Opeth

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Does anyone else in here barely like Morningrise at all?I really cant get into it for some reason.

[Meatplow]

I've only got Damnation, which i like a lot.

Whats the next step you guys would recommend?

[Kronos]

Does anyone else in here barely like Morningrise at all?I really cant get into it for some reason.

I'm personally not that keen on most of that album, but I love "To Bid You Farewell" - it's one of my very favourite Opeth tracks. Even though a lot of its 10 plus minute length could be chopped out with little loss.

[JamJar]

Does anyone else in here barely like Morningrise at all?I really cant get into it for some reason.

I agree. I just can't get into Morningrise or Orchid. They're not really my sort of music. But TBYF destroys everything else.

[Mr. Squiggles]

Does anyone else in here barely like Morningrise at all?I really cant get into it for some reason.

I love Morningrise. I can't really rate their albums, because I like them all. But it is one of my favorites.

[Kronos]

I've only got Damnation, which i like a lot.

Whats the next step you guys would recommend?

That's a tricky one, 'cos Damnation is absolutely nothing like any of their other albums, although there are some quieter tracks in most of them..

I think it's a case of take your pick and see, but personally I like Blackwater Park and Deliverence best on the whole.

[beastman168]

The first song I ever heard by Opeth was Master's Apprentices. I think right after that I went and bought the album Deliverance. I listened to it for about a month then I went and bought another album, "Blackwater Park". Yesterday I finally went and got "Ghost Reveries". I've listened to it about 4 times now and I love it. I own in all five albums by Opeth. "Damnation", "Ghost Reveries", "Still Life", "Deliverance", and "Blackwater Park". I don't really have a favorite Opeth song because they all kick ***, but Master's Apprentices has a special place in my heart, cause it was the first song I heard by them.

[Neoteric]

Hehe, I'm just getting into My Arms, Your Hearse

[JamJar]

Hehe, I'm just getting into My Arms, Your Hearse

So you should be. That album is ****ing amazing.

[Kronos]

The first song I ever heard by Opeth was Master's Apprentices. I think right after that I went and bought the album Deliverance. I listened to it for about a month then I went and bought another album, "Blackwater Park". Yesterday I finally went and got "Ghost Reveries". I've listened to it about 4 times now and I love it. I own in all five albums by Opeth. "Damnation", "Ghost Reveries", "Still Life", "Deliverance", and "Blackwater Park". I don't really have a favorite Opeth song because they all kick ***, but Master's Apprentices has a special place in my heart, cause it was the first song I heard by them.

Master's Apprentices is one of my fave tracks ever - I just love the crushingly heavy opening riff - and Martin Lopez's 32nd note double bass - awesome.
Pity about his problems and him leaving the band - he's my drumming idol. I expect his replacement is also very good ( I'll find out in November), what is it with Opeth and the name Martin? The replacement drummer's called Martin too, and none of them are english. It's like an english band having three members called Pascal or something...

[Neoteric]

So you should be. That album is ****ing amazing.
When is immense.

[JamJar]

I own in all five albums by Opeth.

There's eight. You're missing Orchid, Morningrise and My Arms, Your Hearse.

When is immense.

I love it. It's so emotional.

[Spoonful of Shame]

Master's Apprentices is one of my fave tracks ever - I just love the crushingly heavy opening riff - and Martin Lopez's 32nd note double bass - awesome.
Pity about his problems and him leaving the band - he's my drumming idol. I expect his replacement is also very good ( I'll find out in November), what is it with Opeth and the name Martin? The replacement drummer's called Martin too, and none of them are english. It's like an english band having three members called Pascal or something...

His replacement is very good. I got to see him live at the Opeth/Nevermore show. Still it just won't be the same without Lopez.

[Kreator2112]

Yea, he did a drum solo at that show. You can't really go wrong with Bloodbath.

[Kronos]

His replacement is very good. I got to see him live at the Opeth/Nevermore show. Still it just won't be the same without Lopez.
Does he play the drum parts exactly the same, or does he do his own thing (within limits)?

[Kreator2112]

Probably within limits. It's kinda hard to play the exact same thing on every song.

[Spoonful of Shame]

Does he play the drum parts exactly the same, or does he do his own thing (within limits)?

Lets put it this way. I didn't notice any majors changes in the drums. It was an amazing show and the drums were no exception.

[Kronos]

Lets put it this way. I didn't notice any majors changes in the drums. It was an amazing show and the drums were no exception.

Sounds good! I wouldn't expect him to play exactly the same as Lopez - even he didn't play the songs identically live and studio, but hats off to him if the new guy can do it virtually the same; their songs are hard enough being mainly long with lots of different parts, but when you have to imitate another drummer's feel and style it must be much more difficult.

/looks forward to November even more now....

[Kreator2112]

When do Gigantour tickets go on sale?

[Iron Bars]

Sounds good! I wouldn't expect him to play exactly the same as Lopez - even he didn't play the songs identically live and studio, but hats off to him if the new guy can do it virtually the same; their songs are hard enough being mainly long with lots of different parts, but when you have to imitate another drummer's feel and style it must be much more difficult.

/looks forward to November even more now....

It was that I had read that Lopez was not there or I would not have noticed the difference. I'm more interested in how he is going to preform on the next studio album.

[Shattered_Future]

There's eight. You're missing Orchid, Morningrise and My Arms, Your Hearse.



I love it. It's so emotional.

He said IN all. Which means he knows there's 8, but only owns 5.

/grammer police ftw.

Pretty sure I'm going to Gigantour. If there's no tickets to a Jones Beach show (which I'm hoping will be one of the TBD dates), I'm pretty sure I'm gonna go to PNC.

[JamJar]

He said IN all. Which means he knows there's 8, but only owns 5.

/grammer police ftw.

Misreading ftl :(

[beastman168]

My fault, there's suppose to be a comma. It won't let me edit it.

[BlackFire_]

Im finding "To Bid You Farewell" a masterpiece right now. This song is amazing, I dislike new Opeth though, Ghost Reveries was horrid, IMO.

[Spoonful of Shame]

Ghost of Perdition, Reverie/Harlequin Forest, The Baying of the Hounds, and Beneath the Mire are all amazing songs off Ghost Reveries.

Overall, I think it is a really good album. Not a classic album or anything by Opeth's standards but has some amazing songs on it. \m/

btw, The Grand Conjuration is so heavy sounding live. Its intense.

[JamJar]

I'd say it's about middle in my order of Opeth albums. It's got some amzing tracks (Isolation Years, Ghost Of Perdition) but also some not so good ones (The Grand Conjuration, Atonement) The songs generally drag on a bit for me though.

[Kreator2112]

I'd still put it near the bottom..along with D1.

[JamJar]

Yeah it's above D1 and the Orchid and Morningrise. The latter two do nothing for me at all.

[BlackFire_]

I find Mikael's vocals on the new albums very annoying, personally. If you listen to "In Mist She Was Standing" and then "The Grand Conjuration", there's a huge difference.

[Kreator2112]

MR is not anywhere near the bottom.

It's hard to make a bottom when all have such great elements.

[Spoonful of Shame]

Exactly. None of Opeth's albums are crappy or anything but when ranking them even the albums you would put on the bottom are still really good.

[Kreator2112]

I have to go to work now, you guys have fun.

[Shadows]

I find Mikael's vocals on the new albums very annoying, personally. If you listen to "In Mist She Was Standing" and then "The Grand Conjuration", there's a huge difference.
That's a little backwards. His vocals on Orchid and Morningrise were sloppy and unpolished while his voice on Ghost Reveries is near perfect.

[Kronos]

I don't really care for GR as much as the earlier albums, (still good tho', esp. Harlequin Forest), and the video for TGC makes my flesh crawl - I quite liked the track until I saw it, now it's put me off

Yeah I know, it's pathetic. :-(

[Darkness]

GR is at the very bottom for me now. After almost a year, there's no songs I find myself going back to listen to.

[Shattered_Future]

I still love The Grand Conjuration. It's simple, yet asskickery, especially live. Video blows though.

[Shadows]

GR is my second most frequented Opeth album.

[Darkness]

Yeah, the only time I enjoy GR is when the songs are live. The material was ment for a stage, IMO.

[Crysiss]

I still love The Grand Conjuration. It's simple, yet asskickery, especially live. Video blows though.

I thought the vid was decent, I dont get why everyone hates it. the intro is like 80% Shorter though lol.

EDIT: Upon looking at it again, I concur.

[Darkness]

Really man...? That video was horrible. It had nothing to do with the song, and was incredibly cheesy.

[Crysiss]

See edit ^^

haha.

[Darkness]

Oh ok. :p

[fwqhgads ²]

Opeth was one of the first bands I started listening to when I was getting into metal. I really enjoy their music.

[Jude]

Ghost Reveries is above Orchid and My Arms Your Hearse for me, but below the rest.

[Crysiss]

Opeth was one of the first bands I started listening to when I was getting into metal. I really enjoy their music.

When did u get into music? First music I listened to was Metallica lol and Collective Soul.

I think I was about 8 or so.

[VomitStainedCretin]

The Grand Conjuration is a great example of Opeth's ability to write some truly evil sounding stuff. Demon of the Fall and title track off Blackwater Park are other good examples. In fact, BP is a candidate for my favourite Opeth song.

[JamJar]

In fact, BP is a candidate for my favourite Opeth song.

Awsome song. I love it. Very fun to play on the geetah aswell.

[VomitStainedCretin]

As much as I love Opeth, I do find, particularly on their longer songs, that I have trouble paying full attention to them. However, theyre so good this isnt really a problem.

[VomitStainedCretin]

BP is a long song I definitely dont have that problem with though.

[JamJar]

The only long Opeth songs I have trouble with is the first two albums and Ghost Reveries. The rest is not over extended at all. Especially Still Life. That's an orgasmatron of an album.

[VomitStainedCretin]

Which particular songs off Ghost Reveries cause The Grand Conjuration is pretty much good the whole way through and most of Ghost of Perdition gets my full attention.

[Super Wotan]

As much as I love Opeth, I do find, particularly on their longer songs, that I have trouble paying full attention to them. However, theyre so good this isnt really a problem.
Same here, I wish they'd keep things short.

[Alex]

then its not opeth :thumb:

[Kreator2112]

I just downloaded Orchid again.

In The Mist She Was Standing

[Jude]

I kind of get lost in the songs on MAYH and Orchid...they don't hold me like the others do. Even Black Rose Immortal, through all its random twists and turns, keeps my attention. That's why they're at the bottom of my list.

[Vegetaman]

Despite the lengthyness of Opeth, they do manage to keep it fresh with all their sudden twists and turns I find. Never a dull moment.:chug: :chug:

[Daven]

Despite the lengthyness of Opeth, they do manage to keep it fresh with all their sudden twists and turns I find. Never a dull moment.:chug: :chug:

The only repetitive parts i can remember by Opeth are one in BWP (song) the acoustic part, and the ending of Deliverance, which is amazing.

[Kreator2112]

It seems everytime I listen to one of their lengthy songs, I notice something in the song I didn't the last time I listened to it.

Strange.

[Vegetaman]

Things like the ending of Deliverance (the song) WOULD be boring, if not for the awesome drumming that Martin Lopez spices it up with.

[Txus]

^^ Martin was the MAN :(

[VomitStainedCretin]

It seems everytime I listen to one of their lengthy songs, I notice something in the song I didn't the last time I listened to it.

This is definitely true, each time you listen to an Opeth song, youll make some new amazing guitar or lyrical line and learn to appreciate the song in new ways. Id prefer if they kept with longer songs because of this - also shorter Opeth songs dont have the epicness, atmosphere and feeling that length allows to build up.

[Kronos]

I still think the end of Harlequin Forest goes on way too long. Otherwise a great track. Opeth songs just don't seem to last as long as they actually are - Bleak, To Bid You Farewell, The Drapery Falls, Master's Apprentices etc etc all seem a reasonable length to listen to.

I listened to "Temple Of Love (92 remix)" the other day, and it's only just over 8 mins long but seemed to last forever! That's the difference between Opeth and lesser bands

[pate]

This is definitely true, each time you listen to an Opeth song, youll make some new amazing guitar or lyrical line and learn to appreciate the song in new ways. Id prefer if they kept with longer songs because of this - also shorter Opeth songs dont have the epicness, atmosphere and feeling that length allows to build up.

Agreed.

[beastman168]

Ghost Reveries is a good album to listen to in my opinion. I don't seem why everyone seems to be putting it down. There's only one song I don't really like that much and it's "Atonement". It is just the same thing over and over on it. It's a good song to listen to while your thinking of something else though.

[Jude]

I listened to "Temple Of Love (92 remix)" the other day, and it's only just over 8 mins long but seemed to last forever! That's the difference between Opeth and lesser bands
Temple of Love (92 remix) is ****ing awesome though. Sisters of Mercy ftw.

Which reminds me, I have their 3 studio albums but that song isn't on any of them...I'll be getting an mp3 player in a few days so I'll put it on there.

[fwqhgads ²]

When did u get into music? First music I listened to was Metallica lol and Collective Soul.

I think I was about 8 or so.
When did I get into music? Music in general, or just Metal?

Anyways, I've been listening to music since I was brought home from the hospital. I remember listening to The Doors when I was 4.

Music has had a huge impact on my life. I honestly don't know what I would do without it.

I got into metal late last year.

[Kronos]

Temple of Love (92 remix) is ****ing awesome though. Sisters of Mercy ftw.

Which reminds me, I have their 3 studio albums but that song isn't on any of them...I'll be getting an mp3 player in a few days so I'll put it on there.

The song is good, and I like an awful lot of Sisters Of Mercy stuff, but it does go on
and on

and on. I think it'd be a better track at 5 mins not 8, 'tis all

[Shadows]

Why is Opeth so damn good?

[Jude]

The song is good, and I like an awful lot of Sisters Of Mercy stuff, but it does go on
and on

and on. I think it'd be a better track at 5 mins not 8, 'tis all
I guess. It stop at about 5 minutes and then basically repeats all the parts from the first section but in a different order :lol: Coolass riffs though.

[Shattered_Future]

Why is Opeth so damn good?

Cause they're Swedish.

[Shadows]

I've heard plenty of Swedish crap in my time.

[Txus]

I've seen a lot of hot swedish girls, does that count? :p

[Tyr]

All Swedes are like gods among men!

/is Swedish and can think of lots of exceptions to that statement.

[i am the robots]

I've heard plenty of Swedish crap in my time.

no, you just think you have.

wait... marduk :upset:

[Txus]

Don't even get me started in Marduk, they suck balls live.

[i am the robots]

Jocke Gotborg was in the band for a short period of time... they sucked dramatically less then.... but even he couldn't make them not suck balls.

[Interviewer/surveyer]

Why is Opeth so damn good?
Why is Opeth so damn mediocre, thats my question?

I dunno, they have their moments, but id take Tool over Opeth anyday.

[Txus]

They're 2 different bands though.

[gmoneyguy]

Why is Opeth so damn mediocre, thats my question?

I dunno, they have their moments, but id take Tool over Opeth anyday.
Who are you comparing Opeth too? I cant think of any bands that they are copying, and the bands that have "copied" them are not even that much like them.

[Spoonful of Shame]

Why is Opeth so damn mediocre, thats my question?

I dunno, they have their moments, but id take Tool over Opeth anyday.

hahahahaha

[Shadows]

Why is Opeth so damn mediocre, thats my question?

I dunno, they have their moments, but id take Tool over Opeth anyday.
They're actually not mediocre, it all depends on what kind of taste (or lack thereof) you have.

[Insipid2000]

Neither Opeth or Tool are mediocre, you need to use your ears to distinguish between mediocre and non mediocre bands. For Example In metal mediocre would be bands such as, Killswitch Enagage or Triviums Ascendancy where lots of riffs are repeated.

[pate]

I really don't understand the point of going into a thread on a certain band and then bashing said band.

[Darkness]

I really don't understand the point of going into a thread on a certain band and then bashing said band.
That's a really, really good way to get attention.

[Moses]

Neither Opeth or Tool are mediocre, you need to use your ears to distinguish between mediocre and non mediocre bands. For Example In metal mediocre would be bands such as, Killswitch Enagage or Triviums Ascendancy where lots of riffs are repeated.
And Opeth doesn't repeat riffs? Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Opeth fanboy but their strength is dynamics.

Oh and I like KSE.

[pate]

That's a really, really good way to get attention.

True, but a really lame way.

[Darkness]

Opeth doesn't repeat riffs THAT often Moses... there are some repetitive rhythms though.

[Moses]

Well, I think the riffs are repeated for way too long sometimes. Even in some of my favorite songs of theirs one riff can be repeated anywhere from 16 to 64 times. It's not always a bad thing though.

[Darkness]

Oh sorry I misunderstood, I was talking about throughout different songs. I agree with you there... a few riffs drag on a bit much.

[Moses]

When did you get a name change?

[Killtacular]

This just in:

Opeth rawks.

[MrRhodes]

I've just sarted kind of liking Opeth but not when they do that annoying style of screaming, any song/album suggestions? (PS. I dont mind a little of the screaming I just prefer when they sing or whatever)

Oh and I really like "The Drapery Falls"

[beastman168]

Well if you don't like the screaming part you should check out their album "Damnation". There's none on it. It was an experimental album.

[MrRhodes]

Thanks beastman, any more? I dont mind the screaming just not too much of it.

[beastman168]

That's the only album, but there are some songs like "A Fair Judgement" that don't feature any screaming.

[JamJar]

Get Still Life. That is their most clean vocal laden album which also has heavy parts.

[MrRhodes]

Thanks for the suggestions, I'll get right on it :chug:

[Jude]

Get Still Life. That is their most clean vocal laden album which also has heavy parts.
Actually I think Ghost Reveries has considerably more clean vocals for one of the "heavy" albums...but Still Life is also their best album and an absolute masterpiece. Go for it.

[MrRhodes]

I'll just do both then :) Thanks for the help.

[BurningSky]

Well, I think the riffs are repeated for way too long sometimes. Even in some of my favorite songs of theirs one riff can be repeated anywhere from 16 to 64 times. It's not always a bad thing though.

What Opeth song features the same riff repeated 64 times..?

[JamJar]

Probably the end of Deliverence, but that doesn't drag on at all.

[Spoonful of Shame]

Well to the band it must drag on because when I saw them play Deliverence live, they cut the ending short. I wish they wouldn't have. I am not sure if they do that all the time though.

[Darkness]

When did you get a name change?
Bout a week ago. Most people still called me Darkness, so I thought this was fitting.

[Shattered_Future]

Well to the band it must drag on because when I saw them play Deliverence live, they cut the ending short. I wish they wouldn't have. I am not sure if they do that all the time though.

We got the whole ending, plus a bit more. :cool:

[Darkness]

They cut it a few bars short both times when I seen them play it. Mikael said the reason it's so long is because they ment to have it fade out, but then they decided against that.

[Crysiss]

I get bored of it when I listen to it. Fun to play though.

[Ephemeral]

Cause they're Swedish.
ABBA were swedish too.

[JamJar]

And what's wrong with ABBA? :mad:

[VomitStainedCretin]

Well, for starts one of the girls was the bastard-child of a Nazi officr, but then again you cant blame the parents for their mediocre Euro-Pop.

[JamJar]

ABBA is some of the best pop I've ever heard. They're actually are quite good.

[Moses]

F E R N A N D O !!!
What Opeth song features the same riff repeated 64 times..?
BWP for one. Not saying Opeth aren't the ****.

[Kage]

Well, BWP's riffs are so good that they're worthy of that much repetition.

[Moses]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Their strength lies in the content, not how many times they play it. Strict numbers would give the impression that they're extremely boring.

[Interviewer/surveyer]

They're actually not mediocre, it all depends on what kind of taste (or lack thereof) you have.
by mediocre, i mean, "I don't think Opeth is very good for my taste, therefore i think they're mediocre".

[Interviewer/surveyer]

That's a really, really good way to get attention.
yeah, it is. :) Really, saying a band is mediocre isn't bashing. Opeth is a good band, i just don't like them, they appear bland to me. I like going into threads where every post is "Opeth rawks" and "why is Opeth so damn good?" and saying something like "they're just mediocre". Im not stupid enough not to realize that Opeth is really popular and is very musically talented, thus making them a good band. I just don't care for 'em too much.

[Moses]

Mediocre means they're not a good band.

[Interviewer/surveyer]

Mediocre means they're not a good band.
no, mediocre means i've listened to them for the first month i got their cd, though they're okay, and might listen to them once a month or so.

[pate]

Mediocre =/= good

[TojesDolan]

Mediocre means there's nothing admirable or interesting in their production, or that they are as pretty much any other band out there. There's nothing outstanding in their existence, period.

[Crysiss]

yeah, it is. :) Really, saying a band is mediocre isn't bashing. Opeth is a good band, i just don't like them, they appear bland to me. I like going into threads where every post is "Opeth rawks" and "why is Opeth so damn good?" and saying something like "they're just mediocre". Im not stupid enough not to realize that Opeth is really popular and is very musically talented, thus making them a good band. I just don't care for 'em too much.


I dont get why you have to come in here and say it though. Were not going to try to convert you into liking Opeth or to tell you to get lost.

Didnt you post this before as well?

[NymphetamineX]

So, I've kinda been out of the loop for a while. What's the skoop on this new Martin Axenrot guy? Is he anywhere near as good as Lopez was? And why exactly did Lopez leave?

[pate]

Lopez left for supposed back and psychological problems. There was a big rumour about a heroin addiction as well.

Axe has got mighty blast beat skills, but live, on some softer material, he just kind of pounded away, without much finesse. But we'll see how he is on record.

[Elmo McCheese]

I wouldn't like to hear a lot of blast beats in Opeth songs tbh

[Kage]

It would ruin Opeth if there were too many blastbeats.

[Crysiss]

It'd be interesting to hear it for 10 seconds or so though.

[NymphetamineX]

Agreed on the blastbeats. That isn't Opeth at all. Damnation is one of my all-time favorite albums...

Any news on a new album at all? Thoughts on what it might sound like? I think as long as you have Mikael, Peter, and Mendez, then it should still sound like Opeth, but Lopez's drumming was really unique, I think, just because it was all just double-bass blast beats and such. He just had cool fills and stuff.

[i am the robots]

Lopez left for supposed back and psychological problems. There was a big rumour about a heroin addiction as well.

Axe has got mighty blast beat skills, but live, on some softer material, he just kind of pounded away, without much finesse. But we'll see how he is on record.

A Porcupine Tree/Opeth rep guy I met said he has troubles with cocaine... he could've just been fagging us, but he seemed pretty legit.

[pate]

Agreed on the blastbeats. That isn't Opeth at all. Damnation is one of my all-time favorite albums...

Any news on a new album at all? Thoughts on what it might sound like? I think as long as you have Mikael, Peter, and Mendez, then it should still sound like Opeth, but Lopez's drumming was really unique, I think, just because it was all just double-bass blast beats and such. He just had cool fills and stuff.

Blastbeats used very sparingly could be cool. But there will probably be either never used or constantly used. There's rarely any middle ground.

Mike said that he wrote a song the other day. But with G2, and their assorted other tours, I wouldn't expect an album to come out any less than a year from now.

EDIT: @ Matty, yeah. And his and Mendez's constant weed use is the stuff of legend.

[i am the robots]

Yeah, they always look high.

I think the Black Dahlia Murder disproves the concept of, 'too many blast beats.'

[LifeofMusic]

I just looked at the Gigantour site, found out Opeth was playing, and proceeded to cream my pants. :)

[TheOpethAffinity]

i could have went to a opeth show A COUPLE OF MILES away from me, a few months ago. it was at the wiltern...apparently they were going to play every single album, chronologically. i didnt go...i found out about like 2 days before it happened. i didnt bother to get tickets...wow, i missed a good opportunity.

[LifeofMusic]

same thing happenend to me. I was mad at myself for a month. Now I have a chance to redeem myself.

[TheOpethAffinity]

same thing happenend to me. I was mad at myself for a month. Now I have a chance to redeem myself.

did you miss the show at the wiltern?

[Spoonful of Shame]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G2jlXUkJ84&search=Opeth%20live

Axe sounds alright to me. He is no Lopez but he probably is the best replacement they could get. I am looking to their new album and the different style Axe will bring.

[pate]

i could have went to a opeth show A COUPLE OF MILES away from me, a few months ago. it was at the wiltern...apparently they were going to play every single album, chronologically. i didnt go...i found out about like 2 days before it happened. i didnt bother to get tickets...wow, i missed a good opportunity.

Well damn, that's a lot of stage time for them. :lol:

It was "songs from each album, chronologically", which turned into one from the first four albums, and then an onslaught of new stuff.

[Carrionshine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G2jlXUkJ84&search=Opeth%20live

Axe sounds alright to me. He is no Lopez but he probably is the best replacement they could get. I am looking to their new album and the different style Axe will bring.

The tempo of that song is slowed down a bit by him. But all in all its not that bad.

[Nostalgia]

After listening to Morningrise a lot, I think To Bid You Farwell is on of their best acoustic performances. Mikael's voice is amazing in it I think.

For Absent Friends is also up there with my favorite acoustic
performances.

[AA-12]

TBYF is so amazing.

[penelope weird hands]

After listening to Morningrise a lot, I think To Bid You Farwell is on of their best acoustic performances. Mikael's voice is amazing in it I think.

For Absent Friends is also up there with my favorite acoustic
performances.

TBYF is so amazing.

Aye. :chug:
I must give Morningrise afew more decent listens soon.

But man, the album of the hour (for me anyway) is definately My Arms, Your Hearse.
Is it me or does that album just get better and better?
It's some of the most amazing riffage and harmonies mixed with brilliant creative drumming and brutality from the vocals I think I've ever heard.

Alot of stuff I've never really noticed just came alive for me recently with the aid of earphones - just awesome melodies and rhythms.
It has made it's way to the top for my fav album list and it's good to know that this is just the beginning of my appreciation for this album.

I cannot praise it enough!
MAYH ftfw! :smash:

...Phew! I think the fanboy in me is relieved and content... for now. :p

[Luc214]

Anyone reccomend older Opeth?

I have Blackwater Park, Ghost Reveries, My Arms, Your Hearse, and Damnation.

I want Still Life and Deliverance,

does anyone reccomend Orchid and Morningrise?

I heard some of Orchid awhile ago and I didn't like it. But that was a long time ago, before I really got into Opeth.

[Darkness]

Get Still Life and Deliverance first, then trail back to the others. Good albums, just takes getting use too more then the other two.

[Moses]

Anyone reccomend older Opeth?

I have Blackwater Park, Ghost Reveries, My Arms, Your Hearse, and Damnation.

I want Still Life and Deliverance,

does anyone reccomend Orchid and Morningrise?

I heard some of Orchid awhile ago and I didn't like it. But that was a long time ago, before I really got into Opeth.
The first two are a little more harsh but the content is still good, so you'll probably like them either way. I mean come on, it's Opeth.

[Darkness]

I just saw on Youtube some guy post that "Opeth is the worst excuse for Doom Metal" he's ever heard....


Yeah, and Emperors the crappiest power metal to date.

[Anglachel]

I just saw on Youtube some guy post that "Opeth is the worst excuse for Doom Metal" he's ever heard....


Yeah, and Emperors the crappiest power metal to date.
Link plzkthx

/gets torch ready for flaming.

EDIT: I wonder where the hell he heard Opeth were Doom Metal?

[i am the robots]

Haha, yes, I saw that and died a bit inside.

[Darkness]

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=dyiQjwajllo&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3DdyiQjwajllo%26mode%3Drelated%26search% 3D

[pate]

*cries* I hate people.

[Nostalgia]

The only thing that actually makes me bad on To Bid You Farwell is the growls. For me, the song is almost ruined then. I think the song should be purely acoustic.

Not to mention that it's also one of Opeth's best-written song.

[Shadows]

I feel the exact same way. The clean/acoustic parts are perfect, but the distortion and growls kind of ruin the mood.

[Nostalgia]

Yeah, and I kinda feel that way about a lot of Opeth songs. They'll have a perfect acoustic melodic sense, but then it's ruined when the distortion is picked up. I think The Drapery Falls would be such a better song if it was purely Mikael's clean vocals.

[Luc214]

Well that's why we have Damnation.

Purely acoustic and clean vox.

[Nostalgia]

Yeah, but that album gets boring after 30,000 listens.

[Kage]

Damnation isn't purely acoustic, is it? There's plenty of electric guitars; in fact, I'd say it's mostly electric guitars. And there's quite a bit of electric synth in there. Hardly pure acoustic.

[Spoonful of Shame]

Well there is plenty of electric guitars in the solo's but that's really it.

[Shattered_Future]

Yeah, and I kinda feel that way about a lot of Opeth songs. They'll have a perfect acoustic melodic sense, but then it's ruined when the distortion is picked up. I think The Drapery Falls would be such a better song if it was purely Mikael's clean vocals.

Nah, I don't think so. It wouldn't really match up at all with the middle part of the song.

[Kage]

Well there is plenty of electric guitars in the solo's but that's really it.
Clean electric guitar does not equal an acoustic guitar.

Almost the entirety of the album is on electric guitars.

EDIT: Okay, I'm listening to it again, and it's not the entirety , but quite a lot of it.

[Nostalgia]

Nah, I don't think so. It wouldn't really match up at all with the middle part of the song.
Yeah, I can see what you mean. I just think that the begging half of the song is so amazing.

Damnation is mostly clean electric. A lot of times it's mistaken for an all acoustic album.

[Shattered_Future]

I'll agree with that. The beginning part is MUCH better than the later part, even though I love that half step harmonized riff so much. So weird, yet it's awesome.

[Spoonful of Shame]

Clean electric guitar does not equal an acoustic guitar.

Almost the entirety of the album is on electric guitars.

EDIT: Okay, I'm listening to it again, and it's not the entirety , but quite a lot of it.

True. I guess the best way to describe the album is that it is "mellow".

[Shadius]

The only thing that actually makes me bad on To Bid You Farwell is the growls. For me, the song is almost ruined then. I think the song should be purely acoustic.

Not to mention that it's also one of Opeth's best-written song.

Since when does To Bid You Farewell have growls in it?

I love the distortion part in TBYF, moreso than the Face of Melinda one.

Oh, and I think on Damnation they use a sort of clean guitar acoustic simulation type sound a fair bit. There's very few actual acoustic parts.

[Nostalgia]

Haha, I just meant when the distortion picks up.

[Luc214]

There's alot of acoustics in it.

There's also synths and some soft electric too, sorry.

But yeah it's their chill stuff.

[Det_Nosnip]

I like the latter part of the Drapery Falls, but then...I'm a TRUE Opeth fan. ;)

[JamJar]

I like the latter part of the Drapery Falls, but then...I'm a TRUE Opeth fan. ;)

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Drapery Falls is so good... all the way through.

[Nostalgia]

If For Absent Friends had vocals, that'd be up there on my favorite Opeth songs.

[Jude]

\m/>_<\m/

Drapery Falls is so good... all the way through.
Meh...the death metal part brings the rest down from the heights of awesomeness, unfortunately.

[Shadius]

Meh...the death metal part brings the rest down from the heights of awesomeness, unfortunately.

It's still a great song though. I just think it would be perfect if the death metal part was better.

[pate]

Damn. I think the dm part is the best part of the song.

[rhcp pman]

Drapery Falls is great the whole way through - but I think the DM parts are better, although the acoustic parts are nice and the clean vocals are great.

IMO one of the best parts of the Drapery Falls is the long notes that Akerfeldt plays - they come in somewhere in the intro and come back later on in the song. You might not realise the sheer awesomeness of those notes until you watch Lamentations and see Akerfeldt's theatrics while he's playing them.

[Moses]

Meh...the death metal part brings the rest down from the heights of awesomeness, unfortunately.
Wtf are you talking about? It's perfect where it is.

[Det_Nosnip]

Agreed.

[Darkness]

Meh...the death metal part brings the rest down from the heights of awesomeness, unfortunately.
I really, really like the DM part of that song. It's such a great climax. Mikaels voice is so powerfull.

[Kronos]

Bill Ward > Martin Axenrot
Tonni Iommi > Peter Lindgren
Geezer Butler > Martin Mendez
Ozzy> Mikael Akerfeldt


Sabbath>Opeth

I dont mean to bash them but sabbath is just better


^^
points and laughs


sorry if I'm a bit late in noticing that truly lame statement, but I've just got back from holiday

[Neoteric]

^^
points and laughs


sorry if I'm a bit late in noticing that truly lame statement, but I've just got back from holiday
Haha, Ozzy better than Mikeal? Suure :p

[Kronos]

And the other statements are just as hilarious.

[Atica]

Yeh man what are you talking about? Mikael is much much better than Ozzy. Mikael's voice is so great and the changes he makes are amazing, I mean when singing like in Damnation and then screaming.

I saw one DVD last week, and it's awesome, don't remember its name but the first part consisted of all the Damnation album and then like 6 more songs from the other albums. It was amazing :thumb:

[Kronos]

That'd be Lamentations - I don't know of any other Opeth DVDs; and I have looked at ebay to see if they'd got any -erm- "unofficial" ones - no luck

[Atica]

Yeh, that name sounds in my head.

[Kronos]

Lamentations is unbelievably good - it's my fave live DVD (even better than Live Aus Berlin and that's a tough act to follow IMO). Martin Lopez makes his really tough drum parts look totally effortless..

[Atica]

Yeh Martin is a great drummer, and plays in such a calm way that what he plays seems to be easy, when it is very hard. And Deliverance.. wow amazing!!!
I laugh when heard Closure the first time because the rythm is like the genre that I must hate: regaeton.

[Kronos]

What's regaeton?


I like Closure - it's fun to play

[Atica]

It's a type of music that comes from I think that the Caribean, but it sucks. Its rythm is like the drums at min. 3:40, and the lyrics are with nosense at all just saying rhymes and mostly talk about girls like hookers, it is in spanish. The point is that it sucks.

[Kronos]

Sounds truly grim - I reckon I'd hate regaeton too (if I ever heard any)

[Atica]

lol almost every one that listens metal hates it. Hey what instrument do you play?

[Kronos]

I started with bass, then 6 string, now I fumble about on the drums - dreaming of being Martin Lopez....


/sighs

[Atica]

Cool, I play guitar, and know some drums but I suck at it.

[Kronos]

I find drumming is more "me" than guitar - I was always goofing up on key changes and such, and my soloing ability was completely non-existant.

Drums only have the key of "thud"

which I like

[Shadows]

Getting back on the topic of Opeth...

[Spoonful of Shame]

I am really interested in how the drumming will sound on their next album. Like Axe is known for his blast beats and stuff so I wonder if more of that will finds its way onto the new album.

[Kronos]

I hope not - the rather jazz/latin influences in ML's drumming helped to make Opeth's unique sound. I don't think loads of common-or-garden blast beat drumming would be a step in the right direction at all

[Spoonful of Shame]

That's the thing though. As far as I know, Axe is noy heavly influenced with jazz or latin music. Therefore I would conclude it just won;t be there anymore.

Btw, I just watched the Grand Conjuration again and I noticed that Gene Hogan from Strapping Young Lad is on the drums in that video. I heard they made the video on tour so I guess it was at a time when Lopez was ill.

[Darkness]

Why would Mikael want him to repeat what Lopez did though? The latin/jazz thing is over now, and it's up to Axe to find something new to do. That's the way I see it, anyway.

[Atica]

I only hope that the new drums sound as good as how Lopez did, no matter if it is a new sound.

[Kronos]

If "new" is blast beats and constant manic double pedalling on everything then I'm predicting that we'll all look back on the the Lopez years with a wistful sigh....

[the2stranger]

I hope Axe will be able to bring the Lopez songs alive the way Lopez himself did.
Subtle and with feeling.
I agree it's up to Axe to find a new style, but I doubt he will top Lopez.
Lopez just had a very good style, although that is just my opinion.

[Shadows]

I don't think blast beats would kill the band at all. They've never done them before so you don't know how they'd turn out.

[Darkness]

I don't think blast beats would kill the band at all. They've never done them before so you don't know how they'd turn out.
Exactly. I can only see Axe stepping up the metal sections where Lopez didn't. It's the softer parts we should all be wondering about.

[the2stranger]

Blasbeats would kill the emotion and atmosphere in Opeth, of course Mikeal is still main song writer and won't allow Axe to 'ruin' the sound with blastbeats everywhere unless Mikeal wants it.

[Kronos]

Opeth are a blend of heavy and light with a lot of subtlety - I hope that's not lost in the future, 'tis all.

And I think we can imagine how blast beats everywhere will turn out - like blast beats I reckon

[Atica]

I agree with you, Lopez style is amazing, and it would be very hard for Axe to create something better, but who knows... maybe he will give us all a surprise.

[Darkness]

I can see emotions such as anger/sadness be stepped up with some kind of blast beat. In a song like Wreath.

[Spoonful of Shame]

Well look how Lopez started out. He came from Amon Amarth which didn't have any soft moments or anything. Maybe we will be surprised at what Axe can do with regards to the mellow sections.

[Kronos]

Anyway, I'm off to see them in November - so I'll see what the drumming's like then.

He must be pretty good as Opeth have used him for like 5 tours

[the2stranger]

I can see emotions such as anger/sadness be stepped up with some kind of blast beat. In a song like Wreath.
True, bit it's not just blasbeats everywhere.
Agression makes that the contrast btetween certain emotion is shown better.
But if there's only heavy stuff, there is no comparison.
And of course, all things should find their balance in the song.
The heavy and the soft parts.

[Darkness]

Well ofcourse there should be balance. If there's any sense left in Mikaels head (as we saw a lack of with GR... :p ) he won't allow blast beats all the time. Only on the most agressive parts, I imagine.

[Atica]

Yeh they will balance all the sounds, as they have been doing it all this years, and create the feelings they made the people feel when listening to their songs.

[the2stranger]

Well ofcourse there should be balance. If there's any sense left in Mikaels head (as we saw a lack of with GR... :p ) he won't allow blast beats all the time. Only on the most agressive parts, I imagine.
GR was pretty bad indeed. :(
I still have good hope for them though.

[Shadows]

Ghost Reveries was hardly a bad album. :mad:

[the2stranger]

Ghost Reveries was hardly a bad album. :mad:
:mad:

Well, It didn't stand up to any other of their releases and trust me, I'm a big fan :(:(

[Kreator2112]

I'm so tired of talking about Opeth. They're a great band, they have good albums.


Enough said.

[Shadows]

I'm a big fan of them too, and GR is near the top of my favorite Opeth albums list.

[Spoonful of Shame]

I actually thought Ghost Reveries was a solid release. Not their best but it has many good songs. In my opinion, Ghost of perdition and Reverie/Harlequin forest are some of their best songs they have ever done. The baying of the hounds, Beneath the mire and are solid songs, especially once they get going. The grand conjuration just blew me away when I saw them live.

[Darkness]

I'm so tired of talking about Opeth. They're a great band, they have good albums.


Enough said.
... It's the Opeth thread man?


And GR did NOT stand up to the other albums... there was nothing there to keep me interested. It's like the quality of all the poorer songs from their other cds put onto an album.

[Kronos]

Agreed in the main - but Harlequin Forest would be a good track on any Opeth album IMO

[Shattered_Future]

GR wasn't that bad...granted, it's a far cry from some of their work, but it's decent.

[Kronos]

Opeth do set very high standards and the fans have huge expectations from them every time an album comes out - it's gotta be tough for them as anything short of unbelievably good will get panned

[Shattered_Future]

That's very true. Plus, after 7 albums, you'd think they'll run out of ideas sooner or later...

[Jude]

Ghost Reveries may have been kind of disappointing, but Ghost of Perdition > most Opeth songs through their whole career.

[Spoonful of Shame]

I personally think it is one if not the best song they have ever made.

[Det_Nosnip]

Why would Mikael want him to repeat what Lopez did though? The latin/jazz thing is over now, and it's up to Axe to find something new to do. That's the way I see it, anyway.

It fit so well with Mikael's jazz influenced guitarplaying, though. :(

[Det_Nosnip]

I'm so tired of talking about Opeth. They're a great band, they have good albums.


Enough said.

Here's a bright idea for you: don't post in the Opeth thread.

[pate]

...idiot Kreator.

Apparently the people that got to talk to Axe after shows on the last tour said he didn't really know anything. They asked him about his cymbals, and just basic questions, "how are you?" He just kind of mumbled and said very little, but in a way that demonstrated that he at least understands English. It's like Mike's brainwashing him by making him learn all the songs in a hurry. :lol:

My buddy and I were talking about his frequent blasterbation. My friend acted out a scenario in which Mike was trying to show Axe a beat he had in his head:

(as Mike): Axe, play the snare
(as Axe): : put-chi put-chi put-chi :
(as Mike): No, the snare.
(as Axe): *Looks around* : put-chi put-chi put-chi :

:lol:

[Flynn]

Agreed in the main - but Harlequin Forest would be a good track on any Opeth album IMO


Indeed. I like that song a lot.

[i am the robots]

Agreed in the main - but Harlequin Forest would be a good track on any Opeth album IMO
I agree, it sucks that GR is so boring.

[Anglachel]

Ghost Reveries was actually the first Opeth album I ever heard

/is probably contradicting something else he posted in these forums

GR was good enough to get me hooked on Opeth, but it doesnt compare to their other albums

[Kage]

/is probably contradicting something else he posted in these forums

:lol:

[Det_Nosnip]

I still like the album.

[Carrionshine]

Me digs it.

[Super Wotan]

GR was pretty bad indeed. :(
I still have good hope for them though.
^Sums up my thoughts here

[Stoo]

I havn't posted on Mx in ages coz I Coulnd't get on the site. :(

So to give this post a point... My Arms, You're Hearse is now my joint second favourite album with Morningrise. Blackwater Park being one.,

:smoke:

[Crysiss]

yay list time.

1.MAYH
2. Orchid
3. Damnation
4. Still Life.
:)

[BurningSky]

Here we go again...

1. Still Life
2. Damnation
3. Blackwater Park
4. My Arms, Your Hearse
5. Deliverance
6. Ghost Reveries
7. Orchid
8. Morningrise

[Txus]

This is like the 10000304030304320 times this has been done.

1. Morningrise
2. My Arms, Your Hearse
3. Blackwater Park
4. Damnation
5. Orchid
6. Deliverance
7. Still Life
8. Ghost Reveries

This list changes so much each week.....

[Jude]

This is like the 10000304030304320 times this has been done.


Yup. I think everyone's list changes every time.

Lemme see

Still Life
Morningrise = Blackwater Park
Deliverance = Damnation
Ghost Reveries
MAYH
Orchid

[i am the robots]

My Arms, Your Hearse
Blackwater Park (bonus version mind you)
Damnation
Still Life
Orchid
Morningrise
Deliverance
Ghost Reveries

[Shadows]

1. Orchid
2. Ghost Reveries
3. Damnation
4. Morningrise
5. Blackwater Park
6. My Arms, Your Hearse
7. Deliverance
8. Still Life

[beastman168]

Still Life
Delieverance
Blackwater Park
Damnation

[TojesDolan]

Oh, current top three...

Morningrise
Still Life
My arms, your hearse

[Tyr]

1. Still Life
2. Blackwater Park
3. My Arms, Yours Hearse
4. Damnation
5. Deliverance
6. Ghost Reveries
7. Morningrise
8. Orchid

[Stoo]

to save time we should just put the songs in order of favourite as our usertitles :smoke:

[TojesDolan]

Oh no.

Baalberith Irae is never going away. :angry:

[Darkness]

Still Life/BWP/My Arms, Your Hearse/Morningrise/Orchid/Deliverance
Damnation
GR

[Deth]

I get to see Opeth again in October thanks to Gigantour :).

[Atica]

1.My Arms, Your Hearse
2. Morningrise
3. Blackwater Park
4. Damnation
5. Deliverance
6. Orchid
7. Still Life

I wish I could someday see Opeth live.

[pate]

1. BWP
2. SL
3. MAYH
4. Damnation
5. Deliverence
6. MR
7. GR
8. Orchid

They're all awesome though.

[Luc214]

1. Ghost Reveries
2. Blackwater Park
3. My Arms, Your Hearse
4. Damnation

Sadly those are all I have. :(

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Ah,list time.

Top 5 Opeth songs (not in order):

White Cluster
The Lepper Affinity
Beneath The Mire
Closure
Deliverance


Will surely change within a week.Except for The Lepper Affinity and White Cluster.

[JamJar]

Lists eh?

Albums

Still Life
Blackwater Park
My Arms Your Hearse
Damnation
Ghost Reveries
Deliverence
Morningrise
Orchid

Songs(In no order)
The Moor
Bleak
When
To Bid You Farewell
Demon Of The Fall

[Tyr]

Top 5 songs would probably be:
Serenity Painted Death
Face of Melinda
Bleak
Closure
Wreath

[Txus]

Hmm, that's tough.

My top 5 songs at this moment would go something like this:

To Bid You Farewell
Master's Apprentices
April Ethereal
Godhead's Lament
The Funeral Portrait