Tool

[clearvision]

OIC :( Just look on a website...

[G_Mac07]

The only thing that might better that combo, is if NiN and Tool tour together

I should be getting tickets for NIN next week :D

[Adam Jones is GOD]

ATTN:AJG:

http://s48.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=03MGFSP540E7F0R57QX7DS4Z17

:)

:D

Thank you v'much.

[Futuro]

so ....... could i maybe take over for sober....i really like that song

[clearvision]

On drums, go for it :)

I don't think it's wise to finalise who is doing what untill they actually do it :)

[Guitar Symphony]

I heard fripp was going to help make the new album

[Futuro]

ok ill try to set up recording stuff now...ill hopefully have sober and stinkfist up soon.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Yeah, give me some drums for sober. Trouble is, I would need JoZ to do a bass only track for it too.

i was just playing along to Lateralus CD, I cant now :( I can only play to the bass/drum tracks now, otherwise I try too hard to follow Adam exactly.

[Jom]

Hey guys, first post from me here... sorry to interrupt your cover act, but I need someone's help, please.

I swapped albums with someone from Poland recently. I YSI'd her two albums, and vice versa. One of the albums I received was Lateralus.

The only problem is that, according to Sputnik, there are 13 tracks on the album, but she only sent me 12 songs.

Plus, all the files are in Polish, and I only know a little bit.

So, I was wondering if I'm missing a song, or if it's accurate. I know the last track is "hidden," but I'm still not positive:

Note: song number /// length

01 /// 8:36
02 /// 7:14
03 /// 1:14
04 /// 6:49
05 /// 3:06
06 /// 6:05
07 /// 8:12
08 /// 9:26
09 /// 4:48
10 /// 11:09
11 /// 8:48
12 /// 2:39

Does she have the songs out of order or something? I'm horribly confused, since I haven't heard this album.

I appreciate any help.

[clearvision]

Sureley follwing adam = good?

I think JoZ would gladly re-record, cutting out the background noise etc if it was for the cover thread, he just threw those versions together for us i thinks...

[Adam Jones is GOD]

^^ Its missing Eon Blue Apocalypse. The rest seems right


And ROb following Adam after playing by memory from so long isnt good, as i've developed so many variations,its like playing a different song at times. Like the patient, after the muted opening riff, every other rif has some slight difference from the original.

I would tab out the version I play at some point, jsut to compare to the actual version.

[clearvision]

You ar missing eon blue apocolypse...get a track list off amazon and I'll upload eon for you... :)

AJIG I had this one covered *fist shake*

[Jom]

Ah, thank you very much, guys. I appreciate it.

[Otherside]

Hey Jom, here's the track your missing.

Tool - Eon Blue Apocalypse (http://s41.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0JJ782GBO36VB0S0KSGZAV63WZ)

[Jom]

Awesome, thanks Otherside.

Good luck on your project, guys. I look forward to hearing it :)

[clearvision]

1. The Grudge
2. Eon Blue Apocalypse
3. The Patient
4. Mantra
5. Schism
6. Parabol
7. Parabola
8. Ticks & Leeches
9. Lateralis
10. Disposition
11. Reflection
12. Triad
13. Faaip De Oiad

http://s11.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=132DCOZEJJNHU0B2ATYXO077P3

...:)

EDIT : How much of an owning was that :angry:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

You usd all your speed up yesterday rob :p

[clearvision]

I know, i was the quickest poster in the game yesterday (not including brum or ICB)

I still have my tally of snypes and doubles :)

[Jom]

I didn't visit Amazon yet, so I'll gladly take that tracklist, clearvision.

I can finally read the tracks in a language that I'm fluent in :p

This is just to see if I want to buy the album or not. Again, I haven't heard anything from them, so... this will do for now.

Thanks again, everyone.

[clearvision]

You will be the album, i almost garuntee it.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Well at least you know a few Polish words now Jom.

And let us know when you buy the album, as we will know if you havent

:mafia:

[clearvision]

*Jumps in black car*

*Speeds away to the sounds of The Grudge*

I kinda like aMOTION, don't really know why it was so badly recieved, it was only a bonus with the DVD.

[Syncratic]

Do you guys know where I can see Tool videos on the web without downloading them?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I think it was just part of the 'WOO HOO! eMOTIVE sucks! Something we can complain about MJK at last without being flamed' backlash. People either confused it, or assumed it was just as bad

[clearvision]

http://toolshed.down.net

I think has them...

But you're always downloading a video, even if its only into your temp folder.


http://musictelevisionsucks.com is the best place for vids...

[Futuro]

jozs bassline doesnt match the song for sober or stinkfist. i recorded the tracks but there way off time and i did mine to the actual cd

[Adam Jones is GOD]

You sure it doesnt fit Stinkfist? Im pretty sure thats one of his closer ones

But yeah, sober seems off, I had trouble timing it to the actual album track.

[Futuro]

yup the file you sent me he is off on it

[clearvision]

He plays with midis people!!!

Which means it's someones interpretation of his song, it's not gonna match the CD.

I think he has extra bars in stinkfist, i remember someone saying...

Our best bet is to track him down and ask him for the midis he used. this will allow us to look through powertab/Guitar pro/sibelius/whatever the hell you want at what he is playing so we can play accordingly, i just went with my ear on aenima but i only did a simple part really, you're gonna need to know what parts to play when with the drums...

[Futuro]

if we all just recorded the cd it would be alot easier

[Jom]

Drew has contact information in his AIM profile.

/weak contribution

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Its goig to be tough doing some of these songs, as even if you used the drums as the base pattern, there are some bass trigger notes for the drummer to listen for, then the same woth guitar and vox. Hopefully we can all be singing (strumming and bashing) to the same song sheet in some way.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Drew has contact information in his AIM profile.

/weak contribution

He's on msn all the time, but is usually not there. He's like me, logs in and forgets he has.

Plus he's busy with his demo I imagine

[Futuro]

hmmmm he said something before about harmony assistant is that what he used? for the programmed drums

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Possibly. It comes up each time I play his tracks, so that likely where he got them from

[Jom]

I know, but I'm sure he checks his e-mail regularly, AJIG :p

[clearvision]

Harmony assistant is exactly the same as powertab/guitar pro/whatever he just imported a midi and played off it, you can hear it in the background...if we get him to send us the midis we will all have the same sheet.

Antihero, still here? listened to lateralus yet?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I know, but I'm sure he checks his e-mail regularly, AJIG :p

But I dont like bothering people. I'm very timid.

Failing that, ill prepare a mass spam attack on his msn reminding him :D

[clearvision]

:lol: get that thign that doesn't limit the amount of nudges you send...click for 10mins...if he's in, he is sure to return/wake up/whatever...

Finally beat kages postcount again :)

EDIT : Now i can ease off on the posting in this thread :)

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I have moral objectives to nudges. Pain in the arse when you're trying to some form of work on your PC, and someone starts a convo with a nudge

[Kage]

:lol: get that thign that doesn't limit the amount of nudges you send...click for 10mins...if he's in, he is sure to return/wake up/whatever...

Finally beat kages postcount again :)

EDIT : Now i can ease off on the posting in this thread :)
I knew that's why you were posting so much, you bastard.

[clearvision]

I have moral objectives to nudges. Pain in the arse when you're trying to some form of work on your PC, and someone starts a convo with a nudge

Pssh you have objections to everything... emailing, nudging...

Kage: Well i passed you before, and i looked the other day and was like :eek: better pull my finger out :p

[Jom]

It doesn't matter, because I'm going to top AJIG's postcount ITT by July.

/is definitely kidding :)

I'm going to listen to the first part of Lateralus as I go walk the dog, clearvision. I'll let you know how it goes when I make my [triumphant] return.

[Otherside]

I only have 184 posts in this thread :(

:looser:

[clearvision]

It doesn't matter, because I'm going to top AJIG's postcount ITT by July.

/is definitely kidding :)

I'm going to listen to the first part of Lateralus as I go walk the dog, clearvision. I'll let you know how it goes when I make my [triumphant] return.

Let it run up to disposition... :) you won't be dissapointed.

[Otherside]

So I'm going to go out CD hunting soon, does anyone know how hard it is to find Isis cds? Like, could I go out and find one at Barnes and Noble, or would I have to find some store thats dedicated to only selling CDs?

[Phototropic]

So I'm going to go out CD hunting soon, does anyone know how hard it is to find Isis cds? Like, could I go out and find one at Barnes and Noble, or would I have to find some store thats dedicated to only selling CDs?

I saw them in HMV the other day,

Panopticon, Oceanic and I missed Celestial but my mate found it

I just ordered a few off amazon.co.uk

I don't think you could pick them up just anywhere to be honest

[Jom]

Let it run up to disposition... :) you won't be dissapointed.

In case you missed my response in the comm. thread:

clearvision: I'll be picking up Lateralus on my next CD excursion. I saw your post about letting it run to Disposition, but I don't take my dogs on hour-long walks :p

I think I ended in the middle of Parabola. I hadn't heard that song, but apparently it was a single? :oblivious:

:)

Thanks again for everyone's help earlier, by the way. I did appreciate it.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Tool have never released a single. They came close with Schisim, but only radio releases have ever happened.

They have doen several great videos though, and Parabola was one of them (probably the best too)

[Jom]

Leave it to the gurus to correct me :o

I've only seen the Schism video, I think. And one from Undertow... I think it was Sober. I can hear the song in my head, but that might not be the correct song name.

I'm obviously not a Tool guru :ashamed:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

No need to feel shame my child. We're still no match for the Pink Floyd monks though, However, I think we can take on the iron maiden priests in a somewhat epic encounter.

(would be one hell of a drum off)

[Futuro]

hmmm if i could drum for another cover band it would be zepplin(so laid back:lol:)

so how are we gonna record this time,or do you want me to record directly from Joz's bassline?

[Moseswasbanned]

Hey all, it's letmypeopleho here. I got banned during the spam attack, isn't that just dandy?

I have an update on the vox in that version of part of me. I can't get the reverb out of the first line so, meh.

Anyway here it is.
http://s45.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2PFBDV5J3SKMP1Q3T7DVYVSVMK

[Dude3]

Hey all, it's letmypeopleho here. I got banned during the spam attack, isn't that just dandy?

I have an update on the vox in that version of part of me. I can't get the reverb out of the first line so, meh.

Anyway here it is.


http://s45.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0RB74JN04HCB03KUV43HS7XBYG
How did you get banned?
If anyone should've got banned, it would be me. My "Community Service" started the whole Pron thing, with my picture of Jenna Haze.

[Moseswasbanned]

How did you get banned?
If anyone should've got banned, it would be me. My "Community Service" started the whole Pron thing, with my picture of Jenna Haze.
I got banned because I spammed one too many times and someone said "ban him, ban him" so I guess they banned me.

It was also the night that it happened during the second spam attack, so maybe they were more strict about it.

[Dude3]

I got banned because I spammed one too many times and someone said "ban him, ban him" so I guess they banned me.

It was also the night that it happened during the second spam attack, so maybe they were more strict about it.
That sucks. I'm really suprised I didn't get banned. VERY SURPISED.


:cool:

[Moseswasbanned]

I messed up on that upload. This is the one I wanted.

http://s45.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2PFBDV5J3SKMP1Q3T7DVYVSVMK

[Spiritofmosa]

I think he means the symbols on the CD booklet...
in the booklet ,,, its looks like jap words really.... and in the booklet there are images, no eng lyrics.. is this a japanese version or what

i'm talking about APC Mer de Noms here

[BurtonChancellor]

Update on the Tool site. Nothing special, but Blair mentions they're "assembling/recording a rather monstrous piece of music", which I would assume is that 18 minute song that keeps on getting mentioned. And hey, at least it might be a sign that they've moved from the songwriting process onto recording/mixing. It ain't much, but I'll take anything that might mean the album's coming sometime in the forseeable future.

[Darkness]

the meantime, there’s always the rumor mill, and those who make up their own album titles and release dates… and do a pretty good job at that!

I'm starting to think that August 16th dvd titled tele... whatever it was called thing may be a bit of a hoax?

[BurtonChancellor]

That would surprise me less than if it turned out to be true.

[Futuro]

hmmmm....18 minuets....thats longer than third eye.....awsome!!!

[Lateralias]

Blair has a very strange form of writing.. hard to understand what he's trying to get across sometimes.. and unfortunately he isn't trying to get anything across at times...
Meh... to me it isn't any news.. just more Blair rubbish..

[BlindWriting]

in the booklet ,,, its looks like jap words really.... and in the booklet there are images, no eng lyrics.. is this a japanese version or what

i'm talking about APC Mer de Noms here
No, you have the normal version. They're just symbols, though Maynard, in his typical Maynard attitude, said that they do mean something.

On a completely different note, do we have any Porcupine Tree fans here? I got Deadwing a few weeks ago, and I love it. Great experimental prog rock, with a bit of a psychadelic touch to it. Steve Wilson has a great voice, the drummer and bassist are fantastic, and Adrian Belew from King Crimson and Mikael Akerfeldt from Opeth do some great guest guitar solos.

[Spiritofmosa]

No, you have the normal version. They're just symbols, though Maynard, in his typical Maynard attitude, said that they do mean something.

On a completely different note, do we have any Porcupine Tree fans here? I got Deadwing a few weeks ago, and I love it. Great experimental prog rock, with a bit of a psychadelic touch to it. Steve Wilson has a great voice, the drummer and bassist are fantastic, and Adrian Belew from King Crimson and Mikael Akerfeldt from Opeth do some great guest guitar solos.
cool

[Werny]

Update on the Tool site. Nothing special, but Blair mentions they're "assembling/recording a rather monstrous piece of music", which I would assume is that 18 minute song that keeps on getting mentioned. And hey, at least it might be a sign that they've moved from the songwriting process onto recording/mixing. It ain't much, but I'll take anything that might mean the album's coming sometime in the forseeable future.

They've been recording for ages, in the updates they've mentioned Danny saying they got another song recorded with some vocals from Maynard that he's excited about, and I think they mentioned LK (the 18 minute song) being finished, so that's at least 2 songs recorded.

The song he speaks of isn't LK, because they've already assembled it and at least started recording it. I wonder if he means "monstrous" as in it's lengthy, or "monstrous" as in it's heavy. I hope it's the heavy one.

This is one thing I'm excited about; with this album Maynard is doing lyrics and vocals when the others are playing, not like Lateralus which had Maynard layering vocals and writing lyrics after the whole album was done.
It's not bad in Lateralus, you can't notice, but when you do know it lessens the whole album, for me at least, so I'm glad about this change.

Need.... new... record.... NOW....

[clearvision]

Part of me is ok, you tend to sing through your nose too much though...the 'you are a part of me' bit was cool though...

I'm trying not to complain too much because my voice is actually atrocious so i don't really have a foot to stand on.

/runs off to slit blairs throat :)

[Moseswasbanned]

I have a feeling we'll be killed by the Opeth thread. I might be doing some growling vox for them.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/writePage.cfm?myType=_music&bandid=332764&bandnamesave=drjakedestructo


My Sober. I've been dying to post that, but I couldn't due to the spambots, and I was out last night, so here you guys are. It's not sync'd with any particular version. It's pretty rough, but tell me what to work on anyways.

[Darkness]

I have a feeling we'll be killed by the Opeth thread. I might be doing some growling vox for them.
Heh, I may be doing vocals for the drapery falls growls.

[Moseswasbanned]

Heh, I may be doing vocals for the drapery falls growls.
I remember reading that your throat burned after you were done singing the growling part for that. You must have a different technique than I do, because death growls are as easy as talking for me.

[Darkness]

Hehe... yeah I did kinda mess up my throat last night. I definalty over did it, but I nailed the part. I thought it sounded good, and I never think anything I do sounds good.


When are you going to post your sample? I'd like to hear it.


And as for the technique thing, a lot of it comes from my gut but I just use my throat to almost project it. Its kinda hard to explain.

[Moseswasbanned]

Hehe... yeah I did kinda mess up my throat last night. I definalty over did it, but I nailed the part. I thought it sounded good, and I never think anything I do sounds good.


When are you going to post your sample? I'd like to hear it.


And as for the technique thing, a lot of it comes from my gut but I just use my throat to almost project it. Its kinda hard to explain.
Whenever my family gets out of the house and I have time. Which will probably be tonight or tomorrow night.

The way I do it is I drop my adams apple and push from the bottom.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/writePage.cfm?myType=_music&bandid=332764&bandnamesave=drjakedestructo


My Sober. I've been dying to post that, but I couldn't due to the spambots, and I was out last night, so here you guys are. It's not sync'd with any particular version. It's pretty rough, but tell me what to work on anyways.

One step ahead of you. I spotted your link in Other Music before it was shut, so I downloaded it.

Its good stuff, nice tone, you've got the song down well. However your starting part is odd, I cant match it up to JoZ's bass, or the original track.

[clearvision]

We will own the opeth thread, we are covering a better band...

+ they aren't doing dirge for november...(the best opeth song.)

Hmm Jake did you play along to anything, your timing definateley seems off...nice tone at the start, not sure about the cleanish sound though...

[Adam Jones is GOD]

We will own the opeth thread, we are covering a better band...

+ they aren't doing The Moor...(the best opeth song.)

Hmm Jake did you play along to anything, your timing definateley seems off...nice tone at the start, not sure about the cleanish sound though...

Fix'd

[Darkness]

Hm... I donno. They plan on covering The Moor, or Blackwater Park. And the Drapery falls forsure.


...You guys aren't picking any god like Tool songs... at least not IMO.

You guys would own the Opeth thread if you were doing something like The Grudge, The Patient, Parabola (with parabol this would beat anything), Pu****, 46&2 etc. Ya know, the better Tool songs. Part of Me is a cool track, but its nothing compared to later Tool songs.

[clearvision]

Dirge for noveber > all :( Fixing my quotes :angry:

Oh and on the sober recording, whats up with the pedal switches, they took aaages at times...

I'm slowly piecing together the rest of aenima...anyone wanna do vox or am i gonna have to ruin it :(

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Hm... I donno. They plan on covering The Moor, or Blackwater Park. And the Drapery falls forsure.


...You guys aren't picking any god like Tool songs... at least not IMO.

You guys would own the Opeth thread if you were doing something like The Grudge, The Patient, Parabola (with parabol this would beat anything), Pu****, 46&2 etc. Ya know, the better Tool songs. Part of Me is a cool track, but its nothing compared to later Tool songs.

I would be up to do

The Patient
Stinkfist
Schisim
Or even the live version of Pushit

However, since I cant record, its down to the guys who can. Although im going to risk doing a direct line in from my amp to my crappy soundcard before I get a new one.

[clearvision]

To be honest, i don't think we have a vocalist that could handle the grudge, or push!t...plus the songs are so epic, it would be tough. Aenima is taking me ages to learn all the parts, I'm thinking of double tracking it, but AJIG would kill me, it would be a b!tch to line up and i don't think it will sound as good.

Obviously we should do third eye, but no-one has enough time to put into it to make it sound good, and although the parts are simple, it's all about tone, and apart from Kurrpt, everyone i've heard is lacking in that department...

[Adam Jones is GOD]

If you double track, then expect reduced quality :p

Be a nice challenge though.

[Darkness]

Well there you go man, Blackwater Park is 12 min, The Moor is 11, and the Drapery Falls is almost 11. A 3 min song (part of me) isn't ganna level up to something like that... Plus the Opeth thread seems to have a lot more guys ready to record the different guitars, theres more then enough vocalists etc.

[clearvision]

As i said, when i do sober it will be double tracked. But it aenima wouldn't be double tracked, i would just record it in about 8 sections, but i think the fluency would be wrecked, and it shows im more of a man if i have the stamina to last all 6:44

[Moseswasbanned]

Sober will turn out great I think, and Stinkfist maybe. Part of Me will probably end up not so good.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Im thinking that if length is an issue, we do a Tool medley. Most of the songs were doing can be linked in seamlessly with a little improv (Jerk Off -> Part Of Me --> Ænema --> Stinkfist woudl all flow well).

That way you get some monster 20 min+ Tool sesion to compete with their longer tracks

Im so annoyed I cant put guitar parts up still. I've been slaughtering Stinkfist recently, and its the 2nd most fun song to play ever

[clearvision]

Well there you go man, Blackwater Park is 12 min, The Moor is 11, and the Drapery Falls is almost 11. A 3 min song (part of me) isn't ganna level up to something like that... Plus the Opeth thread seems to have a lot more guys ready to record the different guitars, theres more then enough vocalists etc.

Have you ever tried singing a tool song? Maynards range is incredible...the part in push!t 'If you say i might fade like a sigh if i stay, you minimise my movements anyway' Is so high compared with other parts of the song...It's very difficult to find someone to do that...

I'd gladly change and do push!t or third eye, but I'd rather get aenima/part of me/sober sounding good than getting a shaky version of push!t or third eye.

[Darkness]

^Thats a good idea. Adam jones is gods idea that is.


Edit: Even if you did get a great sounding part of me, Opeth will still own you. Didn't Ken say that he'd get his singer (Seth I think his name was) to sing for your guys' covers? If Ken ever shows up be sure to ask him. That guys was incredible.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Yeah, I started off playing to Tool's version, then I just kind of did it on my own. :-/ Shoulda played along. :p

I've heard lots of crit about the flange tone, so I'll definitely fine tune that.

I personally think I need to fix the solo up a bit.

Ben-Yeah, I know I didn't do the opening chord (I think it's a bended B3 or something) Because I don't like how it sounds when I do it. I can't bend both strings correctly. Maybe I'll just playing the root note and call it good.

And Rob- About what I said about your Ænema track a while ago; What I said and what I meant were 2 different things. I said 'ouch' but what I really meant was back off on the gain. They're easily confusable It was a good recording. The tone was a more fit for Triad, I think. Meh

EDIT: I double tracked part of Sober. :D

The only monster Tool track that I can play is Ticks&Leeches. Actually, I can only play Ticks& proficiently enough to record. I struggle with the 3rd part a bit.

[Moseswasbanned]

Have you ever tried singing a tool song? Maynards range is incredible...the part in push!t 'If you say i might fade like a sigh if i stay, you minimise my movements anyway' Is so high compared with other parts of the song...It's very difficult to find someone to do that...

I'd gladly change and do push!t or third eye, but I'd rather get aenima/part of me/sober sounding good than getting a shaky version of push!t or third eye.
I think Aenima would be a good choice. I agree that Push!t would sound like ****.

[Darkness]

I think you guys should do Parabola. The vocals are awesome, but theres no incredible range there. Plus it would be like 10 min long if you guys did Parabol to.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Ben-Yeah, I know I didn't do the opening chord (I think it's a bended B3 or something) Because I don't like how it sounds when I do it. I can't bend both strings correctly. Maybe I'll just playing the root note and call it good.


Its a bend on the 12 fret G string, palyed alongside the 10th fret on the B string. Pre bend, tremelo pick it and slowly release the bend, that'll give you the effect.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I think you guys should do Parabola. The vocals are awesome, but theres no incredible range there. Plus it would be like 10 min long if you guys did Parabol to.

I asked my guitar if it wanted to go Drop B once. Hes still not speaking to me

[Moseswasbanned]

I think you guys should do Parabola. The vocals are awesome, but theres no incredible range there. Plus it would be like 10 min long if you guys did Parabol to.
I was also going to suggest that a while ago but the Parabol is hard to do correctly.

[Darkness]

What gauge strings? Use like .15s or something, those'll change his mind.

[Darkness]

I was also going to suggest that a while ago but the Parabol is hard to do correctly.
It is? its like 2 chords?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I've always wondered why I couldn't play Parabola correctly. It's in drop B. :lol:@me

The tab I have of Sober shows how to play it correctly, I just can't bend both strings at the same frequency, so it sounds horrendously out of tune, so I decided not to record it. When I do it again, I'll try it though.

EDIT: I put my gutair in drop c once. (SoaD lmao) It went out of tune in like 5 minutes.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

What gauge strings? Use like .15s or something, those'll change his mind.

I could string my Showmaster up with them, its curently in C with .11s (urgh). Im leaving my jackson in standard/D though.

Besides, its pointless, as I still have no way to record.

[clearvision]

:lol: I wasn't having a go just to have a go, i posted first time a minute into the recording, but later it became apparent that you need to time your pedal changes a little better...the flange just needs to be toned down a little, and try looking at some midi's of tool songs to get a feel for the little bits and the rythms and stuff...

[Darkness]

No 15 dollar computer mic?

[Moseswasbanned]

It is? its like 2 chords?
I meant the vocals.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I've always wondered why I couldn't play Parabola correctly. It's in drop B. :lol:@me

The tab I have of Sober shows how to play it correctly, I just can't bend both strings at the same frequency, so it sounds horrendously out of tune, so I decided not to record it. When I do it again, I'll try it though.

Just bend the G. Its similar to the bends Kirk whores all the time (Enter Sandman being the most off-my-head example).

It does require a gain reduction though to get it sounding ok, but some flange might clean up any crappy sound it produces

[Darkness]

I meant the vocals.
Oh sorry, were discussing guitar and I thought thats what you ment.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Yeah, Ben, just pick up a cheap computer mic. It's what I use and it's pretty good quality. At least temporarily it's fine.

Rob- Yeah, I'm gonna mess with the flange later on. Where would I get MIDI files? (I have powertabs, if that's what you mean)

EDIT TO BEN AGAIN: I tried playing it 2 different ways- First, I just played the G alone, and it sound good. Then, I played the G3, but I didn't bend the A, and that sounds even better. :D

[Moseswasbanned]

Oh sorry, were discussing guitar and I thought thats what you ment.
Though if the song is done right, we'll definately beat the Opeth thread. As long as the right atmosphere is created we should win this thing.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Yeah, Ben, just pick up a cheap computer mic. It's what I use and it's pretty good quality. At least temporarily it's fine.

Rob- Yeah, I'm gonna mess with the flange later on. Where would I get MIDI files? (I have powertabs, if that's what you mean)

Its the soundcard thats causing me the problems at the mo.

[clearvision]

I can hit that bend pretty well, it's meant to sound real discordant.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Allright, time for a Tool thread instant messanger circle jerk:

AIM- DrJakeDestructo
msn-spiralout7 @gmail.com

Now, post yours. I'd like to talk to some of you guys more about the covers and such.

/hopes his idea doesn't fail miserably

[clearvision]

mine is clearvisionmx

AIM that is...i can't attend, I'm supposed to be doing biology revision :(

[Adam Jones is GOD]

msn - joe_hahn_junior @ hotmail

Dont expect me to talk much though, especially not today (got KOTOR to play)

[Darkness]

somebodysomeone509@ hotmail.com

Even though I'm not really involved in the covers. :p

[Moseswasbanned]

Mine is for AIM letmypeopleho69.

[Darkness]

Wow this thread just died...

[clearvision]

About an hour ago :rolleyes:

[Darkness]

Yeah... I was a little late... :p

[Adam Jones is GOD]

For those who are too lazy to read Toolband.com



LISTEN, it’s great that so many fans of Tool’s music are so eager for specifics about the recording process, wanting song titles, track listings, the names and social security numbers of engineers and producers, and even the ability to download samples of the recording sessions! Unfortunately, at this point I’m not at liberty to reveal these things, but if and when the band decides that they want certain details to be made public (such as social security numbers), they will undoubtedly get posted on the band’s official site (where I still manage to sneak a few things in…shhhhhhh). In the meantime, there’s always the rumor mill, and those who make up their own album titles and release dates… and do a pretty good job at that!

[clearvision]

For those who are too lazy to flick back a couple pages to when it was first mentioned

Fix'd up!

:p

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Fix'd up!

:p

Well, its quoted again :evil:

I did think the mention before though was about the previous announcements. Oh well, should read better

[clearvision]

Heh revenge is sweet :evil:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

/calls quote fixing truce

[Otherside]

/calls quote fixing war

:mad: Let's do this.


Edit: Fine, I see how it is. I win by forfeit :p

[Jom]

/late

My Squier is in standard C with 11s. It keeps really, really good tone. You'd be surprised.

squier lmao

[Moseswasbanned]

Hey guys I really think we should do Parabol/Parabola.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

/late

My Squier is in standard C with 11s. It keeps really, really good tone. You'd be surprised.

squier lmao

Blitzkrieg Bop isn't in C...:lol:

/super old inside joke


Anyways, I was thinking about this whole competition thing, and I really think that if we don't do one of Tool's 'supertracks' we won't do as well as we could. I'm not saying that we shouldn't do the ones we're doing now, but I think it's going to be necesarry to tackle something like Lateralus or dare I say it, Third Eye. I think we have enough people with enough talent to pull something of that caliber off, but it would definitely be tough. :-/






or Parabol/a

[Otherside]

Blitzkrieg Bop isn't in C...:lol:

/super old inside joke


Anyways, I was thinking about this whole competition thing, and I really think that if we don't do one of Tool's 'supertracks' we won't do as well as we could. I'm not saying that we shouldn't do the ones we're doing now, but I think it's going to be necesarry to tackle something like Lateralus or dare I say it, Third Eye. I think we have enough people with enough talent to pull something of that caliber off, but it would definitely be tough. :-/






or Parabol/a

If you ask me, our line up should be:
Lateralus
Schism
Stinkfist
Eulogy

Any of those, we should probably stick to the less-obscure stuff, because it's extremely hard to pull of the Tool-esque sounds on stuff like Reflection and Third Eye.

[Moseswasbanned]

Parabol/a gets my vote. Or Ticks and Leeches.

[Dude3]

I go onto the Dissectional website, and I was thinking. Wouldn't it be cool if Tool secretly put clips of their new songs hidden in the website?

Also, I don't know if the website is frozen, or I stumbled onto something, but....I'm on Dissectional. It was at the loading screen, and it froze on "96%", kinda weird. Also, the background music/noise sounds really weird. It has a mix of the breathing typoe sound from the beginning of Aenima(the song), and some weird rotating sound, and a bunch of other crap. Also, if I move my mouse around, it turns into the hand a certain places(showing that you can click something), but nothing happens. Weird.

[Futuro]

Blitzkrieg Bop isn't in C...:lol:

/super old inside joke


Anyways, I was thinking about this whole competition thing, and I really think that if we don't do one of Tool's 'supertracks' we won't do as well as we could. I'm not saying that we shouldn't do the ones we're doing now, but I think it's going to be necesarry to tackle something like Lateralus or dare I say it, Third Eye. I think we have enough people with enough talent to pull something of that caliber off, but it would definitely be tough. :-/






or Parabol/a

i can pull off lateralus on drums perfect :D

[Dude3]

I also found a video game called Maynard's Dick in Dissectional. It has a weird version of Aenima, and the game is basically pacman.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

If you ask me, our line up should be:
Lateralus
Schism
Stinkfist
Eulogy

Any of those, we should probably stick to the less-obscure stuff, because it's extremely hard to pull of the Tool-esque sounds on stuff like Reflection and Third Eye.

Yeah, I just threw out Third Eye as an example. I think we've been totally overlooking Eulogy. It'd be a great track to do. I also talked to Chris/307/numbers/Jenny the 1st day of the lockdown, and he said that he wanted to do Eulogy. I think that would be lovely.

Lateralus would be cool. Stinkfist will be cool. Not so sure about Schism, though. :-/ Everyone has heard Schism, so it would be hard to cover because many people would have a preset disposition about the song. It would either be "I've heard that song, and I don't like it" or "I've heard that song, and the original is better." It could be different, but that's just my .02.

[Futuro]

i never got an answer about the drum tracks. are we gonna record to the cd or to the bassline joz laid down?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

JoZ said that he wanted to redo them anyways, so I think we should play to the drum tracks.

You wanna upload what you have?

To whoever mentioned doing Ticks&Leeches- How would you plan on doing vocals? I mean, it could be done, but with fairly tremendous side-effects. :p Remember, Maynard couldn't speak for 3 weeks after recording that. We could do it by perhaps modifying it, by doing a different kind of scream, and that may actually be better. It would show more originality. Feedback, plzkthx

[Futuro]

well im gonna nail the track first. but what should i use to upload them?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Either create a soundclick (http://www.soundclick.com) account and host them there, or you can also use YouSendIt (http://www.yousendit.com) and temporarily host your track there.

I just rerecorded Sober, but I don't want to upload it until later on tonight. I tried to sync it with JoZ's, but I am starting to think that there is something wrong with my computer or soundcard. I played exactly with the track, but I played it back, and the timing was good in the beginning, but it gradually began to slow down. I then tried to mess with the speed, and made it somewhat better, but still of bad quality. :-/ Anyone have a quick fix?

[joas]

Yeah, I just threw out Third Eye as an example. I think we've been totally overlooking Eulogy. It'd be a great track to do. I also talked to Chris/307/numbers/Jenny the 1st day of the lockdown, and he said that he wanted to do Eulogy. I think that would be lovely.

Lateralus would be cool. Stinkfist will be cool. Not so sure about Schism, though. :-/ Everyone has heard Schism, so it would be hard to cover because many people would have a preset disposition about the song. It would either be "I've heard that song, and I don't like it" or "I've heard that song, and the original is better." It could be different, but that's just my .02.


There's the song you should do instead for it.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I would love to do that song, but I doubt it could be pulled off. You can't really learn that song going note by note. It's just one 3 minute atmosphere. :p

[Darkness]

I still think you guys should do Parabol/a. It would definatly be awesome if done well. And I think its one of the few you guys could do properly. Stinkfist would be done well, but its a fairly basic song... nothing incredible. Lateralus would be amazing but thats also a hard song to do... anyways you get what I'm saying.

[Kage]

I would want to do Parabol/a, but I seem to recall that no one here had figured out the guitar part completely, and I'm not going through the Drop-B hell again. If someone had a 7-string and could play it, that would be good.

[Darkness]

Why not just buy a pack of 7 strings (for a sevan string guitar) and take off your low e and stick the b on. Thats what I do.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

I would want to do Parabol/a, but I seem to recall that no one here had figured out the guitar part completely, and I'm not going through the Drop-B hell again. If someone had a 7-string and could play it, that would be good.

I have a Guitar Mag where they have it tabbed out. Most of it is correct except for one part, but I know how to play that part perfectly. So, if you need help in figuring it out, just ask.

[Futuro]

parabola and lateralus are really good choices. can we figure out what songs we are gonna do before i record one though?

[Moseswasbanned]

The Zakk Wylde boomers has a 60 in there and that works fine for me. I just don't wanna do guitar for this.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

My vote(s) goes for Lateralus and Eulogy. Parabola is causing too much trouble. It would be great to do, but there are choices that would be just as good with much less hassle. :-/

If anyone is down to 'sing' Ticks & Leeches, I could do the guitar. Like I said before, this song would allow for the most originality and/or improv.

[Moseswasbanned]

I think our line-up should be:
Sober
Part of me
Parabol/a
Stinkfist

I am most definately down to sing Ticks and Leeches.

[Futuro]

My vote(s) goes for Lateralus and Eulogy. Parabola is causing too much trouble. It would be great to do, but there are choices that would be just as good with much less hassle. :-/

If anyone is down to 'sing' Ticks & Leeches, I could do the guitar. Like I said before, this song would allow for the most originality and/or improv.

tti.....titti......ticks and leeches *gulp* uhhhhhhh.........errrrr.

[Moseswasbanned]

I feel bad for the drummer. We're just talking about these songs that we forget have really hard drum parts.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Think of those songs though. Sober is just a simple 5 minute song. Good, yes, great, I wouldn't say so. Part of Me is the same. Parabol/a is amazing, yes, but it seems that noone wants to do the guitar part. Stinkfist could be great, but I don't think that would win us the competition.


EDIT: liptallica said that he can do Ticks & Leeches.

F+1-How close can you come on T&L?

[Moseswasbanned]

Come on guitarists. Dropping B can't be that hard, there has to be one of you that wants to win this for us. Just buy a 60+ guage string and that should be good enough.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

The Zakk Wylde boomers has a 60 in there and that works fine for me. I just don't wanna do guitar for this.

Why, may I ask?


EDIT: You know what I could do...I could use the whammy effect or the pitch shift effect on my RP300A to get drop B without tuning to drop B.

Nah, that would be cheap. :p Plus, I'm having recording dillemas. :-/

[Futuro]

Think of those songs though. Sober is just a simple 5 minute song. Good, yes, great, I wouldn't say so. Part of Me is the same. Parabol/a is amazing, yes, but it seems that noone wants to do the guitar part. Stinkfist could be great, but I don't think that would win us the competition.


EDIT: liptallica said that he can do Ticks & Leeches.

F+1-How close can you come on T&L?

hmmmmm..... well thats a hard song, but i can slow it down using gold wave and then try figure it out....but you might want sliptallica for this one.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Can you do Eulogy and The Grudge? I totally forgot about The Grudge. :p


Kage- Whenever you see this, did you ever record Stinkfist?

[Futuro]

Can you do Eulogy and The Grudge? I totally forgot about The Grudge. :p


Kage- Whenever you see this, did you ever record Stinkfist?

the grudge will take me a while to "NAIL" but i can do it. and eulogy has the first 2 minuets of wierd noises but besides that i can do the drum part.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

In the intro to Eulogy, what do you think Carey is playing with/hitting. It sounds like spoons hitting a metal countertop or something.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Does anyone else find that for guitar, the rhythms in "The Grudge" are a bit hard to nail. I'm mostly talking about the first 2 verses (I guess they're verses). You know, the "clutch it like a corner stone..." part. I find the guitar at that section and a couple other sections to be a bit tricky. Anyone agree?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I find the chorus to Lateralus to be pretty tricky. Switching time sigs each bar is a skill I have yet to master. :p

[Kage]

I find the chorus to Lateralus to be pretty tricky. Switching time sigs each bar is a skill I have yet to master. :p
True.

Jake, it occurs to me that I forgot what your MX name used to be before you chagned to it to Dr. Jake Destructo. It's been bugging me for awhile.

[Futuro]

I find the chorus to Lateralus to be pretty tricky. Switching time sigs each bar is a skill I have yet to master. :p

for guitar its fairly easy because you can think of it as a big bar of 6

9+8+7=24 24/4=6
but i guess the rythm might be hard at first, cool song :D

i had to edit it cause i suck at math

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

True.

Jake, it occurs to me that I forgot what your MX name used to be before you chagned to it to Dr. Jake Destructo. It's been bugging me for awhile.

It was a reference to one of your favorite bands- SoaD

Kombucha Mushroom Mofo. :p

now, did you record Stinkfist?

+1: 3 bars of 8 is easier for me. :p I can do it, but I have to think quite a bit first.

[jensmatty]

In the intro to Eulogy, what do you think Carey is playing with/hitting. It sounds like spoons hitting a metal countertop or something.

I think they're clavé. For the intro to eulogy, I actually listened through it and scored out all the electronics in the intro, and it sounds like the repeating clavé part is just a sample that plays, and he then plays the "pings" that are dotted semi-quavers over that, then introduces the shakers plays 8ths with some 16ths over that, then the pinging noise is replaced with another noise that sounds somewhat like different pitched wooden finger bells or whatever they're called, and then that rhythm is played with 2 different popping noises that have an echo on them. I have a score of it on another hard drive that's not in a computer... so if I can get it I'll post it. It's sibelius though.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Wow...That's a little more in depth than my spoon theory. :p wtf is a clavé?

[Kage]

It was a reference to one of your favorite bands- SoaD

Kombucha Mushroom Mofo. :p

now, did you record Stinkfist?

+1: 3 bars of 8 is easier for me. :p I can do it, but I have to think quite a bit first.
I've been working on getting a good recording but it's proving trickier to get an Adam-like sound than I suspected. I will record it, though.

And, yes, SOAD is possibly my favorite band.

EDIT: Oh, and have we gotten some kind of time frame on the competition?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

It must be the well thought out metaphors involving male anatomy.

Are you talking about tonewise, or just the feel in general?

Hm, I replied out of order.


Sidenote- There's a link to my recording of Sober a couple pages back, if you missed that.


EDIT: If anything, I think we've lost ground. :-/ We have millions of peices of songs, but none of them fit.

omg Schism

We decided that to win the competition, we're going to have to conquer one of Tool's beasts (eg. Lateralus, The Grudge, Eulogy) but we can't decide on what track. Everyone wants to do Parabol/a but there isn't a guitarist willing to play in drop B. I am pushing for Ticks&Leeches, but we don't have a drummer at the moment that can do that. I am also pushing for Eulogy. 307 said he wanted to do that.

Anyways, Kage, You wanna play Parabol/a? That would solve our problem. :p

[Futuro]

I think they're clavé. For the intro to eulogy, I actually listened through it and scored out all the electronics in the intro, and it sounds like the repeating clavé part is just a sample that plays, and he then plays the "pings" that are dotted semi-quavers over that, then introduces the shakers plays 8ths with some 16ths over that, then the pinging noise is replaced with another noise that sounds somewhat like different pitched wooden finger bells or whatever they're called, and then that rhythm is played with 2 different popping noises that have an echo on them. I have a score of it on another hard drive that's not in a computer... so if I can get it I'll post it. It's sibelius though.

well they might be clavé but he mainly deels with indian music so it could be the indian counterpart. but all of the intro live is done on the handsonic

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Is the clavay the spoon thingy, or what sound does it make? :-/

[Kage]

It must be the well thought out metaphors involving male anatomy.
/end sarcasm

Are you talking about tonewise, or just the feel in general?
Tone-wise mainly, but feel will come. I'm still recording to Joz's bass tracks, not the actual song, so let me know if we've decided against that or something (I need to read back a few pages).

Sidenote- There's a link to my recording of Sober a couple pages back, if you missed that.
Yes, I did miss that. I shall go and find.


EDIT: If anything, I think we've lost ground. :-/ We have millions of peices of songs, but none of them fit.

omg Schism
:lol:


We decided that to win the competition, we're going to have to conquer one of Tool's beasts (eg. Lateralus, The Grudge, Eulogy) but we can't decide on what track. Everyone wants to do Parabol/a but there isn't a guitarist willing to play in drop B. I am pushing for Ticks&Leeches, but we don't have a drummer at the moment that can do that. I am also pushing for Eulogy. 307 said he wanted to do that.
What instrument does 307 play? Guitar I assume. I'd love to do Lateralus, but I bet someone else already has guitar dibs on that anyway.

Anyways, Kage, You wanna play Parabol/a? That would solve our problem. :p
I'd love to, but Drop B is hell on my guitar. I've done it before. Not a good story.

[ThePatient]

What's this competition that was mentioned a few posts up?

[Futuro]

i would really like to do lateralus.....by my vote prolly sucks:lol:

[jensmatty]

I think they're all just midi sounds, that happen to sound similar to percussion pieces. I'm not sure if he uses his e-pads or his handsonic, but he plays on both sides of the kit. The ping, 2 pithed clicks and pops are on the left side, shaker-like sound and bass drum sound are right side... i think that's right.. i just confused myself... I play left handed so i can't remember, lol. I'm actually pretty sure he just uses the e-pads for everything except maybe the clavé's that plays under the entire intro. i dunno, I've only seen one vid of him playing it live, and listening to the intro repeatedly for an hour or two... I've convinced myself I'm right, lol.

[Moseswasbanned]

I've been working on getting a good recording but it's proving trickier to get an Adam-like sound than I suspected. I will record it, though.

And, yes, SOAD is possibly my favorite band.

EDIT: Oh, and have we gotten some kind of time frame on the competition?
He definately layered Stinkfist alot, or a weird kind of reverb/chorus/somthing.

[Moseswasbanned]

/Bump

I really wanna do Parabol/a though.

I swear this thread dies right when I post in it.

[Futuro]

wierd ^^^^ :D

[Moseswasbanned]

Parabol/a is a must for me. I would love to vocals on that, and I don't see why Dropping B is so hard, I do it all the time.

[Darkness]

^ Yeah, Drop B isn't that bad. Whenever I restring my guitar I tune to it to screw around in, and nothing bad ever happens.

[Futuro]

i just deciphered ticks and leeches....if you guys really want to play it i think with some practice i can get it....by the way how much time do we have to get the cover done?

[Moseswasbanned]

There are no real rules except that the covers must be done only by an official thread.

[Kage]

If you don't have hte proper string gauges and your nut is not properly set up for low tunings, then going to B will mess up your guitar. Fret buzz, falling out of tune all time (even in standard), bridge gets thrown out of whack, and many other problems result from going that low.

[Darkness]

There are no real rules except that the covers must be done only by an official thread.
Wait... so the RATM thread won't be aloud to enter?

[Huber]

I think it was settled that the RATM thread can't join in on it.

[Rounder]

Wait... so the RATM thread won't be aloud to enter?

Wait.. ive been searching for the intitial post about the tool cover thing and i cant find it. Can I get a refresher? whats going on? (sorry been working 60 hours a week lately.) :(

[Huber]

Wait.. ive been searching for the intitial post about the tool cover thing and i cant find it. Can I get a refresher? whats going on? (sorry been working 60 hours a week lately.) :(

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=347154

[Futuro]

hey sliptallica do you play the intro to ticks and leeches with a tab? if so which one?

[Huber]

hey sliptallica do you play the intro to ticks and leeches with a tab? if so which one?

Never seen the tabs for it actually. My drum teacher had seen Danny play it live and helped me transcribe it.

[Futuro]

hmmmmmm.....i tried to trancribe it to paper but its not fitting in the bar of 7

[Huber]

hmmmmmm.....i tried to trancribe it to paper but its not fitting in the bar of 7

I just looked at the tab they have here on MX and it looks kinda different. I play the intro as a 16th note accent pattern, if that helps. If I recall, mine fit into 7.

[Rounder]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=347154


hmm...well Matters a drummer and Im a guitar player and we can play The Grudge, Eulogy(minus the electronic beginning), or Pu****...I dont know if anyone out there could play a clean bassline to one of those songs. We could record our version and send it to whoever to put on his bassline. we would have the bass player send us a clean non-eq'd bassline and we could mix it on our gear and since Matter and I share a house it would make things pretty cool.

[Futuro]

hmm...well Matters a drummer and Im a guitar player and we can play The Grudge, Eulogy(minus the electronic beginning), or Pu****...I dont know if anyone out there could play a clean bassline to one of those songs. We could record our version and send it to whoever to put on his bassline. we would have the bass player send us a clean non-eq'd bassline and we could mix it on our gear and since Matter and I share a house it would make things pretty cool.

Hey man ive heard you guys play tool stuff before on the website and it was amazing.

holy crap, i forgot about Matt, hes an amazing drummer, if he wants to do the cover(drum wise) i will humbly hand over my duties to Matt.

[Moseswasbanned]

Time to whore my new thread.

Hey everyone check out my Debussy Education Thread here:
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=349024

[realitybreach]

I can understand what you guys are trying to do here. I have to say though that Tool isnt just about the lyrics, stop trying to analyse everything and just listen to the music. Keenan Maynard says so himself that if you just look at the lyrics your missing 3/4 of the music. I listen to Tool because I love how their music comes together like a symphony. I dont have to analyze the lyrics to see what music MEANS. Music is about emotion and Tool expresses emotion just like any other music but the difference is there is more talent behind Tool than any other band i have seen in quite a long time. So please just listen and stop trying to figure out what it all MEANS. Its music and nothing more, maybe if you twist it enough you can find some logic in how things go together. If Maynard wanted to express philosophy that he wanted you to find then he would have written a book.

[Moseswasbanned]

I can understand what you guys are trying to do here. I have to say though that Tool isnt just about the lyrics, stop trying to analyse everything and just listen to the music. Keenan Maynard says so himself that if you just look at the lyrics your missing 3/4 of the music. I listen to Tool because I love how their music comes together like a symphony. I dont have to analyze the lyrics to see what music MEANS. Music is about emotion and Tool expresses emotion just like any other music but the difference is there is more talent behind Tool than any other band i have seen in quite a long time. So please just listen and stop trying to figure out what it all MEANS. Its music and nothing more, maybe if you twist it enough you can find some logic in how things go together. If Maynard wanted to express philosophy that he wanted you to find then he would have written a book.
How many pages of this did you actually read?

[BlindWriting]

I can understand what you guys are trying to do here. I have to say though that Tool isnt just about the lyrics, stop trying to analyse everything and just listen to the music. Keenan Maynard says so himself that if you just look at the lyrics your missing 3/4 of the music. I listen to Tool because I love how their music comes together like a symphony. I dont have to analyze the lyrics to see what music MEANS. Music is about emotion and Tool expresses emotion just like any other music but the difference is there is more talent behind Tool than any other band i have seen in quite a long time. So please just listen and stop trying to figure out what it all MEANS. Its music and nothing more, maybe if you twist it enough you can find some logic in how things go together. If Maynard wanted to express philosophy that he wanted you to find then he would have written a book.
Look, I'll cut you some slack, because you probably just read the first two pages or so of this thread. Don't take things at face value.
And please leave.

[Huber]

Number 1: Where did that come from?

Number 2: No one ever said Tool was just about lyrics. If they did, kick em' in the nuts.

[Huber]

This is how I play it faith, and it sounds great to me:

T1|-o-O-o-o-o-o-o-o-O-o-o-o---o|
FT|O-o-o-O---o-O-O-o-o-O-o---o-|
SD|--------O---------------oo--|
BD|o--o--o-o---o-o--o--o-------|

snares off btw

[Blizzink]

You must have read the first pages of this thread and posted that. Either way, though, it seems like you're saying any kind of lyrics discussion is pointless, but it's not. Like you said, it's just another part of the music, so some people would like to understand that part more in order to gain a better understanding for the whole picture.

[Rounder]

Hey man ive heard you guys play tool stuff before on the website and it was amazing.

holy crap, i forgot about Matt, hes an amazing drummer, if he wants to do the cover(drum wise) i will humbly hand over my duties to Matt.


Wait wait wait.....i did not realize that it was one song. I thought anyone from the thread could post a song. We would never do something like that, take the chance for somone to play a Tool song away from someone else. My bad, I did not understand the comp. :confused: sorry. If you need an extra guitarist, i'll gladly throw down a track for it, but im not gonna jump into the middle of this thing and butt other people out.

[Futuro]

Wait wait wait.....i did not realize that it was one song. I thought anyone from the thread could post a song. We would never do something like that, take the chance for somone to play a Tool song away from someone else. My bad, I did not understand the comp. :confused: sorry. If you need an extra guitarist, i'll gladly throw down a track for it, but im not gonna jump into the middle of this thing and butt other people out.

well his stuff would turn out easily like 10 times better than mine(sound wise, playing ability, and his Time)

But then again i might not have understood the rules, so maybe we can do more than one track. if so that would be awsome :thumb:

[XyleM]

I think AJIG's idea about the Tool medley thing would be awesome, you could throw the simpler songs together into one track, and thus make it sound similar to one of their epic songs :D

[Moseswasbanned]

I wouldn't say just do one track. Let's make a few and pick the best one...... if that's what the rules are.

[Huber]

I think AJIG's idea about the Tool medley thing would be awesome, you could throw the simpler songs together into one track, and thus make it sound similar to one of their epic songs :D

I like this idea.

[Futuro]

hmm makes sense moses

[Kage]

I don't like the medley idea, becuase it will just complicate things. We can't even get it together as it is.

[Moseswasbanned]

I don't like the medley idea, becuase it will just complicate things. We can't even get it together as it is.
That's exactly what I was thinking, plus the atmosphere will be..... I don't know, cluttered?

[Huber]

I don't like the medley idea, becuase it will just complicate things. We can't even get it together as it is.

True. Probably should take it one step at a time.

[XyleM]

AJIG was saying that he did it sometimes, so i'm sure he could explain some ideas...

[Moseswasbanned]

Also Kage(and anybodyelse in here), I hope you check out my Debussy thread.

[Moseswasbanned]

Holy crap there it goes again........ I post and the thread dies.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Does JoZ have a bassline recorded for Eulogy? I'm talking to 307 and he would gladly do the guitar for it. I think it would turn out great. it feels like I'm the only one, though

Ok. I've talked to over 5 guitarists about doing Parabol/a and they all say no for the same reason. I'm not going to beat a dead horse and say 'drop b is too hard,' but I think we've put enough energy(lol, it's the internet) into trying to get a guitarist for Parabol/a. Like I said before, there are tracks that are just as good that require less guitar strain.

[Moseswasbanned]

I say Ticks and Leeches if we gave up on Parabol/a. I don't want to sing for Eulogy for it will sound like ****.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Ticks & Leeches
Vox-Moses
Guitar-Me, for now
Bass-JoZ, I assume
Drums-Faith+1 or Sliptallica

Eulogy
Vox-Kage, if he's willing
Guitar-307435342634632466236236 aka Jenny
Bass-duh
Drums-Faith+1 or Sliptallica or whoever else


Sound good?


Or..

Lateralus
Vox-Moses
Guitar-Kage
Bass-obvious, again
Drums- Faith+1, naturally

[Moseswasbanned]

Problem is with Joz we haven't heard anything from him in ages. I don't think he did a Ticks and Leeches one.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I'm forgetting a couple that are well into production

Ænema
Vox-Moses, I assume
Guitar-Clearvision
Bass-JoZ
Drums-need one

Stinkfist
same lineup


I've actually talked to JoZ 2 times in the last three days. He just hasn't came here. I'll get him in here tomorrow or something.

[Moseswasbanned]

i would really like to do lateralus.....by my vote prolly sucks:lol:
Jake, look!!!^^^^^^

Yeah, I'll do vox for anything besides Eulogy and Pu****, because I don't want to butcher amazing vocal performances like those. Well unless, of course Kage butchers it worse..... :D just kidding.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

At what... :shifty:


fix'd

[Moseswasbanned]

At what... :shifty:
I don't actually know.... I mean it was there before?@?!?!?!?

[Moseswasbanned]

Who's a drummer that can do Aenima?

[Futuro]

hey Round3r who i was talking to earlier has a 7 string john petrucci model guitar ....so there your parabola man..

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I don't mean to be a spamface, but when does your other account get unbanned? Ever? or was it a 3 day band or something to that effect?

Speaking of effects, I was looking at the amps that my Digitech is modeled after. There are 2 Mesa Boogie amp settings. Both are used at some time by Jones. :cool: Oh yeah.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I don't mean to be a spamface, but when does your other account get unbanned? Ever? or was it a 3 day band or something to that effect?

Speaking of effects, I was looking at the amps that my Digitech is modeled after. There are 2 Mesa Boogie amp settings. Both are used at some time by Jones. :cool: Oh yeah.

[Moseswasbanned]

I don't mean to be a spamface, but when does your other account get unbanned? Ever? or was it a 3 day band or something to that effect?
I have no clue.

Ha, you said you didn't mean to be a spamface but you managed to double post.

[Futuro]

Who's a drummer that can do Aenima?

one of the songs i havent finished learning from them.... i can improv it real nice though thats what i did when i was in my last band.

i would love to do lateralus expect that up by tommorow evening, everybody else can pull it off right?

[Moseswasbanned]

I need to figure out what effects are needed to make it sound like recording quality vocals. Also Faith+1 record to the album, I want to be able to sing with Maynard.

[G_Mac07]

Although I'm not participating in the whole cover thing. I'm going to say I'd like to see you guys do Lateralus. I think it's probably going to give you the best shot at winning, and it's an amazing song anyway.

[Futuro]

I need to figure out what effects are needed to make it sound like recording quality vocals. Also Faith+1 record to the album, I want to be able to sing with Maynard.

HELL YA were gonna do lateralus im excited now!!! sure thing ill definetly record to the cd.......i think im gonna poop my self...jk but anyways its really late so im gonna hop in bed and dream of amking the perfect lateralus recording. :D :p

[Moseswasbanned]

HELL YA were gonna do lateralus im excited now!!! sure thing ill definetly record to the cd.......i think im gonna poop my self...jk but anyways its really late so im gonna hop in bed and dream of amking the perfect lateralus recording. :D :p
Wow, a little enthused aren't we?

Actually I take that back, because this is the kind of attitude we should all have about the covers.

[XyleM]

I know its an hour late, but you killed it again ;)

I'm pumped for you guys, whatever you decide I'm sure it will come off awesome.

[Reywas]

Can you guys tell me how to upload?I would like to upload Stinkfist(with vocals) me and my friend did with midi bass and drums.It's low quality but preety cool for two guys in like an hour of recording.

I'm also preety good at playing Parabola.The only problem is I have a V-Amp with the Boogie amplifier model so it doesn't sound exactly like the real thing.I can do it next week if you guys are willing.

[Westy]

a cover of tool from the fans will be awesome

[clearvision]

I'm forgetting a couple that are well into production

Ænema
Vox-Moses, I assume
Guitar-Clearvision
Bass-JoZ
Drums-need one

Stinkfist
same lineup


I've actually talked to JoZ 2 times in the last three days. He just hasn't came here. I'll get him in here tomorrow or something.

Ken was going to do aenima drums, then he dissapeared :( i thought Kage was taking stinkfist, I don't mind, Imma have alot of free time after the exams :D

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Does JoZ have a bassline recorded for Eulogy? I'm talking to 307 and he would gladly do the guitar for it. I think it would turn out great. it feels like I'm the only one, though

Ok. I've talked to over 5 guitarists about doing Parabol/a and they all say no for the same reason. I'm not going to beat a dead horse and say 'drop b is too hard,' but I think we've put enough energy(lol, it's the internet) into trying to get a guitarist for Parabol/a. Like I said before, there are tracks that are just as good that require less guitar strain.

I don't get what they mean by too hard. You just tune the E to a B and the A to an E. I play it with standard guage strings and everything is fine and it sounds fine. So, what's difficult about it?

[PeEpHoLe_10]

^^^
Yeah...i don't find anything really difficult about that either.

[clearvision]

B string is soo slack it sounds rank on most peoples guitars.

I just played through lateralus, pretty easy, only tricky part is the pinched harmonic bit and the 'over analysig' bit...

Why do we need to rope in numbers? It's not like we are short on guitarists...

I thought the whole point of this thing was the communities can put forward what they want...:confused:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

We have no shortage of guitarists, we have a bassist who has put down a good amount of starting material, plus others in reserve in case JoZ doesnt get the chance to do more. We have an eager drummer, and one who should be more eager, but has vanished again now. So numbers are not a problem.


To sort out a few thigns I picked up over the last page:



1) If we ever were to pull off Third Eye, I think it would have to be a multi guitarist effort. If anyone does know it all in its completion, by all means, give us an upload. If not, like (insert user here) said, there's enough talent here for people to learn certain sections, then piece together the track.


2) What I was referring to with a Tool medley was not to play the whole track progression at once, but instead to record the individual tracks at first, then look at ways they can link into the next, by adding different ending improv sections, to give it almost a live set feel. I can easily mix together two tracks to run into each other (got plenty of practice doing the hit-and-miss holy gift)


3) As for Drop B, I think some guitarists might have a moral objection rather than a technical one :p


4) If people (I keep saying this every other post it seems) have recording capabilities of any kind (i.e. functioning soundcards with some form of mic plugged in at least), then record what you can. If you're worried about negative reactions, dont be, most of the thread regs (there are some exceptions (JAKE :D) )will be constructive, and any crit wont be on your recording skill.

If its required, I might set up a soundclick space to put all the recordings up on. Ill also complie a list of what I have at the moment

[clearvision]

:lol: nice dig @ jake lolorz...

The medley sounds good as it gives you some part to play in it :D

If we do third eye, I have claimed the first solo :)

I can upload any song really, i know most of the general ideas so i can strum along...but to actually record i just need to pick up and practice little bits, like the two parts of lateralus, and a couple of parts of aenima that i find tough (the slides from the 2nd fret barré shape to the 17th etc) ... I'll record some snippets of stuff later when my brian fries from all this revision I think. I found a pretty awesome clean tone for the main lick in lateralus.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Dangit. :(

I'm serious. There is something wrong with my computer. The first minute and a half of each recording is in tempo, then it slowly lags off. :(

/unconstructive


At least I have a working soundcard. :p

[Moseswasbanned]

Can you guys tell me how to upload?I would like to upload Stinkfist(with vocals) me and my friend did with midi bass and drums.It's low quality but preety cool for two guys in like an hour of recording.

I'm also preety good at playing Parabola.The only problem is I have a V-Amp with the Boogie amplifier model so it doesn't sound exactly like the real thing.I can do it next week if you guys are willing.
Do Parabola for us, please. Also If we upload that Stinkfist version it kind of defeats the purpose of the whole MX official thread covers.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

To Nobuo>God- go to YouSendit (http://www.yousendit.com) and upload it there. Once you get there, click browse...then find the file and click ok. It should work out fine for ya. :thumb:

Also, do Parabola. It doesn't matter if your tone is off. I'm using a 10 watt Ibanez amp to record. :p

[Kage]

I don't get what they mean by too hard. You just tune the E to a B and the A to an E. I play it with standard guage strings and everything is fine and it sounds fine. So, what's difficult about it?
If you're a serious guitar player and have an ear, then it does mess up your guitar, seriously. It may sound okay to an unconditioned guitarist, but it's not good to do.


I explained what happens from it a page or so back, and I speak from personal experience.

[clearvision]

My theory on drop tunings, you wanna go lower than D, buy a bass. or baritone or other many stringed guitary things.

My guitar struggles with D, the looseness of the string makes my intonation horrible, i really have to work to get it to sound on pitch. Also it sometimes slaps off the pickup = not good.

Parabola isn't even the best showcase we could do, lateralus is good if a drummer is competent enough, pushit would be quality but i'm seriously doubting anyone could do the closing lines of that any justice. Aenema is an all rounded song, the drum's at the beginning are quite cool...the vocal melody when he sings 'try and read between the lines' is very strong...there are many breakdowns and changes to dynamics and stuff that make it a stand out song to me...best idea is just to mix what we have, part of me, sober, lateralus if people do it and aenima.

[Kage]

What about Stinkfist? I was doing guitar for that song...are we dropping it?


EDIT: Dammit, I keep missing pages and not catching up. I see Jake assigned me for guitar on Lateralus. I think we sould decided RIGHT NOW which songs we're doing before this becomes one mass of chaos. :)

[Kage]

So now I have the Moses curse?

[Moseswasbanned]

It sucks doesn't it?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

:lol:@ Kage

I nominate Lateralus. Faith+1 says he can pull off the drumming perfectly, I think Mo could pull of the vox (He said he wanted to like 2 weeks ago) and I think that we could have all the guitarists give it a try and choose the best one. Ironically, I talked to the JoZ, and he said that he would really have to work on this song. :p

All in favor?

[Kage]

That sounds good to me.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Noje? What do you think of singing Lateralus?

[Moseswasbanned]

Yes, I agree on Lateralus. Also if anyone wants to do Parabola, please do it.

*It's spelled Nojus :thumb:

[Otherside]

So let's recap, what songs have agreed to DEFINITLY do? Just Lateralus?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Yes. We're back to ground zero again, apparently.


How about this-We put all of the covers that are in progress aside until we get Lateralus finished. This way, there's no backing out/procrastonating.

[Moseswasbanned]

I could pull vox off but I'd just like to know how to make my voice sound recording quality.

[Kage]

I still might record Stinkfist for kicks, and we can use it as a backup. But I think the major song we're doing is Lateralus.

If anyone has an objection to it, he best speak up.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I still might record Stinkfist for kicks, and we can use it as a backup. But I think the major song we're doing is Lateralus.



That's what I was thinking, but put Stinkfist on the back burner for now. :D

[Moseswasbanned]

I say Stinkfist first, then Lateralus.

It's simpler. But I'll go with what everyonelse wants to do.

EDIT: Actually I changed my mind, the other way around.

[Kage]

Before we make it official we shuold probably get Ben's and Clear's opinion on it as well.