Tool

[Det_Nosnip]

Did you not read his other post?



lol

my guitarist was sayin somethin about it's the difference in chickens... i am not 100% for sure, i am just relying on what he told me. He got it off some FAQ site... i am thinkin the down.toolshed one. not too sure, so don't quote me. ^_^

Honestly, I don't care if I hear it from Maynard's mouth, the song is not about ****ing CHICKENS!! :lol:

Come on...think for a moment.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Nope, this one

WAIT!! I'm a MORON!!!!

i think that whole chicken thing.. uhm yeah. i guess it is true, but that's now what it's about... >_<

(Pertaining to the whole Water theme of the Undertow Album, the idea is more behind the contraction of water from 0-4 degrees celsius.)

sorry for any stupidity... Owch.

Typos aside (Now should have been not I believe) he admits his mistake

[sliver]

I love Tool own all the albumns, but I hate the fans. For the most part they are all elitest ****bags who think they live on a higher realm than the rest of us because they have figured out the meaning of 46 and 2. And for some reason they have got into their heads that 6/8 timming is so much harder and complex to play in than 4/4.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I like tool, I hate the fans because they are all elitest ****bags who think they live on a higher realm than the rest of us because they figured out the meaning of 46 and 2. Good work!!!

Compared to Slipknot fans we are a breath of fresh air



*does not believe that having knowledge of tool puts me on 'another level'

[SonorKen]

(Im assuming you're on ghost mode, is that a 307... mistake?)

Nah, Im always in Ghost mode!!!

[sliver]

Compared to Slipknot fans we are a breath of fresh air



*does not believe that having knowledge of tool puts me on 'another level'

I know, but a lot of people are like "OMG I ONLY LISTEN TO MUSIC THAT HAS DEEPER MEANING IN IT, LIKE TOOL LOL!!!."

:naughty:

[SonorKen]

I know, but a lot of people are like "OMG I ONLY LISTEN TO MUSIC THAT HAS DEEPER MEANING IN IT, LIKE TOOL LOL!!!."

:naughty:

Well, those people are idiots.......

[sliver]

so is anyone else sick of Maynard putting APC on priority and Tool in the gutter :upset:

[Paranoidd]

Especially since they spend half their day disputing what the actual meaning of the song is.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Yeah, but the APC reign is coming to an end, and Tool is once again the main issue


Well, once this cover/remix mess up is over

[Lateralias]

so is anyone else sick of Maynard putting APC on priority and Tool in the gutter :upset:

Well I wouldnt necessarily say Tool are in the gutter, Tool has gotten alot of fans lately, or at least more people are finding out about them, and they're also working on their new album as we speak.

[sliver]

Yeah, but the APC reign is coming to an end, and Tool is once again the main issue


Well, once this cover/remix mess up is over

I wonder how that CD will turn out :confused: the covers they chose are definately ... interesting.

I heard some rumours about a new Tool CD comming out soon though, I wonder if Adam has played around with his guitar tone at all.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I think justin will have done more experimenting this time round than Adam, but im sure he will have created a lot of interssting sounds too.

New Tool CD = Early next year

And the cover of Imagine is one that I will look forward to

[Paranoidd]

The band has been writing the music for the album. When Maynard is done wanking with APC he'll lay down the vox.

[malignant5150]

but the dumb population of teenage youth dont listen to this and enjoy the music more that the lyrics
so your saying all teenagers are dumb?

[malignant5150]

Well as long as his spiritual postion is never the back of the stage, then im fine with whatever way he faces. Ill take note of his drumset postion in live footage when I see it now




(Im assuming you're on ghost mode, is that a 307... mistake?)
whats ghost mode???....... anyways does any 1 know where i can see some live footage of tool cuz id like to see it.
id appreciate it :)

[Adam Jones is GOD]

http://www.musictelevisionsucks.net/search.php

Search for Tool

And ghost mode is a mod superpower. it allows them to contact the dead


I think a mod needs to set up the first page to include some of these FAQ answers, as although I dont mind, i've seen requests for live Tool footage and album release dates sooo many times now

[an_underused_memory]

I don't mind tool fans who haven't heard much of the band yet
I don't mind tool fans who have taken an interest in discussing and analysing the music

I do mind any tool fan who thinks they are superior to the others, either because they have had the time and money to buy more albums, or because they have worked out the 'true' spiritual/musical meaning behind every second note on the albums.

All the messages that start "I love tool, but i hate because..."
just start to get redunadant
There are no fandom rules, black and white [I]aren't all I see: there's a million shades of grey, since we all think for ourselves eventually. i hope we do....
:)
I think an FAQ on the frint page would be mucho handy! I'm impressed at your self control to answer the same questions so many times!!
Be patient (i must keep reminding myself of this, too)

[deadohiosky9]

Ok, I've just read the last 3 pages. What is going on with all this fan talk? we are attacking other tool fans, and criticising them and everything. My god people, this is a TOOL thread. PLease lets try to focus on the band and their music, and forget about the fans. this is not aobut us. and we shouldn't attack each other either. we are all here united to talk about tool. so please no more posts on, i hate these kinds of tool fans, and tool fans shud do this, and i hate it when tool fans do this. thats not what this thread is about. so lets get back on subject. thank u.

[an_underused_memory]

frint page?? redunadant??
**** typos!

I rethink my remark
I mind anyone who thinks they're superior to others, tool fan or not..
Ideally, the power of knowledge should be humbling, rather than intoxicating

[an_underused_memory]

i totally agree, deadohiosky, totally agree!

to get some balls rolling...
has anyone else tried to reorder the tracks of lateralus, like in that 'holy gift' theory that was floating around?
I tried last night, i've yet to finish removing silences and whatnot, but it sounds cool.
Certainly not a holy gift, but it nice to go back over the old songs, see them in a new light...
its like going into a room you've known for years and moving all the furniture around...maybe its worse off, but the change is fresh.

[deadohiosky9]

i totally agree, deadohiosky, totally agree!

to get some balls rolling...
has anyone else tried to reorder the tracks of lateralus, like in that 'holy gift' theory that was floating around?
I tried last night, i've yet to finish removing silences and whatnot, but it sounds cool.
Certainly not a holy gift, but it nice to go back over the old songs, see them in a new light...
its like going into a room you've known for years and moving all the furniture around...maybe its worse off, but the change is fresh.

I haven't tried that yet. I don't know how to go about doing it. I guess I should just makea playlist in that order. ya that should work. I'm also going to try to listen to it late at night. Maybe something special will happen. Who knows

[feelsoinvincible]

do you know the order, or do i have to figure it out myself?

[Nate22]

Okay, I'm trying to get more into Tool. Can anybody reccomend me some good songs by them? I've got Schism and Sober, but what else is there?

[deadohiosky9]

Okay, I'm trying to get more into Tool. Can anybody reccomend me some good songs by them? I've got Schism and Sober, but what else is there?

Stinkfist, Eulogy, H., Hooker With A P.enis , Third Eye, Lateralus, Aenima, Ticks and Leeches, The Grudge, The Patient, Jimmy, Pus.hit, Parabol, Parabola, Reflection. THose are all good. Every Tool song is good in my opinion. But those are some suggesitons for you.

[Nate22]

Sweet, thanks man.

[deadohiosky9]

No Problem.

[Det_Nosnip]

http://www.musictelevisionsucks.net/search.php

Search for Tool

And ghost mode is a mod superpower. it allows them to contact the dead


I think a mod needs to set up the first page to include some of these FAQ answers, as although I dont mind, i've seen requests for live Tool footage and album release dates sooo many times now

:lol: I already have most of those videos from kazaa, but I wish I would've known about it before. Sweet.

[Toolious<mopez>]

malignant5150 wrote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toolious<mopez>
but the dumb population of teenage youth dont listen to this and enjoy the music more that the lyrics

so your saying all teenagers are dumb?

////////////////////////////////////

im not saying that all teenagers are dumb, but there is a POPULATION of them that are, ie: mtv wankers

now realising what i said i have sorta taken a stereotypical approach
although i havent re read it and not that sure what i said haha

[an_underused_memory]

The order of the 'holy gift' (i really dislike that title!) is:
Parabol, Parabola, Schism, Ticks and Leeches, Mantra, Lateralus, Faaip de Oiad, Grudge, Triad, Eon Blue Apocalypse, Reflection, Patient, Disposition

A playlist may not work, becuase the songs need to almost overlap for it to sound correct, and most comps have a second of silence in between...
http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/question/insight7.html for more info

I don't think its as amazing as that guy makes it out to be, but its still a fun exercise...

[Toolious<mopez>]

tool didnt write the doom 3 theme, OMG i been listening to it constantly haha oh well

[Toolious<mopez>]

The order of the 'holy gift' (i really dislike that title!)

I don't think its as amazing as that guy makes it out to be, but its still a fun exercise...

i agree i thought it was stupid, the way he expressed how every beat matched between song pfft and matra is spose to be choking therefore it must go after tick and leeches?? i dont even think it sounds like choking

[Toolious<mopez>]

Ok, I've just read the last 3 pages. What is going on with all this fan talk? we are attacking other tool fans, and criticising them and everything. My god people, this is a TOOL thread. PLease lets try to focus on the band and their music, and forget about the fans. this is not aobut us. and we shouldn't attack each other either. we are all here united to talk about tool. so please no more posts on, i hate these kinds of tool fans, and tool fans shud do this, and i hate it when tool fans do this. thats not what this thread is about. so lets get back on subject. thank u.

i wasn't taking the piss, or didnt intend to **no pun intended** :D

but i was just saying how i dislike a fan of any music who dislike other people who arn't as wise and great they are... i mean music was made in the first place to either join people together * sing alongs *
or maybe it was made for catholic churchs, because writers back in the day of medievil or before that (unsure) were paid to write a song each week for sunday mass... either way its music and like most sports you get knowledge snobs who think they can tell people that there lame because they arnt as wise... why not share that knowledge or influence the uninfluenced so they can enjoy it, if they want to...

NOTE: hate is such a strong word, i prefer dislike :D

[Adam Jones is GOD]

i agree i thought it was stupid, the way he expressed how every beat matched between song pfft and matra is spose to be choking therefore it must go after tick and leeches?? i dont even think it sounds like choking

The track is Maynard holding his cat in a certain way until it made a starnge choking like noise. They recorded it, slowed it down and manipulated the sound.
Thats probably what he was referring to

[Toolious<mopez>]

The track is Maynard holding his cat in a certain way until it made a starnge choking like noise.
Thats probably what he was referring to
umm what the f.uck sorta **** is that to do, just for a track...
i mean it sounds cool and is pretty cool stoned, but still enless there was no harm to the cat, it's a pretty shi.tty thing to do..

and btw how do you know so much :D

[Toolious<mopez>]

about my comments on apc being sell outs for the reason of band member changes, i also realised today that there was a significant time difference between there albums, with lateralus and all....

so for what someone said about other projects it sounds very plausable..

[joe_bass]

about my comments on apc being sell outs for the reason of band member changes

They didn't choose to make the change.

[deadohiosky9]

i wasn't taking the piss, or didnt intend to **no pun intended** :D

but i was just saying how i dislike a fan of any music who dislike other people who arn't as wise and great they are... i mean music was made in the first place to either join people together * sing alongs *
or maybe it was made for catholic churchs, because writers back in the day of medievil or before that (unsure) were paid to write a song each week for sunday mass... either way its music and like most sports you get knowledge snobs who think they can tell people that there lame because they arnt as wise... why not share that knowledge or influence the uninfluenced so they can enjoy it, if they want to...

NOTE: hate is such a strong word, i prefer dislike :D

I got u. Yes hate is a strong word. Dislike is much better.

[deadohiosky9]

umm what the f.uck sorta **** is that to do, just for a track...
i mean it sounds cool and is pretty cool stoned, but still enless there was no harm to the cat, it's a pretty shi.tty thing to do..

and btw how do you know so much :D

Hvae you read the Tool FAQ at Toolshed? Lots of this kind of info is there. All the stuff that Adam Jones Is God knows, and lots of other Tool fans know is in that FAQ. Also random facts gathered over time. If you haven't read the FAQ, i strongly recommend it.

[Det_Nosnip]

umm what the f.uck sorta **** is that to do, just for a track...
i mean it sounds cool and is pretty cool stoned, but still enless there was no harm to the cat, it's a pretty shi.tty thing to do..

and btw how do you know so much :D

I doubt he hurt it, if that really is what the sound is.

Tool are (mostly) normal people, just like you and me, and they're not going to be torturing animals just to get a desired sound effect.

BTW, has anyone seen that video that they play live for the song, 46 & 2? I'm assuming that it's supposed to represent growth/evolution, but what the hell is with the naked people in the tank at the end? :lol:

[an_underused_memory]

I can't remember the live footage for 46 +2 cause, alas, last time i saw it was 3 years ago...last time they were here..
and the time before that, bout 6months earlier, they had no fx/video except a few projections, i think it was a warm up....
There's a great new topic that no one's really talked about in here, do any of you have any theories/comments/thoughts about the tool videos?? live or released?
I have no idea about the people in the tank though..

side note: in an interview with New Zealand press a few years ago, maynard talked about the possibilties of tool making a feature-length work one day, either a movie with storyline, a an art work extended video type thing..
it'd be interesting....but knowing the band's notorious slow release schedule i won't hold my breath...quality of quantity, i always say!

[CanadianToolBassist]

Ok, im a first time threader and a long time Tool lover. I'm interested (psyched is a better word) in the upcoming 2005 Tool album release. As most of you know, it is going to be composed of what Tool has said to be "harder and more edgy material". Although I'm a big fan of ealier Tool work like Undertow and Opiate, will they still be able to give the same amount of thought provoking messages in their songs like Lateralus? I would love it if they still worked on songs like Reflection and Disposition. I'm asking you guys what you think the new album will be like and if you think it will be just as thought oriented as everything else.

[Lateralias]

Ok, im a first time threader and a long time Tool lover. I'm interested (psyched is a better word) in the upcoming 2005 Tool album release. As most of you know, it is going to be composed of what Tool has said to be "harder and more edgy material". Although I'm a big fan of ealier Tool work like Undertow and Opiate, will they still be able to give the same amount of thought provoking messages in their songs like Lateralus? I would love it if they still worked on songs like Reflection and Disposition. I'm asking you guys what you think the new album will be like and if you think it will be just as thought oriented as everything else.

I think it will be sorta like a mix of Aenima and Lateralus, I've got my hopes up either way, I have my hopes up that Tool will blow us away with the next album.

[CanadianToolBassist]

Oh and while I'm here, ive been having trouble finding the salival cd(i know its a limited edition cd) but id like to find it and purchase it so help in that part would be great.


p.s. http://www.clz.let.uu.nl/0227382/avatars/avatars.html - best tool avatars(only few ones work on mx though, sorry)

[an_underused_memory]

d'oh!
i mean quality NOT quantity

[CanadianToolBassist]

I have a question or should i say, survey. This is related to the question answer thing started by ToolOwnsYou quite a while ago. Now we all have our fav. tool song and such, but what would be your favorite tool song according to the message YOU think it is delivering? (mine would be Disgustipated, which shows that like does in fact feed on life and that is a basic as it can get)

[CanadianToolBassist]

I have a question or should i say, survey. This is related to the question answer thing started by ToolOwnsYou quite a while ago. Now we all have our fav. tool song and such, but what would be your favorite tool song according to the message YOU think it is delivering? (mine would be Disgustipated, which shows that like does in fact feed on life and that is a basic as it can get)

wow i have bad keyboard skills

[Drum_and_Bass_Guy89]

Yo my nigs tool is xool and my fav song from there is probably H. how bout urs gahaha

[CanadianToolBassist]

i love jimmy for the song but not as much for the message (at all)

[cbiggz05]

I have a question or should i say, survey. This is related to the question answer thing started by ToolOwnsYou quite a while ago. Now we all have our fav. tool song and such, but what would be your favorite tool song according to the message YOU think it is delivering? (mine would be Disgustipated, which shows that like does in fact feed on life and that is a basic as it can get)

either Aenima or eulogy

[deadohiosky9]

oo thats tough. I'd have to say Pu****. Emotional song. And I like the lyrics a lot. I just love how they capture the emotion so well.

[maynardjamesreznor]

Guys its tool.....it will be awesome. Every album has outdone its predecessor(spelt wrong i think) so why wouldnt this one.

[maynardjamesreznor]

Best tool song to me is Parabol/Parabola, its a masterpiece

[BlinDecsent]

o man just one song... The first I ever heard was Eulogy and in alot of ways it's still the best. Or Lateralus.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

There's a great new topic that no one's really talked about in here, do any of you have any theories/comments/thoughts about the tool videos??


I did a mini review/thoughts post on the stinkfist video a while back in the thread


For whoever wondered why I know so much, its the FAQ like was mentioned that I got most of my knowledge from, then other bits from interviews, but it takes a while listening/reading Tool interviews before being able to sort the truth out from the placed misinformation.

If you want information on individual members though, like their former bands, or technical set ups, etc:

Danny - Try his website, its fasinating, has some great vidoes of his best drum beats, and a lot of other cool information. He also has a featured artist article in the Drum/percussion forum, and most people there (stagefrightken for one) know a lot about him

Justin - Read his biographies on most of the tool sites. People in the bass forum know a good deal too about his effects and techniques

Adam - Toolband.com has information about his life, which isn't really something I decide to probe into much, but if you want pictures of his holiday in Cuba (there's a cool one of a former SAM site shaped as a pentagram) and to learn more of his spiritual side, go there. But for the important information, like his set up, type of guitar, etc talk to 3074326 in particular, plus other people in the guitar forum will know more than me. There is link to his rig, but I can't find it at the moment.

MJK - If you are looking for information on this man, go to every tool site. If you are searching anywhere else, dont believe all you hear.




Wow, tht was pointless to do. But if anyone here does have a question that cant be answered here (v.doubtful, there are some intelligent people here) thats where to go

[an_underused_memory]

Hey sorry man, I do actually remember your stinkfist video post, I'd forgotten!

but still, its the only one in memory!
anyone with salival may have some ideas, but i confess i rarely watch the videos....
does anyone have the DVD version of salival?
and if so, have you listened to the 5.1 surround mixes?
i am yet to hear them but i'd be interested to know if its better/worse/indifferent...


to add to the last post, toolshed has great interview transcripts, they're well worth reading!
and all the drummers out there, check out danny's site, as a-j-is-god mentioned, the videos are well worth it, and i was interested to read his philosophies, it apparent that he is as much a part of the tool 'philosophy' as the lyricist....

[MetallicaRULZ192]

tool ****ing rules

[Atreyu346]

Lateralus is a song withg a great beggining and end, thats what it is all about.

[deadohiosky9]

Alright this is reallly random and off subject, but adam Jones is God, what kind of guitar do u have?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

At the moment, its a crappy Fender Squire, the Showmaster model. It has two bad pick ups, but the humbucker has some quality. Had it for a year, but im buying a new one next month. Now pwn me with the awesomness of your guitar.

And to keep it on Tool subject, I like my current one as I can get the opening sounds on Eulogy better than any other i've played

[deadohiosky9]

Dude I have Squier too!!! I'm going to get a Epiphone Black Beauty soon though. My guitar is alright. It does what it needs to. But I do want a better one.

[SonorKen]

i love jimmy for the song but not as much for the message (at all)

Jimmy kicks ***! Its pure anger, frustration, and raw emotion put into a song. Its one of the rare Tool songs, like Hush, that is in your face with a point blank direct message.

[Capinspork]

Check out my band at http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=3804195&Mytoken=20040917134001
For 3 full downloadable tracks, OR go to our home page
WWW.Circusofdeadsquirrels.com

[NailHead]

I've been in school for a week now and everyone there is into Tool and I've heard some of their stuff but never really listened. Can anyone recomend a CD that would be good for a first time buyer?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Aenima


To any R/M mod, would it be possible for me to modify the first page of this thread to include answers to these FAQ?

[joe_bass]

Lateralus.

[an_underused_memory]

I think its best to start with Aenima, even though Lateralus is (to me) a superior album, L is the sort of thing you can take ages to get into, whereas at least some tracks of Aenima you can comprehend more easily...songs like stinkfist and H are great songs for the tool virgin, methinks!
On the same token, i think L is appreciated much more with a prior knowledge of tool...
and having said that, its just as possible to go back and start with opiate, cause its still brilliant!

[populuspwellus]

um no way, i wouldnt compare opiate to tool's new stuff

its on such a different level

[xtreme450]

it seems to me like tool didn't sound as serious on opiate as they did on lateralus...but thats just me

[deadohiosky9]

it seems to me like tool didn't sound as serious on opiate as they did on lateralus...but thats just me

Ya ur right. I don't think they were as serious. It was sorta just like their introduction . Get their opinions out. More aggressive raw stuff. If your into that stuff, then earlier Tool is for u. Their newer stuff is deeper and a lot to take in. I agree with AUM that Aenima is a good one to start with.

[Neurotoxin]

Opiate was their first CD, and obviously it'll be quite different from their latest. It was straight up rock, less progression.

Both albums are great in their own way. Cold and Ugly, Opiate, Hush and Jerk-Off... err, every song from Opiate is great.

[ænima]

Yeah Opiate is a mean album i think its was good that they had the two live songs on it. what do you think about Undertow? i think its really good and that to me was a different type of tool compeared to ænima and Lateralus. F*ck i just can wait to hear thier new album. i think that it was again be different but somehow i dont think it will be and good as both ænima nd Lateralus but i surrpose i will just have to wait and see.

Im also looking forward to the Tool DVD coming out and A Perfect Circle, even though its a cover album (besides from two new songs) i think it will be great, they coverd The Nurse Who Loved Me and i liked it better than the origanal so Maynard will have some great way to make all those songs good. CAN'T WAIT!!!

[Lateralias]

Yeah Opiate is a mean album i think its was good that they had the two live songs on it. what do you think about Undertow? i think its really good and that to me was a different type of tool compeared to ænima and Lateralus. F*ck i just can wait to hear thier new album. i think that it was again be different but somehow i dont think it will be and good as both ænima nd Lateralus but i surrpose i will just have to wait and see.


I absolutely love Undertow, Im more of a fan of Aenima and Lateralus, but the more and more I listen to Undertow songs (4 degrees, Bottom, Flood) the more I fall in love with that album. Its Tool's heaviest album in my opinion, who knows though, from what they've (Tool) said, this next release might top it. For those who want to check out more of the material on Undertow I suggest the three songs above and the title track, heck... the whole album is great.

[novus_opiate]

how true. everything on here, well except of course those of you who dislike tool. i think there are so many people who cannot stand tool, so many who love them, and so few who merely like them. i think that most of us who love tool, love it so much, that there isnt really that much of a "middle class" of tool lovers. oh and yes we cannot forget the tool haters. i must say i was one of those people who didnt even know tool. and then my buddy gave me their cd lateralus. needless to say.....it blew me away. i can only sit dumbfounded on how danny carey can find the strength in his arms, and the talent in his mind to play the drums like he does. utterly unbelivable. i jsut want to curl up into a ball on a nice padded something and listen to salival forever.

[Lateralias]

i think there are so many people who cannot stand tool, so many who love them, and so few who merely like them. i think that most of us who love tool, love it so much, that there isnt really that much of a "middle class" of tool lovers. oh and yes we cannot forget the tool haters. i must say i was one of those people who didnt even know tool. and then my buddy gave me their cd lateralus. needless to say.....it blew me away.

You either love Tool or absolutely despise and hate them. My friend use to hate Tool with a passion after hearing Hooker with a *****, and I told him thats not a good example of what Tool sounds like in general, regardless, a week later I showed him some songs off Lateralus and he instantly fell in love.

[ænima]

yeah im only 15 and i had a listen to Tool at my friends house and that was when i was about 5years ago and when we no longer saw each other i didnt listenm to them anymore probably only because abot .0001% of fans are under ten (to interest in eminem) anyway when i was bout 13 i for somne strange reason i jst bout Opiate for the old $9.99 and it started from there! haha sorry for my life story the only reason im writting this is because.. because.. Im just a really big Tool fan and i think you should just all know this Cu (see what listen to TOOL does to you :)

[LittleBassGirl]

I was introduced to Tool when Aenima came out and instantly loved it, then went backwards and got Opiate and Undertow. I was nervous when Lateralus was coming out as I couldn't believe that Aenima could be topped but of course was wrong. What all this is getting to is that I believe that the progression of these albums mirrors a progression of the band (obviously) from young aggressive somewhat antisocial individuals to adults that think about their world and see some hope within it amongst all the crap that they are still fighting. This reflected my own progression and their music has helped me along the way. As nearly everyone here has said, you either love them or hate them and it's always a pleasure to find another Tool fan in the crowd.

[BlinDecsent]

I heard somewhere on some poll that Aenima was the greatest cd of the 90's. And I knew that I didnt have it; so I went out like a magnet was drawing me to the local record store and found Aenima all shiny and double imaged. I thought wow I would get it on the album cover alone. But then i saw the $30 (canadian) price tag and norlally anything over 25 i consider out of my price range. But what baffles me is that I thought nothing of it. I just got out my wallet and bought the cd and then listned to it from front to back I think 5 times that night.

I was amazed that I had gone so many years without tool. I almost regret the fact that I didnt listen to them earlier but i am equally thankful that I have all their cds minus salival cause i cant find it.

Tool continues to amaze me with all aspects of their creations. The new album will rival only Lateralus in about a decade or so for best cd of the 00's. And hopefully with that new album comes a nice big tour that includes all major canadian cities...

[PowerStamp]

Ok bear with me as I didn't read all 34 pages (I will later though)

I just wanna say that Danny Carey is just amazing...simply amazing.
Not only is he a great drummer, but he uses science and mathematics with the functions of circles and relativity to set up his drumset. While his set is nothing next to Bozzios or Portnoys, he does a crapload with what he has.

Not only that, but he has studied for many many years on many different types of drums and drumming techniques.

For drummers and non-drummers alike (I myself am the former) check this out to make your jaw drop:
http://www.dannycarey.com
Go to 'philosophy" then go "Education", then go "Cyber Clinic", then watch the 3rd link.

Its the drum solo break in 46&2 video.
AMAZING.

[BlinDecsent]

isn't it danny carey . org? AdamJonesIsGod already posted that a while ago so i know what your talking about. I totally agree with his amazing technique. Definately one of the best drummers to pick up sticks. The amazing thing is how he doesnt overly stand out either. Very rarely will he do something like the solo in 46&2; most the time his drumming is nothing short of perfection to what ever it is hes drumming to.

[PowerStamp]

I just checked .org, and they both take you to the same spot.

Yeah, true he doesn't really go off completely that much, it's usually just very tight rhythms that tend to change time signature a lot.
He's simply amazing though.
As it says on the other 2 links at the site, he plays the drums to the melody of the bass, guitar, and even maynard's voice, so he just doesn't keep the time, he plays with the band.

ALSO I read an interview where he says he actually TUNES his drums to notes...he said something along the lines that "Most TOOL songs are in D, so I'll tune my drums to A, D, and F live", and he said that he'd tune his drums for each song in the studio, so ****.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Wow, the last page was cool to read, it was almost like one of those new age Christian services, where everyone jumps up and praises tool for what they have done for them. Good to read so many positive things

Since people are digging Danny's drumming at the moment, for those Gmail users out there, if anyone hasn't heard danny's live drum solo yet, Ill be willing to send it out to anyone who puts their address up. Though im sure most of you have heard it.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

And for the 'holy gift' subject, and the continuing Doom 3 questions, Blair has put up some stuff on both http://www.toolband.com/news/index.html

[an_underused_memory]

yeah, I agree bout the christian service style efforts of the last page!
its great - a tool revival meet!
I'm in the same basket as little bass girl - your story is exact parallel to mine....
I'd stinkfist on the radio for a while and loved it, so when aenima came out i bought it when i was away on a school trip....imagine the fustration..... the 'greatest album of the 90s' (as someone mentioned) sitting in my bag for a week, when I didn't have a cd player...the anticipation made it sooo much sweeter!
although as a 14 year old, i distinctly remember not getting third eye at all...

[an_underused_memory]

a short survey..
how many of you fans of tool play an instrument?
if so, which instrument(s)?
who knows (or is) a tool fan who doesn't play intruments? (i only know three offhand)

[nrvn55]

i think that tool is a band that is only understood if you do play an instrument. tool is just such a great techinical band it is hard not to love them. alot of my girl friends don;t like tool, but they always mention how much they like maynard's voice. i don;t know, i don;t know off the top iof my head any one who likes tool the doesn;t play an instrument of some sort.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

a short survey..
how many of you fans of tool play an instrument?
if so, which instrument(s)?
who knows (or is) a tool fan who doesn't play intruments? (i only know three offhand)


*raises hand*

I play the guitar, and it was thanks to adam that I bought one. Its true that once you play an instrument, you appreciate the music a lot more, since learning songs like Sober and The Patient its showed my how clever and creative a player Adam really is.

[Lateralias]

a short survey..
how many of you fans of tool play an instrument?
if so, which instrument(s)?
who knows (or is) a tool fan who doesn't play intruments? (i only know three offhand)

Drums, yes you got it, Danny definitely inspired me to play. What drummer wouldnt be inspired by him? :)

[malignant5150]

*raises hand*

I play the guitar, and it was thanks to adam that I bought one. Its true that once you play an instrument, you appreciate the music a lot more, since learning songs like Sober and The Patient its showed my how clever and creative a player Adam really is.
yeah i play guitar to but i started playing just because i wanted to :thumb:

[deadohiosky9]

I also play guitar. More because all the music I listen to has guitar in it, and I was drawn to it. But Adam and Tool have definetly inspired me to start a band, and is a big influence on my riffs.

[BlinDecsent]

I play the bass, and just ask my friends how much I used to go on about how any bass player who uses a pick could never compare to finger style...

Justin proved me wrong, he proved me wrong indeed. Yet he is the ONLY bass player I respect who uses a pick, because I think hes actually smart with it unlike some players who use it because they played guitar all their life and realised it wasn't going to get them anywhere so they switched to bass and brought the pick with them...

sorry my rant on picks for the day. Justin is second only to flea for top spot on my fav bass players list though.

[PowerStamp]

Hey, I'd like that Carey solo...I might have it but if so I'll just delete the copy :D

johnbutt@gmail.com

[CoopALoop]

I play the bass to, but my real love of tool came almost jsut before i bpoguht my bass. I think it might be becasue of tool that i got my bass, either way, when i listen to their songs now its not jsut me fore the lyrics its for EVERYTIHNG ALL TOGTHER

[nrvn55]

either way, when i listen to their songs now its not jsut me fore the lyrics its for EVERYTIHNG ALL TOGTHER

that is what amazes me. it is unbelivable for a band to be so talented in every aspect of their craft. adam composes the pieces, justin is a solid bass player with catchy lines, danny is an amazing drummer, and maynard's voice is just amazing. i don't think there is one flaw in this band.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Hey, I'd like that Carey solo...I might have it but if so I'll just delete the copy :D

johnbutt@gmail.com

Sent :thumb:

[deadohiosky9]

I would like the durm solo too. Mine is spiralout11235@gmail.com . thanks!

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Sent, enjoy :thumb:


EDIT: Or not, did you give the right address? It wont send, keep getting failed notifications

[deadohiosky9]

Oo Sorry bout that. I gave you the wrong adress. Its spiralout1123@gmail.com . sorry bout that. thanks.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Take two..and sent.

[deadohiosky9]

Got it. The solo was awesome! Thanks.

[Toolious<mopez>]

how big is the solo? could you send it to me also, haha hate to be a bother so many people asking and all :)

EDIT: haha forgot to put my email
SMopez [@] gmail [.] com

i hate risking spam :) :D

[Toolious<mopez>]

:) i noticed people talking about what there guitar was a couple of pages back...
so i figured i want to show the world mine :D

its a epiphone Les paul 50th anniversary
cool little doodad on the back...

i think its sexy :naughty:

pics = attachted

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11763&stc=1
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11764&stc=1

sorry if this is too off topic

[NyhtShade]

I did an interpretation of Lateralus. I know my interpretation will be taken as wrong as to some people, and some people will probably ask themselves "what the heck is he talking about?". But I don't care, 'cause an interpretation is an opinion. This is my opinion, and opinions can't be wrong. Anyways, here.

Black then white are, all I see, in my infancy.
Red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me.
Lets me see.

I believe that this, in a way, could be referring to racism and the derrogatory slangs that humanity uses. Black and white are well known, but the term Red could be perceived as a native american or what could be considered "redskins", such as Yellow could be an asian person. When Maynard says, [/I] "in my infancy"[/I], I believe he is referring to that time in life when one is gullible. They're willing to believe just about anything, and they're taught to hate (as what this world mostly teaches is hatred and seperation) those that are different. The first thing that they see is the obvious which is Blacks are different than Whites in their eyes, and because humanity is constantly searching for a new degradation of those seperate from us, the terms of calling a native american Redskin (which here is just Red) and an asian Yellow were formed. But these should reach out to an individual and cause them to question what makes these two so different from whites or blacks. It's another form of Eyes of The Beholder. These terms open up an individual's eyes and lets them see all that racism and anger they've been so blinded to.

As below, so above and beyond, I imagine
drawn beyond the lines of reason.
Push the envelope. Watch it bend.

A look on humanity in its raw form. Notice here that he says below, above, and beyond but nowhere does he say Behind. I feel that he is referring to the evolution of humanity in a whole, as in something that surrounds him. As a society, most of what is believed in is beyond logical thinking, and therefore beyond the lines of reason. Religion, emotion, and paranormal activity are a few of these beliefs (I say emotion with Love strongly in mind), and we keep pushing the limits on what is acceptable in a society. Take for instance, one could view religion in this term that Christianity is accepted by every religion out there, yet they don't accept all the other religions. A quote on that could be found once said by our own President Bush before he was President as "I don't think that witchcraft is a religion. I wish the military would rethink this decision." If this isn't beyond the lines of reason, I'm not sure what is. And we could fight that, we could help prevent opinions such as this from controlling us. But the majority just sit and watch what happens next, watching everything bend.

Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.

Ever hear that too much knowledge could be a bad thing. It seems that the more one knows, the less common sense they have. Intuition isn't exactly common sense, but it's within the same vein. If you try to analyze and find a logical answer for everything, you will over complicate things. However the verse "Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines" is somewhat confusing, as to where it sounds as if he has a desire to push the limits as well. Almost as if he's trying to bend the lines himself.

there is so much more and beckons me
to look thru to these infinite possibilities.

This could be referring to once again bending the limits of what is acceptable in society. It could be saying that the possibilities to humanity beyond the lines of reason are infinite, some good, some bad.

Feed my will to feel this moment, urging me to cross the line.
Reaching out to embrace the random.
Reaching out to embrace whatever may come.

He's fulfilling his desire to push the limits, to bend the line of reason. Yet there's something pushing him to break those limits and cross past the lines of reason. He knows not the results of this action, so he prepares himself for whatever may randomly come.

I embrace my desire to
feel the rhythm, to
feel connected,
enough to step aside and,
weep like a widow, to
feel inspired, to
fathom the power, to
witness the beauty, to
bathe in the fountain, to
swing on the spiral, to
swing on the spiral, to

swing on the spiral of
our divinity and
still be a human

This verse right here could be the most powerful verse in the song (although some would argue it's the verse following it, my opinion is it's this one) because he's listing things that make us human such as awe, emotions, curiosity, a need to feel wanted, and he's saying that he embraces those wants and needs.

With my feet upon the ground I move myself between the sounds and open wide to suck it in.
I feel it move across my skin.
I'm reaching up and reaching out. I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
what ever will bewilder me.
And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.

This is the part of the song where everyone seems to think there is some hidden message of some type. I don't believe there is, just phenomenal songwriting. The verse "I move myself between the sounds and open wide to suck it in, I feel it move across my skin " is saying that music is more than something you hear, It's something you feel. Not physically (possibly with enough bass), but emotionally and mentally. By "moving between the sounds" you're surrounding yourself with music. If we as humans were to follow our will and break the limits of things holding us down such as religion and legality, who knows where we would go. Some say without a legal system in place, it would be anarchy. But look at our world now, It's anarchy as it is. In my opinion, this song could be perceived as a song about humanity constantly wanting more of something that we can't have, so we take the next best thing. By constantly pushing the limits, and bending the lines of reason, logical thinking will either die out, or be overrun by those who couldn't spell logical. And we as a society will listen to them, because we constantly need someone to control us, and tell us what to do. An individual can think for themselves, but a group needs someone to lead.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I did an interpretation of Lateralus. I know my interpretation will be taken as wrong as to some people, and some people will probably ask themselves "what the heck is he talking about?". But I don't care, 'cause an interpretation is an opinion. This is my opinion, and opinions can't be wrong.

Nice to see another interpretation in this thread, Lateralus is a beast of a song in every sense, be it lyrical, or instrumental. I definitely see where you are coming from in all areas of the song, its one that has confused me for a while, and its also one of the more open to interpretation pieces of work that Maynard has made lyrically.

And for all those who wanted the solo and left their gmail, its bee sent to all. I recommend editing your posts and removing your address now, to prevent spammers.

[an_underused_memory]

Thanks for the interpretation, Nyhtshade...
I feel differently about some sections, but thats what interpretation's all about!

Black then white are all I see in my infancy.
red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me.
lets me see.


I've always thought of this to be less literal than you mentioned. I thought of it as being seeing all issues polarised, as in only 'seeing in black and white' - Like George W saying that anyone who doesn't completely support his war is against him...

That doesn't leave interpretation of red and yellow...even though, as you say, it does fit the skin colour theory, that just doesn't feel right to me...
Red and yellow? perhaps to do with colour receptors in the eyes? thats very literal though.
the 'lets me see' is surely about understanding rather than physical sight.

As below, so above and beyond, I imagine
drawn beyond the lines of reason.
Push the envelope. Watch it bend
He seems to be saying that he's seen 'below', and imagines 'above and beyond' are the same...I differ to the earlier interpretation here, i think MJK is asking himself, humanity or the listener to try and push the envelope, to get beyond the logical and conventionally 'reasonable.'

Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind.
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.

Intuition is like a 6th snese, i think; we can use it and know things that we have no reasonable way of knowing...some people call it coincidence, i certainly don't, but each to their own. When we try to analyse this intuition, we can break its flow and miss the opportunities this extra knowledge presents to us. So we must 'feed our wills' without overthinking...
(and yes, I have grasped the irony of analysing a song the berates overanalysing, but I don't think its meant that way:P )
Feed my will to feel this moment urging me to cross the line.
Reaching out to embrace the random.
Reaching out to embrace whatever may come.

This seems straightforward - like many eastern religions, MJK wants to stop himself craving control and cross the line into embracing existance as it is.

I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm,
to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow
to feel inspired,
to fathom the power,
to witness the beauty,
to bathe in the fountain,
to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human.
(i decided to phrase it as it would be written, rather than sung, in order to appreciate the text)
As has been mentioned, a beautiful list of all the things MJK wants to achieve - to be divine and still human...

With my feet upon the ground I lose myself
between the sounds and open wide to suck it in,
I feel it move across my skin.

I agree that this is about feeling music, and possibly even more feeling life itself...another expression of being intensely spiritual, yet keeping your feet on the ground..

I'm reaching up and reaching out,
I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
And following our will and whim we may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.


This about the constant search for evolution, letting life happen and not trying control every event (the world's politicians take note) 'riding the spiral to the end' is following these things to their conclusion, to see where this evolution can take us.

My interpretation is an internal one, so the anarchy theme isn't relevant there. Although sometimes I feel like there's anarchy inside my head... :)

this isn't meant to be the opposite of the earlier interpretation, merely an alternative veiwpoint, another leg of the 'trousers of time.'

[an_underused_memory]

and another thing:
I was wondering if anyone has any reading recommendations?
whilst writing that analysis, I was wishing everyone reading had read A Seperate Reality by Carlos Castaneda, because a lot of the ideas I put inarticulately are explained much better in that book...
so i thoroughly recommend it, sorry if its off topic, but i'm interested in what other tool fans are reading!

[Adam Jones is GOD]

and another thing:
I was wondering if anyone has any reading recommendations?
whilst writing that analysis, I was wishing everyone reading had read A Seperate Reality by Carlos Castaneda, because a lot of the ideas I put inarticulately are explained much better in that book...
so i thoroughly recommend it, sorry if its off topic, but i'm interested in what other tool fans are reading!

I just finished reading 'love all the people', its a collection of Bill Hick's best pieces of work and live performances. Its a great read to see where maynard founded most of his lyrical influences, and its also a funny read as well. Though I really need to startt reading more of the educational/spiritual books that are a part of Tool

[Moose_Malloy]

(hey, i popped in off the bass forum)
^ Ive got 'Love all the people' as well, a real eye opener..well ,to me. It just proves the point that a certain Mr Hicks is another dead hero

[NyhtShade]

Honestly Medopalis, it depends really on what type of sounds you like. I've always felt that Mer De Noms is a bit more on the heavy side when compared to Thirteenth Step. But they both have their benefits. Although by you asking in a Tool thread, I'm assuming that you wish for one that sounds more similiar to Tool. I'm not the person to ask on that part, since I will admit I just got into tool a little less than a month ago (and it was mainly this board that got me into it as well). But I would safely go with Mer De Noms since that was my first MJK album of any type, and it was easier for me to understand what he was saying in that sense. But ask around here, I'm sure someone could help you more than I. And underused_memory, Thank you for posting your interpretation as well. That was something I liked about this board, reading what people would think about a song and it was good to see that people in here are still willing to post their thoughts instead of praise members of Tool. (That was not said to start a war, flame, or meant in anything negative what-so-ever. Just viewing the last few pages).

[sandinista4444]

I think mer de noms is better

[BlinDecsent]

Ya Mer de Noms has that dark heavy feel, but Thirteenth Step will send shivers down your spine because it really creates a mood. Personally I got Thirteenth Step first and I would recomend it. Then if you like it go with Mer de Noms.

[deadohiosky9]

I have a question to ask you all on the lyrics of Ticks and Leeches. When Maynard says "takin all you can take takin all we can take" or something like that is on the band's site. But sometimes the lyrics on the site are a little different than what he actualy says. And when I listen to Ticks and Leeches I hear him say "taken all i can take taken all you can f.uckin take". I've looked at different Tool fan sites, and some say what the band's site says, and some say what I keep hearing. So I'm interested to know what you guys hear. Am I hearing wrong?

[Drum_and_Bass_Guy89]

i think your hearing right they might of wrote the lyrics like wut you've seen but maynard might fo wanted to do his own thing so u know how it is

[an_underused_memory]

Re: Ticks n Leeches
There's a note somewhere on a Tool site (toolshed? or toolband?)
that states maynards veiw on the written versions of lyrics: basically he comes up with melodies with the band, then goes away and writes or finds lyrics to suit the song. The 'official' lyrics come from these lyric sheets, rather than being transcribed from the cd.
Therefore what's sung is sometimes different to what's written.
Also interesting is that MJK is quite happy to post lyrics (i always assumed he wouldn't) but only after people have had a chance to digest the album as a whole - he posts the lyrics usually 2 or 3 months after the album release.
Some may say two months is nowhere near enough time to digest a tool album...

[CanadianToolBassist]

Its been a little too long since I last posted but i just thought of giving a big round of applause to the people who worked on "A String Tribute to Tool: Third Eye Open" A very underappreciated work that deserves some attention. Right now I'm listening to the version of pu**** on the cd and it really lets you hear and understand the song through the music with no lyrics. I was very willing to pay the 30 bucks for it (Canadian dollars, so like 25 US). A very good cd to check out, if you can. Took me very long time to find.

[CanadianToolBassist]

Its been a little too long since I last posted but i just thought of giving a big round of applause to the people who worked on "A String Tribute to Tool: Third Eye Open" A very underappreciated work that deserves some attention. Right now I'm listening to the version of pu**** on the cd and it really lets you hear and understand the song through the music with no lyrics. I was very willing to pay the 30 bucks for it (Canadian dollars, so like 25 US). A very good cd to check out, if you can. Took me very long time to find.

just to let you guys know, its all string orchestra. So if you aren't into tool on the viola,cello,and violin, then...

[an_underused_memory]

I agree about the string tribute, I love it and it gives another veiwpoint on the songs...

in case you didn't realise, there's now a 2nd volume, and i think its much better recorded and played...Vitamin records does a gazillion of these string tributes, and there's 2 arrangers assigned to the Tool one. I can't remember their names, but one of them is better than the other, if you look through the track listing and see who did what, the good guy's just a bit more consisent.
its less polished than Apocalyptica (cello quartet that plays metal covers) but they've never covered tool....
Nevertheless, both great buys, unlike some of the industrial tributes which maul the songs.
Volume 2 'Metamorphasis' also features an original song by the string quartet, which I quite like....

[ThePatient]

the string tribute cds are grrrrrrrrrrrreat. and then i bought one just called "a tribute to tool", and just butchered every song on the cd. it was sooooooo bad.

[an_underused_memory]

for all you female Tool fans...or all us guys who know female tool fans.....
Is MJK sexy because he's sexy, or because he'd probably hate the fact that he's a sex symbol?
i find it interesting my female friends into tool are polarised: the one's who see Maynard the love-god
and the ones who get offended that they'd ever discuss anything other than tool as a whole.
Personally, I don't give a ****, if you're a crazy stalker, thats your perogative

[twiggster]

Well, to me what makes Maynard sexy is his voice...i really REALLY love his voice....and yes, of course his mysterious ways makes him sexy as well...but i don't see him as any love-god or any sex symbol, or anything like that.

[an_underused_memory]

I know what you mean....
still some people see him that way...

[TheMachineRagesOn]

i never knew people found him sexy. in my opinion Justin is sexiest.





ps. im not gay.

[hind brain]

I heard (I think it was on the Toolshed FAQ) that Maynard was saying something about Lateralus being a muscle, but he wouldn't say what it was. So I was working out today, and on the machine I was using there was a sticker showing the different muscles the machine worked on. There were two on the back called "Latissimus Dorsi".

What do you think?

You guys might have covered this by now, but did anyone miss the words "GOD" inside the guy's brain in the liner notes? You can spot it here (http://toolshed.down.net/pix/lat/latopen.jpg). (Right page.)

[Maynard]

All my friends hate tool and A Perfect Circle, probably because they don't get into the lyrical depth of the songs. To an extent i'm happy that they don't like them. It's like an instict you either like them or you don't there really isn't any in between.

[Everything_and_Nothing_3:15]

All my friends hate tool and A Perfect Circle, probably because they don't get into the lyrical depth of the songs. To an extent i'm happy that they don't like them. It's like an instict you either like them or you don't there really isn't any in between.

To say that a person doesn't like a band because they don't understand the lyrics is ****ing bull****. Are you retarded or something. You like a band because they create good music, not because of their lyrics. So what your friends don't like the band, maybe they think they don't sound very good. Let say you put the noise of a person being slaughtered and gun shots together, then put manyards or who evers lyrics over it. So are you going to like it? According to what you say, yes, because of the lyrical content, but any person in the right mind wouldn't because it would sound like the worst thing possible. I'm trying to say that, you like a band because they sound good, not because of some lyrics they say.

[Maynard]

Sigh, I meant they don't like the lyrics because they like all the catchy punk ****. Also they don't like the sound of them, jesus christ don't have an aneurysm over it.

[o_zo]

i never knew people found him sexy. in my opinion Justin is sexiest.





ps. im not gay.
Justin?No way,it has to be Danny,with his big masculin arms and rugged good looks.




ps.I'm also not gay.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

i never knew people found him sexy. in my opinion Justin is sexiest.


I have no male preference too but i can tell you that Adam is by far the least attractive man in the band. he has that Gene Simmonds look. Justin is attractive because he's English (hint hint :naughty: )

Thats enough thread degrading from me

[hind brain]

Adam looks pretty depressed.

[CoopALoop]

You guys might have covered this by now, but did anyone miss the words "GOD" inside the guy's brain in the liner notes? You can spot it here (http://toolshed.down.net/pix/lat/latopen.jpg). (Right page.)
never noticed that before and i even have Leteralus. hmmm the cleverness

[an_underused_memory]

Yeah, thats interesting...I think its that existentialist theory of everyone being their own spiritual god....
god is progress
god is evolution...internally...
if anyone has a chance, google 'alex grey' (it may be spelt gray) - he's the guy who did the artwork for lateralus...he has own very interesting site...and he explains the concept behind the lateralus artwork...which may useful for those trying to figure out the lyrics...
Does anyone know who did the artwork for Aenima?
Both were done under the direction of Adam J, but I don't think he actually created the art...

[CoopALoop]

Yeah, thats interesting...I think its that existentialist theory of everyone being their own spiritual god....
god is progress
god is evolution...internally...
created the art...

tha'ts one way of putting it but when i saw it
what came to mind was that the image of god has been so forced upon many ppl that it is all that they ahve on their mind

[an_underused_memory]

NB - my earlier question about the sexiness or otherwise of MJK was really just to point out that even being anti-image is an image of sorts!

as another dead hero said: "hmmm, he's going for the anti-marketing market..you know, thats a great market right there..."
I guess all we read and wear or hear and see on TV is product begging for our fat-*** dirty dollar....

[alex_barron_qc]

I just found it last night, its 6,7,5,8,4,9,13,1,12,2,11,3,10. I didnt really find it that amazing no big revelation or anything. Some of the songs do blend well together in that order so who knows.
I listen to it to, but i Know it works, its the songs of the end as the same tempo then the last.

[alex_barron_qc]

Did any body heard if TOOL have tab book?

[misunderstood]

Originally Posted by christonastick
I just found it last night, its 6,7,5,8,4,9,13,1,12,2,11,3,10. I didnt really find it that amazing no big revelation or anything. Some of the songs do blend well together in that order so who knows. I listen to it to, but i Know it works, its the songs of the end as the same tempo then the last.


Blair made a comment about all this alternate track listing stuff on the official Tool site a couple days ago. I'm not exactly sure what he said about it...something about only tool members having an album with this track listing...i don't know...didn't ready through it..just skimmed...check it out.

[hind brain]

The eye on the back of Aenima was done here: www.happypencil.com
You can get it on a tshirt :thumb: .

Lateralus artwork: www.alexgrey.com

Did any body heard if TOOL have tab book?

They have a few for individual songs: here. (http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_fastresults.html?cart=33048256771941341)

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Did any body heard if TOOL have tab book?

They only have a few for a selection of songs, but the best tabs are those that people have tabbed themselves on the net. There is a semi official tab site for tool here you can download tabs for every album, I use that myself. As for the link, I cant remember, but most of Tools sites link to it

[Otherside]

They only have a few for a selection of songs, but the best tabs are those that people have tabbed themselves on the net. There is a semi official tab site for tool here you can download tabs for every album, I use that myself. As for the link, I cant remember, but most of Tools sites link to it

http://toolshed.down.net/0001.html

http://www.tooltabs.net/

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Thats the links, its been updated since I last went on it too

[clearvision]

ps.I'm also not gay.
Both of you are liars :lol:

Im curios to know what type of music you other tool fans listen to. I mean like you would consider yhourself an actual fan of, i have all 3 SOAD album and would love to see them in concerst. I consider myself a fan of them...

My list is :

SOAD
HIM
Coldplay
Metallica
Muse
Slipknot
Staind

[BlinDecsent]

My favorite band is Metallica, then Tool, then in no order: Sublime, Red Hot Chili Peppers, In Flames, Rage Against the Machine, Opeth, System of a Down, A Perfect Circle, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Incubus, At the Gates, Iron Maiden, Therion, Avenged Seven Fold, KoRn

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Although some one will prove me wrong, i think I probably have the most varied music tastes out of those who posted so far
My bands include:

Mogwai
Reuben
Smashing Pumpkins
Peach
A Perfect Circle
Million Dead
The Black Mages (he he)
The Killers
Soundgarden


To name a few


Back to tool....

[opiate4themasses]

Peach
Lets talk Peach! Did anyone else like Giving Birth to a Stone?
Some of the songs are really catchy and well put together, I wish they woulda stayed together.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Lets talk Peach! Did anyone else like Giving Birth to a Stone?
Some of the songs are really catchy and well put together, I wish they woulda stayed together.

*cheers!

Peach was a great band, and Giving Birth to a Stone was great, Burn was an awesome song. Although the vocals were not great, but us Brits cant sing.

Do you have the original or the Adam artwork re-release?

[an_underused_memory]

Yeah, ditto...
i liked peach but i felt the vocals were a bit weak compared to the rest of the band....

for those interested, my list:
tool
apc
lamb
mars volta
cog
bjork
shostakovich (ok so he's a dead composer, but i think his symphonies are the original heavy metal!)
...a million other bands a like but don't love....

[an_underused_memory]

hmmm another book i think tool fans may like:
tomorrow when the war began by john marsden (aussie author)

[johnnysnotdead]

tool kicks so much mother****ing *** they should stop some of their projects and make a new album cuz htat would kick even more ***

[CanadianToolBassist]

meh, might as well add my own while were own the topic

tool
apc
finger eleven
franz ferdinand
modest mouse
deep fine grind
pilate
i mother earth
cold
linkin park

is there any tool bass tab books? i can only find the guitar ones to buy.

[CanadianToolBassist]

today i was actually so in depth with 46 & 2 that I actually started discussing the concept with my bio teacher. then i started talking about the lateralus graph with my physics teacher. Wow. If you wanna understand the names of some of Tools songs, just talked to someone who knows about them.

[Drum_and_Bass_Guy89]

wut where they about??

[BlinDecsent]

haha my math teacher last year was impressed that I knew the word Parabola.

Alot of tool songs are really intellegent that way though. That is why I generally think people who listen to tool on a regular basis are fairly bright.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

haha my math teacher last year was impressed that I knew the word Parabola.

Alot of tool songs are really intellegent that way though. That is why I generally think people who listen to tool on a regular basis are fairly bright.

I passed a maths test by remebering the Fibbonaicci sequence (thanks Lateralus). And I recall there was also a question along the lines of 46 + 2 in it at one point. Coincidence, or maybe the paper was a tool fan too? :lol:

[xtreme450]

Alright...I'd like to offer up my anylization of the song Hush. (to try take this thread back to its original intent)

Hush is, in a nutshell, about censorship.
In the line, "I can't say what I want to, even if I'm not serious," Maynard is basically saying that the record companies won't let him say certain things that would otherwise be considered a threat, even if he dosen't mean it.

When Maynard sings "People tell me what to say, what to think and what to play,"
he reffers again to record companies, more or less the RIAA and FCC, saying that they control everything and they tell you what you can and cannot watch/do/and say in TV, radio and music.

You could also interpret Maynard singing "**** yourself, you piece of ****, why don't you just kill yourself," as saying to the RIAA, FCC and general media that they should **** themselves and kill themselves, because they are wrong for trying to control us.

Anyway you look at it, this song kicks ***...

[Paranoidd]

Although some one will prove me wrong, i think I probably have the most varied music tastes out of those who posted so far


I will prove you wrong :)

Pink Floyd
Slayer
Rush
Morcheeba
Underworld
Dillinger Escape Plan
Radiohead
Johnny Winter
Diana Krall
Willie Dixon
The Cult
The Police
Bedrock
Lamb
PJ Harvey
Primal Scream
LTJ Bukem

I could go on forever...

[xtreme450]

I will prove you wrong :)

Pink Floyd
Slayer
Rush
Morcheeba
Underworld
Dillinger Escape Plan
Radiohead
Johnny Winter
Diana Krall
Willie Dixon
The Cult
The Police
Bedrock
Lamb
PJ Harvey
Primal Scream
LTJ Bukem

I could go on forever...

just naming bands, or music you actually listen to? cause if its bands you listen to, bravo...

[Paranoidd]

?

What do you think?

Obviously I listen to all of those.

[xtreme450]

yea...i was saying good for you, man...

[Paranoidd]

Ah.

Thanks :D

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I will prove you wrong :)

Pink Floyd
Slayer
Rush
Morcheeba
Underworld
Dillinger Escape Plan
Radiohead
Johnny Winter
Diana Krall
Willie Dixon
The Cult
The Police
Bedrock
Lamb
PJ Harvey
Primal Scream
LTJ Bukem

I could go on forever...

*hands over title*

Good to see some PJ Harvey support, shes still got it even today

[Paranoidd]

Definitely...I loved her new album.

Now if only Portishead would do another album...

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I dont know why, but i always get Massive Attack and Portished mixed up. very off topic, but eeverytime i hear a song, until I hear vocals, I cant tell which is which

[Paranoidd]

They're both trip hop, I like Portishead better. "Dummy" is one of my all time favorite albums.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I always had a problem defining them, and then once I heard the term Trip Hop, it fit so well. Ill let this thread return to Tool now, ill appreciate that type of music in the other forums, like a good boy

[Paranoidd]

:thumb:

I'm going to try and learn Lateralus when I get home. The power-chord chorus is confusing me for some reason.

[Refl]

:thumb:

I'm going to try and learn Lateralus when I get home. The power-chord chorus is confusing me for some reason.


Try not to think about the timing too much when you play lateralus, try and get the feel that adam gives out. Im crap on guitar and i can play most tool songs. Im o.k. on drums and i can play any tool song IF i set all my effort into it. I'll try the bass next :wave:

[BlinDecsent]

thats pretty impressive that you can play any tool song on drums. I always thought danny was a mad man with drums.

[CanadianToolBassist]

Try not to think about the timing too much when you play lateralus, try and get the feel that adam gives out. Im crap on guitar and i can play most tool songs. Im o.k. on drums and i can play any tool song IF i set all my effort into it. I'll try the bass next

i have such bad drum timing, hands and feet go together at the same time and it just gets messy. kudos on attempting the bass, some tool songs sound quite good, and most are super simple to learn(i.e. Ticks & Leeches). Learn 46 & 2 on bass. especially if you have a distortion pedal. Just beautiful. Relection and Disposition as well.

[nrvn55]

:thumb:

I'm going to try and learn Lateralus when I get home. The power-chord chorus is confusing me for some reason.

work on your picking hand more then you're fret hand. adam has very choppy strokes with chunky muted parts. concentrate more on the strumming patterns more then any thing because that is the most difficult part bout tool.

[IvortheEngineDriver]

it took me a while to see what Justin was doing on the last verse, but he is using a wah with some distortion...its probably my fave Tool track right now, hopefully, I will learn it after I get done flunking the 2 tests I have today :(

[Paranoidd]

work on your picking hand more then you're fret hand. adam has very choppy strokes with chunky muted parts. concentrate more on the strumming patterns more then any thing because that is the most difficult part bout tool.

Cool, thanks for the tip.

I usually don't like learning any songs by other artists, but Tool stuff is really fun to play. Adam has a unique writing style.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I learn far too many Tool songs for my own good, when im not learning/writing.
I can play most of Opiate, 4 Degrees, The Patient, Schism (need to find a good bassist!) and ive started leaning Ticks and Leeches. Some songs are just fun no brainer warm up songs (Part of Me), and some really test out those pinch harmonics (The patient). So there is a reason to learn them, i ignore those who say that learning other peoples songs is a crap way to get good.

[CoopALoop]

i agree dude, i've jsut starting to leanr alot of tool, right now i'm learning H. not a hard song, but ti sounds great, and i've found it somewhat help me when i'm jsut goofing around on my bass

[deadohiosky9]

I downloaded A Perfect Circle's cover of Imagine, and I have to say its f.ucking awesome!!!! It is absolutely amazing!

[The JoZ]

I learn far too many Tool songs for my own good, when im not learning/writing.
I can play most of Opiate, 4 Degrees, The Patient, Schism (need to find a good bassist!) and ive started leaning Ticks and Leeches. Some songs are just fun no brainer warm up songs (Part of Me), and some really test out those pinch harmonics (The patient). So there is a reason to learn them, i ignore those who say that learning other peoples songs is a crap way to get good.

Yeah, really.

Playing as much Tool as I do...has only helped me big time.

I can play

All of Opiate
Almost all of Undertow
Almost all of Aenima
All of Lateralus, except for a few measures here and there.

:cool:

Took me a while though...and even then, I'm still not perfect.

[CoopALoop]

I downloaded A Perfect Circle's cover of Imagine, and I have to say its f.ucking awesome!!!! It is absolutely amazing!
i liked it to, i compared the originl to the APC verison fo it, i prefer the APC verison but hey what ever floats your boat

[deadohiosky9]

i liked it to, i compared the originl to the APC verison fo it, i prefer the APC verison but hey what ever floats your boat

same here. i downloaded the original too, and i like the APC version much more.

[BlinDecsent]

does any one know when APC's new cd is comeing out. I know its soon but does anyone know the exact day?

I wanna book that day off work so I can get the cd and listen to it.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Novemeber 2nd, election day for you guys/girls in the US, the timing was deliberate

[clearvision]

Anyone got a download of the new APC, i could only find a stream....

[xtreme450]

now, this goes a ways back, but someone said that the APC album "Thirteenth Step" is about addictions and whatnot...i think that might be right, because of the album title. When you go through AA, they put you on a Twelve step program, right? i don't know if anyone mentioned this before, but i've brought it up now.

[an_underused_memory]

that was some of my noodling analyses, amongst others...
i feel the album has a clear addiction theme, though you could easily interpret individual songs along other lines..
to me the 13th step is the mental one after the 12 'formal' steps.... "i choose to live"
For all of you who weren't grabbed by the music, maybe you'd get grabbed by the emotion/lyrics instead...

[Scythe404]

now, this goes a ways back, but someone said that the APC album "Thirteenth Step" is about addictions and whatnot...i think that might be right, because of the album title. When you go through AA, they put you on a Twelve step program, right? i don't know if anyone mentioned this before, but i've brought it up now.

Yep. This also explains the filler tracks "Crimes" and "Lullaby."

Steps/Tracks 1-8 progress nicely, but afterwards it gets darker, implying that the "victim" is failing with those steps. We don't even make it to #13. It implies the victim didnt make it.

[clearvision]

You can't use save target as :( any other ideas?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Just wait til downloads are available, you are not missing much. Listen to the original, still like it better than the APC version

[clearvision]

Yeah i've listened to the stream...But the stream wont go on my ipod :upset:

[IvortheEngineDriver]

Yeah, really.

Playing as much Tool as I do...has only helped me big time.

I can play

All of Opiate
Almost all of Undertow
Almost all of Aenima
All of Lateralus, except for a few measures here and there.

:cool:

Took me a while though...and even then, I'm still not perfect.
I can play some of Tool...Aenema gives me the hardest time, its way too complicated, but if I sit down and just play it all day, I can do it.


God, I love Tool!

Joz, I would love for you to give me a lesson sometime

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Joz, I would love for you to give me a lesson sometime

A weekly lesson from Joz would be cool!

This week kids, we shall be learning the whole of Jimmy.

I keep getting stuck with certain bits on songs, like the mad string scrapes on Triad

[deadohiosky9]

I can play all of Lateralus, some parts of Aenema give me trouble. I can play most of Undertow, and all of Opiate. Jimmy is a fun song to play. If you are gonna play Tool then go to Tool Tabs (http://www.tooltabs.net) and download the archive at that site. Its really good and accurate.

[xtreme450]

i was walking around the record store yesterday and i heard some ignorant jackass say that tool and a perfect circle are the same. i had to speak up and disagree with him, and he just got pissed and left the store. i wanted to know what you guys think of that statement.

[clearvision]

I find them similair. But in fact the only thing the same is maynard, when even he is supposedly different in each band. Joe billy public probably can't tell the difference, and to be honest i was the same once. I couldn't care if it was metallica or slipknot it was just too heavy. To critiscise someones opinon when you don't know their reasons to back it up. Thats rather ignorant, infact maybe so ignorant he left the store.

/sorry me = phillosophical mood

[Adam Jones is GOD]

i was walking around the record store yesterday and i heard some ignorant jackass say that tool and a perfect circle are the same. i had to speak up and disagree with him, and he just got pissed and left the store. i wanted to know what you guys think of that statement.


One of my favourite record stores in Nottingham has all their APC albums under Tool, which I find wrong. But I cant be mad at them, since they gave me my copy of Salival :D

[TOOLphreak_46and2]

Ok guys, here is your "Official" Tool thread. Anything Tool related belongs here, don't create new threads. Also feel free to Discuss A Perfect Circle, Pigmy Love Circus, Zaum, or any other projects the guys from Tool work on. If you post something negative about Tool post up why you think and feel that way. If you post up "Tool Sucks" and don't give your reasoning your not gonna like the consequences.

Ok, lets have some good conversation and everyone enjoy. SFK.





TOOL Music Theory.

This is my attempt to make a decent thread where TOOL fans can come and discuss
What they think TOOL song(s) mean to them, or what message was the band trying to get across.
As the band put it, in an interview, TOOL likes to leave their message hard to grab, they
want you to use your brain. TOOL wants you to make your own meaning of the song, or grasp
what the song means to them.

I’m looking for theory/opinion, lyrical/musical breakdown of a song, Please don’t spam this thread by writing about how you feel about any certain band member, who best or better, any “A Perfect Circle/Tool� relations… lets try to keep this theory, and theory only. (i.e. “Maynard is so cool!� “Danny is the best!�
“A Perfect Circle is better then TOOL etc etc etc…)

If you are going to post, please no “your theory on Aenima, was lame!� if you are going to post that, please have enough thinking power, to post your own theory if you feel something was incorrect. Intelligence is the key factor for this thread!!! If you are missing a few bolts upstairs, save yourself from the humiliation, and save us the wasted time that we had to use to read your meaningless post. If you are doing a breakdown of a song, please quote lyrics, so everyone can be on the same page. An overview is acceptable also..

Here is an example of what I am looking for….


Album:Opiate
Track: Opiate


I feel this track is being narrated through a pastor/preacher’s point of view. There is always controversy about if this song is to make you look down, or not believe in Christ. My opinion is the song is talking down about Christ in a sarcastic way…


Jesus Christ, why don't you
come save my life.
Open my eyes and blind me
with your light
and your lies.


On top of that Maynard is making fun of religion, by calling a “religious person� blind, deaf, dumb, & born to follow.


Choices always were a problem for you.
What you need is someone strong to guide you.
Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow,
what you need is someone strong to use you...
like me,
like me.


Meaning Christians, or a religious person cannot guide themselves in their own direction in life, they cant make their own choices to be happy in life, they have to “follow� someone to have any sense or happiness in their life. Or the metaphor “blind, deaf, dumb� meaning a person who doesn’t see through lies or gimmicks, yet sees millions of other doing it, so he/she follows.


My God's will
becomes me.
When he speaks out,
he speaks through me.
He has needs
like I do.
We both want
to rape you.


Back to how I was saying this song is through a pastors point of view, I feel the “needs� he speaks of, is money. And “raping� you would be you sitting there believing lies so he can take all your donation money.


Welp there ya go.. there is a basic outline of "opiate" hope this works out the way I plan... happy posting...

:evil:

OMG i fvcking thank you so very much for putting up this thread! its about time that all the TOOL freaks get together and finally talk about something worth while! You said something in your post about APC, Pigmy Love Circus, Zaum...but what about The TexAns and Children of the Anachronistic Dynasty(C.A.D)???? those were also other bands Maynard was in while growing up! thanks again for the post!!! your def. someone i must keep an eye on!...........i hope you choke!!!

[SonorKen]

Here is a link to my kit. Bet ya can't guess what drummer inspired it! I'll put up some more links when I get the rest of the parts in for it this week... You need to scroll down to the bottom of the page.....

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222631&page=10&pp=25

[Paranoidd]

That's a real nice kit man.

If you don't mind me asking, how much did all that run you?

I want drums, really bad, but can't have em at my house :(

[Atreyu346]

I thought this was TOOL thread.

[CoopALoop]

I thought this was TOOL thread.
this is hes just showing his kit that the drummer of tool inspired

wich by the way, does any one know what type of kit Justin Chancellor uses?

[hind brain]

The Paiste website has all his stuff, he's on the artist list.

[CoopALoop]

The Paiste website has all his stuff, he's on the artist list.
k ummm i don't know where that is, i used the search button but nothign that matched waht you sais, so do you have a link or soemtihng, by chance?

[dislocated214]

Tool reminds me of the metal-version of Fugazi.

Not releasing too much merchandise/pictures. Keeping to themselves.

But I only own one Tool CD. And I own 4 Fugazi so I don't know much about it. How about you people?

[Paranoidd]

CoopALoop: Justin Chanceller plays bass. I think you mean Danny Carey, the drummer...

He uses a custom bronze kit I believe. Both acoustic and electric (simmons trigger pads) with a roland MC-505 and other goodies. Try http://www.paiste.com or http://www.dannycarey.com or use google.

Dislocated: They have tons of T-Shirts and such available. I own retail versions of all the albums except for Salival because I'm not paying upwards of $100 for it.

[TOOLphreak_46and2]

im not into tool that much. but i do like the song sober, and from the tool videos ive seen they strike as pretty weird but, i still think manyard is a good songwriter..... and one more thing i heard maynard is a necropheliac is that true???

ok first of.....kid.... no Maynard James is NOT a necropheliac! christ! what in the hell is wrong with you and who in the fvck did u hear this **** from! TOOL has alwayz been my favorite band!!! and Maynard James Keenan is my fvckin IDOL!!!! i worship him!!! but no hes not a fvckin necropheliac!! ****..........i hope you choke!!!

[guitrguy]

ok first of.....kid.... no Maynard James is NOT a necropheliac! christ! what in the hell is wrong with you and who in the fvck did u hear this **** from! TOOL has alwayz been my favorite band!!! and Maynard James Keenan is my fvckin IDOL!!!! i worship him!!! but no hes not a fvckin necropheliac!! ****..........i hope you choke!!!
I hope you get brain. I was asking about a RUMOR, I didn't say it was true.

Why even bring up an old post?

[TOOLphreak_46and2]

whats so good about Tool..ive only heard a few songs..didnt rly hear anything amazing..can someone tell me some good songs to download and ill take my words back


wow....every song by TOOL is good! you cant just fvck around and listen to them...you have to SIT down and actually LISTEN to them....become them and think about what Maynard is singing about!!! Maynards voice is fvckin insane! its awesome!!!! but some good songs are......The Patient, "H" , Third Eye, Opiate, Forty Six & 2, Pu****, Jerk-Off,Ticks and Leeches ...hell theres ALOT more...but...this should get u started!!!

[guitrguy]

I hate to break it to you there are better bands out there.

[SonorKen]

I hate to break it to you there are better bands out there.

I hate to break it to you, don't slam on bands in thier official bands unless you have a worthwhile arguement and an opinion. Just merely stating, they suck or there are better bands out there doesnt cut it. These threads are for the fans of the bands to discuss the band, its members or whatever else. I won't let official threads turn into slam fests.

As far as why I put a link to my kit in here it is because it is a Carey inspired kit.

[guitrguy]

I wasn't slamming them, I do like them. I just can't stand idiotic rambling.

[deadohiosky9]

wow....every song by TOOL is good! you cant just fvck around and listen to them...you have to SIT down and actually LISTEN to them....become them and think about what Maynard is singing about!!! Maynards voice is fvckin insane! its awesome!!!! but some good songs are......The Patient, "H" , Third Eye, Opiate, Forty Six & 2, Pu****, Jerk-Off,Ticks and Leeches ...hell theres ALOT more...but...this should get u started!!!

Hell yeah dude!!!!!

[an_underused_memory]

its hard when reading through the posts from beginning to end, to resist commenting on them like toolphreak has...
but give him a break!

NB on danny's site, somewhere he mentions that he no longer uses his custom bronze Paiste kit....he didn't for the the Aus tour i saw him on in 2002, maybe he's using it again?

[an_underused_memory]

i think both tool n APC are among the bands that you need to let yourself go with them in order to appreciate it...
if you don't allow yourself to be taken with the music, tool can sound pretty uninteresting...
refer to Carlos Castaneda's A Yaqui Way of Knowledge or sufi music teachings, its the only way to describe that 'letting go'
Not that this is true for everyone, but it is for me and many fellow toolheads...
Cause when you do go with it....
I won't gush any more, i've been doing that enough in this thread :)
its great!

[CanadianToolBassist]

I totally agree with memory. It pretty much explains why people who listen to tool can except so many different types of music. You can just love what the songs sound like to you and not how popular they are. Its why you either love tool or hate tool. APC to me is more of a gap fill. Although i think they are still a band you have to let go to love, they do seem to run more mainstream then tool. they get more general attention in mainstream music and are quite as out there(although they still can be of course). I think APC is the bridge to tool. When people see the weak and powerless, the outsider, and judith videos on mainstream television and become involved with the band, they want to know more about where they came and eventually they will learn more about tool and hear some of their music and such. (I KNOW THIS IS DRAGGING ON!) Unless you are from the early and mid 90's MTV generation, or you just happened to see a tool video and love the song(like i did), you aren't likely to have seen anything or heard anything by tool lately(besides Schism or Parabola, which aren't that big of mainstream hits). Thats why the tool fans have become so few, but also so dedicated. APC is sort of trying to keep tool in the game of music while still being their own band. This is how I explain the theory of tool fans, apc fans, and eveything in between.
- the Canadian "Mike"

p.s. I may rant or explain some more later. And i do research mainstream music media on my own and see how it works.

[CoopALoop]

CoopALoop: Justin Chanceller plays bass. I think you mean Danny Carey, the drummer...

He uses a custom bronze kit I believe. Both acoustic and electric (simmons trigger pads) with a roland MC-505 and other goodies. Try http://www.paiste.com or http://www.dannycarey.com or use google.

.
oh sorry about the confusion, i wanted Justin Chanceller, i'm a bassit sorry about the confusion :p

[CoopALoop]

yeah i agree with Canadian bassist, i got into tool form my dad, he had Lateralus hagin around i listened to it, loved it, and went out and Bought Aenima, still i've only seen 2 tool vids, sober and schism

[BlinDecsent]

haha I bought Aenima without hearing one track off it. Best 28$ I ever spent. That seems like such an understatment. That is my faovorite cd and my first time listening to it was the greatest musical experience of my life thus far.

[sidus]

Ill be as brief as is in my nature to be brief with this. First off, all this religious mumbo jumbo is crock. One of the only things TOOL has ever let the public directly about themselves, without the subtleties of sarcasm of wit, is "think for yourself, question authority." Thats a Timothy Leary quote, look it up. So, its important to understand that they would have nothing to do with any organized religion beyond personal spirituality, although Im sure they all have a vast knowledge of theology, especially ol' MJK. Also, please understand that most of what the band says, be it in songs or interviews, is them being smart asses. Theyre really quite hilarious if you pay close attention. SO, with that in mind, lets look at the albums. Opiate, they established their sound, their sense of humor, and their bitterness (for lack of a better word) towards religion. Nuff said. Undertow, a look into human emotions. Think about that with the entire album. Theres desperation, theres this feeling of being sucked in. Get it? No? Ok... Aenima. Social statement. I carroused other posts on this thread. Lots of talk about Eulogy. Heres my opinion. The album is trying to bring our attention to the fact that we are becoming sheep. Eulogy is expressing peoples focus on false idols, most notable those on the TeeVee. Stinkfist, fisting is indeed a strong metaphor for our culture's desensitized state. We have no sense of reality anymore. I think its funny. Anyway...Lateralus. Fine piece of work. If youll note, the band clearly states that the one song they are most proud of is Lateralus itself (forgive me I can never remember the difference in spelling between the album and the song). Hint hint, Danny Carey is a big fan of the Fibonnacci sequence, which is clearly part of the Lateralus (song) structure, so would it not make sense that the album's "secret" sequence between designed on the fibonacci sequence as well? Sure, I myself did this, put the songs in this order: 1,2,3,5,8,13,4,6,7,9,10,11,12. Fibonacci first, then non-fibonacci. Its fantastic. Blah blah blah, Lateralus examines spirituality and is very mathematic and the time signature in Schism is split and thats why its called Schism and I have **** to do so Im out. BTW, Im Sidus on TA, case theres any TAers out there.

[Merkaba]

...i would say that the song is called schism, and thats why the time signature is split

[Merkaba]

haha I bought Aenima without hearing one track off it. Best 28$ I ever spent. That seems like such an understatment. That is my faovorite cd and my first time listening to it was the greatest musical experience of my life thus far.


28$??????????????

where do you live, antartica?

[Merkaba]

yeah i agree with Canadian bassist, i got into tool form my dad, he had Lateralus hagin around i listened to it, loved it, and went out and Bought Aenima, still i've only seen 2 tool vids, sober and schism

Your dad!! Now thats Kick ***!!

how old are you and your dad by the way?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Here is a link to my kit. Bet ya can't guess what drummer inspired it! I'll put up some more links when I get the rest of the parts in for it this week... You need to scroll down to the bottom of the page.....

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222631&page=10&pp=25

Dammit, why did i expet to hear a snare/kick, etc everytime I put my mouse over one!

Seriously though,how much did that set up set you back?

Im not sure if there is any truth to this statement, but it seems that Tool have the most expensive set ups for a band. Danny's is obvious, Adam's rig is immense, and Justin cetinally doesn't hold back on his pedals (still looking for his rig setup link). And then the kaviar costs for maynard......

[sidus]

...i would say that the song is called schism, and thats why the time signature is split
Thanks for the insight.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Sup Medopalis, cool to see you posting in here

There are many ideas on underlying themes to 13th step, but the drug/general addiction seems to be the most common. Although Maynard or Billy have never publicy confirmed or denied this fact, its seems logical, especially when looking into more of the songs deeper meanings. Although as for failing the program, it seems mor elogical (as has been said before) that since the last line on the album "I choose to live" that he has reformed.

Just my/others thoughts in a nutshell

[feelsoinvincible]

Ill be as brief as is in my nature to be brief with this. First off, all this religious mumbo jumbo is crock. One of the only things TOOL has ever let the public directly about themselves, without the subtleties of sarcasm of wit, is "think for yourself, question authority." Thats a Timothy Leary quote, look it up. So, its important to understand that they would have nothing to do with any organized religion beyond personal spirituality, although Im sure they all have a vast knowledge of theology, especially ol' MJK. Also, please understand that most of what the band says, be it in songs or interviews, is them being smart asses. Theyre really quite hilarious if you pay close attention. SO, with that in mind, lets look at the albums. Opiate, they established their sound, their sense of humor, and their bitterness (for lack of a better word) towards religion. Nuff said. Undertow, a look into human emotions. Think about that with the entire album. Theres desperation, theres this feeling of being sucked in. Get it? No? Ok... Aenima. Social statement. I carroused other posts on this thread. Lots of talk about Eulogy. Heres my opinion. The album is trying to bring our attention to the fact that we are becoming sheep. Eulogy is expressing peoples focus on false idols, most notable those on the TeeVee. Stinkfist, fisting is indeed a strong metaphor for our culture's desensitized state. We have no sense of reality anymore. I think its funny. Anyway...Lateralus. Fine piece of work. If youll note, the band clearly states that the one song they are most proud of is Lateralus itself (forgive me I can never remember the difference in spelling between the album and the song). Hint hint, Danny Carey is a big fan of the Fibonnacci sequence, which is clearly part of the Lateralus (song) structure, so would it not make sense that the album's "secret" sequence between designed on the fibonacci sequence as well? Sure, I myself did this, put the songs in this order: 1,2,3,5,8,13,4,6,7,9,10,11,12. Fibonacci first, then non-fibonacci. Its fantastic. Blah blah blah, Lateralus examines spirituality and is very mathematic and the time signature in Schism is split and thats why its called Schism and I have **** to do so Im out. BTW, Im Sidus on TA, case theres any TAers out there.
well there isnt a difference in the spelling of lateralus unless you got one of the early copies where its called lateralis.. i think it was just a typo :thumb:

[bebubly]

i'm tired so i haven't much to say...but medopalis...BUY LATERALUS?!?! :thumb:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Dont you worry about Mr Medopalis...ill make him buy it, I have da POWER!


Why did i just speak like that :upset:

[Dancin' Man]

Any news on the new album?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

None thas new im afraid. As soon as there is, its going in here. Although the APC DVD release date gives me something to look forwrd to in the meantime

[CoopALoop]

Your dad!! Now thats Kick ***!!

how old are you and your dad by the way?

I'm 16
hes liek 43

[deadohiosky9]

Dude thats f.ucking awesome. If I could get my dad into Tool, then dam.n. That would be awesome.

[Cort2003]

Dude my friend Jakob thinks the song "46 & 2" is about excercising?!?!?! The song is clearly about emotional evolution, but he doesn't believe in evolution of any kind. Let me explain what 46 & 2 means, there are three totally different kinds of humans on the Earth, meaning that they perceive the One reality in three different ways, interpreted differently. The first kind of human has a chromosome composition of 42+2. They comprise a unity consciousness that does not see anything outside themselves as being separate from themselves. To them, there is only one energy - one life, one beingness that moves everywhere. Anything happening anywhere is within them, as well. They are like cells in the body. They are all connected to a single consciousness that moves through all of them. These are the aboriginals in Australia. There might be a few African tribes left like this. Then, there is our level, comprising 44+2 chromosomes. We are a disharmonic level of consciousness that is used as a steppingstone from the 42+2 level to the next level, 46+2...These two additional chromosomes change everything. The 46+2 chromosomes represent the next evolution in humans, but the song is not exactly about physical evolution.

When Maynard says:
I'm down
Digging through
My old muscles
Looking for a clue.

My friend Jakob interpreted that as someone finding a reason to work-out by thinking of the ones that called them weak, which would give them an insperation to excersise.

I believe that it means that this person is trying to find a way to better them selves, by learning from their mistakes.

I've been crawling on my belly
Clearing out what could've been.
I've been wallowing in my own confused
And insecure delusions
For a piece to cross me over
Or a word to guide me in.
I wanna feel the changes coming down.
I wanna know what I've been hiding in

Jakob believes that this is the actual work-out process, where this person is crawling on their belly, deciding what to do next that will make them stronger.

I think that it means that this person is struggling and is having a hard time getting back up (emotionally), and is looking for some kind of outlet for the pain that they are enduring.

My shadow.
Change is coming through my shadow.
My shadow's shedding skin
I've been picking
My scabs again

Jakob believe's the changing shadow is a result of someone getting buffer and buffer

I believe that the person has found a way to better themself and is noticing the changes.

I choose to live and to
Grow, take and give and to
Move, learn and love and to
Cry, kill and die and to
Be paranoid and to
Lie, hate and fear and to
Do what it takes to move through.

Jakob thinks that this means the person is literally growwing in strength, and that the person is getting more frustrated with his enemies so they work-out even harder.

I believe that this refers to the old saying "What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.".

See my shadow changing,
Stretching up and over me.
Soften this old armor.
Hoping I can clear the way
By stepping through my shadow,
Coming out the other side.
Step into the shadow.
Forty six and two are just ahead of me.

Jakob believes that this means that the person is going so over the top with working-out, that they are losing control.

I thik it means that they are being consumed by their feelings and that they are looking for a way to get rid of their problems by stepping through their shadow when their moment of bliss just ahead of them.

What do you guys think the song is about?

[CoopALoop]

your interpretation on that song does make sense, but you always have to remember, you can never be wrong, unless you come up with some stupid answer like your friend Jakob :p

ya my dad loves teh band Tool

[Cort2003]

Here is my summed up idea of the song: I believe the song is about self-acceptence, and finding your own way of bettering your self. Hence "Emotional Evolution", if that helps.

[SonorKen]

Well, your friend Jakob has probably won the award for the absolute worse interpretation of a Tool song. It is about human evolution, not emotional evoloution. This song ties into several other Tool songs and all with the same goal, evolve into a more advanced human. Whew, this is going to be a LONG LONG post.

I have researched Metaphysics for years. Hence one of the reasons I became such a huge Tool fan, they study Metaphysics as well. Alot of thier songs tie together. I'll give you a brief overview of some Metaphysical ideas and you can tie the songs together and probably get a better idea of what they are trying to convey through thier music.

Ok, to start all this off you have think about different dimensions and human evolution. We currently live in the 3rd dimenstion. While we live in this dimension our body has 44&2 chromosoms. Now, some believe that there are ways to move from our present dimension into the 4th. To do this one must study sacred geometry and understand how the basic universe was created. All things living are carbon based.

Sacred Geometry is a way to geometrically explain all things created and living. The flower of life is the basis for everything, as is carbon. The human body is surrounded by 3 star tetrahedrans. 2 of these are actively moving, the 3rd is stationary. To move from the 3rd to the 4th dimension several things need to happen theoretically. Firstly your body my evolve into having 46&2 chromosomes (Hence what the 46&2 Tool song is about). The theory is that to begin the transformation the Pineal Gland must be stimulated. The Pineal Gland is also called the "Third Eye" (Tool Song). Once this Pineal Gland is stimulated it theoretically creates a hormone which will cause the transformation of the human body. How a person activates the Pineal Gland is done through self meditation called Mantra (Tool Song). Ok, now. Lets imagine that we have stimulated our Pineal Gland and have evolved our bodies into having 46&2 Chromosomes. Now, through meditation we will begin to move the 3rd Star Tetrahedran. When this Tetrahedran moves along with the other 2 a "Merkaba" (Tool Song) is created. This Merkaba is basically a vehicle to move from one dimesnion to the next.

There are theories that people can move between the different dimensions. One of these people is Drunvalo Melchizedek. There is so much to research about him that I won't even go into him and will leave this for you to do. Be wary of bull**** web sites who claim to be this person as they are pretty much full of ****.

This is a very basic run down of some of the Metaphysical studies Tool is involved with. The great thing about Tool is how the music actually is the process for them to relate to these topics and the lyrics kind of guide a person along. In this one post I have clued you in on enough stuff that could literally take years to research.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Well, your friend Jakob has probably won the award for the absolute worse interpretation of a Tool song. It is about human evolution, not emotional evoloution. This song ties into several other Tool songs and all with the same goal, evolve into a more advanced human. Whew, this is going to be a LONG LONG post.


A long one, but well worth it. I must praise you highly for such an insight, and a interpretation that goes deeper with facts and information. I really would like to understand more now (im a glutton for information),could you recommend any starting points of where to look? Like sites, or books?


When this Tetrahedran moves along with the other 2 a "Merkaba" (Tool Song) is created. This Merkaba is basically a vehicle to move from one dimesnion to the next.

I was told that Merkaba is an Egyptian term and part of their ancient culture, although thats as much as I have heard. Is there any truth to that, or is it more of a universal expression?

[SonorKen]

I have heard the Merkaba is an Egyptian term but it was quite a while ago. It was a dis-proved theory pretty quick as the origin and word make up of Merkaba has no ancient Egyptian associations.

I'll have to actually think of a proper sequence of books for you to start reading. I didnt find any of the reading difficult but some of the people I am friends with who have researched the same books have had problems comprehending alot of it. If you get a chance contact me on AIM and well try to work out a book list. AIM = SniffinLippy

[SonorKen]

Dammit, why did i expet to hear a snare/kick, etc everytime I put my mouse over one!

Seriously though,how much did that set up set you back?

Im not sure if there is any truth to this statement, but it seems that Tool have the most expensive set ups for a band. Danny's is obvious, Adam's rig is immense, and Justin cetinally doesn't hold back on his pedals (still looking for his rig setup link). And then the kaviar costs for maynard......

I think the reasons they use such elaborate equipment is to allow them the perfect tones and have less restrictions on thier music. I have the same thought with my kit. Each drum and cymbal has its own voice and its up to me to compose those voices to get a point across.

As far as the price on that kit its pushing the $20,000.00 range right now. That includes everything from electronics, mics, effect processors, equalizers, to cases and cables.

[ænima]

you can have a look at the new A Perfect Circle single 'imagine' and see the covers of thier new cd and dvd! eMOTIVe/aMOTION (good names i think)

yer 1000th post!

[ænima]

ohh **** with all the excitment of posting the 1000th post i forgot to say you find this on thier main site www.apecfectcircle.com :thumb:

[an_underused_memory]

jakob and his exercising 46 + 2 interpretation just goes to show that there's many possible interpretations of a song...none wrong, and but possibly all incorrect....
if that makes sense.
AJ is GOd - I thought MJK or Billy had refered specifically to 13th step being about addiction in interveiws...i'll have to research and see ...

With all the indepth metaphysics and sacred geometry that satgefright mentioned, it brought to midn an old tool site...does it still exist?
innuendo cornucopaeia
it had very intricate articaltes about the background to all these theories and more that are relevent to tool ....

[ticks_&_leeches]

A Perfect Circle: Weak and Powerless

Tool is the greatest!!! You all know the lyrics "someone feed the monkey while in dig in search of china white as dracula as i approach the bottom". It means something to me b/c I can kinda relate to what I think maynard is trying to say. To me it means and individual like me or you struggling through out life stumbling all the way. Diging their hole deeper (towards china). and being weak and powerless about it. That describes my life. I had heard of tool and only listened to them every once and a while. since I've really got it to tool, I have a new found respect for music and a huge respect for the band. Maynard is a Lyrical GOD! Danny is the best drummer ALIVE!! Thanks alot and take care.

[Bloodlust]

tools da ****

[Bloodlust]

post count ++

[SonorKen]

sweet tight lingures, you will not spam here. Enjoy your 2 week ban.....

[Kingofdudes]

thank you the guy sucked at making threads.

For this not to be spam, Justin Chancellor is one of my favorite bassists now thanks to Lateralus.

[TOOLphreak_46and2]

hey everybody, i just heard an amazing song by tool on the radio, ive never really paid attention to them and now i want to get an album. Any suggestions on what album to get

wow...i dont even know where to begin....every CD by TOOL is awesome....i cant really choose for you man!! i hope you start getting into TOOL more! they kick major @$$ and Maynard knows how to make ppl stop and think! but i will agree with the other guy who said to get Ænema( or Ænima) hell....whatever!!! different ppl different way i guess.....!!! but have fun with the CD! lOuD iS lOvE

[Paranoidd]

I just listened to the whole Tool discography.

Interesting to really hear the progression of sound.

[TruthIsATrainWreck]

I'm excited for the new APC album. Maynard never fails to suprise us all.

[xtreme450]

i don't know about you, but i'd like to slip into maynards head for a little bit. if it's scary, i'd get out, but if its as calm and serene as i think it is, i'd stay for awhile and take a vacation.

[the_zeus]

Whats your fav TooL album? for me, its gotta be a toss up between Lateralus and Aenemia

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I'll have to actually think of a proper sequence of books for you to start reading. I didnt find any of the reading difficult but some of the people I am friends with who have researched the same books have had problems comprehending alot of it. If you get a chance contact me on AIM and well try to work out a book list. AIM = SniffinLippy

Added you, but ill have to work out some books next week, as im away for a while. But I would really love to know more, something a bit more challenging than some of the run of the mill 'learn a fact, move to the next' style.

[ThePatient]

None thas new im afraid. As soon as there is, its going in here. Although the APC DVD release date gives me something to look forwrd to in the meantime

When is the dvd supposed to come out?