Tool

[James Howlett]

My friend went to a Tool concert in Oklahoma City when they were on their Lateralus tour, and he said that they played Ticks and Leeches.

They played that when they were doing the Ozzfest tour aswell, with Maynard playind his weird guitar. Great song, one of my favorites.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Right people...I have news (kind of)

My friend posts on Manson USA alot http://mansonusa.com . Apparently some dude that posts there as links in with some of the major venues for tours in the US. And he says Tool are touring in July. Could be a load of bollocks, but if it's true... Sureley it means tickets will be on sale soon...and the album is coming soon! They better hurry up, radiohead albums are taking over my life at the minute :(

i will take it as rumour for now. However, expect an update from Bliar soon on another completed Tool song, which is apparently more MJK vocal lead/experiments than their current work in progress. All your information is there at toolband.com, just dig through the pointless stuff (well, if you find Blair pointless that is) and it'll give you minimal info.

[spiralout13]

speaking of tool, has anyone ever heard of The Holy Grail theroy for lateralus? if not then here is a little explanation of it. Basicalyy if you put these tracks in order 7,6,8,5,9,4,13,10,3,11,2,12,1 all of the song flow perfectly into each other. this was also the way maynard had planned for the cd's track listing. its pretty scary though.

[Darkness]

I found an article that spoke of this a while ago, though the order he spoke of was much different then yours. I'll try to find it..its a great read.

[Darkness]

Its a bit long and I don't know the source it came from..its from another forum.

"
Tool's Lateralus is the most amazing piece of music ever composed. I think Tool deliberately wanted to give their fans something truly amazing, but wanted them to find it on their own. "Recognize this as a holy gift..." At first, I thought that the song Lateralus was about tripping acid - discovering true color by seperating the body from the mind. At first listen, I imagined the bending envelope as an intense visual. After becoming more familiar with the track, however, I had reformed my interpretation to something broader: think deeper. Lateralus, perhaps because it is the album's "title track", serves as the central clue for a puzzle that a friend of mine had read about somewhere on the internet. "All I know is that there is a different order for the songs - something about two spirals.

Oh yeah, and thirteen is in the middle." After scavenging through endless google search results, I gave up on finding more about this 'alternate order'. Intent to figure the album out, and very curious about the spirals - I put on the proverbial 'thinking cap'. I understood how the spirals could have a lot of significance, in that the album's title track offers the inspiring, "swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human..........And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been. We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been." In my internet scavenging, I had read one review, written by a drummer, who mentioned that Danny Carey's drum beat formed a fibonacci sequence during the song Lateralus. A drummer myself, I decided to get out the graph paper and follow Danny. I can't play like he can, but at least I can hear everything he's doing, and thus was able to construct the drum tabulature.

Sure enough, Danny repeats a Fibonacci sequence through the number 13: 1,1,2,3,5,8,13. After 13, he starts again with 1. Bringing in my Algebra 2 knowledge of the Fibonacci sequence, when the equation for the Fibonacci sequence (which I don't actually know) is graphed, it forms a sprial whose vertex depends on the number at which the sequence begins. Coincidence? I began to think not. I had already known of Danny's obsession with sacred geometry and am familiar with Bob Frissell's book, Nothing in This Book Is True, But It's Exactly How Things Are , so the significance of what I had stumbled upon had actually begun to settle in. This is where I just had to play with Lateralus. I had doodled a few spirals in the corners of my graph paper, and in doing so made the first important connection to Lateralus. I knew that if the tracks were in fact intended to be heard in a different order, "Parabol" and "Parabola" would have to go together. In drawing my spirals, I had begun with a vertex and 'spiraled' outwards.

After writing the numbers 1 through 13 linearly, I could immediately see that Parabol and Parabola would have to be the middle of my spiral (in that 13 / 2 = 6.5). I drew a simple arrow between 6 and 7 and then pondered the next pair. At first, I actually drew a spiral connecting pairs of numbers whose sum equaled 13 (the number of songs on the album). This, however, left the last track in the same position and without anything to connect to. At this time,

I had used my copy of Lateralus and Cool Edit Pro to take out the silences between tracks and put the songs in the following order: 6,7,5,8,4,9,3,10,2,11,1,12,13. The transition from Parabola into Schism blew my mind, as the plucks, probably dismissed by listeners as a drawn out rant of an ending, perfectly transition into the beginning of Schism. When you count out beats as the strings are plucked, Schism resumes with the same time signature and tempo - mirroring the progression of notes. The transition from Schism into Ticks & Leeches is equally intriguing. Schism ends with strong double-kick bass and tom smacks, and Ticks & Leeches begins with what many would call a 'tribal' drum beat. The beat at the very start of Ticks & Leeches is slightly different every subsequent time it is repeated - the measures are two beats longer. Yup - you guessed it - those two beats are ACTUALLY the last two beats of Schism.

I can honestly say that I never understood the album's fourth track, Mantra until reordering the album's songs. What I had originally heard as whale calls now had begun to resemble the worst imaginable dry heaves - or a stylized choking. Fitting, seeing as how the last line in Ticks & Leeches is "I hope you choke." After this transition, none of those following it really seemed to make much sense. I certainly didn't like that Disposition and Reflection had been seperated - as they sound quite good when played sequentially on the album. This was the only real roadblock in my disciphering of the Holy Gift. Then I had remembered what my friend had told me - 13 was in the middle. At the time, probably just wanting to believe that there was more to this cd, I had equated this to the positioning of the song "Intermission" on the previous release, Ænema.

For the song to be in the 'middle' of the album it would have to be the seventh track in sequence, here having six tracks on either side of it. So I inserted Faaip de Oiad after Lateralus, and almost peed my pants when I discovered that (ever-so-faintly) the fading tone of the last note of Lateralus could be heard in beginning of Faaip de Oiad, and how the distortion of the guitars at the tail end of Lateralus resembled, and later transitioned seamlessly into, the static at the beginning of Faaip de Oiad. The lyrics of Lateralus justify this break in the spiral, almost instructing: "spiral out, keep going, spiral out, keep going." I went back to Lateralus to find the next clue. In Danny Carey's amazingly competent Fibonacci sequence, he had stopped at 13 and gone back to 1. This is what I chose to do to finish the sequence. A second spiral was now constucted, and the order for the Holy Gift now became 6,7,5,8,4,9,13,1,12,2,11,3,10. Already many of you are probably fascinated at what I have revealed to you, but I can not even begin to tell you what this new order has opened up for me.

The beauty of Lateralus is very, very fragile and has to be viewed with a very open mind. It can also be different when looked at from different points of view. Aside from the fact that the new order of the songs places them in an order where they flow together nicely - often ending and resuming on the same notes or within the same progression, and some times - in the case of Lateralus into Faaip de Oiad and The Grudge into Triad - even overlapping (though admittadly sound much better when actually electronically overlapped, this is kind of cheating. Consider this a hint, however, if you plan on doing this yourself), the two spirals help to tell a story that every Tool fan should hear. In the interest of not boring the only casually intrigued, I will try to keep this very brief. I would also recommend familiarizing yourselves with Frissell's book (yeah - the one I mentioned earlier). I consider Parabol and Parabola to be quite expository. Maynard wants us to know that no matter what happens, we must all know that this is not our only existance. Our very minds and the contents of our subconscious are intended to be immortal, and if we accept this into our lives (be it because of personal or religious reasons), it will be so. As such, pain is an illusion. At first, I called it "The Lateralus Prophecy" (for reasons you will soon understand), but I have since decided to call the 'reordered' version of Lateralus "The Holy Gift". As Maynard says, "Recognize this as a holy gift and celebrate this chance to be alive and breathing," I take the word "this" to mean much more than just his simple cautioning.

Since Parabola is the second track of the Holy Gift, it can be considered at the beginning (esp. considering the context of it's duality with Parabol), and as such, I interpret Maynard's words as more than just clever lyrics in a song. They are a plead for his listeners to listen to everything he has to say and truly celebrate the chance of immortality offered throughout. I would be lying if I said that each song has a specific translation. On the contrary, Tool's music is designed to make you think, not say something specific. It must be treated like great literature - much is hidden contextually. I will elude to Geometric-Drumming's previous post, where he explains the time signatures of Schism: "It represents the title...it's arranged in 12/8 time which is SPLIT into 5/8 and 7/8 - which only really FITS as you PUT THE PIECES BACK TOGETHER." Where Geometric-Drumming claims Schism as his favorite Tool song, I have heard some fans say that it was a retched pick for the album's only single - but I think it was brilliant. Not to downplay the interpretations of those who have posted before me (in fact, I agree with much of what %BlueSoulRobot% has to say), but I think that to the casual listener who knows nothing of Tool, it can be a powerful invitation.

Think about it - a lot of dingbats with MTV and a radio would walk around with the words "I know the pieces fit" in their heads. I wonder how many of them took the time to put the pieces back together to (re)discover what is trying to be communicated

There's a Fibonacci in Maynard's lyrics, specifically the syllables:


black [1]

then [1]

white are [2]

all I see [3]

in my infancy [5]

red and yellow then came to be [8]

reaching out to me [5]

lets me see [3]

there is [2]

so [1]

much [1]

more and [2]

beckons me [3]

to look through to these [5]

infinite possibilities [8]

as below so above and beyond I imagine [13]

drawn outside the lines of reason [8]

push the envelope [5]

watch it bend [3]


I suppose it's not actually a true Fibonacci, since it does reverse itself. "

[BlindWriting]

That article was both amazing and inspiring, and has given me another reason to love this band.

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

Too bad it's probably been posted in this thread about 90 times :(

[Kage]

Still, it's very intriguing. I have yet to try that order, but I plan on it now that I have read what it's supposed to reveal for sure.

[BlindWriting]

Too bad it's probably been posted in this thread about 90 times :(
Do you honestly expect me to cycle through all 122 pages of this thread to find something that I didn't even know about until just now, and therefore wasn't looking for?

Christ. I'm sorry that the tampons aren't enough for you, buddy.

[Kage]

Do you honestly expect me to cycle through all 122 pages of this thread to find something that I didn't even know about until just now, and therefore wasn't looking for?

Christ. I'm sorry that the tampons aren't enough for you, buddy.

Don't worry about him, I'm glad it was posted because I've been wanting to read it but have been too lazy to search for it. :thumb:

[x the patient x6]

Too bad it's probably been posted in this thread about 90 times :(

2 or 3 of which by me



not like thats something to be proud of, but i try

[Kage]

Well, we can all use a refresher once in a while.

[BlindWriting]

I just tried playing the beginnings and endings of each song on Lateralus in that weird order. Since I was using iTunes I had to adjust the crossfade playback myself differently each time, but when it got it right, it worked.

And when it worked, it worked beautifully. :D

[joas]

I'm not sure I get the whole idea behind the different track listing for Lateralus; I just love to listen to the CD..


So, I'm really into TOOL, but I don't know jack about some of the odd stuff people know/found out about the band or anything relating with them. Want to start a list of random facts you know on them perhaps others might not?

[spiralout13]

I just tried playing the beginnings and endings of each song on Lateralus in that weird order. Since I was using iTunes I had to adjust the crossfade playback myself differently each time, but when it got it right, it worked.

And when it worked, it worked beautifully. :D

yeah if u think about the order 7,6,8,5,9,4,13,10,3,11,2,12,1 try writing this on a piece of paper, you will notice that you can "spiral out". start with your pencil on tthe 13. then move it out in a spiral pattern. all of the number pairs equal 13. like the fibonacci sequence.

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

Christ. I'm sorry that the tampons aren't enough for you, buddy.
Thats pretty classic.*



















*not really :upset:

[Maynard's Dick]

I'm not sure I get the whole idea behind the different track listing for Lateralus; I just love to listen to the CD..


So, I'm really into TOOL, but I don't know jack about some of the odd stuff people know/found out about the band or anything relating with them. Want to start a list of random facts you know on them perhaps others might not?

Actually, I like that idea (but I'm sure if it will last long...)

-Maynard makes up his own fake business cards.
-Adam played violin and cello in his youth.
-Danny went to university on a music scholarship.
-Justin is married.

[SickoKid]

If anyone wants Tool videos, both clips and live and hasn't read the 122 pages go to:

http://www.musictelevisionsucks.net/search.php.

Search for 'Tool' and your set.

[XyleM]

The live videos on MTS are pretty poor quality though, I had great expectations for those videos and they just didn't follow through, even the sound quality isn't that great :upset:

[XyleM]

yeah if u think about the order 7,6,8,5,9,4,13,10,3,11,2,12,1 try writing this on a piece of paper, you will notice that you can "spiral out". start with your pencil on tthe 13. then move it out in a spiral pattern. all of the number pairs equal 13. like the fibonacci sequence.

I don't understand how the fibonnaci sequence is a spiral if you graph it, it seems to come out as an exponential function :confused:

(Sorry bout the double post)

[jamesclelland]

i really honestly dont care which order i hear the songs in. there gonna be badass either way so why think harder than you have to.

[magicbus]

I don't understand how the fibonnaci sequence is a spiral if you graph it, it seems to come out as an exponential function :confused:

(Sorry bout the double post)

If you have the song order like this: 7,6,8,5,9,4,13,10,3,11,2,12,1 you can start with a pencil at 13, and start drawing a spiral through each pair of number that equal 13. (9+4=13, 10+3=13, 8+5=13, 11+2=13, 7+6=13, 12+1=13.) I drew a picture of it below.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v200/rockshowguy56/spiral.bmp


The only part I don't understand is how you guys got that order from the Fibanocci Sequence. That sequence is 1,1,2,3,5,8,13 etc. Where did all the other numbers come from?

[jamesclelland]

those were from danny's drum beats?. listen to lateralus, 1,1,2,3,5,8,13...
listen to how many words or syllabuls(didnt spell that right) maynard uses in each particular line

i've heard that adam uses his synth as ten overdrive pedals inline for triad. is this true? i had crappy seats at the last tool show and could see what he was doing. any tips would help in getting my version to sound close to decent

[magicbus]

those were from danny's drum beats?. listen to lateralus, 1,1,2,3,5,8,13...
listen to how many words or syllabuls(didnt spell that right) maynard uses in each particular line

i've heard that adam uses his synth as ten overdrive pedals inline for triad. is this true? i had crappy seats at the last tool show and could see what he was doing. any tips would help in getting my version to sound close to decent

Well, I heard that Danny's drumbeats actually didn't follow that sequence, just Maynard's lyrics. I've counted them out though, the syllables do form that sequence. I guess the drums beats go from 9 to 8 to 7 beats per measure, I haven't really tried counting this out yet though. Its in the toolfaq.

"Why can't I mosh to "Lateralus" correctly?

Unlike most songs, which stay in one time signature for at least two measures, track 9 on this album features a measure of nine beats, a measure of eight, then a measure of seven, repeating. This FAQ is not going to teach you how to count rhythms, but that will at least get you on your way." From the FAQ.

[jamesclelland]

odd time sigs. if you cant headbang on a one, two, three... deal it's probably a screwy time sig.

[whatduffhuck7]

does anybody think isis sounds alot like tool but with a little more death metal in them
tool+mastadon= isis check them out if you like both those bands

[The JoZ]

i've heard that adam uses his synth as ten overdrive pedals inline for triad. is this true? i had crappy seats at the last tool show and could see what he was doing. any tips would help in getting my version to sound close to decent

That's the first real attempt at an explanation I've seen. Nobody seems to know how the hell he gets those tones out of his guitar in Triad.

What I want to know is how Justin gets those bass tones in the long outro of Lateralus. Someone said it was a fretless bass part, or a fretless simulator, but it doesn't sound like any fretless I've ever heard...

[magicbus]

That's the first real attempt at an explanation I've seen. Nobody seems to know how the hell he gets those tones out of his guitar in Triad.

What I want to know is how Justin gets those bass tones in the long outro of Lateralus. Someone said it was a fretless bass part, or a fretless simulator, but it doesn't sound like any fretless I've ever heard...

Yea I heard he got the tone by hooking his guitar up to a synth, I just don't know how.

As for Justin, I have no idea.

[Darkness]

Are you guys referring to the triad solo?

Sorry if this is a stupid question..

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I agree with the multiple pedals linked up for triad. it sounds close to whatever it is he uses, as when I linked up my pedal with a friends, then the amps distortion I got what sounded like Adam's contniuous feedback. However, god knows how he gets some of them tones.

[x the patient x6]

I'm not sure I get the whole idea behind the different track listing for Lateralus; I just love to listen to the CD..


So, I'm really into TOOL, but I don't know jack about some of the odd stuff people know/found out about the band or anything relating with them. Want to start a list of random facts you know on them perhaps others might not?

MAYNARD:

Attended the United States Military Academy ("West Point") prep school. [1984]

Was offered a lead role in the film Panic Room (2002) by David Fincher himself, but turned it down due to commitments to his band Tool.

Son Devo born. [1995]

Co-founded music group A Perfect Circle with Billy Howerdel, a friend of his who also worked as a guitar technician for Nine Inch Nails. [1998]

Is a big fan of "The Kids in the Hall" (1989).

Attended Kendall College of Art and Design in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

Was classmates with Gillian Anderson at Kendall University.

He is a big fan of Bill Hicks. In Tool's third album, there are many references to this great stand-up comic and they take excerpts from his performances.

Formerly engaged to Jennifer Brena Ferguson. (2003)

Bandmate of Adam Jones, Justin Chancellor, and Danny Carey.

He is a wine enthusiast, and has over 2000 bottles of wine in his house.


ADAM:
Can be seen on the Jurassic Park DVD, working on a model of a dinosaur. Exactly ten minutes into the documentary, he is shown adding small dots of clay to some sort of dinosaur.

Played in a band with Tom Morello called Electric Sheep while they were attending Libertyville High School in Illinois. The two would become musical contemporaries again in Los Angeles when Morello became the guitarist for Rage Against the Machine and Jones formed Tool.

Adam was schooled in straight makeup at the Studio Makeup Academy in Hollywood. He was a makeup artist, sculptor, set designer, and special effects designer for Rick Lazzarini's Character Shop and Stan Winston Studio.


and the other 2 guys, seem to have not as much, but thats that


woo, 300 posts

[Reflection of a Mirror]

holy **** i havent been to this web site for like a few months (sadly) this thread was still a child it had like 10 posts

Tool is becoming quite popular where i live : )
i believe i started it
HICK COUNTY

[jamesclelland]

I agree with the multiple pedals linked up for triad. it sounds close to whatever it is he uses, as when I linked up my pedal with a friends, then the amps distortion I got what sounded like Adam's contniuous feedback. However, god knows how he gets some of them tones.

i wonder if you can use your synth in two different ways at once. that might help produce some of the tones are aren't created by wah and feedback. that or the epilady he uses has some kind of motor in it. i know that motors against pickups do crazy ****.

[back to the front]

After reading the last two pages, i'm even more amazed by Tool. Now i feel like listening to them. wow

[Sleeper]

im not into tool that much. but i do like the song sober, and from the tool videos ive seen they strike as pretty weird but, i still think manyard is a good songwriter..... and one more thing i heard maynard is a necropheliac is that true???

Lol no its not true, yeh there music videos are very artsy. Adam jones the guitarist produces the videos.

[The JoZ]

Their videos make no ****ing sense.

And no, Maynard is not into necrophelia.

[conciousuniverse]

I have posted this before, but for new toolites & those who enjoy the mystic of Tools "magick music":


The Correlation between "Lateralus" & the Qabala (http://www.toolpantheon.com/lateralus_meanings.htm)



I think the albums have infinite meanings, correlating to the listeners' level of experiences. Somehow, after words, the many different interpretations seem to hold a genuine essence. The above link has some specific information for those interested in the "Lateralus" Album and the connection to the achetypes, the tarot, qabala, tree of life, ect. :thumb:



Also, to a former post about the range of musical diffculty between band members... All pieces demand the same concentration. Carey could cast a spell with every beat. Keenan manipulates his own beautiful instrament, vocal chords. Binded with Jones and Chancellor, Tool is a machine. Like an engine of ....I'll let you fill in the blank. I think that they are completely equal. Check out that link above, and research the stuff you dont recognize, knowing will help you expand your creativity.

[Slaytanic777]

I just tried playing the beginnings and endings of each song on Lateralus in that weird order. Since I was using iTunes I had to adjust the crossfade playback myself differently each time, but when it got it right, it worked.

And when it worked, it worked beautifully. :D

Dude, I love your icon... MRH is pimp juice!

[Adam Jones is GOD]

A little research to give more insight into the world of Adam, and some kinda explanation about his epilady effect. The original question was if he felt inadequate as a guitar player at times:



AJ: Yeah, absolutely. I am not a technical guy. I mean, you
see these guys from GIT, or wherever, and they know 50
different chord progressions in C(min)maj7. I’m not there. I
like Frank Zappa, and Ry Cooder and Stevie Ray Vaughn and
Jimi Hendrix and all those guys, but after a while the lead
guitar thing started boring me. So I never really went there,
and it wasn’t important to me to practice scales. So in that
respect, I feel really inadequate. If there’s some really good
guitarist in the audience, and I know he’s watching me, I just
go, “God, he must think I suck!” I play from my gut, and
play as passionately as I can, but I’m not a very good guitar
player, comparatively. I’m really just into what we do, and I
love writing riffs, and I love challenging myself to play in a
different time than Danny’s playing on drums, and trying to
figure out something over the top of it that sounds really
cool. But as far as being able to fluidly solo over something,
I’m not into it. That’s why on some solos I’ll pick up an
Epilady, one of those things ladies use to rip out their hair. It
has this revolving, figure8, guitar-like string one it; I keep
my on it to stop the motor, and it goes, “rrrrr,” and then I
can let it go “reeeh” [gradually increases pitch]. Using delay,
and other kinds of effects, it can be really powerful.

And then explaining why:

AJ: To be honest, I saw Dave Navarro do a solo with a
vibrator once, and it was kind of cool. I didn’t have a vibrator
around – I’m sure Dave has several! Just kidding. [laughs].
But I started putting electrical things up to the guitar and
getting really cool results. I got one of those old hand
massagers, and I could hold the motor and control it. Buzz
from the Melvins showed me you could take a remote from
your TV, hold it to your pickup, and make your guitar
go “beep, boop, beep” – you get different tone right from the
pickup. Then you put some flange and delay on, and it
sounds great.

[clearvision]

How doeds he use the epilady? My assumption was he uses the tweezing things to pluck the string multiple times :confused:

[Kage]

When does he use that? Am I the only one that doesn't know what an Epilady is?

[the2stranger]

A little research to give more insight into the world of Adam, and some kinda explanation about his epilady effect. The original question was if he felt inadequate as a guitar player at times:




And then explaining why:


interesting stuuf you posted there, I never seen that before.

[the2stranger]

When does he use that? Am I the only one that doesn't know what an Epilady is?


a little shaving like device for the ladies.

you just put it on your leg, ( or any spot where you would like to remove hair.)
and it pulls out the hair in it's entirety

[Dancin' Man]

Does he just get the sound of the motor through his pickups or does he actually play the strings? I use an electric toothbrush to sound the motor and change it's speeds but I can't getm it to play to strings. I want an E-bow.

[clearvision]

The epilady has sets of tweezers i think...my understanding was he got the epilady to pluck the strings, but the mention of a vibrator aswell wouldn't really work.

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0000CD7ES.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

^Epilady

[The JoZ]

That's a newer Epilady, he uses one of the older models.

[the2stranger]

Does he just get the sound of the motor through his pickups or does he actually play the strings? I use an electric toothbrush to sound the motor and change it's speeds but I can't getm it to play to strings. I want an E-bow.


could you tell me what an E-bow exactly is?
I saw it metioned a few times in the Opeth thread, especially with the BWP album.
but I'm not a real guitar man, or a very technical man anyways, as far as music goes.
so anyone?

[magicbus]

Oh yea the Dave Navarro story, that's what I was thinking of. I knew he saw a different muscisian use a motorized device to play, but I couldn't remember who it was.

And I was also wondering about the E-bow. I've read about it, but I don't get how it works.

[clearvision]

Joz knows his epilady stuff i see :)

http://www.ebow.com/

My understanding of the e-bow is that it uses a magnetic field to constantly vibrate 1 string at a time, so there is no need to pick.

You can change the volume and stuff...just look at the players guide on the site :)

[Metallicat]

This thread rocks. I love tool. :)

Found some very cool info here...

[Kage]

And an e-bow makes a violin-like sound, or can, I'm not sure if that's it's only use but that's all I've ever used one for.

And another epilady question...what song(s) does Adam use it on?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

The biggest example of him using it would be on Triad. Thiugh it wouldnt suprise me if it was on Third Eye too, since it uses so many damn effects. (though im not sure if he was influenced by the idea at that time.)

[clearvision]

how does he actually use it people?

is it just the motor messing with the pickups?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I guess so, he talked about how (like many of us krazy guitarist) threw any kind of electronical or motorised device next to the pick ups to create some odd noises. But not seeing it live I wouldnt know :(

I tend to get weird efects using my old mobile phone, though im not sure if its doing my EMGs any good. And they come before cool noises anyday

[clearvision]

lol ok...

i used to be able to pick up radio stations on my face with my jack lead...does that count?

What guitar do you play AJIG, what is your rig? (hehee)

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Currently

Guitars:
Jackson DXMG
Squire Showmaster (which, once I get the cash, is becoing my custom playground)

Gear:
Marshall MG30DFX (donation charity for an amp of standard capabilities is currently being set up)
Marshall Jackhammer distortion pedal
Morley Classic Wah pedal
And I did have a delay pedal around at some point which was ancient.

And i guess radio stations could make a good solo fill. Anyone else have interesting suggestions, please post and i can experiment

[jamesclelland]

When does he use that? Am I the only one that doesn't know what an Epilady is?

i think that they explained pretty well what it is. he uses it most notably on triad for that solo. i'm sure he uses it elsewhere but im not sure where

[magicbus]

lol ok...

i used to be able to pick up radio stations on my face with my jack lead...does that count?

I've picked up radiostations on my cousin's huge amp before, but not mine. If that's what you mean...

And I saw Adam on the Jurassic Park dvd :D

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I've picked up radiostations on my cousin's huge amp before, but not mine. If that's what you mean...


Same here, only I can only pick em up with my 10 watt Ibanez mini, not my Fender 50 watt bassman.

I'm gonna go try that TV remote thing. :D

[Maynard's Dick]

How do are you guys getting the radio stations? My friend once got one by touching the guitar jack with the cable, is that what you are doing?

[BlindWriting]

Dude, I love your icon... MRH is pimp juice!
Thanks man.

[TheSubtleArts]

my old amp would pick up some monk radio station and stuff, it was all wierd hums and chanting and it would always freak me out

[magicbus]

How do are you guys getting the radio stations? My friend once got one by touching the guitar jack with the cable, is that what you are doing?
Yea it was something like that. Just touching the jack, so it gets that fuzz. I didn't work on my amp, just this other old one we were using. Or maybe they're aren't any radio waves going by my house.

[jakrabit]

Theres like no tool goin on seriously man

[clearvision]

Fcuk you! the tool album will be here soon! Maybe veen by july!

[x the patient x6]

my 10 watt crate does the radio thing, i got som asian station

and the tv remote thing kind of works, its not very audible

[Darkness]

I just take the power AC adaptor and touch it on the rim of my RP100 and i get about 2 at the same time. There was another way..which I can't recall right now.

[BurtonChancellor]

my 10 watt crate does the radio thing, i got som asian station

and the tv remote thing kind of works, its not very audible
If you're going to try the TV remote thing, then turn the distortion on your guitar all the way up. When I tried it with my bass, you could barely hear it, but when I cranked the distortion all the way up, it was loud enough to freak out my dog downstairs.

[Darkness]

Nice name dude ^ Burton+Chancellor would be like..the greatest thing ever.

[jamesclelland]

i wasn't real impressed with the remote trick. i could find cool uses but i'm not looking for that kink of sound

[Epigoth]

What is the song Hooker with a ***** about?
Hooker with a P.enis

I met a boy
wearing Vans,
501s,
and a dope beastie-tee,
nipple rings,
and new tattoos

that claimed that he
was OGT,
from '92,
the first EP.

and in between
sips of coke
he told me
that he thought we

were sellin' out,
layin' down,
suckin' up
to the man.

Well now I've got some advice for you, little buddy.
Before you point the finger you should know that I'm the man,
and if I'm the man, then you're the man, and he's the man as well
so you can point that f.uckin' finger up your ***.

All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb f.uck. I sold out long before you ever heard my name.
I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip ****, and you bought one.

So I've got some Advice for you, little buddy.
Before you point your finger You should know that I'm the man.
If I'm the f.uckin' man then you're the f.uckin' man as well,
So you can Point that f.uckin' finger up your ***.

All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb f.uck. I sold out long before you ever heard my name.
I sold my soul to make a record, Dip ****, And you bought one.

All you
read and
Wear or
see and
Hear on
TV
Is a product
Begging
for your
Fatass
dirty
Dollar
So ...
Shut up and Buy
my
new record
Send more
money
F.uck you, buddy

my friend, this is quite a good question. the way i see it, hooker with a ***** is another way of talking about "fanboys", in the way that Maynard and the boys had "sold out before you ever heard my name" and that they had "sold my soul to make a record" (perhaps stating an athiest perspective to life as opposed to satanism or christianity)

I met a boy
wearing Vans,
501s,
and a dope beastie-tee,
nipple rings,
and new tattoos

that claimed that he
was OGT,
from '92,
the first EP.

the above may be a physical description of early-on "fanboys" where they tried to be what the media claims to be "hardcore" :evil: and when they meet with them/talk to them, the come out to this:

and in between
sips of coke
he told me
that he thought we

were sellin' out,
layin' down,
suckin' up
to the man.

here, the "fanboys" claim that Tool has sold out, and that they were 'sellin' out' , 'layin' down' (if the first album wasn't so hot, which i promise you, it was), 'sucking up to the man' (perhaps the head of a recording contract? :confused: ) Maynard then comes back with:

Well now I've got some advice for you, little buddy.
Before you point the finger you should know that I'm the man,
and if I'm the man, then you're the man, and he's the man as well
so you can point that f.uckin' finger up your ***.

here, he says that he sees it otherwise, and that he, infact, is the man, and therefore, random person to the left may be the man, and you may as well br the man, so the finger that he was (metaphorically) pointing at Tool can go up his tight little "fanboy" ***. He then explains this:

All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb f.uck. I sold out long before you ever heard my name.
I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip ****, and you bought one.

here, maynard continues explaining that the only time that he 'sold out' was before there even was a record, and that he in fact sold his soul to make it (perhaps showing his love for music, and fans othat feel the same), and to make it all the more ironic, this "fanboy" bought a record.

So I've got some Advice for you, little buddy.
Before you point your finger You should know that I'm the man.
If I'm the f.uckin' man then you're the f.uckin' man as well,
So you can Point that f.uckin' finger up your ***.

he then re-explains the fact that he is 'the f.uckin' man', and that 'you're the f.uckin' man as well' and to shove his little fanboy finger up his tight little ***. then, he takes the media, and crams it up the little twat's nose:

All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb f.uck. I sold out long before you ever heard my name.
I sold my soul to make a record, Dip ****, And you bought one.

All you
read and
Wear or
see and
Hear on
TV
Is a product
Begging
for your
Fatass
dirty
Dollar
So ...
Shut up and
Buy
my
new record
Send more
money
F.uck you, buddy

and then he shares his honest opinions on the little ignorant b@stard.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------

well, i hope this helps with your Tool Indulgences.

Just remember I will always love you, even as I tear your f.ucking throat away. :evil:

any comments can be sent to bungface@hotmail.com :thumb:

[Epigoth]

Yeah, It keeps saying "..And no eggs" but the song's title does translate to "the eggs of satan"...I am positive about this...Check it out.
maybe he thinks that the eggs belong to satan, therefore:

a) he doesnt deserve them, because satan is a higher being in his eyes, or
b) he thinks that the eggs belong to satan, and that only the worshippers of satan use eggs.

just my pov.

:evil:

[Otherside]

and that he in fact sold his soul to make it (perhaps showing his love for music, and fans othat feel the same)

When he said "sold my soul to make a record", what he hated was the fact that he had to become the thing he hated most.

[One Groovin Clown]

I'm reading the Lyrics to Jimmy right now. I've been trying to figure out a meaning behind it.


I've kind of gotten an image of a soldier, remembering why he is fighting this war and how his loved one will guide him safely home. The second verse where he chants eleven, i'm thinking that it is a symbol of Nov. 11 rememberance day.

This was a short interpretation of the song, but it's what i understand of it.

What are your thought about this song?

[clearvision]

In hooker...

The part about being OTT back in '92...this was when the band first hit the scene, Maynard tells him thats basically bollox to be OTT he'd have basically had to be IN the band, to be there from the beggining.

Jimmy is about Maynard just letting go of his abused childhood...Jimmy is the young version of James...Dead ohio sky implies it was MJK as he grew up In ohio...all the references to 11 is his age..:) i think...

[One Groovin Clown]

In hooker...

The part about being OTT back in '92...this was when the band first hit the scene, Maynard tells him thats basically bollox to be OTT he'd have basically had to be IN the band, to be there from the beggining.

Jimmy is about Maynard just letting go of his abused childhood...Jimmy is the young version of James...Dead ohio sky implies it was MJK as he grew up In ohio...all the references to 11 is his age..:) i think...


Yea that could work to, but as we all know it could be sometinh all together out of context.

BTW this is my second account, i forgot my password on the first one (CoopALoop)

[Adam Jones is GOD]

YOu sure you dont mean OGT? Which was the short hand for 'Official Gangster of Tool', some sort of fan base (probably fictional piss take, but without being around in tools early days, I dont know)

[clearvision]

Yeah thats what i wanted to put but i couldn't remember the specifics, but you knew what i meant though ;)

/pwn3d by the all knowing AJIG

[Otherside]

AJG have you read Nothing in this book is true, but it's exactly how it is? I was looking through it on amazon and saw something I thought was interesting...

"bill Cooper is now honorably discharged from the Navy. He states that in 1972, he saw two reports relating to the goverment involvement with alien creatures while working as a quartermaster with an intelligence brifing team for the U.S. Admiral Bernard A. Clarey then Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet. Bill served in that capacity from 1970 to 1973.
He states that the two reports he saw were: 1) Project GRUDGE/BLUE BOOK Report NO. 12 and 2) MAJORITY Briefing.
The GRUDGE report he saw contained about twenty five black and white photographs of "alien life forms" and information about them..."

I thought the name grudge was interesting as this book was supposed to be a Tool influence...

[clearvision]

I really want that book. I shall get my aunt to buy it when she comes over from yankee land next. Any-one apart form sonorken read it?

[Otherside]

Here's something else: "There is a field of energy that is fifty-five feet around the body that is geometrical and crystalline in nature. The remembering of this field is triggered by a series of metaphysical drawins that are light replicas of the 44+2 chromosomes in every cell of your body and specificaly in your pineal gland."


http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1583940677/ref=sib_dp_pt/104-6723802-3949543#reader-page

If you want to read the first few pages...

[clearvision]

It is supposed to be like a breif insight into the philosphies of tool. Dealing with the metaphysical ideas such as the 3rd eye, Merkaba, and the chromosome arrangement.

Dya reckon there is a free E-book floating about?

[Otherside]

Not that I'm aware of, but you might want to try soul seek..

[Adam Jones is GOD]

AJG have you read Nothing in this book is true, but it's exactly how it is? I was looking through it on amazon and saw something I thought was interesting...

Not yet, but SFK and various others have recommended it to me. Once im in a more fincancially stable period, and have less to read, I will get looking. So far i have Andy McNabs latest offering and The Salmon Of Doubt to read through.

But anything that gets me thinking or questioning I have to get a hold of

[magicbus]

Not yet, but SFK and various others have recommended it to me. Once im in a more fincancially stable period, and have less to read, I will get looking.of

I was gonna get that from the library, but it was out. :upset:

Instead I got some Carl Jung stuff, a book by Timothy Leary, and some stuff on the Golden Number.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I had no idea about MJK's abusive childhood. I figured that Jimmy was just about innocence and childhood in general. Guess I should have known something was up because the song is pretty heavy.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I wish Tool would put out a better DVD than Salival. And why the **** to they have Message to Harry Manback on it? That's ****ed up.

Anyways, I can't even find Salival anywhere except Amazon and on Amazon it's like $100.

[magicbus]

I've been trying to get it off Ebay. You might wanna check there.

[Fernandes Power]

I really want to get into TOOL... I went on the website though, and it seemed so pretentious and false... almost like they were just having a bit of fun with it (band member profiles specifically).

[Last Ditch Effort]

I really want to get into TOOL... I went on the website though, and it seemed so pretentious and false... almost like they were just having a bit of fun with it (band member profiles specifically).
Maynard always comes off as prententious.

1. Claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified.
2. Making or marked by an extravagant outward show; ostentatious. See Synonyms at showy.

He is a good showman and his statements are justified too.

[TrainTakeMeHome]

I really want to get into TOOL... I went on the website though, and it seemed so pretentious and false... almost like they were just having a bit of fun with it (band member profiles specifically).
It's just a joke. Start listening to a lot of Tool and you will be able to easily discern when the band is being serious and when they are joking around/having a bit of fun, as they are very commonly known to do. It's really quite funny.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

After a long awaited period of time, I finally got Ænima today. It's a lot different from Lateralus, but man, is it fooking kickass. Coolest album art I've ever seen.

[magicbus]

After a long awaited period of time, I finally got Ænima today. It's a lot different from Lateralus, but man, is it fooking kickass. Coolest album art I've ever seen.
Isn't it? Its my favorite album, even though Lateralus rules. Every song on Ænima is good. I love it.

[Darkness]

Every song on Lateralus is good to..The only problem with Ænima is all the little fillers..the only ones i like are message and von satan, and usefull idiot is needed..but the rest are to long.

[Last Ditch Effort]

Every song on Lateralus is good to..The only problem with Ænima is all the little fillers..the only ones i like are message and von satan, and usefull idiot is needed..but the rest are to long.
Nonetheless
an awesome CD.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Ok, so the peice of album art of the guy sitting on the ground...What is he doing? I have an idea, but...I really hope I'm wrong.

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

I like Ions :(

[Darkness]

Its just to long..

..specially since Third Eyes intro is so long.

[EliteX7]

YOu sure you dont mean OGT? Which was the short hand for 'Official Gangster of Tool', some sort of fan base (probably fictional piss take, but without being around in tools early days, I dont know)

I always thought OGT = Original Gangster Tool. :wave:
If this hasn't been mentioned (I doubt it hasn't): http://toolshed.down.net/faq/faq.html

[EliteX7]

Ok, so the peice of album art of the guy sitting on the ground...What is he doing? I have an idea, but...I really hope I'm wrong.

Giving himself head?! :lol:

[EliteX7]

Every song on Lateralus is good to..The only problem with Ænima is all the little fillers..the only ones i like are message and von satan, and usefull idiot is needed..but the rest are to long.

I think "Intermission" is a perfect 'filler' to come before "Jimmy".

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Giving himself head?! :lol:

:upset:

One of my life goals was to never see a guy give himself head. Crap.

FYI, that is what I had assumed.

[EliteX7]

:upset:

One of my life goals was to never see a guy give himself head. Crap.

FYI, that is what I had assumed.

You did know that you can switch the covers right and make it move? *Not trying to be an asshole :amaze:

[Darkness]

I forgot about intermission...I love that one.

And post all your stuff in one post rather then 10. (Just a suggestion)

[Kage]

Ok, so the peice of album art of the guy sitting on the ground...What is he doing? I have an idea, but...I really hope I'm wrong.

Have you tried slipping that into the front so becomes the cover? It is also a holographic image and it moves around. Same thing with the big eye, which is my favorite one and I keep as the cover.

[EliteX7]

The eye is also my cover and how do I quote more than one person at once? :thumb:

[Darkness]

Just do the quote html thing then copy and paste what they said..thats what I do.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Have you tried slipping that into the front so becomes the cover? It is also a holographic image and it moves around. Same thing with the big eye, which is my favorite one and I keep as the cover.

Yeah, it was the first thing I did when I bought it. I really like the eye too. Is there some kind of symbolism to the white square on the front that comes default?

[Darkness]

It looks like a splash of something..

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

G10. Who was Bill Hicks?
A comedian, well-liked by the band. He passed away a few years ago. Notice he is listed in the liner notes for "Undertow" as well. And no, he didn't paint that painting, it was done by Kevin Willis (see Question E7). He has four CDs released on Rykodisc last spring; one of them is entitled "Arizona Bay."
Hicks had a strong influence on the band's work, which becomes clear after giving his CDs a listen. On a related note, Jordan Geiger (wngeiger@vax1.rainis.net) suggests another place you might want to check for insights into "Ænima" (such as LA falling, "Third Eye", "Forty-Six & 2", the artwork): "Nothing In This Book Is True But It Is Exactly How Things Are" by Bob Frissell (one of the many books on Tool's suggested reading list). More on Hicks as we go on...

Is Bill Hicks the guy talking at the beginning of "Third Eye?"

EDIT: Never mind, I finished reading that huge FAQ, and it is him. :thumb:

Good FAQ, to whoever posted it.

[ÆnemÆ]

there is quite an in depth reply to 46 and 2 located here

helped me work out the basic background to this song

[conciousuniverse]

You all should really read "Nothing in this book is true, but its exactly how things are" and also "You are a spiritual being having a human experience".... if you have the extra time and cash also look for "the spectrum of conciousness" its a huge book and explains everything...which is nothing... but i dont want to trip yall out, so just read those books...

also, check out this link, which ive posted before (and didnt get much response, because it seems that yall arent into the philosophies behind tool) but ill post again, hopefully someone will find it useful, as my friends and i did.

"Lateralus Meanings" (http://www.toolpantheon.com/lateralus_meanings.htm)

**Before you get the new album**
Also, Danny Carey suggested reading about the temple of solomon and his magick, in order to be "prepared". A good book covering this would be, "The Magick of Solomon" by Poke Runyun.


Comments welcome.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I've read that before, and I really think it is digging perhaps a little too deep. I can buy the whole alternate tracklist, but, the whole paralells to the Qabala thing is a little too heavy for me. Bear in mind that one of Tool's main philosophies is "don't beleive everything you hear." :thumb:

[conciousuniverse]

Thanks for commenting.

I guess it seems heavy. I can understand that its a lot of information to process.
But if you are in to meditation and this kind of lifestyle its very helpful, especially for the artist. Also, I don't believe everything I see or hear, but it would be a good idea to be aware of influences. For example, the Enochian Mandalas that appear everywhere in Tool's presence, including atop Danny's drums. Maynard himself has stated that many people dont realize what they have to offer and what the purpose of the music is.

Anyway, I know it weighs a lot, but put yourself in that vunerable space, and open up to the possibility.



BTW, some people were saying they didnt like the 'filler' material on the albums, someone also wrote that the intro to 'third eye' was too long... man, i could write many things, but ill just request that you listen to "ticks and leeches" on repeat, until you get it.

[jensmatty]

ill just request that you listen to "ticks and leeches" on repeat, until you get it.

I tried to go to sleep doing that... Worst night ever haha.

[Werny]

conciousuniverse, I like all of the symbolism and everything but I'm really too young to understand it all, I'm only 15. Nevertheless I do find listening to Tool a great assistance for other artistic ventures. Listening to Reflection is a soul lifting, life making experience.

Oh, and I cracked up laughing at your Ticks and Leeches comment. I myself completely love every moment that Tool has ever produced and every journey they have taken me on. Of course there are some tracks I would rather listen to then others, but there are no tracks I would ever skip.

I have one quarrel; for those people who analyzed HWAP and Die Eier Von Satan, realise that you're looking with a philosophical eye into a bunch of jokes. HWAP is an insult to little kids that say they sold out, and Die Eier Von Satan is a joke, reminiscent of Soundgarden's 665/667, that is making fun of the notion that Tool are satanic.

[conciousuniverse]

Werny, thanks for your comments on my post.

I say, the information has found its way to you & your mind reacts regardless of age.

Im happy you found the cynicism in "Ticks and Leeches."

Also, HWAP = Maynard is a whore. More cyncism.
Funny 'cause it's truuue.

[conciousuniverse]

I tried to go to sleep doing that... Worst night ever haha.

jensmatty, that is impressive. Haha...

If you're in that mental groove, you could hypnotize yourself, listening to it or any of their many other songs.

[conciousuniverse]

Sorry to be double posting or whatever.

I found this ... it's very promissing.

"TOOL: A Book of Interpretations"
Compiled by: Steven Caddy

http://www.vanillacircus.net/book/tool_book.pdf

It may take a while, but I hope it helps.

[Kage]

Yeah, it was the first thing I did when I bought it. I really like the eye too. Is there some kind of symbolism to the white square on the front that comes default?

I don't know, I've been trying to figure that out as it appears in several places including the videos for Stinkfist and AEnema, etc. Obviously there's the eye symbolism there, but I'm unclear as to what it all means.

As for Lateralus, I think there's a lot that could be interpreted as to its meanings and the various influences that went into making the album. But I think it's more of a personal venture than one of archetypal meanings.

[magicbus]

My favorite songs on Ænima are probably Stinkfist, H., Pu****, and Ænema, and I love the fillers on Ænima. Who cares if they're fillers? They're still cool.

Also, on the live Third Eye, its Timothy Leary at the beginning, in case you ever listen to it.

Do you guys like the live version of Pu****?

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

Do you guys like the live version of Pu****?
It's only the greatest song ever. Theres been a long debate about whether Pu**** Live is greater then Third Eye Live. I choose the former.

[superpeer]

I haven't heard a single Tool song that was good, I've heard some that were average. But most were so very bland and boring. :-/

[magicbus]

I haven't heard a single Tool song that was good, I've heard some that were average. But most were so very bland and boring. :-/
Have you heard Lateralus? That one's pretty epic.

[superpeer]

Heh, I don't really remember which songs I have heard. But I remember that they all bored me, some more than others.

[magicbus]

Heh, I don't really remember which songs I have heard. But I remember that they all bored me, some more than others.
:upset:

[superpeer]

Same goes for APC. But at least they have less fanboys.

[superpeer]

:lol: Oops, I could've sworn this was the community thread, sorry guys.

*backs off*

[clearvision]

*Brandishes Knife...*

Meh tool aren't for everyone, but they are definateley an album band...

Check out aenima if you have a chance

[Darkness]

I guess it seems heavy. I can understand that its a lot of information to
BTW, some people were saying they didnt like the 'filler' material on the albums, someone also wrote that the intro to 'third eye' was too long... man, i could write many things, but ill just request that you listen to "ticks and leeches" on repeat, until you get it.

I love Ticks & Leeches, its one of my fav tracks off of Lateralus and I also love Third Eye, I didn't say it was a bad thing to have a long intro but having 3:59 min of static before it (-ions) was.. a little pointless.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Superpeer, I take it you aren't a prog rock fan and you aren't patient.

Songs that right to the point are 46 & 2, Stinkfist, Intolerance, Sober, and Hooker With a ***** etc. If you like just those types of songs then you wouldn't like Lateralus at all.

Ænima and Undertow are my favorite albums but I like Lateralus too.

[clearvision]

I know it's a haven for fanboys etc in here, but critiscising someone opinion just because you like a band is pretty foolish...-rep

[clearvision]

Indeed, i think the h4xd fans find a small thread and run with it...

A couple of pages back i posted something i read on toolshed about messages coming from adam danny and justin in ticks + leeches. I cannot see how anyone could purposefully write that into the music, and alot of these little bits of info are either coincidental or not 100% correct.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

If that was directed at me, I wasn't criticizing his opinion. Just asking if he had listened to those songs. I can understand if you don't like a band, but those songs are ANYthing but boring.

[crazymonkey]

Hey, anyone got any news on tools latest realease, i've read all i can on toolband to find out, but no new info's come up in a while i really can't wait till it comes out, some of the new stuff thats been described sounds amazing, like the song known as lk (working title.) Anyway anyone got any clues?

[clearvision]

Toolbands jelly bean article is the onyl inof we have....

[EliteX7]

It's only the greatest song ever. Theres been a long debate about whether Pu**** Live is greater then Third Eye Live. I choose the former.

I choose Push-it live over Third eye, the Salival Push-it is probably one of my favorite songs. :cool:

[Otherside]

Superpeer is hXc.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I'll take Third Eye studio but Pu$hit live.

[rage_h87]

pu**** live definetly (sp?)

[Kage]

I'm sorry but Third Eye live is just incredible. Am I correct in saying that Pshit live is the one where they do a different rendition of the song?

Third Eye, definately.

[Dancin' Man]

Third Eye Live is a million times better than the Aenima version. Same with Pushit.

[The JoZ]

Third Eye live > All forms of Pushit IMO :cool:

[Kage]

Third Eye live > All forms of Pushit IMO :cool:

123.

[TheSubtleArts]

Third Eye live > All forms of Pushit IMO :cool:

deffinetly

[Kage]

I'm listening to Third Eye live right now...I just don't know how you could overlook the greatness of this.

[jamesclelland]

third eye live and studio sound pretty close to me, but to make third eye sound that good live is amazing

[TheSubtleArts]

ive never heard Third Eye live, but i love the album version

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I really want to get into TOOL... I went on the website though, and it seemed so pretentious and false... almost like they were just having a bit of fun with it (band member profiles specifically).

I thought the same thing too before I got into them some years back. Somebody here said it perfectly: you have to discern when they're being serious and when they aren't.

Die Er Von Satan is tongue and cheek, for example. I love that filler song, btw.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Eulogy, a serious song, in my eyes, is very intelligent and truthful.

Third Eye has some philosophy behind it and may come off as pretentious.

[conciousuniverse]

For those of you who missed this post.

" TOOL : A Book of Interpretations " (http://www.vanillacircus.net/book/tool_book.pdf)


Slowly, but surely yall are coming around.

"Since the one thing we can say about fundemental matter is that it is vibrating. And since all vibration is theoretically sound, then it is not unreasonable to suggest that the universe is music and should be percieved as such" ......uni-verse......- Joachim Ernst-Berendt

"Some people go to church, I go to Tool concerts." -Andy Augspurger

(Do you hate people?)
"Pretty much, I would have to say absolutely."
(Why?)
"Ignorance." - MJK

"I think psychedelics play a major part in what we do, but having said that, I feel that if somebody's going to experiment with those things they really need to educate themselves about them. People just taking the chemicals and diving in without having any kind of preparation about what they're about to experience tend to have no frame of reference, so they're missing everything flying by and all these new perspectives. It's just a waste. They reach a little bit of spiritual enlightenment, but they end up going, 'Well, now I need that drug to get back there again.' The trick is to use the drugs once to get there, and maybe spend the next ten years trying to get back there without the drug." - MJK

"They are known to make people feel better, so that's our feel good song of the record..." Danny Carey on (-)ions.

"...kids will mosh to anything these days, but there are those people in the crowd that the music reaches on a deeper psychological and subconscious level..." - Danny Carey

"Our music is designed to inspire - to create thought - and no matter where we are, and how many people may be in the audience, that's where our efforts go." - Adam Jones

"...if you listen carefully you can hear the rubble subsiding into a glorious new landscape. Only then are you afforded the clarity of mind essential to pry open your third eye..." - Justin Chancellor

"Cause you know, if you play New Kids on the Block albums backwards, they sound better. "Oh come on, Bill, they're the New Kids, don't pick on them, they're so good and they're so clean cut and they're such a good image for the children." **** that. When did mediocrity and banality become a good image for your children? I want my children to listen to people who ****ing rocked." -Bill Hicks


"CAUTION: Proper use of the brain is not endorsed by federal governments nor huge corporations involved in serious financial profit from a brainwashed and enslaved population. Mild discomfort may occur as confusing independent thought challenges your current view of the world...Information is power. THINK FOR YOURSELF." -Timothy Leary

[ticks_&_leeches]

The push it live version is awesome. my choice. and hey dream theater guy how about you chill out on calling people retards ok? be nice

[magicbus]

"CAUTION: Proper use of the brain is not endorsed by federal governments nor huge corporations involved in serious financial profit from a brainwashed and enslaved population. Mild discomfort may occur as confusing independent thought challenges your current view of the world...Information is power. THINK FOR YOURSELF." -Timothy Leary

"Think for yourself, question authority." I think that's Timothy Leary's favorite motto. He says it like 4 million times in this book I'm reading by him.

[conciousuniverse]

magicbus, that "caution" quote is so important for people to grasp or at least be exposed to.

Here in Austin, Tx we have ACTV where you can make your own TV shows, Timothy Leary pioneered this program, for our freedom. Old clips of Bill Hicks come on a lot, Alex Jones (conspiracy theorist) and lots of other enlightening locally created shows are aired. Anyway, the cable monopoly is consolidating all of the ACTV channels and trying to stiffle our creative outlet. Leary is rolling in his grave.


Here some different Tool icons and such:
Tool Themes (http://www.picgames.com/buddy-icons/buddy-icons.php?s=Tool&page=1)

ENjoy

[Kage]

I think Leary is just a little bit too cynical for my tastes.

[Maynard's Dick]

I would hesitate to label tracks like "useful idiot" or "(-) ions" filler. Music is an awful lot more than just a little box of conventions. Just because a recording produced by a rock band doesnt have vocals, guitars, etc, doesn't mean there can't be meaning or merit to it.

[Kage]

I would hesitate to label tracks like "useful idiot" or "(-) ions" filler. Music is an awful lot more than just a little box of conventions. Just because a recording produced by a rock band doesnt have vocals, guitars, etc, doesn't mean there can't be meaning or merit to it.

I agree, I have trouble calling the "fillers" on both AEnima and Lateralus fillers, because I really think they add to the album as a whole. Granted, they're not exactly songs, but I still think they are more brief insight into the greater meaning of what is being portrayed from song to song.

[Maynard's Dick]

I definately agree with you Kage.
I think that sometimes its necessary to communicate a message in an unconventional way. To that end, sometimes an album should be thought of as more than just a collection of songs but as one piece of music.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

The songs have meaning, sure... They transition to other songs. But they don't have any depth at all. Ions is JUST static. They're filler songs, deal with it.

[Darkness]

In Chains is right.

[Kage]

Yeah, we might be reading to far into it, but who knows? It still sounds cool and if nothing else is a good transition.

[conciousuniverse]

"They are known to make people feel better, so that's our feel good song of the record..." Danny Carey on (-)ions.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

"They are known to make the song list of the album look more impressive"
~Danny Carey's subconscious on (-)Ions

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

If anybody has Gmail, do you think you could send me live versions of Push it and/or Third Eye?

rep++ if you do.

spiralout7@gmail.com

EDIT: I'm out, so I will leave you with a few words from the liner notes of Ænima

See You Auntie

:lol: Get it?

If not, say each syllable slowly.

[BlindWriting]

(-)Ions is the only Tool "filler" I've ever disliked. It takes too much time to get into Third Eye, so I generally skip that one. But I disagree with the statement that the first five minutes or so of Third Eye is boring. The whole song is great, and Maynard's vocal melody, especially for the "I've missed you so much" part is spectacular.

[conciousuniverse]

got you thinking in a different perspective.

anyway, the track (-)ions is a creative expression of the subject.
of course, if you care that much to include a track about ions.
it is interesting that they didnt compose a (+)ions...what would have that sounded like, a vaccuum? (-)ions fits well, as a breath and a pause, a refreshing calm after the 'flushing away' of aenema and to the opening up of third eye.

they are krafty...

[opeth_oasis]

ions sounds great on good headphones

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Yeah, I've changed my opinion of Third Eye. But I have to listen to it with the volume cranked WAYY up. It's a mindblowing song. Shiver down spine quality.

The beginning of the song, the beginning/main guitar line before the first lyrics, and when Maynard says "singing one familiar song... SO GOOD TO SEE YOU, I'VE MISSED YOU SO MUCH" -- it just gives me a great feeling.

Corny, yes, but I DON'T GIVE A ****! lol

[EliteX7]

Did you guys ever hear hidden/subliminal sort of messages. You can hear some sort of talking in (-) Ions and Cesaro Summability. I remember reading about them it lots of songs, but it just might be crazy talk.

[mudvayne420]

You all should really read "Nothing in this book is true, but its exactly how things are" and also "You are a spiritual being having a human experience".... if you have the extra time and cash also look for "the spectrum of conciousness" its a huge book and explains everything...which is nothing... but i dont want to trip yall out, so just read those books...

also, check out this link, which ive posted before (and didnt get much response, because it seems that yall arent into the philosophies behind tool) but ill post again, hopefully someone will find it useful, as my friends and i did.

"Lateralus Meanings" (http://www.toolpantheon.com/lateralus_meanings.htm)

**Before you get the new album**
Also, Danny Carey suggested reading about the temple of solomon and his magick, in order to be "prepared". A good book covering this would be, "The Magick of Solomon" by Poke Runyun.


Comments welcome.



ehh. that was pretty weird if your an open-minded person. i like what they said about Disposition, it really does relate to it in the mood and tone of the song. Also in reflection and triad, Especially liked what he said about the moon and all, and the thing about the christianity stuff(if you read it notice it creates a cross in the middle, and the silence in triad could be what he meant by "to listen you must be silent" and he also stated that when you pass listen to the lovingness of all the people helping you reach the top, pretty good explaination indeed.

[conciousuniverse]

mudvayne, thanks for your comments on the post.

I gotta take a break from Tool tonight and surrender to the keys and siren of Tori Amos.

Hmm, what are the chances of the new Tool album being a double disc?

[Magicaltroll]

mudvayne, thanks for your comments on the post.

I gotta take a break from Tool tonight and surrender to the keys and siren of Tori Amos.

Hmm, what are the chances of the new Tool album being a double disc?
i can only hope...

[Corganschild]

Hey all,

I've just gotten into Tool about a month ago.. I listened to them a little before but now I'm truly getting into them. I have yet to dig deep into the meanings behind their lyrics, and I know I may sound like a moron for saying this, but I think even listening to the music itself can be challenging and stimulating to your brain because of the odd time signatures and all.

One song that I am hooked on though is 4 Degrees. The line, "I'll kill what you want me to, take what's left and eat it," is one of the most incredible lines I've heard in a song. To me that song is about seeing a person who isn't living up to his/her potential, and taking action to help them get back on their feet and be all they are capable of being. That specific line to me says, "I will take away your enemies, your demons inside, and if anything's leftover, I'll get rid of that too." It displays such a selfless act of love.. even going as far as self-sacrificing in order to help this person the other believes in so strongly. I would love a man to say that line to me, hehe.

I hope it hasn't been discussed before, if so, I'm sorry. I'd like to hear others' opinions on this song, because I usually seem to be pretty off. You should have seen my interpretation of APC's Pet, hehe.

Well goodnight for now.

[Merkaba]

Hey all,

I've just gotten into Tool about a month ago.. I listened to them a little before but now I'm truly getting into them. I have yet to dig deep into the meanings behind their lyrics, and I know I may sound like a moron for saying this, but I think even listening to the music itself can be challenging and stimulating to your brain because of the odd time signatures and all.

One song that I am hooked on though is 4 Degrees. The line, "I'll kill what you want me to, take what's left and eat it," is one of the most incredible lines I've heard in a song. To me that song is about seeing a person who isn't living up to his/her potential, and taking action to help them get back on their feet and be all they are capable of being. That specific line to me says, "I will take away your enemies, your demons inside, and if anything's leftover, I'll get rid of that too." It displays such a selfless act of love.. even going as far as self-sacrificing in order to help this person the other believes in so strongly. I would love a man to say that line to me, hehe.

I hope it hasn't been discussed before, if so, I'm sorry. I'd like to hear others' opinions on this song, because I usually seem to be pretty off. You should have seen my interpretation of APC's Pet, hehe.

Well goodnight for now.

Well welcome corganschild(**** corgan he stole my paz from apc!) just kidding.

Its a symbolic song. The anus is supposedly 4 degrees warmer than the vagina....now let MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE........in. Its another stinkfist

[Corganschild]

Well welcome corganschild(**** corgan he stole my paz from apc!) just kidding.

Its a symbolic song. The anus is supposedly 4 degrees warmer than the vagina....now let MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE........in. Its another stinkfist

True, of course the sexual overtones are always there.. it's always some sexual something with Maynard isn't it. But hopefully there was meant to be a deeper meaning in it, I'd like to think so anyway. This song has some sort of sentimental value to me now too, I guess that's another reason why I like it, hehe.

And hey don't worry, Zwan broke up anyway so Paz is no longer Billy's. You can have her back now. :)

[jensmatty]

Its a symbolic song. The anus is supposedly 4 degrees warmer than the vagina....now let MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE........in. Its another stinkfist

When I first found out that.. I read through the lyrics... and almost every line refers to it. I had minor nightmares...

[Corganschild]

When I first found out that.. I read through the lyrics... and almost every line refers to it. I had minor nightmares...

Come on guys, don't destroy my fantasy.

[conciousuniverse]

Corganschild, I like your post.

imo, the songs are meant to apply to each listeners experience.
one day you might feel sexy and explore that side of the song, another day you might feel dispare in trying to help a friend (us the listeners or your own personal relationship) to self discovery.

welcome to the forum.
tool is a leader in the artist collective.
we support them and they support us!
discover all your hidden treasures and share them with the collective :)




oh and welcome to the forum!!

[Werny]

conciousuniverse, I thank you for showing these things to us, particularly the Adobe Acrobat book that I just spent an hour reading. It opened up so many unimaginable possibilities, I only dream of applying so much knowledge to observations!

Oh, and when reading the Ticks & Leeches lyrics, I realised that they DO swear in Lateralus. I'm glad to see that they are gradually finding more means to express their emotions then simple cursing.

I have one problem with this book though; why does he place Lateralus, Disposition and Reflection together? He just says that fans commonly say this. I don't think he realises that Disposition (his explanation opened up a lot of thought for me), Reflection and Triad are linked together on the sleeve of the packaging >_<

For all those who have yet to be affected by Tool
It will hit you when you least expect
But don't listen and think "ok, a few more listens, and if it hasn't grown on me, I'm leaving"
They are your own
Tool's songs are your's to experience
Don't listen for cool riffs, awesome effects and sweet basslines
Listen for a meaning, listen for the voice grabbing you, listen to the "feel".

Happy Tooling!

[HerMelin]

Does anyone know about the weird movements Maynard does live? It looks like theres something wrong with his balance.

[conciousuniverse]

Werny, thanks for your comments!

I believe you are correct about Disposition, Reflection and Triad.
It works that way on the Qabala, as well.

However, depending on where you choose to begin and it is also interchangeable with Lateralus, Disposition and then Reflection.

That reminds me... Once upon a time while listening to Triad on a good dose of X, I experienced a hallucination/vision of a giant muscle, not unlike a brain, but not as defined. There was an enormous amout of movement and force, to the rhythm of Triad. I am trying to find a nice way to animate this idea, to share the experience with others. Gee, I hope that wasnt too incriminating...Eh, feel free not to comment on this.

[magicbus]

If anybody has Gmail, do you think you could send me live versions of Push it and/or Third Eye?

rep++ if you do.

spiralout7@gmail.com

EDIT: I'm out, so I will leave you with a few words from the liner notes of Ænima

See You Auntie

:lol: Get it?

If not, say each syllable slowly.

My Gmail's not working right now, but when I go to my dad's house later I'll send you them then.

[TheSubtleArts]

Does anyone know about the weird movements Maynard does live? It looks like theres something wrong with his balance.

i just thought he was high

[clearvision]

I tried Gmailing the files, they are too big though.

[EliteX7]

I sent him push-it I think. :wave:

[jamesclelland]

does anyone know what synth adam uses? after hearing reflection i must know. playing guitar and synth on two different time sigs at the same time is amazing

[Kage]

Though I can't answer your question, I just have to say that upon hearing Reflection for the first time, I think it changed my life. Such an amazingly good song.

[TrainTakeMeHome]

YEah dude, Tool are just amazing. They've influenced my life in so many positive ways. I'd say they're the only band that have had such a profound impact on me.

[pigonthewing82]

You know ever since Lateralus (sp? sorry) they have become more mainstream. I hope this doesn't have an effect on their music. I don't think it will......but it wouldn't be the first time somthing like that happened to a great band like that.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I doubt it will effect their music. They have been fairly mainstream ever since Ænima. You have to be a fairly well known band to win a Grammy, correct? So, as of yet, it has had no effect.

[BlindWriting]

YEah dude, Tool are just amazing. They've influenced my life in so many positive ways. I'd say they're the only band that have had such a profound impact on me.
The whole of Lateralus as an album really influenced and inspired me as a musician and a listener. I can honestly say that Tool's music has changed me as a person, all for the better. It really inspired me on so many levels.
The moment tickets go on sale in the NYC area, I'm definitely buying a few. I would love to see them live (and witness Maynard's ape-like stage presence).

[pigonthewing82]

I doubt it will effect their music. They have been fairly mainstream ever since Ænima. You have to be a fairly well known band to win a Grammy, correct? So, as of yet, it has had no effect.

Well I guess thats true, but well I guess what I mean is since Lateralus I've seen a bigger poser fan base.

[EliteX7]

Well I guess thats true, but well I guess what I mean is since Lateralus I've seen a bigger poser fan base.

OGT represent. :lol:

[BlindWriting]

OGT represent. :lol:
Well, I've got some advice for you, little buddy!

[jamesclelland]

even since undertow they had some mainstream attention. that didn't effect aenima or lateralus in anyway, in fact aenima and lateralus are my favorites. they believe in the music so much that i don't think they'll fall to the mainstream syndrome. they may change to a style i may not like(gods forbid) but they wont catch the infamous syndrome

[Magicaltroll]

Well, I've got some advice for you, little buddy!
Before you point your finger you should know that im the man...
:cool:
tool is also one of my favorite bands

[EliteX7]

even since undertow they had some mainstream attention. that didn't effect aenima or lateralus in anyway, in fact aenima and lateralus are my favorites. they believe in the music so much that i don't think they'll fall to the mainstream syndrome. they may change to a style i may not like(gods forbid) but they wont catch the infamous syndrome

The mainstream attention could have been positive, it doesn't always have to be negative! But, I don't think we can find out whether or not the attention had anything to do with it.

[EliteX7]

Well, I've got some advice for you, little buddy!

Learn to swim, learn to swim, learn to swim, learn to swim... :wave:

[DrummerFreakYo]

i hated the sh¡t out of tool for a long time, and the only song i heard was schism. but today i dowloaded aenema, lateralus and the grudge. they have great guitar/bass lines and there drums are pretty cool. the only thing is i dont realy like the vocals.

[EliteX7]

i hated the sh¡t out of tool for a long time, and the only song i heard was schism. but today i dowloaded aenema, lateralus and the grudge. they have great guitar/bass lines and there drums are pretty cool. the only thing is i dont realy like the vocals.

Try Disposition, Reflection and Triad. These are great songs, listen to them in that order to because they all go together. Not very much singing, if you don't like Maynard's style/voice.