Opeth

[Kage]

That sounds so stupid though.

[Thor]

I say it like "Michael Ackerfelt"

[Kage]

That's basically how I say it, but I usually mumble on Mikael just so I don't have to decide on a way to really say it.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

MYkull AYkerfelt does the job for me.

[Kage]

I like that MYkull. That's how I'll say it from now on. I'm going to keep saying Ack(as in blACK)erfelt.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Wait, I've never talked about Opeth in real life, so I suppose I don't have to worry about this at all.

/sighs of relief

[Kage]

I've got a good friend who loves Opeth and a good friend who loves Porcupine Tree, so when we discuss Akerfeldt's solo in Arriving Somewhere, I have to say it.

[Stoo]

It's pronounced Mee-kah-el.

I'll see if I can find some IPA symbols to better show the pronounciation.

['mi:kʰaɛl o:kʰɛʐfɛltʰ]

Or something like close to that.


Yes. These damn americans and they're crappy pronounciation.

[Thor]

Yeah, that's how we roll in the US of A. :thumb:

Has anyone else besides me realized that every single Opeth album's opening track is always a highlight?

[Kage]

A lot of Europeans pronounce English words a lot differently than we do.

[Shadows]

Yeah, that's how we roll in the US of A. :thumb:

Has anyone else besides me realized that every single Opeth album's opening track is always a highlight?
I agree with that eith the exception of Ghost Reveries. I think Ghost of Perdition is one of the album's weaker songs, although still damn good.

[BurningSky]

Yeah, that's how we roll in the US of A. :thumb:

Has anyone else besides me realized that every single Opeth album's opening track is always a highlight?

Let's see...

In Mist She Was Standing-Definitely
Advent-Good, but not the highlight
Prelude-Definitely not
The Moor-Yes
The Leper Affinity-Yes
Wreath-Not Really
Windowpane-Sure
Ghost of Perdition-Definitely

[Thor]

Strange, as I (and most other Opeth fans) can't get enough of Ghost of Perdition. I actually think it's the best song on the album.

And BurningSky, Prelude doesn't count, because it's not really a song. April Ethereal, however, is...and it's certainly a highlight.

[Shadows]

I'd give every album of theirs an overwhelming "hell yes" except GR.

Don't get me wrong, I loooooooooove Ghost of Perdition. But compared to songs like The Baying of the Hounds, Beneath the Mire, and Reverie/Harlequin Forest, which I practically cream myself over, it (very) slightly pales in comparison.

[Thor]

Beneath The Mire ftw. :)

[BurningSky]

Ghost of Perdition is my favorite from GR...

And, April Ethereal is good, but When, The Amen Corner, Demon of the Fall, Credence, and Karma are all better than it, IMO...

[Shadows]

I'd have to disagree with that. April Ethereal and When are by far my favorite MAYH songs.

[Jude]

In Mist She Was Standing - nah, I much prefer Twilight Is My Robe. IMSWS is cool for the first bit of riffing but beyond that it doesn't seem that great.
Advent-Good, but not the highlight
Prelude/April Ethereal - Hm. I wouldn't necessarily say so, because there's so much other awesomeness on that album, but April Ethereal is probably the best overall song on the album.
The Moor - Kind of. It is probably Opeth's single best song, but Still Life is so consistent that it's hard to say this is the highlight. Almost every part of Still Life is a highlight to me.
The Leper Affinity - most definitely
Wreath - No. I really don't like Wreath very much. To me, the highlights of the album are some of Deliverance, the acoustic section of Master's Apprentices, and all of BTPISIO
Windowpane - Yes. Best song on the album anyway.
Ghost of Perdition - Oh yeah. Best song on the album by far and one of Opeth's all around best.

[Shadows]

That's odd. Especially your take on the Deliverance album. The title track to me seems so boring and sub par by Opeth's standards.

[Kage]

Wow, the title track on Deliverance is one of their crowning moments if you ask me. The rest of the album is complete mediocrity.

[Shadows]

:eek:

Deliverance is probably the only song on that album I ever skip.

[Kage]

Deliverance was the song that made me stand up and take notice of Opeth. I'd heard Demon of the Fall and the Drapery Falls, but it was Deliverance that really hooked me. Then I bought the album and was completely turned off the band for a long time.

[Eliminator]

I just looked for my copy of Ghost Reveries and couldn't find it

shucks

[Jude]

That's odd. Especially your take on the Deliverance album. The title track to me seems so boring and sub par by Opeth's standards.

Wtf?! Deliverance is the ****.

Wreath bores me pretty hard though. It makes me realize how essential the mellow parts are to Opeth's sound.

But like I said, my favorite on the album is BTPISIO.

[Shattered_Future]

I'd much rather BTPISIO or Master's Apprentices then Deliverance.

[Kage]

Master's Apprentice is lame. That beginning sucks johnson. It's really cheesey, with one of Opeth's least effective "evil" riffs and the double bass drum and the growls. It just sounds stale, stupid and generic. And the song just goes on without any real direction.

[Shattered_Future]

What the HELL are you talking about, man? I love that riff...it's amazing how something so simple can smash your cunt so effectively.

[Jude]

Master's Apprentice is lame. That beginning sucks johnson. It's really cheesey, with one of Opeth's least effective "evil" riffs and the double bass drum and the growls. It just sounds stale, stupid and generic. And the song just goes on without any real direction.

Agreed totally. There are some cool riffs in the 3-4 minute area, I guess, but the main riff is just totally bland. Then the acoustic section is really beautiful. Without that I don't think I'd hardly listen to the song at all.

BTPISIO is brilliant though. I love the absolutely disgustingest growls Mike ever did, over that acoustic riff, and the lyrics are really evocative. Then the creepy carnival part is so different from anything else Opeth has ever done, and the closing riffs are sweet too.

[Kage]

The riff is evil as hell and all, but if you step back and say "wait a minute...this is OPETH?" you realize it's far below the standard Mikeal has for writing something it is just extremely unique and way more interesting melodically and harmonically. It's just very blatant--there's no subtelty to it, and absolutely nothing interesting about it.

The rest of the song is just rehashing everything they did on Still Life and Blackwater Park.

[Shattered_Future]

Yes, granted, it's not very Opeth. I still love it though.

To each his own. :thumb:

[Kage]

I will give the acoustic part some credit, because it is quite beautiful and awesome. Still, it can't save the entire song.

[Shattered_Future]

An entire chorus of Steve Wilson and Akefeldt does have its benefits.

I dunno though, sometimes you just need a simple, evil riff. And Master's Apprentices does it extremely well.

[Eliminator]

my arms your hearse and deliverance are the only two opith albums i habn't heard

[Stoo]

Prelude pfft...

It's Prologue here :p

hence Epilogue.

[Eliminator]

that's cool man!

[BurningSky]

Prelude pfft...

It's Prologue here :p

hence Epilogue.

Haha, you're right. I feel so dumb right now. I was listening to Symphony X's V: The New Mythology Suite earlier, which begins with Prelude...

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

ATTN Ted or Knifeboy

Can I get that Orchestral VST?

[Thor]

Prelude pfft...

It's Prologue here :p

hence Epilogue.
Epilogue ftw.

[Shadows]

Wtf?! Deliverance is the ****.

Wreath bores me pretty hard though. It makes me realize how essential the mellow parts are to Opeth's sound.
Just like with Ghost of Perition. I still love the song to pieces, just like I do virtually every Opeth song. But on the whole I'd rather listen to Wreath (conflicting opinions, eh? ;)) or A Fair Judgement.

[BurningSky]

A Fair Judgement is the highlight of Deliverance, that song is pure sex...

[Stormrider]

I could never really get into that song...not that I listened to it a whole lot, but still. Meh, I should give it a more real listen I guess.

[Det_Nosnip]

The riff is evil as hell and all, but if you step back and say "wait a minute...this is OPETH?" you realize it's far below the standard Mikeal has for writing something it is just extremely unique and way more interesting melodically and harmonically. It's just very blatant--there's no subtelty to it, and absolutely nothing interesting about it.

Well, that's...the point. I see Master's like Harvest...a demonstration that Opeth don't have to be complex all of the time. I'd call that section "archetypal" more than I would call it "generic," and yes - there is a difference. It's as close to straight up death metal as the band ever gets, really - and it's great.



ATTN Ted or Knifeboy

Can I get that Orchestral VST? Ok. Address?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

spiralout7/gmail.com

Thanks in advance. How is it working for you so far?

[beso negro]

The best part of Master's Apprentice is the drumming during 2:54 - 3:15 and 3:35 - 3:53.

I love the triplets he plays with the base drum. Anyone else like that ?

[TojesDolan]

Just while I'm on that, when he says "Never return from this place" in Hope Leaves, the "never" is totally off key and pretty much ruins the song for me.


Dissonance is fun.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Dissonance =/= pitchiness

[Thor]

I could never really get into that song...not that I listened to it a whole lot, but still. Meh, I should give it a more real listen I guess.
You fool! The solos in that song are probably the best ones they've ever done.

[Shadows]

Deliverance has some of Mike and Peter's best solos ever. I love the one towards the end of Wreath, where Mikael nearly cuts loose and starts shredding, and then at the end of Deliverance where he solos over that steady, evil palm muted riff.

[Thor]

Yeah just about every solo on that album was great. I'm also quite a big fan of Peter's Deliverance solo. It's really interesting, and overall pretty awesome.

But A Fair Judgement's solos just have so much emotion and passion behind them. It's mind blowing.

[Apocalypticon]

Deliverance has some very good solos. But for overall quality of solos on an album nothing beats the ones off of Orchid, possibly because there are some many placed in such perfect spots.

[pate]

Peter's Deliverance solo just might be my favorite solo to play.

[Eliminator]

The only solo I can play is the solo to "Johnny B. Goode".

ooooh yyyeaahhhh :cool:

[Stormrider]

You fool! The solos in that song are probably the best ones they've ever done.

Well, you see, I don't remember those solo's. Which proves my point in saying that I've barely listened to that song, heh.

Black Rose Immortal second solo is awsome. That build up to it is really nice aswell.

[Apocalypticon]

I can barely remember the BRI solos because that song is the most overrated Opeth song IMO. It is way to long and even though it is chalk full of good riffs after a certain amount of time they all start to blend together. The only song of Morning Rise I really like is Advent.

[Stormrider]

Advent and BRI are my favorites off the album. I remember BRI for the most, because I learned the song, haha.

Another of the older solo's I really like is the In Mist She Was Standing one.

[Apocalypticon]

Advent and BRI are my favorites off the album. I remember BRI for the most, because I learned the song, haha.

Another of the older solo's I really like is the In Mist She Was Standing one.

IMSWS has the best Opeth solos, I'm biased though because when it comes ot that song I'm one of the biggest fanboys. When you say you learned BRI did you learn all 20:14 of it?

[Stormrider]

Yeah, I did. I don't remember everything now though, unfortunately, I havn't played it in a while. Though, I still remember a big part. I think...

If I go back to it now, soem of the riffs would need soem work, heh, because like I said, I havn't played it in a long time.

[Apocalypticon]

To me that shows alot of dedication. I would never have the attention span and memory to memorize and play a 20:14 long song. 10 minutes I've done but nothing even close to 20 minutes. Oh well just shows how more focused you are then I am I guess. I learned almost all of IMSWS but never bothered putting it all together. My favourite Opeth song to play is Benighted, short but sweet, although I doubt I can still play it.

[Stormrider]

I had a lot more dedication in learning songs last summer, then I do now, honestly. Now, it can take forever to sit down and learn a song :(...Like I'll print a tab, and soemtimes I won't even learn it. I'll get it done, but I learn a riff every 2-3 days or so. And soemtiems I'm on fire and learna lot in a day. I need to go back like I was on this last summer heh.

Longest song I know and can still play while remembering everything is 16 minutes.

Opeth acoustics are always fun to play.

[pate]

I love learning songs.

My favorite song on Morningrise is The Night and The Silent Water.

[Apocalypticon]

I love learning songs.

My favorite song on Morningrise is The Night and The Silent Water.

I don't care much for that song. And I can see why its is Mikeal and Peter's least favourite Opeth song.

[Daven]

TBYF is where its at.

[Shadows]

I don't care much for that song. And I can see why its is Mikeal and Peter's least favourite Opeth song.
I <3 that song. I love every song on Morningrise except Black Rose Immortal, which is still a good old Opeth song, just a bit overblown.

[Whale and Wasp]

i cant stand listening to morningrise anymore :( it makes me feel all miserable

[Apocalypticon]

I can stand listening to it, I just don't because it is actually a pretty boring album besides Advent and TBYF.

[Det_Nosnip]

spiralout7/gmail.com

Thanks in advance. How is it working for you so far?

I haven't actually gotten a chance to try it. Been studying for the GRE and working alot, so my life has been reaaallly busy, unfortunately.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Oh, okay. Sorry for your business, I always hate dealing with that. :p

Speaking of the whole orchestral thing, has anyone finished an orchestral version yet?

[Det_Nosnip]

I haven't found much Opeth to be jazzy. For Absent Friends is a bit, but nothing else has that sort of feel.. I agree with the folk thing though. Especially the early material.

Windowpane is basically modal, and alot of the Damnation record is very fusiony. Martin Mendez's style is very jazz based and groove orientated. Mikael's soloing style is often very jazz influenced. "Face of Melinda" is very jazzy.

Music doesn't have to be triplet based in order to be jazz or jazz-influenced.

[Shadows]

Triplet based? Triplets aren't stabdard in jazz. Many jazz guitar teachers even force their students to stop playing in triplets altogether.

But I think Opeth is jazzy. Probably more blues than jazz, but they're closely related.

[Toaster]

Windowpane is basically modal, and alot of the Damnation record is very fusiony. Martin Mendez's style is very jazz based and groove orientated. Mikael's soloing style is often very jazz influenced. "Face of Melinda" is very jazzy.

Music doesn't have to be triplet based in order to be jazz or jazz-influenced.

Who said anything about triplets? :confused:

You can have a jazzy solo over a death metal song, doesn't make it jazzy.

Who cares about bass anyway?

Face of Melinda is quite jazzy, yes.

How the hell can a song be "modal"?

I always thought of Damnation as being soft rock, slightly prog.. but since the nature of "prog" isn't quite clear, I'd just say soft rock. :p

[Det_Nosnip]

Who said anything about triplets? :confused:
I assumed when you were referring to feel.

Who cares about bass anyway?
Anyone with half a brain.


How the hell can a song be "modal"?

Have you never heard of Miles Davis? :confused:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_jazz


I always thought of Damnation as being soft rock, slightly prog.. but since the nature of "prog" isn't quite clear, I'd just say soft rock. :p
I wouldn't say "soft rock." Soft rock has more of a Don Henley kind of connotation to it. :D Damnation is progressive in the sense that Pink Floyd is progressive, but the songwriting and harmonies are also quite advanced in many ways.

[Det_Nosnip]

Triplet based? Triplets aren't stabdard in jazz. Many jazz guitar teachers even force their students to stop playing in triplets altogether.


Well, that's just plain stupid. Jazz is certainly grounded in triplets, and it's worthwhile to at least know how to swing hard.

[beso negro]

How about "Moonlapse Vertigo"?

That part from 4:42 to 5:12 seems to be in e minor, but with a D#, A#, and an F thrown in there. Even a G# . So much chromaticism, but I think it sounds good. I don't know why.

[Shadows]

The term "modal jazz" is a little misleading. By definition, every song is played in a mode, even if it's just the most basic Ionian.

Well, that's just plain stupid. Jazz is certainly grounded in triplets, and it's worthwhile to at least know how to swing hard.
It just seemed like pretensious jazz guitarists looking down their noses towards metal once again, to me.

I don't like the idea of calling Damnation "soft rock". It makes it sound like...a soft rock album, which it most certainly isn't.

[Shattered_Future]

Why don't we stop arguing about what the album's genre is and just sit back and appreciate the goddamn awesomeness of it?

[Shadows]

Damnation = amazing

Soft rock =/= amazing

therefore

Damnation =/= soft rock

A bad generalization I'm sure, but it works for the purpose of this conversation.

[Shattered_Future]

Perhaps...

Jazz isn't rooted in triplets my ***. That's one of the bases of the "swing" feel, which apparently I have a major problem with...I can't play straight eights anymore. I swing all of it. :lol:

[Shadows]

Pffft, real men play in sixteenth notes. I can play in triplets basically as high as my mentronone allows me, but sixteenth notes take blood, sweat, and testerone.

Once again, for the purpose of this conversation, I have all of those.

And I don't think the "swing" feel is necessarily standard either. I've listened to a fair amount of jazz over the past several years, and almost all of it had a straighter feel. Not all jazz has spawned directly from band music of the 30's.

[pate]

Speaking of the whole orchestral thing, has anyone finished an orchestral version yet?

I have 2/3 of Bleak done.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

! I can imagine Bleak being mindshattering, how's it turning out?

[pate]

Ehh. It needs a lot of work. The way it's ended up, a lot of it is just the original with the instrumentation changed. I did more than that, but it doesn't come out in the sound. Some parts are killer, however.

[CognitiveVertigo]

Hey Flynn, be my Opeth mentor haha. I got Blackwater Park the other day, I am sooo impressed, I'm normally a fan of classic rock, progressive, psychedelic and blues, things like that... I bought it on a whim, one of those 2 albums for 25 bucks. I was getting the new Mars Volta album and I said to myself "Opeth, are the only ones on this shelf that I've remotely heard of" there were some crappy emo bands and ****... Anyway I brought it home and turned it on not knowing what to expect man, and I was just blown away.

The subtle soft vocals and beautiful acoustic melodies UNITE so gracefully with the technical wild guitar riffs, and the vocals, ...o...m...g... dude, it was like hearing some entity screaming and growling bloody murder. I can't believe that it is so awesome. The whole tone of the album...is just a feeling that you get. A dark, lonely, fullfilled, longing...Do you understand? or am I too stoned right now?

Maybe I shouldn't be rambling on the forum after smoking a joint, but yeah this album takes me to a different plane. It's one extreme to the other man, it's like Dark, lonely, chaotic, wild, loud, screaming and on the other end of the spectrum it's fullfilling, technical, poetic, inspirational, it promotes change, it pursues dreams...It's on the crescendo of my musical emotional spectrum... You know , right up there...

So here's a question, what album should I get next, I intend to get them all ...but is there an order you suggest? Ok, sorry for the stoned ramble dude, I just have to say that I have experienced a musical epiphany...Yeah , so really high and I just keep smoking so I'm going to stop typing before everyone on this forum tells me to go find a hut in some village to go and live out my days in with my acoustic guitar that i play FOLK songs on...haha.

[jpshortstuff]

well im no flynn but as you likeDark, lonely, chaotic, wild, loud, screaming
Deliverence is the way to, and for
the other end of the spectrum
Damnation.

Morningrise is reasonably cool, everyone will agree that To Bid You Farewell is a track you need to get.

oh an Ghost Reveries isn't too shaby neither, newest album, great vocals (growls and cleans) and stuff.

EDIT: **** i forgot about Still Life. get Still Life before GR. infact, don't get GR for a while.

[Eliminator]

um no just get still life and damnation

[Crysiss]

Hey Flynn, be my Opeth mentor haha. I got Blackwater Park the other day, I am sooo impressed, I'm normally a fan of classic rock, progressive, psychedelic and blues, things like that... I bought it on a whim, one of those 2 albums for 25 bucks. I was getting the new Mars Volta album and I said to myself "Opeth, are the only ones on this shelf that I've remotely heard of" there were some crappy emo bands and ****... Anyway I brought it home and turned it on not knowing what to expect man, and I was just blown away.

The subtle soft vocals and beautiful acoustic melodies UNITE so gracefully with the technical wild guitar riffs, and the vocals, ...o...m...g... dude, it was like hearing some entity screaming and growling bloody murder. I can't believe that it is so awesome. The whole tone of the album...is just a feeling that you get. A dark, lonely, fullfilled, longing...Do you understand? or am I too stoned right now?

Maybe I shouldn't be rambling on the forum after smoking a joint, but yeah this album takes me to a different plane. It's one extreme to the other man, it's like Dark, lonely, chaotic, wild, loud, screaming and on the other end of the spectrum it's fullfilling, technical, poetic, inspirational, it promotes change, it pursues dreams...It's on the crescendo of my musical emotional spectrum... You know , right up there...

So here's a question, what album should I get next, I intend to get them all ...but is there an order you suggest? Ok, sorry for the stoned ramble dude, I just have to say that I have experienced a musical epiphany...Yeah , so really high and I just keep smoking so I'm going to stop typing before everyone on this forum tells me to go find a hut in some village to go and live out my days in with my acoustic guitar that i play FOLK songs on...haha.

Hmm...well if your into psychidelic and prog, I would probably say you should try out Ghost Reveries. Or if you want to try something different, My Arms, Your Hearse:smoke:

[TojesDolan]

Maybe I shouldn't be rambling on the forum after smoking a joint

That just made my day. :lol:

So here's a question, what album should I get next, I intend to get them all ...but is there an order you suggest?

Probably Still Life, if you are into a more BLUESY, JAZZY FEEL.

My arms, your hearse if you'd like to hear the foundation for newer Opeth.

Deliverance if you liked the harshness of the album.

Damnation if you liked the soft parts.

Orchid and Morningrise if you'd like to hear older Opeth.

Ghost Reveries if you feel like experimentation.

[penelope weird hands]

(@CognitiveVertigo's post)

Hahaha, that takes me back.
I 'gasmed in an extremely similar way when I first heard Blackwater Park.
Only just gotten off my year-long binge of Opeth in the past week since that day.

But yes, go get Still Life or Ghost Reveries next, methinks.

[Stoo]

(@CognitiveVertigo's post)

But yes, go get Still Life or Ghost Reveries next, methinks.

this. fo sho. Still Life.

[CognitiveVertigo]

So Still Life it is ?

ooh I'm excited. Thank you all for your replies.

[Shattered_Future]

Yea, definately Still Life.

Bwahaha he asks for an album and you guys tell him to buy them all.

[Eliminator]

so today i came to the conclusion that

"Blackwater Park" > every opeth song ever

[Stoo]

I'd agree with Blackwater Park > Every other Opeth album.

But

Bleak / Serenity Painted Death / To Bid You Farewell > Every other song.

[Kage]

What's so damn great about Serenity Painted Death? That little pinch harmonic?

[Stoo]

I love it...

wait... do I need to go through you guys in the Opeth thread before I like the song?

[Kage]

Yes.

[Eliminator]

opeth thread votes bp title track best opeth song

CONFORM

[Moses]

Pffft, real men play in sixteenth notes. I can play in triplets basically as high as my mentronone allows me, but sixteenth notes take blood, sweat, and testerone.

Once again, for the purpose of this conversation, I have all of those.

And I don't think the "swing" feel is necessarily standard either. I've listened to a fair amount of jazz over the past several years, and almost all of it had a straighter feel. Not all jazz has spawned directly from band music of the 30's.

Try playing quintuplets fast. I wish I could post a recording of some of my quintuplet licks.

And what's with you guys saying jazz is rooted in triplets? Most swinging songs don't even have triplets in them, just swung 8th notes. Triplets in improv is really common but usually not in a 4/4 song playing the head. All Blues by Miles Davis is mostly triplets during the head but it's because it's in 3/4.

And yeah, there's ALOT of straight jazz, namely most Latin jazz.

[Eliminator]

jazz should be rooted in 64th notes played at 450bpm

[Kage]

jazz should be rooted in 64th notes played at 450bpm

Now that's a real man's jazz.

[Moses]

Well that is inhuman but Chick Corea's Got a Match is all eighth notes at 300 bpm and the bass plays the lead too.

[Det_Nosnip]

The term "modal jazz" is a little misleading. By definition, every song is played in a mode, even if it's just the most basic Ionian.
That is somewhat of a non sequitor. The point of "modal" music is that it is built around different modes rather than chord progressions.



And what's with you guys saying jazz is rooted in triplets? Most swinging songs don't even have triplets in them, just swung 8th notes.
"Swung" 8th notes are triplets with the middle note removed. Come on, Moses...you know better than that!

well im no flynn but as you like
Quote:
Dark, lonely, chaotic, wild, loud, screaming

Deliverence is the way to, and for

Quote:
the other end of the spectrum

Damnation.
I strongly disagree. Damnation contains some of Opeth's darkest (Weakness, Closure) and most lonely (Windowpane, In My Time of Need) music.

[Det_Nosnip]

And I don't think the "swing" feel is necessarily standard either. I've listened to a fair amount of jazz over the past several years, and almost all of it had a straighter feel. Not all jazz has spawned directly from band music of the 30's.
20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's, and, for the most part, 70's. Jazz was pretty much consistently swung, with a few exceptions (bop in particular, which was too fast to swing) up until the advent of fusion, which I would consider to be a different style of music, anyways.

[Shadows]

My past experiences conflict with that. Oh well. I don't claim to be a jazz expert anyway.

[Det_Nosnip]

Well, do you only listen to jazz that contains guitars?

[Shadows]

Yes, pretty much.

[Deth]

Well that is inhuman but Chick Corea's Got a Match is all eighth notes at 300 bpm and the bass plays the lead too.

Giant Steps is really fast too. Not sure how fast though but it moves.

[AgentFungi]

Don't mean to change the subject, but I was wondering who's buying the special edition Ghost Reveries? I already have the original, but I just wanted to see everyones thoughts on buying the new edition. I'm not really interested in the 5.1 Surround Sound mix to be honest, I'm only into the 40 minute documentary. For those who don't know about it (I'm sure lots do, but might as well post the info!)
It's coming out October 31st. It contains two discs. There is a new cover track called Soldier of Fortune (not sure who they cover), and on the second disc it contains the music video for The Grand Conjuration, a 40 minute documentary called Beyond Ghost Reveries and a 5.1 Surround Sound Mix of the cd.

Below is a link to the album art.
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/shared/pictures/Opeth/OPETH_GHOST_SE-LORES.jpg

[Kage]

I was just listening to Giant Steps earlier. Incredible piece.

[Moses]

"Swung" 8th notes are triplets with the middle note removed. Come on, Moses...you know better than that!
Still doesn't feel like triplets to me, nor is it notated like that.

[CognitiveVertigo]

hmmm..I'm debating between Damnation and Still Life, maybe I'll just get them both. I'll get them all eventually, however I like to take my time with an album and really absorb it.

[Darkness]

If not both, get Still Life first. Lots of absorbing in that album.

[Det_Nosnip]

Yes, pretty much.
Well, jeez...no wonder! Guitar-based jazz is only a tiny portion of jazz music. Most of the great jazz records are done with hornplayers, and most of it is swung. Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Coleman Hawkins, Sonny Rollins...the list goes on. Pianists make up another huge chunk of jazz musicians - Bill Evans, Dave Brubeck, Thelonius Monk, McCoy Tyner, etc. All of these guys swung their asses off and are considered to be of the top echelon of jazz music.


Still doesn't feel like triplets to me, nor is it notated like that.

If it doesn't feel like triplets, it isn't swinging, or it's one of those bizarre hybrid "inbetween straight and swung" feels that Stanton Moore obsesses over. You play the drums, don't you? Play a standard ride pattern with triplets underneath on your left/comping hand. The swung 8ths should line up perfectly with the first and third note of every triplet.

[Moses]

If it doesn't feel like triplets, it isn't swinging, or it's one of those bizarre hybrid "inbetween straight and swung" feels that Stanton Moore obsesses over. You play the drums, don't you? Play a standard ride pattern with triplets underneath on your left/comping hand. The swung 8ths should line up perfectly with the first and third note of every triplet.

Oh I know they line up, I just don't think of it like that and I never have.

[Det_Nosnip]

...Why? Do you not think that straight 8ths line up with 16ths?

[pate]

I think of swing 8th as triplets minus the middle one.

[Moses]

...Why? Do you not think that straight 8ths line up with 16ths?

I know they all line up, I'm just saying I just think of them as notes and dotted notes. I don't know, I'm a piano player more so than a drummer even though I play them, so I don't really worry about values as much as a drummer would. It just bugged me when you said "triplet feel" rather than "swing feel" because I've never heard anybody, even my jazz instructors refer to them as triplets.

Basically I think of swung 8ths as swung 8ths.

[jpshortstuff]

just watched the Deliverence set on Lamentations again - awesome stuff

im think im gonna learn some Opeth on the ole gee-tar this holiday week.

[DaveTheAmazing]

Am I alone in thinking Michael's growl was at it's best on Morningrise?

[BurningSky]

Am I alone in thinking Michael's growl was at it's best on Morningrise?

Yes...

[jpshortstuff]

i'd have to disagree with you Dave on that one.
Still Life onwards his growl is teh best.

[DaveTheAmazing]

I listen to Morningrise, then I listen to anything after it and it just sounds .. dare I say .. generic!

[jpshortstuff]

:eek: the forbidden word

i think it has grown in power, and Akerfeldt can control it much better now.

[DaveTheAmazing]

I suppose you better take what I'm saying with a grain of salt. I should have mentioned this earlier, but besides Morningrise, I've only heard BWP and Deliverance.

[Eliminator]

yeah blackwater park is really generic

[pixiesfanyo]

and shitty.

[Kage]

Even if Morningrise is Opeth's only non-generic release (not that it is), that doesn't mean it isn't a piece of ****.

[Eliminator]

it's my least favorite along with orchid

[132WalrusesInMexico]

So in foods class today I put Opeth on, and all the stupid freshmen girls said that it was scary and the teacher made me turn it off. Then they put 3 Doors Down on.

[Eliminator]

okay

why bother when you know they aren't going to like it srsly

headphnz

[DaveTheAmazing]

yeah blackwater park is really generic
I didn't call the entire album generic, just his growl.

[Eliminator]

what makes his growl generic

[132WalrusesInMexico]

Headphones are illegal in my school. We can only bring in CDs to be played on CD players in the classroom.

[Eliminator]

we're not allowed to have them inside my school either and i still listen to music

[132WalrusesInMexico]

oh how neat!

[Kage]

If a crappy growl is original, yet a great growl is generic, I'd still rather listen to the great growl.

[Eliminator]

yeah i'm pretty much a rebel without a cause a real james dean

what johnny kage said too2

[The Cynic]

Does anybody know about all the re-releases that they are doin and when they come out?

[Shadows]

Ghost Reveries is being (or has been, not too sure) re-released. That's all that has been announced to my knowledge.

[pate]

It comes out on Oct 31 or something.

[TojesDolan]

It's a money making effort from Roadrunner.

:(

sellouts lol

<_<

[Kage]

Yeah it really pisses me off, because it's so transparent.

[TojesDolan]

They could just make another live DVD to make it worth it, but no.

[pate]

Supposedly the London show will be filmed for a possible DVD. And Mike has said that there will be one, most likely with older stuff on it to make up for Lamentations. I cannot wait.

[TojesDolan]

Dang my pants are wet because of that info.

[pate]

Mine too, Tiger. :naughty:

It better contain
1. Bleak
2. The Moor
3. Godhead's Lament
4. DotF (like there's any way it wouln't)
5. When
6. The Amen Corner
7. TNATSW
8. UTWM
9. rest of catalogue

[sonicst0rm]

So in foods class today I put Opeth on, and all the stupid freshmen girls said that it was scary and the teacher made me turn it off. Then they put 3 Doors Down on.

haha thats awesome what song was it

i should blast it in commons but everyone would hate me and think im a weirdo

[Eliminator]

i double bass along to songs when i'm sitting down and i'm like "yeah metttallll" but i don't think anyone realizes it

[sonicst0rm]

i double bass along to songs when i'm sitting down and i'm like "yeah metttallll" but i don't think anyone realizes it

ya me too i double bass in class all the time even if its not to a song

[Thor]

Yeah it really pisses me off, because it's so transparent.
Yeah, as soon as major labels grab onto bands they make them not as cool. :angry:

Still, I have to get it because I really want to the see the documentary.

[lightningmetal666]

ya me too i double bass in class all the time even if its not to a song

I wish I could do double-bass. I will not rest until I have learned to do necrophagist type batteries.

[Shattered_Future]

i double bass along to songs when i'm sitting down and i'm like "yeah metttallll" but i don't think anyone realizes it

I'm the opposite. EVERYONE knows when I do it, and I usually end up doing it during tests.

[Stormrider]

Pretty much every teacher and some other students tell me to stop tapping my feet :p

[132WalrusesInMexico]

haha thats awesome what song was it

i should blast it in commons but everyone would hate me and think im a weirdo
I had Ghost Reveries in, so Ghost Of Perdition.

[Deth]

Pretty much every teacher and some other students tell me to stop tapping my feet :p

Air bass drummers unite \m/

I do it soooo much, and have yet to find someone who can do it as fast or as evenly :cool:.

[Daven]

I do the same thing at class. :p Though, I should stop since my parents are receiving complaints and they are threatening me with taking away mu drumset. :upset:

[Darkness]

I don't just do it in class, I also do it at the dinner table and what not, pissing my parents off in the process.

[Stormrider]

\m/to air dummers.

Heh, sometimes I do it pretty good. But other times, it's just all over the place/not even haha.

[Daven]

I also like growling, even though i suck. I get a lot of stares though.

[Apocalypticon]

Air instrumenting is a rare talent that few actually posses. I unfortunately am not one of those people but I do anyway, although I don't think I've ever done it with anything slower like Opeth.

[Sleepy]

I can't do air drumming. I'm not half bad at air guitar, though.

[Kage]

I can air drum pretty decently, I'd say.

[pate]

Air drumming is awesome. My dormroom has a tile floor, so I get a nice loud bass sound. Sometimes I'll take two spoons or something as my sticks and drum on various books for different sounds. :p Good times.

[Apocalypticon]

Chop sticks = ultimate air drum sticks.

[pate]

Hahaha. I need to try that.

[Apocalypticon]

They are a must have. This topic reminds of a kid in my elementary school who would set up a drum kit with his pencil box and binder etc and use pencils to drum all throughout class.

[pate]

That kid is awesome.

[Crysiss]

I do that face when I air drum^^. Thats how good I am at it.

[Apocalypticon]

I've never heard of anyone yawning when they are air drumming, maybe when its really boring but then again air drumming is never boring.

On a different note I fell asleep last night listening to Orchid, which was cool cause I've never really considered it a sleepy time album.

[pate]

Air drumming is awesome. Anyone who says otherwise is not awesome.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

That face could easily be mistaken for 'metal' face, guys, give him a break. :p

I do a bit of air drumming while I'm driving. Mostly I just try and do a mock job at imitating Danny Carey's fills on my steering wheel. :lol:

[TojesDolan]

I air bass drum a lot. I play a lot of air instruments.

Trombone mostly.

[Neoteric]

They are a must have. This topic reminds of a kid in my elementary school who would set up a drum kit with his pencil box and binder etc and use pencils to drum all throughout class.I used to do that! Ah, great times.

[Stoo]

I do a bit of air drumming while I'm driving. Mostly I just try and do a mock job at imitating Danny Carey's fills on my steering wheel. :lol:

I do that :cool:

[lightningmetal666]

I know a guy that's building a drumset out of 5 gallon paint containers and sh*t. He doesn't sound too bad on them.

I'm not that bad at air drumming, depending on what I'm playing.

[metalhead_matt]

how do you guys pronounce opeth btw?

[Daven]

O-peth.

Ithink.

[Apocalypticon]

I know a guy that's building a drumset out of 5 gallon paint containers and sh*t. He doesn't sound too bad on them.

I'm not that bad at air drumming, depending on what I'm playing.

Sounds kinda like a cheap Stomp rip off to me. Air drumming while driving is good, but braking to the beat of the music is better.

[Stoo]

I say O-peth.

Others say O-Pith...

They suck.

[Eliminator]

it's pronounced o-peth

i used to say o-pith but that's when i jerked off little boys

[Apocalypticon]

I know one guy who pronounces it like the word opus except with eth instead of us.

[Stoo]

like...Awpeth?

Edit; I dunno. Buh.

[Apocalypticon]

Yeah pretty much like that. Its kinda hard to describe via interwebz and it also kinda depends on how people pronounce opus.

[Eliminator]

so is he some fudgepacker with a lisp?

[Apocalypticon]

:lol:

Lisp: I suppose you could say that
Anal Rapist: Hopefully not

[Stoo]

I wonder if any tards pronounce it Awpith.

[Eliminator]

"awwww PITH"

".. what happened"

"i'm talking abuot the band you thdupid hed!"

[Stoo]

1st guy: "Aww Pith"

2nd guy: "What's Piss?"

3rd guy: "No dude he doesn't have a lisp"

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I go with OH-peth. Works for me.

[beso negro]

I have always pronounced it as O-peeth

[sonicst0rm]

Air drumming is awesome. My dormroom has a tile floor, so I get a nice loud bass sound. Sometimes I'll take two spoons or something as my sticks and drum on various books for different sounds. :p Good times.

Today in physics class we started a whole class drum cirlce, it was so cool. everyone was tapping things like pencils, text books, feet, desks

then i started tapping a 5/8 beat really loud and everyone got confuzzled, it sounded cool though with like 8 kids doing it. those are so fun to start.

[Knifeboy]

"We are Oh-peth" - Mikael.. And I'm sure he knows how to pronounce his own bandname

[Duman]

like...Awpeth?

Edit; I dunno. Buh.

The way I imagine that sounds so Mikael-ish.

I just say 'Oh-peth'.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

"We are Oh-peth" - Mikael.. And I'm sure he knows how to pronounce his own bandname

Psh, he can't even spell his own name right though! :p

[metalhead_matt]

yeah, i was just having a debtae bout it lol
so O-peth(peth rhythm with beth)
excellent

[TojesDolan]

"We are Oh-peth" - Mikael.. And I'm sure he knows how to pronounce his own bandname
My thoughts exactly.

It's on the DVD so there's proof of it.

[Det_Nosnip]

I know they all line up, I'm just saying I just think of them as notes and dotted notes. I don't know, I'm a piano player more so than a drummer even though I play them, so I don't really worry about values as much as a drummer would. It just bugged me when you said "triplet feel" rather than "swing feel" because I've never heard anybody, even my jazz instructors refer to them as triplets.
That's funny, because I hear it pretty much interchangeably and have always been told to think of it that way. Honestly, it kind of scares me that someone could get into a position where they are a "jazz instructor" and not at least know to emphasis the triplet base, but maybe guitar or piano teachers can get away with it.

[Eliminator]

So I really need to get My Arms, Your Hearse after listening to some of it.

[BurningSky]

So I really need to get My Arms, Your Hearse after listening to some of it.

I can send it to you, if you want. Do you have AIM..?

[Eliminator]

haha two people say that within like ten minutes

yeah just look in my forum profile or something

i'm going to buy it eventually tho

[Apocalypticon]

So I really need to get My Arms, Your Hearse after listening to some of it.
MAYH isn't as good as everyone makes it out to be. It is definately a good album, but like many Opeth albums abit overrated. It doesn't really stand up to Orchid or Still Life.

[Eliminator]

Well I don't like Orchid, so..

[Stoo]

I think it takes a little longer to grow on some people.

[beso negro]

MAYH is easy to get into. "April Ethereal", "Amen Corner", "Demon on the Fall" and "When" are all actually rather accessable tracks. I liked them all the first time I heard them.

[Stoo]

The 2 Opeth albums I found easiest to get into were the first 2 I bought;
Blackwater Park then Ghost Reveries.

[Apocalypticon]

I think it takes a little longer to grow on people.Because its a flower right :p

Anyway yeah I guess its abit more inaccesible, but it is still super good. I don't get what people don't like about it. It has all the perfect Opeth elements, without being over the top like some of the later releases. And anyone who doesn't like Still Life is just plain dumb.

[Stoo]

Because its a flower right :p

Anyway yeah I guess its abit more inaccesible, but it is still super good. I don't get what people don't like about it. It has all the perfect Opeth elements, without being over the top like some of the later releases. And anyone who doesn't like Still Life is just plain dumb.

I was talking about MAYH but whateva! lol. He beat me to a post.

Although, I would have made that joke... >_>

[Apocalypticon]

Lets just pretend you did make that joke. I see Orchid as a more inacessible album than MAYH but not by alot. All three of the early Opeth albums are kinda hard to get into, which would explain why so many people start with GR or BWP. Orchid seems to have alot of out of nowhere changes, which is nice cause it makes it unpredictable but can make it hard on first time listeners cause the music can be jumping all over the place. That doesn't so much happen with latter releases. You can usually get a feel for where the songs are gona go on BWP, Damnation etc.

[BurningSky]

So, let's see who has been an Opeth fan the longest. What album was their latest release when you became a fan..?

Blackwater Park was their latest release when I became a fan. I had downloaded a few songs in mid-2002. The first album I bought, though, was Deliverance, which I got as soon as it came out...

[Stoo]

This is a question for all in ye ole 'Peth thread;

If you had to pick group of 4...

Orchid / Morningrise / My Arms, You're Hearse / Deliverance.
OR
Still Life / Blackwater Park / Damnation / Ghost Reveries.

There is no reason for the order. >_>

I would pick No. 2 I think, mainly because of Still Life and BWP...

although my ultimate 4 would be Morningrise / MAYH / Still Life / BWP

So, let's see who has been an Opeth fan the longest. What album was their latest release when you became a fan..?

Blackwater Park was their latest release when I became a fan. I had downloaded a few songs in mid-2002. The first album I bought, though, was Deliverance, which I got as soon as it came out...

I started downloading some songs about 2 months before Ghost Reveries came out. I hadn't been into metal long before that however. I only downloaded Black Rose Immortal and Bleak before deciding I'd buy all the albums. :p

[Apocalypticon]

Damnation was technically their most recent album when I started listening to them but I only started about 3 months before Ghost Reveries came out. My first album was BWP just like alot of people's.

EDIT: @Symbolic: First group easily.

[BurningSky]

The second group, definitely. Though Deliverance seems out of place in the first group...

[Stoo]

The second group, definitely. Though Deliverance seems out of place in the first group...

I had 2 groups of 3 at first (leaving out D + D) but I thought I'd add them in. I put Deliverance with the old school 'Peth for some controversy :naughty:

Damnation was technically their most recent album when I started listening to them but I only started about 3 months before Ghost Reveries came out. My first album was BWP just like alot of people's.

We're like Opeth buds!

[Eliminator]

group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two

[Apocalypticon]

You guys are all silly

Orchid > Still Life(tough choice though cause these are my two favourites)
Morningrise < Black Water Park(BWP is just better)
My Arms, Your Hearse > Damnation(no competition)
Delivernace > Ghost Reveries(another tough one since these are my least favourites)

[Eliminator]

I'm listening to Still Life atm.

[Apocalypticon]

Still Life has two of the most original and awesome Opeth songs of all time. The Moor and Benighted. Those two songs just make the album for me.

[Eliminator]

It gets kind of boring though. That doesn't happen with Blackwater Park though.

http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktopkm7.png

yay

[Shattered_Future]

group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two group two

This man has the right idea.

[beso negro]

that reminds me, I need to clean up my desktop. I have about 70 icons on mine.

[pate]

MAYH isn't as good as everyone makes it out to be. It is definately a good album, but like many Opeth albums abit overrated. It doesn't really stand up to Orchid or Still Life.

It's my third favorite Opeth album.

[Jude]

http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=desktopkm7.png

yay

I used to have that exact background...at other points in time I also had the Still Life and BWP covers, but the best Opeth background I ever had was this one: http://www.truemetal.org/metalwallpaper/images/opethdeliverance.jpg

[Eliminator]

Yeah I think that's where I got my wallpaper too.

[Jude]

I became an Opeth fan shortly before Ghost Reveries was released, so Damnation era I guess. I got into them mainly because so many people on MX who liked the same bands as me were also whoring Opeth - but that wasn't the main reason because I'd previously downloaded some songs like BRI, TDF, BWP and DOTF and couldn't get over the growls, nor did I like the metal parts that much.
I think the real reason was because I found out Steven Wilson produced for them, so I thought there had to be SOMETHING to them. Someone tipped me off that Damnation was an all-mellow album so I checked that out and liked and bought it. A little later I downloaded the leak of Ghost Reveries and liked it, but then checked out their other stuff and found that I liked it a whole lot more.

[Eliminator]

My friend lent me Blackwater Park, Damnation, and Morningrise and I pretty much instantly like them.

I didn't buy BP until last winter, and it's basically my favorite metal album.

[Thor]

My new avatar = ultimate Opeth fanboyness :D

[Jude]

My friend lent me Blackwater Park, Damnation, and Morningrise and I pretty much instantly like them.

I didn't buy BP until last winter, and it's basically my favorite metal album.

Still Life is by far my favorite metal album. Not that that's saying much, because I like probably about under 20 albums that could be considered metal. Let me see...

-Opeth's entire catalogue w/o Damnation = 7
-Rammstein's entire catalogue, although I don't like Herzeleid so much so = 3
-In Flames from Jester Race thru Clayman = 4
-Rage Against the Machine's s/t = 1
-Lateralus = 1

So yeah, 16.

Nice avatar Thor. Can you hook other people up with big avatars too or just get them yourself?

[Thor]

I do not have the authority to give big avatars. I am but a mere demi-mod.

[DaveTheAmazing]

Are Opeth any good live?

[VomitStainedCretin]

Are Opeth any good live?

They were very impressive at Download this year, even though hey only played 4 songs.

[pate]

Opeth are amazing live. I've seen them three times. Each time was goodness.

[Eliminator]

I need to see them live.

[Knifeboy]

Opeth is known to be one of the best live bands out there now

[Spoonful of Shame]

damn right

[Shattered_Future]

Opeth is more than great live. Terrific experience that everyone should be aware of.

[BurningSky]

It depends on what you'd consider a good live show. Their sound is absolutely flawless, they have great presence, and Mikael is a stand-up comedian between songs. However, if you are looking for improv jams, Opeth will not have them. The songs will sound the exact same as the album, only louder. I think the real treat of the show is listening to Mikael, easily the most entertaining frontman I've ever experienced...

[Shattered_Future]

Hey now...what about Closure live, eh?

But you do have a point, they don't jam that much. And I like that just fine...there's nothing wrong with that.

[beso negro]

However, if you are looking for improv jams, Opeth will not have them. The songs will sound the exact same as the album, only louder.

This is why I don't like Opeth live as much as everyone else.

[pate]

Why would you want them to ruin their damn near perfect songs by jamming?

[Apocalypticon]

Why would you want them to ruin their damn near perfect songs by jamming?

I'm gonna have to second this, but that doesn't stop me from saying Opeth aren't all that great live. I think they are alot more of a band to be experienced at home. Alot of their songs aren't really designed to be played live and so just don't have the same impact live as they do through the stereo. That being said though there are also songs that just scream to be played live like Demon of the Fall, Deliverance and The Drapery Falls(just to name ones they actually play). But I also think they don't choose their sets to well, because there are songs like The Moor, In Mist She Was Standing and Advent that to me scream to be played live and Opeth just don't. They are really solid live though, no slip ups anywhere.

[Apocalypticon]

fixed

[DaveTheAmazing]

Im thinking of going to see them, I cant make up my mind tho. I'd love to hear Closure live.

[Eliminator]

"Blacwater Park" live would gouge out my eyes or something similar.

[Txus]

I would kill to see Bleak live.

[Deth]

It was funny at Gigantour watching people who obviously hadn't heard Opeth but wanted to mosh.

*hardcore dancing*
*acoustic break*
*look around confused*

[wrathchild88]

haha

Anyone coming to the UK tour? I'll be at Birmingham on the 8th of November.

[sonicst0rm]

Why would you want them to ruin their damn near perfect songs by jamming?

didn't they do some improv stuff on their dvd on closure? That was real cool

[BurningSky]

I've seen Bleak and Blackwater Park live, both songs were incredible...

[Eliminator]

You suck.

[Txus]

I hate you.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I'd rather hear some improv or a few added sections than simply listening to the same songs "only louder." Granted, live music is always a greater experience than listening to studio music, but I like it a lot better when there's at least a few variations.