Tool

[G_Mac07]

Thanks mate, I meant the opening part when you have to use the volume knob.

The tab I had just said to do a really big pick swell, and I had no idea what that was. So I was basically screwing around trying to do pick scrapes while turn up the volume. :upset:

I'll give your way a go tomorrow night when I can use my amp again. Thanks.

[XyleM]

I remember reading something about Tools next album being heavier because they have been influenced by Meshuggah who they they were touring with or something, I may have read that in here I can't remember though,

Anyone else heard anything of the sort.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

You probably read it in here, on 100 other tool sites and from the woman at the bus stop telling you. Its something thats been around for ages now, so you could have heard it from anywhere.

And yes, we are all very excited about this.

[Kurrpt]

You probably read it in here, on 100 other tool sites and from the woman at the bus stop telling you. Its something thats been around for ages now, so you could have heard it from anywhere.

And yes, we are all very excited about this.


i think MJK poops gold, and i will love the album regardless of how it sounds :thumb:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

MJK is probably the last person in the band to be flawless IMO. His track recoed against the other members show that he is most liable to mess up. But still, no danger of a major mess up with this album

[Kurrpt]

MJK is probably the last person in the band to be flawless IMO. His track recoed against the other members show that he is most liable to mess up. But still, no danger of a major mess up with this album


haha, im not sure if i agree with that statement, but i would say TOoL would be nothing without MJK. The same goes for APC

[Kage]

MJK is probably the last person in the band to be flawless IMO. His track recoed against the other members show that he is most liable to mess up. But still, no danger of a major mess up with this album

What do you mean by mess up?

[XyleM]

haha, im not sure if i agree with that statement, but i would say TOoL would be nothing without MJK. The same goes for APC

This is very true.

However without Adam Jones or Danny Carey the band wouldn't be anything either.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Well they wouldn't have half as many fans without him, but the unique sound would have still attracted people. And APC would have been ok with just Billy's vocals,he has a good voice too. Unfortunately, most people would never have listened to them if it wasnt for MJK's presence.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

What do you mean by mess up?

Looking more at his APC trrack record. On the whole, he's done great there, but with eMOTIVE, we saw that he can be involved in some utter crap too.

/me thinks i've struck a nerve here

[XyleM]

Well they wouldn't have half as many fans without him, but the unique sound would have still attracted people. And APC would have been ok with just Billy's vocals,he has a good voice too. Unfortunately, most people would never have listened to them if it wasnt for MJK's presence.

I'm one of those people :upset:

[Kurrpt]

Well they wouldn't have half as many fans without him, but the unique sound would have still attracted people. And APC would have been ok with just Billy's vocals,he has a good voice too. Unfortunately, most people would never have listened to them if it wasnt for MJK's presence.


i think we are argueing to different points. Im just saying anything he touches turns to gold. Like he has the hand of Midas (mitus?) or something. Obviously the dude is human, which means he cant be perfect. I think his vocal range is awesome

did you ever see MJK live?

[Kage]

Looking more at his APC trrack record. On the whole, he's done great there, but with eMOTIVE, we saw that he can be involved in some utter crap too.

/me thinks i've struck a nerve here

haha. Well, I agree i thought eMOTIVE was terrible, but I can forgive him as it wasn't original material from him. Pretty much all the stuff he writes I think has been good, and I doubt he'll dissapoint with the new stuff. My only worry is that (I'm not sure on this correct me if I'm wront) a lot of the instrumentals were written in his absence, so it might have less of a tight feel as far as the vocals go.

[Kurrpt]

Looking more at his APC trrack record. On the whole, he's done great there, but with eMOTIVE, we saw that he can be involved in some utter crap too.

/me thinks i've struck a nerve here


i think eMOTIVE kicks butt....STOP YOUR BLASPHEMY

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I have, once he was on top form, the other he seemed uninterested, but still delievered.

And im well aware his postives far outweigh his negatives. I am no heathen :)

[G_Mac07]

Looking more at his APC trrack record. On the whole, he's done great there, but with eMOTIVE, we saw that he can be involved in some utter crap too.

/me thinks i've struck a nerve here

At least your not a MJK fanboy. I spent a good hour or so arguing with Maynard fanboys last weekend about various Tool issues. It frustrated me so much that people can just write off the rest of the band, and state that anything great Tool produces is the work of Maynard. And eMOTIVE was most definately a let down.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

haha. Well, I agree i thought eMOTIVE was terrible, but I can forgive him as it wasn't original material from him. Pretty much all the stuff he writes I think has been good, and I doubt he'll dissapoint with the new stuff. My only worry is that (I'm not sure on this correct me if I'm wront) a lot of the instrumentals were written in his absence, so it might have less of a tight feel as far as the vocals go.

Happened with Lateralus too, but we all know the happy ending behind that....

[Kage]

Happened with Lateralus too, but we all know the happy ending behind that....

ah, I didn't know that. Well then I guess I shouldn't be worried.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

At least your not a MJK fanboy. I spent a good hour or so arguing with Maynard fanboys last weekend about various Tool issues. It frustrated me so much that people can just write off the rest of the band, and state that anything great Tool produces is the work of Maynard. And eMOTIVE was most definately a let down.

No, im an Adam Jones fanboy :p
But yes, I think im more on your wavelength with this one.

[Kurrpt]

Happened with Lateralus too, but we all know the happy ending behind that....


well, most of the time they come up with the parts on their own, and they play with them in practice sessions or what not.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

yeah, i knew Adam works on his parts alone, in his amazing attic. Effect pedal heaven

[Kage]

I think MJK is what often attracts new listeners to Tool. That was the case with me, anyway. I love the way he sang and his melodies, but after listening to them for a while I started really appreciating the beauty behind the instrumentals. Now AJ is one of, if not my favorite guitarist.

[XyleM]

yeah, i knew Adam works on his parts alone, in his amazing attic. Effect pedal heaven

:lol: So very very true.

I bet he has as many as Mike Einzigner uses for his live performance ;)

[Kurrpt]

I think MJK is what often attracts new listeners to Tool. That was the case with me, anyway. I love the way he sang and his melodies, but after listening to them for a while I started really appreciating the beauty behind the instrumentals. Now AJ is one of, if not my favorite guitarist.


actually, i would have agreed with you when i first started (in '96), but actually it was Adams riffs, i just didnt realize it until i started playing guitar. I think his voice deff stands out. Adam just uses so many weird sounds/effects, that a lot of people forget hes actually playing an axe :thumb:

[Danny Carey is GOD]

Anyone else agree that Justin is the least popular band member? I rarely see anyone mention him, it's always Maynard Adam or Danny. I don't know much about bass playing, but, hes pretty **** good as well right?

[G_Mac07]

Anyone else agree that Justin is the least popular band member? I rarely see anyone mention him, it's always Maynard Adam or Danny. I don't know much about bass playing, but, hes pretty **** good as well right?

Consider yourself repped. I find one of Tool's most distinguishing aspects are the very prominant bass lines by Justin. I don't know why he doesn't recieve as much attention as the others, perhaps because he was a replacement for Paul D'Amour. Although his earlier work with Peach was also great.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Justin is quiet guy compared to MJK and Danny. maybe he gets less publicity over in the US because he's english :angry:
But yes, his playing is amazing, and im sure those in the know never overlook it.

[clearvision]

Justin's lines are often quietly mixed. And the stuff that isn't quiet is normally high stuff that people think are guitars. This is why justin is normally overlooked.

[-Obscurity-]

Justin's lines are often quietly mixed. And the stuff that isn't quiet is normally high stuff that people think are guitars. This is why justin is normally overlooked.

He also doesn't stick to the "typical" bass sound. He uses delay, chorus, flangers, etc. to often give the bass an atmospheric sound. Justin is definitely not overlooked by me, he is an AWESOME bass player.

[BassInvader]

good point, alot of people dont realize that the familiar line of schism is being played on a bass, same with 46 and 2 and certain parts of the grudge, parabola, disposition, and a few others. I think one of the toughest songs of his to play on bass is reflection, but i melt every time i play the parts where you slide up the neck (so crucify the ego...). Before i learned to play bass i could never figure out why those sections of the song really stood out to me.

[BassInvader]

and yeah, i'm a JC fanboy

[TheSubtleArts]

JC was one of my biggest idles wen i started playing bass a few years ago, hes deffinetlly one of the best, at least of the music i listen to. im a Atam fanboy tho, he got me into guitar playing.

[magicbus]

He's an amazing bassist. I really like how he does all that harmonic and popping stuff. Very cool.

[-Obscurity-]

He's an amazing bassist. I really like how he does all that harmonic and popping stuff. Very cool.

Definitely, he really completed the band. (sorry Paul)

[Kurrpt]

im sure if i played bass id be even more into him

[magicbus]

im sure if i played bass id be even more into him
Me too. I play guitar though. Adam Jones is also amazing, and an excellent riff writer.

[Kage]

I don't talk about him his as often but I definately don't overlook him. I realize his huge contribution to the sound. I love his lines and the way he and Adam move inside and out of each other.

[estel]

Kage I think pretty much nailed it there -
it's the interplay between the bass and guitar (and of course the vocals and drums) that really makes tool stand out.
Songs like Schism have it in spades, where the bass part isn't overly complex but the way it sounds with guitar playing the same riff in a different position (key), it sounds fantastic. Add Maynard's vocals and it's a harmonious heaven. Most of their songs do it. Even the heavier tracks where you'd expect the bass to be simply cruising along with root notes, he still manages to make the bass have such a huge full sound.

I think Reflection is probably my favourite tool song currently because of the musicality of it. The tribal drums, the haunting vocals, the fantastic bass and the effect laden guitar just lets me listen and feel the sound fill the room....

AJiG - perhaps you can tell me what effects pedals he (Adam) does use??
A lot of he time it's obvious distortion, a good deal of chorus, delay and flange (reflection uses them all) any types I missed? And are there any particular brands he uses more?

[The JoZ]

Justin gets alot of credit in the Bass forum. He's considered an influence to many, and is my primary bass idol. The man is a genius, and he doesn't have to play tapping licks or sweeping arpeggios to prove it.

[XyleM]

http://guitargeek.com/rigview/593/

That is the set up of adam according to Guitar Geek. Instead of using chorus he must use flange. He uses boss and Ibanez according to the site, just check that site out :lol:

[The JoZ]

Notice the disclaimer..."The accuracy of this rig cannot be guaranteed"

[TheSubtleArts]

most of the bands i searched for werent on that site, but thats pretty cool how it shows thier setups and all.

[x the patient x6]

Justin = or > or < Entwistle ?

i suck at choosing, so i say equal

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Wow, I just listened to Third Eye with the volume cranked up... Wow, I missed a LOT of sh!t in there. Yeah, I apologize for saying that the song was overrated, that is DEFINITELY a great song. Jesus christ, I missed so many of Adams riffs in the background and a lot of Maynard's singing.

Once again... SH!T!

[Magicaltroll]

Justin's lines are often quietly mixed. And the stuff that isn't quiet is normally high stuff that people think are guitars. This is why justin is normally overlooked.
sorry if this is kinda old....
but i just now realized (about a week ago, when i started to learn to play tool finally) that bass is pretty much the whole song, i mean adam adds alot but usually its the guitar who kind of "leads" the band, but with tool i see it as the bass leads the band and guitar helps the bass and adds whatever...
its an awesome thing i think, justin writes some of the coolest basslines i think.

kinda of off topic but i just love the part in pus.hit around 3 min. into the song, where the bass is doing like a.. thing and the guitar is just... heck i dont know! but i love what the bass is doing! its great. it reminds me of the part in This Dying Soul by Dream Theater, like the chorus part, i love when basses do that
(sorry if you dont understand what im talking about, but i cant really describe it)

[Kage]

bass is pretty much the whole song,

I'm going to have to disagree with that

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I've been formulating my own hypothesis on the whole dual spiral theory on Lateralus.

Ride the spiral to the end
may just go where no one's been

This made me think, what shape makes up the galaxy? 2 spirals, right? Noone has ever seen/been to the entire galaxy, right? This is all I have concieved as of yet. What do you guys think?

EDIT: Fix'd, thanks JoZ

[Kage]

I've been formulating my own hypothesis on the whole dual spiral theory on Lateralus.



This made me think, what shape makes up the galaxy? 2 spirals, right? Noone has ever seen/been to the entire galaxy, right? This is all I have concieved as of yet. What do you guys think?

Nice! There was someone else talking about how Laterlaus connects with a lot of themes that have to do with outer space/the galaxy, and, to me, there's definately a lot of imagery that indicates a very spacey feel on the album.

If you find anything else, keep posting.

[The JoZ]

Justin = or > or < Entwistle ?

i suck at choosing, so i say equal

I say greater than, but I might be slightly biased.

And it's "May just go where no one's been", referring to the Lateralus quote.

[mudvayne420]

sorry if this is kinda old....
but i just now realized (about a week ago, when i started to learn to play tool finally) that bass is pretty much the whole song, i mean adam adds alot but usually its the guitar who kind of "leads" the band, but with tool i see it as the bass leads the band and guitar helps the bass and adds whatever...
its an awesome thing i think, justin writes some of the coolest basslines i think.

kinda of off topic but i just love the part in pus.hit around 3 min. into the song, where the bass is doing like a.. thing and the guitar is just... heck i dont know! but i love what the bass is doing! its great. it reminds me of the part in This Dying Soul by Dream Theater, like the chorus part, i love when basses do that
(sorry if you dont understand what im talking about, but i cant really describe it)


yeah i agree with you on the first thing you said, both justin and paul really were the song. especially in jimmy. great bass line, it's very faint though you have to play it pretty loud to hear it though. also, in the soft parts its the bass that keeps it alive most of the time.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

http://guitargeek.com/rigview/593/

That is the set up of adam according to Guitar Geek. Instead of using chorus he must use flange. He uses boss and Ibanez according to the site, just check that site out :lol:

I cannot stress enough the inaccuracy of that page. But im sure using that set up you could partly recreate his effects, to an extent.

[XyleM]

I cannot stress enough the inaccuracy of that page. But im sure using that set up you could partly recreate his effects, to an extent.

It says it was built of eye-witness accounts... So I guess he could use a condensed amount of pedals at a live show compared to when his in the studio.

[jamesclelland]

shi.t, i cant remember where i found it, but it had adams pedal board. i was a lot fuller than what guitar geek had. it had a wah, delay, fuzz, flanger, compressor?, envelope filter?. guitar geek was close, but it was missing some. anyone knows what site i'm talking about please at least refresh my memory.

[Danny Carey is GOD]

As im stupid enough not to have heard of Tool before they had finished touring, I have a question about their gigs. What are the fans like at one of their gigs? I mean, is there moshing, or anything like that, 'cos i really don't know. I know, bit of a strange question, but anyway! Fire away!

[Adam Jones is GOD]

shi.t, i cant remember where i found it, but it had adams pedal board. i was a lot fuller than what guitar geek had. it had a wah, delay, fuzz, flanger, compressor?, envelope filter?. guitar geek was close, but it was missing some. anyone knows what site i'm talking about please at least refresh my memory.

Please hurry up and remember! I've only seen one good site with adam's range of pedals, and that was in some guitarist's on-line diary. Think the links in this thread somewhere.....

[siva_chair]

I'm sure this has been answered before somewhere in this thread, but I didn't feel like looking through all the pages to try and find it.

Does anyone know the release date of Tool's new album? Like, maybe the month it is supposed to come out?

Thanks

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Trust me, once we know, it will be appearing in big bobo style writing on the top of every page to spread the good news.

But we still have no clue.

[Otherside]

Trust me, once we know, it will be appearing in big bobo style writing on the top of every page to spread the good news.

But we still have no clue.


I really wish they would release a single :(

[Adam Jones is GOD]

OOOOOOOO, controversial!

I think they made their stand on singles a while ago. But I admit, just one big song released. all good bands have done it (Meshuggah, Mogwai....well im sure there are others)

THen get them on Top Of the Pops. Thats my goal in life to see that happen

[Kage]

I may be behind on this, but I haven't heard any word on it: Are they even finished/started recording yet? If not, it's going to be awhile, to say the least.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

They're throwing together songs, but for all we know, they might have already got a few things down. I cant see them taking this one as a write/studio/record/mix situation. Then again, they might just stick to that formula

[Kage]

So instead of write/studio/record/mix, they're going to... ?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Write, then immediately record that song, then work on another, instead of writing all the songs before going into the studio. Im suprised they havent got their own recording set up by now.

[G_Mac07]

x the patient x6, if you still want Spasm, can you post your e-mail in here with your next post. I keep getting failed delivery notifications each time I try the address you gave me, it says it does not exist.

[XyleM]

could you possibly upload it to YouSendIt G Mac?

[G_Mac07]

/didn't think of that.

I'll probably do it some time tomorrow.

[magicbus]

I'm getting some mixed messages here. Is Tool going to be releasing a new album or touring anytime soon? Or am I just reading old news and not knowing it...

[tool_greg]

Do you have ideas of Tool songs to play with my band? SOmething not easy but not extremly difficult. Thanks

[XyleM]

The Patient, Schism, Lateralus (Rhythmically Tricky), Prison Sex, Ænima... You better have a good drummer :thumb:

[Darkness]

How do you make that thing in Aenima? Like the first 2 letters together?

[tool_greg]

He's pretty good but I'll force him :thumb:

[XyleM]

How do you make that thing in Aenima? Like the first 2 letters together?

Alt + 1 + 4 + 6

press them down in that order similarily like you would for ctrl-alt-del :thumb:

[Darkness]

Hm..I can't get it to work it just like scrolls to the top of the page...

[clearvision]

You need ot use the number pad...on the right hanbd side of the keyboard

[x the patient x6]

x the patient x6, if you still want Spasm, can you post your e-mail in here with your next post. I keep getting failed delivery notifications each time I try the address you gave me, it says it does not exist.

hm, thats odd

perhaps i gave you the wrong email or something, but it is xthetouristx6@yahoo.com

i also have a way old one that may work that is xsignthesorrowx6@yahoo.com

yeah i know, theres x____x6 all over the place, its just my gurantee that no one has taken that specific username/email/screen name etc

[Darkness]

☺☺☺...this is what I keep getting...lol forget it.

[Darkness]

Æ I got it!!

[Kage]

I'm getting some mixed messages here. Is Tool going to be releasing a new album or touring anytime soon? Or am I just reading old news and not knowing it...

They should be, but we just don't know how soon.

[TheSubtleArts]

if its true that they just recently began writing/recording, then i dont see how an early summer release (as ive heard) is possible.

[Otherside]

They've been recording since before Christmas.

[Kage]

I'll just be happy if it's released this year.

[magicbus]

I'll just be happy if it's released this year.

I would be too. Real happy.

[Maynard's Dick]

If they release it this year, that will be 4 proper studio albums in 13 years...

[Maynard's Dick]

I've (metaphorically) worn holes in all my Tool discs and (like all of us) I want new stuff.

[XyleM]

Æ I got it!!

:thumb:

[TrainTakeMeHome]

I was just wondering how many of you Tool fans out there are into Opeth. Tool is solidly my favorite band, but as #2, I have a great love for Opeth. I wonder if that's also prevalent in the Tool community. Both bands are really musically progressive I think.

[siva_chair]

I was just wondering how many of you Tool fans out there are into Opeth. Tool is solidly my favorite band, but as #2, I have a great love for Opeth. I wonder if that's also prevalent in the Tool community. Both bands are really musically progressive I think.

They're pretty cool. :thumb:

[G_Mac07]

I was using the wrong address patient, you should get the song now :)

And I think a number of Tool fans are also fans of Opeth, we've discussed it here before. I also love Dream Theater, another different prog sound :thumb:

[x the patient x6]

I was using the wrong address patient, you should get the song now :)

And I think a number of Tool fans are also fans of Opeth, we've discussed it here before. I also love Dream Theater, another different prog sound :thumb:

and i did get it, and i thank you greatly, its quite good

[Otherside]

And I think a number of Tool fans are also fans of Opeth, we've discussed it here before. I also love Dream Theater, another different prog sound :thumb:


My three favorite bands :thumb:

[Dancin' Man]

I like the combo of all 3 prog sound. The atmoshpeheric (Tool) hybrid (Opeth) fireworks (Dream Theater) type. Like Winds and Borknagar.

[siva_chair]

You can't forget King Crimson as a prog. band.

[TheSubtleArts]

Tool is really the only one of those bands i like alot. ive never really been into dream theater but im starting to get into opeth.

[Kage]

Opeth is incredible, but I just can't listen to Dream Theater because of the singer.

[Magicaltroll]

I was just wondering how many of you Tool fans out there are into Opeth. Tool is solidly my favorite band, but as #2, I have a great love for Opeth. I wonder if that's also prevalent in the Tool community. Both bands are really musically progressive I think.
Opeth is an awesome band
but heres my list of top 3 favorite bands in order...
1- NIN (i am just in love with this band...)
2- Tool
3- Cradle Of Filth (the older stuff, but i also like ****ation and a day)

i know alot of people hate CoF but i love them.
sooo which is it, have they been recording since before christmas or did they just start or....?

[Kage]

Nice, an NIN fan.

[Werny]

I'd love to get into Dream Theater but people say they're just System of a Down but with 10 minute songs. Is this true? If so, urg, no way I'll even listen to them.

[ArcLite]

I'd love to get into Dream Theater but people say they're just System of a Down but with 10 minute songs. Is this true? If so, urg, no way I'll even listen to them.

WOW...Whoever told you that DT is like SOAD they are the most ignorant or severely misguided person ever.

[Otherside]

I was using the wrong address patient, you should get the song now :)

And I think a number of Tool fans are also fans of Opeth, we've discussed it here before. I also love Dream Theater, another different prog sound :thumb:


You must spread some red around before giving it to G Mac again :(


Edit: I'd love to get into Dream Theater but people say they're just System of a Down but with 10 minute songs. Is this true? If so, urg, no way I'll even listen to them.

:lol: :lol: SOAD and DT are at completely oposite sides of the metal spectrum.

[Kage]

As other people have said, DT and System are not even close. In any way, really.

[Bartender]

Nice, an NIN fan.

Tool and NIN seem to overlap quite a bit in their fans, in my experience at least.

[jamesclelland]

i got used to dt's singer. i just love the guitar work. for example in the name of god, that solo is amazing. drums are just as badass. the bass is harder to pick out, but when you hear him, he doing something cool.
opeth is another favorite, but they are a little heavy when you have a horrible headache

[-Obscurity-]

Opeth is incredible, but I just can't listen to Dream Theater because of the singer.

I like DT, but never cared for the singing. Same thing with Rush. Both are incredibly talented, musical genious bands, but I never cared for that castrato style singing. I still listen to both though.

[Kurrpt]

I like DT, but never cared for the singing. Same thing with Rush. Both are incredibly talented, musical genious bands, but I never cared for that castrato style singing. I still listen to both though.


for some reason i like rush's singer, but hate DT. I just listen to the instrumedly stuff, and stay away from their singer


Big up to YTSE Jam

[rage_h87]

i got used to dt's singer. i just love the guitar work. for example in the name of god, that solo is amazing. drums are just as badass. the bass is harder to pick out, but when you hear him, he doing something cool.

same here....

[-Obscurity-]

for some reason i like rush's singer, but hate DT. I just listen to the instrumedly stuff, and stay away from their singer


Big up to YTSE Jam

I do think Geddy Lee is slightly more tolerable, and his vocal patterns/melodies are a little better than DT.

[Kurrpt]

I do think Geddy Lee is slightly more tolerable, and his vocal patterns/melodies are a little better than DT.

the singer for DT reminds me of a 80s hair band, where as Rush pretty much came from the 80s, so its more tollerable for me

[TheSubtleArts]

maybe because DT used to be an 80's hair band.

[-Obscurity-]

the singer for DT reminds me of a 80s hair band, where as Rush pretty much came from the 80s, so its more tollerable for me

Rush came from the 70's actually, but yeah DT's singer is incredibly 80's.

[jamesclelland]

i dont see hair band at all, i get the 80's thing. and actually the instrumental tune on TOT screams metallica. a lot of what i've heard from dt sounds like megadeth or metallica, imo

[Shadius]

*Looks at the last page*

There's this little band called Tool I like too, they have some great songs.

I agree that DT and Tool are both amazing bands though, Opeth i've heard some stuff that I love, but those death metal vocals don't do much for me. ****ation was good from my one hearing of it.

Edit: What's the best NIN album? Maybe I'd like them, heard about them for years, never bothered to look into them.

[BlindWriting]

Opeth is pretty cool. The Funeral Portrait and Blackwater Park are damn good songs. The death metal vocals kind of turn me off, but they're still very talented. Nine Inch Nails is great as well, and Bartender had a point about the overlapping fanbases.

And a Tool question:
Who writes the lyrics? Is it just Maynard, or he and Adam?

[Shadius]

Mostly, if not all Maynard, I believe. Given the personal nature of a lot of their songs that relate to his life and such.

[Otherside]

In APC, however, Billy writes alot of the song material as well.

[Kage]

Edit: What's the best NIN album? Maybe I'd like them, heard about them for years, never bothered to look into them.

With best NIN album, you'll get tons of mixed responses, but, with you being a Tool fan, I'd say The Fragile. It's the most epic in it's soundscapes. After that check out The Downward Spiral.

[TheSubtleArts]

i think downward spiralis the best, but thats the only album i was really into from NIN. i like Fragile alot too.

[BlindWriting]

Definitely The Downward Spiral. It's a great album.
The Fragile is slightly harder to like, and you're best listeing to that after you've heard TDS.

[TheSubtleArts]

Fragile is more Tool-like i guess tho, but downward spiral is still my fav.

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

NIN Rules. I love Downward Spiral. I've still gotta listen to the Fragile and other stuff.

[conciousuniverse]

Lateralus & the Qabala (http://www.toolpantheon.com/lateralus_meanings.htm)

:smoke:


For the person who asked about the atmosphere at Tool Concerts...it varies.

Most everyone is coming from a common space and people have been very respectful in all my experiences. Some like to form a pit, tho Tools time signatures create a more interprative dance, like maynards movements. The energy and spirit is very communal. There was an instance at a concert, during "Pu****," when a fan jumped on stage to hug MjK, and you can download it by searching for "Maynard fights with fan- Pu****" ...I'll let you see it for yourself.

[opeth_oasis]

maynard fights a fan?!?!?! i gotta see this! First time in this thread, tools a great band, i really find maynards vocals very easy to listen to. Fav Album would be Undertow or Aenima

[G_Mac07]

*VIDEO SPOILER*

Maynard doesn't so much as fight the fan, as stated in the name, it's more of a wrestle and such on the ground. It's cool though because the whole time it's happening MJK sings as though has nothing but complete concentration for the sogn being played.

[OnceTheyWereHeros]

what do people follow tool so much? i havent heard all there stuff but ive heard lateralus and it seems quite boring to me. they seem like quite good musicians and they do have their own sound but to me they arent very exciting, so can you tell me why you like tool so much?

[G_Mac07]

The sound grows on you like you wouldn't believe. The musicians that make up Tool are each incredible in their own right, and blend together to create a sound that is totally unique to them.

The lyric's of their songs are also a huge factor in why people like Tool so much. Maynard has an awesome ability to provoke thought, and to subtlely pass a message though his songs. Often, the true message is incredibly hard to find, and we still don't know if we know the true meanings of many of their songs.

That'll do me for a start, I'm sure someone will elaborate.

[OnceTheyWereHeros]

cool man maybe im not looking deep enough into their stuff but i heard lateralus when i was 14 and i havent heard much of them since so i hope you understand :) i will give them another listen when i get my hands on one of their cd's....schism was good though :thumb:

[estel]

I'll give it a shot G_Mac

Tool have a very unique sound. This sound became most prominent during Lateralus. Their previous releases -
Opiate - pretty generic hard rock
Undertow - much more though-provoking and slightly more progressive, using strange time signatures, but still heavy
Ænima - extremely deep and meaningful, whilst keeping the angry edge. The first album with Justin Chancellor, and where Tool really started showing their progressive style.
Lateralus - the most progressive, and also the most thought provoking album so far. The way the tracks have their own meaning, but also fit into the songs around them makes it a simply beautiful CD. This is one of those CDs that can be played start to finish, and not one single track deserves to be skipped. To see the more obvious links between tracks - Parabol/Parabola and Disposition/Reflection make it obvious. There are also more subtle links, which can be found by reading the lyrics and doing a bit of research. There are far too many underlying themes to go into here.

Musically, Tool have an incredible synergy. Each part is excellent, but the way each instrument interacts with the others makes it a sonic adventure, just listening to the instruments. I think Lateralus and Reflection are the best examples here.
Lateralus is the album which grows on you. First time through, it may seem boring... but listen to it a few times and you'll notice things you didn't hear before... a certain guitar riff, a superb drum fill, a powerful bass line, haunting vocals ... they all make Tool one of the best bands of the modern era.

/end fanboy rant

[OnceTheyWereHeros]

good post! yeah i hope i get into them cause most people i know seem to like them but i am quite impatient with my music which is a bad thing! if i dont catch the sound of it the first time i usally disregard the cd once ive heard it. but ill give them more time to grow on me

[G_Mac07]

nice estel, I wasn't going to type out an essay :p

[Otherside]

good post! yeah i hope i get into them cause most people i know seem to like them but i am quite impatient with my music which is a bad thing! if i dont catch the sound of it the first time i usally disregard the cd once ive heard it. but ill give them more time to grow on me


What other kind of music do you like? It could simply be that Tool isn't your thing, and if that is so, there are tons of other great bands that we could recommend you.

[OnceTheyWereHeros]

What other kind of music do you like? It could simply be that Tool isn't your thing, and if that is so, there are tons of other great bands that we could recommend you.

Im a total metalhead i guess :p but i do like other styles of guitar based music that has a good riff or lyrics to it...because i dont want to limit my music to only metal! Tool i think is the type of band that will grow on me but its just im not really into them just yet but other people i know and some of my friends are :wave: but mainly i listen to Pantera, Sabbath, Hendrix, Iced Earth etc. and 'new' bands i like are CoB, Dream Theater, Dragonforce Black Label Society!

[Otherside]

Im a total metalhead i guess :p but i do like other styles of guitar based music that has a good riff or lyrics to it...because i dont want to limit my music to only metal! Tool i think is the type of band that will grow on me but its just im not really into them just yet but other people i know and some of my friends are :wave: but mainly i listen to Pantera, Sabbath, Hendrix, Iced Earth etc. and 'new' bands i like are CoB, Dream Theater, Dragonforce Black Label Society!


Try some Opeth. They have some awesome guitar riffs/runs. Morningrise and Black Water Park would be two great ones to start off with.

[OnceTheyWereHeros]

Will do. Cheers!

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I heard about Opeth from this thread, so I went rushing out to buy an album. I bought damnation. now i wished I had taken some album advice too.

Blackwater Park or Still Life? From a tool fan perspective, which is a better starter?

[ArcLite]

BWP, best album for starters, and IMO, best album of theirs overall.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Righto. They were the two albums that get thrown around a lot in these forums

/gets wallet

[Otherside]

I prefer Morningrise, but they're both great. ****ation wasn't..that..bad.. it was just an experiment-type cd.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Yeah, but not the greatest intro CD to get, especially after what i was told to expect from them

[Otherside]

Undestandable, like I said, Morninrise is probably my favorite album by them anyways. To Bid you Farwell is a semi-acoustic song on that cd that is better than anything on damnation

[G_Mac07]

I still have no Opeth albums :upset:

/will change a couple of days after I move :D

[Otherside]

Where you moving to Gmac?


OT: What's everyone's prediction on the poll?

[Six Foot Revolver]

Tool are going to win but not by far I reckon.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Where you moving to Gmac?


OT: What's everyone's prediction on the poll?

1) Tool will win, the word fan boy will appear in every other post, and people will complain and neg rep everywhere.

2) Pink Floyd will win, and no one will complain. The word fan boy will still be used in every other post, such as "Im glad that those tool fanboys lost"

3) Metallica will win, and the forum will have to declare a state of Martial law for the inevitable rioting

[G_Mac07]

I'm moving from a small, remote Australian town when bands such as Opeth, Dream Theater, In Flames and most other stuff I find I like on these forums is unavailable. I'll be moving to Brisbane on Monday, so that should be pretty good.

And on the poll, I'm hoping Lateralus will make it to Number 1, although I wouldn't be disappointed if Floyd took it out. Predicting DSOTM as number 1.

[Six Foot Revolver]

I don't really mind who wins because I love all the albums on there

[estel]

wow G_Mac - you'll only be 700kms from me!

I'm hoping Lateralus wins the poll - but something tells me Floyd will....

[Adam Jones is GOD]

^^ Just to give my actual hopes on the poll, although I want Lateralus to win, any would do, with metallica being the least deserving though

[G_Mac07]

1) Tool will win, the word fan boy will appear in every other post, and people will complain and neg rep everywhere.

2) Pink Floyd will win, and no one will complain. The word fan boy will still be used in every other post, such as "Im glad that those tool fanboys lost"

3) Metallica will win, and the forum will have to declare a state of Martial law for the inevitable rioting

:eek: This man see's the future. Do we have another Nostradamus on our hands?

[Six Foot Revolver]

They are probably true aswell :eek:

[TrainTakeMeHome]

Just a bump/reminder for all Tool people on here to cas thier votes for Lateralus..
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=300228

[Kage]

Lateralus is my all time favorite album, but I can't decide if it's a better actual album than The Wall.

[TheSubtleArts]

i think it is.

[Otherside]

I prefer Aenima over Lateralus, but DSOTM, besides Us and Them/Breathe, doesn't do much for me.

[G_Mac07]

Lateralus > DSOTM >= The Wall > Metallica

[Kage]

Lateralus > DSOTM >= The Wall > Metallica

I'd agree with that, although there is no way Metallica should be up there at all. If there was any justice, one of the two Floyd albums would get replaced with something else and Metallica replaced with something.

[G_Mac07]

Yeah I was pissed about the number of n00b votes that got Metallica over Opeth in the last poll. I didn't check for the number of n00b votes Tool gets though, I'm guessing we must also get quite a few.

[estel]

G_mac and Kage - I agree whole heartedly.

Lateralus is definitely the best album of modern times, and I think Pink Floyd are about the only band that can come close in all of history.
I think Tool are the Floyd of the new generation - with progressive style, deep meanings and great music.
That said, I think Lateralus actually overtook Pink Floyd in terms of musicality and the craft with which the tracks are assembled and interrelated.

...And Justice for All isn't a bad album, but honestly cannot hope to compare to DSOTM or Lateralus in terms of sheer depth and beautifully crafted sound.

[jamesclelland]

Lateralus all the ****in way man. The went from playing amazing music to the most musically artistic band i've ever heard.(if that made sense, im tired)

[Werny]

Lateralus is a thinking man's/lady's album. I'm not much of a thinking man in the big picture, so in the end I'd rather Aenima in the end. Sure, the last 30 seconds in the Grudge are probably the best 30 seconds ever, but for me there is no experience that comes close to listening to Aenima full bore. I very rarely listen to Aenima all the way though.

When I think about it; Lateralus is the best album, Aenima has the best songs.

A little fact; Adam Jones played some guitar on a Melvins record. Mmm must have NOW.

[jamesclelland]

adam jones does a lot with the melvins, in fact i just saw him play with the melvins at the new years eve show in seattle. mostly dead kennedy covers, i was very disappointed.

[TheSubtleArts]

i heard about that too, i didnt kno if it was true.

[magicbus]

Hey guys. I've been following a few copies of Salival on ebay for a few days, and they've just started to raise in price (at the last minute :rolleyes: ) What price do you guys think would be too high to pay for it?

[Shadius]

Anyone know what equipment is being used by the band on the new album?

I'd like to see what Justin can do with a 5 or 6 string bass, personally. As he's the chording type who isn't afraid to go into mid range or above it seems like a natural extension for him, and what with a lot of songs being played in real low tunings and the like, the low B would be useful. More fretless work would be nice too.

I hear Adam tried out a 7 string once, but didn't like the feel of it? I love the guitars he uses now personally. So I wouln't really want him to change at all. Really great tone and texture.

How about Danny? Any new cool drums or effects or anything anyone's heard about?

I'm not expecting anyone's heard anything, i'm just hoping.

[SickoKid]

I think it's a little too early to tell at the moment.

[Otherside]

Anyone know what equipment is being used by the band on the new album?

I'd like to see what Justin can do with a 5 or 6 string bass, personally. As he's the chording type who isn't afraid to go into mid range or above it seems like a natural extension for him, and what with a lot of songs being played in real low tunings and the like, the low B would be useful. More fretless work would be nice too.

I hear Adam tried out a 7 string once, but didn't like the feel of it? I love the guitars he uses now personally. So I wouln't really want him to change at all. Really great tone and texture.

How about Danny? Any new cool drums or effects or anything anyone's heard about?

I'm not expecting anyone's heard anything, i'm just hoping.


Mums the word for the new album, we know next to nothing atm.

[Det_Nosnip]

Hey, this may have been discussed before, but has anyone else noticed the Hemiola that Maynard plays during one of the verses of Schism? I remember Danny Carey talking about in one of his online demonstrations, but hadn't caught it until the last time I was listening to Lateralus recently. It's the part where he says "I've DONE the MATH eNOUGH to KNOW the DANGERS OF our SECOND GUESSING..." The song is in 5/8 7/8, but Maynard sings a dotted quarter pulse (more of a triple feel, like 6/8...). Very cool. :)

[-Obscurity-]

Adam Jones has the most amazing freakin' guitar sound ever! He would definitely not need to change it. His guitar lives and breathes, much more 3 dimensional than any other guitar sound I have heard.

[clearvision]

Adam should stick to a dropped D 6 string IMO he uses those D barré chords so well.
Justin's bass is only prominent to me when he goes into the upper ranges, as long as he has a catchy riff he can go as high as he pleases.
I don't think danny's drumming will ever get old so he doesn't need to change, but it has been said his stuff will be more polyrhythm oriented like Meshuggah. Is it just me or does some of the meshuggah drums seem a bit mechanical and boring, I only have I but around 5mins a snare kicks in and i can no longer listen to the song because of the repeated snare, it's all i can hear :confused:

I was expecting this album in spring, but it now seems like its gonna be like Autum :(

[-Obscurity-]

Is it just me or does some of the meshuggah drums seem a bit mechanical and boring, I only have I but around 5mins a snare kicks in and i can no longer listen to the song because of the repeated snare, it's all i can hear :confused:
(

That seems to be a major complaint about them, but from a technical standpoint, the drumming is amazing, and near physically impossible. I like Meshuggah alot, but yes I can only listen to them for a certain amount of time.

[clearvision]

I have tried and tried to get into the song, but all i hear is the snare. Maybe it's just the mixing on 'I' but i can only manage to listen to that part for about 20 secs.

[Kage]

I really hope Adam sticks to the same tunings/guitar. Doesn't he have that unique Les Paul Silverburst that gives him his weird tone? I think using deeper tunings would take away from the feel of his playing, which has remained consistent on every album. Of course, there's always Parabola with the B/E tuning, but I can't see a full album of that.

[jamesclelland]

he'll stick to the dropped d. it hasn't failed him yet. i want to hear more synth and guitar at once as on reflections. actually if the whole cd had the general lateralus sound, i would not be disappointed. i have too many things i would like to hear to list so i'm not gonna bother.

[jamesclelland]

almost forgot, right before my previous post tool had the lead by about ten votes. cross your fingers.

[x the patient x6]

Hey, this may have been discussed before, but has anyone else noticed the Hemiola that Maynard plays during one of the verses of Schism? I remember Danny Carey talking about in one of his online demonstrations, but hadn't caught it until the last time I was listening to Lateralus recently. It's the part where he says "I've DONE the MATH eNOUGH to KNOW the DANGERS OF our SECOND GUESSING..." The song is in 5/8 7/8, but Maynard sings a dotted quarter pulse (more of a triple feel, like 6/8...). Very cool. :)

its also called Iambic Pantameter
its the emphasis on certing syllable sounds in a sentence, 2 more examples would be

from Romeo and Juliet:

"I'LL look TO like IF lookING likeING move" which is also a perfectly balanced line as well, Shakespeare actually used that method to display the mental state of a charachter, whether they spoke in slurred syllabes and pantameter, or a balanced clean form of words

an other, less sophisticated example is:

"I am A FLAMing HOMOsexUAL"



hmm, Theater Arts 1...

[Syncratic]

almost forgot, right before my previous post tool had the lead by about ten votes. cross your fingers.

I voted for Lateralus, because, although I love all those albums, I actually own Lateralus, and I believe its a genious album. (my second choice woulda been The Wall)

[Adam Jones is GOD]

almost forgot, right before my previous post tool had the lead by about ten votes. cross your fingers.

unfortunately, some lesser humans have now given anyone sporting Tool fanship an instant bad reputation on these boards. So be careful what you guys say, you dont want people thinking you're another mindless fanboy.

[The JoZ]

I hate Tool fans, I really do.

Not you guys though <3

[Maynard's Dick]

Are we/those who post regularly on here different than the average tool fan? I guess most, if not all of us are musicians and that might have a large bearing...

[TheSubtleArts]

I dont really like the usage of iambic pentameters and differant stresses in vocals like that alot, gets on my nerves a little.

[Kage]

Damn the Tool fanboys. I can honestly say I love Tool but I'm anything but a fanboy.

[x the patient x6]

i hadnt listened to Tool in ages

but i like talking about them and speaking my mind in a moderatly friendly atmosphere

the alt. and indie people are pretty understanding for the most part

i steer clear from R and M



anyway, the point was, im not a fanboy either, i was, and now i use the residual knowldge in an intellectual setting






my girlfriend likes Tool, and that made me realize, isnt it sexist to say just fan boy? arnt there female Tool fans as well?

[Huber]

they use the term "fan boy" mainly not because of gender, but to make them feel small and childish. Though it's just hypocritical because calling names is just as childish as being a "fan boy".

[TheSubtleArts]

i guess you can start calling them a fan child if you think its sexist.

[SonorKen]

Who cares if someone calls you a name, this isnt 3rd grade. If you like Tool, and find thier music stimulating call yourself a fan.

I am a Tool fan and proud of it.

[magicbus]

Who cares if someone calls you a name, this isnt 3rd grade. If you like Tool, and find thier music stimulating call yourself a fan.

I am a Tool fan and proud of it.

Me too!

[Kage]

Who cares if someone calls you a name, this isnt 3rd grade. If you like Tool, and find thier music stimulating call yourself a fan.

I am a Tool fan and proud of it.

Of course, I'm a huge Tool fan and proud of it. What they were talking about were fanboys. There's a huge difference.

[TheSubtleArts]

i always thought fanboy just meant that you were a fan of the band, but w/e, im a Tool fan.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

Yup, I can say that I'm a fan because I find 99% of their stuff to be brilliant. They're the best band out there now.

I don't find any need to put up a half-naked poster of Maynard with blue body paint on him.

[BurtonChancellor]

I don't find any need to put up a half-naked poster of Maynard with blue body paint on him.
Well then, I suppose we'll just have to get you a poster of him in a wig and bra instead.

[Kage]

i always thought fanboy just meant that you were a fan of the band, but w/e, im a Tool fan.

A fanboy is a person (the connotation obviously implying a younger kid) who is overly obsessed with the band, but often times not with the actual music but the image or the idea of being a fanatic of the band.

[The JoZ]

Fanboys are generally blind followers of a band, and pretty stupid/ignorant/rabid in their profession of love for the band.

I love Tool to death, but I don't go around being an idiot about it.

[conciousuniverse]

What if you completely support and appreciate the musicality of the band, but also adore the bands theatrical personality?

I love everything about them. I like the two-toned, internally-conflicted Keenan phase. It has been an amazing ride, and I am not ashamed to admit that they turn me on, what ever that means actually.

[Werny]

I'm 15 and stay up til the early morn reading articles, so I guess I'm a fanboy in that way.

[opeth_oasis]

does anyone find tool songs very difficult to cover? i know i do

[Huber]

These guys that wanna start a band with me want to cover Schism. I can play the drum part fine, but I don't think these guys realize how many parts of Tool song there are. He probably just got the intro guitar riff down and thought he could do it. Oh well, we'll see. Maybe I'm not giving the guy enough slack, but he just doesn't seem like the type.

I finished Ticks and Leeches today at my drum lessons. took me about three 30 minute sessions. Maybe I can convince those guys to play that instead. It's a lot easier than Schism (SO MANY PARTS!).

[Danny Carey is GOD]

It might be easier instrumentally, but i would love to hear the vocalist :)

[clearvision]

The drums are easily the hardest part of a tool song. Most of adams effects can be blagged with using a much lighter rig. He never shreds or anything so it's pretty easy, i presume JUstin doesn't do too much tough stuff.. Even the vocals aren't too tough, you're not gonna sound like Maynard, but it's a cover 'n you don't have to! I play most tool songs within a couple of looks at the tabs (guitar)...

[Uber-Termite]

How Does Danney Carrey Do It??

[TheSubtleArts]

practice :thumb:

[jamesclelland]

tool is easy on guitar. i can fully play too many songs to list. my favorite is eulogy and forty six and two. those are a blast to play. i'm in the process of getting a bass to learn those two on bass to record that. hopefully a drummer will come a long to play the last section.

[clearvision]

I've often thought about getting a cheap bass + kit and making songs. Problem is i don't know how good i would be at kit, i can play piano 'fairly' well and i'd say i'm a competent guitarist (not blowing ones horn or anything) If i see a kit that sounds reasonable for under £100 i will buy straight away though, something to keep me occupied.

I just had a jam at a few tool songs, i can play them with the tab...Played no quarter, you lied, disposition and sober :cool:

[Maynard's Dick]

I've learned just about every song they've done but I still have trouble remembering everthying without a tab in front of me. Maybe I'm just lazy but when I try to play Schism for example, I really lose track of how many times to repeat things, etc. It might be easier with a band but...I dont have one right now.

[SickoKid]

Is You Lied a cover or what?

[The JoZ]

You Lied is a cover of Justin's old band, Peach.

[SickoKid]

Oh thanks a lot, I thought it was a cover just didn't know who of.

[The JoZ]

The drums are easily the hardest part of a tool song. Most of adams effects can be blagged with using a much lighter rig. He never shreds or anything so it's pretty easy, i presume JUstin doesn't do too much tough stuff.. Even the vocals aren't too tough, you're not gonna sound like Maynard, but it's a cover 'n you don't have to! I play most tool songs within a couple of looks at the tabs (guitar)...

Try playing "Aenema" correctly on bass.

Or

"Third Eye"
"Schism"
"Parabola"
"Disposition"
"Reflection"

It ain't virtuosic bass, but it ain't exactly bang it out in 20 minutes easy.

[x the patient x6]

Disposition is probably my favorite song to play on bass all togehter, with Guitar it changes, now its Killin In the Name Of by RAtM, then again, Eon Blue Apocolypse/The Patient is a heartfelt favorite of mine too

then again, im just starting to get into Explosions in the Sky, wonderful and strange guitar work with alot of effects

[hit_the_lights_2005]

lol am i like the only person in the world who didnt like lateralus or just tool in general?
i cant really get into tool songs but maybe theres somethin im just bein ignorant of so
can some one explain what makes tool's music so loved?
that stuff about them havin too many parts too, do u never just get bored an forget ur listenin to a song of theirs half way through?
il probably get loads of **** from people for askin about this but im curios :thumb:

[physt]

No you're not the only person that doesn't like it heh.. It seems you either love them or you hate them.. You don't find many people that 'sort of' like tool.. I guess it just clicks with some people.. I suggest you listen attentively a few times through.. It's not easy to digest but it has become my favorate album over th eyears..

[hit_the_lights_2005]

i have to say schism, aneama and parabola have grown on my but thats coz i hear them everywhere

i am tryin to give lateralus a fair chance but im forcing myself to listen to it

the videos ive seen tho, i wish i could figure out what theyre about they look really cool, i just dont have a clue about them

[TheSubtleArts]

i like Tool videos, very wierd and hard to understand at first but you start to get them if you watch them a few times.

[willis2441]

I like tool

[estel]

time for another essay about the quality of Tool....

Tool are good for the follwoing reasons
depth - most of Tool's music (all of Ænima and Lateralus, and a bit of Undertow) are very deep. They have multiple meanings, hidden messages (like the drum pattern in Lateralus) or are interconnected. This means that listening to tool can be a real intellectual exercise, trying to find links to other songs or work out a meaning of one particular line.
talent - apart from some of Danny's amazing drumming, the band members of tool don't display any overt mind-blowing talent. Their guitarist is not a shredder, full of solo wankery, and their bassist does not play really obvious bass riffs. Together, their music is brilliant - each part can be totally different from the others, but they still intertwine and harmonise beautifully. Listening to some songs (Reflection, Third Eye, Disposition) the many different parts layer superbly, creating a very full sound.
sound - related to the above - but tool have a very unique sound. The musicality of their songs makes them hard to compare to anyone else nowdays. Each instrument has a life of its own, and their music is getting progressive to the point where each instrument can be doing a lot of work, but still not dominate over the others. The balance makes them great to listen to, as you aren't forced to listen to solos taking over the rest of the band, or Maynard trying to song over the top of the others. They all work together..
diversity - Tool play songs which are all vastly different - compre the simple beauty of Disposition to the anger of Ticks and Leeches, to the cynical Ænema, to the hard-rocking Jerk-Off, to the hard but beautiful Lateralus. Their songs are all so diverse, even within songs, the variety of parts make it easy to listen to without getting bored.

I think those are enough reasons for now

[ares]

whoohoo 3000th post!!!

[Huber]

Next week when I hit up my drum teacher for a lesson, I'm doing to start work on the Grudge. My teacher knows his Tool parts, so going to him before trying the song so I have the right idea is a good plan. It's worked before, and hopefully history repeats itself.

[labattblue]

someone please sell me here. i tried to get into tool but i didnt really like it

i like the obvious songs "sober", "stinkfist", "schism" etc...but didnt find anything more than wat i was looking for....

[conciousuniverse]

roll with it...

[clearvision]

Try playing "Aenema" correctly on bass.

Or

"Third Eye"
"Schism"
"Parabola"
"Disposition"
"Reflection"

It ain't virtuosic bass, but it ain't exactly bang it out in 20 minutes easy.

I dnno, i'm quite ignorant with bassists, i can never find the bass in a song. An sons that have cool basslines etc are normally really easy to play on my guitar with my octivator thingy. I don't know how technical bass gets, i mean i can't shred on guitar and there is so much stuff i can learn, it just seems bass is alot less technical. Could you give me examples of realtiveley difficult bass?
Dispositions bass is alot like the guitar part i think, and that stuff I can sight read. It would take me time to perfect, but to jam along it doesnt take me more than the length of the song really.

[Ænigma]

I think the bass in Aenema sounds awesome, but then again Justic and Paul are really great bassists.

Did any of you hear that the new Tool cd and Lateralus DVD are coming out in spring...Ive got my money ready for this.

I bought Undertow yesterday and am really enjoying, To those who have it have you seen the picture of teh cow eating itself out, its behind the cd holder you have to pop it off. I also like how it says it has ten songs but when it gets to ten every second it goes up a song until it gets to 69.

[Danny Carey is GOD]

Anyone ever found the Tool Screensaver? I cant find it on google. Or any of their "projection" videos at their gigs.

[clearvision]

there is a theme you can get for your comp, i looked at it, but it seem sh!tty...

[Ænigma]

Yeah themes are awesome, I have a tool theme here it is if you want to see it.

http://img202.exs.cx/img202/3338/theme8uh.jpg

[TheSubtleArts]

Yeah themes are awesome, I have a tool theme here it is if you want to see it.

http://img202.exs.cx/img202/3338/theme8uh.jpg

thats a sweet theme, i havent seen any good ones except for that.

[clearvision]

That is sh!t hot...You shall now pot where to get it from and recieve some serious rep...

[magicbus]

Did any of you hear that the new Tool cd and Lateralus DVD are coming out in spring...Ive got my money ready for this.

You serious? That's awesome, I think I'll be saving up for it too.


And I love the opening bass line on Reflection. Its so menacing. :evil:

[jpj]

How do you do that thing where the A in Aenima meshes into the E?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

hold the alt button, then on the number pad type in 146, like so: Æ

Anyway, on the opening to the grudge, what do you think the noise is? I figure it's a washing machine starting up, for 2 reasons. One, it sounds like a washing machine, and two, go open up your washing machine, and what kind of shape is running down the shaft on the middle of the hole? A spiral.

Also, I was thinking about why Jones would use a riff from Shine on you Crazy Diamond in The Grudge. SYOCD is about Syd Barret, the former frontman of Pink Floyd that went insane due to LSD addiction. I think The Grudge is a song about a grudge that was/is held against someone because they hurt a close friend of Tool. What do you guys think?

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

That is sh!t hot...You shall now pot where to get it from and recieve some serious rep...
Yeah where did you find that? You shall get reppage.

[Darkness]

hold the alt button, then on the number pad type in 146, like so: Æ

Anyway, on the opening to the grudge, what do you think the noise is? I figure it's a washing machine starting up, for 2 reasons. One, it sounds like a washing machine, and two, go open up your washing machine, and what kind of shape is running down the shaft on the middle of the hole? A spiral.

Also, I was thinking about why Jones would use a riff from Shine on you Crazy Diamond in The Grudge. SYOCD is about Syd Barret, the former frontman of Pink Floyd that went insane due to LSD addiction. I think The Grudge is a song about a grudge that was/is held against someone because they hurt a close friend of Tool. What do you guys think?

I remeber reading somewhere on the toolshed web site forum that some guy thought it was brain waves converted to sound..he had like a bunch of proof and stuff. I don't know if its true, just something to think about.

[Syncratic]

I got to thinking about why Ænima's title track is spelled differently that the album title is. Toolshed.down.net said that Ænima is a combo of the words 'Enigma' and 'Enema', with Æ at the beginning. Anywho, I think that the words that make the combo are key to the spelling issue here's what I think:

Ænima-mostly uses the word 'enigma', since it's not really a word and we don't really know what it means (if it means anything at all).

Ænema-mostly uses the word 'enema', which is a 'cleansing' of sorts. The lyrics talk about Los Angeles being washed into the ocean, right? This could be deciphered as a social or geological enema.

Just a theory.....

[magicbus]

I got to thinking about why Ænima's title track is spelled differently that the album title is. Toolshed.down.net said that Ænima is a combo of the words 'Enigma' and 'Enema', with Æ at the beginning. Anywho, I think that the words that make the combo are key to the spelling issue here's what I think:

Ænima-mostly uses the word 'enigma', since it's not really a word and we don't really know what it means (if it means anything at all).

Ænema-mostly uses the word 'enema', which is a 'cleansing' of sorts. The lyrics talk about Los Angeles being washed into the ocean, right? This could be deciphered as a social or geological enema.

Just a theory.....

Ænima is actually a combination of Anima and Enema. Anima is a psychological term that Carl Jung came up with, and it refers to something like your alter-ego. Just to clarify.

And enigma means a mystery or puzzle..

But as for the title track, I think that makes sense. Good theory. :thumb:

Anyway, on the opening to the grudge, what do you think the noise is? I figure it's a washing machine starting up, for 2 reasons. One, it sounds like a washing machine, and two, go open up your washing machine, and what kind of shape is running down the shaft on the middle of the hole? A spiral.

It always sounded to me like an elevator going up.

[jamesclelland]

where did you hear that they were gonna release the cd and dvd in spring? i find it hard to believe. i'm sure your correct by what you heard, but i need proof.

[Iron Man]

where did you hear that they were gonna release the cd and dvd in spring? i find it hard to believe. i'm sure your correct by what you heard, but i need proof.

I've also heard that, it's about time they got another one out :p

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

It's a pun, really.

Aenima (anima=soul) can just be used as a general term for an album. While Aenema (cleansing) has a direct correlation with the song, a song about FLUSHING AWAY LA, and that lifestyle.

[Det_Nosnip]

The drums are easily the hardest part of a tool song. Most of adams effects can be blagged with using a much lighter rig. He never shreds or anything so it's pretty easy, i presume JUstin doesn't do too much tough stuff.. Even the vocals aren't too tough, you're not gonna sound like Maynard, but it's a cover 'n you don't have to! I play most tool songs within a couple of looks at the tabs (guitar)...

Umm....no. Maynard's parts are often more difficult than Danny's. Ever tried to sing hemiola melody lines? Polyrhythms? Carey's parts may be the most difficult in of themselves (even this is questionable), but as far as how Maynard interacts with the band, they're pretty equal in difficulty.

[Danny Carey is GOD]

Umm....no. Maynard's parts are often more difficult than Danny's. Ever tried to sing hemiola melody lines? Polyrhythms? Carey's parts may be the most difficult in of themselves (even this is questionable), but as far as how Maynard interacts with the band, they're pretty equal in difficulty.
Much how i respect Maynard i simply can't believe his parts are harder than Danny's. Give me some examples of how "hard" his vocals are?

[Danny Carey is GOD]

Sorry for the double post, but i just found this, and didnt wanna lose the link.
http://www.spiralysis.com/Video/TOOL_Interview.exe'
Could it be classified as an interview? I guess. Enjoy. Plus, i like the way Maynard says that LinkBizkit (Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit) should be on a different chart, not a music chart, but a "Clever marketing" chart, with mCdonalds and their mcnuggets.

[TheSubtleArts]

Much how i respect Maynard i simply can't believe his parts are harder than Danny's. Give me some examples of how "hard" his vocals are?

yea i think all the intrumental parts are more difficult than the lyrics,, and Maynard is a great vocalist and writes great lyrics but the instrumentals are harder i think.

[clearvision]

I need that theme...quick! I'm tempted to mail that dude...

Carey's parts are insane compared to Maynard. I know it's tought to sing like Maynard, but to pick the notes out it doesn't take as much skill as playing some of danny's parts. I don't play drums and i respect his sheer virtuosity.

[Darkness]

Try doing ticks and leeches man..or even the 24 second screem in the grudge...I'd love to see you try that.

[Darkness]

In the defence of Maynard...you try singing ticks and leeches live..or even the grudge 24 screem.

[jamesclelland]

guitar is pretty easy, for the most part. haven't tried to play drums yet, but bass is next. i'll let you know how that goes.

[Darkness]

In Maynards defence...You try singing ticks and leeches..I bet you wouldn't be able to do it..or how about the 24 second screem in the grudge? But yeah the instrumental parts are probably harder but its not like Maynard just stands around.

[x the patient x6]

memorizing words can be difficult, and embarrassing when you mess up

but there is an extent of phsyical endurance to do what Danny does, it must get very tireing for him to do some of those songs

Adam is quite relaxed about the way he goes about it, which is what i like about him, he does the song, it may not be the hardest thing to play, but its not hot Cross buns either, and he leaves it at that

Justin i would imagine gets more into the performence aspect of it, but once again, all about what he does on the bass

Myanard, hes the center of attention, so he has to be on top of his game at all times




also, is it just me, or did my avatar and profile image get distorted?

the avatar was supposed to be the ( ) album cover by Sigur Ros
and the profile was Stewie from Family Guy at one of this Sexy Parties

both seem to be alll....weird

on my computer at least, and you seem like a bunch of fellows i can trust, is it, or is it not all messed up? thanks

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

In the defence of Maynard...you try singing ticks and leeches live..or even the grudge 24 screem.

I think it was 'Tender who wrote the review on Lateralus, and in the review it said that Tool only perfrom Ticks and Leeches once. After the studio recording of it, Maynards voice was shot for THREE weeks. Do you know how long three weeks is? As far as I'm concerned, noone can perform Ticks and Leeches. Thats like saying "so and so can jump off the Empire State Building." Yeah, so what, anyone could, but they would die.

As for The Grudge, that's just flat out amazing. Ticks and Leeches is as well, but you know what I'm trying to get at here.

[x the patient x6]

In the defence of Maynard...you try singing ticks and leeches live..or even the grudge 24 screem.

on that note

he did ticks and leeches live only once with a weird vocal effect on it because there were some celebrities in the audience, and he was all "wanna a pillow for you ****ing seat?" or something like that, i forget the details

[Cort2003]

My friend went to a Tool concert in Oklahoma City when they were on their Lateralus tour, and he said that they played Ticks and Leeches.

[SickoKid]

I have a video of him doing it. He uses some effect on the microphone or something so it sounds like he is screaming and stuff. It would be awesome to see that live, let alone anything live of theirs. I can get you the link for the video of Ticks And Leaches if anybody wants?

[Werny]

Sicko, I have that vid too. It wasn't because of the celebrities, it was the last concert of the tour with the Fantomas (GO BUZZ!) so they did "a song we normally don't play". He says the song's name is "Buzz has a hairlip" or something. Hehe, Buzz.

[clearvision]

Right people...I have news (kind of)

My friend posts on Manson USA alot http://mansonusa.com . Apparently some dude that posts there as links in with some of the major venues for tours in the US. And he says Tool are touring in July. Could be a load of bollocks, but if it's true... Sureley it means tickets will be on sale soon...and the album is coming soon! They better hurry up, radiohead albums are taking over my life at the minute :(

[Kage]

I have a video of him doing it. He uses some effect on the microphone or something so it sounds like he is screaming and stuff. It would be awesome to see that live, let alone anything live of theirs. I can get you the link for the video of Ticks And Leaches if anybody wants?

I'd really like to see that link.

And to clearvision, it will be interesting to see if anything pans out from that *rumor*. I'm not going to get my hopes too high up, but it's nice to finally have something to latch on to.