Tool

[Adam Jones is GOD]

If I was committed to googling it I'm sure I could find what Maynard used.

Same here, but it isn't reliable on finding specifics. Thats why im hoping someone here may know

[deadohiosky9]

I didn't know that Maynard played guitar on The Noose. Thats cool. I had always wondered if he played any instruments.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

He plays quite a few, but most of them are quite exotic or unheard of. Im digging around now to find out what they are

[deadohiosky9]

Ya. It would be interesting to know what they are. I'll look around too.

[ShineOnYouCrazyDiamond]

thought i would post this here, havent gotten any replies in the thread i made. If this has been aksed before or is jsut a stupid question im sorry. Is salival a rare album? Cause I can't find it anywhere , and when I do the price is insanely high. I really want it because I love the No Quarter cover and would like to hear the rest of the album.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Its a DVD/CD combo, and its VERY rare now

*me has a copy :)

The rest of the album is live tracks, unreleased songs and a few other extra 'filler' tracks to suit tool fas needs

Tracklist

Third Eye (live)
part of Me (Live)
Pu**** (live and reworked, probably the best tool song IMO)
Message to Harry Manback part 2 (more hilarity from the dodgy answering machine message)
You Lied (live, cover of Justins old band Peach)
Merkaba (live, unreleased)
LAMC (Legendary piss taking track)
Maynard's Dick (Old song, unreleased)

[ShineOnYouCrazyDiamond]

oh **** , yeah i was looking on ebay and it was 120 for a used copy and around 300 for a new ( at the cheapest). Is there anyhope of a rerelease?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Simply put, no. It was released to be a special edition thing, but plans for another DVD are on the horizon. If you're just after the music though, im afraid that downloading is the only option, if not buying

[deadohiosky9]

Ya I got Salival on Ebay for 70 bux. Its expensive. Really rare. If you realy want it, they have a lot on ebay. Don't go to amazon, those are way too f.ucking expensive.

[uthinktoomuch]

anyone word on the new album or are u just going to burn me for asking

[stumpetioto]

welll there is but probably lies tool messes with there fans heads

[Adam Jones is GOD]

There is probably multiple mentions of what we know on the previous pages, but the bottom line is that its on its way, but who knows when

[an_underused_memory]

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD] i always hear that the tabla on the live version was done by Aloke (cant think of full name, often referred to as the 'tabla master') who is friends with the band. I know he did a few shows with the band, performing tabla in their songs, and I was sure this was one.

Yeah, it was Aloke Dutta, Danny's teacher...
I thought there was both live and synth tabla on the Salival verasion. I may be mistaken.
What a **** good excuse to have another listen :)
Certainly when in Sydney they put a tabla intro as well (not as exciting as the salival version but still beautiful) and Aloke was deifnately not there!
Brain is fried from too many late ones, but i'll relisten to it...

[ænima]

hey does any one know of the release date for their dvd? someone has probaly asked this already but im just too lazy to go back and search through20 pages

[PeEpHoLe_10]

^^^
I dont think Tool even knows that. Probably wont even happen. Lazy ****s, wish they would hurry up and just release their new album.

[Merkaba]

Hey!

ok now that i have your attention. this same guy i posted about before is ripping off maynard again over in the songwriting section! heres the link.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4404636#post4404636post4404636

I mean, i try to be fair and all, but stuff like this is way too far. and you shouldve seen the last one he wrote. he admitted that it was basically fuked up. and said to disregard it. You can find it in there somewhere if you want to. But please come over and respond and let this guy know that he is not just using a few words that someone else wrote. i mean, come on. we cant let every joe blow go around trying to eat off of maynards work. i wont tolerate it, and i will let it be known. its cheap. go and post! now!

and tell him to get off of..."Maynards DIIIIIICCKKK!!"

[Paranoidd]

Ya. It would be interesting to know what they are. I'll look around too.

http://www.musicyo.com/brandpos.asp?dept_id=3

Was it ANY of those?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Yeah, it looks like one of them, I was looking at some today in Academy Of Sound (didnt have the guitar I was after in :( ) I've actually emailled Blair about the whole matter as it is really bugging me, but its unlikely he would reply, unless he's having a slow post month

[Paranoidd]

I like Steinberger. They are so accomodating to left hand players.

[stumpetioto]

here i got this thing on mantra i always thought it was a scream just mixed up and i was looking up lyrics of tool the official ones on kabir's site amd when it said . . . . . .
and all the other intervals he says there are no lyrics so maybe it is saying something

[Paranoidd]

Mantra?

Mantra is the sound of Maynard squeezing his cat. The cat meows, and he pitch shifted it down.

Thats all it is...

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Both of the 'filler' tracks on that album seem to have something to do with the bands pets. Maynards cat, Eon Blue apocalypse, with Eon being the name of Adams deceased dog. And Undertow featured Adam's (unfortunately again deceased) Pig , who's name escapes me on the album artwork

[deadohiosky9]

That guy keeps ripping off Tool. And he denies it so much. Its unbelievable.

[clown_phobia]

tool = death metal ?

[TheMachineRagesOn]

tool = death metal ?


No, and no

[TheMachineRagesOn]

although there might a connection with some of their lyrics if you wnat to interpret them that way.








i dont know :upset:

[Dancin' Man]

Guess what I saw.

The Parabola video on MTV :eek:

It was on an episode with the 20 best metal videos of the new millenium. The didn't show the Parabol part but that's ok. What's even better is that it was like 7 or 8 on the list, pretty high considering the proggishness on MTV.

[stumpetioto]

yeah it can be on mtv2 on headbangers ball its just a compliation of songs slapped into one really its cool they always play one tool song thank god i have sky+ i can record them :D :D :D

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Guess what I saw.

The Parabola video on MTV :eek:

It was on an episode with the 20 best metal videos of the new millenium. The didn't show the Parabol part but that's ok. What's even better is that it was like 7 or 8 on the list, pretty high considering the proggishness on MTV.

Was this MTV america or UK? If UK, then OMG, but if America, then.......OMG!

Been a looooong time since I saw a Tool vid on any music channel here, since MTV2 played parabola FOR AN HOUR on MTV2 when it was released.

[opiate4themasses]

MTV2 played parabola FOR AN HOUR on MTV2 when it was released.
HEAVEN

[Adam Jones is GOD]

HEAVEN

:lol: It really was, they played it as promotional stunt, and it worked. Even the official Tool site commented on it with praise. Hopefully they will do it again when the nest video comes out.

[Paranoidd]

Has anyone played Doom 3? Anybody notice the title track sounds ALOT like a certain Tool song?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Yes, lots of people (me included) thought it was a Tool song, but it was done by someone connected to NIN.

O/T: Whats doom 3 like? worth a look?

[The JoZ]

1) I have seen Schism on MTV. I have seen Parabola on MTV. Not MTV 2, MTV. Good luck trying to find either nowadays though

2) TDN said that Tool was indeed adding something to Doom 3...so...

[Paranoidd]

Yes, lots of people (me included) thought it was a Tool song, but it was done by someone connected to NIN.

O/T: Whats doom 3 like? worth a look?

It's pretty good, if you've got the box to run it. I just beat it about 10 minutes ago (took 3-4 days of playing, not too long).

Graphics are beautiful, nice storyline, nice ambient effects, monsters look good.

I'm running an athlon 2600 with a GeForce 4 and half a gig of RAM. I ran it on medium quality (it goes low, medium, high, ultra) and it chopped only a little bit, if there were too many monsters on screen.

All in all, pretty good game. The hell level was REALLY cool.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I was thinking of playing it for the multiplayer option only, so its either that or UT2004 where my money is going.

Back on topic now, has Hush been played on any channel ever? I know that MTV2 UK did have EVERY tool video on one day back to back, and Hush appeared right at the end. Its great to see even back then that they were putting a message out (and maynard looks so young, danny looks the same)

[an_underused_memory]

Hush has been played a few times in Australia, on Rage, the weekend midnight - dawn video show.
Sats they have guest programmers and on the APC Mer de Noms tour (2000) Billy, Maynard and ..the guitarist who i forget the name of and will be crucified for not knowing. The inteludes between videos were pretty funny, with billy trying to be serious and eventually joking with maynard who was his usual smart-*** self.
video list was interesting too, i may type it out sometime and post it.

[The JoZ]

The other guitarist was Troy Van Lee-somthing...I don't remember how to spell his last name though

[deadohiosky9]

I've never seen a Tool video on TV. I am very surprised to hear that MTV has shown Tool music videos.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

They used to be played frequently in the Uk, but rarely on MTV, it was MTV2's area. Kerrang never touched them, and Scuzz never plays them, so its a case of watching the DVD for me.

Can anyone tell me the name of the director who made the Sober video with Adam? I know there was another director invovled, but his name totally escapes me. Anyone know?

[iceman3019]

i've never seen prision sex or hush on mtv, but i did see shcism many times back when it was big and i've seen parabol/parabola like once . . .

[deadohiosky9]

They used to be played frequently in the Uk, but rarely on MTV, it was MTV2's area. Kerrang never touched them, and Scuzz never plays them, so its a case of watching the DVD for me.

Can anyone tell me the name of the director who made the Sober video with Adam? I know there was another director invovled, but his name totally escapes me. Anyone know?

The other director's name is Fred Stuhr.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

*ding ding ding* The name rings a bell, thanks, thats the guy. It can stop bugging me now

[deadohiosky9]

Haha ya. I heard Opiate on the radio today. Which is like very very rare. THey never play Tool on the radio, esp. in Alabama.

[ShineOnYouCrazyDiamond]

hey does anyone know a site where I can watch the Tool videos?

[deadohiosky9]

They have Tool videos at Toolshed I believe. Toolshed (http://toolshed.down.net)

[Dancin' Man]

Has anyone played Doom 3? Anybody notice the title track sounds ALOT like a certain Tool song?

The band is Tweaker. It's the guy who was the live guitarist for NiN for a while.

[BunnYzWillEAtYoU]

Guess what I saw.

The Parabola video on MTV :eek:

It was on an episode with the 20 best metal videos of the new millenium. The didn't show the Parabol part but that's ok. What's even better is that it was like 7 or 8 on the list, pretty high considering the proggishness on MTV.

stinkfist is on mtv2's "Video's from hell" sometimes. I think thats one of their best videos, but they are all good. I saw it twice in the same day (which made me happy). True story-- the next day I bought Aenima.

[IvortheEngineDriver]

The Parabol video rocks...I heard that song the first time and I just sat back and went "Wow"

But I remember when I was really little seeing the Sober video...I remember saying "WTF?"

:)

[Dancin' Man]

And Fuses Uranium uses 2 clips from Schism (at the same time which is wierd) for their ad

[TheMachineRagesOn]

great site toolshed lots of interesting info and stuff.

[Dancin' Man]

I didn't get it from Toolshed...... But yeah, it is awesome. Especially the videos.

[xtreme450]

Ok, I'm surprised I haven't seen this mentioned on here 'cause usually I see it on many other Tool boards...Anyway, have any of you heard about the whole Fibonacci sequence being related to the entire album "Laterlaus"? You know, I'm not too sure if this is exactly true or not but I just thought I'd post it...

The drum beat for track #9: Lateralus on the album follows the Fibonacci sequence. The Fibonacci sequence, to summarize, is a mathematical pattern where you add the last two digits of the pattern to get the next (ex.- 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, etc.). When this pattern is graphed out, it forms a spiral, which is what Lateralus means. Though he looked beyond this and realized that if he were to lay the songs on the graph in accordance with the Fibonacci sequence (this idea is explained further in the link) then he could perhaps come up with an alternate track order. His process began with placing track numbers 6 and 7 in the center of the graph seeing as he knew they had to run together. Then through a process of creating two spirals, he finally found an alternate order to the album that, if they were edited correctly, would make all the tracks run together almost as one song. Suddenly tracks were making much more sense. He discovered that if this new order were to be true, then track #4: Mantra, would go after track #8:Ticks and Leeches. The last line of Ticks and Leeches is "I hope you choke", and the sounds of Mantra, previously believed to be whale noises, could in fact be viewed as a distorted choking noises. Random pluckings of strings at the beginning of track #5: Schism were now revealed to be the finishing chords for track #7: Parabola. Clues to this alternate order are given in lyrics throughout the album, such as "Spiral outm keep going" or "I know the pieces fit".


So for all who are interested, though this may not work correctly without the correct editing software according to the poster that discovered this, the alternate track order is as follows: 6,7,5,8,4,9,13,1,12,2,11,3,10..


:rolleyes: Again, I'm not too sure about all this stuff but I just thought it was interesting. I got this paragraph from some other Tool board.


you wouldn't happen to have a link to that board would you? i mixed the album like that last night, and it worked amazingly well. plus, i'd like to know how that person came up with that song order. from first glance, it seems to contradict the fibbonaci sequence. things like that just kind of interest me. not math, but the whole alternate track listing. no offense to math or people who love it.

[bass_raptor]

I love tool video clips, the claymation and complete mind f*** does it for me. Like most video clips you see these days are quite abstract, but tool are esp so, they are the ones which make you go WOAH, and really get you thinking.

if u play guitar bass or drums ... tooltabs.net

as far as i am concerned these tabs are RIGHT
the guys that run the site are nutbars about getting them 100% perfect

Also Cog tabs :)
(awesome aussie band)

[bass_raptor]

^^^^^^^^ cheers for that album order, i've heard about it and been looking for it for a while.

I think the idea is ingeneous

[xtreme450]

here's a new topic for you, i think.

the album Lateralus, can be broken up into elements on the periodic charts. i was surfing around and found this;

La-Te-ra-lu-s

la = lanthanum
te = tellurium
ra = radium
lu = lutetium
s = sulfur

your thoughts?

[Paranoidd]

Maynard is a closet chemist?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

if u play guitar bass or drums ... tooltabs.net

as far as i am concerned these tabs are RIGHT
the guys that run the site are nutbars about getting them 100% perfect

They are correct as in the way that Adam plays them live, but there are better tabs to make it easier to play. still, its a great resource.

As for the periodic theory, I remebr reading that from somewhere, can you tell me where yo heard it? because it intruiges me at the time, but I never read in depth (though I think its just coincidence)

[Dancin' Man]

What do you get if you mix those elements?

[Paranoidd]

Jello.

[Dancin' Man]

Are you serious?

Because it's Tool, I can't be certain.

[Paranoidd]

:lol:

[xtreme450]

i've been watching a thread on toolshed.down.net and there has been some very interesting discussion on the subject.

http://toolshed.down.net/opinion/forum/showthread.php?t=2417&page=1&pp=40

[Adam Jones is GOD]

That thread had finally convinced me to sign up for that forum, as it seems to have a lot of good thinking people on there, that topic alone was very intelligent.

Although im still in the belif that this one may have just beena big coincidence

[xtreme450]

it may have been a coincidince, seeing as how tool likes to mess with their fans, but you never know. these guys are deep, and its still a good way to use your head and think.

[o_zo]

The band is Tweaker. It's the guy who was the live guitarist for NiN for a while.
Chris Vrenna is Tweaker,he was NIN's drummer.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I put a few minutes aside to watch APC's new video and hear the song for the first time, and its what i was expecting, which is a bad thing. has anyone else seen it yet? I feel it needs to be discussed, as its one of the first times that Maynard has been imvolved in something that is totaly non subliminal in its message and focused on the issue rather than the music, which is a big let down for me. But Im sure MJK would be the first to say that what he is does not change just because of what we want him to be and stay as.

[Dancin' Man]

Gah! That Tool conversation is nuts. Has anyone thought that maybe Ions from Aenima is a segway into Lateralus?

[Dancin' Man]

I put a few minutes aside to watch APC's new video and hear the song for the first time, and its what i was expecting, which is a bad thing. has anyone else seen it yet? I feel it needs to be discussed, as its one of the first times that Maynard has been imvolved in something that is totaly non subliminal in its message and focused on the issue rather than the music, which is a big let down for me. But Im sure MJK would be the first to say that what he is does not change just because of what we want him to be and stay as.

I have not, where can I find it? It's for the song Blue, correct?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I have not, where can I find it? It's for the song Blue, correct?

No, im talking about the political album one, the remix of Pet. Its on their offical site now, there's about 100 links for it it seems.

the Blue one may be interesting, as its a fan made one, but imnot sure when thats out.

[jprepo1]

right, tool is the band who got me into heavy metal, and so ive put assloads of thught into the meanings of their songs, for eulogy, i alwys thought it had to do with their strong dislike of scientologists and other cult-like orginizations, commenting on the bs they dispense. For stinkfist, i always saw it as opening yourself up to new thought and new ways of thinking about things. My personal favorite song, both because of meaning and jstthe way it sounds, is The Patient from the Lateralus album, although Third Eye, the Salival version, more so than the one from Ænima, is one of my fav's too

[deadohiosky9]

That Tool thread at Toolshed is awesome. I've registered there now. I haven't seen that new APC video , and I'm gonna watch after I post this. And I do think Ions is a segueway into Lateralus, considering Tool probably already had ideas for Lateralus back during Aenima. Or took ideas they had during Aenima and extended it into Lateralus. It's all pieces of a puzzle, but I think Tool is really doing a good job of making us think. Even if we don't find the answers, its the questions that made us think this much. And that thread really shows it.

[deadohiosky9]

I put a few minutes aside to watch APC's new video and hear the song for the first time, and its what i was expecting, which is a bad thing. has anyone else seen it yet? I feel it needs to be discussed, as its one of the first times that Maynard has been imvolved in something that is totaly non subliminal in its message and focused on the issue rather than the music, which is a big let down for me. But Im sure MJK would be the first to say that what he is does not change just because of what we want him to be and stay as.

I just watched the new APC video. I wouldn't say I was disappointed, I found it ot be very entertaining. AS Maynard had said it would be. IT was meant for entertainment. Not something serious, like a Tool video. This is one of the first times Maynard has focused on one issue rather than subliminal, but its good nonetheless. I didn't expect to take the video very seriously, as Maynard had said, it was meant for entertainment. So it wasn't much of a disappointment for me. I liked how BUsh appeared in it many times haha. But I would like to hear otehr views on this video. For it is a rather interesting video.

[Dancin' Man]

www.thirdkindband.com

Check these guys out. Closest Tool band that's good I've seen. Kind of a ripoff band though.

[theelburritos]

yes, this is the same guy that wrote rambled on about tool and the whole thought thing, i made alot of you angry. I'd like to aplogize to anyone who might have been offened by my post. I was just really really angry when i posted and it kind of spilled over. My girlfriend got all angry at me and she was talking about how i need to read between the lines. it was coincdence that i came on and people are talking about hidden meaning and what not. I took your insults in stride and argree with those of you who pointed out my contradictions. i was in no way at all implying that i was superior to any of you. my statement about some of these hard core tool fans that need to come out of there basments, i was just drawing the suggestion that you've spent alot of time thinking of these tools songs, which i have done with little success. i would like to retract those statements as i was really mad at the time. If any of you are reading this and don't know what im talking about don't bother looking up my earlier post cause its not worth reading. I don't know if you'll think this apology is worth it or just wimpy. i'd like to post my thoughts on a song though. Intermission-aenima. i know that there isn't much to it but i think that it relfects violence. i know that the bush administration was not in power when this album was released but i personnally think of this song as a break from the violence and hate that the media magnifies and just enjoy life and/or think about the hate and violence that the media magnifies. Even though i am canadian, i had a uncle die sevring in iraq. I didn't know him at all and didn't even attend his funeral as it was a military style affair in washington so im not going emotional on you cause it didn't have an affect on me. anyway, tool rules bye

[Windwalker]

Ok. I was told to not Bump an old thread at the "bands similar to TOOL" thread.

So I suppose I`ll post it here then, completly out of context... ;

Talking about TOOL inspired bands - I found this new Norwegian band, and they sound pretty good.
Their homepage is
www.thirdkindband.com

i think...



2 promosongs on their music page.

c ya, and thanks for your tips. found some kool new bands.

[malignant5150]

i just read another interestingpage about lateralus and i thought id share it with you since it was pretty interesting so here it is


http://www.bofe.org/overthinking.htm

[deadohiosky9]

yes, this is the same guy that wrote rambled on about tool and the whole thought thing, i made alot of you angry. I'd like to aplogize to anyone who might have been offened by my post. I was just really really angry when i posted and it kind of spilled over. My girlfriend got all angry at me and she was talking about how i need to read between the lines. it was coincdence that i came on and people are talking about hidden meaning and what not. I took your insults in stride and argree with those of you who pointed out my contradictions. i was in no way at all implying that i was superior to any of you. my statement about some of these hard core tool fans that need to come out of there basments, i was just drawing the suggestion that you've spent alot of time thinking of these tools songs, which i have done with little success. i would like to retract those statements as i was really mad at the time. If any of you are reading this and don't know what im talking about don't bother looking up my earlier post cause its not worth reading. I don't know if you'll think this apology is worth it or just wimpy. i'd like to post my thoughts on a song though. Intermission-aenima. i know that there isn't much to it but i think that it relfects violence. i know that the bush administration was not in power when this album was released but i personnally think of this song as a break from the violence and hate that the media magnifies and just enjoy life and/or think about the hate and violence that the media magnifies. Even though i am canadian, i had a uncle die sevring in iraq. I didn't know him at all and didn't even attend his funeral as it was a military style affair in washington so im not going emotional on you cause it didn't have an affect on me. anyway, tool rules bye

I understand. Apology accepted. :chug:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

i'd like to post my thoughts on a song though. Intermission-aenima. i know that there isn't much to it but i think that it relfects violence. i know that the bush administration was not in power when this album was released but i personnally think of this song as a break from the violence and hate that the media magnifies and just enjoy life and/or think about the hate and violence that the media magnifies.

First of all, nice to see that we're all happy on here again, apology accepted.

Now for your interpretation, which makes sense to me, especially as it has the riff from Jimmy, which makes the link into it even more effective. This shows how a piece of music that was warm and inviting can change into a darker version of itself, and how you said, its break from the anger and violent nature of Hooker with a *****, which is a song with a lot of agressive overtones, and the ending lyrics of Maynard advertising, something that is seen as the root of a lot of evil.
The equivilanet to modern life is evident if you view it like that, as how people who one minute may seem like a non violent, caring individual, can suddenly turn into a murderous lunatic (to give an extreme example). This does sum up the Bush situation, even though (unles dannys managed to put his faiths to work on time travel) it wasn't wrote with it in mind.

Then again, at the end of the day it could just be someone who wanted to put a track on the album after hearing Jimmy and writing out their own version. But its still great looking deeper into songs even if there was no meaning intended

[Windwalker]

www.thirdkindband.com

Check these guys out. Closest Tool band that's good I've seen. Kind of a ripoff band though.

Obviously inspired by TOOL, but I dont agree in the "ripoff" statement.
I can hear just as much Kyuss, Type`O and Katatonia in their songs.

At least no more ripoff than APC is from TOOL . :D

[Dancin' Man]

APC is not a Tool ripoff. Completely different.

[Windwalker]

Exactly.

[Dancin' Man]

Third Kind sounds almost exactly like Tool though. Yelling/singing vocals, simple but powerful guitar. Cool bass lines with an effect on them. Excellent drummer. They sound like Tool. Probably did a lot of Tool covers early on.

[STAYGOLDXXX]

anyone heard that gay band earshot whos singer trys to sing like maynard ?

[Paranoidd]

Third Kind sounds almost exactly like Tool though. Yelling/singing vocals, simple but powerful guitar. Cool bass lines with an effect on them. Excellent drummer. They sound like Tool. Probably did a lot of Tool covers early on.

Heh, took the words out of my mouth.

It's unfortunate when bad production ruins a song...would it have killed them to put a compressor on those vocals? Jeez...

[deadohiosky9]

anyone heard that gay band earshot whos singer trys to sing like maynard ?

Ya. I don't like em.

[clearvision]

Hey guys, to get this thread back on track....anyone got any theories to the meaning of crimes?

[bebubly]

sorry to slightly push it off track but (hate to link tool and apc but i'm figuring there will be fans of apc in here) i started a thread about the new apc record recently announced by MJK and was wondering if anyone has any opinions/comments...if so please don't muck up this beautiful thread...post in mine...i think i called it new apc info or something along those lines...

:thumb:

[Dancin' Man]

It's supposed to be a political album. It will suck to high heaven. I'm thinking remixes (have you heard the Pet remix?) which will be relatively cool, but nothing compared to originals.

[bebubly]

how come you think it will be so bad??

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Im looking forward to the version of 'Imagine', sounds interesting. It is gonna be 50% remixes, and the rest seems to be covers, and possibly one or two new-uns, but still, im not thinking its gonna have much in the way of the last two allbums, as they were wrote with music as the purpose, this albums purpose is to propose a message. (which seems contradicatary from MJK usual 'think for yourself' message IMO)

[xtreme450]

i was surfing around, again, and found this on the whole Lateralus and fibbonaci sequence theory again.


Some time after Lateralus was released a minor flurry of interpretive activity arose around the album. In particular, Carey told an interviewer about Keenan's remark that the time signatures of the main riff in "Lateralus" (9-8-7) also represented a step in the Fibonacci sequence (the sixteenth step, as it turns out). This led some Tool fans to suggest that the tracks on Lateralus can be listened to in spiral-like orders: 6,7,5,8,4,9,3,10,2,11,1,12,13 ("The Lateralus Prophecy") or 6,7,5,8,4,9,13,1,12,2,11,3,10 ("The Holy Gift"). Both arrangements produce different story-lines for the album.

[an_underused_memory]

If no one had noticed, THirteenth Step is a thematic album, every song on the album is about the process of addiction.
Its not necessarily about drugs, but have another listen to the lyrics thinking about the whole theme of addiction: stopping at nothing to get the package; feeling weak and powerless; the self-righteousness of those on the outside; the glories of a rehab centre and the nurse who loved me...
etctec
so this next project will not comprise APC writing purely for the music, since they weren't doing that on the last record anyway.
All my opinion only, but think there's evidence to give this the benefit of the doubt!

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Ill be still buying the new album, but although there is always a theme to APC's music, this album from an instrumental point of view sounds a dissapointment. I have never been a big fan of remixes, I prefer music performed in its natural setting. From Maynards view, what few original lyrics there are (cant change much with remixes or covers) seem like they willfocus on the political issue, which is a subject I dont usualkly like to be in music, unless its in its subliminal form like in some Tool/APC songs in the past. (The Grudge, original version of Pet, etc)

[deadohiosky9]

Im looking forward to the version of 'Imagine', sounds interesting. It is gonna be 50% remixes, and the rest seems to be covers, and possibly one or two new-uns, but still, im not thinking its gonna have much in the way of the last two allbums, as they were wrote with music as the purpose, this albums purpose is to propose a message. (which seems contradicatary from MJK usual 'think for yourself' message IMO)

Well I think you're right, that it does contradict MJK's Think For yourself message. But when I was on APC's site, under the news section, Maynard talked about the new Pet remix video. And he put the link fo rit at the end of the post. He typed in caps: THINK FOR YOURSELF. QUESTION AUTHORITY. question authortiy was the link to the pet video. so maybe Maynard is playing a little game with out minds, and might be saying that just cuase we say something doesn't mean its right. Think for yourself and question authority. To me it seems like Maynard's invitation for us to question him. And his views which might or might not be expressed on this new APC album. I dunno, I could be wrong. But thats how I see it.

[Dancin' Man]

I think that this new APC album will not be at the top of my list of albums to buy. I need to get some Opeth and In Flames first and Frances the Mute. Then I'll get it.

[an_underused_memory]

I still don't see how Maynard or APC at large expressing their opinions could compromise his 'think for yourself' message. They're allowed to think for themselves and express their opinions as well!

[deadohiosky9]

I still don't see how Maynard or APC at large expressing their opinions could compromise his 'think for yourself' message. They're allowed to think for themselves and express their opinions as well!

Very good point. I agree totally. :thumb:

[an_underused_memory]

Until last nite i hadn't actually gone and read the message for myself, so now that I have I understand a lil better : In my opinion, APC are expressing their veiwpoint (IE get rid of bush!) but not enforcing it, instead they're asking their audience to exercise their own judgement, get off their *** and vote.
It seems that the main idea is to get people to think for themselves by taking an interest, and question authority by making an informed decision.
Here in AUS we dont have that issue since its compulsory to vote, so i don't fully understand how it works for all you US citizens! :)

[Godmic]

Have any of you heard the remix of The Outsiders Remix on the new Resident Evil Apocalypse CD? It's f***ing awesome. I have to say that it is one of the best remixes of a song that I've ever heard. The rest of the CD is pretty good with a lineup of Killswitch Engage, Lacuna Coil, Rammstein, Cradle of Filth, Slipknot, etc.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Until last nite i hadn't actually gone and read the message for myself, so now that I have I understand a lil better : In my opinion, APC are expressing their veiwpoint (IE get rid of bush!) but not enforcing it, instead they're asking their audience to exercise their own judgement, get off their *** and vote.
It seems that the main idea is to get people to think for themselves by taking an interest, and question authority by making an informed decision.
Here in AUS we dont have that issue since its compulsory to vote, so i don't fully understand how it works for all you US citizens! :)

Im a UK resident, so our system is similar to the US, but I must admit I dont fully understand the full working and potential outcomes from their system. I still keep my idea of implied ideals, but I can understand that this could be seen as simply another form of free expression. (I knew I would have an opinion that wasn't agreed with eventually :upset: )


as for the Outsider remix, I haven't heard it yet, but if its anything like the Weak and Powerless remix, im looking forward to it. However, if its like the Pet/judith remix, then........

Was it Danny Lohner who remixed this one again?

[Godmic]

It's a resident Renholder Mix. I like it. I think it's pretty **** cool, but it is definitely a different sounding song.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Yeah, a remix to be good needs to change the song somehow to take it on to a different form, as long as that form itself is good.

OT: I heard there's a new deftones song on that album, is it any good?

[Dancin' Man]

In the end though, no-one can beat Trent Reznor for remixes.

[Paranoidd]

Trent is cool, but there is better.

[Dancin' Man]

DJ Dangermouse?

[Paranoidd]

Never heard him...er...it.

[Godmic]

Yeah, a remix to be good needs to change the song somehow to take it on to a different form, as long as that form itself is good.

OT: I heard there's a new deftones song on that album, is it any good?

I's called The Chauffeur.

I think's it pretty cool sounding. Not the best I've heard, but it's good. I like the rytthem.

[ToolOwnsYou]

"The Chauffer" is a Duran Duran cover, and it is in no means, new. its been out for some time now. .. this isnt a deftones thread so this must end here! :)

[Adam Jones is GOD]

"The Chauffer" is a Duran Duran cover, and it is in no means, new. its been out for some time now. .. this isnt a deftones thread so this must end here! :)

New as in unreleased, its not been on any CD (so you must have downloaded it :mad: )

But welcome back to 'your' thread, we have gone a little off topic now and then, but we seem to be on the APC discussion at the moment, but if you have any more views on lyrics, it would be great to read them.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Just reposting this in here...Fast Fingers mentioned that you guys were discussing the title of Lateralus being somehow related to chemical elements in here or something? So here's a link I found on it. If you've seen it before, then apologies and all that...

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234290


*backs out of thread*

You sure thats a correct link? It was just a n00b from tc thread.

Unless you're being ironic in some way, I doubt it though, you're an intelligent poster.

[twiggster]

you wouldn't happen to have a link to that board would you? i mixed the album like that last night, and it worked amazingly well. plus, i'd like to know how that person came up with that song order. from first glance, it seems to contradict the fibbonaci sequence. things like that just kind of interest me. not math, but the whole alternate track listing. no offense to math or people who love it.


Oh man, I don't even remember what site it was at. I'm sorry. I saw this a long time ago and just copy/pasted that into a word document so I wouldn't lose it. Sorry. :(

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Not seen that one yet, thanks, ill read it after the match

[Adam Jones is GOD]

WellPet is IMO the best track off 13th Step, and its a definite taster of what APC usually sound like. THere are those hard edged songs, and there are the more melodic mood music. If what blew you away was the guitar, that is what you should expect from the rest of their songs.
The transition to Tool is a case of longer, darker, and more progressive (though that term is argued).
So if you liked Pet, there's plenty more material out there by both bands that fit that need.

Songs that sound like it include

A Perfect Circle - Judith, The Hollow, The Outsider, The Package

Tool - Aenima, Pu****, Eulogy, The Grudge, Ticks and Leeches

Those songs are IMO in the same category as Pet

(and kudos for not downloading :thumb: )

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Is pizza better than ice cream?

Same question could go to 13th step and mer de noms.
13th step seems to be more universally friendly and has better stad out tracks, but mer de noms is a more solid album overall. So its based on your normal album preference, whether you want something you can listen to all the way through, or one wheere you want to hear the best songs and skip the odd filer track

[joebass]

I like 13th step much better than mer de noms.

[IvortheEngineDriver]

I like 13th step much better than mer de noms.
At first, I didn't agree...but the more I listen to Thirteenth Step, I agree. Don't get me wrong, Mer De Noms is a AMAZING album, but the songs off of Thirteenth Step are great (I love Gravity). If you compared them, which I don't think you should, 13th would edge MdN.

Back on Tool...I really like Undertow, I think its kinda forgotten (besides Sober) in a lot of Tool fans heads, due to the obsession with Aenima and Lateralus. But it's now my 2nd favorite Tool album (just passed Aenima). Why do you think this is?

As for bassists who read this (Joz, especially), do you think Paul D'Amour would have fit into what Tool is doing now and do you think that he is as good as Justin? Personally, Justin does more, but if you look at Opiate and Undertow, Adam isn't playing anything very complicated, so in a sense, the band might not have grown enough to showcase Paul.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Im no bassist, but I think I can comment somehow

Pre aenima, AJ had not really encorporated effects into Tools music (there were the odd parts). When Justin joined, he brought along his methods of playing with effects (something that he had been toying with in Peach), which brought Tool's music into the new direction, with both string players using effects, especially evident on Third eye. When you look at the songs that Paul co-wrote (Pu**** comes to mind), there isn't as many effects by a long way.

So if Paul had stayed, IMO, Tool's music would be a lot different today. But thats just my idea, maybe the change would have happened whether he had left or not

[Kingofdudes]

Hey Adam Jones, send some tool around in the mx gmail chain.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Ok, video/mp3/pics, you name it....ill send it direct to yours though, I think every one else will have already got Tool stuff. You addy the same as your username?

EDit: Sod it, ill chain some like you said, sending a 'comical' live video

[Kingofdudes]

nope constipatedhack@gmail.com

alright

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Just realised, is there an easier way to chain send something? All i do is put all contacts into the to: box. That'll work, I hope

[Kingofdudes]

yeah just copy and paste everything, thats what I do

[Adam Jones is GOD]

****, the video's too big, ok, ill just send some live stuff

[Kingofdudes]

sweet, listening to flood now. I really need some money, so I can pick up lateralus and aenima.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Floods off Undertow, i might send a live Aenima version tommorrow.

Gmail, what a great idea

[Kingofdudes]

I already got 190 MB in mine, im gonna need another gmail :lol:

[deadohiosky9]

I already got 190 MB in mine, im gonna need another gmail :lol:

gmail is available??????

[an_underused_memory]

Ummm...gmail?
please explain!
I have no idea what you're all talking about, and I didn't think i was that behind!

[an_underused_memory]

Apologies for the consecutive posts, but:

Does anyone know of a site that has all the APC lyrics together, a la the lyrics @ TOOLshed?
I'd like to do a bit of analysis of 13th step as an album, but so far haven't been able to get hold of all the songs together. I don't mind if they're unofficial, I'll make corrections if its different to what I hear.

So i'm lazy, i know I could just write them all out myself...but I'm so sure an even more obsessed fan has done so already.

Interested to read the comments earlier that adam_jones_is_GOD thought Mer de Noms is a more complete album.
I completely disagree! I hear 13th step as an entire concept, with all the songs being about the stages and facets of addiction, and this to me makes it more of an 'album' as opposed to a collection of songs.
I sometimes cherish my first taste of a band, especially those who, like tool or APC feel like a revelation the first time. So when I heard 13th step at the record store i actually thought it was boring....then interesting....then eventually I was in the right mood months later and i bought it. twas great!

It wasn't til after a particularly potent pill earlier this year that i heard it in a new perspective and loved it. I think listening to it on the comedown of a pyschedlic experience, when the third eye was "well n truly squigeed clean" opened me to the full force of maynards themes. To this day i can feel the emotion in my chest when those songs kick in....

[Adam Jones is GOD]

What I meant saying that Mer de noms was a more complete album was that it flows from one song to the net in a clearer way than 13th step. 13th step is more varied with its tempos, volumes and moods, but it felt like to me at least, that each song was individual to itself, a lot like Aenima was, butnI agree that the running themes are more evident.

As for gmail, a lot of people are gving out gmail addresses on here, which allows you to send large files of mp3, video or pictures via email. There is a mx mailing list which you can sign up for, look for the thread in the pit.

[deadohiosky9]

Does anyone here have the Parabola video? I can't find it anywhere! Anyone know where I could find it to download?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

http://www.musictelevisionsucks.net/search.php

Search for Tool, and the video should be there (If you're on dial up, not really worth it though)

Plus there are a lot of great live videos there

[Samm]

When you look at the songs that Paul co-wrote (Pu**** comes to mind), there isn't as many effects by a long way.

So if Paul had stayed, IMO, Tool's music would be a lot different today. But thats just my idea, maybe the change would have happened whether he had left or not

Man, I didn't know Paul co-wrote Pu****... it's really a surprse to me because I see Pu**** and Third Eye to be two tracks on Aenima which indicated the progressive direction Lateralus would later take.

Well...

Anyway... on Salival the song You lied is awesome, and I was wondering did Tool originally write it? If they didn't who did and how much did Tool change it much? and if they did right it, I reckon they should have saved it for another album...

[Adam Jones is GOD]

They didnt write it, it was a cover of Peach's original version (Justins old band).

The only way they changed it was to slow it down, and Adam added a few extra lead parts. Maynard also gives the vocals a different melody, and his voice of course improves it. But the original version is still amazing.

paul was involved in writing a few songs off Aenima, before he left, but im not sure if he ever recoreded anything for it

[Samm]

Well having heard Tool cover of Peach's You Lied, I'm definetly have to check them out.

Another Salival question Midget Sun.... I download it off Kazaa (which is well known for having some ****ed up versions of particular songs) :lol: It's has a piano and the vocals are really funny, to tell the truth I love it... I love the way the drums speed up near the end and double bass i used. Is this the actual Salival version? and who originally wrote it?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Midget sun? Not heard of that one off salival before. You sure its a tool song? Kazaa is renouned for having songs labelled by a band that have nothing to do with them.

(But I'm intriuged by your description, sounds intersesting)

As for Peach, dfinitely check them out, it shows Justin's playing in his early days, plus he sings on one song (Dougal)

[Samm]

:lol bloody kazaa... i wasn't sure if it was Tool but the drumming did kinda remind me of Carey and they way the song was played in a joke manner i thought it could be them... oh well... this isn't the first time this has happened to me with a Tool song... I download some song years ago... it was called Kill Yourself, and **** it's a pretty good song and the vocalist did kinda sound like Maynard especially the way he shouted... but I doubt it was Tool...

[deadohiosky9]

http://www.musictelevisionsucks.net/search.php

Search for Tool, and the video should be there (If you're on dial up, not really worth it though)

Plus there are a lot of great live videos there

I got the Parabola video! Thanks! :D

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Glad to help. I was hoping that this DVD will one day be released and have the 2 newer videos on, along with the live stuff. But of course, still no **** word on it

[something erotic]

i need help decidin which album to get

AEnema or lateralus

suggestions?
help?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Flip a coin

Or on a serious note, Aenima if you haven't heard Tool before

Lateralus if you want the deeper experience

[something erotic]

k cool

thanks ill get lateralus cuz ive heard a lot of undertow, etc.

[ToolOwnsYou]

Hey all... im back.. been super busy with some life issues. I'm glad to see this thread has taken off so successful. I see it has became more of a general discussion rather then my whole theory plan or anything too technical like I was looking for. But thats fine.. its still cool. glad to see all the activity.

AS for the question on wich CD to buy, id recommend AEnima. just for the simple fact that the cd is alittle more easier to swallow for the general public. Alot of people enjoy lateralus more, but its takes alittle more to understand the in's & out of the cd. AEnima is a solid rock album. many great tracks, great lyrics, and its a mix between hard rock and softer rock. as for lateralus, its more of a cd you'd study, and think of millions of ways to interpet, same for AEnima, but I feel LATERALUS is somewhat deeper in that sense.. It all depends in what style of music you like. I enjoy all the cds, and Id say AEnima is great for "beginers"

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Hey all... im back.. been super busy with some life issues. I'm glad to see this thread has taken off so successful. I see it has became more of a general discussion rather then my whole theory plan or anything too technical like I was looking for. But thats fine.. its still cool. glad to see all the activity.


WELCOME BACK!

I've been keeping 'your' thread active, but you are right, there hasn't been that much about lyrics/deeper meanings, though we have had some interesting APC talks, and one user who had a negative first post against Tool, but now posts positively

Awaiting some more of your opinions, i've dried iup on mine, been concentrating on learning/modifiying the guitar parts instead

[something erotic]

im no beginner with tool though

whatever ill get em both

[ToolOwnsYou]

WELCOME BACK!

I've been keeping 'your' thread active, but you are right, there hasn't been that much about lyrics/deeper meanings, though we have had some interesting APC talks, and one user who had a negative first post against Tool, but now posts positively

Awaiting some more of your opinions, i've dried iup on mine, been concentrating on learning/modifiying the guitar parts instead

hehehe... my thread... yea right. its the 'peoples' thread! :thumb: I just got things up and running. If anyone was to ask me who thread it was i'd have to give you the credit. You've done an awesome job keeping things in shape, and moving further. I havent read all 26pages, but many of them. and Id say it looks great.

I have been working on a few more of my deeper meaning of some tracks, I think Im going to express my opinion of some tracks from undertow. Undertow has seem to almost been forgotten, and I feel its my duty to help this awesome album out. Once again you guys rock! keep up the good work.

:evil:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

If anyone was to ask me who thread it was i'd have to give you the credit. You've done an awesome job keeping things in shape, and moving further. I havent read all 26pages, but many of them. and Id say it looks great.


Arrrr shucks :D

Yeah, Undertow has always been overlooked, I make it my job to listen to that more than the rest, and tracks have grown on me (i still think 4 degrees is the most catchiest riff ever)

26 pages? Man, never noticed that, it has done well! Though most of them were probably just helping people convert to Tool.

But still 0 spam, and 0 (unconstructive) flaming, this is probably one of the more friendlier threads on MX

[ToolOwnsYou]

im no beginner with tool though

whatever ill get em both

Well, if you havent purchased AEnima or Lateralus.. id have to say you are still pretty newbie.. thoes were their two most powerful albums yet. Ive owned both of the albums the day they were released. and I still sit on ponder on the lyrics and music structures. By saying "beginner" I meant no harm...


:evil:

[vodkapuddle]

Id consider myself a tool newbie, ive just started listening to them over the past few days. Id totally recommend Aenima to anyone wanting to start listening to the band. But i personally got hooked by undertow, that just me though.

[deadohiosky9]

Arrrr shucks :D

Yeah, Undertow has always been overlooked, I make it my job to listen to that more than the rest, and tracks have grown on me (i still think 4 degrees is the most catchiest riff ever)

26 pages? Man, never noticed that, it has done well! Though most of them were probably just helping people convert to Tool.

But still 0 spam, and 0 (unconstructive) flaming, this is probably one of the more friendlier threads on MX

I myself rarely listen to Undertow. I've been so focused on Aenima and Lateralus. I am now taking a further deeper look into Undertow. Yes dude I totally agree, 4 degrees has the catchiest riff! Undertow has lots of good riffs, so does Opiate. I feel Adam's style changes a bit on aenima and Lateralus. Maybe its just me though. But I'll soon be posting my thoughts on Undertow tracks!

[an_underused_memory]

Here's my first attempt at an APC analysis - giving my rough veiw of the song. I'll try and continue track by track for the next little while!

The Package: this seems to be from the veiw of an addict, meeting their ‘dealer.’ The addict and dealer both know that this is not a friendship, despite keeping up the pretence:

Eye on what I'm after
I don't need another friend
Smile and drop the cliche
'Till you think I'm listening

The addict knows also that this meeting has only one purpose, to exchange the package of whatever the addict is after – I’ll assume drugs, but this could be true of an addiction to anything – alcohol, sex, exercise...the easiest analogy is the drugs though.
I take just what I came for
Then I'm out the door again

peripheral on the package
Don't care to settle in
Time to feed the monster
I don't need another friend

Comfort is a mystery
Crawling out of my own skin
These lines are referring to the beginning stages of withdrawal, the fever that drives the addict to need another ‘hit.’

Lie to get what I came for
Lie to get just what I need
Lie to get what I crave
This shows how far the addict is willing to take their need...to the point of deception.

Lie and smile to get what's mine
Thus aknowledging the delusion that addicts often feel, that the package rightfully belongs to the antagonist...

Give this to me
Mine, mine, mine
Take what's mine
Mine, mine, mine
Take what's mine
Mine, mine, mine
The violence of the delivery of these lines shows what the withdrawal is capable of producing in the addict...violence of words, if not physical too. The way these lines are delivered show also that this explosion is out of character for the antagonist, that the addiction has them tightly coiled and trying to reign in the aspects of character that have taken over in this time of need. The way the song returns to its peaceful, yet still tense state, shows the addict regain a little control over themself. This alternating explosion of anger and regaining control repeats itself again before the song fades.

This is mine, mine, mine, not mine
Its interesting to note that last line: at the last second the antagonist concedes the truth, though presumably only after gaining “the package” for themselves.

[bebubly]

i managed to get myself a live recording of apc at the hammersmith apollo london a few days ago (i went to that very gig...) and so all is happy...

as for tool albums...i guess i got into tool through the more accessible (sp?) apc...but the first tool albums i bought were aenima and opiate...i then got into lateralus and finally undertow...

i think as a first album lateralus may be a bit too deep and the aenima is a pretty good place to start as it is the current "middle" of tool's progression...having said this i do believe that the best of tool so far is lateralus...it's just not so easy to get into straight away...

i also found it took me months to fully appreciate tool so for anyone who doesn't get into it immediately keep at it and try different points of tool's music...

i guess if you are more into heavy music undertow and opiate are the way to go...i think they tend to sound extremely angry and the band sound perhaps as if they are trying to find their way and settle into the band they have become...aenima is really i think the point where tool's music takes a total turn and starts the new era of tool with new meanings and feelings...which are taken to a whole new level in lateralus which is possibly on of the best albums ever written...

but i guess eventually you have to own them all :thumb:

[miserychick]

a perfet cirlce is one of my favorite bands.....everyone percieves the lyrics differently though...their cd the 13th step is really good...i bought it right away when it first came out...i heard a remix of Blue,has anyone else heard it ?? the original mix of the song is better than the remix in my opinion......

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Here's my first attempt at an APC analysis - giving my rough veiw of the song. I'll try and continue track by track for the next little while!


Good analysis, I agree with all that, plus its given me a more insigtful look into the song. One thing that i've noticed with the lyrics and instrumentals, is how well they compliment each other.

For example, the guitar starts off lightly, the sense of calm, comfort. The heavier bass line enters, building up that feeling that there's something building beneath the surface, the acceptance of the user's addiction, but its still in the background to the concealing calm.

Then when Maynard bursts out Give this to me the instruments increase intensit and volume, with the dramatic change, brings the sense of anger, desperation, and unltimately, total dependece. the song no longer feels calm and safe, and it continues in this trend, until the end, where it returns to the calm, and the lyrics This is mine, mine, mine, not mine are sung in a hushed tone, showing that the acceptance has kicked in and that there may be hope for the addict after all.


haven't analysed anything of Tool/APC for a while, so nice to do so again

[Kafkastolemyslippers]

My friend and I were working on a cool theory for the Lateralus album with alternate track order and such and the Book of Enoch I think it was called. And by "my friend and I" I mean just my friend well I sat around. If this idea is new to you I can try to type what I remember of it.

[twiggster]

a perfet cirlce is one of my favorite bands.....everyone percieves the lyrics differently though...their cd the 13th step is really good...i bought it right away when it first came out...i heard a remix of Blue,has anyone else heard it ?? the original mix of the song is better than the remix in my opinion......


Yeah, THIRTEENTH STEP is an awesome album. I also got it that day it came out...actually at a midnight sale Tower Records had that night. Anyway, I've heard the Blue Remix. They actually play it alot on the radio and I also like the orginal better....not that the remix is bad though. BUT I do have to admit that I like the Outsider Remix that came out on the Resident Evil soundtrack just a tad more than the original Outsider...and Counting Bodies Like Sheep, which is suppose to be a Pet Remix I guess, is pretty cool as well.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

All the remixes so far have been done by the NIN community, so they have had some interesting results. Not heard the Blue/Outsider remix yet, but apart from the Judith remix, they all seem ok in their own way, I think the Weak and Powerless on ehtough is my favourite.

Might be looking forward to this 'new' album now

[twiggster]

yeah, the Weak and Powerless was probably my favorite one too..but now I'm leaning a little more towards The Outsider. I think it's Danny Lohner doing the remixes except Blue which was done by James Iha...anyway, they're all pretty good.

[Godmic]

The outsider remix is pretty good. It's a really interesting remix. :thumb:

[an_underused_memory]

I didn't realise that this would be a confession until I read that most ppl's opinions differ from mine....
but i LOVE the Judith remix!
a lot more than weak n powerless...
i think it sounds great in the industrial setting, but i guess all the guitar-heads in here (and elsewhere) are a little cut that the rock elements were lost. I was too, at first, but then i appreciated it in a different way. The w & p remix to me looses a bit because it doesn't have the dynamics of the original..but as a drummer its nice to hear some diferent beats to compliment the original also...it feels like danny lohner was just showing off the 2 approaches he has to remix - like "here's the rock one; here's the electro one"
yet to hear all the other remixes, but i look forward to it!

[an_underused_memory]

Weak and Powerless – this one i feel is from the point of veiw of the addict, addressing the addiction itself.
Tilling my own grave to keep me level
This shows a dual acknowledgement - that the character is on a descent, and that it can end in death, but that this descent keeps him together, at least more than giving up and feeling withdrawal symptoms.
Jam another dragon down the hole
Ok, here i admit i have no idea what a dragon is, and what its doing down a hole! Is it a drug reference, or is it himself as a dragon being jammed down the hole he is digging??
Digging to the rhythm and the echo of a solitary siren
Again, an ambiguous line...what is the solitary siren. Obviously the addict feels alone and solitary but perhaps its the siren in the straight part of his mind, telling us he knows that this is wrong, he’s sending himself warning sirens, but...
One that pushes me along and leaves me so
Desperate and ravenous
The siren pushes him along...perhaps the alarm in his body that tells him its time for another hit? (once again i’m using the metaphor of drug addiction coz its the easiest but just extend the metaphor for any other addiction.)
So weak and powerless over you
(aaahhh, finally a more obvious line!) the ‘you’ is the addiction itself

Someone feed the monkey while I dig in search of china
‘digging all the way to china’ shows just how deep the hole he’s digging can get. But please, whats the **** monkey? Is it himself – as in ‘look after me as i can’t stop myself’ ? Or is the monkey someone/something that he should be looking after but cannot do this due to addiction – i.e. wife, kids, work etc
White as Dracula as I approach the bottom
Dracula who was white due to his constant need for his drug – blood.

Little angel go away, come again some other day
‘Little angel’ is either the good conscience or an outside figure, tempting the antagonist away from their addiction, but, like many addicts, the descent feels so comfortable. (‘comfortably numb’ you might say.)
The Devil has my ear today, I'll never hear a word you say
the devil being the bad conscience/addiction
He promised I would find a little solace and some peace of mind
the solace and peace of mind coming from satisfying the addiction
Whatever just as long as I don't feel so
Desperate and ravenous
Showing that the protagonist is so taken by the disease of addiction that they’re happy just to stop the withdrawals.
So weak and powerless
Over you
I’d welcome any interpretations of those lines i’m struggling with! And all discussion is expected if you disagree with any of this, thats half the fun! Hope you enjoy!

PS I'm not including the complete lyrics in these analyses, but if anyone is interested, i've created my own *.doc file of the 13th step complete lyrics, since i couldn't find them all together on the net. I'm happy to email it to anyone

[Cody N Hooks]

This is a pretty pointless post but I thought I'd at least stop by to acknowledge this discussion. I'm not overly enthusiastic about the band itself, but I love the intellectual genius of Maynard's lyrics. What probably draws me toward Tool so heavily is that I'm a dork. I am a guitarist but above all else, I'm just an antisocial science nerd, particularly in the unknown and newly explored regions of Quantum Physics, Spirituality, and Psychology.

I embrace my desire to
feel the rhythm, to feel connected
enough to step aside and weep like a widow
to feel inspired, to fathom the power,
to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain,
to swing on the spiral
of our divinity and still be a human.

With my feet upon the ground I lose myself
between the sounds and open wide to suck it in,
I feel it move across my skin.
I'm reaching up and reaching out,
I'm reaching for the random or what ever will bewilder me.
And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been.
We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.

Spiral out. Keep going.

It all really speaks for itself so there's no point in trying to be analytical, in this case. Its just so beautiful that I often times find myself getting emotional when I so little as read Maynard's poetry. Many Tool fans don't even know that they're getting a crash course in existentialism while listening.

As for A Perfect Circle, I love them too but its a different breed of song. It speaks more of introspective struggles/realizations than it does of the mental liberation of Tool. Its much more subjective and I tend not to buy it from other bands, but APC does it well so I don't resist.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

. The w & p remix to me looses a bit because it doesn't have the dynamics of the original..but as a drummer its nice to hear some diferent beats to compliment the original also...!

The original song was one that Billy had wrote back in the Mer de noms era, but he could never decide on what beat to use for it, Josh came up with a dozen, and it was Maynard in the end that settled on using the current one. For the remix, im not sure if danny lohner used an original one, or one from Josh's original selection, but it shows that the song can take many different routes from different inputs of music.

As for the Judith remix, I suppose its one that people who really enjoy NIN's more industrial sound can enjoy more. I always prefer songs that are performed on instruments, rather than synthesised or full of samples. But thats just me

[drumgod43]

Tool is great because it appeals to my two main musical loves: songwriting and drumming. Danny Carey is amazing and underrated. The drum solo in 46 and 2 is a great use of odd time, while not intruding on the ostinato guitar and bass pattern and the guitar solo. And Maynard's voice is without parallel. He channels progressive rock of yore while infusing it with the angst of youth.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Track listing for the new APC album

01. "Annihilation" (Crucifix cover)
02. "Imagine" (John Lennon cover)
03. "(What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace And Understanding" (Nick Lowe cover)
04. "Counting Bodies Like Sheep To The Rhythm Of The War Drums"
05. "What's Goin' On" (Marvin Gaye cover)
06. "When The Levee Breaks" (Memphis Minnie cover)
07. "Freedom Of Choice" (Devo cover)
08. "People Are People" (Depeche Mode cover)
09. "Passive"
10. "Gimme Gimme Gimme" (Black Flag cover)
11. "Let's Have A War" (Fear cover)
12. "Fiddle And The Drum" (Joni Mitchell cover)

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Yup, they said it was going to be a cover album. Theres also a full remix one on the way

[deadohiosky9]

I want to get this album. But I would rather APC make another album that they wrote. That would be awesome.

[Theodagoth]

Ok I have a question for all that care to answer. Lately I have seen a lot of Tool fans pop up, now I myself cannot say im an original Tool fan 'cause frankly i was like 4 when they released the Opiate EP, but i have been a fan since '97. Now ever since 2001 the Tool fan base seems to have risen immensley. I see all these Tool fans all over the place, and its absurd these people hear Schism once on the radio and declare themselves dedicated Tool fans. Do you know any of these kinds of people? or if you are this kind of person, I really believe you shouldn't be reading anything in this thread. And another question for those who read this, what is it in your opinion that makes Tool such a great band. So yeah, Tool is cool. Stay in School, otherwise you wont understand the words they use. (Juxtaposed is my favorite usage) yeah i know, dumb saying but hey I don't care what you think, I think for myself.

[Poofy 666]

thinking hurts

[ænima]

yeah i hate those guys you ask what their best song is and there like Schism..so next? ohh that song umm Sober, thats its and then think that their there number one fan and ****! that piss's me off!

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

Who are you to decide who can be a fan of the band? I have listened to Aenima many times and it's one of my fav albums. I consider myself a fan though I haven't heard there other songs.

[bebubly]

Who are you to decide who can be a fan of the band? I have listened to Aenima many times and it's one of my fav albums. I consider myself a fan though I haven't heard there other songs.

i'm agreeing with you on this one...tool are one of my favourite bands...if not my favourite band...but then it isn't up to me or anyone else who enjoys their music...i just think that with a band as deep as tool there are different levels of fans...fans who just enjoy their music, fans who are facinated by it and look into it deeper than those who just look at it on the surface and enjoy that level of it, and then those who...i feel...take it too far...i mean yes maynard is an incredible vocalist/poet/intelligent human being but NO he is not god...

[xtreme450]

...i mean yes maynard is an incredible vocalist/poet/intelligent human being but NO he is not god...

this is true...while maynard may not be God, he is a musical god, such as Jim Morrison, or Jimi Hendrix....

[bebubly]

this is true...while maynard may not be God, he is a musical god, such as Jim Morrison, or Jimi Hendrix....

i guess so...but like i say i am not talking about people who make that comment i am talking about people who literally talk of maynard as "god"...there's just a limit you know??

[xtreme450]

exactly

[Myvisionisclear]

Yah you say about people thinking they are h4x tool fans. I would call my self 'really into them' but have only been listening for 2 months. I have yet to hear salival, undertow and opiate. My favourite tool song is sober, the first song i heard was aenima. I always had some weird feeling about the band like they weren't my thing. But now i listen to them and i really enjoy them. For those people who just hear schism and consider themselves hardcore fans I rekon you should just ignore 'em. They don't effect you and sooner or later they will realise they won't get cool points to like tool and will go back and listen to emo...

clearvision

[deadohiosky9]

Yah you say about people thinking they are h4x tool fans. I would call my self 'really into them' but have only been listening for 2 months. I have yet to hear salival, undertow and opiate. My favourite tool song is sober, the first song i heard was aenima. I always had some weird feeling about the band like they weren't my thing. But now i listen to them and i really enjoy them. For those people who just hear schism and consider themselves hardcore fans I rekon you should just ignore 'em. They don't effect you and sooner or later they will realise they won't get cool points to like tool and will go back and listen to emo...

clearvision

I agree with all of you. There are different levels of Tool fans. And if someone wants to cal themself a Tool fan when they only know two songs. Let them. We know that they aren't, and would get laughed at or would piss off a real Tool fan. Hey I like some emo!

[gRiM999]

stainds cover of sober is too slow

[Adam Jones is GOD]

i guess so...but like i say i am not talking about people who make that comment i am talking about people who literally talk of maynard as "god"...there's just a limit you know??


My name should include the word musician at some point I realise now, as I do agree that calling any member of a group a 'god' is a bit far in that sense, and I certinally dont want people getting the other impression :lol:

As for the idea of qualifying for a Tool fan, I never recall having to take any test to become a 'fan', so its open to anyone to appreciate tool. Like was said, there are varying levels of fans, and I know that there are 'fan boys' (those that take it as their next trend, happening more with APC though now), people who just enjoy aspects of the music, then people like me and most of the posters on here who find some deeper connection. The band never planned on what fans they wanted, like I keep refering to, their goal is to provoke a reaction that leads to something creative, no matter what the reaction, as long as it leads to something positive.

[Retrovertigo]

im listening to hooker with a penis and at around 3:30, in the background, i think i can hear a giant rippling fart. its cd quality, so i can hear a lot, which may be hard to hear through speakers. just thought id point someting useless out to see if anyone else notices it.

[Myvisionisclear]

stainds cover of sober is too slow

I really like it. It's a very simple song if you break it down like staind did. And i think staind or Aaron lewis as i think he is the only one playing... Really got the emotion of the song across. It was nice to hear his take on the song. The original is alot heavier and the emotion is put across in a different way. Your opinon though :)

Heh sorry for the emo thing, but it is the trend at the moment. You say about APC fan boys but without them i wouldnt be posting in this thread now, i got thirteenth step and Mer de noms before i listened to some tool. I think it was just maynards voice that first made me listen to aenima. But now i just love the complexity of the songs and the way that the guiter is often playing off the vocals intead of setting the overall sound of the song (<didn't make sense, sorry) Dannys drumming is also really complex and strange if you listen out for it. I don't know a thing about the basist lol but yeah without these fanboys promoting APC first i owuldn't know about tool. So in a way APC has benefitted by bringing in all levels of tool fans.

This is gonna sound real stupid, but do you ever think maynard will reveal himself in an autobiographical work. It would be real intresting to see what he was going through when writing the songs. I know he'll never say this is what i ment by this, but it would give us an understanding...

[Adam Jones is GOD]

This is gonna sound real stupid, but do you ever think maynard will reveal himself in an autobiographical work. It would be real intresting to see what he was going through when writing the songs. I know he'll never say this is what i ment by this, but it would give us an understanding...

This is one thing that would please so many people, but alienate a lot of others.

Maynard has given us many hints and ideas about whether or not he would ever write a book of any sorts. I remember one interview he was asked if he would ever write a book and he replied with "I've tried, but im just left staring at a blank word document without a clue how to start......so I just go look for porn instead"

The band as a whole has never liked their personal lives put in the spotlight much, although Adam in particular on toolband gives accounts of his holidays, events, etc, as they usually have a lot of interesting relevance to subjects.

But as for maynard, he very rarely gives away details of his private life (though his cookies and wine making are often commented on), and has criticised shows like Cribs.

To prevent further babbling (in a typing mood tonight, odd) it really remains a mystery whether or not a book will ever be on the horizon, and if one is, whether or not it will be a biograpy. It would be a fascinating read.



And the APC fan boy comment, its true that seeing a lot of people into a band (whether they are just trend following) will attract attention, but its rare to see people going from APC to Tool, usually its the other way.

[Retrovertigo]

when is that APC cover cd coming out?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

November 2nd

[malignant5150]

Id consider myself a tool newbie, ive just started listening to them over the past few days. Id totally recommend Aenima to anyone wanting to start listening to the band. But i personally got hooked by undertow, that just me though.
i got undertow because everyone was talking about how great they were so that was the only 1 i could find really so i got it and i couldnt get into it at all! i actually thought tool sucked :lol: but now i think its great i got hooked on lateralus then i got aenima so yeah thats how i got hooked :thumb:

[malignant5150]

My friend and I were working on a cool theory for the Lateralus album with alternate track order and such and the Book of Enoch I think it was called. And by "my friend and I" I mean just my friend well I sat around. If this idea is new to you I can try to type what I remember of it.
yeah ive heard of that theory VERY interesting i think i like that theory most out of the ones ive heard im working on my own...

[formchaos]

and the a perfect circle dvd comes out 2 weeks after the release of the cover cd, incase you didnt know

[clearvision]

I'm back with avengance! I heard Maynard is only staying with APC for 3 albums, is this true?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

APC only have one more album under their contract on Virgin, though im not sure if thats changed now. maynard said that he will stay for as long as he wants to I recall, but im not sure if there's any agreement (to tell the truth, Maynard probably has only 3 APC albums in him, along with Tool, he is growing old :upset:)

And cheers for the trauma returns (Points out mullet man in avatar, *shudders*)

[an_underused_memory]

I really don't have a problem with all those 'fans' who just heard schism and decided they love Tool....because i think the more the good word of Tool is spread the better. Maybe these part time listeners will eventually move into the full albums, or maybe they'll show their friends and the friends will listen to all of it.
Either way I think its better for Tool to have more fans, and I think the band's message is one that could help a lot of people, so I'm all for more listeners, even if some are only casual. Its annoying that they may label themselves as 'fans'...but hey, no skin off my nose!
Its seems from some comments above that hardcore fans are very protective of our favourite band, and its easy to be so. However, as has also been said, Tool don't adjust themselves for their fans. So therefore, the more listeners the better!

[xtreme450]

and I think the band's message is one that could help a lot of people, so I'm all for more listeners, even if some are only casual.
but those casual fans might not even think of there being a message in any of tool's songs. why? because they're just casual listeners who only listen to it for the music. there is nothing wrong with that, i totally condone it, as well as do that with other bands. but like you said, more listeners are great. word of mouth is very powerful.

[deadohiosky9]

And the APC fan boy comment, its true that seeing a lot of people into a band (whether they are just trend following) will attract attention, but its rare to see people going from APC to Tool, usually its the other way.

I got into APC first.My friend told me they had good lyrcs, so I checked them out. Got hooked. Read some interviews with Maynard, and knew I had to check out Tool. I downloaded Sober and Schism. And now here I am.

[Merkaba]

Ok I have a question for all that care to answer. Lately I have seen a lot of Tool fans pop up, now I myself cannot say im an original Tool fan 'cause frankly i was like 4 when they released the Opiate EP, but i have been a fan since '97. Now ever since 2001 the Tool fan base seems to have risen immensley. I see all these Tool fans all over the place, and its absurd these people hear Schism once on the radio and declare themselves dedicated Tool fans. Do you know any of these kinds of people? or if you are this kind of person, I really believe you shouldn't be reading anything in this thread. And another question for those who read this, what is it in your opinion that makes Tool such a great band. So yeah, Tool is cool. Stay in School, otherwise you wont understand the words they use. (Juxtaposed is my favorite usage) yeah i know, dumb saying but hey I don't care what you think, I think for myself.

Frankly i get tired of hearing people make this type of comment. Its all about the ego wanting to lay some type of claim. So what if people hear one song and think they are in love with the band. just because they dont research the band members, or come to all the forums or can tell you danny's shoe size doesnt make them any less or you or I any more. You too were at the same threshold once. maybe some will go on, maybe some will not listen to tool that much. Its selfish to think that someone cant claim to be a tool fan without being able to answer tool trivia or what ever kind of questions you'd have to ask in order to find out if someone is "dedicated" or not. or whether or not they delve into a meaning in the song. What difference does it make?
Plus like Maynard said in an interview, he has come to many sites and read our interpretations of his songs, and said that most of the time we are way off. but it doesnt matter. its what the listener takes away for themselves. no matter what it is, or how you or someone else wants it to be.

[Merkaba]

I agree with all of you. There are different levels of Tool fans. And if someone wants to cal themself a Tool fan when they only know two songs. Let them. We know that they aren't, and would get laughed at or would piss off a real Tool fan. Hey I like some emo!

Emo? Then i guess youre not a "real" tool fan huh? per clearvisions logic.

I personally dont think anyone is a real tool fan if they say stuff like, "blah blah...or youre not a real tool fan" I mean, if you are "real" you obviously know that the guys frown on such banter.

And furthermore, havent anyone of you ever heard Hooker with a *****, i mean he's talking about you and I. numbskulls.

Who is the most OGT ish of all? or if youre only partial OGT, then youre not "real"

jesus

[an_underused_memory]

Wow!!! Jesus, posting in our little thread??! I'm so flattered! ;)
Sorry, couldn't help that one Merkaba.
Extreme450 , I agree that many casual listeners don't understand the meaning of these songs, however as Merkaba said, you must first be a casual listener to become a fully fledged psychotic maniac who knows the danny's shoe size and justin's glove size.
Like me
(although, granted, I don't know the answers to those 2 questions.)
So my theory is that if we get more people listening to tool, however casually, then more people will come to appreciate the music AND the message. Which sounds like fun to me :)

moses

[Spades]

It annoys me when I ask people if they are into Tool and they either say "fvck yeah, Schism is awesome" or "fvck yeah, Stinkfist is awesome."
It has become a trend I think now to be a "Fan" of Tool.

[an_underused_memory]

You know you're a fully fledged maniac when you start calling him "The Danny" without realising it....