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[GiB]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8791304&postcount=6987
Oh, srry bout that then.

[Mr Herb]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8791861#post8791861

There was a kiss thread yesterday and there are tons more and the thread stater is being a jerk.


am not sure if this should be reported

[Jom]

Why was that video upload thread a bad idea?
It wasn't great... But it wasn't horrible.

Why did my video upload thread get closed?

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8791304&postcount=6987

To go along with what SFK said (and Ali linked to), videos have been uploaded in the YSI thread. You can feel free to "randomly" upload videos/interviews/etc. there, provided you give a brief explanation and state that it's a random upload, so I don't get confused when I go through to update.

[Follow The Reaper]

I'm glad you reported that, I was about to.


EDIT:The reporting two posts above mine.

EDIT2: Can you ban this guy, he is making bad threads, and is spamming up threads. http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/member.php?u=184506

[SonorKen]

I'm with you on single smiley posts, 123s, "goodbye" posts in the community thread, etc, but I don't see what you mean by the thread types bit. It's only new users and actual trolls (of which there are few) who make threads of the Best, Top 10, Dream Band (and so on) kind - none of the regulars make threads like that because they know they'll be closed or deleted and maybe banned - and we can't really request that people read the rules before we're aware of them being here.
Thats why I asked the regulars, who help out here, to "pass the word around".

[Bazarov]

How would you suggest that we pass the word around? Like when a newbie posts in a thread tell him to read the rules?

[SonorKen]

Yup, exactly. The regulars here do it every day, and it is appreciatted and I personally thank them by repping them.


Spaceace is banned.

[Bazarov]

I see. Well, I guess I'll help spread the word around.

[Iai]

Ken - why not post an announcement about it?

Also, could you make it a rule that 'omg is metal evil liek satan?!1' threads are illegal? Can't speak for anyone else, but they annoy the piss out of me.

I'm sure there'll be a few good threads in Politics re: effects of music on the listener you could link people to in the rules, if they're genuinely interested.

[CockeyedMaverik]

also whats rep?

[Mr Herb]

Post as sticky with a tittle that will draw everyones attention even if its not related and tell off all the new rules there

[Bazarov]

also whats rep?

Rep is something the mods give people. There is negitive rep for if you say something stupid or SPAM or whatever, and there's positive reputation for when you do something constructive. For every thousand rep points you get (I think it's 1000) you get one star under your name. Max you can get is 4. Mods have 5 stars.

And Iai, I agree with you these threads on the evil in Rock and Metal are annoying now, they always post the same exact websites, and there are no new arguments.

[dimenwylde22]

I know all of you people think I am obbsessed with Pantera and I would like to feed my obbsesion by starting a OFFICIAL PANTERA THREAD!!!
Thankyou and please say yes!

[3074326]

No.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Rep is something the mods give people. There is negitive rep for if you say something stupid or SPAM or whatever, and there's positive reputation for when you do something constructive. For every thousand rep points you get (I think it's 1000) you get one star under your name. Max you can get is 4. Mods have 5 stars.

Once they hit 1,000, they automatically get 4 stars.

[Bazarov]

Oh, well thanks for giving me the correct information.

[Moses]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8796801#post8796801

Die.

[Stoic]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=368538
thread about his band's demo. move

[munky_magik]

This appears to have slipped through the cracks but should really be closed. (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=368372)

[hethamulburton]

This guy keeps double posting despite numerous warnings especially by Steerpike, I recommend a temp ban for this guy.
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8804007#post8804007

This guy:
distortedmind64

[3074326]

Yeah, three days.

[Burdcheese]

Please, please make it stop (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=368662)

[Moses]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=367812

Kill......

These list threads are all the same. "Teh meedia laies and ar stoopid"

[Riva]

I know all of you people think I am obbsessed with Pantera and I would like to feed my obbsesion by starting a OFFICIAL PANTERA THREAD!!!
Thankyou and please say yes!

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=364028

There you go, just post all the information you know about Pantera, and make that thread really good. :)

Also, I was wondering if the following posts in illegal threads:
"in before close"
"This is against the rules, as thirty people have already said"
"this is against the rules, but I'm replying anyway"
could be bannable offences? It's just that they needlessly bump the threads. Once one or two people have corrected the threadstarter, there is no need for anyone else to post in the thread.

[Follow The Reaper]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=368743
Close this thread, it should just be in the "Riffs that Smack You With Greatness" thread. I think.

[3074326]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=364028

There you go, just post all the information you know about Pantera, and make that thread really good. :)

Also, I was wondering if the following posts in illegal threads:
"in before close"
"This is against the rules, as thirty people have already said"
"this is against the rules, but I'm replying anyway"
could be bannable offences? It's just that they needlessly bump the threads. Once one or two people have corrected the threadstarter, there is no need for anyone else to post in the thread.

Yeah, I'll start cracking down on that stuff. I won't ban for one usage, but if a user keeps doing it I certainly will.

[Lunch]

Also, I was wondering if the following posts in illegal threads:
"in before close"
"This is against the rules, as thirty people have already said"
"this is against the rules, but I'm replying anyway"
could be bannable offences? It's just that they needlessly bump the threads. Once one or two people have corrected the threadstarter, there is no need for anyone else to post in the thread.

Those posts are really starting to get on my nerves, and it seems every illegal thread nowadays has plenty of them.

[Follow The Reaper]

I was wondering, are posts like WhAt MaN, ThEy KiCk *** considered spam?

[Moses]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8810930&posted=1#post8810930

Obvious.

[3074326]

I was wondering, are posts like WhAt MaN, ThEy KiCk *** considered spam?

If the thread is something like "Do you like Dredg?" and someone says "Heck yeah man, they rule." It is not spam.

If it's irrelevant and in an arguing manner, yes.

[Follow The Reaper]

If the thread is something like "Do you like Dredg?" and someone says "Heck yeah man, they rule." It is not spam.

If it's irrelevant and in an arguing manner, yes.
Thats what I meant, if it's irrelevant.

[MAthiAS]

What's the verdict about the poll after Iai's? I had asked a while ago about doing a vocalists one...

[SlashHalen]

not sure if this is the place to ask exactly. but either way. What the funk does Wanker, Wank, Wankery ect. mean exactly? alos the whole pwn thing are these just people who mispell own or waht?

[Kingofdudes]

not sure if this is the place to ask exactly. but either way. What the funk does Wanker, Wank, Wankery ect. mean exactly? alos the whole pwn thing are these just people who mispell own or waht?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pwn

Wank can be used in many ways. Around here, people use it to describe a guitarists that plays with a high amount of skill. They compare their playing to self pleasure aka masturbating aka wanking.

/me fails at explaining

[Bartender]

And yes, pwn is a misspelling of own.

[Iai]

I'm very fond of using the word 'wank' to describe just about anything I don't like. But as Kingofdudes was saying, the real meaning is 'to masturbate (male)'. It's British slang.

Anyone know whether or not Ian's planning to post the full list of the top 100 bassists? I'll hang back my poll until he does.

[Bartender]

Well we have this (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=368791), which probably signals the end of his polls altogether. If he wants to make out the full list, he can just edit into the opening post of that thread, I suppose.

[Kingofdudes]

I think he said he isnt gonna make a list.

[drum4weezer36]

If nobody is going to do a top 100 r&m drummers poll
I would really like to do it. If that's okay with the mods?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

You could do it, but first, Iai is doing a modern rock poll, so you have a good 3-4 months to get everything sorted out.

[Mr Herb]

You could do it, but first, Iai is doing a modern rock poll, so you have a good 3-4 months to get everything sorted out.
About the best modern rock bands?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

...Uhh, yes? :confused:

[drum4weezer36]

You could do it, but first, Iai is doing a modern rock poll, so you have a good 3-4 months to get everything sorted out.

what are you talking about?

[Permanent Solution]

I don't know why you left that Offspring thread open Jelle...

[Kingofdudes]

If nobody is going to do a top 100 r&m drummers poll
I would really like to do it. If that's okay with the mods?

Id rather have Moses do it

[drum4weezer36]

Id rather have Moses do it

why is that?

[Kingofdudes]

why is that?
I know he is a good user that can handle the job.

All I know about you is that you have way too many closed threads.

[Mr Herb]

All I know about you is that you have way too many closed threads.


You are also sort of new. Dont take it personally

[drum4weezer36]

You are also sort of new. Dont take it personally
I see your point but do you know if and when Moses will do it?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

After Iai's poll, like I said.

[drum4weezer36]

After Iai's poll, like I said.

What poll is that exactly? I can't seem to find it anywhere :confused:

[Kingofdudes]

What poll is that exactly? I can't seem to find it anywhere :confused:
Top 100 modern rock bands. It hasnt started yet.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

He's not started it yet. He has asked questions about it in this thread, though, and he's had dibs on it since before the songs and albums polls were up.


/beaten :upset:

[drum4weezer36]

So it's going to be a modern rock poll?

[Bazarov]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369000
KILL!
It's a question about Tool.

[Syncratic]

KILL!
It's a question about Tool.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[Kingofdudes]

You say that like it's a bad thing.
Does it matter?

[Syncratic]

Does it matter?

Guess it doesn't, just pointing something out.

[Stoic]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

it is since there's a nice official thread...

[Mekkalayakay]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369046

Um.....This dude needs help with his girlfriend.

[Jom]

Everyone is trying to jump on the OMG I WANT TO MAKE A POLL bandwagon, but the thing is, all of them are filled up, and HAVE been filled up for quite some time now.

As people have said, Iai is going to do Modern Rock. It's going to be a little bit before he gets it going, though, as all contests are time-consuming. Then the next in queue, from what I remember, is either Six Foot Revolver or Dr. Jake Destructo. And then someone else (Moses, I think) has the final spot.

So, really, there isn't any need for any more contests. But thanks for the good intentions, of course.

[Follow The Reaper]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369085
Close this thread, I gave him a link to where he could ask the question, and get some intelligent answers.

[heavy metal kid]

disscussion about my chemical romance

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=360724&page=5

and offspring one:

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=368976

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369098

Forum of the guitar.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369100

"Where can I find this shirt?"

[Bazarov]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369137

Close this, somebody didn't bother to use the search function.

[Follow The Reaper]

The search button is broken.

[Kingofdudes]

The search button is broken.
I just tried a search, and it worked :confused:

[Bazarov]

The search button is broken.

It worked for me. He said he couldn't find the thread. I used the search to find it. Anyway we have a healthy black metal thread and we now know it isn't gone, so it should be closed.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

@Below-That's what I was thinking, because he's a good user. :p Just backing up my bandmember!

[GaggingOrder]

He just admitted that he's joking. Leave him alone.

[Lunch]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8836448&postcount=23954

Not sure if he's kidding or not...If he isn't kidding, well then that's definitely a ban of some sort. :-/

Relax, Ricemonster and I are buds, that was just a joke amongst friends.

[Bazarov]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8837281#post8837281

Please can anyone tell me what this guy was trying to say? And close the thread, I think it's about video games?

[monokolopo]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369534


hendrix noob thread

[monokolopo]

When is the next top 100 competition runnig.

[Kingofdudes]

When is the next top 100 competition runnig.

Iai is gonna do a nomination thread sometimes next week, I think.

[Apocalyptic Raids]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=367181

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=364028

Do we really need two Pantera threads?

[Bazarov]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8841729#post8841729

Recomend me some Metal.

[Huber]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8841935#post8841935

Avenged Sevenfold thread.

[tapytastic]

hey iv been siting down all day trying to wright a good mosh riff but its not happening does any one have any tips please

[Bazarov]

hey iv been siting down all day trying to wright a good mosh riff but its not happening does any one have any tips please

This question should be in the guitar forum. But I guess maybe you should listen to some of your favorite "mosh" riffs for inspiration, or just try and think of something heavy and original in your head and try to play it our on guitar. Welcome to the forums buddy. :wave:

[ATM]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369688

[clearvision]

Erm seconded, he's been directed to the community thread, no need for it to stay open now methinks...

[Steerpike]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369695

Needs to be stickied.

[Lord Abortion]

do I need mod approval for an FA?
I know other users, IAJP, lunch, Alex, etc, do their own but in series, which I'm not planning on, I have an Iced earth one written almost and would like to know if it would be stickied etc.

[munky_magik]

I think with FA's there is a two week gap between each.
Usually Med is your man to talk to about this, but he's on holiday. Try asking Riva, as he may have some clue.

[Stoic]

holiday? Too bad, I sent him an e-mail earlier for a FA. Maybe I should contact Riva too.

[munky_magik]

I don't know if Riva has any idea what is going on, it was just a guess. There's a massive queue for FA's, I know that much.

[Lord Abortion]

I don't know if Riva has any idea what is going on, it was just a guess. There's a massive queue for FA's, I know that much.
oh right, I had no Idea, I'll just post it independently then...

[munky_magik]

oh right, I had no Idea, I'll just post it independently then...
Well by my calculations, which are dodgy at best, It's been over two weeks since Riva's Judas Priest was posted. Wait for him to appear, have a word with him and if he doesn't have anything planned then you can post it as an official FA.

I don't even know if Riva has any idea, but I'm assuming that if anyone does that it'll be him. If he doesn't know anything then just post it anyway.

[Iai]

I honestly think Featured Artists are redundant at the minute. So many people have over-ridden the process and started doing their own series of threads on artists, or even albums....

Anyway, one nominations thread coming right up.

[Iai]

Hot & STICKY (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369780)

[Bazarov]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369795

Can someone move this to the Jam Session?

[Syncratic]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369803

Illegal 'Official Sevendust' Thread.

[Jom]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369901

Guitar or Jam Session, I think.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369912

Tab question.

[Riva]

I honestly think Featured Artists are redundant at the minute. So many people have over-ridden the process and started doing their own series of threads on artists, or even albums....


I consider them more of a lengthy thread, rather than a FA. Plus, official FAs are stickyed. :)

[Syncratic]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8859576#post8859576

Hammet VS. Petrucci thread.

[jpshortstuff]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8859576#post8859576

Hammet VS. Petrucci thread.

yeah delete but please dont ban or anything, i forgot it wasnt in rules

EDIT:
Also, the instant notification thing doesnt seem to work for me, do i need something installed, or was it shut down?

[Jom]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=348427

Trivium thread, linked to bigger, more successful thread.

[munky_magik]

Also, the instant notification thing doesnt seem to work for me, do i need something installed, or was it shut down?
You need the IN spell with level six casting ability.

[Steerpike]

This guy really needs to shut up.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370183

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370185

He's only doing this out of spite and is just making an *** out of himself.

EDIT:

It seems he's decided to also post with an alternate account.
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/member.php?u=164500

[Moses]

IP ban that idiot. He claims to have six accounts.

[hethamulburton]

PERM BAN
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370194

[Moses]

We reported that jackass 5 minutes ago.

[Freezing Moon]

Why are people posting in those threads?

I thought posting in blatantly obvious spam thread = ban?

[Steerpike]

Why are people posting in those threads?

I thought posting in blatantly obvious spam thread = ban?

Hmm. Good point.

[guns_n_roses=Slash+Axl]

DrummerFreakYo is making threads that have nothing to do with music. and is calling people gay

[Dude3]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/member.php?userid=149489
Ban this mofo

[DuncMaster]

I dont' know who to be more pisssed at, That cunt, or the "mods"

[munky_magik]

I dont' know who to be more pisssed at, That cunt, or the "mods"
How can the Mods do anything if they aren't online?

[Dude3]

DummerFreakYo must die.

[munky_magik]

Rest assured that he'll be banned once a Mod sees him.
I was going to ask Wintermute but he buggerd off :-/


Yeah, there should really be a crackdown on posting in threads like these.

[Steerpike]

At first it was just typical trolling. Then it got out of hand and we all had to step back and realize we were only contributing to the problem.

I'm trying to bump some threads though to pull as many people back on track as possible.

[black.hole.sun]

Isn't there any mods on right now?

[RNR]

close and ban, please. http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370242


edit: oh ****, they're everywhere.

[Steerpike]

The jackass finally got bored and left.

[CockeyedMaverik]

an official velvet revolver thread? or guns n roses thread?

[munky_magik]

an official velvet revolver thread? or guns n roses thread?
Not gonna happen.

[Steerpike]

an official velvet revolver thread? or guns n roses thread?

The mods have stated they won't be making any more Official threads.

Besides, Velvet Revolver don't need one anyway.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

Everything is taken care of now.

EDIT: Also thunderzstruck, I suggest you stop replying to every post he made. It just makes the situation worse and is grounds for a banning.

[Follow The Reaper]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370285
close

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370287
close

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370265
Close

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/member.php?u=164500
Ban

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370266
close

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370270
close

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370269
close

And ask FlamesOfBodom to stop posting in his threads.

[Wish]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370269
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370270
Ugh.

It's the same guy that Follow The Reaper reported, just a different thread.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370282

I think you get the picture :p

[Syncratic]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8864296#post8864296

I don't need to say it.

EDIT: Beaten.

I recommend a ban, this guy does this everywhere.

[SeekandDestroy01]

Get Rid of this Zombie Autopilot moron hes got like 10 threads in just pg1 r&m

[flamesofbodom]

Someone kill Zombie Autopilot before i do

[Follow The Reaper]

We've reported him in the three posts above yours.

[black.hole.sun]

I'm guessing that Zombie Autopilot is that same idiot as was on before?

[Follow The Reaper]

Yes thats correct.

Are all of the mods offline right now?

[Six Foot Revolver]

Are all of the mods offline right now?
This is correct, I am thinking of asking a mod from another forum to ask out

[munky_magik]

This is correct, I am thinking of asking a mod from another forum to ask out
TBF is the only one on, I think, But I'm already on it.

[Wish]

Are all of the mods offline right now?
The Black Fist and Damrod are online. There may be more online, but these are the only two mods who aren't hiding their status.

EDIT: And REINER.

[Mekkalayakay]

Guys... It doesn't matter. He has quit for some reason. A mod will get here soon enough, either way. And his threads are already on the secon d page.


By posting numerous comments about him in a thread like this, you are giving him recognition, and that is driving him. He's seeing that you are getting pissed off, and he is laughing at you.

[munky_magik]

He should be banned now.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

flamesofbodom - 1 day for feeding the troll.

Cleaned up what wasn't already gotten.

[munky_magik]

Thank you :)

[Follow The Reaper]

There was a reason you were banned.

[Steerpike]

thanks alot guys, i had to make a new email address and then this account cuz you banned my other one (DrummerFreakYo)

Something about having 6 accounts, troll boy?

Dude, you're not welcome here. You've had your fun, we yawned, you cried, you got banned. Game over. You're done.

[*THEGLASSPRISON*]

well, this is my fifth, first time ive used it, i knew i would need it in a back up sitiuation like this

[3074326]

flamesofbodom - 1 day for feeding the troll.

Cleaned up what wasn't already gotten.

Thanks a lot, man. :)

[Let's Chop Cats!]

No problem, got me away from doing real work.

[3074326]

Haha, nothing wrong with that.

[-Steerpike-]

hi guys

[munky_magik]

Fake accounts don't work, sorry.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8865915&postcount=7132

Troll.

I'm going to take a shot in the dark here and assume this guy is 'steerpike sux,' and report him in Site in hopes of Jeremy IP banning him.

[Let's Chop Cats!]

hi guys
Hmm, I wonder who this could be.

[Bartender]

Thanks, Reiner.

[Mekkalayakay]

You know, I'm starting to think that I could be the reason why he just randomly stopped spamming before he was even banned. :-*

[Stoic]

and I wonder what this smiley ( :-* ) means... :confused:

[Mekkalayakay]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370286

Well first off, after my second post, he didn't seem too fond of spamming anymore. He seemed to just quit about a minute after I posted this message.

And :-* is a kissing smiley on AIM.

:p

[Steerpike]

hi guys

The old "dipshit doppleganger" routine.

Thanks for catching that one early.

[hethamulburton]

The old "dipshit doppleganger" routine.

Thanks for catching that one early.

Well the post count went down drastically, and he used no capitilization.

[RNR]

It's not so bad that he thinks a ****ty band is good, but it's against the rules. http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370353

[Syncratic]

Oh, yeah, and that Slipknot guy harasses in different forums.

[Arucard]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370370

Close/delete my thread please. Immature guy making it pointless.

[Lord Abortion]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8868467&posted=1#post8868467

this is illegal

[Schyma]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370391

[Jom]

RMOTM thread can be closed (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369708)

Not a high priority or anything.

[Wish]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/member.php?find=lastposter&t=370499

Posting nothing but :lol:

He's been doing this in The Pit for ages now and he's starting here.

[Permanent Solution]

Since you're on Med...maybe you'll see this, but how long is the FA line right now?

[Stoic]

IM or e-mail me about who you want to do, and I'll give you a date for sometime.

I sent you an e-mail on Sunday but I still havent received a reply :confused:

[Moses]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8877036&postcount=14745

[BoboTheRagingHobo]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370547

This needs to be closed as soon as possible, it is just going to be a repeat of the last thread just now every one will now quote the thread starter and tear away at his points.

Just kill it before it gets annoying again.

[Follow The Reaper]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370802
close

[3074326]

I just got back from the US today, and haven't checked my e-mail in about a week. ;) I'll check it a bit later and send you a reply...I'm on my other MSN account now catching up with some of my friends so I can't do it right now.

Welcome back. :)

[Schyma]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370704

He made 2 of them I'd close them both.

[Riva]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/member.php?userid=167993

At least a month ban, I think.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370886

Close, I think.

[tim k]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8885022&posted=1#post8885022

All this happens b/t pages 13-16
Ban this tim k guy, he is senselessly posting a link to a site that no one cares about, and has done it 10- 15 times now, check previous page too for all his postings. I told him to stop, but o boy, that was 6-7 links he's added earlier.

And this guy m30wc0w- you'll find him in the 9:50- 10:00 range.

2 noobs who are spamming uncontrolably, and we are sick of it.my god. what a freakin' baby.

[tim k]

My god, will you not grow up, I report troublesome people like you, to get this site cleaned up, now go back to the thread and clean up your spam, we'd lose 2 pages easy on the crap you wrote.
what about you calling me names? i want you banned. crybaby.

[tim k]

i want hethamulburton because he called me names.

[tim k]

O man, names, people do that all the time here, get over it, as for you spamming, that has to stop, or would you like to take this to email and continue on bickering to me.
im done with you, crybaby.

[guns_n_roses=Slash+Axl]

every time i am bou to write maroon five sucks *** it is changed.

[Riva]

Jesus, stop the spam, you retards. And guns_n_roses, the swear filter has been changed, for what reason we do not yet know.

A lot of other phrases have also been changed.

[Follow The Reaper]

Will Tim K and Hethamulburton please get AIM, argue over that.

[Follow The Reaper]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/member.php?u=185771a
This kid was already banned once, ban him again.

[artificial hip]

can i ask a favor?

[RiceMonster]

can i ask a favor?
No, Just leave. You've already been banned, so please get the message.

[artificial hip]

nuthin'. forget it. goodnight.

[SonorKen]

QUIT THE SPAM in this thread RIGHT NOW.

[Moses]

Please don't close my 40 years thread recreation. The otherone had some decent discussion before it was closed and after the spam.

[SonorKen]

Yea, its cool, the thread was good.

[Permanent Solution]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8889864&postcount=55

Mature.

[jpshortstuff]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=356137&page=8&pp=25

shouldnt this sort of thing be in the music recommendation thread?

EDIT:
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371017
isnt this against the rules, like what one of my threads recently got closed for?

[SonorKen]

^^^^ You posted in a thread that is against the rules, reported it, and got yourself banned.

PLEASE go read the rules for the forum.

Passed out some more +rep for the people who help in here. Thanks again, myself and the other moderators, as well as members of the forum appreciatte you taking the time to help.

[Riva]

I think to clarify Ken's announcement (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/announcement.php?f=23), since people seem to be less inclined to read the rules, I should quickly run off some guidelines.

Basically, spam is any of the following:
-----------------------------------------
In regards to illegal threads

Serious posts in an illegal thread, especially when you are aware it is illegal.
example: I know this is illegal, but...

Excessive flaming of the threadstarter of an illegal thread.

Informing the threadstarter that the thread is illegal, despite two or more people already posting the same information. This is just unnecessary bumping.
------------------------------------------

In regards to established threads

Posts consisting of 123, single smileys, or single words.

Double, triple, etc posting. There is an edit button for a reason.
N.B. This is strictly enforced in the Community Thread.

Flame wars, trolling and bumping of very old threads are all spam.

[Wish]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8892327

Overdone thread.

[Paranoidd]

Guys, what changed on the swear filter? I've read about it but haven't noticed anything.

[Iai]

A buttload of things got changed, but I think they've all gone back now.

Testing: fine african american gentlemens slightly confuzzled sea lions

Nope, still like it. That should say n*ggers p*ssys

Edit: What? My thread about it was deleted? Ugh.

[Syncratic]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8892788#post8892788

Advertising.

[Quintox]

sorry

[Woodstock]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371105

Another Dimebag thread.

[Lord Abortion]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371113

really... :rolleyes:

[Permanent Solution]

Man...I was beat on both problem threads... :-\

Nice job on the vigilance guys :thumb:

[black.hole.sun]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371113

really... :rolleyes:
Yea, just went to report that too.

[Follow The Reaper]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371151
I think this belongs in guitar.

[Stoic]

Advertising!
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8895976#post8895976

EDIT

this dude (see above) just keeps posting colourful ads :(
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/search.php?searchid=152804

[munky_magik]

That has already been reported two posts above yours. In future take the time to check whether or not the thing you are about to report has already been been reported, please

[hethamulburton]

That has already been reported two posts above yours. In future take the time to check whether or not the thing you are about to report has already been been reported, please

Sorry, didn't see it, and to the mods, sorry about last night, I deleted all my stuff.

[black.hole.sun]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8896495#post8896495

Horrible thread.

[Follow The Reaper]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371205
It's another Metallica Thread.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8897854&posted=1
I think belongs in Hardcore/Emo.

[clearvision]

Meh why was the Delson page thread closed?

I was looking for quite a debate there. :(

Was it counted as a vs? or wrong forum?

[SonorKen]

Sorry, didn't see it, and to the mods, sorry about last night, I deleted all my stuff.
you were this ---><--- close to a 7 day ban last night. I spent some time reviewing your posting habits and found that you post far more to the good than bad. I urge you, if you plan to be a productive member of the R&M community, to go read and remember the rules for our part of the forum.

[Follow The Reaper]

Meh why was the Delson page thread closed?

I was looking for quite a debate there. :(

Was it counted as a vs? or wrong forum?
It was turning into a vs thread.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8897926
This should be closed, we have enough GNR threads.

[clearvision]

And the Funeral for a friend thread?

I think he may have wanted to talk to rock fans about the band. Since he tried to compare them to NiN/Pearl Jam. Once people realised the thread was staying open it could have presented a good discussion.

Meh.

[Follow The Reaper]

He was asking not talking about it FFAF was emo.

[clearvision]

Yeah I know, but i felt it could have developed. Nevermind.

[guns_n_roses=Slash+Axl]

It was turning into a vs thread.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8897926
This should be closed, we have enough GNR threads.
hey dumbass it is about slash u retard.

[munky_magik]

hey dumbass it is about slash u reatrd.
You should watch what you type.

[hethamulburton]

There is a GNR thread on every page, and a VR thread, put it there next time.

[Follow The Reaper]

hey dumbass it is about slash u reatrd.
Who do people talk about in GNR threads, the music the members, and the last time I checked Slash was once a very succesful part of GNR.

[Stoic]

ArC's Album Collection
#1: Porcupine Tree- Metanoia. Space Rock from Another Planet (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=359049)
#2: Sigur Ros - (). Beauty Beyond Compare. (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363005)
#3 : Isis - Oceanic. Brooding post metal that makes you think. (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=366123)
#4: Opeth - Morningrise. Progressive Death Metal at its finest (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370013)
#5: Behold...The Arctopus- NNCS. Mathcore with no homework! (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=379754)

Byzantine's New Wave of Amazing Heavy Metal
#1 Shadows Fall (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=378218)
#2 Lamb of God (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=375622)
#3 Killswitch Engage (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=384540)
#4 Trivium (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=386567)

Cain's Celtic Crossing
Michael Hedges: Acoustic Rock Star (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=378964)

Cain's Heavy Metal's Appropriation of Classical Virtuosity
Musicologist perspective Vol. 1! (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=364192)
Part II-Ritchie Blackmore and EVH (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=367216)
Part III- RANDY RHOADS (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371290)
Part IV- Yngwie Malmsteen (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=373237)

Dancin' Man's Reasons to Be a Fan threads
#1 Behemoth (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343460)
#2 Enslaved (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=347246)
#3 Agalloch (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=354431)
#4 Slumber (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=356538)
#5 Esqarial (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=372691)
#6 Iniquity (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=373048)
#7 Anata (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=379509)
#8 Ion Dissonance (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=381419)
#9 Gorguts (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=383909)
#10 Quo Vadis (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=388214)

Follow The Reaper's Center Stage
#1 Underoath (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=373335)
#2 Mudvayne (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=376927)
#3: As I Lay Dying (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9165272)
#4 Black Label Society (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=380550)
#5 Boston ( http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=383399)

Freezing Moon's Follow the Freezing Moon
Volume I : USBM (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=374036)
Volume II : Zyklon-B (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=377910)
Volume III : Angantyr (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=379866)
Volume IV : Blut Aus Nord (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=384250)

Gagging Order's Il mio filo
#1 Sinergy - Children Of Bodom meets Iron Maiden? (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=368829)
#2 Stevie Ray Vaughan - One of the best blues guitarists ever... (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371551)

HeavyRiva's Monday Night Mayhem
4th April (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324795)
11th April (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=327371)
18th April (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=330594)
25th April (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333281)
2nd May (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336237)
9th May (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=339132)
23rd May - Back With A Vengeance (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=344401)
30th May - Coming At You Live (From A Digital Medium) (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=347084)
7th June - Riva’s Tuesday Night Trauma – read this: very IMPORTANT (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=349869)
14th June - Riva's Monday Night Mayhem: All Work And No Play Make Riva Something Something... (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=352129)
21st June - Tanks For Da New Server LOL (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=354907)
17th July - Bigger, Better and Slightly Edited (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=366527)
1st August - The Tr00dom Never Ends (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=373038)
8th August - Happy Birthday Mr. Riva (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=376470)
15th August - Riva’s Monday Night Mayhem: Aussie Aussie Aussie! (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=379311)
29th August - Hijacked by the Jombot! (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385266)
5th September - When The Black Mood's A Mockin', Don't Come A Knockin' (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=387863)

IAJP's Unsung Heroes
#1: T-Rex (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=357012)
#2: David Bowie (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=360192)
#3: Sly & The Family (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363132)
#4: Napalm Death (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=366646)
#5: Soundgarden-the garden of grunge... (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369285)
#6: (or 5.5..?) Robert Johnson-A Bluesman of the Classic age (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369861)
#7: NWA - The world's most dangerous group. (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=372376)
#8: Public Enemy - The enemy's public. ( http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=375620)
#9: Johnny Cash - The man in black's modern legacy (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=378635)
#10: Hank Williams, a country gentleman! (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=381729)

Joe's 'Probably The Best' series
#1 Angra - Probably The Best Power Metal Band You've Never Heard Of. (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=333469)
#2 Arsis - Probably The Best Melodic Death Metal Band You've Never Heard Of. (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336427[/URL)
#3 88 Fingers Louie - Probably The Best Melodic Hardcore Band You've Never Heard Of. (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=338088)
#4 Pro-Pain - Probably The Best Metal Band You've Never Heard Of. (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=345608)

Jom's Untitled
#1 My love is Music, I will marry Melody: Cold (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=379398)
#2 Just try and hold me down: TRUSTcompany ( http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=383254)

Lunch’s What's for Lunch
#1 Jefferson Airplane (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=360383)
#2 Traffic (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363178)
#3: Spirit (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=366277)
#4: Quicksilver Messenger Service (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=369337)
#5: Cream (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=374900)
#6: The New Riders of the Purple Sage (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=383777)
A side dish of John Bonham (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=384889)
A side dish of Ginger Baker (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=386529)

Magicaltroll's OMGWAGB Series
#1 Pig Destroyer (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=359806)
#2 Meshuggah (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=384333)

Med57’s Great Years in Music
#1 1967 (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=335306)
#2 1994 (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=335866)
#3 1986 (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336731)
#4 1970 (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=338349)

Mekkalayakay's Broadening Your Musical Tastes
Broadening Your Musical Tastes #1 (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=373566)
Broadening Your Musical Tastes #2 (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=375555)

Moses's Classical Education
#1 Leonard Bernstein, Where Would You Be Without West Side Story? (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=368370)
#2 Chopin (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343920)
#3 John Williams- He's moved you when you may not have known it (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371784)
#4 Rachmaninoff, Haunting isn't it? (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=374031)

[SonorKen]

hey dumbass it is about slash u retard.
Don't talk like that to other forum members. When someone slams you I don't want to hear any whining at all.


Thanks for your help Stoic. When I can +rep you I will.

[hethamulburton]

Can you please get rid of this:
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8899822#post8899822

[Arucard]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8900233#post8900233

Dumb thread.

[Dude3]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8900556&postcount=50
Please give a warning to this over-reactive Bipolar n00b.

And close the thread that Arucard asked to be closed. It has become a Spam Cinco de Mayo.

EDIT: Yet another sign of his ignorance
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8900650&postcount=63

[Mekkalayakay]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371262&page=1&pp=25

It's been posted two or three times already, but here's my suggestion:

Don't close it. Just move it into the Pit.


edit: nevermind. :upset: You obviously don't think it's worthy. closed.++

[Syncratic]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371297

Illegal Slipknot thread.

[Cain]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=354944

It is time to close this. It is showing no signs of dying but it has needed to for the past three weeks or so. The last thirty pages, I'll wager has consisted of Steerpike angrily slamming down the door on every noob that comes in with a dumb suggestion. It is advancing itself currently because nobody is going to read a 65 page thread in its entirety to ensure that their idea hasn't already been thought of, so they post and Steerpike "bitch slaps" and on and on. Nothing against Steerpike, he's held down the fort for a long while. But the activity in there has been so circular that the thread is doing absolutely nothing useful.

[Jom]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371297

Slipknot thread that never got closed, no thanks to an untimely bump.

[heavy metal kid]

i'm looking for the what's name of that song, lyric, artist thread, but the link on the rules thread doesn't work.

can anyone give me a valid link?

[BoboTheRagingHobo]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370656

Some re**** bumped this dead and illegal thread just to say something completely pointless.

[Jom]

Please close RMOTM when you have a chance. (http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=370935)

Thanks.

[SonorKen]

Took care of everything from post#7203 down. I banned the one guy that bumped the illegal thread to try to lower Hobos blood pressure.

[Kingofdudes]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371372

see the first reply

[Six Foot Revolver]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8904559#post8904559
I have guided him on his way and this can now be closed :)

[SonorKen]

Already got it bro, thanks man. I was posting the link when you did!

[Follow The Reaper]

This may sound odd, but under everyones post it says sentaces that are outlined. Like for SonorKen is says "SonorKen has a reputation Beyond repute", and for Six Foot Revolver it says "Six Foot Revolver Is A Jewel in the rough", why is it doing this?

[Mr Herb]

huh? I dont see what you are talking about

[Follow The Reaper]

Well it just started happening like 10 minutes ago, and it has never happened before.

[Riva]

This may sound odd, but under everyones post it says sentaces that are outlined. Like for SonorKen is says "SonorKen has a reputation Beyond repute", and for Six Foot Revolver it says "Six Foot Revolver Is A Jewel in the rough", why is it doing this?

It's to do with reputation. Simply highlight all of the information in your avatar box, and copy and paste it into word. It'll show you your message, based on your reputation.

Certain browsers display this whilst loading.

Mine is "HeavyRiva is a splendid one to behold"

"Mr. Herb will be famous soon enough"

"Follow The Reaper will be famous soon enough"

"Lunch is a jewel in the rough"

"Six Foot Revolver is a jewel in the rough"

etc...

[Mr Herb]

Cool, am gonna try that

[Six Foot Revolver]

Well it just started happening like 10 minutes ago, and it has never happened before.
Everyones always had one but they are invisible and have to be copy/pasted to see but I have no idea why they have become visible for you all of a sudden.

[Lunch]

Wait, where do you find these?

[Follow The Reaper]

OH, thanks guys, I thought there was something wrong with my computer.

[BoboTheRagingHobo]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=371398

No need for another one of these threads, his question has been answered.

[Six Foot Revolver]

Could you possibly do something about ICB? All he does on MX is spam up the community thread and it is getting extremely annoying. You don't need to ban him or anything just give him a warning.

[Riva]

Could you possibly do something about ICB? All he does on MX is spam up the community thread and it is getting extremely annoying. You don't need to ban him or anything just give him a warning.

Just direct to this post.

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8891667&postcount=7175

[Shred Danson]

Alright, I'll cool it down, I've been trying to do more non-community thread posting and I was aware that all I've been doing lately is posting in that thread. Sorry about that.

:(

[SonorKen]

ICB, consider this your official warning.

Hey Riva, thanks for the post about the announcement, I added your post to the announcement.

[guns_n_roses=Slash+Axl]

can u please reopen the slash thread they are some genral discusion of slash and others in there. also follow the reaper is going around to each thread and if he doesn't like it he asks you to close it.

[Shred Danson]

ICB, consider this your official warning.

No problem. I've been trying to do a lot more non-community posting, mainly has to do with 1).procrastination and 2). the whole ordeal with the old computer being a piece of crap. But I'm going to get back on track now.

[SonorKen]

can u please reopen the slash thread they are some genral discusion of slash and others in there. also follow the reaper is going around to each thread and if he doesn't like it he asks you to close it.
No, the thread turned to crap. People arguing about who could shred and who couldnt and other useless stuff. If you want to make a dedicated Slash thread try it in the guitar forum.

[SonorKen]

No problem. I've been trying to do a lot more non-community posting, mainly has to do with 1).procrastination and 2). the whole ordeal with the old computer being a piece of crap. But I'm going to get back on track now.
Cool, productive members in R&M rule, we can always use more.

[guns_n_roses=Slash+Axl]

okay

[guns_n_roses=Slash+Axl]

i have a question for u guys? why did the best rock and metal videos get closed?

[Riva]

There was only 0.5% worthwhile discussion in there. In addition, most Best threads are flagrant violations of the rules of this forum.

[SonorKen]

i have a question for u guys? why did the best rock and metal videos get closed?
You really should go read the rules for R&M, you can answer these questions yourself.

[Shred Danson]

Cool, productive members in R&M rule, we can always use more.

I used to be one! :lol:

[SonorKen]

Check out the rules, I added one about Dimebag threads. Pass the word around, thanks people!

[jpshortstuff]

^^^^ You posted in a thread that is against the rules, reported it, and got yourself banned.


im sorry, but i didnt know it was an illegal thread because the poll hadnt come up yet, so i didnt know it was a blah Vs blah thread

[SonorKen]

im sorry, but i didnt know it was an illegal thread because the poll hadnt come up yet, so i didnt know it was a blah Vs blah thread
Its all cool, just be sure to read ver the rules for R&M again.

Hey Stoic, ++rep for your help earlier.....

[Six Foot Revolver]

http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8908939#post8908939
This should have been in the Sabbath thread