Tool

[twiggster]

I've seen APC live twice. I think their shows are awesome. Though you don't see much of them because they have tons of lights, its great. I saw them at their Halloween show last year. It was one of the best shows I've ever seen.

[bobthesalesclerk]

I made a road trip to Hershey Pa to see em this year(5 hour drive)and it was well worth it. Amazing band and josh performed beautifully even with the broken leg

[bobthesalesclerk]

BTW Orestes was definitly the best song they did. Soooooo powerful.

[twiggster]

yeah, Orestes was great...but my favorite was probably The Package...the whold band just went crazy...I was great. The bass part was really strong. It was pretty cool.

[tool owns all]

Track: Eulogy
Album: Aenima


This is what the song means to me.. I could be right, I could be wrong.. Usually with TOOL there is no wrong answer. Anyways!

Here is the dictionary Definition of Eulogy:

“Eulogy - A laudatory speech or written tribute, especially one praising someone who has died.�


This song can be used towards anyone with power, such as a dictator, president, GOD, etc..
For conversation sake, lets use god. Maynard takes a sarcastic approach in this track, going back and fourth
From being serious, back to sarcastic remarks, lets look at how the song starts…

Eulogy – Being the bible in this case.


“He had alot to say.
He had alot of nothing to say.
We'll miss him.

So long.
We wish you well.
You told us how you weren't afraid to die.
Well then, so long.
Don't cry.
Or feel too down.
Not all martyrs see divinity.
But at least you tried.�

Standing above the crowd,
He had a voice that was strong and loud.
We'll miss him.
Ranting and pointing his finger
At everything but his heart.
We'll miss him.


Maynard sets the theme, of someone powerful standing over a crowd.. I picture the time of Christ, people in robes, with god preaching to people hungry for the word of god. Yet all he is saying was just a waste of breath, a waste of time. Hence “Not all martyrs see divinity, But at least you tried.� I picture this good ol’ cartoon act… . the devil on one shoulder and an angel on the other, arguing between each other, just for better understanding. Hence “he had a lot to say� then “he had a lot of nothing to say� The last verse make me picture god, because if you have ever read the bible it describes, that no one is perfect, but Christ. “ranting and pointing his finger at everything but his heart.�


“Standing above the crowd,
He had a voice so strong and loud and I
Swallowed his facade cuz I'm so
Eager to identify with
Someone above the ground,
Someone who seemed to feel the same,
Someone prepared to lead the way, with
Someone who would die for me.�


Back to the devil/angel theory.. This person is lost, so he looks for someone to lead the way for eternity. Some one that could relate to him. And someone above the ground (all the features of Christ) so this person believes in christ, for help. For guidance, yet he is stabbed in the back rather then being at peace.
Facade, stands for “a face of a building� as in God shows his face, all beautiful and perfect, but when you enter the building its thrashed and messy….


“Will you? Will you now?
Would you die for me?
Don't you f*ckin lie.

Don't you step out of line.
Don't you f*ckin lie.�


The “messy building� reflects his lies.. Picture it as if the person has fallen for the beginning message, yet finds out everything he knew or was told were all lies.


“Come down.
Get off your f*ckin cross.
We need the f*ckin space to nail the next fool martyr.

To ascend you must die.
You must be crucified
For your sins and your lies.
Goodbye...

I feel this is after he understands that you don’t have to be a follower to have eternal happiness. And is somewhat just making fun of the whole situation.

Welp.. there it is… hopefully it makes sense, it does to me. And like I has said before I could be totally wrong.

:evil:



I am with you 100% on this. Good job. :thumb:

[tool owns all]

Hey dude, some interesting points there. Didn't maynard say the song wasn't about god and jesus? I know this doesn't affect your interpretation but to get the 'true' meaning sureley we have to look somewhere else. I find this incredibly hard when in the lyrics it mentions crosses :angry:

Well int he first stanza you picked out the lines 'he had alot to say, he had alot of nothing to say' i find these lines could talk about Martin luther king (now to be called MLK) You see he tried to change or reform america into a non racist nation. He had many things to say, which may have become reptitive, hence maynards contradiction.

The next point i recieved from this guy called 'mstajduh' on the toolshed forums. in the line 'We need the f*ckin space to nail the next fool martyr the explanation the guy gave was "He was the one doing the nailing his 95 thesis on the corrupt catholic church in wittenburg" this makes sense, Maynard could be using a complex metaphor, but maybe im mistaken. These are the two main arguments i have. Has anyone got any othe rideas on 'eulogy'?



Hrmmm. Nice argument.

[bobthesalesclerk]

Die eier von satan is about a cookie with no eggs. Thats great.

[bobthesalesclerk]

here are the translated lyrics to Die Eier Von Satan


Half a cup of powdered sugar
One quarter teaspoo salt
One knifetip Turkish hash
Half a pound butter
One teaspoon vanilla-sugar
Half a pound flour
150 g ground nuts
A little extra powdered sugar
... and no eggs

Place in a bowl
Add butter
Add the ground nuts and
Knead the dough


Form eyeball-size pieces from the dough
Roll in the powdered sugar
and say the Magic Words:
"Sim sala bim bamba sala do saladim"

Place on a greased baking pan and
Bake at 200 degrees for 15 minutes
...AND NO EGGS

Bake at 200 degrees for 15 minutes
...and no eggs.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Some of you tool fan boys make me sick.
*is a big tool fan*

[bobthesalesclerk]

Its wierd if you read the transcribed lyrics with Die Eier Von Satan you can make out a few of the words hes saying. You can make out hashish and everytime he says Ount Kiner Eier hes saying and no eggs. Its halarious.

[clearvision]

Hrmmm. Nice argument.

Postcount ++? My argument was already corrected you peenarse. No need for sarcasm!

[IronGland93]

I hope T()()L's new album is alot heavier. I love how they construct songs from a fast heavy, huge array's of sound effect, to a suddenly soft mellow point. I really enjoy thier instrumentals like TRIAD and THIRD-EYE (can't get enough of those) I hope there is a couple of songs like those.....

[deadohiosky9]

I hope T()()L's new album is alot heavier. I love how they construct songs from a fast heavy, huge array's of sound effect, to a suddenly soft mellow point. I really enjoy thier instrumentals like TRIAD and THIRD-EYE (can't get enough of those) I hope there is a couple of songs like those.....

I Agree!

[Last Ditch Effort]

The only songs I've heard by Tool were Schism and some other wierd song with a messed video. What's some songs that would be a good start to the band? It's wierd that this is one of the only bands i haven't given a chance yet. Pink Floyd is one of my favourite bands, with syd or with Waters. I've heard them and Tool compared.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

What's some songs that would be a good start to the band?

I would recommend hearing
The Grudge
Third Eye
Sweat
Swamp Song
Eulogy

As that would give you the full picture of what they are like. Or the Aenima (how do you do that symbol thingy anway?) album would be a good introduction if you dont just want individual songs

[deadohiosky9]

The only songs I've heard by Tool were Schism and some other wierd song with a messed video. What's some songs that would be a good start to the band? It's wierd that this is one of the only bands i haven't given a chance yet. Pink Floyd is one of my favourite bands, with syd or with Waters. I've heard them and Tool compared.

Some good songs are:
The Grudge
The Patient
Parabola
Ticks and Leeches
Stinkfist
Eulogy
H
jimmy
Pu****
Aenima
Forty Six and 2

Buy one of thier albums, I recommend Aenima or Lateralus. You won't be disappointed.

[deadohiosky9]

Does anyone here have the Tool Toolology the Unauthorized DVD? I saw it at Hot Topic. Just wanted to see if it was worth buying.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I haven't heard of it so I would be wary, the unofficial APC dvd's/books/etc are not great, so I would think a Tool one wouldn't be too, and I cant imagine there would be much live footage too.

[deadohiosky9]

It syas its 48 minutes long. 20 bux. I dunno. I might get it.

[BunnYzWillEAtYoU]

Man im really pissed about salival now, i will pin it no.1 on my crimbo list. A new dvd version. :) When do you guys think APC/Tool will tour next?

apc is not going on tour for a while, even they they have another album slated for november i think. Tool will probably tour soon... whenever they release their next album (which could be years). but from what Ive heard they should have some new stuff comin out by winter or so.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

apc is not going on tour for a while, even they they have another album slated for november i think. Tool will probably tour soon... whenever they release their next album (which could be years). but from what Ive heard they should have some new stuff comin out by winter or so.

Start of next year is a tentative date, but a lot closer than years. And I hope they tour around that time too, and hopefully do the festival run this time

[BunnYzWillEAtYoU]

I made a road trip to Hershey Pa to see em this year(5 hour drive)and it was well worth it. Amazing band and josh performed beautifully even with the broken leg

DUDDEEE!!!! I was there too man!!! were you general admission or have a seat?? I had a seat but it was pretty close up, left of the stage. One of the best **** shows i been too. I know, I am a drummer and I dont understand how josh does some of the things he does. Though, seeing danny carey would be ridiculous. I think I would choke on like... air or something and die.

[BunnYzWillEAtYoU]

Start of next year is a tentative date, but a lot closer than years. And I hope they tour around that time too, and hopefully do the festival run this time

yeah thats what i heard at the toolshed. Kabir is the man!!

[El Duderino]

wasn't Tool supposed to do a new song for the Doom 3 soundtrack?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

http://www.doom3headquarters.com/forum.php?forum=1&page=1&msg=1790&msgref=1791#anch1791

I was hoping that it was going to be Tool, but this is just as good. The music is very good, from what i've downloaded (Doom 3 still not out here yet)

[paradigmbassist]

theres a new APC remix of the outsider on the new resident evil sound track



www.roadrunnerrecords.com

[bobthesalesclerk]

DUDDEEE!!!! I was there too man!!! were you general admission or have a seat?? I had a seat but it was pretty close up, left of the stage. One of the best **** shows i been too. I know, I am a drummer and I dont understand how josh does some of the things he does. Though, seeing danny carey would be ridiculous. I think I would choke on like... air or something and die.


Yea i was in the same spot you where. We where actually probally sitting pretty close. I have long hair and was wearing a white paiste shirt. . .i was with a dude with red hair, a dude with long blonde hair, and a really hot chick.

[IronGland93]

does anybody know were I could get some free footage of T()()L live. I'd realy like to get a hold of something from the:amaze:LATERALUS:amaze:tour....

[twiggster]

does anybody know were I could get some free footage of T()()L live. I'd realy like to get a hold of something from the:amaze:LATERALUS:amaze:tour....

Go to this website http://www.musictelevisionsucks.net/search.php and in the search box type in Tool....They have quite a few live videos to download.

[IronGland93]

Thank's alot TWIGGSTER...I've been look'n for awhile...Thank's for the help!...:naughty: Dude, I got Schism LIIIIIIIIIIVE in the BIG NY:naughty:....

[tool owns all]

Postcount ++? My argument was already corrected you peenarse. No need for sarcasm!


Hah. There wasn't any hint of sarcasm in that. I read the correction after I posted it.

[BunnYzWillEAtYoU]

Yea i was in the same spot you where. We where actually probally sitting pretty close. I have long hair and was wearing a white paiste shirt. . .i was with a dude with red hair, a dude with long blonde hair, and a really hot chick.

Dude, no offense but you fit the description of like... everyone else there. Chances are pretty good we saw eachother but I cant remember anything specific. I was kinda watchin the band intetly most of the time (for any moment where maynard would come out of his corner and show himself). Loved that thing maynard was standing behind at the beginning. I think they did that at every show. What did you think of burning bride?? I thought they were alright as compared to other completely ****ty opening bands ive seen. Little too reminiscent of chains-like grunge, though. At least we didnt have to sit through mini-kiss. I heard they blow.

[bobthesalesclerk]

Mini Kiss played? And i missed it. . .****. i thought the burning brides sucked. Even if mini kiss sucked i woulda still loved to see a bunch of midgets in black and white makeup. . .i smoked like an ounce before i went in so i would have laughed extremely hard @ that.

[deadohiosky9]

Mini Kiss played? And i missed it. . .****. i thought the burning brides sucked. Even if mini kiss sucked i woulda still loved to see a bunch of midgets in black and white makeup. . .i smoked like an ounce before i went in so i would have laughed extremely hard @ that.

LOL

[BuzzFreak]

I know what the song "Stinkfist" is about, its about Anal Fisting -_0

Ewww gross is it really?????!!?? I thought it was Vagina Fisting.

[BuzzFreak]

I thought he said Jesus was a ****ing ???? in Sober.

[BunnYzWillEAtYoU]

Mini Kiss played? And i missed it. . .****. i thought the burning brides sucked. Even if mini kiss sucked i woulda still loved to see a bunch of midgets in black and white makeup. . .i smoked like an ounce before i went in so i would have laughed extremely hard @ that.

no they didnt play that night. but they played like every other night on that tour. youre right though, that would have been ****in hilarious. I dint smoke at all, cuz i went with my sister... APC+ :smoke: = :thumb:

[EonBlueApcolyps]

Ewww gross is it really?????!!?? I thought it was Vagina Fisting.

are you kidding me....

The song is not directly about the traditional interpretation of "fisting" or even fistulas, instead it's using it as an analogy; it's comparing it to the "desensitization" of modern society towards graphic content, as compared to a few decades ago, when censorship was strict ('desensitized to everything/what became of subtlety'). The song is trying to state that in the past, 'something' had to change so that people could be stimulated intellectually. But then constant exposure (or over stimulation) to this material, numbs the person ('this may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to'), so that eventually it takes something REALLY graphic or shocking, to affect the person emotionally or intellectually. Hence the 'finger-knuckle-shoulder' analogy; it's saying that now, it takes more than just a little bit of stimulation for people to feel anything. So the shoulder can be considered as the extreme. It would make sense that this song would be referring to censorship, as the song "Hush", from Opiate, also referred to censorship; only, the issue was addressed more directly in "Hush" than it was in "Stinkfist".

[qtipstabsbrain]

its been done before... but im gonna try to muster up some intelligent thought on one of my favorite songs... so here goes!
Song: Eulogy
Album: Ænima
I see this song as being a rise and fall of a leader of some sort (maybe the media). Most people when they get an idea thats unorthodox get a lot of sarcasm. "He had a lot to say, he had a lot of nothing to say" seems to me to be a really sarcastic statement, although the fact that he is singing it makes it hard to hear the sarcasm. The "We'll miss him" is kinda like an addition to the sarcasm of the previous line, although it's like it's also showing some resentment about the crazy, funny guy leaving and not being able to keep them entertained. "So long, we wish you well. You told us how you weren't afraid to die." At this point its like people are telling him "Yeah, sure, I believe you." "Don't cry, or feel too down" is a message of consolation here. To a point, the masses are sorry for him. "Not all martyrs see divinity, but at least you tried." Basically, you put your mind on the chopping block and they dropped the axe. Not a bad attempt. The next verse is the rising to power point, however, due to his previous rejection, he corrupts the idea he had and makes it impure. "Standing above the crowd, he had a voice that was strong and loud." At this point he finds a way to reach the masses. Nobody is able to ignore him because he's is in your face. "Ranting and pointing his finger at everything but his heart." His message is no longer pure but everybody is taking it now and accepting it. Think of it like a preacher saying "You're going to hell because you're a sinner" when he is blind to his own sin. The "we'll miss him" now isn't a "poor guy" kinda thing, now it's more like some people still dont take his idea. "No way to recall what it was that you had said to me, like I care at all." This is actually the man who has risen to power holding resentment for his rejection. The word recall here doesn't mean remember, instead it means no way to take it back, and now he doesn't care what happens to the people who rejected him. "So loud. You sure could yell. You took a stand on every little thing." Nobody is able to avoid the propaganda this guy is putting out, and whenever someone makes a point that he isn't what he appears to be, he makes a stand and gets defensive about every little thing. People even get to the point of basing their whole lives around this idea of his and try to numb their own existences with it "You could be the one to save me from my own existence" (not written lyrics). When "Standing above the crowd, he had a voice that was strong and loud and I swallowed his façade because im so eager to identify with..." people just take it in and accept it without question (much like pop culture). "Will you? Will you now? Would you die for me? Don't you ****ing lie." People start to question if it's really as good for them as they think it is, and when they find out that the person has been feeding them bull****, they start to say "Don't you step out of line! Don't you ****ing lie!" People start to shove this person aside and when he asks why, they tell him "You claimed all this time that you would die for me. Why then are you so surprised to hear your own eulogy? You had a lot to say, you had a lot of nothing to say." *shake your head and slowly walk away* They tell him just to give up and go, never come back. "Come down, get off your ****ing cross." They start looking for the next thing to fulfill their stupid desires "We need the ****ing space to nail the next fool martyr. To ascend you must die, you must be crucified, for our sins and our lies. Goodbye!"

and so thats it. i think i remember someone talking about there being no difference between vhs and dvd with salival. there really is... you get the cd with both, but with the vhs version, you dont get the hush video. its only on the dvd. oh and the toology isnt worth 20¢.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

are you kidding me....

The song is not directly about the traditional interpretation of "fisting" or even fistulas, instead it's using it as an analogy; it's comparing it to the "desensitization" of modern society towards graphic content, as compared to a few decades ago, when censorship was strict ('desensitized to everything/what became of subtlety'). The song is trying to state that in the past, 'something' had to change so that people could be stimulated intellectually. But then constant exposure (or over stimulation) to this material, numbs the person ('this may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to'), so that eventually it takes something REALLY graphic or shocking, to affect the person emotionally or intellectually. Hence the 'finger-knuckle-shoulder' analogy; it's saying that now, it takes more than just a little bit of stimulation for people to feel anything. So the shoulder can be considered as the extreme. It would make sense that this song would be referring to censorship, as the song "Hush", from Opiate, also referred to censorship; only, the issue was addressed more directly in "Hush" than it was in "Stinkfist".

This is they way I have always seen it, as it makes more sense. For a song that really is a straight innuendo reference, 4 degrees off Undertow. The song is basically about rear door lurve, as people who understand the title would know. Plus just read some of the lyrics. Although im sure there is still some way to interpret it differently.

[deadohiosky9]

Does anyone here know why Tool did the 69 track thing on Undertow? I never understood that.

[deadohiosky9]

Ah ok. Thanks.

[IronGland93]

waaay off subject but does anyone know how to make bmp image as an avatar....Thanks

[Dancin' Man]

Convert it to a .Gif

Tweaker (the Doom 3 music) is pretty awesome. More mellow than Tool but good.

[BunnYzWillEAtYoU]

I've never been to a tool show. Gauranteed, next time theyre on tour, im front row. I did see APC however. I think a tool show would be a lot different (except for maynard in the dark like he always is). Lets keep this thread going. I wanna hear about experiences at tool concerts from anyone whose gone to any.

[bobthesalesclerk]

Never saw tool but they will definitly be touring within the next 10 months. Cant wait :)

[deadohiosky9]

Haven't seen Tool either. When they tour next, I'm definetly going to see them. Their show would be awesome. Their live stuff soudns awesome too. A Tool show wud truly be an awesome experience.

[twiggster]

I saw Tool during their Lateralus tour. It was amazing. The opening band was Meshuggah and the crowd got pretty wild during their set. THere was beer being thrown all over the place so I was kinda soaked. I was at the arena extremely early so I was at the very front against the rails...so yep, i had bruises everywhere by the end of the night. Anyway, Tools set was awesome. They opened with Sober and ended with Lateralus, I believe. In between they played Stinkfist, 46&2, Opiate, Schism, Triad(with Meshuggah's drummer), The Grudge, and others (I know that at some point Maynard played guitar). Maynard was in the dark giving his back to the audience(nothing unusual) but nonetheless great! He talked alot about sex and how we should all sit in front of a fireplace, unplug our tv and jack off ourselves into oblivion. When the show was over all four members came to the front of the stage and did a group hug and clapped at the audience. I thought that for sure Maynard would leave immediatly after that but no, he stuck around to throw water bottles, drum sticks, and guitar picks. Oh, that night if I'm not mistaken Maynard made a comment or a joke about a fire. At their previous show the night before they had a little accident and burned their dressing room. Alot of their equipment was damaged. Anyway, AWESOME EXPERIENCE!

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Still haven't seen them, missed the last 3 oppotunities that I had (2 shows in London and the last Ozzfest they did) due to lack of transport/idiot planning from friends. But when APC played support to the Deftones at Wembly arena, I remember that Maynard said after that he would try and make it a definite next tour venue for whatever band came first. (Although I would prefer it if they would come to nottingham, but rock city seems a bit small for a band as big as they are now)

But although i've seen live videos (thanks to whoever posted the video site link btw :thumb: ) I would like to know, what kind of crowd is a Tool concert like? heavy meal moshers or appreciation crowds like APC ones?

[SOAD_Fanatic]

I saw Tool in London in 2001. The crowd was very still and just stood there and listened. There were only 2 crowd surfers (during Parabola). The security guards just stood there yawning, they had no work to do. I've never been to a gig like it before.

[ToolOwnsYou]

Some of you tool fan boys make me sick.
*is a big tool fan*

who? what? when? how? & why?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I think he finds some Tool fans nasty to look at. We are an odd buch after all

[deadohiosky9]

I think he finds some Tool fans nasty to look at. We are an odd buch after all

haha very true

[twiggster]

But although i've seen live videos (thanks to whoever posted the video site link btw :thumb: ) I would like to know, what kind of crowd is a Tool concert like? heavy meal moshers or appreciation crowds like APC ones?


When I attended the concert the crowd was not really what I expected. Too many people were moshing like crazy during "Parabola" and others. There was alot of crowd surfing too. I really thought the crowd would be alot more calm and just really enjoy this concert. I think the only time they calmed down was during "Parabol" and it was probably the only time Maynard faced the audience also. I suppose it was expected from this crowd though. It was the first time a rock band had ever been to this border town in Texas. Alot of people didn't even know who Tool was until then. BUT there were those who actually did know who they were and connected in some way with the band. There was this one guy, I remember, who through the entire set had his hands out as if receiving some kind of power from the band. It was nice. :thumb:

[metalhead81]

hey guys, this stuff has sparked somethin in me to start listenin to more tool. Any suggestions on songs to download?

[deadohiosky9]

Sober, Schism, The Grudge, The Patient, Lateralus, Aenima, Stinkfist, Eulogy, H, Thid Eye, Pu****, Jimmy

[twiggster]

Sober, Schism, The Grudge, The Patient, Lateralus, Aenima, Stinkfist, Eulogy, H, Thid Eye, Pu****, Jimmy

Hooker With a *****, Parabola, Prison Sex, 4degrees, Triad, Opiate, Forty six and 2, etc

[BunnYzWillEAtYoU]

cant forget the balls of satan(die eier von satan)!! and another personal favorite, message to harry manback. oh and faaip de oiad (dont have correct enochian spelling on hand). Whats up with these tracks anyways?? Theyre really weird, but at the same time, I really like em.

btw, thanks to guys who posted concert experiences and feel free to keep em comin.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

cant forget the balls of satan(die eier von satan)!! and another personal favorite, message to harry manback. oh and faaip de oiad (dont have correct enochian spelling on hand). Whats up with these tracks anyways?? Theyre really weird, but at the same time, I really like em.


They are Tools equivilaent of a filler track, but each of them tends to have some hidden meaning, or relevance. And the correct translation is 'Voice of God'

[Paranoidd]

There was this one guy, I remember, who through the entire set had his hands out as if receiving some kind of power from the band. It was nice. :thumb:

He had to be high.

I once saw somebody pop some pills and sit cross-legged on a stage for eight hours straight at a club. Pretty trippy.

[Dancin' Man]

I think he finds some Tool fans nasty to look at. We are an odd buch after all

Speak for yourself

*pulls at pretend medallion in ghetto fasion*

[deadohiosky9]

Tool's equivalent of filler tracks kick as.s

[deadohiosky9]

I was just wondering, how old are most of you guys? I'm 14, and I only know a few Tool fans my age. Most Tool fans I've met in person or online, are older.

[The JoZ]

Tool's equivalent of filler tracks kick as.s

No, they really don't. They are weird for the sake of weird.

Die Eier Von Satan is not bad, and neither is the first Message to Harry Manback.

But the rest of them are garbage.

[twiggster]

I was just wondering, how old are most of you guys? I'm 14, and I only know a few Tool fans my age. Most Tool fans I've met in person or online, are older.

I'm 19

[clearvision]

I'm 15 :) But it seems to me tool appeals to all ages

EDIT : IM actually 16, my birthday was last month :confused: :lol:

[deadohiosky9]

Thats true. Tool does appeal to all ages.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

18 here. Tool seems to mean different things for different age groups, but usually everyone will attempt to discover the deeper meanings at some point. I first heard them at 16 and just liked the 'freaky' videos. But now i've expanded by reading into their messages, discovering their influences and learning and dissecting the music. It has helped me grow spiritually, and has improved my personality. Anyone else found their lifestyle changed when really digging deeper into their music?

[deadohiosky9]

I was very influenced by Tool. I got into them last year. And they really help me sort some things out. Helped me grow spiritually like you siad. Taught me to really think about things for myself. To look at lyrics more closely and carefully, and take something from it. I have learned a good bit from Tool. Thanks Tool.

[twiggster]

But now i've expanded by reading into their messages, discovering their influences and learning and dissecting the music. It has helped me grow spiritually, and has improved my personality. Anyone else found their lifestyle changed when really digging deeper into their music?

Yeah, same here. I first heard of them when I was 14 and I just liked their unique sound cause I had never heard of any other band like them. Then I saw their videos and loved them cause they were weird. But now, I understand them so much more and I love the fact that their songs can be interpreted in many different ways...and yeah, it deffinitly has helped me grow spiritually as well.

[Dancin' Man]

16. My favorite filler is Cesaro Summability. The baby scream is so entirely awesome, it makes me cream my jeans.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

16. My favorite filler is Cesaro Summability. The baby scream is so entirely awesome, it makes me cream my jeans.

I cant listen to that track in public without feeling uneasy about people around me. People begin to think things....... :(

[SOAD_Fanatic]

I don't listen to any of those ridiculous filler tunes. They are a complete waste of time, I want to hear a song not some German prat waffle on about eggs & flour. Thank god System don't put that crap on their cd's. Pearl Jam also puts stuff like that on their albums. Waste of disc space.

[deadohiosky9]

I cant listen to that track in public without feeling uneasy about people around me. People begin to think things....... :(

LOL. I think we have all been influenced by Tool in some way or another. Most Tool fans look into the music, and really try to interpret it. I was really drawn to Tool because of their very unique sound, and their lyrics were amazing. I read some interviews after getting into them, and I was just like whoa. These guys f.ucking rock! A lot of their opinions made sense to me. Learned a lot from Tool. I usually skip over filler tracks.

[bobthesalesclerk]

Man i never skip over any of the filler tracks. . .they rule. Yea Tool has done alot for me as well. Danny Carey is a great influence on me. Cant wait for the new cd and another tour :) .


P.S. Im starting a Danny Carey thread in drums if anyones interested.

[bobthesalesclerk]

Or not its been done to many times.

[joebass]

i think tool is the most important still together today

[BunnYzWillEAtYoU]

16 here. TooL has inspired me to start to write music and create a band once again (ive had like 6 ****ty bands since i was 14). Its cool how tool inspired me cuz thats one of the things maynard says he wants his music to do.

Yeah, im glad tool is still together. When i first started listening to them, i hoped they still were together but i knew i was listening to music that was 8 years old (aenima) or more (opiate). I didnt know anything about them. I am so glad that i'll at least see them in concert the next time around. I hope they come to my venues like 80 times...

[deadohiosky9]

16 here. TooL has inspired me to start to write music and create a band once again (ive had like 6 ****ty bands since i was 14). Its cool how tool inspired me cuz thats one of the things maynard says he wants his music to do.

Yeah, im glad tool is still together. When i first started listening to them, i hoped they still were together but i knew i was listening to music that was 8 years old (aenima) or more (opiate). I didnt know anything about them. I am so glad that i'll at least see them in concert the next time around. I hope they come to my venues like 80 times...

Adam Jones has definetly been a big influence for me on guitar. TOol has also inspired me to start a band.

[SeAmoNKeY]

Lots of people say that all the songs on Aenima sound the same but that is not true, its my favorite tool album and none of them sound the same. I stand in awe of Danny Carey

[twiggster]

tsk, no way in hell do all the songs sound the same. Aenima is also my favorite Tool album...Every single song on that record is awesome. H. is probably one of my favorites from it.

[deadohiosky9]

LOL, thats bull s.hit man. All the songs on Aenima sound the same. lol. That's so not true. Thats another thing I realy like about Tool. Each song is different. THey don't sound the same at all. Aenima is also my favorite Tool album.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Each album has sounded different because unlike most bands around, they have progressed by taking new influences, reaching out to new areas for lyrics/melodies and keep pushing the envelope.
Although one thing I always wondered, there was a large change between Opiate and Undertow, as the lyrics gained more meaning, and the instruments became deeper in their sound. It seems to have been their biggest change, so does anyone have any idea what suddenly influenced them so much, or were they just relasing what trhey had always wanted to release but couldn't with Opiate?

[deadohiosky9]

Each album has sounded different because unlike most bands around, they have progressed by taking new influences, reaching out to new areas for lyrics/melodies and keep pushing the envelope.
Although one thing I always wondered, there was a large change between Opiate and Undertow, as the lyrics gained more meaning, and the instruments became deeper in their sound. It seems to have been their biggest change, so does anyone have any idea what suddenly influenced them so much, or were they just relasing what trhey had always wanted to release but couldn't with Opiate?

Opiate's lyrics seemed to be much more straightforward as opposed to their later albums hidden meaning and metaphors within metaphors. Opiate was just something I think they wanted to release, to show their angry, agressive side. And you are right, the bigggest change is from Opiate to Undertow.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Opiate's lyrics seemed to be much more straightforward as opposed to their later albums hidden meaning and metaphors within metaphors. Opiate was just something I think they wanted to release, to show their angry, agressive side. And you are right, the bigggest change is from Opiate to Undertow.

It was a well structured first album though if you look at it, as it had the heavier, less thought provoking tracks at the start, then the 2 live tracks which gave some indication of what they were capable of live, then finishing on the title track, which contained a lot of opinions on religion, setting the tone for the next album. In fact, if you put most of their tracks in order, there is a progression through them all, not just from album to album (or is it just me?)

[deadohiosky9]

Ya it was very well structured. Introduced them well. Showed what they were capable of, and what they were like. Also brought in some of their opinions, and interesting art work.

[BunnYzWillEAtYoU]

i was listening to lateralus last night with heaphones and really paying attention. i found when i really payed attention i could hear the depth of adam jones for the first time. I only ever payed attention danny and maynard before. I really could see adams depth and style. Especially during the first 9 tracks or so (then i fell asleep as it was like 2 in the morning). many people miss the true talent of jones, imo.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

i was listening to lateralus last night with heaphones and really paying attention. i found when i really payed attention i could hear the depth of adam jones for the first time. I only ever payed attention danny and maynard before. I really could see adams depth and style. Especially during the first 9 tracks or so (then i fell asleep as it was like 2 in the morning). many people miss the true talent of jones, imo.

:wave: I dont

But yes, especially if you're listening late at night, the different things you will find in the songs is the reason I listen to them as much as I do. I found the opposite of you, i've only just discovered the depth to danny's drumming, im usually tuned into Adams riffs

[deadohiosky9]

:wave: I dont

But yes, especially if you're listening late at night, the different things you will find in the songs is the reason I listen to them as much as I do. I found the opposite of you, i've only just discovered the depth to danny's drumming, im usually tuned into Adams riffs

I usually pay attention to Adam's riffs, and Maynard's voice. But lately I've been paying more attention to Danny.

[Kingofdudes]

I want know who is has the better lyrics between in Manson and Tool in your guy's opinions, IMO manson cant touch tool.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Just read the Manson thread, so I get why you're asking. Obviously MJK lyrics are alot deeper than Mansons, his lyrics are getting too cliched IMO.

(and they never were great in the first place, just the odd clever one-liner)

[Kingofdudes]

Just read the Manson thread, so I get why you're asking. Obviously MJK lyrics are alot deeper than Mansons, his lyrics are getting too cliched IMO.

(and they never were great in the first place, just the odd clever one-liner)

:lol: yeah I figure that if that feedthretard guy gets to take a shot at tool, you guys can take a shot at manson

i want to get into more tool, but i dont have any money(I love APC tho)

[Adam Jones is GOD]

:lol: yeah I figure that if that feedthretard guy gets to take a shot at tool, you guys can take a shot at manson

i want to get into more tool, but i dont have any money(I love APC tho)

I think we're a mature bunch here and wouldn't flame. But if he ever posted in here knocking Tool

*Gets shotgun*
Get offa my land, y'hillbilly (Two shots)
:chug:

And im glad to see another person willing to get into Tool, and of course, APC is a good starting point

[Kingofdudes]

I think we're a mature bunch here and wouldn't flame. But if he ever posted in here knocking Tool

*Gets shotgun*
Get offa my land, y'hillbilly (Two shots)
:chug:

And im glad to see another person willing to get into Tool, and of course, APC is a good starting point

hahaha the main reason that I was able to get into APC is because they have them on Rhapsody, but they dont have Tool(bastards).

If I ever get a job I plan on picking up Aenima and Lateralus :thumb:

[deadohiosky9]

Manson has good lyrics, but compared to Tool, no way man. Tool's lyrics blow him away. He has some good lines though. But his lyrics aren't as metaphoric or deep as Tool's.

[bobthesalesclerk]

Yes i completely agree. Tools lyrics are much better than mansons. . .way deeper and take alot more thought to process.

[BunnYzWillEAtYoU]

:wave: I dont

But yes, especially if you're listening late at night, the different things you will find in the songs is the reason I listen to them as much as I do. I found the opposite of you, i've only just discovered the depth to danny's drumming, im usually tuned into Adams riffs

ive been a drummer for five years. The first tool song i ever heard was Sober. When he nailed that opening fill, i stood up and went "****". Then i downloaded some of their stuff from kazaa (i dont do that anymore, its against my *religion* sort of). The next song i heard (other than schism) was the grudge. I just didnt understand like.... what the **** was happening. just had no idea. i really paid attention to the percussion. ive only been playing guitar for 3 years, so i didnt notice too much of adam jones. BTW, is his web site up yet?? And Maynards website too for that matter... ill check.

[deadohiosky9]

Their sites aren't up yet. Only Dany's is.

[The JoZ]

So is Justin going to have a site too?

[BunnYzWillEAtYoU]

Their sites aren't up yet. Only Dany's is.

are you dead ohio sky at the toolshed? probably a dumb question.

[Merkaba]

ok tool fans. i feel like this is relevant. look what somebody tried to get away with in the Songwriting and lyrics forum. i had to stand up for my toolhood.
www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4273395#post4273395post4273395

[twiggster]

Ha! What a joke!

[bobthesalesclerk]

Yea thats about the most blatent tool rip off ive ever seen.

[clearvision]

Mansons lyrics are far more shallow. But i feel he does carry some good lines and rhymes. My favourite is

When you want it, goes away to fast. Times you hated, always seem to last. just remember, when you think you're free. The crack inside your fukin heart is me

Now compare that to my favourite tool line

There's a shadow just behind me,
shrouding every breath I take,
making every promise empty,
pointing every finger at me.
Waiting like a stalking butler
who upon the finger rests.

They are so much deeper and metaphorical. The imagery shines through to me in these lines...more than the literal and true lyrics of manson

[Adam Jones is GOD]

ok tool fans. i feel like this is relevant. look what somebody tried to get away with in the Songwriting and lyrics forum. i had to stand up for my toolhood.
www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4273395#post4273395post4273395

Just goes to show the fine line between influenced and ripping off. I find the same when writing riffs, I often notice that i've stolen Adam's techniques, so its difficult to sound orginal. Although hearing other guitarists more often helps broaden my influences.

[deadohiosky9]

Dude I know! I do that a lot! And I'm like I don't want to copy him. It usually helps listening to some other guitarists.

[deadohiosky9]

are you dead ohio sky at the toolshed? probably a dumb question.

I'm not deadohiosky from toolshed. I didn't even know there was a deadohiosky at toolshed. lol.

[Paranoidd]

Opiate's lyrics seemed to be much more straightforward as opposed to their later albums hidden meaning and metaphors within metaphors. Opiate was just something I think they wanted to release, to show their angry, agressive side. And you are right, the bigggest change is from Opiate to Undertow.

It is just the natural progression nearly all bands go through. A bands first album is almost always rougher, and more raw. Especially since the band is mostly used to live performances. As they progress, they work more and more in the studio and have a high budget, the albums usually become more polished.

Thats one of the only areas in which Tool is very typical.

[deadohiosky9]

Ya. You're right.

[halfdeadhippo]

It is just the natural progression nearly all bands go through. A bands first album is almost always rougher, and more raw. Especially since the band is mostly used to live performances. As they progress, they work more and more in the studio and have a high budget, the albums usually become more polished.

Thats one of the only areas in which Tool is very typical.

Wise words, my friend.

[A_Life_Once_Lost]

Well first off Maynard may worship satan because he was the only child of a baptist minister.. Right now I will say I do not know much about religion so he may have been brought up with so many restrictions he sees jesus christ as the "bad guy" and has turned against the religion.

"Die Eier Von Sataan"

is German for the eggs of satan. This song is just a German recipie (sp) about making some kind of tradtional Germanic dish. My stepdad happens to be from Berlin, so he had just told me what it meant, and it was pretty much like they took a page out of a book and translated it into German. This thread has made me want to go and work on a few songs, so I shall post my finding soon.
oh sure hash cookies is a traditional dish in germany...

[keep on phishin']

alright thats it! im moving to germany.

[FukinRightzDoggy]

Tool is just plain out awesome Lyrics,Musically,and yeh

[Adam Jones is GOD]

This thread is getting a bit dry for anything good at the moment. That means random hypothetical question time!

You can meet any tool member for just 1 minute.
You need to decide:
1) Which member
2) 1 serious question you would ask
3) 1 random/funny/pointless question

This may or may not work, but still, it gives me something to do, ill post mine in a while

[deadohiosky9]

Adam Jones, I would ask him what his life was like as a teenager, what kind of things he was into, and the funny question, how often do u masturbate?

[Last Ditch Effort]

whats Lateralus mean?

[metalhead81]

Iv been listening to tool alot lately and i really like their stuff. But what genre of metal would you classify them under? Not that it matters, Il continue to listen to them because I like them, but just outa curiosity.......

[BunnYzWillEAtYoU]

im not too sure. i think its a muscle in your back that has a lot to do with merkaba. Though, the muscle doesnt seem to actually exist. there is some kind of lateralus muscle in your thigh somewhere. I know. Lets ask merkaba 1. Fill us in merkaba!!

---replying to last ditch effort

[BunnYzWillEAtYoU]

This thread is getting a bit dry for anything good at the moment. That means random hypothetical question time!

You can meet any tool member for just 1 minute.
You need to decide:
1) Which member
2) 1 serious question you would ask
3) 1 random/funny/pointless question

This may or may not work, but still, it gives me something to do, ill post mine in a while

Danny- Can you teach me your technique and how to better myself???----funny one---Can I have your drumset NOW!??---another funny one--Mind if I cover for ya on the next album??

[ben618]

I know what the song "Stinkfist" is about, its about Anal Fisting -_0

"knuckle deep inside the borderline, this may hurt a little but it's something you'll get used to." I thought that sounded right but it's not typical tool lyrics.good song though

[deadohiosky9]

Iv been listening to tool alot lately and i really like their stuff. But what genre of metal would you classify them under? Not that it matters, Il continue to listen to them because I like them, but just outa curiosity.......

Ya I've always been interested to see what other Tool fans would categorize Tool as. I guess I would call them soul metal. lol. Some Tool fans say progressive metal, I don't completely agree with that though.

[bobthesalesclerk]

This thread is getting a bit dry for anything good at the moment. That means random hypothetical question time!

You can meet any tool member for just 1 minute.
You need to decide:
1) Which member
2) 1 serious question you would ask
3) 1 random/funny/pointless question

This may or may not work, but still, it gives me something to do, ill post mine in a while


Already got to meet Danny :)

[bobthesalesclerk]

http://drumrock.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2877&KW=danny+carey

^^^pics of my autographed items and so forth

[swingonaspiral9]

Zaum, anyone else heard them?

I have their demo, from 1996 or so. It is pretty good, with Danny's great drumwork. Email me if anyone wants it, I can send it through my ISP.

I also have the Children Of The Anachronistic Dynasty album, "Fingernails" and the TexANS album "Never Again." Same, email me if you want them.

swingonaspiral@charter.net

[twiggster]

hey swingonaspriral, how do Children of the Anachronistic Dynasty sound? Pretty good, i'm thinking but just wanted to know...are they anything like Tool..i mean, lyrically or musically? I've never heard any of their stuff. I've heard some of Texans but not them.

[deadohiosky9]

I emailed you singonaspiral. How did you get the album?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

http://drumrock.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2877&KW=danny+carey

^^^pics of my autographed items and so forth

What show/band did you get them at? I know he's been really cool about fans during the PLC shows, meeting as many as he can after shows.

(Pity they wont tour England, not known at all here)

And as for how tool is classified i would have to put them under prog metal, but im against any kind of music classification, it only helps music stores and playlists.

[deadohiosky9]

What show/band did you get them at? I know he's been really cool about fans during the PLC shows, meeting as many as he can after shows.

(Pity they wont tour England, not known at all here)

And as for how tool is classified i would have to put them under prog metal, but im against any kind of music classification, it only helps music stores and playlists.

Haha. Ya you're right man. Musical classifications only help the music stores and play lists.

[deadohiosky9]

I was listening to C.A.D., and their music reminded me a lot of the track Third Eye.

[Merkaba]

Anybody else seen the Astoria bootleg, with the kickass Push it ??!!

[The JoZ]

This thread is getting a bit dry for anything good at the moment. That means random hypothetical question time!

You can meet any tool member for just 1 minute.
You need to decide:
1) Which member
2) 1 serious question you would ask
3) 1 random/funny/pointless question

This may or may not work, but still, it gives me something to do, ill post mine in a while

1) Justin
2) How do you find inspiration for your killer basslines?
3) Is Maynard as ****ed up as he makes himself out to be?

[Dancin' Man]

1) Which member
2) 1 serious question you would ask
3) 1 random/funny/pointless question

1) Adam
2) Is your writing a fully collaborative effort or more just one person has a full idea and the rest follow it.
3) Would you like to start a band with me?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

1) Which member
2) 1 serious question you would ask
3) 1 random/funny/pointless question

1) Adam
2) Is your writing a fully collaborative effort or more just one person has a full idea and the rest follow it.
3) Would you like to start a band with me?

Ok, no need to post mine now, its just been said :lol:

[an_underused_memory]

Hey all, great thread,
I've just discovered it and spent all evening reading all 16 **** pages to check what i've been missing.
and so now I have a couple of points to bring up:

1) it was mentioned a while ago that thoughts re APC would be welcome here too...does that still stand, and if so may i get the ball rolling sometime soon?

2) whats everyones suggestions for other music to listen between playings of tool?
I enjoy a million and one bands but only count myself as a fan of a few, so i'd be interested to hear what other directions you have all taken.

and i thought of one more:
3) any other Australian toolheads wandering around in here?
love to hear from ya

ok, so I said two new branches in my title....but really, anyone into Danny Carey should be used to that 3-against-2 feel ;)

cheers - a_u_m

[Hero of the Day]

1) Adam
2) where do you see Tool being in 10 years?
3) whats with that video of Maynard beating up a guy on stage?

[Merkaba]

he didnt beat him up, more like , subdued him in self defense causes, plus the guy loved it, as would i, cause maynard does the rest of Push it on the guys back with the mic cord rapped around his neck. awesome. I let my drummer borrow it in my last band and i never got it back after we split up...bastids!

[EonBlueApcolyps]

he just tackels him to the ground and stis on top of him and continues to sing

[deadohiosky9]

I've never heard about Maynard sitting on top of someone and singing. Thats funny though.

[deadohiosky9]

If you guys haven't already been to this Tool fan site, its f.ukcing awesome. Lots of great info., wallpapers, quotes, etc. Here is the link Tool (http://www.toolpantheon.com)

[Adam Jones is GOD]

he didnt beat him up, more like , subdued him in self defense causes, plus the guy loved it, as would i, cause maynard does the rest of Push it on the guys back with the mic cord rapped around his neck. awesome. I let my drummer borrow it in my last band and i never got it back after we split up...bastids!

:lol: I saw that video (sitting on my PC at mo), and its great the 'position' he sits on the guy. Security must have sucked at that show though

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Hey all, great thread,
I've just discovered it and spent all evening reading all 16 **** pages to check what i've been missing.
and so now I have a couple of points to bring up:

1) it was mentioned a while ago that thoughts re APC would be welcome here too...does that still stand, and if so may i get the ball rolling sometime soon?

2) whats everyones suggestions for other music to listen between playings of tool?
I enjoy a million and one bands but only count myself as a fan of a few, so i'd be interested to hear what other directions you have all taken.

and i thought of one more:
3) any other Australian toolheads wandering around in here?
love to hear from ya

ok, so I said two new branches in my title....but really, anyone into Danny Carey should be used to that 3-against-2 feel ;)

cheers - a_u_m

First of all, welcome! And kudos for you for reading all the pages, lots of good stuff here at the moment.

1) APC, PLC, Peach, Zaum, Aloke (tabla guy), Volto, etc. All these can be discussed here, anything that is related to tool, whether it be side projects, influences or other links. (I personally would like to find someone else who enjoys the work of Bill Hicks) All ok to discuss here, im sure that most Tool fans have a wide range of tastes

2) All of the above, plus Dream theatre and opeth seem to be two other bands that tool fans like al lot, due to meaningful lyrics and layered instruments

3) Not an aussie sorry, but I have great respect for the guys (although like I've mentioned before, i wanna find one stertypical aussie, just one!)

[swingonaspiral9]

I got all that stuff I said off of DC++ (downloading). I also have (almost) all the Tool bootlegs and the rare stuff, etc.

C.A.D. sounds very.. different. Sort of an industrial sound for the 80s.

Zaum is pretty good, like one of their songs' titles goes, it's a Psychedelic Experience. They also have a song called Merkaba, but has no musical relation to Tool's. The backing sound/voice in Psychedelic Experience is also the backing sound in Tool's Merkaba.

Regarding Bill Hicks... greatest man to ever live. I have a bunch of his stuff too, and it's all great.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Regarding Bill Hicks... greatest man to ever live. I have a bunch of his stuff too, and it's all great.

Good man! I just bought the book 'Love all the people' which is great to read and pick out where Maynard got influences from. tragedy that he's no longer here, I really wish that they would repeat one of his shows on TV though, especially some of the Channel 4 ones

[deadohiosky9]

I wanna see this Maynard video! Does anyone out here, have any good reading recommendations? Like some books Tool related? Like Adam Jones is God mentioned that Bill Hicks book. Any more?

[deadohiosky9]

I just saw that Maynard video. Its hilarious!

[an_underused_memory]

Thanks Adam Jone is GOD,
Something I've found puzzling is that in all the dissertations about Aenima the song, I can't remember anyone mentioning that a whole section of some Bill Hicks shows was devoted the "shrieks and f***ing gut-laughs" that he'd enjoy when L.A. finally collapses into Arizona Bay, like a religious experience of the christian god flooding the world in the Noah tale.
Just thought i'd mention it....i'll try and find the exact show i'm thinking of, but really its hard to go past the CD that Hicks actually titled Arizona Bay!

Oh, and Opeth is already a fave, Dream theatre i've yet to enjoy, but i really should...anyone have any other listening ideas, perhaps local groups that haven't ventured as far as the land down under yet??

keep cool all,
a_u_m

[Merkaba]

hey is there a link on the net to get that particular portion of the boot(that one song)? thats really all i want...for now....Push it. plus its one of my fave songs.

[Paranoidd]

This is odd....

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4031330339&rd=1

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Hmm, I would say he's proably looking to make easy scam money, but with his ebay reputation, why? It wont be Tool in any case, if it is, its unauthorised stuff. Ill dig deeper

[Dancin' Man]

He can afford to have negative feedback. That's the secret for big sellers. One in 200 sales can be completely bogus or a scam and it won't matter because your feedback won't sink very much.

[incubliss]

as i don't really feel like reading over the past 400 posts, could someone sum up all the specualation about the new album in one post?

is there a release date? a name for the album? any new download only songs out? stuff like that.

ta.

[Dancin' Man]

There will be a new album. It will be released eventually. There will be songs.

[Paranoidd]

It's going to be a little harder, since they toured with Meshuggah. According to Danny Carey, at least.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

It's going to be a little harder, since they toured with Meshuggah. According to Danny Carey, at least.

He also commented on one song that they completed which was 'one of the greatest pieces of music he worked on'. i see this as a good omen especially at the band's reaction when they first played 'The Grudge' was a similar one, and look what happened from there.

[deadohiosky9]

Well thats good to hear. I can't wait for the next Tool album, and tour. Its gonna kick a.ss.

[stumpetioto]

omg i aint being an *** or anything but i was on holiday and i was zooming over this whole thread it started off amazing i was gonna get my old book out and write down of what i thought tool songs were aobut but now its changed to "omg danny is so cool" or "omg adam is brilliant at guitar" christ on a bike cmon get back to sharing your thoughts on tool instead of that that was on one of the rules please this was such an amazing thread dont ruin it

[KiLlErC]

watch that band suckit up to kill the name off tool' on there next cd. haha--- aenemia still theyre best cd, the last was cool other than that- I get bored listening to them sometimes. dont get me wrong theyre all talented but something about them makes me sleepy. laterz

[Adam Jones is GOD]

omg i aint being an *** or anything but i was on holiday and i was zooming over this whole thread it started off amazing i was gonna get my old book out and write down of what i thought tool songs were aobut but now its changed to "omg danny is so cool" or "omg adam is brilliant at guitar" christ on a bike cmon get back to sharing your thoughts on tool instead of that that was on one of the rules please this was such an amazing thread dont ruin it

Agree in entirety, most of the people who were giving intelligent comments on here have either not posted for ages, or got lazy. as for me, I've not had time to recently, with exam results and all, but I am looking to evaluate more tracks of Undertow in depth.

If this thread became more intelligent again, it should remain aroubnd the first two pages more often, rather than me or another OTG having to retrieve it from the depths of.....page 8?!

[stumpetioto]

my thoughts on schism.........

i know most people do the lyric thing but i dont have the time so im just gonna jot down what i think it is about
its always been aobut the catholic and prodestant thing to me cuz up in northern ireland (i live in the south sadly i want to move back to england)its horrible in one place there is a catholic church in prodestand area and all hell broke loose and the lyric "between supposed brothers" has made me think it was aobut it its weird

[stumpetioto]

here **** i forgot to add this but merkaba ive been very interested in merkaba for a couple of months now and i just wanted to talk to someone about it so if you do my e-mail adress is stumpy4_2@hotmail.com

[deadohiosky9]

my thoughts on schism.........

i know most people do the lyric thing but i dont have the time so im just gonna jot down what i think it is about
its always been aobut the catholic and prodestant thing to me cuz up in northern ireland (i live in the south sadly i want to move back to england)its horrible in one place there is a catholic church in prodestand area and all hell broke loose and the lyric "between supposed brothers" has made me think it was aobut it its weird

That makes sense. But i Think Schism is about communication, or lack of communication. The entire album is about communication also. I could be wrong though.

[stumpetioto]

here i know this is going against the stuff i said (well not really) but did anyone know that maynard use to be a comedian???
he was

[deadohiosky9]

here i know this is going against the stuff i said (well not really) but did anyone know that maynard use to be a comedian???
he was

Hm.. I didn't know that. But he is a really funny guy. Some of the things he says are f.uckin hilarious.

[stumpetioto]

i was just listening to the patient and here is my thoughts on it


i always thought the patient was about the wait for death but also mokery of organized religiong more so aobut the wait for death it just reminds me aobut the people around her they cling onto god as an escape cuz they know there gonna die and its always kinda been like that for me?

[stumpetioto]

does faaip de ooaid scare anyone else after they found out what the story was behind it?

[deadohiosky9]

I don't know the story behind it. Does anyone mind explaining?

[deadohiosky9]

At Toolshed, it said that Faaip de Oiad was a call that someone made to a radio show, claiming to be an Area 51 employee and that the government was out to get him. He later admitted that it was a hoax. Was that the story behind it? Or is there more?

[stumpetioto]

08 Jun 03
FAAIP DE OIAD: IAIAD DE MAHORELA
Shortly after the release of Tool’s ‘Lateralus’ CD, late-night talk radio personality Art Bell began to receive thousands of emails from listeners informing him that their favorite band had used a sound-clip from his show on their latest CD. A few days later, Art obtained a copy of Lateralus and for the next week or so began to express an interest in doing an interview with the writer of the band’s website (me) or any of the band members themselves about their experiences at the perimeter of Area 51 and the connection with the last track on Lateralus entitled Faaip de Oiad. Sometime later Art sent me an email asking if I "and perhaps another" would agree to do an interview on his Coast to Coast AM program. I suggested to Art that Danny do the interview with me, as he was the band member that was the most knowledgeable on the subject, and because Faaip de Oiad was his personal piece on Lateralus. Due to problems in scheduling (the band was touring at the time), and the personal problems that were soon to plague Art, the interview never occurred. Art has since retired due to medical problems, but had the interview taken place, this, the untold story behind Faaip de Oiad, is what Danny and I would have discussed. With one exception. We would not have made the 911 connection (in relation to the Twin Towers tragedy for the obvious reason that it hadn’t yet happened).

[stumpetioto]

PART ONE: MJK DID NOT WRITE THE WORDS

I still receive a lot of email about the live version of the ‘hidden’ track, Faaip de Oiad that was performed during the latter stages of the Lateralus tour which, as I explained sometime last year, would most likely be included on the new dvd (no release date yet, I’m sorry to report). I also still get quite a few questions as to the precise meaning of the Enochian title, Faaip de Oiad (Voice of God), and the strange circumstances surrounding the frantic, some would say paranoid, voice that can be heard on the track from the Tool CD. Rather than answer all the emailers individually, I have decided that it’s finally time to explain how the piece initially came about, how the original idea was aborted to better fit with the Lateralus concept, and the truly bizarre coincidences surrounding both the original version as planned by Danny and myself along with the recorded version in which Danny utilized the voice on the "Area 51 caller line", during which time a mysterious satellite outage abruptly knocked the ‘Coast to Coast AM’ radio program and various other broadcasts temporarily off the air on the night of September 11, 1997 (yes, that’s right: 911).

[stumpetioto]

First, let me clear up one thing once and for all. Evidently there are a lot of Tool fans who still think that the words that can be heard on the track were written (and uttered) by MJK (some saying that it’s similar to "Cesaro Summability" from AEnima). This is simply NOT TRUE. The obviously distraught caller was real (whether he was perpetrating a hoax or not still remains to be determined, this despite the belief by many that this same person later called back and admitted to Art that he was in fact responsible for the deception). In fact, for what ever reason, I had been recording the program that night, and it was my cassette tape that Danny used on the track. Those interested can probably listen to a copy of the original broadcast in the MP3 format that’s available via the Internet. This recording will also contain Art Bell’s voice, with his questions and responses that were edited out by Danny for use on Faaip de Oiad. For those who can’t quite make out what the caller is saying, here is a transcript (complete with verbal place holders) that was taken from the COAST TO COAST AM radio program hosted by Art Bell and transmitted from Pahrump, NV (near Area 51). There is one line in particular that will take on a new meaning in the upcoming text, but for now, read it in innocence.

[stumpetioto]

TRANSCRIPT (9-11-97)

"I, I don’t have a whole lot of time. Um, OK, I’m a former employee of Area 51. I, I was let go on a medical discharge about a week ago and, and... [chokes] I’ve kind of been running across the country. ****, I don’t know where to start, they’re, they’re gonna, um, they’ll triangulate on this position really soon. Ok, um, um, Ok, what we’re thinking of as, as aliens, they’re extradimensional beings, that, an earlier precursor of the, um, space program they made contact with. They are not what they claim to be. Uh, they’ve infiltrated a, a lot of aspects of, of the military establishment, particularly the Area 51. The disasters that are coming, they, the military, I’m sorry, the government knows about them. And there’s a lot of safe areas in this world that they could begin moving the population to now. They are not! They want those major population centers wiped out so that the few that are left will be more easily controllable."

At that point, for about 30 minutes, the entire transmitting system went down. The network’s communication satellite, GE-1, lost 50 channels (including Art’s broadcast) possibly due to some EMP generator. The loss of communication (uplink transmitter) was believed to be caused when the "earth sensor lost lock", meaning that it no longer pointed to the earth station. Unaware that he had been knocked off the air, Art continued to speak with the terrified whistle-blower over the phone for about a minute until, as he later told the audience, he heard a scream and the phone was disconnected. After some dead air, engineers at the network put in an old tape of Art interviewing Mark Furman (of O.J. fame). Finally, by using a 56k digital phone line, Art came back on the air live (although at this point, even his analog "hotline" went out, thereby cutting off any communication with network engineers). After the satellite outage, one of the first callers to the show was a person who claimed to be part of the Area 51 security force. He explained to Art that the network had been "pulsed" and that Art "would not hear from the [triangulated] caller again." According to this person, those with Area 51 security were "professional cleaners" who "dig lots of holes in the desert" and "use a lot of acid." Later on, I’ll be discussing a few speculations as to what might have occurred on that night of 911, and offer another possibility that, to my knowledge, no one else has yet considered.

[stumpetioto]

FAAIP DE OIAD: IAIAD DE MAHORELA

PART TWO: A DEFECTIVE MACHINE?

It was many years ago that a certain reverb unit of Danny’s began acting rather strangely, emitting a sound as it went funny (i.e. malfunctioned?) that so fascinated him, that it, perhaps, inspired a song title. It was during that night, as Danny frantically rushed about the loft to sample the machine’s death-throes that I knew he would someday put the **** thing on a recording. But, like I said, this was many years ago. Moments later (the deed done) we were back up at the makeshift bar in the place, having a beer or twelve pack or two, and the whole thing was forgotten. Or at least I had forgot about it. When Lateralus was still in the writing/arranging stage, and it came time for Danny to start thinking about ‘his’ piece - something on the lines of ‘IONS’ from AEnima, but a bit more elaborate, I suggested that he do something using the Enochian (or Angelic) language of Dr. John Dee and Edward Kelley’s occult experiments with extradimensional intelligences (if that’s what they in fact were).

Initially Danny seemed to like the idea, enough so that I quickly began to write out some verses in the Enochian language that he (or, better yet, Maynard) could vocalize. We thought that using a vocoder would create the most powerful effect (especially with the 20 frequency band Sennheiser VSM-201 analog vocoder that Danny owns, this being the famous model used by Kraftwerk and others{including the voices of the droids on the film Star Wars}, of which there are only a few [3 is the number that I’ve heard] in the world. (NOTE: the Sennheiser vocoder takes a carrier sound such as a synth waveform, etc. and articulates that sound with a person’s voice or other incoming audible signal that can analyzed via the 20 channels of band-pass filters to achieve unique sounds and multi-modulations). Accompanied by the broken (?) reverb unit and with Danny’s various vintage synths, we thought the effect could be truly haunting.

But things don’t always go according to plans. Although I had written the Enochian verses, there was a sudden push to get Lateralus finished, and the complexities of doing the track as it was originally planned were outweighed by other considerations. Also, as I mentioned earlier, the Enochian piece didn’t seem to fit with the rest of Lateralus. Having already given Danny my cassette copy of the ex-employee on the "Area 51 Caller Line" from Art’s Coast to Coast AM show, he decided to use it in the background of a piece he wrote using the noise of the "higher-evolved’ machine [i.e. defective reverb unit] he sampled along with some nice touches he added with his EMS Synthi AKS (another very rare piece of equipment). And so that’s what was recorded (at the loft studio) for the Lateralus CD. Now, if you think that the series of coincidences surrounding the "triangulated" Art Bell caller were strange, wait until you hear about what happened to me as I was working on the Enochian verses (which, at the time, Danny was still planning on using for ‘his’ piece on the recording).

[stumpetioto]

FAAIP DE OIAD: IAIAD DE MAHORELA

PART THREE: THE GREATEST DIFFICULTY: PRONUNCIATION OF ENOCHIA

This part of the story occurred in January of 2000, several days after the "Y2K" flop. I was back in the Midwest, in the small town of O’Fallon, Illinois, celebrating my mother’s birthday. After the holidays, I had a few days with little to do in my sleepy hometown before returning to Los Angeles. I would spend most of the day and nights in my parent’s house (before they moved) working on the correct pronunciations of my Enochian verses. I had several Enochian Dictionaries with me, and each contained a discussion and system (or guidelines) on how to pronounce Enochia, something that few if any occultists or language scholars know for sure. (NOTE: as with most systems of magick, the slightest error, whether with a Call, an invocation/evocation or the construction of a sigil, can be potentially disastrous to the operator.) Among other sources, I had GMICALZOMA by Leo Vinci, a special edition of THE GOETIA translated by Aleister Crowley (?), THE COMPLETE ENOCHIAN DICTIONARY by Laycock and Skinner, A TRUE AND FAITHFUL RELATION... edited by Meric Casaubon and THE ENOCHIAN WORLD OF ALEISTER CROWLEY by Duquette and Hyatt (Ph.D). Working with another person who had a great deal of knowledge on the subject, we had previously decided upon which pronunciation to use for reasons which I shall not explain at this time. For three days and nights I practiced the Calls, or, to be more accurate, the verses that I had assembled, for that is what they were, each time without feeling or visualizing the slightest thing. In short, I wasn’t in any way attempting to skry in the Aethyrs or to summon the Enochian denizens, whatever they were. I was just trying to learn the pronunciation so that I could teach it to Danny, or Maynard, or whoever was going to sing/recite the verses through the vocoder. For those interested, the verses were: ENOCHIAN WITH ENGLISH TRANSLATION: "TORZU!/ Arise! AAO HUBARDO TIBBP/ Amongst the lanterns of sorrow. TZAMRAN/ Appear AAF NOR MOLAP/ Amongst the sons of men IZIPOP/ From the highest vessels, FOARGT VRAN/ The dwelling place of the elders LUCIFTIAS PIRIPSOL/ In the brightness of the heavens."

Having a plane to catch the next morning, I put away my notes and went to bed around 2:00 am. I had been sleeping soundly the other nights in my parent’s house, but on this particular night, I suffered (the word I choose to use here) an incredibly lucid and disturbing dream (if, in fact, it was a dream - I’m still not sure). This dream or vision seemed to involve something that was attempting to overpower me in some way. I tried to fight off the astral attack, or whatever it was that wanted me to surrender to it, but I felt somewhat paralyzed, with my flailing arms stuck, to use Whitley Strieber’s words, in "electrified tar." The thing I saw is almost impossible to describe. It seemed to be some elaborate geometric construction, a bit like the qabalistic Tree of Life diagram, but somehow different. Actually, it seemed like a pyramid or structure of sorts that was composed of smallish beings, horribly clownlike and mechanized, who were juggling orbs of luminous multicolored energy in an extremely fast and deft manner. The whole thing was completely alien to my mind, and if it was attempting to communicate something to me, whatever it was I hadn’t the faintest idea. The motion of the orbs of ‘energy’, the strange geometry of the living construction, and the vividity of the unusual colors all made me feel rather dizzy.

I remember suddenly waking up feeling out of breath, the colors of whatever it was still burned into my retinas. I thought I had suffered a nightmare, but I remember laughing to myself and saying in a faint voice: "God****, that **** really works." What struck me the most funny was the idea of Enochian entities parading around in my parents’ house. After checking the time (It was around 4:20 AM I remember) and scribbling down what I perceived, I soon fell back asleep. The next morning, I woke up and had a friend drive me to the airport. On the flight home, I didn’t think too much about the dream or vision, about what caused it or what it might have meant. I was just glad to be going back to the warmth of southern California. After landing at LAX, I grabbed a shuttle van and within an hour was back in my apartment. I remember that the first thing that I did was to turn on my Sangean ATS 818 cs radio (yes, I’m smiling too), to see who Art Bell had on the show as I unpacked and checked my mail and phone messages. Well, Art’s guests that night turned out to be two police officers from small Midwestern towns. In fact, they were from the very place that I had just returned from. I quickly realized that they were talking about some kind of major UFO event that had occurred in St. Clair County, Illinois and at approximately (I could justifiably say exactly) the same time that I suffered from the bizarre ‘dream’ which, perhaps, was the result of my experimenting with the Enochia.

TO BE CONTINUED...

BMB

[deadohiosky9]

Wow. Thats really interesting and creepy.

[deadohiosky9]

Where did you get all that info from?

[stumpetioto]

from tools official site

[Adam Jones is GOD]

stumpetioto, thank you! I've been after that article for ages, as I was discussing Enochian with someone on here pages back, and couldn't find that story. Some of the articles on toolband are fascinating, although dried up recently. And for any regular to the site who hasnt found the secret stuff (hidden in the 'meat'), read the rennes experience too, as well as see the hidden images

[stumpetioto]

yeah i have found a good few and your welcome there is a few good but mroe ive got saved ony my comp for ages and im glad i could help

[stumpetioto]

here adam jones is god do you know much about enochian cuz i badly need someone to talk to about it

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I dont know loads, its more of a passing interest, and I have only really started to scratch the surface. Do you already know a bit about it or are you wanting to learn more? If so, I find this site interesting http://www.schuelers.com/enochian/

[stumpetioto]

i need to know some stuff a good place to start off and stuff its always been an interest in mine but ive really only started to e botherd with it tbh

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Well then that site is a nice starting point, it gives some reading recommendations, as (unless I cant find any) there isnt that much on enchonian around the net.

BUT WORD OF WARNING! As from Blairs experience, it can be a risky thing to actually attempt to practice, even if you dont believe in the spirtual world, etc.
(But it is fun to learn random phrases :thumb:)

[Dancin' Man]

Wow, that's really interesting. But, as I feel with most of Tool's "beliefs", it a hoax. I think they enjoy confusing people and making us think about bizarre things to keep our minds open. Maybe I'm just a cynic.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Are you referring to enochian as a hoax? Or the experiences? As I know that enochian is a definite belief/ritualsitic cult, its something danny especially draws from, look on his official site, it explains about the certain way he sets up his drums, the large gong, etc.
As for blairs experience, I can honestly believe him, although he has a few other tall tales, but the guy is a deciple of Tool and delivers their message (although he is swaying off subject at the moment)

But if you have doubts, no problem, maybe it is a big Tool hoax again, but like they always say, as long as something positive is drawn from it, then whatever it is does not concern them

[Dancin' Man]

The experiences. I'm sure many peopel believe firmly in enochian but I don't think Tool do. I think they know they can make other people think and become interested in all of it if they pretend to be or at least leave traces of these things.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

They may not believe in it, but like I said, it is an influence on Danny. Most of the symbols on his kicks drums and rest of his set up are enochian. I dont believe that he does carry out the rituals though, so I think we probably are on the same level here

[Dancin' Man]

I also think Danny is the most interested in all of these things. Adam and Justin seem not so interested (since I haven't heard anything about any of it from either of them). Maynard I think is the one that likes to **** with people.

[stumpetioto]

adam is pretty interesting justin probably just likes to keep private thats all
and maynard just wants to take the piss let him

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Justin's focus has a lways seemed to be on the music more than anything else, and he hasn't really been exposed to the spiritual views like the others (England isn't a great place for a musician to have any chance to discover much spirituality, thank god for the net).
Adam has always been the artistic approach member, and it's always been a fear that his passion for creativness one day will see him put down the 6 string (more paranoia than truth), but its another form of artistic expression. danny of course, the spiritual member, and Maynard the clown with the hidden message (everyday I see his Bill Hicks influence in greater light.





Having read what I put im quite disgusted how I jus tbelittled each memebr to a few words. Shame on me :(

[stumpetioto]

lol dw yeah justin is more aobut the music always has been

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Yeah, just go back and listen to the music he did before with Peach for quality from Justin, he WAS peach IMO, he even sang on a track called Dougal. No wonder Tool snapped him up so quickly

[stumpetioto]

disposition

my thoughts on disposition
i kind of think it is aobut a relationship of any sort and there just sitting there and there waiting for osmeone to make a move to talk well thats what i always picture in my mind i also kinda thing the weather=mood the albums mood changes anyone else kinda think that

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Disposition, Relection and Triad used to be one larger song, so its interesting to see if the meanings behind each are viewed in a similar light or whether they have taken on new forms. I do agree with the change in the albums mood, it certinally is one of the more subdued pieces of music Too l have worked on, as it encorporates new instruments from Maynard along with new riff ideas from Justin and Adam. I havent analysed the lyrics fully myself yet, I concentrate more on the instrumentals usually, but like I said, once I get time, il share my thoughs on the song/s again.

Good to see this returning to the thread though, a bit of intelligent thought collaborating and sharing

[stumpetioto]

yeah the new exotic instruments were brilliant im gonna post aobut parabol when i get my thoughts up i wish we could do about a perfect circle thats a walk in the park

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Nothing stopping APC conversations, 99% of Tool fans love to talk about APC as well. The lyrics are less deep though I admit, as it is Maynard's 'vacation' band in a way, but he still puts some good thoughts into the lyrics

[stumpetioto]

[/I]third eye

my thoughts on third eye
ive always thought third eye was more than just about opening your third eye its kinda been about some mentally challenged guy and he goes to this park "came out to watch you play why you running away" cuz if anyone does that they claim he is a paedophile and he just wants to get away i know i ahve ****ed up meanings but i try meh

[theelburritos]

I'am a very large Tool fan. I own all tool albums including the Tool string orchestra piece and seen them as well as APC 4 times. But tool fans really do make me think. The inner meanings of there songs are very interesting and always contreversial but I really think you need to leave your rooms or basements and live your lives. I enjoy listening to tool late at night and am always intregued with this magnificent band which may be the most talented 1-4 on the planet but if your gonna spend hours writing, picking apart songs for meaning, you should sit and think about your own meanings in life and not worry about Marnard disliking religion (by the way, i dislike religion as well) or talk about the "walls" of racial divide (i'am totally against rascism) or ramble on about satans special brownies (dieier von satan). Tool is about provoking thought in its listeners, not tearing apart what maynards (or any other members) thoughts are. You need to take an "intermission" and take Tool for the pure musical beauty and menevillence that it is and not worry about which churches are wrong or female prostitutes with male genitalia. This is why i never liked tool fans in general, because there far to serious. Like the gentlmen/woman that started this thread. What is "don't spam or you'll regret it" supposed to mean. Is he/she gonna kill me or put a bug in my computer or terminate me from this thread. He/she lives in a world of rules where anything that isn't part of the plan isn't endorsed because he/she trying to be a god and control the flow of thought in his/hers and other peoples lives and free thinking is the basis of tool. This individual is trying to be somesort of god and the idea of god is somthing which maynard does not endorse so basically you are defying everthing you say you stand for by hindering free thought. I like, listen to, and play punk music which really stands for free thinking. Not crappy pop punk, but classic punk rock like the dead kennedys and the clash and operation ivy, all of which deal with real life issues, unlike Tool. Issues of government, racism, sexism, ect. conflicts that happen and effect our every day lives. Im sure many of you discard me as a punk lovin' loser that has a mohawk, and is angry at my parents, and just wants to make noise and has little muscianship. None of those statments are true. The important part is that Tool is a superior band to nearly all but i'am more of a tool fan than most of you, as i live in the tool mindset, live free thinking and not worry about what maynard thinks about the subject of the week even though he is right much more often than not. I don't live by artificaily placed rules that this thread is really about and most tool fans in all fairness. Most of you follow Maynard and his lyrics like a bible, disecting his words and trying to discover what makes him tick. Well, Mayanrd aswell as myself don't want you to take that path of blind belife. Im not sure if you found this helpful, you probably want to steamroll my crusty remains on the pavment of your driveway, but i think this is what Tool is really about. Tool's greatness is at a level which no words cannot describe but i think Maynard has a hidden message that your just not getting. Contradict yourselfs as you may, your living the lives you say you hate. thank you and good night.

[an_underused_memory]

Dude....
it must be relieving to get that off your chest, hey??!
I assume you realised that most of us...well me, anyway...would take exception to what you wrote. If Tool is about provoking thought, then why should we keep those thoughts bottled up, it seems like a logical idea to have a thread such as this in which to share them. One man's "provoked thought" is another's "tearing apart" I guess.

For one, you belittle anyone who dares to dissect the meaning of a maynard lyric, claiming your own superiority for taking an interest in an alternate way. It seems to me that you're proscribing your veiw to us - I.e. that anyone who picks apart a song is blindly following, rather than discovering, therefore we shouldn't attempt such a dissection.
You're entitled to your opinion of course. But I don't think that having a different opinion means you can develop a superiority complex.
I agree that some analysts can go a little far and attach a concrete definition to a song, or perhaps get a little sacred about our fave band.
But i think most would agree that decyphering meaning in lyrics as is done in this thread is, to use a cliche, more a jounrey than a destination. As long as I don't let my vision become obscured, I think pondering these meanings is a worthy past-time, as I am fascinated by the way each tool song reflects different interpretations depending the light it is held under.
I think the anti-spam thing was meant to encourage free-speech in here, rather than hinder it, and yes, i agree that it may have worded a little strongly, but i didn't really take offence, cause I gave the thread starter the benefit of the doubt at being a reasonable person.
As to Tool having no connection to "real-life issues" like "government, racism, sexism etc" I'm sure most would argue very strongly against that. I think the theme of Tool is to evolve, see reality and question our actions, which in a nutshell encompasses all the above topics. Maybe the specifics aren't mentioned, like an abstract painting, but the subject can still be there, you let your thinking spiral out a little.
The difference is, that I am willing to admit that I may be wrong, and that its possible for this interpretation to be correct simulatneously with opposing veiws. Such is the beauty of free and open discussion.
For now I think the idea you talk about - living in the tool free-thinking mindset - is better practised than preached (myself included since i'm preaching at the moment, methinks). I think having this openness would preclude the assumptions you make about how we percieve others, and other styles like punk music.
I apologize for ranting for so long, but I felt a reply was justified. I'm content just to follow my will and whim - who knows, we just go where no ones been.
And that'd be a neat trick.
Cheers,
a_u_m

[stumpetioto]

man you do put up a good fight and i know what you mean aobut tool fans but this is just really a bit of fun dont take it too seriously

[Adam Jones is GOD]

First negative coment i've read here, and it sadness me to read it. I must state the other side of the argument.

but I really think you need to leave your rooms or basements and live your lives

I think sterotyping people on here is harsh, most of us are creative individuals who when not sharing our ideas, are out creating music, art, or simply leading their lives how they see fit.

Tool is about provoking thought in its listeners, not tearing apart what maynards (or any other members) thoughts are.

Right and wrong. It does provoke thoughts by analysing the lyrics and melodies and drawing our own ideas from them, not trying to find the exact meaning that was meant. However, there are some fans who are more into individual members, and find facination in the way they think. This is why some will look deeper at lyrics.

This is why i never liked tool fans in general, because there far to serious

Look for other posts from me or any other poster here. You will see that most of us are far from 'serious'

Like the gentlmen/woman that started this thread. What is "don't spam or you'll regret it" supposed to mean. Is he/she gonna kill me or put a bug in my computer or terminate me from this thread. He/she lives in a world of rules where anything that isn't part of the plan isn't endorsed because he/she trying to be a god and control the flow of thought in his/hers and other peoples lives and free thinking is the basis of tool.

Personal insult there to ToolOwnsYou, I know for a fact that it ws not a form of censorship. Read other threads on this site for spam, and you will see that threads are taken off point by mindless 'Tool r teh cool, metallica suxs' rubbish. Its this that the threadstarter was wanting to prevent, not censoring any opinion. And I stand by him for that.

Not crappy pop punk, but classic punk rock like the dead kennedys and the clash and operation ivy, all of which deal with real life issues, unlike Tool

Music does not have to be focused on real life issues, THATS censorship if you only allow music to be about real life. But to say Tool dont deal with day to day issues, I really think you should give their lyrics another look. I find the clash a great band, and what they did for music isn't overlooked by me, but they said their message in their own way, just like Tool

but i'am more of a tool fan than most of you, as i live in the tool mindset, live free thinking and not worry about what maynard thinks about the subject of the week even though he is right much more often than not.

Arrogance. The tool mindset? Sounds like a set way of life, governed by the rule that you must think freely, which contradicts the idea you're against.

but i think Maynard has a hidden message that your just not getting.

So after complaining that we shouldn't be analysing the lyrics and meanings, you admit there is a greater hidden meaning there? So why shouldnt we try and find it?



I hope fellow Tool fans, or just fans of free speech, expression, etc will take note of both these posts, and see how varied fans can be. Like the poster finished on someone elses lyrics, i think the best way to sum it up would be maynards own comment 'Analyse and criticise as much as you want, but remember, at the end of the day, its just music. Just sit down and listen once in a while, open your mind and just enjoy.

[stumpetioto]

just stop now there is no point continuing this conversation

[Wanker]

theelburritos: you're a walking contradiction, just like adam_jones_is_god said.

you say that you're a bigger tool fan than most people, yet you bash tool fans and make generalizations about them. yes, there are crazy, over-the-top tool fans out there, but most of them aren't on this forum.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

[QUOTE=Wanker]theelburritos: you're a walking contradiction, just like adam_jones_is_god said.
QUOTE]

Phew, misread that at first, good to see some support from fans. But I think that discussing it any further is pointless, its a tool thread, not a fan opinion on fan thread. Lets put this whole episode behind and get back to sharing more positive ideas, over a nice cold one :chug:

Case dismissed :smash:

[stumpetioto]

has anyone heard zuam?
im interested in them i havnt heard of them until i went on this site what are they like?

[deadohiosky9]

stumpetioto, thank you! I've been after that article for ages, as I was discussing Enochian with someone on here pages back, and couldn't find that story. Some of the articles on toolband are fascinating, although dried up recently. And for any regular to the site who hasnt found the secret stuff (hidden in the 'meat'), read the rennes experience too, as well as see the hidden images

There is hidden stuff on the site????? I haven't found anything! Help please?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Ill send you a scren shot of the hidden locations soon, ill put it up here
But i suppose its easier to describe, you know the strange piece of meat on the left under the TV screen? There are two links there, move your mouse over it till it changes, theres one about half way down, and one in the narrow part at the top

[stumpetioto]

where the **** is toolowns you lately?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

He was on 2 days ago, but never posted. I know he used to post from work mainly, so maybe he's not had the time. Pity, as he had some really intelligent comments

[stumpetioto]

aye he did
you said you have live footage of them where did you get that?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Via file sharing im afraid :( But someone posted a link to a good site to get live videos somewhere on here, search through the pages for it. It has some great one on there

[stumpetioto]

ffs i just got the patient live im dl now what would be the best site to get live footage off them?

[stumpetioto]

im getting the live vid where he sits on the fan^_^

[deadohiosky9]

Ill send you a scren shot of the hidden locations soon, ill put it up here
But i suppose its easier to describe, you know the strange piece of meat on the left under the TV screen? There are two links there, move your mouse over it till it changes, theres one about half way down, and one in the narrow part at the top

I found it. Thanks a lot man.

[deadohiosky9]

First negative coment i've read here, and it sadness me to read it. I must state the other side of the argument.



I think sterotyping people on here is harsh, most of us are creative individuals who when not sharing our ideas, are out creating music, art, or simply leading their lives how they see fit.



Right and wrong. It does provoke thoughts by analysing the lyrics and melodies and drawing our own ideas from them, not trying to find the exact meaning that was meant. However, there are some fans who are more into individual members, and find facination in the way they think. This is why some will look deeper at lyrics.



Look for other posts from me or any other poster here. You will see that most of us are far from 'serious'



Personal insult there to ToolOwnsYou, I know for a fact that it ws not a form of censorship. Read other threads on this site for spam, and you will see that threads are taken off point by mindless 'Tool r teh cool, metallica suxs' rubbish. Its this that the threadstarter was wanting to prevent, not censoring any opinion. And I stand by him for that.



Music does not have to be focused on real life issues, THATS censorship if you only allow music to be about real life. But to say Tool dont deal with day to day issues, I really think you should give their lyrics another look. I find the clash a great band, and what they did for music isn't overlooked by me, but they said their message in their own way, just like Tool


Arrogance. The tool mindset? Sounds like a set way of life, governed by the rule that you must think freely, which contradicts the idea you're against.



So after complaining that we shouldn't be analysing the lyrics and meanings, you admit there is a greater hidden meaning there? So why shouldnt we try and find it?



I hope fellow Tool fans, or just fans of free speech, expression, etc will take note of both these posts, and see how varied fans can be. Like the poster finished on someone elses lyrics, i think the best way to sum it up would be maynards own comment 'Analyse and criticise as much as you want, but remember, at the end of the day, its just music. Just sit down and listen once in a while, open your mind and just enjoy.

You said it man! :thumb:

[deadohiosky9]

I'am a very large Tool fan. I own all tool albums including the Tool string orchestra piece and seen them as well as APC 4 times. But tool fans really do make me think. The inner meanings of there songs are very interesting and always contreversial but I really think you need to leave your rooms or basements and live your lives. I enjoy listening to tool late at night and am always intregued with this magnificent band which may be the most talented 1-4 on the planet but if your gonna spend hours writing, picking apart songs for meaning, you should sit and think about your own meanings in life and not worry about Marnard disliking religion (by the way, i dislike religion as well) or talk about the "walls" of racial divide (i'am totally against rascism) or ramble on about satans special brownies (dieier von satan). Tool is about provoking thought in its listeners, not tearing apart what maynards (or any other members) thoughts are. You need to take an "intermission" and take Tool for the pure musical beauty and menevillence that it is and not worry about which churches are wrong or female prostitutes with male genitalia. This is why i never liked tool fans in general, because there far to serious. Like the gentlmen/woman that started this thread. What is "don't spam or you'll regret it" supposed to mean. Is he/she gonna kill me or put a bug in my computer or terminate me from this thread. He/she lives in a world of rules where anything that isn't part of the plan isn't endorsed because he/she trying to be a god and control the flow of thought in his/hers and other peoples lives and free thinking is the basis of tool. This individual is trying to be somesort of god and the idea of god is somthing which maynard does not endorse so basically you are defying everthing you say you stand for by hindering free thought. I like, listen to, and play punk music which really stands for free thinking. Not crappy pop punk, but classic punk rock like the dead kennedys and the clash and operation ivy, all of which deal with real life issues, unlike Tool. Issues of government, racism, sexism, ect. conflicts that happen and effect our every day lives. Im sure many of you discard me as a punk lovin' loser that has a mohawk, and is angry at my parents, and just wants to make noise and has little muscianship. None of those statments are true. The important part is that Tool is a superior band to nearly all but i'am more of a tool fan than most of you, as i live in the tool mindset, live free thinking and not worry about what maynard thinks about the subject of the week even though he is right much more often than not. I don't live by artificaily placed rules that this thread is really about and most tool fans in all fairness. Most of you follow Maynard and his lyrics like a bible, disecting his words and trying to discover what makes him tick. Well, Mayanrd aswell as myself don't want you to take that path of blind belife. Im not sure if you found this helpful, you probably want to steamroll my crusty remains on the pavment of your driveway, but i think this is what Tool is really about. Tool's greatness is at a level which no words cannot describe but i think Maynard has a hidden message that your just not getting. Contradict yourselfs as you may, your living the lives you say you hate. thank you and good night.

I know this case was dismissed, but I wanted to add my personal f.uck you to the ignorant dick face who wrote that. You have no clue waht you're talking about. If you are such a big tool fan, you would not be stereotyping us. I myself look into the personal band memebers opinions a lot. I don't take their lyrics as the bible, I just like the way they think, and I enjoy reading their opinions. There is nothing wrong with thinking about Tool's lyrics, and dissecting them. Thats what is so great about Tool, that it is actually very stimulating to look deeper in to their lyrics. And maybe just go where no one's been. Anyways, this is your opinion, and if this is how you feel about tool fans, etc. Then that's fine. But I think you're an ignorant dickface and need to stop making such generalizations about us.

[deadohiosky9]

So whats the deal on Zaum? Was a previous band memeber of Tool in Zaum?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I know danny drummed for them, but apart from that, I dont know much else. Not living in America means I can only use the net to find out about bands, and I cant find much on them. But they did open for tool once, so they must be worth a listen

[stumpetioto]

just got some tool live footage^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^_^

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Which song? So far ive got the patient, lateralus, flood, H, eulogy and schism. All very illegal, as tool ban filming like other bands. But if they had released the DVD by now, then I wouldnt have to...

[NoLeafClover54]

hey everybody, i just heard an amazing song by tool on the radio, ive never really paid attention to them and now i want to get an album. Any suggestions on what album to get

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Aenima. Best starter album. Think this should be put at the top of the thread info like this, although I dont mind answering this again and again

(Where are you ToolOwnsYou? All is forgiven!)

[stumpetioto]

lol i got lateralus push it soon third eye patient merkaba and im getting aenema and a whole live show and more im keeping myself busy

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Sould keep you going till they tour again, its why I download them, it makes up for not eeing them yert (missed them on 3 occasions :( )

[stumpetioto]

man i could of seen them onve on ozzfest but i wasnt massive into them and it wouldnt of been easy to get to i would of had to walk or some **** and then i couldnt get in cuz of my age but 3 times ****

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Was that UK ozzfest 2002? Cos that was oppotunity 1 that I missed, thanks to lack of organisation. the other two were the two london dates, both sold out and couldnt get there in any case

[stumpetioto]

yeah 2002 ireland but couldnt go mo fos....

[stumpetioto]

here adams jones what is your favourite tool song(s)????

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Listed them before on here, but its still a hard choice to make.

Pu**** (live version) for overall awesomeness, everything sounded right in it
The Grudge for how dark and brutal it sounds
4 Degrees as I love that riff!
Jerk - off, mainly because its the first Tool song I learned on guitar
The Patient as it was the first challenging guitar song I learned
Schisim as it was (ironically) the first Tool song I was aware of

But each song has special value to me, some weeks H will sound better than Parabola, then vice versa

It is like trying to choose one of your children, and people will have different best songs, but I think Pu**** live woud be on everyones list

[stumpetioto]

lol true but i really love third eye for that solo that took me a while to learn there isnt one tool song but if i had to pick the most litend to tool song at the mo for me is reflection and patient

[Adam Jones is GOD]

The Patient is an amazing song, I analysed the lyrics a while ago, but as an instrumental, the 'solo' still sounds spine tinglingly good even after 300+ listens. Adam makes pinch harmonics sound so easy, and the way he utilises the wah pedal and delay is awesome.

Third Eye solo is something I would lke to sit down and learn one day, but for now I only try and learn the songs I can play all the way through, third eye uses a lot of effect pedals that I could never afford at this curret time

[an_underused_memory]

on dannycarey.org, it mentions that zaum is still around but the other members (any idea who they are??) are busy and so far their schedules haven't co-incided for a few years....
By the way, what do you all think of Pigmy Love Circus?? i downloaded one song (officially from their site) and.....dissapointment.... I know i shouldn't have expected a tool clone, by i was hoping for something experimental at least....the one i got sounded very straight with talk/singing that i just didn't understand.
But maybe it was just not the right time for me to listen to that sorta music, it certainly didn't encourage me to download more...
interested to hear the thoughts of tool fans

[Adam Jones is GOD]

PLC is only linked to Tool by Danny's presence, it was a band he jammed with during Tool's legal problems between Aenima and Lateralus. The style of music is a lot different, Danny himself has said its a more straightforward job for him to drum for them. they opened for APC on the last tour and recieved mixed reactions, most of the people were just respecting danny.
Zaum still remans a mystery to me, though I do know former Tool bassist Paul d'amour was a part for a while too, not sure if he still is.

[stumpetioto]

Third Eye solo is something I would lke to sit down and learn one day, but for now I only try and learn the songs I can play all the way through, third eye uses a lot of effect pedals that I could never afford at this curret time

that is true i have this multi effects **** and that works for me i dont know the whole song just the solo i love that one
and there is a solo in the patient?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Not really a solo, more of a well placed riff, near the end of the song. Its the riff he plays a few times while maynard is singing 'must keep reminding myself of this', then he takes it up an octave and adds wah. Solo is a loose term today in any case, I use it to describe a piece of guitar work that sticks out from the rest of the song

[stumpetioto]

lol true man we sent this thread to the dumps cmon back to intelligent ****

[The JoZ]

Alot of the wierd sounds heard in Third Eye, aside from the opening guitar 'solo' are done on bass, not guitar...

Digitech Bass Whammy, Distortion + Delay for the slide part

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Yeah, it seems the style this thread goes, clever, amazing, complaint, random chatter. Like in Prison Sex 'I've come round full circle' on this thread, i hope. But its 1 am now, so i think ill leave clever comments till tommorrow

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Alot of the wierd sounds heard in Third Eye, aside from the opening guitar 'solo' are done on bass, not guitar...

Digitech Bass Whammy, Distortion + Delay for the slide part

Justin sure can fool people sometimes into thinking that the guitar is playing, not the bass.

I know danny uses an effects box too, especialy on merkaba, can anyone tell me what it is? Im not that hot on dannys equipment

[Merkaba]

hey everybody, i just heard an amazing song by tool on the radio, ive never really paid attention to them and now i want to get an album. Any suggestions on what album to get

Get Aenima, take about ten deep slow breaths, and listen to Push it.

after aenima i would get lateralus, then undertow, then opiate, then the salival.

And just for the record, in response to a post i saw a few days ago that i never got around to replying to, I have no idea what lateralus means, not anymore than any of you. i've heard various theories, some relating to a muscle, some relating to sacred geometry, some relating to both of them. so , i dont know!

[an_underused_memory]

Adam Jones is GOD,
Danny uses a combination of electronic triggers 'n' synths:
- 6 or 7 Simmons triggers feeding to a Roland MC 505 drum machine...(i think that's how he sets it up) - these are the 'electro tom' sounds on merkaba and elsewhere.
- a Korg wave drum: this sits on one of his toms and the sound can be manipulated to within an inch of its life, apparently - fiddly and expensive but exact. i'm not sure exactly where Danny uses this one...(maybe that industrial sound in the Grudge??)
- a Handsonic: this synthesises percussion such as bongos, congas and Danny's specialty, tabla. you can hear this in Push!t salival version, the opening passage of eulogy, and reflection/disposition amongst others. I assume Danny records the tabla parts on real tabla in the studio, but live he definately uses the handsonic.

The sound I'm most interested in is the pitch-shifting drum in reflection/disposition, i'd love someone to shed some light on that. it sounds like a wierd synth tabla, or perhaps a synth drum with some sort of whammy pedal or automation.
whatever it is, i enjoy it!

also, anyone have any ideas about maynard's guitar? he uses a headstock-less guitar on Schism when they play it live, and i've seen him play it at the APC gig i went to (can't remember the song)...is it just a cool guitar, or is a synth as well? i'd like to find out...

[bobthesalesclerk]

[QUOTE=an_underused_memory]Adam Jones is GOD,


The sound I'm most interested in is the pitch-shifting drum in reflection/disposition, i'd love someone to shed some light on that. it sounds like a wierd synth tabla, or perhaps a synth drum with some sort of whammy pedal or automation.
whatever it is, i enjoy it!
QUOTE]

You hit the nail on the head. . .it is a tabla drum that produces that sound.

[bobthesalesclerk]

[QUOTE=bobthesalesclerk][QUOTE=an_underused_memory]Adam Jones is GOD,


The sound I'm most interested in is the pitch-shifting drum in reflection/disposition, i'd love someone to shed some light on that. it sounds like a wierd synth tabla, or perhaps a synth drum with some sort of whammy pedal or automation.
whatever it is, i enjoy it!
QUOTE]

It is a wierd synth tabla.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Which song? So far ive got the patient, lateralus, flood, H, eulogy and schism. All very illegal, as tool ban filming like other bands. But if they had released the DVD by now, then I wouldnt have to...

Where,Where,Where?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Adam Jones is GOD,
Danny uses a combination of electronic triggers 'n' synths:
- 6 or 7 Simmons triggers feeding to a Roland MC 505 drum machine...(i think that's how he sets it up) - these are the 'electro tom' sounds on merkaba and elsewhere.
- a Korg wave drum: this sits on one of his toms and the sound can be manipulated to within an inch of its life, apparently - fiddly and expensive but exact. i'm not sure exactly where Danny uses this one...(maybe that industrial sound in the Grudge??)
- a Handsonic: this synthesises percussion such as bongos, congas and Danny's specialty, tabla. you can hear this in Push!t salival version, the opening passage of eulogy, and reflection/disposition amongst others. I assume Danny records the tabla parts on real tabla in the studio, but live he definately uses the handsonic.

The sound I'm most interested in is the pitch-shifting drum in reflection/disposition, i'd love someone to shed some light on that. it sounds like a wierd synth tabla, or perhaps a synth drum with some sort of whammy pedal or automation.
whatever it is, i enjoy it!

also, anyone have any ideas about maynard's guitar? he uses a headstock-less guitar on Schism when they play it live, and i've seen him play it at the APC gig i went to (can't remember the song)...is it just a cool guitar, or is a synth as well? i'd like to find out...

Thanks for the into, but i always hear that the tabla on the live version was done by Aloke (cant think of full name, often referred to as the 'tabla master') who is friends with the band. I know he did a few shows with the band, performing tabla in their songs, and I was sure this was one.

As for Maynards 'guitar' I know what you mean, he plays it on the Noose for APC. Unfortunately, like the man, most of the instruments he plays are shrouded in mystery, but I know he plays a few on different albums, 2 weird ones on thirteenth step, and there is some on lateralus too. If anyone else knows anything, let us know

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Where,Where,Where?

http://www.musictelevisionsucks.net/search.php then type in Tool. You will have to wait a bit for downloads to start, but its quick once they do

[stumpetioto]

thanks adam jones etc i finnaly got the grudge live

[stumpetioto]

sorry i go to make the 500th post on this thread


:amaze: :amaze: :amaze:

[Paranoidd]

Thanks for the into, but i always hear that the tabla on the live version was done by Aloke (cant think of full name, often referred to as the 'tabla master') who is friends with the band. I know he did a few shows with the band, performing tabla in their songs, and I was sure this was one.

As for Maynards 'guitar' I know what you mean, he plays it on the Noose for APC. Unfortunately, like the man, most of the instruments he plays are shrouded in mystery, but I know he plays a few on different albums, 2 weird ones on thirteenth step, and there is some on lateralus too. If anyone else knows anything, let us know

No headstock?

http://www.gibson.com/whatsnew/pressrelease/2001/jan31a.html

Does it look something like the guitars on the bottom of the page?

It might be a roland guitar synth. I've seen someone play one live and it was incredible, but I couldn't read the model and I can't find it on the internet. I thought it was G10.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Doesnt seem like it, but since the only time i saw it was at a APC concert, I couldnt really make Maynard or the guitar out too well. But thanks for the link, those guitars are interesting to say the least

[Paranoidd]

They're cool...they don't go out of tune. Very durable as well. I can't think of too many shredders that used them...Vito Brata from White Lion in the 80's. I think Steve Vai has played with them too.

If I was committed to googling it I'm sure I could find what Maynard used.