Tool

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Re read my post :p

[Magicaltroll]

Oh ok, I only read the bottom part, sorry :D

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Oooo ****, that'd be awesome.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Oooo ****, that'd be awesome.

Dont get your hopes up. I dont like most of it, but im uploading at least what i've done. When i get a new soundcard on the go, ill do a proper job. No sound hampers this process. :(

And nice av btw, good to see Tool fans still have great musical taste

[clearvision]

DJ Shadow owns, i got his albums yesterday... :cool:

Genre of the month is most definateley trip-hop....mezzanin, dummy and both shadow albums...what next?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Trip-hop can be so hit and miss with me, some tracks off big trip-hop albums get me straightaway, and others are skipped quickly. Makes it hard to get into any particular artist. Shadow is slightly more consistent for my ears though, least his diversity stays within my tastes

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Oh, and to repay anyone who has uploaded anything to me, or posted in here for a while, or are just drop dead beautiful, look whats back up again

http://www.musictelevisionsucks.net

More tool videos ready to download. Im seeing if they work after getting Samurai Champloo down

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Blue Lines by Massive and S/T by Portishead are good too.

But I LOVE Dummy, Mezzanine, and Endtroducing. There are so many recognizable tunes in it.

CV-- Is Shadow's other album as good as Endtroducing? As long as it's almost as good that's cool, because Endtro was brilliant.

[clearvision]

It's only had one listen, not as good as Entro but still top notch..

I'm yet to find a trip-hop song that matches teardrop though...

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Blue Lines by Massive and S/T by Portishead are good too.

But I LOVE Dummy, Mezzanine, and Endtroducing. There are so many recognizable tunes in it.

CV-- Is Shadow's other album as good as Endtroducing? As long as it's almost as good that's cool, because Endtro was brilliant.

Private Press? Its not bad, but there are some tracks on there that grate on my ears. For recommendations though, its got

6 Days
Walkie Talkie
You Cant Go Home Again

Best tracks on it, good variety

[clearvision]

six days is great...may have to check out blue lines

[Adam Jones is GOD]

The (not so) Holy Gift (http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2ETLNG57V4K6W17U2N3WIT7R8W)

[Moses]

You all should visit my Chopin Education Thread. Prog fans will love the Ballade in G minor.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Pretty cool, man. You experimented more at the beginning and sort of let the ship take its course for the remainder of the album. Sweet.

[Reywas]

Have you guys tried Tricky?He has like 8 albums.First four are very good.Also if you're interested in trip hop check out
Lovage - Music to make love to your old lady by.It's a Mike Patton side project so you know it must be good and Archive - Londinium, supposedly the best trip hop album ever created.Unfortunately it is very rare even on slsk.
And just for the record Risingson, Group Four, Angel >>> Teardrop IMO.

[Reywas]

Have you guys tried Tricky?He has like 8 albums.First four are very good.Also if you're interested in trip hop check out
Lovage - Music to make love to your old lady by.It's a Mike Patton side project so you know it must be good and Archive - Londinium, supposedly the best trip hop album ever created.Unfortunately it is very rare even on slsk.
And just for the record Risingson, Group Four, Angel >>> Teardrop IMO.

[Huber]

That Holy Gift thing is pretty awesome. It isn't so amazing that I think it was meant to be done like that though. I bet if anyone takes an album as epic as Lateralus and thinks about it long enough and tries hard enough they could do the same thing.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Just when i was doing it, looking at the way the tracks shaped up looked so intended. I used to be sceptical behind any deeper ideas behind the record, but it looks like it really was prepared to be toyed with and investigated with further.

There are so many ways to link the tracks, I could go for loads of orders, That order though had the most story and thought behind (the website is really something)

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Have you guys tried Tricky?He has like 8 albums.First four are very good.Also if you're interested in trip hop check out
Lovage - Music to make love to your old lady by.It's a Mike Patton side project so you know it must be good and Archive - Londinium, supposedly the best trip hop album ever created.Unfortunately it is very rare even on slsk.
And just for the record Risingson, Group Four, Angel >>> Teardrop IMO.

I've heard some of Tricky's solo stuff, but personally I like his work with Massive Attack a lot more.

And on your Mezzanine comment, I think that Risingson, Inertia Creeps, Dissolved Girl, Angel, and Teardrop are the best songs on the album. Inertia Creeps is probably my favorite.

Perhaps I need to check out some more Tricky? But if you haven't checked it out already, check out Endtroducing by DJ Shadow. Napalm Brain/Scatter Brain, Midnight In A Perfect World, Building Steam With A Grain Of Salt, Organ Donor, and The Number Song are ALL great songs.

[Reywas]

Yeah but how Schism goes into Grudge and Triad into Leeches is pretty ******* incredible.

[Huber]

Yeah but how Schism goes into Grudge and Triad into Leeches is pretty ******* incredible.

I thought Schism To The Grudge wasn't anything special at all. Holy crap, one song ends on a strong note, and one starts on one. You can do that with tons of things. That was the biggest dissappointment of the whole thing.

[Reywas]

I just wanted to say that the first four tracks of Mezzanine are probably the best four opening tracks I have ever heard.Good stuff up there In Chains.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Schism - Grudge and FDO - Ticks were the parts i hate the most on that. When I make my own mix, ill work those out and probably link into different songs.

Hell, i might even go for some Ænima/Lateralus mix. Or a Best Of... mixture.


So much I can do now thanks to Adobe.

And as a side note, anyone feel that Pink Maggit by the Deftones is destined to link into Third Eye?

[Huber]

Does that Adobe Audition thing costs big bucks?

[Reywas]

I don't know.Probably the most impressive thing for me was Third Eye - 46 and 2.It just blended so nicely.I was kinda dissapointed with Stinkfist - H - Eulogy.

[Kage]

And as a side note, anyone feel that Pink Maggit by the Deftones is destined to link into Third Eye?
Hmmm...that would be really interesting. You should toy around with it.

I downloaded your Holy Gift upload, but I haven't had time to listen to it yet. I'm excited to hear it though.

[Moses]

Hmmm...that would be really interesting. You should toy around with it.

I downloaded your Holy Gift upload, but I haven't had time to listen to it yet. I'm excited to hear it though.
Hey you haven't been on in a while, at least the times I have. Please check out the Chopin Education Thread.

[Huber]

I don't really like how Ticks and Leeches is split up really..."Leeches" and the intermission to "Ticks and" were already incredibly well strung together. If you play the drum part (I don't know about the bass/guitar parts) you notice that they are the same part, one part is just played louder and more filled in. That little piece of Mantra into Parabol however was amazing.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Yeah, I would have kept the ending part to it, but played Faaip De Oaid over the 'interlude' still, as I still think the bass timing is badass.

Like i say though, i kept to the suggested track list. Grudgingly at times

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Schism - Grudge and FDO - Ticks were the parts i hate the most on that. When I make my own mix, ill work those out and probably link into different songs.

Hell, i might even go for some Ænima/Lateralus mix. Or a Best Of... mixture.


So much I can do now thanks to Adobe.

And as a side note, anyone feel that Pink Maggit by the Deftones is destined to link into Third Eye?

I'd really be interested in a best-of. Not for me, because I like all of the songs. But a lot of my friends have only heard a few songs from them.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Does that Adobe Audition thing costs big bucks?

Ebay should give you a good deal. Its usually £100+, but some generous people have ways of reducing the price it seems

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

If you guys don't want to spend the money on Audition, get Audacity. You can get enough layers going at the same time to make the Holy Gift work, I'm sure.

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

That's also the program I use for recording and mixing stuff. Works quite well. Since I'm still on dial up, I think I might try and splice Lateralus myself. It's only a 2 or 3 mb download, so it shouldn't take anyone that long. (Even me. :eek: )

[wadestrong]

tool is an amazing band, i read a whole crap load of pages on there and found it very very interesting, i really liked mantra take on things... :thumb:

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

I must say, AJIG, that I'm very dissapointed with your upload. Is this what the websites have been hyping up so much? All the changes sound so forced and out of place. Thank you for uploading it, I'm sure it was a lot of work.

[Magicaltroll]

I must say, AJIG, that I'm very dissapointed with your upload. Is this what the websites have been hyping up so much? All the changes sound so forced and out of place. Thank you for uploading it, I'm sure it was a lot of work.
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Sorry, but it is WAY overhyped if this is what it's supposed to sound like. I actually like listening to the regular way more :/

But thanks for the effort, that probably took a loong time.

[Huber]

The begining sounded really awesome, and the little bit of mantra going into Parabol was badass. Otherwise, it wasn't anything more than, "this song ends strong, this one starts strong, this one ends soft, this one starts soft," etc...

[Kage]

It's all a big mess of over-analysis on an album that shouldn't be over-analyzed.

[Moses]

Hey you haven't been on in a while, at least the times I have. Please check out the Chopin Education Thread.
Kage^^^

[Kage]

Right. I saw that message, sorry for not responding. I'm on my way over right now. I assume you say this becuase you think it's something I'm interested in and it's not just shamlessing plugging, right? :p

[Moses]

Right. I saw that message, sorry for not responding. I'm on my way over right now. I assume you say this becuase you think it's something I'm interested in and it's not just shamlessing plugging, right? :p
Yes, I think you would like to hear the Ballade most of all.

[Kage]

Yes, I think you would like to hear the Ballade most of all.
Downloading that right now. Very well-written and interesting thread. I'm very excited to hear this stuff. I'll reply in that thread with my thoughts, etc.

[Moses]

Downloading that right now. Very well-written and interesting thread. I'm very excited to hear this stuff. I'll reply in that thread with my thoughts, etc.
Thanks.

[Idiot Martyr]

Could someone re-upload the holy gift thing? I wasn't home so I didn't get the active link in time.

[Kage]

Sure, I'll upload it. Give me a few minutes.

[Idiot Martyr]

Sure, I'll upload it. Give me a few minutes.

Ah thankyou sir

[Kage]

Hold on, I just went and clicked Ben's link (http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2ETLNG57V4K6W17U2N3WIT7R8W) and it seems to be working...

[Idiot Martyr]

Hold on, I just went and clicked Ben's link (http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2ETLNG57V4K6W17U2N3WIT7R8W) and it seems to be working...

The site says it's an invalid link when I click on it.

[Kage]

Weird. It works for me. No problem, I'm still uploading it. It's just taking awhile because it's a big file.

[Idiot Martyr]

Weird. It works for me. No problem, I'm still uploading it. It's just taking awhile because it's a big file.

Thank you (again).

[ridethespiral421]

hes got audio clips of all the transitions on his page: http://aiden.vzz.net/flash/lat1.html

he managed to work out the transition to schism much better than i could, funny how it such a hard piece to fit

[Kage]

Crap, really sorry that this took so long. I left my computer and completely forgot about it. Anyway, here it is:

The Holy Gift (http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3C9VMC0HP6A5E2OI9DTKC85EN5 )

[Idiot Martyr]

Crap, really sorry that this took so long. I left my computer and completely forgot about it. Anyway, here it is:

The Holy Gift (http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3C9VMC0HP6A5E2OI9DTKC85EN5 )

When did you upload I still can't download it for some reason. This is quite annoying (for both of us I would imagine).

[Adam Jones is GOD]

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Sorry, but it is WAY overhyped if this is what it's supposed to sound like. I actually like listening to the regular way more :/

But thanks for the effort, that probably took a loong time.

I agree. Dont apologise to me, im merely a sort of messenger.

And it took longer to upload than make, so no worry about the time.

[wadestrong]

im listening to the holy gift thing right now,,, but what is it exactly? just putting the lateralus songs together to show how good they fit?

[Kurrpt]

this holy gift you speak of, whats the significance of it?

[clearvision]

Come on Kurrpt, flick back some pages... it's basically a multitrack edit of lateralus...

[Kurrpt]

i heard them talking about it friday, like they cut and paste parts together with parts. what the hell is the point?

[clearvision]

Well they have no other tool stuff to be investigating, because the band are lazy an yeah :(

[Kage]

i heard them talking about it friday, like they cut and paste parts together with parts. what the hell is the point?
I'm not sure if you knew this, but there's this whole theory that there's an alternate tracklist for Lateralus, based on some kind of pattern found with the track numbers and having to do with the lyrics title track. Something along those lines. Anyway, I'm pretty sure he was just cutting up the album to fit in the alternate track sequence.

[Kurrpt]

what is the significance (i repost my question)


:lol:

[clearvision]

No, there is a link posted a few pages back...which uses a multitracking program to mis different songs of lateralus over each other...it is supposedly 'the way' to listen to the album. There is an alternate track listing using the fibonacci sequence that you cna search in the thread for :)

[Kurrpt]

No, there is a link posted a few pages back...which uses a multitracking program to mis different songs of lateralus over each other...it is supposedly 'the way' to listen to the album. There is an alternate track listing using the fibonacci sequence that you cna search in the thread for :)


umm.... not to sound like a repetive bitch...


but WHY would i care about some alternate track listing or whatever?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

..
but WHY would i care about some alternate track listing or whatever?

YOU probably dont care, but there are some people here who DO care, and were interested in it.

So there was no need to ask the question. If you dont care, you know the answer already

[jamesclelland]

i found the holy gift interesting. I personally have to much to do to worry about splicing all the songs together, but it's cool. Unfortunatly, i've lost my lateralus and may have to burn that to listen to something other than undertow and aenima until i have a decent tip night. (not to say the mix sucks, i would just rather hear the regular album version.)

[Kurrpt]

YOU probably dont care, but there are some people here who DO care, and were interested in it.

So there was no need to ask the question. If you dont care, you know the answer already


well, thats why i asked the significance of it. I mean, if its like just another order, i fail to see how that changes anything. If its an entirely different feel, or something crazy happens, then i would be interested...


so ill ask the same question for a 4th time

[Rothmans]

I loved a lot of the holy gift but when faaip de ooaid came on I was really hoping after that the SUUUUUCCCCKK MMEEEE DRRRYYY bit was gonna happen and I got excited over it but I was let down by it but brilliant otherwise the second half of the holy gift wasnt as interesting as the first half but still you but a lot of work into it man thanks a lot.

[clearvision]

Hmm i haven't yet had time to downlaod + listen, what with exam pressure and making time for sleep etc..

but Kurrpt, the point is, it gives a different feel, opens up new harmonies etc, i think. And the alternate track listing was utterly pointless, but very interesting...

Revolved aorund the fibonnaci sequence and the words 'spiral out' makes a good read.

please do not ask the question a 5th time :rolleyes:

[Kurrpt]

hahaha alright then. I was hoping its not like the fibonacci thing, cause they doesnt change anything really.

[guitarist.kid]

I just want to know something more about Tool...do they have a theory abotu aliens or any theory??? and what are they?

[clearvision]

^hmm except for faip de oiad (sp? too lazy to look it up)...if you search back there was a recording of the actual phone message that the song was taken from. The story has something to do with an ex-Area 51 employee phoning a radio station and he was scared of some aliens, tool must have thoguht something of this to include it in lateralus...Thats all i know about theories on aliens.

I remember reading an article related to tool, might have been written by blair (author of http://toolband.com ) Explaining how he had a wierd dream about aliens and how it related to something that happened in real life, it had mentions of members of tool in the article and is kinda related to tool....Don't know where you might find it on the site, and am too tired to look.

Danny has strong beliefs on the sauniere/rennes le chateau mystery and some enochian magic/language see http://www.dannycarey.org for deetails.

He also arranges his drum kit in some bizarre fashion which is kinda related to his enochian magic thing...

I can't think of any more...

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Oh... I thought that the noises in faip de oiad were supposed to be the voice of god because the title means voice of god. But yeah, that'd be pretty cool if they were aliens.

I'm not sure if you knew this, but there's this whole theory that there's an alternate tracklist for Lateralus, based on some kind of pattern found with the track numbers and having to do with the lyrics title track. Something along those lines. Anyway, I'm pretty sure he was just cutting up the album to fit in the alternate track sequence.

Oh, is that what AJIG was doing? I thought he was doing a random one.

[Rothmans]

^hmm except for faip de oiad (sp? too lazy to look it up)...if you search back there was a recording of the actual phone message that the song was taken from. The story has something to do with an ex-Area 51 employee phoning a radio station and he was scared of some aliens, tool must have thoguht something of this to include it in lateralus...Thats all i know about theories on aliens.

I remember reading an article related to tool, might have been written by blair (author of http://toolband.com ) Explaining how he had a wierd dream about aliens and how it related to something that happened in real life, it had mentions of members of tool in the article and is kinda related to tool....Don't know where you might find it on the site, and am too tired to look.

Danny has strong beliefs on the sauniere/rennes le chateau mystery and some enochian magic/language see http://www.dannycarey.org for deetails.

He also arranges his drum kit in some bizarre fashion which is kinda related to his enochian magic thing...

I can't think of any more...


Oh yeah I posted that story on this forum in my noob years :cool:


(as stumpetioto)

[Thor]

I just finally decided to buy Lateralus yesterday. It should be here in the next few days. I have never listened to a single Tool song, but I have heard so many great things about them. I hope it is as good as all you fanboys out there say it is.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I admire your curiosity. Are you sure you don't want a few listens before the CD arrives?

[Thor]

I admire your curiosity. Are you sure you don't want a few listens before the CD arrives?
Since it was ranked 2nd best R&M album of all time in here, I figured it would be OK to just go ahead and buy it.

[Otherside]

Since it was ranked 2nd best R&M album of all time in here, I figured it would be OK to just go ahead and buy it.

Hope you like it, be sure to post your reflections in here.

[Thor]

Hope you like it, be sure to post your reflections in here.
Is it true that you don't listen to the album, you "surrender yourself to it"?

[Otherside]

Is it true that you don't listen to the album, you "surrender yourself to it"?

Well, I suppose it would depend on the listener. It definitly demands your attention though, so doing something else while listening to it won't give as much as a gratifying experience the first time around...

[Kage]

Is it true that you don't listen to the album, you "surrender yourself to it"?
That would depend on who it is, of course, but you could say that. Definately give it a full listen at high volume, without interruption the first time. Part of the novelty of all their albums is the feeling of the entire product, not a combination of thirteen great songs.

[Thor]

Well, I suppose it would depend on the listener. It definitly demands your attention though, so doing something else while listening to it won't give as much as a gratifying experience the first time around...
I'll probably listen to it right before I am going to go to bed. I really can concentrate on my music then.

[Lateralias]

Disposition/Reflection/Triad is musical bliss.... I recommend anyone who hasn't to relax, close their eyes and get "put into" this music... I listen to these three songs (which tie together unbelievebly well) every other day and they never get monotonous to me.. every listen brings something new to my mind when I focus on it.
I love how Triad leaves me wanting more so badly.... Tool is good at that :)

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I agree with med - I don't/didn't consider Lateralus to be "earth-changing", either. While it's a very impressive album and one of my favorites - I still say that it's no Ænima.

Other than Danny Carey's work on Lateralus, I did not find much else to be "brilliant." I consider his drumming on Lateralus to be the best drumming on any album, ever.

Disposition/Reflection/Triad

You see, while these were great additions to the album. I felt that they were drawn out a little too long. I feel that Tool looked over the borderline monotony they had created with these songs and instead wanted their album to be considered more of an opus.

[The JoZ]

Is it true that you don't listen to the album, you "surrender yourself to it"?

I will be the first to come out and say it; yes, yes it is.

To really enjoy this album, I think you *have* to let the music take over. It is such an epic journey, it truely is.

[Darkness]

I've been gone all weekend... someone give me a summary on whats happened please!

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

AJIG posted the alternate order of Lateralus and there has been an on-going discussion about trip-hop.

That's all I remember, really.

[Dude3]

So,
is there any ideas when the new album might come out?
I seriously can't wait any longer. I need a sign!

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

They're definitely recording; that's all we know as of yet. There is no sign of a date, although, I've heard speculation about the album coming out at the end of the year or early next year.

[Thor]

I will be the first to come out and say it; yes, yes it is.

To really enjoy this album, I think you *have* to let the music take over. It is such an epic journey, it truely is.
There have only been 3 albums that I have totally given up all of my time to just listen to it. They are:

Rage Against the Machine - Rage Against the Machine
Pink Floyd - The Wall
Metallica - Ride the Lightning

If Lateralus are as good as any of those, I will be very impressed.

[Otherside]

There have only been 3 albums that I have totally given up all of my time to just listen to it. They are:

Rage Against the Machine - Rage Against the Machine
Pink Floyd - The Wall
Metallica - Ride the Lightning

If Lateralus are as good as any of those, I will be very impressed.

To me, Lateralus is better than RtL. I used to be a pretty big Metallica fan too.

[Thor]

To me, Lateralus is better than RtL. I used to be a pretty big Metallica fan too.
Wow, it must be pretty freakin' incredible to top RtL.

[Darkness]

Alright, I'm downloading Kages holy gift... couldn't get adam jones is gods version though. The link had expired.

[Kage]

Alright, I'm downloading Kages holy gift... couldn't get adam jones is gods version though. The link had expired.
Mind you, that's just a re-upload of Ben's. I don't take any credit for it. I just re-posted it as a fresh download for people who couldn't get it from Ben's post.

[Moses]

Mind you, that's just a re-upload of Ben's. I don't take any credit for it. I just re-posted it as a fresh download for people who couldn't get it from Ben's post.
You should check out my Chopin thread if you can.

[Kage]

You should check out my Chopin thread if you can.
I have, I just haven't commented yet.

[Darkness]

Mind you, that's just a re-upload of Ben's. I don't take any credit for it. I just re-posted it as a fresh download for people who couldn't get it from Ben's post.
Thanks for clearing that up. :thumb:

[Moses]

I have, I just haven't commented yet.
Cool.

[BlindWriting]

Wow, I missed quite a heavy discussion.
The Schism-Grudge-Ticks and Leeches transitions were pretty incredible, and The Patient-Eon Blue-Mantra thing was interesting. You can never go too deeply when it comes to Lateralus...

And someone mentioned aliens before:
I think at one point, Danny and Blair tried to get to Area 51. They had a bit of a run in with security, and I think took a photograph of something that's in one of the Tool newsletters. Check it out if you have the time to look around the site for it.

[Darkness]

Guys go vote for Justin in the bass polls. Flea is owning.

[BlindWriting]

I can't find it.
I must be really tired.


EDIT:
Nevermind. I was looking in the Bass forums for the poll.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

/voted for him a while ago

Recently I downloaded some Peach... I really think that, despite the singer's lack of range, they have a good sound. Justin's bass really stands out too; no wonder Tool picked him out.

[Huber]

I haven't heard peach, so I didn't vote for him :/

[G_Mac07]

Yeah, Peach are pretty cool. Giving Birth To a Stone was pretty much all I listened to in the few weeks after I picked it up. I believe Peach actually opened for Tool in Europe somewhere at one point, that would have been so good.

/can't confirm it actually happened, but I've heard it

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

http://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=274EZIDQ1ZY572AXFX24GXAPEU

Peach - Spasm

They have better songs but Justin's bass stands out on this one.

[G_Mac07]

One thing that gets me about Tool's cover of Spasm is Maynard singing

"Are you terrified you'll be forgotten"

It just doesn't fit the same way the orginal lyric did :upset:

[Lateralias]

I wonder what Tool wouldv'e been like if Scott Reeder (Kyuss) was picked as a bassist when he auditioned for Tool, they might have had a totally different sound if Scott was picked... anyone else wonder this or is it just me?

[Darkness]

Just you, we all seem to love Justin. :D

[The JoZ]

1) Peach did indeed open for Tool on some shows done in Britain/Europe, in 1994

2) I don't know what Tool would've sounded like if Justin hadn't gotten the nod, but I can say that I can't imagine Aenima and Lateralus without him.

[Lateralias]

Just you, we all seem to love Justin. :D

Hey now, don't get me wrong :p ... I love Justin and I think he is the perfect bassist for Tool, I just happen to love both Kyuss and Tool, and both bassists.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

One thing that gets me about Tool's cover of Spasm is Maynard singing

"Are you terrified you'll be forgotten"

It just doesn't fit the same way the orginal lyric did :upset:


While agree with that, I think that Tool's cover of You Lied is better than the original. Just like how Tool's version, I believe, is better than LZ's original of No Quarter.

[Darkness]

Heh, I've never listened to Kyuss, do they have good bass work?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Who else 'auditioned' for D'amour's position? I recall seeing a rough list, but I don't remember any of the other names...

[G_Mac07]

While agree with that, I think that Tool's cover of You Lied is better than the original. Just like how Tool's version, I believe, is better than LZ's original of No Quarter.

Yes, apart from the line I mentioned, and on the whole, I prefer Tool's version. And their cover of No Quarter is simply amazing.

[SaturnAscends56]

The song schism is a historical reference to the division of the Christian church (into Catholic and Protestant, I think.). That event was called the Great Schism, hence the name of the song.

I know the pieces fit, cause I watched them fall away
Mildewed and smoldering, fundamental differing

Maynard is pointing out that it was once whole and was able to get along.

Pure intention juxtaposed will set two lovers' souls in motion
Disintegrating as it goes, testing our communication
The light that fueled our fire then has burned a hole between us
So we cannot see to reach an end, crippling our communication

Here, the pure intention signifies the ultimate goals of christianity, juxtaposed implies the goals were compared, and the souls in motion is that the comparison rendered biased views of the goals and of the church.

I know the pieces fit ‘cause I watched them tumble down
No fault, none to blame; it doesn’t mean I don’t desire
To point the finger, blame the other, watch the temple topple over
To bring the pieces back together, rediscover communication

The pieces are the branches of christianity, and the no fault shows that neither side is to blame for it, but they chose to blame each other. The rediscovery of communication is apparently what will unite the church once again.

The poetry that comes from the squaring off between
And the circling is worth it, finding beauty in the dissonance

I am not too sure about this part, but I think it sounds like Maynard is referring to himself, saying that the song or poetry that resulted from the event made the event worth occuring. The beauty is the great song we hear today, the dissonance is the separation of the church.

There was a time that the pieces fit, but I watched them fall away
Mildewed and smoldering, strangled by our coveting
I’ve done the math, enough to know the dangers of a second guessing
Doomed to crumble, unless we grow, and strengthen our communication

Again, Maynard sings about how the church once was whole but fell apart, and how only communication can fix it.

Cold silence has
A tendency to
Atrophy any
Sense of compassion

I think this part is basically saying the branches' refusal to work things out by compromising will cancel any chance to come to terms and reunite.

Between supposed lovers
Between supposed brothers

This is just a reminder of how the sides of the church were once friends, and more than that, they were brothers.

I know the pieces fit, I know the pieces fit
I know the pieces fit, I know the pieces fit
I know the pieces fit, I know the pieces fit
I know the pieces fit, I know the pieces fit

Another reminder of what could be.

[Darkness]

^Nice first post man. You'll do well here. :thumb:


Man, when I went camping this weekend I was so tempted to through Ænima in to my discman...

[Magicaltroll]

The song schism is a historical reference to the division of the Christian church (into Catholic and Protestant, I think.). That event was called the Great Schism, hence the name of the song.

I know the pieces fit, cause I watched them fall away
Mildewed and smoldering, fundamental differing

Maynard is pointing out that it was once whole and was able to get along.

Pure intention juxtaposed will set two lovers' souls in motion
Disintegrating as it goes, testing our communication
The light that fueled our fire then has burned a hole between us
So we cannot see to reach an end, crippling our communication

Here, the pure intention signifies the ultimate goals of christianity, juxtaposed implies the goals were compared, and the souls in motion is that the comparison rendered biased views of the goals and of the church.

I know the pieces fit ‘cause I watched them tumble down
No fault, none to blame; it doesn’t mean I don’t desire
To point the finger, blame the other, watch the temple topple over
To bring the pieces back together, rediscover communication

The pieces are the branches of christianity, and the no fault shows that neither side is to blame for it, but they chose to blame each other. The rediscovery of communication is apparently what will unite the church once again.

The poetry that comes from the squaring off between
And the circling is worth it, finding beauty in the dissonance

I am not too sure about this part, but I think it sounds like Maynard is referring to himself, saying that the song or poetry that resulted from the event made the event worth occuring. The beauty is the great song we hear today, the dissonance is the separation of the church.

There was a time that the pieces fit, but I watched them fall away
Mildewed and smoldering, strangled by our coveting
I’ve done the math, enough to know the dangers of a second guessing
Doomed to crumble, unless we grow, and strengthen our communication

Again, Maynard sings about how the church once was whole but fell apart, and how only communication can fix it.

Cold silence has
A tendency to
Atrophy any
Sense of compassion

I think this part is basically saying the branches' refusal to work things out by compromising will cancel any chance to come to terms and reunite.

Between supposed lovers
Between supposed brothers

This is just a reminder of how the sides of the church were once friends, and more than that, they were brothers.

I know the pieces fit, I know the pieces fit
I know the pieces fit, I know the pieces fit
I know the pieces fit, I know the pieces fit
I know the pieces fit, I know the pieces fit

Another reminder of what could be.
/award for best first post ever

Welcome to the forums also

/me reads the post

EDIT- That was pretty interesting man. Great post

[G_Mac07]

Nice first post SaturnAscends. Welcome to the forums :)

[Lateralias]

Heh, I've never listened to Kyuss, do they have good bass work?

You haven't?! I definitely suggest you check into them, great great band, great overall tone, nothing like Tool by the way (except maybe progression), but awesome none the less... they've had two bassists, Scott and Nick Oliveri. Nick played (and now plays?) for QOTSA. I can upload a few Kyuss songs if you'd like. :)

[Darkness]

I would like. :)


And after reading Saturns post... I kinda wanna listen to Schism...

[Huber]

The song schism is a historical reference to the division of the Christian church (into Catholic and Protestant, I think.). That event was called the Great Schism, hence the name of the song.

I know the pieces fit, cause I watched them fall away
Mildewed and smoldering, fundamental differing

Maynard is pointing out that it was once whole and was able to get along.

Pure intention juxtaposed will set two lovers' souls in motion
Disintegrating as it goes, testing our communication
The light that fueled our fire then has burned a hole between us
So we cannot see to reach an end, crippling our communication

Here, the pure intention signifies the ultimate goals of christianity, juxtaposed implies the goals were compared, and the souls in motion is that the comparison rendered biased views of the goals and of the church.

I know the pieces fit ‘cause I watched them tumble down
No fault, none to blame; it doesn’t mean I don’t desire
To point the finger, blame the other, watch the temple topple over
To bring the pieces back together, rediscover communication

The pieces are the branches of christianity, and the no fault shows that neither side is to blame for it, but they chose to blame each other. The rediscovery of communication is apparently what will unite the church once again.

The poetry that comes from the squaring off between
And the circling is worth it, finding beauty in the dissonance

I am not too sure about this part, but I think it sounds like Maynard is referring to himself, saying that the song or poetry that resulted from the event made the event worth occuring. The beauty is the great song we hear today, the dissonance is the separation of the church.

There was a time that the pieces fit, but I watched them fall away
Mildewed and smoldering, strangled by our coveting
I’ve done the math, enough to know the dangers of a second guessing
Doomed to crumble, unless we grow, and strengthen our communication

Again, Maynard sings about how the church once was whole but fell apart, and how only communication can fix it.

Cold silence has
A tendency to
Atrophy any
Sense of compassion

I think this part is basically saying the branches' refusal to work things out by compromising will cancel any chance to come to terms and reunite.

Between supposed lovers
Between supposed brothers

This is just a reminder of how the sides of the church were once friends, and more than that, they were brothers.

I know the pieces fit, I know the pieces fit
I know the pieces fit, I know the pieces fit
I know the pieces fit, I know the pieces fit
I know the pieces fit, I know the pieces fit

Another reminder of what could be.


I thought this was common knowledge, but still, I think this is the best first post ever

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I think I might have to nominate that guy for n00b of the month after one post. :confused:

I think he has already single postedly surpassed the amount of knowledge I have dispensed into this thread. :p

Also, since you've all been talking about Lateralus' epicness, I think that it is my favorite album of all time. Hopefully that'll change by the end of this year, with the new Tool album and such.

[BlindWriting]

Nice first post, man.

[BlindWriting]

Also, since you've all been talking about Lateralus' epicness, I think that it is my favorite album of all time. Hopefully that'll change by the end of this year, with the new Tool album and such.
I agree.
Because only Tool can beat out Tool for my favorite album ever.

[Lateralias]

I would like. :)


And after reading Saturns post... I kinda wanna listen to Schism...

http://s20.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3FQ6RE7UDQ3HS0NMM3VIF7E57V
Green Machine

http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=32OXWDY1Y0ZV20XQQWP77PWP3N
50 Million Year Trip

I should upload some stuff off Welcome To Sky Valley, as it is more progressive-ish and has Scott Reeder on it, but the songs are in groups so I'll need to split them...

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I'm just glad that Saturn wants to impress us. He had the common decency to post something thought-provoking. Good job, Saturn!

[Futuro]

about the kyuss thing im pretty sure scott reeder played with tool on the cover of Demon cleaner.....am i correct?

[Lateralias]

^^ Correct, he was the bassist at the time Kyuss had done Demon Cleaner on WTSV

I'm just glad that Saturn wants to impress us. He had the common decency to post something thought-provoking. Good job, Saturn!
Yes that was a great song interpretation and an awesome first post, I've always thought it had something to do with a church because apparently the word Schism it self means seperation of something such as a church.

[Moses]

The song schism is a historical reference to the division of the Christian church (into Catholic and Protestant, I think.). That event was called the Great Schism, hence the name of the song.

I know the pieces fit, cause I watched them fall away
Mildewed and smoldering, fundamental differing

Maynard is pointing out that it was once whole and was able to get along.

Pure intention juxtaposed will set two lovers' souls in motion
Disintegrating as it goes, testing our communication
The light that fueled our fire then has burned a hole between us
So we cannot see to reach an end, crippling our communication

Here, the pure intention signifies the ultimate goals of christianity, juxtaposed implies the goals were compared, and the souls in motion is that the comparison rendered biased views of the goals and of the church.

I know the pieces fit ‘cause I watched them tumble down
No fault, none to blame; it doesn’t mean I don’t desire
To point the finger, blame the other, watch the temple topple over
To bring the pieces back together, rediscover communication

The pieces are the branches of christianity, and the no fault shows that neither side is to blame for it, but they chose to blame each other. The rediscovery of communication is apparently what will unite the church once again.

The poetry that comes from the squaring off between
And the circling is worth it, finding beauty in the dissonance

I am not too sure about this part, but I think it sounds like Maynard is referring to himself, saying that the song or poetry that resulted from the event made the event worth occuring. The beauty is the great song we hear today, the dissonance is the separation of the church.

There was a time that the pieces fit, but I watched them fall away
Mildewed and smoldering, strangled by our coveting
I’ve done the math, enough to know the dangers of a second guessing
Doomed to crumble, unless we grow, and strengthen our communication

Again, Maynard sings about how the church once was whole but fell apart, and how only communication can fix it.

Cold silence has
A tendency to
Atrophy any
Sense of compassion

I think this part is basically saying the branches' refusal to work things out by compromising will cancel any chance to come to terms and reunite.

Between supposed lovers
Between supposed brothers

This is just a reminder of how the sides of the church were once friends, and more than that, they were brothers.

I know the pieces fit, I know the pieces fit
I know the pieces fit, I know the pieces fit
I know the pieces fit, I know the pieces fit
I know the pieces fit, I know the pieces fit

Another reminder of what could be.


Thank God you didn't come in here in April because I might have not won the NRMOTM that time.

[Darkness]

http://s20.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3FQ6RE7UDQ3HS0NMM3VIF7E57V
Green Machine

http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=32OXWDY1Y0ZV20XQQWP77PWP3N
50 Million Year Trip

I should upload some stuff off Welcome To Sky Valley, as it is more progressive-ish and has Scott Reeder on it, but the songs are in groups so I'll need to split them...
Thanks, Downloaded now, ganna listen tomorrow. :thumb:

[Moses]

1) Peach did indeed open for Tool on some shows done in Britain/Europe, in 1994

2) I don't know what Tool would've sounded like if Justin hadn't gotten the nod, but I can say that I can't imagine Aenima and Lateralus without him.
I could imagine Aenima but definately not Lateralus.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Lateralias-Thanks for the Kyuss tracks. I only DLed Green Machine due to my connection. I just listened to it now, and judging from my first impression, I liked the song, but I don't really imagine my self buying one of their albums. Still not a bad track though. I liked intro for some reason...Just kind of wierd. :p

[AIC/EAZY-E]

Demon Cleaner, Gardenia, Writhe and Space Cadet are Kyuss' best songs IMO. Tool did a good cover of Demon Cleaner but Adam messed up a few guitar parts which brang it down a few notches. I wish Josh Garcia sang like that in another Kyuss song, as at first impression I thought it was Josh Homme...which kind of made the song better.

[Lateralias]

Lateralias-Thanks for the Kyuss tracks. I only DLed Green Machine due to my connection. I just listened to it now, and judging from my first impression, I liked the song, but I don't really imagine my self buying one of their albums. Still not a bad track though. I liked intro for some reason...Just kind of wierd. :p

You should give some songs on Welcome to Sky Valley a try, in my opinion it's a different sound... with songs such as Whitewater and Demon Cleaner. If you'd like to give some of those songs a listen I can upload 'em.. but glad you like Green Machine :thumb:

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

It's so tedious for me to download even one song...My mom has been looking into getting some DSL, so once I get a faster type of intraweb, I will be more than obliged to check out some more Kyuss. :D

Is the only connection Kyuss has to Tool the fact that their bassist tried out for Tool's vacant position?

G mac-Oh yeah, that too. :p What's your new avatar? Something special, or just a cool picture?

[G_Mac07]

Is the only connection Kyuss has to Tool the fact that their bassist tried out for Tool's vacant position?

Tool covered Demon Cleaner with Scott Reeder, as mentioned already on this page.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

The song schism is a historical reference to the division of the Christian church (into Catholic and Protestant, I think.). That event was called the Great Schism, hence the name of the song.

I know the pieces fit, cause I watched them fall away
Mildewed and smoldering, fundamental differing

Maynard is pointing out that it was once whole and was able to get along.

Pure intention juxtaposed will set two lovers' souls in motion
Disintegrating as it goes, testing our communication
The light that fueled our fire then has burned a hole between us
So we cannot see to reach an end, crippling our communication

Here, the pure intention signifies the ultimate goals of christianity, juxtaposed implies the goals were compared, and the souls in motion is that the comparison rendered biased views of the goals and of the church.

I know the pieces fit ‘cause I watched them tumble down
No fault, none to blame; it doesn’t mean I don’t desire
To point the finger, blame the other, watch the temple topple over
To bring the pieces back together, rediscover communication

The pieces are the branches of christianity, and the no fault shows that neither side is to blame for it, but they chose to blame each other. The rediscovery of communication is apparently what will unite the church once again.

The poetry that comes from the squaring off between
And the circling is worth it, finding beauty in the dissonance

I am not too sure about this part, but I think it sounds like Maynard is referring to himself, saying that the song or poetry that resulted from the event made the event worth occuring. The beauty is the great song we hear today, the dissonance is the separation of the church.

There was a time that the pieces fit, but I watched them fall away
Mildewed and smoldering, strangled by our coveting
I’ve done the math, enough to know the dangers of a second guessing
Doomed to crumble, unless we grow, and strengthen our communication

Again, Maynard sings about how the church once was whole but fell apart, and how only communication can fix it.

Cold silence has
A tendency to
Atrophy any
Sense of compassion

I think this part is basically saying the branches' refusal to work things out by compromising will cancel any chance to come to terms and reunite.

Between supposed lovers
Between supposed brothers

This is just a reminder of how the sides of the church were once friends, and more than that, they were brothers.

I know the pieces fit, I know the pieces fit
I know the pieces fit, I know the pieces fit
I know the pieces fit, I know the pieces fit
I know the pieces fit, I know the pieces fit

Another reminder of what could be.

Great first post, but I have to say that I completely disagree with this post. A schism usually involves a split in a religion, but it doesn't always have to be about religion. To me, personally, Lateralus deals with things involved with human behavior, becoming a better person, being a stronger person. For example, The Grudge is literally telling how it's childish to hold grudges and you shouldn't hold them, The Patient talks about having enough desire and want for something that a person can pull through, remain patient, because he knows eventually he can get what he is wanting. Schism, to me, is about a relationship. It's about a relationship that ended and the lyrics deal with why it happened, if this person should give up, etc. "I’ve done the math, enough to know the dangers of a second guessing. Doomed to crumble, unless we grow, and strengthen our communication" Meaning that he knows a second try at this relationship, even though it's very strong, will fail without talking to each other about certain things. This is just my opinion.

[easchill]

tool suck soooooo bad :evil:

[Lateralias]

tool suck soooooo bad :evil:

Don't post here then if you think so.

[Reywas]

he's just trolling.

[Kurrpt]

i hate people that dissect fukking lyrics and give their dam theories.........

[Shadius]

i hate people that dissect fukking lyrics and give their dam theories.........

You hate the people, or you hate people doing that?

There is a difference, stop hating people so much, it's not healthy.

[Huber]

i hate people that dissect fukking lyrics and give their dam theories.........

I hope your being sarcastic, because there is just nothing wrong with that at all.

[Kurrpt]

figure of speech. I dont hate anyone, for real, because to HATE someone requires too much dam energy. Im too lazy to hate haha

[Kurrpt]

I hope your being sarcastic, because there is just nothing wrong with that at all.


well lets put it this way. Its about as dumb as having a painting, and having people tell you what the painter was thinking when he wrote. Frivilous!

[Huber]

well lets put it this way. Its about as dumb as having a painting, and having people tell you what the painter was thinking when he wrote. Frivilous!

There is nothing wrong with sharing a theory. Coming to your own conclusion is fine. The way your saying it is as though someone said they were 100% correct.

[Kurrpt]

There is nothing wrong with sharing a theory. Coming to your own conclusion is fine. The way your saying it is as though someone said they were 100% correct.


its pointless really.

[Shadius]

its pointless really.

As pointless as you complaining about it, perhaps?

[Kurrpt]

As pointless as you complaining about it, perhaps?


or defending it

[Huber]

or defending it

If you can't find the real conclusion to a song (which in a Tool song's case, it's impossible), having your own conclusion makes listening infinitely better.


and defending, whining, bitching, whatever you want to call it, it's for no reason. Get over it.

[Kurrpt]

If you can't find the real conclusion to a song (which in a Tool song's case, it's impossible), having your own conclusion makes listening infinitely better.


and defending, whining, bitching, whatever you want to call it, it's for no reason. Get over it.


hmm...yea i hate it :thumb:

[Huber]

hmm...yea i hate it :thumb:

Best comeback ever?

[Kurrpt]

Best comeback ever?


haha you talk about it as if it were open to discussion. You said your peice, and obviously it didnt affect me, so i refer back to original statement

and saying "nice comeback" is worse than no comeback, especially when one wasnt intended

[BlindWriting]

Could someone get me a Tool-related link? At one point, I saw a Tool fansite that had a really interesting phrase about how matter is made up of vibrations, which is sound, which in turn is music, meaning that life is music. I'm looking for the quote, but I can't remember the site it belonged to, and I tried seaching for it. Anyone have an idea?

[Kage]

It sounds familiar but I can't place it...doesn't one of the samples at the beginning of Third Eye say something about how life is made up of vibrations?

[G_Mac07]

It sounds familiar but I can't place it...doesn't one of the samples at the beginning of Third Eye say something about how life is made up of vibrations?

I have that Bill Hicks clip on my computer, and I've actually been looking for it recently. Problem is it's lost amongst the rest of my Bill Hicks stuff. When I find it I'll post it up.

[Huber]

haha you talk about it as if it were open to discussion. You said your peice, and obviously it didnt affect me, so i refer back to original statement

and saying "nice comeback" is worse than no comeback, especially when one wasnt intended

The internet made me sound like a dick. I was being sarcastic, because I thought you were being sarcastic.

[Kage]

Alright, enough bickering, you two.

Forming theories is great, in my opinion, becuase I always think that everyone should come away from a truly good lyricist's song with something of his own, and take his own meaning out of what is being said. That way, it's more personal and is better enjoyed.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Yeah, I probably shouldn't have contributed. *deletes last post*

[Huber]

Alright, enough bickering, you two.

Forming theories is great, in my opinion, becuase I always think that everyone should come away from a truly good lyricist's song with something of his own, and take his own meaning out of what is being said. That way, it's more personal and is better enjoyed.

Yeah, I said almost exactly that earlier.

Bicker bicker bicker.

[Kage]

Yeah, I said almost exactly that earlier.

Bicker bicker bicker.
:cool:

[BlindWriting]

It sounds familiar but I can't place it...doesn't one of the samples at the beginning of Third Eye say something about how life is made up of vibrations?
As cool as that one is, no. I don't think it's a Bill Hicks quote, and the phrase I'm looking for hasn't actually appeared in any Tool song. I know it was on a website, though.

[Otherside]

As cool as that one is, no. I don't think it's a Bill Hicks quote, and the phrase I'm looking for hasn't actually appeared in any Tool song. I know it was on a website, though.

The link was recently posted in this thread, I can't find it though.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Could someone get me a Tool-related link? At one point, I saw a Tool fansite that had a really interesting phrase about how matter is made up of vibrations, which is sound, which in turn is music, meaning that life is music. I'm looking for the quote, but I can't remember the site it belonged to, and I tried seaching for it. Anyone have an idea?


That was a brilliant quote.

Since the one thing we can say about fundamental matter is, that it is vibrating. And since all vibrations are theoretically sound, then it is not unreasonable to suggest that the universe is music and should be perceived as such. (http://www.toolpantheon.com)

Check out the wicked wallpapers as well. :D

Kurpptguy- I know this is somewhat belated, but either way...You don't like it when someone shares an intelligent lyrical dissection? That guy's post was probably the most intelligent thing I've seen posted in this thread in maybe a week. It showed a unique perspective that I previously did not know of. Now I think of Schism in a different light.(To a certain extent, of course.) forums are all about sharing information and finding out new things, and sharing lyrical interpretations are just one way of doing so.

[drunkenboi]

I don't know if anyone said this yet and im not about to read the next 325 pages of this thread, but...

TOOL F*ING ROCKS

[Kage]

Nope, I don't believe we've been over that yet. Welcome to the forums.

[Moses]

Since the one thing we can say about fundamental matter is, that it is vibrating. And since all vibrations are theoretically sound, then it is not unreasonable to suggest that the universe is music and should be perceived as such.


After it says that he says "And here's Tom with the weather"

I love it.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

SaturnAscend's 1st post>drunkenboi's 1st post

NP: Die Eier Von Satan

I haven't seen this done before, so meh, here goes-What are some of your guys' favorite solos by Jones? I know there aren't too many, but whatever, it's worth a try.

I'd say Parabola's solo is my favorite. Simple of course, but still very sweet. The second solo in Third Eye is great too.

[Kage]

SaturnAscend's 1st post>drunkenboi's 1st post

NP: Die Eier Von Satan

I haven't seen this done before, so meh, here goes-What are some of your guys' favorite solos by Jones? I know there aren't too many, but whatever, it's worth a try.

I'd say Parabola's solo is my favorite. Simple of course, but still very sweet. The second solo in Third Eye is great too.
I love the first solo in Lateralus' title track, it's extremely cool and fun to play. The one from Parabola is really sweet as well, and of course there's no excluding the Third Eye one. I can't think of any others at the moment.

[BlindWriting]

That was a brilliant quote.

Since the one thing we can say about fundamental matter is, that it is vibrating. And since all vibrations are theoretically sound, then it is not unreasonable to suggest that the universe is music and should be perceived as such. (http://www.toolpantheon.com)

Check out the wicked wallpapers as well. :D
Thanks so much. Will do.

[Moses]

SaturnAscend's 1st post>drunkenboi's 1st post

NP: Die Eier Von Satan

I haven't seen this done before, so meh, here goes-What are some of your guys' favorite solos by Jones? I know there aren't too many, but whatever, it's worth a try.

I'd say Parabola's solo is my favorite. Simple of course, but still very sweet. The second solo in Third Eye is great too.
Parabola's solo has to be his best composed. It changes keys with the song and sounds ****ing awesome.

[BlindWriting]

SaturnAscend's 1st post>drunkenboi's 1st post

NP: Die Eier Von Satan

I haven't seen this done before, so meh, here goes-What are some of your guys' favorite solos by Jones? I know there aren't too many, but whatever, it's worth a try.

I'd say Parabola's solo is my favorite. Simple of course, but still very sweet. The second solo in Third Eye is great too.
The first big solo in Triad, the second Reflection solo, the Stinkfist solo, the second Lateralus solo, the Parabola solo (which I'm always singing to myself...), and the Cold and Ugly solo (very underappreciated).

[Kage]

The first big solo in Triad, the second Reflection solo, the Stinkfist solo, the second Lateralus solo, the Parabola solo (which I'm always singing to myself...), and the Cold and Ugly solo (very underappreciated).
Oh man, I can't believe I forgot the second Reflection solo. That's my absolute favorite solo from him, and one of my favorite moments. I love at the very end of the solo, the guitar goes back into the main riff and then the band crashes back in. Pure bliss.

[G_Mac07]

Oh man, I can't believe I forgot the second Reflection solo. That's my absolute favorite solo from him, and one of my favorite moments. I love at the very end of the solo, the guitar goes back into the main riff and then the band crashes back in. Pure bliss.

Yep, Reflection's second solo wins for me. In fact, that entire song is amazing.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

The first solo in Lateralus is fun to play. at the 0-10-12 begginning part, I love the to just slowly rock my wah pedal forward. It gives it an awesome sound. :D

[Lateralias]

The first big solo in Triad, the second Reflection solo, the Stinkfist solo, the second Lateralus solo, the Parabola solo (which I'm always singing to myself...), and the Cold and Ugly solo (very underappreciated).

I can't even begin to describe how incredible the opening solo for Triad is... and the transition it makes! It's so powerful... :cool:

The Cold and Ugly solo is awesome as well, and is overlooked.. Adam shreds it up.. a bit, but still awesome :)

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

The Triad solo is amazing. 10 effect pedals and a friggen electronic hair remover??? Quite the combination, I'd say. :p

[Lateralias]

The Triad solo is amazing. 10 effect pedals and a friggen electronic hair remover??? Quite the combination, I'd say. :p

The epilady haha.... yeah sounds awesome though, he didn't even do one pick scratch for the first part of that solo. Adam sure has his own signature sound, very distinguishable.

[Kage]

I didn't know he used the Epilady on that part

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

You can definitely tell it's not a conventional guitar pick. :p

Anyways, what are some other quirky methods of guitar playing? I tried the TV remote thing, but it didn't work. :(

[AIC/EAZY-E]

The Third Eye solo blows me away, just all the emotion put into that song, really gets to me...I saw a video clip and Adam messed it up, I felt sorry for the guy. Must've been too dark or something.

[Moses]

You can definitely tell it's not a conventional guitar pick. :p

Anyways, what are some other quirky methods of guitar playing? I tried the TV remote thing, but it didn't work. :(
It worked for me.... did you push buttons?

Also different remotes make different sounds.

[willis2441]

i love tool,they put out great music.even people who dont like rock like tool.manyards dick is a funny song.but my favorite song of all time has to be eulogy or prison sex

[clearvision]

4 degrees is jones best solo imo

or the first third eye solo, the bit where he creates all the tension by going mad at 12-14 then releases with the little lick, soo good.

[repcak]

QUESTION: i heard yesterday that tool members believe in LACHRYMOLOGY. Roland P. Vincent once wrote a book about lachrymology but the book doesn't exist!
I looked in the search function for lachrymology and the only thread was the tool-thread... but i don't want to search for it in these 327 sites!!
So, is it true (lachrymology), or is it a fake?does it exists?? tell me more about it!!

thanks

[clearvision]

Hmm, i'm not well versed in this topic, but i thought the general concenus was that tool used lachrymology as a bit of a joke and a bit of a front for the band, to humour the media and fans etc...

...Lachrymology is supposedly the study of crying or something, and members of tool said in an interview that there was a connetion with their music and lachrymology or that the band believed in lachrymology...it was something like that i think :confused:...

If you go onto the toolband main page http://www.toolband.com and wait for it to load, you should see a small dot floating around the bottom of the main bit in the center of the screen, if you click the dot it takes you to an article on lachrymology.

How much help this will be to you i do not know, I have not read the article :)

And then you can always google search on lachrymology, surf the toolshed forums http://toolshed.down.net and browse the rest of the toolband site, for more information :)

Happy hunting...

And to whether that book exists, I don't have a clue, sorry.

[clearvision]

In fact i got bored...

here is some information about your book posted by blair on toolband...

20 Dec 03
LACHRYMOLOGY AND RONALD P. VINCENT
EMAIL: Whatever happened to the band re-publishing Vincent’s The Joyful Guide to Lachrymology? It was said that Vincent only had one family member left and “she” was fighting to keep it from being published again. Do you know anything about it? Have you read it?

Evidently there are many readers of this site who are unaware that I have recently published on Toolband an extensive account about my on-going research into Vincent’s Magnum Opus. Having had the 'book' (a mimeographed short story only 49 pages long that reads more like a pseudo diary) in my possession for many years, I have come to the startling conclusion that “the Guide” is definitely not about espousing some psychotherapeutic process of inner advancement though pain as many people concluded (those who didn’t think the whole thing was a hoax) from the bio included with promotional copies of Undertow , but is in reality a "dark grail" (i.e. an initiation document that contains cryptic allusions to an occult system of esoteric cannibalism involving a mysterious substance known as "The Glitter of the Sleepers" – the substance [tears] of Vincent’s riddle: "what kind of honey hunters in ancient Egypt were protected by royal archers?"). Although it took years of painstaking research, the crocodile tears of Vincent’s narrative (with its most purple of purple prose), was a mystery that I just couldn’t let go. To quote myself, "Like an onion (with its allinase enzymes as a lachrymator – and one that nearly brought me to tears out of sheer frustration), I slowly began to peel away the various layers of subtle meaning until a different picture, or in this case, a different ‘book’ began to emerge." It was around this time that the band went silent on the whole subject of Lachrymology.

"LET NOT MY TEARS FALL UNNOTICED…"

As stated at the beginning of this piece, my investigation into the murky origins of Lachrymology has been posted on the Toolband site, although I practically had to hide it as several band members are still reluctant to talk about 'the Guide' (even though one was quite surprised when, in his own home no less, I typed the name Ronald P. Vincent into an anagram program on the internet and found among the seemingly endless column of meaningless arrangements of letters one fascinating phrase: DNA CLOVEN PRINT, this being a perfect anagram for Ronald P. Vincent). Although I quickly dismissed this as just a strange coincidence (after all, the guide was supposedly written in 1949, before the discovery of DNA?), I have found several connections (albeit in rather nebulous passages) with the Lachrymology "Jewels of Telling" and the tarot trump called The Devil , with the Major Arcana cards The Fool and Adjustment ( Justice in the older decks) also providing a key to unlocking the hidden meaning of Vincent’s lachrymose prose.

But to answer the other question, I do have hopes of publishing The Joyful Guide to Lachrymology with a projected lengthy commentary in the near future. In the meantime, I have recently begun to explore the Picasso dimension of Vincent’s tenebrant flame (as well as a possible connection with the Priory of Sion and Rennes-le-Chateau) and will post my findings for others to scrutinize.

Blair MacKenzie Blake

[Otherside]

I like the sound of the Pushit solo, personally, and of course all the other ones that have already been mentioned.

[jamesclelland]

did anyone mention the eulogy solo (more of a lead lick) but in any case, my favorite from the aenima album.

[Darkness]

I think that Lachrymology stuff is really cool... I'll have to find out more.


As for solos, I like almost all of them, both Lateralus ones, Reflection, Third eye, Ænema, and the Pushit one is really cool. Oh and Parabola.

[Rothmans]

But the whole lachrymnology was supposed to be a in band joke isnt it?

[Darkness]

It was?

[Rothmans]

It was?

Yeah I am trying to remember it and it was posted up here aswell and adam or somone has a book called the joyful way of lachrymnology.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I believe so, yes. The band has a very odd sense of humor.

[Darkness]

Strange..

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

In that I was a vociferous cell phone hold out until quite recently, I really don’t know if there are any MP3 quality TOOL snippets available to purchase as ringtones (let alone super ringtones), but I did overhear members of the band discussing this very thing with regards to one of their new songs – in fact, the 18-minute-long song – and I believe it was Maynard who wanted it to be made available to purchase/download as a polyphonic ringtone, with the only stipulation being that the song WASN’T edited in length… this for people who really want TOOL on their cell phone!

--Blair

Yeah, I have no idea why. But I just got extremely excited when I found out that they were coming out with an 18 minute song.

[Kage]

Haha, an 18 minute ringtone!

If it's anything like the odyssey that is Third Eye, I will be very happy. It seems to me Tool's longest songs tend to be their best (Third Eye, Lateralus, Reflection, Eulogy), because they can just let the song go wherever it needs to.

[Magicaltroll]

Haha, an 18 minute ringtone!

If it's anything like the odyssey that is Third Eye, I will be very happy. It seems to me Tool's longest songs tend to be their best (Third Eye, Lateralus, Reflection, Eulogy), because they can just let the song go wherever it needs to.
*cough PUSHIT! cough*
Yeah, I can't wait to hear the "heavier" Tool.
Or jsut Tool, either one will be awesome.

[Huber]

Sucks for the guy on the other end, he's gotta wait 18 minutes.

[Magicaltroll]

Sucks for the guy on the other end, he's gotta wait 18 minutes.
:lol:
Yeah. I don't think I'd be answering the phone until the song was done.

[Darkness]

Heh, thats pretty funny... read the one about the guy asking about 46&2, Blair says it was recorded in a parallel dimension.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Haha, an 18 minute ringtone!

If it's anything like the odyssey that is Third Eye, I will be very happy. It seems to me Tool's longest songs tend to be their best (Third Eye, Lateralus, Reflection, Eulogy), because they can just let the song go wherever it needs to.

Exactly. The thing is, I have full confidence that Tool will make the best of those 18 minutes. Imagine an 18 minute long masterpiece? I can't; but I know that they can do it. They've already done an almost 14 minute one.

Edit: The thing I found funny was that Tool's joke was sticking it to the obnoxious people who play their stupid ringtones and think that we care. It sounds nothing like the real song.

[Huber]

I don't know if this is anything big to ask for, but I'd like a backing track (for me on drums) for The Outsider. I don't know how much bass works into that song, but I guess just guitar would be nice. I hate playing over other drums, and that song gets lots of play time while I'm on my kit.

[Kage]

Exactly. The thing is, I have full confidence that Tool will make the best of those 18 minutes. Imagine an 18 minute long masterpiece? I can't; but I know that they can do it. They've already done an almost 14 minute one.

Edit: The thing I found funny was that Tool's joke was sticking it to the obnoxious people who play their stupid ringtones and think that we care. It sounds nothing like the real song.
Tool's writing style is so mature and developed, I know it won't be just pointless wanking for 18 minutes. They can really weave in and out of different emotions, styles, moods, and atmospheres in the course of one song. Just imagine the overhaul of 18 minutes.

[Darkness]

Yes, it is developed well... but I still don't know if they can beat Lateralus. :( I wish I had some assurence that this will be as good as we all hope it will be.

[Huber]

Tool's writing style is so mature and developed, I know it won't be just pointless wanking for 18 minutes. They can really weave in and out of different emotions, styles, moods, and atmospheres in the course of one song. Just imagine the overhaul of 18 minutes.

I don't have like, any idea why this thought crossed my mind, but I remember reading somewhere that Danny said people should do something along the lines of some occult research to understand there new songs. Anyone else hear of this, or am I nuts?

[Dude3]

--Blair

Yeah, I have no idea why. But I just got extremely excited when I found out that they were coming out with an 18 minute song.
This album must now officially pre-kick ***. There is no way it can be bad(ok, it can. But an 18 minute Tool song? YESSSSS.)

[Kage]

I don't have like, any idea why this thought crossed my mind, but I remember reading somewhere that Danny said people should do something along the lines of some occult research to understand there new songs. Anyone else hear of this, or am I nuts?
I'm pretty sure Danny has always encouraged that kind of thing, but I have the feeling what you're saying does have some accuracy. But that's a pretty vague topic, is there anything more specific you remember?

[Moses]

I'm pretty sure Danny has always encouraged that kind of thing, but I have the feeling what you're saying does have some accuracy. But that's a pretty vague topic, is there anything more specific you remember?
I read somewhere that he "summons demons" in one of his songs with his drums. But they start rumors just to mess with Toolfans' heads, because of their sense of humor.

[Kage]

I have a feeling that that falls under the humor category with them.

[Huber]

I read somewhere that he "summons demons" in one of his songs with his drums. But they start rumors just to mess with Toolfans' heads, because of their sense of humor.

Yeah, that whole rumor started with his drum-tech. He does however, have a demon catching artifact thing behind his kit.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

This album must now officially pre-kick ***. There is no way it can be bad(ok, it can. But an 18 minute Tool song? YESSSSS.)

If it turns out to be a Disgustipated.... chairs WILL be thrown.

[Kage]

If it turns out to be a Disgustipated.... chairs WILL be thrown.
:lol:

Altough that's still an awesome song.

[Huber]

I'd definetly make Disgustipated my ringtone if I could.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

This is necessary! Life feeds on life.

yeah kage, it was funny for like the first 3 times, but after 10 minutes, it was nothing more than nonsensical Goth Primus rantings.

...which i guess is still funny, but not for 15 minutes!

[Kage]

yeah kage, it was funny for like the first 3 times, but after 10 minutes, it was nothing more than nonsensical Goth Primus rantings.

...which i guess is still funny, but not for 15 minutes!
:lol: I enjoyed the weird percussion sounds and how it got more intense each time. It was so weird that it was one of the songs that got me interested to check Tool out further. Still, I can't say it's one of the highlights from Undertow or anything.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

/listens to Disgustipated again

[Kage]

/listens to Disgustipated again
I'll still join you in throwing chairs if the new song is anything like that.

[Huber]

I'll still join you in throwing chairs if the new song is anything like that.

I'll throw chairs to, but just because you don't have to have an excuse for throwing chairs, it's just that fun.

[Kage]

Although I don't think I've ever actually thrown one.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

These are the cries of the carrots

I was so right when I called that song Goth Primus

[Darkness]

Some of the stuff in that song is kinda cool, but god it is annoying.

[Kage]

He really says carrots? I didn't know that.


I've never thrown a chair, but that doesn't go to say there aren't any holes in my walls.

[Huber]

There's a hole in my door, which believe me is the lamest place to have a hole. The world thinks it's funny to yell through it and scare the crap out of me.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Plus, it kind of defeats the purpose of having a door.

[Kage]

:lol: There are several places on my wall where the poster is not just there by coincidence.

[Magicaltroll]

I threw a chair once... It was intense.

I was like 7 though. I was on Riddlin (sp?) and it made me REALLY pissed off all the time. So thats why I did it.

[G_Mac07]

I'd definetly make Disgustipated my ringtone if I could.

Heh, I've been trying to get a good recording of Intermission for mine :cool:

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Heh, I've been trying to get a good recording of Intermission for mine :cool:

See, now THAT makes sense.... It's a simple organ or synth tune.

[Otherside]

It was daylight when you woke up in your ditch.
You looked up at your sky then.
That made blue be your color. You had your knife there with you too.
When you stood up there was goo all over your clothes.
Your hands were sticky.
You wiped them on your grass, so now your color was green.
Oh Lord, why did everything always have to keep changing like this.
You were already getting nervous again.
Your head hurt and it rang when you stood up.
Your head was almost empty.
It always hurt you when you woke up like this.
You crawled up out of your ditch onto your gravel road and began to walk,
waiting for the rest of your mind to come back to you.
You can see the car parked far down the road and you walked toward it.
"If God is our Father," you thought, "then Satan must be our cousin."
Why didn't anyone else understand these important things?
You got to your car and tried all the doors.
They were locked. It was a red car and it was new.
There was an expensive leather camera case laying on the seat.
Out across your field, you could see two tiny people walking by your woods.
You began to walk towards them.
Now red was your color and, of course,
those little people out there were yours too.

That part is so eerie... I love freaking out friends with it when they come over. Well, that, Faaip De Oiad and Mantra.

[Huber]

:lol: There are several places on my wall where the poster is not just there by coincidence.

Holy crap, I can't believe I never thought of that. I need a poster!