Tool

[Adam Jones is GOD]

No, its the same, as the bridge doesnt change the tension, its the screw base underneath that lower/raise. The bridge stays level no matter what.

[Kurrpt]

well heres hoping

[The JoZ]

Can someone update me as to what's going on with the Tool covering? /out of the loop

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Ken is recording drums any day now. Guitar will wait till we get the beat section to play with. And people are sharing their guitar embarassement moments.

[Kurrpt]

i forgot to record my part of me, adam did it, says it sucks, someone else did it, said it sucked.


I was just introduced to LTE so i didnt have much time for anything else. Hopefully ill get 'er done today for ya

[Adam Jones is GOD]

i forgot to record my part of me, adam did it, says it sucks, someone else did it, said it sucked.


I was just introduced to LTE so i didnt have much time for anything else. Hopefully ill get 'er done today for ya

That was one I recorded over a year ago. I put it up as an example of bad tone you can get from both line in and mic

[Kurrpt]

That was one I recorded over a year ago. I put it up as an example of bad tone you can get from both line in and mic


Thankfully my GNX4 never has those problems :-)

[GhOsT335]

more human than human :D--------------------a cat

[Kurrpt]

Wtf!?!?!

[Rothmans]

Wtf!?!?!

Its called spam.

[Kurrpt]

Its called spam.


i call it stupid and pointless, you call it spam, same differenece

[Rothmans]

i call it stupid and pointless, you call it spam, same differenece

I wasnt insulting you I was just saying he was doing pointless annoying spam. Calm down.

[clearvision]

Oh BTW the recordings on my soundclick page were from a comp mic...The aenema one was from my line in...

I have spent the day searching for zoom patches for tool songs...with no avail :(

[Kurrpt]

I wasnt insulting you I was just saying he was doing pointless annoying spam. Calm down.


i think i would first have to get excited in order to 'calm' down, but thanks for the suggestion

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

so did anyone do the guitar part for part of me yet, besides destructo

What part are you doing?

For those of you interested-I tried recording it again. It sounded good, but I used a crappy tone, and yeah, what clearvision said about the pick scrabes..:( I think I might just buy a line in and a 1/4 inch adapter.

About clearvision's YSI'd version of Ænema-Ouch. :(

[Darkness]

Thank you for bumping the thread back to first page... I was trying to think of something to say but couldn't... I can't stand to see this on page 2.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

if you guys want to do 46 & 2 i can have that recorded this afternoon. guitar obviously. any other needed songs let me know, i know nearly every tool song (pathetic i know) but i could most certainly play just about song you may need.

sorry not gonna list em all

Ken said he could do 46 & 2, however, as of now we're still on Stinkfist. After that is going to be Part of Me. Perhaps we could fit 46 & 2 in there after Part of Me, if you guys would like? I don't really want to get so far ahead of our selves, though, so after 46 & 2, no more songs until Stinkfist is through.

[horseman]

what exactly is goin on here...are u guys like recording urselves playing songs and making a tool tribute album sorta thing out of it???

cuz if its good ill buy it

[G_Mac07]

It won't be for sale. JoZ and Ken will record the Bass/Drum segments, and then post it up for the guitarists to have a crack at playing with. After that, the results will (probably) be posted up here for everyone else who's interested to hear. If it works out, it should turn out to be pretty cool though.

[Westy]

this is kinda spam but id like to thank you guys for making me want to start listening to tool. it seems as though they are one of the few bands that puts real meaning in their songs and would never have realized it 'till i rea this thread

i was also inspired by this and now i am totally hooked on them ... i ve got one of their albums but i am hoping to get more.

[Werny]

more human than human

White Zombie = Hardcore.

[Kurrpt]

i almost have the guitar PERFECT for part of me. I would have recorded it yesterday, but i forget to bring home Joz's backing track. I wasnt sure of the length so i thought it would be dumb to just post a guitar with nothing else.

[clearvision]

Ouch Jake? It wasn't that bad...

[Kurrpt]

huh?

[clearvision]

"About clearvision's YSI'd version of Ænema-Ouch."

I didn't think it deserved that, The tone was too trebly and it was just a one take demo...but i don't think it deserved the ouch tag.

[Kurrpt]

"About clearvision's YSI'd version of Ænema-Ouch."

I didn't think it deserved that, The tone was too trebly and it was just a one take demo...but i don't think it deserved the ouch tag.


ouch tag, who tagged it

[G_Mac07]

let's not get worked up over it. If people have any criticism of anyone's uploads, make it constructive, otherwise I can't see this working properly.

[Kurrpt]

yea i agree. What i would say to that is....if you dont submit something that is better, eat a wank and shut the fuk up. If you upload something better, than talk sh*t. That should take care of about 90% of the crap

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I think it was a harmless dig. clearvision accepted that its not his best work, and that it was done a while ago, and I think Jake was just ribbing him a bit.

Remember, we're all friends here. :thumb:

[G_Mac07]

If you upload something better, don't talk ****. Try giving advice to those who don't have the capabilities as you on your respective instrument.

[Kurrpt]

What part are you doing?

For those of you interested-I tried recording it again. It sounded good, but I used a crappy tone, and yeah, what clearvision said about the pick scrabes..:( I think I might just buy a line in and a 1/4 inch adapter.

About clearvision's YSI'd version of Ænema-Ouch. :(



the whole thing

[Kurrpt]

If you upload something better, don't talk ****. Try giving advice to those who don't have the capabilities as you on your respective instrument.


well, what i was getting at was, most people that were talking trash didnt submit anything. If you they didnt submit anything they should talk trash......problem solved

[clearvision]

Meh i'm not bothered if people don't like it, but just saying ouch = not good, tell me what was wrong atleast...that is the biggest problem with the guitar forum/audio arena. People are too quick to condemn you, even if they can do better, the would rather slag you off than give you advice.

[Kurrpt]

Meh i'm not bothered if people don't like it, but just saying ouch = not good, tell me what was wrong atleast...that is the biggest problem with the guitar forum/audio arena. People are too quick to condemn you, even if they can do better, the would rather slag you off than give you advice.


yea, thats people in general. The microcosm that we are currently inhabiting actually reflects the real world.

[Moses]

yea, thats people in general. The microcosm that we are currently inhabiting actually reflects the real world.
Thats very true, yet the Tool thread is an exception. People in general don't act like the people in this thread.

[Kurrpt]

i would deff agree with that ^^^^^^^^^^

unfortunately this smaller microcosm is a smaller part of a larger microcosm which is kurrpt, so you will have that trickle down effect from time to time

[Moses]

i would deff agree with that ^^^^^^^^^^

unfortunately this smaller microcosm is a smaller part of a larger microcosm which is kurrpt, so you will have that trickle down effect from time to time
Hmmm... I could draw hundreds of conclusions from this, but I'm in school and this period is almost over.

[Kurrpt]

Hmmm... I could draw hundreds of conclusions from this, but I'm in school and this period is almost over.

write it down, save it for later :thumb:

[The JoZ]

So what's up with the drum tracks? Has Ken laid anything down yet?

[SonorKen]

I plan to do it tomm.. I am totally covered up with work and getting pulled in 100 different directions. The 2 band thing is killin me as I have full practice schedules with both of them. I have my mics spread out all over hell and creation as well! I will do my best to work on it tomm. BUT my schedule tomm is. Get off work at 7 am, home at 8. Have a meeting with a web developer for Crutch's web page and an internet business I am involved with at 10. Lunch at 1 with a potential drumming studio job. Crutch practices tomm from 3pm to 10 pm, then I have to do laundry and get ready to wake up at 5 to go to work at 7am and work a 24 hour shift. I hope to be able to work on the tracks tomm. morning before I leave for the meeting.

[Kurrpt]

I plan to do it tomm.. I am totally covered up with work and getting pulled in 100 different directions. The 2 band thing is killin me as I have full practice schedules with both of them. I have my mics spread out all over hell and creation as well! I will do my best to work on it tomm. BUT my schedule tomm is. Get off work at 7 am, home at 8. Have a meeting with a web developer for Crutch's web page and an internet business I am involved with at 10. Lunch at 1 with a potential drumming studio job. Crutch practices tomm from 3pm to 10 pm, then I have to do laundry and get ready to wake up at 5 to go to work at 7am and work a 24 hour shift. I hope to be able to work on the tracks tomm. morning before I leave for the meeting.


sounds like an elaborate excuse hahahhahaha












just kidding.....

[Kurrpt]

So what's up with the drum tracks? Has Ken laid anything down yet?


sorry Joz, i keep forgetting to bring my mini USB cable to work so i can take ur backing track home to record over. I was working with the original song, but didnt feel like posting any naked guitar with no backing track. The kewl thing about my GNX4 is i can record clean, then add effects afterwards. So i could record clean, submit the tone i use, whatever, then if you're like "dude you gotta do something about those mids man" i dont need to re-record...bada bing bada boom

[The JoZ]

I plan to do it tomm.. I am totally covered up with work and getting pulled in 100 different directions. The 2 band thing is killin me as I have full practice schedules with both of them. I have my mics spread out all over hell and creation as well! I will do my best to work on it tomm. BUT my schedule tomm is. Get off work at 7 am, home at 8. Have a meeting with a web developer for Crutch's web page and an internet business I am involved with at 10. Lunch at 1 with a potential drumming studio job. Crutch practices tomm from 3pm to 10 pm, then I have to do laundry and get ready to wake up at 5 to go to work at 7am and work a 24 hour shift. I hope to be able to work on the tracks tomm. morning before I leave for the meeting.

Holy crap that's a busy day.

You have a 7 hour practice? :amaze:

[SonorKen]

Yea, we practice ALOT when we get together. We are actually scheduling some 12 to 16 hour practices to work on material. If it were up to us we would lock ourselves away for 6 months and not surface until the CD was complete.

[Shadius]

Yea, we practice ALOT when we get together. We are actually scheduling some 12 to 16 hour practices to work on material. If it were up to us we would lock ourselves away for 6 months and not surface until the CD was complete.

Thats dedication, kids.

I'm lucky if my band practices 3 hours in a row before a gig. Haha.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I personally would jam 24 hours a day if I had the choice. However, working on putting an album together is a lot more grueling than jamming.

[Huber]

Yea, we practice ALOT when we get together. We are actually scheduling some 12 to 16 hour practices to work on material. If it were up to us we would lock ourselves away for 6 months and not surface until the CD was complete.

That would be so fun.

[Kurrpt]

i kinda wish my band mates werent pussies....

[Huber]

I wish mine weren't flakes.

[Kurrpt]

I wish mine weren't flakes.


i wanted to play some TOoL covers, prolly like 2. I learned about 10 songs a while ago, asked them to get tab to learn it. It took the bassist 2 months before he got SOME of it down, and the drummer is a lazy bitch that comes up with excuses to not learn any tab.....so im sure thats a bit worse

[siva_chair]

I wish I had a band...

[Huber]

i wanted to play some TOoL covers, prolly like 2. I learned about 10 songs a while ago, asked them to get tab to learn it. It took the bassist 2 months before he got SOME of it down, and the drummer is a lazy bitch that comes up with excuses to not learn any tab.....so im sure thats a bit worse

I give people my number all the time, and then they call back and schedule something, and then no one comes. It's super lame. Like lame, but really super.

[The JoZ]

Yea, we practice ALOT when we get together. We are actually scheduling some 12 to 16 hour practices to work on material. If it were up to us we would lock ourselves away for 6 months and not surface until the CD was complete.

Dang, and I thought my own 3+ hour practices were long. Haha.

[Kurrpt]

I wish I had a band...



dude fuk that attitude. I LITERALLY started my own....which isnt too hard.......i just wish i would have tried harder to not be stuck in the position. I keep submitting new ads cause im tryin to bail on these ******s, but i want another project lined up first

[SonorKen]

Well, I love playing Tool covers at shows. It seperates bands. When other bands see you cover a complicated Tool song to the T you really turn thier heads. We have always been a band that plays for other musicians, its really cool to be surrounded by so many talented and gifted people.

[Kurrpt]

i actually got a call from some old guy who said hes been playing drums for like 15 years or more. I would totally be kewl with him, but then i would need a practice space, since we practice in the current drummers barn.

[Kurrpt]

Well, I love playing Tool covers at shows. It seperates bands. When other bands see you cover a complicated Tool song to the T you really turn thier heads. We have always been a band that plays for other musicians, its really cool to be surrounded by so many talented and gifted people.


dam u gifted people, im jealous..


actually im really happy for you...........but im still jealous

[Magicaltroll]

I personally would jam 24 hours a day if I had the choice. However, working on putting an album together is a lot more grueling than jamming.
YEah, I hate writing new stuff with the band... But its well worth it when you're done, because then you get to play shows and everything :thumb:

I give people my number all the time, and then they call back and schedule something, and then no one comes. It's super lame. Like lame, but really super.
I know I HATE that. People are like "Oh yeah man, I'm a pretty good singer, I can be there around 3, sure"
/4:30
Wtf? Why isnt the guy here yet?
/calls him
"Oh... uhhh... I had some stuff to do, I don't think its gonna work out"
:evil:

[siva_chair]

dude fuk that attitude. I LITERALLY started my own....which isnt too hard.......i just wish i would have tried harder to not be stuck in the position. I keep submitting new ads cause im tryin to bail on these ******s, but i want another project lined up first


I live in Kansas. I live in a town of about 3,000 people (mostly old people). Needless to say, there aren't many musicians around here that are seriously interested in starting a band. So yeah, it is hard.

Thankfully, I'll be going off to college in the fall. Hopefully I can get some people then.

[Huber]

My biggest drawback is a place to play. My garage is filled with pretty much a house. A pipe leaked a few years ago and flooded are house and everything ruined was put into the garage. You can't see the floor, it's bad. I need to find like a shed or something to play in.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I have my dad working at our local school, with its 3rd in the country for greatest music centers. Which i've been told can be booked at anytime for knock down prices for having such a contact at the school.

Trouble is, needing a band to play with there. They have professional recording equipment and everything.

[Kurrpt]

I have my dad working at our local school, with its 3rd in the country for greatest music centers. Which i've been told can be booked at anytime for knock down prices for having such a contact at the school.

Trouble is, needing a band to play with there. They have professional recording equipment and everything.


dam, well we have a barn thats pretty nice. Theres a sheep in the bottom that my drummer likes to fuk, but we got the entire second story for jamming. Problem is when i get rid of the drummer, obviously im gonna need a new space to practice. It would be worth it to have someone who can stay on the same page as everyone else

[SonorKen]

I have thought about building an area close to my home, 2 seperate sound proofed studios, with drum sets, guitar half stack, bass half stack. All the guys would need to bring would be thier cymbals, guitar and bass heads and some blank cassette tapes if they want to record. I would charge 20 bucks an hour and let people practice there. They could schedule whatever they want.

I also thought about setting up monthly plans, you could get so much time, scheduled in advance at a reduced rate. This would help alot of bands that don't have alot of cash have the ability to practice and still be relatively easy and cheap.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I discussed such a venture one day like that KEn, there was a disused room above a local shop for sale, and it was a serious idea for a while that we riske da venture on transforming a room to allow for bands to use as a practice space. Our town lacks anywhere at the moment for reliable, cost effective practice space, and its really affecting local musicians.

Unfortunately, we never had the guts or the buisness heads to attempt such an idea.

[BurtonChancellor]

Yea, we practice ALOT when we get together. We are actually scheduling some 12 to 16 hour practices to work on material. If it were up to us we would lock ourselves away for 6 months and not surface until the CD was complete.
Heh, that sounds familiar. Back in the old days (well...last year, that is) a couple of my bandmates worked at a bar, and I also worked for a catering company in the same building, so we were able to get access to the bar after it closed. So, we'd haul all of our equipment in there on a weekly basis, usually on a friday, and we'd play from 11:00 at night until 7 or 8 the next morning.

We don't have the bar available anymore though, so our old style all-night practices are a rarity now. Usually we'll get together at my house now at around 11 in the morning and go straight through until about five or six in the evening. Still not a bad length for a practice (my cousin who has his own band always tells me we're nuts), but we all miss the all-nighter days.

[Magicaltroll]

Heh, that sounds familiar. Back in the old days (well...last year, that is) a couple of my bandmates worked at a bar, and I also worked for a catering company in the same building, so we were able to get access to the bar after it closed. So, we'd haul all of our equipment in there on a weekly basis, usually on a friday, and we'd play from 11:00 at night until 7 or 8 the next morning.

We don't have the bar available anymore though, so our old style all-night practices are a rarity now. Usually we'll get together at my house now at around 11 in the morning and go straight through until about five or six in the evening. Still not a bad length for a practice (my cousin who has his own band always tells me we're nuts), but we all miss the all-nighter days.

With school and everything, we practice form 3-5:30 :(
But they usually are very productive.

[deathmetal]

I think that when it comes to TOOL, it doesn't matter what we think the lyrics are supposed to mean. They are the one band where their lyrics can go numerous different ways. You just gotta go by the way you feel I guess. I dunno. They're artisitic, and we all can tie many different things in with their lyrics

[deathmetal]

Hey, aint this a TOOL thread, not talking about fricken band practices and what not.

[Darkness]

The bands that are being discussed are an online tribute band, and another band that is highly influenced by Tool.

[Magicaltroll]

Hey, aint this a TOOL thread, not talking about fricken band practices and what not.
Its not so much a Tool only thread, its for Tool fans to come together and talk about music/whatever :)

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Clearvision- Sorry about 2 pages back. :p I meant "ouch" as "good take, but it's still a mic recording." Sorry for the misconseption. It didn't deserve an ouch. (a)

Ken- I wish someone could do something like that in my town. It would be an awesome way to meet people looking for a band. I actually know a very good drummer, but he is working on his solo project(he also plays guitar, bass, vox, and his current project is somewhat of a progressive thrash type of deal, so I'm pumped up for it) and he is also in another band, so he's kind of too busy to play with me. I know a bassist, but she changed schools and became a pothead. :(

Meh, I geuss I'll stick to recording mic'd Tool covers. :p

[SonorKen]

Its not so much a Tool only thread, its for Tool fans to come together and talk about music/whatever :)
Exactly, this is a place where all us Tool fans have created a community. The last thing we need is someone coming in telling us what to do. Fit in or take a hike.

[Huber]

Tool doesn't release enough info to talk about for there to be constant Tool talk anyways. I like the Tool Community thread idea better anyways.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Especially since the whole Tribute thing has started, this thread has become more of a community oriented thread rather that Tool talk. I've seen more sharing of ideas and expierences than just talking about Tool. I really like it this way. :D

[Huber]

Another group of guys asked me to be there drummer today, and they offered to help clean up my garage. These could be the guys who don't flake! Hoorah!

[SonorKen]

Gratz Slip! Keep us informed man. I agree Jake, who ever would have thought they would see me and Joz actually getting along!! I wouldnt have bet that in a thousand years, he is turning out to be one of my favorite mxers!

[Huber]

That's just how cool this thread is

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Heh. Why didn't you guys get along before?

[SonorKen]

We just clashed over some goofy stuff. Both of us are strong minded and wouldnt budge. Its all in the past as far as Im concerned. And he is right, I can be a prick at times.

[Werny]

I've had to stay out of here for a while... too much equipment talk! I was thinking about learning drums once but it's waaaay too much farking money.

Ken, I remember reading "we think people will identify with our music" or something along those lines. Just remember what Danny says (something like this, it's on his website):

"If you're playing just to get signed, do us all a favor and stop right now." "You don't want to sacrifice your art to get famous".

I'm not saying you're playing just to get signed, but it sounds like you think the combination of your virtuosic skills and experiences of your members will be good for your success. There's a pretty high chance that you won't be sellin' out records any time soon, so just don't get worked up.

[SonorKen]

Oh Im not worked up at all, its quite the contrary. People are already trying to get us to play shows and we won't budge. We have certain objectives in mind and long term goals set, goals 2 years down the road. We have amazing guest guitarists, and vocalists scheduled to come jam with us. We are definiatly not in this for the money, all of us in the band are financially set and in no hurry to try to force anything. We are actually in about the best shape a band could hope to be in, we all have alot of life experience and strong opinions about what we want to do. The guys I am with are very intelligent and some of the most unique people you will ever meet. We range in age from the early 20's to early 30's and have occupations ranging from Engineers to Physics majors.

The point Im trying to make is were not going to be one of those bands that are trying to write something popular to get noticed. The stuff we are working on is actually very much against the mainstream grain and not very popular topics. These are things important to us that we feel many more people have the same outlook.

As far as success if it comes it comes, the cd we are working on is for 4 people. If others like it then that is the cherry ontop of the icing.

[Otherside]

Will you be uploading the CD for us when it's done? That would be awesome.

[SonorKen]

yea, I'll upload some tracks while they are being developed for everyones input.

[Moses]

Oh Im not worked up at all, its quite the contrary. People are already trying to get us to play shows and we won't budge. We have certain objectives in mind and long term goals set, goals 2 years down the road. We have amazing guest guitarists, and vocalists scheduled to come jam with us. We are definiatly not in this for the money, all of us in the band are financially set and in no hurry to try to force anything. We are actually in about the best shape a band could hope to be in, we all have alot of life experience and strong opinions about what we want to do. The guys I am with are very intelligent and some of the most unique people you will ever meet. We range in age from the early 20's to early 30's and have occupations ranging from Engineers to Physics majors.

The point Im trying to make is were not going to be one of those bands that are trying to write something popular to get noticed. The stuff we are working on is actually very much against the mainstream grain and not very popular topics. These are things important to us that we feel many more people have the same outlook.

As far as success if it comes it comes, the cd we are working on is for 4 people. If others like it then that is the cherry ontop of the icing.
If the chance came up would you want to get signed? Also what about touring? I mean that has to take a toll on your day jobs.

[Kage]

Another group of guys asked me to be there drummer today, and they offered to help clean up my garage. These could be the guys who don't flake! Hoorah!
Ironic that in every band I've formed, the drummer is the flake :evil:

Right now I'm playing guitar in a band with four other people. The singer, the other guitarist and I have been playing/writing together for about 2 or 3 years, trying to get bands going, and we always have trouble getting a strong rhythm section. Right now we have a bassist who is pretty dedicated and a drummer who seems to love doing it, but still flakes.

Girls will cause the downfall of all male-made music, I tell you that.

[Kurrpt]

i finally remembered to bring my cable to transfer backing tracks to my MP3 player. I should be able to upload guitar for Part of Me tomorrow. Let me know if there is any other backing tracks i should take along :thumb:

[Kurrpt]

Ironic that in every band I've formed, the drummer is the flake :evil:

Right now I'm playing guitar in a band with four other people. The singer, the other guitarist and I have been playing/writing together for about 2 or 3 years, trying to get bands going, and we always have trouble getting a strong rhythm section. Right now we have a bassist who is pretty dedicated and a drummer who seems to love doing it, but still flakes.

Girls will cause the downfall of all male-made music, I tell you that.


my girl always get pissed when she even sees me pull out a guitar. I think shes smart enuff to realize its a competition

[joas]

Haha, I've personally never had that trouble, 'senate. (Good to see you again, too. :))

Right now I'm in a crap situation where it's a drummer, a bassist, and me (guitar)-- and we're all very dedicated to playing and love to just hang out and practice/jam, but I live about 35-45 minutes away from them. We always practice down there, so it's easier on the drummer (we're only 16-17 and no cars), but school gets in the way. And parents. Parents never like making trips like that once you're past the age of 13.

So now, we only practice every other week or so. :( But, when we do, it's a great time, and I'm sure if we'd have a bit more time we'd really be gigging around town with our instrumental-jamband-improvisational crap. :) Oh well.


[The whole point is to show a common place to jam at for a few bucks would be a great idea in my town]

[Kurrpt]

i have the problem of my bassist and drummer being little bitches, talking sh*t behind my back, refusing to learn the music, etc....


yea i think mine is worse

[G_Mac07]

i have the problem of my bassist and drummer being little bitches, talking sh*t behind my back, refusing to learn the music, etc....


yea i think mine is worse

Talking **** seems to come up a little often when your concerned. Perhaps you should chill out for a bit, stop taking recording so seriously and go back to having a jam with a few mates.

Music shouldn't be an occupation, it should be something you enjoy creating.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

i wish i had like minded musicians near me willing to jam.

Its all either emo/screamo bands or ska musicians. Neither seem to fit well with my musical direction.

[siva_chair]

i wish i had like minded musicians near me willing to jam.

Its all either emo/screamo bands or ska musicians. Neither seem to fit well with my musical direction.

I have a very similar problem. The few number of competent musicians around my area are either too lazy to start a band, or are all into Green Day and **** like that.

[Kurrpt]

Talking **** seems to come up a little often when your concerned. Perhaps you should chill out for a bit, stop taking recording so seriously and go back to having a jam with a few mates.

Music shouldn't be an occupation, it should be something you enjoy creating.


well, i deff enjoy just playing in general. The problem is they arent constructive. They want to jam, in the purest sense, but they can never remember what they were playing, so realistically its a waste of time

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I have a very similar problem. The few number of competent musicians around my area are either too lazy to start a band, or are all into Green Day and **** like that.

I wouldnt mind Green Day orientated players. I havent had a jam sesson in aaaaaagges. And its affecting my playing.

[Artemician]

My band never seems to have any trouble playing anywhere, and it's a fully formed group with no musicians needed. Some would say I'm lucky because of this, but my band has this infernal trouble with not accomplishing anything, playing random riffs, then saying goodbye to music altogether and turning on the X-Box.

I think the main problem is that we can't actually agree on what type of stuff to play. I mean, the band practices are fun and all, but it's kind of sad when a band has been playing together for more than 8 months and still have absolutely nothing to show for it.

[Kurrpt]

My band never seems to have any trouble playing anywhere, and it's a fully formed group with no musicians needed. Some would say I'm lucky because of this, but my band has this infernal trouble with not accomplishing anything, playing random riffs, then saying goodbye to music altogether and turning on the X-Box.

I think the main problem is that we can't actually agree on what type of stuff to play. I mean, the band practices are fun and all, but it's kind of sad when a band has been playing together for more than 8 months and still have absolutely nothing to show for it.


yea thats my problem. WE never get anything accomplished. The other people refuse to take a leading role, so in turn i do. Then when i try to lead, or have some method to the madness, they just bitch and moan

[siva_chair]

I wouldnt mind Green Day orientated players. I havent had a jam sesson in aaaaaagges. And its affecting my playing.


You see, I do, because 1) I don't like Green Day and 2) If you know one Green Day song, you pretty much know every one of them (with a few exceptions), so jamming with these said people really doesn't accomplish much.

I do occasionally jam with this older guy I know that plays a lot of folk and bluegrass stuff. Its very interesting.

[Huber]

Girls are the downfall of every man made thing period, except semen.

Edit: I read an earlier post and somehow thought it was new. /fails

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

^^I don't know what that is in reference to, but so very true.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Girls are the downfall of every man made thing period, except semen.

I will find a counter example, but im going to have to agree strongly with you at the moment. They seem to have a lot of cons.

But their pros generally seem to outweigh them, even though there are few

[Huber]

Yeah, sex weighs in at like 200 pounds, while bitchiness and lame arguments weigh about 150

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Dont forget the 20 pounds for theft of common sense and logical thinking.

Madey is going to flip next tiem she psots here

[Huber]

I didn't know she was a girl, oh well, we were just kidding anyways ;)

[Kurrpt]

yea, not to mention the doing the laundry and getting you outta tight jams at times.


Hey adam, you record anything lately? ima get that Part of Me recorded today. I think it should be all good to go. Im not sure if im gonna record it clean and add effect later, or just say FUK it and go with the Dual recto tone

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Except we wanna keep them at a little less than 200lbs

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Love to madey. I bet she's on the 200 pound side any day.


Oh shi

[Huber]

Oh noes! A Fat joke!

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Hey adam, you record anything lately? ima get that Part of Me recorded today. I think it should be all good to go. Im not sure if im gonna record it clean and add effect later, or just say FUK it and go with the Dual recto tone

I still have no method of recording available. My sound card makes too many noises and my mic only picks up small tactical nuke explosion sounds.

[Huber]

Yeah, the fan in my computer makes a stupid buzzing sound throughout everything I record, so I have to use my mom's laptop. My mom hates me using it sometimes, and I don't understand why, she never uses it at all.

[Kurrpt]

Yeah, the fan in my computer makes a stupid buzzing sound throughout everything I record, so I have to use my mom's laptop. My mom hates me using it sometimes, and I don't understand why, she never uses it at all.


dam, im glad i got my GNX4 :thumb:

[Huber]

I don't know anything about recording, so that was greek.

[Red_cloud]

Hey tool fans sorry to interupt the band/recording talk but i was wondering wat you though of tatoos or other forms of body decoration as shown on Alex Grey's site (http://www.alexgrey.com/ )

I'm thinking of getting vajra or an eye flame. What do you all think?

[Huber]

Those pictures look cool, but I'm no tattoo expert.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I considered the eye flame for a long time. But i've seen some real sucky jobs of it.

If you get anything tatooed of his, try and make it a non tool relate dpiece, people will be dicks and call you a fan boy and poser. Alex Grey is an amazing artist

[Kurrpt]

Hey tool fans sorry to interupt the band/recording talk but i was wondering wat you though of tatoos or other forms of body decoration as shown on Alex Grey's site (http://www.alexgrey.com/ )

I'm thinking of getting vajra or an eye flame. What do you all think?
i was actually thinking about getting that flame eye in the top middle of my back......even before i knew that site existed

[The JoZ]

Madey is going to rip you guys a few new holes, I think :p

[Huber]

Only if you keep bringing it up...

[clearvision]

:lol: @ fat joke

Women are too hit and miss, and yes do get in the way of life alittle too much.

/gets in before the page turn and madeys eyes glance over :cool:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Madey is going to rip you guys a few new holes, I think :p

Not if I edit the hell out of my posts.

She knows we love her. Any girl that loves tool is an instant hottie*.


(*how british of me)

[Huber]

I was oblivious. Gender doesn't matter in music conversation anyways...

/hypocrite

Edit: Hoorah! 2000th post!

[The JoZ]

Not if I edit the hell out of my posts.

She knows we love her. Any girl that loves tool is an instant hottie*.


(*how british of me)

I'd agree.

She's pretty hot even without being a Tool fan, but liking Tool is even better.

Sadly, she's probably the only girl posting in this thread :(

[clearvision]

She knows we love her. Any girl that loves tool is a piece of top totty

British'd


I need to get a tool shirt, I shall put it on my to buy list...

[Huber]

Tool shirts are awesome.

[Kurrpt]

adam, its scary that when i type in my response and submit it, yea you already submitted the same dam thing.............you scare me sometimes

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I need to get a tool shirt, I shall put it on my to buy list...

If there's a Forbidden Planet store near you, they sell good ones there.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

adam, its scary that when i type in my response and submit it, yea you already submitted the same dam thing.............you scare me sometimes

This Adam = Ben

REAL NAME ROLL CALL EVERYONE (about time too)

[clearvision]

:lol: there's a dodgy place in the market that shoul dort me out...

New system of a down album leaked yesterday...Opinions?

/Knew your name was Ben but prefer to call you AJIG :p

//Rob reporting for duty sir

[Kurrpt]

British'd


I need to get a tool shirt, I shall put it on my to buy list...


i have 6, and 2 APC shirts. I only wear maybe 1 every week. I try to have a bunch since they rule, plus you dont have to wear the same one, which means they wont wear out extremely fast.

I recently found the one i couldnt find for like a year. It was purchased at a concert for 40 bucks. Yea i was giddy

[Huber]

REAL NAME ROLL CALL EVERYONE (about time too)

My name is Brandon, but I go by Huber. Huber is a much cooler name.

Pronounced Hyoo-ber

[Kurrpt]

This Adam = Ben

REAL NAME ROLL CALL EVERYONE (about time too)


Paul

[Kurrpt]

This Adam = Ben

REAL NAME ROLL CALL EVERYONE (about time too)


I shall call him <pinky> MINI ME!!!

[Huber]

I hate the bell, it makes me stand up. Now I have to go to History...

Which if you had forgotten since your last History class, is really boring.

[Kurrpt]

Ben: ya know how i asked you about tuning a floyd rose from E to drop D and back again, and you said i wouldnt need to tune the whole deal. I just wanted to complain to ya. I unlocked the E and A strings, retuned the E to D (with the screw in the whole way) re-locked it....BLOW!!!! had to restring the whole thing. Thankfully im getting more accustomed to the whole procedure.

[The JoZ]

Sup I'm Drew.

[Kurrpt]

this sounds like an AA meeting now



hi, my name is Paul, i have a drinking problem [lowers head]

EVERYONE : Hi Paul

councellor : its nice of you to join us today Paul

[Adam Jones is GOD]

this sounds like an AA meeting now



hi, my name is Paul A'mour, i have a Tool problem [lowers head]

EVERYONE : Hi Paul

Chancellor : its nice of you to join us today Paul



Fix'd for funie

ANd that floyd rose thing will work, unless you have a different model to mine.

[Kurrpt]

Fix'd for funie

ANd that floyd rose thing will work, unless you have a different model to mine.


haha yea that is better, i dont get the A'more, but it makes my name sound like polymer, and thats kewl :thumb:

[clearvision]

AJIG, that didn't sound too good...like he was having problems with his spanner or something :confused:

A polymer, WHAT THE FCUK.

Erm he was the bassist before justin, he wrote up to the aenima album, where justin took over.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Say it slowly. he has a semi point, but im not getting why thats cool.

And my humour is off this week. So laugh supportivley please

And my spelling is also on a break.

[Kurrpt]

Fix'd for funie

ANd that floyd rose thing will work, unless you have a different model to mine.


well, it will work, but i had to retune the whole dam thing is all i was saying.

[Kurrpt]

Say it slowly. he has a semi point, but im not getting why thats cool.

And my humour is off this week. So laugh supportivley please

And my spelling is also on a break.


yea, im sure you werent referring to that word, it was just what popped into my head


but ur good

[Adam Jones is GOD]

well, it will work, but i had to retune the whole dam thing is all i was saying.

Time taken to retune - Time to change from E to D without method = Big big saving

[clearvision]

It rhymes with polymer i spose...

But amour and polystyrene :confused:

[Moses]

If the chance came up would you want to get signed? Also what about touring? I mean that has to take a toll on your day jobs.
Is it just me or does Ken never reply to my questions.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Ken's a busy man. He only has time to skim the the thread normally. Im sure he'll see it eventually though

[Moses]

Ken's a busy man. He only has time to skim the the thread normally. Im sure he'll see it eventually though
Yeah, it's cool. I just felt somewhat ignored.

[clearvision]

Meh i even tried to flag ken down in the drum forum the other week, just go looked over :(

[Adam Jones is GOD]

AIM him is probably the best way. Of course, i despise AIM and wont reinstall it unless msn explodes.

I cant remember his AIM though.

[Darkness]

I have a Kahler bridge on my guitar, one with the locking and everything. My teacher told me these are better then most floyd roses, as they are easier to move and stuff...

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Blair is teasing again

http://www.toolband.com/news/index.html Second article. The first sounds great though, FOR YOU AMERICANS :angry:

[Darkness]

lol... I just read that and rushed to the site to post but I was beaten...****...


At least now we know forsure the band is recording.... heh heh.

[Kage]

Blair is teasing again

http://www.toolband.com/news/index.html Second article. The first sounds great though, FOR YOU AMERICANS :angry:
As an American, I'll be interested to read the article..

/makes way to the Tool site


Oh, and my real name is Kyle.

[joas]

I'm Jacob, but I only stop by this thread from time to time.



What would you do if Tool's album leaked? Download and listen, or wait?

.. Or perhaps, download, listen, and then buy once it came out? O_o

[Huber]

I'd wait. It'd be worth it to build the anticipation up until the release.

Good subject BTW :thumb:

[misunderstood]

I'd probably wait also just like I did for the NIN release. Waiting for the release date just builds up alot more excitment and when you finally have it in your hands...it's great! Heh.
Oh, by the way, I'm Carla.

[Huber]

Yeah, I can't wait for the Catch 33 release! I've waited so long and seen so many mixed reviews it's going to be a great experience when I first buy it.

[Darkness]

My real names Mike...


And I wouldn't download it, me and my friend have talked about camping outside the day before it comes out so were first in line at CD plus. :D

[Magicaltroll]

Yeah, I can't wait for the Catch 33 release! I've waited so long and seen so many mixed reviews it's going to be a great experience when I first buy it.
Its awesome man.

And I'm Brian.

[Huber]

My real names Mike...


And I wouldn't download it, me and my friend have talked about camping outside the day before it comes out so were first in line at CD plus. :D

Do you really think there would be a line?

[BlindWriting]

Blair is teasing again

http://www.toolband.com/news/index.html Second article. The first sounds great though, FOR YOU AMERICANS :angry:
If you're talking about the Volto! thing, then yeah. That should be totally awesome. Chad from the Chili Peppers will be drumming there, too.

I'm Dan, by the way.

[Darkness]

Do you really think there would be a line?
Mabye not for Tool, but there probably would be a few people there. Its a busy place.

[Moses]

My name's Nojus. (Noyus) It's Lithuanian, came to America when I was two.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

My name's Dave and I'm a 12 year old male prostitute from Amsterdam; that may explain my poor singing voice.

What's this about Danny? Doing some sort of a fusion thing?

[Darkness]

My name's Nojus. (Noyus) It's Lithuanian, came to America when I was two.
Thats a cool name man.

[Moses]

Thats a cool name man.
Stanks.

[Kage]

Ben, are you under some misconception that all Americans can easily get from one side of the country to the other? I'm from Houston, and New Jersey is...well...a couple hundred miles from here :p

On the other hand, I'm extremely excited by Blair's post, because it confirms that they're actually recording.

[Moses]

Ben, are you under some misconception that all Americans can easily get from one side of the country to the other? I'm from Houston, and New Jersey is...well...a couple hundred miles from here :p

On the other hand, I'm extremely excited by Blair's post, because it confirms that they're actually recording.
I was glad for that as well.

[something erotic]

Hi, my name is George. I stop by here every once in a while, but i never really post. Tool is my favorite band (just ask Madey). Im not exactly new, but i dont know why i never really got into the tool thread. So ill be here a lot now. Oh and to answer your question, i wouldnt download it, id get it when it came out.

[SonorKen]

If the chance came up would you want to get signed? Also what about touring? I mean that has to take a toll on your day jobs.
I promise ya I don't ignore anyone. I have been behind a drum kit for about 9 hours and am pretty wore out.

Hmm would we sign if offered, depending on the deal Im certain we would if we were ready and we would tour to promote the recording. After the day we had today I feel like Im putting the horse before the cart, had one of those days of banging your head against the wall.

[Werny]

Oh Im not worked up at all, its quite the contrary. People are already trying to get us to play shows and we won't budge. We have certain objectives in mind and long term goals set, goals 2 years down the road. We have amazing guest guitarists, and vocalists scheduled to come jam with us. We are definiatly not in this for the money, all of us in the band are financially set and in no hurry to try to force anything. We are actually in about the best shape a band could hope to be in, we all have alot of life experience and strong opinions about what we want to do. The guys I am with are very intelligent and some of the most unique people you will ever meet. We range in age from the early 20's to early 30's and have occupations ranging from Engineers to Physics majors.

The point Im trying to make is were not going to be one of those bands that are trying to write something popular to get noticed. The stuff we are working on is actually very much against the mainstream grain and not very popular topics. These are things important to us that we feel many more people have the same outlook.

As far as success if it comes it comes, the cd we are working on is for 4 people. If others like it then that is the cherry ontop of the icing.

Ok man, sorry for the little mix up.

It sounds great, it's always great to hear another smart band is starting. I know you all love Tool, but when you start writing your own stuff do you think you'll go progressive?

Can't WAIT to hear some stuff, maybe you might end up inspiring me to actually learn drums.

[Moses]

I promise ya I don't ignore anyone. I have been behind a drum kit for about 9 hours and am pretty wore out.

Hmm would we sign if offered, depending on the deal Im certain we would if we were ready and we would tour to promote the recording. After the day we had today I feel like Im putting the horse before the cart, had one of those days of banging your head against the wall.
That's cool, but what about your day jobs? If your touring I mean, wouldn't that set that back a bit?

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Yeah, I'm usually not the suck up-type - but you guys had a very good sound. A lot of what you hear on these boards just sounds like simplistic underground bullsh!t, and you guys seem like you'll hit it big.

[Kage]

Progressive is very hard to write.. at least for beginning musicians. Well, not necessarily beginning, just new. Or something. But like I was saying.. progressive takes a lot of thought and revision to get it right.. but it's definately a great feeling after you've written a prog song.
Yes, to sit down and decide to write a prog song is very difficult. But it seems the way my band is going these days, that's just how our music comes out. And sometimes it bites us in the *** when we realize it's just one huge 10-minute wandering piece. Then you have to sit down and give it some structure or else it just turns into wanking.

I find writing in traditional song structure boring.

[Moses]

I find writing in traditional song structure boring.
12345 It's hard for me not to wander out of structure when I'm feeling inspired.

[Darkness]

Yeah, the first full song I wrote seemed to have followed a intro, verse, chorus, verse, chorus, solo, bridge, chorus, outro formula, but between now and the time I wrote it its almost compeltly different.

[BlindWriting]

Yes, to sit down and decide to write a prog song is very difficult. But it seems the way my band is going these days, that's just how our music comes out. And sometimes it bites us in the *** when we realize it's just one huge 10-minute wandering piece. Then you have to sit down and give it some structure or else it just turns into wanking.

I find writing in traditional song structure boring.
You are so lucky. I would love to be in a prog metal band. The one I'm drumming in now is sort of straight-up melodic/bluesy rock, and I managed to get us working on a prog song. I play bongos while the guitarist plays a palm-muted distorted part, and after a couple of minutes I get on drums and the main parts of the song kick in. But it's so much harder to organize a song like that as a drummer, especially when the other members aren't really fans of it.

Either way, I'm always throwing some small influences from Danny Carey, Josh Freese, and Mike Portney into the songs.

But yeah, writing a prog song is really difficult. Omar from The Mars Volta met with each of the five other members of the band, completely individually, to work on the songs he put together for Frances The Mute.

[BlindWriting]

All incredible drummers. Have your band members tried to listen to prog before? Do they just not like it?
Not quite sure as to how much they've heard, but they know some and appreciate the technical aspects of it, but overall prefer other genre's of R&M over it. But I still really like what we're doing now.

[Huber]

All the people that have asked me to be there drummer are all Tool fans, so I'm not scared. They just have to call me back :(

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Jake is me. :eek:

Go figure.

As for song structure, I've been playing for about 8 or so months, and I can write some fairly catchy riffs, but I can never sit down and put them together. I need some less catchy stuff for the other parts of the song. :p

[Anarchy_In_Mexico]

This doesn't have much to do with Tool, but what do you guys think of Cam de Leon's art? he does most of the artwork and art in the tool videos (for those that didn't know).
I really like it, i think it fits perfectly with the music and each piece has its own life.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I think he has taken a lot of inlfluence from the arist that did The Wall movie by Pink Floyd. They both use very interesting abstract art pieces to create an atmospheric sensation. Great use of imagery as well. :p

EDIT: I think that everything Tool has ever done has been influenced by Pink Floyd, so ignore me. :)

[heavy metal kid]

This doesn't have much to do with Tool, but what do you guys think of Cam de Leon's art? he does most of the artwork and art in the tool videos (for those that didn't know).
I really like it, i think it fits perfectly with the music and each piece has its own life.

I agree, the art of tool's videos fits to the music, that guy is a real original artist, i hope to see more of his work on the new tool video or album(still waiting it).

[Anarchy_In_Mexico]

I agree, the art of tool's videos fits to the music, that guy is a real original artist, i hope to see more of his work on the new tool video or album(still waiting it).

He's going to be at the Comic-con in san diego this year, i saw him lst year, hes a pretty cool guy, kind of how i imagined him. And yeah, i'm really hoping for more of his work on this tool cd.

I think he has taken a lot of inlfluence from the arist that did The Wall movie by Pink Floyd. They both use very interesting abstract art pieces to create an atmospheric sensation. Great use of imagery as well. :p

EDIT: I think that everything Tool has ever done has been influenced by Pink Floyd, so ignore me. :)

Yeah, i saw The Wall yesterday, and i didn't notice at the moment, but now that you mention it, it has some influence, but i find it way darker and a little sarcastic at times.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Has anyone heard anything more about the friggen Lateralus DVD? The last thing I heard about it was when Ben(Yes, no more AJIG acronym!) posted the Tool newsletter saying that there would be one..but the letter was sent on April Fools day, right? :-/

Anyways, I just wanted an update. :)


AiM-I relate a lot of things that Tool does to Pink Floyd. They're my 2 favorite bands, so I have a hard time seperating the two. :p And yes, there aren't very many similarities in the 2 artists, but enough for me to mention it, I think.

[Anarchy_In_Mexico]

Has anyone heard anything more about the friggen Lateralus DVD? The last thing I heard about it was when Ben(Yes, no more AJIG acronym!) posted the Tool newsletter saying that there would be one..but the letter was sent on April Fools day, right? :-/

Anyways, I just wanted an update. :)


AiM-I relate a lot of things that Tool does to Pink Floyd. They're my 2 favorite bands, so I have a hard time seperating the two. :p And yes, there aren't very many similarities in the 2 artists, but enough for me to mention it, I think.


I wish there was an update to, it would be so fuking sweet, but chances are that if there is one that its going to be like the black sabbath dvd, its good, but i hate it when they cut the songs.

No problem, i've been getting a lot into pink floyd lately, and i understand, althought i only have wish you were here, i do find some similarities in songs like D/R/T or the grudge and pink floyd

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

D/R/T?

You know that the soloish riff in The Grudge is the same keyboard riff used in Shine on you Crazy Diamond, right? It's in the last 2 minutes of the grudge, and the 4 first minutes of SOYCD, if you wanna check it out further. :thumb:

[Rounder]

D/R/T?

You know that the soloish riff in The Grudge is the same keyboard riff used in Shine on you Crazy Diamond, right? It's in the last 2 minutes of the grudge, and the 4 first minutes of SOYCD, if you wanna check it out further. :thumb:

I think Tool is influenced by Floyd as far as the sense of atmosphere that both bands have, its very ethereal, and mystical. Musically however, I think Rush has more of an influence on Tool than Floyd. Songs like Jacobs ladder, Natural Science, and even some of the singles like Tom Sawyer, YYZ, Subdivions. There are Toolisms in those songs and there is a definite influence there. Ive seen videos of adam opening the show with the opening riff to 'A Passage to Bankok'. Daney especially. He borrows several Pert styles and even a straight up riff or 2. (the Patient, during the first chorus, that tom fill he repeats 3 times, pert plays that same riff on one of rush's albums.) Even the way the records are mixed are similar in some respects (the dry drum sound, the loud bass parts,)

Ive kinda always seen Tool as a natural evolution of rush. Rush has over 20 records, so Tool better get crackin...

[Kurrpt]

sorry i dont have the Part of me guitar to post today. I was working on it yesterday (just get the changes on lock down) when my girl came over and kept pressuring me to leave. So what did i do, neglect her and write the changes down on paper. I would have done it this morning, but realized i left my MP3 player at a friends, so i couldnt transfer it, to bring it to work to upload it.


/shoot me

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

D/R/T?
Disposition/Reflection/Triad :)

[Kurrpt]

dude i wanna do a triad cover so bad, it gets my knickers in a tussle

[The JoZ]

Good luck covering Triad, nobody knows how to replicate the guitar parts

[Kurrpt]

Good luck covering Triad, nobody knows how to replicate the guitar parts

I do, i just dont have an epilady. I might be able to hollow out an electric razor though

[Anarchy_In_Mexico]

D/R/T?

You know that the soloish riff in The Grudge is the same keyboard riff used in Shine on you Crazy Diamond, right? It's in the last 2 minutes of the grudge, and the 4 first minutes of SOYCD, if you wanna check it out further. :thumb:

:amaze: gotta check it out, maby thats why i find similarities ^.^U

[clearvision]

I do, i just dont have an epilady. I might be able to hollow out an electric razor though

Strong rumours are that adam plays through 10 synths or something on that song :confused: yeh, thats what JoZ was getting at

[Kurrpt]

Strong rumours are that adam plays through 10 synths or something on that song :confused: yeh, thats what JoZ was getting at



noperz!!!! he actually got the idea from Dave navarro that used a vibrator. He worked for Hollywood as a special effects dude.

[Rothmans]

noperz!!!! he actually got the idea from Dave navarro that used a vibrator. He worked for Hollywood as a special effects dude.


That was for push it not reflection.
(Im almost positive)

[clearvision]

I have read that article on toolshed where he says bout the epilady. He may use an epilady but recreating the whole sound does require numerous synths i think...

[Kurrpt]

I have read that article on toolshed where he says bout the epilady. He may use an epilady but recreating the whole sound does require numerous synths i think...

its all feedback with the pup and the oscilating motor

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Strong rumours are that adam plays through 10 synths or something on that song :confused: yeh, thats what JoZ was getting at

Im pretty sure its 10 pedals. I remember reading an article on Tool's synth work ages ago, about how the beast they have is one in 3 made in the world, and that Kraftwork have one of the others

[Artemician]

I think Tool is influenced by Floyd as far as the sense of atmosphere that both bands have, its very ethereal, and mystical. Musically however, I think Rush has more of an influence on Tool than Floyd. Songs like Jacobs ladder, Natural Science, and even some of the singles like Tom Sawyer, YYZ, Subdivions. There are Toolisms in those songs and there is a definite influence there. Ive seen videos of adam opening the show with the opening riff to 'A Passage to Bankok'. Daney especially. He borrows several Pert styles and even a straight up riff or 2. (the Patient, during the first chorus, that tom fill he repeats 3 times, pert plays that same riff on one of rush's albums.) Even the way the records are mixed are similar in some respects (the dry drum sound, the loud bass parts,)

Ive kinda always seen Tool as a natural evolution of rush. Rush has over 20 records, so Tool better get crackin...

I think so too, you can easily tell that Natural Science (among others) has influenced Tool in at least some ways.

[SonorKen]

Yeah, I'm usually not the suck up-type - but you guys had a very good sound. A lot of what you hear on these boards just sounds like simplistic underground bullsh!t, and you guys seem like you'll hit it big.
Man thanks alot, I appreciatte that. Some of the guys kinda browse through here after I told them about it and they all are appreciative of the comments as well. Were working hard, beating our heads on the wall at times but I think were making progress.

That's cool, but what about your day jobs? If your touring I mean, wouldn't that set that back a bit?
Well, we will be at a point that our jobs will be irrelevant. If and when this happens it will be a life changing process that will take priority over everything. Our main purpose right now is to concrentrate on the music and the ideas were writing about.

Ok man, sorry for the little mix up.

It sounds great, it's always great to hear another smart band is starting. I know you all love Tool, but when you start writing your own stuff do you think you'll go progressive?

Can't WAIT to hear some stuff, maybe you might end up inspiring me to actually learn drums.
The direction were moving is definiatly progressive. The Tool influence is a hard thing to overcome. We actually started over and threw away all the material we had worked on up to date. We finally made the foundation to a song yesterday that is pretty amazing, when its done I'll post it up.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Well, we will be at a point that our jobs will be irrelevant. If and when this happens it will be a life changing process that will take priority over everything. Our main purpose right now is to concrentrate on the music and the ideas were writing about.


The holy mecca of the world. Thats what I would strive for so badly.

[Shadius]

Ken, do you have anything recorded at all that you could post up that I could hear? I missed out before when you posted the Tool recording.

[SonorKen]

Yea, I have tons of stuff but it is all in its infancy. I promise I will post up some stuff when it gets close to completion. The people who come to our studio when we practice all love it, they all can't get over how much Seth sounds like Maynard.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

You know, the 300th page is comng up soon, and you know the best post to celebrate it?

Ken's recording links :D

Im still loving the fact you've found a Maynard.

[SonorKen]

I am off this weekend, the kit is micced up, and I plan to record some tracks and hopefully have them posted up tomm. night. I am probably going to record them with the good ol Roland VS2480 so Im gonna have to break out the owners manual and try to remember how its done haha. One of the guys in Crutch, Seth, is actually excited about the on-line Tool band compelation and offered to do the vocals if you guys want him to. I think you guys will be VERY VERY VERY pleased if he would do them.

[Kurrpt]

looking forward to some music links

[Magicaltroll]

The holy mecca of the world. Thats what I would strive for so badly.
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Thats what I hope to accomplish someday, jsut be in a bnad, and don't even have to worry about jobs...

/wishful and unrealistic thinking

[SonorKen]

^^^ ANYTHING, and I do mean anything is possible. Your only limited by the bonds that you apply to yourself. If you come up with 100 excuses as to why you can't do something then more than likely you are afraid to make the jump. The majority of people are more comfortable remaining secluded and not sticking it out there. For them it is better to have reasons to not try for something than it is to stick it out there and be a public failure.

The main thing I see people use as an excuse is money. I have a way that ANY band can make money but you have to keep your goal in mind while doing it. I can't tell you how many times I have learned a song I despise but keep thinking, "A means to an end", and sucked it up and learned the song.

If you need to make cash to buy equipment or save up money to take the next step in your music career, start up a classic rock band. You need to target the money crowd, people in thier 30's to 50's who are dropping cash. More importantly target the RICH crowd, Doctors, Lawyers, professional types who think nothing of dropping 1500 to 2000 bucks for a show.

People will say it doesnt happen but I promise you it does. Play stuff from The Eagles, 80's pop music like 8675309 to Garth Brooks and songs like Hey Ya, play music that makes people happy and takes them to a place they remember as good times. When these people start having a good time and get liquored up you will be AMAZED at how many will start shoving cash in your face to play a song. It is not un-common for Stagefright to get NICE tips or asked to play a certain song for 20 bucks. Alot of times we will be ending a show at 1am and people will pay us to play another hour or so.

This is a great way to earn money for gear or to save up to quit your job to concentrate on your original music. There is SOOOO much more to this that I have actually considered writing a book on how to make money in todays music market. I have literally only scraped the surface on ways to have a successful band and make some nice cash.

[Westy]

sounds sick sonorken cant wait

[Adam Jones is GOD]

if you fail at the music thing ken, just become a motivational speaker. I've picked up the guitar after reading that.

And off topic (as always). JoZ and Rob will be glad to hear I bought Awake AND Images And Words today. For £11. BARGIN!

[jamesclelland]

Strong rumours are that adam plays through 10 synths or something on that song :confused: yeh, thats what JoZ was getting at

one synth, just uses it as a bunch of distortion pedals, thats where the instant feedback and pick scrapes the come out of no where (can do the feedback obviously but the pick scrapes that aren't pick scrapes are a mystery to me)

[Kurrpt]

if you fail at the music thing ken, just become a motivational speaker. I've picked up the guitar after reading that.

And off topic (as always). JoZ and Rob will be glad to hear I bought Awake AND Images And Words today. For £11. BARGIN!


luckily my dads a bigger fan than me so i got every CD for free :thumb:

not to mention the LTE CDs

[clearvision]

:lol: why is everyones dad so much coooler than mine?

I get drug talks, sex talks :(

And when i mention some music to him it will be 'just noise' or he will be attached to the album and never stop playing it :( Keanes Hopes and fears has been played so many times its not funny :upset:

[Kurrpt]

:lol: why is everyones dad so much coooler than mine?

I get drug talks, sex talks :(

And when i mention some music to him it will be 'just noise' or he will be attached to the album and never stop playing it :( Keanes Hopes and fears has been played so many times its not funny :upset:


yea he deff got me into about all the music i like, minus the TOoL albums and the APC.

[G_Mac07]

And off topic (as always). JoZ and Rob will be glad to hear I bought Awake AND Images And Words today. For £11. BARGIN!

Rob = clearvision right??:confused:
bah, who cares, nice pick up

Anyway, Ken, I'm looking foward to hearing some of Crutch's original material. You seem incrediblely dedicated to your music and as far as I'm concerned, that's one of the best positions a band can be in. Your vocalist should also have a crack at a few of the on-line Tool covers. If he's excited about it, why shouldn't we be the same. :thumb:

[SonorKen]

Thanks guys, I'll talk to him about it, he will be VERY happy. Im trying to get the guys to join the forum. For the most part they feel that the only part of the forum they would connect with would be this part of the forum haha. Anyway, I'll talk to them about joining up.

Some Tool related news, I had 2 different people call me today and say that they heard Tool was recording, any truth to this?

[G_Mac07]

well, Blair has kind of been teasing again. I actually want to hear what comes out of Danny's 'thing' when it happens.

And your bands members would most probably be useful members to this forum. So I don't see why they shouldn't join up. Chances are they will also open themselves up to new styles of music or artists by joining here, as most people who stick with mx for a while seem to do. I have mx to thank for the majority of music I've opened myself up to over the past year.

[Dancin' Man]

New Lateralus review up on Sputnik.

http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?reviewid=2246

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Just read it. Check out my comment for my love of it (better than Bartenders :p)

[Dancin' Man]

I told 'Tender I was planning on doing my own version. He and I both know my reviewing skill now is better than his was then at no fault of his own. It was time for a new review that contrasted a bit. I still said it was great, but also that it is not the greatest. Everyone in this thread should read it.

[SonorKen]

I just read it as well, excellent work. I left a comment also AJIG.

[Darkness]

It was an OK review... I would have to disagree with the replying thing though, as I can pop Lateralus in at any time even know, and still enjoy it to the fullest.

[Rothmans]

I told 'Tender I was planning on doing my own version. He and I both know my reviewing skill now is better than his was then at no fault of his own. It was time for a new review that contrasted a bit. I still said it was great, but also that it is not the greatest. Everyone in this thread should read it.

Excellent review man very professional I liked it a lot.

[Magicaltroll]

^^^ ANYTHING, and I do mean anything is possible. Your only limited by the bonds that you apply to yourself. If you come up with 100 excuses as to why you can't do something then more than likely you are afraid to make the jump. The majority of people are more comfortable remaining secluded and not sticking it out there. For them it is better to have reasons to not try for something than it is to stick it out there and be a public failure.

The main thing I see people use as an excuse is money. I have a way that ANY band can make money but you have to keep your goal in mind while doing it. I can't tell you how many times I have learned a song I despise but keep thinking, "A means to an end", and sucked it up and learned the song.

If you need to make cash to buy equipment or save up money to take the next step in your music career, start up a classic rock band. You need to target the money crowd, people in thier 30's to 50's who are dropping cash. More importantly target the RICH crowd, Doctors, Lawyers, professional types who think nothing of dropping 1500 to 2000 bucks for a show.

People will say it doesnt happen but I promise you it does. Play stuff from The Eagles, 80's pop music like 8675309 to Garth Brooks and songs like Hey Ya, play music that makes people happy and takes them to a place they remember as good times. When these people start having a good time and get liquored up you will be AMAZED at how many will start shoving cash in your face to play a song. It is not un-common for Stagefright to get NICE tips or asked to play a certain song for 20 bucks. Alot of times we will be ending a show at 1am and people will pay us to play another hour or so.

This is a great way to earn money for gear or to save up to quit your job to concentrate on your original music. There is SOOOO much more to this that I have actually considered writing a book on how to make money in todays music market. I have literally only scraped the surface on ways to have a successful band and make some nice cash.

Thanks for that :thumb:
That motivated me alittle bit. I just can't wait till I'm a bit older, when I don't have to worry about rides to band practices (I should be a t practice right now... couldn't get a ride :() and about money and stuff.
Me and the band should be doing some local shows kinda soon we think.

How many songs do you think a band should get down (original I mean) to play some shows? Because as of right now we have about 5 or 6 down, and we were thinking that would be enough to play some shows. But I just wanna get some more input on it, and seeing how all of you pretty much are cool people, and alot are in bands, I thought I'd ask here :)

[Werny]

Some Tool related news, I had 2 different people call me today and say that they heard Tool was recording, any truth to this?

According to Toolband they've been recording since the start of the year, and they've got at least 2 songs recorded (probably more, since the update that said they had gotten another song down was months ago).

And we've got a new logo so... at least we know it's going to be out this year!

*goes back to dreaming if Tool were to tour with Meshuggah and/or Fantomas*

[Magicaltroll]

*goes back to dreaming if Tool were to tour with Meshuggah and/or NIN*
Fix'd
For me anyway :p
And I think its pretty possible that NIN and Tool could go together, because the Tapeworm thing kinda shows that they can be buddies (MJK and Reznor), and both should be touring later on in the year.
I know for a fact that NIN is touring later on in the year. I hope Tool will be also.

[Huber]

I met an awesome old friend today, and we caught up and apparently he plays guitar now. he's such a cool guy. He's moving somewhere else recently and he said he'll find room to jam. I fecking love this guy, even more-so than I did before.

[Magicaltroll]

I met an awesome old friend today, and we caught up and apparently he plays guitar now. he's such a cool guy. He's moving somewhere else recently and he said he'll find room to jam. I fecking love this guy, even more-so than I did before.
You guys gonna start up a band or something do you think? Or are you in one already?

If you're not already, you shold form one.
Band=Fun

[clearvision]

AJIG what did you think of I+W i meant to ask you before but kinda forgot...

/boredom revising :(

[Huber]

You guys gonna start up a band or something do you think? Or are you in one already?

If you're not already, you shold form one.
Band=Fun

I got this curse where everyone I meet are flakes. This guy wont though, I've known him forever.

[Huber]

:lol: why is everyones dad so much coooler than mine?

I get drug talks, sex talks :(

And when i mention some music to him it will be 'just noise' or he will be attached to the album and never stop playing it :( Keanes Hopes and fears has been played so many times its not funny :upset:

My Dad tried to break into my house and steal our valuables and kidnap me. He didn't take the divorce to well, heh.

He does listen to some cool music though...

[Moses]

My stepdad listened to 80's metal like Iron Maiden, Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, and stuff like that. But he also has this affinity with pop music, kinda weird.

[Magicaltroll]

The only thing my stepdad was good for (didn't know my real dad) was his CDs. And he didn't even have that many good ones. Just all the Metallica CDs and some Rush :/

[Moses]

You guys gonna start up a band or something do you think? Or are you in one already?

If you're not already, you shold form one.
Band=Fun
I'm in three bands right now. I sing in one, play guitar in one, and play drums in one. The band that I play drums in are haveing our first practice today.

/is stoked.

[Huber]

My dad loves Pink Floyd, tons of alternative bands, and he doesn't mind my Metallica when were in the car.

[Moses]

The only thing my stepdad was good for (didn't know my real dad) was his CDs. And he didn't even have that many good ones. Just all the Metallica CDs and some Rush :/
Never knew my real dad either, he had schitzophrenia and thought he was a KGB agent when we moved here (Wisconsin) from Lithuania.

[Magicaltroll]

I'm in three bands right now. I sing in one, play guitar in one, and play drums in one. The band that I play drums in are haveing our first practice today.

/is stoked.
We were supposed to practiuce all day today... But then the other guitarist decided Sam Ash is more important :evil:

Sam Ash is a guitar/music store incase you didn't know.

Never knew my real dad either, he had schitzophrenia and thought he was a KGB agent when we moved here (Wisconsin) from Lithuania.
Mine was just an ******* I guess. I heard he was always ****ed up on drugs or something. Its pretty funny when he trys to call me and stuff and win me back :lol:

[Moses]

We were supposed to practiuce all day today... But then the other guitarist decided Sam Ash is more important :evil:

Sam Ash is a guitar/music store incase you didn't know.
Yeah I know.

That sucks, we keep getting flakes in all my bands.

[Huber]

We have one of those. I've always wanted to work their. Seems like a fun job.