Tool

[misunderstood]

When is the dvd supposed to come out?


November 16. But! yesterday i read that there is ANOTHER APC dvd coming out sometime in the future. This one will actually include live footage from their Thirteenth Step tour and Mer De Noms era...from their first tour i think i heard which was in either '99 or '00 with NIN. The dvd coming out in November i think will only include "The Noose" live and some extra stuff like their video collection, i think i heard. ..and some pictures or something that they took whilel touring...not an entire live concert as orginally thought. So now there is another dvd to look forward to...i don't know exactly when though.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

November 16. But! yesterday i read that there is ANOTHER APC dvd coming out sometime in the future. This one will actually include live footage from their Thirteenth Step tour and Mer De Noms era...from their first tour i think i heard which was in either '99 or '00 with NIN. The dvd coming out in November i think will only include "The Noose" live and some extra stuff like their video collection, i think i heard. ..and some pictures or something that they took whilel touring...not an entire live concert as orginally thought. So now there is another dvd to look forward to...i don't know exactly when though.

...that sounds like the DVD that is coming out on november 16th? You sue you not got mixed up?

[misunderstood]

...that sounds like the DVD that is coming out on november 16th? You sue you not got mixed up?


No, check this out:
"First off, what happened to all the footage the band taped on the most recent tour and where's the live DVD? The answer to that one is: It's coming. The band intends to put together a proper live performance DVD compiled from footage from both the Mer De Noms and Thirteenth Step eras of touring. It may be awhile though; the band will take their time with it and first let these upcoming releases (eMOTIVe and aMOTION) run their course." --- www.aperfectcircle.net

you can this also at www.basetendencies.com

[TruthIsATrainWreck]

Tool tickles me pink. ^_^

[SonorKen]

i don't know about you, but i'd like to slip into maynards head for a little bit. if it's scary, i'd get out, but if its as calm and serene as i think it is, i'd stay for awhile and take a vacation.

I don't really think Maynard is the actual mastermind behind the lyrics and theories. I believe it is Adam and Danny. I would like to talk to Adam about Metaphysics and I would like to talk to Danny about Saunierre.......

[an_underused_memory]

^^^^ I agree with stagegfright...
I think Maynard is the lord of the poetry/final ideas but reading danny's site its certain that he has a big input to the broad theories....
So i think maynard is the mastermind of the lyrics, but not the theories, tool as band seem to all be exploring slightly different areas that come together as the braod ideas in songs....

[Otherside]

The thing about Tool is how the different members play their own way, yet it all comes together to form wonderful music.

[sgrevs]

are there any deeper meanings to their videos? i mean there must be and its not all just random crap thrown around

any ideas people?

[deadohiosky9]

are there any deeper meanings to their videos? i mean there must be and its not all just random crap thrown around

any ideas people?

I have always been thinking about that. I know there is some meaning to it. There hasn't been much discussion at all about the videos on this thread. So lets get some talk started. I'm gonna watch em agian, and see what I think.

[sgrevs]

the video for Ænima is weird but its got lots of water. song seems to hav sumthin to do with floodin away stuff n the like. must be some sort of link...no?

[malignant5150]

^^^ yeah because the song is basically talks about him wanting la to "flush away" so yeah id think it would have water in it....

[BurtonChancellor]

the video for Ænima is weird but its got lots of water. song seems to hav sumthin to do with floodin away stuff n the like. must be some sort of link...no?
Well, if you want to understand the meaning behind that, just listen closely to the lyrics of the song, or look them up and take a read. The entire song is a Maynard rant against LA/California, and his wish that the entire state will be "flushed away". If you actually have the album (Ænima), then lift up the CD and look underneath it. It's a hologram of California disappearing off the map under the ocean.

[ænima]

yeah thats right i was gonna say the hole thing about California disappearing but you said it or me

[an_underused_memory]

The whole idea of flushing LA away is a Bill Hicks line....on one of his tours, he talks about how evil LA is and he can't way for the day that god will flush it away, like when he flooded the world in the noah bible story, because it was too full of sin.
The San Andreas fault is one of the most volatile in the world, and it will eventually crack enough to submerge california....but probably not in our lifetime.
Unless something unusual happens.....

[deadohiosky9]

Hence the line "learn to swim"

[clearvision]

MAJOR BUMPAGE!!!one111

Could you guys put together a bibliography of books you've read/sites you've visited that are related to tool. As in theories tool use in songs, inspirations and influences...Yeha i think it would benefit alot of people...

/Ps my new user title pwns, doesn't it?

[Eonsunset]

I haven't seen this mention yet...Lachrymology "the sheading of tears." Supposedly this is what TOOL's music is really about, not just about their views of how un-compassionate religion is these days. But in the lyrics Maynard tries to get across that putting yourself in a vulnerable position, and learning and growing from the pain that has come your way. He mentions about crucifying the ego, which deals with meditation, also when he says, "the moon tells me a secret, your confident." Where does the moon get its light from? The sun...where does your confidence get its light from your ego. And to truly step aside from individuality (in my opinion seems hard) and to connect yourslef with everything around you. To understand better of 46 & 2 and everything TOOL is trying to get across watch the movie. Pi -faith in chaos-

TOOL- the band decided to name themsleves this because they wanted to teach the listerners (us) about Lachrymology, they wanted to be a tool (shed)

-peace-

p.s. yes TOOL is brillant, but their not everything, all you...go outside and do something productive.

[The Flabbit Rides High]

Yesterday, I bought Aenima.

And the other day, i bought Lateralus, without even knowing anything about Tool.

Imagine my suprise.

[deadohiosky9]

MAJOR BUMPAGE!!!one111

Could you guys put together a bibliography of books you've read/sites you've visited that are related to tool. As in theories tool use in songs, inspirations and influences...Yeha i think it would benefit alot of people...

/Ps my new user title pwns, doesn't it?

Tool Shed (http://toolshed.down.net)

Tool Pantheon (http://www.toolpantheon.com)

I'll put more once I think of some. But that Tool Pantheon site goes into good detail on Tool's philosophoes and the philosophy behind Lateralus.

[Straf]

Someone mentioned Tool's videos and I think they're definitely worth discussing.

Just watch the Parabol/Parabola video. In my eyes it is full of symbols and a piece of art in it self (perhaps it is another way of conveying the same as is conveyed through the lyrics and music?)

I find it hard to understand the video (harder than the song it self), but does anyone know what it's all about???

Straf



P.S. English is my second language so don't kill me if I fail to write correctly :)

[an_underused_memory]

About lachrimology:
as far as I know, the commonly held veiw is that its a hoax concoted by the members of tool - no one has been able to find any record of the reference books they mentioned in relation to it.
BUT - the thing is, it seems a great theory to me: advancement through tears? its like saying "no pain, no gain"; like the native American Indian sweat lodge rituals of placing yourself in discomfort in order to bring the world to a better blace, like some eastern mediation forms...
Is it a case of tool being so good at bull****ting that even when they do, they stumble across something deep?
or is it true, and the reason no one can find the books is because danny/blair found it (he's a rare book collector so has access to resources others don't)

Or does it matter either way? I got something out of it, i think its a valid idea, and whether its invented by tool in 98 or some author in 28, or some other time entirely, that doesn't change my response.

Flabbit: what was your reaction to the presumable sensory overload of 2 new tool albums within a week? its like trying acid and mushrooms, for the first time, on the same night!

[Adam Jones is GOD]

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I bought the second string tribute album this weekend, and the results vary i must say. Most of the Undertow songs are really well done, but some of the more complex sounding songs (stinkfist, Lateralus) lose it a bit. Anyone else got it, or the first one?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I would send you something, but it would take a while, each of my tool tracks are 30MB as I wanted them down in their best quality. But i did send a live one over Gmail a while ago, so I could send it again

[Adam Jones is GOD]

The live one is a lot smaller, as it was one I downloaded from a site. Ill add you now in any case.

[ThePatient]

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I bought the second string tribute album this weekend, and the results vary i must say. Most of the Undertow songs are really well done, but some of the more complex sounding songs (stinkfist, Lateralus) lose it a bit. Anyone else got it, or the first one?

I've got both of them, but the first one is the better of the two. For some reason, maybe the one you stated, the second just didn't hook me like the first one did. Maybe I'll listen to it later and find out.

[Cort2003]

Well, if you want to understand the meaning behind that, just listen closely to the lyrics of the song, or look them up and take a read. The entire song is a Maynard rant against LA/California, and his wish that the entire state will be "flushed away". If you actually have the album (Ænima), then lift up the CD and look underneath it. It's a hologram of California disappearing off the map under the ocean.


Yeah, and the oklahoma panhandle is inaccurate. It's weird how maynard hates LA/California, when he lives in LA.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

From what I know, most people who live in LA hate LA


Even though I live in England, I can tell LA is the sell out phoney capital of the world, arguably

[Dancin' Man]

Oh man. I want Tool to tour soon. Relevance Factor - 1

[Toolious<mopez>]

30 MB? How the hell did you manage that? :amaze: Do you have AIM/MSN anyway? If you do, and you want to, just add me. My names are in my profile, as I don't think Gmail works for that large a file does it?

dude im sure that the GB of space gmail provides is enough for 30MB or even an intire album of 30mb tracks...

[an_underused_memory]

to me, LA is a symbol for all that glitters but is not gold...
everything there seems a facade from here in sydney...like a movie set - you've got a regular looking place, but walk round the back and its just a fake front...

hmmm n string tributes....i'm a classical muso, and i didn't really love either of the cds...but there's enough good ones over 2 cds to make one good compilation, so i think i will do so...

[Reactor158]

I just bought Lateralus last week, having heard almost no Tool before, except for H and Schism occasionally on the radio. I have to say it's an incredible album.

[misunderstood]

^^ Yeah, Lateralus is infact a great album....you should really try to get Aenima also. That is my personal favorite Tool album followed by Lateralus....I'm more than sure you'll really like it.

[Paranoidd]

Yeah, and the oklahoma panhandle is inaccurate. It's weird how maynard hates LA/California, when he lives in LA.

The best way to write something is from experience.

[malignant5150]

to the guy that wanted someone to send him tool stuff...
i can send u an album if u still need it ...but do u know which one u want? i dont have salival (of course not) and i dont have opiate. but i have the rest so im me on aim whenever im on (im on almost everyday) whenever u want me to send the album

[Lateralias]

I haven't seen this mention yet...Lachrymology "the sheading of tears." Supposedly this is what TOOL's music is really about, not just about their views of how un-compassionate religion is these days. But in the lyrics Maynard tries to get across that putting yourself in a vulnerable position, and learning and growing from the pain that has come your way. He mentions about crucifying the ego, which deals with meditation, also when he says, "the moon tells me a secret, your confident." Where does the moon get its light from? The sun...where does your confidence get its light from your ego. And to truly step aside from individuality (in my opinion seems hard) and to connect yourslef with everything around you. To understand better of 46 & 2 and everything TOOL is trying to get across watch the movie. Pi -faith in chaos-

TOOL- the band decided to name themsleves this because they wanted to teach the listerners (us) about Lachrymology, they wanted to be a tool (shed)

-peace-

p.s. yes TOOL is brillant, but their not everything, all you...go outside and do something productive.

Theres a whole section on Lachrymology on Tool's official page, actually its at the page where you can choose between the "Dissectional" art site, and the official real site, you know, the page with the brain. The section on Lachrymology is hidden on that page, but it shouldn't to hard to find for the rest of you puzzle solving Tool fans. :)

[TOOLphreak_46and2]

i def. agree with you on that one!!! Ænema is good if you havent actually sat and had the great experience of listening to Maynards voice....on the other hand Lateralus is so deep and i love it! but every TOOL album is kick @$$ is my opinion...

[TOOLphreak_46and2]

i have a really stupid question...but is it Ænima or Ænema? its spelt both ways on the cd itself...i put it Ænema...but...i dont really know! everyone else that i have seen put it...Ænima! can someone please explain....!!!!

[TOOLphreak_46and2]

it really does bother me as well when ppl sa they are TOOl fans when they only know one or two songs. on the other hand...im a serious TOOL fan. i own all of their cds even the string tributes. i have every **** poster and underground **** that Maynard did way back in the day (C.A.D and The TexAns) i have like 3 TOOL backpacks and all of TOOLs necklaces/rings/hats/beanies/sweatshirts/t-shirts its crazy how bad my room is....im the biggest TOOL freak around...

[Paranoidd]

it really does bother me as well when ppl sa they are TOOl fans when they only know one or two songs. on the other hand...im a serious TOOL fan. i own all of their cds even the string tributes. i have every **** poster and underground **** that Maynard did way back in the day (C.A.D and The TexAns) i have like 3 TOOL backpacks and all of TOOLs necklaces/rings/hats/beanies/sweatshirts/t-shirts its crazy how bad my room is....im the biggest TOOL freak around...

You can be a fan without buying everything with the word "tool" on it, you know.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

i have a really stupid question...but is it Ænima or Ænema? its spelt both ways on the cd itself...i put it Ænema...but...i dont really know! everyone else that i have seen put it...Ænima! can someone please explain....!!!!


Both are correct for Tool titles, one is the album title, the other is the song title.

Ænima = Album
Ænema = Song

[Killseng]

Any news on the TOOL album?

[clearvision]

Any news on the SEARCH function?

No news, new APC album will come out first.

[Otherside]

it really does bother me as well when ppl sa they are TOOl fans when they only know one or two songs. on the other hand...im a serious TOOL fan. i own all of their cds even the string tributes. i have every **** poster and underground **** that Maynard did way back in the day (C.A.D and The TexAns) i have like 3 TOOL backpacks and all of TOOLs necklaces/rings/hats/beanies/sweatshirts/t-shirts its crazy how bad my room is....im the biggest TOOL freak around...



All you read and
Wear or see and
Hear on TV
Is a product
Begging for your

Fat *** dirty
Dollar

So...Shut up and

Buy my new record
Send more money
**** you, buddy.
Applies to you.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Any news on the SEARCH function?

No news, new APC album will come out first.

Clever :thumb:

But why do those type of posts always appear after my posts?

i asked this in the Undertow review thread, but it got little response. Does anyone else find their copy of Undertow is 'quieter' than the other albums. Im relating to general noise rather than musical composition. I always find I have to turn up more when listening to it.

[an_underused_memory]

TOOLphreak,
we've had the "i'm the most true fan" "no, i'm the true-est fan" debate for so long now....
i think we can just let everyone be as much or as a little a fan as they like, and if someone who's only heard one song thinks they're a fan, it really doesn't damage my standing as a tool-o-phile...
do i sound like a cranky old bastard? probably...
but if you read the last 10 pages or so, you'll understand that we've debated the topic so many times....

[an_underused_memory]

yes, i think I agree with AJ is God
Undertow is a little compressed compared the dynamics on Aenema, and especially Lateralus.
For ages I stopped enjoy undertow because I didn't like the mix...I still don't love sylvia massey's production on that album...however
I put on 4 degrees the other day.......my god, it blew my away again. how awesome!

[deadohiosky9]

I have also noticed that Undertow is quieter. I need to listen to that album more. And on the tool fan argument, just let it go. we r all tool fans here. No one cares whose the bigger tool fan. Once again i shall say that we are here to discuss tool not ourselves. Also on the lachrymology thing. Does anyone hear cry when listening to Tool? I haen't cried when listening to Tool, but i haven't put myself in that vulnerable state either. I'm gonna try it though.

[Otherside]

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2
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Bump.

[clearvision]

Never Spam this thread again b!tch..

Has anyone read any books that relate to some of tools philosophys? Im reading through that cool occult story on danny's website, intresting stuff. What do you guys make of it?

http://dannycarey.org if you haven't seen it

[SonorKen]

Ive read several of the books. I would suggest Holy Blood Holy Grail to anyone interested in the Saunierre mystery. It is come interesting stuff and definiatly will give a person more options to consider in the grand scheme of things......

[Gravitation]

Never Spam this thread again b!tch..

Has anyone read any books that relate to some of tools philosophys? Im reading through that cool occult story on danny's website, intresting stuff. What do you guys make of it?

http://dannycarey.org if you haven't seen it

Atleast I got you talking about something.

[Killseng]

Is that the thing they showed on the history channel.

[SonorKen]

Atleast I got you talking about something.

Listen, when you spam a thread and get banned for it you don't create another user and spam the same thread. Let me tell you where this is going. You spam again with another user and your going to be perm. banned from the site. I'll go back and perm ban your primary user as well.

[clearvision]

SFK banning him for trying to bump the thread once was maybe a bit harsh? A quick flaming and they'll see never do it again...

What are peoples conclusions to the Saunniere mystery? It's kinda related to tool cause there's a whole section on it on dannys site...

[SonorKen]

18. Don't bump threads, if they are not popular let them die off.

Its not harsh man, we have stuff as mods we have to do. This guy had been bumping all kinds of stuff and when he does post up a reply it has nothing to it and might as well be a bump. A little 3 day temp. ban will hopefully make him think about what he wants to do and be known as here at MX.

I hope he doesnt decide to spam again and loose the user name Otherside, thats a cool username........

[SonorKen]

SFK banning him for trying to bump the thread once was maybe a bit harsh? A quick flaming and they'll see never do it again...

What are peoples conclusions to the Saunniere mystery? It's kinda related to tool cause there's a whole section on it on dannys site...

As far as the conclusions to the Saunniere mystery, its something people need to research on thier own....

[x the patient x6]

it really does bother me as well when ppl sa they are TOOl fans when they only know one or two songs. on the other hand...im a serious TOOL fan. i own all of their cds even the string tributes. i have every **** poster and underground **** that Maynard did way back in the day (C.A.D and The TexAns) i have like 3 TOOL backpacks and all of TOOLs necklaces/rings/hats/beanies/sweatshirts/t-shirts its crazy how bad my room is....im the biggest TOOL freak around...



maybe we have proof of mind control in Tool songs?

(for those who are unaware: www.toolbandlyrics.com, and while your at it, check out the thread about that link there[approiatly titled "Tool and Subliminal Messages?"])


i have one shirt, all the CDs, no posters, no backpacks, none of Maynards undergound records, none of the other works by other members, no sweatshirst, no necklaces, no rings, no hats, no beanies, no posters, and i dont capitalize Tool all the time

yet i consider myself an avid Tool fan

your not to much of a Tool "Phreak" as you are a bad shopper with no sense of monetary value...but ill admit, i used to be that way with other bands

its not so much how much money you give to Hot Topic, its more about loyalty to the band itself, just a tip for the next band you get into for 2 weeks

[an_underused_memory]

Really, as I said above, I find this one-upmanship about who's the most proper form of tool fan a bit pointless...
i know i'm a cranky old bitch, but i'm so sick of reading these debates...

SFK, is holy blood & the holy grail good? I'll have to check it out...
I just started one of the other books on the tool reading list, the wasp factory - its fiction by Iain Banks, quite good...only near the start but so far i'd recommend it to all toolheads..

SFK, or anyone for that matter, have you read the Da Vinci Code?
In yesty's paper there was an article that the publishers of holy blood are suing the publishers of Da Vinci code because of similar ideas.
I haven't read either so I can't comment, but be interested to hear your opinions...

[SonorKen]

I havent read the Da Vinci code. I have heard they are basically about the same topic. The Holy Blood Holy Grail is a good book. Its a hard read tho. They hit you with TONS of names and generations of families and lineages to keep track of. The book is definiatly an eye opener. I don't really talk about what my actual thoughts are of the book in public forums........

[mudvayne15923]

Someone gave a great insight into the alternative tracklist, although it can be hard to do, if you read
http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/question/insight7.html


oh my dear sweet god, that site changed the way i listen to music, does anyone else know anything about the alternate order? this has me intrigued to no end

[deadohiosky9]

maybe we have proof of mind control in Tool songs?

(for those who are unaware: www.toolbandlyrics.com, and while your at it, check out the thread about that link there[approiatly titled "Tool and Subliminal Messages?"])


i have one shirt, all the CDs, no posters, no backpacks, none of Maynards undergound records, none of the other works by other members, no sweatshirst, no necklaces, no rings, no hats, no beanies, no posters, and i dont capitalize Tool all the time

yet i consider myself an avid Tool fan

your not to much of a Tool "Phreak" as you are a bad shopper with no sense of monetary value...but ill admit, i used to be that way with other bands

its not so much how much money you give to Hot Topic, its more about loyalty to the band itself, just a tip for the next band you get into for 2 weeks

Omg dude that site is hilarious haha. Ignorant b.astards.

[naw mean mang?]

idk if this has been mentioned yet, but is tool getting back together soon? ive heard rumors of it and i was wondering if anyone knew when.

[mudvayne15923]

Dude thats f.ucking awesome. If I could get my dad into Tool, then dam.n. That would be awesome.

are u serious? my dad was responsible for me getting into tool when i was 10, 6 years later we still jam

[Diatonic Dissonance™]

Tool are alright. Haven't really heard any though.

[clearvision]

Where is this tool reading list you speak of? May find myself sending mother with a shopping list to get em some reading materiel...

/is lazy

[Otherside]

Well, i'm back... just a few things I would like to say/pointout

1. I would like to apologize for spamming, however I don't really care about postcount, I just wanted someone to start discussion.

2. That account (gravitation) was made in september, and its now october.. I didn't make a account after I was banned. I made that account a while ago, but I didn't like the name, so I choose this one.

3. Thanks for the compliment on my username :)

[an_underused_memory]

How enigmatic, SFK....is this because your veiws are controversial (as is the whole book, i understand)?
i maintain that we're still on-topic since its a tool-related book...in case anyone is getting pissed off about these book talks :)
I'm off to buy Holy Blood today, looking forward to it.

Clearvision, the list is from the old tool newsletter, the band used to recommend books each issue...
http://toolshed.down.net/community/readinglist.html
the newsletters are worth a read, too...
But unfortunately, sending your mum with a shopping list won't help much - apart from Holy Blood, the Wasp Factory, and a few other more classic books, they're hard to find...in sydney, anyway - i spent a day traipsing round the city trying to find some of the more science based books, and got zilch.
perhaps amazon is the answer...
good luck and let us know if you read/have already read some of them..

[ThirteenthStep]

I think Tool is possibly the greatest band out there. Everything about them is and can not be replicated. They're truly unique and one of a kind. I have been reading this forum for a long time, (not all of it) and I have always wanted to contribute but I was to lazy to make an account. Now I have one. I've loved reading everything everyone has said (only if it was positive and beneficial for tool) and am glad to whoever made this forum. One question, I may have passed over this earlier when reading this forum... Anyone wanna expalin the significance of Pu****? I have my ideas but I'd like to here your guy's inputs...

Tool kicks all arses.

[an_underused_memory]

go right ahead and explain your pu**** theories....i'm (we're) all ears!
its been a while since someone posted analyses....which reminds me I should continue my 13th step analysis...

[the stranger]

I've ordered the 'complete Anochian dictionary'
which is referring to the language in with, faaip de oiad (the title) was written

I'm hoping to recieve it this week, and I'll let you know my ipinion once I've read it

[deadohiosky9]

are u serious? my dad was responsible for me getting into tool when i was 10, 6 years later we still jam

Ur lucky dude. My dad constantly tells me I can't idolize a rock star (referring to Maynard), he hates my music. Wish me and my dad could jam. That would be so cool.

[Hero of the Day]

I just got the book Nothing in this book is true but its exactly how things are by Bob Frissell. It is very interesting, it talks about alot of things. If you are a big Tool fan and would like further explanation on some of their ideas get this book.

[deadohiosky9]

Ooo I need to get that book. It sounds interesting.

[deadohiosky9]

O btw- has anyone here read anything by Timothy Leary?

[x the patient x6]

I think Tool is possibly the greatest band out there. Everything about them is and can not be replicated. They're truly unique and one of a kind. I have been reading this forum for a long time, (not all of it) and I have always wanted to contribute but I was to lazy to make an account. Now I have one. I've loved reading everything everyone has said (only if it was positive and beneficial for tool) and am glad to whoever made this forum. One question, I may have passed over this earlier when reading this forum... Anyone wanna expalin the significance of Pu****? I have my ideas but I'd like to here your guy's inputs...

Tool kicks all arses.

http://toolshed.down.net has the most extensive Tool FAQ ever, and individual analysis of songs etc.

also

www.toolpantheon.com has some intresting information about Lateralus and its relation to the Quabala...very enlightening id say...

as for my interpretation of Pu****?

i have no idea, how ever it is a very good song

46&2 however, i do know, and its on that FAQ

ok later

[CoopALoop]

i saw the "Imagine" video by APC that they ahve on there. Manyard makes a good point at the beginning watch it, quite good indeed :thumb:

[deadohiosky9]

i saw the "Imagine" video by APC that they ahve on there. Manyard makes a good point at the beginning watch it, quite good indeed :thumb:

The Imagine video kicked a.ss. You could tell they worked hard on it. Made a good point too. Everyone watch it!!!

[ThirteenthStep]

Imagine was very asss kicking.... Come on guys, someone post something of Pushhit.. I had some ideas about how its like pretty much everything that needs to be made serious has to be hammered into a person, whether they want to know it or not..... I really don't know... But yeahd

[Adam Jones is GOD]

i saw the "Imagine" video by APC that they ahve on there. Manyard makes a good point at the beginning watch it, quite good indeed :thumb:

I love the way he described how it was devised to skip the censors and make it to air time, as most of his past videos have not made it past censors to get day time airing (certinally the case in England, only Sober and 3 Libras of any Maynard 'projects' have been aired at reasonable hours).

For those who haven't seen it, its a cleverly put together video with past news story videos that depict war scenes and other topics relevant to the song. As all the scenes have been broadcast on the news, the censors cannot really stop it, or else it will be a tremendous depiction of the censorship nation that america sadly seems to be sinking further into. And it also has a Devo reference near the end :thumb:

But on a more personal note, those dolls scare the **** out of me!

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Tool will most definitley touring next year, and playing Download! (ok, that last part was just optimisim). APC 99% wont be, as they toured for a long time with the 13th step material, and the new albums isnt really live material. As for the Noose, the only critisicim i've heard is when its played live, it is very hit or miss if it transfers the feeling and mood of the song well. its amazing when done right, but mediocre when not.

The video is not on TV in the UK I know, very very rarely are APC vids played on UK TV, not even Scuzz will show them (but they have gone all screamo). Its available to view on their site though, here (http://www.aperfectcircle.com)

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I wonder if it was Maynard who had a direct hand in making the video, or whether it was another director who came forward with the proposal? maybe even Maynard has passed over into the video making area. Move over Mr Jones?


























....fat chance :D

[Mega Tool]

I know The Pieces Fit!
I know The Pieces Fit!
I know The Pieces Fit!
I know The Pieces Fit!
I know The Pieces Fit!

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Please do not spam this thread, no matter how cool of a lyrical spam it is. Only intelligent comments, or at least relevant ones

[Otherside]

Hmm... who would be interested in some song grudge matches? like.. Third Eye vs Hooker with a *****

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Could be an interesting idea...as long as people give some intelligent reasons why.

Edit: and oh yeah...ME FIRST!!!! ill take your example

[Otherside]

Unrelated to my last post: I just found something that relates to A perfect circles second album, 13th step. It has been theorized that the 13th step is about addiction to drugs, and the different steps invovled, and by the 13th step they have chosen to stop their addiction ect ect.

This is most likeley a coincidence but, the 13th amendment of the constitution abolishes slavery. In this case, it could relate to abolishing the slavery over the persons life by drugs. Am I reaching here?

[The JoZ]

I thought someone theorized that the 13th Step was starting your addiction over with, but the 13th amendment...interesting...

[ThirteenthStep]

I think Otherside could be right.... Because in Gravity the last words Maynards sings are "I choose to live", which probably means that the addiction will end, which would fit with the whole 13th amendment idea (thanks for telling me that)

also usually, when things appear coincidental with Tool/APC theyre prolly meant to be that way

[deadohiosky9]

Someone said someting about posting views no P.u****. Well that is one of my favorite tool songs, particularly for the lyrics and the emotion in the song. And the ending chords Adam plays are absoltely kick a.ss. I always thought P.u**** was about an abusive relationship, or possibly someone forcing something on him. "Theres no love in fear". "you're pushing and shoving, pushing and shoving me". That shows how it cold be an abusive relationship. But I don't have time ot go into detail right now. But I promise I'll post a more detailed interpretation of the song sometime later today.

[ThirteenthStep]

While on the subject of Pus.hit (amazing song), have you guys heard the version of it on Salival??? I thought it was incredible... Its pretty different from the original. If you've heard it, what do you think about it?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

While on the subject of Pus.hit (amazing song), have you guys heard the version of it on Salival??? I thought it was incredible... Its pretty different from the original. If you've heard it, what do you think about it?


Greatest.Tool.Song.Ever

in my opinion of course. Like MJK states before the song, it really is looking at it from a different angle, and it becomes so much more epic

[ThirteenthStep]

i definitely agree.... maynard reaches another level with those vocals

[x the patient x6]

im sad that whoever that mod was closed my oh-so-successful thread...but at least it was "of large magnitude" or something to that effect, so im just going to eulogize it with this qoute from another mod from that very same thread


I started to close this thread and move it to the Official Tool thread. I feel this thread deserves to stand alone as it reveals a much deeper problem of parental figures or authority types failing miserably to understand music in general. While they happen to be focused on Tool this could have easily been any band.

This is one of the better threads I have seen on MX. Good thread and great posts people....


ok later

[Adam Jones is GOD]

It was a good thread, it had some good opinions on misinterpretation as a whole of lyrics. However it did just become another 'questions about tool' thread, which is what this was created for

[The JoZ]

Honestly, I don't see how anyone can think Pushit is better than Third Eye.

There is really no comparison IMO...

[Otherside]

Intermission or Disgustipated are by far the best Tool songs.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Honestly, I don't see how anyone can think Pushit is better than Third Eye.

There is really no comparison IMO...

Third eye (to quote Justin) was 'the ultimate Aenima remix' . It is a fantastic song, but I still find the re worked version of Pu**** better, due to having the live recording (literally) which gives you the experience of hearing how they sound without all the studio dubbings. And it shows off the full power of MJK voice.

Third Eye is a better instrumental though

[SonorKen]

I don't really think of any songs being better than the other, they are all good and have thier place. I usually find that I have some songs I listen to more depending on my mood or enviroment.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Same with me, but Pu**** will fufil my needs no matter what the mood. The song itself has so many moods, it covers most of my usual ones.


But i will still crave for 4 degrees after a while, **** that riff! :lol:

[malignant5150]

yeah push.its one of my favorite tool songs followed by bottom (i dont know why but i just love that song) ill start working on an interpretation of pus.hit sometime soon when i find the time

[The JoZ]

Well, I mean, the Live version of Third Eye outdoes even the Live Push*t I think...

Third Eye might not be their 'best' song, but I think it beats Push*t w/o a doubt...

Meh. :thumb:

[ThirteenthStep]

the transition between intermission and jimmy is cool
Same with parabol and parabola
Disposition/Reflection/Triad
Eon Blue Apocalypse/The Patient
any others?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

the transition between intermission and jimmy is cool
Same with parabol and parabola
Disposition/Reflection/Triad
Eon Blue Apocalypse/The Patient
any others?

That one works the best as they used to be one song.

I think (could be having a blank out though) thats all the ones I could name

[deadohiosky9]

I agree that the live version of Push.it on Salival, is f.ucking amazing. I love the beginning riffs Adam plays. And what Maynard says before they play it. The song is done form a totally different angle, and I thought the push.it on Æenema was good, I was blown away with the live version. But Third Eye does have really good instrumental.

[Why does it point left?]

gotta love the lyrics to ticks and leeches
:thumb:

[Master*of*Puppets]

Hey, don't wanna seem like a newb but... i litterally havnt heard any Tool before and I hear they're f*ucking good. Could u guys suggest some of their best songs, thx.

[SonorKen]

Aenema, 46&2, Sober, Stinkfist, Parabola, Ticks and Leeches, You Lied, Prison Sex, that should get ya started.

[nikkos]

I haven't spent the time to read the whole post, but from what I glanced at about what people were saying about Eulogy, I saw no one brought up L. Ron Hubbard. I have heard from the person who got me into Tool that it was about him. After researching up on him and listening to his line in Aenima (F*** L. Ron Hubbard and f*** all his clones) I feel that it makes sense to be about him. Any thoughts?

[nikkos]

well that was my first post and I have no idea how these threads work so whatever... the message didn't show up where I thought it would... I didn't know there were um... 46 pages! so my post is probably irrelevant.

[SonorKen]

Nah, Eulogy is about Bill Hicks. The theory Aenema is based on is actually part of Bill Hicks comedy routine.

Welcome to the forum btw. Go read the rules for this section before ya log off.

[ænima]

i was read all about Bill Hicks it was amazing i told you everything about him on thi site but for some reason they shut it down a very amazing guy..

[deadohiosky9]

Nah, Eulogy is about Bill Hicks. The theory Aenema is based on is actually part of Bill Hicks comedy routine.

Welcome to the forum btw. Go read the rules for this section before ya log off.

A lot of ppl have said its about him, but I don't know, they admired him a lot, I don't see why they would be so angry at him. Possibly anger at his death, since they liked him so much. Since we all do feel anger when someoen we love dies. What is everyone else's thoughts on this?

[bebubly]

anyone know where i can find out more about bill hicks and some of his material??

and to dead ohio sky...i guess the reason we feel so angry is because we feel we have been abandoned by that person, whether or not their death was their fault...and i guess if the person feeling the anger believes in a god they could also feel frustration towards their god for having that person taken away from them...but i'm not so sure about that because i'm not religious...but there's what i reckon...

[epiphonegtrs8888]

Eulogy is about Jesus, not Bill Hicks. The lyrics don't completely make sense if it's about Hicks. Like deadohiosky9 said, why would they be angry with him?

[bebubly]

i'm pretty sure i have read in many places that it is not just about jesus...and i have a feeling they did have hicks in mind whilst writing it...but i can't remember exactly how it relates to him...

[clearvision]

My opinon is that Eulogy are about people WANTING to be Jesus. Not the man himself. It makes alot of referneces to jesus, but thats because he is one of the most sucessful martyrs in history. The line that says to me it's not about Jesus is 'Not all martyrs see divinity, but atleast you tried'.

[epiphonegtrs8888]

I'm gonna' take back a little of what I said because you guys have a point.

[deadohiosky9]

Ya, I think it could be about ppl trying to be like Jesus. hence the line "we need the f.ucking space, to nail the next fool martyr." But I do sense some Bill Hicks anger. It could be a combination of both.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

anyone know where i can find out more about bill hicks and some of his material??


Read 'Love all the People', it documents all his best material and other unreleased writings he had done. Or pick up one of his CDs, he recorded several shows onto CDs and released them, usually with music linking each segment. I would suggest Arizona Bay or Philospohy, which contains the best ones (spelt correctly on the CD, but not by me)

[bebubly]

thanks :thumb:

in a cheap way as i am just a mere child with no job and shoes with holes in them...hehe...any good sites to sample his material online??

[deadohiosky9]

You can download some of his stuff. I've downloaded some of his stuff with Limewire.

[Reactor158]

i know Tool are also fans of Bob Frissell. today i just ordered one of his books "Nothing In This Book is True, But That's Exactly How Things Are". i'm looking forward to reading it.
and, i know this is off-topic, but, today i just saw the new APC video, Imagine. it's really good :D

[bebubly]

i tried watching it but my internet was too screwed up...care to fill me in on it??

i wanna read that book but i can't find it...and i'm broke...so once you've read it tell us what it's like...:thumb:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

For those who have Salival, click Here (http://www.windowsmedia.com/mediaguide/albuminfo/?p_id=P++++23076&a_id=R+++508817&name=Tool)

Is there secrets on there that I missed? Or are they talking rubbish?

[clearvision]

I'm gonna' take back a little of what I said because you guys have a point.

Never do that, songs mean different things to different people. By all means take note of what people say and let it change your opinons, but if you retract your opinions because of what other people say you are not following the #1 tool guideline. Think for yourself.

[epiphonegtrs8888]

That's not what I meant. I said I'm gonna' take back A LITTLE of what I said, meaning the part where I said that it is only about Jesus.

[deadohiosky9]

For those who have Salival, click Here (http://www.windowsmedia.com/mediaguide/albuminfo/?p_id=P++++23076&a_id=R+++508817&name=Tool)

Is there secrets on there that I missed? Or are they talking rubbish?

I dunno what they r talking bout the Hush duet. But everything else looks right.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Thats why i guess there are secret sections, the Tori Aimos duet would be cool to see again

[deadohiosky9]

What is the Tori Amos duet from?

[an_underused_memory]

Otherside,
re the slavery 13th amendment...
i'm sure that APC/maynard didn't know that when they chose the title...however, it just goes to show the interconnectedness of things.....
the pieces fit!
even if they were never meant to!

[an_underused_memory]

and I disagree, SFK...how could tool call Hicks 'another dead hero' and love his work...
then call him a fool martyr (amongst other things) in the second track?
i agree the clearvision...to me it feels more about people who expect to be glorified in death...
but as i'm thinking about this I'm reassessing...
the continuation of clearvision's quote "not all martyrs see divinity"
is "but at least you tried"
so who this figure or figure-type is, is someone who still gets repect from tool...
maybe the **** thing IS about hicks...
i must read it with a fresh head...with clear vision (hehe cheap shot i know)
i'll get back to you..

[Doomed To Crumble]

the post that you pu up about maynard making fun of religion is not what i think he is trying to say. for me i think that he is commenting on the way that people use religion to con other people into doing what they want. is the sound he say "we would both like to rape you". to me that is the person using peoples love for religion and using it to screw them over, an example of this is the problems with priest rapeing the the little boys by luring them in getting there trust by using religion as a sign of comfort. i am really tired right now so sorry that i couldent take more time to explain myself more.

and for anyone who hasent already figured this out, maynard of tool is a genius and is for more intelligent then all of us but in a different way, and if you listen to tool enough you can see why.

[Reactor158]

i tried watching it but my internet was too screwed up...care to fill me in on it??

i wanna read that book but i can't find it...and i'm broke...so once you've read it tell us what it's like...:thumb:

it's pretty good. if you see it with the interview, maynard talks about how all the images in the video are off network television, which is exactly what the whole video is. there are various news images, george bush, iraq,etc. there are also some weird clips with baby dolls with moving mouths.
as for the book, i just ordered it yesterday, and probably won't get it for about a week, but when i do, i'll fill you all in :D

[Hero of the Day]

I started reading that book last week. Its great ,it talks about so many things. It opened my eyes to new ideas.

[TOOLphreak_46and2]

I'm fairly sure it's Ænima...although I don't have the album, so I might be wrong. That's what it's called on amazon though, so I'm going with that.

:confused: well on the CD...when u buy it the plastic §hit on the outside says that its Ænima...but when you open the fvckin cd and look at the songs...its Ænema....its really starting to bother me!!! lol...on all of the sites n e §hit it says Ænima as well....i need help... :upset:

[TOOLphreak_46and2]

Both are correct for Tool titles, one is the album title, the other is the song title.

Ænima = Album
Ænema = Song


:thumb: thanks.....i needed that...but still...it confuses me...o well :confused:

[SonorKen]

Everything in this book is a lie, but it's exactly how things are is a killer book. Alot of it is open for personal belief. Some of it I felt was goofy but alot of it was really good. I don't know that I would recomend someone read it cus they are a Tool fan. If you are into personal growth and inner exporation, ways to open your mind and see what might be right in front of you it is a good place to start.

Other books like Awakening the Third Eye by Samuel Sagan are books I found extremely interesting. Holy Blood Holy Grail again deserves another mention.

[Reactor158]

what's behind the whole "Third Eye" concept? i remember reading something about the "pineal gland", but not much else.

[SonorKen]

what's behind the whole "Third Eye" concept? i remember reading something about the "pineal gland", but not much else.

I had posted this before in this thread, many many pages ago. This should clear it up......


I have researched Metaphysics for years. Hence one of the reasons I became such a huge Tool fan, they study Metaphysics as well. Alot of thier songs tie together. I'll give you a brief overview of some Metaphysical ideas and you can tie the songs together and probably get a better idea of what they are trying to convey through thier music.

Ok, to start all this off you have think about different dimensions and human evolution. We currently live in the 3rd dimenstion. While we live in this dimension our body has 44&2 chromosoms. Now, some believe that there are ways to move from our present dimension into the 4th. To do this one must study sacred geometry and understand how the basic universe was created. All things living are carbon based.

Sacred Geometry is a way to geometrically explain all things created and living. The flower of life is the basis for everything, as is carbon. The human body is surrounded by 3 star tetrahedrans. 2 of these are actively moving, the 3rd is stationary. To move from the 3rd to the 4th dimension several things need to happen theoretically. Firstly your body my evolve into having 46&2 chromosomes (Hence what the 46&2 Tool song is about). The theory is that to begin the transformation the Pineal Gland must be stimulated. The Pineal Gland is also called the "Third Eye" (Tool Song). Once this Pineal Gland is stimulated it theoretically creates a hormone which will cause the transformation of the human body. How a person activates the Pineal Gland is done through self meditation called Mantra (Tool Song). Ok, now. Lets imagine that we have stimulated our Pineal Gland and have evolved our bodies into having 46&2 Chromosomes. Now, through meditation we will begin to move the 3rd Star Tetrahedran. When this Tetrahedran moves along with the other 2 a "Merkaba" (Tool Song) is created. This Merkaba is basically a vehicle to move from one dimesnion to the next.

There are theories that people can move between the different dimensions. One of these people is Drunvalo Melchizedek. There is so much to research about him that I won't even go into him and will leave this for you to do. Be wary of bull**** web sites who claim to be this person as they are pretty much full of ****.

This is a very basic run down of some of the Metaphysical studies Tool is involved with. The great thing about Tool is how the music actually is the process for them to relate to these topics and the lyrics kind of guide a person along. In this one post I have clued you in on enough stuff that could literally take years to research.

[Doomed To Crumble]

The romours are that tool will be comeing out with a new record sometime in 2005, and the news on the dvd is that it will contain live footage from the lateralus tour.

If anybody else has anymore information about this, please post it!

[SonorKen]

I have heard the same stuff. In theory the DVD will be released this fall/winter and the CD next spring with a summer tour.

[Doomed To Crumble]

hell ya, a new cd and tour, my prayers have been answered

[Doomed To Crumble]

hey ive been thinking about getting into metaphysics, not just because tool is into it, but because its very interesting and could go somewhere. I am good when it comes to the sciences(biology,chemistry,and physics) but i am sh*t at math. Is math one of the main things that metaphysics revolves around.

[Merkaba]

^....lol... you dont want to get into metaphysics if you dont like sheer math bro. however, there are other parts that are worth it.

And so what if you did want to do it because tool did it. They got influenced too!

[Merkaba]

I had posted this before in this thread, many many pages ago. This should clear it up......


I have researched Metaphysics for years. Hence one of the reasons I became such a huge Tool fan, they study Metaphysics as well. Alot of thier songs tie together. I'll give you a brief overview of some Metaphysical ideas and you can tie the songs together and probably get a better idea of what they are trying to convey through thier music.

Ok, to start all this off you have think about different dimensions and human evolution. We currently live in the 3rd dimenstion. While we live in this dimension our body has 44&2 chromosoms. Now, some believe that there are ways to move from our present dimension into the 4th. To do this one must study sacred geometry and understand how the basic universe was created. All things living are carbon based.

Sacred Geometry is a way to geometrically explain all things created and living. The flower of life is the basis for everything, as is carbon. The human body is surrounded by 3 star tetrahedrans. 2 of these are actively moving, the 3rd is stationary. To move from the 3rd to the 4th dimension several things need to happen theoretically. Firstly your body my evolve into having 46&2 chromosomes (Hence what the 46&2 Tool song is about). The theory is that to begin the transformation the Pineal Gland must be stimulated. The Pineal Gland is also called the "Third Eye" (Tool Song). Once this Pineal Gland is stimulated it theoretically creates a hormone which will cause the transformation of the human body. How a person activates the Pineal Gland is done through self meditation called Mantra (Tool Song). Ok, now. Lets imagine that we have stimulated our Pineal Gland and have evolved our bodies into having 46&2 Chromosomes. Now, through meditation we will begin to move the 3rd Star Tetrahedran. When this Tetrahedran moves along with the other 2 a "Merkaba" (Tool Song) is created. This Merkaba is basically a vehicle to move from one dimesnion to the next.

There are theories that people can move between the different dimensions. One of these people is Drunvalo Melchizedek. There is so much to research about him that I won't even go into him and will leave this for you to do. Be wary of bull**** web sites who claim to be this person as they are pretty much full of ****.

This is a very basic run down of some of the Metaphysical studies Tool is involved with. The great thing about Tool is how the music actually is the process for them to relate to these topics and the lyrics kind of guide a person along. In this one post I have clued you in on enough stuff that could literally take years to research.
I'd like to make a few clarifications. the pineal gland is always stimulated. just not enough

mantra is a vocal vibration,often repeated. doing this alone will not necessarily activate a merkaba, or anything else. though it can have profound effects in regards to many things, since self produced vocal vibrations also vibrate 100% of the body(to various degrees, yes)

There is no prerequisite when it comes to activating your merkaba. i.e. chromosome count or pineal work.(though the latter will start to become automatic)

Its not a theory. I can move between dimensions..though it is way way way way way way way harder to do with the merkaba because its based on bascially perfect ego/non ego balance. perfect in the human sense because perfect is a human word. in this case attainable when , among other things, all fears are understood and abolished, and unconditional love is ascertained, along with other things like the readiness(no, not eagerness) to die. (which means you have no fear of death, thus, no restrictions on shifting dimensions) And the merkaba principals are also the ones used in the government's "Philadelphia Experiment" (though Im sure many of us know).

Many websites are shlt. However i was trained by one from the drunvalo lineage....who is pretty much accepted to be True. i had the courtesy of meeting him last year...and he has an aura that looks like a snow angel. very visiible. He is like a modern day Ghandi. His site is Drunvalo.net though he hasnt taught merkaba in quite some time.

I do the Merkaba every day. And i can also astral project. i have had two kundalini releases, untrained. which is un heard of in the western world. Usually one has to do specific kundalini training, otherwise you have to "think it up" . It is the snake from the bible. And it is like nothing else you will experience in the physical body.(yes im pulling my own chain) so much so that it can be potentially dangerous, and many say fatal. I am now Vegetarian when i used to love meat. its not a taste or judgement call...it was almost a vibrational shift. an energetic shift in what the body is and what you long to rebuild it with. you want to get closer and closer to your true source. which is "light". plant matter doesnt even need to be digested really. it just basically falls apart in your body like legos, where as meat rots. it is a million times less dense than meat, and is the first step down from light energy itself.

I better stop before I'm up all night.

[Merkaba]

and I disagree, SFK...how could tool call Hicks 'another dead hero' and love his work...
then call him a fool martyr (amongst other things) in the second track?
i agree the clearvision...to me it feels more about people who expect to be glorified in death...
but as i'm thinking about this I'm reassessing...
the continuation of clearvision's quote "not all martyrs see divinity"
is "but at least you tried"
so who this figure or figure-type is, is someone who still gets repect from tool...
maybe the **** thing IS about hicks...
i must read it with a fresh head...with clear vision (hehe cheap shot i know)
i'll get back to you..
arguments like this is why maynard doesnt shed a lot of light on his lyrics. it would take away from the meaning if he said oh its just about hicks... or yea, its about jesus and the like. its about the principals... the principals.

[Merkaba]

anyone know where i can find out more about bill hicks and some of his material??

and to dead ohio sky...i guess the reason we feel so angry is because we feel we have been abandoned by that person, whether or not their death was their fault...and i guess if the person feeling the anger believes in a god they could also feel frustration towards their god for having that person taken away from them...but i'm not so sure about that because i'm not religious...but there's what i reckon...

Plus its not like tool was gonna make a slow song about it.

[Merkaba]

Unrelated to my last post: I just found something that relates to A perfect circles second album, 13th step. It has been theorized that the 13th step is about addiction to drugs, and the different steps invovled, and by the 13th step they have chosen to stop their addiction ect ect.

This is most likeley a coincidence but, the 13th amendment of the constitution abolishes slavery. In this case, it could relate to abolishing the slavery over the persons life by drugs. Am I reaching here?

it is from the 12 step rehab programs ....when someone is coming to the meetings but not really wanting to..kinda like faking it, and or not really wanting to get better, or going because you are sentenced to go but not ready to be rehabilitated, ..it is considered "13 stepping". But in this case its about rehab in general.

Now go listen to the album again.

[Merkaba]

Really, as I said above, I find this one-upmanship about who's the most proper form of tool fan a bit pointless...
i know i'm a cranky old bitch, but i'm so sick of reading these debates...

SFK, is holy blood & the holy grail good? I'll have to check it out...
I just started one of the other books on the tool reading list, the wasp factory - its fiction by Iain Banks, quite good...only near the start but so far i'd recommend it to all toolheads..

SFK, or anyone for that matter, have you read the Da Vinci Code?
In yesty's paper there was an article that the publishers of holy blood are suing the publishers of Da Vinci code because of similar ideas.
I haven't read either so I can't comment, but be interested to hear your opinions...

Have you heard that they are making a Da Vinci Code movie? i think Harrison Ford was said to be up for ...hell, i cant remember his name. the main guy in the book. the one searching... hell , sue me.

[Reactor158]

originally posted byMerkaba-1
Have you heard that they are making a Da Vinci Code movie? i think Harrison Ford was said to be up for ...hell, i cant remember his name. the main guy in the book. the one searching... hell , sue me.

Sounds great. The book was really good.

[SonorKen]

I'd like to make a few clarifications. the pineal gland is always stimulated. just not enough

There is no prerequisite when it comes to activating your merkaba. i.e. chromosome count or pineal work.(though the latter will start to become automatic)


Yea, I realize the gland is always stimulated, it is not active would have been a better description.

I had always read that the only way to cycle the 3rd star tetrahedran was by activating the Pineal gland, which releases a hormone that changes your chromosomal count. I have also read that to transend into the 4th dimension that you must have a chromosomal make up of 46 and 2. Additionally I have read that people do transend the 3rd and 4th dimension quite frequently. I didn't want to write this here because most of the people here don't comprehend exactly what that is.

I would like to spend some time talkin with you. Shoot me your AIM name or give me a chat. My AIM name is SniffinLippy

[clearvision]

Why do you have to take the conversation to AIM. I find this stuff really intresting and it's at my level for understanding. I can search for metaphysics and stuff but i cna never find anything i can digest. It's not like anyone will flame you in here etc, i can't see why you wouldn't like to share information and opinons.

[SonorKen]

There is alot of stuff that can't be discussed in a public forum tho.....

[bebubly]

Ok…I have some ideas going about the song “h”…

Basically this is linked to the theory of h being about MJK’s son…i have just learnt about endothermic and exothermic reactions in chemistry…

I learnt that the energy stored in bonds is called enthalpy, for which the symbol is “h”…there is my first link between the two…aside from the letter h though, I feel that this links well because of the energy which MJK gives to his son and the new stance on life his son must give him…and I also believe that this song is very much about bonds, both between himself as a child and his parents/abuser, his past self and his current self and himself and his son…

Exothermic reactions release heat to the surroundings and in endothermic reactions heat is absorbed from the surroundings…I think that this relates to what MJK has had to take in through his life and what he is now having to give out…”my blood before me begs me open up my heart again”…

The energy changes are associated with making or breaking bonds…I feel that MJK is breaking the bonds with his past and making them with his son…changes in energy, emotions and thought processes are bound to be taking place…

Bond breaking is endothermic and so the change in enthalpy is positive…breaking the bonds between him and the bad parts of his past will create a positive future for both himself and his son…

Bond making is exothermic and releases energy…as MJK is releasing energy into his son…

A reaction is exothermic if a collection of weak bonds (his memories and past) are replaced by stronger ones (present and future with his son)…exothermic is the opposite…MJK is being held back by weak bonds…

Basically when I learnt this I immediately saw links between the song “h” and enthalpy (h)…the reaction, giving out and absorption of energy, the making and breaking of bonds, the positive and negative values and the replacement of weak by strong and vice versa seem to build on a reflect the already popular of this song being about MJK’s childhood and his son…


Any thoughts??

[Merkaba]

There is alot of stuff that can't be discussed in a public forum tho.....

Especially when the government has an interest, and can detect the merkaba via satellite. (if you think thats a long shot, its not, especially when they said there were going to dedicate a satellite to pick up on the sound of a spray can, in order to curb down on graffitti in california. this was on CNN a few years ago)

if you really want some reading on metaphysics. go here. Warning, it can be the definition of "heady"

http://rgrace.org/

[Reverend_Bob]

For those who have Salival, click Here (http://www.windowsmedia.com/mediaguide/albuminfo/?p_id=P++++23076&a_id=R+++508817&name=Tool)

Is there secrets on there that I missed? Or are they talking rubbish?

they didn't show one of the songs from the album...

they're missing "Maynard's Dick" which comes after LAMC.

with that said, i think bebubly...you're on to something. i remember learing about about the enthalpy and would never've made the connection until you pointed it out. now i'm going to have to analize this for a while.

[Reverend_Bob]

has anyone read up about the 46+2 theory?

i've been trying to find a good site to read up on it from but haven't yet.
hook a follower of enlightenment up..

[Paranoidd]

Merkaba, I'm very intrigued by the stuff you're talking about, but a little lost. Anything online you can direct me to for more info?

[SonorKen]

has anyone read up about the 46+2 theory?

i've been trying to find a good site to read up on it from but haven't yet.
hook a follower of enlightenment up..

Do some research in this very thread....

[bebubly]

hey...i spent quite a while writing what i wrote on the last page...and no one responded to it...anyone even care to read it?? please??

:upset:

[malignant5150]

yeah quite a few people have wrote about 46+2 theory thing so go back a few pages and look cuz some guy did it like 2 or 3 pages back

[deadohiosky9]

hey...i spent quite a while writing what i wrote on the last page...and no one responded to it...anyone even care to read it?? please??

:upset:

I read it! I thought it as a very interesting interpretation. Good job. I never would have thought of that. :thumb:

[Drum_and_Bass_Guy89]

There is alot of stuff that can't be discussed in a public forum tho.....

do you have msn i would like to talk to you about some of this "stuff"

btw my e-mail is metallica_ridethelightning1984@hotmail.com

[Merkaba]

hey...i spent quite a while writing what i wrote on the last page...and no one responded to it...anyone even care to read it?? please??

:upset:

That is a very interested interpretation. I have read interviews where maynard says that its about a near death experience he had...while on heroin...i dont know if the heroin part was said by him. But I've also personally heard him say in concerts something along the lines of " do you know what its like to have a devil on one shoulder and an angel on the other..." he says that before the song.

at the last Apc concert i heard him say after cracking a joke about something to do with an *** or something... "and this next song is a tribute to what we call anal sex " before going into thinking of you. WHich i thought was about just masturbation.

who knows...dont rack your brain too much over it. Like i said before. i read an interview where he states that he " goes to many websites and reads peoples interpretations of the songs..and that they are usually way off. but thats ok..because its what each individual takes with them thats important"

[Merkaba]

Merkaba, I'm very intrigued by the stuff you're talking about, but a little lost. Anything online you can direct me to for more info?

well spiritweb was one of the best sites on the planet. i mean it was like The site for basically anything related to spirituality. I'm almost saddened to think about it being gone. It was very important for my journey. And it was the first place i came across the merkaba. As soon as i read about it i knew that it was something i needed. Its funny that this is the way "spiritual" things tend to grab you. Its like you remember them, even though you've never known about them(at least in this "lifetime", when actually, we are remembering it through the veil that is covering the higher omniscient conciousness that is also us)

To tell you the truth...i dont visit any websites. And dont really know any that will give a big overview. Im sure you will find more with a google or yahoo search. especially since i dont really know what it is youre asking for. ascension2000.com is pretty ok...especially the menu on the lefthand side. Read the Ra material. its fabulous in my opinion, as well as the convergence series. The Ra "distortion" concept is very important in my opinion when trying to understanding what is true unconditional love, which is key to really getting anywhere in the merkaba or many spiritual paths. A distortion is basically the persepective of something being seperate. which is what will happen once the one conciousness "pretends" to divide to any degree. and the space between perspectives is infinite, shifting between any perspectives is ultimately energy, movement, or the potential there of. conciousness can manipulate this perspective changing, aka energy.

[blueeyedirishguitarguy]

I can't pronounce myself as i only started listening last month. I've really been trying to find out the meaning of Eulogy. This song seems their most contraversial as on the surface seems to be about jesus. However i believe it is about Martin Luther king. He is seen as a Martyr and apparently nailed something to a church. Which can tie into the lyrics. I make this opinion based on reading some of the threads ont hat toolshed site. If you want some real deep and complex ideas i suggest checking on there.

I love tool and I will post something in a bit...but I just wanted to point out that it was Martin Luther, not luther king, that nailed the doctorine to the catholic church door...he is what becomes of Lutheranism

[Reactor158]

This is off-topic, but where can I find Tool's recommended reading list?

[the2stranger]

on dannycarry.com

[The JoZ]

Or toolshed.down.net

[cburd]

has anyone pondered the thought that lateralus could simply be about getting high?

"Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition leaving all these opportunities behind..."

"With my feet upon the ground I lose myself
between the sounds and open wide to suck it in,
I feel it move across my skin...."

of course this song ,like most maynard written songs, are left for open interpretation. I remember seeing them at umass at when they did lateralus i thought my head was going to explode with the sprialling visual effects and maynard spinning on his stage while screaming "spiral out" at the conclusion of the song

[Doomed To Crumble]

Hey the thing with tool is that nobody has the wrong interpretations for the songs, just shadowed version of the truth. The feeling that we all get for tool is the same and that is what counts towrad bettering of the entity known as "TOOL". The more energy that we feed them the more we shall recieve. Eventually the band tool will be over but the overall presents and inspiration from it will never die.

[bebubly]

thanks for the replies...

i think that there could be a drug theme however i think it is more to do with your soul and spirit etc...(to cburd)

[The JoZ]

Alot of people seem to think Tool talk about drugs, but honestly, I don't think they do.

Maynard has often said that alot of fan's interpretations of their songs are wrong anyway...but he likes to see the free thought going on.

Meh. Just listen to it, and spiral out, keep going :thumb:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Am I the only one who hasnt made some cheesy lyric quote in their post at some point?

Quick question, how long did the Ænima tour last for? random question it seems, but all will become clear soon....

[clearvision]

Can someone give me a site that deals with the basics of this Metaphysics and light body stuff. Everything i find goes way over my head :upset:

[bebubly]

Am I the only one who hasnt made some cheesy lyric quote in their post at some point?

Quick question, how long did the Ænima tour last for? random question it seems, but all will become clear soon....

doesn't it say on the site??

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Doesnt go back that far. I was hoping someone who was a tool fan back then would know (i hadnt got onboard the music fad, let alone the tool train back then)

[Kingofdudes]

Picked up Aenima and Undertow yesterday :thumb:

Now I need Opiate, but maybe ill skip that one...

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Picked up Aenima and Undertow yesterday :thumb:

Now I need Opiate, but maybe ill skip that one...

OH NO YOU WONT! Its a cool album even though it doesn't really have Tool's current sound. Worth it just for Part of Me and Jerk Off

[ThirteenthStep]

Yeah, Opiate is an awesssssssssssssssssssssomely kick a.ss CD, though very different from their other, more recent CD's. The sound is much harder and alot more yelling, which just goes to show that Tool (specifically Maynard) can do whatever kind of music they want and it still sounds incredible. YOU MUST BUY IT KINGOFDUDES... They have 2 or 3 live recorded songs on it that are soooooooooo grood, part of me and jerk-off, I think theres one more. You may have heard of a song called Hush on their which was their first single. :wave: look at the man waving

[Kingofdudes]

Since it is their oldest CD, will it be hard to find?

[ThirteenthStep]

Not at all... I know Best Buy carries many, at least the one in my area, theres always that CD there, and plenty of copies, not to mention in Best Buy its only 10 bucks... Thats a steal for how fu.cking awesome that CD is.

[Kingofdudes]

perhaps next paycheck then...

[Merkaba]

OH NO YOU WONT! Its a cool album even though it doesn't really have Tool's current sound. Worth it just for Part of Me and Jerk Off
I like sweat

[SonorKen]

Since it is their oldest CD, will it be hard to find?

Nah, it should be fairly available. Salival can be bought off Ebay. Last I heard they were selling for 70 bucks or so a copy.

[Reactor158]

Opiate is awesome!!
I feel guilty though :( , cause I downloaded it instead of buying it.

Also, I just noticed there is an MJK reference in my math book. There's a logic puzzle, in which you have to figure out the hobbies and home cities of six peole. When the chart was solved, Maynard's hometoen was Ravenna, and his hobby was playing gutar. At first i thought, "oh cool, , Maynard." But, last night, i was reading the tool faq, and it says something about Maynard mentioning a small town in Ohio called Ravenna while he was at a concert in Ohio. Either that's an amazing coincidence, or someone really likes tool.

[Doomed To Crumble]

i dont know if anybody listens to Rage Agaist the machine but if can you should listen to KNOW YOUR ENEMY, because MAYNARD is in it and has a sick solo.

check it out!

[ThirteenthStep]

yeah, ratm is awesome....also "Revolution" by RATM has Maynard in it

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Most songs that Maynard has dueted/appeared on are awesome. Look at passenger by the Deftones for example (one of the ways I discovered Tool through that song)

[naut]

well, i downloaded Tool's video for Parabola the other day. i've watched it twice, call me uninsightful; but i just don't really get it. could someone help me decipher it a bit? i mean, what is that ball that kills the little green guy, and why does the ball mutate? why does the black dude cut him in half? what connection does the black guy have with the little creature? who are those guys at the beginning with the suits on? what is the progression of it, what is going on? i'm usually pretty good with Tool songs but this video has just confused me a bit. either that or i'm just a dumbass. so, any help?

[SonorKen]

Not sure how many people know this, In Green Jellos (Green Jellys) 3 Little Pigs (Carey on Drums) Maynard is the voice of the scared pigs. Its worth the download......

[Adam Jones is GOD]

well, i downloaded Tool's video for Parabola the other day. i've watched it twice, call me uninsightful; but i just don't really get it. could someone help me decipher it a bit? i mean, what is that ball that kills the little green guy, and why does the ball mutate? why does the black dude cut him in half? what connection does the black guy have with the little creature? who are those guys at the beginning with the suits on? what is the progression of it, what is going on? i'm usually pretty good with Tool songs but this video has just confused me a bit. either that or i'm just a dumbass. so, any help?

Adams videos are often complex, and although they are open to interpretation, its a tall order to find any definitive meaning.

Although I speculated that the suited guys at the beginning are some represenation of the music industry officials, and the cutting of the fruit the dissecting of anything good and with quality. And the throwing up onto the table could be to represent talking ****? I really do get baffled by them too

One friend I talked to wondered if the fruit was a Peach, and whether or not they had broke up due to record company pressures, and this portrayed it.

[nicksilver101]

I was never really into tool or a perfect cirlce, but then i heard they were pretty much the same band?? if so, I cant tell them apart barely, what makes them difference

[Adam Jones is GOD]

About 5 minutes in relevance to the songs.

Right, this question has been asked before, i've now got it down to a nutshell

Tool = darker, longer, more dramatic
APC = more radio friendly, 2x the reverb, more guitar

Actually, that kinda sucks, but you get the idea I hope


Oh, great article on toolband.com at the moment about heroic Justin

[Otherside]

About 5 minutes in relevance to the songs.

Right, this question has been asked before, i've now got it down to a nutshell

Tool = darker, longer, more dramatic
APC = more radio friendly, 2x the reverb, more guitar

Actually, that kinda sucks, but you get the idea I hope


Oh, great article on toolband.com at the moment about heroic Justin

Also, APC's lyrics have a different style, mostly due to Billy's influence.

[an_underused_memory]

or an alternative veiw to that, otherside is that tool lyrics are vastly different because of thew danny/adam/justin influences...
especially danny (seems that way to me anyway :) )
tool and apc aren't opposites, but in some ways i feel the ideals of them have a ying/yang relationship...
tool being inner exploration, more reflective and thought-out
apc being outer relationships, more spur of the moment, off-the-cuff...
but both have exceptions...the mood of 'hooker' or 'ticks n leeches' suits my description of APC,
whilst 'gravity' seems more like my tool description...
but generally i feel they fit those broad ideas.
to the casual listener tthe may actually seem the same, but perhaps i polarise them since i love them both too much for the 2 to ocupy a similar space in my mind
make sense?
no of course not, its my ranting!

[an_underused_memory]

or perhaps tool is more head/spirit based
whilst APC is more heart....

[ThirteenthStep]

Yesterday 10:12 PM
an_underused_memory or perhaps tool is more head/spirit based
whilst APC is more heart....

Thats a good idea...Makes sense once u think about it.. There are exceptions to that though, but still

[deadohiosky9]

I have a question for all of you. In the song H Maynard says: "My blood before me begs me open up my heart again." Doesn't that seem gramatically wrong to you? Like everytime I listen to it, I think it should be "my blood before me begs me to open up my heart again", like theres a word missing or someting. I feel there should be more in it. I don't think Tool wold make a mistake, so its done on purpose, but I wanna know what it is. Why its worded that way. Any thoughts?

[omgwtfboogie]

Probably because those lyrics seem to fit the music more.

Maynard claims he's a translator of TOOL's music. If he'd done it the more 'correct' way, it probably wouldn't sound right.

[headbang89]

where does it say God on the cover of lateralus??! ive looked for so long, and i cant see it!

[Lateralias]

where does it say God on the cover of lateralus??! ive looked for so long, and i cant see it!

In the brain on one of the last layers of the transparent anatomy man booklet.

[headbang89]

HOLY CRAP! thats awesome! i see it, and it sticks right out like a sore thumb. THanks man, thats so cool.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I love all the little hidden messages on Tool's albums. My favourite one still is "See you auntie!"

[deadohiosky9]

Probably because those lyrics seem to fit the music more.

Maynard claims he's a translator of TOOL's music. If he'd done it the more 'correct' way, it probably wouldn't sound right.

Nice point.

[ThirteenthStep]

along with the 69 tracks on Undertow

[x the patient x6]

I love all the little hidden messages on Tool's albums. My favourite one still is "See you auntie!"

i suppose i have a limited vocabulary (which is surprising to me), but i know that if you say "see you auntie&