Tool

[Kage]

I haven't listened to him much, but I'd definately be interested in changing that.

[Arrakakaka]

and although I love APC, I'd rather him spend time with Tool.
Amen.They need to start working on some more stuff.APC is good with their 4 current albums.If Maynard starts to work more with tool,he'll get double the cash.I hope he does do more Tool.

[x the patient x6]

APC had a good run

but i am not so sure about thier future, theres only so much they can do, and everything seems very unorganized with them, Tool are much more compact and solid and have a more foreseeable future
ok later

[pigonthewing82]

I don't like ACP that much. They have some good songs, but I listen to Tool for the long instrumentals. APC kinda goes against what I listen to them for. I think Maynards time could be better spent with Tool.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Who in here listens to Bill Hicks. It is in my opinion you must listen to him to compleatly take in and understand some Tool songs.

I appreciated Third Eye a whole lot more after I heard some stuff of his.

Squeegying open his third eye

[pigonthewing82]

I appreciated Third Eye a whole lot more after I heard some stuff of his.

Squeegying open his third eye

Yea the tital track was a lot more meaningful after I heard Hick's cd Arizona Bay.

[Sleeper]

APC had a good run

but i am not so sure about thier future, theres only so much they can do, and everything seems very unorganized with them, Tool are much more compact and solid and have a more foreseeable future
ok later
How do you know? This could be Tool's last album.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

How do you know? This could be Tool's last album.

Please, don't even hint about this being true. :upset:

[SonorKen]

^^^ I have thought that, I too really hope it isnt.

[SonorKen]

Oh noes. It can't be Tool's last album. I will turn emo and slit my wrists. Guys, seriously.
Kill the drama, noone is going to slit thier wrists because Tool decides to not do another album. Excuse someone for not wanting one of thier favorite artists to quit making music.

[jamesclelland]

anything new on the release date or possible tours?

[Danny Carey is GOD]

anything new on the release date or possible tours?
You need only to read the last few pages of this topic to realise there isn't. If people hear ANYTHING new they will jump in and post it straight away.

On a different note. Maynard said something like not ever putting half of himself into a band. He said he would commit 100% to projects at a time. Wether that means this Tool album, a couple tours, then another APC CD i don't know.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

The last tool album idea unfortunately holds some weight. Since the members are all geting on in age factor, MJK will bur himselfs out with all the bands he's trying to perform with, Danny's metallic implants are running low on power, Adam is slowly ascending and is now only half in this world, half in the next. And Justin will finally get fed up with American food, and return home to reform Peach.

But seriously, I wont be looking into such an option until i've had some new audio delights from them.

And to add to the Bikini Bandits comment, it was played at 12am on Christmas Day one year, I stayed up because I heard MJK was the devil.

Worst.Christmas.EVER

[Danny Carey is GOD]

The last tool album idea unfortunately holds some weight. Since the members are all geting on in age factor, MJK will bur himselfs out with all the bands he's trying to perform with, Danny's metallic implants are running low on power, Adam is slowly ascending and is now only half in this world, half in the next. And Justin will finally get fed up with American food, and return home to reform Peach.

But seriously, I wont be looking into such an option until i've had some new audio delights from them.

And to add to the Bikini Bandits comment, it was played at 12am on Christmas Day one year, I stayed up because I heard MJK was the devil.

Worst.Christmas.EVER
Danny will dissapear into the mystic underground world of bang bang bash.
Maynard will move completely out of the spotlight and just laugh at his life.
Justin will come home and have some good ol' fish n' chips.
Adam, heaven? Okay, as long as Danny can go to.

Shame people still get old. Reading some Doctors opinion about 80 years ago I think. "By 200, people will live to 400 years old with the way medicine is advancing." Haha, bit of a random way to finish a post, but then, it was, quite a random post.

[Werny]

Haven't heard much APC, only Imagine (yes I know, I won't judge them on it) and Judith. Judith is an ok song, nothing incredibly special. One of those retarded songs that starts off heavy and brutal then turns sad and melancholy during the chorus (this ruins many Live songs). Are all APC songs like this? Hope not.

A question I've been meaning to ask... was Maynard a lieutenant (sp?) in the army? If so... LK... Lieutenant Keenan... even if he wasn't one, it still could be that.... interesting...

Another question: Do you think it's possible the album will be called Systema Encephale? I think that's what it was (for those who don't know, it's what Tool said Lateralus was going to be, to screw around with the public).

[James Howlett]

I saw APC live a couple of years back when they were touring with Deftones and Maynard had grown his hair long enough to sit on it. I was wondering if he truly has some godlike genes or something, cuz one year earlier, not even a year, he was bald when preforming with Tool on Ozzfest.

[conciousuniverse]

I love all of Tool and APC's music.

For me, and maybe because Im a girl, APC definitely embraces some more feminine qualities. It is good to see Maynard balance the too personalities.

Listening to Emotive for the first time on my birthday, Oct 30, was phenomenal. My 4-unit of best friends and I felt like we were being taken on yet another enlightening journey. Personally, this is because we greatly sympathize with the attitudes expressed on the album. Lets Have a War is my favorite. F*ck Smiley-glad hands... And for me, the songs do relate to the state of the union and the collective unconcious. I could go on and on, but that means we are going to get into heavy occult and spiritual matters, as well as "conspiracy theories" and this is a music forum, so I will resist.

Amotion is worth the purchase for the commentary alone. There is also an interesting video collage by Billy that we have watched many times. At first I was put off by the Bikini Bandits, but Thinking of You is a song about masterbation, so the video is justified.

Also, I would not be suprised if this is the last album from Tool, and possibly one more from APC before Billy releases his solo project (which I am looking forward too as well.) Then I expect Maynard to become a music Producer & an official Wino. God bless him. I am sure we will see many more artworks from all of the artists involved, whether they are up front, or behind the scenes.

[conciousuniverse]

Kombucha Mushroom & All,

For info concerning Tool's interest in the occult:

Danny Carey.org (www.dannycarey.org)
goto the Philosophy section.

Danny's Drums (http://www.oiad.net/pictura/tool_danny_03.jpg)

Ritual w/ Tool & Alex Grey (http://www.oiad.net/pictura/related_alexgrey_17.jpg)

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

So I guess the Tool CD is definitely coming out in June of this year! Can't fvcking wait!

[clearvision]

Proof.

[TheSubtleArts]

So I guess the Tool CD is definitely coming out in June of this year! Can't fvcking wait!

where di you hear that?

[Sleeper]

Please, don't even hint about this being true. :upset:
Well i dont think anyone wishes that in this thread, But it could be a reality.

[Rounder]

i have heard that the guys and maynard are finally getting together soon, since apc is on hiatus. Ive heard that Apc is done with maynard, that that may move on, but that is probably not true.

If you have winamp, you can go to the winamp.com videos section of the media library, and under hard rock you can see videos for passive, and a remixed version of a song of 13th step. Forgot the original name, but the remix name is counting the bodies like sheep (yea that one). It kinda has an eggs of satan feel to it, but the video is really good.

I have nightmares about this being Tool's last album, Ive heard maynard say in different interviews about the future, all he says is 'i dont know, Tool is what Im doing right now'. I definately see an end coming, who knows though. Its been a fun ride for sure.

"I was at the 96.5 K Rock Tsunami Relief Concert last night and I was completely awed when Maynard walked out to sing a few songs ... and I have to add did a wonderful job at it. The irony is that outside before the show some guy from K Rock was interviewing people outside (we were one of the first 10 people in line for the show) and he asked me if I could have anyone sing for Layne who would my dream "replacement" be and I of course answered "Maynard from Tool". We both laughed like yeah right in a cold day in hell. So I was very surprised when my dream came true. I just wanted to let someone know that it kicked *** and I really enjoyed the whole show. I really miss Layne and Alice in Chains will very obviously never be the same now that he's gone but last night was really awesome and Maynard did him right." from Tools main website.. thought is was cool as hell Maynard singing for Layne. Layne has alwyas been an influence on me and i miss the music,

[BlindWriting]

A question I've been meaning to ask... was Maynard a lieutenant (sp?) in the army? If so... LK... Lieutenant Keenan... even if he wasn't one, it still could be that.... interesting...
That's interesting, I don't know what Maynard's rank was while he was in the military. It would follow the tradition of Maynard–named songs, such as "Jimmy" and "Maynard's Dick".

[TheSubtleArts]

i heard some songs from that concert, i thought he did especially well on "man in the box"

[D3ATH of a NATION]

I heard that the Tool CD is coming out somtime in the late Spring Early summer because all the music is recorded already. They are just waiting for Maynard to put the vocals on.

[Darkness]

Then you heard wrong, as they are still writing.

[conciousuniverse]

Man in the Box was my favorite.

In other news,
Has everyone read the Jan. Newsletter?

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I heard that the Tool CD is coming out somtime in the late Spring Early summer because all the music is recorded already. They are just waiting for Maynard to put the vocals on.

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My uncle found this out from his friend and told me. I don't know if this is true but he's a producer who I believe is in the know. Other Tool fans I know have said the same thing too.

Around June.

[clearvision]

Well i have heard that they will tour in july which would back up your calim, however my source was not V reliable, we can but hope i suppose.

[Kage]

If they're still writing, I have serious doubts that it will be out by June or July. Unless they're just doing it where they finish a song completely, record it, then work on another song.

[back to the front]

Hopefully it comes by June. Waiting gets old, and makes fans get ancy.

[Kage]

As long as they deliver a quality album that's worth waiting for, I don't mind.

[back to the front]

^ True. But it would be nice to be done waiting...and be enjoying the music.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

True, but then again, I have some Tool material to catch up on anyways. I have Lateralus and Æima, but I have been thouroughly blown away with both. So, I don't really mind if they get their new album out now or later. I have quite the list of albums to purchase that have been released this year. Frances the Mute, whenever Meshuggah's new one comes out, SoaD's albums, etc..

NP: Mahavishnu Orchestra-Celestial Terrestrial Commuters. :cool

EDIT: :lol: I thought this was the community thread for a second.

[Kage]

Of course. The only thing that bothers me is this period of waiting; the one where we know virtually nothing except that there will be one and *sometime* soon. I like when there have been details released--the final stretch.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Yep, I'm waiting on a lot of albums too. Mars Volta being the shortest wait.

[Kage]

NIN, Deftones, Tool, Cold are the main ones for me.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Yep, I'm waiting on a lot of albums too. Mars Volta being the shortest wait.

Came out yesterday. :thumb:

To Kage, I know exactly how you feel. The bad thing about knowing when an album comes out is the fact that the release is garunteed to get knocked back about 6 months. :rolleyes: Take SoaD's new album(s). The original release date was scheduled for November 21. Currently, the release date is May something. :irritated:

Oh well, I have become less of a SoaD fanboy due to this extended wait, which is probably a good thing, amirite?

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Came out yesterday. :thumb:



I know! But I have to wait 'til tomorrow. :upset:

I thought that I could just take my time and pick it up today, but they were out.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Do you think Walmart would carrie Frances the Mute? I don't feel like driving outta town to go find it, so maybe I'll swing by the biggest corporate black hole to see if they have it.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I doubt it.

[TheSubtleArts]

Do you think Walmart would carrie Frances the Mute? I don't feel like driving outta town to go find it, so maybe I'll swing by the biggest corporate black hole to see if they have it.

no, they only have very mainstream music from what ive seen there

[siva_chair]

Hopefully I'll be able to get that cd tomorrow. I've been waiting for a new Mars Volta cd for a long time.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

no, they only have very mainstream music from what ive seen there

I agree, however, I did purchase my copy of OK Computer there. Granted, Radiohead is a more mainstream band than The Mars Volta, but still, they are a less infamous band than Tool, which I could find none of at Walmart. Then again, I wouldn't buy anything by Tool from Walmart, due to their faggy censoring policy. :rolleyes:

[BlindWriting]

First, I read the guy's post.
Second, I read his user title: "Banned."
Third, I laughed.

[Rounder]

First, I read the guy's post.
Second, I read his user title: "Banned."
Third, I laughed.


lol. Ipods suck anyways. :thumb:

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

/off topic
I have an iPod, it's great quality... Problem is, after while the charging does not yield as much listening time.

I agree, however, I did purchase my copy of OK Computer there. Granted, Radiohead is a more mainstream band than The Mars Volta, but still, they are a less infamous band than Tool, which I could find none of at Walmart. Then again, I wouldn't buy anything by Tool from Walmart, due to their faggy censoring policy.

Unbe--fvcking--lievable, huh? They censor a fvcking rib cage! That's right, Walmartians, Walmart censors the rib cage that Adam created on Undertow. Happy shopping! Losers.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Unbe--fvcking--lievable, huh? They censor a fvcking rib cage! That's right, Walmartians, Walmart censors the rib cage that Adam created on Undertow. Happy shopping! Losers.

Not only do they censor the cover, but the content as well. They don't even offer uncensored material. What is this world coming to? :upset:


**** Walmart.

^^:lol: irony ++

[Darkness]

**** Walmart.

+rep for that comment :thumb:

[Kage]

Why would you shop at WalMart for CDs anyway? They can market whatever they want. It's not like the uncensored versions can't be bought. If you don't like it, don't shop there.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I actually have a good reason. I just turned 16 about 2 weeks ago, and I am getting raped by the gas expenses, and Walmart is the closest place that carries cds, and the closest place that I know would have FtM is 45 minutes away. Maybe this weekend I'll go with my mom up there. Well, anyways, thats why.

[chessdog]

Not only do they censor the cover, but the content as well. They don't even offer uncensored material. What is this world coming to? :upset:


**** Walmart.

^^:lol: irony ++


What's the use offering only editted CD's when you can buy DVD's at Wal-Mart that have profanity and violence on them? I guess they figure that only children listen to music.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

What's the use offering only editted CD's when you can buy DVD's at Wal-Mart that have profanity and violence on them? I guess they figure that only children listen to music.

I would like to see an edited DVD. Like on TV, when she show rated R movies on ABC or something. Quite funny, because they try to dub in words. :lol: As for why they censor the music, it's just a gimmick, and it works quite well.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I bet they sell condoms there. Again, irony ++ for being a "family store."

[opeth_oasis]

kombucha, it makes no sense why your banned

[Corganschild]

But children don't listen to music. At least not music that requires editing. They have to only offer edited cd's because it's a "family" store? I dunno. Walmart is queer.

That's not true. I was 11/12 when I listened heavily to Guns n Roses.. ok maybe that's not a child, but hell I started watching MTV since I was in first grade, and who's to say I wouldn't have bought tapes if I could have? :p

Another thing, though, is that they allow sexual references to be made in songs (and even my overprotective mom didn't mind that) however they cut out the curses.

[Werny]

Here's another thing to think about - VIDEOS

What do you think, with the increased length of the songs, the videos will be like (if there is videos)?

I think they'll be more computerized, since Tool made lots of money off Lateralus and thus will have better technology for the matters. There'll still be the odd bit of clay though.

Another thing, I had a freaky nightmare the other night, I was running away from something (didn't know what it was) with little people running with me, and then one of the people from the Schism clip was standing behind me eating one of the little people. Scariest thing I've seen in ages (it was very unexpected).

[BlindWriting]

I actually have a good reason. I just turned 16 about 2 weeks ago, and I am getting raped by the gas expenses, and Walmart is the closest place that carries cds, and the closest place that I know would have FtM is 45 minutes away. Maybe this weekend I'll go with my mom up there. Well, anyways, thats why.
Why not just use amazon.com? Or any other site like that?

[TheSubtleArts]

I bet they sell condoms there. Again, irony ++ for being a "family store."

they do

[Kage]

Why not just use amazon.com? Or any other site like that?

Yes, Amazon is the answer to everyone's problems. While I guess kombucha's reason is a valid one, I find it disturbing that the closest CD retailer other than Walmart is 45 minutes away.

[Darkness]

kombucha, it makes no sense why your banned

Why was he?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

kombucha, it makes no sense why your banned

Seriously. I posted 1 comment in a thread that wasn't even that bad of spam, and i get a 3 day. Everybody, neg rep joshmay if you see him. He's the mod that banned me. Whatever though, my alt account can use a post/rep++ I guess. :p

EDIT: and to DoG, specifically I got banned for posting in this thread in the pit called "sixths." I heard I got banned for "spamming the pit." Again, irony ++ Anyways, I'm glad to see people are concerned. :thumb:

[Darkness]

Strange.. I'm ganna go check it out..

[Kage]

That's pretty lame dude.

[Magicaltroll]

Seriously. I posted 1 comment in a thread that wasn't even that bad of spam, and i get a 3 day. Everybody, neg rep joshmay if you see him. He's the mod that banned me. Whatever though, my alt account can use a post/rep++ I guess. :p

EDIT: and to DoG, specifically I got banned for posting in this thread in the pit called "sixths." I heard I got banned for "spamming the pit." Again, irony ++ Anyways, I'm glad to see people are concerned. :thumb:
How can you spam in the pit :confused:

[Idiot Martyr]

Not only do they censor the cover, but the content as well. They don't even offer uncensored material. What is this world coming to? :upset:


**** Walmart.

^^:lol: irony ++

I get a kick out of the note inside though lol. It is odd that they censored all the artwork, what was so wrong with ribcage, pig, cow, and whatnot? I hate censorship and I do believe Tool does too (Hush lol). But what can we do about it. I could understand if it was only the words but the artwork is ridiculous

[BlindWriting]

Ha, I remember popping out the black CD holder in the case and seeing that picture. Perfect example of that odd kind of humor Tool is into.

[Darkness]

I get a kick out of the note inside though lol. It is odd that they censored all the artwork, what was so wrong with ribcage, pig, cow, and whatnot? I hate censorship and I do believe Tool does too (Hush lol). But what can we do about it. I could understand if it was only the words but the artwork is ridiculous

Your leaving out the pictures of the weird giant fat naked guys on the inside cover.. I kinda wish that was censored on my copy of it.

[Darkness]

lol thats sick dude. :lol:

[Kage]

Your* leaving out the pictures of the weird giant fat naked guys on the inside cover.. I kinda wish that was censored on my copy of it.

*You're

[BlindWriting]

I believe that was Thirteenth Step by APC.

[conciousuniverse]

tilling my own grave to keep me level.........

[clearvision]

....Jam another dragon down the hole

But this is the tool thread :p

...and we all know the best line in that song is 'someone feed the monkey while i dig in search of china' :)

[The JoZ]

Hah. I'm not even a dude.

Anyways.. what was that one CD with the liner notes that had the picture of a woman's vagina? Was that APC or Tool? I can't remember.

Neither.

13 Step had a woman who was nude-ish, but there was no vagina present.

Tool had the naked people on Undertow, but you couldn't see anything of the woman's

[Sleeper]

Mer De Noms had the woman bending over in the booklet.

[The JoZ]

Mer De Noms had the woman bending over in the booklet.

Oh well, that might be it then.

I don't know where my MDN cover is

[conciousuniverse]

the devil has my ear today,
ill never hear a word you say,
promised i would find
a little solice
and some piece of mind
whatever


this is the tool and other related topics, yes?

the weak and powerless video, that woman...
the void in the centre of our being
a perfect expression of the music

[clearvision]

NOt for much longer when we edit the shiznit out of the first post.

[BlindWriting]

On the topic of the videos, does anyone have any idea what the meaning was behind the 3 Libras music video? It was well done, but it left me wondering....

[Sleeper]

Ive never seen it, I can never get into APC music videos.

[TheSubtleArts]

ive never even seen any of their videos

[Darkness]

Hah. I'm not even a dude.

Oh, I'm really sorry :o.

But that girl in the 13th step booklet is very very hot. :thumb:

[BlindWriting]

I heard she's a porn star, but that was just a rumor.

[jamesclelland]

ive never even seen any of their videos


Go buy aMOTION. it has all there videos to date, and maynard does a commentary. You have to see the noose live video. words cant describe it

[Joelbassman]

Aparrently the lady with the attractive behind in the Mer De Noms booklet is paz

[Arrakakaka]

Aparrently the lady with the attractive behind in the Mer De Noms booklet is paz
Gladly,I can still find my booklet for the cd :) .

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Why couldn't SHE be the contortionist on Ænima?!

[Kage]

Aparrently the lady with the attractive behind in the Mer De Noms booklet is paz


Ah, that's who I had hoped it was. That's quite a photo :naughty:

[SickoKid]

Paz was pretty hot back in the day. Does anyone know what she is doing now?

[TheSubtleArts]

Paz was pretty hot back in the day. Does anyone know what she is doing now?

some Paz fan website said she helped work with apc on the emotive album, besides that, i dont kno

[Joelbassman]

Paz was pretty hot back in the day. Does anyone know what she is doing now?
After leaving she went to zwan (who apparently suck) mainly because all the bass was writtrn by howerdel so she wanted a more productive role in a band...Zwan was formed...If she is still there I wouldn't know...And yes she is quite sexy

[TheSubtleArts]

Speaking of women and APC/Tool

Is Maynard's wife named Brena? Or is that just a common myth? Also, does he have a son named Devo? I've always been confused about this.


ive heard that before about his wifes name being Brena,, ive never heard anything about him having a son though

[omgwtfboogie]

His son is named Devo, as I recall.

[BlindWriting]

At one point, he was engaged to a woman named Jennifer Brena Ferguson, but that is no longer the case. He has a son named Devo who may or may not have been born in 1995.

[BlindWriting]

No idea.

[Joelbassman]

Speaking of women and APC/Tool

Is Maynard's wife named Brena? Or is that just a common myth? Also, does he have a son named Devo? I've always been confused about this.
I just thought he was using the title Brena as a metaphor...I doubt he would directly put his wife into a song...He's to complex for that...

[Sleeper]

Also, does he have a son named Devo? I've always been confused about this.
Suposingly the song "H" is about the birth of his son Devo.

[BlindWriting]

Suposingly the song "H" is about the birth of his son Devo.
I didn't know that. I'll have to examine the lyrics at some point... but not tonight. Too late.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

The song "H" is about his son?

Never would have guessed that. Like 99% of everyone else, I thought it was about heroin (before Tool said it wasn't). Interesting.

[Rounder]

I just thought he was using the title Brena as a metaphor...I doubt he would directly put his wife into a song...He's to complex for that...

My brother told me Brena was his wifes name. Hes usually a good source, he is a member of the Tool fan club, but i cant be sure.

[Rounder]

The song "H" is about his son?

Never would have guessed that. Like 99% of everyone else, I thought it was about heroin (before Tool said it wasn't). Interesting.

With the exception of a very few songs, Aenima's lryics are just too crazy to put my head around. Maynard said in an interview that to most people, the lryics must seem totally insane, and to me they do. He also says most of the interpretations floating around on the net are way off. I've heard Eulogy was about L Ron Hubbard, but I doubt it. To that song seems like one of the few that are easy to comprehend, but then again the rest of that album is non-sensical lol.

[James Howlett]

Is it nesecery to know what the lyrics of a song is about to love it. I never thought about Tool lyrics before I read so much about it around here. Still Tool is my favorite band if it was just music and Maynard was singing about his trouble with his wife or something.

[TheSubtleArts]

looking at the lyrics for H., i dont think its about his son being born, but then again i really dont know what its about

[Darkness]

I always thought "Parabol" had references to his son.. I read that somewhere. The line "So familiar and overwhelmingly warm"... but I donno

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Is it nesecery to know what the lyrics of a song is about to love it. I never thought about Tool lyrics before I read so much about it around here. Still Tool is my favorite band if it was just music and Maynard was singing about his trouble with his wife or something.

I find it necessary because I'd like to know what my favorite band is all about.

[clearvision]

It's a shame that you, and everyone else still has no clue...

'All you know about me is what I've sold you,'

[CreepingDeath~]

Ok, I have the album Lateralus which I like a lot. What album should I get after it?

[BlindWriting]

I would suggest going backwards, getting Aenima, then Undertow, and then their debut EP, Opiate. I wouldn't have gotten Lateralus first, but hey, it was your choice and you liked it.

[clearvision]

Aenima, you may even like it more, i know i do :)

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

It's a shame that you, and everyone else still has no clue...

'All you know about me is what I've sold you,'

Oh, clearvision, show me the way! :rolleyes:

Honestly, there is nothing wrong about finding out what the lyrics are about. But don't listen to me, because if you do then you're obviously a fanboy! :thumb:

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I would suggest going backwards, getting Aenima, then Undertow, and then their debut EP, Opiate. I wouldn't have gotten Lateralus first, but hey, it was your choice and you liked it.

Yeah, it depends on what kind of music you like in general. If you like heavier stuff, then start off with Opiate or Undertow. Otherwise, start of Ænima.

[CreepingDeath~]

I would suggest going backwards, getting Aenima, then Undertow, and then their debut EP, Opiate. I wouldn't have gotten Lateralus first, but hey, it was your choice and you liked it.
Aenima, you may even like it more, i know i do
Ok, I'l get Aenima. Thanks for the responces :thumb:

[clearvision]

Oh, clearvision, show me the way! :rolleyes:

Honestly, there is nothing wrong about finding out what the lyrics are about. But don't listen to me, because if you do then you're obviously a fanboy! :thumb:

*clears throat*

I don't really have a clue about what the songs mean, the only people that do are the band, and maybe some close freinds. You can't understand a song just by reading the lyrics. You can make judgements but you can't understand it. All you know about tool and their music is what they have let you know through publicity etc.

Please understand that I am not a fanboy, I completely respect other peoples opinions on stuff. So yeah.

[Kage]

It's fun to speculate about the meanings of songs, but we obviously have no idea of their validity. I still like to find my own personal meaning from them, so I can walk away with a greater message recieved.

[clearvision]

Yeah, thats what i meant to say,couldn't find the words...I'm slightly tired.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

*clears throat*

I don't really have a clue about what the songs mean, the only people that do are the band, and maybe some close freinds. You can't understand a song just by reading the lyrics. You can make judgements but you can't understand it. All you know about tool and their music is what they have let you know through publicity etc.

Please understand that I am not a fanboy, I completely respect other peoples opinions on stuff. So yeah.

Well, we know what a lot of songs are about, because of their clarity. But we also know what other songs mean through, like you say, what they say publicly. But I'll give the benefit of the doubt to Tool and say that they're being truthful. IMO, it would be dishonorable to mislead their fans.

And no, I don't think you're a fanboy. I was using sarcasm because I felt you were insinuating I was fanboy. Meh. Doesn't come over well on the internet I guess. :lol:

[clearvision]

try using /sarcasm :lol:

Tool love to mislead fans...rumours maynard is gay, a necrophiliac etc

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Yeah, that sh!t is funny. But I'm talking about being disingenuous about the lyrics. I think they should either give their true sentiments of the lyrics or not give them at all.

But hell, I still think H is about heroin or addiction.

[The JoZ]

Kabir already said that H was NOT about Heroin. So yeah.

:p

[BlindWriting]

Yeah, that sh!t is funny. But I'm talking about being disingenuous about the lyrics. I think they should either give their true sentiments of the lyrics or not give them at all.

But hell, I still think H is about heroin or addiction.
Here's some writing from that Toolshed FAQ:
G30. OK, they have a song called "H." What's it stand for?
The working / early title for this song was "Half Empty." The H likely stands for that (or "Half Full"). It may represent the old "half-empty is interchangeable with half-full" notion. Of course, it could also stand for anything else. It's a safe bet that it does not stand for Heroin.
G31. "H." is great, but what's it about?
When introducing this song live in 1996, Maynard touched on the idea of having an angel sitting on one shoulder and a devil sitting on the other. In at least one interpretation, the song is about being very close to someone who is tearing you apart, someone you can't bring yourself to leave, but someone who will destroy you because you can't leave them. It is the price you pay for being close to them; they aren't doing it on purpose: "considerately."

[clearvision]

second one seems somewhat appropriate...

'I am too connected to you to
Slip away, to fade away.
Days away I still feel you
Touching me, changing me,
And considerately killing me.'

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

LOL, thanks. But I know. I actually read the FAQ, just commentating that I picture a spike going into a guy's vein when I hear the song. That's all.

second one seems somewhat appropriate...

'I am too connected to you to
Slip away, to fade away.
Days away I still feel you
Touching me, changing me,
And considerately killing me.'

Exactly.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Undertow has great lyrics for addiction IMO. I like the on-going metaphor in it.

[Kage]

I love H's lyrics.

"And as the walls come down
and as I look in your eyes
my fear begins to fade
recalling all of the times I
have died and
will die. It's all right.
I don't mind."

That's one of my favorite lyrical sections ever. Especially given the vocal delivery and the instruments going on around it.

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

I love H's lyrics.

"And as the walls come down
and as I look in your eyes
my fear begins to fade
recalling all of the times I
have died and
will die. It's all right.
I don't mind."

That's one of my favorite lyrical sections ever. Especially given the vocal delivery and the instruments going on around it.
Thats my favorite part of any song, ever.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

From Undertow (my fav lyrics)

"gone under two times.
I've been struck dumb by a voice that
speaks from deep
beneath the cold black water.
It's twice as clear as heaven,
and twice as loud as reason.
It's deep and rich like silt on a riverbed
and just as undisturbing.
the currents mouth below me opens up around me.
suggests and beckons all while swallowing.
It surrounds and drowns and sweeps me away.

But I'm so comfortable...Too comfortable. "

[Maynard's Dick]

I was just listening to some King Crimson and I was thinking that you can't completely understand Tool unless you explore their influences at least a little bit. I read on Wictionary that they were also influenced by Rush (among others of course). I used to consider Tool a modern version of Rush before I realized that I was a bit off base. Regardless, what do you guys think about the band's peers/influences and how these are reflected in their music?

[TheSubtleArts]

i dont really know who thier influences were/are, but id like to look into it

[DARKanima]

i think the best tool lyrics are lateralus anyone with me?

[mudvayne420]

i like the lyrics to THird Eye especially

"shrouding all the ground around me is this holy crow above me
black as holes within a memory, and blue as our new second sun
I stick my hand into its shadow, to pull the pieces from the sand.
I do not recognize the vessel, but the eyes seem so familiar,
like phosphorensic desert buttons singing one familiar song."

like the way he chose to say it

[clearvision]

Hey guys i have eben working on the new first post for the past hour...this is all i have :upset: I can't find AJIG's FA anywhere. Or the link for Lateralus' ties with the Quabla (sp?). Search functions being a be0tch too. If you have anything you want to add just post or something...I dnno who is gonna have first post, I would think it would be wise to let SFK take it so if anyone wan't to leave the thread still has control.

Hey, Welcome to the new Tool thread. Please take a look at this first post before you contribute to the thread, there is alot of useful stuff compiled from pages upon pages of the old thread which can be found here. http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220438

FAQ

Please read/search this faq before posting. Most questions are answered here. Thanks to Kabir (the author) and toolshed (the host).
http://toolshed.down.net/faq/faq.html

Some of the regular questions posted - answered

When is the new album out?

We do not know at this present time, but believe me this will be one of the first places to hear about it. The only information on the album we have is from snippets of interviews with the band, and Blairs articles on Toolband (see useful links)


Which Album should i buy first?

The general COncensus with the order of buying the albums is Aenima-Lateralus-Undertow-Opiate-Salival . Aenima is one of the bands middle albums and shows most angles of the band.

Could you reccomend me some songs to download?

<Will wait and see AJIG's bits from his FA>

Useful links

Toolshed - This cool site has lots of articles, a great forum, lyrics straigth from maynard and the tool videos. Definateley worth checking out!
http://toolshed.down.net

Toolband - This is the most official tool site out there. It is run by Blair, a friend of the band. There is regular updates with all kind's of tool-related news.
http://www.toolband.com

Featured artist:Tool - This article, compiled by 'Adam jones is god' outlines tool for new members.
<insert link here> (search wouldn't find it for me)

Live Tool Videos - Various live tool videos here, just search tool and enjoy.
http://www.musictelevisionsucks.net/search.php

Tool interpretations book - A book compiled by some dude about what he thinks the songs mean. Worth a download + read. PDF format.
http://www.vanillacircus.net/

Fibbonaci sequence in Lateralus - A document explaining the way the band use the sequence in lateralus, the song.
http://www.bofe.org/overthinking.htm

Fibonnaci Tracklist in Lateralus - Very cool article on the alternate tracklisting of lateralus, sometimes reffered to as 'the holy grail'.
http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/question/insight7.html

Opinions?

[Otherside]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=258213

[clearvision]

I feel so inadequate :(

[munky_magik]

Just have a link to the FA in the first post.

[clearvision]

But if we did that we may aswell not have another thread...It just saves the same topics of conversation coming back round again and again.

[munky_magik]

In a thread dedicated specifically to one band there can only be so many topics of conversation anyway.
If you put all of the info from the FA in the first post it would be too long and most people would simply skip it and out ask questions covered by it, and if you leave it out then you're missing some vital info.
It's your call anyway, I'm just trying to help :)

[clearvision]

It's not my call it's the threads call. It's not so much stamping out the topics of conversation it's more stopping people just coming along and saying 'have you seen this?' and posting a link that most people have seen. This way we cut out those posts and make sure that everyone can look at the links without wading through a massive thread.
There is loads of stuff that was spoken about in the 50pages that i read tonight. The chemical links to lateralus. The ticks and leeched thing involving one of the bands dad. Enochian magic...was pretty cool sifting through it all again.

[munky_magik]

Sticking it all in the first post is a great idea, but I think the majority of people will just click on last post, and then post anyway :-/
Same as what happens with the Official recommendations thread. :-/*2

There's not much you can do about it though.

[Rounder]

I was just listening to some King Crimson and I was thinking that you can't completely understand Tool unless you explore their influences at least a little bit. I read on Wictionary that they were also influenced by Rush (among others of course). I used to consider Tool a modern version of Rush before I realized that I was a bit off base. Regardless, what do you guys think about the band's peers/influences and how these are reflected in their music?

I think its hard to deny the influence of Rush on Tool, for me personally. I hear more Rush than Crimson in Tool. Songs like Natural Science, Jacob's Ladder, Subdivions and Even Tom Sawyer have pre-Toolisms. Carey plays lots of fills reminiscent of Pert, and at least one 'borrowed' fill from The Patient. i still think of Tool as an evolution of Rush, But maybe because I like Rush more than Crimson, my ears are not very objective.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Hey guys i have eben working on the new first post for the past hour...this is all i have :upset: I can't find AJIG's FA anywhere. Or the link for Lateralus' ties with the Quabla (sp?). Search functions being a be0tch too. If you have anything you want to add just post or something...I dnno who is gonna have first post, I would think it would be wise to let SFK take it so if anyone wan't to leave the thread still has control.


Opinions?

Shorten it. It needs to be something that even the lamest new internet user will go for.

Listing like

Main Site - Link

FAQ Site - link

Featured Artist - Link

A variety of song interpretations and lyrical analysis

- labelled links.


This way, if someone reads it, they wil be less likely to skim it. And of courese, some big size 7 announcement on the status of the new album. Now we need SFK to give authorisation for it.

[DARKanima]

I heard somewhere that Maynard featured in a concert with the remaining members of Alice in Chains, has anyone else heard this or know about it?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/pop/212872_alice21q.html

There's a link to some mention of it. And yes, we know about it

[Otherside]

Does anyone still have that link that was posted here a long time ago, with Danny playing the last part of lateralus in studio?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/dannycarey.html

[Otherside]

Awesome, thanks.

[BlindWriting]

Yeah, that is a cool video, but I wish I could find more stuff of his online.

[Otherside]

Me too.

[Darkness]

The ending was my favorite part. That was sweet..

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

The man's just plain filthy.

[Maynard's Dick]

That was great, I've never seen footage of any of the guys in studio.

[Kage]

That was awesome when he hit the gong behind him

[TheSubtleArts]

thats was a sweet video. when he hit the gong and the ending was great

[Adam Jones is GOD]

More on his website. including the ridiculously audio and visually astounding 46&2 section

[Darkness]

Which website? dannycarey.org?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Yup. I think its education, lessons/cyberclinics then they are there somewhere. Not 56ker friendly though, and you need quicktime plugin

Not sure on their exact location, search around. Lots of cool stuff there though

[Darkness]

oh yeah cool thanks man.

[TheSubtleArts]

ive never really looked around in that site much, a lot of cool stuff in there though

[x the patient x6]

whoever said something about Maynards hair and its length

its always been a wig

except in the Undertow/Opiate era

[Flinflon]

I'm going to try and disect the song Stinkfist. Hopefully in my perusal of previous posts I'm correct in that I haven't seen a full attempt at explaining this.

Stinkfist is not just about inserting increasingly large digits into the rectal cavity. It is actually about de-sensitization throught the media.

Constant over stimulation numbs me
But I would not want you any other way.
Just not enough.
I need more.
Nothing seems to satisfy.

These lines from the song seem to me to be talking about television. Television is a constant bombardment on the sense, yet we are still bored by it. No matter what we see or what we watch it's not intense enough. Reality TV would be a prime example of that theory in motion. It's not enough to see actors go through hell so real people have to do it for our amusement.

Blend and balance pain and comfort deep within you
till you will not want me any other way.
But it's not enough.

IMO these lines are saying that if you watch these things in the comfort of your own room long enough (i.e. violence, s*x, bad language) you don't connect the true negative effects of these things. You "balance pain and comfort" to become desensitized to what you see.

Something kinda sad about,
the way that things have come to be.
Desensitized to everything.
What became of subtlety?

These lines are the key clinchers to my theory, and yet they get overlooked all the time by people who just say "Hehehe, he's talking about anal fisting, heheheh" If that's all there is to it, what do these lines say. These lines are pretty the centre from which I've developped my theory.

I hope that this is the kind of post that you have been looking for from another Tool fan who actually thinks when he listens.

[Kage]

That's not a bad theory. I haven't delved too much into Tool's meanings, but instead have let them shed their own light on the things that go on in the world, etc.

[Rounder]

I'm going to try and disect the song Stinkfist. Hopefully in my perusal of previous posts I'm correct in that I haven't seen a full attempt at explaining this.


Stinkfist was one of the few songs that i was able to immediately get a personal interpretation of. Not as specific as you, but just of desensitization in general, of the media, and our personal lives, there even seems to be drug references here, but in general desensitizing of ourselves.

[Riva]

Yes, I used Stinkfist as an example in an analytical piece I did in English. Rather than relate it to it's obvious meaning, I related it to densensitisation and disgust in general.

[Danny Carey is GOD]

Got to love the 46+2 drum solo on dannycarey.org , and the others to be honest. Shame there Isn't more around. The only decent quality vid I have found of his drumming is the drummerworld.com one.

[-Obscurity-]

Got to love the 46+2 drum solo on dannycarey.org , and the others to be honest. Shame there Isn't more around. The only decent quality vid I have found of his drumming is the drummerworld.com one.

That is an awesome video (from drummerworld.com), but I was kind of disappointed that they picked the simplest section of that to make it out of. The hidden gong mallet thing was a nice touch though.

[got tool?]

i love tool man... i've only been listening to them for a year but i am so obsessed...Anyway, i've got some questions:

1) in "the grudge", there's a line that goes "Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold". Transmutate isn't a word, is it? Shouldn't it be transmute?
2) Why is there like 2 min. of nothing at the end of Triad?
3) What's the point of Disgustipated?
4) WHEN THE HELL IS TOOL COMING OUT W/ ANOTHER CD??!!!

i hope somone can answer these before i lose my mind...

btw, whoever "Danny_carey_is_god" is, where'd you get that cool avatar?

[clearvision]

1) Transmutate is basically the same as mutate, in the context of the line it means make lead into gold.
2) Because the band wanted it that way
3) The band is the only people that know, and maybe the webmaster at toolband.
4) We do not know at the present time, we have strong rumours that it's june/july...but it's all guesswork really.

There is a link a few pages back for avatars. Please don't steal his though.

[crimson kitty]

i am new to this website so sorry if this question was answered and discussed a million times, but what's up with this new tool album? and please tell me they are going to go on tour. and what about APC, are they still going to make albums?

[misunderstood]

Welcome to the boards...Well, the new Tool album...who knows..i keep hearing many different things about it: june/july, Late fall, Early 2006...I really don't know...APC as of right now is on a hiatus. Every member in that band has different projects going on so there is no album expected anytime soon. However, i had read somewhere that there would infact be another album sometime in the far future

[crimson kitty]

so you dont know anything about a tool tour?

[misunderstood]

Nope..no Tool tour as of now

[Arrakakaka]

I just found out that Paz is in some group called Papa M.Just letting you guys know..

[G_Mac07]

Hey guys :wave:

I haven't been around for a while, did anything worth reading happen in my absence or are we all just still waiting for a release date? I need to catch myself back up on the Tool news.

[Darkness]

nope nothing happened.

[G_Mac07]

dammit :upset:

[Otherside]

dammit :upset:


GMAC!!!!

...


GMAC!!!!

[G_Mac07]

yes G Mac is Back... I'm killing time between lectures, reading old posts.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

btw, whoever "Danny_carey_is_god" is, where'd you get that cool avatar?

Me. :lol:

[Werny]

I checked out some Meshuggah...

Oh dear GOD!!! Probably the most repetitive metal band ever... they're awesome, but every song sounds exactly the same! Please Tool, DON'T DO THIS!!!

Other then my excitement of the new album lowering, I got a new copy of Salival with all of the tracks in full working order. Haven't listened yet though (too much new cds!).

[BlindWriting]

Where'd you find it? eBay?

[Rounder]

I checked out some Meshuggah...

Oh dear GOD!!! Probably the most repetitive metal band ever... they're awesome, but every song sounds exactly the same! Please Tool, DON'T DO THIS!!!


yea i saw them when they toured with Tool. There were some cool riffs, but it got real monotonous after about 10 minutes of one riff. No dynamics at all :confused:

[misunderstood]

I also got a chance to check them out when they were on the road with Tool...It was all right...Nothing to get all excited about...I don't know, maybe I was just so anxious for Tool to come out that I didn't really pay much attention to them...They did, however, get the crowd going. It got pretty wild so i had to actually get pulled out from the very front. It was getting harder and harder to breathe...It was all right though.

[Werny]

I got a burnt copy of Salival (I'm 15, I don't have the money to buy it!).

Meshuggah have kind of grown on me. "I" is a hardcore song/album. What is with Danny saying they're so technical? The drumming is pretty basic double bassing.

[opeth_oasis]

yes G Mac is Back... I'm killing time between lectures, reading old posts.

missed you dude, where you living now? I remember you said you moved

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I got a burnt copy of Salival (I'm 15, I don't have the money to buy it!).

Meshuggah have kind of grown on me. "I" is a hardcore song/album. What is with Danny saying they're so technical? The drumming is pretty basic double bassing.

Are you a drummer? If so, then ignoe me. But with Meshuggah, its all about maintaining some insane polyrythyms. It takes a lot of stamina to keep u drumming like that, and its one trait that Danny admits is his weakness, that he lacks stamina with double bassing. Thats why he admires (insert drummer name here)

[Danny Carey is GOD]

Me. :lol:
Haha. For some reason i thought you were banned, so i stole it!
/Removes sexcee avatar :(
If you hadn't posted i was gonna say I stole it from a banned user, im not a bad person!

[Kage]

Are you a drummer? If so, then ignoe me. But with Meshuggah, its all about maintaining some insane polyrythyms. It takes a lot of stamina to keep u drumming like that, and its one trait that Danny admits is his weakness, that he lacks stamina with double bassing. Thats why he admires (insert drummer name here)

Well, double bass is cool but i wouldn't go with Tool if he over-used it. I think he uses it tastefully, anyway.

[the2stranger]

I just found out that Paz is in some group called Papa M.Just letting you guys know..


she is in another band too: called: Zwan

haven't checked it out though

[Adam Jones is GOD]

she is in another band too: called: Zwan

haven't checked it out though

*was

Pity they only lasted an album, it was a nice Billy Corgan project. Though he still cant sing for ****

[the2stranger]

ow I didn't know that.

is it worth checking out?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Its some nice calming stuff. Like APC without the bite. And the title track is awesome

[the2stranger]

^^

alright thanks

do you know anything about her other project some mentioned on the page before?

I just found out that Paz is in some group called Papa M.Just letting you guys know..

[APartOfMeGetsSore]

Wow, there is a lot of pages on this... i new so don't blame me if this sounds stupid but i think tool are just out to have a good time, most of their songs are half taking the piss out of themselves! i mean die eier von satan is a cake recipe and message to harry manback sounds uber evil but really its just his roommate trashed the place...

and although tool are a better band i think, i have to say apc are the most romantic thing ever... the lyrics are astounding, particularly on thirteenth step, i know a lot of people who dont like it but the nurse who loved me is gorgeous... sorry if i broke all the rules but theres sooooooo many!

[Werny]

Are you a drummer? If so, then ignoe me. But with Meshuggah, its all about maintaining some insane polyrythyms. It takes a lot of stamina to keep u drumming like that, and its one trait that Danny admits is his weakness, that he lacks stamina with double bassing. Thats why he admires (insert drummer name here)

I can see what you mean. It does kinda seem inhuman to keep up that machine gun drumming.

(i'm not a drummer YET, i'm hopefully starting lessons soon though)

For all of their time changes, they're so repetitive. They're getting more mature now though, I has a lot of slow instrumental parts a la Ticks & Leeches. I think that song/EP has the most psycho scream in history.

So after listening to Meshuggah, I think the new album will be more driving and forcefu.

[BlindWriting]

Wow, there is a lot of pages on this... i new so don't blame me if this sounds stupid but i think tool are just out to have a good time, most of their songs are half taking the piss out of themselves! i mean die eier von satan is a cake recipe and message to harry manback sounds uber evil but really its just his roommate trashed the place...
Die Eier Von Satan is actually a hash cookie recipe.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

It means Satan's Balls.

[Darkness]

Yeah but its a cookie recipe.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Has anyone ever tried it?

[Arrakakaka]

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1486242/04072004/tool.jhtml
Explains something about Tool coming out with new stuff,I guess.

[got tool?]

If i tried that recipe, i'd probably end up like that guy in "gaping lotus experience" :lol:

[Kage]

It means Satan's Balls.

Actually, it means "The Eggs of Satan"

[Kage]

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1486242/04072004/tool.jhtml
Explains something about Tool coming out with new stuff,I guess.

That article was written about a year ago, don't scare me like that.

[Rounder]

It means Satan's Balls.

Actually, it means "The Eggs of Satan"


no need to correct anyone your both right.


The Eggs/Balls of Satan

Half a cup of powdered sugar
One quarter teaspoo salt
One knifetip Turkish hash
Half a pound butter
One teaspoon vanilla-sugar
Half a pound flour
150 g ground nuts
A little extra powdered sugar
... and no eggs

Place in a bowl
Add butter
Add the ground nuts and
Knead the dough


Form eyeball-size pieces from the dough
Roll in the powdered sugar
and say the Magic Words:
"Sim sala bim bamba sala do saladim"

Place on a greased baking pan and
Bake at 200 degrees for 15 minutes
...AND NO EGGS

Bake at 200 degrees for 15 minutes
...and no eggs.




there.

[G_Mac07]

Actually, it means "The Eggs of Satan"


Truth.

missed you dude, where you living now? I remember you said you moved

Yes, I've moved and I now live in Brisbane. Still getting settled though, and only come back to the forums between lectures. That should change once I get my laptop. :thumb:

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Actually, it means "The Eggs of Satan"

That's its literal meaning, yes... Come on, People. Think outside the box! The song is tongue and cheek.

[joemarsh]

it sounds like hitler talking to me :D

[Darkness]

Yeah you can't judge Tool off that and say that there just out for a good time.

[Kage]

^^^:confused: What are you on about?

How many people like the original version of The Nurse Who Loved Me better than APCs? I think both are great songs, it's too bad Failure isn't great other than that song.

[BlindWriting]

I've actually never heard Failure. That was Troy's band before joining APC, right?

[Kage]

Either before or after, I'm not sure. They're not a great band, at least to my tastes, but that one song is classic.

[misunderstood]

you know, i've never been able to find the original version of "the nurse who loved me"...where'd you find it?

[Kage]

Just on a P2P program...should be relatively easy to find. I can send it if you want, through AIM or something.

[Darkness]

Kage at the top of the page someone said that it seems like Tool is just out for a good time and used Die Eier Von Satan as an example.

[Kage]

Kage at the top of the page someone said that it seems like Tool is just out for a good time and used Die Eier Von Satan as an example.

Ah, well I'm not sure what Die Eier Von Satan is meant to say, but I wouldn't say Tool is just out for a good time. They have a major sense of humor though.

[jamesclelland]

i think it just means, not everything is what it seems.

kind of like LAMC is about how ****ed up the system is. just one of those wierd songs that you cant pin point but you can guess.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

That and Message To Harry Manback ARE tongue and cheek, IMO. And no, Tool isn't JUST out for a good time; but would you agree that sometimes they're tongue and cheek.

I mean, just look at the music and the lyrics to Message to Harry Manback.
"I hope you Americans die of cancer"-meanwhile there is a nice piano in the background.

[clearvision]

Yeah they are just saying, so what buddy, you put a message on our answerphone, we will ridicule you in songs .

[Kage]

Besides, it's a good contrast, and I think Aenima has a lot of contrast running through its songs.


EDIT: For example, at one part on the song Aenema, Maynard is singing calmy with frantic double-bass drumming ("Mom's gonna fix it all soon.
Mom's comin' round to put it back the way it ought to be") and then it launches into a guitar solo that starts out somewhat pleasant/calm and then transitions into more of a darker and frantic solo, which then leads into Maynard's whole "****..." spiel and the whole mood of the song builds more tension.

This is the kind of thing that Aenima is great for.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Just a question about Message to Harry Manback and Hooker with a Penis: Was HwaP a 'comeback' to Message to Harry Manback? If not, then what is the message there for anyways? :confused: Sometimes, Tool confuses me.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

They both portray anger.

MTHM is about some guy who got kicked out of a party. HwaP is about fans who think they sold out.

[clearvision]

MTHM is just a p!ss take IMO, saying to the man, look you thought you were the tough guy on the phone, now look at you. Heard by millions, basically ridiculed by tool.

HWAP is just saying that selling out is something bands have to do to be signed. Their record labels do have some impact on the music they produce and some people fail to realise that.

[BlindWriting]

Besides, it's a good contrast, and I think Aenima has a lot of contrast running through its songs.


EDIT: For example, at one part on the song Aenema, Maynard is singing calmy with frantic double-bass drumming ("Mom's gonna fix it all soon.
Mom's comin' round to put it back the way it ought to be") and then it launches into a guitar solo that starts out somewhat pleasant/calm and then transitions into more of a darker and frantic solo, which then leads into Maynard's whole "****..." spiel and the whole mood of the song builds more tension.

This is the kind of thing that Aenima is great for.
The "****..." spiel is probably my favorite moment on Aenima altogether.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

My favorite moment(s) on Ænima are found in 46 & 2, Eulogy, and Hooker with a penis.

46& 2-The polyrythmic breakdown is just amazing.
Eulogy-I think it's the part after the first verse where Jones plays one of the main riffs one time, and it just sounds real smooth.
HWaP- Same idea as with Eulogy, on it's Justin who plays a little mini bass 'solo' I guess you could call it. It's the part right before 'Don't **** us.'

:thumb: The last 2 are just short little filler segments, but man, do they ever work beautifully.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

My favorites

Third Eye: Jones' last riff
Eulogy: same as mushroom mofo
Stinkfist: transition from "To breathe, to feel, to know that you're alive" to "finger deeper within the borderline"

[BlindWriting]

Also, I've said it before and I'll say it again now, Maynard's vocal melody for the "I've missed you so much / came out to watch you play" segments in Third Eye are beautiful.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Also, I've said it before and I'll say it again now, Maynard's vocal melody for the "I've missed you so much / came out to watch you play" segments in Third Eye are beautiful.

Absolutely. :thumb:

[The JoZ]

Favorite Tool Moments:

Aenima: Outro, starts at "Try to bring it down again..."
Third Eye: Adam's second solo.
The Grudge: Last 31 seconds, drum solo outro
Schism: Outro
Parabola: Adam's solo
Lateralus: "With my feet up off the ground..." from there on out
Reflection: "So crucify the ego..." at, I dunno, the 8 minuteish mark...where Maynard stretches out his lines.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Favorite Tool Moments:

Third Eye: Adam's second solo.
The Grudge: Last 31 seconds, drum solo outro
Lateralus: "With my feet up off the ground..." from there on out

I forgot those. The second solo on Third Eye is just so foreboding and..badass.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

The Grudge: riff after "...and sink in deeper"
"...control it..."

Awesome. There are countless other ones, but I'm listening to the Grudge right now.

Also, speaking of Lateralus, the Parabol/Parabola video is awesome. So weird and trippy. But it all makes since. Those guys at the beginning of the video were awesome too. Adam's animation was brilliant.

[Kage]

My favorite Aenima moments:

Eulogy: The whole segment before and after "... when you hear your own Eulogy"
Jimmy: When the bass/drums crash in with the intro guitar riff
Third Eye: So many, including the "came out to watch you play" parts and the guitar solos
H: The part where Maynard sings "...I should have died, that's alright, I don't mind" and the band breaks out, etc.

[Otherside]

Aenima stars:

Pushit: The whole end segment, it's beatiful.

Stinkfist: "I'll...keep...digging..till I... feel... something" Great part.

Aenima: The "Some say your comet..." part is awesome so is the "I wanna see it give way" part.

Thid Eye: The whole song, definitly my favorite of Aenima.

I'm supprised no one but me has mentioned Pushit

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

To me, Pushit is probably the weakest song off of Ænima, minus the fillers. However, the live version of Push it is just amazing, so therefore, I don't feel bad criticizing the song. It is still an amazing song, but compared to their other material, it doesn't stand out for me.

[Otherside]

To me, Pushit is probably the weakest song off of Ænima, minus the fillers. However, the live version of Push it is just amazing, so therefore, I don't feel bad criticizing the song. It is still an amazing song, but compared to their other material, it doesn't stand out for me.

If I had to pick out "weak" tracks it would be H, 46&2 and Jimmy.


Those songs aren't really anything special to me, but still good songs.

[Kage]

I have to disagree with you on that. While I love every song on Aenima, I think Pushit is probably the weakest. 46&2 is a great song, but also a weaker point on the album.

As for H and Jimmy, those are some of my favorites.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

If I had to pick out "weak" tracks it would be H, 46&2 and Jimmy.


Those songs aren't really anything special to me, but still good songs.

At first, I really liked H, because of that riff with the chorus/delay effect on it, but other than that, I found nothing special about it. 46 and 2 has perhaps one of the coolest breakdowns ever, so it's one of my favorites, and Jimmy is also one of those okay songs for Tool's standards.

EDIT: My faves- Stinkfist, Eulogy, 46&2, Hooker with a Penis, Ænema, and Third Eye.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I love all of the songs (excluding the fillers) except for Jimmy.

Pu**** actually has a very nice crescendo IMO. H. is a very strong song lyrically, and 46 & 2 is the song I've noticed that has gotten a lot of people into Tool.

On Jimmy-- I just find the beginning not to be easy on the ears,

[Kage]

I don't understand all the Jimmy bashing. That's one of my favorites. Other than that, I agree with you, In Chains.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I don't understand all the Jimmy bashing. That's one of my favorites. Other than that, I agree with you, In Chains.

Don't get me wrong. I don't hate the song, in fact, it's pretty solid lyrically. I just think that, for Tool, it's mediocre. But I could see how you would like it, it has a lot of meaning.

[Kage]

Don't get me wrong. I don't hate the song, in fact, it's pretty solid lyrically. I just think that, for Tool, it's mediocre. But I could see how you would like it, it has a lot of meaning.

I do see why people think it's mediocre, but in that respect I think Pushit would be the weaker of the two, but to each his own. Something about the guitar/bass interaction along with the vocals and lyrics in that song just really does it for me.

EDIT: Also for me, it has this cool, dark atmosphere to it, which really boosts my liking of the song.

[drumtilidie]

That article was written about a year ago, don't scare me like that.


wouldn't it be better that it was written a year ago? wouldn't that mean they were a year closer to bringing new stuff out? I pray they do, they are my favourite band by 6 million miles. Most other bands bore me. Great thread! :thumb:

[Kage]

wouldn't it be better that it was written a year ago? wouldn't that mean they were a year closer to bringing new stuff out? I pray they do, they are my favourite band by 6 million miles. Most other bands bore me. Great thread! :thumb:

No, it's just that at first I thought it was recent, and when they talked about how they weren't even writing with Maynard yet and how the songs were in the early stage, I was scared for a moment. :p

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Yup; to each his own. And Pu**** definitely isn't one of their bests, I agree.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I don't understand all the Jimmy bashing. That's one of my favorites. Other than that, I agree with you, In Chains.
I have nothing against the song, it's the number eleven I have a problem with. :evil:

/randomosity

I decided to put on Jimmy and find out why I don't really like it. So far, I liked the intro riff, until the bass enters. Chancellor's tone sounds a little too much like Fieldy's bass does. :confused:

I just found the entire song kind of monotonous. I must say that the high point is when Justin comes in at about 2:45 with the overdrive. That's sweet. I beleive it's him. Either that, or Adam is using some kind of octave effect. Anyone for clarification on what's going on here?

About 30 seconds after this, I feel Adam goes into overkill mode with the main riff here. It's just a little too much here. Actually, I'm beginning to think it's the riff plus Danny's double bassage that is turning me off of this song.

[Otherside]

Pushit, Third Eye and Aenima are probably my favorite three overall from Aenima.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

No, it's just that at first I thought it was recent, and when they talked about how they weren't even writing with Maynard yet and how the songs were in the early stage, I was scared for a moment. :p

I was a little scared when Danny said that their next album may be influenced by a death metal band.
I'm hoping that it's a subtle influence.

[Otherside]

Whatever Tool does I'm fine with it. It's called progression.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

My favorites list is way too long and it changes all the time. But lately I've been listening to a lot of Stinkfist, Eulogy, and Sober.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Whatever Tool does I'm fine with it. It's called progression.

Uhh, sure. But that doesn't guarantee that it'll be better.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I was a little scared when Danny said that their next album may be influenced by a death metal band.
I'm hoping that it's a subtle influence.

:lol: Don't worry, we've been through this before. Danny did say that they would have some Meshuggah influence, but don't make it seem like Tool is going to become a death metal band. It could be any aspect of Meshuggah that Tool is being influenced by. It could very well be their heaviness, Tool could be taking some of Meshuggah's 'mathematica' cues, or maybe Adam is busting out with an 8 string, just as Meshuggah's 2 guitarists did on their album "Nothing."

It seems like I have said this exact same thing here. What do you think Kage? :lol:

[Kage]

I have nothing against the song, it's the number eleven I have a problem with. :evil:

/randomosity

I decided to put on Jimmy and find out why I don't really like it. So far, I liked the intro riff, until the bass enters. Chancellor's tone sounds a little too much like Fieldy's bass does. :confused:

I just found the entire song kind of monotonous. I must say that the high point is when Justin comes in at about 2:45 with the overdrive. That's sweet. I beleive it's him. Either that, or Adam is using some kind of octave effect. Anyone for clarification on what's going on here?

About 30 seconds after this, I feel Adam goes into overkill mode with the main riff here. It's just a little too much here. Actually, I'm beginning to think it's the riff plus Danny's double bassage that is turning me off of this song.

The song is sort of monotonous. The main thing I like about that song is the intro riff...it's really sweet.