Tool

[Anarchy_In_Mexico]

Actually Electric sheep did record a cd, i once saw it at amoeba but i don't remember why i didn't buy it, havent seen it since (and its still killing me that i didn't buy it everytime i remember about it) but there is such a thing as an Electric Sheep record

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000008958/qid%3D1109225798/sr%3D11-1/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/002-5690872-5158434

I found their album on Amazon. There wasn't a single review for it or anything.

[BlindWriting]

Ah, thanks for the clarification about the RATM stuff.

[pigonthewing82]

Yea I really missed Maynards voice on the RATM Live at the Ollympic Grand. Great album though. You know I hope no sh1tty band does a Tool cover, its so hard to replace his voice.

[conciousuniverse]

Haha.

[opeth_oasis]

Originally Posted by In Chains 36
I listened to the CD, the guy actually has a good voice (e.g. Still Day Beneath the Sun) but in songs such as Blackwater Park, he just screams and it really ruins great instrumental songs.

the growls are some of the best in metal, trust me most death metal growls are alot more difficult to listen to

[Danny Carey is GOD]

Yea I really missed Maynards voice on the RATM Live at the Ollympic Grand. Great album though. You know I hope no sh1tty band does a Tool cover, its so hard to replace his voice.
I got a video of maynard in that song.
"I got no patience now, so sick of complacence now, sick of, sick of, sick of, sick of, you....." Unfortunately, just after maynard bit, it cuts out for a few seconds into some wierd tv thing, then it goes back to the same gig, and plays bombtrack-without maynard :(

[Corganschild]

Eh well not to bring the mood down or change topic here but I feel kinda dumb reading all of these lyrical interpretations.. a lot of the things I'm reading I'm thinking, "Huh?" Right now I'd like to just concentrate on the music for myself anyway, not the lyrics because I'm usually wrong anyway.. thinking I'm smarter than I really am maybe, lol. Is it wrong to simply get into the music and ignore the words for awhile? lol

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

the growls are some of the best in metal, trust me most death metal growls are alot more difficult to listen to


You could definitely be right. I'm just not a fan of death metal, likely BECAUSE of the screaming.

Again though, I don't want people to think that I'm completely down on the band though. Their instruments are the pretty close to the apex of music. Amazing music.

[Dancin' Man]

I just listened to Blackwater Park.

It's too bad, such great music was wasted with garbage vocals.

No one trashes Mikael's growls. They are perfectly done. People need to get over harsh vocals because often times, they fit the music perfectly. Learn to appreciate them, it will help you get into a whole new area of music that is excellent.

[CreepingDeath~]

No one trashes Mikael's growls. They are perfectly done. People need to get over harsh vocals because often times, they fit the music perfectly. Learn to appreciate them, it will help you get into a whole new area of music that is excellent.

I don't like most growl singers, but Opeth is one band that the growls IMO suit the music very well, and I can listen to.

[The JoZ]

No one trashes Mikael's growls. They are perfectly done. People need to get over harsh vocals because often times, they fit the music perfectly. Learn to appreciate them, it will help you get into a whole new area of music that is excellent.

No, we don't need to get over them.

I don't like alot of bands because their vocals disgust me, which applies to alot of death and black metal bands. If it sounds like you're regurgitating rather than singing or screaming, it's not good, it's bad.

That being said, I do like alot more bands with harsher vocals than I used to, but that doesn't mean I like all of them.

[pigonthewing82]

Has anybody in here ever seen Tool live? I heard they own, please share the it wih us.

[TheSubtleArts]

yea they do, from what i hear,, ive never seen them either

[siva_chair]

No, we don't need to get over them.

I don't like alot of bands because their vocals disgust me, which applies to alot of death and black metal bands. If it sounds like you're regurgitating rather than singing or screaming, it's not good, it's bad.

That being said, I do like alot more bands with harsher vocals than I used to, but that doesn't mean I like all of them.


Couldn't have said it better myself. :thumb:

[Kage]

When they tour behind the new album, there's nothing that's stopping me from seeing them. Last time I got the chance, I missed it and I never forgave myself.

[clearvision]

Holy Sh!t..new mars volta album is tops...

They are a bti prog like tool...tool fans opinions?

the widow = genius

[misunderstood]

I like the Mars Volta alot actually. De-loused in the Comatorium is a great album...I'm really looking forward to Frances the Mute

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Holy Sh!t..new mars volta album is tops...

They are a bti prog like tool...tool fans opinions?

the widow = genius

:eek:

joo live in teh UK? Tis not out till monday.....so you did a baaaad thing :p

My first album taste of TMV starts next tuesday, stupid local music store charges too much for pieces of art, and cheap for pieces of crap...

[(LOKI)]

I just wanted to come hear to show off my nice new avatar:D

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I saw The Mars Volta live 2 years ago, supporting the Chili Peppers, and I was really disappointed.

Took me a while to listen to any of their songs, as when i heard their first 'single', the time sig seemed all out, and it was a bit weird to listen to. But after hearing other snippets and televators, I was convinced there was something there to get into.

And i missed the chance to see them at Rock City. Almost every band who i've seen there have blown me away, so maybe it was fate.....

[clearvision]

I really think they are brilliant. I actually have no income and find it difficult to buy cd's i find it annoying. If i had the money or time to get a job i would buy cd's regularly i just don't have the money atm. The UK version is out according to amazon...I got the Japanese version, i didn't touch the leak :)

Anyways i really like De-loused, Inertiac, circatraz and roulette dares are amazing songs.

The vocals are very strong the rest of the band fit around them. I think the guitar is very strange, very chromatic with lots of dischords. But it's cool.

[willis2441]

what kinda set does the drummer for tool play?

[clearvision]

Sonor

[Adam Jones is GOD]

/awaits SFK to return and give the run down on danny's kit

Oh, and i asked one of my female friends if she had an epilady. I still have the hand mark on my face...

[clearvision]

:confused: females aye? Another thing to add to the list of conversation no go's...shaving

[Adam Jones is GOD]

that list is getting pretty weighty now.

No shaving talk.
No PMT accusing
No musical taste questioning.
No cheesy chat ups
NO MENTION OF WEIGHT

[Darkness]

To the guys who thought they found Adam Jones/Tom Morello's Electric Sheep cd, their wrong. Me and my friend researched this a few months ago and found out that theres a band, who did release a cd, in Japan or something that goes by the the name Electric Sheep.

[Shadius]

Unrelated to what people are talking about. I was just listening to some older Tool stuff that I havn't put on for a while and I was just thinking how cool it is to see Maynard progress through his music. I'm sure you all know what I mean.

When we first hear Maynard, back in 92' or whatever his songs are full of anger and dark feelings and seem to be a way for him to vent and take chunks out of organised religion. Undertow had the same dark feel to it, of venting off emotions of the past, catharsis if you will. Then as he progresses to understanding his emotions and releasing he choses to grow rather than to hold onto them, in Ænima and around that time, even reflected in his music by having more softer parts. With Lateralus being the latest, and he seems much more calculating and more devoid of emotion, and more spiritual, as well as being more analytical. Which was very interesting. Which makes me wonder what direction he's going to take with the next album in regards to feel and style?

In APC he's obviously taken a direct opposite approach to Lateralus, and gone with feeling and emotion over cold analysing. The emotions seeming more diverse than his Tool work though (possibly).

Personally, I think he'll keep his insightful analysing, yet go back to his more emotional roots, realising that in order to go to the next level, so to speak, you have to "realise" that you are only human. I'm personally hoping for more melody and intensity from him, as well as his usual awesome rhythm. Thoughts?

[Neurotoxin]

I love The Mars Volta. De-loused was simply an amazing album. As for Frances the Mute, my opinion has yet to solidify.

[Darkness]

I just wanted to come hear to show off my nice new avatar:D

very pretty :thumb:

[i Fling Pooh]

ok i have some questions. Anyone know about the new album and when it comes out? i heard about 5 months ago it was supposed to come out in early january -_- i was stoked until early january came and i hadn't heard anything new about their new album. i have heard a bit about it on tool forums and such but nothing on dates or eastimated times or themes of it so anyone know?

[Darkness]

Check out Toolband.com theres some stuff there. And we all seem to believe it will come out July or spring.

[TheSubtleArts]

as soon as someone knows for sure, it will be all over the place in here

[LunaticCalm]

new album is gunna be some slick stuff.

going back to what Shadius said I completely agree.

I did the same thing after reading that post and Opiate is loaded with hatred and "f*** you all" type of music. Undertow lightens up just a little bit, as demonstrated in Sober, even though Disgustipated annoys me to know end. Aenema is my favorite, Eulogy has got to be one of their best songs. Then we get to Lateralus. The only really known Tool cd. Schism is a little over-rated in my opinion. I do say though it is an extremely good song, a little tough on bass but im also a beginner. Reflection is becoming my favorite song of all time. Its the fact that Maynard can change so dramatically from say Opiate - Hush to something so open minded and outgoing. I think Reflection has to do with Maynard changing his attitude towards life and moving forward from Opiate and Undertow.

Just my thought :D

[Corganschild]

All I know is that they better play The Grudge, I know I'm probably overrating it, but that song is like sex.

[jensmatty]

Sonor

Sonor, Mapex, Paiste, and a couple of all-electronic kits.

[Merkaba]

Has anybody in here ever seen Tool live? I heard they own, please share the it wih us.

Twice. And APC twice.

Words cant describe it.

[Danny Carey is GOD]

what kinda set does the drummer for tool play?
Sonor Designer Series(bubinga wood)
8x14 snare(bronze)
8x8 tom
10x10 tom
16x14 tom
18x16 floor tom
18x24 bass drum(2)

Cymbals: Paiste
14" Sound Edge Dry crisp hi-hats
6" signature bell over 8" signature bell
10" signature splash
24" 2002 China
18" signature Full crash
#3 cup chime over #1 cup chime
18" signature power crash
12" signature Micro-hats
22" signature Dry Heavy ride
22" signature Thin china
20" signature Power crash

Electronics:Simmons SDX, Korg, Roland MC-505, Oberheim TVS

Pedals: Simmons hi-hat
Korg control pedal
Simmons bass drum

Hardware: Sonor stands, Sonot, Axis, or Pro-mark hi-hat stand, Axis or Pearl bass drum pedals with Sonor or Pearl beaters(loose spring tension,but with long throw)

Heads: Evans Power Center on snare batter(medium-high tuning, no muffling) G2's on tom batters with G1's underneath(medium tuning with bottom head tuned higher than top) EQ3 bass drum batter and EQ3 Resonant on front(meduim tuning, with EQ Pad touching front and back heads)

Sticks: Trueline Danny Carey model(wood tip)

[estel]

I think the changes in Tool's emotion is pretty obvious
Opiate - anger, cynicism. Most obvious in Hush and Jerk-Off.

Undertow - still angry, but slightly more mature. More expressive than just 'fark you'

Ænima - More reflective. Seems to think about the problems - Stinkfist, Jimmy, Pushit are the most obvious examples where the source of problem is actually discussed. Some slightly more deep tracks - Third Eye and 46 and 2 being the more obivously philosophical tracks.

Lateralus - a very existential type album. The Grudge and Ticks and Leeches have some of their old anger, but The Grudge expresses it in a much more meaningful way, incorporating some deeper themes. Parabol/Parabola, Lateralus and Disposition/Reflection/Triad are all quite deep, dealing with experience, thoughtfulness and reflection in obvious ways. The cynicism is less overbearing, and the music expresses a more philosophical or hopeful outlook than the earlier albums.

Who knows where the new album will lead?

[Werny]

-------------------------

Werny,

It's good to hear from you again! I'm glad you are well :) and enjoying Salival.



I am enjoying it! Pu**** is amazing, Aloke is pure genius.

I think the next album will be experimental. On DannyCarey.Org he says they're developing new drums for the next album *gets a tingle down spine* and one toolband.com it tells us that they are working to meet their deadline so much that they worked Valentines Day! It can't be THAT far away!!!

Have HOPE!

IT WILL BE THE BEST ALBUM OF ALL TIME!

[Adam Jones is GOD]

That drum development notice has been there for a long time. I think he's probably already encorportated it in the past. But no suprise if he does spring some new sort of technology

[Danny Carey is GOD]

That drum development notice has been there for a long time. I think he's probably already encorportated it in the past. But no suprise if he does spring some new sort of technology
Yes, that has been on the site forever. I would be suprised if he changes his kit very much, but maybe there will be a small change. His drums are amazing enough allready.

I don't know how many people check the Tool website these days to read through Blair Blakes incredible experiments with writing, but, this got posted recently, and it says what the message is in "No Quarter" on Salival. Can you work it out?

22 Feb 05

MESSAGE IN "NO QUARTER" ON TOOL'S SALIVAL
"Dear Blair, I I'll try not to babble or run on, I realize you have a lot of these to read, so here goes. I have discovered a subliminal message in the song No Quarter on the Salival CD/DVD, I have had several friends listen to it, so I know I'm not just hearing things, or wishing I were. However, we all share one thing in common: none of us can discern what it is that Maynard is saying. I was wondering if you would do me a considerable kindness and either a. Tell me what it says, or b. tell me where I can find out and how."

THE REPLY:

Just in case there's somebody living in a cave who doesn't know about this, lots of people have attempted to isolate the so-called subliminal message (whispered by MJK while in the recording studio and not in his well-stocked wine celler) via high tech audio equipment, and some have posted their findings on the internet. Although I've yet to read a single posting that contains the correct answer, there's always a chance that someone has discerned the actual message, and that I've missed his/her posting. However, since I have received hundreds of emails over the years asking about the message, I am happy to address this issue. First of all, my advice to anyone interested or obsessing over this matter is that I wouldn't waste too much time trying to figure it out. That's because the message is NOW totally irrelevant. Secondly, in my reply here, I have given the answer as to what is being said, albeit somewhat cryptically - but it's all right here in these very words. But, like I said, it's now irrelevant, so let's move on, shall we.

[clearvision]

And i thought i over-complicated things...:confused:

[Ænigma]

They saw that the new album is supposed to come out sometime in April-July so I hope it comes out really soon.

[Ænigma]

Twice. And APC twice.

Words cant describe it.

Ive seen them once in cincinatti ( ohio ). They are very awesome espically the lights. Maynard does these freaky movement things other then that the vibe is awesome.

[scottroberts]

I don't have the time to read all the page's, so I'm not sure if anyone has metioned this already, but I think that the band is anti religious because of alot of their songs.
For example, in the song eulogy, maynard's lyrics read,

Get off your ****ing cross,
we need the ****ing space
to nail the next fool martyr

(A martyr is someone who dies for what they strongly believe in, for people who don't know) I think this song IS about jesus, he calls jesus a fool so that is one reason why I think tool are anti religious.
There are alot more songs with anti religious. If you have watched the parabola video you would notice that at the end that the weird dude (i dont really understand any of all there videos) gets a third eye, which is a sign as if to say he doesnt need god to help him see the truth. In the song third eye, at the end it states:

''Prying open my thrid eye"

over and over. I do really like their songs, but their lyrics im a bit touchy on...(because i am a christian)
Maynard is very smart I must admit.
All in all, tool is a very good band, but their videos take some getting use to.

[James Howlett]

I dont think there anti christian but more anti thinking like the rest. They probably see religion (all orginized religion) as a form of control. To keep us from thinking too much for our selves.

Anyone know the band Dead Soul Tribe? They also make some kind of prog metal/rock music.

[LunaticCalm]

I doubt tools anti-religious themes. Eulogy is a bit blunt, but besides the...

we need the f**cking space
to nail the next fool martyr!

it is a truthful song, example are the lyrics directly after...

to ascend you must die
you must be crucified
for our sins and our lies
goodbye!

I know this may sound corny, but that is true and what happened. And Third Eye isnt just about being opened to god (the beginning is a bit...different lol) I think it resembles Reflection, being awakened to the outside world and not just living in a bubble. Someone had to "pry open" his eyes to see the truth.

[Syncratic]

I think it resembles Reflection, being awakened to the outside world and not just living in a bubble. Someone had to "pry open" his eyes to see the truth.

I was thinking the exact same thing. It's almost a cry of rebellion (it isn't, but almost) at the end of Third Eye. It's like someone has been hiding the truth from him and he needs to pry open his extra eye to see the truth.

[Syncratic]

I think I see where Maynard is coming from on the religous front. He's not opposed to religion, he's just opposed to those who use it to profit (televangelists, for one). I share the same feelings, these people are just exploiting others to make a buck.

[siva_chair]

Tool isn't really anti-religious, they just are against people being blind and not thinking. I don't think they have anything directly against Christianity or anything like that. I believe they are just against people following any belief system without first questioning its merits and following blindly.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

They're more against the hypocrisies of organized religion. Against those who manipulate and take advantage of (siva chair said it above) people blindly following religion. Maynard is completely against L Ron Hubbard and Tammy Faye, those who take control of those who really believe in the spiritual.
Meh, is Tammy Faye really that bad?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Its the 'pinch of salt' factor you need to remember. its insane the amount of stuff that is merely them just having a private joke

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I think the changes in Tool's emotion is pretty obvious
Opiate - anger, cynicism. Most obvious in Hush and Jerk-Off.

Undertow - still angry, but slightly more mature. More expressive than just 'fark you'

Ænima - More reflective. Seems to think about the problems - Stinkfist, Jimmy, Pushit are the most obvious examples where the source of problem is actually discussed. Some slightly more deep tracks - Third Eye and 46 and 2 being the more obivously philosophical tracks.

Lateralus - a very existential type album. The Grudge and Ticks and Leeches have some of their old anger, but The Grudge expresses it in a much more meaningful way, incorporating some deeper themes. Parabol/Parabola, Lateralus and Disposition/Reflection/Triad are all quite deep, dealing with experience, thoughtfulness and reflection in obvious ways. The cynicism is less overbearing, and the music expresses a more philosophical or hopeful outlook than the earlier albums.

Who knows where the new album will lead?

Rep + (123 and articulated well)

I'm definitely excited. Ænima has my favorite songs but Lateralus is more impressive as an album. Who knows, maybe they can combine the two, for style, in the next album?

[Epigoth]

The first Opeth songs I listened to were The Funeral Portrait and Blackwater Park. I've never been a fan of death metal vocals, but this was definitely the right band to get me accustomed to that sort of sound. It really threw me off, hearing that amazing progressive metal music paired with death-style vocals, but I was slowly but surely growing to apprecaite them. Once you get passed that, and really let it grow on you, you'll love Opeth. I think they are an amazing band, and I've noticed quite a few fellow Tool fans also taking interest in them.
hey man, just a reccomendation to further your opeth listening: The Drapery Falls. this is some gooooooooooood stuff, and the vocals are alll up and down the scale. just thought you'd like this one if you liked the funeral portrait.

"Just remember I will always love you, even as I tear your ****ing throat away." :evil:

[Darkness]

The Drapery Falls is probably my current favorite song by Opeth. Its great.

[jamesclelland]

They're more against the hypocrisies of organized religion. Against those who manipulate and take advantage of (siva chair said it above) people blindly following religion. Maynard is completely against L Ron Hubbard and Tammy Faye, those who take control of those who really believe in the spiritual.
Meh, is Tammy Faye really that bad?

thats the best way i've seen it put. the jesus and cross references are just metaphors. people don't seem to understand this. Maynard uses metaphors. stinkfist isn't about fisting it's about become numb to something. the only song i've taken seriously is hush. so you people who take everything seriously from tool, get your head straight read between the lines, but don't read every pixel.

[Magicaltroll]

The Drapery Falls is probably my current favorite song by Opeth. Its great.
Mine would have to be Deliverance, such a great song...
But i was going to say something to the anti religion thing, but theres not alot i have to say thats already been said... so yeah.

[physt]

In the liner notes of Undertow tool thanks Bill Hicks.

Then Aenema came out after Bill Hicks' death. If you actually go through the lyrics of Aenima and Lateralus, most of the ideas have roots with Hicks. Eulogy is said to have been about him, "He was so loud, he sure could yell". I don't remember any stories of Jesus yelling. Go through the song, and compare it to Bill Hicks life and death. It definitely reminds me of him.

Aenima, the song uses the Arizona Bay metophor(Hicks most popular album title). Throughout this song he is repeating the thoughts of Hicks. Third Eye again has origins with Hicks. He commonly mentioned Squeejying(SP) his third eye. He was talking about taking shrooms, and seeing the 'truth' about the world(media, politics, others' views on drugs, and other issues). This makes me thing that Third Eye is more about viewing the world from the outside, and seeing how f.ucked up things really are. Coincidentally, after he 'Prys open his third eye' they see the light with 'Lateralus'.

Lateralus has a lot Hicks influence as well. He would always talk about how life is merely a precursor to the spiritual life. "Life is but a dream" . If you listen to his releases you can hear more quotes about this type of stuff. I don't remember any direct quotes off the top of my head.

Parabola and Lateralus come from the Bill Hicks influence I think. Not to say they're copying, but I think they got a lot of their influence from outside sources. They take these ideas and give them a hint of lyrical mastery, and create really inspirational songs. IMO, Bill Hicks is an inspiration too.. He just wasn't as eloquant. :)

If any of you haven't heard hicks I definitely recommond buying some.. Or DLing it.. You won't be let down if you like good comedy and Tool..

[EliteX7]

I am enjoying it! Pu**** is amazing, Aloke is pure genius.

I think the next album will be experimental. On DannyCarey.Org he says they're developing new drums for the next album *gets a tingle down spine* and one toolband.com it tells us that they are working to meet their deadline so much that they worked Valentines Day! It can't be THAT far away!!!

Have HOPE!

IT WILL BE THE BEST ALBUM OF ALL TIME!

That whole new drums thing has been there for at least a year, I don't know if he already has them or what. :confused:

[The JoZ]

I think it's obvious that Tool are influenced by/pay homage to Hicks in some of their songs, but honestly, stuff like Eulogy or Aenima can be interpreted in so many ways it really isn't funny.

To say that such-and-such Tool song is talking EXACTLY about a certain entity is really erroneous, because Tool songs can be applied to many different people or situations.

[Arrakakaka]

To say that such-and-such Tool song is talking EXACTLY about a certain entity is really erroneous, because Tool songs can be applied to many different people or situations.
Yeah,it kind-of depends on the person listening to the CD too.It's the listeners interpritation.

[physt]

Well, I wasn't saying that it is just a rippoff and twist of bill hicks. I was saying it's obvious that Bill Hicks has touched Maynards life in some way, and maybe even shaped his beliefs(a little or a lot, who knows). If you want to find out more about Maynard maybe you needent look further than Bill Hicks.

[jensmatty]

Mine would have to be Deliverance, such a great song...

How awsome is the last few minutes? :D so simple yet so... awsome :p

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

I dont think there anti christian but more anti thinking like the rest. They probably see religion (all orginized religion) as a form of control. To keep us from thinking too much for our selves.

Anyone know the band Dead Soul Tribe? They also make some kind of prog metal/rock music.
Real good band, aren't there only two people in it?

[Darkness]

Man hush is great..anyone agree?

[opeth_oasis]

Its the 'pinch of salt' factor you need to remember. its insane the amount of stuff that is merely them just having a private joke

yeah everyone takes it way too seriously, i mean its not always about what your thinking of. Iron Maiden's song the number of the beast was about a dream Steve Harris had. Guys dont worry too much about lyrics, they are just words.

[physt]

I don't think anybody is worried.. It's just interesting to try to get into Maynards mind I guess :)

[opeth_oasis]

ok no worries:thumb:

[ÆnemÆ]

WOW i just listened to the Lateralus cd in the alternate order

its mind blowing its almost as if the whole cd is a long story....
you guys gotta try this

if you want an mp3 of it, i made one with cool edit and made the endings flow alot better

AIM: Luke is c000l

the "0"s are zeros

[conciousuniverse]

"Got a kick for a dog
Beggin' for Love
I gotta have my suffering
So that I can have my cross
I know a cat named Easter
He says will you ever learn
You're just an empty cage girl
If you kill the bird
I've been looking for a savior in these dirty streets
looking for a savior beneath these dirty sheets
I've been raising up my hands
Drive another nail in
Got enough guilt to start
my own religion
Please be
Save me
I cry"

TOOL: A Book of Interpretations (http://www.vanillacircus.net/book/tool_book.pdf)

Lateralus & The Qabala (http://www.toolpantheon.com/lateralus_meanings.htm)

Parsival's Lament (http://www.jonathonart.com/que-l.html)

[Dude3]

Hey guys, what is the song order that you listen to Lateralus with that tells a story? Just list the tracks in that order.

[conciousuniverse]

parabol
parabola
schism
ticks & leeches
mantra
lateralus
faaip de oaid
grudge
triad
eon blue apocolypse
reflection
patient
disposition

[(LOKI)]

story?

[opeth_oasis]

saturn ascends

[conciousuniverse]

the arrival of planet X...

[Werny]

the arrival of planet X...

Say again?

Anyway, the alternate order is truly magic. The Patient fits in SO MUCH BETTER, and I'm amazed at how Schism goes into Ticks & Leeches!

Truly the greatest album ever *until the new one.

[James Howlett]

Real good band, aren't there only two people in it?


Yeah on guy does vocals and guitars and one dude on drums.

[conciousuniverse]

i second that, werny

Nibiru: Planet X (http://www.crystalinks.com/nibiru.html)


Scroll down, she has compiled a wonderful collection of informative links:
Crystalinks (http://www.crystalinks.com/index.html)

[Merkaba]

^ Nephilim,Anunakim/n

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

saturn ascends
comes 'round again

Any thoughts on what Tool's new album will be like? If it follows the trend then it will be like Lateralus. Tool really changed their sound from Undertow/Opiate to Lateralus. Ænima was like a transition of their sound, but it was my favorite.

[Darkness]

The whole saturn ascends thing has to do with the fact that saturn is in a particular spot in the solar system when your born then it returns to that position again when your about 28-30... same time when you experience your "mid life crisis" I read this in an interview with Maynard about half a year ago.. I'll see if I can find it.

[physt]

Danny Carey said the new album would sound like a mix between Lateralus and Undertow, but this was before maynard came back.. I think they are going to surprise us again.. No 2 Tool albums really sound anything alike.. If you've never heard tool and were made to listen to 1 song from each album you would probably think they're from 5 different bands .. Hopefully they evolve as much as they did last time..

[Kage]

None of this "this album sounds like a mix between this and that" crap. People say that every new album that comes out for any band and it never is true. Not to mention the fact that I would be pissed if it sounded like a mix between Undertow and Lateralus, seeing as how Tool evolves their sound with each album, but if they were to do that then it wouldn't be an evolution at all.

[Shadius]

-Heavier and generally more complex music than Lateralus.
-More emotional (possibly more melodic, given his work in APC, although it could be the opposite if he makes the effort to keep both projects totally seperate) vocals from Maynard.

That's my two educated predictions.

[physt]

I was just saying what Danny Carey said.. This could just mean heavier than Lateralus but with the same complexity..

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I was just saying what Danny Carey said.. This could just mean heavier than Lateralus but with the same complexity..

That would be prime.. :thumb:

[physt]

That would be prime.. :thumb:

I agree.. Also, there was a post on TDN about the news update on Toolband.com and blair said this about the music..."with writing/arranging sessions going well into what Milton called “the palpable obscure.”

So somebody on TDN googled that and got this.. from the book by milton..

To heal the scar of these corrosive fires,
Shall breathe her balm. But, first, whom shall we send
In search of this new World? whom shall we find
Sufficient? who shall tempt with wandering feet
The dark, unbottomed, infinite Abyss,
And through the palpable obscure find out
His uncouth way, or spread his airy flight...."

I think lyrically, this would be a great place to go for tool.. And it definitely sounds, musically, like a mix between undertow and lateralus .. heh.. Not that I can here it :)..

[Dude3]

I have a 2 questions about Planet X(Or Niburu). First, Is the Planet an actual planet in space, or is it just made up? Second, If it is an actual Planet, then why isn't it cosidered a planet in our solar system?

[jamesclelland]

i believe it's a planet past pluto (which is arguably a planet). i heard one story on it years ago and never any else since, so my info may be off.

[physt]

Supposedly and ancient culture(the sumerians, I believe) knew of this 'extra planet' and scientists have no logical answer for that.. So some people think that Ananaki(sp?) came from planet X and interbreeded with humans. Which, in there mind, would explain a big jump in evolution and also would explain how they knew of this planet so long ago.. And I guess all of the presidents and prime ministers of certain countries are Ananaki and they run the world still to this day..

I've only heard about this on TV so it may be off but that's the general jist of the story I believe..

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Carey has also stated that Tool would be taking a huge influence from the math metal band Meshuggah. Danny Carey + influences from Tomas Haake= greatest drummer ever, says I.

[Kage]

Eh, I could live without Tool getting any heavier than Lateralus. Hell, Lateralus is pretty heavy, in my opinion.

I know they were influenced by Meshuggah this time and everything, but I thought they grew away from the whole "We're gonna be heavy and kick your ***!" thing.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Carey's statement could be taken a number of different ways. I'm sure you will hear some Meshuggah on the new album, but it depends on what elements they are taking cues from them. Tool could be using more mathematical elements, just like Meshuggah, or maybe Jones picked up a downtuned 8 string and is using it on a few songs. I really doubt they will develop a more brutal sound. The heaviness is not what impresses me about Meshuggah. It's their originality.

[jamesclelland]

meshuggah doesn't mean heavy, i can mean he will adapt part of the drummers style and make it toolised. like he said above they might just take some of the math aspect out.

[Kage]

To my knowledge Carey only said something about Meshuggah in one interview. If I'm incorrect on this, please let me know. I think people are blowing it out of proportion.

[genocide_monk]

hmmm, Danny being influnced by Meshuggah....interesting

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Interesting, yes; predictable, yes. Tool and Meshuggah have toured together multiple times. Man, that would be a crowning concert. :amaze:

I've only read it once, Kage, so it very well could be that we(I) are getting too hyped up about this.

[Kage]

Yeah, it's just that people saw him mention how Meshuggah influenced them in one interview and then it's all over the place, "This album is gonna be HEAVIER" or "More complex like MESHUGGAH DRUMMING EXTREME"

Maybe they saw Meshuggah playing and then got really excited to go write their own material. Just because they were influenced doesn't mean their sound is going to morph into this Meshugga-offspring.

And Kombucha mushroom, this isn't directed toward you, there've been many people in hear that I'm talking about.

[genocide_monk]

whoa, just because they are influnenced by Meshuggah, i don't think it means they will become a Meshuggah clone....

[physt]

I don't think anybody thinks, or was insinuating that..

[genocide_monk]

i didn't say they did....

[Kage]

Physt, you haven't been here long enough. Awhile back, that's what people were saying. It just got to me. Like I said, I was not talking to Kombucha.

And Genocide monk, that's exactly what I was saying.

[Shadius]

Yeah, it's just that people saw him mention how Meshuggah influenced them in one interview and then it's all over the place, "This album is gonna be HEAVIER" or "More complex like MESHUGGAH DRUMMING EXTREME"

"Carey described the material as heavier and more intense than the group's last disc, 2001's Lateralus."

"There seems to be a little more brute force going on in the music, rather than being lighter and more intricate like some of the stuff on the last record," Carey said. "It still has quirky time changes, but so far we've been working on really heavy stuff."

"In part, the aggressive vibe of the material has been a reaction to Tool's tours with thunderously intricate bands like Fantômas and Swedish death-prog band Meshuggah."

Not to mention, that guy who described one of Tools new songs said that it was more complex and longer than anything he'd heard from them before.

There's also talk about a Lateralus live DVD.

[Kage]

"Carey described the material as heavier and more intense than the group's last disc, 2001's Lateralus."

"There seems to be a little more brute force going on in the music, rather than being lighter and more intricate like some of the stuff on the last record," Carey said. "It still has quirky time changes, but so far we've been working on really heavy stuff."

"In part, the aggressive vibe of the material has been a reaction to Tool's tours with thunderously intricate bands like Fantômas and Swedish death-prog band Meshuggah."

Not to mention, that guy who described one of Tools new songs said that it was more complex and longer than anything he'd heard from them before.

There's also talk about a Lateralus live DVD.


Thanks for that. I guess I was wrong in some areas. My point was that, like it said in the article, the agressive vibe has been "in part" because of Meshuggah.

More complex and longer, that sounds interesting.

[BlindWriting]

I would love a Lateralus DVD. Maybe even with all the videos. I saw the Parabol/Parabola video not too long ago, and it ruled. Awesome stuff.

[Shadius]

I'm sure we won't be disappointed. Lets face it, they've gone in different directions and not lost us yet, no matter how hard they might try. (:

[BlindWriting]

More complex and longer, that sounds interesting.
That was Blair describing the long-talked about "L.K." He put a lot of emphasis on the approximate 15-minute length, digital drums that Danny was using for parts of it, and Justin's bassline, which he described as being so fast and complex that it seemed "inhuman".

Sounds good to me. :chug:

[TheSubtleArts]

That sounds great, i wanted to hear some heavier stuff from them,, long and complex sounds interesting too

[Magicaltroll]

Carey's statement could be taken a number of different ways. I'm sure you will hear some Meshuggah on the new album, but it depends on what elements they are taking cues from them. Tool could be using more mathematical elements, just like Meshuggah, or maybe Jones picked up a downtuned 8 string and is using it on a few songs. I really doubt they will develop a more brutal sound. The heaviness is not what impresses me about Meshuggah. It's their originality.
I hope they dont become like Meshuggah, their songs are insane! they have the weirdest rythyms....

[Epigoth]

i agree... i'm waiting for that album.
if i find ANYTHING on the new album, i shall post.

as for what i have heard, the golden bowl of jellybellys has been reported as low, sooo, i'm assuming it wont be too far away.

if anything else comes up, i shall post.

"Just remember I'll always love you, as i throw your ****ing throat away."
:evil:

[physt]

Ya.. I think the current best guess is next march? Or in the fall... for a fall/winter tour.. No real numbers though.. People just guess based on the fact that the band was working on it in studio before Maynard came back for a while.. And recently Blair said they finished 1 complete song.. "L.K" .. So that was about a month.. It would probably be a few months before it is completely finished at that rate.. Then it would take some shelf time for advertising purposes, Mastering etc.. I would guess late summer.. But again.. Nombody knows..

[Epigoth]

That was Blair describing the long-talked about "L.K." He put a lot of emphasis on the approximate 15-minute length, digital drums that Danny was using for parts of it, and Justin's bassline, which he described as being so fast and complex that it seemed "inhuman".

Sounds good to me. :chug:

amen to that. :chug:

i can only imagine the magic that Tool can come up with now.

[Ænigma]

I really wish they have some sort of date at least to give to us. Does ANYONE have ANY idea when thier new album comes out? I've looked at various Tool sites, so I'm guessing no one really knows. But I'm sure a lot of people would like to know when it's coming out.

Its supposed to come out sometime between April-July thats what Danny said in modern drummer.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Its supposed to come out sometime between April-July thats what Danny said in modern drummer.

Holy sodomized christ, dude April of this year?

Maynard's one busy man.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

No, I'm not kidding. Hence, the "holy sodomized jesus"

[The JoZ]

:amaze:

If it comes out in April, I will cream my pants.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Yeah, that'd be a little premature.

tee hee

[The JoZ]

I'm going to hold you to that Madey ;)

Seriously though, my birthday is in April, so it would be super cool if the new TOOL came out then

[Sleeper]

I would love a Lateralus DVD. Maybe even with all the videos. I saw the Parabol/Parabola video not too long ago, and it ruled. Awesome stuff.
I know in Salival they have all the music videos before Lateralus. It would be nice a dvd with lateralus Music Videos and maybe some footage of them live.

[genocide_monk]

my birthday is in april too and so is Maynard's.... wow

that would kick *** if it were out in april...

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I would love a Lateralus DVD. Maybe even with all the videos. I saw the Parabol/Parabola video not too long ago, and it ruled. Awesome stuff.

123. The video accurately depicts what's going on in the song. For example, when Parabola starts you see everything fly and break.

[The JoZ]

They were supposed to...

Dunno it's status now though.

[The JoZ]

Yeah Toolshed.down.net has talked about it briefly...

They were supposed to make a live DVD with footage from their last 6 shows on the Lateralus tour...

Don't know what's up with it now.

[Huber]

Yeah, I heard of a "Schism DVD" a long time ago. Probably the same thing.

[The JoZ]

No, the Schism DVD single and the live DVD are two different entities.

The Schism DVD may never happen, but I thought they were still working on the live one...

[Sleeper]

Have they released a DVD or video of live footage before, If not i have no clue why they didnt. There live shows are amazing, With the video and audio technology now they could make a unbelivable live DVD.

[conciousuniverse]

i agree... i'm waiting for that album.
if i find ANYTHING on the new album, i shall post.

as for what i have heard, the golden bowl of jellybellys has been reported as low, sooo, i'm assuming it wont be too far away.

I agree. I also thought the reference below was significant concerning possible subject matter for one or more songs.


Excerpt from Toolband.com, Blair writes:
Evidently, the golden bowl of Jelly Belly’s in Tool’s rehearsal space is running low...Danny told me that they’d knocked out another song that very afternoon. In describing it, he mentioned something or other about Maynard’s vocals – something that he seemed excited about, although to be perfectly honest, I really don’t remember what it was. At the time I was content with my papadam and glasses of Taj Mahal. From what he said about the timing and chord structure, however, this piece sounded like the song Adam played unplugged for Vidal last March in Havana as we sat on the balcony of a casa particulare (after eating those mysterious hamburguesas near Cementerio de Colon). I could have asked AJ, who was sitting at the other end of the table, but, at the time, he appeared to be enjoying his papadam and various exotic condiments as well, so, instead, I changed the subject and talked to Danny about Collodi’s Pinocchio.


It would be interesting to see Tool translate Collodi's Pinocchio into a muscial composition. I may be trying to hard or not hard enough to decrypt Blair's musings, nonetheless, there is always something new to learn or think about.

Check out the link below, if your keen on Jung & Spiritual Psychology:
Collodi's Pinocchio & the Shadow Puppet (http://www.spiritualpsychology.com/changeexcerptch3.html)

I think this is aligned with Tool's output and would make for some excellent songs.

[Werny]

I have to stop reading new Tool info, I'm going to cream!

I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out in a month or two. They're pumping out new material like rabbits, and they're getting revved up about it.

WAAH!

Meshuggah and Fantomas.... excellent.

I hope that they still make extremely intricate music like Lateralus, don't want them becoming silly.

[opeth_oasis]

i find alot of their songs to be long anyways. I like Tool's song range, its not always short, neither is it always long. Just downloaded a Danny Carey drum solo. MY GOD IT WAS GOOD. I've never heard anything like it. I'm sorry i cannot explain what he used etc as i am not a drummer, but i know hard stuff when i hear it, and that sounded very difficult. Our bassist tried to play some Tool lines the other day. He said that it was some of the most difficult stuff he had ever learnt. Everything musically about Tool is great, and not to mention perfect live:thumb:

[conciousuniverse]

opeth,

Have you heard any Tabla drumming by Aloke Dutta?
Danny Carey studied Tabla under Dutta. I recommend a listen.

[opeth_oasis]

ok ill give it a listen

[jambogan]

hm.. good theory. I agree with you.it makes alot of sense.
where he says...

"Something has to change.
Un-deniable dilemma.
Boredom's not a burden
Anyone should bear.

Constant over stimu-lation numbs me
and I wouldn't have
It any other way."

"Boredom's not a burden anyone should bear." goes back almost exactly like you were saying america have been desensitised, it takes more to "stimulate" the mind. good ol' "Leave it to Beaver" just aint cutting it anymore.


"Blend and balance
Pain and comfort
Deep within you
Till you will not have me any other way"


Pain = Murder/Violence; Comfort- Sex/Drugs.
Till you will not have me any other way = If you fill the human mind with sex, drugs, murder, hate.. then removed it all, and air old re-runs of Happy Days, Leave it to Beaver, the Three Stooges etc, what do you then would happen to the Ratings? just imangine alot of pissed off people.



" Shoulder deep within the borderline.
Relax. Turn around and take my hand."

"Knuckle deep inside the borderline.
This may hurt a little but it's something you'll get used to.
Relax. Slip away."



I'd say this is the view of the major television networks, Basicly anal fisting/raping you, sucking you into the grime of american t.v.

The end.. im at work and I gotta get busy.. I could keep going but i'll save you, and save myself from getting yelled at by the boss for not working.. Thats my view on the track, basically the same as metally_mental, enjoy!

:evil:


i agree with you, but i also think that the person who said it was about anal fisting is not "completely wrong" just not thinking very deeply. i think that maynard is using anal fisting as a metaphor for the numbing of the sense of the human race, there is just far too much innuendo for this to be overlooked. hence "turn around and take my hand" -personal favourite the whole "knuckle/elbow/shoulder deep within the borderline"- this sums up the metaphor pretty well i think, it works on that once a 'finger in the anus' so to speak was enough to satisfy people, it was once fresh and exciting and controversial, but as time went on people pushed the boundaries and it became norm, so another finger was inserted and so on until we get to the point that we need an entire arm up their to feel anything (hence "keep digging until i feel something")
"how can this mean anything to me? if i really dont feel a thing at all" makes me think of someone just sitting infront of a tv and just mindlessly watching all this sex and violence and being completely and utterly unnaffected by it.
thats just what i think.
cheers.

[Werny]

OK this is really strange.

Does anyone else feel a slight bit of negativity about the death metal influence on the new album?

I can't help it. Danny says the songs are less complicated.

Lateralus is the best album because of:
1) Drumming
2) Lyrics
3) The complexity of every song!

I hope they keep that complexity. From that Danny interview it sounds like they're making a *gasp* dumb Tool album!

I'd hate to look forward to it soooo much and then find it's a regular, repetitive death prog album.

Anyone else feel the same?

(no matter what, the album will be good, but if this is true, it will keep Tool from being all they can be)

[conciousuniverse]

werny!

I believe that Tool has an understanding of progression. Even if it takes on some heavier influences, Tool knows how to put the pieces together in a complimentary way,( I think this is where a lot of other bands fall apart and lose the audience.) I welcome the bands new experiments.

[Werny]

I also welcome them, but I mean that they are the most intelligent band ever, they have so much substance, I don't want "less complicated" songs.

It's not the death metal influence I'm afraid of (I'm really enjoying heavy stuff lately), it's the dumbed down nature that Danny reffered too.

Of course the lyrics will be as good, the drumming will kick all sorts of arse (and I mean ALL, it will be the best drumming ever, I can see it), but the songwriting.

After hearing Adam's work on Pigs of the Roman Empire, I'm 100% sure that he will keep up the ambience. Which is good.

Just the songwriting.

[Darkness]

Your wrong about how they said it was less complicated dude, Danny said it was the most complex peice of music he'd ever been involved with.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

So basically they're recording songs that will be like Stinkfist, Sober, and 46 & 2... Heavier and slightly more simple. I have no problem with that. Although I will miss songs like Lateralus and Third Eye.

[Otherside]

No, AJ has stated that they're are over 18 minute long songs, which is more of a progressive thing.


This speculation is pointless, just wait for the album.



ATT: AJG!!!


Where is Gmac?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

You know, use the magic whistle if you must summon me.

I dont know where half the memebers who posted here are. We've seen the likes of ToolOwnsYou and deadohiosky9 dissapear since the thread has been going.

[Otherside]

:\

I don't ToolOwnsYou was even around when I started posting...

Didn't Gmac say something about moving? It's been a while since he said that though.

[clearvision]

Hmm i have his email if you would like it. Lots of people come and go...I been here from the start though... OGT :)

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Clearvision and AJIG, old skool Tool honouaries. :cool:

[The JoZ]

Toolband.com talked about at least one 18 minute song, in which he (the webmaster or w/e) said it was one of, if not the most complex song they've ever written. He said that Justin's basswork was very impressive, which excites the hell out of me.

So far, every source I've seen on the new album seems to make it more complex, and heavier, than their previous stuff. If this is true, it may damn well be one of the best metal albums ever.

[Kage]

Let's not get too carried away here. This is all speculation and heresay. I hope they don't try too hard to be complex and have long songs, becuase that's just lame. If it just comes out, that's one thing, but to be all excited about it as if it's better to have long songs than short ones is stupid. I mean, I love long songs and Tool's longer songs (Lateralus, Third Eye, Reflection) are some of my all time favorites, but I just hope there wasn't the pre-concieved idea that it would be cool to write long songs, so let's do it.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Toolband.com talked about at least one 18 minute song, in which he (the webmaster or w/e) said it was one of, if not the most complex song they've ever written. He said that Justin's basswork was very impressive, which excites the hell out of me.

So far, every source I've seen on the new album seems to make it more complex, and heavier, than their previous stuff. If this is true, it may damn well be one of the best metal albums ever.

I wonder if they'll split up their longer songs again. Lateralus was threatening to be a 6 song album, at the same length (we had rumours of 23 minute tracks for that, and it turned into Triad, Disposition and Reflection)

But Blair's commenting on actually hearing these songs, as well as being in constant touch with the band is what is getting me excited. There are few other sources that i can trust or are any use.

[The JoZ]

Well, I mean, the dude running Toolband has claimed to actually been in the studio with them. So while it might be heresay, I think it's at least semi-reliable heresay :D

EDIT: AJIG beat me to it :p

[Kage]

Well, I mean, the dude running Toolband has claimed to actually been in the studio with them. So while it might be heresay, I think it's at least semi-reliable heresay :D

Yes, it is indeed a reliabe source, but I just wish Blair wouldn't be setting us up so much...I like going into album not really knowing what to expect. Besides, throughout the course of writing an album, many things change.

What I'm saying is that Blair might be just pumping us too much excitment on something that shouldn't really be relevant in how "good" the songs are.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Yes, it is indeed a reliabe source, but I just wish Blair wouldn't be setting us up so much...I like going into album not really knowing what to expect. Besides, throughout the course of writing an album, many things change.

What I'm saying is that Blair might be just pumping us too much excitment on something that shouldn't really be relevant in how "good" the songs are.

I think its a little bit of that tool attitude is rubbing off on Blair

[The JoZ]

Well, I mean, as much as he talks about it, that doesn't mean we know what it sounds like...

An 18 minute song? Ok, that just means it's long. It could be another Third Eye, or another Reflection, or sound nothing like either!

So it's complex. Is it Lateralus complex? Third Eye complex? Or more complex?

We just know it's supposed to be heavy and complex. That doesn't say a whole lot does it? :cool:

[TheSubtleArts]

i hope the toolband guy keeps posting updates of their studio work, if hes in there all the time, or it might of just been a one time thing i guess.

[AenImA08]

i was wondering if anyone in this thread would know EXACTLY what pickups Adam uses, i was planning on putting some on my les paul. thanks

[ween2424]

i love tool. when will there next album be? thats what im wondering

[Darkness]

Man..people have got to stop asking that question..

[clearvision]

123....bring Back Search!

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I hate that question too, but I must admit, im still asking it everyday to a higher force.....

[clearvision]

D'ya think the mods will allow me to write a new first post? Just linking to the toolshed FAQ, explaining that we have no date for the album as of yet etc...just so we don't keep getting the same **** posts? Anything else i should mention if i write it?

EDIT would link AJIG's FA too...that should be read

[Adam Jones is GOD]

i asked many many times, and so far, its all been ignored. but it would help amazingly if a regular on here had some control over the first post, so they could update it and link whenever.

We need ToolOwnsYou back, or SFK gigging schedule to go down/

[Iloveemomusic]

I like emo music..i sit in my room and cry all day. I would kill myself but i am too gay.
/cry /cry /cry /write ****ty music /cry some more

[clearvision]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6843290#post6843290

Second it or summat? cheers

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Bartender's idea of starting a new thread intrigues me, if its ok with the regs and majority here, we should go ahead and do it.

[clearvision]

Hmm, and link to the old thread? There's so much good sh!t here that i use for reference with the search function...who would want to start the thread?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Close this one, and link to any good/relevant posts.

I can see Joz's opinion about this being the swing vote, everyone else is probably going to be torn.

[clearvision]

Is that a nomination for JoZ to start it :p I will draft some points when i'm bored over the next week or something...would we change the title of the thread?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

yeah, gotta lose the official title, since they're now resented. (back to our thread title discussion again). And it wasnt a nomination as such, it was merely a case of i can see him having a strong opinion on such a move. But he would be a good example as a person who could update it regularly.

[Otherside]

We never did settle on a new name way back when did we..

[Kage]

I don't know, it seems like after 139 pages of Tool discussion, it would be a shame to start a new one. Either way, I don't see a problem with it, but that's my feelings.

[AenImA08]

i was wondering if anyone knows EXACTLY what pickups adam uses, or if they would have any idea where i could find out, i was thinking of putting them on my les paul

[Darkness]

You said that already aenima08 and noone seems to no.

[TrainTakeMeHome]

I thought Adam kept which pickups he uses a secret?

[AenImA08]

i know he uses seymour duncans i'm just not sure what kind

[TrainTakeMeHome]

Why is it that Tool/Tool fans are resented by many on these boards?

[Magicaltroll]

Let's not get too carried away here. This is all speculation and heresay. I hope they don't try too hard to be complex and have long songs, becuase that's just lame. If it just comes out, that's one thing, but to be all excited about it as if it's better to have long songs than short ones is stupid. I mean, I love long songs and Tool's longer songs (Lateralus, Third Eye, Reflection) are some of my all time favorites, but I just hope there wasn't the pre-concieved idea that it would be cool to write long songs, so let's do it.
I like long songs, like the mostly instrumental ones, i think theyre great because its stuff like that that you can just chill out to, ive been looking for stuff like that lately... cant really find anything....
But i also get what your saying, that they shouldnt try to force a way of writing because if they did they it might not flow as good.
well thats the way i see it atleast.

[pigonthewing82]

I heard Tool did a cover of Comfertably Numb, do any of you guys know if its any good?

[pigonthewing82]

Never heard that.. but their cover of No Quarter is ****ing amazing. I think it's a lot better than the original by Led Zeppelin.

Yea sombody said that to me about No Quarter by them, and I said there is no way its better then Zeppelin's, then they played it for me, I've never felt more owned in an argument.

[True_Faith]

Yea sombody said that to me about No Quarter by them, and I said there is no way its better then Zeppelin's, then they played it for me, I've never felt more owned in an argument.

i have no fuking idea what you guys are talking about, i mean tool is a great band, but zeppelin is zeppelin, no one can ever play zeppelin like they ever could.

[pigonthewing82]

i have no fuking idea what you guys are talking about, i mean tool is a great band, but zeppelin is zeppelin, no one can ever play zeppelin like they ever could.

Well Zeppelin is the better band for writing the song, but I don't know Tool's cover is VERY impressive. Its like the cover of Paranoid on the Randy Rhoads Tribute album. Its better then the original, but Black Sabbath is a better band because they wrote it.

[physt]

I'd like to see the Led Zeppelin write something like Lateralus! :)

[The JoZ]

Close this one, and link to any good/relevant posts.

I can see Joz's opinion about this being the swing vote, everyone else is probably going to be torn.

I heard my name.

Sup? :p

[True_Faith]

I'd like to see the Led Zeppelin write something like Lateralus!

oh come on man, without zeppelin there wouldnt even be tool, besides in the 70's the equipment used to make lateralus wasnt even around....wtf?

[physt]

It was a joke.. Believe me, I'm a big fan of Zep.. But if somebody is saying that Tool can't play a Zeppelin song as good as them because they wrote it, that's backwards. They may need a new guitarist, but they can play Zep songs as good or better than them, I'm sure of it..

[Magicaltroll]

oh come on man, without zeppelin there wouldnt even be tool, besides in the 70's the equipment used to make lateralus wasnt even around....wtf?
Zeppelin didnt like MAKE rock music, so there could still be a Tool.
and yeah you do need to calm down :)

[TheSubtleArts]

why are we comparing tool to zeppelin anyways? lets talk about tool since this is their thread

[mudvayne420]

i heard someone say that justins basslines were goin to be little more complex. Man can't wait to hear how thats goin to be, just another reason to buy their album hopefully soon. and does anyone know where to find a Digitech Bass Whammy, if so i would be pretty happy.

[Radiohead235]

Led Zeppelin sucks, and they DID NOT create rock music. Screw that. The Who was before them, what about their credit, better yet Cream.

Tool owns Zeppelin

[RunAmokRampant]

According to the australian kerrang, tool's new album might be released in autumn. Over here thats in the next 3 months. Somehow I think thats a little too good to be true but we'll see. The music is definitely heavier and influences include Mike Patton (Fantomas) and Dave Lombardo (slayer). Going to have less quirky time changes and more brute force but there are still going to be some quirky parts thrown in. Well thats what danny said basically. from the start of feb they had 10 new songs musically completed. Not sure about the lyrics.

[opeth_oasis]

Led Zeppelin sucks, and they DID NOT create rock music. Screw that. The Who was before them, what about their credit, better yet Cream.

Tool owns Zeppelin

that wasnt necessary

[Danny Carey is GOD]

Why is it that Tool/Tool fans are resented by many on these boards?

In my opinion it is because its rare to get an 'average' Tool fan. People who are Tool fans are REALLY into Tool. Probably because they feel it is so much more than just music. Therefore you get lots of people going around defending and supporting Tool 100%. Lots of people get called Tool 'fanboys' who are the people who will not listen to someone criticise Tool. They will probably start ranting about how perfect Tool are and how nothing else was ever as good, and nothing else will ever be as good. However, I would say that these people are in the minority as people who listen and understand Tool are intelligent and mature enough to keep clear of the 'fanboy' culture. Although im sure we've all made the odd 'fanboy' posts before, sometimes i just cant help it. ;)

[Werny]

I recall Danny saying that the new album is heavier and less complex then Lateralus, so how can he also say that it's the most complex stuff he's played on? CONSPIRACY, that's what!

Tool hardcores, as Danny Carey is GOD (**** STRAIGHT) said, are in a state of illusion that because they are heavily into the spiritual aspects and everything they are automatically deemed top of the mountain. They're my favourite band, but I don't think I'm like that.

They don't understand that seeing mystical beings whilst on shrooms listening to Tool doesn't make them better people. Probably makes em more stupid.

I have now learnt to shed all previous inhibitions about the album, wait it out, and embrace the random. Opiate was immature and youthful, and it was awesome, so even IF they turn death/speed prog, it would still probably rock.

Jeezus, I'm looking forward to this album more then I was Halo2... can't be good (I hated Halo2). meh.

[Otherside]

This speculation is pointless, just wait for the album.


123

[the2stranger]

I recall Danny saying that the new album is heavier and less complex then Lateralus, so how can he also say that it's the most complex stuff he's played on? CONSPIRACY, that's what!

Tool hardcores, as Danny Carey is GOD (**** STRAIGHT) said, are in a state of illusion that because they are heavily into the spiritual aspects and everything they are automatically deemed top of the mountain. They're my favourite band, but I don't think I'm like that.

They don't understand that seeing mystical beings whilst on shrooms listening to Tool doesn't make them better people. Probably makes em more stupid.

I have now learnt to shed all previous inhibitions about the album, wait it out, and embrace the random. Opiate was immature and youthful, and it was awesome, so even IF they turn death/speed prog, it would still probably rock.

Jeezus, I'm looking forward to this album more then I was Halo2... can't be good (I hated Halo2). meh.


Danny's srumming will be even more tchnical, because he discovered a great influence in Tomas Haake (drummer for meshuggah)
I think they are just telling us all sorts of things to keep us in stress, and so that we don't have a clue what to exspect.

but we all know, Tool won't disappoint us ;)

---

I'm gonna wait it out!

-the patient

[conciousuniverse]

listening to tool whilst on shrooms, peyote, or lsd will shatter the known.

i might not consider myself better than you, because i dont compare me to you.
but my soul has definately grown and my understanding of existence and non-existence has been penetrated beyond some of it's most vunerable holes.

i recommend tool with X. that is, to glimpse the unconditional love, life and death.

"dont knock it till you try it" you, yourself have to make the wager, and the next step to experience and then you may claim it as knowledge.

[conciousuniverse]

just a note,

there is a downloadable version of comfortably numb, which may be by tool...
i cant say for sure if it is.

*there is no prescence of danny on drums
*the vocals are not clear

do a search for it and listen for yourself. you might like it regardless...

[Kage]

123

Double 123.

Everyone stop coming in here talking about how this album is going to be heavier and more complex or less complex or whatever you've heard. We've all heard it as well, there's no point in re-hashing it over and over and trying to find the deeper meaning in Justin's more complex basslines. Jesus Christ, give it a rest.


EDIT: By all means this post is not meant to promote no discussion of the new album, but really we all know about the more complex basslines, heavier feel etc. People are making too many assumptions based on brief statements given by the band or a represenative. If you hear/read something about the new album, by all means share it here and feel free to discuss it, but enough jumping to conclusions already.

[joemarsh]

i would actually like to here more odd time tribal tendencies on the new album

[clearvision]

Kage...wtf? that is basically what we are here for, to discuss what we want and what we think we'll get.

As for the fanboy thing, alot of tool fans are very arrogant about tool's music. And have very closed minds about what people should listen to, kind of ironic huh? But yeah that's why they are so resented.

And the new thread, I s'pose we should vote on it. Just link to this thread then when the search comes back people can trawl through for stuff like the quabla etc. Jsst need to decide on...

-A title
-Content
-Who gets first post

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Kage...wtf? that is basically what we are here for, to discuss what we want and what we think we'll get.

As for the fanboy thing, alot of tool fans are very arrogant about tool's music. And have very closed minds about what people should listen to, kind of ironic huh? But yeah that's why they are so resented.

And the new thread, I s'pose we should vote on it. Just link to this thread then when the search comes back people can trawl through for stuff like the quabla etc. Jsst need to decide on...

-A title
-Content
-Who gets first post

Yes, but there is a difference between asking somebody why he/she does not like the band and flaming that person. If I recall correctly, you rep- me because I called the person into question.

My feeling is that if somebody flames a band, they should explain themselves.

[jamesclelland]

he said it pretty well. i only flame people if they are just being assholes

[clearvision]

I'm sorry but...

"Superpeer, I take it you aren't a prog rock fan and you aren't patient."

...Is a needless comment, people don't have to like tool. They are not the be all and end all of prog. That fully deserved neg rep because it was an ignorant post.

[Otherside]

Superpeer does hate Tool with a passion though.

I was posting in the R&M community thread(this was right after the cheating with the polls concerning Tool) and I said something along the lines of "They give real Tool fans a bad name" Which he responded to with "You already have a bad name: You listen to Tool."


...

[clearvision]

:lol: My opinions of superpeer just fell...But it was the ignorance of the comment that annoyed me. I know alot of people that hate bands with a passion for their image, like manson, CoF. And people that hate bands for their music, slipknot, linkin park. It doesn't really matter what your music tastes are, just don't be ignorant towards other peoples tastes, not all music is liked by everyone. This is a big message in tools music 'think for yourself, question authority' It is very ironic how the fanboys worship tool and are so closeminded with other styles of music.

/Rant over

[Otherside]

Nah Superpeer is cool most of the time, I just think he rabidly hates Tool for some reason. But your right about everything else...

[Darkness]

Today at the cd store me and my friend found a tool dvd titled Toology. It looked ok and it was only 12 bucks. Is this worth picking up?

[Otherside]

No, Toology is a unofficial documetary DVD.

I've never seen it.

[Darkness]

Has anybody seen it... cuz if its good I'd like to pick it up.

Or does it suck like Revolution USA for RATM?

[TheSubtleArts]

ive never seen it, my friend said it sucks though

[TrainTakeMeHome]

It's completely awful. It's a "documentary" with mostly made up bullshit. For ****'s sake, they don't even pronounce "Aenima" right.

[Kage]

Kage...wtf? that is basically what we are here for, to discuss what we want and what we think we'll get.

By all means, I want to discuss the new album, etc. But I'm just tired of every newb coming in here talking about the same things and speculating based on very little information. Basically, it's like they're taking some comments from the band and making them out to be these set-in-stone things. That's what Tool fanboys do and they annoy me.

[Darkness]

Oh ok..thanks dude you just saved me 12 bucks.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I'm sorry but...

"Superpeer, I take it you aren't a prog rock fan and you aren't patient."

...Is a needless comment, people don't have to like tool. They are not the be all and end all of prog. That fully deserved neg rep because it was an ignorant post.

$hit, did I say that?

Well, I hope that some of you know that I'm NOT a fanboy. I've actually been on record here criticizing Tool's lyrics.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Also Clearvision, I guess you should know that my friends have tried to listen to Lateralus but could not because of their failure to listen to melodies. I can't respect people who do not have the patience to listen through the whole song to appreciate it. But it was certainly an unfair assumption to make.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

It doesn't really matter what your music tastes are, just don't be ignorant towards other peoples tastes, not all music is liked by everyone. This is a big message in tools music 'think for yourself, question authority' It is very ironic how the fanboys worship tool and are so closeminded with other styles of music.

/Rant over

Well, you just did the same thing as me. You made an ignorant statement.
1. You called me a fanboy
2. You're saying I don't think for myself.
3. You're saying I'm close-minded.
My statement was a question, granted a bad one. I had a good intention in questioning a person who did not explain themselves. When you go into another band's thread and say "I just really don't like (insert band here)", then you better be able to explain yourself. He didn't. I called him out for it. Maybe I reacted thay way because he just threw out a broad flame. Something that is evident on this board.

[Darkness]

Use the edit button dude..

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Use the edit button dude..

That is also a very valid point. :thumb:

[Werny]

listening to tool whilst on shrooms, peyote, or lsd will shatter the known.

i might not consider myself better than you, because i dont compare me to you.
but my soul has definately grown and my understanding of existence and non-existence has been penetrated beyond some of it's most vunerable holes.

i recommend tool with X. that is, to glimpse the unconditional love, life and death.

"dont knock it till you try it" you, yourself have to make the wager, and the next step to experience and then you may claim it as knowledge.

Not bagging you. You're an awesome person. It's the fans that experience what you've experienced, and think that they are gods and others don't deserve to talk around them.

Ok, no more speculation. Over analyzing seperates the body from the mind...

The next album will kick arse.

[SonorKen]

Today at the cd store me and my friend found a tool dvd titled Toology. It looked ok and it was only 12 bucks. Is this worth picking up?
That is the biggest hunk of crap ever produced. You would be better served by taking that 12 bucks and buying a Boy George cd.

[conciousuniverse]

SonarKen, so true.

We have Toology and it is a big waste of time and money.
Out of the entire video, there was only on commentator who actually was a listener of Tool and understood the band. And then, he only says what we already know.

If you are looking for a quality DVD, check ebay.
I bought a 3 Disc Set for only $20
Its got about 20 live concert video (good sound quality and visuals)
It has everything from Hooker with a ***** to 46 & 2 to Lateralus.
One of the DVDs is soley the Tool Music Videos, including Hush.
There are 3 or 4 interviews, one of which is 1 hour long.
The band goes into great detail on their philosophies as artist, the purpose of the music, and their future outlook.

I recommend this product for any Tool fan that is looking for high quality ripped concert videos ect, but it shouldnt be long until Tool release the official Dvd, so you may want to save your money.

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Werny, sorry for the miscommunication. Keep it real! :)

[x the patient x6]

i got Toology for 2 bucks, i was dissapointed, but not upset...

[LunaticCalm]

Justin's bassline, which he described as being so fast and complex that it seemed "inhuman".

(heh i know that was a while ago >.<)

im an inpiring bassist and i play Tool songs as much as i can because of the fact they are complex and sound incredible (even with my lack of tuning skill >.<). Schism is one of the least complicated songs but it sounds incredible, the hardest one ive found is either Triad or Sober; the 4 strings blows my mind. but ya im not a very good bassist but as most i cant wait for the new album. although i wont say a **** word about it because i know only as much as anyone who said anything about it.


as for anything else on tool. i dont consider myself a fanboy, i do own one of the shirts though. they are simply my favorite band and produce lyrics and music that will either:

1) blow ones mind

or

2) open it to a new perspective

2 is what happened to me, all because of Reflection im not a narcissistic ninny 8-)

edit

and about the song order

i noticed while listening to it for like the 4billionth time the songs follow a less then logical order and didnt seem to follow one another perfectly, then rearanging the songs?... magic...

[Sleeper]

I remember watching Toology and they pronounced Paul Demores name wrong, and all this bogus information about the band. Why did they even make it in the first place?

[The JoZ]

If Justin is indeed writing 'inhuman' basslines, I can't wait for them.

Seriously, so far, the only person I listen to with 'inhuman' material is Dream Theater.

If Tool's material starts matching their in terms of inhumanness...wow...:amaze:

[Sleeper]

I wouldnt be surprised if Justin was writing Inhuman material, He seemed to get better on every album IMO

[keeponslipping]

why do so many people doubt how good this next album will be? for all we know it could be better than Lateralus, i mean we know they make great music so why worry so much, look forward to it, dont be scared of what it could be

[Sleeper]

why do so many people doubt how good this next album will be? for all we know it could be better than Lateralus, i mean we know they make great music so why worry so much, look forward to it, dont be scared of what it could be
I guess its the human curiosity to speculate what a band will sound like after not making a album for some time. Im not really worried about the new album, Because well....lets face it. ITS TOOL