Tool

[mudvayne420]

**** i guess those booty licking pigs are complaining again.

[Danny Carey is GOD]

Adam Jones is GOD
What radio station do you listen to? I live near London, and im curious as to what that radio station was you mentioned earlier.

[opeth_oasis]

Thanks for the link, but I think I've tired there before. It was fairly recently that they converted it to paying only. It's too bad my harddrive crashed or I'd still have a decent version of it.

go to www.download.com, theres good file-sharing programs there

[Kage]

Yeah, I have Limewire and Soulseek, but they don't have a good video selection at all. I'm still trying to find a program that uses the same network as Kazaa, but I have yet to.

[XyleM]

Hey G_Mac07 a while ago you posted a band that sounded like tool, I downloaded that and just chucked them in a folder called: CoG. But now I have forgotten their actual name :lol: So would you be able to inform me of there name?

[Matter]

Thanks for the link, but I think I've tired there before. It was fairly recently that they converted it to paying only. It's too bad my harddrive crashed or I'd still have a decent version of it.

this is r0under. Go to Kazaa.com. DL kazaa. Do a search fpr kazaa lite. DL. Uninstall kazaa. Install kazaa lite. Haven't done this in a year but you shouldn't have a problem finding it.

[Kage]

Ha. Never thought of that. I think I'll try that, thanks.

[Darkness]

^ I got the same bullshit error you got Kage, it said to e-mail the guy so I did...


Now I silently wait for a reply...


But I got back in line for Ticks live anyway. :rolleyes:

[Kage]

^ I got the same bullshit error you got Kage, it said to e-mail the guy so I did...


Now I silently wait for a reply...


But I got back in line for Ticks live anyway. :rolleyes:

I knew it was bullshit. Oh well, I'm not going to wait another six hours with their corrupt system.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Well, earlier today I opened up 6 windows and got all six. Niiiice.

[Darkness]

Its not a corrupt system though Kage, a few months ago I downloaded The Grudge, Lateralus, Parabola video, and The Patient.

It just seems to be out of wack right now.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I got Third Eye, 46&2, The Grudge, Intolerance, and Stinkfist... All live.

[Kage]

Agghh. Maybe tonight I'll start them and have them ready (hopefully) for when I get up. I was half kidding about the corrupt system, but until I can see otherwise I'm staying with my accusations :p

[Darkness]

Heh sounds fair.

[System]

Hey fellow Tool maniacs... I was about to make a thread about tool and what people thought of them until i saw this shining beacon of hope that this forum can appreciate black metal in all its beauty.

I've been a Tool fan for about a year now, and I still havent gotten over any of their stuff. Its as if i'm listening to it for the first time, but with a better understanding of the harmonics and extravagence of it all.

Anyway- What do you visualise when listening to Tool? What do you associate with them and their music? A friend of mine put his interpretation of them in a very unique way... He said that listening to tool is like walking into a house where there are images on the walls, like wall paper, and as one walks through the house of tool, the images move and flow down the walls like water... Although, this was said after tripping and listening to them.

Please, I'd like to hear what you visualise when listening to Tool... I'll post my own in a few replys.

[Otherside]

Oh god...

[Arrakakaka]

Anybody know why Tool's music videos are so wierd?I just watched Schism and i was like, " :amaze: Jesus tapdancing Christ that was the most wierd-*** thing I've ever saw".

[BlindWriting]

The Parabol/Parabola video is weirder. Trust me.

[Darkness]

shining beacon of hope that this forum can appreciate black metal in all its beauty.

Tools black metal? Did I miss something... did the new album come out without my knowing...what year is this...

[Sleeper]

No one thinks Stinkfist is wierd?

[Kage]

Yeah, but the Parabol/Parabola video blew my mind. I just loved the part where it exploded into Parabola. That's a great video.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Yeah, but the Parabol/Parabola video blew my mind. I just loved the part where it exploded into Parabola. That's a great video.

Yup, that's their best. Got that one from sputnik7.

I thought the best live performance was The Grudge in NY. Awesome.

[TheSubtleArts]

No one thinks Stinkfist is wierd?


i think theyre all wierd

[Dude3]

Does anybody even know what their videos mean???

[G_Mac07]

Hey G_Mac07 a while ago you posted a band that sounded like tool, I downloaded that and just chucked them in a folder called: CoG. But now I have forgotten their actual name :lol: So would you be able to inform me of there name?

If your talking about a thread I made a while ago, I said the sound was like Tool meets The Butterfly Effect. That bands name is Cog, and they are probably the best up and coming band in Australia right now (my opinion).

Here's "Third Eye Open - The String Tribute to Tool" doing The Patient
http://l1.yousendit.com/d.php?id=3F5R1PVWCD8G01H7LE36NW8SGS

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Mac, the link didn't work. Do you think you could upload some of Cog as well? They sound very interesting. Hell, anything with Tool influence sounds very interesting. :p

[Kage]

The link didn't work for me either :\ I was excited.

[G_Mac07]

bugger....

/goes to fix link

kombacha, I'll find my old thread, it has perma links in it. Remember it's not Tool though, it's an influence.

[G_Mac07]

Try this
http://s33.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3IKWJ3QC1C9G13R69NTV5BLD7X

[Kage]

Ah...download in progress. Thanks a lot :thumb:

[G_Mac07]

I'm glad it's working. :thumb:

Here's the old Cog thread. Don't bump it, but use the links to get songs.
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=299215

[Dude3]

Hey, what's everybody's favorite T00L guitar riff?

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

End of Third Eye

[Darkness]

I just watched Ticks & Leeches live. It was pretty crazy... Maynard had to use that synthesizer on his voice though, and it sounded cool some parts but some other parts were kinda crappy. Oh well overall it was a great performance band wise.

[BlindWriting]

Try this
http://s33.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3IKWJ3QC1C9G13R69NTV5BLD7X
Wow, I really enjoyed hearing that. I might pick up that CD if I find it cheap enough.

[Kage]

Hey, what's everybody's favorite T00L guitar riff?

The part at the Patient ("I must keep reminding myself of this")
Jimmy intro
Pushit intro.
The ending of Parabola.

[Kage]

Wow, I really enjoyed hearing that. I might pick up that CD if I find it cheap enough.

I'm tempted to now, but there's too many CDs I need to buy first.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I'd have to say the chorus/delay riff in 'H' is fairly pristine.

The intro riff to Ænima is also pretty cool.

[Kage]

His riffing isn't necessarily my favorite part of what he does. I love the way he fills up space and his rhythmic driving, as well as the way he can build tension and release it with his playing, and he usually doesn't use more than one track for his guitar on the recordings. His textures are so unique as well because of the different chord spacings and Non-Chord tones he employs into his playing. Not to mention a good plethora of kickass riffs.

He's my favorite guitarist for his unique ability to construct songs employing so many different sounds, textures and a variety of stylings and movement on his parts in one song.

[Sleeper]

^^ Ive always noticed that aspect of his guitar playing, Its the space of sound he fills with great riffs.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

G mac, that string Tribute version of The Patient is pretty sweet. GG on the upload. :p

Kage- Do you ever get on your msn?

[Kage]

Kage- Do you ever get on your msn?

Erm...I haven't in a long time. I'll start signing on a little more often though. Right now I have a paper I have to type up. :\

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

It's rave_guitarist, correct? Or something to that effect...

[Kage]

Yeah... at hotmail.com

EDIT: I'll probably be on sometime tomorow.

[Darkness]

His riffing isn't necessarily my favorite part of what he does. I love the way he fills up space and his rhythmic driving, as well as the way he can build tension and release it with his playing, and he usually doesn't use more than one track for his guitar on the recordings.

I thought Adam doubled tracked alot. I read somewhere that schism had like 5 guitars in it.

[Kage]

I read an interview where he said he doesn't use double tracking. There are some obvious places, such as at the end of Lateralus, but I don't think he doubles that much.

[Darkness]

Oh ok.. link to interview?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Most of Third Eye is double tracked. The first solo definitely is. It's way obvious, but just thought I'd point it out. :p I can't STAND the tone of the louder solo he's playing. I think it woulda been much cooler if they would have mixed the background solo higher than the other one. :-/ I am just kind of opposed to that solo, however, the second solo of Third Eye is euphoric. :D

[Rounder]

I read an interview where he said he doesn't use double tracking. There are some obvious places, such as at the end of Lateralus, but I don't think he doubles that much.

hmm I don't know how that's possible. I can't think of a single Tool song that doesn't have more than one guitar track.

edit: If your talking about actual doubling the riff, Its not as much as other bands for sure but it's definately there.

[jamesclelland]

I read an interview where he said he doesn't use double tracking. There are some obvious places, such as at the end of Lateralus, but I don't think he doubles that much.


From what I understand, he is a firm believer in "if you can't do it live by yourself, don't do it at all" which is an excellent way to go, i personally believe in that method, but he does use layer guitar as in third eye (as you already know), bottom, not so much lateralus, he plays along to Justin using a whammy which in my experiences proves to give the effect of more than one guitar. I feel that he does an excellent job of filling in space with either single notes or chord variations that just enforce his main riffs so much more than most bands could ever think of. my question is, do they produce there own music is or there someone from volcano giving them ideas? dont tell me that tool is not self produced, please.

[joemarsh]

David Botrill is there wonderful producer, instead of making the music he gives wonderful ideas to enforce the music. Insteaed of creating he is basically beefing up tools ideas. he has been with them since Ænima.

[ThePatient]

Anyone have any live videos they'd want to post, or send me? :-*

I've checked Limewire, and I can't find any on there.

[clearvision]

Somebody upload some vids to yousendit :)

[ThePatient]

Exactly what I was thinking.

[Six Foot Revolver]

/Would also like some videos

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Im currently (attempting) to upload H now, but im thinking most of you will have this one.

Edit: Dammit, managed to cancel it. Besides, im not even sure I knew what i was doing with it. Ill try tommorrow

[Shadius]

Adam double-tracks to get a fuller and more powerful sound, but he dosn't add much stuff over the top that isn't the same riff. He likes to be able to play the vast majority of his stuff live (by himself).

[Kage]

Adam double-tracks to get a fuller and more powerful sound, but he dosn't add much stuff over the top that isn't the same riff. He likes to be able to play the vast majority of his stuff live (by himself).

That's basically what I meant. If you have any arguments, don't talk to me, I'm just the messenger :p ...it's what I read in an interview.

[Arrakakaka]

I just promoted the video of Parabol to the most wierd-*** thing I have ever saw.EVER.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I just promoted the video of Parabol to the most wierd-*** thing I have ever saw.EVER.

God****it, I fvcking love that video.

Best parts: The eye going into the body and the transition from parabol to parabola.

[Kage]

transition from parabol to parabola.

That part just left me speechless. I think my heart stopped momentarily the first time a I saw it.

[Shadius]

I do love that video.

Along with the rest actually... *pets DVD and various d/led videos*

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

That part just left me speechless. I think my heart stopped momentarily the first time a I saw it.

Haha, same here. But the part where you see the inside of the body with the fuzz affect... It was so trippy, I had a gape like I was extremely high or trippin on acid. "Whoa, duuuude..."

[BlindWriting]

When the three guys are floating in the air and start vomiting the goo, and it forms a circle, Parabola kicked in, and I almost crapped my pants.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I want my own pet grey guy with the moveable eyes.


But ill keep it away from the ball mass pet next door. Those guys dont get along well

[Arrakakaka]

When the three guys are floating in the air and start vomiting the goo, and it forms a circle, Parabola kicked in, and I almost crapped my pants.
Yea,that was a sweet transition.But the vomiting goo was kind of..uh..strange.Then it transformed,and it was awesome.

[Darkness]

I just saw a live bootleg of The Patient. It was one of the best boolegs I have ever seen. One problem = some dumbass standing next to the camra man won't shut the hell up and you can clearly hear him saying:
"LINKIN PARK IS GANNA ****IN OWN THESE GUYS"
"NOTICE HOW THE BASSIST HASN'T TURNED AROUND ONCE? TURN AROUND FAG!!"
I'm sorry.. I had to express my anger for this.

[XyleM]

One problem = some dumbass standing next to the camra man won't shut the hell up and you can clearly hear him saying:
"LINKIN PARK IS GANNA ****IN OWN THESE GUYS"

:lol:

[TheSubtleArts]

I just saw a live bootleg of The Patient. It was one of the best boolegs I have ever seen. One problem = some dumbass standing next to the camra man won't shut the hell up and you can clearly hear him saying:
"LINKIN PARK IS GANNA ****IN OWN THESE GUYS"
"NOTICE HOW THE BASSIST HASN'T TURNED AROUND ONCE? TURN AROUND FAG!!"
I'm sorry.. I had to express my anger for this.

why was linkin park and tool playing at the same show anyways? and why was tool before them? wtf

[Darkness]

Yeah I donno... must have been some kinda of festival.

[Arrakakaka]

Anyway,my sister used to live near Maynard in California a few years ago.

[Arrakakaka]

I just saw a live bootleg of The Patient. It was one of the best boolegs I have ever seen. One problem = some dumbass standing next to the camra man won't shut the hell up and you can clearly hear him saying:
"LINKIN PARK IS GANNA ****IN OWN THESE GUYS"
"NOTICE HOW THE BASSIST HASN'T TURNED AROUND ONCE? TURN AROUND FAG!!"
I'm sorry.. I had to express my anger for this.
I'd throw a boulder at his head and smash him into Justin's amp.Then I would procede to throw him in a freezing lake with a hungry pack of bears chasing him.Then,as he's being torn apart,I would take a zippo to some Linkin Park CD's.
Sorry,had to express that too.

[Kage]

I think I'll listen to the Holy Gift tomorow finally...now that I'm in a big Lateralus mood. Too late to do it tonight, but I'll have it to look forward to tomorow.

Holy Gift is the good on right?

[Dude3]

I think I'll listen to the Holy Gift tomorow finally...now that I'm in a big Lateralus mood. Too late to do it tonight, but I'll have it to look forward to tomorow.

Holy Gift is the good on right?
I did it, and I didn't notice anything. What am I suppost to be looking for?

[Kage]

Just the new feel of the album and how the lyrics relate to each other differently, I guess. Supposedly the transitions are pretty smooth between the songs in that order. I'm not exaclty sure, but it's definately subtle differences; nothing that's going to jump out at you.

[BlindWriting]

I think I'll listen to the Holy Gift tomorow finally...now that I'm in a big Lateralus mood. Too late to do it tonight, but I'll have it to look forward to tomorow.

Holy Gift is the good on right?
I thought the Holy Gift was the good one... some of the transitions were really cool, and the Parabola to Schism change will definitely suprise you.
The Lateralus Prophecy wasn't so cool, not really worth the time it took to rearrange the songs and put on crossfade playback in my iTunes preferences.

[BlindWriting]

And remember, Holy Gift is the one that ends with Disposition.
(I posted the info for this stuff a few pages back.)

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

The one problem that I have with The Holy Gift is the fact that it goes Reflection, The Patient, Disposition. I really don't think Reflection and Disposition are meant to be seperated, because they have that wierd whammy drum deal melding into each other.

[Darkness]

Yeah but your forgetting Triad. I hate when people do that... listen to the last few seconds of reflection cranked up really loud, as you can hear the intro to Triad thundering in.

[BlindWriting]

Yeah, that's probably my least favorite part about the Holy Gift. But I've actually come to like the idea of Parabol beginning the album. Still, I've always preferred the original album's tracklisting. Nothing will ever top the menacing opening of The Grudge and the eerie end of Faaip De Oiad.
And by the way, Kombucha, those were tablas that you heard at the end of Disposition and throughout Reflection.

[Kage]

Nothing will ever top the menacing opening of The Grudge and the eerie end of Faaip De Oiad.

Very nicely said. I love the original tracklisting, but I still want to try this thing.

[Werny]

I find Holy Gift at least 100 times better, but the original is still the best album ever. I *love* the way it ends with Disposition, and I also love the positioning of The Patient. Trust me, when I listen to The Patient, I think of it as a near-last song, because of the vocal styles and slow riffs. Very climatic. I don't like The Patient as the third song, it doesn't fit at all.

Oh, and that person who posted before saying that Tool are black metal... those mushrooms are really gettin' to ya...

Pearl Jam's new album comes out in May... let's hope that Tool can beat that...

[Kage]

Pearl Jam's new album comes out in May... let's hope that Tool can beat that...

I find that pretty unlikely. If they were planning a May or earlier release, there would have been some news on it already, an annoucnment of some sort that it's almost finished and even a definite date. So far we have none of the above. (at least to my knowledge)

I'm still hoping for a mid-summer release, though. I'd say maybe they're planning a surprise release, but I doubt a record company would agree to that.

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

Please send me some of the tool live stuff. AIM=PulkPullRevDoors Email=pulkpullrevolvingdoors AT Gmail DOT com

[Darkness]

I gave Lateralus its regular 4 listens today...**** that cd is just so **** good. How can anyone say linkin park owns Tool.. I just can't get over that...


Edit: I really hate how the word damn is beeped out..

[Dude3]

JUst watched the Parabola video. Its INSANE. Definately their best.
I have a question though. Tool makes a lot of references to the whole "THIRD EYE" thing in their music. What is the whole philosophy(if that's what you want to call it) behind the Third Eye thing?

[Darkness]

The Third Eye or "brow chakra" is located about 1.5 cm above your nose. Supposidly it holds wisdom or something like that and its the best place to look at when trying to view someones aura... someone else can explain this way better then me...

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Third Eye is also a reference to Bill Hicks' comedy acts as well. "Squeegying my third eye." He's the dude in the cartoon doctor in the insert of Ænima.

[Darkness]

Yeah but Bill didn't make it up.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I know, but in that million page Tool FAQ, they mention that they got the idea for the song from Hicks.

[The JoZ]

Can someone give me the order to the Holy Gift thing again?

[Dude3]

Can someone give me the order to the Holy Gift thing again?
Parabol
Parabola
Schism
Ticks and Leeches
Mantra
Lateralus
Faaip de Oiad
The Grudge
Triad
Eon Blue Apocalypse
Disposition
Reflection
The Patient

[Huber]

That's the order where they all go into eachother perfectly? I've been meaning to try that....

[Kage]

I was going to do it today but of course I didn't get around to it.

[Huber]

I'm ripping it right now, and I'm gunna do it....

[Kage]

woo! I'll get around to it one day...

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

It doesn't work. Reflection has to be before Triad.

[Huber]

It isn't working well anyways

Mantra went into Lateralus very smoothly, and Faaip went into The Grudge cleanly, and Reflection went into The Patient kinda smoothly. Otherwise the transitions weren't to smooth.

Edit: and obviously Parabol went into Parabola.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Wait till the end. It gets downright pointless. :p

[Kage]

Hmm... I think it may be about more than the transitions. It has to do with the development and feel of the overall album more than the transitions.

[Huber]

Until the end?

[Huber]

Hmm... I think it may be about more than the transitions. It has to do with the development and feel of the overall album more than the transitions.

Oh, I thought the transitions were supposed to be perfect or something. Well, I'll sit here and see how this version of the album feels....

[Kage]

I think it's reading too far into it anyway. I doubt they actually did it on purpose, but I guess anything is possible.

[Huber]

Parabol/Parabola are definetly bar none better opening tracks than The Grudge.

Edit: The first notes of Schism made me shiver a bit after hearing Parabola. You know, that whole, musical G-Spot thing. When something happens that's really just, right? Yeah, that kinda shiver.

[BlindWriting]

Parabol
Parabola
Schism
Ticks and Leeches
Mantra
Lateralus
Faaip de Oiad
The Grudge
Triad
Eon Blue Apocalypse
Reflection
The Patient
Disposition
There, fixed. And remember:
6,7,5,8,4,9,13,1,12,2,11,3,10

[Darkness]

What about Schism into Ticks? I like that, as Schism ends with some double bass then Ticks intros with double bass..

[mudvayne420]

Hey Darkness,
that one post you put up where that guy emailed you with a diff. order, i can see what he's sayin. but, he forgot to put ticks and leeches into the mix, because you know how he says " my fruit is bruised and borrow you thieving bastards you have turned my blood cold and bitter feed my compasion black and blue" he basically sayin that he's tired and worked out from this album then he says " hope this is what you wanted, hope this is what you had in mind, cause this is what your getting." he says that hopefully this is what we wanted and yes we wanted and loved it, sucking him dry. in which the order for that guys theory would be 8,9,2,1,3,6,7,10,11,12,4,5,13.
YES, eon blue apocalypse is before the grudge because if you listen to the end feedback of the bass in lateralus REALLY REALLY carefully it sounds like the beginning to EBA.

[Huber]

What about Schism into Ticks? I like that, as Schism ends with some double bass then Ticks intros with double bass..

That was another G-Spot. But then again, I love Ticks and Leeches, and it's always a musical G-Spot.

[Huber]

Okay, do I have the right alternate order? Or is there multiple theories on this and I just wasted the last 2 hours of my life?

[mudvayne420]

there are many theories but, IMO the one that dude found out would probably be the closest i've seen. it goes together greatly with the mood of the music and the lyrics.

[ThePatient]

I think the whole thing is just thinking way too much into it. But whatever floats your boat.

[mudvayne420]

MAybe thats what maynard wanted you to think(sarcastically said)

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

Please send me some of the tool live stuff. AIM=PulkPullRevDoors Email=pulkpullrevolvingdoors AT Gmail DOT com
Bueller, bueller

[Danny Carey is GOD]

I just saw a live bootleg of The Patient. It was one of the best boolegs I have ever seen. One problem = some dumbass standing next to the camra man won't shut the hell up and you can clearly hear him saying:
"LINKIN PARK IS GANNA ****IN OWN THESE GUYS"
"NOTICE HOW THE BASSIST HASN'T TURNED AROUND ONCE? TURN AROUND FAG!!"
I'm sorry.. I had to express my anger for this.
That is such a great video. Except for that tit shouting that crap. "I must keep reminding myself of this." Part is so good. Musicgasm. Adam turns around and looks at Maynard and is just like, "nice".

[Adam Jones is GOD]

For those trying the 'holy order', if you play each track back to back in Winamp or similar program, it loses its desired effect. Its been said that the album was made in such a way that if played off anythig but the original it loses something.(possibly a salt moment there).

But I do know the only way to make it work is to somewho mix them so that the tracks run seamlessly into one another. Try it out on a multi track program.

(Note:I have never tried this before, but i've heard from those who have that this works best)

[Kage]

I guess iTunes would be a good program to use, because you can get the tracks to fade into one another pretty well. Sometimes it actually ruins it because the song fades out too quickly and the transition is shattered, but it seems like it would work nicely for this.

I want to see that Patient video, so far no luck with that musictelevision sucks site :\

[joemarsh]

I want to see that Patient video, so far no luck with that musictelevision sucks site :\

www.tooltributeband.com has the video but your not missing much because of some a$$ hole in the crowd

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I want to see that Patient video, so far no luck with that musictelevision sucks site :\

If someone will tell me what im doing wrong with yousendit, ill upload it. So far i've had several unsuccessful attempts

[MyShrimpDied]

It's a really good video, perfect veiw and stuff. The guy in the crowd didnt even matter, not like he ruined the video.

[Bartender]

If someone will tell me what im doing wrong with yousendit, ill upload it. So far i've had several unsuccessful attempts

I could try and help you figure out what to do. What are you doing at the moment?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

The specify email adress part gets me. I've seen people who allow multiple people to download a file, so im guessing they left the recipients part blank. If thats the case, im on the right track. If not, then im lost.

[clearvision]

Leave it blank...you get the link at the end :)

[Bartender]

Either put your own email into it (so you can always have the link handy, in your inbox), or leave it blank. Or put some random email in, I suppose. Whichever you do, once the file has uploaded, yousendit gives you a copy of the link anyway, which you can post as you want.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Leave it blank...you get the link at the end :)

Ah, so I am on the right track then. Which means its a problem with my files then.

/goes fault finding

[Bartender]

Unless the file you're trying to upload is over a gigabyte in size, it shouldn't make a difference what it is, as far as I can tell :-/

[Adam Jones is GOD]

One came close, but i think the files are just dodgy in a way. trying again with one I know is fine

[clearvision]

Zip 'em up?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Im zipping up the H video, but the Patient video is only about 20Mb, plus i've started uploading it now in any case

[Bartender]

One came close, but i think the files are just dodgy in a way. trying again with one I know is fine

Close to a gigabyte? :-/

What are you trying to upload?

[clearvision]

Videos.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

No, one came close to working. Thankfully no vid is close to a gig, otherwise I would be hoping for better than reality quality

Edit: Great. H zipped from 65Mb to 60Mb

[clearvision]

:lol:

Y'know where to send the links first... ;) robertchapman88 @ gmail.com ...My friend had a schism vid on his comp yesterday, i wasn't too impressed, the band just seemed like it was another day at the office, no enthusiasm etc.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Yeah, the Schism video I have really sucks performnace wise, till Adam's little floating riff dynamic explosion part. But it was a very Danny focused video.

The H video I have is great though, close up of Adam going nuts on the solo part. His shredding style is such a cool sight

[Dude3]

Morpheus is good for Tool videos. Just go to Morpheus.com, and download the free version. They have just about everything. :D

I have a question by the way. You know in the Parabola video, when the guy cuts open the apple open? First they show on the apple an outline of a star, then the star of David, and then another symbol. What is the last symbol?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Im not sure, I rarely get to see that video. Is it the symbol where the hands are crossing you're referring to?

And yousendit really does not like me. it seems to have stopped doing everything. Ill leave it though and see what happens

[clearvision]

It does take ages, i uploaded Aenima (the album) for someone the other day, it took like an hour :(

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I think ill set off multiple uploads and come back before I go to bed. This one 20Mb video is taking long enough

[Bartender]

And yousendit really does not like me. it seems to have stopped doing everything. Ill leave it though and see what happens

What browser are you using? If you're using one that has a little bit in the bottom left corner of the screen (saying things like "Done"), then look there; if the file is still uploading, it should say something like "sending request to http://s19.yousendit.com...". If it says nothing, then the file has failed, but that is very rare (only happened to me once). If it says anything else, you're on your own.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Im using firefox, and out of the two i've got running, one says done, and the other has 'sending request...etc,etc'
ll just sit and wait I guess

[clearvision]

Have a look at your lil network icon in the bottom right hand corner of the task bar...If the bytes sent is increasing at a good rate you are probably uploading and it will be ok.

[Txus]

Tool are my all time fav. band i have larned so much in this thread!

[Darkness]

To everyone who wanted to see that patient video, here:
http://www.tooltributeband.com/flood/videos/videos.html

Guess I shoulda posted that earlier...

And to that dude who said that other dude who e-mailed me forgot about ticks, he didn't he said ticks didn't fit in the order so he left it out.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Dammit, just as I got mine to upload....

Ill upload H some point this weekend. And MJK fighting the fan for those who (somehow) missed it

[BlindWriting]

And MJK fighting the fan for those who (somehow) missed it
Cool, I've heard a lot about that, and I'd definitely like to see it.

[Darkness]

Yeah the pushit video..thats great.

[Bartender]

Cool, I've heard a lot about that, and I'd definitely like to see it.

I've heard nothing about it..what happened?

[Darkness]

At a tool concert during pushi t a fan jumped on stage and went to hug maynard but and he faked it and then flipped him over and started beating on him.

[Sleeper]

Can you dl that?

[Darkness]

I got it off of Winmx... you can get it off me on there if you have it...

[horseman]

trust maynard....hes a funny sort

[Darkness]

Hows that relevant?

[horseman]

what....."trust maynard....hes a funny sort"......because hes funny....and i could see him beating up a fan.....'hes a funny sort'

[Darkness]

Right...thanks for clearing that up.

[horseman]

not a problem........spiral out brothers

[Otherside]

At a tool concert during pushi t a fan jumped on stage and went to hug maynard but and he faked it and then flipped him over and started beating on him.


Yah... except not?


He flipped him over, sat on him, and kept on singing.


When you go to military school, you learn things like that.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

That's funny as hell. refl.

Where exactly is Westpoint?

[G_Mac07]

The Maynard 'fighting' fan video shouldn't be known as a fighting video.

And here's Opiate by Third Eye Open if anyone wants it.
http://s47.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=03AOLZEINC0EW3JS0151NAQ6UU

[Otherside]

Hey Gmac, you needs to fix your avatr m8. By the way, what Opeth albums you got?

[G_Mac07]

I know, I havent got a photo editing program for now though, so I'll stay with this for the next 2 weeks until I go home again. Then I shall start promoting Cog's upcoming album.

And I've picked up Deliverance, Still Life and Morningrise since I've moved. :thumb:

[Otherside]

Nice, I have BLP and Morningrise, I can't decide which one I should get next. I'm thinking of Deliverance...

[G_Mac07]

May I suggest you get Still Life :p

Although I think Deliverance is heavier/faster than SL if that's what your looking for.

[Otherside]

So SL is more like Morningrise? Because that's definitly my favorite of theirs that I've heard so far :\

[G_Mac07]

Yeah I guess so, and I'm told SL is more like BWP as well. Plus SL if my favourite from what I have so far.

If this is to continue we should probably switch threads.

[Otherside]

Nah it's ok, I was just trying to some personal opinions. Back to the Tool.. discussion...

[Kage]

I know, I havent got a photo editing program for now though, so I'll stay with this for the next 2 weeks until I go home again. Then I shall start promoting Cog's upcoming album.

And I've picked up Deliverance, Still Life and Morningrise since I've moved. :thumb:

You did realize he meant that your avatar is distorted because you didn't re-upload it from the crash a few weeks ago?

[G_Mac07]

You did realize he meant that your avatar is distorted because you didn't re-upload it from the crash a few weeks ago?

Yep, I knew that. I was away for those couple of weeks as I was moving, and only got my laptop last week. Which means now I'm back, but I just have no cool avatar sized pics.

[Otherside]

Here G, I made you an avatar.

http://img228.exs.cx/img228/1170/gmac6tx.jpg

[G_Mac07]

Thanks champ :thumb:

[Kage]

heh...very nice :lol:

[Otherside]

Thanks champ :thumb:

Heh, no problem :smoke:

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I especially like the period. refl.

[Darkness]

Yah... except not?


He flipped him over, sat on him, and kept on singing.


When you go to military school, you learn things like that.

Have you not seen the video? He grabs the guys hand and starts hitting him in the face with it. But yeah I coulda mentioned that he keeps singing.

Also, another guy gets on stage and a security guard body checks him off the stage.

[Otherside]

Have you not seen the video? He grabs the guys hand and starts hitting him in the face with it. But yeah I coulda mentioned that he keeps singing.

Also, another guy gets on stage and a security guard body checks him off the stage.

Are we talking about the same thing? The one where the guy gets on stage to hug Maynard, which MJK pretends to return but flips him over and sits on him? I never remember him hitting him in the face.

[G_Mac07]

Are we talking about the same thing? The one where the guy gets on stage to hug Maynard, which MJK pretends to return but flips him over and sits on him? I never remember him hitting him in the face.

Thats what I've seen. I've never heard of anything quite like what Darkness Of Greed is describing. :confused:

[Dude3]

I don't think he was hitting him in the face. To me, it looked like the fan was moving his fist to the music. Rocking out.

[Darkness]

Yeah I was wrong (ha sorry). Maynard flips him, wraps his legs and arms around him then rolls so hes sitting on top of him and starts patting him on the back and the guy raises his fist. Then the other dude comes on and the guard pushes him off.

Maynard also says something weird into the mic when hes sitting on him..can anyone make it out?

Sorry, I shoulda got my facts straight...its been easily a year since I've seen the video.

[KronikalsKry]

I was reading this post from the beginning, at page 7 I started to wonder how long the thread was. I was blown away! 170 pages, no f***ing way was I going to read all of them. It is almost a book in here. Well, I am going to stray away and write my feelings on an APC song: My interpretation was much along the lines of a possessive person tords something that had belonged to them.

Artist: A Perfect Circle
Song: The Package

Clever got me this far
Then tricky got me in

This I thought was a constructed form of deceit. Clever, meaning the person knew how to construct sentances, or motions, to portray the deceitful manner. Tricky, meaning that the person stuck to the lie (deceit), which help them in.

Eye on what I'm after

To me this is no different to a father telling his son to keep his eye on the ball or he wont catch it, or hit it.

I don't need another friend

Let's just face it friends can get in the way of our goals, by trying to achieve their own.

Smile and drop the cliche
'Till you think I'm listening

Here the person has used their cleverness to lour in the bait. The bait depends on what the person wants, which the song doesn't express.

I take just what I came for
Then I'm out the door again

I would have to say that this is self explanitory.

Peripheral long the package

I would have to say that this is a part, an extra piece. Anotherward the part is the package wraped.

Don't care to settle in
Time to feed the monster

A clever person wouldn't want to settle in, just for the fact that they might be exposed for the decietful action(s). Here I believe the monster is the persons mind.

I don't need another friend

Comfort is a mystery
Crawling out of my own skin

Of course reminding themselves of the trickery in them. Their ability to decieve and maintain it.

Just give me what I came for, then I'm out the door again

Lie to get what I came for
Lie to get just what I need
Lie to get what I crave
Lie and smile to get what's mine

Here it seems as though the person is feeling shame for what they have to do just to get what they want. Putting on a false identity.

Eye on what I'm after
I don't need another friend

Nod and watch your lips move
If you need me to pretend

Here I don't fully understand, it could mean a couple things. First, it could mean that the person follows their ways in deceit and just ignores what the another is talking about. On the other hand, it could be a loved one, or another person, that cann't bare being without someone humering them.

Because clever got me this far
Then tricky got me in
I'll take just what I came for
Then I'm out the door again

Lie to get what I came for
Lie to get what I need now
Lie to get what I'm craving
Lie and smile to get what's mine

Give this to me
Mine, mine, mine
Take what's mine
Mine, mine, mine
Take what's mine
Mine, mine, mine

The person sounds weak to me at this point, gasping for air. Demanding their piece of package. Although I perceive it as though it is being taken away. The song goes on to emphasis these points. I did, in a way stray from my original point, tords more of a person that was robbed of their peice of package. I will admit that I didn't express exactly what made me draw to that conclusion, but I would explain it if I knew how to.

Although, I thought it was also through the perspctive of some one chatting on line. "I'll take just what I came for, Then I'm out the door again" I sort of seen it as a chat room. Silly way of seeing it though.
Kry

[Otherside]

Since The Package is my favorite track from 13th step, I will share my interpretation of it, in a first person mode.


i am what i'm after
i don't need another friend.

In other words, I am only looking for what makes me feel good, I don't need other people to help me do this, I only need the package

smile and drop the cliche
till you think i'm listening
take just what i came for
then i'm out the door again.

When people try to get friendly over something, just nod your head and say ok until you get what you came for then leave.

peripheral on the package
don't care to settle in
time to feed the monster
i don't need another friend

Again, I don't need any place that I feel comfortable, just as long as I can make myself feel good.

comfort is a mystery
crawling out of my own skin
just give me what i came and
i'm out the door again

I can no longer find comfort, I just need it, more more of it

Give this to me
Take what's mine
Mine, mine, mine
Take what's mine
Give this to me

I get angry here, demanding the package, just give it to me I need it.



give this to me.

take what's mine.
take what's mine.
mine.
take what's mine.
take what's mine.
take what's mine.
this is mine.
mine.
all mine.

And here is where I crumble, I soley depend on the package, and without it I feel as if I have no substance, and beg for it.



In other words, The Package = drugs.

[Kage]

That's also what I got from it. Isn't the album something of a concept album dealing with that sort of thing?

[Otherside]

That's also what I got from it. Isn't the album something of a concept album dealing with that sort of thing?

Yup. It's a vague concept album that deals with drug addiction. Some people claim that 13th stepping is the process of taking drug rehab but not really quitting. I don't know, that doesn't fit with me, not as gravity as an ending track.

[Kage]

Well, I think vague is the key word there. I don't understand how songs like Pet, Blue, and The Outsider have anything to do with it. I actually haven't thought all too much about it, but unless it's taking it from different points of view, I just don't see all the connections.

[Otherside]

The outsider could be about the drug addict, and how he/she is a fake suicidal/an attention whore.

[Kage]

So it's obviously not so much a personal account as it is just lyrical themes dealing with the same issue.

[G_Mac07]

Well, I think vague is the key word there. I don't understand how songs like Pet, Blue, and The Outsider have anything to do with it. I actually haven't thought all too much about it, but unless it's taking it from different points of view, I just don't see all the connections.

I pretty much agree with that. Perhaps I'm not seeing something but the entire album doesn't seem to fit as a concept album would.

Anyway, great to see some song meanings back in this thread. I can't wait to do this with the new album :thumb:

[Kage]

I sort of see the album as starting out with the Package where he gets the "drug" or whatever it will be, and the rest of the album is sort of the process of being messed up by it. For example, Weak And Powerless explores how he cannot live without it, etc...then the Noose talks about how he's basically hurting those around him as well as himself. Blue talks about how as a result of his "addictions" he is almost unable to maintain human affection and relationships. Vanishing is the actual act of dissappearing from the world, getting "high" and running away from it...vanishing into the air and forgetting his problems.

After this, the lyrics seem to switch from generally first person to being generally third person. Perhaps this reflects the outside view of the person (he becomes a Stranger and an Oustider) or maybe to reflect a dream-like, hazy state.

[Otherside]

Take stranger and outsider both as third person. During stranger, this person is semi-interested in the drug addict, and considered becomming friends with the person.

During outsider, the friendship is over and the person hates the addict because he/she knows him/her better.

[Kage]

I think it sort of shows the different levels of corruption that's involved in it. The person is, like you said, at first considering befriending the addict, etc. It's sort of like the corruption of innocence, he goes from being a nice person and then becomes more cynical (the Outsider) because of his experiences with the addict.

[Werny]

Are you guys allowed to post APC stuff in here? Because this is kinda a Tool thread.

There are three possibilities for the new album:

1) One disc of 3 or 4 10 minute or longer songs
2) Two discs of 10 minute or longer songs
3) LK is the only REALLY long song.

[Six Foot Revolver]

yes this is the place for APC stuff aswell but haven't APC broke up?

[clearvision]

No. They are on Hiatus while Maynard is with tool.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Ah ha! At last.

MJK shows us the art of self defence (http://s25.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=10FE9LI2MP3BC3GOW5N0FYDUV9)

Uploading H at some later point. I still have Schism and about 30 secs of Eulogy easily available too

[G_Mac07]

yes this is the place for APC stuff aswell but haven't APC broke up?


Yes this is also the place for Apc and drunkeness. As I asked before, does anyone know anything about Zaum(sp?). they're mention in the thread preview but that all ive heard about them.

10 min post ++ :p:chug:

[BlindWriting]

I'll run through each track of Thirteenth Step, and write my basic opinion of what each one means in terms of the drug theme.

The Package is about a drug addict doing basically whatever it takes to get his fix.

Weak and Powerless is a drug addict coming to realize that he's lost control over his own life, and he's basically powerless over the fact that he requires drugs.

The Noose is about the friend of a recovered addict who is congratulating him on his recent recovery, but also questioning the former addict on how he will make amends for some of the horrible things he has done under the influence (having possibly killed people).

Blue is about two people taking a drug, and one of them has an overdose and begins to die on the spot. The other person is too high to do anything, so he just watches as his friend dies.

Vanishing describes the actual act of taking the drug. The user basically feels like he's transcending his physical reality, and begins to drift a way, in a sense.

A Stranger is an interesting one. I read an excellent theory online that the drug user has lost his faith in god, as the lyrics metaphorically describe the father ("****ing tornado") the son ("terrified child") and the holy ghost ("shy away phantom"). However, it could merely be about a counselor or friend trying to help an addict, but giving up too easily.

The Outsider is sung from the perspective of someone who knows the drug addict, and has become angry at what the addict is doing to himself.

Crimes tells of someone who has literally been incarcerated for something having to do with his addiction. The counting in the song (one, two, three, etc.) is a method in anger management/recovery programs which tells you to count to ten in order to avoid unleashing anger. The voices in the background could be other inmates in the prison (though it's actually Billy, Jeordie, and Josh).

The Nurse Who Loved Me is about an addict who has basically lost his mind. Placed in a institution, he dreams of unreal things, such as the love of one of the nurses.

Pet is a difficult one to figure out, though the connection it has to eMOTIVe, in the form of Counting Bodies, is much more obvious.

Lullaby doesn't really meaning anything, it's basically and extended end to Pet.

Finally, Gravity tells of someone who did manage to recover, and has found life again.

Also, unlike many other theories, I don't believe the album centers on one particular drug addict. Rather, each song tells of a different one.

Those are just my personal interpretations, I know there are many different theories out there.

[Danny Carey is GOD]

Any Tool fans who really don't like APC in here?
There must be a few.
I'm not one of them, although i would rather see another 2 Tool Albums than one of each.

[jamesclelland]

Mer de noms was bad ***. they imo went downhill from there. 13th step was ok, noose, gravity were amazing. but i only liked passive off of emotion. i agree all the way man, two from tool is much better than one from each.

[Darkness]

13th Step was great man...

[Huber]

I hated APC at first, and about two weeks ago I took Mer De Noms for another spin. Now I'm wearing an APC shirt and I'm covering Judith with my friends. I guess it just takes a few listens.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Its usually the other way round with people I know. They fall in love with APC, yet hate Tool.

[Otherside]

AJG, have you heard any Mars Volta?

[Arrakakaka]

Its usually the other way round with people I know. They fall in love with APC, yet hate Tool.
I love both Tool and A Perfect Circle.It's two sides of Maynard's writing capabilities.Anyway,what's your favorite piece by MJK?Mine is "3 Libras".

[Adam Jones is GOD]

AJG, have you heard any Mars Volta?

Only the tracks that have videos to accompany them. I was going to get FTM last week, but decided on the new Mogwai instead. Fair to say, im still waiting to dig my teeth into them

[Otherside]

You want me to upload their first cd for you? It's major ace.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Set me up with a few tracks, that are not the Esp one or televators. il probably end up buying both in either case

[Otherside]

Ok, I'll upload Roulette Dares and Take The Veil Cerpin Taxt, those are pretty good.

[Otherside]

Roulette Dares (http://s22.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2UKTJMYKWAB5U01HSQRO49UZCP)

Take The Veil Cerpin Taxt (http://s12.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=266BDTL3EV3FO0IW5XN8JZRTN)

Enoy.

[jamesclelland]

mars volta has an amazing live show, i saw with a perfect circle and well it reminded my (in an odd way) of a zeppelin show. the way they improv (nothing there was exactly the way it was on the versions i've heard anyway) the energy, the acoustics were bad (**** tacoma dome) but excellent show.

[jamesclelland]

btw, i'm getting a live dvd of a tool show, it's bootlegged for sure, i'll let you all know if i got really ripped off or just a little ripped off. suposed to have:
sober, flood, stinkfist, parabola, eba, patient, aenima, lateralus, etc...

[clearvision]

AJIG, buy de-loused instead of FTM :) ... FTM is too prog and deloused has just sucha good feel to it :) ... FTM is good too, just not as good.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Will do, I learned not to buy a bands latest first to get into them.

And, as promised....

http://s25.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2WRJDJOTBE6Z016WGNN0QOVED3

Enjoy live H. Someone had better be downloading these

[Otherside]

Will do, I learned not to buy a bands latest first to get into them.

And, as promised....

http://s25.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2WRJDJOTBE6Z016WGNN0QOVED3

Enjoy live H. Someone had better be downloading these


Downloading now... did you like those songs?

[Kage]

I'm downloading H right now, so your efforts are not wasted. :thumb:

[clearvision]

I'm dloading them AJIG, cheers...can anyone upload the music television vids, and anymore they have? I don't fancy sitting ina Q for hours.

[TheSubtleArts]

im downloading it now

[Neurotoxin]

Listen to TOOL at 1.4x speed. It's quite an interesting listen, and believe me, it's awesome.

Recommended Songs:

46&2 (This whole song sounds so good.)
Lateralus (The last half of this song is great.)
Parabola (The intro simply... plows? It's awesome.)

46&2 and Lateralus at 1.4x sound better than they do at normal speed.

Be warned though, after listening to some of the songs at 1.4x speed, the songs at regular speed may seem boring.

[Dude3]

Listen To Tool At 1.4x Speed. You Will Love Me.

Recommended Songs:

46&2 (aaaaaamazing)
Lateralus (the Last Half Is Soooo Good)
Parabola (the Intro Sounds So... I Just Want To Rock Out)

Now! Do It!

(sorry For The Caps Lock, My Keyboard Is Broken And I Don't Feel Like Holding Shift All The Time)
why listen to them at 1.4x speed??? :confused:

[Neurotoxin]

...they haven't released new material in how long?

Sometimes it's nice to change it up and try something new.

[Werny]

Any Tool fans who really don't like APC in here?
There must be a few.
I'm not one of them, although i would rather see another 2 Tool Albums than one of each.

Well I only listen to about 3 APC songs, so yeah I guess I don't like them. They're just monotonous, too radio-friendly for my tastes (I have a phobia).

I think it's good for Maynard though, because if he had no place to sing simple, short, pop songs, then he'd probably get bored of singing all of these 6 minute songs.

[Kage]

I wouldn't call APC songs "simple, short, pop songs."

I used to despise APC. The first time I heard them, I was sort of determined not to like them, because I didn't want to like them better than Tool. So eventually my friend bought both their albums and I lsitened to them, but everytime I tried to get into them I was in this weird mindset that I shouldn't like them, so I didn't.

Then it progressed into a loathing because they kept taking time away from what Maynard could be spending with Tool. I knew it was rediculous, and I just kept thinking This is good stuff, this music is exactly the kind of stuff I like, yet I don't like it. Finally, one day I sat down and blasted Thirteenth Step at full volume, and it melted away all my pre-set biases and blew me away. Now I'm a huge fan.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

APC? They're not Tool. I think that APC is a lot more melodic and catchy than Tool. However, I think that Tool is a lot more creative, thought-provoking, and just more interesting.

But I try not to compare these bands because they're different styles. Some people consider APC a "prog" band. I disagree, the stuff I hear from them doesn't sound particularly "ground-breaking" per se. Their songs have a clear beat. Tool does not.

I guess I went on a bit of a tangent, but I like both bands and for different reasons. I like Tool more overall, because it gives you more of a lasting effect.

[something erotic]

i tried mixin' lateralus with aenima, and it worked quite well (on my computer atleast)
Parabol
Parabola
Faaip De Oaid
Mantra
46&2
Eon Blue Apocalypse
Cesaro Summability
Disposition
Pu****
The Grudge
Eulogy
The Patient
Reflection
Ænema
Ticks and Leeches
Hooker With A *****
Useful Idiot
Message To Harry Manback
Jimmy
Die Eier Von Satan
Schism
Triad
Stinkfist
Lateralus
(-) Ions
Intermission
Third Eye
H.

Some of it really didnt work, like Intermission into Third Eye, but all i did was hit random and then move around a couple things


and i had to do some precious erasing of seconds of song endings

[Kage]

APC? They're not Tool. I think that APC is a lot more melodic and catchy than Tool. However, I think that Tool is a lot more creative, thought-provoking, and just more interesting.

But I try not to compare these bands because they're different styles. Some people consider APC a "prog" band. I disagree, the stuff I hear from them doesn't sound particularly "ground-breaking" per se. Their songs have a clear beat. Tool does not.

I guess I went on a bit of a tangent, but I like both bands and for different reasons. I like Tool more overall, because it gives you more of a lasting effect.


Yes, I agree with you mostly. I don't think APC and Tool have much ground to be compared, because they are significantly different styles. I just had an assciation, which is obviously because of Maynard.

But I view APC as a completely seperate entity as Tool, and obviously they are. I definately like Tool more. They're more powerful as a band, and I like them better as seperate instrumentalists as well.

I think APC is prog, but in a more alternative sense and probably one of the simpler prog bands. If nothing else they're an Alternative band.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I just don't get how they're "prog"... Their songs are melodic and have pretty typical beats. Maynard's vocals are superb, but that's a different thing.

The Mars Volta is a prog alt band because they are really "all over the place" in a good way. There's a lot of change, not a lot of chorus nor are there repetetive riffs.

[TheSubtleArts]

i tried mixin' lateralus with aenima, and it worked quite well (on my computer atleast)
Parabol
Parabola
Faaip De Oaid
Mantra
46&2
Eon Blue Apocalypse
Cesaro Summability
Disposition
Pu****
The Grudge
Eulogy
The Patient
Reflection
Ænema
Ticks and Leeches
Hooker With A *****
Useful Idiot
Message To Harry Manback
Jimmy
Die Eier Von Satan
Schism
Triad
Stinkfist
Lateralus
(-) Ions
Intermission
Third Eye
H.

Some of it really didnt work, like Intermission into Third Eye, but all i did was hit random and then move around a couple things


and i had to do some precious erasing of seconds of song endings


why H. last? Third Eye is the best closing song i think if your combining them.

[Kage]

Eh, I'm not exactly sure. Prog is so broad that it's really hard to argue. For the sake of clarity, though, I'll just call them Alternative.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

i tried mixin' lateralus with aenima, and it worked quite well (on my computer atleast)
Parabol
Parabola
Faaip De Oaid
Mantra
46&2
Eon Blue Apocalypse
Cesaro Summability
Disposition
Pu****
The Grudge
Eulogy
The Patient
Reflection
Ænema
Ticks and Leeches
Hooker With A *****
Useful Idiot
Message To Harry Manback
Jimmy
Die Eier Von Satan
Schism
Triad
Stinkfist
Lateralus
(-) Ions
Intermission
Third Eye
H.

Some of it really didnt work, like Intermission into Third Eye, but all i did was hit random and then move around a couple things


and i had to do some precious erasing of seconds of song endings

My iTunes automatically erases seconds off songs... It pissed me off for everything except for Son Et Lumiere into Inertiatic ESP by the Mars Volta. That worked quite well.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I have gone through multiple stages with APC. At first, I liked them quite a bit, then, after about 5 or so listens through 13th step, I stopped listening to it. Then, about a month later, I popped it into my cd player while I was on a road trip. I found it to be extremely boring. I let it collect dust for another 2 months, then I popped it back in, and found it ok. My new outlook on APC is that it is Maynard's outlet to make radio rock so that with Tool, he can do a bunch of expirimental stuff. :-/ This is, of course, the abridged version, but you get what I am getting at, I think.

[BlindWriting]

I just don't get how they're "prog"... Their songs are melodic and have pretty typical beats. Maynard's vocals are superb, but that's a different thing.

The Mars Volta is a prog alt band because they are really "all over the place" in a good way. There's a lot of change, not a lot of chorus nor are there repetetive riffs.
While APC do incorporate many progressive elements into their music, I generally consider them alternative/metal/art rock. Art rock in itself is kind of like progressive rock's little brother.

[opeth_oasis]

I wouldn't call APC songs "simple, short, pop songs."

I used to despise APC. The first time I heard them, I was sort of determined not to like them, because I didn't want to like them better than Tool. So eventually my friend bought both their albums and I lsitened to them, but everytime I tried to get into them I was in this weird mindset that I shouldn't like them, so I didn't.

Then it progressed into a loathing because they kept taking time away from what Maynard could be spending with Tool. I knew it was rediculous, and I just kept thinking This is good stuff, this music is exactly the kind of stuff I like, yet I don't like it. Finally, one day I sat down and blasted Thirteenth Step at full volume, and it melted away all my pre-set biases and blew me away. Now I'm a huge fan.

yeha i love thirteenth step, i know most wont agree but i prefer it over mer de noms

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

art rock is prog rock, as far as I'm concerned. And, by no stretch are APC metal. :lol: I don't even consider Tool metal. :rolleyes: Not like it matters.

[opeth_oasis]

jake, how do u change your name?

[Kage]

art rock is prog rock, as far as I'm concerned. And, by no stretch are APC metal. :lol: I don't even consider Tool metal. :rolleyes: Not like it matters.

Like I've said, Prog rock is so broad that the terms are almost interchangable. Straight up art-rock is not necessarily Prog and vice-versa.

[Kage]

yeha i love thirteenth step, i know most wont agree but i prefer it over mer de noms

I also prefer Thirteenth Step over Mer De Noms, simply because it's a more well-rounded album than Mer De Noms. Mer has some of their greatest songs, but the last half is weaker than the first half and not near as consistent (if the last half had lived up to the first half in terms of greatness, it would probably be better), whereas Thirteenth Step was very much coherent as a full album, and also included some of their best songs.

[Huber]

Are there sites similar to toolshed.down.net?

[One Groovin Clown]

I also prefer Thirteenth Step over Mer De Noms, simply because it's a more well-rounded album than Mer De Noms. Mer has some of their greatest songs, but the last half is weaker than the first half and not near as consistent (if the last half had lived up to the first half in terms of greatness, it would probably be better), whereas Thirteenth Step was very much coherent as a full album, and also included some of their best songs.

i loved both the albums, i choose each cd according to what mood i'm in, nice and relaxed and just want to chill, 13th step, have a little energy and dont want alot of slow songs, mer de noms, and if i want passive or imagine, eMOTIVE.


But over all, i can maybe listen to them everyonce and while, but with tool, my day starts and ends with lateralus. The only album i can never be bored of..... ever

[Shadius]

I like both bands almost equally now. I got into Tool first, and didn't really like APC at first, but after a few listens I really began to love them. At the moment i'm very much into them, and their songs don't really get boring, I disagree that APC are simply short, pop songs. The fact is, most people in the UK have never heard of APC or Tool, i've never seen a video from either band played on a music channel here. Besides that, APC has more longevity than the vast majority of pop music. I don't get bored of their good songs, and I would consider much of their music to be classic (ie: In ten years I could see myself putting 3 Libras on, or whatever), much the same with Tool.

There's no doubt that APC is more melodic than Tool, intrumentally, and with the vocals generally. This dosn't make it pop music by a long shot.

Anyway, two very different bands, love them both equally.

The only distinction I can make is that if i ever saw them live, i'd want Tool to play like a 3+ hour set, while i'd be satisfied with APC playing for an hour or two. I think this comes in the music style, and how long the songs are generally though, not necesserally because Tool are "better".

Edit: Oh, I was pleasently suprised to hear Passive in the movie Constantine, one of my favourite APC songs. The movie itself was actually better than I thought it would be, (I had low expectations).

[something erotic]

why H. last? Third Eye is the best closing song i think if your combining them.



meh...when i finished, i noticed H. wasn't there so i just stuck it at the bottom

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I'd take Triad over Third Eye for a closer. They're both two of my favorite Tool songs. Probably 2 of my favorite guitar solos as well. (The 2nd one in Third Eye, at least.)

[Sleeper]

Edit: Oh, I was pleasently suprised to hear Passive in the movie Constantine, one of my favourite APC songs. The movie itself was actually better than I thought it would be, (I had low expectations).

Thats wierd, Because i just saw that movie yesterday. I was very surprised when i heard it in the movie.

[TheSubtleArts]

yeha i love thirteenth step, i know most wont agree but i prefer it over mer de noms

im the same way

[got tool?]

Constantine kicked some major butt... and 'passive' sounded better than on "Emotive"

[Huber]

Edit: Oh, I was pleasently suprised to hear Passive in the movie Constantine, one of my favourite APC songs. The movie itself was actually better than I thought it would be, (I had low expectations).

That movie was pretty awesome. I didn't have a clue what it was when I went to see it. I hadn't seen a trailor, commercial, or knew a thing about it. It was an awesome movie to just randomly choose to see. I wanna get the DVD when it comes out for extra footage and special effects stuff. The demon in the mirror thing was awesome looking.

[BlindWriting]

I believe that I have found an alternate track listing for A Perfect Circle’s album Thirteenth Step.

Just so you know, this is a long read.

After reading the explanation for the so-called Holy Grail of Tool’s album Lateralus, the much talked about alternate song order, I began thinking about other CD’s I had which told stories or had specific orders, and if there were any different hidden possibilities. Weeks after I first tried Tool’s Holy Grail, I was in this thread, writing my own personal thoughts on A Perfect Circle’s album Thirteenth Step. I saw each track as another drug addict’s story, not as one particular person’s journey through addiction. I had read other interpretations online, some of which said that Thirteenth Step focused on one drug addict’s life. I didn’t feel this was possible, though. For the album to describe one man, the tracks would have to be in a different listing, in a chronological order of sorts. So I thought about each song’s lyrics and how they could be applied to the story of one man, a character who I call the Addict.

Just for good measure, here is Thirteenth Step’s original song order:
1. The Package
2. Weak and Powerless
3. The Noose
4. Blue
5. Vanishing
6. A Stranger
7. The Outsider
8. Crimes
9. The Nurse Who Loved Me
10. Pet
11. Lullaby
12. Gravity

Thus, I began to deconstruct the album as a whole. Instead of rearranging the album by connected the music, drawing spirals and parabolas, and using the Fibonacci Sequence, this alternate version of Thirteenth Step would be connected through the lyrics. Some tracks would stay in their general locations. Gravity and Pet would obviously appear in the second half, while The Package and Vanishing would remain in the first half, all judging by the meanings I had come up with for each song on the album.

Lullaby, I decided, would come first. A segue/extending ending from the preceding song Pet, it had a restless, dream like feeling to it. The only real words in the song, “Go back to sleep”, displayed a state of insomnia. The Addict was restless, and can’t bring himself to settle down. He needs a fix. Next would obviously come The Package, which describes the actual steps that the Addict must take in order to receive a parcel of drugs. Basically, he must lie, cheat, and steal. “Lie to get what I crave”. Having obtained his drug supply, the Addict immediately gets high. Whatever track listing that you personally follow, it can be immediately discerned that Vanishing describes the act of utilizing the drug. It’s trance-inducing quality and repeated lyrics draw listeners into the mindset of the Addict, who is under the influence. “Vanish, vanish into the air / Slowly disappear / Never really here” describe the actual mental state the Addict has while getting high.

Next, he decides to share his drugs with someone. A friend, possibly. They use the drugs together, but the Addict, once again under the influence, can only sit and watch as his female friend has a fatal overdose, told of in the chorus: “Call it aftermath, she’s turning blue / Such a lovely color for you / Call it aftermath, she’s turning blue / While I just sit and stare at you”. This is the key song in the Addict’s life to come. Because of his female friend’s death, the Addict is caught with his supply of drugs and sentenced to prison. The Addict’s jail sentence takes place in crimes, where other inmates (actually the voices of Billy, Jeordie, and Josh,) are heard around him. Overcome with anger, the Addict does the only thing he knows: he counts to ten. Counting to ten, which I stated in my previous evaluation of Thirteenth Step, is a common practice in anger management courses. In order to avoid unleashing violence because of anger, people are supposed to stop and count to ten. As the anger in the Addict’s voice increases while he counts, we have just learned something about him. He’s already been through rehabilitation programs, judging by his knowledge of the count-to-ten rule. He has a history of violence, and this raises the question of whether or not the Addict has previously hurt, or even killed, others in order to obtain his supplies of drugs.

Now out of prison, the Addict is on some form of probation. Therefore, he is unable to pull his normal moves and receive a new supply of drugs. Without them, he goes through withdrawal syndrome and states of shock, as his body must now cope without them. This is why Weak and Powerless comes next, a song that describes a drug user admitting his addiction to himself: “Desperate and ravenous / I’m so weak and powerless over you”. People around him watch his literal desperation, and he is outcasted in the song The Outsider. The speaker here is someone close to the Addict, striving to understand why the Addict has “Given into all these / Reckless dark desires”. Angry at his self-destructive, drug-related behavior, the speaker here simply does not want to watch the Addict kill himself, and therefore gives up hope on him.

Now, after the pounding onslaught of The Oustider, arguably the album's heaviest song, comes the soft, eerie, beautiful A Stranger. Now, the acoustic guitar is even more startling than it was after originally following Vanishing. After The Outsider, it is a humbling moment. Here, A Stranger feels like the Addict’s response to the person speaking to him in The Outsider. “…I formulate denials / Of your affect on me”. The Addict is lying to this person, trying to deny the fact that he is helpless to his addiction. However, this is no use, as the Addict checks in, or is forcibly checked in, to a rehabilitation program/clinic/hospital. There, the Addict is medicated and possibly given some extreme forms of therapy: “Say hello to the shrinking in your head / You can’t see it but you know it’s there, so don’t neglect it”. Also, as he begins to lose his mind, the Addict envisions love between he and one of the nurses.

Next is Gravity. Originally the album’s closing song, Gravity tells the story of a drug addict who has managed to successfully recover. And somehow, in some way, the Addict himself recovers, and leaves the hospital. The dream-like music of The Nurse Who Loved Me is carried on into Gravity, but is more refined and structured here. The Addict has taken his life back at last, and has returned down to Earth. However, the drug use, withdrawal, and subsequent rehabilitation took a vast toll on his body and his mind. The Addict, now a weak shell of a man, will never be the same again.

In The Noose, he is visited by an old friend. I believe the speaker in The Noose is the same person who spoke in The Outsider. The speaker is happy to find that the Addict has managed to recover from his drug addiction, and acknowledges this to him: “So glad to see you well / Overcome and completely silent now / With heaven’s help / You cast your demons out”. However, the speaker wonders how the Addict will atone for the crimes he committed before being incarcerated. This now solidifies the Addict’s past as a violent person, hinted at by the counting in Crimes. Even though he is now no longer actually addicted, the Addict has still broken laws, and possibly killed people. Suddenly, his problems have come around again, and essentially bitten him in the ***. “Your halo slipping down to choke you now”. By the end of this song, the Addict’s future is uncertain.

Pet now begins, the last song in this new order. This is where Thirteenth Step differs the most. Originally, it ended with Gravity, a signal of hope and a regaining of life for a former addict. Here, Pet ends the album in a grim way. His mind has never fully recovered from the insane state he was in during The Nurse Who Loved Me. He begins to imagine the lure of drugs that caused his addiction in the first place. The drugs promise the Addict many things: they won’t “let the boogeyman come” and will keep him safe from “pain, and truth, and choice, and other poison devils”. Once again, a key phrase reappears: “Go back to sleep”, words first heard in Lullaby when the Addict decided to leave for a fix. “Stay with me / Safe and ignorant / Just stay with me”. Now, the album opens and closes with the same words: “Go back to sleep”. As hard as he tries, the Addict cannot go back to sleep. He needs what he has always needed, one more fix. Whether or not he throws his life away and does get a new drug supply is left unanswered. However, the ending is, at best, bittersweet. The Addict is left with a choice: to stay clean, or to basically go back to the starting point, where he was at the very beginning.

This new order has changed the track listing to 11, 1, 5, 4, 8, 2, 7, 6, 9, 12, 3, 10.
1. Lullaby
2. The Package
3. Vanishing
4. Blue
5. Crimes
6. Weak and Powerless
7. The Outsider
8. A Stranger
9. The Nurse Who Loved Me
10. Gravity
11. The Noose
12. Pet

I hope you enjoyed reading this, and you enjoy trying this new order for yourself even more. Maybe I have thought too deeply into it. Maybe not. Either way, Thirteenth Step is a damn fine album, and one of my favorites of all time.

– – Dan / BlindWriting

[Huber]

Whoa, I'll give that order a spin. That must have been hard work :thumb:

[Darkness]

I'll give the new order a spin to. :)

One thing I'm not sure about though is having #11 as number 1... I find that to be a bit strange.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I personally just like the pre mixed 'Lullaby' into ' Pet' working. When they supported the Dftones, they played the former, then linke dit in well with the opening riff.

I've neglected APC for a while. I may have to set up that ordered playlist soon

[The JoZ]

I haven't played the new order yet, but wow...sounds like someone definetly took the time to think that out...

[BlindWriting]

It's all the about the insomnia. Trying to get to sleep at 2 AM and then just thinking up stuff like this.

[TheSubtleArts]

thats pretty good, i like the ending better

[x the patient x6]

i too had thought of, and written for a paper in Creative Writing about the story of the addict

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