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Apocalyptic Raids
11-07-2005, 04:20 AM
MD. 45's album is called The Craving.
superdigg
11-07-2005, 04:20 AM
oh k then thanks
does anyone no what the album was called
it's called the Craving.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002EXH68/qid=1131358793/sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-3507774-9044057?v=glance&s=music&n=507846
or http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000006JO9/qid=1131358793/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-3507774-9044057?v=glance&s=music&n=507846 for the original, un-remastered, apparently discontinued version.
EDIT: beaten :upset: but i have links!
Apocalyptic Raids
11-07-2005, 04:21 AM
Beaten superdigg :D
.:Thrasher:.
11-07-2005, 04:32 AM
thanks guys
ill check it out
metalmilitia101
11-07-2005, 10:07 AM
do you all like the song of mice and men? recently i have just been awed by it. great harmonies and riffs
Happy
11-07-2005, 10:10 AM
:eek: I need the remastered version with dave's singing
lightningmetal666
11-07-2005, 02:23 PM
:eek: I need the remastered version with dave's singing
Hey Happy, didn't you get the studio version that I sent you a while ago?
I've only had his new cd for like 9 months.
Father_Jack
11-07-2005, 02:44 PM
do you all like the song of mice and men? recently i have just been awed by it. great harmonies and riffs
Just listening now.
Yeah the song rules. It reminds me a little of Addicted to Chaos (which also rules) because they both have that slow, sad feel but are still heavy. Top class song :thumb:
Britton
11-07-2005, 04:03 PM
So slayer thread what's up?
Anything new in the world of Slayer?
RustedPieces
11-07-2005, 05:27 PM
So slayer thread what's up?
Anything new in the world of Slayer?
:confused: I think you are mistaken.
lightningmetal666
11-07-2005, 05:29 PM
:confused: I think you are mistaken.
Britton, this is the Megadeth thread.:lol:
Anyways, what's new in the world of MEGADETH?
.:Thrasher:.
11-08-2005, 02:49 AM
So slayer thread what's up?
Anything new in the world of Slayer?
dont worri dude i made that mistake before
what is with the red writing each time someone says megadeth:confused:
Apocalyptic Raids
11-08-2005, 02:54 AM
So slayer thread what's up?
Anything new in the world of Slayer?
Sadly, that's not a hard mistake to make these days...
Britton
11-08-2005, 03:03 AM
OMG I'm a complete idiot! lol
ever since I got my permit and jacked up mt sleeping scheldule I've
been out of it. I've yawned so much sense last tuesday that my jaw hurts!
Sorry
any thing new with MegaDeth?
.:Thrasher:.
11-08-2005, 03:06 AM
OMG I'm a complete idiot! lol
ever since I got my permit and jacked up mt sleeping scheldule I've
been out of it. I've yawned so much sense last tuesday that my jaw hurts!
Sorry
any thing new with MegaDeth?
i forgive ya lol
no not really, maybe a few new stuff about megadeth
Britton
11-08-2005, 03:08 AM
Cool. I'm really in love with RIP at the moment
Mother
11-08-2005, 03:51 AM
So, Is MegaDeth coming up with a new album soon?
Just wondering.
Apocalyptic Raids
11-08-2005, 04:29 AM
I would guess next year at the earliest.
superdigg
11-08-2005, 06:17 AM
So, Is MegaDeth coming up with a new album soon?
Just wondering.
dave announced that they'd be working on one, but he hasn't set a date. yeah, it's not gonna be this year, have they even stopped touring yet? i dunno.
unnecessary italics are great
MAthiAS
11-08-2005, 10:32 AM
ever since I got my permit and jacked up mt sleeping scheldule I've
been out of it. I've yawned so much sense last tuesday that my jaw hurts!
Permit huh? I just took my written test yesterday. I really think I failed though.
Happy
11-08-2005, 11:03 AM
Hey Happy, didn't you get the studio version that I sent you a while ago?
I've only had his new cd for like 9 months.
..no.
Are you sure you sent it to me?
lightningmetal666
11-08-2005, 12:49 PM
..no.
Are you sure you sent it to me?
Oops, then I guess I sent it to someone else. I don't have time to do it today because of work but I'll have some free time tomorrow to hook you up.
I just need you to repeat your email address for me. Thanx.
marc man
11-08-2005, 01:25 PM
what megadeth cd has came out, was it the one 'The world needs a hero'?
lightningmetal666
11-08-2005, 01:27 PM
what megadeth cd has came out, was it the one 'we need a hero'?
No, were talking about his last album The System Has Failed.
At least that was the one I was talking about.
marc man
11-08-2005, 01:29 PM
No, were talking about his last album The System Has Failed.
At least that was the one I was talking about.
i got that one. i like blakmail the univers the best. my kindom comes next and kcik the chair (i think) comes in thrid.
Father_Jack
11-08-2005, 01:30 PM
i got that one. i like blakmail the univers the best. my kindom comes next and kcik the chair (i think) comes in thrid.
Im really feeling Of Mice and Men at the moment. And the scorpion.
Happy
11-08-2005, 01:31 PM
Oops, then I guess I sent it to someone else. I don't have time to do it today because of work but I'll have some free time tomorrow to hook you up.
I just need you to repeat your email address for me. Thanx.
Oh cool thanks :)
Jevgenji_hershplinikov@hotmail.co.uk
cheers man.
marc man
11-08-2005, 01:32 PM
Im really feeling Of Mice and Men at the moment. And the scorpion.
there good as well.
Happy
11-08-2005, 01:37 PM
The scorpion's chorus is awesome
"as I climb up on your back, I will promise not to sting"
Wait, these are the right words?
Father_Jack
11-08-2005, 01:41 PM
The scorpion's chorus is awesome
"as I climb up on your back, I will promise not to sting"
Wait, these are the right words?
yes they are
"....i will tell you what you want to hear, and not mean anything..."
I think those are em.
Happy
11-08-2005, 01:43 PM
It's just a great song. at first i didn't liek it but it grows on you.
marc man
11-08-2005, 02:06 PM
yes they are
"....i will tell you what you want to hear, and not mean anything..."
I think those are em.
and then i'll treat you like a doll, and shot my fellow man,
Liquid Fantasy
11-08-2005, 02:09 PM
i started lisening to Megadeth like two months ago and i love their songs! personally my favorite is Blackmail the Universe.
Happy
11-08-2005, 02:10 PM
i started lisening to Megadeth like two months ago and i love their songs! personally my favorite is Blackmail the Universe.
Good on you! they're a brilliant band.
marc man
11-08-2005, 02:11 PM
i started lisening to Megadeth like two months ago and i love their songs! personally my favorite is Blackmail the Universe.
yeh theres anythere one!:thumb:
marc man
11-08-2005, 02:17 PM
does anyone there song 'when'?
Happy
11-08-2005, 02:31 PM
does anyone there song 'when'?
what about it?
I like it but it goes on.
RustedPieces
11-08-2005, 02:40 PM
and then i'll treat you like a doll, and shot my fellow man,
He actually says "And then I'll treat you like a dog, as I shoot my venom in".
Father_Jack
11-08-2005, 03:23 PM
Does anyone have any live audio of megadeth that isn't rude awakenings and is of pretty good quality?
Apocalypticon
11-08-2005, 04:14 PM
I just got into megadeth in september and I've got the first 5 albums. i was wondering wich one i should get next? any suggestions
Father_Jack
11-08-2005, 04:15 PM
I just got into megadeth in september and I've got the first 5 albums. i was wondering wich one i should get next? any suggestions
I'd say either the Live Album Rude Awakening coz it rocks or The System Has Failed, for the same reason.
Vortigon
11-08-2005, 04:20 PM
There's a live acoustic show floating around on slsk, to the guy who asked. I've only heard Almost Honest from it, but its good. Not amazing quality but adequate.
Apocalypticon
11-08-2005, 04:26 PM
I'd say either the Live Album Rude Awakening coz it rocks or The System Has Failed, for the same reason.
thanks, I've heard their stuff from the mid 90's is kinda toned down in terms of technical aspects and the sonwriting so do u think its still worth getting
warchief
11-08-2005, 05:34 PM
thanks, I've heard their stuff from the mid 90's is kinda toned down in terms of technical aspects and the sonwriting so do u think its still worth getting
yes
Happy
11-09-2005, 01:57 AM
Does anyone have any live audio of megadeth that isn't rude awakenings and is of pretty good quality?
Uhh I have the second part of Woodstock '99 but it's a huge file.
Apocalyptic Raids
11-09-2005, 02:00 AM
I've seen their performance of Symphony Of Destruction from that gig. That's it.
Epicurus
11-09-2005, 04:27 AM
thanks, I've heard their stuff from the mid 90's is kinda toned down in terms of technical aspects and the sonwriting so do u think its still worth getting
Yeah its still great.
Son of Northern Darkness
11-09-2005, 05:30 AM
I Love Megadeth So much, I just don't like what Dave Mustaine has become..... How can you refuse to perform alongside an amazing act like Dissection!!?? Maybe he knows that Dissection whips the Megadeth of the moment! Nonetheless, I wouldn't be the same person if it wasn't for Rust in Peace, Countdown to Extinction and Peace sells.....
.:Thrasher:.
11-09-2005, 06:36 AM
the songs that affected me were holy wars, peace sells, rust in peace and the list goes on
Happy
11-09-2005, 10:24 AM
I Love Megadeth So much, I just don't like what Dave Mustaine has become..... How can you refuse to perform alongside an amazing act like Dissection!!?? Maybe he knows that Dissection whips the Megadeth of the moment! Nonetheless, I wouldn't be the same person if it wasn't for Rust in Peace, Countdown to Extinction and Peace sells.....
He refused because he loves God.
marc man
11-09-2005, 11:01 AM
He actually says "And then I'll treat you like a dog, as I shoot my venom in".
man i was off:upset:
Happy
11-09-2005, 11:29 AM
man i was off:upset:
I make up words too.
metalmilitia101
11-09-2005, 11:50 AM
the songs that affected me were holy wars, peace sells, rust in peace and the list goes on
of mice and men affected me the most
Happy
11-09-2005, 11:54 AM
Take No Prisoners affected me in the good way.
Britton
11-09-2005, 02:13 PM
Like you've all heard me say before. Holy Wars is incredible
Son of Northern Darkness
11-09-2005, 02:16 PM
He refused because he loves God.
And I refuse to take you sreiously because I believe you are a Douche
RustedPieces
11-09-2005, 02:41 PM
My Last Words has really grown on me lately, I never realized how good that song is.
Father_Jack
11-09-2005, 03:19 PM
And I refuse to take you sreiously because I believe you are a Douche
He is being serious I think. I remember he refused to played along some band because they had some "anti-god" lyrics in them, and as we know Dave is a new born Christian. That's why he won't play some of his own Anti-god songs live anymore (i think)
Son of Northern Darkness
11-09-2005, 03:27 PM
He is being serious I think. I remember he refused to played along some band because they had some "anti-god" lyrics in them, and as we know Dave is a new born Christian. That's why he won't play some of his own Anti-god songs live anymore (i think)
Yeah that's 100% correct - what you're saying... But I think it's absolutely pathetic of him! Come on! I've got NO problem with him being a Christian... but if he's such a strong Christian, then he wouldn't mind playing alongside such great bands....So what, doesn't he walk on the same side of the road as Muslims?!!
Father_Jack
11-09-2005, 03:30 PM
Yeah that's 100% correct - what you're saying... But I think it's absolutely pathetic of him! Come on! I've got NO problem with him being a Christian... but if he's such a strong Christian, then he wouldn't mind playing alongside such great bands....So what, doesn't he walk on the same side of the road as Muslims?!!
Yeah I thought it was kinda petty. I mean its like one step before forced religion. He can't force others to be Christian. But whatever, it would only really bother me if it happened at a gig i was at.
Son of Northern Darkness
11-09-2005, 03:32 PM
Yeah I thought it was kinda petty. I mean its like one step before forced religion. He can't force others to be Christian. But whatever, it would only really bother me if it happened at a gig i was at.
I guess... I think what infuriates me is the way I thought he was SOOO cool! He was one of my heroes! And now....... well....it breaks me to say this....but now he's just a.... a big DOUCHE!!!
heavy metal kid
11-09-2005, 03:38 PM
My Last Words has really grown on me lately, I never realized how good that song is.
That's my favorite Megadeth's song, i just love the basslines.
Happy
11-09-2005, 04:31 PM
I guess... I think what infuriates me is the way I thought he was SOOO cool! He was one of my heroes! And now....... well....it breaks me to say this....but now he's just a.... a big DOUCHE!!!
I still think he's awesome. So what if he doesn't play a couple of songs any more? He's still the awesome singer/guitarist that wrote all those songs.
metalmilitia101
11-09-2005, 09:50 PM
yeah, it doesn't change who he is. i will love dave mustaine til the end of time, even if he totally screws something up later in life, which i doubt he will. its his early legacy that makes him great.
Apocalyptic Raids
11-09-2005, 10:16 PM
I guess... I think what infuriates me is the way I thought he was SOOO cool! He was one of my heroes! And now....... well....it breaks me to say this....but now he's just a.... a big DOUCHE!!!
no u r
.:Thrasher:.
11-09-2005, 11:04 PM
I guess... I think what infuriates me is the way I thought he was SOOO cool! He was one of my heroes! And now....... well....it breaks me to say this....but now he's just a.... a big DOUCHE!!!
can you do what he does?:angry:
NO YOU CANT:evil:
Britton
11-09-2005, 11:06 PM
can you do what he does?:angry:
NO YOU CANT:evil:
Owned!
Apocalyptic Raids
11-09-2005, 11:10 PM
hardly.
Son of Northern Darkness
11-10-2005, 05:45 AM
can you do what he does?:angry:
NO YOU CANT:evil:
Can he still do what he did? NO he can't....:evil:
I really respect him as a Musician but to diss a band like Dissection on Religious grounds! PLEASE! If he was really such a Strong born again Christian then he wouldn't be phased by it! That is SO Petty! It's pathetic! Born again Christians are like ex-smokers! They're ****ing unbearable! They trie to force their views down on other people and make such a bigg fuss all the time! It's about the music man!
Anyhoo....The System has failed wasn't that good anyway.
I can whine as much as I want to but he is still the Man who brought us Rust in Peace and Peace Sells.... So he will always be a legend. And I 'll try to remember him from that era....as the Awesome Dave Mustaine that kicked ***!He might as well be dead to me at the moment, but I'll remember him as my hero....Something I can't say for Metallica.
There. I've said my say, tear me apart, do what you will but that's my opinion.
Amen
.:Thrasher:.
11-10-2005, 05:56 AM
Can he still do what he did? NO he can't....:evil:
I really respect him as a Musician but to diss a band like Dissection on Religious grounds! PLEASE! If he was really such a Strong born again Christian then he wouldn't be phased by it! That is SO Petty! It's pathetic! Born again Christians are like ex-smokers! They're ****ing unbearable! They trie to force their views down on other people and make such a bigg fuss all the time! It's about the music man!
Anyhoo....The System has failed wasn't that good anyway.
I can whine as much as I want to but he is still the Man who brought us Rust in Peace and Peace Sells.... So he will always be a legend. And I 'll try to remember him from that era....as the Awesome Dave Mustaine that kicked ***!He might as well be dead to me at the moment, but I'll remember him as my hero....Something I can't say for Metallica.
There. I've said my say, tear me apart, do what you will but that's my opinion.
Amen
yes he still can do what he does best but he is trying new stuff
i see that you really dont like there new era
Son of Northern Darkness
11-10-2005, 08:16 AM
yes he still can do what he does best but he is trying new stuff
i see that you really dont like there new era
You're right, I really don't..... I LOVE Peace Sells, Killing is my Business..., Rust in Peace, Countdown to Extinction, So far so good so what, and Cryptic writings and Youthanasia are OK too.... I can sort of stomach The World Needs a Hero but Risk....... The less said, the better.
Happy
11-10-2005, 02:32 PM
I'm yet to get Risk. Is it really that bad?
Aw3someman
11-10-2005, 03:33 PM
Is Mustaine out for good? or is he just out until his arm heals? I heard that he hurt his arm and i was just wondering if he's still able to play
vashts80
11-10-2005, 03:58 PM
ehm, he's been able to play since early 2004 I believe, if he ever had that arm injury in the first place
MAthiAS
11-10-2005, 04:16 PM
Is Mustaine out for good? or is he just out until his arm heals? I heard that he hurt his arm and i was just wondering if he's still able to play
You must be pretty pale living under that rock my friend.
firemoth12
11-10-2005, 04:31 PM
89.5 WSOU a pretty popular college radio station in New Jersey has megadeth as Artist of the Week. The give little tidbits of news about those bands sometimes, and today they said Megadeth are in pre-production on their new album.
Anybody else heard about it?
RustedPieces
11-10-2005, 05:13 PM
89.5 WSOU a pretty popular college radio station in New Jersey has megadeth as Artist of the Week. The give little tidbits of news about those bands sometimes, and today they said Megadeth are in pre-production on their new album.
Anybody else heard about it?
Can't say I have.
lightningmetal666
11-10-2005, 07:36 PM
You're right, I really don't..... I LOVE Peace Sells, Killing is my Business..., Rust in Peace, Countdown to Extinction, So far so good so what, and Cryptic writings and Youthanasia are OK too.... I can sort of stomach The World Needs a Hero but Risk....... The less said, the better.
You don't like TSHF?
That's one of their best albums IMO. May not be the most intense grinding thrash but IMO it has as much attitude in it as his early stuff.
Five Magics
11-10-2005, 10:00 PM
The System Has Failed is such a great album, it has a bit of every album in it
Bazarov
11-10-2005, 10:03 PM
TSHF I liked, but some songs like Something that I'm Not, I didn't care for.
My favorite song on TSHF is Kick The Chair.
metalmilitia101
11-10-2005, 10:07 PM
yeah, i don't see how people with any liking for megadeth dislike tshf, i think it's a wonderful album. and kick the chair is probably my favorite too, i belieeeeve it was the first megadeth song i heard, can't relaly remember though
FlyingPaul_83
11-10-2005, 11:22 PM
Blackmail the universe is the best song IMO.
I lust for a DV-8
.:Thrasher:.
11-11-2005, 07:30 AM
k
i bought SKOM(metallica) and you know how dave and lars have an emotional convo
well anyways i went to the speacial features and and got the whole convo between them
IMO dave looks like he is the about to cry but is holding it in and lars looks like he is gonna cry
but i guess its sad on both on them
metalmilitia101
11-11-2005, 09:45 AM
yeah it's really moody, that part makes me sad, everyone is so earnest lol
Happy
11-11-2005, 10:10 AM
Blackmail the universe is the best song IMO.
I lust for a DV-8
I want one but it has to have TSHF artwork on it, I don't like the look of the plain coloured ones.
Britton
11-11-2005, 10:31 AM
k
i bought SKOM(metallica) and you know how dave and lars have an emotional convo
well anyways i went to the speacial features and and got the whole convo between them
IMO dave looks like he is the about to cry but is holding it in and lars looks like he is gonna cry
but i guess its sad on both on them
I laughed the first time I saw that
Son of Northern Darkness
11-11-2005, 10:57 AM
yeah, i don't see how people with any liking for megadeth dislike tshf, i think it's a wonderful album. and kick the chair is probably my favorite too, i belieeeeve it was the first megadeth song i heard, can't relaly remember though
The first Megadeth song you heard!!?? Jezuz, you guys are a bunch of kids....
Neoteric
11-11-2005, 11:39 AM
TSHF I liked, but some songs like Something that I'm Not, I didn't care for.
My favorite song on TSHF is Kick The Chair.
I don't like Kick the Chair, does that mean I won't like the rest of the album?
Mazeppa
11-11-2005, 11:43 AM
I don't like Kick the Chair, does that mean I won't like the rest of the album?
I would say you probably wont. People may beg to differ, but that album does have pretty much the same feel throughout. I enjoyed the songs from that album live, but I don't play the cd.
metalmilitia101
11-11-2005, 11:49 AM
The first Megadeth song you heard!!?? Jezuz, you guys are a bunch of kids....
yes i am a kid...:thumb:
Happy
11-11-2005, 11:50 AM
I would say you probably wont. People may beg to differ, but that album does have pretty much the same feel throughout. I enjoyed the songs from that album live, but I don't play the cd.
Same here, the only one I do play is BTU.
MAthiAS
11-11-2005, 09:43 PM
Why don't people praise The Disintegrators more? This is one hell of a song. Man I wish they had continued with the CW style on Risk.
vashts80
11-11-2005, 09:51 PM
k
i bought SKOM(metallica) and you know how dave and lars have an emotional convo
well anyways i went to the speacial features and and got the whole convo between them
IMO dave looks like he is the about to cry but is holding it in and lars looks like he is gonna cry
but i guess its sad on both on them
That's nowhere NEAR the "whole convo" between Mustaine and Ulrich. They talked for close to 3 hours, and Lars was in tears by the end of it.
Happy
11-12-2005, 06:27 AM
But because it's a Metallica documentary they can't make Lars look bad.
Epicurus
11-12-2005, 06:51 AM
But because it's a Metallica documentary they can't make Lars look bad.
lol obviously
MAthiAS
11-12-2005, 10:30 AM
But because it's a Metallica documentary they can't make Lars look bad.
Lars doesn't need any help.
Happy
11-12-2005, 10:31 AM
Lars doesn't need any help.
What, to look bad?
MAthiAS
11-12-2005, 10:32 AM
Ya.
Happy
11-12-2005, 10:36 AM
'Spose. All he's gotta do is play the drums.
MAthiAS
11-12-2005, 10:40 AM
*Exist.
Happy
11-12-2005, 10:50 AM
*Exist.
Good point.
marc man
11-12-2005, 02:19 PM
black-mail the unsiver of its greatest equilties, waken no sleeping gaint in something or other....
Aw3someman
11-12-2005, 02:28 PM
'Spose. All he's gotta do is play the drums.
haha niice. I really don't care for mustaine's feud w/ Ulrich and Hetfield. I like Megadeth's music and i like Metallica's music. Screw their personal life. Why should anyone care? It's not like it's affecting you
marc man
11-12-2005, 03:15 PM
haha niice. I really don't care for mustaine's feud w/ Ulrich and Hetfield. I like Megadeth's music and i like Metallica's music. Screw their personal life. Why should anyone care? It's not like it's affecting you
right on! did the megadeth front guitarist no go and play with Metallica for a while?
Aw3someman
11-12-2005, 07:28 PM
i think they toured together once... not sure about that. i have heard a mega/metallic song called Hunger. surprised it didn't end in a stage fight if they did.
Freezing Moon
11-12-2005, 07:29 PM
i think they toured together once... not sure about that. i have heard a mega/metallic song called Hunger. surprised it didn't end in a stage fight if they did.
Hunger is not by Megadeth and Metallica, it is some mis-labeled crap on limewire and similar file sharing networks.
.:Thrasher:.
11-13-2005, 02:34 AM
^ i hate the people that edit them songs
/sticking knife out
lol
ThrashMaster27
11-13-2005, 02:45 AM
i think they toured together once... not sure about that. i have heard a mega/metallic song called Hunger. surprised it didn't end in a stage fight if they did.
They did a few shows together in 1993.
Grimm
11-13-2005, 03:55 AM
I listened to that hunger song.doesn't sound like either metallica or megadeth vocals.but whoever did do it, the song is definately good.
Happy
11-13-2005, 06:41 AM
It did sound like Hetfield to me, but it's some totally different band, I remember someone telling me about it but the name of the band escapes me.
RustedPieces
11-13-2005, 09:04 AM
They did a few shows together in 1993.
Yeah, was that when they went on tour with I think it was Slayer, Anthrax and Exodus?
The Flabbit Rides High
11-13-2005, 09:47 AM
I bought Rust In Peace (remasterd) yesterday.
Man, im so proud of myself. My favourite songs are Hangar 18 and 5 Magics.
The solo's are sooo great. :)
Aw3someman
11-13-2005, 09:49 AM
Way to be on topic.:thumb:
but yeah they are great.
The Flabbit Rides High
11-13-2005, 09:51 AM
Way to be on topic.:thumb:
but yeah they are great.
No, you misunderstood me. I have all their music but I physically own the cd now. Im planning on filling it out as time goes on.
marc man
11-13-2005, 10:16 AM
They did a few shows together in 1993.
wow, i was like two years old then.
Happy
11-13-2005, 10:32 AM
I bought Rust In Peace (remasterd) yesterday.
Man, im so proud of myself. My favourite songs are Hangar 18 and 5 Magics.
The solo's are sooo great. :)
Uh-oh, don't say that near Mathias. he hates the re-mastered version of Five Magics.
marc man
11-13-2005, 10:38 AM
lol, even though i have only known Mathias for like a week he sounds kewl:amaze:
The Flabbit Rides High
11-13-2005, 11:34 AM
Uh-oh, don't say that near Mathias. he hates the re-mastered version of Five Magics.
Well they didnt have the original and I live in South Africa.
What was I supposed to do?:upset:
Happy
11-13-2005, 11:39 AM
Well they didnt have the original and I live in South Africa.
What was I supposed to do?:upset:
Oh well, it doesn't matter.
RustedPieces
11-13-2005, 12:40 PM
Well they didnt have the original and I live in South Africa.
What was I supposed to do?:upset:
It's hard enough for me to find the re-mastered around here.
clairvoyant
11-13-2005, 12:47 PM
Original RiP > remaster imo
Happy
11-13-2005, 12:51 PM
It's hard enough for me to find the re-mastered around here.
Buy online. it's what I did.
RustedPieces
11-13-2005, 12:54 PM
Original RiP > remaster imo
Yeah for sure.
M-A-T-T
11-13-2005, 02:58 PM
Hangar 18 is probably my favorite song by them. I atcually learned most of the rythm guitar's part on keyboard, while my friend handles the solos on a real guitar
Metalhead1409
11-13-2005, 04:45 PM
Hunger is not by Megadeth and Metallica, it is some mis-labeled crap on limewire and similar file sharing networks.
I saw that and another song called Buried Alive. I said it was by Megadeth and Metallica but it turned out to be a song by Merciful Fate
vashts80
11-13-2005, 05:01 PM
Original RiP > remaster imo
I heard some of the tracks off the original RiP and the soundquality is horrible imo. Even if Mustaine butchered Five Magics and TNP (he redid some of the vocals on both of them, right?), the sound quality of the remaster rapes the quality of the original so it's worth it IMO
RustedPieces
11-13-2005, 05:15 PM
I just realized that Megadeth has some amazing choruses. Like in The Scorpian, Trust, Peace Sells, I love the chorus for Reckoning Day. Usually I think that their choruses are better than their verses. Except of course in songs like Holy Wars when there is no chorus.
Apocalyptic Raids
11-13-2005, 05:17 PM
Megadeth and choruses should not be mentioned with out recognition of Tornado Of Souls. :D
Half of the songs on Rust In Peace have no chrouses anyway.
RustedPieces
11-13-2005, 05:22 PM
Megadeth and choruses should not be mentioned with out recognition of Tornado Of Souls. :D
Half of the songs on Rust In Peace have no chrouses anyway.
Yeah I was going to say Tornado of Souls but that entire song is amazing anyways.
Apocalyptic Raids
11-13-2005, 05:32 PM
True.
The remasters suck arse. Competely unecessary.
RustedPieces
11-13-2005, 05:43 PM
True.
The remasters suck arse. Competely unecessary.
I wouldn't say unnecessary. They did do a good job on some of the albums, like KIMB.
Apocalyptic Raids
11-13-2005, 05:46 PM
KIMB was done before the Peace Sells, RIP etc ones. It was done earlier because it actually needed it.
RustedPieces
11-13-2005, 05:47 PM
KIMB was done before the Peace Sells, RIP etc ones. It was done earlier because it actually needed it.
Oh I did not know that.
Apocalyptic Raids
11-13-2005, 05:49 PM
Yeah, KIMB was done back in 2002. That's why it doesn't have the same layout on the back cover as the other remasters.
FatalEnergy
11-13-2005, 05:49 PM
KIMB was just remastered, but not totally remixed right?
Apocalyptic Raids
11-13-2005, 05:54 PM
Yeah I think so.
FatalEnergy
11-13-2005, 06:02 PM
Yeah, I have the remastered KIMB, and I think they did a good job remastering that one....except for the "These Boots" cover, but they didn't ruin the music like they did with the rest of the albums. I'm definatley hanging on to my orginals
MAthiAS
11-13-2005, 06:03 PM
SFSGSW needed it, the others were fine though. Just a play for money. They should've just released the extra tracks with Arsenal of Megadeth.
Apocalyptic Raids
11-13-2005, 06:06 PM
Good to see the thread back to its old form.
SFSGSW kinda needed it, but the original one still sounds fine, IMO.
FlyingPaul_83
11-13-2005, 06:09 PM
Good to see the thread back to its old form.
SFSGSW kinda needed it, but the original one still sounds fine, IMO.
old form?
Apocalyptic Raids
11-13-2005, 06:22 PM
This thread has been in decline lately.
Bad noobs.
Britton
11-13-2005, 06:33 PM
This thread has been in decline lately.
Bad noobs.
Well lets get it going man!
So my band might do a cover of Holy Wars
blue3
11-13-2005, 06:57 PM
Awesome song. Are you playing lead guitar?
BannedMonster
11-13-2005, 07:20 PM
SFSGSW needed it, the others were fine though. Just a play for money. They should've just released the extra tracks with Arsenal of Megadeth.
Yeah I agree with this. I really liked some of the extra tracks, like My Creation of Rust in Peace.
Metallion#666
11-13-2005, 07:57 PM
Is 'the Arsenal' out yet? if so, where can i get it?
FlyingPaul_83
11-13-2005, 08:11 PM
Yeah I agree with this. I really liked some of the extra tracks, like My Creation of Rust in Peace.
whoa, why were you banned?
EDIT: Nevermind.
.:Thrasher:.
11-13-2005, 08:53 PM
whoa, why were you banned?
EDIT: Nevermind.
yea im wondering the same thing like i think it was 2 days ago i entered what band i like in the led zeplin vs metallica (which i chose metallica) and lost 17 rep points when everyone else was doing the same
BannedMonster
11-13-2005, 09:05 PM
yea im wondering the same thing like i think it was 2 days ago i entered what band i like in the led zeplin vs metallica (which i chose metallica) and lost 17 rep points when everyone else was doing the same
What the...
//
For anyone who is still wondering, I was banned for trying to get Kittens in Microwaves to leave MX.
MAthiAS
11-13-2005, 09:12 PM
How long you out for?
BannedMonster
11-13-2005, 09:18 PM
How long you out for?
Just today. :)
FlyingPaul_83
11-13-2005, 09:39 PM
What the...
//
For anyone who is still wondering, I was banned for trying to get Kittens in Microwaves to leave MX.
:lol: yeah i saw your postsin the black metal thread.
Why do you guys hate him so much? what did he say in that thread?
metalmilitia101
11-13-2005, 10:05 PM
:lol: yeah i saw your postsin the black metal thread.
Why do you guys hate him so much? what did he say in that thread?
i was wondering the same thing.
i got banned for a day or two as well, lol. i guess i was a bit too much of a meany
Britton
11-13-2005, 10:15 PM
Awesome song. Are you playing lead guitar?
I do everything that Dave does...I can't really sing like him but I'm working hard
metalmilitia101
11-13-2005, 10:25 PM
I do everything that Dave does...I can't really sing like him but I'm working hard
he has a cool grungy type voice
Britton
11-13-2005, 10:25 PM
Yea it's hard to imatate
metalmilitia101
11-13-2005, 10:26 PM
yeah, i can't do it any way, any how lol.
np: trust...great song
Britton
11-13-2005, 10:30 PM
Sometimes it gets on my nerves...but hey nobody else sounds
like Dave
metalmilitia101
11-13-2005, 10:33 PM
when i first heard him i was like wtf? why did they even let him have a mic? lol then i got used to it and i thought it was great
Britton
11-13-2005, 10:55 PM
I hated it at first but it's something you grow into. It's sad that people are
"Close minded" and don't listen to some MD stuff cause the vocals
Apocalyptic Raids
11-13-2005, 11:37 PM
Knifeboy did a great Mustaine impression when we were going to enter the cover comp.
FlyingPaul_83
11-13-2005, 11:44 PM
I dunno if anyone has seen this but check this out:
http://media.putfile.com/Megadeth_on_DD
Dave mustaine on the cartoon show duck dodgers
metalmilitia101
11-14-2005, 12:51 AM
wow that's really different. i liked it, quite amusing, looks like something mustaine would do haha
Bazarov
11-14-2005, 01:06 AM
That was odd. I kind of fast forwarded to the concert, once they got to the class. Porky and Daffy have always annoyed me.
.:Thrasher:.
11-14-2005, 02:13 AM
That was odd. I kind of fast forwarded to the concert, once they got to the class. Porky and Daffy have always annoyed me.
same
metalmilitia101
11-14-2005, 08:36 AM
porky seems very very flaming...i have not really noticed that before...probably because i have rarely seen anything he was in. is he a guy? or she a girl? i'm confused. its both
Happy
11-14-2005, 10:34 AM
That...Was...Amazing.
marc man
11-14-2005, 12:28 PM
...and i save my tears in a vial....
great song.
Happy
11-14-2005, 12:52 PM
I thought that was Eleffson on guitar at first.
lightningmetal666
11-14-2005, 01:45 PM
I thought that was Eleffson on guitar at first.
Dude, that was f*cking awesome!!!
Very nice song choice for that episode. Hey, was Dave really raised by raveonous wolverines? j/k :lol:
Happy
11-14-2005, 01:46 PM
Dude, that was f*cking awesome!!!
Very nice song choice for that episode. Hey, was Dave really raised by raveonous wolverines? j/k :lol:
When I showed that to someone I actually got asked that.
lightningmetal666
11-14-2005, 01:48 PM
When I showed that to someone I actually got asked that.
:lol:
That would be cool if he was. That would explain the attitude.:thumb:
marc man
11-14-2005, 01:55 PM
raised by wofl's... who ****ing cool would the be? Killing people who looked weird:amaze:
Happy
11-14-2005, 01:56 PM
raised by wofl's... who ****ing cool would the be? Killing people who looked weird:amaze:
He still does that, regardless of Wolf parents or not.
lightningmetal666
11-14-2005, 01:57 PM
raised by wofl's... who ****ing cool would the be? Killing people who looked weird:amaze:
Yeah, just imagine Dave on a feeding spree. Hey lars, remember me?
/hears lars screaming along with the sound of tearing flesh
:cool:
marc man
11-14-2005, 02:00 PM
Yeah, just imagine Dave on a feeding spree. Hey lars, remember me?
/hears lars screaming along with the sound of tearing flesh
:cool:
poor, poor lars. Ah well. There is more drums in the world.
clairvoyant
11-14-2005, 02:12 PM
Very cheesy.
But hey, still cool.
lightningmetal666
11-14-2005, 02:17 PM
poor, poor lars. Ah well. There is more drums in the world.
Kind of a funny joke that I heard:
Question:What do ya call a guy that hangs out with a band?
Answer:A drummer. ( When I first heard it I guessed a vocalist but...yeah
Anyways, i thought that the laser on the guitar thing was pretty cool. I know I would have a little too much fun with something like that.
marc man
11-14-2005, 02:19 PM
Kind of a funny joke that I heard:
Question:What do ya call a guy that hangs out with a band?
Answer:A drummer. ( When I first heard it I guessed a vocalist but...yeah
Anyways, i thought that the laser on the guitar thing was pretty cool. I know I would have a little too much fun with something like that.
lol.
lightningmetal666
11-14-2005, 02:27 PM
lol.
Maybe I'd use the laser on the next person that says my playing sucks.:p
I thought that they did an awesome job of picking back in the day as the song for their show. ( in duck dodgers)
Very Metal. \m/ \m/
RustedPieces
11-14-2005, 03:07 PM
That was awesome! :lol:
metalmilitia101
11-14-2005, 04:06 PM
Kind of a funny joke that I heard:
Question:What do ya call a guy that hangs out with a band?
Answer:A drummer. ( When I first heard it I guessed a vocalist but...yeah
Anyways, i thought that the laser on the guitar thing was pretty cool. I know I would have a little too much fun with something like that.
yeah i would have a great time with that haha.
>how do you get a drummer off of your doorstep?
>pay for the pizza.
Britton
11-14-2005, 04:07 PM
yeah i would have a great time with that haha.
>how do you get a drummer off of your doorstep?
>pay for the pizza.
That's cold!
and actually go's for about any young person playing in a band
metalmilitia101
11-14-2005, 04:12 PM
so true, so true. and i have heard it all lol
.:Thrasher:.
11-15-2005, 12:18 AM
yeah i would have a great time with that haha.
>how do you get a drummer off of your doorstep?
>pay for the pizza.
:lol:
Britton
11-15-2005, 01:50 AM
:lol:
Thrasher please stop making post that have 1 smiley and nothing else.
So I've been listening to RIP a lot lately. You all know my favourite song
but I w as wondering what you'res are
Happy
11-15-2005, 01:52 AM
Take No Prisoners or Rust In Peace.
Britton
11-15-2005, 01:53 AM
Yea I'm kinda torn...the whole album is awsome
Happy
11-15-2005, 01:56 AM
The only song I don't really like is Poison was the cure. I loved that song at first but it just kinda grew off me.
Britton
11-15-2005, 01:59 AM
Well I hope that's not the case with me. Cause I love that song...I just get
into this album. I love the whole feel of it all
.:Thrasher:.
11-15-2005, 02:00 AM
Thrasher please stop making post that have 1 smiley and nothing else.
firstly i did that cause i was in a rush to have dinner and second alot of people post like that but i do it if really need to
Apocalyptic Raids
11-15-2005, 05:02 AM
firstly i did that cause i was in a rush to have dinner and second alot of people post like that but i do it if really need to
Type your sentences so that they make sense for **** sake.
marc man
11-15-2005, 08:30 AM
how many megadeth c.d's are there?
Happy
11-15-2005, 10:03 AM
how many megadeth c.d's are there?
Umm 12 or 13 I think.
marc man
11-15-2005, 10:04 AM
wow thats alot!
Happy
11-15-2005, 10:08 AM
wow thats alot!
I don't know, If i was in a band I'd be knocking out 2 albums per year.
marc man
11-15-2005, 10:09 AM
I don't know, If i was in a band I'd be knocking out 2 albums per year.
yeh, who many albums do they bring out ever year like?
Happy
11-15-2005, 10:16 AM
yeh, who many albums do they bring out ever year like?
It's more like an album every 2 years technically.
marc man
11-15-2005, 10:20 AM
It's more like an album every 2 years technically.
ok.
WeezerTool523
11-15-2005, 11:18 AM
They have 10 Full lengths
Killing is my business
Peace Sells
So Far, So Good, So what
Rust In Peace
Countdown to Extinction
Youthanasia
Cryptic Writings
Risk
World Needs A Hero
System Has Failed
Theres also hidden treasures (an ep), rude awakening, and two greatest hits.
Happy
11-15-2005, 11:42 AM
I was close enough.
I didn't count the first greatest hits.
Father_Jack
11-15-2005, 12:40 PM
I don't know, If i was in a band I'd be knocking out 2 albums per year.
Thats a bit much really aint it. You have to give 'em time for touring, as well as writing, recording, taking time out for themselves.
lightningmetal666
11-15-2005, 12:48 PM
Thats a bit much really aint it. You have to give 'em time for touring, as well as writing, recording, taking time out for themselves.
Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing. Touring can take years just on its own. Gotta give credit to guys like Zakk Wylde that can turn out albums fairly quick.
Hey I wouldn't mind waiting if it meant that megadeth made a kick@$$ album. Sometimes you can't rush a good thing.:)
Happy
11-15-2005, 01:13 PM
Haha, I was only joking about the 2 albums per year.
lightningmetal666
11-15-2005, 01:20 PM
Haha, I was only joking about the 2 albums per year.
Oh, ok. They would be pretty stressful if someone did try that.
I heard that back in the days of Kiss, labels would require you to do that.
Any other cool Megadeth news as of late?
Happy
11-15-2005, 01:21 PM
No but that Dave on that Daffy Duck show kicked ***. I never knew he did cartoons.
lightningmetal666
11-15-2005, 01:23 PM
No but that Dave on that Daffy Duck show kicked ***. I never knew he did cartoons.
Damn right it did. Daffy earned himself the official seal of cool in my book. I'm just glad he didn't suggest someone lame.
Porky looked like a complete idiot when they were doing the show. Not that Daffy looked much better.:lol:
RustedPieces
11-15-2005, 02:44 PM
He was also on The Drew Carey Show, but I don't watch it.
lightningmetal666
11-15-2005, 05:28 PM
He was also on The Drew Carey Show, but I don't watch it.
Really!?:amaze:
I've watched countless episodes and I've never seen one that had dave.
What was the episode about?
Britton
11-15-2005, 06:43 PM
I don't know, If i was in a band I'd be knocking out 2 albums per year.
I know it drives me crazy! some of these bands that release a CD like every
three years...and they are just average albums!
But it's a hard life and I'm sure as I get more into that life I'll see how hard it is
RustedPieces
11-15-2005, 08:04 PM
Really!?:amaze:
I've watched countless episodes and I've never seen one that had dave.
What was the episode about?
Um, I think that Drew and his friends want to start a band so they have auditions for guitarists and there's a lot of guitarists on there and Dave happens to be one of them.
http://tbs.com/stories/story/0,,269,00.html
Read the last paragraph.
Bazarov
11-15-2005, 08:18 PM
Does anyone have a clip of Mustaine on Drew Carey??
Britton
11-15-2005, 08:18 PM
I wish I did
Apocalyptic Raids
11-15-2005, 08:36 PM
No, you could have a look on filesharing programs though.
Britton
11-15-2005, 11:03 PM
I'll have to check that out next time I'm at my buddy's house.
If any of you do find it please let me know. I gotta see this
Happy
11-16-2005, 01:44 AM
What's Drew Carey? Is it some kind of sitcom?
Apocalyptic Raids
11-16-2005, 01:58 AM
Yes.
.:Thrasher:.
11-16-2005, 02:15 AM
Does anyone have a clip of Mustaine on Drew Carey??
Mustain was on Drew Carey? wow
metalmilitia101
11-16-2005, 09:40 AM
i dunno who drew carey is either.
np: hanger 18! yeahah
Happy
11-16-2005, 01:09 PM
Uhh is it me or is Dave playing one of the most ugliest guitars ever in the Trust video?
Father_Jack
11-16-2005, 01:20 PM
Uhh is it me or is Dave playing one of the most ugliest guitars ever in the Trust video?
Possible for some linkage?
EDIT: Doesn't Matter, got it.
Britton
11-16-2005, 01:35 PM
Possible for some linkage?
EDIT: Doesn't Matter, got it.
Well could you help me out then?
LoL is it a B.C Rich?
Father_Jack
11-16-2005, 01:39 PM
Well could you help me out then?
LoL is it a B.C Rich?
Its pretty hard to tell, coz its dark, but yeah its not the best looking which usually means BC Rich.
EDIT: No wait its a Jackson
Britton
11-16-2005, 01:42 PM
Its pretty hard to tell, coz its dark, but yeah its not the best looking which usually means BC Rich.
EDIT: No wait its a Jackson
Where can I find the link?
Aw3someman
11-16-2005, 05:39 PM
go to like launch.yahoo.com
lightningmetal666
11-16-2005, 05:42 PM
I'm not sure what guitar you guys are talking about. I'm pretty good at guessing what brand guitars are but a link would help.
metalmilitia101
11-16-2005, 10:20 PM
ah man, jacksons are cool i think! well, some.
MAthiAS
11-16-2005, 10:23 PM
American ones are good, others are decent. But they're pretty average for the money. For the same price as an American you could get two totally custom USA Carvins, and their mid range totally suck compared to LTD's 400 and 1000 series.
metalmilitia101
11-16-2005, 10:29 PM
yeah, i guess. i'm not a pro on this, being primarily a drummer :lol:
.:Thrasher:.
11-17-2005, 01:40 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6796629012501714813&q=megadeth
Is it just me or does this video RULE!!
Apocalyptic Raids
11-17-2005, 02:59 AM
No, it's just you.
superdigg
11-17-2005, 05:42 AM
crap, that stupid Putfile link won't work for me, for that Duck Dodgers episode. would anyone mind being my awesome hero idol guy, and uploading it to YSI or RS or something? china doesn't seem to like putfile.
Happy
11-17-2005, 05:55 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6796629012501714813&q=megadeth
Is it just me or does this video RULE!!
I like the man dancing to TNP better.
lightningmetal666
11-17-2005, 01:07 PM
I like the man dancing to TNP better.
Here we go, megadeth on dave letterman's show. I think it was during the Youthanasia release.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5866497010535667655&q=megadeth
Happy
11-17-2005, 01:08 PM
Yeah I have that file on my comp.
On a completely unrelated note: My washing machine sounded exactly like the drumming to BTU earlier.
lightningmetal666
11-17-2005, 01:14 PM
Yeah I have that file on my comp.
On a completely unrelated note: My washing machine sounded exactly like the drumming to BTU earlier.
:lol:
You should've busted out your guitar. You could've used the washer machine as a drum loop.
Maybe have even recorded it, it would've sounded awesome.
:lol:
Happy
11-17-2005, 01:15 PM
:lol:
You should've busted out your guitar. You could've used the washer machine as a drum loop.
Maybe have even recorded it, it would've sounded awesome.
:lol:
It's a shame it's not doing it anymore. :upset:
lightningmetal666
11-17-2005, 01:27 PM
It's a shame it's not doing it anymore. :upset:
Too bad. That would've been awesome to have a washer as your drummer.
At least it won't mess up.
Happy
11-17-2005, 01:33 PM
Too bad. That would've been awesome to have a washer as your drummer.
At least it won't mess up.
True, it kept time just as well as Menza.
lightningmetal666
11-17-2005, 01:37 PM
True, it kept time just as well as Menza.
I was pokin' a little fun at your drummer. Is he still in your band?
edit: I thought that it was you who said they had a crappy drummer in their band
Happy
11-17-2005, 01:42 PM
I was pokin' a little fun at your drummer. Is he still in your band?
edit: I thought that it was you who said they had a crappy drummer in their band
He's no longer in the band :D
New drummer kicks ***.
Aw3someman
11-17-2005, 03:53 PM
Yeah back to megadeth. Do you think it sucks that Dave is a born again christian? (No offense to christians) It kinda showed on The system has failed that there's something different. i was hoping for like RiP 2 or something along those lines. But I remember reading that he is now ashamed of writing some of those lyrics. I mean wtf? RiP was ****ing awesome...
MAthiAS
11-17-2005, 03:56 PM
i was hoping for like RiP 2
:rolleyes:
Regardless of his religion, he's still a much different person now.
smart blockhead
11-17-2005, 04:00 PM
Yeah back to megadeth. Do you think it sucks that Dave is a born again christian? (No offense to christians) It kinda showed on The system has failed that there's something different. i was hoping for like RiP 2 or something along those lines. But I remember reading that he is now ashamed of writing some of those lyrics. I mean wtf? RiP was ****ing awesome...
I do. I think it's stupid he won't play Black Friday and some of the other songs(any one have a list) because he's a christian.
Britton
11-17-2005, 04:06 PM
Who doesn't change after 20 years? I'm happy that Daves
happy. I want another album and tour though...LoL I gotta see
MegaDeth
Yeah back to megadeth. Do you think it sucks that Dave is a born again christian? (No offense to christians) It kinda showed on The system has failed that there's something different. i was hoping for like RiP 2 or something along those lines. But I remember reading that he is now ashamed of writing some of those lyrics. I mean wtf? RiP was ****ing awesome...
but to be fair, it's his choice, and the fans will still buy the records. Nicko McBrain of Iron Maiden is a christian, but it doesn't bother him, although he has only written one song for them in his 20+ years in the band.
in a way, Dave being christian could allow the band to go in a completely new direction, with a new style of lyrics and that.
i listened to RiP all the way through while playing Call of Duty tonight, i kicked arse while Holy Wars was on :p
Jred250
11-17-2005, 04:28 PM
I have listened to Metallica since I was about 5 years old and own every album DVD they have made. I heard about mustaine about 5 months ago and decided to buy an album just too see what the band was like. 5 months down the line I have most albums ect:
I do think its rather bad how he regrets lyrics he has previously written. He is an incredible musician from song writing to vocals even Guitar playing!
Its strange how someone can change, Just like that. Better still I am glad he is happy and I am sure a few changes in the way he lives will not effect his awesome musical talent. All I can say is ''Hurry to the UK Megadeth''!"
smart blockhead
11-17-2005, 04:30 PM
Who doesn't change after 20 years? I'm happy that Daves
happy. I want another album and tour though...LoL I gotta see
MegaDeth
The D isn't capitalized in Megadeth.
Britton
11-17-2005, 04:51 PM
The D isn't capitalized in Megadeth.
I do it cause it looks cooler...why the hell does it matter?
MAthiAS
11-17-2005, 04:53 PM
Cuz Dave thinks it looks cooler the right way.
heavy metal kid
11-17-2005, 04:56 PM
Cuz Dave thinks it looks cooler the right way.
But the right way will be wrong:
Megadeth= Mega Death :p
... or not... bah, it doesn't matter how you write it, they still kick ***.
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