Tool

[BlindWriting]

I am beginning to think that the alternate tracklists are all a big spoof. If Maynard intended for Lateralus to be out of order, he wouldn't do it again with APC. I doubt either one are intentional, but it could still very well be true. :-/

/skeptical
I don't really think Maynard intended for Thirteenth Step to have an alternate track list. This was just my response to the claims of a one-addict story.

[The JoZ]

Whether or not Maynard intended these alternate track listings, we may never know...I highly doubt the man would tell you, even if asked him...

[Kage]

Good job on the alternate order. I doubt it was a purposeful thing done by the band, but nonetheless an extremely intersting and cool spin on it. I will definately try it. Your story adds up very well.

/Was praying that you would not say Pet meant he started a famly and had kids ("Lay your head down child...I'll be the one to protect you from your enemies and all your demons..")

I actually have some things to add to your story that go along with it well and would help prove it, but I can't be bothered to go into it now, it's late and I'm tired.

[Huber]

Are there any sites similar to toolshed.down.net? Or is it just hands down better than every other site and has everything there is to have already?

[The JoZ]

Are there any sites similar to toolshed.down.net? Or is it just hands down better than every other site and has everything there is to have already?

I personally think it's the best, because it's comprehensive, and doesn't have that BS that what's his name posts on Toolband...

[opeth_oasis]

I also prefer Thirteenth Step over Mer De Noms, simply because it's a more well-rounded album than Mer De Noms. Mer has some of their greatest songs, but the last half is weaker than the first half and not near as consistent (if the last half had lived up to the first half in terms of greatness, it would probably be better), whereas Thirteenth Step was very much coherent as a full album, and also included some of their best songs.

i really like the style used in thirteenth step, all the songs really appeal to me and there is still a form of anger, in songs such as pet and the outsider. Mer De Noms is a great album, but not all the songs are of the same quality.

[jamesclelland]

90% of albums out today are very inconsistant in song styling. one half heavier than the other, it wasn't bad planning on apc's part, they just put the songs in that order because of how it felt to them as they were in the post production stages. i highly doubt after all maynard did with tool that he screwed up. they had a plan and went through with it. i personally like mer de noms better than thirteenth step but dont hate 13th. everything is done for a reason especially with maynard behind the console.

[Kage]

I didn't mean in terms of heaviness/lightness or style. It has more to do with how well the songs are writen, regardless of the style they're written in. Most of the songs on Mer de Noms had a pretty consistent feel, but I felt that a few of the latter songs on Mer De Noms seemed just a little haph-hazard and not as carefully planned out and well-executed as songs like Hollow, Magdalena, Rose, Orestes, etc.

[got tool?]

Random, but true:

About a month ago, i was playing basketball in my gym class. My teacher usually brings disco and funk cds to play while we shoot hoops. One day he forgot his cds. i happened to have Ænima on me at the time...

[Darkness]

How'd that work out? Did it appeal to anybody?

I've thought about bringing a Tool album to gym class...

[Shattered_Future]

I need to get another Tool album...

I already have Lataerus (or however you spell it). What should i get first, Aenima or Undertow?

[Darkness]

Aenima.

[Shadius]

I need to get another Tool album...

I already have Lataerus (or however you spell it). What should i get first, Aenima or Undertow?

Ænima. Has more emotion in it than Lateralus, and has excellently crafted songs that have a heavy arty, progressive feel to them. Undertow would be very different from Lateralus. And while still a good album, it's not great like Ænima and Lateralus.

I <3 Ænima.

[Dude3]

You can't go wrong. I'd say Aenima, but Lateralus is just as good. :thumb:

[Darkness]

Ænima. Has more emotion in it than Lateralus, and has excellently crafted songs that have a heavy arty, progressive feel to them. Undertow would be very different from Lateralus. And while still a good album, it's not great like Ænima and Lateralus.

I <3 Ænima.

Ganna have to disagree about Ænima being more emotional then Lateralus... don't wanna get into details though.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Ænima is definitely the album you want to start off with because it eases you into the more epic progressive stuff: Third Eye and Pu****.

Eulogy is long, but its theme and choruses are easy to follow.

[Shadius]

Ganna have to disagree about Ænima being more emotional then Lateralus... don't wanna get into details though.

Feel free to. I love both albums, I just see Lateralus as being more calculating/spiritual than emotional, and Ænima being more emotional than calculating, generally. I'm not saying Lateralus is emotionless, it's just a different flavour.

[Sleeper]

Ænima is definitely the album you want to start off with because it eases you into the more epic progressive stuff: Third Eye and Pu****.

Eulogy is long, but its theme and choruses are easy to follow.

I agree, When i first started listening to Tool, I bought Lateralus. It was a little overwhelming at first, I then listened to Aenima. And i started to understand there sound more then.

[BlindWriting]

I agree, When i first started listening to Tool, I bought Lateralus. It was a little overwhelming at first, I then listened to Aenima. And i started to understand there sound more then.
Yeah, I'm kind of glad I started with Aenima in the first place. Then onto Lateralus, then Undertow, then Opiate.

[BlindWriting]

I actually have some things to add to your story that go along with it well and would help prove it, but I can't be bothered to go into it now, it's late and I'm tired.
I'd love to see them, whenever you have the time to get around it.

[Huber]

I started with Lateralus, and you're all right, it wasn't the right choice. I was in the record store, and my Tool freak friend wouldn't answer his phone, so I was like "the one to get has to be the one with Schism", so I did. It was a mistake. I listened to the album once, then put it away for like a month until I listened to Aenima at my friends house. Aenima is the "Tool Can-Opener" for your brain.

[Darkness]

Strange... me and my friend were different as we bought lateralus and fell in love with it. That was the only cd I'd listen to for like the following 2 months tell we decided to buy Aenima, and even then I felt I was betraying Lateralus, though I loved Aenima.

Lateralus is still my favorite today... and not just by Tool.

[karl0s]

Lateralus is a sheer experience...yet to listen to it in that crazy spiral order or whatever!

Aenima is awesome, at the moment H. is my favourite mainly cos of those lyrics...

I totally agree that Aenima should be listened to for weening oneself into Tool.

And err, how d'you get the "AE" symbol??

[Huber]

Lateralus is the best though, IMO. Aenima was just the right place to start, Lateralus just didn't click.

Lateralus is my favorite album. On iTunes it shows what you listen to the most, and how many times. The top 13 songs are Lateralus, like this:

Ticks and Leeches - 156 (I had to listen to this song over and over when I as learning to play it)
Lateralus - 94
Parabola - 89
The Grudge - 87
The Patient - 60
Schism - 59
Parabol - 58
Eon Blue Apocalypse - 57 (I have no idea how that happened)
Reflection - 54
Triad - 50
Disposition - 48
Mantra - 45
Faaip De Oiad - 32

I don't think I've ever listened to Faaip De Oiad without listening to the whole album, so I've listened to the album 32 times on my iPod. By far my favorite album.

[Shadius]

Completely unrelated, and far more superficial and pointless, I just don't get Maynards hair at all. I really don't. :lol:

I know he's worn wigs in the past, while he's performing with Tool and APC, and on a lot of APC stuff he seems to be wearing different wigs, which is fine.

What I don't get is, back in like.. 93', he had a receeding hairline. Long hair but receeding, you know what I mean, if you've seen any really old interviews with him, or live concert footage from back then, he looks like he'll be fully bald in a few years. And in the coming years, he goes completely skinhead for Tool for a long time. Then, in an interview I have of him like ten years later, his hair is cut smart and short, he's wering elton John glasses, and his hairline isn't receeding, and it's almost certainly not a wig of any kind.

Which makes me wonder, which hairstyles of his ARE wigs, and which arn't? What's the deal? Magic hair re-growth shampoo?

[Huber]

He probably uses like Rogain 952,158,745,965,213. My drum teacher does. He grows his hair back down past his head in like a month and a half after shaving it bald. It's nuts.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

How many fvcking tracklists have we seen in the last 20 pages?!

[Huber]

How many fvcking tracklists have we seen in the last 20 pages?!

See the number I put for the Rogain power :thumb:

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

Question: For the Ænima tour, did they play Pu**** Live from salival, or did they play the original version for a while?

[Darkness]

Original for a while, hence the Maynard fights fan video.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Lateralus is a sheer experience...yet to listen to it in that crazy spiral order or whatever!

Aenima is awesome, at the moment H. is my favourite mainly cos of those lyrics...

I totally agree that Aenima should be listened to for weening oneself into Tool.

And err, how d'you get the "AE" symbol??


alt+146 Æ

[opeth_oasis]

I didn't mean in terms of heaviness/lightness or style. It has more to do with how well the songs are writen, regardless of the style they're written in. Most of the songs on Mer de Noms had a pretty consistent feel, but I felt that a few of the latter songs on Mer De Noms seemed just a little haph-hazard and not as carefully planned out and well-executed as songs like Hollow, Magdalena, Rose, Orestes, etc.

thats a good way to put it, i just tried the alternate order, and it works beautifully :thumb:

[Artemician]

I don't write posts very often, but after reading a few of these posts about alternate track orders I figured I'd give you my alternate track listing for Lateralus. This one is fairly simple, just play the tracks in order of the Fibonacci sequence (and all the numbers left behind by the sequence). In other words, tracks: 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13; and 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12.

I've always noticed that there was a division in the songs in Lateralus. About half the songs seem to be about social things, a relationships with people, that type of thing. The other half are the much deeper philosophical songs. If you'll notice, the Fibonacci divide splits these up perfectly (The Grudge, The Patient, Schism, Tick & Leeches, Faaip de Oiad; Parabol/Parabola, Lateralus, Dispostion/Reflection/Triad). Also, the end of The Patient flows into Schism a lot better than Parabola in my opinion.

Sorry for adding to the confusion, but I thought you might be interested.

[jamesclelland]

nobody's confused, were just trying to listen to the cd. and we have all these ways to do it, i say screw it just put it in and press play. that has worked everytime.

[Shattered_Future]

I usually just listen to tracks 1,3,5 and 8.

Perhaps 7, if im in a good mood...

[TheSubtleArts]

Here's something ive never understood about Faalip de Oidad:

i know it translates to voice of god in some language, and i know about the hoax story of the area 51 guy. but, what does that have to do with "voice of god" and why are the words in that language anyways?

[Sleeper]

Good question, I never understood that either. Why is DieEierVonSatan in German? Some wierd questions that maybe someone can answer.

[Kage]

I usually just listen to tracks 1,3,5 and 8.

Perhaps 7, if im in a good mood...

That's a lame way to listen to an album that's a coherent piece of music and not three radio singles thrown in with trash filler.


As to Faaip de Oiad, I've put a little thought into it and I believe that perhaps it's like they're trying to show the way true messages and construed by the media, as his voice is hidden behind the wall of static that intensifies until you cannot even hear the voice anymore. It symbolizes something to do with the perversion of truth.

As for it being in the obscure language, it's I think it's in that language for the reason that it sounds cool and is indeed obscure (with obscurity being an obsession for Maynard)

[Z3R0]

is there an offical message board for tool or a fan message board for tool out there

a link would help thanks..

[clearvision]

This thread is all you need really, there is a forum on tooshed. But that is full of druggies.

[Kage]

This thread is teh bomb anyway.

[clearvision]

Wow and I have been here from the start...i jus wish they would hurry up and make this album, then pay me a visit at reading.

[Darkness]

This thread is teh bomb anyway.

Cuz I'm here. :naughty:

This is sorta off topic but there had to be some reason to this post so heres my question:

On Aenima theres alot of whispering throughout some of the tracks like Stinkfist and Hooker. I haven't tried to figer out the words on Hooker, but on Stinkfist right before the little solo, you hear something like "pick up the (inser word starting with P...mabye picture?) and show me..". This is most likly wrong...what are your guys' thoughts?

[BlindWriting]

Cuz I'm here. :naughty:

This is sorta off topic but there had to be some reason to this post so heres my question:

On Aenima theres alot of whispering throughout some of the tracks like Stinkfist and Hooker. I haven't tried to figer out the words on Hooker, but on Stinkfist right before the little solo, you hear something like "pick up the (inser word starting with P...mabye picture?) and show me..". This is most likly wrong...what are your guys' thoughts?
I might be mistaken, but I heard that it was "Consume, be fruitful, multiply" on Hooker.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

As for it being in the obscure language, it's I think it's in that language for the reason that it sounds cool and is indeed obscure (with obscurity being an obsession for Maynard)

I beleive the language is Enochian or something along those lines. The gong that you see when Carey is drumming is not an actual insturment, but some sort of Enochian relic-ish deal. :-/ I could be totally wrong, but this is what I have heard.

And also, Kage, get the **** on msn. :p

[Darkness]

I might be mistaken, but I heard that it was "Consume, be fruitful, multiply" on Hooker.
Interesting.

[Kage]

I beleive the language is Enochian or something along those lines. The gong that you see when Carey is drumming is not an actual insturment, but some sort of Enochian relic-ish deal. :-/ I could be totally wrong, but this is what I have heard.

And also, Kage, get the **** on msn. :p

I think that Enochian is indeed the language.

Ah, MSN, I keep forgetting to sign on. I used to sign on everyday, but ever since I stopped using Hotmail I rarely do anymore. I might be getting on later, but right now I have a history paper to type and many chemistry problems to tackle, so I'll try and get on sometime in the near future.

[Huber]

Is there an Official verdict on the meaning of Parabola? I've been reading the lyrics forevar (pirate style), trying to find something solid. I've come up with something, but I didn't know if there was a verdict yet.

[Sleeper]

What did you find out?

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I beleive the language is Enochian or something along those lines. The gong that you see when Carey is drumming is not an actual insturment, but some sort of Enochian relic-ish deal. :-/ I could be totally wrong, but this is what I have heard.

And also, Kage, get the **** on msn. :p

Why do you have a picture of Aaron Carter in your avatar? :confused:

[Kage]

Has anyone heard the songs from that dick from Summerland? I saw that music video at Best Buy the other day and his "emotion" made me cringe in horror

[Huber]

What did you find out?

I'm probably wrong, but here goes:

I think the song flat out says:
Enjoy life

Many lines can take reference to life. This holy experience etc.

"All this pain is an illusion" sounds to me just like something someone says just to make them feel better in bad times.

The speaker seems to be going through bad times, and is trying to remind himself that it will all be good in the end.

"This body" seems to be holding him back from his eternal life. In the beginning it sounds like a bad thing, but as the song concludes the speaker realizes that this mortal life is a gift, and once again that all this pain is an illusion; it will all end well.

Once you read the lyrics with this point of view in mind, it makes tons of sense.

[Matter]

This thread is all you need really, there is a forum on tooshed. But that is full of druggies.

Theres lots of good threads at Toolshed. Philosophy, religion, etc. Drugs are a minor part of the discussions.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Why do you have a picture of Aaron Carter in your avatar? :confused:

That's me. :upset:

/changes avatar

It must be that red effect...:p

:upset:

You bastard!

[The JoZ]

I'm probably wrong, but here goes:

I think the song flat out says:
Enjoy life

Many lines can take reference to life. This holy experience etc.

"All this pain is an illusion" sounds to me just like something someone says just to make them feel better in bad times.

The speaker seems to be going through bad times, and is trying to remind himself that it will all be good in the end.

"This body" seems to be holding him back from his eternal life. In the beginning it sounds like a bad thing, but as the song concludes the speaker realizes that this mortal life is a gift, and once again that all this pain is an illusion; it will all end well.

Once you read the lyrics with this point of view in mind, it makes tons of sense.

While we may never know just how accurate that is, or what Maynard/Tool INTENDED Parabola (or any of their songs for that matter) to mean...that sounds pretty cool...I personally never really thought of it that way.

I always thought it was a positive song though.

[Dude3]

I don't know if it helps, but in case you didn't know, a Parabola is also a math term. If you have a graph or coordinate plain, it is a curved line that has either a lowest or highest point.
Let's say it opens upwards. It has then has a lowest point. Then, a line extends forever from each side of that point. It extends at a curve, until it goes EXACTLY up or down. It would look like a U or an upside-down U. I'm sure somebody could explain this better.

[The JoZ]

Yeah, I knew what a parabola was, from having taken more math than I cared to...

But I never really saw how it connected to the song.

[siva_chair]

Yeah, I knew what a parabola was, from having taken more math than I cared to...

But I never really saw how it connected to the song.


Perhaps "we are eternal" like the opening of a parabola?

[Huber]

I thought the way Parabola referred to the song was the guy went down to a low depression (vertex) but then regained himself and went back up. (If I remember what a Parabola is correctly)

OR

He could mean you started in a divine state, then went lower to a mortal state, and you are destined to go back to your divine step, upward.

[Kage]

Then there's always the reference to how a parabola never ends, but instead curves certain directions ("we are eternal, all this pain is an illusion"). Perhaps he's saying life is like the way down on a parabola, and then when we are freed from the bodily restrains, we hit the low point of the parabola and begin the never-ending ascension or something to that effect.

EDIT: Come to think of it, perhaps there's more of a parabola imagery in that he's referring to how the parabola is the focal concept in Algebra, etc. It's almost like there's so much that comes from that parabola and its equation, almost like life can be defined by some equation, but it can get far too complex (the parabola never ends...the values become way too high) and once a person releases his preoccupation with worldly pain, he just let the journey go as it will.

[Huber]

Then there's always the reference to how a parabola never ends, but instead curves certain directions ("we are eternal, all this pain is an illusion"). Perhaps he's saying life is like the way down on a parabola, and then when we are freed from the bodily restrains, we hit the low point of the parabola and begin the never-ending ascension or something to that effect.

I think that's what I was aiming for.

But you got it dead on I think. I wish there was an official way to confirm this stuff.

[Kage]

Then there's always the idea that, I suppose there's the two different directions of the parabola. It's like, you can go up forever or you can go down forever. Since Parabola is essentially in the center of the CD, it may represent the concept that the speaker is at the vertex of his life...he can now choose whether he will go back from whence he came or travel up the parabola in a never-ending ascension to spiritual freedom.

The more i think of it, the more applications can be applied. I have no idea if any of these have anything to do with the song, but it's interesting speculate on. Perhaps he just uses the parabola as imagery to indicate a never-ending journey in either direction.

[Huber]

I think our Parabola conversation is the perfect example of how Maynard writes amazingly versatile lyrics. We've thought up multiple conclusions just to one song's title that all make perfect sense. Maybe he thought all these things about the title too, and not just one thing. Who knows? We probably never will. Kind of sad, I wish Maynard would write some huge fat book explaining all the dimensions of his songs.

Edit: I looked up the meaning of "Parable", being that it's in the song. It means a story with a religious, meaningful moral. Maybe it's just a play on words? A never ending religious story going on in two directions?

I can't wait for the fat book release.

[Kage]

Heh...that would be nice. Still, without it, it provides some nice grounds for discussion. I agree, the versatility of his lyrics is great. Anyone can get his own meaning out of it, and it can be perfectly valid. I think that's really cool.

[Sleeper]

I'm probably wrong, but here goes:

I think the song flat out says:
Enjoy life

Many lines can take reference to life. This holy experience etc.

"All this pain is an illusion" sounds to me just like something someone says just to make them feel better in bad times.

The speaker seems to be going through bad times, and is trying to remind himself that it will all be good in the end.

"This body" seems to be holding him back from his eternal life. In the beginning it sounds like a bad thing, but as the song concludes the speaker realizes that this mortal life is a gift, and once again that all this pain is an illusion; it will all end well.

Once you read the lyrics with this point of view in mind, it makes tons of sense.
Thats the main vibe i got from reading the lyrics also.

[Huber]

So, onto the next song.

Ticks and Leeches.

Is Maynard mad at someone we don't know, the record label, or (GASP!) US!

This was around the time of the Napster scandal and whatnot. I was thinking, did he scream like that to try and set off some fans? Then when the file sharer's download the song they hear screaming wails from Maynard and hear "Hope this is what you wanted, hope this is what you had in mind.....I hope you choke!"

I doubt this, but it's another way to look at it. Maynard has said once that he didn't think that file sharing was all that bad.

We all know, Tool wasn't happy with it's record label.

What do you think?

[misunderstood]

Hmm, i thought maynard didn't like file sharing at all because if you actually go to the RIAA site they actually quoted him there...something along the lines like... "real fans to rip off their artists...if you didn't create it (the music) then don't exploit it"...i know only because i had to do a paper on file sharing and well, i used that quote somewhere in there.

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

He's pretty against it, I saw an interview with the whole band. Twas quite cool.

[Huber]

I thought he wasn't entirely because of this:

Loder: Are you opposed to file-sharing?

Keenan: Not necessarily. But I wish people would realize what an artist normally makes on the sale of an album. Nowadays, you have to sell, like, half a million or a million records just to break even. And how many bands sell a million records? Not that many.

He doesn't sound very against it. Atleast not enough to write Ticks and Leeches.

[opeth_oasis]

my friend told me that aenima can be related alot to children and child birth, i told him he was an idiot, and that it was a tribute to Bill Hicks. However, looking into the lyrics alot of them could have something to do with childbirth and children, but it is not relevant in all songs.

[Merkaba]

Good question, I never understood that either. Why is DieEierVonSatan in German? Some wierd questions that maybe someone can answer.
Um..so it will sound like hitler and not martha stewart reciting a recipe maybe...??

[opeth_oasis]

im thinking of making that recipe

[mudvayne420]

WHat i think parabola might mean is. TOday in my english class we watched a video about joseph campbell. it was about myths from every religion and things on how life was created and stuff. then he said something about eternity, he said that eternity could be god. also, he says that every religion has a myth to how we got started and that its all the same basic story. i don't if thats rightbut i know he said these things, i'll check back tomarrow cause we watch it again tomarrow.
well anyway in Parabol, the lyrics start with "so familiar and overwhelmingly warm, this one this form i hold now. Embracing you this reality here, this one this form i hold now so wide eyed and hopeful." Here i see it as he realises he's not alone in his body form, so he embraces this thing inside him that knows more than him. "wide eyed and hopefully wild we barely remember what came before this precious moment choosing to be here right now, hold on stay inside this body holding me reminding me that i am not alone in, this body makes me feel eternal all this pain is an illusion" he could be sayin that whats inside him knows how to reach ETERNITY, and everyday reminds him not to forget it's there.

[Merkaba]

I'm wondering how long many of you have been tool fans or if there is an influx. The same questions always come up and everyone is trying to interpret songs literally. Maynard has said in interviews that he often reads these on websites and that usually they are way off....but that it didnt matter. But its funny to see people still doing it. I guess its natural.

[Merkaba]

Cuz I'm here. :naughty:

This is sorta off topic but there had to be some reason to this post so heres my question:

On Aenima theres alot of whispering throughout some of the tracks like Stinkfist and Hooker. I haven't tried to figer out the words on Hooker, but on Stinkfist right before the little solo, you hear something like "pick up the (inser word starting with P...mabye picture?) and show me..". This is most likly wrong...what are your guys' thoughts?

Chupa...minha...pica...pichu
chupa...minha...pica...pinto
chupa...minha...pica...pinto
I am reaching through...(the slow deep voice in the back)
this...hurts but...this...feels right
I...I...am...Alive!

[Merkaba]

If youre a tool fan I suggest you look heavily into and try all things related to astral projection, meditation...etc. Then you will find the meaning to alot of songs...not just the meaning but what they are getting at rather. Especially the last two albums.

[opeth_oasis]

Chupa...minha...pica...pichu
chupa...minha...pica...pinto
chupa...minha...pica...pinto means in portugese something along the lines of "suck my dick"

[opeth_oasis]

Then there's always the reference to how a parabola never ends, but instead curves certain directions ("we are eternal, all this pain is an illusion"). Perhaps he's saying life is like the way down on a parabola, and then when we are freed from the bodily restrains, we hit the low point of the parabola and begin the never-ending ascension or something to that effect.

EDIT: Come to think of it, perhaps there's more of a parabola imagery in that he's referring to how the parabola is the focal concept in Algebra, etc. It's almost like there's so much that comes from that parabola and its equation, almost like life can be defined by some equation, but it can get far too complex (the parabola never ends...the values become way too high) and once a person releases his preoccupation with worldly pain, he just let the journey go as it will.

i think you've hit it pretty well, well done man:thumb:. Lateralus is like nothing i have ever experienced, IMO the 2nd best album i have ever heard (i'm sorry opeth's morningrise is number 1). I was trying that alternate order to lateralus, and it seriously changed how i was thinking. That night i couldnt sleep, i was repetitively hearing in my head "we are eternal, all this pain is an illusion". Seriously it was a great experience.

[Merkaba]

Chupa...minha...pica...pichu
chupa...minha...pica...pinto
chupa...minha...pica...pinto means in portugese something along the lines of "suck my dick"
basically...
my other words werent a translation but the other words that maynard moans and whispers in the background

[opeth_oasis]

i found out what the whole lateralus album may relate to: The Tower Of Babel, a bible verse in genesis, about people who built a tower trying to reach heaven. God was unhappy about this, and destroyed the tower and made the people speak a new language, so they could not understand eachother and try again. Im working on this theory atm, i'll send it when im done.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I am so spent recently with interpreting Tool songs. I put Lateralus and Ænima on my MP3 player and just listened. Now im back to square one, and fully in love with The Patient again.

I still hold the fact that I have heard a LOT of music recently recommended to me, and what people say to be the best albums ever. Yet i still come back to Tool each time.

Just thought I would state that for the record.

[Otherside]

I am so spent recently with interpreting Tool songs. I put Lateralus and Ænima on my MP3 player and just listened. Now im back to square one, and fully in love with The Patient again.

I still hold the fact that I have heard a LOT of music recently recommended to me, and what people say to be the best albums ever. Yet i still come back to Tool each time.

Just thought I would state that for the record.


What opeth album did you end up picking up?

[got tool?]

this might seem kind of late for those following my little story about gym class, but my gym teacher thought Stinkfist had a good beat, and while listenin to 46&2 some kids were asking me about the bassist...so i guess they liked it :D

[Adam Jones is GOD]

What opeth album did you end up picking up?

Still havent yet :(
Have to wait till pay day. Even then im torn between a few albums, including TMV albums now (those tracks were kewl)

N00b question: Which would be best for me to pick up? I've heard lots about Blackwater Park

[Otherside]

Still havent yet :(
Have to wait till pay day. Even then im torn between a few albums, including TMV albums now (those tracks were kewl)

N00b question: Which would be best for me to pick up? I've heard lots about Blackwater Park


The bigger opeth fans would probably recommend Blackwater Park, but I think me and Gmac would say to get Morningrise.

And if you do get a TMV album, clear-vision was right in saying get deloused in the comatarium before getting Frances the mute.

[clearvision]

And get BWP dirge for november has the cachiest lead lick you'll ever hear. Yes im saying buy that album just for that song. The rest of it is great too though it has to be said.

Anyone like at the drive in here? I got relationship of command and acrobatic tenemant, they are both great.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

/Checks 'to buy' list....

Yup, Relationship Of Command is there. You say catchiest riff, and I think 'One Armed Scissor'

And yes, I like (well, liked, least it gave birth to 1 1/2 cool new bands) ATDI

[Otherside]

Maybe a stupid question but:

What is Maynard whispering the in the background of Ticks and Leeches?

[Darkness]

during the slow part?

[Otherside]

Yup yup.

[Darkness]

Its just him drinking bottles of water then he starts to ramble on about sucking dry.

[Otherside]

Figures it would be something like that. Thanks

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Yeah, I've had a recent obsession with Ticks & Leeches. Unbelievable drumming throughout.

[jamesclelland]

i'm hooked on lateralus right now. i want to play it for the cover show, but everyone else doesn't want to.

[Darkness]

Then either they haven't heard the record or there just stupid. No offence.

[Huber]

What is mason? I was at this Tool fansite and they had this odd animation of a dollar bill, and a closer one of the pyramid. It circled certain letters, and they spelled mason. Do you guys know?

[I'mhungryForASandwich]

its fun to play schism on bass

[Huber]

Thanks. I get it now.

[Huber]

Yeah, I've had a recent obsession with Ticks & Leeches. Unbelievable drumming throughout.

Danny Carey + 7 beat timing = Best friends forever!

[Darkness]

Danny Carey + 7 beat timing = Best friends forever!
lol yeah... Dannys awesome...

[G_Mac07]

Maybe a stupid question but:

What is Maynard whispering the in the background of Ticks and Leeches?

I believe I've asked that before and got told it's sometimes best not to know what Maynard is saying :p

The bigger opeth fans would probably recommend Blackwater Park, but I think me and Gmac would say to get Morningrise.

BWP is what the most of the Opeth fans recommend for starters. However, I got Deliverance first (which was ok, I hadn't heard anything from it previously) and the I picked up Still Life. This is my fav of the 3 albums I own but I guess it's really up to the buyer. Morningrise, SL or BWP would all probably be good choices.

[BlindWriting]

Yeah, I've had a recent obsession with Ticks & Leeches. Unbelievable drumming throughout.
Adam's shredding in those last ten seconds is incredible.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

If you wanna hear Adam shredding, listen to the backing solo during the first solo(lame*) during Third Eye. Pretty tech stuff.

*lame for Jones, that is.

[Kage]

What do you mean lame for Jones?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Compared to Jones' other stuff, I don't think the first solo(The louder part that sounds like there is a pillow over his amp) is really that great. :-/ That's what I meant.

[Kage]

Ah, as you've said many a time :p.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I know. :p


Would anyone else like to mention other times where Adam shreds? I haven't noticed too many. He's definitely a rythm guy. A good one at that, I must say.

[Kage]

A prefer his style to shredding. That thing in Third Eye is really cool, because it's a subtle thing.

[Sleeper]

Eon Blue Apocalyspe? :lol:
I dont know any songs where he shreds.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Eon Blue Apocalyspe? :lol:
I dont know any songs where he shreds.

:confused: What?

Ok, never mind. Bad question. :lol:

Does anybody happen to have the mp3 of Tool performing Comfortably Numb? I think they did a Pink Floyd cover song..It may not be CN, but I'm pretty sure it is. If anyone has it, could you be so nice as to host it on YSI?

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Doesn't he have a little bit of a shred on Cold and Ugly? i could be wrong.

That reminds me... THROW THAT BOB MARLEY WANNABE MOTHER****ER OUTA HERE!

[Deyve]

The masons are a group of people who are members of a huge global organisation whose purpose is nominally to take good, upstanding citizens, and for them to work together in order to achieve common goals, including, broadly speaking, the betterment of society. The members are taken from all major groups within society, although members have to believe in a Supreme being. Understandably rumours have surrounded the group literally for centuries, about them exerting secret control over the world's financial and political systems, meaning that there's an underground interest in them, particularly as there's a lot of masonic symbolism, including the pyramid and all seeing eye on the US dollar bill.

It's not mason symbolism it is Illuminati symbolism. When the Illuminati were persecuted and run out of Rome by the Catholics they gained sanctuary in the ranks of the Masons. That was then there way of surviving, by using the Masons as a front to support their own designs. The pyramid with the eye is a symbol for being enlightened, or 'illuminated'.

If you want to know about this kind of stuff, read Dan Brown's Angels and Demons, great book.

[Deyve]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ToolOwnsYou
Thats nice, yet you must not be catching on. I said you explain your opinion.. not give links to what others think..




it's not what others think. It's what the band wrote. k? k.

You obviously didn't read it very well because the band did not write it.

Compiled, written, edited by: kabir@toolshed.down.net Your pal" Kabir Akhtar

It's the first thing written in the FAQ.

And yes I am quite aware that it's all the way back on the first page but I thought it needed mentioning.

And no, I'm not dissing the FAQ, I think it's a great piece of writing but it is just another persons opinion, not tool's.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

:eek: Wow...whats that, some kind of 300 page argument bump? refl

IC36 and Madey-I am assuming that is something by Bill Hicks?

[Deyve]

Consider the slack cut. Just setting the facts straight :D

[Darkness]

I like on Jerk Off when hes like "you see alot of @ssholes that live in this part of the building here, we systematically removed them like you would any kind of termite or roach"

[Ænigma]

I like on Jerk Off when hes like "you see alot of @ssholes that live in this part of the building here, we systematically removed them like you would any kind of termite or roach"

Yeah that part is cool.

[Vampyre de Mort]

Hey speaking of tool...does anyone know what Adam runs over his pickups? Like remotes and stuff to get all that weird noise? I use an x box dvd playback remote and a stereo remote, it sounds so cool!

[Shadius]

So, I my copy of Aenima finally turned up in the post today. I've been through the whole thing 3 times now, and while I don't think it's as good as Lateralus, half of the songs on it really are absolutely incredible...Stinkfist, Eulogy, 46 & 2, Aenema, Pu**** and Hooker With A Penis are all great, and most of the other non-filler tracks are all good as well. Being a massive Bill Hicks fan, I hadn't realised his act was actually sampled during Third Eye as well.

*good times*

Just thought I should share this with this thread, seeing as how a group of you effectively persuaded me to buy it. :p

:thumb:

Add H. to the list of amazing songs and you've got it.

I never was a huge fan of Jimmy, I personally think it's the weakest song on the album. The only weak (by Tool standards) real song, actually. Hooker with a penis the 2nd weakest, lyrics are great, nice and heavy, but I have to be in the mood for it.

[Darkness]

What do you guys think of the Dissectional on http://toolband.com/? Me and my friend spent an hour on there just exploreing and finding new things... Its pretty crazy.

[Vampyre de Mort]

What do you guys think of the Dissectional on http://toolband.com/? Me and my friend spent an hour on there just exploreing and finding new things... Its pretty crazy.

Yeah, dissectional is pretty awesome, Maynards Dick is pretty sweet game...but I cant get past level one...

[Darkness]

I don't think I played that...

[Huber]

Any news on the new Tool album?

[Shadius]

Any news on the new Tool album?

I hear it'll be good.

Edit: In other news I just learned the intro to Ticks & Leeches on drums. :cool:

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

So, I my copy of Aenima finally turned up in the post today. I've been through the whole thing 3 times now, and while I don't think it's as good as Lateralus, half of the songs on it really are absolutely incredible...Stinkfist, Eulogy, 46 & 2, Aenema, Pu**** and Hooker With A Penis are all great, and most of the other non-filler tracks are all good as well. Being a massive Bill Hicks fan, I hadn't realised his act was actually sampled during Third Eye as well.

*good times*

Just thought I should share this with this thread, seeing as how a group of you effectively persuaded me to buy it. :p

Yup, and a lot of us here believe Third Eye is their best song on that album. Loved Lateralus too, I thought that at points it was a little too instrumental; sort of a waste when you have a guy of MJK's magnitude.

I thought that Ticks and Leeches was the best track on that album, followed by Lateralus, Parabola, and The Grudge.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I hear it'll be good.

Edit: In other news I just learned the intro to Ticks & Leeches on drums. :cool:

That drum intro is unbelievable. Very nice :thumb:

[clearvision]

Yup, and a lot of us here believe Third Eye is their best song on that album. Loved Lateralus too, I thought that at points it was a little too instrumental; sort of a waste when you have a guy of MJK's magnitude.

I thought that Ticks and Leeches was the best track on that album, followed by Lateralus, Parabola, and The Grudge.

Except for me of course, I maintain the fact that push!t is their second best piece of music to date, only second to no quarter which is simply amazing. (even if it is a cover)

[opeth_oasis]

The bigger opeth fans would probably recommend Blackwater Park, but I think me and Gmac would say to get Morningrise.

And if you do get a TMV album, clear-vision was right in saying get deloused in the comatarium before getting Frances the mute.

i'd say morningrise is the best album, but bwp is a good album to get first

[Rounder]

Except for me of course, I maintain the fact that push!t is their second best piece of music to date, only second to no quarter which is simply amazing. (even if it is a cover)

Pu**** is number one for me. number 2 would probably be The Grudge. No Quarter is up there too.

[Sleeper]

Push.it is great, But Third Eye has amazing work.

[Kafkastolemyslippers]

i'd say morningrise is the best album, but bwp is a good album to get first

Morningrise is the most melodic. I'd say that BWP, ****ation, or Deliverance would be more to the likes of many Tool fans; they have more of a dark, brooding quality rather than high mdeival style.

[Maynard's Dick]

I have this Rock and Popular music class at my university. The teacher said that for one class we could bring in some music we like and play one song for the class (150-200 students). I brought in the Aenema disc and said I had a 13 minute song (Third Eye), and asked if we could skip the first 2 minutes and play half. Unfortunately I trusted my teacher to do this and he accidentally skipped like 8 minutes. We heard the remainder but... :upset:

[Kage]

Eh, in that case it would have been better just to have shown a shorter song, even if it wasn't as good as Third Eye. I maintain that Third Eye, Lateralus, and Reflection are the greatest peices of music Tool has written, but in a case where you can't play 10+ minute songs, you'd be more fit just to show the whole of a shorter one.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Ænema would have been a good song for that. Very user friendly for the new Tool fan.

Notsogood choice-Ticks & Leeches. :p

You could have also acquired the radio edit versions of Laterralus and/or Schism. They chop out about half of each song. :rolleyes:

[BlindWriting]

I've never heard the radio cuts of either of those... but I'd imagine them to be fairly butchered.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I hate when they do that to songs. Mr. Radio dickhead did the same thing with Killing in the Name by Rage Against the Machine. They cut out the breakdown near the end where Morello is just trem picking as fast as he can, and Zack is just saying "**** you I won't do what you tell me" repeatedly. :rolleyes: Oh well, I never listen to the radio anyways.

[Huber]

The singles are probably your best choice for a shorter, good to play Tool song. Like Stinkfist, Sober, etc...

[Kage]

Oh well, I never listen to the radio anyways

There you go.

I've never heard the radio edit of Lateralus, and based on your description I really don't want to. I've heard Schism on the radio before, but it was the whole song, at least I believe it was.

[Huber]

I don't think Schism has a radio edit.

If it does, I think they cut out the quieter intermission part in the middle. That'd make the most sense.

[The JoZ]

The only radio editing Tool has done is censor out swear words, such as on "Aenema" or "Eulogy".

Every song they've put on the radio I have heard in their entirety, including "No Quarter"

[Rothmans]

Hello, I use to be a part of this forum (stumpetioto) but i left i was here earlier on and i use to joke about song meanings and people took me a bit serious but im back i just wanna share some stuff i found out..

You know the cow on the back of Undertow? The reason its licking its *** is because Bill hicks once said that "who would of thought that heaven is made in a cows ***" (a reference to shrooms) Has anyone else noticed that?

[Werny]

**** radio-edits...

I hate it when they do that. With Alice in Chains, they completely messed up the vocals in the songs, and sometimes did something like add a stupid guitar, cut a solo short or did a new drum part.

Therefore I would stick a scalpel in my eye before listening to a radio-edit of a T00L song.

[Huber]

My friend just left. We jammed to Schism. It was quite fun. I'm getting microphones and whatnot to record a solo from the drum contest in the drum forum. When I do I'm gunna try to get these guys to record Schism with me. I can't wait to get my recording stuff.

/highly anticipates

[Kage]

Are you going to get a good set of several drum mics?

[Huber]

In time yes, but for the drum solo I'm only getting two, because I have little money at the moment. As time goes on I'll keep buying more and more.

[jensmatty]

I don't think Schism has a radio edit.

If it does, I think they cut out the quieter intermission part in the middle. That'd make the most sense.

Actually I think they stop it just before the quiet bit. They dont even play the outro. at least that's what I remember...

[Huber]

Are you going to get a good set of several drum mics?

On second thought, my Birthday is before the entry for the solo is due, and maybe I can get more mics for my birthday. That'd be awesome.

[The JoZ]

I find it hard to believe that Tool would have radio edits in some places and not in others.

Seriously, I've always heard Tool songs in their entirety on my station...even 9 minute Lateralus and 12 minute No Quarter.

[Huber]

Radio stations probably differ. THe DJs on my favorite station like Tool a lot, so I don't think they'd cut songs.

[Darkness]

This is well off topic but I found an interesting little tidbit while listening to "blue" off of 13 step.

He mentions in Anima a bunch of times to learn to swim right? Well in blue he mentions that he never quite learned how to swim. The mans a hipocrit...lol I just thought that was kinda funny...I'll shut up now..

[jensmatty]

A bit back i read that someone commented on Maynard's hair, and how they thought he had a receding hair line in '94 and long hair at the back... it's actually a mowhawk on top and long hair at the back.

EDIT: Woah I just found out that this video (Tool live in london '94) has No Quarter live :D

[Rothmans]

This is well off topic but I found an interesting little tidbit while listening to "blue" off of 13 step.

He mentions in Anima a bunch of times to learn to swim right? Well in blue he mentions that he never quite learned how to swim. The mans a hipocrit...lol I just thought that was kinda funny...I'll shut up now..

The bit about swimming is that he doesnt really care for anyone but himself

[Darkness]

^ That doesn't make sense. He says "best to keep things in the shollow end, cuz i never quite learned how to swim" how does that imply that he doesn't care about anyone else?

[Rothmans]

like he didnt really have time or care for what others think so he doesnt quite know how to swim or you could take it as he wasnt a social person or to high

[jamesclelland]

I've never heard the radio cuts of either of those... but I'd imagine them to be fairly butchered.


this was a ways back but it reminded me of something. i heard the radio cut of lateralus, and i wanted to cry. they started the song in the first chorus. they skipped 3/4 of the verse each time, skipped half the notes in all solos. how could you do such a thing to a masterpiece? that should be 1st degree murder.

[Darkness]

They should be arrested for stuff like that...

Or shot or hung... or both...

[Shadius]

They should be arrested for stuff like that...

Or shot or hung... or both...

Yes...*

Well, I personally think the radio edits suck too, but the only half decent stuff on the radio here is a lot of pop-rock and nu metal, so I rarely listen to it anyway.

*No, don't be silly.

[Kage]

That edit of Lateralus really is disgusting. I'm glad I've never heard it.

But still, I don't understand why people bitch about radio. The radio doesn't play the type of music a lot of people on these forums like, so why would you even listen to it? That's why I bring a CD or CDs everywhere I go, because I generally don't like what's played on the radio. It's like saying, "This band doesn't play the type of music I like, but I'm going to keep listening to them anyway to see if maybe they'll start playing the music I like."

[Syncratic]

True....the only radio I listen to is my local classic rock station (love it, BTW), and I rarely listen to that. I always have my MP3 player with me, I'm actually listening to Ticks and Leeches now. I have more Tool on here that anything.

[Otherside]

I have more PF on my mp3 player, mostly because I havn't got around to transferring all my Tool cd's onto the comp/mp3 player.

[Syncratic]

I have 2 PF songs....and 5 Tool (my MP3 player originally holds 25 songs, but I'm getting a memory stick so I can put more on it)

[Otherside]

Oh :\

I have Aenima and Lateralus on my mp3 player... and The Wall, DSOTM, Wish you were here, Animals, and Meddle on it. That's just PF and Tool though...

[Syncratic]

Thats cool...I'm constantly getting rid of songs I don't listen to often to accomodate better songs.......that'll change soon!

[Sleeper]

I stick to the old cd player

[Rounder]

the station I listen to in south Florida plays Tool, sometimes butchering the hell out of it. They had a version of schism that was unlistenable. But sometimes one of the dj's must have been a Tool fan cuz you'd hear 46and2 uncut. The station in Orlando plays Tool a helluva lot, H and other Tool songs not on the radio normally. Im forced to listen to the radio where I work, at least i get a little highlight in the day when they do play Tool. The radio edits make me want to crash my car head on into a telephone pole though.

[BlindWriting]

I stick to the old cd player
Same.

[Sleeper]

But why edit the songs?, I can see editing Aenema for the swear words. But why 46n2? Length?

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Yeah, the radio stations in Boston always butcher the songs. They cut a few minutes off Lateralus.

In other news, the DJ also said that he believed that the Tool CD would be coming out at around the end of the year, at like Christmas time. WTF? I've heard from so many other places that it would be June! Ah.

[Kage]

I stick to the old cd player

heh...good man.

As for the release date, I always thought June was pretty wishful thinking. It's all up in the air, still, though.

[clearvision]

I have all 5 tool albums on my mp3 :)

Woah sh!t i just got white pony by the deftones, it's quality. Around the fur next? (I know you tool fans like the deftones, and i'm bored by this mp3 bragging)

[Werny]

Mp3 players? Pfft! I love my discman, it loves me back! (when the buttons decide to work...)

Wait...

Here it comes...

(I'm listening to jimmy...)

Ruuuuuuuuurah,HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!!!!

Anyway;

If the new record came out around Christmas, I would murder someone. It has to come out before then. They've got most of the songs down pat anyway.

[jensmatty]

YAY i've got a live video from the Lateralus tour, the Æni(e?)ma tour and the undertow tour :D love p2p :)

[the2stranger]

I love my zen, 20 gigabyte of music goodyness!
I have let me think, 4 tool albums on there

[Otherside]

I have all 5 tool albums on my mp3 :)

Woah sh!t i just got white pony by the deftones, it's quality. Around the fur next? (I know you tool fans like the deftones, and i'm bored by this mp3 bragging)

Just get any of them besides the self-titled.

[Merkaba]

Yea my local radio edits tool too. They usually do pretty well though. THey'll cut out maybe the last solo on enima, the solo on H(wtf?), and take some out of 46&2. I have heard them play Eulogy and the others pretty much all the way through during late night hours. Lets remember that the radio friendly songs are usually no more than 4:30 seconds. Usually...

[Syncratic]

I was just thinking...you know how Salival was released before Lateralus......well, maybe the 'Schism' DVD will be released before the new album...just a though, though I hope its not necessarily the case.

[Kage]

I have all 5 tool albums on my mp3 :)

Woah sh!t i just got white pony by the deftones, it's quality. Around the fur next? (I know you tool fans like the deftones, and i'm bored by this mp3 bragging)

Yes, get Around the Fur next. I'm glad you like White Pony, it is a great album.

I don't know why Otherside says not to get S/T, but I do reccommend getting it, but probably after you've settled into the band's sound. Go with ATF now, then either Adrenaline or S/T, although in my opinion S/T is one of their best.

[Otherside]

The S/T? Even the band said they hated that album. Carpenter even admitted that he basically just came up with one riff and used it over and over on the album. They also said they're gonna be workinga lot harder on the next album.

[Kage]

The S/T? Even the band said they hated that album. Carpenter even admitted that he basically just came up with one riff and used it over and over on the album. They also said they're gonna be workinga lot harder on the next album.

I don't recall them saying they hated it. Proof? It's true, that album did lack riff quantity, but IMO not quality. Besides, there are some really amazing songs on there. A lot of the songs are more focused on the interaction between guitar and keyboard (Hexagram, Good Morning Beautiful, When Girls Telephon Boys, Bloody Cape) and then there are some great guitar/bass songs like Death Blow, Needles and Pins, and Moana.

[clearvision]

while we are on the topic of deftones i dloaded a song a while ago, under the tag minerva. But it obviously wasn't that...this song had real crappy production and chino said 'pressure, pain' alot...any ideas to what it may be...it was good.

[Otherside]

Proof? A magazine article I read.

[Sleeper]

The S/T is a very good album, I seem to enjoy it more than Around the Fur and White Poney. Around the fur and White Poney are great cds, But Deftones seemed to have a more mature sound on the S/T IMO.

[Kage]

I have a feeling you took some creative liberties with the quote though.

[Daven]

alright ive been liking tool for over a year, but only heard lateralus and some of aenima and want to get into undertow. So can somebody recommend me some good songs from undertow or opiate?

thanx

[clearvision]

sober, flood, swamp song, prison sex, disgustipated...just get it all man :thumb:

[Sleeper]

The intro to Swamp Song is great

[Kage]

I like Undertow a lot more than I give credit for. I'm always a little reluctant to listen to it, but then when I put it on, I really love it.

[BlindWriting]

Just buy Undertow, and then Opiate. I actually prefer Opiate over Undertow, and I know I'm pretty much alone on this.

[Sleeper]

Aenema IMO

[Shadius]

Just buy Undertow, and then Opiate. I actually prefer Opiate over Undertow, and I know I'm pretty much alone on this.

Prison Sex and Sober beat anything on Opiate, otherwise, I sort of agree with you. They're kind of equal in other respects in my mind, obviously Opiate is shorter though...

alright ive been liking tool for over a year, but only heard lateralus and some of aenima and want to get into undertow. So can somebody recommend me some good songs from undertow or opiate?

thanx

From Opiate; Opiate, Hush.

From Undertow; Prison sex, Sober.

The singles are the most accessable. All the songs are decent though, really. Oh, get all of Ænima first though, just go buy the album, it's well worth it.

[Darkness]

I don't like anything after bottom on undertow sept for flood. They just sound the same after that... but I love everything off of Opiate.

[Maynard's Dick]

I got rid of Undertow because it was just pissing me off. A bunch of great moments stuck in mostly crappy songs.

On a different note; I do believe Merkaba-1 has the best user title I've yet seen.

[Werny]

I think Bottom is the worst song Tool have done, and I also think that Crawl Away, Swamp Song and Undertow are the best songs on Undertow. Some people only like the intro to Crawl Away, it's the best intro ever but the rest of the song rocks too. And Swamp Song has the catchiest chorus of all time.

On the other hand I think Opiate sucks for the most of it. It's so fricking immature.

[Shadius]

On the other hand I think Opiate sucks for the most of it. It's so fricking immature.

Does all music have to be mature?

[opeth_oasis]

I love my zen, 20 gigabyte of music goodyness!
I have let me think, 4 tool albums on there
i gots a zen too, i luv it! Cept when it freezes

[Darkness]

I bet they will...

[Kage]

I don't see any reason why they wouldn't

[TheSubtleArts]

there has been so much time with so little answers, it drives me crazy

[Darkness]

Man I was thinking about this today... Lateralus is going to be so hard to follow up to. I said this to my friend and hes like "their tool, they can do it", and I'd like to believe him but man... Lateralus was just so groundbreaking in my eyes that the next record will either totally blow compared to it, or will break Lateralus apart with awesomeness...

ganna wait it out...

[Huber]

Being that the first Tool album I bought was Lateralus, and then I went further to listen to others, listening to something new from Tool that isn't as ground breaking as Lateralus is just about the same for everytime I do really.

[KronikalsKry]

Darkness of Greed, I completely agree with you. Lateralus is so good, it does make you wonder if TooL is going to be able to excel further than where they are now. On the radio station at work Danny Carry was being interviewed, that was almost 6 months ago. Danny said that it was some of the most amazing work he has ever done. It was a while ago, so that is all I can remember, not word for word, but think about the time. They were working on it for a long time, I am sure it will be amazing. Yet there is that question in our heads, how they could do better than Lateralus. I am asking it, but I know they can do it also.
Kry

[The JoZ]

Tool are so good, they WILL surpass Lateralus.

I think they would quit making music before they started making crappy music.

[Rothmans]

I dont know about the new album they said they were gonna go heavier (which is good) but im hoping they keep the intelligent songwriting aswell

And on a sidenote whats with the undertow bashing its a great album some of it gets on my nerves now and then but it is a great album and opiate is pretty good aswell but both frail in comparsion to there newer albums IMO

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I think that some stuff on Lateralus got a little tedious and was too long. Most of it was brilliant, but they could definitely improve upon it. I don't know about Ænima though, there were just so many great songs on that album.

[Huber]

Tool are so good, they WILL surpass Lateralus.

I think they would quit making music before they started making crappy music.

Definetly.

I remember awhile back on toolband.com the blog said the song he heard them rehearsing was really, really good. He made it out to be an amazing song. I really want to hear this new album.

[Kage]

I don't see Tool regressing at this point in their careers. To me, Lateralus was sort of the point where they truly found their sound, and now there's only room to grow from there. I think Opiate, Undertow, and Aenima, while all great albums, saw the band searching different perspectives of their sound and then Lateralus sort of brings it all together in a new way and they found "their sound" with it.

If Tool make a bad album that isn't more groundbreaking than their previous one, this one won't be it, I'm sure of it.

[Otherside]

To me, Lateralus was sort of the point where they truly found their sound, and now there's only room to grow from there. I think Opiate, Undertow, and Aenima, while all great albums, saw the band searching different perspectives of their sound and then Lateralus sort of brings it all together in a new way and they found "their sound" with it.


I don't know about that exactly... I don't they'll base their next album off of Lateralus, instead I think their style is going to change again. I think to be progressive is one of Tool's goals.

[Kage]

I don't know about that exactly... I don't they'll base their next album off of Lateralus, instead I think their style is going to change again. I think to be progressive is one of Tool's goals.

I think I worded it wrong. And now that I think of it, some of what I said was contradictory. Basically, Lateralus is obviously their most progressive album, and I think that's the sound they've been working up to, the progressive and more complex sound as opposed to the metal of Opiate or the heavy rock with art rock tendencies of Undertow. So they've been working up towards that sound...but Lateralus was only the begining of it. In other words, they're still on an upward slope and they're going to take their accomplishment with Lateralus even further, just like they've been doing on all their albums.

[Sleeper]

It seems every band that i have followed for years, When they make a new album it loses its touch. But i know tool are going to release something that will be talked about for many years.

[JessJansen]

I was wondering if anyone thought this. In Tool songs the chords they use, i thought that maybe its based on some kinda of scale. Cause the chords they use seem to blend together alot and i was jsut wondering if they were part of any perticular scale or if it was most likely some messing around, finding what sounded good together.

And im not sure if this was already poseted earlyer but does anyone know when abouts the new tool album would come out cause ive bin lookin forward to it if they are making one.

[Huber]

I was wondering if anyone thought this. In Tool songs the chords they use, i thought that maybe its based on some kinda of scale. Cause the chords they use seem to blend together alot and i was jsut wondering if they were part of any perticular scale or if it was most likely some messing around, finding what sounded good together.

And im not sure if this was already poseted earlyer but does anyone know when abouts the new tool album would come out cause ive bin lookin forward to it if they are making one.

Welcome!

My guitar knowledge isn't broad enough to answer your question.

We were given two different times of the new album's release:

June, and the end of the year. I don't think we ever found which one is true, if either.

[JessJansen]

thank you. is that of this year or next

[Huber]

Supposedly June of this year, and the end of 2005

[JessJansen]

thats great. If anyone knows this please answer me, i was wondering if anyone here knew how to scream like maynard can i just dont know how and i would like to learn.

[Sleeper]

The many questions of the universe.

[Huber]

thats great. If anyone knows this please answer me, i was wondering if anyone here knew how to scream like maynard can i just dont know how and i would like to learn.

Grow a third lung, practice, or something like that.

[Kage]

Eh, Maynard isn't that great of a screamer. He has strong lungs, yes, but his screaming isn't amazing.

[JessJansen]

Eh, Maynard isn't that great of a screamer. He has strong lungs, yes, but his screaming isn't amazing.



i agree with you i just love the way he sounds when he screams

[heavy metal kid]

Maynard is a guy that everything he sings,turns amazing.

[Shadius]

Maynard is a guy that everything he sings,turns amazing.

"Gimme gimme gimme" from eMotive by APC is hideous, for example.

Though he is completely amazing 90% of the time. Favourite vocalist. :thumb:

As for the new album, there are such dramatic changes in sound from album to album, and not just general changes, but progressive changes in the music. If the trend continues, the next album would probably be:

More complex musically
More complex vocally and lyrically (As in dealing with more complex issues)
Less raw and "dark" sounding

I don't think it would be in Tool's nature to necesserally continue to get less dark and raw, therefore, I get the feeling that Tool is going to incorporate sounds from previous releases together for their next effort. I think the next album will be intensely dark and heavy in places, while light, smooth and intricate in others. I don't like it when people say "A mixture of these two albums" or whatever, I don't think Tool will devolve in their sound, but mearly use parts from their older sound and improve and evolve on top of it, bringing new stuff in from whereever it is that they find their amazing inspiration.

In short, the new album will be thunderously heavy, intricate in all respects, mature, have softer elements, mesmorising bass riffs, atmospheric guitar (I also predict more guitar solo's from Adam), "jungle style" drum beats mixed in with heavy complex stuff, where the lyrics will go is anyone's guess (I predict they will be about more "realisation" of what it is to be human, as well as the occasional "**** you" song, in a mature fasion, of course.)

Vocally, a nice mix of powerful soaring melody (Stinkfist, Parabola, The Patient) and angry cynicism (Ticks and Leeches, Hooker with a penis, The Grudge), with new stuff.

It won't be disappointing, but I honestly think it'll be down to personal taste whether Lateralus or the new album are better (simulary to Lateralus and Ænima), though I suspect this one will be even more of a close divide between Tool fans.

All personal opinion, based on oberservations. Could be wrong. They could always pull a u-turn and release some 3-chord wonders. Hehe.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

People stating that Tool had found their sound with lateralus, im going to have to debate that.

Listening to each one, its clear to hear that every album has its own little feel. Sure, differing production make each album sound unique in any case, but if you look at the song writing, tones, rythyms, etc of each one, there is a lot of difference. True, there is an underlying pattern which most of their songs stick to, but each one has its own unique feel.

Opiate, well I think its fair to say that they hadnt even scratched the surface at that point. It was heavy at times, but also introduced what was to come. Its almost like a kid throwing a tantrum in the scheme of Tool's progression.

Undertow had its darker feel, with gloomy guitar tone and MJK starting to put more power to his lyric and vocal style. this is the tennage stage of Tool, the depression, discovery, and growth.

Ænima was the grown up version of Undertow. It had the gloomy tone, but at times it trebled up, and became lighter. It was a mixed bag of an album, not really sticking to a certain style of song, with some dark, some lighter, some epic and some short to the point tracks. Its like a young adult at this stage, discovering as much as it can by itself, allowing any possiblities to be available.

Lateralus is an album. No, not being painfully obvious, what I mean is that each track runs into the next better than any other previous one. It has more of a consistent tone for 2/3 of the album, and shows the full potential from each member. This is the middle age stage, where routines have been set, yet the need for discovery and increase of knowledge is still the driving force.


So, if my little too-much-sugar-and-time theory is correct, the next stage would be an older man, who is wis ein the ways of the world and uses his experience to teach others and create something new and useful out of all the knowledge he has gained.

Or it could just be someone who has retired and wants to have some fun with no more work to worry about (Tool Country Rock album?)



(I actually had fun and a laugh thinking along those lines)

[Otherside]

I definitly think we are due for a country-esque filler from Tool :thumb:

[jamesclelland]

I was wondering if anyone thought this. In Tool songs the chords they use, i thought that maybe its based on some kinda of scale. Cause the chords they use seem to blend together alot and i was jsut wondering if they were part of any perticular scale or if it was most likely some messing around, finding what sounded good together.

And im not sure if this was already poseted earlyer but does anyone know when abouts the new tool album would come out cause ive bin lookin forward to it if they are making one.

It's rock, so it is based off of the blues scale. just like every other rock/metal band.
People say june, but no body has offically set a release date, those are all rumors

[jamesclelland]

btw, seattle tool fans:

April 10 at El Corazon, there will be a tool cover show. i might be playing in it, it's not a for sure thing, but i've been jamming with the creator of this show and we've got stinkfist down. all the bands that will be playing are regular seattle bands, so please go out and support your local bands, and me. :D

[Rothmans]

Here lads sorry to move topic but in Ticks & Leeches he definitely whispers something near the start (dont know the exact time) but i can without a doubt hear him say "me and you" then something else but can hear it properly and when he is screaming hes saying basically nothing and in bottom he whispsers something when Henry rollins is talking but i cant hear what hs is saying can anyone else?

[the2stranger]

btw, seattle tool fans:

April 10 at El Corazon, there will be a tool cover show. i might be playing in it, it's not a for sure thing, but i've been jamming with the creator of this show and we've got stinkfist down. all the bands that will be playing are regular seattle bands, so please go out and support your local bands, and me. :D


cool dude, too bad I live in europe

good luck with your show, any chanxce of posting some self played Tool audio fragments?

cheers!

[KronikalsKry]

I cannot hear if he is or is not through my headphones. I have the volume all the way up and I would need more than that to hear if he is.

I did not think that Lateralus' songs were too long. I actually felt that they were too short. I honestly think that they could play a song forever, but concerts would really start to be a burden. At least that is what I would think. I have no idea as to what the next album would be like, seeing how the boys like to play mind games with their fans. Plus, you never know if they would throw a horrible album out there just to get the unreal groupies out. I would not ever doubt that from them, *smiles.
Kry

[the2stranger]

^
the thing is, I listen too a lot of bands who play long songs
(dream theater Opeth , Tool ,Porcupine Tree, pain of salvation, pink floyd, those kind of.)
but the songs they play SEEM like they only last like 3 minutes :upset:

and I'm looking forward to rhe new tool album

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

^
the thing is, I listen too a lot of bands who play long songs
(dream theater Opeth , Tool ,Porcupine Tree, pain of salvation, pink floyd, those kind of.)
but the songs they play SEEM like they only last like 3 minutes :upset:

and I'm looking forward to rhe new tool album

I swear, man. Ticks and Leeches is listed as 8:10 but definitely seems about 3 minutes long.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

James C-What day is the gig on? I live about 3-4 hours away from Seattle, and if it's convinient enough for me, I may just be able to make it. :cool: Also, where is it? Sorry if I missed that part, but just repost it if you already said it. Thanks :thumb:

EDIT: I found the info, but where the hell is El Carazon?

[corporalclegg]

Has there been any OFFICIAL word on a new Tool album?

[Daven]

I dont know about the new album they said they were gonna go heavier (which is good) but im hoping they keep the intelligent songwriting aswell


im also hoping that the new cd becomes heavier but keep the songwriting from lateralus or aenima, although the lyrics from undertow and opiate arent bad, but i prefer lateralus and aenima

[Adam Jones is GOD]

No release date has been set, so beyond the fact that we know for a fact they are working on it, no, we haven't heard anything official on it, I think I'm right in saying, although it's pretty much accepted as true it'll be out this year. I don't know if even that's been confirmed though.

this is the first post of yours i've read for a while without downloading some awesome music off a link in one. I demand you sort this :angry:

[Rothmans]

I think the new album is planned for june but will be pushed backa month or two

[TheSubtleArts]

the albums always have initial release dates that are way too early. i bet it wont be out until early 2006 (janruary is my guess), if its true that they just resently went into the studio. i would imagine there is quite a while of production, mixing, and mastering that go into a tool album

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I'm guessing November or December.

[Otherside]

I'm going to be an optimist and say before fall swings around.

[Kage]

I'm guessing November or December.

This probably isn't too inaccurate. While it's hard to really get a good guess (and that's all we have at the moment--guessing), I think late this year will be the ticket. Summer would be awesome, though.

Although I've heard that they're not doing the usual routine (write/rehearse/demo, record, mix, master) and instead writing a song, recording it, repeat. If this is true then I'd imagine it would be sooner than the former.

[Otherside]

Also keep in mind that when MJK was touring with APC that the other band members were already starting on the album.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Have your radiostations been playing A LOT of Tool lately? I remember they played a lot of Tool from '02-'03 obviously from Lateralus. BUt then after that, it was pretty rare. But in the last month, I've heard a BUNCH of different Tool songs. Or at least a lot more than usual: H., Lateralus, Schism, Sober(mainly), Stinkfist, and Ænema.

[Kage]

Tool rarely gets played on my radio stations here. Aside from the occasional Sober or Schism play, I don't think I've ever heard them.

However, one time when I went on a car trip from Houston to New Jersey, in three major cities along the way I heard stations playing Tool songs, and a lot of other good stuff too. The main song they played was Ænema.

In conclusion, the radio where I live sucks. Everytime I go to a different city there's what seems like great radio compared to my usual. No big loss for me, though, I rarely listen to it.