Tool

[Adam Jones is GOD]

not to get off topic, but adam, could you check the thread i made today in the jam. I got an audition for a band, who plays tool, and i was wondering which songs to play. Apparently they're into APC as well, which is kewl, i could give you a link. I wanted your opinion on the matter if it wasnt too mucht o ask

looks like my man KKKKKocaine got you sorted there advise wise. But as for songs to play, Part of me is an easy jam one, drums can be improved on the whole. Most of opiate stuff seems good for a jam.

But everyone really who plays tool will have learned/played Schisim, usually a middle ground

[Kurrpt]

looks like my man KKKKKocaine got you sorted there advise wise. But as for songs to play, Part of me is an easy jam one, drums can be improved on the whole. Most of opiate stuff seems good for a jam.

But everyone really who plays tool will have learned/played Schisim, usually a middle ground


i figured id stay away alltogether from schism and go like the patient, part of me, and jimmy, which i dont think many people play. I could show them that i have interests in all their songs, just these were the ones that stuck out to me ya know. Maybe even triad, up to the point he uses that epilady hair remover

[clearvision]

W00t it's time for some big questions...

Today, while very bored i was skimming round the toolshed forums (scary place i know, full of smackheads). I stumbled across some weird sh!t before getting a headache :upset:

Alot of people there are very into metaphysics and occult magic, much like the band. However I'm completely lost in where to start background reading, i wanna look into the basic concepts such as the tetrahedral star thingys and merkaba etc. But i also want to look into this Rennes Le Chateau thing and how it relates back to mary magdalene. As i know this a theme adopted by APC in alot of songs.

Someone spoke of some cool sh!t in ticks and leeches...What do you think of this? How the heck to tool write this? And what is the latin translation? (I couldn't think of any way to translate the latin) DO you know of any more cool things like this?

Quote - mu-sick off toolband
"@1:43 into ticks and leeches Adam is playing a chord progression of D-A-D, while Justin underlines it with a bass line of F-A-C-E, and Dann'y hi hat open & close pattern is translated into morse code as Y-O-U-R. OH MY GORSH!! FACE YOUR DAD! The song is clearly stating that his father is a tick that has been leeching of his money and emotional stability for years and it's time to face him although he can't because the love is too strong. Also, if you take the initials of the people I mentioned in the order of "face your dad" you get J(ustin) D(anny) A(dam), JDA is abbreviated latin for Jusus Domini Adane which roughly translates to..."

Alot of talk on the board is of Subliminal messages in tool's music. Or background whispers would be a better way to put it. Especially in No Quarter (a song i have really gotten into recently) What do you folks know of these?

Lastly, Alot of people on the board seem to be stoners and think tool promote drugs. Are tool regular drug users? Is their music designed to be enjoyed with drugs? (If this violates the rules just say and I'll edit it out)

If you don't for whatever reason want to express opinions etc on this site you can email me at robertchapman88 at gmail.com

thanks :wave:

[Kurrpt]

as far as i know, maynard hates them and hates even cig smokers, so i would believe thats a big no

[SonorKen]

W00t it's time for some big questions...

Today, while very bored i was skimming round the toolshed forums (scary place i know, full of smackheads). I stumbled across some weird sh!t before getting a headache :upset:

Alot of people there are very into metaphysics and occult magic, much like the band. However I'm completely lost in where to start background reading, i wanna look into the basic concepts such as the tetrahedral star thingys and merkaba etc. But i also want to look into this Rennes Le Chateau thing and how it relates back to mary magdalene. As i know this a theme adopted by APC in alot of songs.

Alot of talk on the board is of Subliminal messages in tool's music. Or background whispers would be a better way to put it. Especially in No Quarter (a song i have really gotten into recently) What do you folks know of these?

Lastly, Alot of people on the board seem to be stoners and think tool promote drugs. Are tool regular drug users? Is their music designed to be enjoyed with drugs? (If this violates the rules just say and I'll edit it out)

If you don't for whatever reason want to express opinions etc on this site you can email me at robertchapman88 at gmail.com

thanks :wave:

As far as books, that is research itself. I have an extensive collection of books dealing with metaphysics and such. A good one to start with is "Everything in this book is a lie, but its exactly how things are."

As for Tool fans being druggies and Tool designing thier music to be listened to while on drugs, this is totally false and demeaning to most Tool fans. I tend to think of myself as highly intelligent and feel my connection with Tool is more of an intellectual thing as well as a kind of Metaphysical thing.

[clearvision]

Oh i forgot my last question...Can anyone get the videos/Mp3's on Lachrymology.com to work?

Cheer For the book Ken, I'll check it out

[Kage]

As for Tool fans being druggies and Tool designing thier music to be listened to while on drugs, this is totally false and demeaning to most Tool fans. I tend to think of myself as highly intelligent and feel my connection with Tool is more of an intellectual thing as well as a kind of Metaphysical thing.


True

[ThePatient]

where you live, TOOL guitar is like all i played for months
Maryland actually.

/is 8 days late answering that quesion.

[CarRamRod]

sorry if this point has already been brought up, i haven't read all the posts, but anyway, has anybody in here heard of bill hicks, he is a comic that heavily influenced tool, he is heard talking at the begining of Third Eye (see i think drugs have done good......). There is a lot of symbolism used in Tool's lyrics that he used. Like the Third Eye, and Arizona bay (a Bill Hicks CD) I recommend him to anybody who has an open mind and wants change

[Jezen]

Cheers mate I will keep that in mind.

[Grey Incision]

As far as books, that is research itself. I have an extensive collection of books dealing with metaphysics and such. A good one to start with is "Everything in this book is a lie, but its exactly how things are."

As for Tool fans being druggies and Tool designing thier music to be listened to while on drugs, this is totally false and demeaning to most Tool fans. I tend to think of myself as highly intelligent and feel my connection with Tool is more of an intellectual thing as well as a kind of Metaphysical thing.

If these people, as clearvision said, are into occult magic and metaphysics, then generally, drugs are perceived differently. For instance, drugs induce a certain psychadelic sense, and generally, a calming effect on the brain. In older times in Europe, drugs, well mushrooms at least were used as a way to delve into the third world, a way to see things that could not be perceived in reality on the basic plane (basically, hallucinogens). Either way, drugs were used in shamanistic rituals to speak with god, or gods, Lugh, Nuada, Ogma(gods of the celtic era). The effect was thought to bring about contact with a third plane/reality that paralleled our own.

Also, With asian nations and their beliefs of old, drugs were used to properly see 'Chi' (spiritual energy/dragon energy) which pulsed throughout the land.

Besides from all that, people of today use drugs differently, for the wrong reasons, and it makes me wanna crack the sh*ts and slaughter people.

G_Mac07: i got it, thanks, rep++ for you:)

[ckeaenaiyn]

ok now i am a tool fan but i might sound like an idiot for saying this: i heard that tool broke up in 2003 because they believed the world was going to end or something. and since they havent released a new cd since lateralus or done a tour lately i figured it was right....if anyone knows as a fact that tool has NOT broken up, please yell at me because i really would like to know if my idols are still together or not. thanks and sorry for being a "dumb***, belligerent ****er"

[G_Mac07]

I can assure you Tool are together and are currently working on their next album :)

[Prince of Darkness]

I recently dicovered No Quarter, the Tool cover of the ( I think) Led Zeppelin song.
I can honestly say that it is one of my fav song by tool. I love it!
Maynard obviously loves LZ, he covered No Quarter for Tool and covered When The Levee Breaks for APC. great.

[jamesclelland]

if your a floyd fan as well, check out tools cover of comfortably numb. not as many changes as no quarter, but perfect.

as for the drug posts earlier, i've heard in an interview that danny said they use drugs for artistic purposes only. forgot the site address, but search for it in the toolshed, under articles.

[supermasterp0rnoman]

^is there anyway you could send me the version of comfortably numb?

[clearvision]

OMGWTFBBQ!

Is that tool, Only 2 guitars and a 'singer' in the song. The 'singer' doesn't even know the words :confused:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I have never heard of Tool covering Comfortably numb.

there may be a slight chance APC did, but unless it really sucked and they kept it secret, I must have missed something

Edit: jonny, whats with the name change? I like the fact you have an awesome song in it now though :thumb:

[Kurrpt]

ive never heard anything like that either. It must have been like a one time thing at some weird show or something if it actually happended

[Prince of Darkness]

I've got Comfortably Numb. the Tool one. really. Its ok.

If anyone wants it, tell me how to send it to you.

[clearvision]

hmm maybe i downlaoded the wrong song, does maynard actually sing the word sin your version?

If he does send it to me at ... robertchapman88 at gmail.com

^I wrote it that way to avoid spam...just attach it and send, you should be able to send it through a yahoo or hotmail account.

[Kage]

hmm maybe i downlaoded the wrong song, does maynard actually sing the word sin your version?

If he does send it to me at ... robertchapman88 at gmail.com

^I wrote it that way to avoid spam...just attach it and send, you should be able to send it through a yahoo or hotmail account.

While I have the chance, I'd like to jump in and ask a question. I've heard many people talking about gmail, so I finally decided to see what it was all about. When I went to the site, there was no way to sign up? Does anyone know when more slots will be available? How did seemingly everyone here get an account, and I missed out on it?

[clearvision]

Because people get accounts by invitation...post your email here and one will wing it's way to you. Basically gmail offers so much space and the ability to send big attachments, perfect for a music forum.

[Kage]

Because people get accounts by invitation...post your email here and one will wing it's way to you. Basically gmail offers so much space and the ability to send big attachments, perfect for a music forum.

rave_guitarist@hotmail.com

Thanks

[jamesclelland]

search for c.n. tools version on your kassa, napster, or whatever you got. i had it burned and it would take me more time than i want to spend sending it out through email.
i'm really lazy.

[G_Mac07]

I'd also like a g-mail invite, hotmails really blown lately. If anyone could help me out I'm gregs_new_address at hotmail.com (avoiding spam)

I'd like to hear this cover of Comfortably Numb. Thanks.

[clearvision]

search for c.n. tools version on your kassa, napster, or whatever you got. i had it burned and it would take me more time than i want to spend sending it out through email.
i'm really lazy.

I searched for it. I got a live version witht he singer basically humming the tune and a dude strumm ing an effect-filled guitar. Didn't seem like tool to me and was pretty crapy, so i thought i got the wrong version.

[jamesclelland]

yeah, i sounds like a studio version, then at the end you hear a club anouncer or something. on my version at least. i will sound pretty much the same, just newer equipment.

[clearvision]

james, where di you get your version from? What is your email, I'll send you the one i have so you can compare, 'cause the one i have is pretty crappy, Med will back me up on that one :) . Would be nice to hear a good cover of that song by tool.

[jamesclelland]

If you give me your email i will quit being lazy and take it off the cd and send it to you.

Do you have any rare covers or something interesting, i need a new song to learn.

[ATM]

I keep hearing about how good Maynards voice is. Can you guys reccomend me some songs so I can hear his best?

[jamesclelland]

check out his scream on ticks and leeches(lateralus), his softer voice on H(aenima), and how he uses a megaphone on eulogy(my favorite, aenima). but all there songs are good, he doesn't suck on any of them.

[TigerArmy]

I keep hearing about how good Maynards voice is. Can you guys reccomend me some songs so I can hear his best?

3 Libras. It doesn't get much better than that.

[The JoZ]

I keep hearing about how good Maynards voice is. Can you guys reccomend me some songs so I can hear his best?

Stinkfist
Eulogy
H
Aenima
Third Eye

The Grudge
The Patient
Parabola
Lateralus
Reflection

Are his best tracks IMO.

[clearvision]

If you give me your email i will quit being lazy and take it off the cd and send it to you.

Do you have any rare covers or something interesting, i need a new song to learn.

robertchapman88 @ gmail.com cheers...

maynards best is defniateley Pu**** (salival verison)

Other good mentions include...
-Parabola
-No quarter
-The Grudge
-You Lied
-Eulogy

[Kurrpt]

try some APC as well

[Magicaltroll]

you lied is a really great song, im like in love with that song right now... its great.
im actually trying to write a song similar to that one. actually, just similar to the verse singing because i really like how the vocals are really slow and it has a ton of reverb it sonds like. i dont know i just love it.

but anyway, check out that song, and H., aenima, lateralus, bottom. that should get you started a little bit :)

[deadohiosky9]

I wanna hear this cover! Interesting intereview with that guy from Opeth. ya the interviewer did say ya'll too much.

[Tool666]

No Quarter is a good cover.

[Sleeper]

A guy way back there said that 'Stinkfist' is about anal fisting.

How wrong you are. I read something about Stinkfist somewhere, and it is now what I believe the song is about.

What i believe, is that Stinkfist is about the desensitisation of the human race. For example, back in the 1970's it was shocking to put certain things on television, like nudity, drugs etc. Nowadays, people dont 'want more', they 'need more' to be stimulated. It's ok to show that stuff now as we are used to it. We, the human race are becoming desensitised. "Knuckle/Fist/Shoulder deep within the borderline". This is saying that we need more and more to stimulate us, and each time we want to get it as close to the borderline (past that being too far) as we can without going over it. Another example would be taking as much heroin as you can to get as stimulated as you can without overdosing.

Lol, Stinkfist is about the media censorship.

[Sleeper]

hey im not a huge Tool fan, and i just heard "Grudge"
What do you think about this song, and what album is it on?
Thanks.

The grudge is a awesome song. Its on the album "lateralus". It has a one of the best screams by maynard on the cd. I love playing the bass riff in the opening of the song. The drums are so insane, you need like a special set up with bongos and toms.

[G_Mac07]

The beauty of many of Tool's songs is that people can take their own meanings from them. It's ok for you to post your interpretation of a song, but don't be ignorant whilst doing it.

[Sleeper]

I keep hearing about how good Maynards voice is. Can you guys reccomend me some songs so I can hear his best?

For tool-Tickz and leeches,Aenima, Pu****,

For Apc-3 Libras, The nurse who loved me, Blue, Judith

[G_Mac07]

This is something I've been meaning to ask for a while. In Ticks & Leeches, at about 3:40 to 5:50, Maynard can be heard screaming in the right channel of my headphones. It's at really low volume and pretty difficult to notice on normal speakers. I've been trying to figure out exactly what he's saying but I'm finding it pretty hard. I think it goes along the lines of

Ahh!
Suck!
Me dry!
Suck!
Suck me dry!
Suck!
Me dry!
Suck!
Suck me dry

Can anyone confirm this for me? Thanks.

[Syncratic]

He says others things along with that...you can't really tell, he's singing pretty softly, but I'm sure if you look on the official website or something, you'd be able to find it. Enjoy the song, though!

[Syncratic]

Lol, Stinkfist is about the media censorship.

Really? Hush is about censorship as well...though Tool's songs can be interpreted many different ways.

[G_Mac07]

He says others things along with that...you can't really tell, he's singing pretty softly, but I'm sure if you look on the official website or something, you'd be able to find it. Enjoy the song, though!

Most of the time I've been on MX for the last 3 days I've been searching most the Tool related pages I could find on Metacrawler. So far I've found nothing, which is why I asked. And the lyrics I posted appear after it, it just that they seem pretty similiar.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

This is something I've been meaning to ask for a while. In Ticks & Leeches, at about 3:40 to 5:50, Maynard can be heard screaming in the right channel of my headphones. It's at really low volume and pretty difficult to notice on normal speakers. I've been trying to figure out exactly what he's saying but I'm finding it pretty hard. I think it goes along the lines of

Ahh!
Suck!
Me dry!
Suck!
Suck me dry!
Suck!
Me dry!
Suck!
Suck me dry

Can anyone confirm this for me? Thanks.

there are so many songs where he is whispering/screaming in the background, half the time I dont think they are supposed to be figured out, as some are inaudible. Although my favourite has to be the cough on 'A Stranger' (APC I know, but its a general MJK trick). I know there was a story behind it that made me laugh at the time, but i forget the symbolic-ness of it now

[jamesclelland]

if we were supposed to know, he'd add it to the lyrics on there websites. There is no rule saying you cant figure them out though. To a lot of people that is the beauty of tool and you can sometimes get a new understanding by those barely audible sounds/words.

[clearvision]

I downloaded a torrent of 'rare tool trax - narcossis'.

It has some songs i already have on it such as...Muhammed my friend, passenger, revolution and know your enemy.

track list...

1. Santa Monica and Orange (Live)
2. Spasm (Peach cover) (Live)
3. Silly Little Love Songs (paul mcCartney cover) (?)
4. Demon Cleaner (Kyuss cover) (Live)
5. Muhammed my friend (w/Tori Amos) (Live)
6. Comfortably Numb (Pink Floyd cover) (Live)
7. Wrong Way (Sublime cover) (Live)
8. Passenger (Deftones w/Maynard) (Album track)
9. Know Your Enemy (RATM w/Maynard) (Album track)
10. cold and ugly (4 track demo)
11. hush (4 track demo)
12. part of me (4 track demo)
13. crawl away (4 track demo)
14. sober (4 track demo)
15. jerk off (4 track demo)
16. No quarter (Led Zep cover)

What do you know about some of these? The confortably numb cover is the same one i had before, and i'm very suspicious wether that is tool or maynard singing. HWat are these 4 track demos? I am able to mail you a few of these sons if you would like. Or you can get the whole torrent from www.lokitorrent.com search rare tool...

[Adam Jones is GOD]

4 track demos I think are the original group of songs that Tool first put together and sent off to radio, etc, since it is just Opiate - 2 tracks. (although sober is odd being on there)

I've heard pretty much all of the covers on there, though i dont think Tool covered Spasm, as its a 2 guitarist song im pretty sure it was APC, as it sounded more like them from the audio I have (plus its not as good as the original IMO). And I still have my doubts about that comfortably numb one, I mean, it would have had a lot more coverage and attention if they really did do it

[jamesclelland]

i would like:
Spasm (Peach cover) (Live)
Wrong Way (Sublime cover) (Live)
the site didn't work when i hit the link, so i you could please send just the two to adamjones_god@yahoo.com

[G_Mac07]

Clearvision, I'd like to hear spasm if it's a real Tool cover, and I'd also like to hear Santa Monica and Orange. Thanks if you can send them my way.
gregbyers at gmail.com
:)

[clearvision]

Sent...

I got a chevelle album the other day, pretty good stuff. Not really relevant, some people think they are like tool but i think their more pop-ish/emo-ish. I got this type of thinking... its pretty cool yeah :thumb:

[Otherside]

There was a review in my guitar magazine saying Chevelle was Tool without the arty pretensions. I burned the page.

[Modestbob]

4 track demos I think are the original group of songs that Tool first put together and sent off to radio, etc, since it is just Opiate - 2 tracks. (although sober is odd being on there)

I've heard pretty much all of the covers on there, though i dont think Tool covered Spasm, as its a 2 guitarist song im pretty sure it was APC, as it sounded more like them from the audio I have (plus its not as good as the original IMO). And I still have my doubts about that comfortably numb one, I mean, it would have had a lot more coverage and attention if they really did do it

I actually have Tool's cover of "Comfortably Numb" i found it on Bearshare. If you want it you could AIM me at uglyCasanovabob

[Kurrpt]

There was a review in my guitar magazine saying Chevelle was Tool without the arty pretensions. I burned the page.

i dont really like anyone comparing themselves to TOoL, so good job, i hate chevelle

[Otherside]

Yah no band can really match Tool's sound, exdept maybe ones that have some of the members of Tool in it.


Anyways, I recently found out about Evanescence doing a cover on Orestes... anyone heard it? Because I don't think I want to...

[Magicaltroll]

i dont really like anyone comparing themselves to TOoL, so good job, i hate chevelle
i kind of like them... but thats just me :upset:
but yeah ive read some where that they are "majorly influenced" by APC and tool

but i dont really see it

[Magicaltroll]

has anyone heard the "terrible lie" cover that they did?
because i havent heard anyone talk about it.
its pretty awesome... its like an acoustic version.
and i really really dont think its a fake because it sounds jsut like maynard, and i dont hear alot of singers that sound like him.

but yeah its awesome

[Grey Incision]

Yah no band can really match Tool's sound, exdept maybe ones that have some of the members of Tool in it.


Anyways, I recently found out about Evanescence doing a cover on Orestes... anyone heard it? Because I don't think I want to...

i swear, if evanescence do that, and release it, i will either hang myself, or evanescence..................second option sounds good whatever the scenario, i class evanescence in the same bracket as linkin park and good charlotte, ****ty little teeny bopper music that makes 12 year olds feel hardcore

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Yah no band can really match Tool's sound, exdept maybe ones that have some of the members of Tool in it.


Anyways, I recently found out about Evanescence doing a cover on Orestes... anyone heard it? Because I don't think I want to...

APC songs are not meant to be covered by anyone.

Tht reminds me, I found an old copy of kerrang the other day (for the US, its basically a magazine that has shown how someone can sell out overtime and turn into a money making suck up magazine). It had their first review of 13th step in it. it got 3 Ks due to it not being diverse enough, and had too few strong points.


Just as an equivilanent, the othe rcopy I found was one reviewing St.Anger, which got 4 Ks for being 'so heavy'.


If anyone can send me Comfortably numb (I know a few have offered now), send to modest_moogle @gmail.com. Im going to have to start keepig people's addresses from in here in future, as we do a lot of sending files nowardays

[Otherside]

Just as an equivilanent, the othe rcopy I found was one reviewing St.Anger, which got 4 Ks for being 'so heavy'.



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[joas]

Any one seen any news (besides on their site) on the new album?

[Ilovebass/music]

Does anybody else find Ticks & Leeches to be one of Tools most meaningful songs? If not the most significant? If you look at there entire list of albums the music follows a pattern and the main focus of Lateralus seems to be what comes after the pure anger that came off earlier realeses...a healing album if you will. Thats why I think Ticks & Leeches is the most significant song on the album. If you look at the lyrics there very short, direct and to the point, and the entire feel of the song has a very strong hatred, retaliation type vibe to it. So if you look at the big picture, its placement on the cd indicates that somewhere along the line of change we tend to revert back to our old self, which in this case is a pissed off individual tired with the overall stupidity and simplicity of people. Lateralus as a whole is a very well thought out and more mellow approach to Tool's music, but anger and hate are primitive emotions that tend to lead to very simplistic brutality just like the song. Luckily (In my opinion) the next song (also having a huge significance being the album title) Lateralus seems like the person is trying to go back to a higher level of thought and life rather than the typical lifestyle choosen by way too many people today. Anyways thats my take on it but for all I know he was constipated when he wrote it so dont take my word for it!

[Kurrpt]

Does anybody else find Ticks & Leeches to be one of Tools most meaningful songs? If not the most significant? If you look at there entire list of albums the music follows a pattern and the main focus of Lateralus seems to be what comes after the pure anger that came off earlier realeses...a healing album if you will. Thats why I think Ticks & Leeches is the most significant song on the album. If you look at the lyrics there very short, direct and to the point, and the entire feel of the song has a very strong hatred, retaliation type vibe to it. So if you look at the big picture, its placement on the cd indicates that somewhere along the line of change we tend to revert back to our old self, which in this case is a pissed off individual tired with the overall stupidity and simplicity of people. Lateralus as a whole is a very well thought out and more mellow approach to Tool's music, but anger and hate are primitive emotions that tend to lead to very simplistic brutality just like the song. Luckily (In my opinion) the next song (also having a huge significance being the album title) Lateralus seems like the person is trying to go back to a higher level of thought and life rather than the typical lifestyle choosen by way too many people today. Anyways thats my take on it but for all I know he was constipated when he wrote it so dont take my word for it!



well if thats what you get out of it, thats fine. I think the lyrics are too repetitive to have any really, deep feelings to it. To say its the most significant song the album, and try to pretend its valid, i think is a bit foolish.

[jamesclelland]

repetitive lyrics aren't always bad. in tools case, it's there way of getting there point across strongly. imo.

[Ilovebass/music]

well if thats what you get out of it, thats fine. I think the lyrics are too repetitive to have any really, deep feelings to it. To say its the most significant song the album, and try to pretend its valid, i think is a bit foolish.

To tell me how i feel is foolish :D , but you have to admit its the only song out of place which makes it stand out more than the others, its far from being my favorite song (The Patient takes the cake) but id like to know which one you think stands out most.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

God to see some song opinions up again, reminds me of the glory days of this thread.

Oh, and apparently, we suck guys

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6221549&postcount=60

Gotta love that 'fan boy' term

[Adam Jones is GOD]

46&2 from a netural (non drummer) perspective is my personal favourite Danny moment. Thats about as far as I can go though, I just think it sound smore impressive than his other stuff.

/reminds me to really, REALLY start understanding the art of drumming more

[Magicaltroll]

to the drumming thing, id say the end of lateralus. that part is just so **** catchy! the first time i actually listened and started appreciating tool, i had that drum part stuck in my head for weeks! and im not even a drummer. but until i find the most impressive tool song on drums (well from my view), the end of lateralus has my vote :thumb:

[jamesclelland]

carey does real good on lateralus, but imo his best work is 46 & 2. the drum solo, where adam jones doubles the amount of the main muted riff, is amazing.
Cant forget the bass in 46 and 2 as well. simple, i've played bass twice, and i got the intro riff nailed, but it's how he must have come up with that.
apperently when writing there songs it's carey, channcellor, jones, keenan. so you can really peice together who comes up with what.

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

I downloaded a torrent of 'rare tool trax - narcossis'.

It has some songs i already have on it such as...Muhammed my friend, passenger, revolution and know your enemy.

track list...

1. Santa Monica and Orange (Live)
2. Spasm (Peach cover) (Live)
3. Silly Little Love Songs (paul mcCartney cover) (?)
4. Demon Cleaner (Kyuss cover) (Live)
5. Muhammed my friend (w/Tori Amos) (Live)
6. Comfortably Numb (Pink Floyd cover) (Live)
7. Wrong Way (Sublime cover) (Live)
8. Passenger (Deftones w/Maynard) (Album track)
9. Know Your Enemy (RATM w/Maynard) (Album track)
10. cold and ugly (4 track demo)
11. hush (4 track demo)
12. part of me (4 track demo)
13. crawl away (4 track demo)
14. sober (4 track demo)
15. jerk off (4 track demo)
16. No quarter (Led Zep cover)

What do you know about some of these? The confortably numb cover is the same one i had before, and i'm very suspicious wether that is tool or maynard singing. HWat are these 4 track demos? I am able to mail you a few of these sons if you would like. Or you can get the whole torrent from www.lokitorrent.com search rare tool...

I really want No Quarter, WRong Way, Comfortably Numb, and spasm

pulkpullrevolvingdoors at gmail.com

THANKS!

[Dancin' Man]

So I just found the worst Tool tribute ever. A bunch of techno groups got together to cover Tool songs.... oh god.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

So I just found the worst Tool tribute ever. A bunch of techno groups got together to cover Tool songs.... oh god.

just when i thought there could be nothing worse than the guys who re-mixed some of their songs.....(not Lohner of course, not heard his Tool remix's yet. Apparently they were played at Ozzfest one year)

[joas]

The Comfortably Numb cover's okay, I used to have it, but I'd rather listen to originals anyday over their covers. Especially Undertow.

[Prince of Darkness]

Best Cover song>>>>NO QUARTER




'nuf said

[Druumer89]

Best Cover song>>>>NO QUARTER




'nuf said

yes no quarter is the best cover song i have ever heard ...i think its much better than the orgininal :thumb:

[Kurrpt]

i dont know if id say that, but i like it, real melodic, methodic kinda slow beat

i like 'lets have a war' by apc a whole bunch

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Careful, you just spoke positively of a song off eMOTIVE. Some people on here will shoot on site for a crime like that.

Tool's covers > APC's covers

Probably since tool have done very few, and the majority of APC ones are just generally bad

[juggalotricksta]

This is my first Tool post. For a while now I have been quite the naysayer towards this band, but after listening to some DT with my buddy Jordan, (who is about the only one of my friends who appreciates music like I do,) we got on the topic of Tool. I of course spoke negatively of them, and he argued. After hearing him talk for a while, I decided that maybe I was too quick to judge the band, and I ran out and bought Lateralus.

I finally got a chance to listen to it through, and my previous opinion of Tool was unjustified. I judged them before I got a chance to really listen to them. I am normally very open minded when it comes to music in all aspects...but for some reason it took me this long to discover Tool...:confused:

After listening to the album, I really liked Parabola, Ticks and Leeches, and now I know that the radio version of Schism doesnt do it justice. I really like Carey's drumming...its the highlight of the album so far for me.

Based on that, does anybody have any thoughts or suggestions for me as far as more Tool stuff goes?

Thanks :thumb:



ps. Sublime is my favorite band...how is their cover of Wrong Way? Anyone know how I can get a hold of it?

[G_Mac07]

A lot of people I know don't like Tool the first time they hear them, but eventually they start to come around. I think Tool take a while to get into. Anyway, it's nice to see someone else has just gotten into Tool's sound, and you will probably grow to appreciate it more as you listen to them more often. I'd suggest you also get Aenima, it's my second favourite album from them (Lateralus being the first), although this thread is split over which of the two they like more.

Suggested songs
Pu**** (Aenima)
Eulogy (Aenima)
Hooker With A ***** (Aenima)
46 & 2 (Aenima)
Sober (Undertow)
Bottom (Undertow)

[Bartender]

So I just found the worst Tool tribute ever. A bunch of techno groups got together to cover Tool songs.... oh god.

I own that. It's not very good.

[Leper]

Hey guys, I don't know many Tool songs, but what i've heard i have liked. So anyone wanna reccommend some songs to a "probable fan if he had more exposure?"

[G_Mac07]

If you looked two posts above you, you would of had a start. From Lateralus, try:

Parabol/Parabola
Ticks & Leeches
The Patient
Lateralus
Schism

[BurtonChancellor]

Hey guys, I don't know many Tool songs, but what i've heard i have liked. So anyone wanna reccommend some songs to a "probable fan if he had more exposure?"
As opposed to listing a bunch of songs for you, I'd recommend that you just go out, buy Lateralus or Aenima, pop it into your CD player, put on a pair of headphones and listen through it from start to finish.

Listening to a bunch of random Tool songs just doesn't do them justice the way listening to the album as a whole does.

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

Does Maynard wear a wig or something? He was bald with Tool, and now he has real long hair with APC.

random tool question.

[juggalotricksta]

A lot of people I know don't like Tool the first time they hear them, but eventually they start to come around. I think Tool take a while to get into. Anyway, it's nice to see someone else has just gotten into Tool's sound, and you will probably grow to appreciate it more as you listen to them more often. I'd suggest you also get Aenima, it's my second favourite album from them (Lateralus being the first), although this thread is split over which of the two they like more.

Suggested songs
Pu**** (Aenima)
Eulogy (Aenima)
Hooker With A ***** (Aenima)
46 & 2 (Aenima)
Sober (Undertow)
Bottom (Undertow)


Ive heard a few people say Aenima was good...I may have to check it out now. Thanks GMac :thumb:

[AenImA08]

WHAT THE HELL IS IN THOSE JELLY BEANS?

Having braved the dystopia that is certain parts of Hollywood, yesterday, at the email suggestion of a member of the ‘Collective’, I dropped in on the guys at their rehearsal space to check out another Tool writing/arranging session. When I arrived around noon, everyone was there except for Danny, but within minutes he pulled up on his motorcycle, carrying a plastic grocery bag containing a couple of oranges, ready to put in a hard day’s work behind that mammoth drum kit of his. Realizing that the band was going to warm up with some older songs before working on the newer compositions, I decided to grab some lunch before planting myself in the middle of the sonic onslaught for several hours with nothing in sight except for DC’s oranges, some sugar-free Red Bulls and a small bowl filled with what appeared to be rather peculiar looking jelly beans.

When I returned, the band had just finished playing one of the newer songs, the one that Danny had earlier described as being his favorite Tool composition to date. I’d heard this lengthy, rhythmically complex song (still untitled, I believe) several weeks ago, but wanted to hear it again, mainly to see what impact Maynard’s vocals would have on it. (NOTE: if it’s any consolation, the chicken burrito and Patron margaritas at El Coyote were quite good). Without any ear-plugs (but thinking that a couple of the jelly beans might suffice), I took at seat in the middle of the guys - about two feet from Adam’s speaker cabinet, six-feet from Justin’s and less than a foot from Danny’s drums (and with all those cymbal crashes and their eternal ringing in his ears). Looking around, the first thing I noticed was that the Dry-Erase message board that the band has used since Opiate days to aid them with their song arrangements was devoid of any ‘mnemonic triggers’ and only contained a jumble of seemingly random letters and what appeared to be a crude depiction of a birthday cake with four lit candles on it. Thinking it might have been drawn by Adam, I asked him about it, but received only a vague answer about it not necessarily being a birthday cake and to look closer. He then added somewhat cryptically that there was room for a fifth candle. With this, I turned to Danny to see if he could shed some light on this apparent conundrum, but, in that he seemed to be equally mystified by something involving his electronic drums, I decided to drop it. About this time, Maynard emerged from a make-shift vocal booth and handed me his latest mock-business card. I could tell you what it said, but I don’t want to shock the pious.

[AenImA08]

After selecting some samples on the “Deep Violet” electronic drums and adjusting parameters, etc., the band launched into a new song that, at least in my mind, pretty much summed things up about the direction the new record was headed musically. To say that they have taken it up a notch would be an understatement. Several notches, perhaps, might better describe it. This wasn’t just the musical equivalent of terra incognita – this was something borderline Zothyrian, Daedalian in complexity (yet, VERY heavy) with its combination of odd time signatures, dynamics and intricacy of guitar work that was ‘synchronized’ in sections to create those “chromatic s” we all love so much. Danny was doing what he does best (better than ever, I might add), and the acoustic drums were combined with lots of electronic samples of dissonant clocks, warped timpani, eruptions of noise and explosions of what sounded like bizarre artillery.

For this particular song, in certain places, Adam seemed to be using the petals more often to simultaneously trigger his Virus. As for Justin, with his lightning fast bass lines, at times there were riffs that seemed almost unnatural for that instrument. I remember after Lateralus was mastered, when a couple of writers from Bass Player Magazine arrived at the management office to conduct an interview with Justin, I was the one entrusted by the band to select a few songs so that they could first hear the new record prior to doing the interview (no one except for those involved in the production had yet heard Lateralus). I’ll never forget the smile on their faces as they listened (Justin didn’t want to be in the room with them as I played the songs). Well, if they were blown away by his playing then, I’d love to see the expressions on their faces after hearing the new stuff.

[AenImA08]

The dramatic arrangement itself was about eighteen minutes long, and I would have to say, even after having only heard it once (and, more importantly, without the vocals) it was the most impressive piece I’ve heard them do. I could only imagine what it was going to sound like with Maynard’s vocals, which he was working on from the other side of the glass. I asked what the working title of this organized pandemonium was and Justin told me. Even though the name could and probably would change when Maynard was finished with the lyrics, I’m not at liberty to reveal the working title (in case it sticks), only to say that the initials are L.K. When they finished the song there was silence in the room. Adam then glanced at me and said that it (meaning the arrangement) wasn’t quite finished yet. “NO – it IS!” I told him, just messing with him, knowing that he is the consummate perfectionist. “That’s the new single” I joked, after guessing how many minutes long it was (after all, it might have only been fifteen minutes). “Well, my part isn’t finished” he said. Adam then asked me if I’d heard the song that I missed while I was out eating lunch. I told him that I had a couple of times, but that was a few weeks ago. He said that they would play it again because they f**ked it up the first time. Before they began, Justin walked over to the mixing console and began picking through the bowl containing the colorful assortment of newfangled jelly beans, searching for quite a while for a particular color/flavor. Adam also hunted for a certain color – a golden-yellowish one that he wanted me to try, claiming it tasted like buttered popcorn. When the heathen near-vegan declined, he popped it in his mouth and subconsciously began f**king around with a chthonic riff on his silver burst.

During the break, MJK emerged from the other room and flipped me a guitar pick that had something like “I don’t really play guitar” imprinted on it. Having remedied a glitch with the electronic drums, Danny began to tell his band mates a story which he’d already told me involving a very strange incident that occurred somewhere out in the California desert. This was told to him by a friend and former band mate (no spinner of yarns), and involved some kind of anomalous lights and an apparent abduction (either by shadowy government types or otherworldly/other dimensional beings) that contained elements that researchers like Jenny Randles would call “The OZ Factor” and others would refer to as high strangeness, but would certainly be considered by the former as a “rogue case.” We all listened intently as the series of events surrounding the “abduction” or what ever occurred as told to Danny by his friend got even more bizarre. It ended with the main person involved encountering what sounded like classic MIB types. When Danny was finished, he, Maynard and I all agreed that a field trip was needed. But first Danny would need to find out exactly where the incident occurred.

[AenImA08]

With the story finished, the band played the song that I had missed. This one was no adagio either – another dimension splitter or encounter with A’ano’nin, that was about ten minutes in length and executed to perfection. During a section midway through the piece, when I closed my eyes, I could envision a whirling cone of ‘twisted sound’ piecing the aethyrs. “What the hell is in those jelly beans?” I asked. Afterwards, as Adam, Justin and Danny worked on a certain section of another new tune, I went into the other room, the one I call the Outer Void (Ain Soph) to talk to Maynard about the planned field trip, about the music business in general and about his Arizona vineyards. I also asked him if he’d make his “green sauce” for naan bread, as I was planning on making my spicy Vindaloo for a Yuletide festivity that was still in the planning stage. And, no, I wouldn’t reveal the recipe (for either).


Back in the ‘jam’ room, the guys had worked out a certain part and were playing it together when either Adam or Justin was thrown off by a cowbell sample triggered by Danny. When the inevitable SNL/Blue Oyster Cult bit came up, there was a knock at the door. This turned out to be Ann from management. She had an envelope containing a couple of Lakers tickets for Danny who was going to the game at the Staples Center that night. I asked Adam if he was going too, but he said that he and Maynard were going to a movie instead. It was about twenty minutes until the usual quitting time, and Adam asked the others if they wanted to call it a day. Justin didn’t. He wanted to work some more on another section – “string together some pieces” he said. As I watched, he walked over to the Dry-Erase message board and wiped the slate clean. So much for the birthday cake or whatever it was (anniversary?). I left for a minute to look at something in the “Outer Void”, and when I returned, the board was filled with those mnemonic triggers that represented the various parts of the composition that was being arranged. Memoria technica or not, whatever was written there, it was only decipherable to the members of the band, but, looking at it, I fondly recalled one night during the Anima or Lateralus days, when, during a drinking bout, I erased part of the formula and replaced it with my own. By doing so, I’ve always wondered whether or not in some way I contributed to a Tool song.

[AenImA08]

After experimenting on the arrangement for about a half an hour, it was time to call it a day. I put on my jacket and told the guys that I was going to go sit in the parking lot that is the 101 freeway. Justin said something about loving the traffic, and then mentioned a pub in Santa Monica that served a wonderful selection of Belgian ales. Oddly enough, he didn’t say he was going there - just that such a place existed.


When I returned home I got a phone call from my horticulturist friend down in sunny San Diego. During the conversation with Soror Petallpynx, I told her that I’d just returned from the loft where I listened to some new prog-metal. “How did the new material sound?” the surfer asked. “Very perichoretic” was my answer, but when it came to specifics I told her that I had signed a confidentiality agreement. However, I did mention the jelly beans. “Were they jelly beans or jelly bellys?” she wanted to know. “I don’t know, but there was one that Adam said tasted like buttered popcorn.” “That’s my favorite! There’s also one that tastes like caramel corn… and the toasted marshmallow one tastes like marshmallows toasted over a campfire.” “Is there one that tastes like Belgian ale?” I asked her. If so, I guess I’ll have to go back to the loft in a few days to try one. It wouldn’t be too bad to hear L.K. again either.

[AenImA08]

Just some interesting stuff about the new album

[G_Mac07]

We've (almost) all read that before. Next time, please try posting a link. Thanks:)

[AenImA08]

my bad, apparently this guy is planning on dropping in on another session here in a day or two

[Adam Jones is GOD]

The latest Toolband.com entry confused the hell out of me. I thought we had gone back to last month again.

And Faaip De Oiad did a number on me yesterday. During the time I wa slistening to it, the building i was in suffered a well timed power cut. Not fun

[The JoZ]

I don't really like Toolband.com...

Their webmasters are just a bit nuts I think, and the updates, at least lately, have little to nothing to do with Tool, at least that's what I've read. TDN might not have many updates, but at least they seem like they came from a sane source. I'm sure all this will change when the new album comes out.

I don't know if this has been addressed here yet, but is anyone else anxious to see if the guys picked up some lower tunings for this new album? Everything they've written up to Lateralus, save three songs, was in D...and while the music is some of the best ever IMO, I would love it if they had some songs in B, or C tunings...hell, even A if they felt like it! After seeing how well Dream Theater go back and forth from every tuning under the sun (well, almost, I've never seen them use C# or Bb) I would love to see Tool do the same thing. I would love to see Justin get ahold of a 5 or even better, 6 string bass...his creativity on a 4 has amazing me, imagine what he could do with another string or two? :thumb:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Toolband.com is more of a blog at times when ther eis not a lot of news floating around regarding tool. It can be a bit cryptic, but I just love some of the things Blair posts.

As for the alt tunings, it would be interesting to hear a few more lower tuning songs, or even for Adam to try a few standard tuning alternatives, even if they are lower tunings as well. From the sounds of it thought, the experimentation with tones and effects has gone to the next level again, im not sure if Justin has done the same, but i did see an article on Adam's practice space, and he has a few new stomp boxes and some bizzare pieces of equipment (one looks like an ammeter with uneadable dials).

And a 5 or 6 string for Justin would look sweet at the very least.

[clearvision]

*BEWARE RANT AHEAD*

I hate alt tunings, I have only recently been able to stick drop D (my ear is getting better and i dont have to tune to anything now) I appreciate the way adam uses the shapes in this tuning. But to go lower? CGCFAD (dropped C standard) is ok i spose. But unless you wanna sound like slipknot its not too advisable to go lower. Leave the low work to justin is what i say, Adam is the guitarist and the reason i appreciate him so much is the way he fills in melody lines with riffs etc. I don't reckon he could do this as well with Low tunings.

*/END RANT*

[Kurrpt]

*BEWARE RANT AHEAD*

I hate alt tunings, I have only recently been able to stick drop D (my ear is getting better and i dont have to tune to anything now) I appreciate the way adam uses the shapes in this tuning. But to go lower? CGCFAD (dropped C standard) is ok i spose. But unless you wanna sound like slipknot its not too advisable to go lower. Leave the low work to justin is what i say, Adam is the guitarist and the reason i appreciate him so much is the way he fills in melody lines with riffs etc. I don't reckon he could do this as well with Low tunings.

*/END RANT*


i hate down tuning, but billy howerdels C# F# B E G# C# is awesome. I have my LP standard permanently tuned to that

[Adam Jones is GOD]

*BEWARE RANT AHEAD*

I hate alt tunings, I have only recently been able to stick drop D (my ear is getting better and i dont have to tune to anything now) I appreciate the way adam uses the shapes in this tuning. But to go lower? CGCFAD (dropped C standard) is ok i spose. But unless you wanna sound like slipknot its not too advisable to go lower. Leave the low work to justin is what i say, Adam is the guitarist and the reason i appreciate him so much is the way he fills in melody lines with riffs etc. I don't reckon he could do this as well with Low tunings.

*/END RANT*

The lower tunings only work well in certain ways. For example, Will haven (god knows if anyone kne wthem on here) used drop B exclusively and it fit so well with the angry nature of their music. But some bands use it to try and create an angrier sound, but it just seems like a gimmick. The times tool have seriously down tuned, it has worked well (end of parabola anyone?)

My rant on drop tunings are those people that complain about drop D. Although i wont start complaining, ill be here for a while.

And I really do need to put my old guitar into the step and a half down tuning soon. thats as low as ill go though

[Kurrpt]

The lower tunings only work well in certain ways. For example, Will haven (god knows if anyone kne wthem on here) used drop B exclusively and it fit so well with the angry nature of their music. But some bands use it to try and create an angrier sound, but it just seems like a gimmick. The times tool have seriously down tuned, it has worked well (end of parabola anyone?)

My rant on drop tunings are those people that complain about drop D. Although i wont start complaining, ill be here for a while.

And I really do need to put my old guitar into the step and a half down tuning soon. thats as low as ill go though

me too, hey did i show you the silverburst im looking at? its the sexiest one EVER. Adam Jones would be proud

[The JoZ]

*BEWARE RANT AHEAD*

I hate alt tunings, I have only recently been able to stick drop D (my ear is getting better and i dont have to tune to anything now) I appreciate the way adam uses the shapes in this tuning. But to go lower? CGCFAD (dropped C standard) is ok i spose. But unless you wanna sound like slipknot its not too advisable to go lower. Leave the low work to justin is what i say, Adam is the guitarist and the reason i appreciate him so much is the way he fills in melody lines with riffs etc. I don't reckon he could do this as well with Low tunings.

*/END RANT*

I hate the people who automatically think that any lower than C is automatically a Slipknot song for something :rolleyes:

Tool has already used two variations of drop B anyway, once on Prison Sex and once on Parabola, and both worked very, very well, and neither sounded anything like Slipknot has ever written.

Dream Theater pulls out the 7 string often enough, and nothing they've written sounds like Slipknot either. Not even close.

I personally love alt tunings. They only increase the amount of things you can play, and there is nothing wrong with that.

[clearvision]

Meh, I just find it a pain in the arse tuning down. I was looking to learn some chevelle stuff the other day, but its just a bitch tuning down to A or whatever that song was. To be honest though if you're gonna tune past dropped C you may aswell kick your bassist out of the band. Both Adams tunings were only on the bottom strings still alowing him to do what he does best. I find that he supports maynard alot of the time, if he tuned down to A then he would have to play miles up the neck. I think he should stick with drop D and maybe go to drop C if he really wants, screw the howerdel tunings and 7 strings.

[Pastry Man]

this is probably irrelevant to what other people are saying but i will say it anyway. i have been listening to quite a lot of tool lately. they are actually really good. i used to listen to them about 5 years ago. but now i like them again. schism and the grudge are amazing songs.

[comeoverandhelpmepunchme]

the song opiate is maynard challanging organised religion. just think about wat u hear he's saying that the church considers people not smart enough to make their own choices

has any1 else noticed that the opiate cd is summarising their career.
sweat-heavist just like the undertow album
hush-saying that he doesnt care just like some songs on aenima
part of me - slow almost spoken lyrics just like lateralus

so knowing all this we shoud be able to fig out wat the next 3 albums will be like

[TheMachineRagesOn]

mmmm perhaps, yet i think in my opinion that the next album will be their heaviest to date, but thats just me.

[G_Mac07]

^ Well they toured with Meshuggah, so they might draw some influences from them. And I'm pretty sure Tool have said themselves that it will be their heaviest album yet. It should however, be nothing short of amazing.

[jamesclelland]

I've heard a rumor that the new **** will be more influenced by meshuggah. I don't know if it's true, but you can imagine what tool could do with the combined sounds.
I missed some of the downtuning talk, and i personally dont like to downtune, but if the song i'm trying to learn in downtuned i'll do it. but i'll only play songs in the tuning for like a week, so i dont have to tune again.(my guitar doesnt go from d to c#or B then back to d very easily.)

[Uber-Termite]

Anyone know why tool neva brougt out a live dvd????

[Kage]

Probably so they can laugh at people who say "neva"

[Magicaltroll]

:lol:

to the downtuning talk, i also hate downtuning, well past drop d, because i have one of those pain in the *** floyd rose bridges and those bolts on the top of the neck (not sure if you know what im talking about...) and its kinda hard to tune your guitar with that stuff. but i usually have my guitar in drop d because ive been obsessing over playing tool songs lately

/FINALLY sat down and started learning tool

[jamesclelland]

learn eulogy, lateralus, and stinkfist. well learn what you want, but i recommend those. very fun and easy to play

[pseudokudo]

can anyone help with the meaning of Forty Six & 2? Been trying to figure it out.

[supermasterp0rnoman]

i read somewhere that its about DNA, like how we have 46 chromosones in our DNA and 2 more would make us the ultimate being.

[Shadius]

Anyone know why tool neva brougt out a live dvd????

One word;

Salival.

[G_Mac07]

^ I didn't think the DVD was live, only some of the songs on the CD. I don't however, have Salival (yet), so I'm just going from what I've heard.

[LiquidPark13]

Taken from the "official" TOOL FAQ @ http://toolshed.down.net/faq/faq.html

G36. What does it all mean, 46, 2, shadows?
You could write a whole FAQ for this one question alone; the major underlying principles relate to chromosomes and Jungian theory. Some of the ideas behind this song are based on the teachings of Drunvalo Melchizadek. Here's a snip of an interview with him (Leading Edge, 12/95):
"There are three totally different kinds of humans on the Earth, meaning that they perceive the One reality in three different ways, interpreted differently. The first kind of human has a chromosome composition of 42+2. They comprise a unity consciousness that does not see anything outside themselves as being separate from themselves. To them, there is only one energy - one life, one beingness that moves everywhere. Anything happening anywhere is within them, as well. They are like cells in the body. They are all connected to a single consciousness that moves through all of them. These are the aboriginals in Australia. There might be a few African tribes left like this. Then, there is our level, comprising 44+2 chromosomes. We are a disharmonic level of consciousness that is used as a steppingstone from the 42+2 level to the next level, 46+2...These two additional chromosomes change everything."

Rachel Wells (eileen@loop.com) has written this moderately long, excellent summary of all the relevant Jungian concepts:

"Anima / Animus (pronounced On-ee-mah):
In Jungian psychology, the anima refers to personality traits regarded as feminine that are often repressed into the unconscious of males while the animus refers to traits regarded as masculine that are often repressed into the unconsciousness of females.

Although suppressed from conscious awareness, the anima/animus influences our behavior in powerful ways. In most individuals,it is projected onto people of the opposite sex and accounts for the experience of falling in love with someone we hardly know. As the unconscious pole of the self, the counter-ego represented by the anima/animus can also be a guide to one's own unconscious realm. It is often experienced as the guiding female (if you're male) or male (if you're female) presence in dreams.

The Shadow:

In Carl Jung's personality theory, the ego represents the individual's sense of personal self. The sense of personal identity is purchased, however, at the expense of certain tendencies that are rejected as 'not-self'. According to Jung, these rejected traits come together as a kind of unconscious 'counter-ego' which he termed the shadow.

We may become unduly anxious or irritated when in an environment or around a person that in some way reminds us of repressed aspects of our self. If a person has rejected his or her own sex drive, for example, that person may feel irrational fear or anger around an overtly sexual individual. The shadow may appear as a person in one's dreams, usually as an individual of the same sex.

Of all the archetypes, the shadow is the most powerful and potentially the most dangerous. It represents everything about ourselves that we fear and despise.

The meaning of 46 + 2:

According to Melchezedek, our planet is covered with geometrically constructed 'morpho genetic grids'. These grids extend from about 60 feet under the Earth's surface to about 60 miles above the Earth, arranged in geometric patterns (see 'Sacred Geometry'). Each species has its own grid, which supports life, and connects the consciousness of its particular species. Before any species can come into existance or make an evolutionary step, a new grid must be completed. When a species becomes extinct, that particular species' grid dissoves.

A new grid was completed in 1989 - the 'christ-consciousness' grid. This grid will allow humans to evolve into our next version. We'll develop two additional chromosomes (which are really 'geometrical images' designed to resonate with our specific grid) for a total or 46 + 2.

The main change will be a shift to the "unity consciousness". Every cell in your body has its own consciousness and memory. You, the higher being that occupies your body, make the millions of different consciousnesses in your body work together as one being. How does this relate to this grid? Think of yourself as a cell and the grid as the higher being. We will still have individual consciousness, but will be united in the form of a higher being in order to work as one entity."

Scientifically speaking, humans don't appear to be evolving new chromosomes (or much of anything else; thanks to technology). If you want to learn more, search the web or take a class!

[Grey Incision]

:lol:

to the downtuning talk, i also hate downtuning, well past drop d, because i have one of those pain in the *** floyd rose bridges and those bolts on the top of the neck (not sure if you know what im talking about...) and its kinda hard to tune your guitar with that stuff. but i usually have my guitar in drop d because ive been obsessing over playing tool songs lately

/FINALLY sat down and started learning tool

yeah, i know what you mean, even if you use a tuner it's still hard to properly get the tuning right, that's why i use my old guitar for downtuning (Tool, some pantera) and my beautiful green esp for standard (opeth \m/)

[jamesclelland]

tool doesn't really downtune though, just one string and i can do that be ear in one quick turn. If i want i check and its 4/5 cents off. its downtuning all the strings that i understand people dont like.

[The JoZ]

If Tool can still sound like Tool, but with the brutality of Meshuggah, it might just be the best album ever made.

[jamesclelland]

thats the word going around. but its hard to back any tool news so.

[Prince of Darkness]

i read on a Fan Site that they're bringing out a live DVD,with Live performances from six different concerts since 2002. I really hope its true and not one of their "RUMORS"

I Started listening to Opiate. Its actually quite good. Very Different, but good in its own way.Now I've gone from liking only Lateralus and Aenima to liking all four albums.
I'm quite proud of my self.

PS: Ive got a pic of Maynard when he was in The Army!HA!

[Bumpy]

PS: Ive got a pic of Maynard when he was in The Army!HA!
I've got that picture too. Here's the link: http://members.tripod.com/~TOOLsmart/index-3.html

I'm having problems with that page. It's very slow to load and I've had to refresh the page about 8 times, so be patient if you're having problems. :p

[pariahscurse]

just out of curiousity, why does everyone look at the religious prospects of tool, when ou have 46 and 2, which my knowledge of it is a evolution jump, the chromosome level now adays is something like 42 or maybe even 44 and 2, which my interpretation is he talking about a day where people will be able to use the full extent of their brains, not just the 10 percent or whatever nowadays, but the frontal lobe in which telepathy, and telekinetic ability is found, or maybe just the thought of looking at all the possibilities, like religion, having a open mind and being willing to accept anything and everything that might happen, not just try to narrow something down, yeah tool, or hell even a perfect circle have songs that may have some kind of religious reference, but shouldn't we be looking at the overall prospect of all of the writings on the album, to fully see the true picture. like someone else said, keenan is one of the most thought provocative writers i've ever read or looked into, and that's why i don't try to narrow down any certain message, or image he might be portraying, and just look at it all and try to merely, enjoy, and open my mind to it.

[The JoZ]

Alot of people look at Tool and religion because it can easily be applied. Songs like Eulogy, or Disgustipated, or even Aenima, have religious overtones to them. The references to God or Christ or whatever might be oblique, but they are there.

Maynard has often said that fan's interpretations are often wrong, meaning that we thought of something he wasn't exactly trying to say. But he did note that he'd prefer people guessing wrong than not guessing at all, or something, I don't remember the exact quote.

[Dancin' Man]

Who sings the harmony in You Lied off of Salival? And why does it sound like there are 2 guitars + bass?

[G_Mac07]

Peach's vocalist also played guitar on some of the Peach's songs. Perhaps Tool performed You Lied with two guitars.

/goes back to doing Peach review

[The JoZ]

Who sings the harmony in You Lied off of Salival? And why does it sound like there are 2 guitars + bass?


Peach's vocalist also played guitar on some of the Peach's songs. Perhaps Tool performed You Lied with two guitars.

/goes back to doing Peach review


"You Lied" was indeed covered by Tool with two guitars. The second guitar part featured Buzz from The Melvins.

[Locks]

I'm kinda just getting into Tool. I've heard a fair bit of Lateralus, and a couple of others but thats pretty much just grazing the surface. Anything anyone wants to recommend that will help feed my growing passion?

[G_Mac07]

Buy Lateralus if you like what you've heard so far. That's what will do the songs the most justice, and then work back through Aenima, Undertow and Opiate. Aenima would also be a good first album to buy though, if it takes your fancy.

[Epigoth]

hmmm...

I think Eulogy is about people standing up over everyone, with a voice so high and a meaning so strong, that he affects the weaker crowd to follow him and his opinion..

Thats what I think after reading the lyrics, but hey, im only fifteen.

Nice song btw.
Anyone figured Schism?

hey man, i'm fourteen, and this is what i got out of Schism

I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them fall away
mildewed and smoldering, fundamental differing,
pure intention juxtaposed will set two lovers souls in motion
disintegrating as it goes testing our communication
the light that fueled our fire then has burned a hole between us so
we cannot see to reach an end crippling our communication.

I know the pieces fit cuz I watched them tumble down
no fault, none to blame it doesn't mean I don't desire to
point the finger, blame the other, watch the temple topple over.
To bring the pieces back together, rediscover communication.

The poetry that comes from the squaring off between,
And the circling is worth it.
Finding beauty in the dissonance.

There was a time that the pieces fit, but I watched them fall away.
Mildewed and smoldering, strangled by our coveting
I've done the the math enough to know the dangers of a second guessing
Doomed to crumble unless we grow, and strengthen our communication

cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion

between supposed lovers
between supposed brothers.

And I know the pieces fit.

and here's ths dictionary definition:

schism

a separation, an alienation causing divisions among Christians, who ought to be united

so what Maynard is saying is that he knows there is a relation between all religions, and that they had all cooperated at one time, but the time was so long ago, that the pieces are mildewed and smouldering (just pulling it out if the song).

then he looks to the Christian religion, where they believe that a lover should only have a "soul in motion" (yes, reprodctively speaking) if he were to have another christian, yet pure intention juxtaposed would speak of having the relations with another religion, perheps creating the schism.

It doesn't mean i dont desire to point the finger, blame the other, watch the temple topple over this means that the religions that we support today (if any) may be totally based on the pointing of fingers and blaming of others, and hence creating yet another reason for a Schism.

(if you haven't noticed, this all realtes back to the creation of a schism)

The poetry that comes from the squaring off between, And the circling is worth it. Finding beauty in the dissonance. may be referring to the Holocaust, where the two religions (Jewish and Christian) are "squaring off", and "circling" (somewhat of a wildman's approach to a battle).

(let it be known that in the holocaust, Hitler was also Jewish)

I've done the the math enough to know the dangers of a second guessing
Doomed to crumble unless we grow, and strengthen our communication would probably be from a leader's point of view (maybe hitler's) where the uncertainty of religion (once again hitler perhaps) may be considered as second guessing, and that he has an idea of what may happen.

cold silence has a tendency to atrophy any sense of compassion between supposed lovers, between supposed brothers. would probably mean that the religions, as one (brothers/lovers) falling apart (atrophy any sense of compassion)

hope this helped.

anybody got an idea about Parabola?

Blackened.White

bungface@hotmail.com :thumb:

[KillerShears]

I'm kind of getting mad at tool's website now...(haha what a retard, angry at a website). But they lack way too much information regarding the release of the new album...I would like to know if any of you are into the band Tool enough to give me a rough estimate of when we can be expecting Tool's newest album.

[The JoZ]

A schism is not related only to Christians. The Great Schism back in the early 1000's was a split between what became the Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches, but a schism by itself simply means a split, or division, into parts.

I honestly think that Lateralus as a whole has nothing to do with religion. The entire album has a theme of severed/broken relationships, reconciliation, and the thoughts that go with such things.

The religion analysis was quite interesting, and while I don't necessarily want to call it 'wrong', I am pretty sure that what you have come up with was not what Maynard was trying to say...

[jamesclelland]

I'm kind of getting mad at tool's website now...(haha what a retard, angry at a website). But they lack way too much information regarding the release of the new album...I would like to know if any of you are into the band Tool enough to give me a rough estimate of when we can be expecting Tool's newest album.

Most of us here at mx get our tool news from toolband. it pisses me off as well that it's been 4 years and no cd, but look at it this way, lateralus took how long and it was the best cd from them yet. so "be patient" "wait it out" and i'm sure you'll be satisfied when it's released.

[Otherside]

Besides, anticipation = gratification.


The more I wait for it, the better it's bound to be.

[KillerShears]

That's not what happenend with halo 2 my friend. I anticipated....it came out to suck.

I DO like how Tool is keeping sound samples away from people though. I'm not listening to ANY of there stuff that is new EVER until I have the CD in my hands...Now THAT's anticipation. And yes, I can trust them enough not to suck..I just hope it isn't anything like APC's emotive.

[Kage]

A schism is not related only to Christians. The Great Schism back in the early 1000's was a split between what became the Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches, but a schism by itself simply means a split, or division, into parts.

I honestly think that Lateralus as a whole has nothing to do with religion. The entire album has a theme of severed/broken relationships, reconciliation, and the thoughts that go with such things.

The religion analysis was quite interesting, and while I don't necessarily want to call it 'wrong', I am pretty sure that what you have come up with was not what Maynard was trying to say...

This is more or less what I was going to say in response to the Schism theory. It's very intereting, mind you, and I think everyone should find his own meaning behind songs, but I agree with Joz in the meaning.

And I as well don't like the official Tool site. The "updates" seem to be some moron just rambling on about things I really have no interest in, and rarely do they ever talk about the real Tool news. Am I wrong on this? If what they're talking about has to do with the new album, then please enlighten me.

[jamesclelland]

Blair, the guy on toolband. He talks a lot about the melvins and other bands that play and hang out with tool. it is irrelevent to me as well, but it could be like toolshed and have nothing updated for years. at least blair will put out a newsletter and talk about what each individual band member did (if for example, they go on a long trip, or record an epic song, like the one he recently talked about.)

My advice is to read the december newsletter and if you think it's all complete nonsense, dont read blair's stuff anymore.

[Otherside]

New update on toolband.com, scroll down to news letter.

[9 sides]

I'd just like to remind any noobs crashing this thread to please go back and read old posts. And for God's sake, search the band elsewhere online if you want to actually sound like you know something.

[jamesclelland]

I wonder what adam jones has come up with for the new album. They went from metal(dare i say it), to dark, to more of a heavy progressive, to amazing guitar riffs and mind blowing bass melodies. Looking through there past progressions as a band and how there music has changed so much over each cd, it's almost impossible to tell where they might go.
I only know one thing for sure, within a month i will beable to play at least half the new cd, because all i do is play tool, and i need some new **** learn.

[Tool666]

http://www.toolband.com/secrets/renne/main.html

http://www.toolband.com/secrets/crypto.html

Some secret links on the site, in case people who haven't seen them can see it.

[Dancin' Man]

/My input on Schism

I've come to feel that it is the Tool equivalent of a breakup song but is easily applicable to any sort of falling out or breaking of ties. I think that is has to do with a betrayal that leads to the split. The lines that gave me this idea were "Between supposed brothers/Between supposed lovers"
Maybe there is something in there about how they were perfectly aligned with each other but something happened. The idea that a joist may be held in place forever but if the joist rots it will fall out, no matter how strong the bond was.

[G_Mac07]

I'll agree that Schism is about the breaking of some deep/solid relationship with a friend, most probably the same person who is referred to in Ticks & Leeches, The Grudge, and Reflection.

[estel]

The longer I wait for it, thew better it's bound to be

By that logic, Chinese Democracy will be the best CD ever :D

anybody got an idea about Parabola

Yes. But not just Parabola, you have to take into account Parabol as well, given how closely the tracks are related (on the CD, and lyrically)

Parabola/Parabola are more philosophical tracks, along the lines of Lateralus.
Listening to the lyrics should pretty much make it clear.
"We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion" -> is the gist of the song.
Regardless of what happens to your body, it is just a house for the soul. The eternal part of you which provides your consciousness.
There is a lot more that could be analysed, but I really think the lyrics of Parabola speak for themselves, and accompany Lateralus rather well (the song, not the whole album).

As for Schsm, it's about the only song by Tool which has an obvious interpretation for a break-up, not just of the Churches, but also a romantic relationship.

[G_Mac07]

I also thought it might have been about an intimate/romantic relationship, it just didn't really come across as Maynards style.

[Otherside]

By that logic, Chinese Democracy will be the best CD ever

Nah, I was only saying that in reference to Tool. Procrastination is different than hard work anyways :P

[G_Mac07]

Tool > Axl Rose and his band of everchanging friends

[TheseFailuresMakeUsHuman]

so I'm new to the forums, but i have been a big Tool fan since I was about fourteen. anyways...

I've been reading through this thread( haven't gotten all the way through yet) and one of the trends I've tended to notice is that everyone seems to be trying to analyze the lyrics from the perspective of maynard. Personally I feel that this task is about as futile as trying to analyze the a painting by Dali from his perspective. Instead I've taken a much more personal approach to looking at the songs.

Lateralus- This song to me represents the seperation of emotions and the intellect. We become so obssessed with looking at issues with an anylitical approach that we abandon are emotions and intuitions. The song is almost a ballad of sorts. If we take on the perspective of the character we see his birth and growing and expiriencing the world, allowing him to truly appreciated everything around him. Then we see how he starts to analyze everything and and lose the initial expierience. He becomes to enamored with the inner workings with everything that he loses sight of the actual meanings. Then we see where he regains this connections, where he lets it all go and regains what it means to be human. at this point he once agian begins to feel human and is then able to grow, to ecome more. Once he allows himself to simply be lost in it all he then starts out on the path to enlightenment.

The whole idea sort of fits with the rythm of the idea of so called christ conciousness that maynard seems to deal with. THe song fits very well with the story of THe Buddha, born into a high caste family of Brahmans, then leaves searching for something more to life and is sucked into a very material life and then abandons that and lets himself become completely engulfed with his emotionsand then reaches enlightenment. WE can also look to christ for another example of this, growws up religious, we are then not given the complete story of what happens next in his life and we come back in on when he is reaching enlightenment.

THe whole underlying message is linked closely with the idea of christ conciousness in the gnostic caballa sense, which is the act of enlightenment in which one becomes fully human and fully divine, and also coincides with the ideas put forth in 46&2 which is linked to the ideas of embracing the darker sides of ourselves and then being able to progress on to Melchizadek's concept of enlightenment. ANd like always there is some eveidence of this hidden in the song, mainly the line "as above, so below" which is an esoteric mantra almost closely linked to western esoteric qabalism(note on the different spellings of kaballah: the different spellings are intentional as they relate to the group they are part of. this arises due to the many possible spellings when one converts the hebrew into english. the spelling cabala tends to be a more modern one, qabala tends to be linked to more esoteric groups such as golden dawn or thelema, and kaballah tends to reference more towards the more pure jewish practice of it.) Looking at the evidence and the flow of the songs we can easily see where the ideas of spiritual ascension come into play.

Like I said this is what the song personally represented to me and what I found for myself in it. Any comments are greatly welcomed.

[magicbus]

I'm listening to Lateralus right now. Probably one of my favorite cds, very progressive too.

/doesn't have much to say :upset:

[jamesclelland]

excellent post thesefailuresmakeushuman. but, you still only looked at it from a lyrical point of view. Have you tried learning the instruments to lateralus yet? I can do some bass, and all guitar, and I feel that to really understand a song you need to feel it. I feel it by listening to every note, how it coincides with justins riff, and how danny is setting a main rythem flow. Only after you can do all four (lyrically,guitar,bass, and drum) can fully feel and comprehend the song. In my opionion anyway.

[Shadius]

excellent post thesefailuresmakeushuman. but, you still only looked at it from a lyrical point of view. Have you tried learning the instruments to lateralus yet? I can do some bass, and all guitar, and I feel that to really understand a song you need to feel it. I feel it by listening to every note, how it coincides with justins riff, and how danny is setting a main rythem flow. Only after you can do all four (lyrically,guitar,bass, and drum) can fully feel and comprehend the song. In my opionion anyway.

I doubt there's anyone on the planet that do *all* of the parts to more than a couple of Tool songs perfectly. Mostly just because I doubt hardly anyone anyone knows how to play the drums perfectly (for a lot of Tool songs), or have the right effects on the guitar, or has Maynards range and quality, for that matter. That'd be an exceptionally lucky person to be able to do all of that (not at the same time, obviously)

Anyway, yeah, learning how to play a song gives you more feel for it, but it's not essential to be able to feel what a song is, especially learning all of the parts. None of the members of the band can play all the parts and they obviously feel the songs.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

When I first heard Tool, I had zero musical knowledge. I found it was just something so epic sounding and complex, that I had to be invovled with the world of music.
So I got a guitar, and began learning all I could. I still have the same appreciation to this day, even though I now know how most of it is performed.

So its not necessary to have any music knowledge to fully appreciate it. There are different ways to appreciate their music, and different people will find it appeallng to them for many reasons.

[Kurrpt]

I doubt there's anyone on the planet that do *all* of the parts to more than a couple of Tool songs perfectly. Mostly just because I doubt hardly anyone anyone knows how to play the drums perfectly (for a lot of Tool songs), or have the right effects on the guitar, or has Maynards range and quality, for that matter. That'd be an exceptionally lucky person to be able to do all of that (not at the same time, obviously)

Anyway, yeah, learning how to play a song gives you more feel for it, but it's not essential to be able to feel what a song is, especially learning all of the parts. None of the members of the band can play all the parts and they obviously feel the songs.


yea i agree. I think he meant that you appreciate their abilities more

[Kurrpt]

When I first heard Tool, I had zero musical knowledge. I found it was just something so epic sounding and complex, that I had to be invovled with the world of music.
So I got a guitar, and began learning all I could. I still have the same appreciation to this day, even though I now know how most of it is performed.

So its not necessary to have any music knowledge to fully appreciate it. There are different ways to appreciate their music, and different people will find it appeallng to them for many reasons.

dude thats the EXACT same reason i picked up a guitar

rep++

btw, what you think of the avatar
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[Adam Jones is GOD]

Had to check twice before I could figure what video it was

/goes to watch Salival just to make sure it is Prison Sex

[Kurrpt]

Had to check twice before I could figure what video it was

/goes to watch Salival just to make sure it is Prison Sex


yea, i missed my chance to get that on DVD :upset:

i dont wanna spend 90 on ebay either

[clearvision]

Tskk not all of us have salival :upset:

[Kurrpt]

Had to check twice before I could figure what video it was

/goes to watch Salival just to make sure it is Prison Sex

by the by, you're right

that used to be my favorite song on the album
im in love with undertow straight into 4 degrees

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Tskk not all of us have salival :upset:

Thank god for that fantastic record store in Nottingham. Some believe the original copy of the bible is hidden there somewhere :eek:

[clearvision]

:lol: I'll get a copy someday, when im as famous as tool...I'll hint i want a copy every interview i get, some fan is bound to donate me a copy...

/...keeps dreaming

[The JoZ]

/bought Salival (non DVD version) for only 23 bucks.

What?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Mine was £20, so (crappy currency conversion) im guessing thats about the same as what you paid.

I also got the String tribute album from there, and there are a few tribute albums done by various never-heard-of bands there.

[Shadius]

You probably paid almost twice what he did. Dosn't matter tho, i'm sure it was worth it. I have Salival, i'd have paid that much for it.

[Kurrpt]

its 90 american on ebay, and that would be like 50 british pound. I was looking for like a month. I dont need the videos THAT much. I got the cd itself burned, and have all the other albums. If i wanna see it, ill just watch it on the computer

[9 sides]

Going back to the discussion on Schism; in a Guitar World interview in 2001, I remember the interviewer giving his interpretation of the song. It was along the lines of a relationship experiencing conflict/argument etc. Adam responded that that was a valid interpretation because many positons were valid. That doesn't necessarily mean that Maynard wrote the lyrics about something as simple, but that, like most musicians, the guys in Tool believe one can find their meaning for a song. If you interested in the subjects/ideas Maynard was drawing upon, you must consider the split between the Christian Churches as an important piece.

[TheseFailuresMakeUsHuman]

but then again I don't think tool want you to know what the song means to them, I believe tool wants you to discover something in it for yourself, to use the music to inspire you and grow as a person. schism could be about slicing tomatoes to someone but as long as the get something personal from it the true meaning doesn't matter

[Huber]

Has any new Tool songs leaked or eve been released? I've been a little absent from the land of Tool for awhile and didn't know. My friend said he heard a new song, so Iw as wondering.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Has any new Tool songs leaked or eve been released? I've been a little absent from the land of Tool for awhile and didn't know. My friend said he heard a new song, so Iw as wondering.

Nope, and honestly if one was leaked now, I wouldnt go snooping around the net looking for it. Im going to wait till im listening to them from the released CD.

Im sure im probably the only person that patient, but thats how I feel about this downloading buisness now

[Darobat]

Just registered here.

I just got the Lateralus CD, and I'm wondering if the last 2 minutes about 6:35 on Triad are supposed to be blank? Also, is Faaip de Oaid supposed to have so much static? I'm guessing they both are suppoed to be there but I'm just checking.

[Otherside]

Yes on both accounts.

Speaking of Faaip de Oaid, I have the un-altered actual radio recording of it. Anyone care to hear it?

[Daven]

when is the new cd coming out, and how is it gonna call anyways?
:thumb:

[Sleeper]

I have no clue when the new one is coming out. The band is being very hush hush about it.

[Sleeper]

Also ive heard the rumor that its going to be a double disk cd.

[SickoKid]

On the topic of APC who thinks the 'Counting Bodies Like Sheep To The Rhythm Of The War Drums' has a good video? Personally I think it's pretty funny with Bush and stuff yet, It is so true. Bush is taking over peoples mind and turning them into sheep, burning all that is good like books and ruling them with Television. If someone doesn't like his ideals they are labeled a 'traitor' which puts out a message of what he is really like. That's just an opinion though.

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

You Lied rules. It such a sick guitar riff, it sounds like Black Sabbath or something.

[4130]

Also ive heard the rumor that its going to be a double disk cd.

HOLY ****, if that's true I'm going to cream my pants TWICE.

[Dancin' Man]

Nope, and honestly if one was leaked now, I wouldnt go snooping around the net looking for it. Im going to wait till im listening to them from the released CD.

Im sure im probably the only person that patient, but thats how I feel about this downloading buisness now

Same here but for me it's about the new The Mars Volta album. I refuse to listen to the leak. I have it on my computer, waiting to listen to when the album comes out in case there are any differences, but I haven't listened yet.

[Kage]

Nope, and honestly if one was leaked now, I wouldnt go snooping around the net looking for it. Im going to wait till im listening to them from the released CD.

Im sure im probably the only person that patient, but thats how I feel about this downloading buisness now

I'll agree with that. Especially with a band like Tool, their albums are very much needed to be heard in full. Before I really got into them, I had several songs downloaded on my computer, but it wasn't until I actually purchased and listen to their full albums that I realized how great their music is.

[ANewHope]

A guy way back there said that 'Stinkfist' is about anal fisting.

How wrong you are. I read something about Stinkfist somewhere, and it is now what I believe the song is about.

What i believe, is that Stinkfist is about the desensitisation of the human race. For example, back in the 1970's it was shocking to put certain things on television, like nudity, drugs etc. Nowadays, people dont 'want more', they 'need more' to be stimulated. It's ok to show that stuff now as we are used to it. We, the human race are becoming desensitised. "Knuckle/Fist/Shoulder deep within the borderline". This is saying that we need more and more to stimulate us, and each time we want to get it as close to the borderline (past that being too far) as we can without going over it. Another example would be taking as much heroin as you can to get as stimulated as you can without overdosing.



This is off subject, but when I was reading your post I thought of the movie "Running Man".

[Dancin' Man]

I've decided LAMC is one of my favorite Tool tracks. It's just so scary. It's like a bad trip in a house of mirrors through sound.

[ANewHope]

Oh yea, if anyone here can tell me where I can find some cool interviews with Adam Jones talking about the guitar and such that would be cool.

[ANewHope]

Holy ****. I just read a crap load about "Planet X" Lateralus is starting to make too much sense. The cross in the back of the book represents the "northern cross". Its worth looking into.....it's kind of spooky the whole subject.

[Dancin' Man]

link to that?

[G_Mac07]

Yes on both accounts.

Speaking of Faaip de Oaid, I have the un-altered actual radio recording of it. Anyone care to hear it?

Can you send it my way. Thanks. gregbyers at gmail.com :)

And on the subject of the Tool leak, I doubt that there is one. And if there was, the people who truly appreciate Tool's music would wait for the album anyway. Listening to their songs individually just doesn't seem to do them justice. A leak might however, speed up the rate at which the album is produced, so that may be a positive thing to draw from the situation.

[ANewHope]

link to that?



If you read the article you start to put the puzzle together.

http://www.subversiveelement.com/Planet_X.html


Also this is just something weird I found....it mentions toolshed.net

http://www.googlism.com/when_is/p/planet_x/


When you really think about it, even the stuff the dude from Nasa says on Lateralus could add up.

[G_Mac07]

Just gotta say, Congrats on reaching 100 pages worth of awesome Tool info and discussion. To:
Adam Jones is GOD
Fast Fingers
SonorKen
Kage
The Joz
JamesCelland
Otherside
clearvision
and all the other regular posters in this thread. Good Job :thumb:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

100 pages of (mainly) good discussion, sharing of files and knowledge, and a LOT of anticipation. Well done to all of us.

And on a trivial gimmicky note, since Official threads are dying soon, this thread is going to need a new name, as I would still prefer to post here rather than make more threads in the future. Anyone got a good one?

[munky_magik]

I think they're still going to live on, possibly with the same name. It's just that people aren't happy with the way they divide the forum so threads on the band will still be allowed, just not directed to be in the official thread. The official threads will still continue I think.
That's what I understood of the situation anyway.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I think there wil be the need to remove the Official sign from threads though, to allow for multiple threads to be started again.

Plus a new name would be a good thing though.

[The Flabbit Rides High]

What about...: "Toolshed"?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Copyright infringement++

But sound sgood. Lets be the first thread to be sued.

[The Flabbit Rides High]

Lets be honest here, Do we really give a fuc.k about Toolshed.net?

Its just full of meaningless info on top of some bios on Tool.

[clearvision]

100 pages... :eek: clearvision - 3rd biggets postwhore in the tool thread :)

New name eh? It has to have some reference to tool so trivial lyricy type names are out :( I was thinking 'The patients' We've all been so patient for this dam album ;)

[Dancin' Man]

Why not just

The Tool Thread.

With a period of course, for finality.

[clearvision]

Indeed.

[G_Mac07]

Why not just

The Tool Thread.

With a period of course, for finality.

The period must stay, it's like a part of this threads identity.

[Otherside]

The Non-Official Tool Thread.



How about that?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

The Non-Official Tool Thread.



How about that?

Non official just says crappy for me. Unauthorised has a similar effect.

I think The Tool Thread seems a good choice. ALthough we could steal The Tool Collective and wait for the law suits

[jamesclelland]

i don't think tool or site owners would sue, but lawyers may have a problem. what about some lyrical content like "ride the spiral" or something. that one sucked but maybe someone can use that idea and come up with something good.

special thanks to G_Mac07 for the kudos. But really it's thanks to everyone for all there great input.

[Dancin' Man]

I think just "Tool." or "The Tool Thread." would be best because it is clear what it is and has an obvious name.

[The JoZ]

Just gotta say, Congrats on reaching 100 pages worth of awesome Tool info and discussion. To:
Adam Jones is GOD
Fast Fingers
SonorKen
Kage
The Joz
JamesCelland
Otherside
clearvision
and all the other regular posters in this thread. Good Job :thumb:

As one of the resident Toolophiles I try to do my part :thumb:

Why don't we call it "The Shed of Tool"? No infringment to worry about there, plus it's our place of Tool...plus, I dunno, it sounds cool? :cool:

[Adam Jones is GOD]

I think it has to be something good, as everyone else will be spurting out tool threads like no tommorrow when their album is out, so having a thread like this where well known intelligent posters go will be somewhat of a safehaven

[The Flabbit Rides High]

Yeh, that sounds ok.




/hopes one day my name will be thre

[Otherside]

How about "The Eon Blue Apocalypse"?

[The Flabbit Rides High]

What about "The Undertow"

[G_Mac07]

How about "The Eon Blue Apocalypse"?

I like that, but it also reminds me of the numerous members named "Eon Blue Apocalypse" or likewise, who seem to only live in the Pit. :rolleyes:

[The JoZ]

I still like my suggestion.

I might be a little biased though :p

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

So today I bought Lateralus at Borders. I can't beleive I didn't buy it before. It's basically my first listening of any Tool material. Expect to see me posting in here some now. :thumb: *Jams out to Reflection*

[Sleeper]

Pick up aenema its insane.

[G_Mac07]

May I suggest you also get Aenima, if it's not going to rape your wallet too much :p Those two albums are amazing.

EDIT: beaten

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

The reason I actually ended up getting Lateralus is because I had a coupon for 25% off one item, and both Lateralus and Aenima were 19 bucks, but I decided to get Lateralus. I wouldn't have bought it if I didn't have the coupon. 19 dollars for a CD is perposterous.

[G_Mac07]

If you read the article you start to put the puzzle together.

http://www.subversiveelement.com/Planet_X.html


Also this is just something weird I found....it mentions toolshed.net

http://www.googlism.com/when_is/p/planet_x/


When you really think about it, even the stuff the dude from Nasa says on Lateralus could add up.

Has anybody else read this stuff? I found it didn't really establish any connection with Tool. If anyone found any relevance in these articles, would they care to explain. And apparently, planet x would have passed by Earth in 2003, possibly killing all of us... :rolleyes:

[Kage]

The reason I actually ended up getting Lateralus is because I had a coupon for 25% off one item, and both Lateralus and Aenima were 19 bucks, but I decided to get Lateralus. I wouldn't have bought it if I didn't have the coupon. 19 dollars for a CD is perposterous.


:lol: CD prices are getting out of hand, I hardly ever buy CDs from a store anymore, I've switched to Amazon and if not there then Best Buy.

[Druumer89]

Has anybody else read this stuff? I found it didn't really establish any connection with Tool. If anyone found any relevance in these articles, would they care to explain. And apparently, planet x would have passed by Earth in 2003, possibly killing all of us... :rolleyes:

i find it pretty much irrelevant to tool....could some one please explain how it all ties togeather. thanks :thumb:

[9 sides]

Why dont you just buy it used? You could probably get one in great condition for $5 at ebay. I dont really understand buying cds retail (unless its a brand new release you cant get anywhere else).
sorry, just my pointless rant...

[9 sides]

I was on another forum and someone said their was a clip to "L.K." on a site. I asked for the link so if he isnt bull****, then I'll post it here.

[ANewHope]

Has anybody else read this stuff? I found it didn't really establish any connection with Tool. If anyone found any relevance in these articles, would they care to explain. And apparently, planet x would have passed by Earth in 2003, possibly killing all of us... :rolleyes:



It ties into Lateralus and the "secret order". Just listen to the lyrics and read I think you might understand if you have a open mind. If not well then you dont see it.

[ANewHope]

For the first time in my life I understand something, but it is too complicated to explain to others.

[G_Mac07]

It ties into Lateralus and the "secret order". Just listen to the lyrics and read I think you might understand if you have a open mind. If not well then you dont see it.

After reading for a bit, I assumed that must have been what you were getting at. Unfortunately for me, I still didn't see any strong connection with Lateralus.

[Werny]

I first heard Tool when someone lent me Aenima. I despised it, and Undertow, for ages, I forget why, they just didn't excite me at all. And then I read some of their lyrics, and suddenly they blew my mind every time I heard them.

I'm going to theorise on one song shortly, and then a more comprehensive one.

1. Prison Sex Film Clip

Basically, I think the video clip is a perfect interpretation, to me this song is about over-protection. The big lanky chap takes care of the little guy and loves him to death so much that he wants to be like him. So he takes off that eye-piece thingy for himself.
Here's a big theory: I think it's a continuous cycle. The little dude did the same to the caterpillar fella (he used to be a skinny prick), reducing him to a little worm. That's why he's kept in a drawer. So he was obsessed so became completely like him, down to the face. Then another robotic prick comes along and takes over HIS life and becomes like him.
This is supported by lines like "your breathing so I guess you're still alive."

An even more radical theory: The whole thing is an experiment. Hence the Prison Sex, and the doll-like nature of the little guys and the robotic nature of the lanky guys. Some guy has created this guys and observing a cycle, a food chain if you will.

That's called being over-analytical, people.

2. 4 Degrees

This song probably hasn't been discussed, since it's not very popular, but it's my third fave Tool tune so I'm going to go into the lyrics.

Get up
Get up now
Get up
Get up now
Get up
Get up now
Get up
Get up now

Along with Maynard's voice, this part is very forced, this is something positive for the subject, but he really really wants it to happen.

Free yourself
From yourself
Free yourself
From yourself

Already we establish that whatever is going to happen, the subject is very reluctant about it.

Locked up inside you
Like the calm beneath castles
A cavern of treasures
No one has been to

Maynard really loves the person, hence the "calm beneath the castles" and "cavern of treasures". I get the feeling that he's telling the subject that he/she has a great gift locked up inside it, a talent.

Let's go digging
Let's go digging
Bring it out and
Take it back in

Like most lyrics in the song, this passage has a sexual allure to it, like he's trying to seduce someone. That was my first impression of the song, but I know Maynard would never write about that, so I figured it means something more, that's why I'm doing this.
So, the "let's go digging" tells us that this is a talent that Maynard can help him/her with. The "bring it out and take it back in" suggests that this is something that if he/she does this, they will be able to benefit and learn from it, or enjoy it greatly. Painting, perhaps?

You won't do what you'd like to do
Lay back and let me show you another way

WWOOOH! Sorry, I'm listening to the piano-like start of Lateralus.
Now, this affirms the subject's reluctancy. The second line suggests that Maynard has seen potential, and wants the subject to listen to his suggestions to improve upon it.

I'll kill what you want me to
Take what's left and eat it
Take all or nothing
Life's just too short to push it away

This is your chance to do something, this is a golden opportunity, get out of your hole and spread your wings. Maynard can't STAND to see him/her down in the dumps, hence the bribing. The "take what's left and eat it" means he'll do ANYTHING.

Knock me down
I'll just come back running
Knock you down
It won't be long now

Again, Maynard is desperate. The "knock you down, it won't be long now" suggests that this may involve pain, there's risks.

All the way in
All the way in
All the way in
All the way in
Way in

We can't be half-assed about this, we need to give it all we've got.

Take it all
Take it all higher
Four degrees now
Four degrees warmer

The subject is beginning to warm up to the idea, the situation is getting better.

Give in now
Give in now
Let me in

That's goooood, let's continue, we're too far to quit.

You'll like this
This brings us higher
You'll like this

It brings us closer than
Dying and
Cancer and
Crying

Good choice, it'll be worth all of the pain. The person has subdued/surrendered.

---

Now, when I go back over all of this, I realise that this song is obviously about not one person, but the human race. Don't be afraid to let loose and unleash your talents upon the world, you've got nothing to lose. This will make you comfortable and make you feel like a significant portion of Earth's population (it brings us closer then dying and cancer and crying).

Wooh. Hopefully I've done something for someone out there (and I hope someone could be bothered reading that!).

[jamesclelland]

i love 4 degrees. i am currently learning it on guitar, but that solo is tricky, jones doesn't usually use four finger solos, so i'm having problems with that, but i love the intro and chorus.

[clearvision]

Really, as I said above, I find this one-upmanship about who's the most proper form of tool fan a bit pointless...
i know i'm a cranky old bitch, but i'm so sick of reading these debates...

SFK, is holy blood & the holy grail good? I'll have to check it out...
I just started one of the other books on the tool reading list, the wasp factory - its fiction by Iain Banks, quite good...only near the start but so far i'd recommend it to all toolheads..

SFK, or anyone for that matter, have you read the Da Vinci Code?
In yesty's paper there was an article that the publishers of holy blood are suing the publishers of Da Vinci code because of similar ideas.
I haven't read either so I can't comment, but be interested to hear your opinions...

Sorry to bump an old post, has anyone read both of these books?

I finally persuaded my mum to buy the da vinci code, I ate it up within 2 days and was always 2 steps ahead of the plot. Is the da vinci code mainly fiction, and the holy grail book delivers the 'truth' as it were. There is areference to holy grail in the da vinci code, i found the da vinci code fascinating, but would rather focus in on the rennes le chateau mystery that has gripped danny.

If i buy holy grail will i be reading more-or-less whats in the da vinci code? without the plot line. Or is there another book i should maybe read? Opinions? I have read what is on Carey's site and would like to read up on this further :) thanks.

[Sleeper]

What affect or guitar did adam use for the begining of 4 degrees?

[Adam Jones is GOD]

What affect or guitar did adam use for the begining of 4 degrees?

We came to the conclusion some time ago that it was played on a sitar, or some other obscure stringed instrument. It was possibly played by MJK as well, as he plays some interesting instruments

[Druumer89]

hey is it just me...but on the salival version of 3rd eye..when it says in..out..in..out..in..out im pretty sure it just says in..in..in..in

[Druumer89]

has anyone else noticed this?

[Elz`Guitar`]

Merkaba is so trippy.

[G_Mac07]

I would be interested in reading the books clearvision just mentioned. Can anyone tell me where to start? Also, I while back on Toolband I saw in the books section, something titled along the lines of "Everything in this book is a lie, but it's exactly how things are". I'm not sure if this is the exact title of it, but I tried to order it in my town and the bookshop said they couldn't find it. I know SonorKen has read it, I've seen him mention it before. Can any give me some details on the Book? like the Author/Publisher etc. Thanks :)

[BurtonChancellor]

The author of the book is a man named Bob Frissel G_Mac, but I haven't really had any more luck finding the book around where I live. The bookstores I've been to have told me that they don't have it in stock, and that it's also out of publication.

The only place where I can seem to find any copies are amazon.com, where there are a bunch of used copies for sale. Haven't decided yet whether or not I'll go for that, though.

[Werny]

I just read last night on toolshed.down.net that some Blair guy went to a recording session, and all he found out was that the first song is called LK (subject to change) and it's obviously pretty fast, because the guy thought it was 15 minutes long and Adam said it was more like 18.

Wooh major Tool binge.

[clearvision]

Amazon.com is the place to get the metaphysics book...The book is only on the american version of the site though :(

[Sleeper]

We came to the conclusion some time ago that it was played on a sitar, or some other obscure stringed instrument. It was possibly played by MJK as well, as he plays some interesting instruments
Sitar sounds right.

[jamesclelland]

What affect or guitar did adam use for the begining of 4 degrees?

i cant afford what he was using, but i just pick right against the bridge. sounds ok.
what i do need is a whammy bar, i really want to get the intro to prison sex down.

[Daven]

how is the new cd calling?

[Werny]

how is the new cd calling?

What you said makes no sense, but I can try.

Either:
1) Except for the band, no one knows what the CD is called.

2) They're in studio now, so it's obviously going very well, at least now we know for sure it's coming out this year.

[Faaip_de_Oiad]

Cant wait for the new cd. It will be awesome. So who here has listened to Tool on acid. I listened to Salival and Lateralus the other night whilst tripping and it was one of the greatest musical experiences of my life. I recommend it if you are into that stuff ;)

[jensmatty]

Does anyone else think that maybe H. and Forty six & 2 could be linked? coz they're linked on the album more or less through "useful idiot". any thoughts?

Edit:
Also, I think Die Eir Von Satan could be giving the message that not everything appears as it is, since it sounds like some kind of cult following but it's actually just a recipe... anyone agree?

[jamesclelland]

3 and 5 might be linked, but i don't think so, i hear two different messages in them, but your theory on Die Eir Von Satan could possibly be the best i've heard yet.

I think there is more of link in eulogy and H than H and 46 & 2. I could go into detail, but i'm too lazy. if you really want to know i'll type it, but as of now, no way, to tired.

[jensmatty]

lol yea, Im not sure bout the H./Forty Six & 2 thing... but there might be some kind of lyrical link somewhere...

[Sleeper]

i cant afford what he was using, but i just pick right against the bridge. sounds ok.
what i do need is a whammy bar, i really want to get the intro to prison sex down.
Thats a cool idea

[9 sides]

I dont have time to give my complete thoughts on the subject but I doubt very much that H and 46 & 2 are linked (not deliberately, at least). There is some continuity with snake imagery, metamorphosis, etc. but I'd chalk it up to coincidence rather than a deliberate connection.

Your "theory" on Die Eier von Satan is not really much of a theory I'd encourage you to think about more and then give your thoughts. The idea that "not everything appears as it is" could be applied to just about any Tool song.

[jensmatty]

Your "theory" on Die Eier von Satan is not really much of a theory
I never said it was a theory, I said it was a thought. and a small one at that.

[Street Spirit (Fade Out)]

Anyone know why in the APC videos in eMOTION they don't show maynards face?

[9 sides]

My mistake, I apologize.

[jensmatty]

My mistake, I apologize.
Thats fine it was a fair call.

Anyone know why in the APC videos in eMOTION they don't show maynards face?
I dont think he likes appearing in video clips, He's only ever been shown properly in one I think. Hush by tool.

[Werny]

I think Die Eier Von Satan is the 665/667 of Tool, so yeah I think they did it to make fun of the notion that they're satanic.

[Adam Jones is GOD]

Thats fine it was a fair call.


I dont think he likes appearing in video clips, He's only ever been shown properly in one I think. Hush by tool.

3 Libras he's shown in all his glory.

(possibly cos he's surrounded by lots of lurverly ladies at one point).