Tool

[ThePatient]

This is probably a very big request, but I would really appreciate if someone could upload Salival, minus Third Eye and Push it live, and No Quarter. I have those three, but I would like the rest of Salival, if you could. :D I would heart you forever.
I'm starting it now. Not sure if it'll work though, YSI has been gay in the past.

[Otherside]

Satch's Strange and Beautiful Music is my favorite instrumental cd of all time. But that's just me.

[ThePatient]

http://s45.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2CSK6N8X8WRXT21S0HUZTJLWXI

Salival, minus Push!t, Third Eye, and No Quarter.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I learned the solo from Parabola right now(it's badarse and simple) but the powertab I learned it from has the harmonics all messed up. Could someone tab out, or point me in the direction of a correct tab of the ending? Thanks.

[The JoZ]

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g----11-12----------11-12--------11-11-------------------
d--9-------12-11--9-------12-11--------11b12--7~~-////---
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That should work, it sounds good to me.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

haha, i can do that solo in my sleep. it sounds cool though, i must admit.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I know. It took me about 5 minutes to get down everything. (Minus the end, obviously)

Thx JoZ

[BlindWriting]

What did everyone think about his latest album, "Is There Love in Space?" I thought it was pretty good, especially the title track.
Up In Flames is a great track. Satch is a very technically skilled guitarist.

And Tool's No Quarter cover rocked.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Yes, their cover is great. It's defintely better than Zeppelin's.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

It completely ruins the whole atmosphere of the original.

[BlindWriting]

Yes, their cover is great. It's defintely better than Zeppelin's.
Of course I have you to thank. :D
I must have listened to it ten times the day you YSI'd it.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

No, it doesn't. It's 10x more powerful than Zeppelin's.

Blind: haha that's right. I forgot I sent that to you. Well. cheers. :chug:

blasphemy!

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

It is not blasphemy. For I am right, and you are teh incorrect.

Don't make me smite you.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Again, I LOVE Led Zep. But I thought that the original version of No Quarter was quite mediocre.

[The JoZ]

It is not blasphemy. For I am right, and you are teh incorrect.

You are indeed teh correct.

Tool's Version >> Zep's version.

[Magicaltroll]

Tool's Version >> Zep's version.
Couldn't agree more.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Couldn't agree less.

Maynard's vocals sound like crap at times in the song. The original has this aura to it that creates the mystical atmosphere. The Tool version tries to turn it into a very heavy song but it isnt supposed to be. The original has a piano solo to it! It's a mellow song that's very layered musically. There's nothing of the sorts in the Tool version.

[Darkness]

Theres an acoustic guitar in tools, and Maynards vocals sound great in it... very cool style he used... plus I believe the tool one is longer. :D

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Theres an acoustic guitar in tools, and Maynards vocals sound great in it... very cool style he used... plus I believe the tool one is longer. :D

ITT, it's all about size. :cool:

[jamesclelland]

zeppelins version isn't bad. i really really like tool's version though. question though, there are two guitars in one part, does maynard play the acoustic?
tools is about 5 minutes longer. btw.

[Huber]

I'm assuming Adam did both, but I know nothing about that stuff.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

So, I decided I'm going to do a cover of the Gaping Lotus Expirience.

:cool:

[Huber]

|o--o--o---------o--o--o--o-----|

I'm recording my drum solo for the MXDP sometime within the next few days. I'm using the above thing as the basis for it. It's Ticks and Leeches influenced.

[SeAmoNKeY]

I'm assuming Adam did both, but I know nothing about that stuff.

If i remember correctly it was King Buzzo of the Melvins who played a second guitar for that one

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

http://s45.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2CSK6N8X8WRXT21S0HUZTJLWXI

Salival, minus Push!t, Third Eye, and No Quarter.

Hehe. Thanks a lot man.

The bad news:I started downloading it, and it got to 75%, and then all the sudden. ERROR!!!

me=SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

The good news: I just clicked on the link again, and it the download picked up where it left off. Lucky me.

[Rounder]

Couldn't agree less.

Maynard's vocals sound like crap at times in the song. The original has this aura to it that creates the mystical atmosphere. The Tool version tries to turn it into a very heavy song but it isnt supposed to be. The original has a piano solo to it! It's a mellow song that's very layered musically. There's nothing of the sorts in the Tool version.

That's funny..the way you described the original is how I would have described the Tool version. Mystical atmosphere, very Layered. And its basically mellow by Tool standards up until the end jam. No camparision between the Tool and original version. Tool wins hands down IMHO.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Patient-You somehow ZIP'd LAMC and Maynard's Dick together. It's all one song. wtf?

[BassInvader]

That's funny..the way you described the original is how I would have described the Tool version. Mystical atmosphere, very Layered. And its basically mellow by Tool standards up until the end jam. No camparision between the Tool and original version. Tool wins hands down IMHO.


123, I'll admit that Led Zeppelin is an amazing band, but no quarter is probably my least favorite song of theirs in terms of performance. It sounds to me that whoever produced this track weighted Plants voice too heavily against the instruments in order to make up for his weak voice on this song. Page's solo is probably the only thing that Zeppelin did a better job on(the solo in the tool version is much much much easier, but still drives the point home just as effectively), but the song pacing sounds almost nervous, i like the way tool slowed it down just a bit.
p.s. CAREY>>>>>Bonham

[SonorKen]

As many of you know I have put together a band with some of the best musicians I could find. It is coincidence that we are all huge Tool fans and what I would call, "Thinkers". On the topic of Maynards voice, today I was working on some of the stuff we had worked on in practice and we had played a few Tool songs in practice to kind of warm up and get into our mindsets. I was listening to them as a co-worker walked by and he mentioned about how much he loved Tool.

So, I say, "Thats not Tool." and told him that it was the new band that I formed. He couldn't believe it. I had known that when I first auditioned this guy for my band I was forming that he was good, and at the time I couldn't believe what an amazing singer he was, and how many Maynard esque qualities he had. As I re-played the tapes and listened to the similarities I kind of shocked myself when I realized that he did sound, and more importantly, sing the Tool covers as Maynard does. It kinda freaked me out.

I am in the act of creating a web site for the new band and this thursday we are planning to spend some time and record these covers, as well as a few of the originials we have already wrote, to put them on our site. I think you will all be amazed at how much this guy sounds like Maynard.

I am sooooo excited about this. I have been putting all my effort into this project which is why I havent been on MX as much as I used to. I have one more month of working a hectic schedule and then my time will free up some and I'll be posting in here much more. I'll post up a link to the web site with the Tool covers hopefully within this week.

[Vandle]

Awesome Ken, Can't wait.

[Spiritofmosa]

hmm is maynard in two different bands?

[Vandle]

Yes...well was..not sure Whats happening with "A Perfect Circle" now though. Heard it was a 3 Album contract/deal thing...then again cant believe everything you read.

[SonorKen]

I believe they fulfilled thier 3 record contract with Emotive.

[Werny]

As many of you know I have put together a band with some of the best musicians I could find. It is coincidence that we are all huge Tool fans and what I would call, "Thinkers". On the topic of Maynards voice, today I was working on some of the stuff we had worked on in practice and we had played a few Tool songs in practice to kind of warm up and get into our mindsets. I was listening to them as a co-worker walked by and he mentioned about how much he loved Tool.

So, I say, "Thats not Tool." and told him that it was the new band that I formed. He couldn't believe it. I had known that when I first auditioned this guy for my band I was forming that he was good, and at the time I couldn't believe what an amazing singer he was, and how many Maynard esque qualities he had. As I re-played the tapes and listened to the similarities I kind of shocked myself when I realized that he did sound, and more importantly, sing the Tool covers as Maynard does. It kinda freaked me out.

I am in the act of creating a web site for the new band and this thursday we are planning to spend some time and record these covers, as well as a few of the originials we have already wrote, to put them on our site. I think you will all be amazed at how much this guy sounds like Maynard.

I am sooooo excited about this. I have been putting all my effort into this project which is why I havent been on MX as much as I used to. I have one more month of working a hectic schedule and then my time will free up some and I'll be posting in here much more. I'll post up a link to the web site with the Tool covers hopefully within this week.

Legendary. As much as I love covers, I'm anxious to hear your original material, you sound very excited about it!

I'm listening to You Lied (the cover from Salival right now)... there is two guitars in this song. It's not layered, because it's live. Buzz?

Does anyone else think You Lied is one of the best things Tool have recorded? I do, I think the bass, vocals, chorus riff and overall atmosphere create this mood that surpasses the rest of the Salival album (except maybe Merkaba). I love how Danny chooses to sit back during the song and let the guitar and bass show off.

[The JoZ]

Legendary. As much as I love covers, I'm anxious to hear your original material, you sound very excited about it!

I'm listening to You Lied (the cover from Salival right now)... there is two guitars in this song. It's not layered, because it's live. Buzz?

Does anyone else think You Lied is one of the best things Tool have recorded? I do, I think the bass, vocals, chorus riff and overall atmosphere create this mood that surpasses the rest of the Salival album (except maybe Merkaba). I love how Danny chooses to sit back during the song and let the guitar and bass show off.

Buzz is indeed playing 2nd guitar in this song.

And although it's a cover, it is a great, great song.

[freaks_refuge]

As many of you know I have put together a band with some of the best musicians I could find. It is coincidence that we are all huge Tool fans and what I would call, "Thinkers". On the topic of Maynards voice, today I was working on some of the stuff we had worked on in practice and we had played a few Tool songs in practice to kind of warm up and get into our mindsets. I was listening to them as a co-worker walked by and he mentioned about how much he loved Tool.

So, I say, "Thats not Tool." and told him that it was the new band that I formed. He couldn't believe it. I had known that when I first auditioned this guy for my band I was forming that he was good, and at the time I couldn't believe what an amazing singer he was, and how many Maynard esque qualities he had. As I re-played the tapes and listened to the similarities I kind of shocked myself when I realized that he did sound, and more importantly, sing the Tool covers as Maynard does. It kinda freaked me out.

I am in the act of creating a web site for the new band and this thursday we are planning to spend some time and record these covers, as well as a few of the originials we have already wrote, to put them on our site. I think you will all be amazed at how much this guy sounds like Maynard.

I am sooooo excited about this. I have been putting all my effort into this project which is why I havent been on MX as much as I used to. I have one more month of working a hectic schedule and then my time will free up some and I'll be posting in here much more. I'll post up a link to the web site with the Tool covers hopefully within this week.

That does sound ace, however be careful of not actually sounding too much like Tool (yes there is such a thing). One of the best things about Tool is that they are so original. Try and maintain your own originality and not become Tool-clones. That is the worst possible thing any fan of theirs could do.
Other than that. Rock on my friend and have a cigar on me :smoke:

[freaks_refuge]

Don't make me smite you.

I also prefer Tools version. Smote away.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

Fine, God has beseeched me to smite all of you with the might of Goliath. You have pissed me off. Prepare to die.

[freaks_refuge]

/prepared

[Otherside]

Fine, God has beseeched me to smite all of you with the might of Goliath. You have pissed me off. Prepare to die.


... Even Led Zeppelin fans admit that Tool's version is better. It's not that great of a song.

[siva_chair]

Meh, I think Tool's version = Zeppelin's version.

But that is just me.....

[freaks_refuge]

Meh, I think Tool's version = Zeppelin's version.

But that is just me.....

Eh?
They aren't exactly the same.....so I'm guessing you mean Tool's versions better. And even if you don't it is you nuurrrhhh :P

[Shadius]

Eh?
They aren't exactly the same.....so I'm guessing you mean Tool's versions better. And even if you don't it is you nuurrrhhh :P

Unless he likes them both equally.

[clearvision]

Yo ken! If you have any spare time would you mind laying down some drums to JoZ's bass tracks? I know your very busy as i haven't seen you much around hear, but it would be soo cool if you could contribute to these tracks. Im sure JoZ can send you his bass track - the midi drums :)

Tools no quarter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zeps no quarter

And the Guitarist question has already beenanswered :)

Now we wait for AJIG to come online and say that I+W is great.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

... Even Led Zeppelin fans admit that Tool's version is better. It's not that great of a song.

Who are these so called Zeppelin fans, for I shall smite thee also.

[siva_chair]

Unless he likes them both equally.

1234

:thumb:

[joemarsh]

there both good but i just think tool "toolified" the song by giving it the awesome tom groove at the end. but i have to say jimmy paige way over adam jones.

[freaks_refuge]

but i have to say jimmy paige way over adam jones.
I'd disagree, strongly. Adam Jones is a brilliant, creative, original musician, as well as an artist and video director etc. Jimmy Paige is just the biggest thief ever of black music.

[clearvision]

What a legend! My favourite n00b.

"Jimmy Paige is just the biggest thief ever of black music."

:lol:

[The JoZ]

If rep was enabled, I'd give it to Mr Refuge up there :thumb:

[freaks_refuge]

What a legend! My favourite n00b.

"Jimmy Paige is just the biggest thief ever of black music."

:lol:

Erm 1st of all, I'm not a n00b at all, I've been using these boards quite a while. Secondly, it's very well documented how Jimmy Page stole old blues songs/riffs and credited them to himself. He also constantly re-hashed his own riffs and solos to re-use them. There is much evidence to support this. Dont just call me a n00b before getting your facts together. Twat

Typical MXer/Tool fan. Better than everyone else on the planet without question.

[Futuro]

i agree with joemarsh i love tools work but his guitar playing is nothing special if danny carey wasnt in the band they couldnt survive off adam jones playing guitar.

the only thing i hear that would be hard in his solo's would be pinch harmonics.

i love adam jones's work but the fact of the matter is that jimmy paige is flat out more creative even if that involves stealing theres only so much stuff you can do with a guitar.(kind of hypocrasy)

in 30 years there will be another aenima riff the vocals will probably be political too.

[freaks_refuge]

I dont think you have to stick stupidly hard solos into songs to be 'special' or 'creative'. I think he does much more with the guitar than Paige ever could. And because he doesnt put shredding solos in his songs doesnt mean he cant do them. I've heard that he can (I'm not saying it was a fact, I'm saying thats what I've heard). I think, like Maynards vocals, Adams guitar-work is quite subdued yet still brilliant. Maynards vocals being subdued because he doesnt have much of a range compared to a lot of singers but I think he beats out the competition with how he uses it.
But whatever, disagree if you wish, you've made your point, i'm making mine. Thats what make these conversations more interesting than page after page of 'Tool r liek so awesome coz dey r teh sex' and 'Omg I cant wayt 4 da nu Tool album 2 cum out'

[Adam Jones is GOD]

But whatever, disagree if you wish, you've made your point, i'm making mine. Thats what make these conversations more interesting than page after page of 'Tool r liek so awesome coz dey r teh sex' and 'Omg I cant wayt 4 da nu Tool album 2 cum out'

If i used 123, I would be using it now

Get yourself an original avatar so its easier for me to identify your posts in the future. You seem to have some valid points of discussion

[freaks_refuge]

If i used 123, I would be using it now

Get yourself an original avatar so its easier for me to identify your posts in the future. You seem to have some valid points of discussion

Funny you put that. I've been looking for one for the past hour, but for some reason this message board won't let me upload any, or perhaps thats just my computer. (much more likely option).
Thy bidding will be done however master :rolleyes:

EDIT: Done!! :chug:

[Syncratic]

^Dude, you're kickin'...can't help with the avatar thing thoguh...and it's spelled 'Page'....but hey, whateva'

[clearvision]

:lol: sorry man i read your join date as april 2005 for some reason...And the reason i said you were a legend is you stated the facts abotu paige. it wasn't simply praising you for being contraversial :confused:

AJIG did you listen it I+W yet?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

:lol: sorry man i read your join date as april 2005 for some reason...And the reason i said you were a legend is you stated the facts abotu paige. it wasn't simply praising you for being contraversial :confused:

AJIG did you listen it I+W yet?

Just. You're both right. Its so un-heavy (english me good), yet brilliant at the same time. Its always good when I can remember sections i liked after a first listen.

Ill put it on my MP3 player tommorrow, as im out most of the day. It'll give me a better idea of it

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I'm seeing a lot of "Paige." The name correctly spelled is "Page."

On Adam Jones, his playing is SUPPOSED to be restrained. Like we've already established, he CAN shred. But who cares? Tool's music sounds better when he doesn't shred and we all seem to love the sound of his guitar.

[Rothmans]

I'm seeing a lot of "Paige." The name correctly spelled is "Page."

On Adam Jones, his playing is SUPPOSED to be restrained. Like we've already established, he CAN shred. But who cares? Tool's music sounds better when he doesn't shred and we all seem to love the sound of his guitar.

Does it matter if Adam can shred?

I would rather hear a nice solo then a shred solo (I do like shredding though)

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Band member > Guitarist

If that makes sense to you all in the situation of Adam

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Oh, well he does have nice solos. Some include the end of Third Eye and Parabola.

[Rothmans]

Oh, well he does have nice solos. Some include the end of Third Eye and Parabola.

I rather the first solo in third eye I think it is well better than the second one.

[Kage]

Band member > Guitarist

If that makes sense to you all in the situation of Adam

Makes sense, but I somewhat disagree. I love Adam's playing and to whoever said he was less creative than Page: you're a complete fool.

Of course, Adam works on more levels than just his guitar playing, but people seem to knock the latter just because it isn't as complex as the actual songs are, or as complex/challengning as the drum parts. Tool comes together in complex ways and make original music. The technicality of the guitar parts has no bearing on how the music really is.

Besides, Adam's sound is somewhat sloppy (as with most Rock guitarists), but it really gives it a good feel. His playing is original and has a lot of feel to it among the imperfection.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Just to elaborate a bit, I was referring that a gutarist who fits in with the band and can sink into the background/join in and harmonise well with a band is better than one who constantly needs to be in the foreground. Hence why I like his style.

His solos seamlessly fit in with any song, and its hard to point out 'the solo part' in most songs, unlike with most guitarists who need the ful attention when soloing.

[freaks_refuge]

I agree with everything positive said about Adam on this page so far.
Apologies Clearvision for lashing out at you. And I put Paige not knowing the real spelling for sure, I thought it was Page but I was commenting in response to the person saying Page was better and if you check back I believe he spelt it Paige. I thought 'well I won't doubt him due to him actually being a fan" I forgot that fans can still be quite ignorant of their supposed heroes.

[Darkness]

Theres been an update on toolband... something about a bunch of people includeing mabye Danny playing at some club.

[Kage]

Just to elaborate a bit, I was referring that a gutarist who fits in with the band and can sink into the background/join in and harmonise well with a band is better than one who constantly needs to be in the foreground. Hence why I like his style.

His solos seamlessly fit in with any song, and its hard to point out 'the solo part' in most songs, unlike with most guitarists who need the ful attention when soloing.
Then we're saying the same thing ;) You just said it more clearly and concisely than I did. That is a good observation, it's hard to point out the 'solo parts' because they're basically just parts of the song that happen to be solos, if that makes any sense.

He's still one of my favorite guitarists. The solo part of Reflection (one of the easier ones to pick out) near the end is one of my favorite guitar solos ever, especially when it's done and he goes to the normal riff and the rest of the band crashes in. *Eargasm*

[clearvision]

no worries refuge...

I wish blair would post something worthwhile... *shakes fist*

i agree about the ability to blend being a real strong point, but then again adam always has his chance to shine, Aenima solo, Third eye solo (when he messes about on the 19th fret, then busts into that quality lick)...yeah

/is off to listen to salival

//night thread

[Kage]

There are parts where he stands out (like the Reflection part I just talked about), but in a good way. Other times he just blends into the song.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Theres been an update on toolband... something about a bunch of people includeing mabye Danny playing at some club.

A local jam session. One that I would kill to be a part of. Especially if the the big guy himself turned up.

Anyone from LA here?

[freaks_refuge]

I would rape my own grandma if it meant being a part of that but I honestly dont think I'm a good enough musician. I'm not one of those pesimistic 'Yeah I suck' musicians who can really play 50 notes a second, I just know my limits.

[Darkness]

I would rape my own grandma if it meant being a part of that

I wouldn't...

[freaks_refuge]

I wouldn't...

I wouldnt blame you for not, my grandmother aint the greatest looking of the oldies out there.....

[Huber]

A local jam session. One that I would kill to be a part of. Especially if the the big guy himself turned up.

Anyone from LA here?

I live about an hour from LA, I'm gunna check this out if I can.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

I'd sure as hell rape his grandma for it...

[Huber]

****it, whyd on't they give me more notice than the day of. I might go check out the next one if I can.

BTW Satchforever:

Your name inspired me to get a Satriani album. I love it. Awesome stuff :teh thumb:

[jamesclelland]

a ways back, someone was offering a no quarter live video? i tried to download it, and my link had expired. please help me if possible.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

yeah, post it here cuz i'd love to see a live version. i loved the song.

[YouGottaBeCrazy]

BTW Satchforever:

Your name inspired me to get a Satriani album. I love it. Awesome stuff :teh thumb:

Nice. Which album did you get?

[freaks_refuge]

/hopes someone posts no quarter video and the link is still working tomorrowas I'm off to bed

Good night everybody

/goes off to bed

[Kage]

I'll upload No Quarter if I still have it on my computer

EDIT: Nope, Can't find it. I must have streamed it or something. Sorry about that.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

The Patient-I doubt you'll see this, but you forgot to ZIP "You Lied" into the Salival file you sent me. Luckily, madey is hawt enough to upload it for me, so now I'm just waiting for it to finish. :D

[Moses]

Dark day for tool guitarists, why?

Because most of MX pay too much attention to who plays the fastest and don't wanna stop to appreciated adam's genius? (Assumes you are talking about adam not making the next round of the guitarist comp)
See, Adam is more of a composition genius than a guitarist. He knows what chords can go into what chords and what key changes to switch to create a mood.

Thats why I can understand him not going to the next round. His genius doesn't lie in his guitarplaying it lies in his mind/songwriting/composing.

Haven't been on in a while just reading through old posts because I'm bored.

[Kage]

^^I agree.

[Moses]

^^I agree.
Is it just me or do we agree alot?

[BlindWriting]

Goddamn you, Blair.

[Huber]

Nice. Which album did you get?

Flying In A Dream and The Extremist

[Moses]

Goddamn you, Blair.
Hey, it's not Blairs fault Tool doesn't say anything.

[Huber]

See, Adam is more of a composition genius than a guitarist. He knows what chords can go into what chords and what key changes to switch to create a mood.

Thats why I can understand him not going to the next round. His genius doesn't lie in his guitarplaying it lies in his mind/songwriting/composing.

Haven't been on in a while just reading through old posts because I'm bored.

I've been voting in those polls not only on guitar skill, because that'd be unfair. I don't know who is technicaly better because I don't play guitar or don't know the theory behind it. I was trying to vote Adam through because I think he's a original, and a real cool person. Same for Schuldiner. I was really rootin' for those guys.

[Moses]

Well my point was that he would probably go farther in a composition contest.


Didn't expect him to go that far in a guitarist contest.

[BlindWriting]

Hey, I know we were discussion Dream Theater a while back, but could someone upload the song "This Dying Soul" from Train of Thought? It would be very appreciated.

[Moses]

I'm listening to Dream Theater right now, Home. I'll probably put The Glass Prison on in a minute.

And is it just me or is a trend to say "All John Petrucci does is shred, he's got no soul". Sure he might have a couple solos that are a bit wanky but I find alot of emotion and GODLY composition in most of his solos, not to mention in all of Dream Theater. I mean composition on the scales of Mozart and Haydn, not Beethoven or Chopin genius by anymeans, but still godly IMO.

[BlindWriting]

I'm listening to Dream Theater right now, Home. I'll probably put The Glass Prison on in a minute.

And is it just me or is becoming a trend to say "All John Petrucci does is shred, he's got no soul". Sure he might have a couple solos that are a bit wanky but I find alot of emotion and GODLY composition in most of his solos, not to mention in all of Dream Theater. I mean composition on the scales of Mozart and Haydn, not Beethoven or Chopin genius by anymeans, but still godly IMO.
I agree. While I'm not a very big DT fan (the keyboards plus Labrie's vocals really turn me off), Petrucci puts his heart and soul into his playing, even if it does transcend wank at times.

[BlindWriting]

I will :). I'll be a few mins though. So hang tight.
You rock.

[jamesclelland]

See, Adam is more of a composition genius than a guitarist. He knows what chords can go into what chords and what key changes to switch to create a mood.

Thats why I can understand him not going to the next round. His genius doesn't lie in his guitarplaying it lies in his mind/songwriting/composing.

Haven't been on in a while just reading through old posts because I'm bored.

exactly, people seem to think that doing things fast makes you good. but in reality it's all in how you put it together. 46 & 2 for example, it's basically one riff. but he uses that "geniusness" (if thats a word) to make each repitition something new and even more amazing than the previous

[Huber]

Yeah, I don't understand all the Petrucci hating. People were just looking for a reason to bash him because they thought he was getting to much praise. People need to get over it, he's a good player, period.

[Moses]

exactly, people seem to think that doing things fast makes you good. but in reality it's all in how you put it together. 46 & 2 for example, it's basically one riff. but he uses that "geniusness" (if thats a word) to make each repitition something new and even more amazing than the previous
Not exactly what I was trying to say. You have a point but, doing things fast does make you a skilled guitarist, maybe not a skilled composer, but a skilled guitarist.

Adam Jones the composer > Adam Jones the guitarist

Thats what I was trying to say.

Yngwie the composer < Yngwie the guitarist.

[Moses]

Yeah, I don't understand all the Petrucci hating. People were just looking for a reason to bash him because they thought he was getting to much praise. People need to get over it, he's a good player, period.
I think what it is, it's becoming popular to contradict anything that remotely starts to be the majority opinion of certain people.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that everyone wants to be the one going against the grain. It ends up that everyone is going against the grain.

[Darkness]

^ Yeah I've kinda noticed that alot to.

[Huber]

You can't let those guys bother you, it will always be that way. When the first person said "Metallica is overrated" than like a million other people who like to be the opposite of others because they think that's cool had to agree. Remember, it's easier to say something bad about something, than to say something good. They just took the easy way out.

Yeah, I noticed that a few days ago about Metallica. I guess the same goes for Petrucci, and numerous other things.

[Kage]

I guess what I'm trying to say is that everyone wants to be the one going against the grain. It ends up that everyone is going against the grain.

That's very well said.

And we do agree a lot, our views on Tool are quite similar. But I must say that Mozart > Beethoven by a long shot.

[Huber]

Yeah, that was very well said. It should be stickied :D

[Darkness]

Yeah, I noticed that a few days ago about Metallica. I guess the same goes for Petrucci, and numerous other things.
did you just reply to your own post??? :confused:

[Moses]

That's very well said.

And we do agree a lot, our views on Tool are quite similar. But I must say that Mozart > Beethoven by a long shot.
Mozart wrote brilliant peices in a matter of minutes, whereas Beethoven took time to write the perfect peice everytime. Also Beethoven gave birth to the Romantic period of music.

[Kage]

did you just reply to your own post??? :confused:
:lol: I was thinking the same thing.

[Kage]

Mozart wrote brilliant peices in a matter of minutes, whereas Beethoven took time to write the perfect peice everytime. Also Beethoven gave birth to the Romantic period of music.
The romanticism thing is the only thing I like about Beethoven better than Mozart. Mozart was a downright genius though. Same goes for Beethoven, but I don't know if his musical entity could reach that of Mozart, especially since, like you said, he was able to compose miraculous pieces in minutes.

[Huber]

did you just reply to your own post??? :confused:

Yeah, I said that about the people in the Guitar polls talking down to Kirk and James. I was thinking along the same things as letmypeopleho, but couldn't get it right. He did very well however.

[Moses]

did you just reply to your own post??? :confused:
I've done that but only because I was pwning someone and they wouldn't answer back.

[Kage]

I just popped in Undertow...I never give this album the credit it deserves until I'm actually listening to it.

/useless post.

[Huber]

I just popped in Undertow...I never give this album the credit it deserves until I'm actually listening to it.

/useless post.

I'm waiting to buy Undertow when a good used price comes up. My money is to tight for non-used CDs. :(

[Darkness]

I only like the first 4 songs and flood off of undertow... the rest are kinda like filler tracks... along the lines of "(-) ions"...

[Magicaltroll]

Here you go, Blind. Enjoy :) (available to anyone who wants it, also).

Dream Theater - This Dying Soul

http://s41.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0ORHU9RZA7UM13K2YTTDUV0515
That song's awesome.

[Kage]

I'm waiting to buy Undertow when a good used price comes up. My money is to tight for non-used CDs. :(

I hear you on that one, it's gotten to the point where if I don't have some kind of gift card to a CD store, I just buy used. It's actually really helped me expand me CD collection by a great deal.

But it'll definately be worth it to buy Undertow. It's a great CD, although I didn't appreciate it as much until I had listened to Aenima and Lateralus.

[BlindWriting]

Here you go, Blind. Enjoy :) (available to anyone who wants it, also).

Dream Theater - This Dying Soul

http://s41.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0ORHU9RZA7UM13K2YTTDUV0515
Awesome. Have I told you recently that you rock, madey?

You rock.

Oh shi

[Moses]

The romanticism thing is the only thing I like about Beethoven better than Mozart. Mozart was a downright genius though. Same goes for Beethoven, but I don't know if his musical entity could reach that of Mozart, especially since, like you said, he was able to compose miraculous pieces in minutes.
Mozart seemed to be a phenomenon, like something that God amputated off of himself, and put on the earth to create music.

Beethoven has more songs that I enjoy, he also is the one that made tension (diminished seventh chords) more popular.

[Huber]

I hear you on that one, it's gotten to the point where if I don't have some kind of gift card to a CD store, I just buy used. It's actually really helped me expand me CD collection by a great deal.

But it'll definately be worth it to buy Undertow. It's a great CD, although I didn't appreciate it as much until I had listened to Aenima and Lateralus.

Yeah, in the past few months Amazon has been my best friend :p

[Kage]

Mozart seemed to be a phenomenon, like something that God amputated off of himself, and put on the earth to create music.

Beethoven has more songs that I enjoy, he also is the one that made tension (diminished seventh chords) more popular.
I suppose that's true, I might let my utter awe and respect for Mozart get in the way of my actual opinion regarding the two, but I still love Mozart's compositions.

[Kage]

Yeah, in the past few months Amazon has been my best friend :p
Same here...what's in your opinion a "good" used price? Because unless it's lower than $3.00 I'm a little disapointed, especially after having found some for like 99 cents.

[BlindWriting]

I just popped in Undertow...I never give this album the credit it deserves until I'm actually listening to it.

/useless post.
You know, I listened to it again not too long ago, and I have to say, it's a great album. Not as good as Aenima or Lateralus, but has many excellent songs. I take back what I said about liking it less than Opiate.

[Moses]

I hear you on that one, it's gotten to the point where if I don't have some kind of gift card to a CD store, I just buy used. It's actually really helped me expand me CD collection by a great deal.

But it'll definately be worth it to buy Undertow. It's a great CD, although I didn't appreciate it as much until I had listened to Aenima and Lateralus.
Undertow is so underrated its funny. My favorite song on that album is 4 degrees. I was actually going to mention how unappreciated that album is a while ago.

[ThePatient]

Prison Sex and 4degrees make that cd. I can listen to those over and over again and not get tired of them.

[Kage]

You know, I listened to it again not too long ago, and I have to say, it's a great album. Not as good as Aenima or Lateralus, but has many excellent songs. I take back what I said about liking it less than Opiate.
For me it's the kind of album that I don't think about being great unless I'm listening to it (in all fairness, it is WAY overshadowed by the greatness of Aenima and Lateralus). Still an awesome disc, though. I like it better than Opiate.

[Moses]

You know, I listened to it again not too long ago, and I have to say, it's a great album. Not as good as Aenima or Lateralus, but has many excellent songs. I take back what I said about liking it less than Opiate.
I think it's just as good as Aenima and Lateralus, just harder to appreciate because they hadn't perfected their songwriting skills at that point.

[BlindWriting]

I hear you on that one, it's gotten to the point where if I don't have some kind of gift card to a CD store, I just buy used. It's actually really helped me expand me CD collection by a great deal.

But it'll definately be worth it to buy Undertow. It's a great CD, although I didn't appreciate it as much until I had listened to Aenima and Lateralus.
Yeah, most of the CD's I've bought recently were new-used, all in good condition but at a reduced price. All from this local place in my town. And as a result, I've definitely bought more albums this past year than in the rest of my life.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I need to start picking up albums off Amazon. I saw Salival for 35 bucks in 'very good' condition last night. I decided I'd rather whore the album from some of my mx buddies. (Thx to Madey and ThePatient)

Now, Undertow is the only peice of Tool material I have yet to obtain. :cool:

[BlindWriting]

For me it's the kind of album that I don't think about being great unless I'm listening to it.
That was the problem I had when I first got it. At the time, I had listened to Aenima a lot, and was on a Lateralus (my all-time favorite album) frenzy, so it was easy to put aside and not really realize how good it was unless I was listening to it.

[ThePatient]

I need to start picking up albums off Amazon. I saw Salival for 35 bucks in 'very good' condition last night. I decided I'd rather whore the album from some of my mx buddies. (Thx to Madey and ThePatient)
You're welcome. I was wondering if you got it since it ended up being like the last post on the page. :D

[Kage]

That was the problem I had when I first got it. At the time, I had listened to Aenima a lot, and was on a Lateralus (my all-time favorite album) frenzy, so it was easy to put aside and not really realize how good it was unless I was listening to it.
And I got that album first because I loved Sober so much, even though Schism was the song that got me into them. So when I bought it, the first song kinda threw me off because Sober is such a dark, morose song. The first song is more of a metallic, riff-driven thing and not as dark. I threw it aside, and then I got Lateralus as birthday gift and fell in love with that, then Aenima. I went back and found that I loved Undertow as well.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

You're welcome. I was wondering if you got it since it ended up being like the last post on the page. :D
Did you get my message on the last page? About how You Lied wasn't in the ZIP. I got it from Madey though, who is quite badarse. :thumb:

[Moses]

And I got that album first because I loved Sober so much, even though Schism was the song that got me into them. So when I bought it, the first song kinda threw me off because Sober is such a dark, morose song. The first song is more of a metallic, riff-driven thing and not as dark. I threw it aside, and then I got Lateralus as birthday gift and fell in love with that, then Aenima. I went back and found that I loved Undertow as well.
I got Undertow last so I didn't really have that problem. I just think that it almost never gets the appreciation it deserves. Prison Sex's outro gives me chills, anyone else? And 4 degrees is definately one of their best songs to date.

[ThePatient]

Did you get my message on the last page? About how You Lied wasn't in the ZIP. I got it from Madey though, who is quite badarse. :thumb:
Nope, but I thought you said to leave it out. As long as you got it though.

[BlindWriting]

Is it true that in Intolerance you can hear bits of the Prison Sex riff softly in the background? Are there any other hidden messages in Tool songs? I remember hearing something about a secret backwards message in APC's The Stranger, too.

[BlindWriting]

But not to completely change the topic.

[Kage]

I got Undertow last so I didn't really have that problem. I just think that it almost never gets the appreciation it deserves. Prison Sex's outro gives me chills, anyone else? And 4 degrees is definately one of their best songs to date.
I agree on Prison Sex and 4 Degrees, and I also think Swamp Song and Flood are some of the best on that album, although I don't think that's a very popular opinion around here.

As for the secret messages, I don't know anything about those.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Nope, but I thought you said to leave it out. As long as you got it though.

I just wanted Third Eye, Push it, and No Quarter out of there. Anyways, moving on.

Does anyone know wtf is really going on during Mantra? I've heard the whole gato theory, and a few others, but what is it for sure?

[Huber]

Same here...what's in your opinion a "good" used price? Because unless it's lower than $3.00 I'm a little disapointed, especially after having found some for like 99 cents.

I normally buy used CDs in the 3-5 dollar range, and after shipping if it's over 9 it's a no-go.

[ThePatient]

Swamp Song would be my 3rd favorite off of Undertow. But I think Prison Sex and 4degrees are head and shoulders above the rest.

Mantra sounds like whale songs to me.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Oh crap! Where do you get em for 3 bucks?

Eff, that's cheap. You can get like 5 used for 1 new cd. :confused:

[Huber]

I just wanted Third Eye, Push it, and No Quarter out of there. Anyways, moving on.

Does anyone know wtf is really going on during Mantra? I've heard the whole gato theory, and a few others, but what is it for sure?

In the Tool FAQ it says it's Maynard squeezing a cat slowed down, if that's what you mean by Gato theory. I assume that's true. On the Toolshed boards people say they've recorded it on Audacity, and played it back at some speed faster and it does sound like a cat screaming. I've never tried it though, so I can't say for sure.

[Huber]

Oh crap! Where do you get em for 3 bucks?

Eff, that's cheap. You can get like 5 used for 1 new cd. :confused:

Amazon.com my friend.

[Kage]

Let's not spread the word too much about Amazon, people, or everyone'll take all the good deals.

@Sliptallica :lol: Agreed. Over 9 bucks just doesn't fly.

[The JoZ]

IMO, Intolerance is the best song on Undertow...

I really love the first five tracks, but after that, not so much.

I really don't like Swamp Song and 4 Degrees much, but Undertow itself is cool.

It's still a great listen.

[Kage]

The only problem is that I think on Undertow there are a few momentary lapses of reason (the end of Sober, anyone?). That doesn't happen on Aenima or Lateralus in my opinion.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Gato theory=Maynard screaming his Siamese cat

Anyone else diggin' my Spanglish? :lol:

[Huber]

Gato theory=Maynard screaming his Siamese cat

Anyone else diggin' my Spanglish? :lol:

Me freakin' gusta

[Huber]

I've seen like 5 different versions of the first guitar solo in Lateralus. Can someone point me to the correct one?

[extreme_191]

I bought Undertow first, b/c the guy at the store said it was his favourite. The cover was so intregueing(sp?) Intolerance is one of the best openers IMO

[The JoZ]

Kage: What do you mean by lapses of reason?

Sliptallica: Have you looked at Tooltabs.net?

[Otherside]

I realized listening to Pushit in bed last night that before "Choke this infant here before me" that there is a faint baby screaming in the background. It was pretty cool.

[Werny]

Umm.. Never heard that about APC. Or Tool for that matter. Only thing I know of during Intolerance is in the very beginning.. the muffled sounds or whatever. Yeah, that's supposed to be the sound of someone drowning or something. Turn it up real loud and it'll sound like someone underwater.

I've always thought of it as bong water.

I loooooove Undertow. Crawl Away (!INTRO!), Intolerance, Flood, 4 Degrees, Swamp Song... you can't go wrong!

[unfall]

I LOVE ALEX GREY

btw it was maynards bday on the 17th...

[unfall]

undertow is probably the best album, i like opiate....but..

[Kage]

Kage: What do you mean by lapses of reason?

Sliptallica: Have you looked at Tooltabs.net?
Lapses of reason: Sort of a humorous way of saying that they messed up, in a way. There were some parts on that album that just didn't sound good, such as the end of Sober when he goes into that "I want what I want" and the guitar riff is suddenly out of the mood from the rest of the song. The lyrics are sort of half-assed as opposed to the near perfection in the rest of that song.

Also, I think it's Undertow. At the beginning...that guitar riff is just a no-go for me, although I love the rest of that song.

I second the Tooltabs recommendation. That site is really great.

[Kurrpt]

Lapses of reason: Sort of a humorous way of saying that they messed up, in a way. There were some parts on that album that just didn't sound good, such as the end of Sober when he goes into that "I want what I want" and the guitar riff is suddenly out of the mood from the rest of the song. The lyrics are sort of half-assed as opposed to the near perfection in the rest of that song.

Also, I think it's Undertow. At the beginning...that guitar riff is just a no-go for me, although I love the rest of that song.

I second the Tooltabs recommendation. That site is really great.


that slide at the beginning of undertow is easy, and correct i might add. We play the cover, and it sounds bad arse and dead on. Maybe you're missing the timing on the slide buddy

[Rothmans]

I realized listening to Pushit in bed last night that before "Choke this infant here before me" that there is a faint baby screaming in the background. It was pretty cool.

Jeez I never knew that

/goes and listens to Pu****

[Futuro]

which one i listened to salival and didnt hear it but i dont have aenima right now its at a freinds house :(

[Rothmans]

which one i listened to salival and didnt hear it but i dont have aenima right now its at a freinds house :(

he would of said pu**** live its definitely on Aenima.

[The JoZ]

Lapses of reason: Sort of a humorous way of saying that they messed up, in a way. There were some parts on that album that just didn't sound good, such as the end of Sober when he goes into that "I want what I want" and the guitar riff is suddenly out of the mood from the rest of the song. The lyrics are sort of half-assed as opposed to the near perfection in the rest of that song.

I don't think they messed up there though, I think that part is awesome. Sure, the lyrics aren't exactly diamonds or anything, but the guitar part is wicked.

ATTN All who wanted bass backing tracks!!!

I'm going to be doing some more today, like now.

If I remember correctly, I still have left to do...

Part of Me
Jerk Off
Eulogy
The Grudge
The Patient
Schism

If I have missed any, or you have another request that I haven't already done (Sober, Stinkfist) then let me know.

Please note, however...I am not doing Schism today because my effects pedal is not here, and to properly do the song I need distortion + delay + whammy.

[clearvision]

Aenima please? /will <3 you forever.

But definateley the patient, those two and sober were my requests, i dno about other people, but i can remember schisma nd the grudge being asked for...

[Rothmans]

Aenima please? /will <3 you forever.

But definateley the patient, those two and sober were my requests, i dno about other people, but i can remember schisma nd the grudge being asked for...


Still good to have.

Are you doing lateralis?

[siva_chair]

I don't think they messed up there though, I think that part is awesome. Sure, the lyrics aren't exactly diamonds or anything, but the guitar part is wicked.

ATTN All who wanted bass backing tracks!!!

I'm going to be doing some more today, like now.

If I remember correctly, I still have left to do...

Part of Me
Jerk Off
Eulogy
The Grudge
The Patient
Schism

If I have missed any, or you have another request that I haven't already done (Sober, Stinkfist) then let me know.

Please note, however...I am not doing Schism today because my effects pedal is not here, and to properly do the song I need distortion + delay + whammy.

Cold and Ugly would be cool. But if you don't want to thats ok.

[clearvision]

:lol: He won't if you don't actually ask for it :p

[Kurrpt]

are you gonna do jimmy or undertow?

[clearvision]

ATTN JoZ : I think you should just do what you're comfortable with, 'cause it seems everyone wants different songs. But in actual fact most people will settle for anything :)

[Futuro]

ive recently found cool live pictures of tool...mainly maynard in drag
www.tourphotos.com

look for tool on the side bar

[The JoZ]

Aenima please? /will <3 you forever.

But definateley the patient, those two and sober were my requests, i dno about other people, but i can remember schisma nd the grudge being asked for...

I can do Aenima, although the middle section may not sound 100% like the original.

Still good to have.

Are you doing lateralis

If you want it done, yes, but it also requires my effects pedal, so it will have to wait till at least tomorrow night.

Cold and Ugly would be cool. But if you don't want to thats ok.

I ****ing LOVE Cold and Ugly. Of course I will do it :cool:


ATTN JoZ : I think you should just do what you're comfortable with, 'cause it seems everyone wants different songs. But in actual fact most people will settle for anything

I can play songs off of all their albums, so...yeah I'm comfortable with almost all of them

are you gonna do jimmy or undertow?

I can, but...those fall under the small category of "Tool Songs I Don't Already Know How To Play" so I have to learn them...

[clearvision]

I meant comfortable meaning willing to put time into...

[The JoZ]

I meant comfortable meaning willing to put time into...

Most of these songs I can play like second nature, I have played them so often, so really...not many will require any actual effort to play :D

[clearvision]

:lol: nice, I just know it's time consuming and don't wanna put pressure on you :p

/considerate

[siva_chair]

I ****ing LOVE Cold and Ugly. Of course I will do it :cool:

Sweet!

Thanks again man.

Imaginary Rep ++

[freaks_refuge]

I LOVE ALEX GREY

btw it was maynards bday on the 17th...

Ahem, the word late springs to mind.....n00b

ahh well welcome to the Tool thread.

[clearvision]

:lol: irony from refuge

[Darkness]

Remember the joz... THE GRUDGE.

[BlindWriting]

ive recently found cool live pictures of tool...mainly maynard in drag
www.tourphotos.com

look for tool on the side bar
Maynard looks pretty psychotic in drag.

[unfall]

Ahem, the word late springs to mind.....n00b

ahh well welcome to the Tool thread.

i celebrated his bday man...so dffhfhfgqfregqrevgw ahhhhhh

[DARKanima]

i celebrated his bday man...so dffhfhfgqfregqrevgw ahhhhhh
that's a little weird... do you celebrate the birthdays of many people who you wouldn't know from adam?

[The JoZ]

Remember the joz... THE GRUDGE.

Don't worry, I haven't forgotten.

I'll try to get some of these tracks up later

[Rothmans]

Don't worry, I haven't forgotten.

I'll try to get some of these tracks up later

No rush I dont mind having to wait awhile.

(I know that this doesnt really concern me but lets hope that that's all were thinking in general)

[The JoZ]

http://s45.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3W16FYR62NIQX1GSYZJ1LOU16Z

Backing track for "Part of Me" :cool:

[Darkness]

thats really good man...

[The JoZ]

thats really good man...

Really? I thought it could've been a little better...

[Darkness]

Trust me, it was good... but if you could do better... record away!

[Kage]

that slide at the beginning of undertow is easy, and correct i might add. We play the cover, and it sounds bad arse and dead on. Maybe you're missing the timing on the slide buddy
Uh, I missed the part where I said anything about me playing it. I said I don't like it, or at least that's what I meant.

Joz, keep the backing tracks coming :). Today, I recorded myself playing over the Stinkfist one and it sounds pretty sweet.

[freaks_refuge]

:lol: irony from refuge

Yeh maybe, but a lot had happened in the 12 hrs since I had been online, however I wasn't quite over a week late.

[siva_chair]

Nice job Joz with the Part of Me track.

:thumb:

[The JoZ]

http://s50.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=28J8UP5X7XUJN2UYVR0FVDY9YE

Cold and Ugly...no drums however

[siva_chair]

http://s50.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=28J8UP5X7XUJN2UYVR0FVDY9YE

Cold and Ugly...no drums however

F'in SWEET!

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

So what bands are we talking about today?

[Magicaltroll]

So what bands are we talking about today?
We should make it Nine Inch Nails :thumb:
I don't know...

[Darkness]

So what bands are we talking about today?
Opeth?

[The JoZ]

No, you're all talking about ME, and my uber sweet bass skillz :evil:

Ps Eulogy on the way :p

[Moses]

So what bands are we talking about today?
Prince. He kicks ***.

Has anyone heard the When Doves Cry intro? Amazing.

[Darkness]

No, you're all talking about ME, and my uber sweet bass skillz :evil:

Ps Eulogy on the way :p

pfft... someones a little stuck up... If you'd get me the Grudge (perfectly that is) then mabye I'd be more willing to speak of your "uber sweet bass skillz"

[Moses]

pfft... someones a little stuck up... If you'd get me the Grudge (perfectly that is) then mabye I'd be more willing to speak of your "uber sweet bass skillz"
I think it would take a little more than the Grudge to get me talking.

[The JoZ]

pfft... someones a little stuck up... If you'd get me the Grudge (perfectly that is) then mabye I'd be more willing to speak of your "uber sweet bass skillz"

I hope you recognized that as a joke :p

And I'm going to try The Grudge next :evil:

[freaks_refuge]

Prince. He kicks ***.

Has anyone heard the When Doves Cry intro? Amazing.

Oh no no no 'Purple rain, purple rain.....*cant remember rest of the song*

I think my computers broke, it keeps telling me this is the tool thread
ahh well

[Kage]

I'm looking forward to Eulogy, actually.

[Darkness]

I hope you recognized that as a joke :p

And I'm going to try The Grudge next :evil:

Yeah I knew you were kidding... just giving you a hard time. :)

[The JoZ]

I present...

http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1TAKSERS84CSL3RZURITF0IMLU

Eulogy. With drums, and MIDI guitar doing Maynard's little megaphone thing in the beginning.

[G_Mac07]

w00t! I actually have internet access while Joz is doing these. Thanks man. :thumb:

[Huber]

I present...

http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1TAKSERS84CSL3RZURITF0IMLU

Eulogy. With drums, and MIDI guitar doing Maynard's little megaphone thing in the beginning.

That's awesome. What software did you use to do that stuff?

Edit: Meaning the guitar midi thing.

[The JoZ]

All of my drums and fake guitar sounds come from a program called Harmony Assistant.

[Huber]

Thanks

BTW good job with that whole thing :thumb:

[The JoZ]

:thumb:

Tomorrow's agenda...The Grudge and The Patient during the day, and maybe Schism at night after practice.

[Huber]

That's cool, I can play The Patient on guitar. I might actually use one of these things. Hoorah!

[Adam Jones is GOD]

http://s45.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3W16FYR62NIQX1GSYZJ1LOU16Z

Backing track for "Part of Me" :cool:

Am I imagining things, or do i hear Adam's 'solo' in the mix? Im assuming that you played it to the track.

Great work again though, i like this one the most so far, its so easy to jam to.

[Kurrpt]

Joz for EL PRESIDENTE!!! I have band practice tonight, but afterwards ill try recording guitar over it :-)

The solo is dam easy, maybe ill jazz it up a bit

[Adam Jones is GOD]

If you can fit a jazz solo into that song, ill give you credit

[Kurrpt]

If you can fit a jazz solo into that song, ill give you credit


well, im not sure if it will "jazz" in the true sense, since im not even sure what scales they would use. What i meant was a solo that is spruced up a bit, since the one in part of me is not very eventful

[Adam Jones is GOD]

It fits the song well though. I dont really think it needw to be any longer,as the song itself is short and snappy (and also very repetitive by the end)

[clearvision]

What happened to eulogy?

My eulogy is 8:27

JoZ track is 9:03

what happened there :confused:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Joz got carried away.

I should compare his other recordings. Might explain why im still getting thrown off by Stinkfist

(this is in no way critical of JoZ's playing, merely over the fact he probably plays a few extra notes to give it a signature feel)


/recovery

[The JoZ]

JoZ plays with backing tracks that may or may not be the exact length of the song. I have no idea why Eulogy is so much longer than the original, however :amaze:

I do throw in a few extra slides or notes here and there, depending on the song (see Cold and Ugly) because I think it fits and/or I can't hear what is really being played so I fudge it a bit.

If you hear bits of a guitar or singing, or something in the background, it's cause you're hearing what I'm playing along with. I am recording with a mic, as opposed to simply line in, so there are a few background noises here and there. But if you're guitaring over it, you shouldn't hear those anyway :thumb:

After I get cleaned up and eat, I will start on some of these other recordings.

AJIG, Jerk Off hasn't been done yet because the MIDI backing track I have sucks, and I don't know the song well enough to play without it (cause I need to read the notes), so I'm going to try and find a better version of the song and get that recorded for you soon. Then, Aenima, Grudge and Patient, and maybe later tonight, if it's not too late when I get home, Schism and Lateralus.

[Kurrpt]

JoZ plays with backing tracks that may or may not be the exact length of the song. I have no idea why Eulogy is so much longer than the original, however :amaze:

I do throw in a few extra slides or notes here and there, depending on the song (see Cold and Ugly) because I think it fits and/or I can't hear what is really being played so I fudge it a bit.

If you hear bits of a guitar or singing, or something in the background, it's cause you're hearing what I'm playing along with. I am recording with a mic, as opposed to simply line in, so there are a few background noises here and there. But if you're guitaring over it, you shouldn't hear those anyway :thumb:

After I get cleaned up and eat, I will start on some of these other recordings.

AJIG, Jerk Off hasn't been done yet because the MIDI backing track I have sucks, and I don't know the song well enough to play without it (cause I need to read the notes), so I'm going to try and find a better version of the song and get that recorded for you soon. Then, Aenima, Grudge and Patient, and maybe later tonight, if it's not too late when I get home, Schism and Lateralus.


dam Sam, im looking forward to those

[The JoZ]

Oh yeah AJIG, Aenima will definetly have a 'signature feel to it', just to warn you (and everyone else) :p

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Good. Its fair to say that my version of Ænema is not going t be the same as anyone elses. I change a lot, including the solo part (although the original is sweet still)

[The JoZ]

Good. Its fair to say that my version of Ænema is not going t be the same as anyone elses. I change a lot, including the solo part (although the original is sweet still)

Word.

http://s43.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3S3Q52ECYD45X2E2KA89IT27E7

Jerk Off.

No drums, sorry, I couldn't find any. I kind of mess up the section right before the chords, and I miss like two chords, but I still think it's pretty solid.

Aenema is next.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

No matter, I prefer them without drums in some cases, as I can put my own in with Fruity Loops.


That is, if I knew what the hell I was doing with any kind of drum pattern. Must spend more time lurking the drum forum articles.

[clearvision]

cheers JoZ

[The JoZ]

cheers JoZ

Stick around, Aenema will be up shortly :p

[The JoZ]

http://s45.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1828DQB4V1RZH0O8IX6M883H0Y

Aenema.

First, there is ALOT of background noise in this one...if you listen carefully you can hear a synth lead doing Maynard's line, haha...I can re-record this one on request...

And anyone who wants to play with it...the long F# chord that gets held out before the outro starts ("Try to bring him down again...") is cut short in this version. Just FYI

I do believe The Grudge will be next, sometime shortly :evil:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

DO THE PATIENT NEXT :evil:

Jerk off is cool btw, if there was an error, I didnt notice it. Mainly as I was humming the guitar part in my head to keep track. Ill plug in and play along tommorrow.

[clearvision]

Loveley, since im bored i may record this one....

[The JoZ]

DO THE PATIENT NEXT :evil:

Jerk off is cool btw, if there was an error, I didnt notice it. Mainly as I was humming the guitar part in my head to keep track. Ill plug in and play along tommorrow.

ALRIGHT MR EVIL SMILEY I'LL DO TEH PATIENT NEXT :evil:

Sheesh :p

[Adam Jones is GOD]

But you keep delaying the Patient :(

I do believe The Grudge will be next, sometime shortly :evil:

Quoted for being a fellow evil smiley whore :D

seriously though, im grateful as hell for these. Ill scout out a mod to rep you or something.

[Kurrpt]

do you play along with the track, or just how you remember it?

[Kurrpt]

im gonna have to agree with jones there

[The JoZ]

do you play along with the track, or just how you remember it?

I play along with something, because it would be very boring to just hear me alone.

Alright, alright, I'll do The Patient...I keep delaying it cause I have to tighten up a few spots before I can record it, so, yeah.

[Kurrpt]

I play along with something, because it would be very boring to just hear me alone.

Alright, alright, I'll do The Patient...I keep delaying it cause I have to tighten up a few spots before I can record it, so, yeah.


well, thats my problem, i had to learn it with no backing track, so HAVING a backing track would be bad arse. Ive been asking the drummer and bassist of my band to learn them, but they are lazy good for nothing jerks that dont do diddly squat, so i usually wind up with my own recording that go no where. Ive contemplated getting a bass and learning, as well as a drum set. Carey is the man, but i think i could bite the bullet and bang it out

[The JoZ]

well, thats my problem, i had to learn it with no backing track, so HAVING a backing track would be bad arse. Ive been asking the drummer and bassist of my band to learn them, but they are lazy good for nothing jerks that dont do diddly squat, so i usually wind up with my own recording that go no where. Ive contemplated getting a bass and learning, as well as a drum set. Carey is the man, but i think i could bite the bullet and bang it out


Well, I learn best by reading sheet music, so I really need a backing track to learn a song...but I end up doing it pretty easily, so, yeah...

[SonorKen]

Hey Joz, where did ya get the Harmony Assistant program? Is that free ware?

[The JoZ]

Hey Joz, where did ya get the Harmony Assistant program? Is that free ware?

http://www.myriad-online.net

You can download a free demo, and it will do everything but print more than one page at a time and save...

It's only 73 bucks, however. I love it.

[Darkness]

You lied to me Joz... you said the grudge was next... now your all about the Patient... :(

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

oh stop treating him like a god**** wh0re

[The JoZ]

I think it will be at least a day before I can get more Tool going. I've got an exam tomorrow and Friday...I have to study now for tomorrow, and tomorrow for Friday, but I will try to have Patient + Grudge (IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER :evil: ) done tomorrow.

[clearvision]

The order better stay that way or me and AJIG will be angry :p

Aenema was quality, having the faint midi helped me stay in time :cool: I've just gotta make an effort to learn the syncing of the end parts then i'll be able to record it...

[The JoZ]

Oh yeah, you guys keep promising me rep for this, but I haven't seen it yet.

What gives??! :mad: :p

[clearvision]

I'm not close enough to any mod that will actually rep you for this (Ken, Bartender)..and so i shall leave the begging for rep to AJIG :)

[Darkness]

oh stop treating him like a god**** wh0re
Relax dude, I'm just bugging him again.

[Futuro]

All of my drums and fake guitar sounds come from a program called Harmony Assistant.

is it kinda like guitar pro

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Relax dude, I'm just bugging him again.

I was just kidding, bro. ;)


is it kinda like guitar pro

Nice avvy.

[Darkness]

I was just kidding, bro. ;)

Sure ya were... :D

[ThrashHead]

Yesterday my friend sent me a link saying that Metallica wrote Tool songs or something like that. Can any of you big Tool fans shine some light on this subject for me?

[Huber]

Like, Metallica wrote Tool's songs? Because that's incredibly inaccurate.

[Kage]

Metallica wrote Tool songs? As in they wrote songs for them?

If so, I'll shed light on it: it's completely erroneous.

[Sleeper]

Metallica dosent have the creativity to write songs for tool.

[Moses]

Metallica dosent have the creativity to write songs for tool.
They used to have the caliber of creativity, just not the same kind of creativity.

Thats just proposterous. I can't believe Metallica and Tool were used in the same sentance rather than one being accused of composing the others songs.

[Huber]

Metallica dosent have the creativity to write songs for tool.

Let's not get offensive now. It was just a simple question.

[Sleeper]

Let's not get offensive now. It was just a simple question.
I didnt mean to offend anyone, Sorry.

[Kage]

I agree with him though.