Tool

[clearvision]

This is quality....Can't wait to get some free time and do some recording.

[The JoZ]

Backing Track: Sober (http://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2RPQJUNNDFXPF0LL8QWQ7506EJ)

I'm thinking of Eulogy next...confirm/deny?

[clearvision]

Me an AJIG want the patient :p but yeah, someone wanted eulogy...thanks for this man :thumb: some kind of mod needs to rep you...

[The JoZ]

If two people want The Patient and only one wants Eulogy, I'll do The Patient first :cool:

[clearvision]

Heh thanks man :)

What is the rippling sounds i can hear in these tracks, is that your bass, the drums? Do you use a pick when you play? you playing sounds pretty aggressive.

/Not criticism :)

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Me an AJIG want the patient :p but yeah, someone wanted eulogy...thanks for this man :thumb: some kind of mod needs to rep you...

Ken can do it before he lays down his drum tracks.

And im so glad you uploaded that JoZ, i've just played through it a couple of times and it's corrected the time/rythym errors I was making while playing it.

Were you playing the extended version or the album version btw? I seem to have 2 bars less in guitar parts than your recording. :confused:

[The JoZ]

Uh, it's the album version far as I know...

The bass does have extra notes at the end...Adam just kind of fades out or something...

Either way, it looks like The Patient is up next.

[clearvision]

Answer my Q's please :)

Yay for the patient...

[Kurrpt]

Answer my Q's please :)

Yay for the patient...

has anyone posted their version of the patient yet....im waiting to post mine, but id like to find the backing track for guitar.

[The JoZ]

I didn't see the questions.

I am a pretty agressive pick player, at least on agressive tracks. That and the fact that I don't have great recording equipment, I guess :p

[Adam Jones is GOD]

It was during the break down part, where Adam strums th two chords before letting the bass/drums go on alone. During that part, like on the album, I usually mess about with lower string scrapes and muted note effects, but it seems im two bars short at that part.

Im so not used to playing with a bass accompliment for Tool. I keep missing the flange solo part cue. :(

Oh well, The patient will be cool. More thanks again

/gets thesaurus and looks up 'thanks' for more alternatives

[Kurrpt]

It was during the break down part, where Adam strums th two chords before letting the bass/drums go on alone. During that part, like on the album, I usually mess about with lower string scrapes and muted note effects, but it seems im two bars short at that part.

Im so not used to playing with a bass accompliment for Tool. I keep missing the flange solo part cue. :(

Oh well, The patient will be cool. More thanks again

/gets thesaurus and looks up 'thanks' for more alternatives


hey let me know somehow when someone posts the guitar parts for that track. I wanna see how i do up against it :-D

[The JoZ]

Sorry guys...I keep getting messed up on The Patient on my 6 string...

I'll do The Patient after practice tonight on my 4...

[Kurrpt]

Sorry guys...I keep getting messed up on The Patient on my 6 string...

I'll do The Patient after practice tonight on my 4...


so u play bass i assume then

[The JoZ]

I thought that was pretty obvious, since I've already said I'd do bass backing tracks for these songs :p

[Kurrpt]

I thought that was pretty obvious, since I've already said I'd do bass backing tracks for these songs :p


i must have missed that part, my bad. I just jumped back in the mix, and saw people were doing recordings and what not. I just figured out how to download mp3s to my 8-track recorder, so i can play them back, while im playing and only record my part. Pretty boss option

[siva_chair]

Sometimes it just sounds warmer. And some effects Adam genreates I doubt can be picked up with line in. THough not knowing much about recording, I cant really stake a case against anything

Yeah. And who knows, he may do both.

Wish i could find the picture of his attic with ALL his pedals on. I posted it yonks ago, and its difficult to search for

I would love to see this. I really wish I would have found this thread a long time ago.


BTW, does anyone have any idea how Adam has his amps set up (like how he divides his signal between the three and whatnot)?

[Kage]

Joz, these backing tracks are sweet. Thanks for doing this.

[Podge]

17 Apr 05

HAPPY BIRTHDAY MAYNARD
In honor of the anniversary of your Nativity, here’s a strange little story that happened years ago on the 17th , not of April, unfortunately, but in November. As I’m sure you’re aware, fearing that flying saucers might cause damage to their vineyards, in 1954 the village council of Chateauneuf-du-Pape passed an ordinance making it illegal for flying saucers (especially, as the name and label* indicates, those cigar-shaped saucers) to hover over and land in their vineyards. If any were spotted or captured by the French authorities, they were to be immediately impounded. Now, I know what you’re thinking, but the threat seems to have worked, and here’s the ‘proof…’

* As a tribute to the wines of France’s Rhone Valley, the Bonny Doon Vineyards of California issued a syrah (well, kind of) called “Le Cigare Volant” whose label depicts a classic cigar-shaped flying saucer beaming its bright light on a French vineyard. I’ve a 1996 vintage in my wine rack that has somehow managed to remain uncorked.

On November 17th, 1986, somewhere near Anchorage Alaska, Captain Kenju Terauchi and his crew of JAL flight 1628, a Boeing 747 ‘jumbo’ jet transporting cargo, reported seeing several UFOs, one of which the Japanese pilot described as being twice the size of an aircraft carrier! The jumbo freighter had originated in Paris, France, and after first landing and spending a day in Reykjavik, Iceland, was bound for Tokyo. Shortly after the sighting, the story received international press, mainly due to the fact that the close encounter was tracked by both ground and airborne radar and that the Alaska air traffic controller (ARTCC) instructed the pilot to make certain evasive moves to avoid the object. Also, the FAA officially investigated the case. When asked by the ground controller at Anchorage Center if Captain Terauchi wanted a nearby base to scramble jets, the pilot said “iie”, fearing that the jets might be harmed. In fact, Terauchi actually reminded the ground controllers of a case involving an American Air Force pilot who was killed while chasing a flying saucer in his Mustang – probably a. reference to the Mantell case of January 1948. Because of this apparent knowledge of UFO history, and that the Japanese pilot freely used terms such as “spaceship” and “Mothership”, Philp J. Klass and other skeptics at CSICOP were quick to debunk the sighting. But there was an even bigger problem with Terauchi. I have in my possession a copy of a letter from Klass to UFO researcher Bill Moore dated from 1987 in which he (Klass) also ‘discredits’ Capt. Terauchi’s testimony because he was a “UFO REPEATER.” In a premature and, quite frankly, unsatisfactory explanation for the encounter of JAL 1628, Klass, writing in The Skeptical Inquirer, as well as in the letter to Moore, claims that what Terauchi saw in the “broadside” position was the planet Jupiter which was extremely bright at the time. The other UFO(s) were the planet Mars. After realizing his initial mistake (from info in the FAA data package), Klass later revised his analysis and came to the conclusion that the UFOs were actually reflections of moonlight on clouds of ice crystals (astronomical phenomena al a debunker Donald Menzel). But here’s the good part. When later asked why he thought the UFOs were following him, Captain Terauchi humorously replied that the plane’s cargo consisted of beajoulais French wine, and that perhaps the aliens “wanted to drink it!” (without illegally landing in French vineyards).

That’s all well and fine, but, what I would like to know is why did the ‘jumbo’ freighter stop in Iceland for a day (weather conditions)? This aspect of the JAL 1628 case seems to have been completely overlooked by researchers. It should also be known that for his indiscretion of reporting a UFO(?), Terauchi, a experienced senior captain with an excellent record, was grounded for several years. Thus the case was closed, with no one talking about Ultima Thule… until exactly two years later, when on November 17, 1988, Linda Petursdottir of Iceland was crowned the 38th Miss World. Of course this fact is irrelevant to the JAL encounter… OR IS IT?*

See CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE ICELANDIC KIND for a possible reptilian/alien shape-shifter explanation for certain Icelandic beauty pageant winners. Also, in speaking of cigar-shaped UFOS, is it merely a coincidence that Reykjavik translates as “Bay of Smoke?”


just a guess and such but might this be a clue to the new album, november 17th maybe, anyone good and finding clues and such???

[The JoZ]

Joz, these backing tracks are sweet. Thanks for doing this.

Thanks :cool:

I'll do some more later, hopefully, after I get my 4 string home and restring it.

[siva_chair]

I can't wait to work with those tracks JoZ. Thanks a bunch man!

[Kurrpt]

Thanks :cool:

I'll do some more later, hopefully, after I get my 4 string home and restring it.

is sober the only one you've done so far? if not what others?

[The JoZ]

is sober the only one you've done so far? if not what others?

Stinkfist is a page or two back as well.

On page 230, I made a list of songs I am doing.

[Kurrpt]

Stinkfist is a page or two back as well.

On page 230, I made a list of songs I am doing.


werd!!!

i havent even tried stinkfist, but when you get the patient done, ill submit something as well. i have a recorded version on my GNX4, but theres no backing track, i didnt play along with anything, and its only like 6:30, instead of the 7:03 or whatever the actual track is.

If you have any desire to play Jimmy, 46&2, pu**** (ænema), anything from opiate, or the like, im deff interested :thumb:

[The JoZ]

46 and 2 I can do.

I can play Sweat, Hush and Cold and Ugly off of Opiate. I can play all of Opiate really.

Push*t I am not interested in, I'm sorry, I don't like that song.

[Kurrpt]

46 and 2 I can do.

I can play Sweat, Hush and Cold and Ugly off of Opiate. I can play all of Opiate really.

Push*t I am not interested in, I'm sorry, I don't like that song.


ah thats cool. If you submit anything off of opiate, and i dont have it down currently ( i have down part of me, and jerk 0ff (live)) ill learn it. That whole album is dam easy.

i would imagine pu**** aint that fun for bass, but its great for guitar haha

[The JoZ]

ah thats cool. If you submit anything off of opiate, and i dont have it down currently ( i have down part of me, and jerk 0ff (live)) ill learn it. That whole album is dam easy.

i would imagine pu**** aint that fun for bass, but its great for guitar haha

I'm already doing Part of Me and Jerk Off, so...yeah.

I could just do the whole Ep, really...

[Kurrpt]

I'm already doing Part of Me and Jerk Off, so...yeah.

I could just do the whole Ep, really...


FUK YEA dude. Ive been trying to get my sh*tty band to play those for ages. They suck and refuse to do work and im gonna have to kick them to the curb, but that would be bad arse. Do you submit the drums, or how do you go about laying down ur track (just curious. i cant download at work, so i have to ask sorry)

[The JoZ]

I have been using MIDI drums for my drum tracks.

Someone made a MIDI/Guitar Pro file out of Tool songs, and I am using the drums they programmed for it, and simply doing the bass over it.

In some cases, I am using guitar/other parts, if the bass doesn't come in right away.

[Kurrpt]

I have been using MIDI drums for my drum tracks.

Someone made a MIDI/Guitar Pro file out of Tool songs, and I am using the drums they programmed for it, and simply doing the bass over it.

In some cases, I am using guitar/other parts, if the bass doesn't come in right away.


WOW how'd you get hooked up with that. Sounds pretty friggin boss to me. My drummer just makes excuses for not playing ANYTHING by them, without even giving it a sporting chance, so i wondering

[The JoZ]

I mean, it wasn't hard to get these songs in MIDI format...

Someone just sat down and figured out the drumlines. Kudos to them.

[clearvision]

Nov 17th...:(

JUst do whatever tracks you like to play really. 'Cause i'd assume tracks like third eye would be a bore for you, but playing that solo is great for guitarists. I don't mind what songs I play because I pretty much like them all :)

[LaplacianDemon]

I'd just like to interject randomly here and say something quite obvious.
Justin Chancellor is God.

[Darkness]

^ Thats never random...

/needs The Grudge and The Patient :)

[White Goodman]

thanks to whomever put Demon Cleaner on yousendit, just now logging on so i'm a little late on the thanks. :thumb:

[The JoZ]

Nov 17th...:(

JUst do whatever tracks you like to play really. 'Cause i'd assume tracks like third eye would be a bore for you, but playing that solo is great for guitarists. I don't mind what songs I play because I pretty much like them all :)

Third Eye is one of my favorite songs, but I have to get good and ready to play that. Heh.

[Sleeper]

Third Eye is one of my favorite songs, but I have to get good and ready to play that. Heh.
Im am currently learning that on bass right now, Its quite the trip.

[Huber]

If any of you guitarists or bassists could record Ticks And Leeches for me it'd be awesome.

[Darkness]

Mabye I will for you... but I think a bass player would be better if your doing drums. (assuming you are)

[Huber]

Your assumptions are correct. Either would be great. Just for playing along purposes you know.

[clearvision]

Gnight thread /bets convo will start now...Keep those tracks coming JoZ :)

[extreme_191]

I've lost a write-up that I printed out quite awhile ago which described the alternate track order for Lateralus. I still remember the Fibonacci sequence, ect, ect.

My only problem is that I forgot the exact order of the alternate track sequence. Could someone possibly answer my question? And if I remember right there was actually 2 sequences.

[Darkness]

6,7,5,8,4,9,3,10,2,11,1,12,13 ("The Lateralus Prophecy") or 6,7,5,8,4,9,13,1,12,2,11,3,10 ("The Holy Gift").

[BurtonChancellor]

Am I the only one who has a little laugh whenever Lateralus re-ordered is referred to as "the holy gift"? As awesome an album as it may be (and it IS likely my favourite album), "the holy gift" is just a wee melodramatic and over the top way to refer to the album.

It's also missing a rather important point that Maynard's trying to get across in his lyrics, IMO. Our chance to be alive, to have new experiences and live each moment, THAT is the holy gift that he's talking about. Not a cleverly hidden alternate track order in one of their albums.

[Darkness]

Hey, I didn't come up with it.

[BurtonChancellor]

Hey, I didn't come up with it.
Yeah, I know, I wasn't taking a specific shot at you. I've read the original internet article where the term came from, and I was just questioning that whole idea in general.

[Moses]

i cant believe people actually believed maynard found god. that was the most rediculus thing i have ever heard. have you guys ever read the lyrics to these songs? they clearly show him as a pagan(almost).
I think it's possible that he could believe in Jesus. His lyrics only bash the people who blindly follow a certain religion because they're told to, not the religion itself. I have pretty close veiws to MJK about organized religion, and he basically said religion is one thing, but conformity is another. The aspect he dislikes about religion is "too many indians, NO cheifs".

[siva_chair]

I think it's possible that he could believe in Jesus. His lyrics only bash the people who blindly follow a certain religion because they're told to, not the religion itself. I have pretty close veiws to MJK about organized religion, and he basically said religion is one thing, but conformity is another. The aspect he dislikes about religion is "too many indians, NO cheifs".

123

Thank you.

[Moses]

I was hoping someone agreed with me.

[Moses]

Wow, after the "Tool talk night" this thread seems, somewhat worn out.

[Moses]

I completely agree with you. I love how Maynard is athiest.
Is he for sure?

[Moses]

I'm not sure. He's probably agnostic.
Thats what I'm thinking.

[misunderstood]

Yeah, I think I once read somewhere that he does not consider himself to be athiest.

[The JoZ]

Maynard was once quoted as praising Jesus and Mohammed as having great ideas about peace/love/understanding, or something to that effect...and said that their PR guys went and ****ed it up.

Maynard is anti-hypocrisy, he said in an MTV (?) interview that it was the hypocrisy in the church that turned him off to them...he never said anywhere that he was atheist/didn't believe in God.

He was raised a Baptist, so...

I'm not sure he's completely shunned his beliefs so much as he has shunned corrupt church officials, etc. He doesn't seem to like the organized part of organized religion...but he's never openly claimed to be sacreligious.

[Moses]

He's too much of a romantic to be an atheist. Thats the impression I get almost any artist. It's weird I go to an arts school, and the majority of the people there are atheist. I find it pointless to make art, if there is no "spiritual essence". What else would make it art and not matter?

The people are quite contradictory and reject all religion just because it may have rules. Yet they make Art, which has an unexplainable essence to it.

[Moses]

Maynard was once quoted as praising Jesus and Mohammed as having great ideas about peace/love/understanding, or something to that effect...and said that their PR guys went and ****ed it up.

Maynard is anti-hypocrisy, he said in an MTV (?) interview that it was the hypocrisy in the church that turned him off to them...he never said anywhere that he was atheist/didn't believe in God.

He was raised a Baptist, so...

I'm not sure he's completely shunned his beliefs so much as he has shunned corrupt church officials, etc. He doesn't seem to like the organized part of organized religion...but he's never openly claimed to be sacreligious.
Yes I remember that quote I think I have a file on my comp of it.

[The JoZ]

Even the lyrics he writes...aren't openly blasphemous or anything.

Even when he says "Jesus Christ why don't you come save my life now? / Open my eyes, blind me with your light"...

That doesn't mean he's putting Jesus down, but to me, he's taking a shot at people who let the church/religion blind them completely; in essence, they take some people over, because they are blind to everything but what the church tells them.

This would go along with the mantra of "Think for yourself"

[Moses]

Even the lyrics he writes...aren't openly blasphemous or anything.

Even when he says "Jesus Christ why don't you come save my life now? / Open my eyes, blind me with your light"...

That doesn't mean he's putting Jesus down, but to me, he's taking a shot at people who let the church/religion blind them completely; in essence, they take some people over, because they are blind to everything but what the church tells them.

This would go along with the mantra of "Think for yourself"
Exactly, I thought I was alone. People are like "how could it not have been, Maynard hates religion". I only just had the motivation to say somthing recently.

Any way I'm out for the night.

[The JoZ]

Exactly, I thought I was alone. People are like "how could it not have been, Maynard hates religion". I only just had the motivation to say somthing recently.

Any way I'm out for the night.


Tool's big thing is to not take things at face value. Yet alot of people who have said that have done just that.

Honestly, I think the only straightforward song Tool has is "Ticks and Leeches", and even then, it's ambiguous as to who it's really about. The rest of their songs are pretty much open to alot of interpretation. "Opiate" is no exception, and I think my interpretation of those lyrics is pretty accurate, IMO.

[mudvayne420]

Am I the only one who has a little laugh whenever Lateralus re-ordered is referred to as "the holy gift"? As awesome an album as it may be (and it IS likely my favourite album), "the holy gift" is just a wee melodramatic and over the top way to refer to the album.

It's also missing a rather important point that Maynard's trying to get across in his lyrics, IMO. Our chance to be alive, to have new experiences and live each moment, THAT is the holy gift that he's talking about. Not a cleverly hidden alternate track order in one of their albums.

hey a long time ago someone wrote their view on the "alternative track listing" for lateralus, and i think i know where hes comin from its. 8,9,1,2,3,6,7,10,11,12,4,5,13. i added ticks and leeches first becuase i see it as he's telling us fans who soo much want tool to Do better and release more ****(SALIVAL) and that he basically lost hid voice to make it What we wanted. and when triad ends mantra comes in faint and tehn bam! but, when schism comes its basically about Teh fall of THE Tower of BAbel. and that this album was basically the building of the Towerr.

[Werny]

I think of Maynard as definitely athiest. If he doesn't necessarily hate religion, I don't see why he would say (well he doesn't say it, but he wrote it) "F*CK YOUR GOD! Your Lord, your Christ". I don't know about your guys but to me that doesn't sound like a "think for yourself".

My stance on the whole deal; I hate religion, but I don't hate people that follow it (except those darn Jehovah's Witnesses).

[misunderstood]

You should check out the commentary he makes during "Judith" on the aMOTION dvd.. He makes sure to clear out that he does not say "Fvck THE God but fvck YOUR God" In this song he's referring to his mother's beliefs or something. I don't remember it quite clearly but I'm pretty sure he's not plain out saying..."fvck God"...Jeez, I don't know if I made any sense...It's too early for me and I gotta get to class...*yawn*

[Rounder]

Not to get too far off this cool topic, but I've been up all night tabbing The Grudge, and wanted to post it before I go to bed. Any of you that play guitar wanna check it out and tell me what you think I'll be back on later...

The Grudge (http://www.matter4u.com/images/TheGrudge.txt)

I couldnt put it on Toolshed cuz of their ghey tab posting system that wraps text....

[clearvision]

Yeha in judith he says 'Fcuk your god your lord your christ, he's the one that did this to you, you never thoguth to question why' It seems like hes saying to his grandmother he let you die, you shouldn't blindly believe in him. Which is not something a devout christian would do.

[Shadius]

Yeha in judith he says 'Fcuk your god your lord your christ, he's the one that did this to you, you never thoguth to question why' It seems like hes saying to his grandmother he let you die, you shouldn't blindly believe in him. Which is not something a devout christian would do.

Actually, Billy says that.

Anyway... I'm not really sure about Maynard, he's agnostic in the sense he believes in syncronisities and connections between things, and that everything somehow fits together, possibly for a larger purpose. I get the feeling from Opiate that he WAS completely anti-religion. Yet, from his later works, I believe his opinion mellowed somewhat. Opiate seems very athiest in it's views, sure, you can say he's just bashing people being sheep, but I think it's quite clear back then that he had strong emotions about Christianity being a complete load of crap, and he didn't believe in/like Jesus.

Nowadays, he seems very new-age and individualist in his beliefs, somewhat a suprise if all you'd heard was Opiate. Theres a HUGE difference in the seeming approach to life from those two releases. Simply, he grew.

[The JoZ]

Yeha in judith he says 'Fcuk your god your lord your christ, he's the one that did this to you, you never thoguth to question why' It seems like hes saying to his grandmother he let you die, you shouldn't blindly believe in him. Which is not something a devout christian would do.

I don't think anyone is saying he's a devout Christian...

He may not even fully be a Christian anymore. I don't know for sure.

But I don't think he's an atheist, or agnostic. Nobody seems to know what Maynard really thinks, and I think that's the way he'd prefer it.

[Rothmans]

The whole judith thing is more of a letter to his mother who fell fataly ill and she said "it is all a part of god's glorious plan" and maynard was probably so angry over that it was like an written letter to her.


With all this hullabaloo about maynards religion i wouldnt be amazed if he actually believed in a god but as we all know he isnt a fan of the middle man in religion about someone who is only in religion to reap the benifits (money)

[The JoZ]

The whole judith thing is more of a letter to his mother who fell fataly ill and she said "it is all a part of god's glorious plan" and maynard was probably so angry over that it was like an written letter to her.

And his anger would be understandable in some respect.

Either way, I maintain that Maynard is not a sacreligious man.

He's just different :thumb:

[Rothmans]

And his anger would be understandable in some respect.

Either way, I maintain that Maynard is not a sacreligious man.

He's just different :thumb:
:lol:
True but i have always wonderd what religion Justin is?

[The JoZ]

:lol:
True but i have always wonderd what religion Justin is?

I don't really know. :p

I don't particularly care about my bands and their religion.

Dream Theater are Catholic/Jewish. Tool are...well, we don't really know what Tool are, it's hard to tell.

As long as they make great music, it doesn't matter to me :thumb:

[Rothmans]

I don't really know. :p

I don't particularly care about my bands and their religion.

Dream Theater are Catholic/Jewish. Tool are...well, we don't really know what Tool are, it's hard to tell.

As long as they make great music, it doesn't matter to me :thumb:

Obviously it doesnt matter but it has always made me curious i dont know why but just has.

[The JoZ]

Oh yeah, back on to the backing tracks for a minute...

My neck is really, really, sore after I slept on it wrong...about the only thing I can do is sit and type, and even that isn't done very comfortably, or well...

I do have my four string back, but until my neck is better, I can't play bass (or drive, or move very well for that matter).

So, don't worry all of you wanting the rest of those tracks, I'll get them to you. But it may not happen today, or even tomorrow...

[Rothmans]

Oh yeah, back on to the backing tracks for a minute...

My neck is really, really, sore after I slept on it wrong...about the only thing I can do is sit and type, and even that isn't done very comfortably, or well...

I do have my four string back, but until my neck is better, I can't play bass (or drive, or move very well for that matter).

So, don't worry all of you wanting the rest of those tracks, I'll get them to you. But it may not happen today, or even tomorrow...

No problem man thanks so much for that I finnaly have got the right rythm for Sober because of them so now we can practice that (me and my band we have alread nailed the patient and stinkfist :cool: )

But on another note I was flicking through a magazine and i stumbled on something interesting it was about a perfect circle (im not a big fan but interesting snippet)

Its about thirteenth step and bily sheds some new light onto it I will post it in one second...

[bassist-bmxer]

I could record schism if you want, but I couldnt put a drum track to it.

[Rothmans]

Well here we go:

Interviewer:
How does "Thirteenth Step" differ from "Mer De Noms"?

Billy:

"For me personnaly, the only thing would be that it's more organic, a little less
dense than last time. Things that i'm more inspired by today would be Cat Power, or Interpol. Things like that. Thats what I find myself listening to."

Interviewer:
What does the title mean?

Billy:
we've got a lot of friends in AA or 12- step programmes which none of the band are in and the 13th step is preying on somebody, or being preyed on
by someone who sees another person in their vulnerable state, and while they're trying to rid themselves of whatever demons that are going on, they've now got this new predator out there who sees the vulnerability open up.

Interviewer:
What feelings inspired the album?

Billy:
"I wanted to go into this record with more of an optimistic approach. I war writing from the feeling of 9/11. There was so much darkness, and [it was] such a heavy time, and it seems to be whatever is happy in my life I want to rebel against that particular feeling of comfort, of control you have to be comfortable with uncertainty. I felt a loss of control."

"phew"

[Rothmans]

Sorry if there is sloppy grammer or spelling it just got a bit tireing or if anyone cares about it.

[axxxion]

Interviewer:
What does the title mean?

Billy:
we've got a lot of friends in AA or 12- step programmes which none of the band are in and the 13th step is preying on somebody, or being preyed on
by someone who sees another person in their vulnerable state, and while they're trying to rid themselves of whatever demons that are going on, they've now got this new predator out there who sees the vulnerability open up.




I kind of thought thats what the title meant, because in the episode of "Family Guy" where Y2K destroys civilization, Peter walks out of a liquor store called "The Thirteenth Step", or as my buddy calls it, Retox.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Oh yeah, back on to the backing tracks for a minute...

My neck is really, really, sore after I slept on it wrong...about the only thing I can do is sit and type, and even that isn't done very comfortably, or well...

I do have my four string back, but until my neck is better, I can't play bass (or drive, or move very well for that matter).

So, don't worry all of you wanting the rest of those tracks, I'll get them to you. But it may not happen today, or even tomorrow...

No matter. Its a bonus recieving them in any case. Plus Stinkfist will do well for a few days for me

/send sexy young blonde over to deal with your neck

[The JoZ]

No matter. Its a bonus recieving them in any case. Plus Stinkfist will do well for a few days for me

/send sexy young blonde over to deal with your neck

:naughty:

Maybe you can send her back after I finish the rest of the tracks?

[Kurrpt]

No matter. Its a bonus recieving them in any case. Plus Stinkfist will do well for a few days for me

/send sexy young blonde over to deal with your neck


i finally got MY bassist to learn jimmy. He almost has it down, it just sucks that im the only who knows when the changes are and how many bars to play each riff for. I cant wait to hear his rendition of that.

[ndude77]

Hey,
Does anyone else ever feel like when they listen to both the Grudge and Lateralus its like a religeous revalation. I listen to Tool almost everyday, but still with both of those songs, it gets me everytime (especially the poly-breakdown in Lateralus with Danny Carey's rediculous drumming, and then Maynard comes in...omg its almost orgasmic)
Just wanted to know if i was alone...

[Sleeper]

Hey,
Does anyone else ever feel like when they listen to both the Grudge and Lateralus its like a religeous revalation. I listen to Tool almost everyday, but still with both of those songs, it gets me everytime (especially the poly-breakdown in Lateralus with Danny Carey's rediculous drumming, and then Maynard comes in...omg its almost orgasmic)
Just wanted to know if i was alone...
im sure your not alone

[Kage]

Oh yeah, back on to the backing tracks for a minute...

My neck is really, really, sore after I slept on it wrong...about the only thing I can do is sit and type, and even that isn't done very comfortably, or well...

I do have my four string back, but until my neck is better, I can't play bass (or drive, or move very well for that matter).

So, don't worry all of you wanting the rest of those tracks, I'll get them to you. But it may not happen today, or even tomorrow...

Sounds like a very convienient excuse to me :amaze:

No matter, I'm having a lot of fun with Stinkfist right now. I didn't realize how sketchy my timing was on the solo section, and this is definately helping.

[The JoZ]

Sounds like a very convienient excuse to me :amaze:

No matter, I'm having a lot of fun with Stinkfist right now. I didn't realize how sketchy my timing was on the solo section, and this is definately helping.

**** you, I'm in alot of pain here :angry:

I can't drive, or do anything really :upset:

[bassist-bmxer]

I have done that before, i slept on the sofa and i was in agony the next day.

Joz whats your favorite Tool song to play on bass? Mine has gotta be schism.

[The JoZ]

I have done that before, i slept on the sofa and i was in agony the next day.

Joz whats your favorite Tool song to play on bass? Mine has gotta be schism.

Third Eye :cool:

[clearvision]

Aww to JoZ :)

Theres no rush man, take your time...will be cool to hear peoples attempts at adams tone and stuff...specially mine with my zoom :(

[Rothmans]

Aww to JoZ :)

Theres no rush man, take your time...will be cool to hear peoples attempts at adams tone and stuff...specially mine with my zoom :(
I have a boss ME-50 and that is gay for getting his tone i get nearly too it with some songs but rarely ever.

[clearvision]

I have a zoom 606, i would love an ME-50 :lol:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Aww to JoZ :)

Theres no rush man, take your time...will be cool to hear peoples attempts at adams tone and stuff...specially mine with my zoom :(

I lose

Marshall MG30DFX with Jackhammer Distortion pedal.

And I use the in built flange effect.

Hence, my tone = crap

[Darkness]

^ Eh your setups probably still all own mine.

[G_Mac07]

I lose

Marshall MG30DFX with Jackhammer Distortion pedal.

And I use the in built flange effect.

Hence, my tone = crap

I used to have that, except I had a MG50DFX, and it definately wasn't the best. It is however, far far superior to what I'm playing now. :upset:

[mudvayne420]

I bet i own the crappiest Bass and amp then all of you.. it's a corsair and my amp is only 15 watts so i can't play that loud with my band, and i own a digitechBP80 and a distortion pedal forgot the brand but it's pretty good

[G_Mac07]

Well, I play guitar, and I've downgraded from my Epiphone LP to a bottom of the line Squier Strat, on which the 14th fret on the D string is ****ed.

My situation with amps has been my MG50DFX (which shat itself during a jam on day), it got replaced with a Behringer 100w something (?), and now I have nothing except for a pair of headphones with the most pathetic overdrive you've ever heard. :upset:

[clearvision]

I play a yamaha pacifica, it's ok i suppose, through my zoom. My amp is a ten watt aria, piece of sh!t...i just use line in to record and headphones to jam. And since i have no band, i don't need to play live...

Objectives -

1) Get a band
2) Get a better amp/setup
3) Get the band to play tool

[Kurrpt]

i have a Les Paul classic, played through a crate 120 watt half stack, through the digitech GNX4. I initially bought my metal zone boss pedal for TOoL, but i decided that the GNX4 can produce a much better distortion sound, that you can get almost exact to any track ur trying to cover. My new guitar (schecter c-1 FR) comes in the mail tomorrow :-)

[Futuro]

I play a yamaha pacifica, it's ok i suppose, through my zoom. My amp is a ten watt aria, piece of sh!t...i just use line in to record and headphones to jam. And since i have no band, i don't need to play live...

Objectives -

1) Get a band
2) Get a better amp/setup
3) Get the band to play tool

where do you live? Im a drummer and i play with a bass player, and we play a bunch of tool songs but still looking for a guitar player.

[Kurrpt]

where do you live? Im a drummer and i play with a bass player, and we play a bunch of tool songs but still looking for a guitar player.


Pennsylvania

[clearvision]

I live in luton, England.

[Sleeper]

I live in Franklin, Wisconsin.

[clearvision]

nice, postcount ++? I'm really appreciating maynards vox in the opiate/undertow tracks...the oklahoma show reintroduced me to cold and ugly. It's so raw, and theres lots of little bits where his voice isn't 100% polished which is just cool.

[Darkness]

The way he sung cold and ugly on oklahoma concert was alot different on opiate. On Opiate he was like yelling all the words but on oklahoma he was acutually singing... both were cool though.

[clearvision]

I think it's pretty similair. But yeah i'm loving opiate atm, specially jerk-off.

[Moses]

I live in Franklin, Wisconsin.
Milwaukee BIATCH.

[Moses]

I think it's pretty similair. But yeah i'm loving opiate atm, specially jerk-off.
The outro to that song is orgasmic.

[Darkness]

I wish people would stop saying that... it gets really annoying.

[Moses]

I wish people would stop saying that... it gets really annoying.
Saying what? Biatch?

[Darkness]

That songs are orgasmic, I think it sounds retarded but thats just me.

[Moses]

That songs are orgasmic, I think it sounds retarded but thats just me.
Oh, how about EARgasmic. Thats what my freinds mom calls it when your cleaning your ear with a q-tip, because it feels so good.

[The JoZ]

But the songs, for the most part, really are that good.

It just makes you shudder like you've had an orgasm. Not quite as good, but close :cool:

[Kage]

But the songs, for the most part, really are that good.

It just makes you shudder like you've had an orgasm. Not quite as good, but close :cool:

Right. Actually, sometimes it's just as good. :cool:

[Moses]

It's weird how music can do that to you. Like in Ballade in G minor for piano by Chopin I have an eargasm twice because of one chord change. (Comes up two times in the song.)

[Darkness]

How's the neck the joz... I really wanna hear the grudge and the patient from you. :D

[Rothmans]

Sorry to saude the conversation but one question:

What amp's does Adam have?

[Moses]

Sorry to saude the conversation but one question:

What amp's does Adam have?
All I know is its a Marshall, I don't know what model.

Does anyone else think Cold and Ugly and Jerkoff on Opiate are from the same show? The applause seems to lead frome C&U right into Jerkoff.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

All I know is its a Marshall, I don't know what model.

Does anyone else think Cold and Ugly and Jerkoff on Opiate are from the same show?

Think? Know more like. They link in to each other like they would at a show, so I thought that was obvious.

And Adam uses more than just a Marshall.

http://guitargeek.com/rigview/593/

[Moses]

Think? Know more like. They link in to each other like they would at a show, so I thought that was obvious.

And Adam uses more than just a Marshall.

http://guitargeek.com/rigview/593/
Yeah I editted.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I was too quick out of the blocks there :p

[Moses]

Why doesn't anything after Undertow have a lighter feel to it. Don't get me wrong Aenima and Lateralus were god, but, the song, Opiate is really refreshing to listen to after Lateralus.

[Shadius]

Think? Know more like. They link in to each other like they would at a show, so I thought that was obvious.

Hmm. They were recorded a year apart, if I remember the inside cover of Opiate. '90 and '91, I think. Or '91 and '92. They were at the same place though, I believe. At Christmas?

[Darkness]

Why doesn't anything after Undertow have a lighter feel to it. Don't get me wrong Aenima and Lateralus were god, but, the song, Opiate is really refreshing to listen to after Lateralus.
What do you meen...

[Huber]

That songs are orgasmic, I think it sounds retarded but thats just me.

How about Joygasmic?

[Darkness]

^ Much better.

[Moses]

What do you meen...
Ok, listen to say, Prison Sex. Then listen to anything on Lateralus. It's just like after Undertow they completely abandoned the major scale.

[Moses]

How about Joygasmic?
:amaze: That sounds horrific.

[Darkness]

So? I think Lateralus blows undertow out of the water musically.

[Huber]

Lateralus blows everything out of the water as an album IMO

[Darkness]

^ good call.

[Moses]

So? I think Lateralus blows undertow out of the water musically.
Well, Lateralus was more of a one color album, doesn't change emotions as much. Like I said its like they completely abandoned the major scale. Maybe if they used it on the next single they put out, it would give a refreshing kind of vibe.

[Darkness]

One color? Listen to Disposition then Ticks & Leeches.

[Shadius]

You're saying you think Undertow had a light vibe? I personally think that's their darkest album.

[The JoZ]

Lateralus is a very colorful album, I have no idea what you're going on about.

Each song has it's own color, it's own personality.

[Moses]

You're saying you think Undertow had a light vibe? I personally think that's their darkest album.
Not necessarily light, but lighter in different areas.

Also Dispostion and Ticks and Leeches are different, but how many songs like Ticks and Leeches on Lateralus are there?

[The JoZ]

Not necessarily light, but lighter in different areas.

Also Dispostion and Ticks and Leeches are different, but how many songs like Ticks and Leeches on Lateralus are there?

Zero.

Like I said above, each song has it's own personality.

[Moses]

Lateralus is a very colorful album, I have no idea what you're going on about.

Each song has it's own color, it's own personality.
I don't know, I'm probably alone on this. Anyway I don't see alot of "light" on Lateralus or Aenima. I mean the style of writing is just completely different on Undertow. Just saying there was alot more major scale on Undertow and Opiate than on Aenima and Lateralus.

[Moses]

Zero.

Like I said above, each song has it's own personality.
Yeah, I was asking Darknees of Greed.

[Darkness]

Ok but no song is similar to The grudge, or Parabola or Lateralus itself either.

[The JoZ]

I don't know, I'm probably alone on this. Anyway I don't see alot of "light" on Lateralus or Aenima. I mean the style of writing is just completely different on Undertow. Just saying there was alot more major scale on Undertow and Opiate than on Aenima and Lateralus.

I don't see how using a major scale can be the sole critera for 'light' in a song.

I think "The Patient" is full of light. I think it has a positive energy to it. Same with "Parabola", it's just...ALIIIVE, as Maynard says.

Songs like Schism and The Grudge might be kind of dark, but the other songs are light to me.

[Moses]

To me, they give off the same vibe. But, like I said before, I'm probably alone on this.

I just hope they use the major scale a bit more on the next album.

[Darkness]

I don't care what scales they use to write stuff, as long as its amazingly good as everyone thinks its going to be.

[Huber]

Undertow is less colorful than DRT on there own.

/late

[Moses]

I don't see how using a major scale can be the sole critera for 'light' in a song.

I think "The Patient" is full of light. I think it has a positive energy to it. Same with "Parabola", it's just...ALIIIVE, as Maynard says.

Songs like Schism and The Grudge might be kind of dark, but the other songs are light to me.
I was about to say The Patient and Parabola were the obvious ones. I still don't get as much light from them as say, Opiate. Also I never said the major scale was the sole criteria for light. They used the harmonic minor on 4 Degrees and that song is very light.

I'll say it again for emphasis. I'm probably alone on this.

[The JoZ]

I mean, really, I think Opiate, the album, is pretty dark actually. Hush is kind of light, and so is Opiate the song, a little...but overall, very dark feel to the album...

[Darkness]

Man it almost sounds like you have light and dark messed up.

[Moses]

Well, it's probably just me then.

[Huber]

Awhile back when I did my thing on what I thought Parabola was about made me to this day think it was a Lighter song.

/random

Opiate, from what I've heard before this, is a much darker and angrier album, is it not?

[Moses]

Awhile back when I did my thing on what I thought Parabola was about made me to this day think it was a Lighter song.

/random

Opiate, from what I've heard before this, is a much darker and angrier album, is it not?
It's angrier, but has lighter, happier feeling parts.

It's seems I'm confused though. I didn't get much sleep on top of it and the thought just came to me when I said it. Really tired.

[Kage]

I find both Lateralus and Aenima to be darker than both Opiate and Undertow. Songs like Patient may have some light, but there's an undertone of darkness that runs through the veins of every song on Lateralus, which is different han Undertow. I think that every song on Undertow have a different vibe completely, whereas on Lateralus/Aenma, there's a consistent feeling from song to song that's sort of the foundation of every song its respective album. Every song still gives off a unique feel, but there's a certain sameness to each song as well. That's one of the things that makes Lateralus a great album, though.

[Moses]

I find both Lateralus and Aenima to be darker than both Opiate and Undertow. Songs like Patient may have some light, but there's an undertone of darkness that runs through the veins of every song on Lateralus, which is different han Undertow. I think that every song on Undertow have a different vibe completely, whereas on Lateralus/Aenma, there's a consistent feeling from song to song that's sort of the foundation of every song its respective album. Every song still gives off a unique feel, but there's a certain sameness to each song as well. That's one of the things that makes Lateralus a great album, though.
Thank you. This gives me some hope that I'm not deilusional right now.

You touched on it better for me than I could at the moment. Mainly because I'm extremely fatigued, and I'm going to sleep soon.

Whoever would have thought one matinee of West Side Story on an hour of sleep would be so draining.

[Sleeper]

I find both Lateralus and Aenima to be darker than both Opiate and Undertow. Songs like Patient may have some light, but there's an undertone of darkness that runs through the veins of every song on Lateralus, which is different han Undertow. I think that every song on Undertow have a different vibe completely, whereas on Lateralus/Aenma, there's a consistent feeling from song to song that's sort of the foundation of every song its respective album. Every song still gives off a unique feel, but there's a certain sameness to each song as well. That's one of the things that makes Lateralus a great album, though.
I always found opiate to be full of hate/anger.

[Kage]

@letmypeopleho
^^^Yeah, I can totally see what you're saying. A lot of people sometimes confuse darkness with anger/heaviness or something like that. I find Aenima to be their heaviest album, period, and Lateralus second because it's such a dynamic album...much moreso than their previous releases.

[Kage]

I always found opiate to be full of hate/anger.

How does that relate to it?

[The JoZ]

I find both Lateralus and Aenima to be darker than both Opiate and Undertow. Songs like Patient may have some light, but there's an undertone of darkness that runs through the veins of every song on Lateralus, which is different han Undertow. I think that every song on Undertow have a different vibe completely, whereas on Lateralus/Aenma, there's a consistent feeling from song to song that's sort of the foundation of every song its respective album. Every song still gives off a unique feel, but there's a certain sameness to each song as well. That's one of the things that makes Lateralus a great album, though.


I really feel reverse of you, I think.

[Huber]

I can't remember who, but in that webcast thing one of them said he was surprised to hear someone call Lateralus a lighter album or something like that, and that most people thought it was darker. So, I guess it is all just how your feeling it.

[Moses]

@letmypeopleho
^^^Yeah, I can totally see what you're saying. A lot of people sometimes confuse darkness with anger/heaviness or something like that. I find Aenima to be their heaviest album, period, and Lateralus second because it's such a dynamic album...much moreso than their previous releases.
I honestly thought I was going crazy before you said anything.

[Moses]

How does that relate to it?
I could kind of see where he might think that it relates to anger.

Like in the outro of Jerk-off or the intro to Sweat, but they all come in surges of anger. Everything but those surges are somwhat light and satirycal IMO.

[Kage]

I can't remember who, but in that webcast thing one of them said he was surprised to hear someone call Lateralus a lighter album or something like that, and that most people thought it was darker. So, I guess it is all just how your feeling it.

Yeah, I guess there's a lot personal perception at play.

But there's more to heaviness and darkness than the anger/hate displayed on Opiate and Undertow. There's dynamics, which Lateralus is a masterful showcase of, for one. Not to mention the interaction between guitar/bass and the drums, which are all much more fluid and interesting on Aenima and Lateralus by far.

Also, the construction of the songs on Lateralus is more coherent, which gives it a fuller punch as a whole album. Same with Aenima.

[Huber]

Now that I think about it, Lateralus is pretty dark. With the exception of Parabola because of the way I think of it, I can't think of a song that produces a light mood.

[Moses]

Now that I think about it, Lateralus is pretty dark. With the exception of Parabola because of the way I think of it, I can't think of a song that produces a light mood.
The major chord change in The Patient does it for me.

[Moses]

Yeah, I guess there's a lot personal perception at play.

But there's more to heaviness and darkness than the anger/hate displayed on Opiate and Undertow. There's dynamics, which Lateralus is a masterful showcase of, for one. Not to mention the interaction between guitar/bass and the drums, which are all much more fluid and interesting on Aenima and Lateralus by far.

Also, the construction of the songs on Lateralus is more coherent, which gives it a fuller punch as a whole album. Same with Aenima.
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[Kage]

I think The Patient is a dark song, too. At the beginning, it's a very bleak guitar line and the vocal line is pretty haunting. It all builds up to a massive dynamic change, which makes the song pretty heavy. It sort of has a sinister feel to it.

Not to mention Disposition/Reflection/Triad. *shudders*

[Huber]

The major chord change in The Patient does it for me.

Because I'm not a guitarist or bassist, that doesn't mean much to me. The guitars get heavier in some parts and lighter in others, that's all I notice. Maynard created a much more darker setting with lyrics saying he might walk away from his beliefs (the speaker atleast). Plus, my ear for the drums didn't catch a single light part.

[Moses]

I think The Patient is a dark song, too. At the beginning, it's a very bleak guitar line and the vocal line is pretty haunting. It all builds up to a massive dynamic change, which makes the song pretty heavy. It sort of has a sinister feel to it.

Not to mention Disposition/Reflection/Triad. *shudders*
Yes. Thats why I only said the major chord change.

[Kage]

You know, it occurs to me that you were on about scales, but I'm gald they've moved away from the major scale. I believe several songs on Lateralus (namely The Patient and the title track) are based on the D Dorian scale, which is a mode of C Maj.

[Huber]

I need to learn this scales stuff when I get my new guitar...

[Moses]

You know, it occurs to me that you were on about scales, but I'm gald they've moved away from the major scale. I believe several songs on Lateralus (namely The Patient and the title track) are based on the D Dorian scale, which is a mode of C Maj.
Well, it is a mode of C Maj, but so is the A Aolian scale. Aolian is played with the same notes of Cmaj but starting on A. Aolian=Minor. This turns it to the A minor scale. D Dorian is one accidental away from being a minor scale.

I'm also glad Tool has moved farther from the major scales, yet I would like to see a bit more light shed on the new one. It could turn out to be a refreshing change from Lateralus. Combined with the "supposed" heaviness, it could turn out to be very enjoyable.

[Kage]

Well, it is a mode of C Maj, but so is the A Aolian scale. Aolian is played with the same notes of Cmaj but starting on A. Aolian=Minor. This turns it to the A minor scale. D Dorian is one accidental away from being a minor scale.

Yes, this I knew :p. But I'm pretty sure they use the D Dorian quite often.

[Moses]

Yes, this I knew :p. But I'm pretty sure they use the D Dorian quite often.
I think more on Aenima than on Lateralus. But thats just my ear talking.

[Darkness]

I hope theres an update about the new album soon... I'll take anything.

[Moses]

I hope theres an update about the new album soon... I'll take anything.
Same.

[Darkness]

You guys think if the album doesn't come out for like another year they'll release something like salival?

[Kage]

All I want is a live DVD.

[X3R0]

I hope theres an update about the new album soon... I'll take anything.

the ablum is comming out in this century

[Moses]

You guys think if the album doesn't come out for like another year they'll release something like salival?
It's been way too long for it to be another year. I'm just ITCHING for somthing to come out. I hope ther'll be a DVD.

[TheSubtleArts]

the ablum is comming out in this century


maybe

[Magicaltroll]

Well, it is a mode of C Maj, but so is the A Aolian scale. Aolian is played with the same notes of Cmaj but starting on A. Aolian=Minor. This turns it to the A minor scale. D Dorian is one accidental away from being a minor scale.

I'm also glad Tool has moved farther from the major scales, yet I would like to see a bit more light shed on the new one. It could turn out to be a refreshing change from Lateralus. Combined with the "supposed" heaviness, it could turn out to be very enjoyable.
Yeah, I would kinda like the next Tool album to be less "dark". Somewhat like Third Eye, because to me, that song is heavy (in its own little way) and it's not very dark.
IMO

[Darkness]

Wow that song is really dark IMO.

[Moses]

Yeah, I would kinda like the next Tool album to be less "dark". Somewhat like Third Eye, because to me, that song is heavy (in its own little way) and it's not very dark.
IMO
A couple days ago I said thats the song I'd like them to move towards. Some of the heaviest and softest parts in all of Tool are in that song. I don't think it's as dark as abstract.

[Kage]

Yeah, I would kinda like the next Tool album to be less "dark". Somewhat like Third Eye, because to me, that song is heavy (in its own little way) and it's not very dark.
IMO

Are you kidding me?? That's one of Tool's darkest songs, if not the darkest.

[Darkness]

^ thank you kage

[Moses]

Are you kidding me?? That's one of Tool's darkest songs, if not the darkest.
Well, I do think it is one of their darkest, softest, most abstract, angriest, loudest, saddest, funniest, anythingest, songs.

It has a collage of things, though the more memorable moments are very dark.

[Kage]

My perception of dark is what atmosphere is created. If the atmosphere is dark, well, then it's dark. Dark and heaviness do not go hand in hand, but they can go along together very well. All the whispering and the dissonant guitar parts in Third Eye, as well as the general feel of the song make it a dark masterpiece in my opinion.

[Moses]

I'm listening to it and it is definately the darkest song by Tool.

I don't know what song creates a darker atmosphere by them.

[The JoZ]

Quoted for tr00f.

A close second is Triad, I think.

I personally think Reflection is darker than Triad...

But Third Eye takes the cake.

[Kage]

I personally think Reflection is darker than Triad...

But Third Eye takes the cake.

Agreed.

The great thing about it, though, is that it's a very dark song, but not overly so, and it isn't a burden to listen to. It's dark through the whole thing, yet it's not melodramatic and stays varied and interesting. How they did that with a 13 minute song, mixing so many different mood shifts and the building/release of tension is incredible.

[Moses]

Triad has a very tribal feel to it, not so much dark to me.


How they did that with a 13 minute song, mixing so many different mood shifts and the building/release of tension is incredible.

The main reason I like Tool.

[The JoZ]

Agreed.

The great thing about it, though, is that it's a very dark song, but not overly so, and it isn't a burden to listen to. It's dark through the whole thing, yet it's not melodramatic and stays varied and interesting. How they did that with a 13 minute song, mixing so many different mood shifts and the building/release of tension is incredible.

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I would love to see more work like Third Eye.

[Kage]

**** you, I'm in alot of pain here :angry:

I can't drive, or do anything really :upset:

This is changing the subject, but I just saw this and wanted to make sure you knew I was kidding? Right?

[The JoZ]

This is changing the subject, but I just saw this and wanted to make sure you knew I was kidding? Right?

I knew it :p

But I still wanted to make sure you knew I really was in pain :upset:

[Moses]

I'm gonna put Aenima on and go to sleep so I'll catch you cats on the flipside lata.

[Kage]

I knew it :p

But I still wanted to make sure you knew I really was in pain :upset:

Of course. You feeling better now, though?

[Kage]

I'm gonna put Aenima on and go to sleep so I'll catch you cats on the flipside lata.
Ha, that's what I was planning on doing in a few hours.

[The JoZ]

Of course. You feeling better now, though?

Much.

I still don't have the full range of motion in my neck, but I can at least drive, and look around relatively normally :cool:

[Magicaltroll]

Agreed.

The great thing about it, though, is that it's a very dark song, but not overly so, and it isn't a burden to listen to. It's dark through the whole thing, yet it's not melodramatic and stays varied and interesting. How they did that with a 13 minute song, mixing so many different mood shifts and the building/release of tension is incredible.
Yeah, there are some very dark parts. But I love how its basically an emotional roller coaster basically. Like around 7:00, the softer part, it feels so... slow and heavy that it feels like there's an "itching" for that climax to come. And when it does get heavy again, its like an "eargasm". I love it. I would say it's just as good as listening to the end part of Lateralus with really good headphones on and listening to those bass slides over the guitar and the... It's just great I think. Same thing with "The Grudge", around 3:45, with the drums.

I love Tool :D

[Kage]

Yeah, there are some very dark parts. But I love how its basically an emotional roller coaster basically. Like around 7:00, the softer part, it feels so... slow and heavy that it feels like there's an "itching" for that climax to come. And when it does get heavy again, its like an "eargasm". I love it. I would say it's just as good as listening to the end part of Lateralus with really good headphones on and listening to those bass slides over the guitar and the... It's just great I think. Same thing with "The Grudge", around 3:45, with the drums.

I love Tool :D

Very true.

[The JoZ]

Third Eye is not a song, it is a journey.

That is all :cool:

[Huber]

Yeah, there are some very dark parts. But I love how its basically an emotional roller coaster basically. Like around 7:00, the softer part, it feels so... slow and heavy that it feels like there's an "itching" for that climax to come. And when it does get heavy again, its like an "eargasm". I love it. I would say it's just as good as listening to the end part of Lateralus with really good headphones on and listening to those bass slides over the guitar and the... It's just great I think. Same thing with "The Grudge", around 3:45, with the drums.

I love Tool :D

The second Maynard yells "let go" for the last time and Danny starts doing his thing, I have a joygasm. Stuff like that makes Tool so great.

Edit: ^^ in The Grudge

[The JoZ]

I think we all know what song that came from ;)

[Magicaltroll]

We better know what song! :lol:
And you're right, Third Eye IS a journey.

[The JoZ]

I think anyone could make a reference like that to a Tool song, and we'd all know what it was anyway.

We're just that cool*

*Obsessed :p

[The JoZ]

Neither do I.

We're Tooloholics anonymous. We love Tool. This is not a problem :p

[Darkness]

Yeah, I'm happy to admit to my obsession with this band. :D


Is the neck good enough for some 4 string bassige the joz?

[The JoZ]

Yeah, I'm happy to admit to my obsession with this band. :D


Is the neck good enough for some 4 string bassige the joz?

My neck is fine...

I can't do any bass till...Saturday.

I have a cello recital AND a paper to work for, both on Friday...

:(

[Darkness]

Eh its all good... I can wait tell Saturday for some Grudge action.

Good luck with that paper though. :chug:

[stogamann]

i am sure this was discussed already in this thread(but i am to lazy to look) but do any of you know when there new album is coming out? I heard somewhere from like the fall 05 and the beginning of 06?

[The JoZ]

i am sure this was discussed already in this thread(but i am to lazy to look) but do any of you know when there new album is coming out? I heard somewhere from like the fall 05 and the beginning of 06?

Everyone's best guess is sometime this year.

We don't know any more than that.

[clearvision]

They bedda hurry up with the album...

IMO Jimmy is really dark and haunting...with the subject matter and everything...

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Third Eye is not a song, it is a journey.

That is all :cool:


A long journey that gives me the chills. :naughty:

[Kurrpt]

i just bought the phatest TOoL shirt. It has a red heart on the front with the labeled aeorta and what not, and the "TOoL" logo is all crazy.

I bought it from hot topic though :-(

[Kurrpt]

They bedda hurry up with the album...

IMO Jimmy is really dark and haunting...with the subject matter and everything...


thats prolly my favorite song from that album

"I am wide awake and heading................HOME home home home....."

[Adam Jones is GOD]

i just bought the greatest looking Tool shirt. It has a red heart on the front with the labeled aeorta and other features


Fix'd for bad use of laguage (NEVER use p h a t again please :thumb: )

All my good tool shirts are risking being over worn and their colours are draining in the wash too much. So they're going out of commission soon.

I wear a lot of shirts in the week. Time to buy more.

[The JoZ]

I think I will do some Tool today, I'm not sure.

Keep refreshing the thread :naughty:

[bassist-bmxer]

My Tool shirt has holes in it and i dont know why :( and this is like the only tool shirt i have ever found in a shop.

[Kurrpt]

Fix'd for bad use of laguage (NEVER use p h a t again please :thumb: )

All my good tool shirts are risking being over worn and their colours are draining in the wash too much. So they're going out of commission soon.

I wear a lot of shirts in the week. Time to buy more.


well lets see i have 1,2,3,4,5 shirts now. I lost one from a concert in baltimore i paid 40 bucks for. Pissed me the fuk off really. I understand the "overworn" problem with TOoL, which normally would piss me off, but as long as its not the ænema shirt, I will make exceptions. I take extreme care of all of them, and i only wear maybe 1 or 2 a week. I also have 2 APC shirts i throw in the mix on off days hehehe. They only let me wear t-shirts to work on Friday, so now i got something bad arse to show off :thumb:

I never saw the shirt before, so i had to snap. I love the fact i fit in a medium

[Moses]

I don't really have an addiction to Tool, but they happen to be in my cd player alot and it can be really satisfying.

[Kurrpt]

I don't really have an addiction to Tool, but they happen to be in my cd player alot and it can be really satisfying.

i went through 3 copies of ænema and im on my 4th. Thankfully i invested in 20 gig mp3 player, so i no longer have to worry about it

[clearvision]

Meh i don't really wear band shirts, or rockish clothes atall. Might get the classic tool shirt one day theback one with the black writing on white background. I can't say im addicted to tool, they are probs my favourite band. But i just roam around lots of different music, at the moment all i seem to listen to is Bjork and Nin...(and some akon :() But tool's albums are just ones where i'll be sitting there thinking what shall i listen to? then will just go with tool because its good. Can't really say i listen to lateralus 4 times a day or anything : \ ...blashphemous :(

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Im past my tool prime for the moment. Discovering bands such as Opeth, Mogwai and Mastadon has sapped my listening attentions elsewhere. In fact, it's been ages since I listened to a tool album on its own.

But that doesnt stop them from being my favourite and most influential band.

[The JoZ]

Im past my tool prime for the moment. Discovering bands such as Opeth, Mogwai and Mastadon has sapped my listening attentions elsewhere. In fact, it's been ages since I listened to a tool album on its own.

But that doesnt stop them from being my favourite and most influential band.

The same thing has kind of happened to me too. IE, I don't listen to Tool as much when I drive, cause of stuff like Dream Theater, Unearth, Soilwork, etc.

But Tool is ultimately my #1 band, and nothing will change that, unless their new album blows.

[Kurrpt]

i never listen to the whole albums any more. Usually its like 1 track from Opiate, 2 from Undertow, 2 from ænema, and like 2 or 3 from lateralus

[bassist-bmxer]

How can you go through 3 copies!?! :amaze:

[Kurrpt]

The same thing has kind of happened to me too. IE, I don't listen to Tool as much when I drive, cause of stuff like Dream Theater, Unearth, Soilwork, etc.

But Tool is ultimately my #1 band, and nothing will change that, unless their new album blows.


one word........IMPOSSIBLE

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Even if their new album blows, their past will still keep them in favour with me.

Unless Mogwai release an album better than CODY. Or I hear the rest of Opeth's discography and find it just as good/better than what I have.

But no way would I change complete opinion on Tool if their new album fails to hit the mark.

[Kurrpt]

How can you go through 3 copies!?! :amaze:

listen to the sh*t outta it (nice english) my bro is a big fan, and I got all my friends into it.

Very carefully my friend

[The JoZ]

I mean, I would still listen to their older stuff...but they'd better do a good job, what with Octavarium coming out in June...

When I bought Train of Thought, it literally didn't leave my car for like two months.

I'm hoping Octavarium is that good, if not better. Same goes for Tool's new album, when it comes out.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

How can you go through 3 copies!?! :amaze:

Lending it out to careless friends
Using a knackered CD reader of some sort
Poor storage
Mistaking it for eMOTIVE


Though i listen to Tool from MP3 format now, so my CD's sit away in my pride and joy CD area of my room

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I mean, I would still listen to their older stuff...but they'd better do a good job, what with Octavarium coming out in June...

When I bought Train of Thought, it literally didn't leave my car for like two months.

I'm hoping Octavarium is that good, if not better. Same goes for Tool's new album, when it comes out.

Being in England, Dream theatre really doesnt get sold to me (if you know what i mean) as much as Tool. can you recommend an album that would instantly give me the idea of whether I love or hate them?

[bassist-bmxer]

Yeah at the moment I am listening to Dream Theater more than Tool. But I still listen to tool quite alot.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

One thing I don't like about Dream Theater is that they're 'style over substance'. A lot of the solos are NOT well-placed.

[The JoZ]

Being in England, Dream theatre really doesnt get sold to me (if you know what i mean) as much as Tool. can you recommend an album that would instantly give me the idea of whether I love or hate them?

Awake.

Their best mix of heavier and lighter songs, I think.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Awake.

Their best mix of heavier and lighter songs, I think.

Ill know what im looking for next time i go CD hunting then.

[Kurrpt]

tha sad thing is, i never know what bands you guys are talking about. I dont listen to the radio, and i know zero people who listen to that stuff. Dam i need to pirate some music

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Read more threads on mx in general, that';s where i get at least half my music recommendations from. The rest comes from sputnik and MTV2 (which is better in England, trust me)

[The JoZ]

Ill know what im looking for next time i go CD hunting then.

:thumb:

Personally I think it's hard to say, but Awake is somewhere in the middle between light and heavy, so it works best. The other albums are either centered on being lighter, or heavier.

[Moses]

I really like Dream Theater probably as much as I like Tool, even though I listen to Tool more often. What album is The Glass Prison on? That's the song that really got me into them. That might catch your ear "Adam Jones Is God".

[Kurrpt]

I really like Dream Theater probably as much as I like Tool, even though I listen to Tool more often. What album is The Glass Prison on? That's the song that really got me into them. That might catch your ear "Adam Jones Is God".


i have every album (dad gave me them all) but i dont think i listened to a single one the whole way through. I love that song, forget which album, found the tab for it (like 20 pages) and cried like a little bitch cause you need a 7 string to play it. I hate fukking petrucci and his dam 7 string guitar i dont have !!!!

[Kurrpt]

YTSE jam made me love dream theater. I had every CD and only listened to that track for like 3 months before i started to listen to others. Now i listen to glass prison, that track, and some of the budokahn CD

[bassist-bmxer]

its on 6 degrees of inner turbulance. I love that song.

[The JoZ]

I will upload TGP for AJIG real quick...

Even though it's not on Awake, it is arguably one of their best songs.

[bassist-bmxer]

Tgp? Ajig?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Tgp? Ajig?

We speak in codes. You missed the meeting

Cheers JoZ :cool:

[bassist-bmxer]

oh ok I thought he was talking about a DT song :p

[The JoZ]

We speak in codes. You missed the meeting

Cheers JoZ :cool:


Dream Theater - The Glass Prison (http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=39NP2B3G6QM1J054O4IZEAD9FT)

:cool:

[clearvision]

Get images and words AJIG, I have awake, scenes from a memory and images and word. I did have 6 degrees but that bored me. Images and words should give you a look at their sound.

EDIT the glass prison is decieving, none of their other stuff matches it.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Get images and words AJIG, I have awake, scenes from a memory and images and word. I did have 6 degrees but that bored me. Images and words should give you a look at their sound.

EDIT the glass prison is decieving, none of their other stuff matches it.

Dont confuse me :confused: I respect all of your musical recommendations, but dont contradict each other

[bassist-bmxer]

Joz can you play TGP the whole way through yet? that was your goal at some point i think.

[clearvision]

Meh it is just that i'm not a big fan of awake, and i was reccomended I+W and haven't looked back.

[The JoZ]

Images and Words isn't really heavy at all, AJIG. I don't suggest getting that first, because then you might not like their heavier stuff, which I find to be VERY good.

The Glass Prison isn't totally decieving, most of their later stuff kind of sounds like this.

And no, I cannot play it the whole way through yet, I haven't sat and actually learned the last half of it :(

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Im loving what im hearing. His voice sounds a bit like Yourcodenameis:milo at points (which is good, and im probably the only one who thinks so). And the mixture of solos keeps it fresh for me

Cheers again JoZ. :thumb:

[bassist-bmxer]

I just cant get the bit with the keyboard and guitar solos, it is just to fast for my fingers.