Tool

[3074326]

Chris- Can you do anything in CEP, or is it just that file that's freaking out? If it's just the file, you could probably just save it as an mp3 and then finish doing it in CEP. I'm sure you've thought of this as it's fairly obvious, but I might as well point it out. :shrug:

Knifeboy- Stinkfist is still open..:D

The Lateralus file is extremely large.

When I record I have the actual Lateralus song up, as well as faith+1's drums. I do that to make sure everything is in time. I think there's just too much going at once, but it's just been randomly shutting down and not saving anything in the last couple days.

I've tried everything. It's time for a new program. Don't have time for ****. :)

Ah. So I'm guessing it's not gonna be too soon?.. aww, I'm able to record vocals tomorrow, but I can't do it without a guitar track to guide me

I have everything done except the very last part of the outro. There aren't any vocals over the part I don't have, but it sounds terrible. Some of the timing is off in some parts, but it should be enough to do vocals over. If not, I apologize. :upset:

Oh yeah, you guys need to keep the spam down. This is the Tool thread, not the open discussion thread. /warning

[ThePatient]

Listen to the actual song on headphones.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Yeah, since Marshall sync'd it up perfectly with the original, you might as well do that...

[Expresso]

Dr. Jake... What is the process for this... would you send me an already made guitar track to play along to, or would I record along to the song? Clue me in, happy to help.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Danny Carey was an integral part of Tool the last time I checked...

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Expresso- Yes. I'll link you in one second to the Stinkfist guitar track. :thumb:

In Chains- perhaps that wasn't what he was talking about. (clue: cunt)

Check this out, Expresso (http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/thelachrymologists_music.htm)

Right click-->save target as where it says mp3 next to Stinkfist and Ænema(needs solo..) You can play along to those. Ænema has MIDI drums, so that should make it easier for you, but Stinkfist is just the guitar track. Also, you may have to join soundclick to download, but hey, it'll be worth it. (unless you're already a member, then it shouldn't be a problem.)

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Okay, I'll stop using my favorite word. :upset:

[3074326]

Expresso- Yes. I'll link you in one second to the Stinkfist guitar track. :thumb:

In Chains- perhaps that wasn't what he was talking about. (clue: cunt)

Check this out, Expresso (http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/thelachrymologists_music.htm)

Right click-->save target as where it says mp3 next to Stinkfist and Ænema(needs solo..) You can play along to those. Ænema has MIDI drums, so that should make it easier for you, but Stinkfist is just the guitar track. Also, you may have to join soundclick to download, but hey, it'll be worth it. (unless you're already a member, then it shouldn't be a problem.)

Nice avatar.

[Knifeboy]

I have everything done except the very last part of the outro. There aren't any vocals over the part I don't have, but it sounds terrible. Some of the timing is off in some parts, but it should be enough to do vocals over. If not, I apologize. :upset:

Oh yeah, you guys need to keep the spam down. This is the Tool thread, not the open discussion thread. /warning

I would love it if you could upload what you already have.
And the reason that I don't just sing along to the song is that when I'm listening to the recording afterwards without the guitar, I still can't judge if my vocals are off

[ThePatient]

H. live:
http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=33PXQLZJQCEK41D2X3K98RACDJ

The Patient live.
http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=208ND631DP2IB0R39WG62J0O72

[Merkaba]

http://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=03W7VJ2XYADPF2S4DHG8TAPIQG

Yeah, some of the notes may be held on too long...
Yeah....way too long. Almost like you were trying to turn it into another song...however, I must say that if you had more control you seem to really have the same setup...larynx wise that maynard has that mid way between baritone and tenor. Would you happent to know if youre a tenor or not? You could probably sound just like that motherfvcker.


btw....is there a link to the aenima backing track? I'd like to give it a go.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/thelachrymologists_music.htm

All the complete stuff we have, labelled with what each needs

[Kurrpt]

anyone have an update for this cover thing for me?

[clearvision]

There may be a link on the lachrymologists soundclick page, but i don't know the addy...

I recorded the guitar part so i have it all on my computer... : \

I used to sing tenor parts when i was amde to go to choir /lame ... so i guess I'm probably a tenor...

I may be able to record later when my mum goes out *crosses fingers*

[Knifeboy]

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/thelachrymologists_music.htm

All the complete stuff we have, labelled with what each needs


That Lateralus track is the "wrong" one, with midi drums.

and it's a little bit faster than the original.. hm

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Its the only one I have on my PC though, I must have missed the updated one.

I do the uploading as Jake is still on dial up, so if he's had a request at an update, let me know if he doesnt.

[Knifeboy]

The other one just consists of faith playing the drums.. And nothing else.. Yet.. hehe

[barnz1986]

i didnt like their no quarter. they butchered up a good song.

[Otherside]

i didnt like their no quarter. they butchered up a good song.


Nah, Tool's version was better, most people will agree.

[clearvision]

ITT I'm a fool...

The reason my mic wouldn't work...was i had it in the line in slot + not the mic slot...

recordings coming up with good quality when my mum takes a trip out :)

[Lateralias]

i didnt like their no quarter. they butchered up a good song.

Wow I thought they took the original and completely gave it a new vibe.. much better than the original.

[Huber]

Wow I thought they took the original and completely gave it a new vibe.. much better than the original.

Me too, I like Tool's version better.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I thought that they took one of Led Zep's more mediocre songs and improved on it. (No Quarter)

[metalliman1066]

does anybody know any bands that are like tool?
thnx for any comments

[Lateralias]

does anybody know any bands that are like tool?
thnx for any comments

That is a difficult question.. it's been asked before but there aren't any straight sound-alike band's... your best bet would be to check out more progressive bands.. perhaps bands like Dredg, Opeth, Kyuss, and perhaps Pink Floyd.

[Knifeboy]

Add porcupine tree to that progressive bands list.. Although none of these bands sound like Tool. They contain some of the same elements that make Tool great

[Otherside]

If you took away the heaviness of Tool, I think you would be pretty much left with early day Radiohead. Maybe.

[Huber]

Rush is the only other Prog Rock band I like (or heard).

[clearvision]

You could try Peach, Justin's (bassist) old band...

Then there is A perfect cirlce, maynards side project, which often is compared to tool...

Then there is Chevelle, they are alot simpler than tool. Their singer reminds me of maynard slightly...

Coheed and Cambria are kind of progressive pop-punk, some of their riffs remind me of adams work...

[LedZeppFan83]

- I just started getting into Tool, but i really like their songs "Schism" and "Sober".

[ThePatient]

No one has mentioned King Crimson, THE prog band. :confused:

[Otherside]

No one has mentioned King Crimson, THE prog band. :confused:


Pffft

Pink Floyd is THE prog band.

[BlindWriting]

does anybody know any bands that are like tool?
thnx for any comments
Be sure to check out:
A Perfect Circle
Porcupine Tree
Dredg
King Crimson
Opeth
Chevelle
Radiohead

I think most of these were mentioned above already.

[Huber]

I'd say Pink Floyd has to many Psychadelic things going on to be considered the prog band.

[Otherside]

I'd say Pink Floyd has to many Psychadelic things going on to be considered the prog band.

Not really... they're first album was psychadelic, but once they lost Syd it wans't like that anymore. Animals, Meddle, Wish You Were Here, The Wall, none of those were psychadelic albums. DSotM is debatable.

[Huber]

Not really... they're first album was psychadelic, but once they lost Syd it wans't like that anymore. Animals, Meddle, Wish You Were Here, The Wall, none of those were psychadelic albums. DSotM is debatable.

Touché

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

So Ben, have you spliced the Ænema solo into Rob's track yet?

[clearvision]

???

I did it when you posted it, though my vocal track was there too...

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Oh ok. Heh, sorry, I never got around to DLing it. :-/ I'll do it now though.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I'd say Pink Floyd has to many Psychadelic things going on to be considered the prog band.

Wtf are you talking about? Psychedelic ambience is still ambience... a large element of progressive music.

[Expresso]

Nice avatar.
Thanks man, I searched long and hard for the best Danny pic I could find. Google was my friend. The full pic has this beam of light just illuminating Danny and his kit and everything else is in shadow... so cool.

Dr. Jake... Any chance of getting a bass track in there? Especially for the guitar silences in the breakdown part. Just a thought... I haven't tried playing to the current track so it might be fine.

[Moses]

Then there is Chevelle, they are alot simpler than tool. Their singer reminds me of maynard slightly...

I saw them live at Milwaukee's Summerfest a couple days ago, and they were halfway decent. The singer really tries for that Maynard sound with a little whining on the soft parts and some crunch on the screaming parts.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Well, just try playing along with it, and if you fall out of time in those spots, just go along with the original. :thumb: When do you think you'll have them done?

[Huber]

Wtf are you talking about? Psychedelic ambience is still ambience... a large element of progressive music.

The way people talk about it on these forums, it's like a genre of music. I meant it was not pure prog enough to be considered the prog band.

But then I was educated by Otherside.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

But Chris directed it at me in the first place! :upset:

prog has nothing to do with the actual sound or tone of a band. It is all about the song structure and complexity. You can have prog metal, prog jazz, prog anything. And saying that Pink Floyd isn't the definitive prog band because they are also a psychadelic band is inaccurate. Either way, there is no definitive prog band, and there never will be. Music is defined by the listeners ear, not by a single band.

Oh, and don't double post, Sliptallica. :thumb:

[Moses]

****, listening to my vocal track now really makes me sad..... :upset:

It sounds really bad to me now, I swear it sounded better when I first did it.

[Huber]

But Chris directed it at me in the first place! :upset:

prog has nothing to do with the actual sound or tone of a band. It is all about the song structure and complexity. You can have prog metal, prog jazz, prog anything. And saying that Pink Floyd isn't the definitive prog band because they are also a psychadelic band is inaccurate. Either way, there is no definitive prog band, and there never will be. Music is defined by the listeners ear, not by a single band.

Oh, and don't double post, Sliptallica. :thumb:

Yeah, I took care of it. I have to keep hiding this window because I'm at school.

[Idiot Martyr]

Ok I'm definetely tired of not being involved in this thread anymore. Update me if possible someone.

[Friik]

****, listening to my vocal track now really makes me sad..... :upset:

It sounds really bad to me now, I swear it sounded better when I first did it.


Sorry, didn't mean(sp?) to do that :upset: you're voice isn't that bad, but its not ment for singin maynard songs, when i first heard it i thought that it fitted more in something like a punk, hardcore or metal band. Sorry again for making you feel bad :upset:

[Expresso]

Well, just try playing along with it, and if you fall out of time in those spots, just go along with the original. :thumb: When do you think you'll have them done?

It really depends on when my buddy gets back with his mics, In a week or less i might have Stinkfist.

[3074326]

Knifeboy, do you have AIM or MSN?

[Knifeboy]

himynameisdanwaitnobutitisclose@hotmail.com <-- my msn. (/me doesn't need to write at hotmail dot com, because spambots can't pick up his long email address anyway :cool: )

[TerryThorne]

ok, It's my first time here and I'm just wondering: is it uncool to talk about the whole lateralus sequence in here?

[Idiot Martyr]

ok, It's my first time here and I'm just wondering: is it uncool to talk about the whole lateralus sequence in here?

Go for it, someone already spliced and uploaded it a while back though.

[TerryThorne]

is that upload still up?

[3074326]

himynameisdanwaitnobutitisclose@hotmail.com <-- my msn. (/me doesn't need to write at hotmail dot com, because spambots can't pick up his long email address anyway :cool: )

Added. I'll send you what I have done so far whenever we're on at the same time.

[Idiot Martyr]

is that upload still up?

I seriously doubt it. I think it was about 50-70 pages back.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Thorne- Are you talking about Aiden's sequence, or the cheesy ripoff one?

By all means, please talk about anything related to Tool. :thumb:

Knifeboy- :lol:@your msn

[Idiot Martyr]

Thorne- Are you talking about Aiden's sequence, or the cheesy ripoff one?

By all means, please talk about anything related to Tool. :thumb:

Knifeboy- :lol:@your msn

The cheesy rip-off being the not so holy gift thing that was posted a while back right? :lol:

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Yessir. The one that seperated D/R/T. I actaully had hope in it up until that point. :p

[Idiot Martyr]

Yessir. The one that seperated D/R/T. I actaully had hope in it up until that point. :p

It was a sad day for Tool fans.

[G_Mac07]

Yessir. The one that seperated D/R/T. I actaully had hope in it up until that point

You guys are talking about the Holy Gift right? well I can agree with you on the D/R/T seperation. However, The Lateralus Code (talked about here a while back) has it's moments and keeps L/D/R/T together. Just thought I'd mention it.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

The Lateralus code is the one that is spliced and such, right? Or are you talking about another alternate track listing?

[G_Mac07]

Yep, thats what I'm talking about. I went ahead and did it a while back, and here's how the final product looked on a screen. I must say that the intro turned out to be very cool.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/G_Mac07/CoolEditPro-TheLateralusCodeGregsWork.jpg

[Idiot Martyr]

Yep, thats what I'm talking about. I went ahead and did it a while back, and here's how the final product looked on a screen. I must say that the intro turned out to be very cool.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/G_Mac07/CoolEditPro-TheLateralusCodeGregsWork.jpg
So how did it sound?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I'd ask you to YSI the final product, Greg, but we're both on Dialup. :lol:

[G_Mac07]

So how did it sound?

It was ok I guess. I didn't have high expectations of it to begin with. A lot of it (particularly the second half) was just the songs playing through. The transitions between songs were ok, but not anything to get overly excited about. Don't expect and Pink Floyd type transitions. The layering of songs was the most impressive aspect of it all, especially the intro to The Patient with EBA and Mantra. Really it's just a different take on the album, and it's worth giving a listen just for a change.

Apparently similiar stuff can be done with Ænima, but I'm yet to try that.

EDIT: I will upload you The Patient from it in two weeks when I'm back at uni. If after that the final product is requested, it shall be delivered.

[BlindWriting]

Yessir. The one that seperated D/R/T. I actaully had hope in it up until that point. :p
No, I thought the famous Holy Gift did actually separate them.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Greg- Hopefully by the time you're back at uni, I'll be on DSL or something. :cool: Oh, and btw, my msn booted me off, so I didn't just take off on you. :)

About the Aenima deal..It only changes like 3 of the songs, doesn't it?

[G_Mac07]

Greg- Hopefully by the time you're back at uni, I'll be on DSL or something. :cool: Oh, and btw, my msn booted me off, so I didn't just take off on you. :)

About the Aenima deal..It only changes like 3 of the songs, doesn't it?

Haha, no big deal, I left anyway, the downloading of Cog live was making lag.

And I haven't looked at the Ænimea deal at all. I'm thinking I might play around with it tonight if I end up staying home.

[Mr Herb]

dudes of tool, please chek this out. My whole band played together for the first time and tis was good.

The my own summer cover has vocals on it, tell me what you think about the singer pls and the mega is jsut intrumental. . tell me what you think about my guitarist there.

the recording is poor at times but o well, remebr I played the bass!thx!


http://www.soundclick.com/bands/2/theherbals_music.htm

[Lateralias]

I honestly think all that "Holy Gift" stuff isn't real.. but it's interesting and fun to listen to.

[Huber]

I honestly think all that "Holy Gift" stuff isn't real.. but it's interesting and fun to listen to.

Agreed. Fun to listen to, but most of it seems a bit forced.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

It's fun to consider it though. It's really amazing stuff. :amaze:

[Mr Herb]

And heck it could be true. . .could be

[Idiot Martyr]

It's fun to consider it though. It's really amazing stuff. :amaze:

Yeah and it's not like we have anything better (Tool-related) to do.

[Reflection]

Yep, thats what I'm talking about. I went ahead and did it a while back, and here's how the final product looked on a screen. I must say that the intro turned out to be very cool.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/G_Mac07/CoolEditPro-TheLateralusCodeGregsWork.jpg


Hey could you link me to a site that tell you hwo to properly set that up? Or if you could post how to do it. Thanks.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

i didnt like their no quarter. they butchered up a good song.

123. Most Tool fans would say that the Tool version is better, but I disagree. You can hardly understand what Maynard is singing in the verses. The original is a classic, not a mediocre song.

[Mr Herb]

123. Most Tool fans would say that the Tool version is better, but I disagree. You can hardly understand what Maynard is singing in the verses. The original is a classic, not a mediocre song.


opinions opinions opinions my friend :chug:

[G_Mac07]

Agreed. Fun to listen to, but most of it seems a bit forced.

123.

Hey could you link me to a site that tell you hwo to properly set that up? Or if you could post how to do it. Thanks.

http://aiden.vzz.net/lateralus/index.html

[mygler]

http://s42.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3SRS4OHF83A561URND0SLD473K

Part one of the OK concert. :)

Its in DAT format, so I don't know if it will work for everyone. :-/


Can anyone please reupload part one :) please please

[barnz1986]

Nah, Tool's version was better, most people will agree.

no way. led zeps was way better than tools. in my opinion. but, i respec your judgment. i will no way influence you to like led zeps way of no quarter, than tools. but led zeps is better. :)

[clearvision]

Maynards voice is so distant in the tool version, it gives it a really ethreal sp? atmosphere. Also the whispering in the verses creeps me out quite a bit. PLus im not much of a zep fan...

[G_Mac07]

Would anyone here be able to help me with some amps settings for Disposition on Bass? I rarely get to use my bass and I really want to be able to play it (with it sounding decent). Please note I also have a lack of effect and no Whammy.

[Mr Herb]

Would anyone here be able to help me with some amps settings for Disposition on Bass? I rarely get to use my bass and I really want to be able to play it (with it sounding decent). Please note I also have a lack of effect and no Whammy.


I also ahve trouble getting the correct sound but I dunno play around with the controls on the amp and your tone and **** til you get something right. Also make sure you have the right tuning!

[Moses]

Sorry, didn't mean(sp?) to do that :upset: you're voice isn't that bad, but its not ment for singin maynard songs, when i first heard it i thought that it fitted more in something like a punk, hardcore or metal band. Sorry again for making you feel bad :upset:
No, you didn't make me feel bad at all. I just relistened to it and realized how bad of a job I did. I would be able to do alot better and that's what I was disappointed by.

[Mr Herb]

No, you didn't make me feel bad at all. I just relistened to it and realized how bad of a job I did. I would be able to do alot better and that's what I was disappointed by.
Will you re record it?

[Moses]

If I have time by the deadline which might happen.

I won't rerecord everything though, just the crappy parts.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

If I have time by the deadline which might happen.

I won't rerecord everything though, just the crappy parts.

Deadline? I dont think we'll be working towards any deadline at this rate

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Maynards voice is so distant in the tool version, it gives it a really ethreal sp? atmosphere. Also the whispering in the verses creeps me out quite a bit.

He also takes away the great melody that you can hear Plant sing perfectly in the original. If anything, the Zeppelin version has the creepier singing in the verses. By the way, I DO like the Tool version, it's just not that great IMO.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

The Zeppelin version is not nearly as haunting nor as dark/heavy. It seems too light for a song that should be more haunting IMO. Maybe it drags on a little too much in Tool's version, but I like it more.

[Idiot Martyr]

Maynards voice is so distant in the tool version, it gives it a really ethreal sp? atmosphere. Also the whispering in the verses creeps me out quite a bit. PLus im not much of a zep fan...

I love when Maynard sings through the megaphone for some reason.

[Moses]

Deadline? I dont think we'll be working towards any deadline at this rate
It's August 1st I believe.

[clearvision]

Yeah Maynard + megaphone = awsome

NP : Bjork - where is the line ... Lmao it features Rahzel beatboxing, he is so funny.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Rahzel's a **** good rapper.

[Huber]

Isn't Rahzel the guy from SSX?

Yeah, I know little to nothing about rap/hip-hop.

Edit: Or just that guy...

[Knifeboy]

Rahzel is from the roots? I think.. I saw him with Mike Patton.. Crazy ****

[Mr Herb]

Mike Patton is wild. Id like to see him hook up with tool for a song or even better a tour

[Knifeboy]

Tomahawk opened for Tool a couple of times didn't they?.. So I guess that would've been the chance for it to happen

[clearvision]

Hmm Paton was best with FNM...

Knifeboy, which Drdge album first?

[Rothmans]

Tomahawk opened for Tool a couple of times didn't they?.. So I guess that would've been the chance for it to happen

Fantomas did. I dont know about tomohawk though.

[Moses]

Fantomas did. I dont know about tomohawk though.
Beat me to it.

[Knifeboy]

Knifeboy, which Drdge album first?

Depends.. Leitmotif (their first) is really raw.. (Bad description, I know.. Hehe).. El Cielo is one of the most pleasant cd's I've ever heard, both production wise, and songwriting..
And their new Catch Without Arms is really energetic.


Go download, symbol song (leitmotif), sanzen (el cielo), and ode to the sun (catch) and see wich one you prefer.. then get that album..


And about Tomahawk, I seem to remember reading an article about tomahawk pissing tool fans off.. Because that was the whole reason Tomahawk was created.. To annoy fans of other bands when warming up for them

[Mr Herb]

Fantomas tomahwk. cool.

there should be a metal live 8 or some **** like that. . .thatd rock. .

[clearvision]

Sanzen sold me completeley, thanks :)

EDIT: Herbtones, a metal live 8 wouldn't work. The idea of live 8 was to get people to be aware of G8 etc. If it was a metal thing, how much coverage would it get. The reaction of audioslave, muse, velvet revolver and even linkin park were pretty poor. Imagine if metal bands played, poor reaction, no coverage, therefore the event would fail.

Plus there are enough metal festivals about...Roskilde, Ozzfest, Download etc etc etc

[Mr Herb]

hmmm But if all the famous metal bands united, even if that ha to include slipknot well thatd create some attention dude. And the cocnerts woudnt be as big as the live 8, not so many venues.

But your prob right. . .the average dude dsnt like metal a lot

[clearvision]

The concert wouldn't be big atall, check out how much coverage download got in england this year... 2 1hr specials on C4 showing mainly Garbage etc...and a little bit of coverage on kerrang, again showing mainly the singles that bands played..slipknots duality etc

[Knifeboy]

Sanzen sold me completeley, thanks :)


Good boy!.. That's my favorite Dredg song.. Hehehe

[clearvision]

The rest of the album bedder live up to this!

[Mr Herb]

The concert wouldn't be big atall, check out how much coverage download got in england this year... 2 1hr specials on C4 showing mainly Garbage etc...and a little bit of coverage on kerrang, again showing mainly the singles that bands played..slipknots duality etc
Thats a shame really. . .

I know id enjoy it if they did such a concert. . .and came to puerto rico :p

[clearvision]

You would enjoy it, I would enjoy it...90% of the world wouldn't.

[Mr Herb]

hmm true. But the world is pretty screwed up. 40 ppl die in britain. . .wich is tragic and bam there is this mayor news coverage everywere and everyones like wow! while in Africa a kid dies every 3 . 5 seconds and we pay atention to it only when the 20 biggest radio whores line up to sing together! and heck its only cause of them cause if it were some random metal ban playing for the relief no one would go like we discussed here clear vision

what a world we live in huh!

btw maynard shoulve been o live 8 with tool or apc singing a cover from emotive or some tool cover from some peace song. . . :(

[clearvision]

And everyone would be like who is the bald twat with the good voice?

TBH I was at london's live 8, and there was me cheering for slash, and people around me were like wtf?

People do care about africa, though it often slips peoples minds. People dying in london is what? 20 miles from my house? My mum could have been on a train etc, it's a helluva lot closer to home for most people. Plus the fact it interrupted the G8 summi,t the worlds most notorious terrorist organisation have claimed responsability for the attacks etc....

Is why there is coverage everywhere...

And with africa, it's mainly the dictators that screw up the country, people are trying ot help the situation and stuff. With the london blasts it is a shock and it couldn't have been anticipated or prevented really.

[Lateralias]

Now I could've swore this was the Tool thread yesterday :p

I really need to check out Mike Patton related work.. I've heard a good amount of Faith No More and I like some of it, but none of Tomahawk or Fantomas. Both did tour with Tool though.

[Idiot Martyr]

Now I could've swore this was the Tool thread yesterday :p

I really need to check out Mike Patton related work.. I've heard a good amount of Faith No More and I like some of it, but none of Tomahawk or Fantomas. Both did tour with Tool though.

Tool who?

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I don't like Faith No More. I think Mr. Bungle is the SH!T though. Check out Mr. Bungle's California, It's one of my favorite albums.

[Lateralias]

I don't like Faith No More. I think Mr. Bungle is the SH!T though. Check out Mr. Bungle's California, It's one of my favorite albums.

Is Mr. Bungle a nu-metal type band? In comparison to Faith No More.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

http://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=242JSEDJ5O2HS2X2CWLMKL7JHO
Isis - Celestial

This is some good sludge metal. I realize that a lot of Tool fans in here are metalheads too...this is good stuff.

[Mr Herb]

And everyone would be like who is the bald twat with the good voice?

TBH I was at london's live 8, and there was me cheering for slash, and people around me were like wtf?

People do care about africa, though it often slips peoples minds. People dying in london is what? 20 miles from my house? My mum could have been on a train etc, it's a helluva lot closer to home for most people. Plus the fact it interrupted the G8 summi,t the worlds most notorious terrorist organisation have claimed responsability for the attacks etc....

Is why there is coverage everywhere...

And with africa, it's mainly the dictators that screw up the country, people are trying ot help the situation and stuff. With the london blasts it is a shock and it couldn't have been anticipated or prevented really.

lol bald twat.


Your right I guess but if ppl erre educated correectly about were the biggest troubles really are then thered be more awarness and that would help some how.

We need to get educated! and the internet is the place to do it :cool:

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Is Mr. Bungle a nu-metal type band? In comparison to Faith No More.

You'll have to listen to them to classify them. I think of them as indie-prog, but I really don't know. They can be heavy at times and cartoonish at times. But they're listenable, unlike the Fantomas IMO. Here listen to this:

http://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3QZ5W2WHR7BLK2NH2SP1G042MB
Mr. Bungle - Ars Moriendi

[Knifeboy]

http://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=242JSEDJ5O2HS2X2CWLMKL7JHO
Isis - Celestial

This is some good sludge metal. I realize that a lot of Tool fans in here are metalheads too...this is good stuff.

These guys are good.. I saw a few songs by them live last week.. it was very good.. I walked early though, because I wanted to listen to a band I knew the music of beforehand instead

[Lateralias]

Yes Isis are an awesome band, very atmospheric. Reminds me of Sigur Ros in a heavier way.

Thanks for the upload In Chains, I like this song... it's... strange, and interesting! But good so far.

[Daven]

i only know that messhuggah opened for tool in some concerts

[Lateralias]

i only know that messhuggah opened for tool in some concerts
Yes they toured with Tool on the Lateralus tour, hence the next album being heavier with their Meshuggah influence.

[Daven]

yeah, a friend told me that the new album will be heavier by mesuggah's influence. im just praying for it to be amazing and it will

[Dude3]

Guys. go check the Pit. Some guy just made a thread on Tool, asking if the Salival comes with a little blotter of acid.

[Daven]

oh yeah he posted about he buying the salival cd and finding small square that people claims to be acid

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Anybody check out Tool's website today?

"TOOL

Across the vast gulfs of cyberspace it tumbled, one of several dozens just like it on any given day, arriving in my mailbox on July 6th at precisely 11:55 PM.

SUBJECT: QUESTION

“I know that you probably get this all the time but is Tool coming out with a new CD some time?..”

YES … but for various reasons the album is being recorded in relative secrecy… I would say even more so than past recording sessions and related TOOL projects. Since this is the band’s decision and, ultimately, they are the ones in charge of the website (as well as being some of my closest friends), I am not going to betray their trust (although I can’t resist hiding a few things amid seemingly unrelated posts), even though I am painfully… painfully... painfully aware that there are some Tool enthusiasts out there who seem to need this info, not unlike some junkies need a heroin fix. That said, when members of the band and/or their manager decide to release certain details pertaining to the recording process ••• – •• – – • – – , as well as any projected time-tables, etc., it will most certainly be posted on the band’s official website. To think otherwise is, quite frankly, absurd! This could be tomorrow, or two days from now, or in a couple of weeks or even a month from now. At this stage, I honestly don’t know. But what I do know is that the members of the band are working hard and, as the saying goes, there is light at the end of the tunnel. I hope this answers your question."

Do you really think he's been dropping hints of the new album in his otherwise meaningless updates? Anyone wanna' go search for them? And what the hell is that symbol thing with the dots and lines?

[TheSubtleArts]

thats cool, i hope this means it will at least have a release date soon.

[Dude3]

Do you really think he's been dropping hints of the new album in his otherwise meaningless updates? Anyone wanna' go search for them? And what the hell is that symbol thing with the dots and lines?
A hint?

Actually, it may be Morse Code!?!?!?!?!?!? :confused:
Hmmmmm.........

[Daven]

i really dont care how much it takes to the album to come out. I just want it to be their best album and that all the effort they're doing has a reward by the tons of fans that they have......

[G_Mac07]

Actually, it may be Morse Code!?!?!?!?!?!?

It's not. I checked and got "stittett" :confused:

[Mr Herb]

blair blair blair. . .



I get a feeling will be learning some dates soon

[Dude3]

blair blair blair. . .



I get a feeling will be learning some dates soon
I can feel the updates coming. I don't know why, call me crazy, but I just think they are coming very soon.

They should make a commercial, where it just shows a silent black screen, and slowly fades "Tool" onto the screen. That would be so awesome.

[BlindWriting]

It's not. I checked and got "stittett" :confused:
I got stimem.

/Just as confused.

[BlindWriting]

They should have make a commercial, where it just shows a silent black screen, and slowly fades "Tool" onto the screen. That would be so awesome.
Man, I would crap my pants right then and there.

[Dude3]

But whatever the code spells out, could be a clue to something else.


/I wish/

[G_Mac07]

I got stimem.

/Just as confused.

That was the other option I got. However, the site I looked at stated that a space indicated a new letter. -- would be an "m", but - - (like it is in the update) equals "tt".

See my reasoning?

[Mr Herb]

its gotta mean something. or probably nothing.Blair i just messing around like he always does

[Dude3]

I googled those words. Stimem got some very interesting and noteworthy results.

Stimem = Stimulated Emission
http://tinypic.com/6tnw5l.jpg

Go google it for yourself. There are hundreds of results, that I don't feel like looking at.

By the way, Stimulated Emission makes me think of "Out of Body Experiences", and other weird things that Tool would take interest in.

[LP|Stang]

Oh my goodness! Tool rocks my *******! WHOA!

Stittet! The new album name! Oh my GOD! Tool is like, so enlightening!

[LP|Stang]

I googled those words. Stimem got some very interesting and noteworthy results.

Stimem = Stimulated Emission
http://tinypic.com/6tnw5l.jpg

Go google it for yourself. There are hundreds of results, that I don't feel like looking at.

By the way, Stimulated Emission makes me think of "Out of Body Experiences", and other weird things that Tool would take interest in.

It's a band, not a science project.

[Dude3]

It's a band, not a science project.
I see you haven't experieced the acid trip, known as "Tool".

[LP|Stang]

They're my favorite band actually. However, that's all they are.

[TerryThorne]

we all know that, but I think it's quite understandable that some people get a little carried away with them.

[Mr Herb]

Oh my goodness! Tool rocks my *******! WHOA!

Stittet! The new album name! Oh my GOD! Tool is like, so enlightening!
does the lp in yer name stand for linkin park. . . ?




hope it dsnt

[Dude3]

They're my favorite band actually. However, that's all they are.
Well, they are very intelligent people. Maybe this "Stimem" has something to do with their new album. I'm not goinjg to de-code this crap or anything, but its very likely to be true.

Look at Lateralus.

[TerryThorne]

I'm not a big math fan so I end up not getting most of Tool's little secrets (primarily in Lateralus)

[LP|Stang]

What about it? It's excellent music, I listen to it on a regular basis. Lots of odd time signatures, interesting lyrics/subject content.

However, I don't see Blair being so obvious with morse code.

Hell, he probably gets a kick out of everyone rushing to "decipher" it.

[Mr Herb]

blair has talked a lot about area 51 and ****.. perhaps the new stuff maybe sci fi related?

[Endless Obsession]

Does anyone know what riff from The Grudge was ripped off from Shine on You Crazy Diamond?

[Lateralias]

blair has talked a lot about area 51 and ****.. perhaps the new stuff maybe sci fi related?

He's talked about that for some time.. so has Danny.

[LP|Stang]

does the lp in yer name stand for linkin park. . . ?

Is it normal for you to jump to idiotic conclusions?

What if it did stand for Linkin Park? Should I leave the Tool thread?

[Mr Herb]

He's talked about that for some time.. so has Danny.hmmm or maybe its just crap like that whole lachrymology thing at the begining

[LP|Stang]

Blair talks about a lot of pointless ****. I can't remember the last time I went to Toolband.com.

[Lateralias]

Does anyone know what riff from The Grudge was ripped off from Shine on You Crazy Diamond?

And where did you here that? Please elaborate if possible. :)

[Mr Herb]

Is it normal for you to jump to idiotic conclusions?

What if it did stand for Linkin Park? Should I leave the Tool thread?



Is it idiotic that i assume that the letters LP stand for linkin park? the usual lp fan uses them like that.


If you want to. i dont mind your pressence

[Endless Obsession]

And where did you here that? Please elaborate if possible. :)

In the obvious influences thread someone mentioned that a riff from The Grudge was directly ripped from SOYCD.

[BlindWriting]

A lot of the regulars haven't been around at all lately.
Where's The Joz? Kage? Adam Jones Is God?

[Mr Herb]

A lot of the regulars haven't been around at all lately.
Where's The Joz? Kage? Adam Jones Is God?
Word up! but erm they talk to much about the covers.

Right now theyd enlighten us bigtime with the riff thingy

[LP|Stang]

I've never heard of this rip. You'd think a band wouldn't be careless enough to rip a Tool riff and think to get away with it.

[Lateralias]

A lot of the regulars haven't been around at all lately.
Where's The Joz? Kage? Adam Jones Is God?

Well I know Joz left because of a noob invasion on threads ( :confused: )

AJiG was posting yesterday I think... as for Kage.. dunno.

and about The Grudge - SOYCD riffage thing.. I don't know which part Jake could be speaking of... hmm...

[Mr Herb]

I've never heard of this rip. You'd think a band wouldn't be careless enough to rip a Tool riff and think to get away with it.
Its the other way around, tool ripped a riff of someone :thumb:

[LP|Stang]

My mistake. I'm still thinking it's not true.

[Mr Herb]

:lol: :lol: why not?

[Lateralias]

I'm still thinking it's not true.

Yeah sounds kinda false.. I'm not finding it.

[Mr Herb]

lol lets wait till a regular passes by and enlightens us



Justin needs help at the polls!

[LP|Stang]

If it was true, we'd all have heard about it by now.

[Mr Herb]

I had haerd about it before. . . depends really on how much time you spend stalking tool. Some say they also took a riff from rush. . . wich aint really bad cause rush is teh ****

[matt4]

Okay, so I think it really seems like the "morse code" on the tool site says stittett. "Stittet" appears a lot on Norwegian websites, but I can't find it in any translator. The closest I can find is this:

"Sti" translates from Norwegian to English as: "path, stye, track"
"Tett" translates as:"airtight, bushy, closely, crass, dense, fixed, hermetic, solid, thick, thickset, tight, tighten, tightly"

"Fixed Path" is the best translation I can come up with for "Stittett". Maybe I'm way off. Maybe I'm retarded. It was still fun. :thumb:

Even if it does mean "fixed path", figuring out what that freak blair really means is impossible. He gets on my nerves so bad sometimes. :angry:

[Futuro]

havnet been on MX in 6 days, someone fill me in, any news with covers?

[Mr Herb]

chek a few pages back cause i havnt been paying attetion and the other involved in the covers ahvnt been around that much

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Yes Isis are an awesome band, very atmospheric. Reminds me of Sigur Ros in a heavier way.

Agreed. I have heard them be classified as ambient metal and as sludge metal. They're definitely both. I like that they put so much emphasis on atmosphere and slow repetition. Very well-put-together music.

Thanks for the upload In Chains, I like this song... it's... strange, and interesting! But good so far.

Yup, definitely strange. And you're welcome... I'm glad it has become a trend to share music on here. :)

[Idiot Martyr]

Okay, so I think it really seems like the "morse code" on the tool site says stittett. "Stittet" appears a lot on Norwegian websites, but I can't find it in any translator. The closest I can find is this:

"Sti" translates from Norwegian to English as: "path, stye, track"
"Tett" translates as:"airtight, bushy, closely, crass, dense, fixed, hermetic, solid, thick, thickset, tight, tighten, tightly"

"Fixed Path" is the best translation I can come up with for "Stittett". Maybe I'm way off. Maybe I'm retarded. It was still fun. :thumb:

Even if it does mean "fixed path", figuring out what that freak blair really means is impossible. He gets on my nerves so bad sometimes. :angry:

Yeah Blair is totally annoying at times.

[Huber]

Fixed Track? Track Fixed?

Something to do with the new record?

[TerryThorne]

sorry to break the conversation but I have a question that's really bugging me. In reflection from Lateralus, it is suggested that one should crucify the ego. This intrigues me because why would someone destroy one of the chakra's? My only guess is that he is talking about the idea of the ego as a sense of self-worth, and that you shouldn't let yourself be distracted by that because just being alive is worth.

[Mr Herb]

its disposition actually not reflection and what he means by that I assume is that we should destroy the bad ego. . the one that drives us to do unworthy things. But perhaps not the whole ego.:)


but dude assume watever you want out of it, you could be as right or wrong as anyone. . . only maynard knows :thumb:

[Futuro]

its disposition actually not reflection nope its reflection, in disposition he just says "watch the weather change"

[Otherside]

its disposition actually not reflection and what he means by that I assume is that we should destroy the bad ego. . the one that drives us to do unworthy things. But perhaps not the whole ego.:)


but dude assume watever you want out of it, you could be as right or wrong as anyone. . . only maynard knows :thumb:

Um... those lyrics are from Reflection. The Disposition ones are: Mention something to me; Watch the weather change.

[Mr Herb]

LOL true true. . .its 2 am sorry . . .dam :(


mention something mention anything . . great song

[Futuro]

i bought 13th step yesterday, it is alot better than mer de noms so far, i really like the package, but i havent listened to the whole cd yet

[Lateralias]

So crucify the ego before it's far too late
To leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical
And you will come to find that we are all one mind
Just let the light touch you and let the words spill thorough
Just let them pass right through, bringing out our hope and reason.


I love this part of Reflection.. a very strong ending lyrically for the song.

[G_Mac07]

And where did you here that? Please elaborate if possible. :)

Jake knows about it. I'm sure he'll elaborate when he sees this.

EDIT: I was a page behind and didn't realise

[jamesclelland]

I love this part of Reflection.. a very strong ending lyrically for the song.

the guitar right after that is also very powerful, gives me goosebumbs, even playing it trying not to screw it up

[Futuro]

i think half of what makes "Reflection" so bad azz, is that repeating tribal tom pounding he does through the song, its very simple, but the note placement and the sound of his drums makes the song that much better for me.

on another note,
every one should "E-kickmyass" for not liking A perfect circle till' recently. Just got done with the cd 13th step, and am very glad to have boughten it. I like most of the songs alot, but one fault i have found in them, is that they're songs are too dam short :angry:

[Huber]

I'd E-kickyourass, but I used to dislike APC also.

[centrum]

If it is really morse code on the website. Which I would be inclined to think it is. It's hard telling what it is because it could be divided up to make a few different words. And I have actually been thinking that Blair has been giving hints about the album here and there for awhile. If I can find a particular one I will link it.

[clearvision]

Ermm there was the one what hinted to a mini tour with Isis, but that was months ago and still we have no werd.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Still, nice that Blair finally made an official statement admitting he knows f-all.

Im getting more excited now, I know of very few bands who have performed the recording/writing process in such secrecy. Although I also agree with Blair's drug addiction link.

[clearvision]

He does know stuff, but is under contract not to say...

...that's what ig ot from that update.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Im betting all he knows is how songs sound, and he's already tried to explain that a bit. I doubt he'll have ideas of deadlines/release dates or any information that would be useful.

Still, its good he keeps us in the specially designed outsider loop.

[clearvision]

Meh i hate bieng manipulated lol. In other news, I just listened to El Cielo by dredg, it was fantastic.

[mygler]

Can anyone repost the Ok show part one please

[clearvision]

I would, but my internet is so slow...part one is 700mb. Which would take about 8 hours.

[the_Leperakorn]

whats this about Blairs drug addiction link? I cant seem to find it. Or is it another crazy Tool in joke?

[clearvision]

He says something along the lines of....some tool fans need tool news like a junkie craves heroin...the significance of which i don't understand...but shh!

[Knifeboy]

Meh i hate bieng manipulated lol. In other news, I just listened to El Cielo by dredg, it was fantastic.

:D I just got my copy of El Cielo back from a friend yesterday.. So that's what I've been listening to today too

[LP|Stang]

Blair is fine, just a dick.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Blair is fine, just a dick.

And water would be dry, if it wasnt so wet

[Lateralias]

I can sense some info coming soon, whether we here it from Blair or not. Seems like we should know about the dates soon.

[LP|Stang]

And water would be dry, if it wasnt so wet

I'm so enlightened.

[Esoteric_Creator]

I've noticed that alot of people are try to associate TooL and devil whorship, and I have something to say about that.

Here's the thing. You have to be christian to believe in the devil, and non-christian is both Maynard and Danny (whom both willfully admit.)

Danny himself is a self-proclaimed esoteric student (or student of the occults) and Maynard is an independant thinker (the best way I can sum it up). It's not that either of them do not believe in God, but rather, not in the Christian God (point in case Maynards' lyrics in "Judith" by APC were he states, "**** your God!").

I can voutch for this being a student of the esoteric myself. It's not that I'm a devil whorshiper, or that I hate Jesus. It's that I believe that the Christian God is a creature that was created by men to keep the mindless masses in line. Jesus was a wonderful man who had knowledge in things that I think to this day people don't grasp. He wasn't preaching, but rather informing of the world around us.

Therefore the message of Tool themselves of "Think for Yourself. Question Authority."

I believe that what I have stated, the guys (maynard, danny, adam, and the other) would agree with me.

~daniel

[Huber]

Nice first post. However, you'll find that most of us knew that and are already on your side.

Outstanding first post though. We get some good members with good first posts in here, don't we?

[Moses]

Because Tool fans are usually more intelligent.


NP:Mr. Bungle, Goodbye Sober Day.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I think its because this thread is googled a bit, and people will actually read a fair bit of the early discussions.

Least he didnt quote the first post, as most tend to do. This was an intelligent comment

[Kurrpt]

my new band as of yesterday ruled out ALL covers of TOoL songs :upset:

ima try to work in an APC song :thumb:

[Magicaltroll]

" ••• – •• – – • – –"
Is that morse code or something?

Its from the update...

[Huber]

I think it is. I haven't tried to decipher it though.

[Lateralias]

" ••• – •• – – • – –"
Is that morse code or something?

Its from the update...

It spells stitem.. which means "fixed path" or something close. Wow we are desperate aren't we haha.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Im really betting that he put that up as a joke, to see who could read deepest into it

Maybe there's a prize for the most implausible?

[Lateralias]

Im really betting that he put that up as a joke, to see who could read deepest into it

Maybe there's a prize for the most implausible?

Yeah he's just messing with our heads again most likely...

[LP|Stang]

It'll all be a big joke until the release of the album.

[Daven]

I can sense some info coming soon, whether we here it from Blair or not. Seems like we should know about the dates soon.


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[TerryThorne]

Like obsessive fans are on a fixed path to solve the riddle only to find it has nothing to do with the album

[Adam Jones is GOD]

The obsessive fan boys will rush off and look for 100 different meanings.

The rest of us will joke about plausible outcomes, and sit back in our chairs, on day 921 of waiting for the new album line

[Daven]

:lol: a lot will do that

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Does anyone know what riff from The Grudge was ripped off from Shine on You Crazy Diamond?

I've never heard/noticed that before. However, not sure if this has been brought up before, but does anyone besides me hear a similarity in the main rhythm of The Grudge (Wear the grudge like a crown of negativity) and the opening rhythm to the Rush song Yyz? Yyz is in 5/4 timing through most, and The Grudge is in 5/8 and 5/4. There's even that triangle thing or whatever that Peart hits to start Yyz, and something similar in The Grudge for about 2 bars or so. I'm not saying the rhythm is exact, but I think it's similar. However, I've never heard anything about SOYCD being an influence to the song. Maybe I'll go listen to The Grudge again and see if I notice anything.

And about the morse code thingy. Maybe it's just a rhythm to a new Tool song. This also has to do with Yyz. This is taken from songfacts.com:

"YYZ is the transmitter code for Toronto's Lester B. Pearson International Airport. Every airport is assigned a unique 3 letter code, and that code is always being transmitted so that pilots can tell, roughly, where they are and verify that their navigational radios are tuned properly. These codes are also written on your luggage tags when you fly. The intro to the song is Morse code for 'YYZ.'"

If what is on Tool's website is morse code, than maybe they are using that as part of one of their songs. Understand what I'm saying?

...Or I could be wrong :D

[Knifeboy]

"Over-thinking, over-analyzing, seperates the body from the mind"

It's kind of ironic that this is a line from the song that led to the most extreme over-analysing of an album I've ever witnessed

[Adam Jones is GOD]

"Over-thinking, over-analyzing, seperates the body from the mind"

It's kind of ironic that this is a line from the song that led to the most extreme over-analysing of an album I've ever witnessed

But thats a positive line IMO.

But I will admit, not even Pink Floyd albums come close to how much Lateralus has been analysed. But not many albums leave as much to discussion as it did.

[Knifeboy]

The mind being seperated from the body is a bad thing.. I'm pretty sure.
Over-thinking and over-analyzing are negative words.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I always found that, from a band that promotes the idea that the soul is immortal, and that the human stage is merely a small step, and that enlightenment is a goal, that this would be a good thing .

But yeah, from the negative words, I imagine thats the impression most would get

[Knifeboy]

Good point.. Good point.. I still doubt Tool promotes over-analyzation of things though. Heheh

[Lateralias]

I never find overanalyzing things as bad really. Analyzing is positive.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

When you start analyzing, it can easily lead to speculation though, which can be a bad thing.

Its healthy to read between the lines in any sense, especially with the media in this day and age

[Dude3]

I never find overanalyzing things as bad really. Analyzing is positive.
Just remember to apply a respectable portion of lubricant.

[Daven]

its good to analyze, but its not good when it becomes speculation (as said by adam jones is god)

[Knifeboy]

I never find overanalyzing things as bad really. Analyzing is positive.

Over analyzation begins as soon as you read too deeply into things, and get meanings from something, that's got nothing to do with it at all.
Analyzing is fine, overanalyzing can only be harmfull, in my opinion

[Lateralias]

Yeah that is true, speculation usually is a bad thing. I think AJiG you said it right with this though:

Its healthy to read between the lines in any sense, especially with the media in this day and age

[Daven]

yeah, you cant really know what people is trying to say, that's when you need to analyze

[Esoteric_Creator]

I know that interpretations for these songs have been made already, but I've been itching to get my views on these songs.
If I go over an already thought of interpretation, I'm sorry, but it's freaking impossible reading through this entire thread now lol ****..

Eulogy

First off, I think this song has alot to do with a teacher either the band (or just Maynard) had, that taught them in a way that helped open their third eye. Then somehow, the teacher went through a metaphorical death, and Maynard is reflecting on his life and feelings of him.

He had alot to say. He had alot of nothing to say. We'll miss him.

As with all teachers, they have volumes to cram into you. As a student though, and having the thought process of thinking for yourself and questioning authority, you have to filter the information for yourself and take what you need. Hence, "He had alot of nothing to say." And with any teacher, their thoughts stick with you forming a bond..."We'll miss him."

So long. We wish you well. You told us how you weren't afraid to die. Well then, so long. Don't cry. Or feel too down. Not all martyrs see divinity. But at least you tried.

Then comes the metaphoric death of the teacher. And Maynard expresses his condolences..."So long. We wish you well." And in my thinking, since the guy was something of a spiritual teacher, in their minds, death would be just another step to further learning and therefore nothing to be scared of..."You told us how you weren't afraid to die. Well then, so long." So apparently, this teacher went through a metaphoric death because of his beliefs which is why they call him a martyr. Looking at the lyrics it seems the teacher had a metaphoric death seeing that the reason he's crying and feeling down is because he didn't reach his thought of divinity, and dying inside. Again, Maynard gives his condolences, "But at least you tried."

Standing above the crowd he had a voice that was strong and loud. We'll miss him. Ranting and pointing his finger at everything but his heart. We'll miss him.

Again, the beliefs the teacher had made him proud, but with all of his ranting and pointing trying to get his thoughts across he denied his ownself further learning which is represented by his own heart. And Maynard gives his condolences.

No way to recall what it was that you had said to me, Like I care at all. So loud. You sure could yell. You took a stand on every little thing and so loud.

I think that this part of the song is where Maynards' feelings towards the death get to him. It's like any death that occurs to someone you know. First you remorse, then you accept, and then you get mad for that person being dead and questioning their very being. And this is no acception. Emotion masks thought, and Maynards' too angry with the teacher to recall his teachings, and eventually not caring. Remembering only how loud the teacher was and how he took a stand on every little thing.

Standing above the crowd, he had a voice so strong and loud and I swallowed his façade cuz I'm so eager to identify with someone above the ground, someone who seemed to feel the same, someone prepared to lead the way, with someone who would die for me. Will you? Will you now? Would you die for me? Don't you ****in' lie. Don't you step out of line. Don't you ****in lie. You've claimed all this time that you would die for me. Why then are you so surprised to hear your own eulogy?

The anger is gaining weight. Whenever you first put trust into someone enough to listen to them, and learn from them...to only have that person "die" on you, you question why you trusted them in the first place. You trusted them because they thought like you, then they "die" and you ask yourself in the end, "Weren't you willing to die for me? Weren't you willing to stick with me to the end?" Then once you look back, they lied to you and didn't take the long haul, they stepped out of line. That teacher made a promise to stay to the end no matter how intense the lesson, and when divinity wasn't reached for that person, they shouldn't be surprised to "die".

You had alot to say. You had alot of nothing to say. Come down. Get off your ****in cross. We need the ****in space to nail the next fool martyr. To ascend you must die. You must be crucified for your sins and your lies. Goodbye...

Now, knowing that Maynard sees the religious aspects of the cruxifiction as an insult to free learning, and then to have that teacher give in and "die" just because their thoughts of divinity wasn't reached he asks the teacher to get off the cross, or rather stop pitting yourself and get over it. And leave the space for the next teacher to come along and cruxify themselves. Because you can never be a teacher, just a student, and anyone who sees themselves as a teacher cuts themselves off from free thought.
"To ascend you must die." Again, death is just another step to a higher learning. "You must be crucified for your sins and your lies." In this, I think Maynard is really refering to actual punishment by cruxifiction for their downfall as a self proclaimed teacher.
And finally, Maynard says his goodbye's.


Well, this is my take. Tell me what you think.

Prying open my thrid eye,
~daniel

[Daven]

hey, my name is also Daniel

[Lateralias]

That was a nice second post, welcome to the forums :) .

I think Eulogy is an often dissected and analyzed Tool song, everyone wants to know who in the heck Maynard is speaking this song about. But esoteric put it well as teachers in general, maybe Bill Hicks was this teacher to them? There are endless interpretations.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Good to see a user bringing back the song interpretations.

(and someone older than me :eek: )

[Esoteric_Creator]

I think its because this thread is googled a bit, and people will actually read a fair bit of the early discussions.

Least he didnt quote the first post, as most tend to do. This was an intelligent comment


Thanks guys (Sliptallica, letmypeopleho) for the compliments. And my bad about it already being mentioned, the thread has gotten freakin' huge lol

Here's to more posts.

Prying open my third eye,
~daniel

[Huber]

Good to see a user bringing back the song interpretations.

(and someone older than me :eek: )

Agreed. I love interpreting songs, and reading others' interperetations.

[One Groovin Clown]

There are endless interpretations.


you can almost say that about any Tool song. Wasn't it Maynard's intention to let his songs have different meanings to different people? I almost leave it to that, but knowing what the song means to Maynard is neat none the less.

[Daven]

maybe bill hicks taught them something or they considered him a teacher

[Moses]

I agree with your analyzation of Eulogy more than anyone else's but you forgot one thing that I think may have been important.
Why then are you so surprised to hear your own eulogy

I think he's telling the mentor right there that he wasn't as good as he thought he was and attacking the teachers ego.

[Daven]

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[Huber]

Wow, now that I've read that, that's pretty cool. I've never heard it interperated that way. Though, I still think the song is about Ron L. Hubbard.

[Lateralias]

you can almost say that about any Tool song. Wasn't it Maynard's intention to let his songs have different meanings to different people? I almost leave it to that, but knowing what the song means to Maynard is neat none the less.

As true as this is and as much as the band stresses to find their own meanings through their songs, I think people enjoy finding the reason that Tool created the song in the first place, I'll admit it is fun and very interesting. It also reveals another side to the band to find these things out for me.

[Esoteric_Creator]

hey, my name is also Daniel

lol Sweet

And soon us minions are to take over the world! So prepare, o' earth, to bring forth your women! :p

Prying open my third eye,
~daniel

[Esoteric_Creator]

Good to see a user bringing back the song interpretations.

(and someone older than me :eek: )


Gah! I'm older than you? lol

I'm a youngin' at a mere 22. There's still much to learn

~daniel

[Otherside]

Oh shiz, double post.

Might want to merge those too before your banned for "spamming"

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Oh shiz, double post.

Might want to merge those too before your banned for "spamming"

if you're quoting 2 people, its allowable IMO.

I do it all the time, when im lazy

[Esoteric_Creator]

I agree with your analyzation of Eulogy more than anyone else's but you forgot one thing that I think may have been important.
Why then are you so surprised to hear your own eulogy

I think he's telling the mentor right there that he wasn't as good as he thought he was and attacking the teachers ego.

You know, I never thought of it in that light, and it makes total sense with my original interpretation. A take a bow to you, sir. Much kudos.

But that does add a bit of the anger to the song that I was talking about, as well as adding to Maynard pointing out the fact of the mentor limiting themselves by self-proclaiming themselves as a teacher. Interesting..

~daniel

[Otherside]

if you're quoting 2 people, its allowable IMO.

I do it all the time, when im lazy

I agree, but the mods latley have been really pushing the "no double-post" policy. Regs like Fast Fingers and Cain were banned for double posting just once.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I agree, but the mods latley have been really pushing the "no double-post" policy. Regs like Fast Fingers and Cain were banned for double posting just once.

Wow. Thats pretty harsh for the R&M mods.

(seems more like a subtlefagger thing)

[Esoteric_Creator]

Oh, sh*t..

I'm sorry then. I don't have a freaking clue how to merge the posts, though. I'll make sure to type extremely slow from now on lol

No offense to any Mods.

~daniel

[Otherside]

Wow. Thats pretty harsh for the R&M mods.

(seems more like a subtlefagger thing)

They were just once day bans, but still pretty harsh.

And Esoteric, just click edit in the lower right hand corner of your post, copy from the other post, paste into that one, then go back to the post you copied from, hit edit, click the delete this thread cirlce, then the delete this thread button.

Don't worry about fixing it now, but just watch out in the future.