Tool

[Otherside]

Uhh, sure. But that doesn't guarantee that it'll be better.

I trust in Tool to not make bad music. I honestly don't think they have a capacity for it. Any progression will be for the better, and at the very least, it will be as good as their previous efforts.

[Kage]

:lol: Don't worry, we've been through this before. Danny did say that they would have some Meshuggah influence, but don't make it seem like Tool is going to become a death metal band. It could be any aspect of Meshuggah that Tool is being influenced by. It could very well be their heaviness, Tool could be taking some of Meshuggah's 'mathematica' cues, or maybe Adam is busting out with an 8 string, just as Meshuggah's 2 guitarists did on their album "Nothing."

It seems like I have said this exact same thing here. What do you think Kage? :lol:

:lol: Thank you for taking care of that. Who knows what'll happen. I do believe it will be good, whatever it is. I don't see the 8-string action happening though. :p

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

:lol: Don't worry, we've been through this before. Danny did say that they would have some Meshuggah influence, but don't make it seem like Tool is going to become a death metal band. It could be any aspect of Meshuggah that Tool is being influenced by. It could very well be their heaviness, Tool could be taking some of Meshuggah's 'mathematica' cues, or maybe Adam is busting out with an 8 string, just as Meshuggah's 2 guitarists did on their album "Nothing."

It seems like I have said this exact same thing here. What do you think Kage? :lol:

You seem to know some stuff about this band. What do they sound like?

Edit: Come on, guys. Give me a little more credit than that. :lol:
There are a lot of things I don't like about death metal bands though. A lot of small elements that I wouldn't like to see Tool add in. :-/

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I trust in Tool to not make bad music. I honestly don't think they have a capacity for it. Any progression will be for the better, and at the very least, it will be as good as their previous efforts.

Alice in Chains got worse. I guess I'm a pessimist. :lol:

[Kage]

You seem to know some stuff about this band. What do they sound like?

If you're referring to Meshuggah, they're an extreme math metal band, or at least that's how I've heard it described. Their songs are very complex rhythmically, and have almost a robotic feel. They're really heavy though, and I like them for what they are.

[Otherside]

Alice in Chains got worse. I guess I'm a pessimist. :lol:


Alice in Chains were also mostly a Grunge band, in which change isn't really figured in. I guess if Tool DID get worse, I'd loose my faith in music.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Well, they're one of those very hard-to-define bands. I'd say mathematical-death-prog-industrial metal. They're some of the heaviest stuff I have heard. Granted, I don't generally listen to very much metal, but still, it's pretty brutal. It's also hard to listen to for long periods of time due to the complexity of their songs. One of their more interesting songs "Stengah" is written in 11/8 time. They typically do a lot of this kind of very complex time signature, coupled with polyrythms, etc...

I'd reccomend "I" and "Stengah." And also, Thomas Haake, their drummer, is a madman. If him and Carey had a child, he would be the greatest drumemr ever to walk the face of the planet. Too bad they're both dudes. :upset:

[Kage]

kombucha, are you a Meshuggah fan? Because IMO their songs are great, and I love the complexity of it, but I just can't listen to it for too long.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

:lol: Thank you for taking care of that. Who knows what'll happen. I do believe it will be good, whatever it is. I don't see the 8-string action happening though. :p

Not a big fan of Drop F, eh? :lol:

EDIT to Kage: I wouldn't really call myself a huge Meshuggah fan, but I do enjoy their music, in moderation of course. They are all very talented musicians. It takes a very musically adept human to be able to play a song in that magnitude of complexity. In other words, I cannot do what they can, so I admire them. :lol:

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Alice in Chains were also mostly a Grunge band, in which change isn't really figured in. I guess if Tool DID get worse, I'd loose my faith in music.

No, they did change. And btw, grunge just denotes location and a general blues style; not really that specific.

AiC went from slower metal (Facelift: awesome) to a dark grunge sound (Dirt: awesome) to lighter, melodic acoustic stuff(Jar of Flies: meh) to mediocre rock (self titled).

[Otherside]

No, they did change. And btw, grunge just denotes location and a general blues style; not really that specific.


What I meant was that change isn't a big factor in Grunge, and that transitions from one style to another arn't usually sucesfull.

[Kage]

Not a big fan of Drop F, eh? :lol:

Nah, it's sweet for Meshuggah's use, but just wouldn't fit with much else, Tool being a prime example. Adam is able to write great heavy (heavy enough, at least) riffs with Drop-D.

[Werny]

I don't believe AiC were Grunge.

---

Tool said they were influenced by Fantomas and Meshuggah because "they're heavy and intelligent". So hopefully that doesn't mean they're as repetitive as Meshuggah.

[mudvayne420]

:
I decided to put on Jimmy and find out why I don't really like it. So far, I liked the intro riff, until the bass enters. Chancellor's tone sounds a little too much like Fieldy's bass does. :confused:


I'm listening to Jimmy now and i don't seem to hear any similarities to Fieldy.
i like this song, really like the part where he sings "Under a dead ohio sky" and that faint singing part. to me this song feels like one of tools heavier songs. IMO. also, i think the bass has a rhythmic heavy tone to it, and that songs pretty fun and skillful to play.

[Kage]

^^^ Yeah, that's a great song in my opinion.

[mudvayne420]

whats sad about Tool also is that most people don't hear the bass, they mostly hear guitar and can mix them up like the beginning of pu****. being a bass player, justins riff's are pretty hard to get the sound he gets, his stuffs really rhythmical and calmish, while Pauls stuff sounded more grundgier. imagine how Tool would've sounded if Paul hadn't left?

[clearvision]

OMGzz you bash push!t...!!!

That has the best tool moment in it... The line 'If you say i may dafe like a sigh if I stay, you minimise my movements anyway...' Up untill just after the 'remember i will always love you...' line :)

The bit in reflection, described by JoZ is also very cool...

And the third eye part too 'so glad to see you'

There are so many...

[Werny]

jimmy is the only Tool song I describe as dark. Very depressing.

But it's also very exciting. It's got my favourite scream (rrrrrrrrrrrrHAAAAAHHH!!!!) of any band.

The only Tool songs that don't reach a level of euphoria for me are H. and Flood.

H.; is frickin hardcore when he goes "I DON'T MIIIIIIND!!!" but that's the only good part. Much too radio-friendly for me.

Flood: Fricking hell I love the start to this song. Second best part on Undertow (next to the intro to Crawl Away), but the rest is pretty lame.

[Otherside]

OMGzz you bash push!t...!!!

That has the best tool moment in it... The line 'If you say i may dafe like a sigh if I stay, you minimise my movements anyway...' Up untill just after the 'remember i will always love you...' line :)

The bit in reflection, described by JoZ is also very cool...

And the third eye part too 'so glad to see you'

There are so many...


I was waiting for you to back me up on Pu**** :p

[the2stranger]

jimmy is the only Tool song I describe as dark. Very depressing.

But it's also very exciting. It's got my favourite scream (rrrrrrrrrrrrHAAAAAHHH!!!!) of any band.

The only Tool songs that don't reach a level of euphoria for me are H. and Flood.

H.; is frickin hardcore when he goes "I DON'T MIIIIIIND!!!" but that's the only good part. Much too radio-friendly for me.

Flood: Fricking hell I love the start to this song. Second best part on Undertow (next to the intro to Crawl Away), but the rest is pretty lame.

H is one of my Tool favorites.
it's just wonderfull lyrics, and MJK's clean vocals are so beautyfull.
but that's my opinion.

we don't seem to share many similairites as far as music goes, you find meshhuggah boring anf repetitive, and it's one of my favortite bands.

what songs have you heard by them, that you find boring?
I could send you a song to prove the oppsite if you want.

[Arrakakaka]

Is it me or does Prison Sex creep you guys out sometimes?

[Otherside]

Prison Sex is a great song. Try to listen to it metaphorically and maybe then your tolerance of it will rise.

[lecky]

prison sex is awsome, maynard was one of the best writers and definatly one of the best singers ever imo

[clearvision]

was? he still is...

new audioslave song rock0rz

[Otherside]

It is pretty good.

[Sleeper]

Is it me or does Prison Sex creep you guys out sometimes?
Well the lyrics are deftintly odd, But the ending is great where Maynard says "You look so precious..".

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

Easily the greatest part of any song ever is during H. "And when the walls come down, and theres a lookin your..." until the I don't mind part.

[Sleeper]

Ive recently have gotten into the song H, For some reason. I started to listen to Aenema more now, Then Lateralus or Undertow.

[Kage]

Easily the greatest part of any song ever is during H. "And when the walls come down, and theres a lookin your..." until the I don't mind part.

That's definately one of my favorites.

[bassist-bmxer]

Tool are just amazing!

I'm actually sitting here listening to jerkoff, and wearing a tool t-shirt, so i guess i could say i was a fan :p

[got tool?]

IMO the best scream in a tool song is in "the grudge" like seven minutes in. I think it's edited cuz it lasts for 20+ seconds, but it's still really cool

And "prison sex" is really creepy, but Danny Carey said "It will annoy a lot of people ... which is half the fun."

I don't really like "H." too much, but its still ok. I really like "46 & 2" though.

[Kage]

I thought the scream in the Grudge was 100% natural. People say he does it live, so... Either way it's an awesome part in a great song.

[Syncratic]

Yeah, great scream, that one alone got my one friend into Tool.

[Kage]

I decided to show that song to my history class as the "creative" part of a project I had to do, and the whole class (made up of mainly radio-listening teeny-boppers) was in awe after the song finished.

[Syncratic]

Really? That's awesome...I wish I could do a project like that at my school...I did include some of Maynard's lyrics for a poetry anthology....loving your avatar Kage.

[Maynard's Dick]

Could we give the whole Meshuggah thing at least a little bit of a rest? I mean, we know that they're now an influence on the new disc so lets move on. There's going to be a heck of a lot more in this album than Meshuggah's influnce, just because we dont exactly what doesnt mean we have to beat this into the ground.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Prison Sex is a great song. Try to listen to it metaphorically and maybe then your tolerance of it will rise.

I think that the metaphor is a little too deliberate. But the song is very entertaining. Stinkfist is another one that has a rather deliberate metaphor, but the lyrics are so much better.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I don't believe AiC were Grunge.

---

Tool said they were influenced by Fantomas and Meshuggah because "they're heavy and intelligent". So hopefully that doesn't mean they're as repetitive as Meshuggah.


I've said this before, Grunge just denotes location and new age blues rock. I agree that AiC, Soundgarden, and Nirvana are all very different from one another.

AiC was the darkest, Soundgarden had the bluesiest lyrics but were the most technical, and Nirvana was solid but was the weak link IMO.

/off topic

[Kage]

Really? That's awesome...I wish I could do a project like that at my school...I did include some of Maynard's lyrics for a poetry anthology....loving your avatar Kage.

It was a rare treat to be able to do something like that, and sadly it was only one small part of the project (it somehow related to the subject, I forget how :naughty: )

Could we give the whole Meshuggah thing at least a little bit of a rest? I mean, we know that they're now an influence on the new disc so lets move on. There's going to be a heck of a lot more in this album than Meshuggah's influnce, just because we dont exactly what doesnt mean we have to beat this into the ground.

123.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Sh!t, that reminds me. IPT!

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Stinkfist has amazing lyrics. The first time I listened to it I was really grossed out, haha. But then I started listening to it more and they were really powerful lyrics.

Also to address the prison sex idea: Isn't that song about child abuse?

Yea, that's the metaphor. I don't know, I just think that Tool should've come up with some line better than "sh!t, blood, and cvm on my hand".

[Otherside]

Tool's edginess is part of what makes them great. They don't need to make anything softer or more mainstream.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Tool's edginess is part of what makes them great. They don't need to make anything softer or more mainstream.

Who said softer or mainstream? How about "intelligent"?
For example, Stinkfist had the shock value title, that's fine. But the lyrics were so much more intelligent than Prison Sex.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Really? I think it puts emphasis on the meaning of the song.. what don't you like about it?

I think that the line was too "in your face" for a song that should have been more metaphorical. Abuse is a serious thing, there's no need to be graphic. In fact, you can be edgy and more intelligent at the same time. But of course that's just my ignorant opinion. :lol:

[Otherside]

Who said softer or mainstream? How about "intelligent"?
For example, Stinkfist had the shock value title, that's fine. But the lyrics were so much more intelligent than Prison Sex.


Harsh language does not equal stupidity. Any word in the English language are words of expression, if they choose those words to express themsevles, that does not make them more or less intelligent.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Harsh language does not equal stupidity. Any word in the English language are words of expression, if they choose those words to express themsevles, that does not make them more or less intelligent.

I never said it was "stupid", but sometimes when you're too deliberate, it makes you look less intelligent.

[Otherside]

Well maybe they were just trying to be straight-forward.. instead of "cryptic." I think blatency can be nice sometimes, just because it really tells you a lot about the meaning of a song.


Case in point: Hooker with a *****.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Well maybe they were just trying to be straight-forward.. instead of "cryptic." I think blatency can be nice sometimes, just because it really tells you a lot about the meaning of a song.

You're right; they were. I just don't like that style. To each their own, I guess. I like cryptic.

[Darkness]

If you guys remeber correctly, a while ago I posted something about the alternate tracklisting on Lateralus. Recently I've been e-mailing back and forth this guy who is also a large Maynard/Tool fan.. anyways I showed him the very same article I posted here and 2 days later I got this reply..It is kinda long but its worth the read.

"whoever wrote this was on crack, i believe. i've
analyzed his 'math' myself, and he doesn't make sense.

the fibonacci sequence creates a parabola, not a
spiral.

his new sequence has nothing to do with a fibonacci
sequence, instead the consecutive numbers equal 13,
that's all.

his deciding that consecutive tracks should equal 13
only stems from tracks 6 and 7, being already
consecutive, equalling 13. his 'friend' saying that
thirteen being in the middle was right, but only
because 6 and 7 are in the middle of the album, if you
look at the track listening this way, as i just wrote
now on a piece of paper.

1 2 3 (4 5) (6 7) 8 9 (10 11 12) 13
becomes
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

both in the video and on the cd, tracks 4 and 5 are
deliberately consecutive, reducing them to one track.
same with 6 and 7, and then it's written on the tool
page or toolshed that 10 11 and 12 were going to be
one track instead of three. this is indicated by the
connecting circuit on the back of the album cover.
with this now in mind, there are only 9 tracks, with 6
and 7 being in the middle, the new track # 5. make
sense so far? if 13 is supposed to be in the middle
of any track listing, 6 and 7 work perfectly, adding
to 13 and being in the middle of the new reduced track
listing.

lateralu(i)s is the title track, and also the first
and only time the fibonacci sequence is used in any
song. being that it plays such a role in the song,
and the song itself is about expanding your
consciousness, it seems an excellent opening track.
like what you'd read as a prologue, a brief
explanation of what's to come. the fibonacci sequence
is of course 1 1 2 3 5 8 13, and so on. each number
is the sum of the two previous. now, if we apply it
to our new track listing, we get Lateralis as our
first 1 (we already said that's first), then 1, 2, 3,
5 or (6 and 7 on the original track list), 8 (or 10 11
and 12 on the original track list) and then 13. but
wait, there is no 13th track on our new list. however
there are only 3 tracks left, and 2 of them add up to
13. the fibonacci code again states that the two
previous numbers add to 13, and not only do 5 and 8
equal 13, but so do 4 and 9. so since we can't
actually put the last number in the sequence as 13, we
can put the two track numbers that total it. there's
no 6 (or track 8) in this fibonacci sequence, nor is
there any way to include it in the new sequence, so
we'll leave it out, and explain why later. put it
after your new track list if you want, for you might
want to listen to it later anyway.

now this new track listing tells a story, the
development of one's self. lateralu(i)s is first,
being born, growing, then reaching out, finding
divinity. the first step in finding divinity is to
lose your anger, grudges towards others, next in the
sequence, track 1. let go of those grudges, then
breathe, relax with eon blue, track 2, and time to
move on. most would say to themselves at this point,
letting go of grudges is pretty tough, and asking for
a lot, so will i get something out of it? the patient
, track 3 and next in the sequence, asks and answers
that question in itself. is this a test? it has to
be. ... i'm still right here, giving blood (taking
others' anger), keeping faith (in your advice to not
hold grudges)... and if there were no rewards to
reap (reward being divinity, what the song lateralus
tells you to look for when you're reaching out), no
loving embrace (the embrace of those other patient
ones) to see me through this tedious path i've chosen
here (hard to hold back anger, isn't it?), i certainly
would have walked away by now. basically, you've
chosen to not hold grudges, a difficult task for most,
but if you're patient and wait it out, you'll be
rewarded, and the others who are doing the same will
help you along the way. ok, now you've got a plan for
your physical and emotional life, and a basic reason.
ok, don't hold grudges, now what? parabol(a), 4th in
the sequence, tracks 6 and 7 of the original list, is
that actual new path in life. first off, a parabola
is an accelerating curve upwards, drawn easily with
fibonacci's sequence. if you consider the development
of everything relating to man, including man himself
(religion or spirituality, medical technology,
scientific acchievement, basic overall quality of
life, intelligence, lifespan, you name it), it's
improved at a parabolic rate. notice the opening
lyrics, "so familiar and overwhelmingly warm, this one
this form i hold now, embracing you, this reality
here." the word embrace was used in the previous song
in this new sequence, "... no loving embrace to see me
through." not only will they embrace you, but you're
embracing yourself, your flesh embraces your spirit.
others will embrace your spirit with both their flesh
and spirit, and not always both. now, "choosing to be
here right now, hold on, stay inside this body, this
body holding me, be my reminder here that i am not
alone in this. ...hold on, stay inside this holy
reality, this holy experience." this is your path to
divinity, the more horizontal portion of the parabola.
if you've done what's instructed so far, been less
angry towards others, you start to see the near
vertical slope of the rest of the parabola, infinity,
the possibility of reaching divinity. divinity is
your next step after your human form dies. live this
life, experience all you can from it, because after
this it's divinity. but with this realization, you'll
naturally focus on just yourself too much, and find
yourself now bored with the rest of humanity. "tell
me something, tell me anything. watch the weather
change," he says in disposition, next in the
sequence. you'll wonder why they can't do the right
thing like you are. you'll consider yourself higher
than them, better, and hence your ego is now too big.
time to sit back and realize that you didn't learn
about this new path on your own, but rather with the
guidance of another, who admits himself that he didn't
discover it on his own either, but through "...a
million light reflections..." of others, he says in
reflection. that's your last step, putting your ego
back in check. accept your ego, embrace it, but put
it equally alongside everyone else's, because you're
not alone on this journey. live like that until you
die, and you'll reach divinity. and then the
seemingly joyous primal complexity that is triad,
driving rhythms, dissonance, screaming, all depicting
the unexplained emotion that comes with finding the
meaning behind it all. meditate with your mantra now,
because you finally see it all fitting together. you
found the beauty in the dissonance of yourself and
human relationships, wars and marriages alike, that we
learn from them, and grow, and schism is a
metaphorical way to look at what you've just learned.
suddenly it's intriguing to watch it all. you've seen
what anger can do, holding grudges, and their
destructive results. but you've also seen that those
results taught you to not only be very introspective
and change your ways if you want to reach divinity,
but also to communicate with and teach others these
same ideals, so that we may all be divine. and then
the last song in the sequence, faaip de oaid, or word
of god. take them apart. more than likely, you read
the title before you heard the track, because at the
very least, you were curious why there was so much
silence first. but also, since you reorganized the
track listing, you had to look at the titles, read
faaip di oaid, and said to yourself 'word of god'. so
the first thought that might pop into your head after
hearing schism would be 'next is the word of god'.
you haven't heard the track yet in this sequence, so
ignore it. what you just LISTENED to was the word of
god. pure creative enlightenment by the collective
spirit of tool, for anyone who cares to listen. as
your contemplating this in your head, running through
your new thought processes, we get tool lightening the
mood a little, don't strain yourself too hard,
remember over thinking, over analyzing, seperate the
body from the mind. you'll neglect your human form.
suddenly you're listening to a supposed former
employee of area 51 calling the art bell show, which i
believe did turn out to be a hoax, not sure, but it
gets you thinking about those posibilities, but this
track seems humorous, and then it's over.

hope this is what you wanted. hope this what you had
in mind. which reminds me, there's one track not in
the sequence, and lyrics seem completely completely
notrelative to the rest of the album. yes, ticks &
leeches, track 8 on the original list, directed at...
their recording label, or maybe the fans? i think
it's meant more for us. we waited awhile, salivating
over a few live tracks and all their videos to date on
a dvd, with, hrm, LSD on the box? you tell me. and
we expected a lot, we're tool fans, we know the band
is incredible, we know they're all geniuses, very
spiritual in their own ways, blah blah. and they
poured everything they had into this album. we sucked
them dry.

Continued...

[Darkness]

Turn the music off now, and remember that i basically
made all of that up. i did correctly use the
fibonacci sequence, and i do hear those messages in
those songs, along with others. i've never desired to
rearrange the cd until i read your email with that
kid's post. i decided i could do the same thing, and
at least make it believable. trust me, i have no
backing on this, you're the first to read it, and
though it looks pretty, it's just me making **** up
and sugar coating it. i've been listening to the
album with the new track listing for a few days now,
and thinking of what'd i'd written, how i'd change
words around, and i think it works. again, i'm not
saying it's valid for anything. but i will say that
it's believable. oh, and if someone swallows this
completely, and wants to know where it came from,
please be courteous and honest, and give them my email
address. it took a lot of time and thought to put it
together like that, and explain it all, and i'd hate
to see someone else get famous for my crap. thank
you. and no, you don't have to show this to anyone.
do with it as you will."

Heres his e-mail:djmndlss@yahoo.com.

[Darkness]

Nope. lol


What do you meen? hes trying to sum up the alternate order that I posted before doesn't make sense in a mathamaticle sense. And hes also posting his alternate tracklisting and the story that it tells.

[Darkness]

Yeah it seems like pretty complex stuff.

[Syncratic]

I think he's right, with the story and all, it's a great idea, I'm just confused as to what the track listing is....should you just listen to the album straight through, or is there another order to listen to them in?

[Darkness]

From what hes saying, I gather that 9,1,2,3,6-7,10,11,12,13 would be the order, and he does mention that Ticks & Leeches does not fit in with the rest.

Which makes sense to because I always hear from people that T&L doesn't belong on an album like Lateralus.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I heard there's a alternate track listing that tells the story. I guess the way it is now makes the Fibbonacci sequence (I really don't care) but the story does intrigue me.

[jamesclelland]

the fibbonacci sequence comes from maynards vocal on lateralis.
Black 1
and 1
white are 2
all I see 3
in my in fan cy 5
etc...

[BlindWriting]

The two alternate tracklistings most known of are 6,7,5,8,4,9,3,10,2,11,1,12,13 ("The Lateralus Prophecy") and 6,7,5,8,4,9,13,1,12,2,11,3,10 ("The Holy Gift"). Each tells a different "story" when listened to in those orders.
As for this new theory, I honestly, truthfully think that for once, someone is looking too far into the music. Never thought I'd say that when it came to Tool, but there you go.

[Sleeper]

Why are you posting that in all the threads?

[Darkness]

The two alternate tracklistings most known of are 6,7,5,8,4,9,3,10,2,11,1,12,13 ("The Lateralus Prophecy") and 6,7,5,8,4,9,13,1,12,2,11,3,10 ("The Holy Gift"). Each tells a different "story" when listened to in those orders.
As for this new theory, I honestly, truthfully think that for once, someone is looking too far into the music. Never thought I'd say that when it came to Tool, but there you go.

How so? He just spoke of his thoughts on the alternate tracklisting and then his thoughts about the story line the new listing meens.

[jensmatty]

I never said it was "stupid", but sometimes when you're too deliberate, it makes you look less intelligent.

At a live thingo, he said before playing prison sex something about 3 steps of dealing with abuse, and the first step is recognition, and that's what this song is about.

I cant remember exactly... but it's something along those lines. Soo.. the reason why the lyrics are so in-your-****ing-face is because he's recognising what's happening... if you dont look at it metaphorically.

[Kage]

I'm not sure I exactly follow the new Lateralus theory. I have yet to try any alternate orders of the tracks, but I intend to try one of the already known ones, as highlighted by Blind.


EDIT: I really don't like the idea of putting Lateralus as the first track. That song is so ****ing climactic that it's insane. Having it at the beginning doesn't make much sense to me. Other than that and Ticks and Leaches being taken away, it's the same track order. I'm not sure he's right on that one.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Yeah, definitely overanalyzing. But if he thinks that all of the research is fun and interesting then that's cool.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I've tried doing The Holy Gift, and it definitely adds a lot to the CD. I'd try that one if you're looking to listen to Lateralus in a different order.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Do you have Lateralus ripped onto your computer? If so, just go into Windows Media player, build a playlist and just add those songs to the playlist in that order.

Lazyass woman. :D

IT TAKES LIKE 30 SECONDS!!!

[Dude3]

Okay, I'm getting confused.
Can someone tell me the order of the songs that tell a story, and what the story is about. Please don't list the track numbers, because I got all confused from some previous posts. Just post the song names in the "story" order. Thanks.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I will kick you.

It would take less time to just create the playlist than to walk all the way out to Mabton from Seattle and kick me. Plus, it would be much more rewarding just to listen to The Holy Gift than to kick me. :amaze:

I get what you mean, and I guess I can leave.

Okay, I'm getting confused.
Can someone tell me the order of the songs that tell a story, and what the story is about. Please don't list the track numbers, because I got all confused from some previous posts. Just post the song names in the "story" order. Thanks.
Parabol
Parabola
Schism
Ticks and Leeches
Mantra
Lateralus
Faipp O'didaiddid or whatever
The Grudge
Triad
Eon Blue Apocolypse
Disposition
Reflection
The Patient

Reply to Madey's post below me: If I were Maynard, I would tell you to do it yourself. Since I am not Maynard, but I aspire to be as badass as him, I will tell you to do it yourself and discover what it is really about.

[Kage]

One of these days I'll rip Lateralus onto my computer and arrange the tracks/listen to them like that. I'm not in a big Tool mood at the moment, though, so I'll refrain until a time when I'll get the most out of it. I'm interested to see what I can pull from it as far as a "story" and a more meaningful message.

[BlindWriting]

The first alternate version I tried was "The Holy Gift". If you can lessen the gap of sound in between most of the tracks, it can sound pretty amazing. Some of the transitions, such as Parabola to Schism to Ticks and Leeches, are very worth your time.
A couple weeks later, I tried "The Lateralus Prophecy" version. While the first half or so was basically the same as "Gift", everything after track nine makes little sense musically.
All in all, try "Gift", but if you really really want to, feel free to try "Prophecy". It's just not as interesting, though.
Still, the good ol' original Lateralus will always do it for me. :D

[BlindWriting]

Why are you posting that in all the threads?
Wait, wha? :confused:

[Sleeper]

This is so interesting, All the tracks on Lateralus have some sequence together.

[Sleeper]

Wait, wha? :confused:
This person has been posting the same post and link every thread for no reason.

[Dude3]

Alright, I'm gonna go listen to the "Holy Gift" version now.

[Werny]

H is one of my Tool favorites.
it's just wonderfull lyrics, and MJK's clean vocals are so beautyfull.
but that's my opinion.

we don't seem to share many similairites as far as music goes, you find meshhuggah boring anf repetitive, and it's one of my favortite bands.

what songs have you heard by them, that you find boring?
I could send you a song to prove the oppsite if you want.

I don't find Meshuggah boring, I mean they're repetitive because their songs don't really differ from each other. But they're straying away from that now, showed in I, so I think their new album will be more experimental.

H. is just too typical for me. It doesn't try to sound different from anything else. But hey it's your opinion, everyone's opinion.

[Dancin' Man]

I don't find Meshuggah boring, I mean they're repetitive because their songs don't really differ from each other. But they're straying away from that now, showed in I, so I think their new album will be more experimental.

H. is just too typical for me. It doesn't try to sound different from anything else. But hey it's your opinion, everyone's opinion.

Try counting a Meshuggah song. Try writing out a Thomas Haake drum part. Try learning the exact timing in which those guitar blasts come in. Read and analyze Thomas Haakes lyrics (I am not making a mistake, he writes them) After you try all that, you will have a much greater appreciation for Meshuggah.

[Kage]

Try being the opperative word :lol:

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Holy $hit! I can't believe I just noticed this. WHen you put the Ænima picture of the contortionist and the band members of Tool of the CD jacket to the front of the case, you see them clearly, and Maynard is naked! Wow, that's weird. I'll bet you guys already knew that, but holy sh!t, that was weird!

[Kage]

Yeah, I discovered that awhile after having the CD, but apparently it's pretty common knowledge. I usually use the big eye as my cover.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Yeah, I've had the CD since '00 too... Weird.

[BlindWriting]

Yeah, I discovered that awhile after having the CD, but apparently it's pretty common knowledge. I usually use the big eye as my cover.
The big eye is the same one from Opiate, right?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Yeah, I discovered that awhile after having the CD, but apparently it's pretty common knowledge. I usually use the big eye as my cover.

:lol: I realized this the first time I took the packet out of the cd case. Funny!

Sup Madey? Do you still not like me? :upset: It's not my fault I like McDonalds.

[Kage]

Reflection is amazing. When that song is playing, it's impossible for me to do anything else but just sit and listen. Not that I want to, but if I'm reading or something as I listen to that album, I'll just stop reading and listen without even noticing it. It's a hypnotic song. I love the sinister nature of it.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Reflection is amazing. When that song is playing, it's impossible for me to do anything else but just sit and listen. Not that I want to, but if I'm reading or something as I listen to that album, I'll just stop reading and listen without even noticing it. It's a hypnotic song. I love the sinister nature of it.


I've noticed something with Reflection and Disposition. I only like them when I am in a musical trance. I think they suck when I am doing something and listening to music, but when I am just zoned out, they're golden.

EDIT:Madey, check your control panel. :D

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

:lol: I realized this the first time I took the packet out of the cd case. Funny!



Yeah, I could see how the CD cover would be of great importance to you.

[Rounder]

I've noticed something with Reflection and Disposition. I only like them when I am in a musical trance. I think they suck when I am doing something and listening to music, but when I am just zoned out, they're golden.

EDIT:Madey, check your control panel. :D

Yea im the same way. Only on Lateralus though, but thats cool. Some songs are too important to listen to while kicking your *** in SOF2. :thumb:

[BlindWriting]

I happen to like Disposition better than Reflection. I don't know, I'm probably alone on this. But the only song on Lateralus besides Disposition that I really, really have to just zone out and fully listen to is The Grudge.

[The JoZ]

Reflection is amazing. When that song is playing, it's impossible for me to do anything else but just sit and listen. Not that I want to, but if I'm reading or something as I listen to that album, I'll just stop reading and listen without even noticing it. It's a hypnotic song. I love the sinister nature of it.

Truth.

I never used to listen to Reflection. Now it's one of my favorite tracks

[Huber]

I normally choose an album to listen to during 1st period, and then try and crank the whole thing out between classes/at lunch etc. throughout the day. I often choose Lateralus and Reflection is never skipped. I really cherish listening to albums as a whole, espcially well constructed ones like Lateralus.

[Sleeper]

The guitar solo in Relfection is very good, I dont like the way the vocals sound though.

[Werny]

Try counting a Meshuggah song. Try writing out a Thomas Haake drum part. Try learning the exact timing in which those guitar blasts come in. Read and analyze Thomas Haakes lyrics (I am not making a mistake, he writes them) After you try all that, you will have a much greater appreciation for Meshuggah.

I'd try to do that if I had any idea in hell how to write out drum parts and count songs. I'm musically illiterate.

(looking up lyrics, these guys have been around since 1991! Huh?)

Well, reading the lyrics to Neurotica, M¥rten Hagstræm is a brilliant songwriter. Although the lyrics are impossible to read!

Well, although the lyrical themes are just normal death metal, the way the ideas are expressed is beyond brilliance.

And, after listening to I, I can realise how frickin inhuman Tomas is!!!

[Rounder]

Try counting a Meshuggah song. Try writing out a Thomas Haake drum part. Try learning the exact timing in which those guitar blasts come in. Read and analyze Thomas Haakes lyrics (I am not making a mistake, he writes them) After you try all that, you will have a much greater appreciation for Meshuggah.

You could say that about 100 jazz musicians, and it probably wouldn't make jazz less boring (if you find jazz boring, I don't). Meshuggah was extremely boring when I saw them. I know they are talented, I watched them play. I still found it boring. Mostly I hate the singing and the lack of dynamics in the music. The heavy **** doesnt sound as heavy without some light **** to go with it. imo. This is why I like Tool. This is why the "i dont mind" part in H is so ****ing heavy. Tool has some of the heaviest music I've ever heard. Some people think all they have to do is scream their guts out into a mike, turn your guitars gain up to 20 and you are heavy. To me, dynamics is the key to make your music intense. Like Ticks and Leeches, the chill breakdown followed by the 'suck me dry' part is one of the most intense pieces of music I've ever heard. I was watching headbangers ball last night, and they had atreyu, remains, lamb of god, and a bunch of other bands and the vocals all sounded like the same guy, and the music was overkill (they also sound a lot alike). there was no respite from all the intensity, and I think the music suffers because of that. imo.

[to_Burn_The_Eye]

I have decided to buy a tool album today which one shall i get Aenima or Lateralus?

[Danny Carey is GOD]

I have decided to buy a tool album today which one shall i get Aenima or Lateralus?
I recommend getting Lateralus first, as many people say, work backwards with it. Get Aenima next :)

[to_Burn_The_Eye]

Havent they got an album before that would it be better to start with that?

[clearvision]

Get Aenima first, it gives you a better interp of tools sound...it has elements of undertow and elements of lateralus...it's like bridging the gap....plus the songs are better :p

[Prince of Darkness]

Undertow was their debut album, but it's generally accepted that Aenima and Lateralus are better, although a lot of Tool fans say Undertow is a masterpiece as well. I only own Lateralus although I'll probably get Aenima in my next group of CDs which I buy, and I can definitely recommend Lateralus as a starting point. I'd only heard 3 Tool songs before I bought it, and I wasn't disappointed at all, which given the amount of love they get on these forums surprised me a bit.

Undertow, debut?
I dont think so. What about Opiate? That was first meaning it was the debut.
If Im wrong,which I doubt, please tell me

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Undertow was indeed their first album. Though I still like to classify Opiate as the introduction to Tool.

And I really really wish they would re-record Undertow (in my imaginary happy land it might happen), as I still hate the production on that album

[Prince of Darkness]

Opiate was first

[Prince of Darkness]

FAQ
* D1. What CD's have they put out?

In order, the band has released the "Opiate" EP, the albums "Undertow" and "Ænima", a live boxset called "Salival", and the album "Lateralus

What is an EP?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

EP stands for extended play (I think, someone destroy me and tell me otherwise). It was tool's introduction CD, their demo if you will, that managed to get a full release, mainly due to the speed at which tool were signed

[Prince of Darkness]

....meaning that it was a debut....

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Yes, but not their first album. the opiate CD was a collection of songs put on a CD, not prepared in the sense of an album. So its their first release, but not first album

[Prince of Darkness]

...then, what makes a CD so different from an Album to not make it the debut?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

An album is a full production, all tracks wrote about the same time, and usually is over 30-40 minutes.

An EP is like a mini album, containing a few sample tracks from the band. Look at the Meshuggah EP for 'I'. One song. You cant really class that as an album. then look at Opiate. 4 recorded tracks, and 2 live examples. Not a lot to fill out an album, so they put it out under the label of an EP.

Im sure smeone else could explain the difference better than me. You could throw LPs into the mix and get me really confused, but thats the way i've always looked at it

[Prince of Darkness]

thanks brother!

Opiate is a good CD EP thing

[Prince of Darkness]

hey I read something at MTV.com about the The new Tool album. the article was old,like this time last year, so the album should be out soon, oh yeah. and the Lateralus DVD, OOHHH YEAAH

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I have absolutely no evidence, other than a bunch of people saying that the album will come out in June.

[the2stranger]

I'm going insane,
the release date is shifting forth and back all the time

but june sounds good, better than oktober or november.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I'm kind of speculating on the whole June release. I haven't seen it anywhere official. If anyone has a link to a reliable source talking about the release date, it would be greatly appreciated. :thumb:

[Everything_and_Nothing_3:15]

10 bucks says it comes out in october or later.

[Sleeper]

I dont care when it comes out, As long as its good.

[Dude3]

I don't know. There really isn't any good info out there saying when it will come out. Maybe Tool wants the album to come out suddenly, and kind of shock everyone.

[Kage]

I'd love a June release, but for some reason I don't see it happening. I'm down on the October bet, but I wouldn't even be surprised if it didn't come out until early next year.

[jamesclelland]

i doesn't even have to come out real soon, as long as they hit the road within a couple months.

[Dude3]

Yea, i'm way more excited to see them one day. They are one of the bands that i dream about going to one of their concerts.

[Werny]

The heavy **** doesnt sound as heavy without some light **** to go with it. imo. This is why I like Tool. This is why the "i dont mind" part in H is so ****ing heavy. Tool has some of the heaviest music I've ever heard. Some people think all they have to do is scream their guts out into a mike, turn your guitars gain up to 20 and you are heavy. To me, dynamics is the key to make your music intense. Like Ticks and Leeches, the chill breakdown followed by the 'suck me dry' part is one of the most intense pieces of music I've ever heard.

Well said.

Meshuggah do a Ticks & Leeches occasionally, especially on I, but only about once or twice.

If you listen to some pure heavy metal, with no breaks, for about 10 minutes it loses heaviness. If you have a 2 minute haunting, reserved instrumental between that ten minutes, it becomes even more heavy. There's that shock.

That's why I like the "I Don't Mind" in H.. It's a quiet reserved song, and then there's a huge vocal build-up and then RAAAH it goes spastic.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Well said.

Meshuggah do a Ticks & Leeches occasionally, especially on I, but only about once or twice.

If you listen to some pure heavy metal, with no breaks, for about 10 minutes it loses heaviness. If you have a 2 minute haunting, reserved instrumental between that ten minutes, it becomes even more heavy. There's that shock.

That's why I like the "I Don't Mind" in H.. It's a quiet reserved song, and then there's a huge vocal build-up and then RAAAH it goes spastic.

Its called dynamics, and its what I look for in 90% of my music. Some include the sudden turning on of distortion, and the more effective includes the tool method of dragging out an acoustic/quiet part to the point where it has to break into something heavy.

Meshuggah have very few dynamics. Its merely a band that I can listen to if I want sheer distortion and anger. Tool gives the best of both extremes for me.

[clearvision]

Opeth must give you so many orgasms...

[Werny]

What is an EP?

Back in the days of vinyl, there was two kinds of records. There were EPs, which could hold about 30 minutes of material, and LPs, which could hold up to 80. These days, people still use those terms. If a CD is under 30 minutes, it's called an EP, if it's longer (up to 80) it's considered a LP. It's nothing to do with the production, it's just another way of paying homage to the days of vinyl.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Opeth must give you so many orgasms...

If I owned one of their better albums it would :upset:

I can never find them in my local record stores, and i never have the cash when i see them in HMV

[clearvision]

i have blackwater park, it's quality...

...and dam nation but thats more like porcupine tree

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Back in the days of vinyl, there was two kinds of records. There were EPs, which could hold about 30 minutes of material, and LPs, which could hold up to 80. These days, people still use those terms. If a CD is under 30 minutes, it's called an EP, if it's longer (up to 80) it's considered a LP. It's nothing to do with the production, it's just another way of paying homage to the days of vinyl.

Thanks for clearing it up. I didnt know why they were given such terms, but i knew what both meant in terms of play length

[Maynard's Dick]

Thank you for clearing that up Werny.

I totally agree with Rounder about dynamics in metal. Everything is relative in music:"heavy" can only be heavy in relation to something else.

[the2stranger]

that's a great way of explaining.
I find a lot of doom metal heavier, than supposed 'heavy'metal

[Werny]

No worries fellas.

Meshuggah do OCCASIONALLY use that kind of slow/heavy dynamic. On the last song on Chaosphere, there's about 10 minutes of some kind of really quiet sound (can't remember right now) and then RAAAAAAAGH a friggin psycho scream and bashing of instruments.

[Dude3]

I have Blackwater Park, and I love how heavy the acoustics make their music.

[One Groovin Clown]

I have come to renounce my love for Tool. I can listen to all fo Tools albums and never be bored of them. I start off Everyday with Lateralus, while waiting for the bus. That album is purely indescribable. The band are pure genius'. The way they transition from one riff to another, the transitions between the slow and fast. Everythign that they do i love. You could say that i'm obsessed, and you'd probably be right.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I have come to renounce my love for Tool. I can listen to all fo Tools albums and never be bored of them. I start off Everyday with Lateralus, while waiting for the bus. That album is purely indescribable. The band are pure genius'. The way they transition from one riff to another, the transitions between the slow and fast. Everythign that they do i love. You could say that i'm obsessed, and you'd probably be right.

If listening to them everyday is being obsessed, I would venture to say that everyone here is on the same boat as you. ;)

[Werny]

I don't consider myself complete unless I've listened to Schism, Reflection, Parabola, Lateralus and Ticks & Leeches each day.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

If listening to them everyday is being obsessed, I would venture to say that everyone here is on the same boat as you. ;)

I had gone two weeks till today without listening to any. Now im putting a personal greatest hits on my mp3 player.

There's an interesting thought to ponder over, what would go on a greatest hits album so far....

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I had gone two weeks till today without listening to any. Now im putting a personal greatest hits on my mp3 player.

There's an interesting thought to ponder over, what would go on a greatest hits album so far....

Correction: Everyone with... iTunes?

[Werny]

Greatest Hits...

Hush
Prison Sex
Sober
Stinkfist
Ænema
Mantra
Schism
Parabol
Parabola

Considering they were the only songs released as singles.

[Shadius]

There's an interesting thought to ponder over, what would go on a greatest hits album so far....

Tool has had hits? Haha.

I think releasing a greatest hits is a weird concept for Tool as they're not that kind of band. If their record company(ies) did, then the singles would go on from each release.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Greatest Hits...

Hush
Prison Sex
Sober
Stinkfist
Ænema
Mantra
Schism
Parabol
Parabola

Considering they were the only songs released as singles.

Careful there. They were released as videos, never singles. To my knowledge, Tool have never released a single (not sure in the States, but in the UK, people still make a fuss over single releases, and its seen to some to be selling out).

However, the number of songs they released to radio is quite large

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

They've had singles, that's the closest they ever came to that type of concept. But yeah, with the exception of a few songs, all of their songs are Greatest Hits material in my eyes.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Tool has had hits? Haha.

I think releasing a greatest hits is a weird concept for Tool as they're not that kind of band. If their record company(ies) did, then the singles would go on from each release.

Im not saying it would ever happen, I cant see the band doing something like that, unless they re recorded every song, and added something new. Its against their mentallity to re release songs. But im saying, as the one full length CD, what would/should be on it?

[Werny]

Here's something else I've been wondering...

Does anyone here have any singles? If so, what is on them?

*EDIT* whoops... guess that question's null and void now.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Careful there. They were released as videos, never singles. To my knowledge, Tool have never released a single (not sure in the States, but in the UK, people still make a fuss over single releases, and its seen to some to be selling out).

However, the number of songs they released to radio is quite large

We have a new DJ in Boston who played some Tool songs on the radio that I'd never expect: such as H. and 46 & 2.

This is kind of off topic, but I've heard a lot of Sober lately, even on the lighter alt stations. I'm probably wrong, but I'm thinking that's further proof of a Tool release coming pretty soon ( I know they're in the process, but I'm thinking SOON).

[Dude3]

Yea, on our radio station in Tampa, they play a lot of Tool. I hear a lot of H. and 46&2. Also hear Sober, Prison Sex, Aenima, Stinkfist, Schism, and I even think I heard Pu**** before.

[Werny]

I think it'd have to be a "best of" because they've only had about 3 hits.

Hush
Part of Me
Intolerance
Prison Sex
Sober
Flood
Stinkfist
Eulogy
H.
Ænema
Third Eye [live]
The Grudge
Schism
Parabol
Parabola
Lateralus

Thoughts?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

There's a radio station in London that I used to be able to pick up in my area, with a DJ who was in love with tool. He made sure in one week, he played the entire tool back catalogue (minus filler and debatable filler/song).

But recently, MTV2 here ahs started playing a lot more Tool videos. We even (finally) got the APC 'Passive' video. however, its probably just coincidence, as i've never known a band to be played more just because unofficially the album is soon. Its when an announcement is made that they go nuts

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I think it'd have to be a "best of" because they've only had about 3 hits.

Hush
Part of Me
Intolerance
Prison Sex
Sober
Flood
Stinkfist
Eulogy
H.
Ænema
Third Eye [live]
The Grudge
Schism
Parabol
Parabola
Lateralus

Thoughts?

Bold are my only debatables. And when I said hits, I didnt mean chart topping really. The term greatest hits is deceiving. I should have said 'Best of...'

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I'd have to agree, I think that 4 degrees would have a better chance than Intolerance. And Flood wouldn't have a prayer.

[Werny]

Although Flood and Intolerance weren't popular with the public, fans generally consider them absolutely brilliant, especially Intolerance. I myself don't enjoy Flood (apart from the thundering beginning) but it's from what I've gathered.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Intolerance was bad@ss, no doubt.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Anyone else think that the beginning of Jimmy sounds a lot better when Intermission is played before it? Just because of the light to heavy crescendo?

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Yeah, sounds interesting. I guess I just like light to heavy.

[Werny]

4 Degrees wouldn't go on there because it's never talked about amongst fans. Very underrated.

Another question; why are Crawl Away, Swamp Song and Undertow ALWAYS forgotten? I think they're the best songs on Undertow, but no one has ever talked about them!

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Crawl Away has an awesome introduction with Adam's opening riff, but after that it just sounds like the rest. The reason why I mention 4* is that it sounds like a type of song that would go on a Greatest Hits album. It's not very complex or hard to follow. I'm not saying it's bad or that it's good to not be complex, but it's just a Greatest Hits type.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

4 Degrees wouldn't go on there because it's never talked about amongst fans. Very underrated.

Another question; why are Crawl Away, Swamp Song and Undertow ALWAYS forgotten? I think they're the best songs on Undertow, but no one has ever talked about them!

4 Degrees is one of the most talked about songs in this thread

/thinks back to the days of me and deadohiosky9 learning it

Undertow is a classic off that album. Swamp Song and Crawl Away are good, but they lack the hooks.

[Werny]

I guess 4 Degrees would be on a greatest hits. It's kind of an embodiment of Tool (eastern, about realising mankind's full potential).

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I also think that all of the title tracks should be on the fictitious album. They were all good and are all talked about.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Maynard's description of 4* was amusing. "The anus opens 4* wider than the vagina" or something.

[Werny]

Swamp Song, for me, has the most catchy "chorus" of any Tool song.

[Werny]

In Chains, it's "the inside of the anus is 4 degrees warmer then that of the vagina".

Icky.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

In Chains, it's "the inside of the anus is 4 degrees warmer then that of the vagina".

Icky.

Hmm, could have sworn I heard different. But yeah, either way... nasty. :lol:

Edit: Yup, you're right.
"Apparently the anal cavity has 8 more working muscles and is 4 degrees warmer than the vagina. This, however, is NOT a song about violation. It is a song about opening up, completely, without reservation."

[Werny]

That's what the FAQ says.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

It's what Maynard said. But yeah, got it from FAQ.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Hmm, could have sworn I heard different. But yeah, either way... nasty. :lol:

Edit: Yup, you're right.
"Apparently the anal cavity has 8 more working muscles and is 4 degrees warmer than the vagina. This, however, is NOT a song about violation. It is a song about opening up, completely, without reservation."

Listen to the lyrics with the idea of anal penetration in mind. Then do the same with APC's 'Thinking Of You'. MJK has some mind issues.

[Rounder]

As far as I'm concerned, undertow is in no way less of a record than Enima or Lateralus. Each album is a completely different. Intolerance, Flood, those are as good as anything on the later records. Sure its got a different sound, they have a different bass player, but I love the production. It's just a heavier version of Tool imo. The songs are a little more straight forward, but really the songs aren't that different from the other records. Eulogy sounds like it could have gone on Undertow, so does Stinkfist. Im glad that they went in the direction they did, but I still love the older tunes. Im glad they change it up each album. Makes me wonder what the hell is coming next.

Some of you guys thinking that Intolerance and Flood arent as good, need to look at those songs from a new perspective. Maybe learning them on guitar. I came to a new understanding and appreciation of Tool after learning how to play most of their songs. Intolerance and Flood are two of my favorites to play off of any album.

[Werny]

Undertow really has no interesting dynamics to keep me interested for long.

But every song on it's own is classic.

Does anyone think Tool are capable of another ballad with the next album? Sober was well recieved.

[Everything_and_Nothing_3:15]

Maynard's description of 4* was amusing. "The anus opens 4* wider than the vagina" or something.
No, it is 4 degrees hotter inside the anus than in the vagina.

[BlindWriting]

Undertow really has no interesting dynamics to keep me interested for long.

But every song on it's own is classic.

Does anyone think Tool are capable of another ballad with the next album? Sober was well recieved.
Sober was a ballad?

[Werny]

Sober was a ballad?

It's slow, sensitive, and not very energetic. Yes, I think it's a ballad.

[Kage]

Sober was the first Tool song I heard. It hooked me on them. I loved and still do love that song, it's so dark and the lyrics are awesome. I went out to buy the CD because I loved Sober so much, and I admit I was somewhat dissapointed. The other songs on the CD didn't manage to grab me as much.

A few months later, luckily, I was given Lateralus for my birthday and it blew my mind. I then later was able to look back and appreciate Undertow more, just because I realized where the band was going with their music, and what they were all about.

Intolerance, Flood, 4 Degrees, and Undertow are my favorite songs on it.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Sober was the first Tool song I heard.


To tell you the truth, I never heard a Tool song until I purchased Lateralus. :eek:

[Kage]

To tell you the truth, I never heard a Tool song until I purchased Lateralus. :eek:

Then what gave you the inclination to purchase it?

[Werny]

Then what gave you the inclination to purchase it?

Maybe he purchased it because it's widely considered to be the greatest piece of plastic in existence?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Good question...Basically I heard a lot about the background of Tool, and how complex their music was, so I was inclined to buy it. Same thing happened with Dream Theater, but I didn't end up liking them that much, so there's some risk involved in aimlessly purchasing albums, but usually it ends up good. :p


EDIT: In a nutshell, what Werny said. :lol:

[Kage]

Same thing happened to me with Dredg, with great results.

[bassist-bmxer]

I actually really like the undertow album, and i think the song 'undertow' is really good.

I have a wierd tool album, it's called Tool- The Ultimate Ultra Rare Trax. My girlfriend got it for me from London for christmas, its definetly fake though, but still quite a decent album.

Its actually more of a Maynard album as most of the songs are other band's songs with guest vocals from Maynard. But it does have some of Tool's early demo's.

playlist:
1)shandi's addiction-calling dr. love (kiss cover by maynard, tom morello, brad wilk and billy gould)
2)Rev 22:20 (Maynard, Danny Lohner)
3)Deftones-Passenger (Maynard guest vocals)
4)santa monica & orange (maynard guest vocals)
5)choked (loads of people but again Maynard guest vocals)
6)muhammad my friend (live duet between Maynard & Tori Amos)
7)The Melvins & Tool-Divorced
8)Sober (demo)
9)Part Of Me (demo)
10)Hush (demo)
11)crawl away (demo)
12)Jerkoff (demo)
13)Cold and ugly (demo)
14)Tool-spasm (live peach cover)
15)Tool-Wrong way (live sublime cover)
16)Tool & Ratm-Kill The Revolution

Track 14 (spasm) is a really good song (Peach is Justin Chancellor's old band)

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

No, it is 4 degrees hotter inside the anus than in the vagina.

No! Really?! :lol:

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

16)Tool & Ratm-Kill The Revolution



What does this song sound like on your album? Does it sound like a crappy bootleg, or does it have good quality?

[bassist-bmxer]

Yeah crappy bootleg i'm afraid :upset: still....great song.

Just wish they got it recorded properly before rage split.

[Werny]

I actually really like the undertow album, and i think the song 'undertow' is really good.

I have a wierd tool album, it's called Tool- The Ultimate Ultra Rare Trax. My girlfriend got it for me from London for christmas, its definetly fake though, but still quite a decent album.

Its actually more of a Maynard album as most of the songs are other band's songs with guest vocals from Maynard. But it does have some of Tool's early demo's.

playlist:
1)shandi's addiction-calling dr. love (kiss cover by maynard, tom morello, brad wilk and billy gould)
2)Rev 22:20 (Maynard, Danny Lohner)
3)Deftones-Passenger (Maynard guest vocals)
4)santa monica & orange (maynard guest vocals)
5)choked (loads of people but again Maynard guest vocals)
6)muhammad my friend (live duet between Maynard & Tori Amos)
7)The Melvins & Tool-Divorced
8)Sober (demo)
9)Part Of Me (demo)
10)Hush (demo)
11)crawl away (demo)
12)Jerkoff (demo)
13)Cold and ugly (demo)
14)Tool-spasm (live peach cover)
15)Tool-Wrong way (live sublime cover)
16)Tool & Ratm-Kill The Revolution

Track 14 (spasm) is a really good song (Peach is Justin Chancellor's old band)

I think a friend of mine has this. I'm dying to hear the Crawl Away demo.

And Divorced. Melvins are one of the greatest bands ever.

[Sleeper]

I dl Divorced and there isnt any instruments.

[bassist-bmxer]

Werny: If you want, i'll send them to you.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Tori and Maynard made a good pair.

[bassist-bmxer]

^yeah I love that song they did.

[estel]

hmm.. going to the topic presented a pge or 2 ago..
a "best of Tool" ...
I don't think it wouild work. Each of Tool's albums are fairly distinct, and to mix the tracks up could sound fairly odd...
but I'll try anyways :D
Perhaps a 2-disc would work better? Have the more angry stuff on disc one, the more deep stuff on disc 2?

1.
Hush -A nice start - heavy, but with a message
Intolerance
Prison Sex - these 2 should be popular choices with fans
H. - one of my personal favourites from Ænima
pushit (live) - the last 3 songs fit together as having a common theme IMHO
stinkfist
Ænema - these two sit together due to the names :naughty:
Ticks & Leeches
Eulogy
The Grudge
- Ions - a calming track, with negative ions to promote healing after letting out the anger

2.
schism - "I know the pieces fit" ie a mishmash of different tracks fit together
Third Eye
46 & 2 - opening the 3rd eye, and reaching towards the next level of evolution
parabol/parabola - eternal life, through meditation
Lateralus - best song ever.. had to on there
Disposition/Reflection/Triad

Who wouldn't love to own two CDs with those tracks on it?
I know I would.. although I already have most of them

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

hmm.. going to the topic presented a pge or 2 ago..
a "best of Tool" ...
I don't think it wouild work. Each of Tool's albums are fairly distinct, and to mix the tracks up could sound fairly odd...
but I'll try anyways :D
Perhaps a 2-disc would work better? Have the more angry stuff on disc one, the more deep stuff on disc 2?

1.
Hush -A nice start - heavy, but with a message
Intolerance
Prison Sex - these 2 should be popular choices with fans
H. - one of my personal favourites from Ænima
pushit (live) - the last 3 songs fit together as having a common theme IMHO
stinkfist
Ænema - these two sit together due to the names :naughty:
Ticks & Leeches
Eulogy
The Grudge
- Ions - a calming track, with negative ions to promote healing after letting out the anger

2.
schism - "I know the pieces fit" ie a mishmash of different tracks fit together
Third Eye
46 & 2 - opening the 3rd eye, and reaching towards the next level of evolution
parabol/parabola - eternal life, through meditation
Lateralus - best song ever.. had to on there
Disposition/Reflection/Triad

Who wouldn't love to own two CDs with those tracks on it?
I know I would.. although I already have most of them

Or, you could just make an mp3 cd with all of their songs on one cd. :p I like the list, for the most part. I would take out - ions. Not a fan of the 4 minute filler track, plus, I don't find it very calming. Actually, that's all I would take off. :thumb:

[AIC/EAZY-E]

I tried making a Tool greatest hits for myself about 2 years ago with what I THOUGHT were Tool's best songs.I just chose the well known songs and singles.The track list was :
1.Part of Me
2.Hush
3.Sober
4.Prison Sex
5.Stinkfist
6.46 & 2
7.H.
8.Hooker With A *****
9.Schism
10.Parabola
11.Opiate
12.Undertow
13.Aenema
14.Lateralus

as you can see most of Tool's best songs aren't there.Maybe that tracklist would go for a good introduction to a friend or something.But I'd rather buy all their albums.
oh and I don't think Tool did that Sublime cover..it didn't sound like Maynard at all.They do a cover of Silly Love Songs which is pretty good..who is the original by?While on the subject of covers,I always thought their No Quarter cover on Salival was live,but it's actually a studio version.I might even go so far to say that it's better than the original :confused: just maybe.

[Werny]

Werny: If you want, i'll send them to you.

Nah man it's cool, someone at school has it, so it'd be easier to get them off him.

But thanks for the most generous offer!

[niobium]

My "best of" cd is alright. here it is:

1. The Grudge
2. Hush
3. Sober
4. Parabola
5. H
6. Aenema
7. The Patient
8. Stinkfist
9. Hooker With A Pen.is
10. Schism
11. Forty-Six & 2
12. Prison Sex
13. Lateralus

it flows together pretty well. these are all songs i put on when i first started listening to tool, and i thought these were their best songs. i hope to make a disc 2 with songs that i didn't even use in disc 1. like pus.hit, opiate, and disposition. songs like that.

[Werny]

With Peach, that song that Tool awesomely cover on Salival (You Lied), well, was that the original song length? Or did they extend it?

[AIC/EAZY-E]

No they extended it by about 3 minutes.Tool's version is alot better by the way.Maybe if you heard Peach's version first you'd think otherwise...but Maynard turns everything to gold.Oh.Emotive never happened...

[Werny]

Oh. Shame. I wanna check out Peach.

You Lied is my favourite track from Salival. The best bass intro ever.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

No they extended it by about 3 minutes.Tool's version is alot better by the way.Maybe if you heard Peach's version first you'd think otherwise...but Maynard turns everything to gold.Oh.Emotive never happened...


:lol:

So, anyone have any news on the breakup of APC?

[Werny]

Did anyone get that Axis of Justice thingo with Cornell and Maynard on it? Is it good?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

It has a killer lineup or artists. Cornell, Morello, Serj Tankian, Maynard, Flea...etc..I haven't heard it though.

Could anyone tell me what kind of bass Justin Plays? I'm looking into buying a bass, and he has killer tone.

[mudvayne420]

APC broke up, Are you TOyin or not?

[Six Foot Revolver]

:eek:

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

A couple members left.

/rampage insues


I thoguht this was old news...Howerdell his new project the damning Well, and someone else up and left, I heard. This could be untrue, but I recall several people confirming this a couple weeks back, in this thread.

[Six Foot Revolver]

:eek:

/Starts riot

Edit:It's not on there website

[G_Mac07]

So, last night I was roaming peoples computers and found a Stringed Tribute to Tool. Has anyone else ever heard of this? The group goes by a name similar to "the Third Eye tribute to Tool". It was pretty cool to listen to, considering I am a fan of classical instruments in music.

/will post a better post when I get home. Might upload something as well, depending on my internet credit.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I started the entire rumor that Napoleon Dynamite died, so this could be false....Don't trust my word, but I'd look into it...

[Huber]

Napoleon Dynamite didn't die?

Edit: Yeah he did...I had to reassure myself I wasn't going crazy

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I coulda sworn everyone knew about this...:confused: Someone did say that Billy Howerdell left to be in some other band...

[SickoKid]

Yeah only because APC is on temporiary hiatus because of Maynard going over to Tool. He has to keep himself busy for a few years since Maynard will be with Tool for a while now. No more APC to at least 2007 im guessing.

[Six Foot Revolver]

I hardly come in here which explains why I haven't heard anything about it.

/Should post in here more often

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Someone do a google search on The Damning Well if you want to find out what is going on with the other members of APC

[SonorKen]

I think Maynard will work on both projects in the future. I believe he will put one on the back burner while he works on the other. I hope he realizes/remembers how special "Tool" is when he gets back with them. They have opened my eyes to so much it blows me away when I think about it.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I think Maynard will work on both projects in the future. I believe he will put one on the back burner while he works on the other. I hope he realizes/remembers how special "Tool" is when he gets back with them. They have opened my eyes to so much it blows me away when I think about it.

They pried open your third eye, eh? Same here. It's amazing how a group of people so distant can impact your life in such a unique way.

[Werny]

Listening to Fantomas, Der Golem.

Is it possible? Am I ENJOYING A DEATH METAL BAND!!!???

But yeah. Tool have chosen their influences very well for the new album.

[G_Mac07]

The group I mentioned earlier is called "Third Eye Open - The String Tribute to Tool". I suggest you give them a look if your into both Tool and stringed instruments (other than guitar and bass, I realise they are stringed instruments).

I can't give an upload due to my lack of internet credit, but I suggest check out The Patient to start with.

[estel]

Tool have had an impact on me like no other band.
The whole Lateralus album is pretty inspiring. Mainly Parabol/Parabola, Lateralus and Disposition/Reflection.

They inspired me to read Bob Frissell's book, which has been mentiond several times in this thread.
The messages contained in that book, and in Lateralus are changing my whole outlok on life -
"We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion"
"To swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human"
"Crucify the ego"
"We are all one mind, capable of all thats imagined and all conceivable"

I'm making an effort to live up to my potential, and be less of a jerk... to more at one with those around me... Tool have managed to start me turning into a new-age person... and I love them for it.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I coulda sworn everyone knew about this...:confused: Someone did say that Billy Howerdell left to be in some other band...

This would make very little sense, as APC IS Billy Horwdel, its his child. And those who mentioned the Daming Well, I didnt think billy was invloved with that? As far as I know, its Josh Freese, Wes Borland and the singer from Filter.

The one song they released makes me wish they doi become a permenant band though

[James Howlett]

Have you ever heard Wes Borland's solo album Duke lion fights the terror? That man is the a musical madman. Its a shame his talent is wasted in a band like Limp Bizket.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Have you ever heard Wes Borland's solo album Duke lion fights the terror? That man is the a musical madman. Its a shame his talent is wasted in a band like Limp Bizket.

Was it Big Dumb Face or something one of his songs? Oh god, that was dire in its strangeness. i remember him saying he did it as a drunken dare, but the when he sobered up, he would plug on and do it.

[Kage]

The group I mentioned earlier is called "Third Eye Open - The String Tribute to Tool". I suggest you give them a look if your into both Tool and stringed instruments (other than guitar and bass, I realise they are stringed instruments).

I can't give an upload due to my lack of internet credit, but I suggest check out The Patient to start with.

I'd really like to hear that, I loved stringed instruments, and I've heard a few similar tributes to different artists; they usually sound awesome.

APC didn't break up, they're just seperated right now because Maynard isn't there. It doesn't make much of a difference, though, as long as Howederell and Maynard get back together, as they're the ones who write all the music for it. I hope to see more of it in the future, but for now we need some Tool.

[bassist-bmxer]

It has a killer lineup or artists. Cornell, Morello, Serj Tankian, Maynard, Flea...etc..I haven't heard it though.

Could anyone tell me what kind of bass Justin Plays? I'm looking into buying a bass, and he has killer tone.
Justin plays custom Wal mach 2's i'm pretty sure. I want one so bad.... one problem though...to get one new it would probably cost you around $3,000-$5,000 :upset:

[the2stranger]

^

plus all the cool effects Justin uses, it would be very expensive, but you would have an awesome sounding bass

[bassist-bmxer]

yeah I have been trying to Chancellors tone for ages, specially his tone in 'Schism' it is so hard to get! I have a multi-effects pedal and the same boss chorus pedal that Justin uses, and I still cant get that tone. It actually quite annoys me :p :upset:

[circlethedrain]

Doesnt he use a Diesel amp?

[bassist-bmxer]

no i'm pretty sure he uses mesa boogie amps.

[Rounder]

Justin uses Wal basses (which he fell for while recording "Ænima"), cabinets by Mesa/Boogie (8 inch speakers), pre-amp by Demeter. Effects: Boss Delay, Chorus, Flanger, and Distortion pedals, and a DigiTech Bass Whammy pedal, used occasionally (for example, at the beginnings of "Third Eye" and "Eulogy".)

:thumb:

[the2stranger]

yeah I have been trying to Chancellors tone for ages, specially his tone in 'Schism' it is so hard to get! I have a multi-effects pedal and the same boss chorus pedal that Justin uses, and I still cant get that tone. It actually quite annoys me :p :upset:

someone told me some time a go that he sends his tone through ten effect pedals before it goes out the amp.
do you by chance know what song this was again?

[TheSubtleArts]

ive tryed to get justins tone on mine too, very difficult, still havent got it completely

[Adam Jones is GOD]

someone told me some time a go that he sends his tone through ten effect pedals before it goes out the amp.
do you by chance know what song this was again?

Thats an Adam trick, and (we believe) that it was for Triad

[bassist-bmxer]

what is everyones favorite tool band picture?

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

what is everyones favorite tool band picture?

Of the band? Definitely the one with the chihuahua on Maynard's shoulder from toolshed.

Artwork? The one with Bill Hicks and Maynard from Ænima.

[bassist-bmxer]

this is my favorite http://www.toolpantheon.com/toolapmag.jpg

[Kage]

Doesnt he use a Diesel amp?

I think you're thinking of Adam, who uses a Diezel as one of his amps.

this is my favorite http://www.toolpa