Tool

[x the patient x6]

All tool songs are good,intro,outro whatever they are all good.

thats the best thing ive read all day

[x the patient x6]

good gracious, has this thread just ceased to be? well, to get the conversation rolling again, what do you suspect the new Tool album to be like? more like AEnima, or more like Lateralus part 2 or even AEneralus? isnt it hard to think of a song that doesnt even exist yet? crazy, ok, i hope that gets people talking again


(if everyone has been talking, and my computer is messed up, i apologize for this waste of time post)

[ThirteenthStep]

your computer is not messed up....i really dont know what their new cd will be like.. If you think about it all their cds are pretty different.. they go from the extremely hard Opiate, to Undertow which is has its hard moments and also some soft ones, then to AEnima which has many hard moments, but alot of soft ones, and then Lateralus which also has many hard moments, but alof of soft ones... I think their new CD will either be like Aenima and Lateralus and be hard and soft, or start becoming more soft? i dunno....................

[rage_atm]

danny carey is amazing, he can do single pedal triplets like no-one could ever dream of doing, cept him, cuz he can do them...huueeh

mmmmmm.....to have danny carey's legs...:D

[SonorKen]

I was just watching Escape from LA and noticed Tool was in the soundtrack. The song was Sweat. Anyone know of any other movie soundtracks they have been in????

[the_Leperakorn]

I think the new album will sound like this: æneralusundtopiate

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I was just watching Escape from LA and noticed Tool was in the soundtrack. The song was Sweat. Anyone know of any other movie soundtracks they have been in????

Thats the only one to my knowledge. Did you notice it yourself or did DBJ/Stingray notice it on their 3,042424 watch of it? :lol:

[PeEpHoLe_10]

good gracious, has this thread just ceased to be? well, to get the conversation rolling again, what do you suspect the new Tool album to be like? more like AEnima, or more like Lateralus part 2 or even AEneralus? isnt it hard to think of a song that doesnt even exist yet? crazy, ok, i hope that gets people talking again


(if everyone has been talking, and my computer is messed up, i apologize for this waste of time post)


I think we should just hope they release a new bloody album first.

I am losing faith in this band very fast. :upset:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I think we should just hope they release a new bloody album first.

I am losing faith in this band very fast. :upset:

Go and listen to track 3 on Laterlaus then sit down like the rest of us. The delay is always worth it. Plus they are writing probably as we speak (then again, knowing their working schedule, they're probably slacking now, if I know the time delay in America)

[TheMachineRagesOn]

Personally i think it would tend towards lateralus in some ways, but every album has progressed and changed in sound so its hard to say. As long as they release it and they dont do a st.anger job ill be happy

[TheMachineRagesOn]

Hey as long as it isnt rushed..

[Ellionte]

Tool is great. "Sober" is one of my favorite albums.

[TheMachineRagesOn]

Tool is great. "Sober" is one of my favorite albums.

Undertow?

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Hey as long as it isnt rushed..

Rushed? They are lazy man. Opiate came out in 92 and they have 4 albums. Opeths morningrise came out in 95 and they have 7. And the quality is brilliant.

[TheMachineRagesOn]

yeh i know, but im just saying its better to wait, rather have them rush it if you know what i mean.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Rushed? They are lazy man. Opiate came out in 92 and they have 4 albums. Opeths morningrise came out in 95 and they have 7. And the quality is brilliant.

But Opeth haven't had major legal disputes, and members taking part in large scale side projects. That accounts for a good few years of the delays. Plus if you collectively put together all the albums the band has been involved in, there is a bit more than 7 there

[PeEpHoLe_10]

^^^
I know what you guys are saying, im just to impatient i guess. I jst with maynard would piss off from apc for a while.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

^^^
I know what you guys are saying, im just to impatient i guess. I jst with maynard would piss off from apc for a while.

Well thankfully, APC touring has ceased now, and MJK is back writing with the band. And its unconfirmed that they have already completed at least 3 songs

[TheMachineRagesOn]

cool, any idea on their names, how they sound and what 'theme' this album shall take

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Names and theme are a mystery, but sound is supposedly heavier than previous albums (remebering the Meshuggah influence), and Danny had stated in a conversation after a writing period that he had 'just been involved in the greatest piece of music he had ever been involved with in his career'

[Otherside]

Whoa @ AJD's avatar. Dragonballage :smoke:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Yeah, im cool :D

[SonorKen]

The guys in Tool are far from Lazy. They all are involved in so many aspects of life and different projects that the Tool gig just isnt thier personal priority. They are in the posisition to choose to make Tool thier main focus when they want to and when they do focus on Tool the music it is always un-matched.

Quality over quantity..........

[Paranoidd]

I wish Maynard would piss off from APC too, they do nothing for me.

I'm interested to hear this new album, especially with the whole meshuggah influence.

[SonorKen]

Yea, APC was cool at first now its just old. Everyone should EMAIL Tools site and tell Maynard to quit ****in around with APC. Its almost like Maynard wants to be a rockstar all of a sudden and can't be the RockStar in Tool because of the way the guys in Tool think and react to that kind of attitude.

[Jomoman500]

how the hell can you not like apc, i mean i personally like tool more but apc songs are so well put together. It also is another way just to listen to maynards great voice and lyrics.

[the2stranger]

I still can't believe that the new album will be inspired by meshuggah(drumming), tomas haake, I just love the man


and I love tool


tto good to be true :D

[The Flabbit Rides High]

Can someone please explain to me what Meshuggah drumming is like?

and will their drumming be the only influence on Tool's music?

[ThirteenthStep]

can u guys explain how messhuggah sounds if its a band and recomment any songs? is it a band and how are they like?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Meshuggah are a band, and a very brutal one at that. They toured with tool during the last tour. If you saw the Osbournes episode where Jack drowned out the neighbours with loud music, it was Meshuggah he played.

I would say consult Zakath about them (he is their biggest fan on here), but hes been perm banned by the looks of things. ill root around for some audio

[Expresso]

I really hope that Tool's new album won't sound like too much like Meshuggah... Influence is good, but too much will turn around what makes Tool great. I wouldn't mind an album with Ticks and Leeches-type energy; energy is great, but pure anger simply won't be Tool.

I expect Danny to have new craziness developed, Justin to keep on the same track he was on with Ænima and Lateralus (I think if he does, it would counter the Meshuggah effect), and Adam and Maynard to get most of their changes from Meshuggah influence.

[deadohiosky9]

I dunno what the new Tool album will be like. Knowing them you can't tell. Im guessing it will be different, as all their albums progress. But I know I won't be disappointed. Its well worth the wait.

[Iai]

I always say Meshuggah's drumming sounds like Animal from The Muppets, but 4 times bigger, and on steroids.

It's demented, basically.

[malignant5150]

Yeah that should be pretty interesting to hear that.... because i have a Meshuggah cd (i think Chaosphere)and it has pretty good drumming but its not that different from all the other bands like them (meshuggah) out there. But yeah, i heard Tool's gonna go "heavier" on this new album,which i think will be pretty cool to hear because their heavy stuff is awesome, but then again i hope they dont go TOO heavy because i like their softer stuff too. But i guess we'll have to wait and see

one last thing, i'm pretty sure its posted on here but i dont feel like going through all those pages, but whens the release date expected to be? thanks

[x the patient x6]

i bet someone beat me to this buuut, early 2005, but they dont want it to get lost in the christmas rush, so its subject to change

[deadohiosky9]

Yeah that should be pretty interesting to hear that.... because i have a Meshuggah cd (i think Chaosphere)and it has pretty good drumming but its not that different from all the other bands like them (meshuggah) out there. But yeah, i heard Tool's gonna go "heavier" on this new album,which i think will be pretty cool to hear because their heavy stuff is awesome, but then again i hope they dont go TOO heavy because i like their softer stuff too. But i guess we'll have to wait and see

one last thing, i'm pretty sure its posted on here but i dont feel like going through all those pages, but whens the release date expected to be? thanks

Don't think there is a release date yet. Sometime next year though.

[ænima]

yeah theres no new news bout the date but someone will let us know when they find out :thumb: aye boys

[CoopALoop]

k, my first Tool Cd was AEnima, wihc was awsome. Then i found my dad's Lateralus c'd and i've been lisening to that lately and Holy crap. I've never loved tool any mreo then ever. I've heard alot of their other stuff form other albums but i love Latralus way more. What's your guys/gals fav album?

[Lateralias]

k, my first Tool Cd was AEnima, wihc was awsome. Then i found my dad's Lateralus c'd and i've been lisening to that lately and Holy crap. I've never loved tool any mreo then ever. I've heard alot of their other stuff form other albums but i love Latralus way more. What's your guys/gals fav album?

Its hard for me to say, each album has its own personal style (Undertow - Heavy, Rough.. Aenima - Dark, Mysterious... Lateralus - Progressive, and Enlightening I guess) I got into Tool through Lateralus so I'd say Lateralus, but then Undertow, Aenima and Salival are just so good too. Its definitely too hard to make a choice for a favorite.

[Doomed To Crumble]

Heres a question. does anybody no if people moshed at any tool concerts during the lateralus tour because i was wondering if anybody cold really mosh to that kind of music, me personaly would drifted into a mezmerized dream like state :rolleyes: due to the aura of tool.

how bout you?

[misunderstood]

Well, when i saw Tool during the Lateralus tour, there were people actually moshing. When the concert started off I was at the very front near the stage, but I had to eventually get pulled out 'cause it was just crazy and I wasn't even enjoying the music...so i simply stood at the back and i was pretty much mesmorized by the music. I mean, people were moshing to Parabol! Then again, this was the first time a rock band had been to that hell hole here in Texas. Actually it was the first concert ever held there...and now that I think of it, it was the first and last rock concert..sad.

[an_underused_memory]

pure anger would be so far against what lateralus was trying to achieve...
an enlightened, evolved state....
I for one hope maynard STAYs in APC cause they're great
I hope Danny revives Zaum and they get bigger
I hope Adam and Justin keep doing.....whatever the hell it is they do between albums...
because tool is a synergy (an entity more than the sum of its parts) and the greater the parts, the greater the band.
I think tool full-time simply wouldn't have the energy it does already...
so we can all get pissed off at the delays in tool's projects, but in truth I think they contribute to the awesome force that is tool.
It'd be hard to argue that the improvement and strength of MJK's voice isn't partially due to his work with APC...ditto the clarity of ideas....
or that Danny's drumming, especially his forays into electronics haven't evolve due to his non-tool work.
i say go for it...
a new tool album is like sleep - - i'll enjoy it, but its well worth the wait...

[PeEpHoLe_10]

The guys in Tool are far from Lazy. They all are involved in so many aspects of life and different projects that the Tool gig just isnt thier personal priority. They are in the posisition to choose to make Tool thier main focus when they want to and when they do focus on Tool the music it is always un-matched.

Quality over quantity..........


I think you are giving them a little too much credit. They are probably my favourite band, but i still think they are a little lazy.

[Brogan]

Maynard should go back on drugs. Drugs make bands good ie. Metallica, Silverchair, Oasis etc. Well, we shall see this when the new APC album comes out, i heard it's all about Anti-war.... :(

[PeEpHoLe_10]

^^^
No he shouldnt.

[RideTheSpiral]

Maynard should go back on drugs. Drugs make bands good ie. Metallica, Silverchair, Oasis etc. Well, we shall see this when the new APC album comes out, i heard it's all about Anti-war.... :(


Covers of famous protest songs. Coming out on the eve of the US presidential election.

[Otherside]

If they want to do something like that, then they can do it. If it's good music then I will definitly pick it up, regardless of the lyrical content.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Maynard should go back on drugs. Drugs make bands good ie. Metallica, Silverchair, Oasis etc.

Although maynard did dabbled in drugs, his philosophy now is to achieve the same desired effect without using hallucinagens or stimulants. In other words, through the feeling of playing live, or creating a masterpiece.

And oasis didnt make good music through drugs. noel made good music by ignoring Liam for a change. (ooo, personal opinion there, controversial of me!)

[Killseng]

And oasis didnt make good music through drugs. noel made good music by ignoring Liam for a change. (ooo, personal opinion there, controversial of me!)


Totally agree once again.

[Iai]

Oasis got worse once they started taking drugs.

[clearvision]

The best thing i saw oasis do was that unplugged things, bloody brilliant...Noel is qwality. Liam is a pein.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

All the oasis songs I like have Noel on vocals, or very little Liam. He did so well in that Unplugged, considering Liam threw him in at the deep end by drinking 3 days solid and pulling out.


I think thats a bit too much Oasis in a Tool thread though, not that its a bad thing...

[clearvision]

Well shut your trap then! :p How long do you think tool will go on for, I don't know how they could satisfy their fanbase to not make another album. And I'd hate them to go like so many other bands, make 3 poor albums then call it a day.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Well shut your trap then! :p How long do you think tool will go on for, I don't know how they could satisfy their fanbase to not make another album. And I'd hate them to go like so many other bands, make 3 poor albums then call it a day.

:eek: HOW DARE YOU!

On a serious note, since all the members are geting on a bit, and maynard's voice, if he continues the way he does, probably cannot stay fresh and original forever (then again, looking at iron maiden). I think if they do continue to make more albums, that they will have similar length gaps between each like now, and the members will continue to be involved with side projects.

I also predict at some point that maynard will probably choose between Tool and APC, but I dont think others share my view

[clearvision]

Do you think the rest of the band would carry onw ithout maynard. it seems to em now Maynard is only like the front of the band an the other members do all the real work. I hope your theory is wrong, I think he would choose APC :(

[Adam Jones is GOD]

This was something I was discussing the other day, which member could Tool lose, yet you still would listen. For me, it would be Maynard, as I would be devastated if Adam left, no one could really fill Danny's shoes, and Justin's influence onnthe band is now deep rooted. As for how would replace Maynard, it would'nt be easy, but at the same time, an instrumental version of Tool would be fine with me.

Although I hope it will never happen, maynard might have focus in other places now, he still does have an important role in the creative process in the band

[misunderstood]

If Maynard had to choose between Tool and APC I think he'd stay with Tool and I only say this because I know I've read it somewhere a while back. I'm sure he didn't come straight out and just said he'd pick Tool over APC but I know he made a remark that hinted that. Besides, I don't think he has had as many "problems" with the members of Tool like he has had with members of APC. Not big problems but problems nonetheless.

[Expresso]

Tool could lose: Nobody and still be Tool. If Maynard leaves outright (It won't happen, guys), then it wouldn't be Tool.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Tool could lose: Nobody and still be Tool. If Maynard leaves outright (It won't happen, guys), then it wouldn't be Tool.

It wouldnt be the same, true, but then look at tracks like Merkaba and Triad, great instrumentals and has Tool's sound. Just people who are deeply into MJK will be affect a lot more

[Kage]

Adam Jones once said that the minute Tool stops enjoying playing together, Tool will end.

[Expresso]

It wouldnt be the same, true, but then look at tracks like Merkaba and Triad, great instrumentals and has Tool's sound. Just people who are deeply into MJK will be affect a lot more
Still, even Merkaba carries a message, albiet through sound samples. Even Tool's name reflects Maynard and the band; the band would not have the same energy if their "messenger" left.

Back to song discussion, does anybody have an interpretation of "The Grudge". I've heard things about relationships, but also lines like:

Transmute these leaden grudges into gold

which seem to imply alchemy, and

Saturn ascends...

I'm sure some of you have some insight into these lines and similar ones, and how they tie into the overall theme of the song and the album... I got nothin'

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Still, even Merkaba carries a message, albiet through sound samples. Even Tool's name reflects Maynard and the band; the band would not have the same energy if their "messenger" left.

Back to song discussion, does anybody have an interpretation of "The Grudge". I've heard things about relationships, but also lines like:

Transmute these leaden grudges into gold

which seem to imply alchemy, and

Saturn ascends...

I'm sure some of you have some insight into these lines and similar ones, and how they tie into the overall theme of the song and the album... I got nothin'

i know there are a lot of Astrological references to the Saturn lyrics. It goes int detail on the FAQ. I have never fully explored the song's lyrical meanings much personally, but I love to hear others interprete it

[Iai]

I don't think Tool could succeed as an instrumental band without bringing in guest musicians - possibly even guest vocalists, but no permanent fixture in the band.

That wouldn't be a problem for them, though, considering who the individual members have worked with in the past.


I just imagined Tori Amos fronting Tool. That would rock.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I don't think Tool could succeed as an instrumental band without bringing in guest musicians - possibly even guest vocalists, but no permanent fixture in the band.

That wouldn't be a problem for them, though, considering who the individual members have worked with in the past.


I just imagined Tori Amos fronting Tool. That would rock.

That would be interesting actually. It would also be a nice link in, due to the MJK/Tori duet. maybe that was a secret meeting to discuss such a move? :amaze:

[ThirteenthStep]

I don't think anyone would leave Tool, and I say this mainly because the band seems so close knit, and if one left I think the rest would leave...maybe.. I can't imagine one of them leaving, and the band Tool still being around. I don't even wanna think of one of them leaving. They all put in a unique aspect towards the band. I see them as making Tool a "whole" band, i cant think of the right word, but the band is One individual, rather than composed of 4.. i think, does it make sense?

also: i forgot what happened to Paul D' Amour... Why'd he leave? I know Maynard said "creative differences" or something, but do u guys know any other info?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I don't think anyone would leave Tool, and I say this mainly because the band seems so close knit, and if one left I think the rest would leave...maybe.. I can't imagine one of them leaving, and the band Tool still being around. I don't even wanna think of one of them leaving. They all put in a unique aspect towards the band. I see them as making Tool a "whole" band, i cant think of the right word, but the band is One individual, rather than composed of 4.. i think, does it make sense?

also: i forgot what happened to Paul D' Amour... Why'd he leave? I know Maynard said "creative differences" or something, but do u guys know any other info?


He was holding up the writing process as he wasnt happy with the music they were creating, so on the best of terms, he left the band to pursue what he wanted to do, and to let the band continue

[deadohiosky9]

Tool wouldn't be Tool if any band memebrs left. Without Maynard the lyrics wouldn't be the same, and neither would the voice. Without Adam the rifs would be different. Without Justin's bass lines, it wouldn't be the same. And of coruse without Danny Tool wouldn't be the same. So each member makes up what is Tool. 4 members into really One great thing.

[Quebec]

Help me out.
"Saturn ascends, comes round again.
Saturn ascends, the one, the ten. Ignorant to the damage dooooone."

I think that "the grudge" is about relationship but i can't figure out this part... help me out.

[Everything_and_Nothing_3:15]

Tool wouldn't be Tool if any band memebrs left. Without Maynard the lyrics wouldn't be the same, and neither would the voice. Without Adam the rifs would be different. Without Justin's bass lines, it wouldn't be the same. And of coruse without Danny Tool wouldn't be the same. So each member makes up what is Tool. 4 members into really One great thing.
You can say the same about any band.

[deadohiosky9]

Help me out.
"Saturn ascends, comes round again.
Saturn ascends, the one, the ten. Ignorant to the damage dooooone."

I think that "the grudge" is about relationship but i can't figure out this part... help me out.

It has to do with the Tree Of Life, the one and the ten refer to different paths. If you want more detail go here, its very detailed: Meaning (http://toolpantheon.com/lateralus_meanings.htm)

[CoopALoop]

wow that site has some deep meanings, alot deeper than what has been said on these forums if i'm not mistaken. But wow. That's all wow.

[Lewisx]

But Tool has replaced people, they've replaced they're bassist once from Paul to Justin and both Paul's two albums (two and a half I guess) and Justin's two they both are really meaningful and not to mention great overall pieces of work.

I think you could replace a member but you're changing the sound. For instancePaul did a lot of high end bass work and Justin is much more of a low-end player that's why on their second last album some songs have really low bass and some are high end works.

[CoopALoop]

yeah it matters on who they replace and how, right now i really enjoy their line up

[toolshed23]

Saying Adam Jones is the weak link in TOOL or weak at anything musically is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Jones will easily go down as one of the most if not the most influential guitar players of our generation and his psychadelic sound and overall tonal palette are nothing short of remarkable. :evil:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Saying Adam Jones is the weak link in TOOL or weak at anything musically is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Jones will easily go down as one of the most if not the most influential guitar players of our generation and his psychadelic sound and overall tonal palette are nothing short of remarkable. :evil:

I dont know if he will go down as an influential guitarist officially, but he will do in the true guitarist world, and musically too. But he wont get any kind of lasting impression on most of the population as he will remain a cult figure to the true fans of music.

Unless tool hit the mainstream big time with this album and appear on TRL, TOp Of The Pops, etc ..................oh look, a flying pig

[deadohiosky9]

In the beginning of 4 Degrees, does Adam use an acoustic guitar, or is it a clean electric? I can't really tell.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

As far as I know, its not even Adam playing it. It was supposedly a Maynard riff play on some other stringed instrument. But i cant confirm that.

Adam never uses clean channels though, so it would be more than likely a low level distorted channel. But not acoustic

[Wanker]

It's definitely not acoustic.

[malignant5150]

i think its a sitar. almost positive because maynard uses alot of "exotic" instruments and that might be one of them but yeah i think its a sitar

oh yeah and just downloaded live version of push.it its pretty awesome.
sounds like theyd be pretty good live. has anyone here seen them live?

[Iai]

You can say the same about any band.

Not true. Look at Cradle Of Filth. Or even Pink Floyd.

[deadohiosky9]

I agree with malignant, i think it cud be a sitar. I just can't beleive its an electric on low distortion, it soudns way too clean. It could be a sitar.

[misunderstood]

has anyone here seen them live?


Yeah, I saw Tool about 2years ago when they were on their Lateralus tour....it was amazing...It was an awesome show.

[ThirteenthStep]

if u have limewire or bearshare or something, search "Tool Live" and you'll get all kinds of sweeeeeeet a.ss live shows. I got prison sex, sober, schism, the grudge, ticks and leeches (VERY rare to see them do it live), the patient, parabola, 2 versions of pu****, no quarter, lateralus, aenema, stinkfist and eulogy. NOT good for my computer. I also got a whole **** APC concert (im such a loser) along with a bunch of their stuff too. and ratm. just thought id finll you in if u have it, if u dont, www.limewire.com free download. All the videos are awesome. In one of the pu****s this fan comes on the stage and maynard just decks him, sits on him and keeps singing.

[coddingtown]

Saying Adam Jones is the weak link in TOOL or weak at anything musically is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Jones will easily go down as one of the most if not the most influential guitar players of our generation and his psychadelic sound and overall tonal palette are nothing short of remarkable. :evil:
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He doesnt show off nearly as much as he could. His simple lines, though, can give me chills. My favorite line of his is incredibly simple. The higher guitar part that he plays like 3 or 4 times in you lied is dumbfounding

[Big Balls Ben]

I have two questions about the meanings of tool lyrics if anyone can help me out.

on hooker with a *****-

"that claimed that he was OGT back from 92' from the first EP"

What does that mean? Also in the song Aeneima he says

"**** smiley glad-hands with hidden agendas"

What does that mean?

[Big Balls Ben]

also, (hooker with a *****) what are "501's"?

[deadohiosky9]

I have two questions about the meanings of tool lyrics if anyone can help me out.

on hooker with a *****-

"that claimed that he was OGT back from 92' from the first EP"

What does that mean? Also in the song Aeneima he says

"**** smiley glad-hands with hidden agendas"

What does that mean?

OGT means Old Gangster, in 1992 Tool came out with their EP Opiate. SO hes saying taht this guy was a Tool fan from the beginning. Don't know bout the Aenema line.

[deadohiosky9]

also, (hooker with a *****) what are "501's"?

Vans 501's, a model of Vans I guess.

[bre]

My least favorite is probably Sober, not because I dislike it, but because it's so different from other Tool songs, it sounds more like a normal mainstream metal song. It doesn't show their originality, my favorites are probably Track 8 on Lateralus, Lateralus, Parabola, The Grudge, Triad, and even though it's not completely Tool, since I love the Deftones, when I bought The White Pony, and I saw a collaboration of Maynard James Keenan and Chino Mareno, two of the greatest male vocalists of the new generation, I fell in love with Passenger. :thumb:

[misunderstood]

What does that mean? Also in the song Aeneima he says

"**** smiley glad-hands with hidden agendas"

What does that mean?


I'm not sure but it seems as though he's saying fvck all those fake people who pretend to be so happy and always have a smile on their face (smiley glad-hands) when in reality they're really miserable inside and have some really bad issues or problems (hidden agendas).

Oh, and 501's is a cetain model of Levi's pants...i think.

[ænima]

yeah it must be levis coz there isnt a vans shoe modle name with 501s

[CoopALoop]

it is Levi's

oh and i have now made my Tool collection even larger

Aenima
Lateralus

and now

Undertow


now i know there is still opiate, is there any other tool c'ds i'm mising other than Opiate?

[swingonaspiral9]

I remember a while back I visited a Tool site, I can't remember what it was called, but it had a bunch of downloadable live songs and stuff like that. Anyone know what site it is, or if it exists anymore? I remember the title being "Under a dead ohio sky" and it having quite a plain white design. Google search = nothing. Any help is appreciated.

[misunderstood]

it is Levi's

oh and i have now made my Tool collection even larger

Aenima
Lateralus

and now

Undertow


now i know there is still opiate, is there any other tool c'ds i'm mising other than Opiate?

Well, you're missing the cd/dvd package Salival but its not sold in stores anymore. It came out a while back (don't remember the year exactly) and the only way to get it now is through Ebay but prices go pretty high for those things.

[CoopALoop]

Well, you're missing the cd/dvd package Salival but its not sold in stores anymore. It came out a while back (don't remember the year exactly) and the only way to get it now is through Ebay but prices go pretty high for those things.

bummer, i wanted to max out my collection so to speak.

[Merkaba]

I'm not sure but it seems as though he's saying fvck all those fake people who pretend to be so happy and always have a smile on their face (smiley glad-hands) when in reality they're really miserable inside and have some really bad issues or problems (hidden agendas).

Oh, and 501's is a cetain model of Levi's pants...i think.

smiley gladhands with hidden agendas basically should read "politicians and other people who smile and say what they need to say in order to get money(the hidden agenda)"

[Merkaba]

I have two questions about the meanings of tool lyrics if anyone can help me out.

on hooker with a *****-

"that claimed that he was OGT back from 92' from the first EP"

What does that mean? Also in the song Aeneima he says

"**** smiley glad-hands with hidden agendas"

What does that mean?
I wrote about this somewhere else in this thread.

this guy walks up claiming ogt....original gangster thug...west coast orginitated hip hop term meaning basically down with you from the beginging. he's wearing name brand jeans, and wearing a beasty boys tee shirt, wearing the vans that everyone wears...and drinking a name brand drink fad that everyone drinks, getting the pierces everyone gets, and the tattoos in order to look cool like everyone else....its as ironic as buying a hooker and lifting up the skirt and finding a *****. a fake...a front....bullshlt. If im selling out youre selling out as well...

[Merkaba]

I'm gonna look in my local store for salival. It wouldnt surprise me if they have it. its a good shop. Thats where i got mine from. Anyone want it if I find one. come to think of it, i really need to get me another one.

[Merkaba]

Still, even Merkaba carries a message, albiet through sound samples. Even Tool's name reflects Maynard and the band; the band would not have the same energy if their "messenger" left.

Back to song discussion, does anybody have an interpretation of "The Grudge". I've heard things about relationships, but also lines like:

Transmute these leaden grudges into gold

which seem to imply alchemy, and

Saturn ascends...

I'm sure some of you have some insight into these lines and similar ones, and how they tie into the overall theme of the song and the album... I got nothin'

It is alchemy related of course. In general, alchemy in spiritual terms refers to light in general...(which is what everything is) not just "metal"

Saturn in the "occult" and spiritual schene is connected with change and the decision making process, among other things. It makes you choose between the two opposites and brings the situation to the forefront so that you cant pussyfoot around it anymore. I went to our local spiritual festival about two years ago and got some work done on me with crystals and stuff. These folks really know what theyre doing. i never thought crystals could have as much affect on the body as they do. Anyways i got this cleasning done...and the wonderful ladies from another group were using chimes, and mantras to do sound therapy. They all kept speaking about my energy, and how i had all this energy and all this specialness. One lady said something about Saturn and then the other lady said would you like a Saturn initiation? i was like whats that...she told me about what saturn represents and then i was like sure. So they did this specifice mantra for it and specific tones with some tuning fork like things(which is what the egyptian ankh was used for,initiations, (some highely sexual))....So when it was all over i told the ladies about Tool, what they were about and some lyrics. And they flipped out. I had tool shirts on both days of the fesitval. these are like 40 year old women...a couple were about 55 to sixty. They were very excited, and when i told her the lyrics to The grudge she was very cool about it. and she told me to print out some tool lyrics to bring to her. so here i am the next day with tool lyrics for a 50 year old lady! So two days later, my on again off again relationship with my girlfriend came to a head and we broke it off. WE didnt speak for a year, but we are back friends now. But thats what it means.....choose one or ten. choose between the extremes. the opposites, which is what everychoice comes down to, two opposites. (holy ****, cnn is on and its talking about the nasa satellite probe thing that is on its way to Saturn! its name is kasini(spelling) but it will get closer than voyager and look at its moons as well. can we say synchronicity here this early morning)

anyways...

[deadohiosky9]

I remember a while back I visited a Tool site, I can't remember what it was called, but it had a bunch of downloadable live songs and stuff like that. Anyone know what site it is, or if it exists anymore? I remember the title being "Under a dead ohio sky" and it having quite a plain white design. Google search = nothing. Any help is appreciated.

I think I know the site you are talking about. I think the person who made it took it down, because I also tried to go to that site recently. Isn't it www.deadohiosky.net? Or am I talking about a different site then u?

[swingonaspiral9]

Yeah, that must have been it. That site was awesome. Needs to show up again sometime.

[deadohiosky9]

Yeah, that must have been it. That site was awesome. Needs to show up again sometime.

Ya I agree.

[The_buzzard_of_greenhill]

can anybody on here please tell me the secret track list you guys talked about toward the start on lateralus

[SonorKen]

Ok, we, as Tool fans have to come together on something. Try to keep this inside the Tool thread!!

In the near future there is going to be a competition for the most popular rock and metal song. Well, obviously Tool is the best band ever so we gotta come up with Tool's best song. There are so many but in any event we all collectively need to agree on one, nominate it, and vote on it. Put up some suggestions. Aenema is killer, the music, lyrics, vocals, everything about that song just makes it one of my favorites.

[misunderstood]

Hmm...Its kinda hard to pick just one song ...but i'll go with "H."...it's one of my favorite Tool songs.

[ThirteenthStep]

I personally like "Lateralus" or "The Grudge" cause in both songs it shows alot of the different types of music they can play, and the depths maynard can sing, not to mention the amazing instrumentals.. They go hard and soft in both songs...

The_buzzard_of_greenhill can anybody on here please tell me the secret track list you guys talked about toward the start on lateralus

^ and what is this???? is their relaly a hidden song??????????

edit: wait, or are you just talking about the Fibonacci sequence?

[misunderstood]

I think he is talking about the fibonacci sequence...anyway,
if you are refering to the alternate track listing its... 6,7,5,8,4,9,13,1,12,2,11,3,10.

[swingonaspiral9]

I think we should nominate "Reflection."

Enough said.

[G_Mac07]

Reflection is a good song, I would be happy if it was nominated. I think Parabol/Parabola should be nominated as one song, and possibly Eulogy as well:thumb:

[swingonaspiral9]

Yeah, tough call.

[feelsoinvincible]

can anybody on here please tell me the secret track list you guys talked about toward the start on lateralus
the holy gift maybe?

not a hidden song, but a hidden aspect of the album. If you rearrange the song order as such :
Parabol, Parabola, Schism, Ticks & Leeches, Mantra, Lateralus, Faiip de Oiad, The Grudge, Triad, Eon Blue Apocalypse, Reflection, The Patient, and finally Disposition, it's supposed to sound crazy differnet and open up another world and whatnot. wasn't that impressive to me, but you should try it.

[G_Mac07]

^ I wasn't highly impressed either when I first tried the alternate order, but I'm downloading a program now that should be able to edit out the noiseless spaces between songs. Hopefully that might make things better.

Also, I would like to add Ticks & Leeches and Sober to my previous suggestions for most popular R&M song. How can we only choose one song!?

[ænima]

if this was a Tool song going in it needs to be a really good song that also would make a first time listener make them want to hear more from them, Reflection is mean but i dont think it is a good song to start off on. if it is a song from Tool they would probably put Schism on but my vote would be ether Lateralus, Eulogy or Push it.

and also what does everyone think of eMOTIVe i havnt yet heard it because it hasnt came out yet were i live, does it compeard well to their of two albums, best songs? etc. just give we the details here.

[ænima]

with the the fibonacci sequence it sounds good and makes the song flow into each other but i dont think it was that good either. i think it is worth a listen though its just a change i supose.

[clearvision]

H is probably my favourite, but the grudge is a close second, and then theres sober, my first tool song. Meh i like em all.

/sounds cliche

Seriously though if we try and pump tool up the ranks we will have to unite with 1 song, no use half us going with schism and the other with lateralus or something. The only people that will vote for tool will be people that have albums and not just radio people, so we can choose any track we like...

[Adam Jones is GOD]

But deciding on one song alone is gonna be tough. We should set up some secretive thread with a poll with the top 10 songs, and whichever wins, we all have to vote on.

And hey, tis mod endorsed again! So nice and legal...

[Chu]

Something from Salival!

Why does no one talk about Salival? :(

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Because only a few of us lucky ones (me included) has it. We dont say much as its rubbing salt in the wound for those unlucky ones.

[Chu]

I paid good money for it :)
I really like Merkaba (Live) from it :thumb:
Good stuff.

[TheMachineRagesOn]

Not at all man, please converse about about Salival it will be added incentive to me to get it and others.

[TheMachineRagesOn]

But deciding on one song alone is gonna be tough. We should set up some secretive thread with a poll with the top 10 songs, and whichever wins, we all have to vote on.

And hey, tis mod endorsed again! So nice and legal...


how should the one Tool song be judged, i mean what criteria should we overlook to determine the winner?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Since its a best rock/metal song poll, it should be a song that is able to be placed alongside other rock/metal songs, and not a more alternative tool song. Not to use the word radio friendly, but at least one of their more 'regular' songs.

I think SFK has a better idea of what we need though

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Planning to fix up the poll are we boys? :evil:


Shhhh :angry:

Its in revenge for Tool not being on the metal band comp

[TheMachineRagesOn]

i see, what about something off opiate??

[Adam Jones is GOD]

So I'm sure there'll be more than 1 Tool song in the top 100..if you really want to you can nominate everything they've ever recorded. :p


Thy will be done....


..and of course, Medopalis yet again = GOD

Alt/indie one is going well may i say

[TheMachineRagesOn]

Medopalis you are a champ and yes i get it now, thanks :thumb:

[SonorKen]

ahhhhh well, now we will have Med to help us set all this scheming up!

[SonorKen]

Well, my though behind nominating Aenema is most everyone has at least heard it so they are familiar with it. If they are not familiar with Tool and are a musician and hear the song then they have to be impressed with thier talent. Plus the message is kinda cool...

[Chu]

Salival is great, it has the Live Third Eye, with the different introduction, I have the copy of Salival with Maynard's Dick on the end, hehe :)
It has Merkaba Live which is an awesome song I don't think they've released a studio version of it, or have they?
Their cover of Led Zeppelin's No Quarter, which is fantastic!
And of course the Message To Harry Manback II.
The trippy LAMC phone call, which is just freaky! :P
It's a good album to own I think, I'm not a huge Tool fan but I like this album, alot.

[TheMachineRagesOn]

Well, my though behind nominating Aenema is most everyone has at least heard it so they are familiar with it. If they are not familiar with Tool and are a musician and hear the song then they have to be impressed with thier talent. Plus the message is kinda cool...


amen to that, great song lyrically and instrumentally, Justin is the man :thumb:

[TheMachineRagesOn]

what about Lateralus? (the song )

[misunderstood]

A song I haven't seen mentioned yet...unless i missed it is "Stinkfist" ...i think thats a great song...just a suggestion

[coddingtown]

Salival is great, it has the Live Third Eye, with the different introduction, I have the copy of Salival with Maynard's Dick on the end, hehe :)
It has Merkaba Live which is an awesome song I don't think they've released a studio version of it, or have they?
Their cover of Led Zeppelin's No Quarter, which is fantastic!
And of course the Message To Harry Manback II.
The trippy LAMC phone call, which is just freaky! :P
It's a good album to own I think, I'm not a huge Tool fan but I like this album, alot.
You forgot "You Lied". One of my all time favorite Tool songs by far.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

You forgot "You Lied". One of my all time favorite Tool songs by far.

Just remeber its not a tool song though, its a cover of Peach (being justin's old band, blah blah blah.....) just to avoid confusion

[clearvision]

So we go with aenema...what do we have to do to get it to number one?

/starts registering accoutns

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Not that for a start, we have enough fans here to help it.

Wait for jonny (medopalis) to put up the comp, it'll be after the classic rock one is done.

And check R&M this friday for a present for tool fans

[ThirteenthStep]

What about Lateralus... I think that song really sums up alot of the band's style, it has them playing loud, soft, maynard singing all different ways, its really good, and the instrumentals are good, along with the lyrics... The only thing I think will drive new ppl away from it is the 2 minute intro, even though its good, some ppl just cant sit through it and dont like that.

[clearvision]

Not that for a start, we have enough fans here to help it.

Wait for jonny (medopalis) to put up the comp, it'll be after the classic rock one is done.

And check R&M this friday for a present for tool fans

Man this friday? I'm gonna have to log on THIS friday? Grrr My Gta game will come early in the morning and i was planning not to leave my seat all day...yes i have already bought nappies! Man it's like christmas come early, a tool suprise and GTA...

[Adam Jones is GOD]

We can nominate any song, but what we want to make sure is that we have a front runner that will make it all the way. So we have to come to a netural agreement. We cant let Enter sandman or Run To The Hills be beating Lateralus or Pu****, etc.

And that intro is brilliant, people who like build up will adore it, tool fan or not

[clearvision]

Well aenema is techincally the first tool song i heard. I heard Sober early this yr and i started listening to more of their stuff. My freind did an interpretation of aenemas lyrics for an english assignment. My mates were all tapping their feet and stuff, and they are all HIp-hop/rap dudes, so aenema maybe a good choice as it's accessible...

double post ++

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Man this friday? I'm gonna have to log on THIS friday? Grrr My Gta game will come early in the morning and i was planning not to leave my seat all day...yes i have already bought nappies! Man it's like christmas come early, a tool suprise and GTA...

He he, ill be on briefly too, im going out and doing the old fashioned thing of buying GTA from a shop that day. Soundtrack is missing some Tool though, but cant have it all

[HeReTik]

lateralus,stinkfist, and ænema is my alltime favorites

[clearvision]

He he, ill be on briefly too, im going out and doing the old fashioned thing of buying GTA from a shop that day. Soundtrack is missing some Tool though, but cant have it all

Hopefully mine will come tomorrow...

Though it will probs come on mon :upset:

If it doesnt come on friday this tool suprise bedda cheer me up!

[Adam Jones is GOD]

if it comes on monday, then ill make sure i post all the spoilers I can :p

Its not that big of a treat/suprise, but its a tool related thing (trying not to oversell it)

[clearvision]

Meh its just gonna be some pigmy love circus/zaum thing....when i havent listened to either...im just gnna be all hmphhhh and its gonna make my day worse...

/turns emo and slits wrists

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Really jonny, of all the people to ask what could possibly be happening on friday.

we all know it wont be THAT great in any case

[feelsoinvincible]

Because only a few of us lucky ones (me included) has it. We dont say much as its rubbing salt in the wound for those unlucky ones.
yeah i had to pay !!75 DOLLARS!! :amaze: for that, which happens to be a good price, since i bought it off ebay
I'm not sure whether it was worth it or not. the DVD part is hardly anything, and since i had already watched the videos, it was pretty pointless.
the CD part was .bad. .***. though :thumb:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

its a collectors item, at least you can say you own their whole collection (if you have the others)

And the videos are just as good to see over and over if you are a big video appreciator

[feelsoinvincible]

What about Lateralus... I think that song really sums up alot of the band's style, it has them playing loud, soft, maynard singing all different ways, its really good, and the instrumentals are good, along with the lyrics... The only thing I think will drive new ppl away from it is the 2 minute intro, even though its good, some ppl just cant sit through it and dont like that.
more like a little over a minute... but whatever, i love the intro. the first distorted riff is awesome :D

[feelsoinvincible]

its a collectors item, at least you can say you own their whole collection (if you have the others)

And the videos are just as good to see over and over if you are a big video appreciator
the videos are great, if you have the time, to just watch and interpret. cool feeling when you think of something that you think tool might have intended you to think.

[deadohiosky9]

I think Ænema is a good song to nominate, because the intro is really catchy. Its a good song lyrically and musically. I think Lateralus is good too. Pus.hit and H. show Tool's more emotional side. But those are my favorite four.

[bre]

Parabola.

[Otherside]

Parabola.


Third Eye for me.

[omgwtfboogie]

what about Lateralus? (the song )
Best. Song. Ever.


From the intro to a little past seven minutes, it's already a pretty **** sweet song, but once the bass starts that distorted slide and Maynard's singing gets that rythmic confidence I feel like I'm in heaven. The whole song's a journey, much like the other material on the album.

[swingonaspiral9]

I have and have (not very thoroughly) heard the new APC CD, eMOTIVe. Really, in my opinion, it isn't as fantastic as any of their previous work. I did want to see more of actual APC songs, but I guess I can settle for this. If you're a fan of the slower side of APC, then knock yourself out.

[clearvision]

^there is a thread on it...Most people agree with you. Though a couple songs grow on you, Gimme gimm gimme and when the levee breaks to name a couple...

[Reverend_Bob]

if it comes down to one song.....its gotta be aenema
no matter if ur a tool fan or not, u like that song

i remember my astronomy teacher askin me one time during senior year...
"whats that tool song, where the singer's saying 'learn to swim'?"
i put the song on and gave him my headphones, and a grin quickly spread across his face...

sh1t like that always makes u feel good...spreading the good word

so my vote would be fore aenema

[deadohiosky9]

I also think 4 Degrees, is one of Tool's best songs. It shows their awesome lyrics, Adam's kick as.s riffs + a solo, and Mayanrd's kick as.s singing.

[Kage]

My vote would go to either Lateralus, Third Eye, or Jimmy.

[ThirteenthStep]

Yeah, AEnema, Lateralus, The Grudge are my favorites as of right now...but it constantly changes

[ThirteenthStep]

Hey you know whats cool? 3 of the many movies coming out soon have tool names... theres the most popular "The Grudge", thers another movie, i think its kinda horror-like, called "Undertow", and theres this comedy called "Eulogy".. pretty flippin crazy

[Dancin' Man]

Aenima and Parabol/Parabola are my two favorites. I really like Cesaro Summability too but it's not really a song.

[Kage]

Hey you know whats cool? 3 of the many movies coming out soon have tool names... theres the most popular "The Grudge", thers another movie, i think its kinda horror-like, called "Undertow", and theres this comedy called "Eulogy".. pretty flippin crazy

Yeah I noticed that a few weeks ago. Pretty wild :thumb:

[Expresso]

The more I think, Aenema is best. Other options are Schism and No Quarter.

[the_Leperakorn]

http://krunch.org/apc_sotd/index.php

I was just listening to Freedom of Choice. A Devo fan i was quite looking foward to its release, after listening im dissapointed but in the anyways, during the "In Ancient Rome there was a poem" what has Maynard changed the lyrics to?

[Reverend_Bob]

anyone ever play the game "The Suffering" ?

if u look hard enough...you'll find a ton of tool references....

for instance: one of the prison cells has 'Ticks and Leeches' scrawled on the wall with spray paint. theres another part where a guy is talking on the radio, and you hear him saying "suck me dry.."

good to know theres some tool fans makin video games

[Reverend_Bob]

anyone good at tabbing?

someone should tab Imageine by APC for bass and guitar

although it sounds mostly bass

but yeah, good song, would be fun to play along with the music

[Otherside]

There's like one guitar part in the whole song, it's not hard to figure out the song yourself :\

[The JoZ]

what has Maynard changed the lyrics to?

I don't know if this was an actual question, but the lyrics to Jerk-Off changed a while back, removing the references to guns and shooting, and stuff, and inserting "**** you in your ****ing ***" instead.

Also, Prison Sex got another verse-thing added to it at some point in time. I don't remember what it says though, it's on Toolshed though.

[clearvision]

AJIG, where is my tool related suprise!!! My GTA isn't coming till monday and now you wont give me my suprise..

Worst. Day. Ever.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

AJIG, where is my tool related suprise!!! My GTA isn't coming till monday and now you wont give me my suprise..

Worst. Day. Ever.

I apologise intensely. I've been out all day, and been boozing it uop tonight. It will be there in a mo though

[deadohiosky9]

I just listened to A Perfect Circle play Eulogy live. It is so kick a.ss. Its like insanely perfect.

[omgwtfboogie]

I just listened to A Perfect Circle play Eulogy live. It is so kick a.ss. Its like insanely perfect.
And where might you have stumbled across that?

[deadohiosky9]

And where might you have stumbled across that?

I just typed in "A Perfect Circle" in the search box in Limewire, and one of the results was them performing Eulogy live. I can send it to u.

[G_Mac07]

So when do we need to come up with a favourite Tool song by? Or if if has been decided what are we voting for?

[Kage]

where the hell is the surprise?

[Expresso]

I just typed in "A Perfect Circle" in the search box in Limewire, and one of the results was them performing Eulogy live. I can send it to u.
I'm going out on a limb, but it could have been mislabled... when it was really Tool performing it live.... kay....

[G_Mac07]

where the hell is the surprise?

Featured Artist #3 - Tool

[deadohiosky9]

I'm going out on a limb, but it could have been mislabled... when it was really Tool performing it live.... kay....

Ya I thought the same, but I'm pretty sure its A Perfect Circle.

[Dancin' Man]

Awesome work in the FA

I'm even more ready for a new album now.

[Dancin' Man]

Also might I add that I do now consider Cesaro Summability to be my favorite filler track of all time. If I ever get a chance to release an album with a band that will let me differ from the norm, I will record a baby screaming.

[Kage]

Featured Artist #3 - Tool

ah...sweet

[Merkaba]

I'm going out on a limb, but it could have been mislabled... when it was really Tool performing it live.... kay....

yea, 99.9% chance of that

[Merkaba]

My least favorite is probably Sober, not because I dislike it, but because it's so different from other Tool songs, it sounds more like a normal mainstream metal song. It doesn't show their originality, my favorites are probably Track 8 on Lateralus, Lateralus, Parabola, The Grudge, Triad, and even though it's not completely Tool, since I love the Deftones, when I bought The White Pony, and I saw a collaboration of Maynard James Keenan and Chino Mareno, two of the greatest male vocalists of the new generation, I fell in love with Passenger. :thumb:

YOur least favorite is sober? shame on you!

I love the deftones too!
maybe you can come check out my chrome buckles.... and adjust the mirrors. we could pacify the curiosity of the nights air...whatta ya say?

[clearvision]

I say 'roll the window down'


hehehe passenger is quality

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I just listened to A Perfect Circle play Eulogy live. It is so kick a.ss. Its like insanely perfect.

HUH?!?

Explain further, it is them and everything yes?

Could you send me it at some point?

[thickasabrick]

i just read the featured artist thing about tool and now i've decided to download some of their songs. i like their sound, i might buy one or two of their albums to get the full effect.

[deadohiosky9]

HUH?!?

Explain further, it is them and everything yes?

Could you send me it at some point?

I was searching A Perfect Circle and I found them playing Eulogy ive, it was labeled: Eulogy by A Perfect Circle (Live Tool Cover). Ill send it to you through gmail. Also I don't think its Tool because it doesnt exactly like Adam's guitar.

[Quebec]

Is TOOL a good band live? I've never seen them on tour so i'd like to know if their shows are kick *** or they mess everything up.

[ænima]

A Perfect Circle didnt do a cover of Eulogy that Tool i got that too but it isnt APC its just Tool live.

[ænima]

HELL YEAH! even though i havnt seen Tool live before i have seen lot of videos of them playing live and the crowed goes off! also ive been told that they put on a mean show....i cant wait to see them!

[deadohiosky9]

A Perfect Circle didnt do a cover of Eulogy that Tool i got that too but it isnt APC its just Tool live.

Ah ok. Well it still kicks a.ss.

[Brogan]

In eulogy i heard Maynard makes that "wah wah" sound, most people think it's a bass wah, it's hard to say, it does sound like it (Maynard), because and theres a soft "bassy" sound but it sounds nothing like the usual tool bass as it's very smooth unlike the clean/distorted sound. Then the guitar comes in just before the sound acually starts. Any queries?

[G_Mac07]

Sorry to break the flow of this thread, but can anyone give me a link to a site that gives the definition of the word Lateralus. I've heard that it means something similar to spiral, but I need a proper definition and google hasn't found anything. It's for an english exam I have tomorrow, I get to write about Tool:thumb:

[G_Mac07]

Tool is getting killed by Iron Maiden in evh_maiden's voting thread. I'm not impressed:upset:

double post

[TheMachineRagesOn]

Sorry to break the flow of this thread, but can anyone give me a link to a site that gives the definition of the word Lateralus. I've heard that it means something similar to spiral, but I need a proper definition and google hasn't found anything. It's for an english exam I have tomorrow, I get to write about Tool:thumb:

got to http://Toolshed.down.net
then go to the faq and scroll down, should be in there (very useful faq :thumb: ). Man makes me wish i was still in school...

[TheMachineRagesOn]

Hey you know whats cool? 3 of the many movies coming out soon have tool names... theres the most popular "The Grudge", thers another movie, i think its kinda horror-like, called "Undertow", and theres this comedy called "Eulogy".. pretty flippin crazy

Yeh man thats some whacked out shi't

Watchin Letterman yesterday and noticed that the CBS orchestra played schism when going out to an ad break, heard the first 2 bars and it spun me out..

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I was searching A Perfect Circle and I found them playing Eulogy ive, it was labeled: Eulogy by A Perfect Circle (Live Tool Cover). Ill send it to you through gmail. Also I don't think its Tool because it doesnt exactly like Adam's guitar.

yeah, its tool, Adam's tone sounds weird at first, but as you listen further you can pick up that weird old Silverburst noise coming through. Plus the first few seconds of that recording you can hear danny style drums finishing, and Josh doesn't have a drum sound like it.

Plus the one guitar, cant see James or Billy sitting out.

But yeah, its still cool to have some live tool. Cheers for sending it

(and I dont use AIM, so no s/n sorry)

[deadohiosky9]

Yeh man thats some whacked out shi't

Watchin Letterman yesterday and noticed that the CBS orchestra played schism when going out to an ad break, heard the first 2 bars and it spun me out..

Hell yea man. Thats not the first time they've done that. This is the second time I've heard em. One time when they came back from an ad brea, and i was like whoa no way man. It was awesome.

[deadohiosky9]

yeah, its tool, Adam's tone sounds weird at first, but as you listen further you can pick up that weird old Silverburst noise coming through. Plus the first few seconds of that recording you can hear danny style drums finishing, and Josh doesn't have a drum sound like it.

Plus the one guitar, cant see James or Billy sitting out.

But yeah, its still cool to have some live tool. Cheers for sending it

(and I dont use AIM, so no s/n sorry)

Ya you are right. Didn't think about that.

[omgwtfboogie]

In eulogy i heard Maynard makes that "wah wah" sound, most people think it's a bass wah, it's hard to say, it does sound like it (Maynard), because and theres a soft "bassy" sound but it sounds nothing like the usual tool bass as it's very smooth unlike the clean/distorted sound. Then the guitar comes in just before the sound acually starts. Any queries?
I thought it was one of Carey's drum samples.

[TheSubtleArts]

^or it could just be a synth sample

[Dancin' Man]

What is this 74 minute live Woodstock '99 Tool business I've found on Limewire? Is it the Salival show?

[NephilimCSC628]

I know what the song "Stinkfist" is about, its about Anal Fisting -_0

cute. I think its a great song, probably my favorite by them. I'm tryin to figure it out but i heard someone say it was about the american media and censorship and I've checked it out and I think it fits.

[NephilimCSC628]

Sober, by Tool.

May I just note before I start that what I present is not the definitive lyric. Maynard oftens changes the words when he sings live, and some parts of the song have two or more possible transcriptions. Here, however, is what I hear and how I interpret it -


There's a shadow just behind me
Shrouding every breath I take
Making every promise empty
Pointing every finger at me
Waiting like a stalking butler
Who upon the finger rests
Murder now the path called "must we"
Just before the sun has come

Jesus, won't you ****ing whistle
Something but the past and done?
Jesus, won't you ****ing whistle
Something but the past and done?

Why can't we not be sober?
I just want to start this over
Why can't we drink forever?
I just want to start things over

I am just a worthless liar
I am just an imbecile
I will only complicate you
Trust in me and fall as well
I will find a center in you
I will chew it up and leave
I will work to elevate you
Just enough to bring you down

Mother Mary won't you whisper
Something but what's past and done?
Mother Mary won't you whisper
Something but what's past and done?

Trust me

Why can't we not be sober?
I just want to start this over
Why can't we sleep forever?
I just want to start things over

Trust me

I am just a worthless liar
I am just an imbecile
I will only complicate you
Trust me
Trust me
Trust me
Trust me

Why can't we not be sober?
I just want to start this over
Why can't we sleep forever?
I just want to start things over

I want what I want

I see this song to be about religious persecution and the differences that can spring up between people when their faiths contradict each other. This is a topic Maynard would revisit later in Schism.

As far as I am aware, both Maynard and Danny Carey (the drummer)are, like myself, Satanists. I think this is a major point to recognize when interpreting the song; the concluding line, "I want what I want", is reflective of many of the core beliefs to Satanism - mainly individualism and the embracing of the traditional Christian sins, which stems from a disbelief in the afterlife. As in "We shall never repent for these sins, therefore we are free to indulge as long as nobody in this life is harmed."

The song begins with some very dark thoughts; these lead me to believe that the song may be referring in some way to the ages where Christianity was the only accepted religion and anyone who held ANY other belief was ridiculed, feared, hanged, et cetera. "There's a shadow just behind me/Shrouding every step I take/Making every promise empty/Pointing every finger at me" would therefore refer to the stigma attached to the subject's individualism. In the witch-burning times, it was common to blame the devil for anything and everything, and anyone who was not a Christian was immediately associated with that. However, I am unclear as to exactly what "Making every promise empty" refers to. Perhaps the man is tempted to betray his beliefs (his promises to himself) to seek acceptance?

"Waiting like a stalking butler" could be a sly dig at organized religion - a butler is a servant. "Who upon the finger rests" is interesting - taken as a statement, it implies an accusation levelled at the religious people; perhaps because they are part of the herd this is some way makes them the evil ones. However, I'm pretty sure it is intended as a question, which throws it out into the open. Just who is in the wrong?

The bridge (the "Jesus/Mary" bit) is bringing the song into the modern age, suggesting that nothing has changed since those times. While Jesus is whistling his merry tune of persecution from ages past, most have moved on and the song is old and no longer relevant to a society that - at least in theory - embraces all peoples.

The chorus at first seems to beg the question 'What are they drinking?', but I think it's much more important to ask why. The subject wants to drink to forget; to forget about the past and bring the religion into the 20th century (the song was released in '92). This is re-enforced when the lyric changed from "drink forever" to "sleep forever"; sleep it off and in the morning you'll remember nothing. Or maybe it means to lay the feelings to sleep forever and never mention them again. Even, if you want to be spectacularly sinister, "sleep forever" could equal "death".

The "I am...." section brings to mind the scenes in A Clockwork Orange where the main character is tied down, has his eyes clamped open, and is forced to watch the abuse he has dished out on others. From becoming a participator to becoming a spectator, the feelings change completely. One of the two parties in the song could therefore have switched sides, so to speak, and has now used the new perspective to see how wrong they were. Of course, it could just be sarcastic; this actually ties in with the lyric better. "I will only complicate you" is a sideswipe at the simplicity most people choose; to just believe what others tellyoudo and turn a blind eye to anything else that may complicate your blind faith. The "center in you", I feel I barely need to mention, is the soul. The last two lines again express a cynicism regarding the afterlife; religion raises people's hopes of going to Heaven/Nirvana/whatever, onlyfor them to be brought down when they discover there is no afterlife, or even brought down to hell when they find out they were born into the wrong religion.

Were it not at that time in the morning when you start reciting South Park jokes, I probably wouldn't have spotted that.

So that just about concludes it. As I said, Tool would re-visit this theme three albums down the line, in Schism. However, there is a very nice theory concerning Lateralus and Kabbalah....but I'll save that for another day.

I fully suggest everybody look for hidden meanings in Maynard's lyrics between the hours of 4 and 6 in the morning. It's a great experience.

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Bear in mind this was written more than a year ago, for my diary. Is that the sort of thing you're after?

I think it's about Maynard trying to make tea, hence the "Jesus, won't you ****ing whistle" lyric. But seriously, good work, I'm working on validating my points for "The Patient". Could be a while....

[Kage]

Since when are Tool Satanists?

[swingonaspiral9]

What is this 74 minute live Woodstock '99 Tool business I've found on Limewire? Is it the Salival show?

Don't think so.

In the CD booklet part of the Salival box set, it identifies the cities they got the tracks from as Portland, Salt Lake City, San Diego, and Denver. I have 3 (two and a half) copies of those bootlegs, and have concluded that You Lied is from the Portland show, and possibly Pu**** as well, but with a doctored intro speech. Third Eye might be from the San Diego show, too. I'm still short the Denver show, so I might update as I discover these things.

[Chu]

Since when are Tool Satanists?
Nevermind, it's not what you think.

[+3kk!]

tool are not satanists.......thats for sure.

[TheMachineRagesOn]

Can anybody out there play sober on bass well, its basically all strumming and if anyone in here can play it well and give me a few pointers on how to play it/strumming on bass for that matter, it will be greatly appreciated :thumb:

sorry if this is spam.

[Otherside]

Tool are atheists. That interpretation was way out there. Stinkfist is just using Anal Fisting as a metaphor, what I really think it means is the desynthisizeation(sp) of people these days because of the brutal assault on our senses from the media and the like.


Something kinda sad about
the way that things have come to be.
Desensitized to everything.
What became of subtlety?


I've posted my Sober interpretations before...


Sober is about a man who can't stand life and his addiction to alchohol, the religious references are more of a plea, for instance: "Jesus won't you ****ing whistle" is meaning "Jesus why arn't you answering my prayers".

[Reverend_Bob]

What is this 74 minute live Woodstock '99 Tool business I've found on Limewire? Is it the Salival show?

no, its not the salival show, but its just as badass
its definately worth checking out. i listen to it quite
frequently

[Jerzzzey]

This is the best thread ive ever read. Because of this thread i am now addicted to Tool, as i have many of the same beliefs they do. Which i would have never noticed if it wasnt for this thread, because i never really got into the meaning of there songs & only had 2 Tool songs on my computer (Schism & Sober). I now have all of Tools songs & they are one of my favorite bands thanks to you fruitcakes.

[deadohiosky9]

Tool are atheists. That interpretation was way out there. Stinkfist is just using Anal Fisting as a metaphor, what I really think it means is the desynthisizeation(sp) of people these days because of the brutal assault on our senses from the media and the like.





I've posted my Sober interpretations before...

They are atheists? I just thought they were against religion. I don't think any of the band memebers have ever come out and said what their beliefs were.

[clearvision]

^ Against religion and aetheists...sureley the same thing...

Now what kind person wants to gmail me some live shows and the salival dvd/cd... :) robertchapman88 at gmail.com

[deadohiosky9]

^ Against religion and aetheists...sureley the same thing...

Now what kind person wants to gmail me some live shows and the salival dvd/cd... :) robertchapman88 at gmail.com

Hmm... I dunno. Can't you be against religion, and still believe in God? Religion and God are 2 separate things. But this is kinda off subject.

[malignant5150]

i got some live tool videos off of "music television sucks" or something and the quality was like really bad. does anyone know where i can get some good qaulity videos of them live. i got rid of kazaa and all that stuff so i need some kind of website or something. thanks in advance

[Adam Jones is GOD]

There are very few close-to-good quality videos as tool ban cameras/recording equipment at their shows, so those that exist are taken by bad little people who broke the rules.

you'll be better with finding APC videos, since they've done TV spots and everything

[ThirteenthStep]

i dont know if tool is aetheist or agnostic... theyre not totally against religion, they just dont find it necessary or important for themsleves... theyre not really anti-religion and beliefs...i think theyd actually want u to believe in whatever u want, not go along with their beliefs just cause u like them as a band.. thats like controlling you, and in their terms NOT "Thinking for yourself" (if u base a decision like that solely on their music)

[Otherside]

Oh, I'm pretty sure they are completely anti-religion, or atleast maynard is. That idea may not be expressed as much in Tool, but APC has several tracks devoted to anti-religion songs. Judith and The Noose, for example.

Although, it could be argued that those are anti-christian songs, and they hardly ever mention other religions.

[deadohiosky9]

Oh, I'm pretty sure they are completely anti-religion, or atleast maynard is. That idea may not be expressed as much in Tool, but APC has several tracks devoted to anti-religion songs. Judith and The Noose, for example.

Although, it could be argued that those are anti-christian songs, and they hardly ever mention other religions.

I agree. Maynard is pretty anti religion or anti christianity. But he's not saying other ppl shouldn't believe in it. I don't think he really cares as long as you are thinking for yourself and aren't blind. He says that religion used to be something pure until some a.sshole comes along and tries to make money off of it. He doesn't like the people who use religion for profit. Don't forget about Opiate, thats a very anti christian song.

[Dancin' Man]

Deadohiosky, what song has the line "This is necessary" in it? I've heard it and have it on my computer but can't remember.

[deadohiosky9]

Deadohiosky, what song has the line "This is necessary" in it? I've heard it and have it on my computer but can't remember.

Disgustipated, last track on Undertow. "life feeds on life this is necessary". Good song.

[joas]

I feel a little let down. The live version of Third Eye I have doesn't have the whole 10x or so repeat of Maynard saying "Prying open my third eye". Aw, that part's so badass..

Hah, well alright, it's still a totally kick *** version. Anyone got any other different live songs other than off of Salival?

[deadohiosky9]

I feel a little let down. The live version of Third Eye I have doesn't have the whole 10x or so repeat of Maynard saying "Prying open my third eye". Aw, that part's so badass..

Hah, well alright, it's still a totally kick *** version. Anyone got any other different live songs other than off of Salival?

you can download a lot of Live Tool with Limewire.

[deadohiosky9]

This is really random, but how come in some threads i can see ppl saying "f.uck", and its not censored, and in other it is? Does it just no catch it or what? Cuz i see it all the time.

[an_underused_memory]

Otherside,
i think the line "jesus won't you fking whistle something but the past and done"
is more saying jesus (christianity) is all about the past whereas maynard/the protagonist of sober, wants spirituality to be about the future.
Its interesting i'd never noticed until you quoted your own post above, that the seeds of tool's "evolution" philosophies are lyrcially quite strong even on undertow. I'd always considered them to be beginning on Aenima....
**** they're good!

[malignant5150]

i havent really noticed any lyrics about the whole evolution thing or whatever on undertow i thought they started all that on aenima like u said but i guess not. might have to go look at that again....

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I feel a little let down. The live version of Third Eye I have doesn't have the whole 10x or so repeat of Maynard saying "Prying open my third eye". Aw, that part's so badass..

The only reason that it repeats constantly is so the CD could be pushed to the limit of the allotted CD space. Doing it live would be a strain on his voice after so many shows

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

Hooker With a *****, is my favorite song on the CD...Yet no one likes it :(

[malignant5150]

i like hooker with a ***** but its not quite my favorite song on the cd
by the way got the new apc cd. pretty good i didnt really like it at first but it grew on me. passive is probably my favorite song on there. they should of made more original songs though but its still good

[Otherside]

Hooker with a ***** is a pretty highly rated song of theirs... just not talked about much, probably because it's very straitforward in lyrical content.

[deadohiosky9]

i like hooker with a ***** but its not quite my favorite song on the cd
by the way got the new apc cd. pretty good i didnt really like it at first but it grew on me. passive is probably my favorite song on there. they should of made more original songs though but its still good

I love Passive. Its a kick a.ss song.

[Otherside]

So.. I was out walking my dog tonight, no moon and no street lights. I was listening to Parabol-Parabola. We'll at the end