I know, I was referencing a post that was made after your comment. But of course I do agree with you.

Also, Tool is a very spiritual, open-minded band, but I thought it was clearly obvious that they're not too thrilled with Christianity.

[Expresso]

He's been known to reference Christianity, probably because they tend to be the first example of organized religion that pops to mind.

Eulogy, for example, is either a clear reference to or blatent mockery of the Christion religion.

Or both.

[Moses]

Who knows if he actually writes his own stuff? He's got alot of potential that won't ever be appreciated by people like us.

[BlindWriting]

He's been known to reference Christianity, probably because they tend to be the first example of organized religion that pops to mind.

Eulogy, for example, is either a clear reference to or blatent mockery of the Christion religion.

Or both.
Yep, exactly. Example B: Opiate (the song and the EP cover art).



Who knows if he actually writes his own stuff? He's got alot of potential that won't ever be appreciated by people like us.
I disagree. If you were to rephrase that and say that he's got a lot of potential but his producers, songwriters, record company, and publicists won't let him do something amazing with his voice (such as, say, Jeff Buckley), then I might agree.

I like to think we're a fairly open-minded bunch of people.

[Darkness]

..So there you go... there are some Christianity references, their not always positive, but their there.

[Moses]

No I mean the music he puts his voice on is like scratching nails on a chalkboard to us.

[BlindWriting]

Yeah, agreed. I honestly don't think he has that good of a voice either. Rather generic.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

..So there you go... there are some Christianity references, their not always positive, but their there.

Well, since you did mention The Grudge, I will disagree on this. Every reference to Saturn, the one, the ten, etc..are basically telling me that Maynard is a Pagan. I mean, every once of the references has popped up in some Pagan religion over time. Granted, most religious concepts are ripped off of previous religions(Roman, in this case) I'm guessing Maynard doesn't really beleive in Roman mythology.

I will say that Schism is clearly about Christianity, although the song shows no objectivity to it whatsoever.

[Darkness]

I simply said that the Grudge has ideas of forgiveness in it, I agree with the Pagan stuff... to an extent.

[Huber]

I've always thought of the members of Tool as very free thinking. No beliefs really, and I quote "beliefs are dangerous".

Drawing an influence from a religion to put into music is far from drawing a faith from a religion. I'm sure Tool has used many religions for influences.