Tool

[Otherside]

Well here it is, my 1000th post, and there would be no better place to have it than in the best thread on these forums. So heres to another 1,000 posts.
-toasts-

[jamesclelland]

hes been shown in judith as well, but they didn't really want to do that type of video.

as for the whammy bar i mentioned earlier, remedy said good idea. give credit to adam jones. he tunes the 6th string to b and pulls the whammy till the string is hanging there. thats one of most interesting non-effect effect i've ever heard.

[G_Mac07]

Cheers to Otherside :chug:

And without doing a search on this thread, can somebody tell me who Zaum are? I think I might check them out if they're Tool related. I see them mentioned in the thread preview. Thanks.

[Kurrpt]

hes in the outsider as well

[(LOKI)]

I think Die Eier Von Satan is the 665/667 of Tool, so yeah I think they did it to make fun of the notion that they're satanic.

have you read the translation of the lyrics?

[jamesclelland]

the translation in no secret anymore. it's cool that he puts hashish in the recipe though.
for those of you who don't know, check out toolshed.down.net, and go to lyrics. they have the german and english translation.

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

hes in the outsider as well
heh, that geeky kid.

[Daven]

What you said makes no sense, but I can try.

Either:
1) Except for the band, no one knows what the CD is called.

2) They're in studio now, so it's obviously going very well, at least now we know for sure it's coming out this year.

sorry its difficult for me to use the correct words sometimes, but thanx

[G_Mac07]

I just finally finished downloading a bootleg video of Ticks & Leeches. Although the sound and picture quality wasn't 100%, I must say, it would have been amazing to be there. It just made me appreciate Tool slightly more, seeing how awesome there shows look. It's a pity Maynard and Justin weren't shown too much in it, but watching Danny and Adam play was cool. Thats all for now, consider this a bump :p

[jensmatty]

haha its funny, on the FAQ on toolshed, they said Maynard didn't want to do ticks & leeches live because the screaming rooted his voice for 3 weeks lol, When they do it live the vocals sound pretty sketchy coz I think they're using an effect for it instead of him screaming so that he could still do the rest of the freakin set lol. awsome live.

[G_Mac07]

Yeah I'm pretty sure Maynard was using an effect on his voice, although the SUCK ME DRY screams came out quite well with it.

[Werny]

I've read the translation of the Die Eier Von Satan lyrics and it shows they're making fun of the Satanic notion because people will/would've go "oh, what a satanic song, this band is blasphemous!" but it's just a cake recipe. Soundgarden did the same thing, in two songs they had drums and warped guitar and Cornell screaming "santa, i love you baby (or something along those lines) but it was reversed so it sounded evil.

G_Mac, I have that video, but I don't remember seeing Maynard at all. And I do think that they're just using a scream effect on his voice.

[jensmatty]

Yeah I'm pretty sure Maynard was using an effect on his voice, although the SUCK ME DRY screams came out quite well with it.
I think the scream for that was authentic lOl, but then the rest he pretty much just said the lyrics, you can hear it cracking out and stuff while he's singing. but it's still awsome, and fair enough that he refuses to do it live. must be painful to scream like that for that long! lol

[G_Mac07]

Maynard can be seen it the video up the back, drinking bottles of water during the softer parts without vocals. Preparing for the scream I guess.

[jensmatty]

Vocalists sure love those bottles of water, with good reason of course. but still. Mer de noms live maynards holding a bottle the entire concert lol.

[estel]

I'm not surprised - Maynard has some punishing screams
The length alone of the screams in Eulogy, Ticks and Leeches and The Grudge would be enough to pain anyone.

Just while we're talking about Maynard, mentioning Eulogy reminded me of something I've wondered -
What does Maynard (I assume it's Maynard, but it could be a sample) say during the break in Eulogy where Adam plays the arpeggiated B/E chord with pick slides? When he does the pick slides, there's definitely something said in the background

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Maynard can be seen it the video up the back, drinking bottles of water during the softer parts without vocals. Preparing for the scream I guess.

I always wondered why there was the dragged out mellow part in that song. Now i know. Im guessing during it, MJk goes backstage and has throat surgery to do the last part of the song. The water thing was probably a one off.

[G_Mac07]

Well in that case, for those of you who were lucky enough to see the Lateralus tour, did they play The Grudge? and did Maynard do the scream?

Also, nobody has answered my Zuam question :upset:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I havent seen them live, but I did find a live video of The Grudge, and he held it for 3/4 of the time he does on the album. Unfortunately the camera is almost constatly fixed on danny the whole way through, so you never get to see how MJk is sustaining it

[G_Mac07]

A camera fixed on Danny isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially in a song like Ticks & Leeches. Although, I don't find his work in The Grudge as brilliant to listen to though.

[Dancin' Man]

All this talk of live footage makes me want the new album to come out so that they tour.

[clearvision]

A camera fixed on Danny isn't necessarily a bad thing, especially in a song like Ticks & Leeches. Although, I don't find his work in The Grudge as brilliant to listen to though.

The fills at the end are amazing :eek:

[the2stranger]

I'm not surprised - Maynard has some punishing screams
The length alone of the screams in Eulogy, Ticks and Leeches and The Grudge would be enough to pain anyone.

Just while we're talking about Maynard, mentioning Eulogy reminded me of something I've wondered -
What does Maynard (I assume it's Maynard, but it could be a sample) say during the break in Eulogy where Adam plays the arpeggiated B/E chord with pick slides? When he does the pick slides, there's definitely something said in the background


"I'm too smart when you're invisible by the bone and the symbol on you. So he bashes his skull through the window while over looking the sea. Twilight amber ego. We were amused by this"


and I don't think it's Maynard.
I guess it's a quote of someone, and I gues it's a tape

[jensmatty]

I havent seen them live, but I did find a live video of The Grudge, and he held it for 3/4 of the time he does on the album. Unfortunately the camera is almost constatly fixed on danny the whole way through, so you never get to see how MJk is sustaining it
I have 2 live videos, I think I have a 2001 concert and a 2002 concert, lol, im trying to get others... but one of em shows maynard do the entire scream and he stands there leaning back a little with his head looking at the roof holding the mic up and it looks like every single muscle in his entire body is getting the cr@p beaten out of it to do the scream for half a minute. but he gets a good cheer at the end so its all worth it :) gotta love bootleg haha. After the bandwidth's reset im gonna look for some of their earlier live concerts...

[The JoZ]

The fills at the end are amazing :eek:

Fills? It's a drum solo, pretty much, and it is honestly the best thing he's ever done.

Tick and Leeches is great, but I don't see how anyone could rate T&L over the last 30 seconds or so of The Grudge.

[jensmatty]

^^ Because parts of T&L are a lot more simple than they sound, and parts are a lot more complex than they sound lol. And because it's the only song remotely like it on the album, so it stands out.

On another, more disturbing note, I was reading the FAQ on toolshed, and then I read the lyrics for 4 degrees after hearing maynards little theory about anal sex (4 degrees warmer than "normal" etc) And well, Lets just say I dont suggest it, it's freaking disgusting lol. for example "Locked up inside you like the calm beneath castles, A cavern of treasures that no one has been to." *cough* I wonder?

[(LOKI)]

so i'm a huge tool fan and have been waiting ages for this to come through the post and it finaly has :D

http://www.backstreetmerch.com/kerrang/item.asp?id=tool06

[Adam Jones is GOD]

You sold your soul to satan* for it? Nice bag, didnt realise they did them. As long as theydont do the Kiss thing with merchendise.

Ill stick with the shirts


*kerrang

[Huber]

You sold your soul to satan* for it? Nice bag, didnt realise they did them. As long as theydont do the Kiss thing with merchendise.

Ill stick with the shirts


*kerrang

Tool action figures. LMAO

[Adam Jones is GOD]

In stock this week, the Maynard James Keenan Barbie doll!

Comes complete with
- Oversized lungs
- 200 different outfits and wigs
- Kung Fu fan *** kicking action

Order now and get a free Danny Carey doll! with supersonic arms and free raiders jersey

Only £500 or $40!

1/16 scale. Danny doll still about 2 foot tall. Not suitable for kids over 18. Maynard doll may contain poison. Anti fan boy mace not included. Toy may explode on opening. Adam and Justin dolls to come soon. Price does not include toy

[jensmatty]

^^ haha swish.

[SickoKid]

Hey everyone, sorry for this but I don't feel like going through all the pages again. My favourites got deleted and I was wondering what that site was for the music videos?

[clearvision]

Search you fool. SEARCH

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Search you fool. SEARCH

To be fair, the search for something like that is a difficult task. This is why I think tat the first page should be edited to include all big links and other useful information (recommended songs, best albums to to get, etc). I've suggested it before but it seemed to get overlooked.

(so hopefully SFK will see and consider it)

[G_Mac07]

^ That is a good idea, but I doubt anyone new would look at it unless they posted here, and we then directed them to the first page. It would only be a good idea, if something mentioning links and recommended songs could be seen on the Thread Preview.

[clearvision]

http://www.musictelevisionsucks.net/search.php

Search for Tool, and the video should be there (If you're on dial up, not really worth it though)

Plus there are a lot of great live videos there

The search works well, SFK should sort the front page out, Toolownsyou is no longer here to edit :(

[Adam Jones is GOD]

^ That is a good idea, but I doubt anyone new would look at it unless they posted here, and we then directed them to the first page. It would only be a good idea, if something mentioning links and recommended songs could be seen on the Thread Preview.

Most of the time, the new people will click on the thread name rather than the last reply, which would direct them to the first post. This would cut down on half of those repetitve questions. But I guess once the official threads lose their powers, most peole will just be starting new threads to ask in any case

[jensmatty]

And then they'll get temporarily banned for breaking forum rules.

[G_Mac07]

Most of the time, the new people will click on the thread name rather than the last reply, which would direct them to the first post. This would cut down on half of those repetitve questions. But I guess once the official threads lose their powers, most peole will just be starting new threads to ask in any case

Ahh I see. From my first day on MX, I changed my view so that the most recent posts show up first. Now that I realise I can do that, I think I shall change it back to normal. Thanks for letting me know I can do that.

/heads to User CP

[Werny]

Listened to The Grudge today. Even though my burnt copy (I had to say it... I couldn't hide it any longer *cries* I AM going to buy it though!) is crap due to the fact that my computer nearly completely distorts songs when they're burnt, I was still able to realise that this song is pure perfection, a masterpiece of music. There was not one moment where I thought "jeez this song is pretty long", in fact I didn't want it to end!

[drum2k]

I got a question. Is there a tool "forum" anywhere on the net? Cos i done a google search and havent found one! it sucks

[Werny]

There's one at toolshed.down.net, click on Opinion. I don't think it's visited very often though, which is very strange.

[Turbonegro]

tool and a perfect circle are both in my top 5 favorite bands there amazin.

tools albums over the years are gettin more progressive which i luv, i wounder what they will produce next.

a perfect cirlces albums are just as good but i was disappointed by there new album. there first album mer de noms was amazing with hits like judith and 3 libras. there next album thirteenth step is my favorite album of all time. i love the noose and blue but there new album doesnt compare to there old ones, it really good but nowhere near as good as the other two albums

[static]

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
ignore that

[Druumer89]

thanks for letting us know...i had no idea

[AEDICULA]

danny carey arranged his drums in a unicursal hexagram pattern that resembled the geometry layout for the Temple of Solomon...and it released a deamon?

[magicbus]

Listened to The Grudge today. Even though my burnt copy (I had to say it... I couldn't hide it any longer *cries* I AM going to buy it though!) is crap due to the fact that my computer nearly completely distorts songs when they're burnt, I was still able to realise that this song is pure perfection, a masterpiece of music. There was not one moment where I thought "jeez this song is pretty long", in fact I didn't want it to end!

Isn't it great? I absolutely love that song, in fact that entire cd. I'm probably going to buy it today, because my burned copy cut the transitions into each song, so there are a few seconds of silence in between. It really sucks.

[drum2k]

Just a question, which part of any tool song do you like the most, like 10 second section? For me its gotta be either Danny Careys solo in 46+2 or maynards singing in the patient "i must keep reminding myself of this" - sends a shiver down my spine. Awesome stuff.

[In Chains34]

As you can see, I was a huge AiC band back in the day but Tool is by far my favorite band currently.

Despite, the great lyrics (of the song) Opiate, the EP was very mediocre. But it WAS where they started and we knew from that album that they had a good sound and that they would improve.

Undertow was a great ****ing album, right behind Aenima. The song Undertow has great lyrics, as does Sober. Lyrics that are deep but not pretentious.

Aenima is easily my favorite album OF ALL. Yes, it beats AiC's Dirt easily. Jesus ****ing Christ, where do I start?
Okay, I believe that "H", clearly about H or heroin, has absolutely brilliant lyrics. You've got the typical Biblical references, and the "killing me considerately" basically saying that the heroin is killing you feels so inhumanly great.
Aenima is a ****ing badass song. I agree with everything in the song and the pun of the song relating to flushing away LA and the enema(removing **** with liquid). **** THAT MANIPULATING PIG****ED FASCIST(Hubbard)!
One thing I haven't been able to figure out in Eulogy is if they're eulogizing an actual person and if so.. who? Bill Hicks, (ironically) L Ron Hubbard?
Sorry I left out some other greats: Hooker..., Stinkfist, etc

The Lateralus album is more of the long and artsy progressive stuff that defines Tool (sorry, but I didn't like Opiate because it bordered on being punk).
The Grudge is brilliant with the 25sec yell and the lyrics of course are brilliant.
The Patient, Lateralus, Schism, Parabol(a), are great too.

I can't wait for the new album.

And theories of Tool? Well, they follow those of Bill Hicks and they hate organized religion. They hate fake people as shown in Aenema. And what can I say? All of those that say that the members or lyrics of Tool are pretentious? I can see it at some points, but the band is too great to dwell on.

Two things that annoyed me... Maynard mispronounces "solace" and he says "void of hate" when he should say "devoid of hate". Other than that? Tool ****ing owns.

Awaiting angry messages from hardcore Tool fans.

[In Chains34]

46 and 2 is the best song. (Did I leave that out?) Yeah, f*cking brilliant bass intro.

[AEDICULA]

i have been a tool fan since aenima was released, but perfect circle's last release made me loose a little respect for maynard.

[clearvision]

One thing I haven't been able to figure out in Eulogy is if they're eulogizing an actual person and if so.. who? Bill Hicks, (ironically) L Ron Hubbard?
Sorry I left out some other greats: Hooker..., Stinkfist, etc

I think the general consensus is that the song is about martyrs in general. Whose aim is to be idolized like jesus. But their heart isn't in it, they are just loooking for fame.


(sorry, but I didn't like Opiate because it bordered on being punk).


Punk! :lol:


Two things that annoyed me... Maynard mispronounces "solace" and he says "void of hate" when he should say "devoid of hate". Other than that? Tool ****ing owns.

Maynard says what he wants, with references to the songs we may have a celarer picture of what you are getting at. Lyrics to tool songs can be read straight from Maynards hands @ http://toolshed.down.net

[clearvision]

i have been a tool fan since aenima was released, but perfect circle's last release made me loose a little respect for maynard.

When Maynard played the least part in that album?

[In Chains34]

Punk!

lol, are you calling me a punk or laughing at the fact that I called some of the album "Punk"?
Sorry but saying "**** everything" with quick riffs in the background sounds a little punk.

I think the general consensus is that the song is about martyrs in general. Whose aim is to be idolized like jesus. But their heart isn't in it, they are just loooking for fame.

Cool, I was hoping they weren't just talking about one person... Gives the song more meaning.

[jamesclelland]

i'm not sure if your questions been answered, i saw tool play the grudge there last tour. amazing.

I've not lost respect for him since the latest apc release, i just like apc as much. I still appreciate what he does, just wasn't a fan of the remixes and covers. with the exception of passive. i cant get that song out of my head.

[In Chains34]

I like A Perfect Circle, I'm seeing them when they come to Boston. However, I AM hoping that they have more songs like "Judith".

[clearvision]

I was saying Opiate is no way punk.

The first few pages of this thread are on Eulogy, check em out.

[In Chains34]

Hush and Cold and Ugly...

[AEDICULA]

i respect maynard a lot, so a little lost doesn't change much... i wonderd if perfect circle's last album was a cop out so maynard could focus on tool more?... it just seems that tool's image contrasts so with perfect circles... i have see both, and both deliver...

[clearvision]

I think APC's last album was a political statement, knocked up to prove a point...that the world is sh!te and people should think and vote.

[In Chains34]

I think APC's last album was a political statement, knocked up to prove a point...that the world is sh!te and people should think and vote.

Yup, Emotive was garbage despite my slight interest in politics.

[clearvision]

It wasn't garbage, Passive, counting bodies and Imainge were cool. And the idea of the albumw as to get people to take a deeper intrest in politics.

[AEDICULA]

a perfect circle had the best stage set i have ever seen... maynard sang behind a drum of fabric and his shadow was projected onto it from behind. they played in this forest of metal trees. the ends of the branches lit up. lots of shadowy folded fabric too... like a david lynch movie or something... does anyone know where i can get trees like that? the acoustics Sounded like crap though... the mars volta opened for APC and I COULDN'T EVEN HEAR THEM.
sang is a stupid looking word.

[clearvision]

The mars volta and APC. B@stard, you shouldda bl0ody heard em!

[AEDICULA]

mars volta's new release compaired to tool's new release, i don't know what to be more excited for...or maybe system of a down?

[panasonic youth]

I'm ancipiating tools new stuff, but I don't know what to expect, a new sound of tool or the same type of stuff but different sound (if you know what I mean)...Maynard forever!

[AEDICULA]

i anticipate some great tribal souding drumming...

[In Chains34]

Mars Volta and Xiu Xiu are big hits around my friends.
I like my **** heavier. Those bands are very good and talented but it just doesn't whet my musical taste.

[funk_rock_jazz_drummer]

So i own Lateralus. And i think It is an amazing album. Im a little low on cash so i dont want to go out and buy all of them, so which album would you reccomend to me? thanks.

[^Dream~Theater^]

Aenima

[In Chains34]

Yup, Aenima is def the best.

[Magicaltroll]

aenima
its great, listen to 46 and 2

[drum2k]

i respect maynard a lot, so a little lost doesn't change much... i wonderd if perfect circle's last album was a cop out so maynard could focus on tool more?... it just seems that tool's image contrasts so with perfect circles... i have see both, and both deliver...
I think maybe their last album was just a quick release cos they had to do that to stick to the record contract terms or seomthing, they havent had too much love with their label

[TOOLphreak_46and2]

aenima
its great, listen to 46 and 2


what is it with only the Ænima CD?? i mean come on...its good and all but what about the songs off of Opiate,Salival,Undertow...Lateralus?? i think a good song is 4° (4 degrees) but i do agree with you on Ænema and Forty-Six & 2 being awesome songs...!!! \m/ lOuD iS lOvE!!!

Watch the weather change..... :)

[GeeTarus]

A friend of mine, who is also a huge TOOL fan, told me that their last album, Lateralus, was written like the steps of the Kabbalah. Each song was, in a sense, written about those steps. The only song that wasn't written in that format was "Ticks and Leeches", notice that it sounds a little heavier and different from the rest.

[9 sides]

i have been a tool fan since aenima was released, but perfect circle's last release made me loose a little respect for maynard.

If you are referring to Thirteenth Step, I have to agree. It was a big disappointment for me. It really lacked cohesion and punch. I did love Vanishing however. I havent been able to hear most of emotive yet...

[G_Mac07]

If you are referring to Thirteenth Step, I have to agree. It was a big disappointment for me. It really lacked cohesion and punch. I did love Vanishing however. I havent been able to hear most of emotive yet...

eMOTIVE was A Perfect Circle's last release. And Thirteenth Step was a great release, but I can respect that you may not enjoy it.

[willis2441]

why does anema have so many tracks and when is the new album comin out?

[G_Mac07]

To answer the first question, it is probably because of the many shorter tracks, ie: Intermission, Message to Harry Manback, Die Eier Von Satan, Useful Idiot. I can't see why anyone might complain about an album having too many tracks though. (You didn't, but I'm curious to why you asked)

Secondly, a release date for the new album has not been set. As far as we know, writing/recording is still in progress.

[In Chains34]

I absolutely LOVED Undertow, but Aenima even blew that jem away with two of my favorite songs by Tool (46 & 2 and H) and also the AMOUNT of quality songs on it. I mean, talk about a band giving us our money's worth. I'da paid $100 for that album if there were no way to pirate.

[Sleeper]

a perfect circle had the best stage set i have ever seen... maynard sang behind a drum of fabric and his shadow was projected onto it from behind. they played in this forest of metal trees. the ends of the branches lit up. lots of shadowy folded fabric too... like a david lynch movie or something... does anyone know where i can get trees like that? the acoustics Sounded like crap though... the mars volta opened for APC and I COULDN'T EVEN HEAR THEM.
sang is a stupid looking word.
Yeh there stage set up is insane, they usualy open up with vanishing at there concerts.

[AEDICULA]

A friend of mine, who is also a huge TOOL fan, told me that their last album, Lateralus, was written like the steps of the Kabbalah. Each song was, in a sense, written about those steps. The only song that wasn't written in that format was "Ticks and Leeches", notice that it sounds a little heavier and different from the rest.

the lateralus order is based off of the fibonaccii sequence, that is the order the album is supposed to be played. i read that there were versions of that album made for the band members and such.

the fibonaccii sequence is the ratio that describes the golden ratio of dividing something in half, and then half into half, and so fourth... this geometry will create a perfect spiral, as it appears in nature...like lateralus "ride the spiral to the end, may just go where no one's been"...that is my inturpretation.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

To answer the first question, it is probably because of the many shorter tracks, ie: Intermission, Message to Harry Manback, Die Eier Von Satan, Useful Idiot. I can't see why anyone might complain about an album having too many tracks though. (You didn't, but I'm curious to why you asked)

Secondly, a release date for the new album has not been set. As far as we know, writing/recording is still in progress.

Just a note I wanted to make about Aenima. i've seen a lot of complaints around these forums that it was full of too many pointless filler tracks and that it makes it less of an album. However, I find that the filler tracks on Aenima are probbaly some of the best filler tracks on any album. The way they break up the big epic songs make the album (think about what I mean when saying this - ) easier to listen to. And if they dont have musical credit, tracks like (-) Ions are well produced to create an interesting effect.

Apart from Cesaro Summability. That track makes me feel very moraly wrong inside

[clearvision]

The tracks have some meaning to them, i think it was in this thread that someone mentioned intermission being the calm before a storm or something?

The fibbonaci sequence is 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13...

You add the two previous numbers together to get the next one.

It appears in nature quite a bit and is pleasing to the mind much like the golden ration and phi.

/maths geek :(

[TheSubtleArts]

ok i understand the fibbonaci sequence and phi, but what exactlly is the golden ratio that i hear about alot in this thread?

[clearvision]

Hmmz, i really don't know the ins and outs of it. But it is apparently a ratio that involves an artist drawing the main theme at one point in his canvas, which pleases the eye. I'm not an artist however and I have only heard this in passing.

[jamesclelland]

(-) Ions, this track as most of you know, does mean something. negative ions create happiness. it's a little more technical but thats the jist of it. intermission is jimmy an octave or two higher at a faster pace. you could see it as life was great, having fun, then you come of age and life sucks. you cant find yourself, your stress level can be unbearable. allaborate please, but that is the basics of what i feel intermission and jimmy mean. the other ones, don't ask me, took me long enough to get the two.

[In Chains34]

They should have called it anions.

[The JoZ]

Or, honestly, they could have not done them at all.

I love the songs on Aenima, but the filler...not so much.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I think the fact they put them on there shows that they were making their album, not one that was made to be liked. Besides, most bands who fill their albums with filler material do it often to make up for lack of songs. There was no problem like that for Tool.

Though the filler parts on 13th step I find weak.

[drum2k]

ANALYSIS OF LATERALUS

To me, Tool's Lateralus is the most amazing piece of music ever composed. I think Tool deliberately wanted to give their fans something truly amazing, but wanted them to find it on their own. "Recognize this as a holy gift..." At first, I thought that the song Lateralus was about tripping acid - discovering true color by seperating the body from the mind. At first listen, I imagined the bending envelope as an intense visual. After becoming more familiar with the track, however, I had reformed my interpretation to something broader: think deeper. Lateralus, perhaps because it is the album's "title track", serves as the central clue for a puzzle that a friend of mine had read about somewhere on the internet. "All I know is that there is a different order for the songs - something about two spirals. Oh yeah, and thirteen is in the middle." After scavenging through endless google search results, I gave up on finding more about this 'alternate order'. Intent to figure the album out, and very curious about the spirals - I put on the proverbial 'thinking cap'. I understood how the spirals could have a lot of significance, in that the album's title track offers the inspiring, "swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human..........And following our will and wind we may just go where no one's been. We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been." In my internet scavenging, I had read one review, written by a drummer, who mentioned that Danny Carey's drum beat formed a fibonacci sequence during the song Lateralus. A drummer myself, I decided to get out the graph paper and follow Danny. I can't play like he can, but at least I can hear everything he's doing, and thus was able to construct the drum tabulature. Sure enough, Danny repeats a Fibonacci sequence through the number 13: 1,1,2,3,5,8,13. After 13, he starts again with 1. Bringing in my Algebra 2 knowledge of the Fibonacci sequence, when the equation for the Fibonacci sequence (which I don't actually know) is graphed, it forms a sprial whose vertex depends on the number at which the sequence begins. Coincidence? I began to think not. I had already known of Danny's obsession with sacred geometry and am familiar with Bob Frissell's book, Nothing in This Book Is True, But It's Exactly How Things Are , so the significance of what I had stumbled upon had actually begun to settle in. This is where I just had to play with Lateralus. I had doodled a few spirals in the corners of my graph paper, and in doing so made the first important connection to Lateralus. I knew that if the tracks were in fact intended to be heard in a different order, "Parabol" and "Parabola" would have to go together. In drawing my spirals, I had begun with a vertex and 'spiraled' outwards. After writing the numbers 1 through 13 linearly, I could immediately see that Parabol and Parabola would have to be the middle of my spiral (in that 13 / 2 = 6.5). I drew a simple arrow between 6 and 7 and then pondered the next pair. At first, I actually drew a spiral connecting pairs of numbers whose sum equaled 13 (the number of songs on the album). This, however, left the last track in the same position and without anything to connect to. At this time, I had used my copy of Lateralus and Cool Edit Pro to take out the silences between tracks and put the songs in the following order: 6,7,5,8,4,9,3,10,2,11,1,12,13. The transition from Parabola into Schism blew my mind, as the plucks, probably dismissed by listeners as a drawn out rant of an ending, perfectly transition into the beginning of Schism. When you count out beats as the strings are plucked, Schism resumes with the same time signature and tempo - mirroring the progression of notes. The transition from Schism into Ticks & Leeches is equally intriguing. Schism ends with strong double-kick bass and tom smacks, and Ticks & Leeches begins with what many would call a 'tribal' drum beat. The beat at the very start of Ticks & Leeches is slightly different every subsequent time it is repeated - the measures are two beats longer. Yup - you guessed it - those two beats are ACTUALLY the last two beats of Schism. I can honestly say that I never understood the album's fourth track, Mantra until reordering the album's songs. What I had originally heard as whale calls now had begun to resemble the worst imaginable dry heaves - or a stylized choking. Fitting, seeing as how the last line in Ticks & Leeches is "I hope you choke." After this transition, none of those following it really seemed to make much sense. I certainly didn't like that Disposition and Reflection had been seperated - as they sound quite good when played sequentially on the album. This was the only real roadblock in my disciphering of the Holy Gift. Then I had remembered what my friend had told me - 13 was in the middle. At the time, probably just wanting to believe that there was more to this cd, I had equated this to the positioning of the song "Intermission" on the previous release, Ænema. For the song to be in the 'middle' of the album it would have to be the seventh track in sequence, here having six tracks on either side of it. So I inserted Faaip de Oiad after Lateralus, and almost peed my pants when I discovered that (ever-so-faintly) the fading tone of the last note of Lateralus could be heard in beginning of Faaip de Oiad, and how the distortion of the guitars at the tail end of Lateralus resembled, and later transitioned seamlessly into, the static at the beginning of Faaip de Oiad. The lyrics of Lateralus justify this break in the spiral, almost instructing: "spiral out, keep going, spiral out, keep going." I went back to Lateralus to find the next clue. In Danny Carey's amazingly competent Fibonacci sequence, he had stopped at 13 and gone back to 1. This is what I chose to do to finish the sequence. A second spiral was now constucted, and the order for the Holy Gift now became 6,7,5,8,4,9,13,1,12,2,11,3,10. Already many of you are probably fascinated at what I have revealed to you, but I can not even begin to tell you what this new order has opened up for me. The beauty of Lateralus is very, very fragile and has to be viewed with a very open mind. It can also be different when looked at from different points of view. Aside from the fact that the new order of the songs places them in an order where they flow together nicely - often ending and resuming on the same notes or within the same progression, and some times - in the case of Lateralus into Faaip de Oiad and The Grudge into Triad - even overlapping (though admittadly sound much better when actually electronically overlapped, this is kind of cheating. Consider this a hint, however, if you plan on doing this yourself), the two spirals help to tell a story that every Tool fan should hear. In the interest of not boring the only casually intrigued, I will try to keep this very brief. I would also recommend familiarizing yourselves with Frissell's book (yeah - the one I mentioned earlier). I consider Parabol and Parabola to be quite expository. Maynard wants us to know that no matter what happens, we must all know that this is not our only existance. Our very minds and the contents of our subconscious are intended to be immortal, and if we accept this into our lives (be it because of personal or religious reasons), it will be so. As such, pain is an illusion. At first, I called it "The Lateralus Prophecy" (for reasons you will soon understand), but I have since decided to call the 'reordered' version of Lateralus "The Holy Gift". As Maynard says, "Recognize this as a holy gift and celebrate this chance to be alive and breathing," I take the word "this" to mean much more than just his simple cautioning. Since Parabola is the second track of the Holy Gift, it can be considered at the beginning (esp. considering the context of it's duality with Parabol), and as such, I interpret Maynard's words as more than just clever lyrics in a song. They are a plead for his listeners to listen to everything he has to say and truly celebrate the chance of immortality offered throughout. I would be lying if I said that each song has a specific translation. On the contrary, Tool's music is designed to make you think, not say something specific. It must be treated like great literature - much is hidden contextually.

edit: Sorry, thort i mentioned this was not my own, my friend sent it to me, the original source is unkown to me. and another thing, forgive me if you HAVE all seen this before, i havent.. and i foudn it pretty **** cool.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

^^ We've seen that before, if you post the link to the website you found it on, it'll be cool. I keep misplacing it.

If you did type that out yourself, its very very similar to what i've read before

[Sleeper]

I think the fact they put them on there shows that they were making their album, not one that was made to be liked. Besides, most bands who fill their albums with filler material do it often to make up for lack of songs. There was no problem like that for Tool.

Though the filler parts on 13th step I find weak.
I did like crimes though, the only filler i liked on that cd.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

^^ We've seen that before, if you post the link to the website you found it on, it'll be cool. I keep misplacing it.

If you did type that out yourself, its very very similar to what i've read before

I found a site on it last night and bookmarked it.

http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/question/insight7.html

Found it.^^ Enjoy.

To Drum2k, I liked your version better. It was more concise. :thumb:

[Kage]

I did like crimes though, the only filler i liked on that cd.

I think Lullaby was great, it ended Pet perfectly and just flowed really well in my opinion. I recently realized the greatness of that album. For awhile, I just let APC mull around in Tool's massive shadow, but I finally listened to them with an unbiased approach, and they really are amazing.

[The JoZ]

I honestly don't like any filler. If I buy a band's album, I want music. Random noises, phone calls, stuff like that, are not songs.

[Kage]

I honestly don't like any filler. If I buy a band's album, I want music. Random noises, phone calls, stuff like that, are not songs.

I can see where you're coming from, there. But a lot of times the "filler" adds to the flow of the album, where it gives it a more conceptual feel and I think the bands that add filler tastefully really put it in there for a reason.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I have a question about The Grudge's guitar intro. I know one guitar is just plucking, hammer/pull pluck on the 6 string, but I was wondering, is the second guitar a bass, or what? Sorry if I'm not clear on this, but it's the best I could describe it.

[Kage]

I'm pretty sure it's the bass, but then the guitar starts playing the same thing a few measures into it. I could be wrong, though.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I can see where you're coming from, there. But a lot of times the "filler" adds to the flow of the album, where it gives it a more conceptual feel and I think the bands that add filler tastefully really put it in there for a reason.

Agreed. There are 3 types of albums for me.
1) A collection of songs place on a CD that dont necessarily go together well, but are great on their own
2) A collection of songs that work with each other to build up an overall mood
3) The 80% utter waste of a good CD albums that are out there

The filler works best on option 2. When put in with option 2, thats when they annoy the hell out of me.

[the12thplanet]

I have a question about The Grudge's guitar intro. I know one guitar is just plucking, hammer/pull pluck on the 6 string, but I was wondering, is the second guitar a bass, or what? Sorry if I'm not clear on this, but it's the best I could describe it.

im almost definitely sure it is bass.
take a look at the bass tab from tooltabs.net

http://www.tooltabs.net/tabs/tool/bass/lateralus/the_grudge.htm

it sounds right to me

[TheSubtleArts]

i think one of the only problem with that theory of the spiral thing in Lateralus is that last note of the second track, Eon Blue Apocalypse rings out into the beginning of The Patient. if you break that cycle and go from Eon Blue Apocalype into Reflections, it doesnt really fit it sound wise, but going from Refections into The Patient sounds like it could be right to me.

[mudvayne420]

Or, honestly, they could have not done them at all.

hey man they put these fillers in for a reason as to explain more the meaning of the album in whole, like many poeple have posted that you have to look at every song, whter it be a filler or not , to get the message behind the album.

thats just IMO

[In Chains34]

Speaking of bass. Lately, I've been obsessed with Intolerance because of the dark background the bass gives the song.

[G_Mac07]

To see older discussion of drum2K's post, go here:

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136377

Please don't bump that thread. And if we ever update the first page, that link should probably go there :)

[pigonthewing82]

I can see where you're coming from, there. But a lot of times the "filler" adds to the flow of the album, where it gives it a more conceptual feel and I think the bands that add filler tastefully really put it in there for a reason.

i totally agree with you, but i mean it was dissopointing to hear so many fillers on lateralus (im sorry i always spell that one wrong :upset: ) after we waited so long for it to come

[G_Mac07]

i totally agree with you, but i mean it was dissopointing to hear so many fillers on lateralus (im sorry i always spell that one wrong :upset: ) after we waited so long for it to come

There are 3 fillers on Lateralus, out of 13 songs. Eon Blue Apocalypse is very, very cool, and I find that Adams guitar on it leads nicely into The Patient, especially complimenting Justins bass line.

Mantra is indeed a filler track, but it is intriuging none the less. And Faaip de Oiad is a very spooky way for the album to end. I can't see how anyone would complain about Lateralus having too many filler tracks.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Does anybody know for sure what the noise is in Mantra? If not, just tell me what you think it is.

[estel]

For the person asking about the Golden Ratio - it's a ratio of approximately 1.6:1, and is the most visually pleasing ratio for the sides of a rectangle. The Greeks used it (in the desgin of Parthenon I think) and Da Vinci searched for the ratio in people (look for that picture of the outstretched man in a rectangle, it should be in the golden ratio).

As the noise of Mantra - I heard it was a slowed down recording of Maynard's siamese cat.

[G_Mac07]

Rumour is that it is the sound that one of Maynard's Siamese cats made when he squeezed it. Apparently he was so intrigued by the noise, that he recorded it, slowed it down, (I've also heard played it backwards), and made a song out of it. I've never seen any confirmed statement of what Mantra is though.

[magicbus]

I just bought Lateralus and Undertow, but I couldn't find Salival.


And I ****ing love them.

[x the patient x6]

i was always under the impression that the "filler" on lateralus was actually part of the fibannochi sequence track order, to even more so smoothly make the transition between songs, for a review

the re arranged track sequence goes 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 4, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12

so the first 3 songs transitions into each other is accurate (espically Eon Blue into The Patient) and then lighter exit of The Patient further enhances the lighter intro to Schism, and the heavier outro to Schism better suits the drummy intro to Ticks and Leeches, and after that theres Faaip which is open for discussion, but none the less a cool track, and then back around comes a strange ambient "Mantra" followed by the similar sounding Parabol which then leands to Parabola, and the guitar outro the Parabola is alike in dignity to the guitar intro the Lateralus, and then the last 3 were originally one long song to begin with, so thats that






meaning, that the filler tracks lubricated the transitions of the songs when rearragned properly

[magicbus]

Do you guys have a link to a site about this stuff? This is very intriguing.

[G_Mac07]

MagicBus, there are a few links to various site on the this page of the thread. The one I posted is an old thread regarding the alternate track order for lateralus, and should be read by anyone who is interested in it. A number of good links will be found by reading that thread also. And unless, you tried eBay, you won't find Salival. I was going to bid on it last week, but a speeding ticket put an end to that idea.

And x the patient x6, I agree with what your saying about the filler tracks and the alternate order.

[The JoZ]

The high end playing on The Grudge is all bass, for the record.

Adam is just sitting on the 0h1-0-0 pattern on the low D string.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

The high end playing on The Grudge is all bass, for the record.

Adam is just sitting on the 0h1-0-0 pattern on the low D string.

Is the bassist using an octave effect, or just playing a different part than Jones?

[The JoZ]

Justin is not using any octave effect, he's playing something slightly different.


G-----------14---------12---------17---------14
D---0h13p0----0h13p0-----0h13p0-----0h13p0---

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Allright, thanks :thumb: rep ++

[Jeff K]

Man, I love Tool. They're crazy like that. Definantly a band with a surplus of credibility.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

So, how many of you guys are Pink Floyd fans? I like how Jones put the keyboard riff from Shine on you Crazy Diamond into the end of The Grudge. If you want to hear it, listen to SOYCD at 1:13 and The Grudge at 7:36 or so. (Thanks Magicbus) They are both amazing songs, IMO, so enjoy.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

i was always under the impression that the "filler" on lateralus was actually part of the fibannochi sequence track order, to even more so smoothly make the transition between songs


Eon Blue Apocolypse is the 3rd number in the sequence, and Faaip de Oaidd is the 7th number in the sequence, but Mantra, being the fourth track, is not included in the pattern. It also does not work with the alternate track list.

[The JoZ]

I have seen Mantra included in the sequence more than once...

[Vandle]

Really? I missed that reference. Good for them, I hate Scientology...bunch of ****in' wackos IMO, and I generally tend to be pretty open minded towards New Religious Movements.


What makes you hate Scientology and what makes you think all that follow that religion are a bunch of wackos ?
Im curious for your answers because im reading a book all about Scientology at the moment, and so far it doesnt seem too bad of an idea..

[drum2k]

This might be a bit far fetched, but, "i know the pieces fit cos i watched them fall away" could that also be a reference to Lateralus in the 'alternative' sequence, which they then turned into the actual released sequence? i ono

[G_Mac07]

If the alternate order exists, I believe that line would be a significant referral to it, as stated in the older thread.

[Werny]

That order sounds very entertaining too, when I buy Lateralus I must do this. It'd be awesome tho begin the journey that is Lateralus with Parabol.

[jamesclelland]

that order wont sound right without a computer program to play the tracks in there complete entirety without pauses inbetween each song. You could probably hear what there talking about, but you'll have to really listen.

[pigonthewing82]

has anybody in here heard of bill hicks, if your a tool fan you should really listen to some of his stuff, it adds to tool because some of their songs are based off him, like third eye

[bassist-bmxer]

Justin is not using any octave effect, he's playing something slightly different.


G-----------14---------12---------17---------14
D---0h13p0----0h13p0-----0h13p0-----0h13p0---
he does use delay in that bit though.

[magicbus]

MagicBus, there are a few links to various site on the this page of the thread. The one I posted is an old thread regarding the alternate track order for lateralus, and should be read by anyone who is interested in it. A number of good links will be found by reading that thread also. And unless, you tried eBay, you won't find Salival. I was going to bid on it last week, but a speeding ticket put an end to that idea.

And x the patient x6, I agree with what your saying about the filler tracks and the alternate order.

Alright thanks man. And what's up with Salival? Not in stores for some reason?


:thumb: to Mushroom's post.

[-Obscurity-]

Alright thanks man. And what's up with Salival? Not in stores for some reason?




Sorry man, Salival is out of print. Best chance you have is here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=617&item=6363320184&rd=1

[Otherside]

ATTN: AJG: Vote for lateralus please :\

[Sleeper]

Alright thanks man. And what's up with Salival? Not in stores for some reason?.



You can look around at used cd stores, thats where i found my copy

[x the patient x6]

Eon Blue Apocolypse is the 3rd number in the sequence, and Faaip de Oaidd is the 7th number in the sequence, but Mantra, being the fourth track, is not included in the pattern. It also does not work with the alternate track list.

guh-buh? i are confused? could you please elaborate

[The JoZ]

he does use delay in that bit though.

This is true

But I was simply illustrating a point that he plays more notes than Adam does, it wasn't necessary to convey that he uses delay :thumb:

[TheSubtleArts]

when i first listened to Lateralus, my first thoughts were that the album had some sort of a space theme or something to do with extra terrestrials or something,, because of the words in Faaip de Oiad about Area 51 and aliens,, also the noise in Mantra made me think of the deepness and empyness of space or something.

[Kage]

when i first listened to Lateralus, my first thoughts were that the album had some sort of a space theme or something to do with extra terrestrials or something,, because of the words in Faaip de Oiad about Area 51 and aliens,, also the noise in Mantra made me think of the deepness and empyness of space or something.

I think there is some imagery in there that would suggest that.

I know I'm really behind on this, but I just heard Third Eye live off of Salival and I'm just completely blown away. That was amazing, I am in awe.

[x the patient x6]

when i first listened to Lateralus, my first thoughts were that the album had some sort of a space theme or something to do with extra terrestrials or something,, because of the words in Faaip de Oiad about Area 51 and aliens,, also the noise in Mantra made me think of the deepness and empyness of space or something.

Star Date: 1.4926

Saturn Ascends

[x the patient x6]

I think there is some imagery in there that would suggest that.

I know I'm really behind on this, but I just heard Third Eye live off of Salival and I'm just completely blown away. That was amazing, I am in awe.

have you heard Push it?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

There are two types of Tool fans. Those that think Pushit Live is the best. And those that think Third Eye is the best. Thankfully, we can all live in peace over it.

[joas]

That is so true. Haha.

[x the patient x6]

There are two types of Tool fans. Those that think Pushit Live is the best. And those that think Third Eye is the best. Thankfully, we can all live in peace over it.

theyre both very good, actually excellent, but he didnt say anything about Push it, and i was curious about whether he had heard it or not, unless he just downloaded solely Third Eye

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Most of the unlucky ones will have to download it, so im guessing its that.

Speaking of rare tracks, I would kill to get my hands on the extended versions of Stinkfist/Jerk-Off. So if anyone has them just lying around, my first born child is yours.

[Kage]

theyre both very good, actually excellent, but he didnt say anything about Push it, and i was curious about whether he had heard it or not, unless he just downloaded solely Third Eye

Yes, I am downloading :upset:

I think I will go download Pushit now, so I can decide on which side I stand.

[In Chains34]

There are two types of Tool fans. Those that think Pushit Live is the best. And those that think Third Eye is the best. Thankfully, we can all live in peace over it.

Hmm, that's a negative. I like the Bill Hicks cuts, but other than that, Third Eye is just a typical trip song. Pu**** is a great crescendo and one of my favorites; but no way it's my FAVORITE.

Do most Tool fans think that this is true?

[Kage]

Third Eye a "typical trip song" ?? That's about as far from the truth as possible. In my opinoion, Third Eye is one of the best composed rock songs ever, much less one of Tool's best songs. Pushit is amazing, but I don't know if Tool has a song (aside from maybe Lateralus or Reflection) that can top Third Eye.

[In Chains34]

Third Eye, to me, just seems like filler to make Tool seem pseudo-epic, which they aren't... They HAVE made some great long crescendos. I don't think that a song has to have flow to be great. But Third Eye is so random and it is too long to have such a lack of substance. Sorry guys. But Pu****, Eulogy, Lateralus, and The Grudge are MUCH, MUCH better long crescendos or epics than Third Eye, IMHO.

[Kage]

Well, I can see what you're saying but I strongly disagree. Tool is very epic, most of their songs have that quality, not just a few. I don't know the story at all behind Third Eye, but it seems like a manifestation of the end of the Aenima era or something to that effect.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Opinion noted, accepted, and disagreed with.

Merkaba on Salival is a similar style to Third Eye, its very experimental and not a standard rock epic. This is why I love Third Eye. Its different, its against the norm. It has a mood to it, and it sound slike some sort of raging monster. if all Tool songs were jsut another Third Eye, agreed, I would be fed up. But snce its a one off in a crowd of epic more familar format songs, it stands out even more.

And to add a Justin quote Re: Third Eye. "its the ultimate Aenima remix" I totally agree with that

[Kage]

Opinion noted, accepted, and disagreed with.

Merkaba on Salival is a similar style to Third Eye, its very experimental and not a standard rock epic. This is why I love Third Eye. Its different, its against the norm. It has a mood to it, and it sound slike some sort of raging monster. if all Tol songs were jsut another Third Eye, agreed, I would be fed up. But snce its a one off in a crowd of epic more familar format songs, it stands out even more.

And to add a Justin quote Re: Third Eye. "its the ultimate Aenima remix" I totally agree with that

Agreed.

[In Chains34]

Just so none of you misunderstand me... What I meant was that Tool IS NOT pseudo-epic, they, in fact, have many quality epic songs. I just think that Third Eye portrays them that way, because IMO it isn't a good song.

[The JoZ]

Third Eye is their most epic song, honestly.

And I would be one of the Tool fans that think Third Eye >> Pushit. I honestly don't really like Pushit at all, and I get :amaze: stares for it more often than not.

Lateralus has a ton of epic songs on there. In fact, the only songs I can think of that don't have that epic quality are Parabol, Ticks and Leeches, Eon Blue, Disposition and Triad

[Kage]

Third Eye is their most epic song, honestly.

And I would be one of the Tool fans that think Third Eye >> Pushit. I honestly don't really like Pushit at all, and I get :amaze: stares for it more often than not.

Lateralus has a ton of epic songs on there. In fact, the only songs I can think of that don't have that epic quality are Parabol, Ticks and Leeches, Eon Blue, Disposition and Triad

Yep. Third Eye is so dynamic...it flows seamlessly for 13 minutes with ups and downs, building tension and then relasing etc more times than many bands do in a full album. I don't know many people who can write a song like that.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Lateralus has a ton of epic songs on there. In fact, the only songs I can think of that don't have that epic quality are Parabol, Ticks and Leeches, Eon Blue, Disposition and Triad

Disposition, Reflection and Triad were one song at some stage in development. Which probably would have qualified it for most epic song. But i do agree, Lateralus is the epic king.

And if it goes out of the polls I will call an uprising from the Tool collective. that, or ill just give out a great big "meh."

[drum2k]

Anyone find it really hard to say a tool song is better than another? I've never had a favourite and never will, its a "group" of favourites, thats the vast majority

Note: anyone fancy 69 as a celebration of my post count? ACT FAST

[In Chains34]

Parabol and Parabola actually should be considered one song. Parabola is the better half sure, but that is another crescendo: Parabol into Parabola.

[In Chains34]

I think that most Tool fans would agree that Aenima is the best album, no?

[Danny Carey is GOD]

I think that most Tool fans would agree that Aenima is the best album, no?
I strongly disagree. I would say the majority of Tool fans do have a favourite album, however, saying Aenima is the 'best' album according to 'most Tool fans' is just absurd. You cannot generalise such a large group. Furthermore, i would say there is quite a few people who do not have a favourite album, myself included.

[-Obscurity-]

I think that most Tool fans would agree that Aenima is the best album, no?

That's a tough one, I see Lateralus as almost a continuation of Aenima. I did love the production on Aenima though, the depth that album has is incredible.

[G_Mac07]

I think that most Tool fans would agree that Aenima is the best album, no?

No, I would say Lateralus is their best release, although Aenima is definately not far behind.

And just for the record, I find Third Eye slightly greater than Pushit

[In Chains34]

I strongly disagree. I would say the majority of Tool fans do have a favourite album, however, saying Aenima is the 'best' album according to 'most Tool fans' is just absurd. You cannot generalise such a large group. Furthermore, i would say there is quite a few people who do not have a favourite album, myself included.

Alright bro, I respect your opinion but don't be the generalization police. It was just a question and something I've observed over the years from Tool fans. I could be wrong.
But I HATE it when people can't admit to having favorite songs/albums. "Ohh, I like them all!"--No ****, man! So do I. I just listen to certain songs more than others!

[x the patient x6]

Undertow is so overlooked, it might as well not exist if it didnt have Sober and Prison Sex on it, but in actuality, Flood is amazing after the audaciously long intro, and whats not to like about Disguestipated? its a cool kind of weird and mildly creepy, and really the rest of Undertow is very solid, slightly murky-er than the most recent 2. if i had to associate a color with it, it would be the muddy kind of grey thats in the liner notes of the picture of the band, whereas the colors i would associate with aenima and lateralus are more of the "cool' colors like teals, greens, blues, violets, and black. Opaite is very good in its own right, if it wasnt held up the expecation of aenima and lateralus...but i must admit, i am a lateralus kind of guy, but there are a few from aenima that are extremely good

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

Undertow is so overlooked, it might as well not exist if it didnt have Sober and Prison Sex on it, but in actuality, Flood is amazing after the audaciously long intro, and whats not to like about Disguestipated? its a cool kind of weird and mildly creepy, and really the rest of Undertow is very solid, slightly murky-er than the most recent 2. if i had to associate a color with it, it would be the muddy kind of grey thats in the liner notes of the picture of the band, whereas the colors i would associate with aenima and lateralus are more of the "cool' colors like teals, greens, blues, violets, and black. Opaite is very good in its own right, if it wasnt held up the expecation of aenima and lateralus...but i must admit, i am a lateralus kind of guy, but there are a few from aenima that are extremely good
Undertow is overlooked because it's not as good. If it was by any other band it would be considered a masterpiece. It really is quite an amazing metal album, but dwarfs in the shadow of Lateralus and Ænima

[x the patient x6]

Undertow is overlooked because it's not as good. If it was by any other band it would be considered a masterpiece. It really is quite an amazing metal album, but dwarfs in the shadow of Lateralus and Ænima

i can live with that

but that doesnt mean everyone should just ignore it

[In Chains34]

Undertow is great.

Crawl Away (best intro)
Sober (classic, great lyrics)
Undertow (great lyrics about addiction)
Intolerance (why the f*ck r u guys leaving this one out? it has an awesome bass undertone)
Prison Sex (another beautiful yet wrong song by Tool)

[Sleeper]

Third Eye a "typical trip song" ?? That's about as far from the truth as possible. In my opinoion, Third Eye is one of the best composed rock songs ever, much less one of Tool's best songs. Pushit is amazing, but I don't know if Tool has a song (aside from maybe Lateralus or Reflection) that can top Third Eye.
I belive thats the mozt complex song they have made yet, very off timing(like most tool songs).

[In Chains34]

****it. Strength in numbers, I guess. You guys make me want to give another listen... But HOW exactly is this song so brilliant?

[joas]

Personally, I find Undertow to be my favorite song by them. That, or Intolerance.

[9 sides]

I really have to agree that Third Eye is one of their greatest songs and I will give my reasons:
The layered slide intro is perhaps the most unique thing Adam has ever recorded (this can be debated of course). He rarely records two distinctly different overlapping tracks in one song, let alone slide parts. The beautiful thing IMO, is the way they build and come together before the first verse. I love the verses, I love the distorted bass, the screams, the lyrics, Maynard's passion, the time changes, the sound effects (moaning, voices, etc), the Bill Hicks references, the extreme dynamics, the sheer dissonance of some sections, the length (yes, I mean it), and the utter creativity of the whole thing.
Every time I finish listening to it I feel as though I've been purged or exhausted by the experience, and that's a great thing.

[ThirteenthStep]

any news on new cd?

Third Eye = definite genius

[Cain]

My favorite aspect of Third Eye is the incredible eerieness and textures of Adam's guitar tones, and especially the tribal drumming from Danny.

[x the patient x6]

Third Eye is really good, sometimes i dont have the "patience" (ooh bad pun) to go through the whole thing, but i do anyway, its so worth it, espically at the "So good see you/i've missed you so much" etc part and then when hes talking about the sand and the pieces and all that "jive" is pretty cool too

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Alright thanks man. And what's up with Salival? Not in stores for some reason?


I found it on Amazon for a wallet emptying 55 American dollars.(And that was used) :upset: Little too much for me, I'd say. My limit is the $30 I spent on The Wall.

[SonorKen]

55 bucks isnt bad for Salival if it is in good condition. I have seen it go for over a hundred in local music stores.

[G_Mac07]

The VHS seems to go fairly cheap on eBay, but the DVD usually seems to end up going for about US$100. If you want it mint/sealed, I've seen it go for nearly US$200 :upset:

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

It's expensive just becuase it's in such limited quantities, correct?

[G_Mac07]

Correct.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

My friend has a VHS to DVD ripper/burner type deal. Maybe I could find somebody who has spent the money on the VHS and put it on DVD. :evil:

/Piracy

So what all is on Salival? It's a compilation of their music videos up the Lateralus, and what else?

[G_Mac07]

I don't own it, a speeding ticket put an end to any idea's I had about bidding on it last week. But I believe it contains the video clips from Aenima and beforehand, a CD of live covers and unreleased songs, and a small booklet with the VHS. Someone who owns it can will be able to give you a better description. But I'd probably get all of Tool's albums (including Opiate) before spending the big dollars on Salival.

[The JoZ]

Tracklisting of Salival:

1. Third Eye (Live)
2. Part of Me (Live)
3. Pushit (Live)
4. Message to Harry Manback II
5. You Lied (Live, cover of Justin's old band Peach)
6. Merkaba
7. No Quarter (Zeppelin cover, GREAT)
8. LAMC / Maynard's Dick (long phone call + humorous hidden track)

The VHS contains videos for Stinkfist, Aenima, Sober and Prison Sex. DVD contains those + Hush

[Werny]

I'm on neither of the Pu****/Third Eye sides. I love them both to death, I can't pick favourites.

It may seem horrible, but I'm going to burn Salival off some guy in school, I'm 15, I can't go around spending $300 on CDs!

[Danny Carey is GOD]

Alright bro, I respect your opinion but don't be the generalization police. It was just a question and something I've observed over the years from Tool fans. I could be wrong.
But I HATE it when people can't admit to having favorite songs/albums. "Ohh, I like them all!"--No ****, man! So do I. I just listen to certain songs more than others!
I honestly do not have favourite albums/songs. I will listen to some songs more than others at times, but that isn't because I think it's a better song. Whats wrong with that?

[Doomed To Crumble]

i just want to add that i love bottom just because i havent seen anybody acknowledge it yet.

[Doomed To Crumble]

I can see that us Tool fans are getting a little tired of listening to the same songs over and over again..and i mean that in the nicest way to Tool, but i think its about time for a new album. dont you agree

[clearvision]

and its coming this yr.

[BassInvader]

just out of curiousity, how many of you were blown away the first time you heard the very last note that maynard sings on push_it live? i think the first time i heard it i replayed it 7 or 8 times just to make sure i was hearing it right, what an awesome end to a song

[The JoZ]

I can see that us Tool fans are getting a little tired of listening to the same songs over and over again..and i mean that in the nicest way to Tool, but i think its about time for a new album. dont you agree

I'm not tired of them.

I can't wait for new Tool, but honestly, I could listen to Tool constantly and be fine.

[Kurrpt]

I'm not tired of them.

I can't wait for new Tool, but honestly, I could listen to Tool constantly and be fine.

i agree. The more i learn TOoL songs on guitar, it just perpetuates the cycle again. I dont think its possible for them to get old. Especially since they dont get that much radio time, and thats ultimately what makes a song get old

[The JoZ]

I hear Tool rather regularly on my radio...

Not every day, but often enough.

But it's not just that...they are just so freaking awesome, that's why you can't get tired of them :cool:

[Kurrpt]

I hear Tool rather regularly on my radio...

Not every day, but often enough.

But it's not just that...they are just so freaking awesome, that's why you can't get tired of them :cool:


agreed. Sounds like you have some good radio stations up in your neck of the woods.

[The JoZ]

Indeed I do.

Radio got me into all the bands I like

Tool, Dream Theater, In Flames, APC, God Forbid, Lamb of God, many others.

[Kurrpt]

Indeed I do.

Radio got me into all the bands I like

Tool, Dream Theater, In Flames, APC, God Forbid, Lamb of God, many others.


wow, ive never heard DT on the radio. My pops tried to get me into them for like 6 months. I wouldnt listen until he got one of the DVDs and i heard YTSE jam. Im totally in love with that song

I first heard TOoL when their ænema video came out. Found out my bro had the album and never listened to it. I had to sneak listens cause he wouldnt share.

Ever since that i loved everything MJK put his voice too. I bought APC mer de noms the first day it came out.

As far as Lamb of God, i havent heard enuff of their stuff, since they never play that on the radio either

[Danny Carey is GOD]

just out of curiousity, how many of you were blown away the first time you heard the very last note that maynard sings on push_it live? i think the first time i heard it i replayed it 7 or 8 times just to make sure i was hearing it right, what an awesome end to a song
"End no other way" I know what your saying :D. Another amazing part to a song is in The Patient. "I must keep reminding myself of this." That is such an awesome part to a song, i recently downloaded a live Patient concert vid and Adam, if i remember correctly, turns around while Maynard is singing that section and is just like, ****.

[Ænigma]

"End no other way" I know what your saying :D. Another amazing part to a song is in The Patient. "I must keep reminding myself of this." That is such an awesome part to a song, i recently downloaded a live Patient concert vid and Adam, if i remember correctly, turns around while Maynard is singing that section and is just like, ****.

I totally agree, I love that part it is without a doubt my favorite part.

[TheSubtleArts]

ive never seen any videos of them live, im going to have to download some. can anyone suggest some great songs live?

[Danny Carey is GOD]

Just search your P2P for something like "tool video" see what comes up. The Patient though is a must. That search might turn up one or two of their actual music videos, but its pretty obvious which is which.

[x the patient x6]

ive never seen any videos of them live, im going to have to download some. can anyone suggest some great songs live?

like Maynard V. Fan

thats a good one

its also a good, but breif good live video of Pu****

[CoopALoop]

I'm not tired of them.

I can't wait for new Tool, but honestly, I could listen to Tool constantly and be fine.

totally with you there Joz, i can never get tired of them. I reconize everyone of their songs when played a t a pary or on the radio (wich is seldom)

[G_Mac07]

Tool probably has one of the most distinctive sounds of any modern day band. You can tell a Tool song a mile away, even if it's the first time you've heard the song.

[x the patient x6]

Tool probably has one of the most distinctive sounds of any modern day band. You can tell a Tool song a mile away, even if it's the first time you've heard the song.

unless youre like this

"woah, what Perfect Circle song is that?! its awesome! doesnt sound like A Perfect Circle, but it soo is, i mean its that Maynard genius man of a god singing!"

and then they find out its Tool and then are never the same again

[G_Mac07]

^ Thats true, I know people who've done that :)

[AEDICULA]

i have tool's videos on dvd and they surprisingly resemble the short films of the brothers quay i wonder if these shorts were inspiration?

[Kage]

unless youre like this

"woah, what Perfect Circle song is that?! its awesome! doesnt sound like A Perfect Circle, but it soo is, i mean its that Maynard genius man of a god singing!"

and then they find out its Tool and then are never the same again

On a similar note, I saw a review of an APC CD that said:

"...and Maynard James Keenan (formerly of the band Tool)..."

I almost went ballistic

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

On a similar note, I saw a review of an APC CD that said:

"...and Maynard James Keenan (formerly of the band Tool)..."

I almost went ballistic
I think by law were allowed to kill that person.

[G_Mac07]

My Peach album says "featuring Justin Chancellor of Tool", but MJK formerly of Tool?!?! :amaze:

[BassInvader]

yeah its kinda funny how the line "end no other way" actually can end another way, ironic isn't it? I'd like to hear Maynards reason for adding that in. Does anyone else think that Jimmy is kinda underrated, or at least undermentioned. I'll put that in my top 5 Tool songs, not because of its complexity or display of instrumental talent, but the raw emotion in the last 2 or so minutes of the song. I'm sure someone out there agrees with me

[Kage]

I love the opening guitar riff of that song. When the bass and drums come in and I'm playing it really loud...that really does it for me.

[mudvayne420]

honestly all u people i really love TOOL. and out of that Third Eye and pu**** thing i really like Third Eye, better even though pu****s mellowy, but i like that reference to the mythology of the crow in native american myths. yeah. plus i think, that the alternative order for lateralus was actually the original layout of their songs, then someone i forgot who( too lazy to go back to earlier pages) mentioned that planet X stuff then i came to think that they put it in the order it is now to show, that it may come. because the Grudge talks about, someone in the keter area of the tree of life, then later on until ticks and leeches, realizes that the crown lies in another planet and then ticks and leeches tells that its coming and hes talking to the creator to ask him " is this what you wanted," then in lateralus he knows its coming and embraces whatever is coming. then at the end the planet is heading toward earth, and the madness inside the poeple when they figure out its coming. then in disposition its when everybody starts to figure it out " mention this to me, and watch the weather change." then in reflection, he's speaking to the moon asking if you are a reflection off another thing then i must be a reflecter of something too. then lastly in Triad its the coming of the Planet and the destruction of the planet, note the time sig. and tempo of the song, then in Faaid De Oaid, since it means Voice Of GOd in enochian, its supoosedly our god telling another thing to create and start a new experience. I don't know but thats what i think Laterlaus may be about IMO, kinda makes sense once you rea about that Planet X **** kinda scary too.

[jamesclelland]

i love the song jimmy, i play it everyday on guitar. it's simple but when you get to the flanged interlude, there is no better feeling. same with eulogy, mainly the solo on to the end, you get an energy playing that on guitar that nothing could match.

[TheTemplesOfSyrinx]

Yeah i dont understand why some people cant open up and listen to tool, its so easy to disregard music (for some people).
Also i think tool are so unique that they cant be placed in a sector of music i.e. 'progressive rock', i think this is a reason why they r so interesting.

[Werny]

When I was younger I couldn't open up to them. "They sound cool, but come on, 6 minutes is a little long, isn't it?" Listening to Aenima used to be a horribly slow experience for me.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

http://www.toolband.com/news/index.html

If anyone hasnt been tracking this story, then read now. Especially if you're a Primus fan.

[Kage]

honestly all u people i really love TOOL. and out of that Third Eye and pu**** thing i really like Third Eye, better even though pu****s mellowy, but i like that reference to the mythology of the crow in native american myths. yeah. plus i think, that the alternative order for lateralus was actually the original layout of their songs, then someone i forgot who( too lazy to go back to earlier pages) mentioned that planet X stuff then i came to think that they put it in the order it is now to show, that it may come. because the Grudge talks about, someone in the keter area of the tree of life, then later on until ticks and leeches, realizes that the crown lies in another planet and then ticks and leeches tells that its coming and hes talking to the creator to ask him " is this what you wanted," then in lateralus he knows its coming and embraces whatever is coming. then at the end the planet is heading toward earth, and the madness inside the poeple when they figure out its coming. then in disposition its when everybody starts to figure it out " mention this to me, and watch the weather change." then in reflection, he's speaking to the moon asking if you are a reflection off another thing then i must be a reflecter of something too. then lastly in Triad its the coming of the Planet and the destruction of the planet, note the time sig. and tempo of the song, then in Faaid De Oaid, since it means Voice Of GOd in enochian, its supoosedly our god telling another thing to create and start a new experience. I don't know but thats what i think Laterlaus may be about IMO, kinda makes sense once you rea about that Planet X **** kinda scary too.

I sort of had trouble reading what you said
:amaze:

but that's a pretty cool theory. Nice job :thumb:

[XyleM]

Ever since that i loved everything MJK put his voice too. I bought APC mer de noms the first day it came out.

I didn't know of Tool until music class in 2003 and a drummer in my class played The Grudge and Schism, I was very very impressed. I knew that I had Lateralus somewhere because I had seen it on my dads PC, after falling in love with The Patient and Ticks And Leaches.

So I was bored on the net and decided to checkout what would come up if I typed Maynard sure enough up came APC. One listen to Judith and Orestes and I was hooked. Went out and purchased that album and Thirteenth Step on the same day. I was soo happy :D

Thats how I was introduced into the realm of Tool and APC.

Have any of you guys got the song with Maynard with the Deftones? I believe it is called Deftones - Passenger. It sort of reminds me of Tool, but Maynard 'pwnzorz1!1!' the deftones vocalist.

[Kurrpt]

passenger...yea i think its well done.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

passenger...yea i think its well done.

Track that got me to Tool. I owe it a lot.

/gives song a medal

[XyleM]

Really? Were you originally a Deftones fan? Or did you just stumble across it?

[Kurrpt]

Track that got me to Tool. I owe it a lot.

/gives song a medal


wow, thats surprising...that KINDA got me into Deftones

[Otherside]

I think Maynard and Moreno sang very well together, neither one really "dominated" the other.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I was/still am a big Deftones fan. from them , every other band I like today opened up to me.

And it pained me when they played Wembly arena with APC, and they didnt do Passenger.

[G_Mac07]

I think Maynard and Moreno sang very well together, neither one really "dominated" the other.

Agreed.

Chino and Maynard both blend amazingly with their respective bands.

[XyleM]

I think Maynard and Moreno sang very well together, neither one really "dominated" the other.

I just really don't like Moreno's softer voice, to me it lacks clarity. I've got this clip of him doing an accoustic song with Incubus and Adam Sandler, and his voice is really ... raspy I guess, I'm not a vocalist so I don't know much in that area.

And then when you put Maynards voice next Moreno's (IMO) ...

[Cody N Hooks]

Everything the light touches is Tool's kingdom.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I just really don't like Moreno's softer voice, to me it lacks clarity. I've got this clip of him doing an accoustic song with Incubus and Adam Sandler, and his voice is really ... raspy I guess, I'm not a vocalist so I don't know much in that area.

And then when you put Maynards voice next Moreno's (IMO) ...

Chino's voice is one that is an aquired taste. Most fans admit he cant sing, which is what makes him great. I've had some people though who had no clue that MJk sang on passenger, they thought that Chino was suddenly possessed.

[x the patient x6]

Know Your Enemy is a good one too


and how many of you are familar with "Spasm"? well, im sure alot of you are

and i keep on looking for it, but cant seem to find a full version of the song it self

and no, i dont have limewire, kazaa, soulseek, or anything like that, my windows 98 can barely handel MS Word as it is

so yeah

[static]

...

[Otherside]

...

Really? I think so too. Although, you could have worded your sentences better. Also, you misspelled "This post has no point".

[Kage]

I was/still am a big Deftones fan. from them , every other band I like today opened up to me.

This is exactly true for me as well. Passenger is an amazing song. Deftones are great, I think he and Maynard were perfect together on that song. I disagree that Chino is worse than Maynard, I pretty much like them equally.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

When I was younger I couldn't open up to them. "They sound cool, but come on, 6 minutes is a little long, isn't it?" Listening to Aenima used to be a horribly slow experience for me.

I became a fan of Tool about eight years ago; back when I was in 7th grade in jr. high or something. I first heard them when I saw the video of Sober on MTV. So that was my favorite song of theirs and then I got really interested and bought Undertow and Aenima. I have to admit, at first, the only songs I liked were 46 & 2, Sober, Stinkfist, etc.. the more catchy songs that you can get in to right away.
But I think that as you get older, you begin to appreciate more. That rings completely true to me, because some of my favorite songs of Tool's are the epic ones.

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I like Chino, but he's no Maynard.

[Kage]

Chino's voice is one that is an aquired taste. Most fans admit he cant sing, which is what makes him great. I've had some people though who had no clue that MJk sang on passenger, they thought that Chino was suddenly possessed.

ha! Can't sing? Download The Chauffer by Deftones and you'll hear him sing. Plus, he has amazing variety. Just because he's no virtuoso doesn't mean he can't sing. :thumb:

[G_Mac07]

and how many of you are familar with "Spasm"? well, im sure alot of you are
and i keep on looking for it, but cant seem to find a full version of the song it self

and no, i dont have limewire, kazaa, soulseek, or anything like that, my windows 98 can barely handel MS Word as it is


Do you use MSN or AIM, I can help you out if you do, I have the Peach and Tool versions of Spasm. If thats not going to work, I can E-Mail it to you, providing you give me an address without a storage limit, otherwise I can hook you up with G-Mail.

[TheSubtleArts]

i like chino and maynard but i think maynard is alot better.

i dont really remember what got me into tool, i do remember seeing the sober video on mtv wen i was little, i guess i just liked them ever since.

[x the patient x6]

Do you use MSN or AIM, I can help you out if you do, I have the Peach and Tool versions of Spasm. If thats not going to work, I can E-Mail it to you, providing you give me an address without a storage limit, otherwise I can hook you up with G-Mail.

aaaas a matter of fact i do

and its either the same as my username, or the one in my profile

thank you very much


oh, almost forgot, its AIM

[Dried Muffin Remnants]

I think that his voice goes along perfectly with the song "Change". I love that song.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I have a question about "Triad." At around 3:00 and 3:20 it's sounds like somebody (Could be maynard) goes "Uh!" And since that is one of Zack De La Rocha's signatures, and Tool and RATM have such close ties, could that possibly be Zack? I know Maynard did a Cameo appearings on Know Your Enemy, so it's a possibility i guess... :confused:

[jensmatty]

i think they used some samples of vocals in Triad, that might be what u hear. im not entirely sure, i cant be bothered finding out definitely...

[conciousuniverse]

Hi Toolites, I am new to this forum.
---------------------------------

Someone once said,

Danny Carey is a God,
Maynard is Jesus, and
Adam & Justin are their Apostles.

Regardless, IMO Tool is the ultimate progressive rock-art band.
I could defend Led Zep, Pink Floyd, The Beatles (which are all extremely ahead of their own time and all favorites of mine,) but resistence is futile, right?

TOOL is a living legend.

The magick of Solomon, Solomon's Temple, ect...
Has anyone else any ideas about the subject matter for the upcoming album???


:smoke:

[mudvayne420]

I sort of had trouble reading what you said
:amaze:

but that's a pretty cool theory. Nice job :thumb:


thanx man. i had a lot of more things to say about that but it would've been pretty long so i just tried to shorten it in the limited time i had. Had to go to bed, i'm only 15, yeah so if anyone wants to know what i have to say about lateralus, any song even fillers, just post and i'll see what i can do to help. :cool:

[jensmatty]

Tool is the zep and beatles of today. kinda.

[conciousuniverse]

jensmatty, yes :)

The same collective Soul?

[conciousuniverse]

P.s. I will be back soon to post my interpretation of the "Eulogy" - of Maynard.

:smoke:
-amy

[G_Mac07]

Can anyone here tell me how to nail that pick swelling thing at the start of Ticks & Leeches? (On Guitar). I can't seem to get it right. :confused:

[Riva]

Tool is the zep and beatles of today. kinda.

How so?

[Werny]

I became a fan of Tool about eight years ago; back when I was in 7th grade in jr. high or something. I first heard them when I saw the video of Sober on MTV. So that was my favorite song of theirs and then I got really interested and bought Undertow and Aenima. I have to admit, at first, the only songs I liked were 46 & 2, Sober, Stinkfist, etc.. the more catchy songs that you can get in to right away.
But I think that as you get older, you begin to appreciate more. That rings completely true to me, because some of my favorite songs of Tool's are the epic ones.

Spot on. I used to only listen to HWAP.

Now, I only really listen to the longer ones, especially Third Eye, Reflection and Pu****.

[jensmatty]

How so?
They're the good music that'll be remembered in 30-40 years. and they sound like nothing else made yet, really.

[Riva]

Well, they are influential, and they have developed a unique sound, so I can agree with you there. I was worried you would make a sweeping statement. Congratulations on not being a rabid fanatic. :)

[jensmatty]

^ :lol: why thankyou! im just keeping in mind there was the pop music of the 70's, it just wasn't pop lol.

[estel]

Can anyone here tell me how to nail that pick swelling thing at the start of Ticks & Leeches? (On Guitar). I can't seem to get it right.

Which part you mean?
If you mean the opening chord that fades in with feedback, it's just
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-2
-2
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start with the volume knob low, and turn it up... putting in some feedback

If you mean the high pitched bit, it's pretty easy

- -------------------------------------- 10
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-/9 7h9 /9 9p7 /9 7h9* 7h9* /9 9p7
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where the stars are, put in some pick harmonics (to get it the easy way, hit the 7th fret, then hammer on to 9, just as you hammer on, let your picking hand lightly brush against the string, it'll produce a high-pitched artificial harmonic, should sound like Adam's guitar does. in that part)
then it's just
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-12 12 12 10/12 12 12 12 12 12 12 10 10 10
-12 12 12 10/12 12 12 12 12 12 12 10 10 10
-9 --9--9--7 / 9--9-- 9--/9- 9- 9 -9 - 7 7 7
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