How do u scream? There is no vocal forums here.

[schecterguy89]

Well my band wants me to scream, and I really dont nkow how. Can someone help me? Im lookin for like a deftones feel.

[ambush]

Search the Lessons and Articles Forum.

[Reflection]

I think there's lots of singing/screaming tips in The Jam Session forum. Go check it out. Lots of techniques etc.

[SonorKen]

Yea, the Jam session is where ya need to be. I'll move it for ya.. Welcome to the forum as well....SFK.

[SilenceNOmorE]

There's a singing forum isn't there?

[Merkaba]

There's a singing forum isn't there?

no , not to my knowledge, but there should be. Im a singer. i cant really play any instrument well enough to be able to coach, but i can sing. I posted last week about maybe making a singing section. I suggest we make one...moderators??????

[Merkaba]

Well i tell ya what, to make your road as easy and as Quick as possible. Trust me, go ahead and let your ego run away. you must....MUST warm up. especially if youre trying to learn any new vocal technique. Not just because you might blow something out, and cause permanent weakening, scarring, etc. but because the vocal cords do way more work than most people know, and they have to be activated, energized. like a circuit. and by the way, Chino from deftones last year paralyzed one cord and partially paralyzed the other. he just went overboard too much and it caught up with him after a show. he woke up the next day in severe pain. chino drinks and smokes and doesnt warm up. after two weeks or so off tour, no shows, pain,medication and the threat of an ended career his doctor told him to cut back on the alcohol, (surprisingly very bad for your cords, due to mucuous) and of course the cigs, and told him to warm up. some people think its cool that they dont have to , or just dont. but if youre serious about your career and growth as a singer you will warm up.

The thing about screaming is that the rasp , especially like chino, mudvayne, LP, etc., comes from extra air passing the cords and hitting the back of the throat. The thing is you must first be able to sing that note/tone first. then over time you gain enough ability to be able to push more air past the cords to where the extra air scrapes your throat giving you that blasted sound. It DOES NOT come from the vocal cords and never ever should. you should be able to scratch any note as a rock singer, its all about moving the back of your throat enough to scrape without closing your throat. closing off causes more pressure against the cords, the air cant escape, and it fatigues the cords. if you want to scream high notes, you must sing them first. falsetto, those high airy notes dont use the cords in the same manner and takes a different feel.
THe thing is that you must learn to isolate your vocal cord muscles from your throat/pharynx muscles. the easiest way (and to show what i mean) is to practice singing a song and not moving the mouth or making faces. just sing the song with your mouth opening and closing enough to make the sounds. dont make any faces or raise any eybrows or anything. just open your mouth and sing a song as blank faced as possible and dont move any part of your body. then try to add the different sounds and tones the same way. over time you can realize the feeling of what changes notes and what doesnt. then do the same thing while singing and only using vowels for the words. not the words. sing a verse just saying Ay's....then EE's, then O...then U...then ahhh...trust me it helps. you should also be able to scratch a note at about 50 percent effort. you shouldnt have to push hard to get scratch on a tone. a secret is to listen to Wonderful world by Louis Armstrong. sing it without moving the mouth much. you will get the feeling of what it takes to hit air on your throat while still holding tone. youre basically gonna have to find this spot to scream(safely). youre basically trying to get your vocal cords strong enough to be able to hold the same shape while having more air(resistance) pushed on them....this extra air scrapes the throat. its as simple at that. so try to get the sound without pushing as hard. you shouldnt have to push that hard. then work your way up to higher notes. if your voice breaks repeatedly move to a lower note . the higher the note, the thinner your cords, so you have less surface area to connect and energize. you dont want to push too hard while youre thin. again, you have to get the muscles strong enough to support and energize at one note before working with another. you cant lift a hundred pounds if you cant lift five. once you move into falsetto or very high notes, its more airy and takes a very open throat.

go find louis armstrong, that is the feeling you wan

sing loud hah's...Hah!...hah...hah....forcefully....it helps strengthen.
when youre done for the day you should warm down....singing higher notes flowing down continuously to lower notes with one breath. I forget what thats called, but its what you would hear a singer doing. One breath flowing high to low. do each vowel a few times. highest you can get to lowest. then do EEEs....at normal singing tone and octave. warm down for at least two minutes or so. it helps realign the cords, which helps them not want to produce mucuous which is your biggest singing enemy, trust me. More on that later.
If you EVER feel pain stop that action immediately. the macho no pain no gain crap is false here. if your speaking voice is altered youre also singing incorrectly. not to pull my own chain but i have gotten to the point where i can do various singing including mudvayne, deftones, tool, etc...for like two to three hours, with no pain, and only loss of range. which is basically muscle fatigue. And i had to train to get it. Im not a natural singer, but like someone said in the sticky, if youre not, you have to work harder than a natural singer would. I'm still working and always will. And im not the best, but in know a lot, and i can explain it a way that helps it to be understood and to see that i know what i'm talking about. most of voice work is quite simple actually. but most people want to do the impossible. just like before, you have to be patient. you have to crawl before you can walk then run, then sprint. And i promise you noone will ever skip a step! so be patient and do it right. The thing is you might have way more potential then you know, and youre just closing your throat when youre trying to scream, again, confusing your throat muscles with your cord's. its culture. we see on tv and through emotions our whole life that the mouth and neck and everything else should do this when we try to make a certain sound. you must learn to seperate. try the excersises to start off, and find songs like Wonderful world. trust me it sounds stupid, but if you can sing that simple song the way he does, its your key. and do it without moving your mouth much. you will find that you have to relax to sing that low and scratch. yet hitting the notes reminds you how to relax the throat while moving the cords. its such a key to singing and growth..thats why i just realized that i wrote another **** paragraph on that one fact again.

I suggest you check the stickys for proper breathing. it is vital you know how to breathe and support. Its funny that so many people breath incorrectly. when you inhale your stomach and chest should go out and bellow bigger. (in general, not all the time when youre own stage, but thats the feeling) . Im a meditator and fitness guru luckily...so it came to be that i have been developing good breathing techniques for a long time before i started to get serious about singing. I'll post more later. i hope this helps.

[feedthegods666]

Well i tell ya what, to make your road as easy and as Quick as possible. Trust me, go ahead and let your ego run away. you must....MUST warm up. especially if youre trying to learn any new vocal technique. Not just because you might blow something out, and cause permanent weakening, scarring, etc. but because the vocal cords do way more work than most people know, and they have to be activated, energized. like a circuit. and by the way, Chino from deftones last year paralyzed one cord and partially parlayzed the other. he just went overboard too much and it caught up with him after a show. he woke up the next day in severe pain. chino drinks and smokes and doesnt warm up. after two weeks or so off tour, no shows, pain,medication and the threat of an ended career his doctor told him to cut back on the alcohol, (surprisingly very bad for your cords, due to mucuous) and of course the cigs, and told him to warm up. some people think its cool that they dont have to , or just dont. but if youre serious about your career and growth as a singer you will warm up.

The thing about screaming is that the rasp , especially like chino, mudvayne, LP, etc., comes from extra air passing the cords and hitting the back of the throat. The thing is you must first be able to sing that note/tone first. then over time you gain enough strenght to be able to push more air past the cords to where the extra air scrapes your throat giving you that blasted sound. It DOES NOT come from the vocal cords and never ever should. you should be able to scratch any note as a rock singer, its all about moving the back of your throat enough to scrape without closing your throat. closing off causes more pressure against the cords, the air cant escape, and it fatigues the cords. if you want to scream high notes, you must sing them first. falsetto, those high airy notes dont use the cords in the same manner and takes a different feel.
THe thing is that you must learn to isolate your vocal cord muscles from your throat/pharynx muscles. the easiest way (and to show what i mean) is to practice singing a song and not moving the mouth or making faces. just sing the song with your mouth opening and closing enough to make the sounds. dont make any faces or raise any eybrows or anything. just open your mouth and sing a song as blank faced as possible and dont move any part of your body. then try to add the different sounds and tones the same way. over time you can realize the feeling of what changes notes and what doesnt. then do the same thing while singing and only using vowels for the words. not the words. sing a verse just saying Ay's....then EE's, then O...then U...then ahhh...trust me it helps. you should also be able to scratch a note at about 50 percent effort. you shouldnt have to push hard to get scratch on a tone. a secret is to listen to Wonderful world by Louis Armstrong. sing it without moving the mouth much. you will get the feeling of what it takes to hit air on your throat while still holding tone. youre basically gonna have to find this spot to scream(safely). youre basically trying to get your vocal cords strong enough to be able to hold the same shape while having more air(resistance) pushed on them....this extra air scrapes the throat. its as simple at that. so try to get the sound without pushing as hard. you shouldnt have to push that hard. then work your way up to higher notes. if your voice breaks repeatedly move to a lower note . the higher the note, the thinner your cords, so you have less surface area to connect and energize. you dont want to push too hard while youre thin. again, you have to get the muscles strong enough to support and energize at one note before working with another. you cant lift a hundred pounds if you cant lift five. once you move into falsetto or very high notes, its more airy and takes a very open throat.

go find louis armstrong, that is the feeling you wan

sing loud hah's...Hah!...hah...hah....forcefully....it helps strengthen.
when youre done for the day you should warm down....singing higher notes flowing down continuously to lower notes with one breath. I forget what thats called, but its what you would hear a singer doing. One breath flowing high to low. do each vowel a few times. highest you can get to lowest. then do EEEs....at normal singing tone and octave. warm down for at least two minutes or so. it helps realign the cords, which helps them not want to produce mucuous which is your biggest singing enemy, trust me. More on that later.
If you EVER feel pain stop that action immediately. the macho no pain no gain crap is false here. if your speaking voice is altered youre also singing incorrectly. not to pull my own chain but i have gotten to the point where i can do various singing including mudvayne, deftones, tool, etc...for like two to three hours, with no pain, and only loss of range. which is basically muscle fatigue. And i had to train to get it. Im not a natural singer, but like someone said in the sticky, if youre not, you have to work harder than a natural singer would. I'm still working and always will. And im not the best, but in know a lot, and i can explain it a way that helps it to be understood and to see that i know what i'm talking about. most of voice work is quite simple actually. but most people want to do the impossible. just like before, you have to be patient. you have to crawl before you can walk then run, then sprint. And i promise you noone will ever skip a step! so be patient and do it right. The thing is you might have way more potential then you know, and youre just closing your throat when youre trying to scream, again, confusing your throat muscles with your cord's. its culture. we see on tv and through emotions our whole life that the mouth and neck and everything else should do this when we try to make a certain sound. you must learn to seperate. try the excersises to start off, and find songs like Wonderful world. trust me it sounds stupid, but if you can sing that simple song the way he does, its your key. and do it without moving your mouth much. you will find that you have to relax to sing that low and scratch. yet hitting the notes reminds you how to relax the throat while moving the cords. its such a key to singing and growth..thats why i just realized that i wrote another **** paragraph on that one fact again.

I suggest you check the stickys for proper breathing. it is vital you know how to breathe and support. Its funny that so many people breath incorrectly. when you inhale your stomach and chest should go out and bellow bigger. (in general, not all the time when youre own stage, but thats the feeling) . Im a meditator and fitness guru luckily...so it came to be that i have been developing good breathing techniques for a long time before i started to get serious about singing. I'll post more later. i hope this helps.


WOOOOAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!! :amaze:

you really know what you're talking bout.

the only thing i say is, think about someone you really hate, and then imagine screaming the lyrics in their face!!! thats what i do, and it works really well.

Merkaba-1=MY HERO! :wave: :wave:

[Merkaba]

WOOOOAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!! :amaze:

you really know what you're talking bout.

the only thing i say is, think about someone you really hate, and then imagine screaming the lyrics in their face!!! thats what i do, and it works really well.

Merkaba-1=MY HERO! :wave: :wave:

well that works for some! the thing is that many people will let that feeling tense them up and then they tense and close up the throat, which may be fine until repetition and time take their toll. Like with chino. with a mic, you really shouldnt have to push that hard, (unless the sound guy is shltty,or you have it too low in rehearsal) maximum gain without feedback is what you want. you can scream so easily then, with tone, and for longer, once you learn the feeling of screaming. youre working with an acoustic instrument. your mic should amplifiy you as much as the other instruments and you shouldnt have to push that hard to get the sound out. of course in heavier music that is the style, but i(and anyone) can look like im pushing and straining but really be giving about a 75-80% scream. its all in the emotion you convey. depending on what the gig length is, i might push harder if im near the end, and i dont have a show the next day. (i havent had a gig in a while though now, no band! :upset: ), but you get the point. if youre in festival or multiband show where you know youre gig time will be short, warm up longer. I'm at my best after a good hour of warming up(excersises and singing).
i grew so much by singing in the car. luckily i've always had a twenty to thirty minute drive to work. so i would always be singing and fukin around. i realized later that i had been helping myself, once i started singing seriously. so looking back on those monotonous boring going to work again drives, it can be a key. Now its not uncommon for me to leave work at 12, it normally takes 20 minutes to get home, but i wont get home til like 2 or later because im out working on my voice, burning gas, eating up the ozone, but i dont have to worry about criticism, jokes, neihbors, my sister, dad, etc. its just me, my body, and the music. because you need a space where youre not worried about what you sound like, what your friends/family think... thats where you get to push your limits and grow, and you can warm up properly. because when you start off warming up your notes arent gonna sound as good. so most people go harder to get that tone but your cords arent warmed up. so you start out singing more when you should be vocalizing at normal push. what happens is you put yourself in a hole from the get go. you heat up the cords and fatigue the muscles early. this(and mucous(another long topic for later)) leads to you thinking you have to push harder to get the same tones because your cords are already misaligned. so you push harder again and again and you go in a downward spiral to keep the same tone. adding more stress and shortening the work time which doesnt build stamina. when youre warming up, your notes might sound crappy for a while. but you dont worry about it. just do normal push. then you later add the stress and force of holding tone and singing. Your cords are vibrating at a certain shape hundreds of times a second for any mid range note! that makes for quick heat and fatigue. now imagine after blasting them before they are warmed up good. But be careful of singing in the car, you dont want your acoustic to compete with the electric. you cant do it. however, again for me, over time i realize that by doing so for so long i strengthened my voice. just be careful. and warm up. after a long warm up, the vocal cords can take a beating, and thats how to get them to strengthen. (be sure to warm down afterwards)
and another thing is that there is a point at which you get diminished returns anyways. if you push too hard then the volume and tone are compromised because there is too much air passing. so each person has to find there own spot really. everybody's different and capable of different things and all have our own limits, but the principals are all the same.
:D

[Trigger_003]

by the way... there's a stickied singing thread at the top of "the jam session" (click here to go straight there) (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166901)

[TheUsedRules]

Merkaba-1 you rule!! thanks for the help dude :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

[schecterguy89]

yeah thank u, u helped alot

[mactabilis]

WHOA, thanks.

For a long time I've been wanting to scream, and just couldn't, figuring I didn't have that special magic ability. I just didn't know what I was supposed to be doing in my throat, what it was to feel like. I've been able to do rasps, and have practically perfected the Louis Armstrong growly gut thing... I figured there was some other thing that was a scream... Now that I know that this is the basis, I've been able to scream!

[BassMan182]

Well my band wants me to scream, and I really dont nkow how. Can someone help me? Im lookin for like a deftones feel.

tell your band mates to kiss your arse... ****ing screaming. what happened to singing? please don't scream, spare your audience the pain.

[mactabilis]

Yeah, and don't use distortion on your guitars either. Spare the audience!

[BassMan182]

although that was sarcasm, i would prefer it when the distortion comes off every now and again

[BeefyBassist]

Man i really connect with that singing in the car thing. thats exactly how i learned to scream. neways what are some good ways to warm up and warm down :confused:

[Merkaba]

^ http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911

[KKKKKocaine]

no , not to my knowledge, but there should be. Im a singer. i cant really play any instrument well enough to be able to coach, but i can sing. I posted last week about maybe making a singing section. I suggest we make one...moderators??????

It probably won't happen, if we have a singing forum made, people will say "Can we have an emo forum? They got a singing forum", If MX can get out of making a new forum he will, which will mean any proposals to him will probably end up in just being told to use this forum.
That wasn't a bash at MX by the way :) Just saying it probably won't happen unfortunately :(

[SufferCate]

THe thing is that you must learn to isolate your vocal cord muscles from your throat/pharynx muscles. the easiest way (and to show what i mean) is to practice singing a song and not moving the mouth or making faces. just sing the song with your mouth opening and closing enough to make the sounds. dont make any faces or raise any eybrows or anything. just open your mouth and sing a song as blank faced as possible and dont move any part of your body. then try to add the different sounds and tones the same way. over time you can realize the feeling of what changes notes and what doesnt. then do the same thing while singing and only using vowels for the words. not the words. sing a verse just saying Ay's....then EE's, then O...then U...then ahhh...trust me it helps can u give a better explanation on how to do this excercise?

[Merkaba]

can u give a better explanation on how to do this excercise?

go here. http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911

[bloodclotsandblackholes]

thanks. this did help :thumb:

[buatti]

how do i go about learning how to sing without doing lesssons?

i know it's hard because there is no-one to give feed back and that i might just be doing the wrong thing all together without knowing, but i really want to attempt to self teach myself how to sing.

the articles posted at the start of this topic seem to be only for more advanced vocalist that know what they're doing :P. Me on the other hand is a bit clueless on the whole thing so please anyone, any help is accepted

Thanks in advance

[Merkaba]

It will take time. read around here, my voicehelp hotline. And just read the posts people make and the answers and suggestions so you can maybe get answers to questions you might have in the future. THeres not too much more to it if you read my hotline. other than that youre looking at a need for alot of practice and feedback. I mean, dont squeeze the throat, dont overpush, learn to isolate, stay hydrated, etc. otherwise If youre planning on doing it yourself you need a place where you can practice without being judged and where you can be relaxed. If you can post some samples here it would be a good start.

[buatti]

yay thanks :D you're very encouraging. one question, what is singing out of your gut? i'm kinda confused about that whole thing.

[Vitriolic Rage]

One I think I know as a vocalist who mainly screams/growls is that the air has to be pushed from the diaphragm, if you're doing stuff just up in your throat you can damage your vocal chords.
For a high pitched Dani Filth scream, I inhale air, instead of exhaling. I believe Dani somehow does it exhaled, without messing his voice up.:eek:

Make sure to stand up straight with your head straight, take no notice of these vocalists you see in music videos slouching or whatever, your voice won't sound as good.

[liberator of squeezy cheese]

Well my band wants me to scream, and I really dont nkow how. Can someone help me? Im lookin for like a deftones feel.
you scream like this aaaaaaarghhhhhhhhhhhhyughhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiii uuuuuooooooooo now you know

[Merkaba]

It means youre not squeezing your throat in a misguided effort to create the pressure on the cords that you know you need. That pressure should come from your diaphgram. like the feeling when youre getting ready to cough or grunt. But of course you dont want it to be this hard. If youre not doing this then you squeeze off your throat in an effort to get pressure but to make a medium story short, its not a well balanced pressure. THis lead to cord fatigue, irritation and over time possible injury. never squeeze the throat and learn to isolate so that you know what it feels like to move the cords only. Check out my voice help hotline sticky if you havent already.

[KKKKKocaine]

I have no vocal forum, and yet I must scream.

Teehee, A play on "I have no mouth, and yet i must scream"

[buatti]

thanks for your help :) i'll give it a try

hmm i think i know the feeling. if anyone does public speaking here, well when you public speak do you use the diaphgram also? 'cause i public speak and when i just do it normally, i think possibly from the throat, it sounds different and not as strong but when i get up infront of the class i'm able to project my voice around the room. I'm not sure if this is similar, but if it is, please tell me :) otherwise i'm just talking out of my ***. :p

[Merkaba]

yea, its important to watch how you talk if youre looking for all you can do to take care of your cords. alot of times we tense up when we talk and use a high larynx.

Imagine operatic singing. you just cant get that sound without diaphragm .

[buatti]

thanks. well i just gotta find the right time; preferably when i'm home alone, to practise.

[Iron Turtle]

My advice for all those who want to improve their vocal ability is to seek out as many resources as possible to learn about singing. The best resource is, of course, a competent teacher. If you can't afford a teacher (and even if you can), buy books on vocal technique. There are many that come with excercise CDs that you can work along with. And although most of these resources are targeted towards traditional (i.e. opera, rock, pop) singing styles, learning the mechanics of vocal sound production and the basics of proper technique will absolutely improve your ability no matter what styles you perform.

Also, as has been mentioned previously you should warm up and cool down for every practice and performance. Remember: it is far easier and effective to avoid injury than to recover from it. Good Luck!

[NoMoreHate]

Ok i gots a question. Is it true that drinking vodka straight strengthens your throat? Well not strengthens but makes it more... resistant to screams? It's probably a load of bollocks but if it was true, that would be cool...

[Merkaba]

Ok i gots a question. Is it true that drinking vodka straight strengthens your throat? Well not strengthens but makes it more... resistant to screams? It's probably a load of bollocks but if it was true, that would be cool...
Good to see that you at least suspect its nonsense.
Why would it be true?
anything you drink goes straight down your esophagus and never touches your cords...that would involve you choking and gagging, remember how it works?

Further more, the only thing alcohol does is dry your cords out, from the inside out. Alcohol robs your body of water, which is why you will piss like Russian Race horse when you drink alot. and one of the first places it takes waterfrom is your throat. So to sum up....BUllSHlT!!

[NoMoreHate]

Good to see that you at least suspect its nonsense.
Why would it be true?
anything you drink goes straight down your esophagus and never touches your cords...that would involve you choking and gagging, remember how it works?

Further more, the only thing alcohol does is dry your cords out, from the inside out. Alcohol robs your body of water, which is why you will piss like Russian Race horse when you drink alot. and one of the first places it takes waterfrom is your throat. So to sum up....BUllSHlT!!

Thanx for that. Obviously it wouldn't strengthen the chords, I thought it might harden the back of your throat a bit, just allow you to get more rasp or something. It's something Phil Anselmo said once. But anyways yeh thanx :)

[i am the robots]

I'll tell you how I learned to scream. I first kinda mimicked the sound whispering a lot, when I would sing along with stuff, but then I started doing it louder and louder, now my friends tell me I have "the shriek". BTW, could anyone give me tips on how to growl well? I can do it (kinda) but I always lose my breath doing it, and is it really bad for your vocal chords (what I heard)?

[Merkaba]

Thanx for that. Obviously it wouldn't strengthen the chords, I thought it might harden the back of your throat a bit, just allow you to get more rasp or something. It's something Phil Anselmo said once. But anyways yeh thanx :)

Phil ? :lol: no wonder.

[Vitriolic Rage]

For growls, I push from the diaphragm, and a get a Mikael Akerfeld (Opeth) type growl.
For screams, the same but a bit differently, it's a Berzerker type scream. For a Dani Filth one, I inhale, if Dani does that exhaling he isn't human.

[NoMoreHate]

I find growling much easier than screaming, because I've always done it when listening to Opeth, Decapitated and stuff like that.

It is actually surprising how little sound you need to make to produce an audible 'growl' through a microphone, it can be a little above a whisper (it irritates my throat doing it loudly, and is unnessecary (sp?) with a microphone). I've heard it's more dangerous than screaming thought, someone told me Cannibal Corpse went through 3 different vocalists destroying their voices in succession or something. Sounds cool though hehe.

I just concentrate on kind of a loud whisper in a really deep voice. Try that, works for me. If it irritates your throat at all, make it more 'airy' (for want of a better word).

[Merkaba]

any body got a sample of link of this dani filth scream? I hear people talking about it and i want hear it. Thanks if you do.

[NoMoreHate]

http://www.cradleoffilth.com/cof/main_page_800x600.htm

click one of the MP3 links. if that doesn't work just go to http://www.cradleoffilth.com and click downloads.

[buatti]

does anyone know Matthew James-Bellamey, from Muse? If so, does anyone know how to sing with his high pitched voice? please share

[Dredg]

lol, "Mathew James-Bellamy"? You must be foreign, hehe. You have three voices when singing (i think). You're chest voice (very low, bass notes), you're head voice (middle range) and falsetto. Falsetto is the one matt bellamy uses to get those high pitched wails. He also puts effects on his voice while he's up there (so he doesn't sound *too* girly)

Have you ever done an impression of a girl? If you have, chances are that was in your falsetto range and the best way to develop it, in my opinion, is to just sing along with a cd featuring that style of singing. If you like the falsetto sound, check out Jeff Buckley! :thumb:

[Lord Abortion]

a Dani Filth one, I inhale, if Dani does that exhaling he isn't human.
**** right
for a dani filth one I have to inhale
for a growl - like the start of lord abortion push the daiphragm right down and try to get the adam's apple right down in the throat...

[buatti]

thanks for that dredq. i live in australia... dunno if thats foreign to u tho.

[Dredg]

Ahh right, cool! No offence was intended man, was just an observation! In the UK, he's affectionaly known as 'Matt Bellamy', hehe :)

[buatti]

o ok :D no offence taken.

[shesimplywillnotdie.]

I have a question , how loud should my scream be? may sound idiotic but y'know...

Also

I would like to learn how to scream like Josh Scogin, former singer of Norma Jean and current singer of The Chariot, he doesn't have that high pitched "screamo" or "emocore" scream.

you can listen to him here
http://boss.streamos.com/download/toothandnail/downloads/normajean/norma_jean_memphis_hi.mov

and here
http://www.purevolume.com/thechariot

[schecterguy89]

Alot of this has helped me since i posted it, but i still cant get much of a rasp. Still need help with that. Like I understand how to close of the back my throat, i can do that, but to make a scream come out is impossible.So yeah still need help

[Peg Dizzler]

Hey Merkaba... I just need some backup to see if I'm doing my scream right.
To make it short, I'm in a speed/melodic/classic metal band, and I mostly sing. I've taken a few vocal lessons, but I've figured much out on my own. I understand how sing chest, head, and falsetto, and I use all 3 forms in our music, and I can do a "rasp" or "distortion" on my head and falsetto singing voice. But I never really understood how to all-out scream until now.
I think I'm doing it right, it sounds loud enough, and I'm not in pain. My throat feels somewhat scratchy, but it only feels that way if I overdo it, I think. I recorded it, and I think it sounds decent compared to some other people's screams I've heard on here. Keep in mind, this is my first day seriously trying to scream... so bear with me. I'll post some stuff on soundclick in a second for everyone to hear.

[Peg Dizzler]

I guess screaming is king of like "rasp-singing", you know what I mean? All I'm pretty much doing is imagining a note in my head and making that note except with much much more power behind it so it's an-all out scream... I'm really not sure if it's a head or falsetto voice, it's definitely not chest, I can't do guttoral screams... but I seem to harmonize with Children of Bodom and sound most like them more than anyone else.

[Peg Dizzler]

http://www.soundclick.com/pendingdemise

Alright... here's my vox. Copy and paste, people. Tell me if I'm doing it right or wrong.. I'm pretty sure I'm doing it right, I got volume and it doesn't hurt. I read pretty much everything Merkaba wrote, and that really helped.
So tell me what you think.. thanks.

[Rats]

I think the screams and the falsetto sound awful.

In your "falsetto vocals" you are pushing way too hard.

I think you aren't opening your throat up enough when you scream.

[Peg Dizzler]

Thanks for your opinion. I'm not sure about my scream, since I'm not really experienced at that, but my falsetto (singing) probably just sounds funny because of the cheap mic. Besides... that was close to the highest falsetto note I can hit, so yeah, I probably was pushing hard, but it's the only way I can hit notes that high. I was just testing it out and seeing how it sounds on recording.
I think my scream sounds decent, but how can I open my throat more? I would think that if I did that, it wouldn't come out as a scream... I dunno, I don't really understand screaming yet.

[Rats]

I didn't understand it at first either. It took me about a year to get it. But once you figure out it's really easy.

[Peg Dizzler]

Yeah, I bet. It didn't hurt while I was doing it, so I thought I was doing it right because it was loud and didn't hurt and all. But later that day and the next day my throat was kind of scratchy. Is that normal the first few times, do I need to build it up? Or am I just doing it wrong?

[Vitriolic Rage]

If you've been doing it for a while your thraot might hurt a little afterwards. If it's so bad that you can hardly talk, you're doing your vocals wrong.
Anyway, some tips from me:
For a Dani Filth type scream, I inhale.
When I'm doing my standard black metal scream vocals, I find sort of baring your teeth a little and sort of tensing your jaw helps. And remember, you must push air from your diaphragm, if you are just doing it straight from the throat that's not good.
Stand up straight as well (when recording, at a gig do what the hell you want;)), not slouched, you can breathe much better and your airways are more open.

[Madcap.]

Screaming is for bands with bad lyrics.

[shesimplywillnotdie.]

I have a problem, when I scream or try, I can get up to a volume that is around my normal speaking voice, but I can't seem to get any louder. Maybe I have a totally bad technique, I'm not sure. I'm trying the whole pull the back of throat down and apply pressure, but the volume isn't there.

[scotch]

Well my band wants me to scream, and I really dont nkow how. Can someone help me? Im lookin for like a deftones feel.

Here's how to scream: Remind yourself that George Bush began his second term today.

[Peg Dizzler]

If you've been doing it for a while your thraot might hurt a little afterwards. If it's so bad that you can hardly talk, you're doing your vocals wrong.
Anyway, some tips from me:
For a Dani Filth type scream, I inhale.
When I'm doing my standard black metal scream vocals, I find sort of baring your teeth a little and sort of tensing your jaw helps. And remember, you must push air from your diaphragm, if you are just doing it straight from the throat that's not good.
Stand up straight as well (when recording, at a gig do what the hell you want;)), not slouched, you can breathe much better and your airways are more open.

Thanks so much. And no, my throat didn't hurt so bad I couldn't talk, it was only a little scratchy and I just kept drinking water. But that was awhile after.
When I first tried screaming (like seriously trying to learn how) I read all of Merkaba's advice first, and then I went ahead and tried a few times. I found that screaming along with Children of Bodom helped too, because it.. gets you in the mood, I don't know how else to put it. Plus my screaming seems to harmonize with them.
I don't plan to scream much in my band, I'm more fond of "powerful singing" (Priest, Manowar, Iced Earth, that sort) so even if I was doing it wrong, it probably wouldn't affect because of how little I do scream, but as a perfectionist, especially when it comes to metal, I want to do it the right way.. so I hope I am. :thumb: :)

[Merkaba]

The mixed scream one, I can hear that youre squeezing your larynx. And it sounds like youre pushing a bit hard. Try it with a Hah. The h at the begining should help a bit. And dont forget to go robot face and move nothing but what you need to. And you should practice with about 50% of the push and volume youre using.

The falsetto scream was really a falsetto sing. More of a note. Not a bad one though. For that static sound try to scream it and whisper it at the same time. Again, with the blank face until you get it. You shouldnt really fell much of anything going on or moving in your throat. its ver subtle. Like I said, the same muscles you use to get the ANNNKK wrong answer buzzer type of sound. but dont squeeze the throat. try to sing it through the bottom lip if you could

[Peg Dizzler]

Thanks Merkaba, I'll try that. I was trying to do my screams with "hut's".. I'll definitely have to try "hah's" and push less. As for the falsetto one, yeah that was supposed to be a note instead of a scream. Haha. No intention for a scream there. It wasn't the best tone, and crappy mic didn't help either, but yeah, my band is kind of going for the whole speed metal/Halford vocals thing.
Thanks for the tips! :thumb:

[Merkaba]

Thanks Merkaba, I'll try that. I was trying to do my screams with "hut's".. I'll definitely have to try "hah's" and push less. As for the falsetto one, yeah that was supposed to be a note instead of a scream. Haha. No intention for a scream there. It wasn't the best tone, and crappy mic didn't help either, but yeah, my band is kind of going for the whole speed metal/Halford vocals thing.
Thanks for the tips! :thumb:

note...you still want to make sure youre opening your throat up...just to clarify. open you mouth as much as you need.. just dont tense up.

[Interlaced]

Hey merkaba can i get a file of u doing a bit of Mudvayne - Dig or something i wanna hear what u can sound like after alot of experience as i would like to scream, i want to like get a teacher but im sure there is no teachers where i live that will teach me how to scream/know how to.

[Rats]

im sure there is no teachers where i live that will teach me how to scream/know how to.

That's a stupid thing to say. How do you know that?

[paganinio]

if you only wish to know one thing about it
know that screaming may hurt your vocal cords

[thefiercewaffle]

Hey guys I'm liking this forum haha now its my turn for a question =P I've tried everything so far and I think I'm getting the hang of it but I'm still having trouble getting the type of harsh scream ie:as i lay dying that I've been striving for. If you haven't heard the type of scream I'm talking about you can find it here www.angelfire.com/ab7/alexmorris/song2.mp3 <-- its a local band called Red Fall

[Lars Jr.]

I'm normally a drummer but I'm also kind of good with vocals. I can do Dani Filth's Lycanthroat style pretty well but I'm having trouble being able to draw it out as long as Dani does. It would be great if someone could give me some pointers. :evil:

[Rats]

why did you bump this thread, you ****ing douchebag? get lost.

[Merkaba]

Amen....

JFC

equals...

Jesus Fu-ckin Christ!

Enough already.

[withering_rose]

I can scream very easily at low volumes, but unless I'm going nearly as loud as I can, I can't get a decent scream. would the exercise on the first page help?

[withering_rose]

a good band to practice somewhat higher screams would be alexisonfire, especially "a dagger through the heart of st. angeles" after the whispered part one of them screams "GO!" also "the leaving song pt. 2" by AFI for a more musical scream, at the end of the bridge