Opeth

[Shadows]

Vladimir is indeed awesome, but Ihsahn is superior.
I think Ihsahn's solo stuff really sucks. =/ Meanwhile, Vladmir is working wonders with Mirrorthrone and Weeping Birth.

That's a bit harsh, isn't it? I know plenty of idiots who love Opeth (not the present company, obviously 9_9).
No. No it's not. :mad:

[AA-12]

Mirrorthrone > Emperor.

[pate]

I love Ihsahn's solo stuff.

Emperor > Mirrorthrone (which still ****ing owns)

Fix'd

[Shadows]

Mirrorthrone > Emperor.
Most definitely.

[Stormrider]

I havn't heard any Mirrorthrone. I should search them up in a blog or something.

NP Opeth - The Moor :)

[pate]

They (he) is excellent.

[Stormrider]

What album should I get ?

NP Opeth - Godheads Lament

[pate]

I only have Carriers of Dust, but I hear all of his releases are excellent.

[Stormrider]

Hmm, I'll go ask in the BM thread :p

[Captain Quentin]

Opeth > Emperor, Mirrorthrone

*runs*

[pate]

*shoots*

[Shattered_Future]

What album should I get ?

NP Opeth - Godheads Lament

GAH THEY DIDN'T PLAY THAT LAST NIGHT!

They were better than people were making them out to be at Gigantour. Windowpane could have been a little bit less drummy, but Axe did a decent job with it. Mike sounded quite good on vocals, and their sound was decent, aside from the acoustic simulators.

[walk]

dide mike do his little jokes again. in toronto he told us to call them the sweedish cocks or something like that. They were awesome

[sonicst0rm]

dide mike do his little jokes again. in toronto he told us to call them the sweedish cocks or something like that. They were awesome

no he didn't say that one... he is funny tho. He told us if we didn't like windowpane we should shut the f*** up. He then said thank you in a death growl then said he doesn't talk like that normally... he said some more stuff too but I forget what it was

they were awesome. Deliverance was my favorite song by them that night. Leper affinity was great too

got a signed CD... it was pre-signed, but whatever, best I could do

[Shattered_Future]

"Does everyone know where Stockholm is?"

*crowd says yes*

"Very good, it's in Germany."

[Kage]

dide mike do his little jokes again. in toronto he told us to call them the sweedish cocks or something like that. They were awesome
Nah, he probably only did little jokes for your city.

[pate]

Yeah, he usually doesn't joke much on stage, except for in Toronto when you're in attendance.

[BurningSky]

Are there any videos out there of pre-Blackwater Park Opeth..?

All the ones I've ever found have been on the Blackwater Park tour and on...

[pate]

There are vids of them playing pre-BWP songs, but I don't know when they occurred.

[Thor]

Here's a pretty good video of them playing Demon of the Fall:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x68UJfLi1ho

[Stoo]

I've seen a vid of Forest Of October.

And When I think.

EDIT: I think the When footage was more recent though...

The Forest Of October Vid looked like it was old(ish).

[Shadows]

What album should I get ?

NP Opeth - Godheads Lament
Carriers of Dust. It's pretty unique stuff, epic atmospheric brutal melodic technical black/death metal. It's the later of his two albums so far.

So yeah, Opeth > Mirrorthrone (although it's close) > Emperor.

[Stormrider]

Heh, that's the one I got last night. Gave it a listen this morning. It's great stuff.

[Toaster]

dide mike do his little jokes again. in toronto he told us to call them the sweedish cocks or something like that. They were awesome

Haha that was hilarious. *crowd chants Opeth* "We've actually changed our name.. to 'The Cunts from Sweden'." *Crowd chants Cunts from Sweden*

"We didn't have any trouble at the border.. they took one look at us, and said, 'They're just so goddamn good looking! Except for that singer.. a turd, he is.'"

:lol:

^What band are we talking about here?

[Det_Nosnip]

I tried to get an Abba chant going while waiting for Opeth, but nobody humored me. :(

[Eliminator]

mikael akerfeldt, dancing queen

[Det_Nosnip]

One and the same!

[TojesDolan]

They should play more Salsa. To be quite honest.

[Thor]

They should play more Salsa. To be quite honest.
Their last album was pretty weird, so don't be surprised if they pull it off! :thumb:

Perhaps some polka would do.

[Kage]

Townsend beat them to it.

[Shattered_Future]

Yea, but deathpolka would be unbelievable.

[VomitStainedCretin]

Yea, but deathpolka would be unbelievable.

Oriental Death-Orchestral-Polka ftw :thumb:

[pate]

I would prefer Blackened Blues.

[Otherside]

flamencodeath plz.

[Moses]

I would prefer Blackened Blues.

It's not blackened but we got a metal song in blues form. First song on my band's demo.

[pate]

I do metal songs in blues form all the time. It's some serious fun.

[Moses]

Here:

www.myspace.com/thenorthendband

It's the Intro.

[Thor]

Yea, but deathpolka would be unbelievable.
Yo, I think you said you were gonna do a review for the new Into Eternity album. 3 were submitted in about 10 minutes, so join the bandwagon! :thumb:

[TojesDolan]

Yo, I think you said you were gonna do a review for the new Into Eternity album. 3 were submitted in about 10 minutes, so join the bandwagon! :thumb:
I seriously thought it was some error but then realized it wasn't so I lol'd a bit.

Anyway, Blackened Blues seems more plausible, although Axe joining can be a serious detriment/strange music alliance. :-0

[Det_Nosnip]

They should play more Salsa. To be quite honest.

God, no. I would hate to see how badly Axe would butcher THAT feel...:eek:

DUM, BA DUM DUM, BA DUM DUM, BA DUM BADUMBADUMBADUMBADUMBADUMBADUM BABABABABABABABABABBAABBAABBAABBA ABBA?! :confused:

[Thor]

I bet Lopez could own up on some salsa like no other, though.

God, I miss him so much. Opeth needs to can Axenrot and get a real drumming like Nicholas Barker. He's got amazing speed and is also really creative...so he'd be ideal for the band.

[TojesDolan]

Maybe Mike is expecting him to get better?

=[

He might as well get a better drummer for recording, though. Mikael can't be that dumb not to notice... or is he...?

:eek:

[Kage]

God, no. I would hate to see how badly Axe would butcher THAT feel...:eek:

DUM, BA DUM DUM, BA DUM DUM, BA DUM BADUMBADUMBADUMBADUMBADUMBADUM BABABABABABABABABABBAABBAABBAABBA ABBA?! :confused:

:lol:

Man, you've really got it in for this guy.

[Toaster]

Maybe Mike is expecting him to get better?

=[

He might as well get a better drummer for recording, though. Mikael can't be that dumb not to notice... or is he...?

:eek:

Notice what? I'm lost.

[TojesDolan]

Notice what? I'm lost.
That Axe can't keep up with Lopez's "suave swing". Yeah with italics in the suave and sh¡t.

[Daven]

Haha, suave swing.

Nobody will be able to replace ML.

[Shattered_Future]

Yo, I think you said you were gonna do a review for the new Into Eternity album. 3 were submitted in about 10 minutes, so join the bandwagon! :thumb:

I'm gonna wait...:p

3 reviews in 10 minutes is a bit much, even for me.

Come now, when I saw Axe, he wasn't as bad as people were saying he was. He managed to keep it together the whole show.

[Kage]

He put a dent in their show when I saw them with him. Everything was incredible except him. :-\

[Shattered_Future]

I didn't think he was that bad. Even on Windowpane, he ACTUALLY hit the snare drum softly at one point. :eek:

Course, bassdrums were still DOOM DOOM DOOM, but I could live with that.

[Thor]

I didn't think he was that bad. Even on Windowpane, he ACTUALLY hit the snare drum softly at one point. :eek:

Course, bassdrums were still DOOM DOOM DOOM, but I could live with that.
It's hard to live with you've already heard Opeth with a much better drummer.

Nick Barker should have filled in.

[Moses]

Well, he's good at metal but that's nearly useless in a band like Opeth.

[Kage]

Who's this Nick Barker clown?

[Thor]

Well, he's good at metal but that's nearly useless in a band like Opeth.
He's the coolest extreme metal drummer out there because he incorporates insane blasting with really creative parts. He's done some really cool stuff in softer sections of bands he has worked with, so I think he'd be ideal for the band after Lopez left.

Who's this Nick Barker clown?
The drummer for early Cradle of Filth, later Dimmu Borgir, Old Man's Child, Lock Up, and more. He's a beast.

[Shattered_Future]

Barker is an unbelievable beast.

Damn you Thor for giant IE avatar. I want one. :mad:

[Thor]

All of the sputnik regulars love you, so you could probably get one if you wanted. :)

[Kage]

He's the coolest extreme metal drummer out there because he incorporates insane blasting with really creative parts. He's done some really cool stuff in softer sections of bands he has worked with, so I think he'd be ideal for the band after Lopez left.


The drummer for early Cradle of Filth, later Dimmu Borgir, Old Man's Child, Lock Up, and more. He's a beast.
Sounds pretty good.

[Toaster]

When I saw Opeth with Axenrot I thought he played admirably. I saw them with Lopez once, and he actually screwed up a couple times, unlike Axe. The two times I've seen Axe live he hasn't impressed me, but he's been far from disappointing.

Does Barker drum on Dimmu's Death Cult? The drumming on that is really good. Definitely not fitting to Opeth however.

[Det_Nosnip]

Barker's another one with a really flat feel...I never cared for his playing all that much, TBH.

So, apparently Solefald are ****ing amazing. :eek:

[Shadows]

Nick Barker is fast as hell but he's a pretty chiseled metal drummer. He doesn't have the style in his playing that Opeth needs.

What Solefald album did you hear?

[Pebster49]

Opeth is just truely amazing, the first album I bought by them was "Damnation" because friends told me that it was the most mainstreamish sounding and would get me hooked and guess what it did. From then I bought "Orchid" and "Blackwater Park", which are even better than the first album I bought. These guys continue to impress me.

[Darkness]

Get Still Life.

[Moses]

I think they should just get Steve Gadd or Dave Weckl. Heck VC would be perfect. :p

/wonder's what Opeth would sound like with Dennis Chambers

Okay, for somthing more realistic they could get Jon Theodore from TMV or Abe Cunningham from Deftones.

[Darkness]

Really man? I'm sure Abe is great for the Deftones, but do you think he could really keep up with Opeth?

[Moses]

Ha, easily.

[Darkness]

So he could nail "Deliverance" no problem? Then kick into Windowpane?

[Moses]

Alot of people can "nail" Deliverance and Windowpane. Neither of those is really a challenge for a good drummer that can play hip-hop, jazz, rock and metal, which Abe can do. Plus he has even more groove than Lopez.

The only thing I don't think alot of people can touch Lopez in is the dynamics and that's what made him special. Plus playing in an unorthodox style for the genre.

[Darkness]

I thought Deliverance was a fairly dynamic song. But whatever, I don't know much about drumming, and from the Deftones I've heard, I don't recall any standout drumming. Please don't snap at me. :p

[Moses]

Lol, it's the more subtle things that Abe does in Deftones that makes him great. Plus if you've seen him solo, you'd know that he's damn good.

They could probably replace Lopez with my drummer...

[Darkness]

Or my drummer.

[Moses]

I really wanna know what happened to that MA SW and MP project.

(if you don't know the abbreviations, **** you)

The obvious answer is that Opeth and DT are busy. But still, I'd like to hear something from that.

[Darkness]

It actually took me a second to get the second and third ones. :lol:

Yeah, I'd like to know too. I bet maybe once Opeth cools off from the touring, Mike and the boys will get things started. We may even see that before a new Opeth record.

[Kage]

Highly doubtful, since PT is pretty busy themselves right now. Touring, then new album sessions, then more touring.

[pate]

I have very high hopes for the project. Hopes that will probably never be met.

[Darkness]

Oh alright, well we'll see then. I wonder what DT is up to as well.

[Kage]

Then again, what the hell do I know, there might be a break in there sometime. Just wishful thinking on my part.

[guitrguy]

Can you really complain?

New PT = awesome
New Project = awesome as well


Moonlapse vertigo is so badass.

[eighty d]

I really wanna know what happened to that MA SW and MP project.

(if you don't know the abbreviations, **** you)

The obvious answer is that Opeth and DT are busy. But still, I'd like to hear something from that.

The last I heard it was still supposed to happen in the fairly near future. I think someone asked about it in the MA Gigantour chat, and he said it was still on.

[TojesDolan]

Yes indeed about Moonlapse Vertigo.

A name for a song that I don't really get why it's called that way but it's a cool name nonetheless.

[the2stranger]

So, apparently Solefald are ****ing amazing. :eek:

Of course. :D:D

On the drummer topic:
Most of all, I want LOpez back, he just had an overal sound, that was just awesome and added so much.

[Kage]

Can you really complain?

New PT = awesome
New Project = awesome as well

Honestly I'd much rather just have a new Porcupine Tree album. I know the project will be good, but it will never escape the so-called supergroup that it is.

[Shadows]

Woooooooooh, my Opeth albums came today. I finally legally own Damnation and a second copy of Blackwater Park.

[pate]

Why the second copy of BWP?

[Shadows]

I had the original BWP but I wanted the limited edition with the amazing slipcase and bonus disc. Now I'm wondering what to do with the first version.

[TojesDolan]

I had the original BWP but I wanted the limited edition with the amazing slipcase and bonus disc. Now I'm wondering what to do with the first version.
Sell it?

[pixiesfanyo]

Break it.

Too stop the spreading of yucky yucker yuck.

[TojesDolan]

Break it.

Too stop the spreading of yucky yucker yuck.
Bad, bad chirstmas spirit.

[AA-12]

Jared, go away you fag.

Anyway, yeah. Opeth.

[pate]

Yes...Opeth.

I only own the regular BWP. What's on this bonus disc?

[Kage]

I didn't know of any bonus disc.

I second the question as to the contents of said disc.

[Thor]

Yes...Opeth.

I only own the regular BWP. What's on this bonus disc?
Two songs that weren't on the original copy, and some music videos.

The songs are "Patterns In The Ivy II" and "Still Day Beneath the Sun". They're both clean songs and they're pretty good.

[Shadows]

Actually, they're amazing. They're acoustic songs like Harvest but with the dark feel of Damnation.

Plus all of the artwork looks nice and fancy since it's limited edition.

[Kage]

Oh, I've heard both those songs.

I didn't like Patterns in the Ivy II at all.

What music videos?

[Shadows]

I think it's just Harvest, but I haven't checked it out yet.

[Thor]

Actually, they're amazing. They're acoustic songs like Harvest but with the dark feel of Damnation.

Plus all of the artwork looks nice and fancy since it's limited edition.
That's the only legal copy I've ever had. The all black slip cover is so metal! \m/

Harvest > Still Day Beneath Sun > Patterns in the Ivy II

[Darkness]

Oh, I've heard both those songs.

I didn't like Patterns in the Ivy II at all.

What music videos?

Are you serious? That song is wonderfull.

Both bonus tracks > Harvest

[Toaster]

Who produced GR? Jens something?

And could someone send me the two bonus tracks? I had them but deleted them or something.. can't find them in any case. Thanks.

bananaman__@hotmail.com

[Kage]

That's a pretty safe bet.

[Moses]

Oh, I've heard both those songs.

I didn't like Patterns in the Ivy II at all.

What music videos?

Wow, first time in a while I have to disagree with you on somthing.

[Kage]

Wow, first time in a while I have to disagree with you on somthing.
It was a good run.

[Shattered_Future]

I love Still Day Beneath The Sun. It's such a chill track, and it's quite beautiful.

[Thor]

It's a very good song, but the two deleted tracks just don't amount up to Harvest. That song has some of the best vocal work from Akerfeldt methinks.

But as far as great clean Opeth songs go, To Bid You Farewell and Benighted cannot be beaten.

[Darkness]

Face of Meeeeeeelindaaaaaaaaaaa!

[Moses]

Face of Meeeeeeelindaaaaaaaaaaa!

I love that song, just the transition could have been easier on the ears.

[Thor]

Everyone loves that song, but I'm weird and think it's one of the weaker songs on Still Life. I'm just more partial to The Moor, Godhead's Lament and Benighted. Those three are so incredibly beautiful, brutal, and epic.

[Darkness]

Everyone loves that song, but I'm weird and think it's one of the weaker songs on Still Life. I'm just more partial to The Moor, Godhead's Lament and Benighted. Those three are so incredibly beautiful, brutal, and epic.
/kicks you in the balls


Yeah, I love the Moor and Benighted. But Face Of Melinda is my favorite Opeth ballad, and very close to favorite song. I love everything about it.

I love that song, just the transition could have been easier on the ears.

I think it works, becuase of the transition in the story. It goes from peace, to when Melinda tells the main character about all that stuff. It's suppost to be unsettling. I love it. :D

[Jude]

Both bonus tracks > Harvest

Ugh ugh ugh!

Both are really mediocre...Harvest is beautiful.

[Darkness]

Ugh ugh ugh!

Both are really mediocre...Harvest is beautiful.

I find Harvest to be sort of bland. Decent track, but nothing really standoutish. I usually skip it when playing BWP, which hasn't been done for a long time....

[Shadows]

I find the two bonus tracks to be right on par with Harvest. Lately I'm liking them even more, but most likely because I've known Harvest for a long time and these songs are brand new to me. Harvest was the song that first caught my attention on BWP though. :D

Face of Melidnda always sounded odd to me. It's good...but strange for some reason. Anyhoo, I usually skip right to The Moor, Serenity Painted Death, and White Cluster.

[Kage]

I don't really listen to Opeth unless I listen to the whole album. Unless I just have a strange craving for one particular song (which happens with Deliverance usually). Some Opeth fans you guys are.

[pate]

Who produced GR? Jens something?

And could someone send me the two bonus tracks? I had them but deleted them or something.. can't find them in any case. Thanks.

bananaman__@hotmail.com

Me too, please.

leesmitty51 at gmail.com

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

It's a very good song, but the two deleted tracks just don't amount up to Harvest. That song has some of the best vocal work from Akerfeldt methinks.

But as far as great clean Opeth songs go, To Bid You Farewell and Benighted cannot be beaten.

Personally, I think the insturmentation of Harvest is too boring to be salvaged simply by Akerfeldt's vocals.

[pate]

I love Harvest. It's one of my favorite songs to play on guitar.

[TojesDolan]

≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡
≡≡≡It's a fun song to play indeed.≡≡
≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡≡

Anyway, I like both songs a lot. Very dark and with a much better lyrical content than some Damnation.

[Stoo]

I find the two bonus tracks to be right on par with Harvest. Lately I'm liking them even more, but most likely because I've known Harvest for a long time and these songs are brand new to me. Harvest was the song that first caught my attention on BWP though. :D

Face of Melidnda always sounded odd to me. It's good...but strange for some reason. Anyhoo, I usually skip right to The Moor, Serenity Painted Death, and White Cluster.


You skip to The Moor?

:p

[TojesDolan]

You skip to The Moor?

:p
If I don't feel like listening to ambience for like 2 minutes, then I also skip it.

= X

[Det_Nosnip]

What Solefald album did you hear?

Red For Fire - An Icelandic Journey was what prompted the comment.

[Det_Nosnip]

Personally, I think the insturmentation of Harvest is too boring to be salvaged simply by Akerfeldt's vocals.

I disagree. I think that the simplicity of it serves the song very well, especially standing next to songs like "Bleak." It's a breath of fresh air.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I love Bleak. What don't you like about Bleak? :mad:

PS: Red for Fire is gold. Sun I Call is one of my favorite songs of alllllllll time. \m/

[pate]

I think he means the complexity of Bleak. As in, the simplicity of Harvest sits well next to complex pieces, like Bleak.

[Det_Nosnip]

Exactly. Bleak is one of my favorite tracks. :D

What I like about "Harvest" is that it demonstrates that the band can craft a beautiful, emotional tune without having to go overboard.

[slack]

I bought Orchid recently. I'm suprised. Wasn't sure I'd like it as much as their later efforts. In Mist She Was Standing and Under the Weeping Moon are badass songs.

[Shadows]

Definitely. Orchid is one of the most criminally underrated albums ever.

[132WalrusesInMexico]

I just got Morningrise today, it's pretty good so far.

[pate]

Orchid and MR are at the bottom of the Opeth album pecking order IMO.

[Apocalypticon]

Definitely. Orchid is one of the most criminally underrated albums ever.
I would have to agree with you completely on that one. In Mist She Was Standing is my favourite Opeth song and that album features alot of other really good ones like The Twilight is my Robe and The Apostle in Triumph.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I can't get into Orchid at all. It just seems so drab compared to the vibe I get from their later releases. :shrug:

[Apocalypticon]

I find for me it is almost the complete opposite of that. I don't necessarily think of Orchid as the most accessible opeth album, but I find that it does something for me that none of the other can do(except MAYH). Morningrise has always been the Opeth album that has stiffled me the most. I still can't get into and can't listen to it all the way through, to long and towards the end to boring.

[Shattered_Future]

Orchid I could never really get into. Morningrise too for the most part, save TBYF. I think it's cause I started with the later albums first...those have somewhat of an easier acceptance factor in them.

[slack]

I find for me it is almost the complete opposite of that. I don't necessarily think of Orchid as the most accessible opeth album, but I find that it does something for me that none of the other can do(except MAYH). Morningrise has always been the Opeth album that has stiffled me the most. I still can't get into and can't listen to it all the way through, to long and towards the end to boring.Yeah. Blackwater Park and Still Life are both great, but I find myself listening to My Arms, Your Hearse the most. Probably because When is so mind-numbingly good and my favorite Opeth song ever. :)

[Kage]

Bah. When is nothing but a powerchord fest served up on loud drums.

[Shadows]

^barre chord*

It also has some fantastic clean vocals and melodic leads.


I find damn near every riff on Orchid completely entrancing.

[Thor]

Most Orchid riffs are pretty sweet, but some of the stuff on "The Twilight Is My Robe" gets tired after a while.

The first two tracks on the album are pure ownage, though.

[Apocalypticon]

The first song is pure ownage, the second however I would have to say isn't. I'm not a very big fan of Under The weeping Moon, its a good song up until the part past the middle where it gets really repetetive and just drones on and on, and its not very good live.

EDIT: In Mist She was Standing was the best Opeth intro riffs of them all.

[Thor]

I wouldn't imagine that song being the best live (I've just heard there's tons of feedback during that part), but I think it's a really awesome song on the album. I just love the atmosphere and ambiance of that album. It just sounds so creepy and evil. It's as if you're wandering through a dark, freezing forest at night and you hear the rustling of leaves and the moaning of trees.

And the intro riff in "In The Mist Was Standing" is so good that I learned how to play it. And I don't play guitar. :)

[Shadows]

Every Orchid song is pure mastery. It took years for the album to grow on me, but now that it has it's easily one of my favorites by Opeth.

[Kage]

I disagree I think it's total ****.

[Thor]

Every Orchid song is pure mastery. It took years for the album to grow on me, but now that it has it's easily one of my favorites by Opeth.
It's an enjoyable album, but Akerfeldt's vocals got exponentially better over time. That's one of the drawbacks from their first few albums. His clean vocals weren't nearly as refined as they are now.

[Stormrider]

I remember Orchid was the first Opeth album that I wanted. I still don't have it. That and My Arms you Hearse are definitely the next Opeth albums I'm buying though. I see them in stores now aswell, which is really good.

[Apocalypticon]

It's an enjoyable album, but Akerfeldt's vocals got exponentially better over time. That's one of the drawbacks from their first few albums. His clean vocals weren't nearly as refined as they are now.
Though that may be true, I think when it comes to his harsh vocals nothing beats the Orchid/Morningrise era Opeth. His vocals have that hint of old school death that just makes them that much better then the current ones. With the later stuff the vocals are kinda flip flopped from the early stuff. Clean stuff is really good but the growls are kinda generic.

[Eliminator]

His growls on ghost shitteries is generic

Otherwise you're wrong.

[Apocalypticon]

Ghost Reveries they're generic, Deliverance they're generic and a very very small amount off BWP are generic.

[Eliminator]

The growling on BWP is better than that on any of their other albums.

Orchid makes Kenny G. seem exciting.

[i am the robots]

You have to be kidding me.

Orchid (the band and the Opeth album both) and Kenny G. > you.

[Shadows]

The growling on BWP is better than that on any of their other albums.

Orchid makes Kenny G. seem exciting.
That's because you're an idiot.

It's an enjoyable album, but Akerfeldt's vocals got exponentially better over time. That's one of the drawbacks from their first few albums. His clean vocals weren't nearly as refined as they are now.
It's a genious album. His clean voice was great but the poor production made it sound awkward. Besides that, Orchid didn't rely so heavily on vocals like everything post-MR did. It was primarily about the instrumental work.

[pate]

Yeah. Blackwater Park and Still Life are both great, but I find myself listening to My Arms, Your Hearse the most. Probably because When is so mind-numbingly good and my favorite Opeth song ever. :)

MAYH is my third favorite, behind BWP and SL.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

His growls on ghost shitteries is generic


I see what you've done there...Very clever.

Anyways, there no way The Great Conjuration's vocals are generic.

[pate]

Some of the vocals and the solo are the only thing that isn't generic on it.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Will everyone stop ****ing saying Generic.

[Captain Quentin]

who gives a **** if something is generic or not? Opeth and ghost reveries are bloody awesome and that is that. :chug:

[eug008]

np: Opeth - Black Rose Immortal

Super song.

[Stoo]

It really is.

Fav Mike growling... = BWP, MAYH and Still Life.

And people said his clean singing is more refined on the later albums. I agree...

...But you simply cannot beat To Bid You Farewell for clean singing.

[VomitStainedCretin]

Orchid is a great album, although not my favourite (currently MAYH). I do find the opening riff to In Mist She Was Standing awesome for the first 30 secs or so they play it for, but it does seriously drag. Forest of October is one of my favourites (although there isnt a bad track on the album).

Does anyone else find the clean vox on April Ethereal amazingly spine tingling (in a good, non-creepy way)?

[TojesDolan]

Someone should define what's "generic" so we can like know what his standards are and then we can all laugh together.

[pate]

Well, I think that as a whole, TGC is quite generic, with the exception of the intro riff and solo. It just seems like we've heard it all a million times before.

[TojesDolan]

Yes it is. I define TGC as a generic song as well.

[pate]

So we're in agreement.

[TojesDolan]

Yes we are pate lol

[lightningmetal666]

Ghost Reveries they're generic, Deliverance they're generic and a very very small amount off BWP are generic.

Ghost Reveries-not really, I find that none of the stuff on this album to be "generic" in the sense that mainstream doesn't produce quality music like this. TGC is straight up death metal. Most ppl have a problem with this song because it's been overplayed. I agree with this, but it still doesn't make an arguement for it to be a bad song. Ghost of Perdition, Beneath the Mire, and Reverie/Harlequin Forest are IMO nowhere near generic and are very high quality songs.

Deliverance- This will probably be my next Opeth purchase. I can't give much of an arguement here because I haven't listened to it. I have heard Opeth play the title track live and I was very impressed with it (even with the crappy sound engineering)

BWP- In NO way is this album generic. The songwriting is genious at it's worst. Every part of the album is just teeming with fresh new ideas and things that have never been done before. My fav. songs are off of this album and it has been a heavy influence in my own personal songwriting. They use some very interesting chording in these songs and their clean singing has to be the best that I've ever heard.

[pate]

A lot of people don't like the vocals on those albums, including BWP, because they don't sound like a person, but instead like a huge metal machine.

[jpshortstuff]

Akerfeldt is a huge metal machine.

nobut i think the vocals sound perfectly human on all their albums. they still have character and dynamics and all the other stuff us humanoids do these days.

[lightningmetal666]

A lot of people don't like the vocals on those albums, including BWP, because they don't sound like a person, but instead like a huge metal machine.


I do admit that on BWP they covered the vocals in just way too much Reverb, but it does make the vocals sound gigantic.

[pate]

I've heard many people complain that they aren't emotional/human/"real"/whatever. I like them, regardless.

[lightningmetal666]

I've heard many people complain that they aren't emotional/human/"real"/whatever. I like them, regardless.

I find that their music has a little bit of everything in it.

Poetic lyrics, growling vocals, clean vocals, soft guitar melodies, grinding distorted riffs, creepy keyboards, etc.

For this reason alone I love them.

[jpshortstuff]

I find that their music has a little bit of everything in it.

Poetic lyrics, growling vocals, clean vocals, soft guitar melodies, grinding distorted riffs, creepy keyboards, etc.

For this reason alone I love them.
sir, you have summed up why i love Opeth right there. especially the riffs and growls :smash:

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

The keys are what made GR stand out for me, I think. It really added a lot to their sound.

[lightningmetal666]

sir, you have summed up why i love Opeth right there. especially the riffs and growls :smash:

I was reading the lyrics to the song BWP and the lyrics are amazing. I also love this riff because it is so damn catchy:


e:----------------------------
b:----------------------------
g:----------------------------
d:-----------------------6----
a:-/5-5-4h5p4p0-------5--5---
d:---------------1br-0------0-

[pate]

The keys are what made GR stand out for me, I think. It really added a lot to their sound.

Other than the intro to BOTH, I don't really care for them.

[jpshortstuff]

^^^^i love that bwp riff, both the clean and distorted version. they should go back to it later in the song methinks. growls fit perfectly over it.

[lightningmetal666]

Other than the intro to BOTH, I don't really care for them.

I think they should have integrated more keys into the songs. It seemed like the keys stopped for a good portion of the songs.

[pate]

When they did use them, the song kind of stopped just to make room for them, it seems.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

I was reading the lyrics to the song BWP and the lyrics are amazing. I also love this riff because it is so damn catchy:


e:----------------------------
b:----------------------------
g:----------------------------
d:-----------------------6----
a:-/5-5-4h5p4p0-------5--5---
d:---------------1br-0------0-

The 'bark' Akerfeldt during the acoustic to distorted switch on this riff is awesome.

[pate]

All of his barks are awesome.

WOOF *riff change*

[Shattered_Future]

The main riff in Bleak is unbelievably fun to play.

[pate]

Indeed!

[TojesDolan]

The funniez factor is mostly in "Serenity Painted Death", at least for me.

[pate]

My favorite Opeth song to play is Harvest, followed by Deliverence. Those are the only two I know all of.

[TojesDolan]

I know Wreath, Serenity painted Death, Moonlapse Vertigo, Leper Affinity, Bleak, The drapery falls, A fair judgement, Windowpane, weakness (lol) and Ending credits. Amazing Setlist.

[pate]

...I forgot about AFJ and Ending Credits. So I could open for your headlining Opeth set.

[TojesDolan]

You'd haveto yawn less. :P

[pate]

I'm sure I'd be yawning plenty, with the boringness of playing the first few minutes of AFJ.

[TojesDolan]

I'm sure I'd be yawning plenty, with the boringness of playing the first few minutes of AFJ.
Yeh. Let's get a super piano virtuoso that can shred that first part.

[pate]

:lol::lol:

Calling all Pers.

[Apocalypticon]

Yeh. Let's get a super piano virtuoso that can shred that first part.
Or you could just get one of those self playing pianos to do it. Now that would look cool.

[Luc214]

I was reading the lyrics to the song BWP and the lyrics are amazing. I also love this riff because it is so damn catchy:


e:----------------------------
b:----------------------------
g:----------------------------
d:-----------------------6----
a:-/5-5-4h5p4p0-------5--5---
d:---------------1br-0------0-

I didn't know Opeth used dropped D.

[Darkness]

Only in that song they did. And it worked.

[lightningmetal666]

I didn't know Opeth used dropped D.

A lot of GR is in Drop D as is BWP. I was more shocked that they used concert tuning instead of Drop D.

[Luc214]

A lot of GR is in Drop D as is BWP. I was more shocked that they used concert tuning instead of Drop D.

You mean standard E tuning??

Yes! I'll be able to play some Opeth songs! Because I have a Floyd Rose and the lowest tuning I can go to is dropped D without resetting the trem. And I have to have it in E for my lessons.

[Stoo]

I again, realised the amazingness of The Leper Affinity while in my car tonight.

Played it REAL loud. Awesome. :cool:

[lightningmetal666]

You mean standard E tuning??

Yes! I'll be able to play some Opeth songs! Because I have a Floyd Rose and the lowest tuning I can go to is dropped D without resetting the trem. And I have to have it in E for my lessons.

I try not to use too low of tunings, but I do have a weakness as of late in writing in drop D. I feel that I use it pretty intelligently however by making my own chords. For Example:

e|---|---|---|
b|---|---|---|
g|-5-|-5-|-3-|
d|-6-|-5-|-3-|
a|-x-|-x-|-x-|
d|-7-|-6-|-5-|

One of my fav. progressions that I've made in this tuning.

[Darkness]

I believe most of GR is in open D tuning, isn't it?

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Everything I've looked into is.

So that's Ghost of Perdition, Harlequin Forest, and The Great Conjuration.

[Sleepy]

I thought GOP was standard.

What do I know though? Bass player. :p

[Forlorn Hope]

I'm really getting into Opeth lately. It's cool cause, if I'm in the mood for heavy metal, I can listen to Opeth. If I'm in the mood for rock, I can listen to Opeth, and If I'm in the mood for soft acoustic stuff, I can listen to Opeth.
:D
:cool:

[Toaster]

I believe most of GR is in open D tuning, isn't it?

Most. Beneath the Mire and.. Isolation Years aren't. There might be one more but I don't think so.

[Stormrider]

I remember wanting to learn Ghost of Perdiditon. I got about at like the third page of the tab, and then suddenly stopped learning it. In the open D, it was the only thing I could play anyways...

[bucket]

DADFAD (open dm) tuning is insanely great.

But last I heard was that GR is in DADFAE.

I don't know for sure though.

[Det_Nosnip]

...But you simply cannot beat To Bid You Farewell for clean singing.

Sure, you can: Face of Melinda, Windowpane, Godhead's Lament, Bleak.

[Shadows]

Pretty much anything post-Morningrise has better singing. TBYF has excellent vocals, but Mikael progressed greatly as time went on.

[pate]

The chorus of GL just might be my favorite of Mike's clean vocals.

[Kage]

The best Opeth clean vocal section is in Bleak when he's trading off with Steven Wilson. That section is classic.

[pate]

That's really quality as well. Maybe the second best instance.

[Kage]

Bleak is just a great song overall. Great atmosphere, amazing solo in the acoustic break, fantastic clean and growled vocals, impressive structure, and still a headbangable live favorite.

[pate]

Definitely. It's in my top 5 Opeth songs no question.

[Luc214]

Bleak is just a great song overall. Great atmosphere, amazing solo in the acoustic break, fantastic clean and growled vocals, impressive structure, and still a headbangable live favorite.

I love that song. Especially the clean part.

[i am the robots]

I overlistened Bleak.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Can't beat White Cluster of The Lepper Affinity for me.

[Nostalgia]

I overlistened Bleak.

I hate when I do that. I'll find a really great song, but then get tired of it 'cause I listened to it too much.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

DADFAD (open dm) tuning is insanely great.

But last I heard was that GR is in DADFAE.

I don't know for sure though.

Shi', I thought it was straight up drop D.

/screwed

[Stoo]

I overlistened Bleak.

Same. Still listen to it though. But when I'm listening to Blackwater Park I have been skipping it recently.

[Apocalypticon]

For me when it comes to clean singing and acoustic/clean guitar nothing beats Benighted.

[TojesDolan]

Bleak builds up greatly. Despite the repetitive intro lyrics, it's overall a great song that flows amazingly.

[the2stranger]

Bleak is one of my favorite Opeth songs, the layered guitars create an hypnotizing effect and SW's vocals are great on that song, they work so good with Mikeal's ones. :)

[TojesDolan]

Some poeple don't like them because they're waaaaaay too high.

I can't sing them without stretching my voice to stupidly high levels.

[the2stranger]

I have quite a range, so I can sing along with them, though I have to warm my voice to be able to pull if off decently.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Can you guys do the intro to The Pot? That's what a real man does. :cool:

Bleak is probably my second favorite track off BWP, next to the title track.

[the2stranger]

I must say I'm not really familair with Tool's last effort, I don;t like it as much as previous stuff. :(

my favorite off BWP:
1. Title Track.
2. Bleak/ Leper Affinity/Dirge For November.
Too many awesome tracks on that album. :)

[Apocalypticon]

My favourites

1. The Drapery Falls(I'm with the fanboys on the awesomeness of this song)
2. Bleak
3. BWP or Leper Affinity

[Kage]

Some poeple don't like them because they're waaaaaay too high.
Why should that be a bad thing?

[the2stranger]

Why should that be a bad thing?

/Is listening to a song that last for 71:26.
:cool:
I agree with you Kage.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Jesus, Pete. I read your "np" in the comm thread, went off line to take a shower and eat, came back, and it was the same song. :lol:

What's it like?

[the2stranger]

:lol:
Yeah, it's that long. Haha.
It's a song by a Japanese Sludge/Drone band called Corrupted.
Their songs are quite long (atleast some of them are) and they sound so evil.
This music is poop-your-pants-worthy.
really hypnotizing, repetitive and dark.
Real mood music, I've been on a binge lately. :)

[Luc214]

Bleak is one of my favorite Opeth songs, the layered guitars create an hypnotizing effect and SW's vocals are great on that song, they work so good with Mikeal's ones. :)

SW?

Isn't that Mikael?

[Kage]

He and Mikael trade off/harmonize in one section.

[the2stranger]

SW?

Isn't that Mikael?

The clean parts on Bleak are partially Akerfeldt, partially Wilson.
The longer sentences are done by Wilson.
Their clean vox sound so much alike, but you'll hear a slight difference.
:)

[Kronos]

IMO SW is better with Mikael than on his own; PT's albums get boring with SW singing all the time

[Kage]

If this was the Porcupine Tree thread, I'd kick you out. Given that it's the Opeth thread, I'll let those kinds of things slide though.

[Kronos]

Well his voice is somewhat limited. And a bit weak.

The music's good tho'

[Luc214]

The clean parts on Bleak are partially Akerfeldt, partially Wilson.
The longer sentences are done by Wilson.
Their clean vox sound so much alike, but you'll hear a slight difference.
:)

Yeah he sounds almost exactly like Mikael.

[Kage]

Actually it doesn't. It's just because the vocals are undermixed there (to great effect mind you), that you hardly notice the change. I didn't until someone pointed it out to me, and now they sound completely different.

[Moses]

Well his voice is somewhat limited. And a bit weak.

The music's good tho'

I have to agree with you that SW's voice isn't that strong, however I never get bored of PT, just maybe out of the mood.

[TojesDolan]

Why should that be a bad thing?
It isn't. You know, just angry people and stuff.

Anyway... The Funeral Portrait.

[Kronos]

I have to agree with you that SW's voice isn't that strong, however I never get bored of PT, just maybe out of the mood.


Being a drummer, I'm not very good at musical theory and stuff, but a lot of PT stuff seems to me to be in the same key - the key that SW can sing in, whatever it is. This leads me to get tired of listening to them after a while. But the drumming is great. :smoke:

[Moses]

Being a drummer, I'm not very good at musical theory and stuff, but a lot of PT stuff seems to me to be in the same key - the key that SW can sing in, whatever it is. This leads me to get tired of listening to them after a while. But the drumming is great. :smoke:

Well every song usually goes through a number of keys. There are a few songs that just follow the same pattern though.

[Kronos]

See, I told you I didn't know much about keys and stuff. At least I was partly correct in my instincts

[Det_Nosnip]

Kinda...? :p

SW doesn't have a problem singing in different keys, trust me. Technically speaking, he's probably a better vocalist than Mikael, but I find the latter a bit more emotional.

[TojesDolan]

Yes indeed. What Mikael lacks in technique makes up for it in emotional singing.

[Dr. Jake Destructo]

Wilson's 3+ part harmonies are what make him stand out in my mind.

[BurningSky]

Porcupine Tree uses the standard rock keys, C, G, and D...

The reason why a lot of Porcupine Tree songs sound similar is because SW has signature chords that he uses in almost every song. Those chords are Dsus2, Cadd9, Dm9, and Bb6sus2 (?)...

[Kronos]

I knew this would get all technical... BurningSky, I was with you til Cadd9, then my mind f r o z e...

[Kage]

I don't think many PT songs sound the same.

[TojesDolan]

And E, A minors are what?

WHAT?

[BurningSky]

Um..how do I explain what key signatures and chord names are to a nonmusician..?

Tabwise, the chords look like this:

e-0--0--0--1----------
B-3--3--6--1----------
G-2--0--5--0----------
D-0--2--0--0----------
A----3-----1--------
E-----------------

Those are Dsus2, Cadd9, Dm9, and Bb6sus2 respectively...

[Shattered_Future]

I love minor 9 chords.

[lightningmetal666]

I win with technical chords. Here's a chord that I wrote (and it works musically):

Dsus2+5/G (followed by Dsus2/G)
eb:-0----:---0--|
bb:-3----:---3--|
gb:-3----:---2--|
db:-0----:---0--|
ab:-0----:---0--|
db:-5----:---5--|

Or try this chord:

Fmaj7b5/C:
eb:-0-:
bb:-0-:
gb:-2-:
db:-3-:
ab:-3-:
db:-0-:

Truth be told, I didn't know that these were the names of the chords that I wrote until now.

[BurningSky]

I'm a huge fan of this chord, which is a Bm6add9...

9
7
7
6
x
7

And this inversion of an E7 chord...

x
5
7
6
x
7

[lightningmetal666]

I like this progression:

Am to Amb5 to Em/B to Fmaj7b5/C

-or in tab-

eb:-0-:-0:-0-:-0-:
bb:-1-:-1:-0-:-0-:
gb:-2-:-2:-0-:-2-:
db:-2-:-1:-2-:-3-:
ab:-0-:-0:-2-:-3-:
db:-0-:-0:-X-:-0-:

[BurningSky]

How about this progression:

e----------------6--9-------------------------
B--6--6--3--2---6--7------------------------------
G--5--5--4--4---6--7------------------------------
D--6--6--4--3---5--6------------------------------
A--x--x--x--x---x---x-----------------------------
E--5--4--4--4---6--7------------------------------

That is A6, Fm, G#m7b5, C#7, Bbm6, Bm6add9...

It sounds great with an aggressive rhythm. Very powerful and dissonant...

[Det_Nosnip]

Porcupine Tree uses the standard rock keys, C, G, and D...

The reason why a lot of Porcupine Tree songs sound similar is because SW has signature chords that he uses in almost every song. Those chords are Dsus2, Cadd9, Dm9, and Bb6sus2 (?)...

I don't speak guitarspeak. What's a Bb6sus2?

Also, I believe that Sting was really into 9th chords as well.

[Dave de Sylvia]

As BB King says: "I don't do cow-ads"

I don't speak guitarspeak. What's a Bb6sus2?
A "sus2" chord is where the third note of the scale is replaced by the major second.

[Det_Nosnip]

Aaah, ok...and does the 6 imply that the 5th is replaced by a 6, or is the 6th in addition to the 5th?