Tool

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Metallica wrote Tool songs? As in they wrote songs for them?

If so, I'll shed light on it: it's completely erroneous.

:lol:

Very Well put.

[Moses]

I mean if it was someone like Pink Floyd it would be a little more believeable, but Metallica?

[Huber]

They're totally different genres, it wouldn't make sense.

Okay, the question has been answered, a few more times then needed.

/end Metallica talk

[Moses]

Hey lets all start up an extremely crazy rumor and see if it spreads everywhere. (just got the inspiration because that Metallica thing was definately bull****)

[Huber]

OMFG! I heard Jeff Beck had cooties!

[Moses]

I mean like about Tool, like Danny Carey lost his arm or somthing.

[Kage]

My band gave our demo to Chino of Deftones and of late we haven't suddenly been swept into amazing popularity and rock star status.

[Huber]

Heh, my friend is friends with Chino, too. He also met Adam Jones. I wish I could be him...

/gasps

Truth?

Or is this a rumor to be started?

/mystery movie music

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

My dog inspired Maynard to write Jerk Off.

[Moses]

This was such a good idea.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Heh, my friend is friends with Chino, too. He also met Adam Jones. I wish I could be him...

How do you become freinds with someone famous?

Freak. I don't think I've ever been within in a mile of anyone famous. :upset:

lol Danny Carey lost his arm.

[Huber]

How do you become freinds with someone famous?

Freak. I don't think I've ever been within in a mile of anyone famous. :upset:

lol Danny Carey lost his arm.

He would so pwn the guy from Def Leppard. That guy would be trash almost immediately.

[Huber]

tr00f.

That was the perfect set up for a rumor though, gotta admit.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

:lol: That reminds me. The welding teacher at my school has a son who met like..a million famous rockstars in his first year out of high school. He met Cold, some Tool members, he tours with Linkin Park (lmao not lucky) and a few others. He was also the biggest freaking pothead at my school. :lol:

[Huber]

Like, omigosh! Let's tell everyone!

[IvortheEngineDriver]

My band gave our demo to Chino of Deftones and of late we haven't suddenly been swept into amazing popularity and rock star status.
the guy who did our demo produced Molley Hatchet and Judas Priest...it was bad *** being in his studio. He knew Jimmy Page in 1967 (had a pic with him...I was gushin'). Plus, he worked with Creed, Michael Jackson, bunch of famous people. Nothing to do with Tool really...

Speaking of which...4 Degrees is owning me right now :thumb:

[SonorKen]

We should try the ol MX forums tool cover band. I can play alot of Careys stuff, it sounds like there are several others here that can do the same. Would be kinda neat for everyone to record individually, send it to one person and they mix and master it then well put it up for everyone to check out!

[Kurrpt]

We should try the ol MX forums tool cover band. I can play alot of Careys stuff, it sounds like there are several others here that can do the same. Would be kinda neat for everyone to record individually, send it to one person and they mix and master it then well put it up for everyone to check out!


id deff be down with that. I just got my GNX4 on lock down for playing back MP3s, and recording. I can play most songs, and am willing to learn any others :-)

[Adam Jones is GOD]

We should try the ol MX forums tool cover band. I can play alot of Careys stuff, it sounds like there are several others here that can do the same. Would be kinda neat for everyone to record individually, send it to one person and they mix and master it then well put it up for everyone to check out!

Im certinally planning on oing that using JoZ's bass recordings. Im just waiting on sorting out a mic for myself (not a line in fan), then ill start putting together some tracks using Adobe Audtion.

I think i speak for a lot of the thread though ken by saying we would really, really love some drum recordings for you of some songs. Midi drums just dont feel right to play to.


(and JoZ deserves rep for the amount of work he's put into his recordings at our request :thumb: )

[Kurrpt]

Im certinally planning on oing that using JoZ's bass recordings. Im just waiting on sorting out a mic for myself (not a line in fan), then ill start putting together some tracks using Adobe Audtion.

I think i speak for a lot of the thread though ken by saying we would really, really love some drum recordings for you of some songs. Midi drums just dont feel right to play to.
(and JoZ deserves rep for the amount of work he's put into his recordings at our request :thumb: )
i totally agree.

and drums would be an awesome addition

[SonorKen]

Ok, the majority of Careys songs are amazingly technical. On the later albums, Lateralus, and Aenema, there is alot of drum looping tracks going on in certain areas. In songs like 46&2, in the beginning, I play 2 different electronic sounds independant of the main beat. This is just an example.

In Stinkfist I play the intro using my electronics but at the first major break in the song the pitch of the electronic waves change. As this point I play the waves that are pitched like the beginning.

What are we going to do about vocals? Any ideas there?

[G_Mac07]

Is it Kage who can sing? I know someone can sing in this thread.

[clearvision]

Hmm...

People can attempt the vocals i spose, depending on the range you may get something from me, but it's not likeley....I suggested Kage may have a maynard-esque voice earlier in the thread, but he assures me he doesn't :(.

Could always go and beg sliver, his voice owns, and i think he likes tool.

The best way for this to work would be for JoZ to post his midi's/tell us where he obtained them. Thatway we all know what to play and when, upload Mp3's of diff peoples parts (if there are more bassists and drummers wanting to get in) then you can downlaod and mix by yourself, then upload what you want people to hear... :) ...then all guitarists can have a go and stuff, yeah :)

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I suggest, since we have an abundance of guitarists, we fight to the death to claim the position.

/conceals knife

I do agree that vocals will be the toughest part to find, But it also means that its open to various interpretaitions from those who can sing.

[Kurrpt]

Hmm...

People can attempt the vocals i spose, depending on the range you may get something from me, but it's not likeley....I suggested Kage may have a maynard-esque voice earlier in the thread, but he assures me he doesn't :(.

Could always go and beg sliver, his voice owns, and i think he likes tool.

The best way for this to work would be for JoZ to post his midi's/tell us where he obtained them. Thatway we all know what to play and when, upload Mp3's of diff peoples parts (if there are more bassists and drummers wanting to get in) then you can downlaod and mix by yourself, then upload what you want people to hear... :) ...then all guitarists can have a go and stuff, yeah :)


i do maynard pretty well. I just need to get a good mic, which shouldnt be hard. I would love to sing for my band, but i cant play guitar and sing yet

[Kurrpt]

I suggest, since we have an abundance of guitarists, we fight to the death to claim the position.

/conceals knife

I do agree that vocals will be the toughest part to find, But it also means that its open to various interpretaitions from those who can sing.


i suggest just post, and let people vote on which version they prefer

[clearvision]

Hmm Well i say we get JoZ and Ken to record disposition, no quarter and you lied...Then the two gutiarists with the highest no. of posts in the thread get the positions....Sorry Kage :p /owned....

Anyways it's unfair to only give one guitarist a chance, and it's not really a showing off thing, so it's better to let people pick the parts off a soundlick page or something, and mix it how they want...(I'm also saying this because i can now see myself getting owned severley in the guitar stakes :p) Expect my aenima soon...

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Well yo uall have a head start on me, as I have no method of getting sound from my amp to my cpu at the moment. But i suppose layered guitar parts can be implemented, as well as individual mixing of each guitar part.

I would mix each persons parts in a seperate song, just to see the contrast. It just means JoZ and Ken get their parts played to death.

[Kurrpt]

Hmm Well i say we get JoZ and Ken to record disposition, no quarter and you lied...Then the two gutiarists with the highest no. of posts in the thread get the positions....Sorry Kage :p /owned....

Anyways it's unfair to only give one guitarist a chance, and it's not really a showing off thing, so it's better to let people pick the parts off a soundlick page or something, and mix it how they want...(I'm also saying this because i can now see myself getting owned severley in the guitar stakes :p) Expect my aenima soon...

so ur basing ur decision on superiority instead of talent....hmmmmm

[clearvision]

Yeah, I'm looking into ways of bieng original atm, Sober and aenema are my first songs i will do. I have basicaly alot of second guitar ideas for sober, and I change the solo around a bit in aenima because i have no slide. I just gotta get the end part of aenema down...

[clearvision]

so ur basing ur decision on superiority instead of talent....hmmmmm

so ur failing to see a joke....hmmmmm

+This is MX, we don't look at people with regards to their looks or intelligence, it's all about postcount and Join date.

[Kurrpt]

Yeah, I'm looking into ways of bieng original atm, Sober and aenema are my first songs i will do. I have basicaly alot of second guitar ideas for sober, and I change the solo around a bit in aenima because i have no slide. I just gotta get the end part of aenema down...


so ur saying your idea is not logical, but you're sticking to it...hmmm.... i think we should let JOz decide in that case :thumb:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

To prove what a good job JoZ is doing, I mixed up his bass part with the original for Jerk off

The JoZ featuring Tool - Jerk Off (http://s47.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=17KO95UE4A2X80LGPB8EA9YU57)

And my computer is giving me bad suggestions about how to repay the boy

Bad humour (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/Moogle66/Pervert.jpg)

[clearvision]

Hey hold up a minute.

Me recording 2 guitars for sober has no bearing whatsoever on my earlier joke aimed at Kage.

I was only joking, as i have stated i think everyone deserves a chance, because going on postcount i would be second guitarist in line, and TBH i think i would wreck JoZ and ken's shiz.

I'm just playing about with the tracks JoZ has done already atm...

[clearvision]

AJIG, how do you play the 'Fvuck ron hubbard and fvuck all his clones' part of aenema, I haven't got a whammy pedal (well i probably have somewhere in my FX unit but i haven't a clue on how to find it)...do you just go with the low chords? or the upper octave?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

You referring to the slides from 2nd fret E5 to 10th fret C5? I tend to have the wah active, and I do very small rocks on it. But it sounds ok without, just not like the original.

THere's the part jsut before the chord sliding where I play two nat harms on the 5th fret with wah too, but without the proper pedals, its hard to match the tone. hence why Ænema sounds different fro probably all guitarists.

[The JoZ]

:D

I will try to get Patient and Grudge recorded today, however Lateralus/Schism/Disposition will have to wait, I forgot to bring my effects pedal home :o

[Kurrpt]

You referring to the slides from 2nd fret E5 to 10th fret C5? I tend to have the wah active, and I do very small rocks on it. But it sounds ok without, just not like the original.

THere's the part jsut before the chord sliding where I play two nat harms on the 5th fret with wah too, but without the proper pedals, its hard to match the tone. hence why Ænema sounds different fro probably all guitarists.

whats ur setup bud

[Kurrpt]

:D

I will try to get Patient and Grudge recorded today, however Lateralus/Schism/Disposition will have to wait, I forgot to bring my effects pedal home :o


awesome. Ill try to get mine. Should i go off of the original track for the time allotted, or should i just sync to you?

[clearvision]

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e---------------------------------
b--8-8-8-8-8-8/20-20-20-20-20-20--
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e---------------------------------
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g--4-4-4-4-4-4/16-16-16-16-16-16-- x4
d--2-2-2-2-2-2/14-14-14-14-14-14--
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d--2-2-2-2-2-2/14-14-14-14-14-14--


That part, i don't know which part you are talking about with the C5...The only part i know with a C5 is just after the chorus, where it goes D-D-D-D-D-C-d...E-E-E-E-E-C-d

[Adam Jones is GOD]

whats ur setup bud

Jackson DXMG ---> Morely Classic Wah ----> Jackhammer distortion pedal ---> Marshall MG30DFX.

I did use dto have a delay pedal in that, but it got taken back by someone who had apparently only lent me it for 6 months :rolleyes:

As you can see, im lacking a tone worthy setup. But its great having the jackhammer to give the crappy MG distortion a bit of life. And at least the amp have things like flange and reverb built in, making it possible to play Tool songs

[Adam Jones is GOD]

That part, i don't know which part you are talking about with the C5...The only part i know with a C5 is just after the chorus, where it goes D-D-D-D-D-C-d...E-E-E-E-E-C-d

Ah, my bad. i was playing it in my head more than on my guitar. Yeah, I play that chord progression, but the timing i use is a bit different from Adams. I tend to strum that last chord a few more times, to try and duplicate that whammy effect.

If thats what you were refering to at least.

[clearvision]

Yamaha Pacifica 012 -> Zoom 606 -> Comp line in

Yay for worst setup in thread :)

I can't slide that far accurateley that quickly. I just assumed adam used one of those handy dandy Digitech Whammy thingies. Meh I may actually have to sit and practice this song... :upset: Last song i actually had to sit down and learn was Always with me, always with you by satch for a music practical exam...

[Kurrpt]

Jackson DXMG ---> Morely Classic Wah ----> Jackhammer distortion pedal ---> Marshall MG30DFX.

I did use dto have a delay pedal in that, but it got taken back by someone who had apparently only lent me it for 6 months :rolleyes:

As you can see, im lacking a tone worthy setup. But its great having the jackhammer to give the crappy MG distortion a bit of life. And at least the amp have things like flange and reverb built in, making it possible to play Tool songs


My GNX4 has everything. YOu can dial almost any imaginable tone, but since i not experienced in that department too much, i usely just fudge it really. I guess if i ever play it live, id take the time to get it perfect. Till then, im just gonna use a Dual recto modeler.

[Kurrpt]

your guys setup makes me feel like mine really does kick arse

[clearvision]

What's more is i haven't learned how to dial in my own setups yet...

...which mean i use zoom's presets *shudder*

[Adam Jones is GOD]

your guys setup makes me feel like mine really does kick arse

I guess you earn a fair bit. Or have kind supportive parents/girlfriend(s).

Im going scouting for a new amp this saturday, so I can see what saving target im aiming at

(n00b request of 'what amp should I get' input here)

[Kurrpt]

I guess you earn a fair bit. Or have kind supportive parents/girlfriend(s).

Im going scouting for a new amp this saturday, so I can see what saving target im aiming at

(n00b request of 'what amp should I get' input here)


id assume you want a tube combo. If i were you, id hold out for a mesa mark IV :thumb:

i was gonna get that head for my half stack, realized the GNX4 was 1/3, for a billion extra tones, plus a million features, so i went with that instead.


I have 1700 bucks, and im just sitting on my mound for a while.

/my parents dont give me crap, and my mom wanted to jack my rent up. i told her quote : thats bullsh IT im not givin you anything extra. I dont even sleep here

[clearvision]

Girlfriends that fund guitar equipment? I gotta get myself one of them!

Erm when i was looking at a new amp a while back i was looking at a spider 212 (line 6) or a Laney tube amp. I was gonna have to try e out of course, but never got round to it, realising i have no band and don't play live, so there is no need for an amp.

[The JoZ]

awesome. Ill try to get mine. Should i go off of the original track for the time allotted, or should i just sync to you?

For the most part, I'd say me, because I am almost always a little off, thanks to backing track differences / me not starting right with the music...

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I dont like the Line 6 amps, its not possible to put in unique tones, which I rely on to get Tool sounding tones.
I should really be thinking like you clearvision (no way to shorthand your usertitle dammit). Just an amp with one clean tone would do me.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

For the most part, I'd say me, because I am almost always a little off, thanks to backing track differences / me not starting right with the music...

You were spot on for a few. The others, you're a bit quick, which helps. Sometime I feel slowed down with Tool's tracks, even though they are the original precedent.

[Kurrpt]

Girlfriends that fund guitar equipment? I gotta get myself one of them!

Erm when i was looking at a new amp a while back i was looking at a spider 212 (line 6) or a Laney tube amp. I was gonna have to try e out of course, but never got round to it, realising i have no band and don't play live, so there is no need for an amp.

nah she gave me crap when i got my new schecter last week. I foot all my bills 100%. Im just a good deal finder that will never pay retail. I mean i got a brand new LP classic for 1200. The list at 1850

[Kurrpt]

For the most part, I'd say me, because I am almost always a little off, thanks to backing track differences / me not starting right with the music...

i totally kewl with that. I expected as much, i just wanted to hear it straight from the man

[Kurrpt]

what is a good amp head with a clean channel that rulez. My crate SS is decent, but i want better

[The JoZ]

You were spot on for a few. The others, you're a bit quick, which helps. Sometime I feel slowed down with Tool's tracks, even though they are the original precedent.

Thanks, I try to nail my Tool as closely as possible :cool:

[clearvision]

Meh I don't really know much baout gear. When i become better i suppose i will start wanting better equipment, but i can get what i want out of my setup now really. OF course i do want guitars pedals and amps but I'm not fussed.

How old are you Kurrpt?

[Kurrpt]

Meh I don't really know much baout gear. When i become better i suppose i will start wanting better equipment, but i can get what i want out of my setup now really. OF course i do want guitars pedals and amps but I'm not fussed.

How old are you Kurrpt?

im 22 actually

[jamesclelland]

If you still are doing a mx cover deal, i play guitar (as you all know) the one song i wanted to play live i couldn't, so if i could send ya eulogy, maybe you could use it.

sorry reading post from 3-4 pages back.

[clearvision]

You are welcome to input...

You can play along to JoZ's tracks, or mebbe wait till Ken has some input into the whole shizz...

Upload what ya got to yousendit :)

http://www.yousendit.com

[Kage]

On the cover issue, I can do the vocals, as well as the guitars but it seems that I've already been beat to the chase on that. Vocals may not sound exactly like Maynard or anything like that, but they should be decent.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Someone better upload soemthing other than bass soon, i've had Adobe Audition for a week now and im itching to get good with it. And I cant have that much fun with what i've got

[Kurrpt]

On the cover issue, I can do the vocals, as well as the guitars but it seems that I've already been beat to the chase on that. Vocals may not sound exactly like Maynard or anything like that, but they should be decent.

dude, if you're singing TOoL, you cant have a half arsed attitude. If you gonna do it, do it to death

[Adam Jones is GOD]

dude, if you're singing TOoL, you cant have a half arsed attitude. If you gonna do it, do it to death

Good half time talk. Now send him back out there and lets win this game!

[Kage]

I guess you earn a fair bit. Or have kind supportive parents/girlfriend(s).

Im going scouting for a new amp this saturday, so I can see what saving target im aiming at

(n00b request of 'what amp should I get' input here)

As for amp input, I'd recommend that if you want a tube amp, buy a Mesa/Boogie Dual Rectifier head, and then use your current amp or some crappy cabinet (you can get one pretty cheap) and load it with Vintage 30 speakers, which shouldn't cost any more than $50-100 apiece. Then buy a Tubescreamer (or for a cheaper alternative a Boss DS-1) and get it Mod'd and you'll have a pretty sweet set-up for a relatively low cost.


EDIT: Come to think of it, if you get hte Boogie head, you won't even need the Tubescreamer or the DS-1. Nothing beats Boogie distortion.

/brain lapse

If you don't get a Boogie, I recommend the pedals, though.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

The mesa boogies have always interested me. They look as sweet as they sound.

Just need to start looking this side of the pond for deals as good as you get in the US

[Kurrpt]

the mark Iv is better and way more versatile. they are harder to get for that reason. Anyone says they are cheap are deff getting it used, which is what i wanna do.

Mark IV all the way man. Look at reviews, you'll see. The mark can do the recto sound, plus a billion others. Its weird getting used to the EQ, since its so different than ANY other. well worth the energy. I was gonna get one for like 1200 american. Ive seen the combos go for like 700

[Kage]

Regardless of what Boogie amp you get, if you're not going to utilize its warm distortion there's no reason to even bother. Between the Mark IV and the Rectos, I don't know which I like better, but you can get some good deals on a Dual Recto. Don't even think about buying the standard package with the cab, just get some lame cab and as long as you have it with Vintage 30s, you're good to go.

[clearvision]

Meh I was attempting to record aenima, but i need to print out the tab...and try and get my tone not sucking too badly :lol:

I would do it tonight, but i have a bio test tomorrow and i need to read hitchikers guide to the galaxy before I see the film...you may get it tomorrow if i finish the book...

[Kage]

I'm thinking about recording Stinkfist with vocals. It may happen today or it may not. I'd like to get some real drums on the backing track first, though.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Looking at Mesa prices in the UK is upsetting. A 30 watt one costs £900. And the heads you recommended....ow.

Clearvision, stay up all night and read that book. Then dont spoil the movie for me, itll be monday I get to see it.

[Kage]

Looking at Mesa prices in the UK is upsetting. A 30 watt one costs £900. And the heads you recommended....ow.

Clearvision, stay up all night and read that book. Then dont spoil the movie for me, itll be monday I get to see it.
Ouch...Well, there's always the cheaper alternative: Keep your current amp and hook it up to a bigger, yet not-great cabinet. As long as you put Vintage30s in the cabinet and buy a Tubescreamer or a DS-1 (or any other distortion pedal that fits your taste), you'd have a decent rig.

[Futuro]

2 words ROAD KING

[Kage]

Yeah, like that'll be any less expensive.

[clearvision]

:lol: i started reading this crappy version we have, it's like a book of the film. But then someone said it might not have all the parts that should be there so i sent mum in search of a proper verison. 'Cause i wanna be the person that sits in the cinema and shouts 'they missed this bit!' yeah :cool:. Whoever im with is gonna have to put up with that.
I found the other two books in the trilogy in the loft. Result. Just gotta get round to reading them all...

I don't know if I'll definateley go saturday, but i should go at some point this weekend. I't better be good, 'cause i may be up fro a while tomorrow reading it...

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Ouch...Well, there's always the cheaper alternative: Keep your current amp and hook it up to a bigger, yet not-great cabinet. As long as you put Vintage30s in the cabinet and buy a Tubescreamer or a DS-1 (or any other distortion pedal that fits your taste), you'd have a decent rig.

This has been catching my eye recently

http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/options.php?id=271

Im searching the UK sites I use for Vintage 30s, yet no finds :confused:

[Kage]

This has been catching my eye recently

http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/options.php?id=271

Im searching the UK sites I use for Vintage 30s, yet no finds :confused:
Marshalls are good, although their quality has declined. It's my opinion that they are inferior to Boogie in every way, but if you don't plan on using a clean tone very much, then Marshalls usually will be just fine. Now, if I'm not mistaken, that is the one that is not a true tube amp, but instead has a tube pre-amp?

It all depends on what your preferences are, really. If you combined that with a cheap cab that had Vintage 30s (which should be relatively easy to find, although I have no idea about that in the UK :confused: ) and a really good distortion pedal, then that would be a good setup. It would be really good if you could buy a rack multi-effects unit (can't remember the name, but they go for about $2800 US, so...).

[Kage]

Jesus, I just looked at some of the Boogie stuff on that site, and compared to that, the Marshalls are dirt cheap. If you're trying to conserve money, then what you're looking at would be a pretty nice alternative, I'd say.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Gah, I get so confused when around amps. I alwaays set out saying 'I just need clean, I can get distortion from pedals', then I find 1000s of amps I like that are crap for clean.

Marshalls or Line 6 are the two amps that are always in my music stores. Then the mesas will be in the back, with the extra zeros on the price tags.

[Rothmans]

Gah, I get so confused when around amps. I alwaays set out saying 'I just need clean, I can get distortion from pedals', then I find 1000s of amps I like that are crap for clean.

Marshalls or Line 6 are the two amps that are always in my music stores. Then the mesas will be in the back, with the extra zeros on the price tags.

Are they really that expensive?

IM hopefully getting a new amp soon I have got money from work and my birthday.

[Kage]

Gah, I get so confused when around amps. I alwaays set out saying 'I just need clean, I can get distortion from pedals', then I find 1000s of amps I like that are crap for clean.

Marshalls or Line 6 are the two amps that are always in my music stores. Then the mesas will be in the back, with the extra zeros on the price tags.
:lol:

I think a Marshall will be perfectly satisfactory for cleans, with what you're looking at, actually. When I played on Marhsalls, it was the combos that sounded like crap on clean. The sound was flat and uncharacteristic, and very thin-feeling...no warmth at all. However, on the half-stacks, there was a significantly bigger sound which was nice. I don't recommend getting a half-stack, though. Get the head, but then use a nice cheap cabinet like I've already said.

Wattage isn't a big deal either. I'd say as long as you're over 50 watts, that's all you'll ever need. A really good Mod'd distortion pedal will also take you far with a Marshall.

[clearvision]

Check out the Marshall AVT's AJIG...

I don't know what is so sucky about your MGDFX...

My amp is a 10 watt aria thingy, it cost as much as it's wattage...

[Rothmans]

Check out the Marshall AVT's AJIG...

I don't know what is so sucky about your MGDFX...

My amp is a 10 watt aria thingy, it cost as much as it's wattage...

I was thinking about looking up the AVT's myself but I still dont know

(sorry to bump into the conversation)

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Check out the Marshall AVT's AJIG...

I don't know what is so sucky about your MGDFX...

My amp is a 10 watt aria thingy, it cost as much as it's wattage...

Problems with my MG

1) The clean is ugly. Lifeless, too bassy even when i fiddle with the settings

2) It has too many techincal problems. The distortion cuts out randomly after 4 months of owning it.

3) The built in effects are basic, and have no pedal to activate them

4) The clean volume is 1/8 of the overdrive volume. meaning cutting in to each sound is not smooth at all.

5) The overdrive sounds horrible and is inconsistent with its settings. (i had two different tones from the same pre set once)

6) It gave me an electric shock once. Though that might be the plugs fault


http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/options.php?id=268 This one sounds beautiful.

[clearvision]

Yup, if you try it, and it satisfies all of your problems just go for it really (providing you are wealthy like Kurrpt)

/Jelous :p

[Darkness]

Yeah your guys' setups still own mine, no matter what you say... I got:

A b.c rich guitar (can't find what its called on the site, and it was a gift and I acutually really like it, its not all spiky and stuff like there other ones its got a strat shaped body and has a cool sound), an RP100 multi effects pedal, which I don't use and plan on selling soon and buying either a delay pedal or a wah. And I just use the amps distortion channel with my footswitch...

[Kage]

What amp?

[Darkness]

Oh forgot to say lol, its a Peavey Studio Pro 112. 65 Watts.

[Rothmans]

I have a kinda ****e setup myself I have a epiphone gibson sg (only good thing) mg100dfx amp and a boss me-50.

[clearvision]

Mine is still the worst :p

It's not a BC-Rich Bi!ch is it? They are cool...

[Darkness]

I really have no idea what model or anything it is, (I know its kinda sad) but I've looked all over their site and I can't find it on there anywhere.

[siva_chair]

My setup is ok I guess, except the amp. I have a small Crate GLX15 amp as well as a GNX3 (which I really like, even though I haven't mastered the thing yet).

I do like my guitars though. I have an Epiphone Les Paul Studio and an Epiphone double neck 12/6 SG.

I gotta get ahold of a MIDI cable and port so I can download the GNX tones off of the digitech site.

[Magicaltroll]

My setup is ok I guess, except the amp. I have a small Crate GLX15 amp as well as a GNX3 (which I really like, even though I haven't mastered the thing yet).

I do like my guitars though. I have an Epiphone Les Paul Studio and an Epiphone double neck 12/6 SG.

I gotta get ahold of a MIDI cable and port so I can download the GNX tones off of the digitech site.
A double neck!? Thats awesome man!
I'd die for an SG, I love those things so much, let alone a double neck :p

[Magicaltroll]

And my setup is a Vox AD50DV (Not that into it because it cant take loud volumes :\ but it sounds great at lower volumes) and a Ibanez "Destroyer" and a Boss Metalzone pedal.

I need a new guitar though... bad. It's falling apart.

[siva_chair]

A double neck!? Thats awesome man!
I'd die for an SG, I love those things so much, let alone a double neck :p


It is very badass. Its an Epiphone, but almost everyone who has played one says it plays almost identically to the Gibson double-neck. Try musiciansfriend.com if you are interested. I got mine on sale.

[Magicaltroll]

It is very badass. Its an Epiphone, but almost everyone who has played one says it plays almost identically to the Gibson double-neck. Try musiciansfriend.com if you are interested. I got mine on sale.
Nah, I can't afford one right now.
But an SG has been like my dream guitar haha. And Epiphone and Gibson aren't THAT different from what I've played.

[Darkness]

I'd wish I had a double neck.... how much did yours cost? (silva_chair)

[siva_chair]

I'd wish I had a double neck.... how much did yours cost? (silva_chair)

Right around $800. Then I had to fork over another $120 for a **** case for it though.

I would say it is definitely worth it though.

[Darkness]

Cool... thanks.

[siva_chair]

Cool... thanks.

No prob.

P.S. I can't wait to hear this MX cover band. We have some very talented musicians on here and it could be very kickass. I just wish I was one of the talented ones.....

[Darkness]

^ lol Me to... I kinda suck at guitar but I'm definatly getting better... and my tone isn't Tool like at all (****...) otherwise I'd post up some of my stuff...

[siva_chair]

^ lol Me to... I kinda suck at guitar but I'm definatly getting better... and my tone isn't Tool like at all (****...) otherwise I'd post up some of my stuff...


I'd post some stuff if I had the **** MIDI cable I need. I'm not exactly sure what MIDI cable and port I need for my GNX3 though. Anyone on here have any idea?

[Darkness]

I don't... sorry.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

/has Digitech RP200 and 10 dollar computer mic

I'll record some Tool this weekend. I built this tone with my processor that sounds exactly like Jones on a lot of songs.


Instead of getting a MIDI cable, just get a mic like mine at Wal Mart. You'll probably get the same amount of quality as you would with the MIDI cable, unless you have some kind of upgraded sound card. My mic works beautifully. :D

[G_Mac07]

Problems with my MG

1) The clean is ugly. Lifeless, too bassy even when i fiddle with the settings

2) It has too many techincal problems. The distortion cuts out randomly after 4 months of owning it.

3) The built in effects are basic,

4) The clean volume is 1/8 of the overdrive volume. meaning cutting in to each sound is not smooth at all.


It's here that I will tell people never to get an MG. I had these same problems with my MG50DFX. Problem number 2 became so bad after 7 months I had to return it under warranty.

[siva_chair]

/has Digitech RP200 and 10 dollar computer mic

I'll record some Tool this weekend. I built this tone with my processor that sounds exactly like Jones on a lot of songs.


Instead of getting a MIDI cable, just get a mic like mine at Wal Mart. You'll probably get the same amount of quality as you would with the MIDI cable, unless you have some kind of upgraded sound card. My mic works beautifully. :D

Well, part of the reason I need a MIDI cable is so I can download all the tones from the digitech website on to my GNX3.

[clearvision]

I use line in...

Line in > mic

[Kurrpt]

what parameters do u use on ur RP200. I have the GNX4

[siva_chair]

what parameters do u use on ur RP200. I have the GNX4


Is the GNX4 really worth the extra 200 bucks as compared to the GNX3? I haven't been able to mess around with a GNX4 so I am curious as to what the major upgrades from the GNX3 are.

[The JoZ]

I use line in...

Line in > mic

Depends on what you're doing.

If you have a good soundcard, I think I'd agree.

But if you don't, I disagree :p

[SonorKen]

I'm thinking about recording Stinkfist with vocals. It may happen today or it may not. I'd like to get some real drums on the backing track first, though.
Hey man, hook up with me on chat and send me what you have, I'll record the drums tracks and send them to you to layer.

[clearvision]

Depends on what you're doing.

If you have a good soundcard, I think I'd agree.

But if you don't, I disagree :p

it all ends up in the soundcard anyway..

So line in cuts out backing noise...

Aenima is pissing me off, my hand dies after all the hammering :(

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Its annoying playing Ænema when a non guitarist around. They accuse me ove waving to then when im doing the muted hammer on/pull of part.

[clearvision]

:lol: Is it just a straight rythm throughout that part from the intro to the chorus? On the tabs it says it doesn't change, but i hear a change, may just be the beass/mixing though....

My hand loathes me for that part :(

[The JoZ]

Here's a bump...

I don't have an exam Monday, so I will be knocking out some Tool this weekend. Oh yeah :cool:

[Darkness]

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet...

/has Digitech RP200

I always get either a large amount of feedback (that hurts my ears like a bitch) or a really digital sound that is always either really loud or quiet... have you experienced and overcome any of these problems? mind you I have an RP100... but still.

[siva_chair]

Here's a bump...

I don't have an exam Monday, so I will be knocking out some Tool this weekend. Oh yeah :cool:

/is looking forward to this.

[Darkness]

Wheres all the toolers... I sure could go for a late night Tool talk...

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet...



I always get either a large amount of feedback (that hurts my ears like a bitch) or a really digital sound that is always either really loud or quiet... have you experienced and overcome any of these problems? mind you I have an RP100... but still.
Actually none whatsoever...:cool: So far, I am very happy with my purchase. I really like the fact that there are very few features that are similiar to other features. I mean, each different effect is unlike the next. Does the 100 come with a pedal?

[Darkness]

No... I wish it did though, but then it would be pretty much the exact same as the 200. The 80 has a pedal though. Oh and mines an RP 100 Artist.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

what parameters do u use on ur RP200. I have the GNX4

What do you mean? I'd tell you, but what exactly do you mean by parameters

dumb is me :D

EDIT: I don't really use the pedal anyways. The reason I upgraded to the 200 was for the pedal, and I don't really use it that much. I really like the built in tuner though. It's quick and easy.

[Darkness]

Thats probably my favorite feature. I kinda bought it for the wah but after that I remembered you need the pedal to do it right... I was kinda mad...

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

:lol:

Yeah. Tom Morello is the best unofficial salesman ever. I wouldn't have ever wanted to buy it if it hadn't been for his playing.

random, but true.

I also find the built in tones to be great. I can switch from a chorus tone to a solo tone in 1 second.

[Darkness]

Yeah, Morello is the reason I got into effects lol...

Yeah some of the tones I like alot, but the distortions, no matter how much I mess with the settings (I've tried everything), I still get a really... unemotional...digital sound coming out of it which I really hate compared to my amps distortion which has alot of feel and sounds 10x better. But I like having the chorus/flange/tremelo/built in tuner/all kinds of delay/drum machine and all that stuff... but theres just to many glitches that turns me off of it and makes me push it aside and just go straight into the amp.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Distortion+delay=my typical heavy tone

The drum machine sucks though. :-/

Anyways, what do you people use for acheiving Jones' tone?

[SonorKen]

Ok, so who all is involved with this MX project? Who is doing what? Who is coordinating everything?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

this MX project=what?

:-/

Glad to see you posting here, Ken. :)

[Darkness]

The online tribute band thing.

[BlindWriting]

If I had Garageband, I would love to find out how to hook up my digital drum set and play some Tool songs. That would be sweet, I'd love to be able to contribute to this.

[SonorKen]

oh sorry, the on-line Tool cover band thing. I offered to put down some of the drum tracks and was curious who is organizing it. I'll need to mic in my kit when the time comes and all my mics are packed up. Lemme know a lil in advance so I can get it completly hooked up.

[Darkness]

I know the Joz and Adam jones is god is involved in this... your ganna have to wait tell their online....

[The JoZ]

Ken, I have already done several bass tracks, and AJIG is supposed to do some guitaring, I believe. Dunno who's doing vocals.

[SonorKen]

Ok cool, we doing Stinkfist first? If so I'll get my mics and mic my kit. Im game for about any Tool song with the exception of some of Careys monster pieces like The Grudge and Ticks and Leeches. I could get through them but nothing that I would be proud of.

We should probably do it like this. I'll put the drum tracks down, send them to you, you put the bass line on it then send it to AJIG. Then well get the VOX in it.

Where do you think would be a good part of the forum to find someone to sing?

[Darkness]

I believe Kage was going to sing.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Right here, Ken. I think Kage mentioned putting vox to Stinkfist. I'll find a quote.

never mind. He did say it though.

[The JoZ]

Ok cool, we doing Stinkfist first? If so I'll get my mics and mic my kit. Im game for about any Tool song with the exception of some of Careys monster pieces like The Grudge and Ticks and Leeches. I could get through them but nothing that I would be proud of.

We should probably do it like this. I'll put the drum tracks down, send them to you, you put the bass line on it then send it to AJIG. Then well get the VOX in it.

Where do you think would be a good part of the forum to find someone to sing?

Stinkfist can be done first, I do believe. It's relatively easy...

It's a shame you can't do The Grudge, cause that would be super cool :p

How are you going to do this?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I know this might be looking ahead a little too far, but after Stinkfist sometime, do any of you lesser talented Toolophiles want to record a shorter/simpler Tool song? (I know Stinkfist is relatively short, but it's a fairly long song for me) Something maybe like Hush or Part of Me would be perfect. I could do something longer, but I probably couldn't do it with as much success as I would like. :D

Just keep this on the back burner for now though, guys.

I still would like some input though

EDIT: Ken, you have AIM, right? Add me, plz-DrJakeDestructo is my name. Anyone else, feel free to add me as well. :)

NP: Part of Me

[SonorKen]

hahaha I could do The Grudge but to be totally honest I don't have the time to put into the song when I have so much other drum work to do.

I was planning on recording the song on my Roland VS-1680 then email or send it via chat to you.

[jensmatty]

What does DC play for the intro of the Grudge? is it something like this?


|-----oo---|
|-oo-----oo|
|----------|
|oo-oo--oo-|
|o--o-o--o-| first then:

|-----oo---|
|-oo-----oo|
|-------oo-|
|oo-oo-----|
|o--o-o--o-|
Or something like that? im not sure... that's what I hear.

[clearvision]

Hmm the best way to work this thing is for ken and JoZ to decide what song to do and record...then post what you have, then guitarists and vocalists can have a go. Because just letting one or two guitarists take a song is a bit unfair i think :) Teh aim of the project should be to give people the feleing of playing tool songs in a band, and not just an oppurtunity for people to show us how good they are at guitar, as this is not the guitar forum :)

[jensmatty]

It'd be good if we could also get tracks of all the songs as backing tracks for all the instruments too... so there's the same song, just a copy without drums, bass, guitar, vocals, etc. I could do with some tool backing tracks :)

[Moses]

hahaha I could do The Grudge but to be totally honest I don't have the time to put into the song when I have so much other drum work to do.

I was planning on recording the song on my Roland VS-1680 then email or send it via chat to you.
46&2 w/ the solo.

[The JoZ]

It sounded like Ken was going to do Stinkfist first...

Let me know.

Are you going to play along with the song, or do it from memory, or what?

[Rothmans]

It sounded like Ken was going to do Stinkfist first...

Let me know.

Are you going to play along with the song, or do it from memory, or what?

So Joz when will you have the next song up?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Since the idea of the online Tool tribute band has taken off, why don't I start a soundclick account? That seems like a good idea to me. All of your guys' ideas are great.

So far on the list, we have Stinkfist, and then I'd like to do Part of Me. If you guys want to do another song, just mention it, and I'll add it to my mental list. :thumb:

JoZ-do you already have Stinkfist recorded? You made it sound like you had some stuff already down. If so, what do you have so far?

[The JoZ]

1) I do have Stinkfist done already, but might re-record it. I might re-record anything after Ken does it, I'm not sure yet

2) I will have some more Tool up sometime today, I don't know when, or what, however. It still won't be Schism or Lateralus, cause I keep forgetting to bring my pedal home :upset:

[Rothmans]

If your doing lateralus do you know how to do the end zoomy bit?

[The JoZ]

I really don't know how, actually. I am going to have to mess with it a bit.

[Rothmans]

Ah I would say your able for that and thanks so much for those other backing tracks they were very handy for everything.

[SonorKen]

46&2 w/ the solo.
thats no big deal, 46&2, Aenema, and Stinkfist are all regular songs we play in live shows.

I'll start miccin the kit today.

[The JoZ]

Are you going to play along with these songs Ken? Or record from memory? Or what?

[SonorKen]

I can do both. I know them by heart. I may play along to the cd just to make sure that they are accurate because when we play live we change a few minor things at times.

Whichever way Im sure you won't have any problems putting the tracks over it.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Ok, so who all is involved with this MX project? Who is doing what? Who is coordinating everything?

Im quite happy to mix together people's tracks before I can get recording capabilities of my own.

(although i found THE amp today, this may increase in soon-ness factor).

Ken may just be ranking up with JoZ as personal hero.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

AJIG-So, currently can't record? If not, then should we have a different guitarist record Stinkfist, or would you like to still do it? How soon will it be until you'll be able to record?

[Kage]

Im quite happy to mix together people's tracks before I can get recording capabilities of my own.

(although i found THE amp today, this may increase in soon-ness factor).

Ken may just be ranking up with JoZ as personal hero.
Out of curiosity, what did THE amp turn out to be?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

AJIG-So, currently can't record? If not, then should we have a different guitarist record Stinkfist, or would you like to still do it? How soon will it be until you'll be able to record?

Ill like to have a go personally at some point in any case, so dont worry about song permissions. As long as Ken makes his drum tracks available to us all then im fine with it.

(although may need some non midi drum ones from JoZ, god im demanding)

http://www.guitarampkeyboard.com/options.php?id=268 is the amp n question, perfect for my growing needs, and I got a demonstartion which was sweet. Though the price at my store is a bit more than that.

And recording time could be anytime, with a seriously ****ty mic and crappy tone. But a proper job, a while yet. So dont worry about reserving a place for me.

[jamesclelland]

Distortion+delay=my typical heavy tone

The drum machine sucks though. :-/

Anyways, what do you people use for acheiving Jones' tone?


I use a flashback fuzz box for a somewhat vintage sound (some people say he uses fuzz)
Delay
Flange
wah
and finally, a LP classic through a bass amp on high gain with my wannabe vintage pedal board
I keep the bass and treble about equal at 5 and he uses only his bridge pickup, which ever model that maybe. i use the neck pickup as a kill switch which helps with cutting in and out of feedback and from heavy riffage to beautiful silence.

[Pubehead]

any of you guys like the mars volta? they are my favourite, but tool come very close. Lateralus is a masterpiece!

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I think what I'll do is upload each seperate track to the soundclick I made for this project. (Or have someone mix together the drum, bass, and vox tracks) I am seeing a greater number of guitarists that want to do this, but it seems like Ken is the only drummer, JoZ is the only bassist, and Kage is the only vocalist.

Kage- I got AIM. DrJakeDestructo. Add me. :)

/AIM whoring

[SonorKen]

Don't worry about the drum tracks, they will be available to you all. I will post up a link with them.

There are some concerns of mine, when I play this live I play the electronic drum intro to it but in the middle I play a cross between the same electronic sounds and the acoustic drums. I can't isolate the actual electronic drum tones that Carey uses in this part. I'll record it and see if you guys think it will be OK. This is the way I play it with Crutch.

If not then well work on trying to isolate those electronic sounds and editing them out. I can do it, it would just take quite a bit of time to get it done.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Im not fussed on quality at first. im jsut looking for natural drums to play to, instead of midi. JoZ's bass lines have made it more fun, but there are some drum cues that I rely on when playing some songs.

[Dude3]

any of you guys like the mars volta? they are my favourite, but tool come very close. Lateralus is a masterpiece!
I'm thinking of getting De-loused in the Comatorium.

[TheFunDrummer]

they are also one of my favorite bands. I own all of their albums.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

For those of you recording-What program do you record through? I assume that you're recording into your computer, so what do you guys do? I use Goldwave. It's similair to Cool Edit Pro, but it's smaller, and probably of lesser quality. :(

[Kage]

For those of you recording-What program do you record through? I assume that you're recording into your computer, so what do you guys do? I use Goldwave. It's similair to Cool Edit Pro, but it's smaller, and probably of lesser quality. :(
I used to use Goldwave, but I used a crappy mic and the quality was terrible. Nowadays, I usually use Garageband whenever my friend's willing to bring over his mac computer. Otherwise, you can use a program called Cakewalk Home Studio that's pretty good.

So...on the tracks are we just going to all use Ken's drum tracks, and we each record our parts and we'll see whose sounds the best or what? Like I've said, I can do guitars and most likely vocals.

[clearvision]

You can have votes on whose is best if you want....should probably let JoZ and Ken lay down backing then just do what ya want over the top...unless any other drummers/bassists want a go...

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

For sure, you're doing vox, right? From what I can tell, you're the only Toolophile that can sing. : - / As for the guitar parts, I think that Ken and JoZ are going to upload their tracks. (and your vox, if that is the plan) Then, AJIG is going to mix em together, and upload them for us guitarists to record over. Or, it could work out like this: Ken uploads his, then you and JoZ work off that, then AJIG mixes em, and it's the same from there. I really don't know right now. If I could get all of you guys on at the same time, and start an AIM chat or something, that would be great. My AIM is up about 5 or so posts. Just add me so we can work out the logistics.

Clearvision- I looked into finding some more bassists/drummers, but I failed. I asked Med, and he said that he neither had the recording capabilities or the ability to play most of Carey's tracks. I would really like to find some more drummers/bassits/vocalists so that JoZ, Ken, and Kage aren't obligated to do every song.

[Magicaltroll]

For sure, you're doing vox, right? From what I can tell, you're the only Toolophile that can sing. : - / As for the guitar parts, I think that Ken and JoZ are going to upload their tracks. (and your vox, if that is the plan) Then, AJIG is going to mix em together, and upload them for us guitarists to record over. Or, it could work out like this: Ken uploads his, then you and JoZ work off that, then AJIG mixes em, and it's the same from there. I really don't know right now. If I could get all of you guys on at the same time, and start an AIM chat or something, that would be great. My AIM is up about 5 or so posts. Just add me so we can work out the logistics.

Clearvision- I looked into finding some more bassists/drummers, but I failed. I asked Med, and he said that he neither had the recording capabilities or the ability to play most of Carey's tracks. I would really like to find some more drummers/bassits/vocalists so that JoZ, Ken, and Kage aren't obligated to do every song.
Well... I COULD do bass parts, but which songs are you doing agian? And I would have to borrow my friends bass, which isn't really a problem.
I play bass pretty decent I guess, its kinda what I started out on.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Well, The JoZ is already doing Stinkfist, and I am kind of pushing for Part of Me next. It shouldn't be too hard

Add me, we'll talk in further detail spiralout7@gmail.com is my msn DrJakeDestructo is my AIM.

[freaks_refuge]

I could attempt some bass parts in a week or so when I get my bass back from being repaired.
I'm not sure I'm good enough for any of this stuff however. And the quality might be rather crap.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I think for now, The JoZ is going to be the full time bassist. At least for the time being.

[SonorKen]

I will do the majority of the songs. If another drummer wants to jump in thats fine with me. As far as what programs I use I don't. I will be using an actual studio interface to record mine, then I'll burn it to a cd and send it to Joz.

We should all have a chat and see what everyone thinks.
Also, Im in the process of puttin together some of my bands covers of Tool songs. The recording is horrible as it is an open mic going into a 6 track cassette recorder, but you'll get the idea. I'll try to have that up within 2 hours.

[Darkness]

Cool Ken.. I'd like to hear that.

[Rothmans]

Well I can put a few guitar tracks down tomorrow I have a smiliar tone to adams and I have a boss me - 50 which is handy its jut that I need a good mic but dont put my word on it.

If anyone is botherd with me doing it just name songs and I can put it down.

[stoner dude]

Can anyone recommend me some bands that are similar to Tool, or bands that people who like Tool generally also like?

[Darkness]

Opeth.

[stoner dude]

Oh yeah, forgot to mention that i already know about opeth, isis and Dead Soul Tribe...
But thanks anyway.

[Rothmans]

Oh yeah, forgot to mention that i already know about opeth, isis and Dead Soul Tribe...
But thanks anyway.

Well king crimson would be good and porcupine tree (I guess)

another good band would be neurosis, people think they have similarities.

[ThePatient]

If there's any songs the Joz doesn't want to do on bass, I can probably fill in. My recording capabilities aren't that great, but I've never put a ton of effort into doing it, so who knows. I haven't seen anyone mention H., and I would love to do that song if anyone is interested.

[stoner dude]

Thanks.

What's the best King Crimson stuff to start with?

[Rothmans]

Thanks.

What's the best King Crimson stuff to start with?

Well my favourite album and easiest to get into is In the court of the crimson king great album

Songs off it:

21st schizoid man, epitaph and in teh court of the crimson king I would upload them but I have to go to bed now so sorry.

[Huber]

That sounded pretty awesome. I could barely hear the vocals sometimes when I really could tell he was doing an amazing job, but I'm sure it was due to the face you only had one microphone. I must say, the drums were the best part ;)

[G_Mac07]

Very cool Ken :cool:

nice to actually hear your band as well.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Wow, your singer sounds exactly like Maynard.

That was awesome!

[Huber]

Yeah you definetly found the right guy for vocals.

[SonorKen]

Yea, when I was auditioning singers and this guy showed up, I was excited. He is a PHENOMINAL singer, Im lucky to have him.

[Darkness]

That was really good ken, keep that up and you guys will be amazing.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

On another note, I have a new appreciation for Jimmy. I think the song is great lyrically, and thus the music just seems to be better.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Very cool Ken :cool:

nice to actually hear your band as well.

Did I miss something? :confused:

:upset:

[jensmatty]

Did I miss something? :confused:

:upset:

yea me too...

[Shadius]

I was hoping he'd post it up here? \:

[G_Mac07]

Did I miss something? :confused:

:upset:

Ok, my bad, i think :confused:

I always thought Ken's band was called StageFright or something, due to their website, but then he said he recorded that stuff with Crutch. I figured it must have been a new band he was working with. Anyway, I think it was me who missed something.

EDIT: I now see his removed his post... I'm lost here :upset:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I was all excited about getting some audio from ken, then seeing everyone saying how good what they heard was, i searched for a link. I assumed it was edited out, but now im even more confused.

Edit: ^^ so there was a link then?

[G_Mac07]

There was, for some reason Ken has removed it.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Oh. That sucks. Wonder why he removed it? He can trust us, as its not like anyone else in the forum reads this thread that doesnt post.

[G_Mac07]

This thread moves a lot faster nowadays, I actually find it hard to keep up now, and therefore post less. Perhaps that's what he was thinking, or else he may want to re-record it, as the kick drum couldn't be heard.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

It has taken off recently I agree. Which is ironic as its the slowest period for Tool updates.

If he took it down due to bad quality, that's understandable. Still, I wanted to hear it :(

[G_Mac07]

It was a progression from Stinkfist to Aenema to 46&2, which lasted about 3 minutes. It was recorded using a microphone in the center of a room, which didn't make for the best of quality, although it was still good to hear.

[SonorKen]

I removed the link because I wasnt very happy with the recording quality. The music is dead on, the recording is horrible. Im moving all of my mics and stuff to my home studio to work on the drum tracks for the MX cover band. Crutch will be meeting again this week and well record the stuff with actual mics and mix it down with effects.

Stagefright is my cover band, we play everything from Santana to Tool to BB King, NickleBack, 3 Door Down, The Eagles, to Garth Brooks and Mo-town R&B. I love playing with these guys as they are phenominal musicians and expose me to alot of different varietys of music.

Crutch was born out of my musical evolution. I came to a point in my life where I had so much music that I have been working on and ideas and thoughts that I need to get out. This is the first time in my career that I felt like I have a valid point to create this and decided to go for it. I auditioned a ton of people and found the best of the best. We are really spread out because of this, one of the guys travels 2 hours one way for practice. Were all in this for the same reason, the music. Were not doing this for the money at all. Crutch is a refreshing band for me, I can take my aggressions or put my emotions into my playing and the guys are so in tune with each other than they can pick up on whatever I am doing and put thier own influence on it. I do the same for them.
Crutch had ALOT of tragedy happen when we first came together, which is how we derived at the name. We formed up, solidified the line up, and began to kinda feel each other out, spend time together, jam, and discuss the writing process. We built the studio together and began to come together as friends and became parts of each others families. Soon after this happened my lead singers brother, 22 years old, was killed in a car wreck. Crutch was put on hold and everyone came together in support for Seth. We were with him pretty much day and night as he went through the mess. He used us as his crutch to get through it.

About 2 weeks after Seths brother was killed we were in the process of writing and actually putting our first song together. Seth was still a mess and we were all taking care of him when I get the most horrible phone call EVER. Maynard, my guitar player, called to tell me that his dad had just shot himself in the head and was being transported to a hospital close to my house. Again, we all pulled together for him, Seth included, and supported him in any way we could. 3 long grueling days later Maynards father died. In the weeks that followed Maynard fell back on us to try to make sense of the situation. We spent countless hours conversing and debating all of the happenings. Once again, this un-named project, became a crutch for another member. He threw himself into the music and expressed his feelings.

The time came for a name and it was a pretty easy decision, Crutch. We feel that everyone at some time in thier life needs a crutch and the music we are writing will hopefully provoke thought or fill a hole that someone needs.

Just thought I would give ya some back ground on it, sorry to ramble on!

[siva_chair]

I removed the link because I wasnt very happy with the recording quality. The music is dead on, the recording is horrible. Im moving all of my mics and stuff to my home studio to work on the drum tracks for the MX cover band. Crutch will be meeting again this week and well record the stuff with actual mics and mix it down with effects.

Stagefright is my cover band, we play everything from Santana to Tool to BB King, NickleBack, 3 Door Down, The Eagles, to Garth Brooks and Mo-town R&B. I love playing with these guys as they are phenominal musicians and expose me to alot of different varietys of music.

Crutch was born out of my musical evolution. I came to a point in my life where I had so much music that I have been working on and ideas and thoughts that I need to get out. This is the first time in my career that I felt like I have a valid point to create this and decided to go for it. I auditioned a ton of people and found the best of the best. We are really spread out because of this, one of the guys travels 2 hours one way for practice. Were all in this for the same reason, the music. Were not doing this for the money at all. Crutch is a refreshing band for me, I can take my aggressions or put my emotions into my playing and the guys are so in tune with each other than they can pick up on whatever I am doing and put thier own influence on it. I do the same for them.
Crutch had ALOT of tragedy happen when we first came together, which is how we derived at the name. We formed up, solidified the line up, and began to kinda feel each other out, spend time together, jam, and discuss the writing process. We built the studio together and began to come together as friends and became parts of each others families. Soon after this happened my lead singers brother, 22 years old, was killed in a car wreck. Crutch was put on hold and everyone came together in support for Seth. We were with him pretty much day and night as he went through the mess. He used us as his crutch to get through it.

About 2 weeks after Seths brother was killed we were in the process of writing and actually putting our first song together. Seth was still a mess and we were all taking care of him when I get the most horrible phone call EVER. Maynard, my guitar player, called to tell me that his dad had just shot himself in the head and was being transported to a hospital close to my house. Again, we all pulled together for him, Seth included, and supported him in any way we could. 3 long grueling days later Maynards father died. In the weeks that followed Maynard fell back on us to try to make sense of the situation. We spent countless hours conversing and debating all of the happenings. Once again, this un-named project, became a crutch for another member. He threw himself into the music and expressed his feelings.

The time came for a name and it was a pretty easy decision, Crutch. We feel that everyone at some time in thier life needs a crutch and the music we are writing will hopefully provoke thought or fill a hole that someone needs.

Just thought I would give ya some back ground on it, sorry to ramble on!

Sorry about all the tragedy. I heard the link before you took it off, and you guys sound excellent, even with the poor recording quality.

[SonorKen]

Thanks man, I appreciatte it. I really think this band has the potential to go somewhere. I think we are writing about topics that intrest alot of people. Our biggest problem, believe it or not, is were all too heavily influenced by Tool. EVERYTHING we create sounds like Tool. Were bringing in some other musicians to jam with us that have other influences so we can get away from this.

[siva_chair]

Thanks man, I appreciatte it. I really think this band has the potential to go somewhere. I think we are writing about topics that intrest alot of people. Our biggest problem, believe it or not, is were all too heavily influenced by Tool. EVERYTHING we create sounds like Tool. Were bringing in some other musicians to jam with us that have other influences so we can get away from this.

Yeah, I can see how that could be a problem. I hope when I start organizing a band I can get some people with broad musical influences. My biggest influences on guitar are Tool (obviously), Smashing Pumpkins, and Led Zeppelin, so I hope I can get some people with some other musical influences as to not sound too much like any of those bands.

Best of luck to you guys.

(Hell, I'd buy an album of yours)

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Thanks man, I appreciatte it. I really think this band has the potential to go somewhere. I think we are writing about topics that intrest alot of people. Our biggest problem, believe it or not, is were all too heavily influenced by Tool. EVERYTHING we create sounds like Tool. Were bringing in some other musicians to jam with us that have other influences so we can get away from this.

I remember that was one of the first problems I had (and still have) when writing music, I couldnt avoid turning it into a Tool sounding song.

Thats a pretty deep story behind your band. Usually the best music possible comes from pain and setback, which is something no one should have to rely on.

And I understnad if you didnt want a poor quality recording up. I can be Patient for a better one, so no rush.

[clearvision]

:upset:...missed the link :(

[G_Mac07]

AJIG, (and the Joz), would you mind if I took your Tool FA and posted it with my Tool folder on my college network. Of course, it will be correctly referenced and credit will be given where due. :)

[Adam Jones is GOD]

You have my permission. I cant see JoZ objecting, but wait for his word.

And im flattered btw. I was proud of that joint work.

[clearvision]

Was a great FA...

[G_Mac07]

I was proud of that joint work.

I don't see why you wouldn't be. It was quite well done.

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

Are there any other CD's from other bands that sound like Opiate? Also what Genre would you classify it as.

[Darkness]

Agressive Rock?

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Thanks man, I appreciatte it. I really think this band has the potential to go somewhere. I think we are writing about topics that intrest alot of people. Our biggest problem, believe it or not, is were all too heavily influenced by Tool. EVERYTHING we create sounds like Tool. Were bringing in some other musicians to jam with us that have other influences so we can get away from this.


I liked your last sentence. That's awesome that you guys sound a lot like Tool, but to be a real success you'll need to create your own sound. I don't know how famous you guys are now, but from what I heard, you guys could hit it big time.

[Huber]

Ken definetly inspired me to call a few people. I need more people to jam with that aren't flakes. I'd love to be able to play Tool tunes with other people and stuff

[clearvision]

Are there any other CD's from other bands that sound like Opiate? Also what Genre would you classify it as.

Agressive rock is about right...Chevelle - Point #1

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

About 15 minutes ago, I tried recording the guitar part for Part of Me. Man...it turned out baaad. My playing was spot on for the most part, but my sound quality really bites. I recorded it too loud, so there was tons of feed back on the recording.(Not from my amp) Overall, it sucked.

I'd upload it for a good laugh, but I'd rather save my pride.

Anyways, I wanted to ask for some help on getting better quality. I use Goldwave to record, and there are plenty of editing effects, but should I be looking for a better program? If so, then what program should I get? If it's not Goldwave, then how can I make my mic work better? It usually doesn't suck, but previously I've only recorded with my acoustic or clean tones, no gain.

Help!

[Darkness]

Uh... Don't play so loud? I use Audacity but I sometimes get static if I play to loudly so I just turn down the volume of the mic.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

:lol: Sorry, I didn't clarify. The volume wasn't the only problem. It was the main problem. I played with my amp on a quieter setting, but it was still a very low quality when I played back what I had recorded.

Should I place my mic in a different spot? Right now, I have it directly on the speaker. :confused:

[Kage]

I would move the mic aroudn and experiment with that...but basically a PC Mic + Goldwave =\= good quality. Trust me, I used that for years.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I know. :-/ So then what?

I am willing to change the Goldwave part, but I'm gonna be keeping my PC mic for a while. I don't have money to purchase a higher quality mic at the moment. :-/

[Magicaltroll]

I removed the link because I wasnt very happy with the recording quality. The music is dead on, the recording is horrible. Im moving all of my mics and stuff to my home studio to work on the drum tracks for the MX cover band. Crutch will be meeting again this week and well record the stuff with actual mics and mix it down with effects.

Stagefright is my cover band, we play everything from Santana to Tool to BB King, NickleBack, 3 Door Down, The Eagles, to Garth Brooks and Mo-town R&B. I love playing with these guys as they are phenominal musicians and expose me to alot of different varietys of music.

Crutch was born out of my musical evolution. I came to a point in my life where I had so much music that I have been working on and ideas and thoughts that I need to get out. This is the first time in my career that I felt like I have a valid point to create this and decided to go for it. I auditioned a ton of people and found the best of the best. We are really spread out because of this, one of the guys travels 2 hours one way for practice. Were all in this for the same reason, the music. Were not doing this for the money at all. Crutch is a refreshing band for me, I can take my aggressions or put my emotions into my playing and the guys are so in tune with each other than they can pick up on whatever I am doing and put thier own influence on it. I do the same for them.
Crutch had ALOT of tragedy happen when we first came together, which is how we derived at the name. We formed up, solidified the line up, and began to kinda feel each other out, spend time together, jam, and discuss the writing process. We built the studio together and began to come together as friends and became parts of each others families. Soon after this happened my lead singers brother, 22 years old, was killed in a car wreck. Crutch was put on hold and everyone came together in support for Seth. We were with him pretty much day and night as he went through the mess. He used us as his crutch to get through it.

About 2 weeks after Seths brother was killed we were in the process of writing and actually putting our first song together. Seth was still a mess and we were all taking care of him when I get the most horrible phone call EVER. Maynard, my guitar player, called to tell me that his dad had just shot himself in the head and was being transported to a hospital close to my house. Again, we all pulled together for him, Seth included, and supported him in any way we could. 3 long grueling days later Maynards father died. In the weeks that followed Maynard fell back on us to try to make sense of the situation. We spent countless hours conversing and debating all of the happenings. Once again, this un-named project, became a crutch for another member. He threw himself into the music and expressed his feelings.

The time came for a name and it was a pretty easy decision, Crutch. We feel that everyone at some time in thier life needs a crutch and the music we are writing will hopefully provoke thought or fill a hole that someone needs.

Just thought I would give ya some back ground on it, sorry to ramble on!

Man, that sucks.
But you guys sound like you would be really good. It'd be awesome if you posted some songs :D I know you probably won't though...

[SonorKen]

Sup Tool heads. Thought Id update people on the drum tracks. I am working on some electronic drum sounds for the middle part of the song, I think the first major break. Im basically having to create them. Im still trying to isolate the actual electronic drum tones but the music is layered so much I can't really get it.

HOPEFULLY, I'll have the tracks ready wednesday.

[Kage]

I know. :-/ So then what?

I am willing to change the Goldwave part, but I'm gonna be keeping my PC mic for a while. I don't have money to purchase a higher quality mic at the moment. :-/
Umm... if you're willing to fork over slightly over $100, you could get Cakewalk Home Studio, which is supposed to be a good program.


Then again, you could always spend $500 for a Mac Mini, use your current keyboard + mouse (that is, if they are USB), and you could keep your Windows computer and just have the Mac for recording purposes. Because Garageband pwns. It's so easy to use, and the quality is fantastic. You can get near professional quality if you know how to tweak the sounds and are willing to spend time on it. But even if you don't, you get great quality by just plugging and playing. It's really easy.

Then there's a Pod XT, but I don't really know anything about that.

[SonorKen]

Well, I plan to post some of Crutch's actual originals up. Were in the process of starting over. All the work we have done to date is being erased because we don't like the direction we were going in. So, were back at step 1 in the infancy stage!

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

My friend has a POD, and I don't really like the idea of em. If I had 100 bucks, I'd buy a better mic. If I had 500 bucks I'd buy a new guitar and a better mic.

However, is Garageband not compatible with windows, or why do you need the mac mini?

[Kage]

My friend has a POD, and I don't really like the idea of em. If I had 100 bucks, I'd buy a better mic. If I had 500 bucks I'd buy a new guitar and a better mic.

However, is Garageband not compatible with windows, or why do you need the mac mini?
Garageband is for Macs only. Trust me, Garageband is so good, it's unreal. It's so freaking easy to use and you can get great quality recordings with it really easily. Like I said, even if you don't experiment at all, you can plug in, use their pre-set effects, pop drums and MIDI bass on, and it will still sound great.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Why the hell would anyone make a Mac only program? wtf?

How does it work though? Go on, please. :)

[Kage]

Why the hell would anyone make a Mac only program? wtf?

How does it work though? Go on, please. :)
Well, it's pretty basic, I suppose. You can get a ton of tracks on there. You create a track, use a line-in for your guitar. You can create your own effects/distortions or use theirs (which sound pretty good) and record. They have a ton of drum loops you can use, or you can record your own with MIDI or maybe even real drums, but that requires an expensive mic setup to not sound like crap. Bass can be done line-in or MIDI.

You know, you could probably get Cakewalk illegally if you really tried. I got ProTools illegally, but that's only Mac.

*Disclaimer* I don't use a Mac, my friend uses Macs it and that's where I record, although sometimes he brings his computer over to my house and we record here.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Jom didn't mind when I asked for Fruity Loops in the YSI request thread. I bet it's a hugearse file though..:-/

What do any of you guys know about Cool Edit Pro? I hear it's fairly ok..

[clearvision]

Cool edit does the job fine, I have an example of something i recorded yesterday, to give you an example of the quality. I use line in straight from my FX pedal, this emans no background noise, I get what i would get out of headphones if i was plugged into the FX pedal...

Computer mic's are pretty sh!te, you can kinda get a good sound off them if you turn the amp down low and have the mic about 10cm away from the amp. Only problem with micing is you hear all you'r pick scrapes int he background.... So line in >>>>>>>>>mic :cool:

My version of fruityloops was only like 40 meg :eek:

[Spiritofmosa]

are apc songs written by mynard?