In Grind We Crust

[Feel The Darkness]

IN GRIND WE CRUST
Crust, Grind, and Power Violence Discussion Thread

What is Crust?
Crust is an evolved form of hardcore punk. It has been described as
apocalyptic hardcore with a tinge of metal. Its lyrics are usually
very political in nature, dealing with everything from squatting, to
veganism, to anarchy, and to animal rights. Taking elements from
anarcho and grind, crust bands have come up with their own original
sound, which can vary from slow and sludgy, to blisteringly fast. Some
early bands include Antischism, Amebix, and Deviated Instinct, who
originally coined the term "crust" as it was originally called
"stenchcore". Current crust bands include World Burns To Death, Behind
Enemy Lines, Hellshock, and Subvert Citizens.
What are some Crust band?
Accion Mutante
All Is Suffering
Amebix
AnarchOi
Anarcrust
Another Oppressive System
Anti Cimex
Anti-Product
Antischism
Armagedom
Asschapel
Assembly of God
Atrocious Madness
Aus-Rotten
Autoritär
Avskum
Axe Grinder
Axiom
Bastard
Battle of Disarm
Behind Enemy Lines
Behind Glass Shadows
Blacken the Skies
Born/Dead
Bread and Water
Bread Lines At Gunpoint
Christdriver
Civil Disobedience
Cluster Bomb Unit*
Code 13
Confuse
Cress
Crimenes De Guerra
Cripple Bastards (crust/grind)
Crow
Crude SS
Crustina Aguilera
Decontrol
Defector
Deformed Conscience
Desobediencia Civil
Destroy
Detestation
Dimlaia
Disaffect
Disarm
Dischange
Diskonto
Disrupt
Dissected Human Brains
Doom
Dot****ingCom
Doves Lie Dead
Dropdead
Dystopia
Effigy
Electro Hippies
Excrement of War
Extinction of Mankind
Extreme Noise Terror
Fleas and Lice (anarcho/crust)
Framtid
From Ashes Rise*
Garmonbozia
Gloom
Greed
H-100
Hellnation
Hellshock
Hiatus
His Hero Is Gone*
Humanicide
Jesus Chrust
Kakistocracy
Karst
Katastrofialu
Kegcharge
Kylesa
Leveling, The
Massgrave
Masskontroll
Misery
Mob 47
Murderers
N.O.T.A.
Nausea
PrÄparation-H
Reality Crisis
Remains of the Day
Resist and Exist
Resistant Culture
Riistetyt
Severed Head of State
Shitlickers
Skarp
Skitsystem
Social Unrest
State of Fear
TerroRhythm
Totalitar
Toxic Narcotic
Tragedy*
Wake up On Fire
Warcollapse
Warcry
Warfair?
Wolfbrigade (Wolfpack)
World Burns To Death
Zoe

*explained in rest of thread

What is Grind/Grindcore?
Grindcore is a very intense genre that is the furthest expansion of Hardcore Punk. Grindcore stands for Hardcore that grinds. It started out in Great Britain with the band Napalm Death and it's genre defining album Scum. This beginning sound was million mile per hour political protests from teenagers screaming their throats out. Over the years the genre has expanded and mated with the metal genre death metal and thus commercialized the genre somewhat for bands that took this mating and adapted it to their sound. Though nowadays there are some bands who are still true to the original sound of a warp speed revolution. This is musical holocaust with pure decimation in the fore.

What are some grind bands?

50/50
Agoraphobic Nosebleed
Assuck
Bathtub Shitter
Birdflesh
Bolt Thrower
Burnt by the Sun
Cannibal Corpse
Carcass
Cephalic Carnage
Cripple Bastards
Discordance Axis
Destroyer Destroyer
Ed Gein
Excruciating Terror
****...I'm Dead
**** the Facts
The Great Redneck Hope
Insect Warfare
Kill the Client
Leng Tch'e
Napalm Death
Nasum
Negligent Collateral Collaspe
Phobia
Pig Destroyer
Plaid Retina
Pretty Little Flower
Repulsion
Terrorize

What is Power Violence?
Power Violence is a sub genre of grindcore, and contains shrieked, high pitched vocals, very fast guitar, and very fast drums, using blast beats very often. Songs are played at such break-neck speed that power violence songs are often no more than 1 minute long, and are at times as short as 20 seconds long. Power Violence was pioneered in the 80's, from bands such as Infest, and Siege. It had it's greatest explosion in the early 90's, often refered to as the second wave of power violence, containing bands such as **** on the Beach, Charles Bronson, and Spazz. Bands such as Capitalist Casualties, Man Is the Bastard, and No Comment were called the first wave of power violence.

What are some Power Violence bands?
Black Army Jacket
Capitalist Casuatlies
Chainsaw to the Face
Charles Bronson
Crom
Crossed Out
Despise You
Dropdead
**** on the Beach
Godstomper
Grave Digger, Like the Monster Truck
Hellnation
Infest
Kung-Fu Rick
Lack of Interest
LARM
Left for Dead
The Locust
Machine Gun Romantics
Man is the Bastard
Mind Eraser
Neanderthal
No Comment
RAMBO
Rocket Attack
PrÄparAtion-H
Siege
Stapled Shut
Spazz
twodeadslutsonegood****
Yacøpsæ

[SantaDuJuan]

Electro Hippies.....

[NewKindofArmy03]

i would call tragedy hardcore. i haven't heard much crust so i can't really help you. i guess anti product is a crust band, and it's a different band then the one with the guy who wears a mask.

[Feel The Darkness]

i wouldnt say Anti-Product is Crust...they're more Anarcho IMO, but they do have a certain Crust sound to it...screw it, ill add em em...great band either way

[nufan626]

isnt aus rotten anarcho? ive never heard them just heard them discussed on here.

[TheRapeGoesOn]

nice list, some bands do verge between crust and anarcho, so they can safetely go in either

aus rotten do have anarcho lyrics, but are pretty heavy.

[SantaDuJuan]

nice list, some bands do verge between crust and anarcho, so they can safetely go in either

aus rotten do have anarcho lyrics, but are pretty heavy.



very true

[Feel The Darkness]

yea, they are a great band, and if ye like Aus-Rotten, check out their new bands, Behind Enemy Lines, more metal guitar riffs than the other bands on there, and Caustic Christ, good ol' blast your head Crust...saw Caustic Christ in February with the Subhumans...great show...:thumb:

[Feel The Darkness]

and if ye want a bigger list of bands (websites), goto my site: Atomic Waste (http://www.geocities.com/jatomic89)...i got plenty of links to different bands' websites...and shops, and metal bands...:thumb:

[NewKindofArmy03]

yea, they are a great band, and if ye like Aus-Rotten, check out their new bands, Behind Enemy Lines, more metal guitar riffs than the other bands on there, and Caustic Christ, good ol' blast your head Crust...saw Caustic Christ in February with the Subhumans...great show...:thumb:
yeah, i checked them out before and i liked them a lot.

[Evanw]

conflict

[Alley McSqueal]

Yeah, Conflict are definately crust...Evan you twat, lol

I wouldnt call Electro Hippies, Harum Scarum, or Brother Inferior crust....

But whatever! :)

[Stu Pidfuk]

I think your list is sexy.

Capitalist Casualties?

[Evanw]

Yeah, Conflict are definately crust...Evan you twat, lol

I wouldnt call Electro Hippies, Harum Scarum, or Brother Inferior crust....

But whatever! :)

thats what happen when your really high

[Misfits_scream13]

Disorder.

[Alley McSqueal]

Disorder crust?! No way.

[Stu Pidfuk]

Power Violence > Crust

[Feel The Darkness]

yea, i wouldnt say Disorder is, but i know that Harum Scarum is, and i havent heard Electro Hippies...and i wasnt sure about Brother Inferior...

[Misfits_scream13]

Disorder is power violence? wtf is power violence?

[PunksDead]

To me, power violence is just a crust-hardcore combination

[Feel The Darkness]

never heard of power violence, since crust is a combo of hardcore, anarcho (in some cases), and a tinge of metal...

[milano mosh]

Aus-Rotten
Caustic Christ
Doom
Nausea
Toxic Narcotic
Vitamin X
Wolfbrigade (Wolfpack)

I know and like those bands, so now it's time to check out more :thumb:

[Feel The Darkness]

you do that, im sure you'll like it, as would most guys who like metal...

[Alley McSqueal]

Disorder arent power violence, theyre street punk! Just politically aware street punk.

[Feel The Darkness]

hey, whoever is able to sticky topics, oughta sticky this one and the Anarcho one Meg made for referance for anyone who wants to know about either Crust or Anarcho...:thumb:

[Feel The Darkness]

yo JmE, i think ye oughta sticky this one and Meg's thread on Anarcho....it'll stop from dumb threads on these genres...hell you guys stickied the hardcore/metalcore one, so why not these...

[Feel The Darkness]

i know this is an old thread, but it is a prettyg ood one for those who want to knwo if a band they like is crust, or to find out what crust is, etc...but yea, i added more bands to it, so yea, ask me any questions on crust if ye got any...:chug:

[TheUngovernableForce]

well i saw Meg make a topic for Anarcho Bands, so ima make one for Crust bands...

All Is Suffering
Amebix
Anti-Product
Assembly of God
Aus-Rotten
Avskum
Battle of Disarm
Behind Enemy Lines
Bread and Water
Bread Lines At Gunpoint
Caustic Christ
Cluster Bomb Unit
Damage Deposit
Destroy
Doom
Dropdead
Dystopia
Excrement of War
Extinction of Mankind
Extreme Noise Terror
From Ashes Rise
Hellnation
Hiatus
His Hero Is Gone
Jesus Chrust
Leveling, The
Masskontroll
Misery
Nausea
R.A.M.B.O.
Skitsystem
State of Fear
Totalitar
Toxic Narcotic
Tragedy
Vitamin X
Warcollapse
Wolfbrigade (Wolfpack)

if there're bands you dont think are Crust, or if you know some i don't, let me know... :thumb:

Band Count: 38

...i know there are more...
Nice **** list my friend. :thumb:

[Andytheluddite]

well i saw Meg make a topic for Anarcho Bands, so ima make one for Crust bands...

All Is Suffering
Amebix
Anti-Product
Assembly of God
Aus-Rotten
Avskum
Battle of Disarm
Behind Enemy Lines
Bread and Water
Bread Lines At Gunpoint
Caustic Christ
Cluster Bomb Unit
Damage Deposit
Destroy
Doom
Dropdead
Dystopia
Excrement of War
Extinction of Mankind
Extreme Noise Terror
From Ashes Rise
Hellnation
Hiatus
His Hero Is Gone
Jesus Chrust
Leveling, The
Masskontroll
Misery
Nausea
R.A.M.B.O.
Skitsystem
State of Fear
Totalitar
Toxic Narcotic
Tragedy
Vitamin X
Warcollapse
Wolfbrigade (Wolfpack)

if there're bands you dont think are Crust, or if you know some i don't, let me know... :thumb:

Band Count: 38

...i know there are more...
The bolded bands are some bands I dont really consider crust...

[Videric]

Asschapel! what the **** is wrong with you shi'ts??

Also - neither are CBU or Destroy.

[Feel The Darkness]

aight so some are more on the hardcore side rather than crust although they'd fit better with crust than some things, but yea i agree with andy on the Vitamin X one...i was never too sure on CBU but im pretty sure Destroy are crust for the most part

[Feel The Darkness]

*UPDATE*
Axe Grinder
Massgrave
TerroRhythm
Warfair?

[SantaDuJuan]

*UPDATE*
Axe Grinder
Massgrave
TerroRhythm
Warfair?


You so just wanted to bump this thread.

[Alley McSqueal]

My friends started a collective/distro called Warfair?

[honkybrewster]

You so just wanted to bump this thread.
It's a good thread though. In fact, I think I'll add it to my list.

[El_Shiznit]

You so just wanted to bump this thread.
The almighty rules state that you can bump this and other select threads.

[sketchyjoe]

I still think that ENT is grindcore. Or at least some of their stuff is.

[SantaDuJuan]

The almighty rules state that you can bump this and other select threads.


It is a good thread. I was just teasing. :(

[The_Gardener]

ENT did support nasum a while back, but then again crust, grind and hardcore are very similar... i dont like it when people get too anal about categorizing bands. Its just good music, you dont need to get too bogged down with sub-genres.

[nitzguy]

pardon my stupidy, but what is "crust". whats the diff between archo and "crust"?

[Evanw]

pardon my stupidy, but what is "crust". whats the diff between archo and "crust"?

listen to crass, then listen to destroy. see the difference?

[NewKindofArmy03]

Im gonna check out some of these other bands. Every band i've heard on the list I liked a lot. I've been listening to Behind Enemy Lines a lot lately.

[Evanw]

behind enemy lines is awsome

[NewKindofArmy03]

Do they still tour and all? I can't find a site or anything from google.

[Evanw]

to be honest, im not sure. but i dont think they do. i saw the guitarist a month ago in NY at abc no rio.

[Feel The Darkness]

Do they still tour and all? I can't find a site or anything from google.
http://www.wearebehindenemylines.com

you shoulda just asked...haha...see, ppl tease me for advertising my site alot on here, but the truth is, this is why i have the site to begin with...its kinda a directory of sorts, for bands, labels, stores...whatever deals with the underground music scene...so just goto http://www.atomicwaste.cjb.net :thumb:

and they dont tour often, but as shown on the site, they're doing a Euro-tour later this year...sucks for us in the states though...

[Feel The Darkness]

*UPDATE*
Anarcrust
Chaos UK
Civil Disobedience
Code 13
Cripple Bastards (crust/grind)
Crude SS
Deformed Conscience
Desobediencia Civil
Hellshock
PrÄparation-H
Warcry
World Burns To Death

[Feel The Darkness]

oh, and someone edit Bartender's post in the "Rules - Read Before Posting!" thread...just to fix the link to this thread....cause i tried using it when i was gonna update it and the link was dead, so since the thread is back on the 1st page, might as well take advantage and fix that link...if no one minds doing it, thx :chug:

[Recharged]

you forgot..
mob 47,

Amebix.. is not a crust tho

[FishSauce]

you forgot..
mob 47,

Amebix.. is not a crust tho
Happy first post! :wave:

But don't bump two day old threads.

[Feel The Darkness]

Happy first post! :wave:

But don't bump two day old threads.
:wave:

read the rules thread, this one is included in those you could bump no matter how old, its an educational thread...biznatch

[NarcoticBomb]

[QUOTE=JAtomic]well i saw Meg make a topic for Anarcho Bands, so ima make one for Crust bands...

All Is Suffering
Amebix
Anarcrust
Anti-Product
Asschapel
Assembly of God
Aus-Rotten
Avskum
Axe Grinder
Battle of Disarm
Behind Enemy Lines
Bread and Water
Bread Lines At Gunpoint
Caustic Christ*
Chaos UK*
Civil Disobedience
Cluster Bomb Unit*
Code 13
Cripple Bastards (crust/grind)
Crude SS
Damage Deposit*
Deformed Conscience
Desobediencia Civil
Destroy
Doom
Dropdead
Dystopia
Excrement of War
Extinction of Mankind
Extreme Noise Terror
From Ashes Rise*
Hellnation
Hellshock
Hiatus
His Hero Is Gone*
Jesus Chrust
Leveling, The
Massgrave
Masskontroll
Misery
Nausea
PrÄparation-H
R.A.M.B.O.*
Skitsystem
State of Fear
TerroRhythm
Totalitar
Toxic Narcotic
Tragedy*
Warcollapse
Warcry
Warfair?
Wolfbrigade (Wolfpack)
World Burns To Death

*explained in rest of thread

I think u guys forgot about hellbastard and greed also assuk oh and um resist and exist

[Feel The Darkness]

Hellbastard is more grindcore as is Assuck, havent heard Greed, and im not too sure on Resist and Exist...but ill add Greed and Resist and Exist for now...the other though id say were more grindocre, if more ppl say they go in crust well than ill add em...

[jeremy]

hey jatomic are you from arizona? If not how have you heard of warfair?

[AcidPolice]

i dunno if this helps or not, but i bought a S.O.A. compilation from relapse.com in the crust section. the bands are as follows:
assuck
society of jesus
anal cunt
dudman
cripple bastards
morsaegenservice
bloodred bacteria
super sexi porno
gerogerigegege
disrupt
dogfight
agathocles
nagant 1895
cracked cop skulls
****ing blood
7 minutes of nausea
charred remains AKA man is the bastard
dogmatized
total ****ing destruction
rotten sound
obtrude
bloodsuckingfreaks
end of silence

obvious grind, crust and noise for the most part

[Feel The Darkness]

hey jatomic are you from arizona? If not how have you heard of warfair?
nah, im from Texas, though i have Warfair? on Myspace, so yea...i heard em through one of the crust groups i post in

[Feel The Darkness]

i dunno if this helps or not, but i bought a S.O.A. compilation from relapse.com in the crust section. the bands are as follows:
assuck
society of jesus
anal cunt
dudman
cripple bastards
morsaegenservice
bloodred bacteria
super sexi porno
gerogerigegege
disrupt
dogfight
agathocles
nagant 1895
cracked cop skulls
****ing blood
7 minutes of nausea
charred remains AKA man is the bastard
dogmatized
total ****ing destruction
rotten sound
obtrude
bloodsuckingfreaks
end of silence

obvious grind, crust and noise for the most part
i havent heard soem fo those, but for the most part, that list is grind and noise...not much crust from what i see...but yet again i havent heard all those bands...

[RetiredAt21]

I know we have plenty of crust fans in the punk forum, but how many grind fans do we have? I'd like to start some good discussion about grind/crust, your favorite bands, etc.


Grind
Agoraphobic Nosebleed
Anal C'unt
A'sshole Parade
A'ssuck
Bathtub S'hitter
Bodies in the Gears of the Apparatus
Bruce Banner
Cephalic Carnage
Cluster Bomb Unit
Combatwoundedveteran
Concubine, The
Cripple Bastards
Crotchduster
Daughters
Deadwater Drowning
Ed Gein
Everyone I Know Must Die
F'uck...I'm Dead
Great Redneck Hope, The
Heavy Heavy Low Low
Holy Molar
Iron Lung
Locust, The
Napalm Death
Nasum
PETA Is At The Door And I'm Holding A Gun To The Cat's Head
Phobia
Pig Destroyer
Plot To Blow Up The Eiffel Tower
Robinson
Sawtooth Grin, The
Siege
Sore Throat
Swallowing S'hit
Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza
Umbrella
Vincent Price's Orphan Powered Death Machine

Powerviolence
ACxDC
Charles Bronson
In/Humanity

Noise
Melt Banana


Black Metal
Vlad Tepes
1349
Marduk
Anaal Nathrakh
Darkthrone
Dark Funeral
Mayhem
Burzum
Summoning
Gorgoroth
Ulver
Craft
Isengard
Finntroll
Emperor
Immortal
Ancient
Bathory
Behemoth
Enlsaved
Frozen Shadows
Hellhammer
Rotting Christ
Belial
Dissection
Graveland
Zyklon-B

Death Metal/Melodic Deathl
Aborted
Amon Amarth
At The Gates
Auburn System, The
Beneath The Massacre
Black Dahlia Murder, The
Cannibal Corpse
Capital Tragedy
Carcass
Cattle Decapitation
Cryptopsy
Dark Tranquility
Decapitated
Deicide
In Flames
Into The Moat
Macabre
Necrophagist
Nile
Vital Remains
Vornagar

Crust Band List (http://sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211847)

[sketchyjoe]

I like Swallowing ****. ****... I'm Dead are pretty good too.

[Brain Toad]

I like some Grind, but not a lot. It gets annoying pretty fast.

[metty16]

Vincent Price's Orphan Powered Death Machine



That is the best band name I have ever heard

[metty16]

Agnostic Front are good

[Tjebby]

Blood Brothers? I think they are grind... I like them.

[yo?]

Aren't Daughters a bit of grind? They are good in small doses.

[Anxious]

I like some Grind, but not a lot. It gets annoying pretty fast.
^^^

[chairman02]

I love Pig Destroyer.

[RetiredAt21]

Blood Brothers aren't grind at all. Daughters are "white belt" grind. They have some grind aspects about them, but aren't tr00 grind.

[Brain Toad]

Agnostic Front are good

They are far from grind or crust.

[Vietnow]

I've always loved the name "Agoraphobic Nosebleed." Going to download some of them now.

[religionisascam]

I like Swallowing ****.
Pretty much the only grind band I like. Probably because Todd the Rod was in that band...

[RetiredAt21]

Who is Todd the Rod?

[sketchyjoe]

Propagandhi bass player.

[RetiredAt21]

Ooooh. I'll check them (Swallowing ****) out.

[blurg.]

CombatWoundedVeteran is one of my favorites along with as the sun sets.

I hung out with Josh from Bodies In The Gears Of The Apparatus after we played a show. . very nice guy and amazing to see live.

[The Cameo Role]

Napalm Death You Fags

[RetiredAt21]

Napalm Death is awesome.

[Major General Despair]

Siege

[panasonic youth]

Isn't anal cunt grind too. And of course, napalm kick some major ***.

[Sid Ramone]

Nasum are one of my favorite grind bands.

[RetiredAt21]

Anal Cunt are grind. I like them, I think they are pretty funny in a moronic sort of way.

[RetiredAt21]

Ah yes, I forgot all about Nasum. They are elite.

[tuck down torso]

Napalm.

[RetiredAt21]

Did anyone hear any of Napalm Death's new stuff?

[metty16]

They are far from grind or crust.


what are they then?

[chairman02]

what are they then?


Hardcore. Older hardcore.

[RetiredAt21]

Old school hardcore.

[chairman02]

My point exactly.

[RetiredAt21]

Does anyone like Crotchduster?

[mole]

bathtub shitter

[RetiredAt21]

Hahaha, wow.

[Brain Toad]

what are they then?

Hardcore-Punk, New York Hardcore to be precise.

[metty16]

when I think about it, I see what your sayin'. They aren't crust...

[RetiredAt21]

They are far far removed from crust.

[LTJ386]

Nice thread title.

[NewKindofArmy03]

I'm not into much grind. Rotten Sound and Magrudergrind are pretty good, in addition to some of the ones mentioned.

[smokersdieyounger]

I like napalm death and nasum, but will get hold of soome other stuff soon.

[Oi_bass_77]

If were talking about crust then Anti Product is the best.

[Scabies]

Did anyone hear any of Napalm Death's new stuff?

Yeah, i prefer it to the older stuff. They come out with some f'ucking sick riffs on basically every song.

[blurg.]

If were talking about crust then Anti Product is the best

Deafening Silence of Grinding Gears is one of my favorite lps.

Anyone ever listen to Guyana Punch Line or .fúckingcom?

[RetiredAt21]

I haven't heard any of the new stuff. I'd like to hear some of it.

[AIRIC]

Grind is good in very small doses.

[RetiredAt21]

Why does everyone say that? If you can only listen to it in small doses, you probably aren't listening to very good bands.

[AIRIC]

They all sound the same, what's the difference?

[RetiredAt21]

They don't all sound the same. There is a huge difference between Napalm Death and Nasum.

[puredemocracy]

HAHAHAHA. Someone said Agnostic Front, I won't bash him/her though. But it did give me a laugh. They use old school styled hardcore, otherwise noted as hardcore punk now. The singer is pretty gangsta in the music videos though? Haha. Okay, I don't normally like grind, but Napalm death and Anal Cunt are okay. Origin is just crap. Uhm. crust punk... fleas and lice and assrash sound good. They both have a split they put out together that someone sent me before. Nothing beats the song, Jesus wuz a drunk. haha.

[RetiredAt21]

Assrash is pretty good.

[Major General Despair]

Seriously, everyone listen to Siege.

[RetiredAt21]

I'll check them out.

[AIRIC]

I downloaded Swallowing ****. Lets see.

[RetiredAt21]

Huh?

[thefictionwelive]

I like some Grind, but not a lot. It gets annoying pretty fast.

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[blurg.]

I used to have Siege dropdead lp.. They are really good, just wish they stuck around longer.

[Feel The Darkness]

aww ****, i was hoping this'd be a thread about Phobia. but close enough, haha. im actually getting Phobia's In Grind We Crust design tattoed, just without the band name. http://punkstuff.com/done/PHOBIA_INGRINDWECRUST.gif

as for my fav grind/crust bands, and ima add in powerviolence and noisecore to go with it, since it kinda goes with the style and some d-beat since all those genres tiue in well with each other:
Phobia
Napalm Death
Warcollapse
Wolfbrigade
Nasum
Assuck
Los Crudos
Charles Bronson
Siege
Bruce Banner
Kegcharge
Extreme Noise Terror
TerroRain
Ulcer
Failure Face
and the list goes on and on

[RetiredAt21]

Charles Bronson is a quality band.

[Feel The Darkness]

Charles Bronson is a quality band.
:thumb:

[An Albatross]

charles Bronson

[Major General Despair]

aww ****, i was hoping this'd be a thread about Phobia. but close enough, haha. im actually getting Phobia's In Grind We Crust design tattoed, just without the band name. http://punkstuff.com/done/PHOBIA_INGRINDWECRUST.gif

as for my fav grind/crust bands, and ima add in powerviolence and noisecore to go with it, since it kinda goes with the style and some d-beat since all those genres tiue in well with each other:
Phobia
Napalm Death
Warcollapse
Wolfbrigade
Nasum
Assuck
Los Crudos
Charles Bronson
Siege
Bruce Banner
Kegcharge
Extreme Noise Terror
TerroRain
Ulcer
Failure Face
and the list goes on and on


I wish Siege had more songs :upset:

[RetiredAt21]

Did Siege break up or something?

[Scabies]

I think Dropdead was the only LP they made or something?

[Feel The Darkness]

I think Dropdead was the only LP they made or something?
if i remember right they did a split with another band, but i may be wrong, so dont qoute me on that.

[Major General Despair]

I think Dropdead was the only LP they made or something?


Yeah, they recorded 9 songs and broke up. Think they reformed for a bit in 92 with Seth Putnam, but it didn't last long, or something.



JAtomic probably knows more than me, hehe. J, do you ever listen to Jellyroll Rockhead? Good Japanese thrash band.

[RetiredAt21]

Speaking of Seth Putnam, I heard he committed suicide. Can anyone confirm this?

[Feel The Darkness]

Yeah, they recorded 9 songs and broke up. Think they reformed for a bit in 92 with Seth Putnam, but it didn't last long, or something.



JAtomic probably knows more than me, hehe. J, do you ever listen to Jellyroll Rockhead? Good Japanese thrash band.
sounds inetersting, ill have to look into that. although like i said, i may be wrong about the Siege split. i'd have to look around, but i remember seeing one somewhere. but for now, lets keep it at the LP, and if i find that split again, we'll all rejoice :lol:

Speaking of Seth Putnam, I heard he committed suicide. Can anyone confirm this?
i hope so

[RetiredAt21]

You don't like Anal Cunt JAtomic?

[Major General Despair]

A friend tells me there is a bootleg that's a split with Deep Wound, with Walls, Sad but True, and Cold War on it.

[Feel The Darkness]

You don't like Anal Cunt JAtomic?
no, i despise that ****ing band

A friend tells me there is a bootleg that's a split with Deep Wound, with Walls, Sad but True, and Cold War on it.
wow, that sounds interesting, if anyone gets there hands on a copy (digital or physical) pass on the goodness :thumb:

[RetiredAt21]

Why do you hate Anal Cunt so much JAtomic?

[Toe Rag]

no, i despise that ****ing band


wow, that sounds interesting, if anyone gets there hands on a copy (digital or physical) pass on the goodness :thumb:
It's a split with Deep Wound, who was around about 1 year or so before Siege and from the same area. They pretty much invented the blast beat. They're not purely grind, but some raging hardcore. I have some on SlSk, if you have it.


Also, like someone else said, Blood Brother aren't grind AT ALL. They're not even hardcore.

My favorite "grind" bands are:

Yacøpsæ
Crossed Out
Siege
Despise You
Hellnation
Birdflesh
Cripple Bastards
Active Minds
Orchid
Electro Hippies
Lärm

probably some other stuff too

[RetiredAt21]

Orchid and Cripple Bastards are awesome.

[Scabies]

Orchid are grind?!

[Toe Rag]

emoey powerviolence, hence my "s around grind.

[RetiredAt21]

No, they are screamo.

[Toe Rag]

No.

[Scabies]

emoey powerviolence, hence my "s around grind.

Yeah thats what i thought, so seeing them labelled as grind confused me. I get it now :p

[RetiredAt21]

I'm pretty sure they are screamo.

[Toe Rag]

They get called screamo or even emo violence but I don't think that accurately describes their music. They don't sound like Raein or Saetia or anything ("screamo") and emo violence I don't even think one could consider a subgenre. I choose to call them powerviolence because I think that best describes them. It really isn't important though cos they rule.

[RetiredAt21]

Saetia isn't really screamo though, they don't go chaotic but once in a while. Screamo is supposed to be chaotic. Orchid is pretty chaotic.

[Toe Rag]

I dunno about that, bra.

http://www.geocities.com/noise_audio/siege-dropdead.mp3
http://www.geocities.com/noise_audio/siege-lifeofhate.mp3


Some Siege songs for you.

[RetiredAt21]

Thanks for the Siege songs, they are really good.

[Toe Rag]

Oh, and to clarify about Siege and any releases they had, they had 0 releases. They released three songs, "Cold War," "Sad but True" and "Wall," on a compilation called Cleanse the Bacteria which is the only official release they ever did. They recorded a demo tape with their other 6 songs on it. They broke up some time after that, and the tape got bootlegged as a 7" called Drop Dead, probably from the first name. Thier three songs from that comp. also got bootlegged as a split 7" with Deep Wound. Relapse remastered the songs in 1994 or something and released it as a CD. Last year Deep Six released it as an LP. Like Major General Despair said, they reformed briefly in the early 90s with Seth Putnam on vocals instead of Kevin Mahoney. It all fell apart and probably for the better.

[RetiredAt21]

Speaking of Seth Putnam, has anyone heard his joke black metal band Impaled Northern Moonforest? It's pretty funny stuff.

[Toe Rag]

Yeah, I love the cover and track names.

Oh, and no I'm pretty sure he didn't commit suicide. He was in a comma for like 3 months or something but I heard he's out of it now. You could probably check out his website. http://www.sethputnam.com/

[Feel The Darkness]

Oh, and to clarify about Siege and any releases they had, they had 0 releases. They released three songs, "Cold War," "Sad but True" and "Wall," on a compilation called Cleanse the Bacteria which is the only official release they ever did. They recorded a demo tape with their other 6 songs on it. They broke up some time after that, and the tape got bootlegged as a 7" called Drop Dead, probably from the first name. Thier three songs from that comp. also got bootlegged as a split 7" with Deep Wound. Relapse remastered the songs in 1994 or something and released it as a CD. Last year Deep Six released it as an LP. Like Major General Despair said, they reformed briefly in the early 90s with Seth Putnam on vocals instead of Kevin Mahoney. It all fell apart and probably for the better.
much thx for that. :thumb:

and im pretty sure ive gotten stuff off of ye before on slsk. though ye always have huge queues. oh well.

oh and Retired, about AC...i just can't stand them. i had class with the singer from a local grindcore band, and he was obsessed with that band, so he'd always be playing em. and i just never liked em, so hearing em most of that semester just enhanced my hate for em... :lol:

[RetiredAt21]

The track names are hilarious. I lol'd the first time I read the one about the moon goat and the necrowizard.

[RetiredAt21]

I've been checking up on Seth's site for awhile now, and that thing about him coming out of a coma is REALLY old. He hasn't updated in months.

[Toe Rag]

I've been checking up on Seth's site for awhile now, and that thing about him coming out of a coma is REALLY old. He hasn't updated in months.
I wasn't aware of its oldness. For what its worth, I'm pretty sure he was alive in May, cos I was talking to Dave Witte with some other kids and Anal Cunt came up. I asked if Seth is a big *** hole and didn't say anything about him being dead. A lot can happen in two months, though.

[Toe Rag]

much thx for that. :thumb:

and im pretty sure ive gotten stuff off of ye before on slsk. though ye always have huge queues. oh well.

oh and Retired, about AC...i just can't stand them. i had class with the singer from a local grindcore band, and he was obsessed with that band, so he'd always be playing em. and i just never liked em, so hearing em most of that semester just enhanced my hate for em... :lol:
What's your name? I'll add you to my list so you don't have to wait.

[Feel The Darkness]

What's your name? I'll add you to my list so you don't have to wait.
J_Atomic, thx

[RetiredAt21]

Has anyone besides myself heard any xVincent Price's Orphan Powered Death Machinex?

[Toe Rag]

Never even heard of them

[Feel The Darkness]

Has anyone besides myself heard any xVincent Price's Orphan Powered Death Machinex?
heard of, never heard though

[RetiredAt21]

They are awesome, you should try to find some of their songs. You guys would probably like them.

[RetiredAt21]

Bumpage. I will not let my awesome thread die.

[Toe Rag]

I thought about this more today at work and which era Orchid are you talking about? Chaos is Me, Dance Tonight or Gatefold?

[cbmartinez]

I enjoy The Great Redneck Hope, The Binding, The Locust and Textbook Traitors as far as spazz goes (not real grind, but grind influenced). As for real grind, I love Pig Destroyer and Agoraphobic Nosebleed but that's all I'm really into. In/Humanity for emo/power violence. They ****ing destroy.

[Toe Rag]

I'm not too big on In/Humanity. I like .****ingcom all right, though.

[sopborste]

Nasum
Regurgitate
Yacosape
Dropdead
Birdflesh
Leng T'che

Grindcore is pretty cool.

[blurg.]

In/humanity is good but I like guyana punch line alot better.

[Toe Rag]

.****ingcom > Guyana Punch Line > In/Humanity > Antischism

[Major General Despair]

.****ingcom > Guyana Punch Line > In/Humanity > Antischism



:eek: I love Antischism, so I'll have to check them out.

[cbmartinez]

Upload some songs by those other bands.

[Toe Rag]

http://s14.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2JEHTM0GHJRDQ1UOIH1K4XNQ1G

[cbmartinez]

Pretty good but I like In/Humanity better.

[Aus Rotten]

HAHAHAHA. Someone said Agnostic Front, I won't bash him/her though. But it did give me a laugh. They use old school styled hardcore, otherwise noted as hardcore punk now. The singer is pretty gangsta in the music videos though? Haha. Okay, I don't normally like grind, but Napalm death and Anal Cunt are okay. Origin is just crap. Uhm. crust punk... fleas and lice and assrash sound good. They both have a split they put out together that someone sent me before. Nothing beats the song, Jesus wuz a drunk. haha.

Man, you're posts are very annoying to read... you laugh too much maybe?

Napalm Death, Pig Destroyer, Siege, Anal Cunt. Top-notch bands.

[Kosta]

Some of you peope have no idea what grind is. Daughters? Locust? Agnostic Front? Jesus.

3 words: Spoonful Of Vicodin.

Now THAT's grind. Napalm Death isn't a grind band anymore. Only their first 2 records were.

[Scabies]

Napalm Death isn't a grind band anymore. Only their first 2 records were.
Am i the only person who prefers ND's newer stuff?!

[Feel The Darkness]

Some of you peope have no idea what grind is. Daughters? Locust? Agnostic Front? Jesus.

3 words: Spoonful Of Vicodin.

Now THAT's grind. Napalm Death isn't a grind band anymore. Only their first 2 records were.
just because they arent a grind band anymore doesnt mean ye styill cant say they're one of yer fav grind bands. considering they did release grind material, so in a thread about grind, if someone mentions ND, its common knowledge that they are refferring to ND's grind stuff. but i do agree with those who mentioned the white-belt ****, that aint grind, and as for AF...that was just dumb.

Am i the only person who prefers ND's newer stuff?!
i loved Order of the Leech, but yet again ive always loved metal, though im kinda indifferent as to which era was better. i tend to like all their stuff equally.

[RetiredAt21]

This .F'uckingCom band is pretty good. I like'em alot.

[Feel The Darkness]

This .F'uckingCom band is pretty good. I like'em alot.
indeed, i just d/led some from Toe Rag, real good stuff. :thumb:

[Brain Toad]

I had one of their albums before you all started jumping to listen to them (except Toe Rag). I like them.

[Feel The Darkness]

i propose everyone here, who doesnt already, go listen to Warcollapse.

[RetiredAt21]

I've never heard any Warcollapse. Linkage?

[Starship]

I was just wondering, what do you guys like about the songs? It sounds like a guy screaming while everyone else is trying to make as much noise as possible.

[Feel The Darkness]

I've never heard any Warcollapse. Linkage?
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I was just wondering, what do you guys like about the songs? It sounds like a guy screaming while everyone else is trying to make as much noise as possible.
crust, like any other genre has a wide range of bands, and thus, not all bands sound the same, some have their own style. as for me, it has an obvious influence from metal, and i started listening to metal before i listened to punk, so that and my interest in politics, kinda threw me upon it, as it was the best thing for me.

[Brain Toad]

I don't know why I like grind. A lot of the time I just like stuff that is really noisy and really fast for this short burst of musical chaos to blow my mind for a few seconds.

I like crust because of the metal influence and the political side.

But both I can't listen to very long or I will get a massive headache.

[Feel The Darkness]

I've never heard any Warcollapse. Linkage?
xxxhttp://s43.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1T3KDVP2I8R3112H9PFES59G0W

just remove the xxx

that's for their album, Crust as **** Existence

this album truly shows their musical greatness, playing amazing crust punk on a 4 track-long record, 3 of which are 6 min or longer. such an awesome record, has a more death metal feel to it at times.

Divine Intoxication - xxxhttp://s43.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0CP7K6VM4Z6NA27RCKHZ5SGQ3E

this album has a more crust feel to it, as it is alot faster than the previous album i posted. a total of 16 tracks, with most being at about 2 min. great guitar riffs with raging drum beats. all in all a really good album, but yet again, they'r emy fav crust band, so im a bit biased. :p

[IrishPunk07]

phobia :)

[Feel The Darkness]

phobia :)
:thumb:

[Scabies]

Warcollapse. Eeeew.

[RetiredAt21]

Warcollapse are pretty good, thank you JAtomic.

[Converge#12]

Genghis Tron

[RetiredAt21]

They are alright, I don't listen to them much though.

[RetiredAt21]

Ok, I just heard the track on which Seth Putnam supposedly killed himself. It sounds kinda real, but I dunno, it's most likely fake.

[Feel The Darkness]

Warcollapse. Eeeew.
pfft

Warcollapse are pretty good, thank you JAtomic.
indeed, they are. i finally managed to get my hands on a t-shirt. it's the Divine Intoxication design which is pretty much a depiction of Jesus drunk on the cross :lol:

[RetiredAt21]

Hahaha, that's awesome.

[Feel The Darkness]

Hahaha, that's awesome.
haha, yea. here's there site: http://listen.to/warcollapse

it has the design on the entrance page.

[Kosta]

just because they arent a grind band anymore doesnt mean ye styill cant say they're one of yer fav grind bands. considering they did release grind material, so in a thread about grind, if someone mentions ND, its common knowledge that they are refferring to ND's grind stuff. but i do agree with those who mentioned the white-belt ****, that aint grind, and as for AF...that was just dumb.



Judging from a couple of posts in this topic, I really doubt everyone here knows exactly what grind is, and if all of ND's material is, indeed, grind.

[RetiredAt21]

Brutal Truth! I forgot about them. Great band.

[Feel The Darkness]

Judging from a couple of posts in this topic, I really doubt everyone here knows exactly what grind is, and if all of ND's material is, indeed, grind.
oh yea, i doubt that too, although for the most part, the ones who have posted in this thread have some basic knowledge of grind. as for the ND thing, if they dont realize that ND arent grind anymore, well they should. but im sure those who said ND can distinguish ND's grind stuff with their later done death metal stuff. either way, i love all their stuff.

[AA-12]

Pig Destroyer, Napalm Death, DEP (If you considor it grind), Carcass (Best grind around).

[RetiredAt21]

I'm kinda on the fence about DEP. They aren't really grind, but the kind of are. I don't like the term "math metal" so I just call them grind because I'm lazy.

[cbmartinez]

They're tech metal. They have the start stop rhythms of grind but not really enough to call them grind.

[RetiredAt21]

But there isn't really "metal" about them. Their riffing style isn't metal at all, neither are the solos or anything.

[cbmartinez]

They're older stuff is heavy enough to be called metal. The new CD is really hard to classify.

[Phobophile]

What exactly is crust?Is that like Today Is the Day? I know what grind is but I am not too sure what crust is...

[Brain Toad]

Crust is heavyier 'crustier' hardcore, stuff like Aus Rotten.

[Feel The Darkness]

What exactly is crust?Is that like Today Is the Day? I know what grind is but I am not too sure what crust is...
http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211847

all the basics are mentioned in there

[Phobophile]

Wow,reminds me of the Anal Cunt song "Everyone In The Underground Scene Is Dumb"






joking.
But seriously though I have not heard of any of those bands on that list at all except Extreme Noist Terror,and I only know them because of an Anal Cunt song.

[Feel The Darkness]

Wow,reminds me of the Anal Cunt song "Everyone In The Underground Scene Is Dumb"






joking.
But seriously though I have not heard of any of those bands on that list at all except Extreme Noist Terror,and I only know them because of an Anal Cunt song.
crust isn't as widely accepted as some other kinds of punk. if ye use slsk, ye can get stuff from the majority of those bands off of my list.

[Rise Me Up]

Has anyone heard of The Locust? I think they are grind,but if not,they are similar to it,and they are really good.

http://www.thelocust.com

[Gnarmageddon]

Has anyone heard of The Locust? I think they are grind,but if not,they are similar to it,and they are really good.

http://www.thelocust.com
I love them. They're one of my favorite bands.

[Rise Me Up]

I love them. They're one of my favorite bands.


Have you saw the 'Live From The Russian Compund' video? It's on their site if you,or anyone else who hasn't heard them, hasn't.

[RetiredAt21]

I think pretty much everyone knows about the Locust. I used to REALLY be into them, but not so much anymore. They still have a couple songs that I listen to occassionally, like Moth Eaten Deer Head, that's one of my favorites.

[mole]

They still have a couple songs that I listen to occassionally, like Moth Eaten Deer Head, that's one of my favorites.
Speaking of which, what happened to that guy? is he a different name now?

[RetiredAt21]

I have no idea. I haven't seen him post in a very long time.

[Rise Me Up]

I think pretty much everyone knows about the Locust. I used to REALLY be into them, but not so much anymore. They still have a couple songs that I listen to occassionally, like Moth Eaten Deer Head, that's one of my favorites.


I just found out about them. I like them alot.

[Toe Rag]

I hate the Locust.

[Feel The Darkness]

I hate the Locust.
agree'd

[sopborste]

Dillinger Escape Plan are not grind. **** good though.

[Gnarmageddon]

Have you saw the 'Live From The Russian Compund' video? It's on their site if you,or anyone else who hasn't heard them, hasn't.
I think I have.

Edit: I found a site a while ago that has every one of The Locust's songs and put it on my favorites. My Firefox ****ed up the other day and I had to switch profiles. If someone could tell me how to switch back to the other profile since I have no idea how to do it, I could post the link.

[Arrakakaka]

Assuck!

[Converge#12]

I like a lot of grind inluenced bands like Cripple the Crossface, Daughters, Locust, and As the Sun Sets.

[RetiredAt21]

As The Sun Sets is a pretty good band, I like them.

[Converge#12]

As The Sun Sets is a pretty good band, I like them.
Yeah there great but I don't know if its just me but I think they use a lot of samples.

[RetiredAt21]

I don't really think they use that many.

[Manikin]

I know we have plenty of crust fans in the punk forum, but how many grind fans do we have? I'd like to start some good discussion about grind/crust, your favorite bands, etc.


Bodies in the Gears of the Apparatus (just saw them live and they kicked ***)
XXX Maniak
Circle of Dead Children
Pig Destroyer
Cattle Decapitation
Regurgitate
Napalm Death
The Locusts
Anal Cunt (gotta love them)

[Converge#12]

Bodies in the Gears of the Apparatus (just saw them live and they kicked ***)
XXX Maniak
Circle of Dead Children
Pig Destroyer
Cattle Decapitation
Regurgitate
Napalm Death
The Locusts
Anal Cunt (gotta love them)
The Locust it's singular.

[RetiredAt21]

Bodies in the Gears of the Apparatus and Circle of Dead Children are AWESOME. I love those bands.

[Municipalwaste]

spazz
rot
disrupt
excruciating terror
dystopia
dahmer
carcass
...nuff said.

[Scabies]

Disrupt and Spazz aint grind.

[Feel The Darkness]

Disrupt and Spazz aint grind.
neither are Dystopia, all three are still great bands though

[Toe Rag]

Spazz is powerviolence which is arguably grind

[Brain Toad]

I never could figure out the difference between grind and powerviolence.


And Disrupt suck IMO, they are boring and annoying.

[Toe Rag]

Grind now a days is mostly just a lot of shitty death metal played quickly. There are some bands that play it and manage not to get into the DM **** like Birdflesh, Burnt by the Sun and older Cripple Bastards, and probably a lot of other stuff. I tend to shy away from grind because of the aforementioned reason. Powerviolence is playing grind without the or with little (death)metal influences. Get a hold of some Hellnation or Yacoepsae or something to see a good example.

[Brain Toad]

That's why I don't like Disrupt, it sounds like really ****ty death metal.

So Powerviolence is like grind, but with little or no metal influence hmm... I can see it sometimes in Charles Bronson and Spazz.

[Toe Rag]

I guess you could just say powerviolence is grind that stays close to its punk roots.

[Toe Rag]

Also, there /is/ metal influence, but it's really played down. It's mostly thrash metal instead of death metal.

[Toe Rag]

http://s6.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1JXMP6L3NR6ZZ040KBAZ2IDGR5

^ Hellnation - Barricade

That's a pretty good example

[Brain Toad]

Ahhh, makes sense now, learn new something everyday. Thanks

[Feel The Darkness]

i had never considered it that way, but it does make sense, though i always threw PV in the same boat as grind, i just never thought too deeply as to why.

nice example, by the way. Hellnation are ****ing killer.

[Scabies]

And Disrupt suck IMO, they are boring and annoying.

The very little respect i had for you has completely gone.

[Brain Toad]

The very little respect i had for you has completely gone.

Okay :rolleyes:

[RetiredAt21]

Oh jeez, don't start fighting guys.

[Toe Rag]

I thought about this more today at work and which era Orchid are you talking about? Chaos is Me, Dance Tonight or Gatefold?
I'm quoting this cos I don't think RetiredAt21 saw it.

[suburbanrebels]

i never could get into grind. I just listen to crust and anarcho...

[RetiredAt21]

I'm not really sure which. My friend burned all of their material on to a couple cd's for me, but they aren't labeled, so I'm not really sure.

[Toe Rag]

Well, I could agree about Gatefold, but most people pretend that album doesn't exist. Chaos is Me is pretty straight-forward powerviolence. The only thing weird about it is it had extreme tempo changes, but they only happen once or maybe twice in a song. Dance Tonight! Revolution Tomorrow! just seems like a more artsy version of Chaos is Me

[RetiredAt21]

I wish I knew which cd I have is which. The jerk should have labeled them.

[RetiredAt21]

Ok, he told me one of the cd's I have is Chaos Is Me. This one if my favorite.

[wenzdaie]

agoriphobic nosebleed...seems like a good idea, but they get annoying quick...do the dillinger escape plan count as grind? i thinkee so...i like them...and, blood duster...pig destroyer, i have a comp. they were on a ways back...i liked them mostly for the guitar...you fools should definetly check out a band called You Would Look Better If I Shot You In The Face...i have no idea who they are, where they're from...nuthin...i stumbled across their website on a hxc website, and...crazyness...
listen to their song: http://server2.hxcmp3.com/bands/13254/index.php

[RetiredAt21]

I kinda like this, but it's cheesy sounding.

[wenzdaie]

cheesy? maybe...the singing at the end is kinda not needed...any thoughts on who the hell they are???

[Feel The Darkness]

CEPHALIC CARNAGE ARE PLAYING HERE SOON!

just felt like pointing that out...it's gonna be great.

[RetiredAt21]

That's awesome dude. Cephalic Carnage are so good. I love the song Exhumed Remains.

[RetiredAt21]

I just heard about the drummer from Cryptopsy claiming he can do a double blastbeat. How is that possible?

[Toe Rag]

Cos Flo is a dork.

[RetiredAt21]

What?

[Kosta]

Dillinger Escape Plan isn't grind. The best band in the world, yeah, but not grind.

Grindcore = making as much noise as a person can make. That's basically grind. No melody (maybe a little bit in intro's), no real structure. Just...short burst of noise. And if it doesn't have a blastbeat, it's not grind.

[Kosta]

CEPHALIC CARNAGE ARE PLAYING HERE SOON!

just felt like pointing that out...it's gonna be great.


They played here not too long ago, but I missed them. I hate myself for missing them.

[Feel The Darkness]

They played here not too long ago, but I missed them. I hate myself for missing them.
that sucks. im not missing this show for anything. and they recently moved it to an all ages venue so it's only gonna be $10. gah, can't wait, unfortunatley it is a good while away.