Opeth

[Kage]

What really brought them down was the lack of any attempts at songwriting. They basically strung a bunch of riffs together and called it a ten minute song. Of course there's also the fact that the riffs on Orchid are kind of contrived for the most part and that the acoustic riffs on it are downright weak. Morningrise remedied those but still suffered from lack of songwriting.
I agree with this completely.

[Shadows]

Pfffft, you're all fools. Flynn knows what I'm talking about. :mad:

[Crysiss]

^^^ Me too. I've tried to point this out to others, but I suck at explaining things.

Theres not much flow to those songs, But overall, I still like it.

EDIT: Too slow at posting tonight lol.

[eug009]

Sooo, Opeth are also on G2 sounds good if they come back to Aus cause I missed them the first time round :mad:

[Scoot]

Nice, Opeth live kicks!

[Carrionshine]

I couldn't disagree more.

I agree with you.

[TojesDolan]

i agree; it sort of added to the spooky, angry atmosphere


though it would be interesting to hear the albums in the new opeth sound....and if you dont like it the old versions are still there
Live versions of them would work as well, I believe.

I mean, played recently.

[Jude]

^^^ Me too. I've tried to point this out to others, but I suck at explaining things.

Theres not much flow to those songs, But overall, I still like it.

EDIT: Too slow at posting tonight lol.
Yeah but while Orchid and MR have a bunch of awesome parts strung together in a slipshod fashion, the later Opeth albums have a bunch of awesome parts which meld together and flow perfectly into each other, and conventions of songwriting are actually present.

[TojesDolan]

Yes, indeed.

Black Rose Immortal is the best example of this rather lacking connections between itsy bitsy parts. It's like a 20-minute mesh of riffs without a lacking, let's call it train of thought, which rarely happens in the newer albums.

But time, you know. Learning and that stuff.

[Super Wotan]

i agree; it sort of added to the spooky, angry atmosphere


Exactly. It's like black metal. Would I listen to it all if it wasn't for the "bad" and fuzzy sounding production? No. There would be no point at all. This is my exact views about those Opeth albums.

[i am the robots]

I'm for Orchid and Morningrise being remixed/remastered by Steven Wilson (because he is the God of Production) but not re-done or whatever...there's no reason to change the albums from how they were. I think a good remastering job could make the guitars less painful to listen to, but the guitar and vocal tones were a crucial part of those two albums. No need to get rid of those.

What really brought them down was the lack of any attempts at songwriting. They basically strung a bunch of riffs together and called it a ten minute song. Of course there's also the fact that the riffs on Orchid are kind of contrived for the most part and that the acoustic riffs on it are downright weak. Morningrise remedied those but still suffered from lack of songwriting.

False.

It all flows far too well to just be, 'a bunch of riffs strung together,'

Yes, it's completely unstructured, but the songwriting is quite evident in the flow.

[Shadows]

Yes, indeed.

Black Rose Immortal is the best example of this rather lacking connections between itsy bitsy parts. It's like a 20-minute mesh of riffs without a lacking, let's call it train of thought, which rarely happens in the newer albums.

But time, you know. Learning and that stuff.
Black Rose Immortal doesn't really have much train of thoguht, but to me, the entire Orchid album flows beautifully, as do the other Morningrise songs.

[Moses]

Exactly. It's like black metal. Would I listen to it all if it wasn't for the "bad" and fuzzy sounding production? No. There would be no point at all. This is my exact views about those Opeth albums.
Don't you like the themes in black metal or somthing? Like 80% amirite?

I think Orchid and Morningrise shouldn't be remastered but I do agree with the idea that the songwriting was very amateur.

[i am the robots]

I think Orchid and Morningrise could use some remastering... maybe fix the bass, make it sound less triggered on Anders' part, and turning down Johan, he's a bit overpowering at times.

[Moses]

It could be remastered but I don't think it would be any better that way. The production is what gives those albums their character opposed to the others.

[Super Wotan]

Don't you like the themes in black metal or somthing? Like 80% amirite?

I think Orchid and Morningrise shouldn't be remastered but I do agree with the idea that the songwriting was very amateur.
Yes. Those themes wouldn't be brought to life if it wasn't for that overall feel/sound.

[Shadows]

Opeth isn't black metal.

[Super Wotan]

Kind of obvious :p

[Trivium616]

I don't know if it's been posted already because I don't feel like reading through 10 pages, but Opeth was annoucned for this year's Gigantour :)

[Super Wotan]

:-0

Yessssssssssss

[Whale and Wasp]

um...theres a gigantour in 2006?

[Super Wotan]

Yes

[Shadius]

False.

It all flows far too well to just be, 'a bunch of riffs strung together,'

Yes, it's completely unstructured, but the songwriting is quite evident in the flow.

I don't know. He got riffs he'd made up and strung the ones together that sounded good next to each other. ie: The ones that are in the same or similar keys, or ones that made for interesting changes. So yes, they do "flow" without sounding stupid.

But that dosn't take away from the fact that the riffs mostly sit next to each other. There isn't a lot to draw me back to the 'songs' other than a riff or two that I like, and that shouldn't really be how songs are for me. I sort of see it more as pieces of music than songs though, in that style. Opeth became a genius band on MAYH and beyond, they only mostly hinted potential genius in Orchid and Morningrise.

Can't any of you O/MR lovers actually see how on their work after their two albums they actually link riffs together with passages and intermediate riffs and such? Actually progressing into good songwriting, rather than just sitting riffs next to each other?

Anyway, if you enjoy that, you do, but personally I find it boring to sit through the entirity of Orchid or Morningrise, even though parts of those albums have me in awe.

[Alex]

I don't know if it's been posted already because I don't feel like reading through 10 pages, but Opeth was annoucned for this year's Gigantour :)
HOLY ****, IM GOING

[Shadows]

I don't know. He got riffs he'd made up and strung the ones together that sounded good next to each other. ie: The ones that are in the same or similar keys, or ones that made for interesting changes. So yes, they do "flow" without sounding stupid.

But that dosn't take away from the fact that the riffs mostly sit next to each other. There isn't a lot to draw me back to the 'songs' other than a riff or two that I like, and that shouldn't really be how songs are for me. I sort of see it more as pieces of music than songs though, in that style. Opeth became a genius band on MAYH and beyond, they only mostly hinted potential genius in Orchid and Morningrise.

Can't any of you O/MR lovers actually see how on their work after their two albums they actually link riffs together with passages and intermediate riffs and such? Actually progressing into good songwriting, rather than just sitting riffs next to each other?

Anyway, if you enjoy that, you do, but personally I find it boring to sit through the entirity of Orchid or Morningrise, even though parts of those albums have me in awe.
I can see how albums past Morningrise seem more coherently writtem, but I don't agree at all that their first two albums sound like randomly written riffs pieced together. The songs all flow for me. Not only that, but they shift throughout. Whereas the newer stuff keeps a constant sound throughout the songs, Orchid and Morningrise shifted through different styles and trains of thought in a single song. It's very hard to explain, but I wholeheartedly disagree with your views.

[Shadius]

I can see how albums past Morningrise seem more coherently writtem, but I don't agree at all that their first two albums sound like randomly written riffs pieced together. The songs all flow for me. Not only that, but they shift throughout. Whereas the newer stuff keeps a constant sound throughout the songs, Orchid and Morningrise shifted through different styles and trains of thought in a single song. It's very hard to explain, but I wholeheartedly disagree with your views.

You say the songs "shift through different styles" I say the songs have different ideas and styles simply placed next to each other.

Potaytoes potahtoes, right?

I stand by the first two albums not being as overall captivating for me as their later work though.

It's funny that we disagree on this and yet both rate GR highly as an Opeth album though. I suppose thats Opeth for you.

[Det_Nosnip]

I don't know if it's been posted already because I don't feel like reading through 10 pages, but Opeth was annoucned for this year's Gigantour :)

Now THAT is a tour they should be on...none of this lame *** Sounds of the Underground crap. I wonder if Nevermore is going to be on it this year as well...

[Shadows]

You say the songs "shift through different styles" I say the songs have different ideas and styles simply placed next to each other.

Potaytoes potahtoes, right?

I stand by the first two albums not being as overall captivating for me as their later work though.

It's funny that we disagree on this and yet both rate GR highly as an Opeth album though. I suppose thats Opeth for you.
I guess so. :p

I think we're the only people around here who don't rate GR as one of their worst. That's one thing I like about Opeth; everyone can have completely different ideas about the band but still agree they're amazing.

We need a new title for this thread!

[pate]

Now THAT is a tour they should be on...none of this lame *** Sounds of the Underground crap. I wonder if Nevermore is going to be on it this year as well...

No, NM isn't. It's

Megadeth
Lamb of God
Opeth
Arch Enemy
Overkill
Into Eternity
The SmashUp
Sanctity

[Daven]

I would go only for Opeth and Into Eternity.

[Shadows]

No, NM isn't. It's

Megadeth
Lamb of God
Opeth
Arch Enemy
Overkill
Into Eternity
The SmashUp
Sanctity
Sounds like an adequate set.

Who the hell is The Smashup?

[Darkness]

Why did the thread titles change...

[Stormrider]

Hackings. Read the report problems thread and you'll see.

[RosettaStoned]

I prefer their slow experimental songs as apposed to their screamy side. :)

[Shadius]

I prefer their slow experimental songs as apposed to their screamy side. :)

He dosn't scream, he growls. :p

And argueably their usual mix of metal and soft aspects is more experimental than Damnation. :p

[Spoonful of Shame]

He dosn't scream, he growls. :p

And argueably their usual mix of metal and soft aspects is more experimental than Damnation. :p

In the Lamentations dvd Michael describes the vocal styles as screams. Technically they are growls though.

[Flynn]

I would go only for Opeth and Into Eternity.



Same. Into Eternity rule, I've had Buried In Oblivion since it came out.

[ok lateralus]

My Arms Your Hearse = teh ****

[Moses]

I think I like GR better than Damnation.

[Super Wotan]

I honestly don't like GR much anymore, meh.

[ok lateralus]

Me too, actually I'm not that into any post-SL opeth recently. Still like it, but I looove the old stuff.

[Shattered_Future]

Same. Into Eternity rule, I've had Buried In Oblivion since it came out.

BIO is one of the best cds I have. It's original, well written, and kickass.

I haven't listened to much Opeth recently...some of BWP a few days ago, but that was it.

[Mr. Ron]

I think I like GR better than Damnation.
Huh?

[SmashingPumpkin]

My Arms Your Hearse = teh ****
Agreed. I just bought it two days ago. Can't get enough.

[RosettaStoned]

He dosn't scream, he growls. :p

And argueably their usual mix of metal and soft aspects is more experimental than Damnation. :p

Good point innit. :p

[Interviewer/surveyer]

I don't like Opeth very much. Bland.

[Moses]

I don't like Opeth very much. Bland.
Bland? I've heard Opeth called many things but never bland.
Huh?
I don't know, I just don't get anything from Damnation anymore and it's not like I over-played it either.

[Interviewer/surveyer]

Bland? I've heard Opeth called many things but never bland.
I dont' know, they just never really appealed to me very much. Not my thing.

edit: well, i won't go that far, if im in the mood, i may listen to them once in a while.

[Moses]

I dont' know, they just never really appealed to me very much. Not my thing.

edit: well, i won't go that far, if im in the mood, i may listen to them once in a while.
That's different, bland means that it lacks character. Opeth has more character than any every metal band period.

Anyway, my solo project is learning Ghost of Perdition for a live cover. How awesome is that? Mike's solos on sax are going to sound amazing.

[pate]

Haha. Badass.

[i am the robots]

Anyway, my solo project is learning Ghost of Perdition for a live cover. How awesome is that? Mike's solos on sax are going to sound amazing.

I find that Opeth is one of those bands that shouldn't be covered... my band can play Demon of the Fall and Deliverence, but we don't because we're not Opeth... I can growl in the same range and sing in the same range as Mike, but my voice doesn't fit... the same goes for playing the songs... it's just something special about them, that someone playing it just doesn't sound right.

[Crysiss]

Bland? I've heard Opeth called many things but never bland.


He does not know the meaning of bland. At first listen, Opeth were too folk sounding to me. Although at the time, I hadnt heard bands like Equillibrium or Finntroll. haha.

I think the first song I head was Harvest.

[Captain Quentin]

what does everyone think of Ghost Reveries? what are your favourite songs of it?

[Crysiss]

Its a good album, not my favorite. I like the atmosphere. of the album but I think that its lacking a feel from previous albums.

Fav song is probably Baying Of The Hounds:)

[JamJar]

It's a good album but unlike the previous albums, the songs really are hindered by their length. It's the only album since their first two (which I don't really like) where I feel that way about the songs.

[Carrionshine]

what does everyone think of Ghost Reveries? what are your favourite songs of it?

I absolutely love it. It's by far has the most focused(Uh, I guess you could say stripped down) songs out of all their heavy albums. All of Mikael's vocals are in perfect harmony with the music and vice versa. I also like how riffs on the songs sound alike. For instance, on GoP the opening riff sounds just like the acoustic riff which follows later on at like 2:50. That "Ghost of, Mother!!" vocal melody would fit perfectly with that acoustic riff if only it werent growled.:lol:

I also like how subtle some of the transitions from heavy to soft are. They just sound so natural on this album. Take that transition at about 7 mins of GoP. I didnt even know it hit me until it was a few seconds in the first time I heard it.

The solos rule.Nuff said.

Mikael's vocals sound stunning. That "No longer struggling to declare your stand.." part on TBotH is hypnotic. Isolation Years quite being his best clean vocal performance to date. And the growls.....well they are ****in evil.

I just think it's very overlooked and underappretiated. Everyone gushes about all the other albums and fails to point out that this album is filled with countless special moments that measure up to all their previous material. But whatever. To each his own.

[DaveTheAmazing]

I own Morningrise and I like Advent. What are you think of it?

[Crysiss]

Welcome to the forums. I can tell english is not your 1st language and upon reading your avatar, I have more verification.

Advent is a great track, But my favorite is Nectar.

[Jude]

Advent is awesome but Black Rose Immortal owns that album.

[Super Wotan]

Advent + The Night and the Silent Water = Some of the best riffing ever.

[i am the robots]

Advent is probably my favorite on Morningrise.

[Leper Affinity]

I'd say Black Rose Immortal is the weakest Morningrise song.

[i am the robots]

BRI is damn good, I think The Night and the Silent Water is the weakest.

To Bid You Farewell is probably one of their best soft songs, aside from Benighted, Credence, To Rid The Disease, and A Fair Judgement.

[Jude]

I'd say Black Rose Immortal is the weakest Morningrise song.
I'd say urrong.

It's just as sloppily put together as every song on there (except TBYF) but its riffs are the best. Especially the one from 1:10 to 3:10. And the acoustic parts and vocal melodies own very hard.

[Leper Affinity]

I don't think Advent, Nectar, or NATSW are sloppily written at all. BRI is the only one that strikes me as 20 minutes of randomly strung together riffs.

[pate]

I'd say Black Rose Immortal is the weakest Morningrise song.

I agree. People only go ga-ga over it because of its length.

[Jude]

I agree. People only go ga-ga over it because of its length.
No....because the riffs it's slung together from are so awesome.

[pate]

Pfft. ;)

[Stormrider]

Talking about Morningrise, I havn't listened tot hat album in a while...

/thinks he will put it on later.

I'm really not sure which my favorite song on the album is...

[Shadows]

Advent and To Bid You Farewell are mine.

[Stormrider]

Is your user title Black Serpent Syndicate in another language ?

[Shadows]

Yep, it's Black Serpant Syndicate in Suomi.

[Stormrider]

Oh okay.

NP Augury - Alien Shores

[JamJar]

TBYF is the best Opeth song from their first two albums. I love it to pieces. It's so fun to play on bass and on guitar.

[Daven]

To Bid Your Farewell owns any other song off Morningrise.

[Shadows]

I hope this makes me feel better. I just ordered my first Opeth shirts.

http://www.fearshop.com/view-product.asp?productID=2010
http://www.fearshop.com/view-product.asp?productID=334

[i am the robots]

Nice haul.

I have an Opeth shirt that's their logo on the front in grey, then on the back it's the pictures of them from the Deliverence booklet.

I just ordered my first Through The Eyes Of The Dead Shirt:
http://www.hottopic.com/store/product.asp?LS=0&ITEM=135773

I know, Hot Topic oh noes!

[Shadows]

Nothing wrong with that, Through the Eyes of the Dead is pretty damn good. I bought Bloodlust on a whim and haven't looked back.

[i am the robots]

I told you so :D.

However, The Annhilation Of Expectation > Scars Of Ages > Bloodlust imo.

Anyway, on the topic of Opeth, When is an amazing song.

[pate]

Indeed it is. ****ing classic solo.

[RustedPieces]

I got scared the first time I listened to it.

[Mr. Squiggles]

Indeed it is. ****ing classic solo.

It truly is, it is one of my definatly one of my favorite solos.



Edit: Hey Ben :wave:

[i am the robots]

Freaking classic band.

[Shadows]

It truly is, it is one of my definatly one of my favorite solos.



Edit: Hey Ben :wave:
John! Where have you been? :wave:

[Mr. Squiggles]

I was abducted by aliens a few weeks ago.

And I have been busy as hell, and I kinda got in a little trouble after the BAM thing.

[Shadows]

I'm sorry to hear that. :( I'm sure you've heard that I'm in a little trouble over it myself. What happened to you?

Josh also has a new one up if you're interested in joining.

[Mr. Squiggles]

I'm sorry to hear that. :( I'm sure you've heard that I'm in a little trouble over it myself. What happened to you?

Josh also has a new one up if you're interested in joining.

Yeah, I heard you got in some trouble. I didn't really get anything all that bad. Just very limited computer time for a few weeks.

But yeah, I'll join the new one.

[Shadows]

Yeah, I heard you got in some trouble. I didn't really get anything all that bad. Just very limited computer time for a few weeks.

But yeah, I'll join the new one.
This whole thing is ridiculous if you ask me. What exactly did you get in trouble for? You never even said anything questionable. Now I'm cut off from Leah because of one single stupid joke I made. I really think this is nothing being blown way out of proportion.

Here's the new one: http://www.creatopia.net/bodomaftermidnight/index.php

Don't worry, it's cleaner. :p

[Mr. Squiggles]

I agree, it is completely stupid. But I'm sorry about you and Leah, that has to really suck.

I don't really know why I got in trouble. Just for being a part of it I guess. But whatever.

Anyway, Thanks for the link.

[Shadows]

No problem. We can take our complaints of the situation over there. :p

[Jude]

TBYF is ...so fun to play on bass.

\m/ \m/ Yup.

[VomitStainedCretin]

When is an amazing song.

I think April Ethereal is possibly the best song off MAYH. Anyone else a big fan of it?

[Anglachel]

I think April Ethereal is possibly the best song off MAYH. Anyone else a big fan of it?
Personally,

Demon of the Fall ftw.

[VomitStainedCretin]

Yeah, Demon of the Fall is awesome, particularly the way it changes from the massively evil/aggressive beginning into a seriously emotional mournful ending. However, I feel April Ethereal is a tad more epic feeling and Demon of the Fall is a touch overated. To be honest, theyre probably equally good.

[Txus]

I think April Ethereal is possibly the best song off MAYH. Anyone else a big fan of it?
When is the best song in there!

[Shadows]

When is the best song in there!
Quoted for truth.

[JamJar]

When > Demon Of The Fall > April Ethereal.

I love MAYH.

[Txus]

^^ I concur. \m/

[Shadius]

When > Demon Of The Fall > April Ethereal.

I love MAYH.

They're all equally good to me, and fantastic songs they are. Three best on MAYH. Followed by Credence, then Karma, then the Amen Corner.

[Flynn]

.

I love MAYH.



Me too. I love the entire album.

[Shadows]

Orchid > your souls :mad:

[ok lateralus]

MAYH is my second favorite Opeth album. The mood and feelings it captures are unlike anything they ever did before or since.

[Shattered_Future]

Orchid > your souls :mad:

Nah, BWP completely blows Orchid out of the water.

[ok lateralus]

IMO BWP is their second worst album. Like Ghost Reveries, it starts out very strongly, then gets boring on tracks 5-7, then finishes with a great song.

[pate]

Wow. For me BWP is really strong all the way through.

[heavy metal kid]

IMO BWP is their second worst album. Like Ghost Reveries, it starts out very strongly, then gets boring on tracks 5-7, then finishes with a great song.

Maybe the structure of BWP sucks, but the good tracks blow anything from past albums. Well, maybe MAYH is better.

[bluewizard]

IMO BWP is their second worst album. Like Ghost Reveries, it starts out very strongly, then gets boring on tracks 5-7, then finishes with a great song.
You don't like The Grand Conjuration? That's probably my favorite song on GR.

[TMA]

When > Demon Of The Fall > April Ethereal.

I love MAYH.
You sir, know what you are talking about.
I was so surprised when they played When back in October in Oregon. That show kicked so much ***.

[Moses]

You don't like The Grand Conjuration? That's probably my favorite song on GR.
I wish that song was done better. Some parts are gay and some are just godly.

I got bored with BWP even though I think it's one of their best records still. Maybe because it ripped at a low quality.

BWP > Orchid

The Steven Wilson factor to BWP is really apparent and I think that's why it really sticks out.

Right now my favorite is Deliverance. Everything is so killer on that album. I could just eat it up.

[Kreator2112]

Orchid slays BWP.

The Twilight is My Robe.

[Moses]

I like Under the Weeping Moon better.

[Kreator2112]

I love all of Orchid. I can listen to that for days.

[pate]

I like Under the Weeping Moon better.

I really hate the long, boring interlude. If that part was removed, I would love the song.

The interlude ruined UTWM live for me because it was so boring.

[Kreator2112]

Did you go to that special Opeth show? You bastard?

[pate]

Yeah. It was pretty awesome, except for the seating in the pit area. The area where normally most of the people in attendence stood was taken up by a mere 100 chairs, so the other 900 people were crammed together along the outside. I was smashed by one of my friends, up against another of my friends, up against the back rail right in the middle of my back.

But it was an awesome show.

[Moses]

I really hate the long, boring interlude. If that part was removed, I would love the song.

The interlude ruined UTWM live for me because it was so boring.
I love that interlude. It's entrancing.

Just sit back and close your eyes after coming back from work and listen to the interlude. It's sooo good. I think they do it live pretty well also.

[Kreator2112]

How much did you pay for tickets? 100 dollars? I went to the show in October with Nevermore and that was pretty amazing.

[Darkness]

100 Dollars for an Opeth ticket? Are you kidding man?

I paid 40 Canadain.

[Stormrider]

100 $ :-/

Woah..My brother went to the Opeth/Nevermore show and he payed like somewhere around 40 I think...

[Darkness]

Why didn't you go? Two of the best bands ever...

[Stormrider]

I don't know why :(

my brother was going with some friends...meh, don't know, I didn't even ask. It would have been awsome..

[pate]

How much did you pay for tickets? 100 dollars? I went to the show in October with Nevermore and that was pretty amazing.

It was the same price as the regular shows...like the one with Nevermore and Fireball Ministry.

[Shattered_Future]

100 bucks? Damn...I went for about 25. Opeth, Dark Tranquillity, and Townsend.

[Kreator2112]

Did you go to that one at the HOB? I was there. I paid like 24? or 16?

[Spoonful of Shame]

I went to the Opeth/Nevermore show. Great time.

[pate]

Did you go to that one at the HOB? I was there. I paid like 24? or 16?

Yeah, it was like 24, just like the Chronology.

[Kreator2112]

A friend said they were 100 bucks on ebay. I guess I didn't order tickets soon enough.



GIGANTOUR 2006

[pate]

Rumour has it that Megadeth will get like 90 minutes, and the other three main stage bands will get like 55. Meaning almost an hour of Opeth, if true.

[Darkness]

Wow thats like... 4 songs! :lol:

[Stormrider]

Hahahaha :p

[Kreator2112]

I just noticed Opeth and IE have the same like 4 guys posting.

At Opeth in October it was like 2 hours of Opeth. I creamed my pants every 3 minutes.

[Stormrider]

On this page. But Usually Opeth and IE threads have very different posters in it.

[pate]

Haha yeah. They are so awesome live. They have the greatest live sound I've heard.

But it baffled me, Nevermore had the worst sound I've ever heard, and then Opeth came on and was perfect. So I could then blame the NM camp instead of the venue.

[Kreator2112]

Yea Jeff was right on with everything but the vocals sucked hard. He came out thinking he was cool in the south side jersey.

[Kreator2112]

I remember wearing my blue cubs shirt just to piss people off. That was about the time the Sox were/won the World Series.

[pate]

It was the night they finished us off :(

[Kreator2112]

That's right, I remember people talking about it at the show. Ghey.

[pate]

I was on the train heading back to school when the last out was made. The train went nuts. My Cardinal-fan *** could barely take it. But being in the post-orgas........I mean post-Opeth mood helped me get through it.

[Kreator2112]

I was on the car ride home..whiping cream out of my pants..with the lack of a voice from growling along with mikael..

[i am the robots]

Probably should learn to do it properly then...

[Kreator2112]

ima n00b

[pate]

Probably should learn to do it properly then...

:D Nice one.

[Moses]

I definately had the best growls out of everyone at the concert I went to as far as I could hear.

There was this one time where this one dude was like growling while Mike was talking and he asked him to do it again so he did. Then he told the crowd to growl and was like "you all sound like little girls".......... "ROOOOOAAAAA"

[i am the robots]

Dude, at Sounds of the Underground, Corpsegrinder held out the mic when CC was playing to people in the front in different sections asking people to growl, and kept going back and forth, and when he came to where me, and my buddies dan and travis were standing he kept asking us to growl again, it was epic, he after like three times of going back and forth, he's like, "This section is wherethe real metalheads are!" I felt so good.

Humerously the three of us all sing in bands :lol:.

[Darkness]

Haha yeah. They are so awesome live. They have the greatest live sound I've heard.

But it baffled me, Nevermore had the worst sound I've ever heard, and then Opeth came on and was perfect. So I could then blame the NM camp instead of the venue.
I hear Nevermore has a killer live sound, and from the footage I've seen they sound great. Maybe it was just a bad day.

[Kreator2112]

How do you growl properly?

[Darkness]

It's kind of hard to describe... isn't there a thread about it in the vocal thread?

[Kreator2112]

Yeah but I can't find it :(

[Spoonful of Shame]

I hear Nevermore has a killer live sound, and from the footage I've seen they sound great. Maybe it was just a bad day.

Yeah, when I saw Nevermore live their sound was fine. They put on a great show.

[Kreator2112]

I thought the vocals were horrible. Jeff was more than amazing. I was right under him too :)

[Shadows]

Ugh, Nevermore talk in the Opeth thread?

[Kreator2112]

Ugh, they only toured together.

[Shadows]

That's no excuse!

[Kreator2112]

People talk about similiar bands on specific band threads..it happens.

Don't get your panties in a bunch.

[Shadows]

Too late. :(

<3 Opeth

[Kreator2112]

External Hard Drive.

Downloading and listening to music at the same time.

[Det_Nosnip]

Haha yeah. They are so awesome live. They have the greatest live sound I've heard.

But it baffled me, Nevermore had the worst sound I've ever heard, and then Opeth came on and was perfect. So I could then blame the NM camp instead of the venue.
Really? Nevermore sounded great when I saw them.

[Stormrider]

Ugh, Nevermore talk in the Opeth thread?

You don't like Nevermore ?

[pate]

Really? Nevermore sounded great when I saw them.

Maybe it was just a bad day when I saw them. I was right in front of Loomis, couldn't hear him at all, couldn't hear Smyth at all, could only hear Warrel in certain spots. I couldn't even hear the drums that much. It was just a big mush.

[Stormrider]

That sucks...

[Shadows]

You don't like Nevermore ?
I certainly don't.

I do, however, love Opeth.

You can see how the two sides are clashing.

[RustedPieces]

Yeah I love Opeth, but I can't get into Nevermore. I even saw them live and it didn't do anything for me.

[Darkness]

:angry:

[Shattered_Future]

Yea, I wouldn't say that around rabid Nevermore fanboy.

So, wait...if each mainstage band gets 55 minutes...does that mean I WON'T have to sit through 90 minutes of Lamb Of God?

HUZZAH!

[Darkness]

I'm not rabid!

[sabbath1991]

opeth....no

[Darkness]

opeth....no
Leave the forums.

[victim of changes]

Please ppl like joey listens to opeth eekkk

[sabbath1991]

yea they suck

[Neoteric]

Leave the forums.
This I agree with.

yea they suckYou suck.

[Super Wotan]

Tell me why Opeth sucks, sabbath1991.

[Neoteric]

Tell me why Opeth sucks, sabbath1991.
Yeah, I'd like to hear it too.

[Jude]

yea they suck
Great, the Pit got deleted and now gimmick posters are seeping into R&M? This is a bad omen.

I heard a Nevermore song or two and didn't like it either. I know that I don't like metal in general so I didn't bother giving them that much of a chance.

[sabbath1991]

yea im not a huge opeth fan mainly because i dont like their overall sound and i got ghost reveries and i think they could loose the screaming, its not a big deal you guys are defensive

[Txus]

Try listening to Morningrise or Orchid, that may change your mind.

[sabbath1991]

ok, thanks

[Shadius]

Try listening to Morningrise or Orchid, that may change your mind.

But.. those two albums have almost all screaming on them, and he just said he thought they could lose the screaming..

If you don't like the growling, then obviously you won't enjoy every bit of Opeth. if you like clean vocals Damnation is a soft album in all clean vocals. If you do like growling, then Still Life or Blackwater Park would be a good place to start.

[Txus]

I was telling him that because I think the growls in Ghost Reveries suck (that's just me) and he may like the growlings in Morningrise or Orchid.

[sabbath1991]

yea i duno its to like diverse, i duno wat word to use but like it goes from soft melodic stuf to this intense screaming metal and i like both but i dotn think it fits in the same song like that to well

[Super Wotan]

If they lost the growls/screaming they wouldn't even be worth listening to.

[Anglachel]

yea i duno its to like diverse, i duno wat word to use but like it goes from soft melodic stuf to this intense screaming metal and i like both but i dotn think it fits in the same song like that to well
If your capable of listening to fast songs and slow songs one after another, then that post would be pretty rediculous.

But whatever rows your boat.

EDIT: What Wotan said.

[sabbath1991]

i can go from lets say johnny cash to slayer yea but if they were both in a band together they would suck

[Anglachel]

i can go from lets say johnny cash to slayer yea but if they were both in a band together they would suck
Ok, but we dont have people from completely different genres trying to play together in one song while only playing their stuff.

Imagine each of the different parts of Opeth songs as different songs if that helps.

[Spoonful of Shame]

So their an actually unique band and you say they suck? wow

Just because you don't like the growls doesn't mean the bands sucks.

[Anglachel]

So their an actually unique band and you say they suck? wow

Just because you don't like the growls doesn't mean the bands sucks.
Hes new

Awful grammar

Says Sabbath is his favourite band

And I would say hes my age (14/15, if 1991 is his birthdate as I think it is because of his username)

Can't expect much more from these people

[i am the robots]

i can go from lets say johnny cash to slayer yea but if they were both in a band together they would suck

Go listen to Black Sabbath oh master of what is good.

[Super Wotan]

What's wrong with Sabbath guys? They are excellent.

[sabbath1991]

Wow, I put Sabbath because I like them and yea im 15, also i didn't realize grammer was required. I listen to alot more then Sabbath even though they are miles ahead of opeth anyways

[Darkness]

Great, the Pit got deleted and now gimmick posters are seeping into R&M? This is a bad omen.

I heard a Nevermore song or two and didn't like it either. I know that I don't like metal in general so I didn't bother giving them that much of a chance.
Can I give you one song suggestion that may change your mind? Dreaming Neon Black

Wow, I put Sabbath because I like them and yea im 15, also i didn't realize grammer was required. I listen to alot more then Sabbath even though they are miles ahead of opeth anyways
Yeah, because the bands are very, very similar and should be compared. I said leave moron.

[Anglachel]

What's wrong with Sabbath guys? They are excellent.
They are good.

They're just usually considered some huge thing to kids like this and base whats good around them

[i am the robots]

Wow, I put Sabbath because I like them and yea im 15, also i didn't realize grammer was required. I listen to alot more then Sabbath even though they are miles ahead of opeth anyways

Akerfeldt can actually sing.

[Spoonful of Shame]

I listen to alot more then Sabbath even though they are miles ahead of opeth anyways

hahahaha

[victim of changes]

u cant compare sabbath and opeth thats like comparing jenna jameson to terry schaivo

[Super Wotan]

u cant compare sabbath and opeth thats like comparing jenna jameson to terry schaivo
Ahahahahaha. This is the best post i've seen in so long. You've earned my respect now. :lol:

[i am the robots]

Or like comparing me to hardcore Patty (local band references lolz).

[Shattered_Future]

Can I give you one song suggestion that may change your mind? Dreaming Neon Black


Yeah, because the bands are very, very similar and should be compared. I said leave moron.

Dreaming Neon Black is NOT a good introduction goddammit!

Jenna Jameson and Teri Schaivo...I got one similarity. Neither can act. :p

[Darkness]

Yeah but he has an image of just an everyday metal band, and Dreaming Neon Black is not your everyday metal song.

[sabbath1991]

They are good.

They're just usually considered some huge thing to kids like this and base whats good around them

What so your not a kid? I listen to other stuff by the way. Do you listen to anything besides metal just out of curosity because I saw you post on the floyd thread. And at least I dont have 5,000 posts on a site like this and try to degrade kids my own age when I only know their opinions on one band.
Based on pure influence alone Sabbath is better.

[victim of changes]

Ahahahahaha. This is the best post i've seen in so long. You've earned my respect now. :lol:




Alright man

[sabbath1991]

Yeah but he has an image of just an everyday metal band, and Dreaming Neon Black is not your everyday metal song.

Dreaming neon black is an amazing song.

[Shadows]

Jesus Christ, if you hate Opeth, why are you wasting everyone's time arguing here?

[i am the robots]

What so your not a kid? I listen to other stuff by the way. Do you listen to anything besides metal just out of curosity because I saw you post on the floyd thread. And at least I dont have 5,000 posts on a site like this and try to degrade kids my own age when I only know their opinions on one band.
Based on pure influence alone Sabbath is better.

Shut up already. Opeth's music is far more intelligent and technical. The lyrics are far more poetic and meaningful, and as I said before Akerfeldt can actually sing.

This thread is for Opeth discussion, not bashing.

[sabbath1991]

Jesus Christ, if you hate Opeth, why are you wasting everyone's time arguing here?


Hah, I guess you are right.

[Jude]

I listen to alot more then Sabbath even though they are miles ahead of opeth anyways
Hahahahahahahhahahaahahah

Hahahhaahhahahahahahahhah

Hahahahahahhahahahahahaha

I mean I like Sabbath and all but

Hahahahahahahahahahhahaha

Sabbathkid: Listen you may not like Opeth but 1) they rule and 2) there's no reason to go in this thread and spam it up. I figured you were a gimmick poster at first and maybe you are but if you're not either give their songs a chance or don't bother posting.

Yeah but he has an image of just an everyday metal band, and Dreaming Neon Black is not your everyday metal song.
I don't really picture them as an "everyday" metal band, it's just that I didn't really get grabbed by anything when I listened to them, and I know that I dislike most metal, so I didn't really bother listening much. I'll check the song out though.

[sabbath1991]

Hahahahahahahhahahaahahah

Hahahhaahhahahahahahahhah

Hahahahahahhahahahahahaha

I mean I like Sabbath and all but

Hahahahahahahahahahhahaha

Sabbathkid: Listen you may not like Opeth but 1) they rule and 2) there's no reason to go in this thread and spam it up. I figured you were a gimmick poster at first and maybe you are but if you're not either give their songs a chance or don't bother posting.

yea i will just stop posting here, theres no real point, you are right

[Super Wotan]

Bye.

[Jude]

yea i will just stop posting here, theres no real point, you are right
If you're trying to get into Opeth then you can post. But if you're just going to post that Black Sabbath is better than Opeth (:lol:) then yeah, don't.

[victim of changes]

like i said earlier sabbath=jenna jameson, opeth=terry schaivo thats a must in terms of sabbaths influence to everyone else, i cant really comment on opeth though due to the fact i have havnt heard much of their stuff, i remember liking some of the acoustic stuff though.

[i am the robots]

Here we go again :rolleyes:.

[Shadows]

like i said earlier sabbath=jenna jameson, opeth=terry schaivo thats a must in terms of sabbaths influence to everyone else, i cant really comment on opeth though due to the fact i have havnt heard much of their stuff, i remember liking some of the acoustic stuff though.
Influence isn't the same thing as talent or creativity at all. Just because a band is influential doesn't automatically make them good.

[Anglachel]

What so your not a kid? I listen to other stuff by the way. Do you listen to anything besides metal just out of curosity because I saw you post on the floyd thread. And at least I dont have 5,000 posts on a site like this and try to degrade kids my own age when I only know their opinions on one band.
Based on pure influence alone Sabbath is better.
Check my profile

31% Punk
69% split by every other genre.
I have 3,500 posts and some
and I'm not degrading kids, you were trying to degrade Opeth, and I came to their defense.
Based on musical knowledge Opeth is better

[eighty d]

I can't let this go. Computer Jesus your avatar kicks ***. Chrono Trigger is such a rocking game.

[TojesDolan]

I shall remind you guys we're not here to doubt people's tastes and ****, we're here the Opeth and stuff.

You know.

Music.

[Shadows]

I can't let this go. Computer Jesus your avatar kicks ***. Chrono Trigger is such a rocking game.
Quated for absolute truth! It's too bad Chrono Cross wasn't near as good.

[Anglachel]

Quated for absolute truth! It's too bad Chrono Cross wasn't near as good.
Cross was good. I got an ISO for it and played that. Trigger did pwn it, but at least now I know what happened to Schala.

Whenever I start talking about the Chrono series, this little thought jumps out from the back of my head and I have an undying want for Chrono Brake to start being made already :angry:

[TojesDolan]

It's all about the smaller processors guys.

16-bits is the way to go. Degrading, not upgrading.

I should get a Super Nintendo. :-º

[Anglachel]

It's all about the smaller processors guys.

16-bits is the way to go. Degrading, not upgrading.

I should get a Super Nintendo. :-º
I have a SNES emulator

Thats what i played Trigger on.


And I got a program that translates Super Famicoms Radical Dreamers so I can play it on that emulator too.

[victim of changes]

Influence isn't the same thing as talent or creativity at all. Just because a band is influential doesn't automatically make them good.




Bill Ward > Martin Axenrot
Tonni Iommi > Peter Lindgren
Geezer Butler > Martin Mendez
Ozzy> Mikael Akerfeldt


Sabbath>Opeth

I dont mean to bash them but sabbath is just better

[Super Wotan]

Technical wise?

[Shadows]

Bill Ward > Martin Axenrot
Tonni Iommi > Peter Lindgren
Geezer Butler > Martin Mendez
Ozzy> Mikael Akerfeldt
Crap, I don't even know where to begin.

All I can say is...:lol:
Iommi may be a technically better player than Lindgren, but the other three are very far from true.

[Anglachel]

From the Chrono Trigger references, Ozzie, Slash and Flea (Magus' henchmen) we're all named after Ozzy Osbourne, Slash (GnR), and Flea (RHCP)


:cool:

(I remembered this when I saw "Ozzy>Akerfeldt", which is a lie :mad:)

[Txus]

Geezer Butler > Martin Mendez
Ozzy> Mikael Akerfeldt
:lol: Dude, are you serious? Damn......

[Super Wotan]

Actually, i'd say Ward and Butler are better, but that doesn't make Opeth any worse.

[Txus]

I really don't think Buttler is better than Martin, but then again....I don't like Sabbath so I can't really say anything about it because obviously Martin will always win in my mind.

[Spoonful of Shame]

Bill Ward > Martin Axenrot
Tonni Iommi > Peter Lindgren
Geezer Butler > Martin Mendez
Ozzy> Mikael Akerfeldt


Sabbath>Opeth

I dont mean to bash them but sabbath is just better

haha

[heavy metal kid]

Bill Ward > Martin Axenrot
Tonni Iommi > Peter Lindgren
Geezer Butler > Martin Mendez
Ozzy> Mikael Akerfeldt
Sabbath>Opeth
I dont mean to bash them but sabbath is just better

Dio>Ozzy
Mikael is by far a better vocalist and lyricist than Ozzy.

Opeth is better than Sabbath for sure, Sabbath wasn't even as good as their contemporaries Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin.

[MegaMustaine]

Can someone tell me what their favorite Opeth Ghost Reveries song is? I have the album and have been trying to get into Opeth, but I just don't really like them very much. Any advice?

[Shadows]

The clean singing in Harlequin Forect doesn't appeal to you at all? That was the thing that first caught my attention on the album. Plus the guitar work on Beneath the Mire.

[Super Wotan]

Opeth is better than Sabbath for sure, Sabbath wasn't even as good as their contemporaries Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin.
I disagree here. I'm obsessed with the Black Sabbath s/t though. No songs have EVER came close to how evil the original song Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath sounds. It's perfect.

Anyway, to the guy asking about GR, get one of the older albums. I don't even bother with GR anymore.

[Daven]

Harlequin Forest and Ghost Of Perdition are my favorite off GR.

[sabbath1991]

I disagree here. I'm obsessed with the Black Sabbath s/t though. No songs have EVER came close to how evil the original song Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath sounds. It's perfect.

Anyway, to the guy asking about GR, get one of the older albums. I don't even bother with GR anymore.


thank you

[Jude]

Bill Ward > Martin Axenrot
Tonni Iommi > Peter Lindgren
Geezer Butler > Martin Mendez
Ozzy> Mikael Akerfeldt


:lol:

I don't know about Martin Axenrot but Bill Ward, good as he may have been, was mediocre compared to Lopez.
Iommi vs. Lindgren? I can't separate Lindgren's and Akerfeldt's guitar styles but all three are excellent. Akerfeldt writes more original stuff though
No. Geezer was good, Mendez is great.
And Ozzy vs. Akerfedlt....:lol:

[heavy metal kid]

I disagree here. I'm obsessed with the Black Sabbath s/t though. No songs have EVER came close to how evil the original song Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath sounds. It's perfect.


If I wanna hear evil music I listen to some King Diamond/Mercyful Fate.

But I still think Opeth is better than Sabbath, I'm not a big fan of both bands, I listen to them the same. IMO Ozzy's work with Sabbath was their most soft and boring.

[Flynn]

Bill Ward > Martin Axenrot
Tonni Iommi > Peter Lindgren
Geezer Butler > Martin Mendez
Ozzy> Mikael Akerfeldt


Sabbath>Opeth

I dont mean to bash them but sabbath is just better


I like Sabbath also, but I can't compare them to Opeth, they're too different from each other.

[victim of changes]

Can someone tell me what their favorite Opeth Ghost Reveries song is? I have the album and have been trying to get into Opeth, but I just don't really like them very much. Any advice?


Go listen to Sabbath :thumb:

[pate]

Dio>Ozzy
Mikael is by far a better vocalist and lyricist than Ozzy.

Opeth is better than Sabbath for sure, Sabbath wasn't even as good as their contemporaries Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin.

Ozzy has never even written lyrics!

I would accept, but not be 100% comfortable with:

Axe > Ward
Butler = Mendez
Iommi > Lindgren
Mikael > Ozzy

[i am the robots]

Lindgren > Iommi, and it's just no contest, I'm sorry.

[pate]

I'd say it's no contest the other way. But I would put Mike above Iommi.

I don't like some of Peter's solos.

[Darkness]

I find Iommis solos are usually pretty poor, actually. He's not bad at playing some quick blues licks, but thats it. His rhythm playing is what I like. But Mike and Peter are much more skilled in every category.

[pate]

I greatly agree with more skilled. I just like Iommi's playing more than a lot of Peter's.

And writing, Peter contributes very little, so Iommi wins that one.

I'll drop this right now, as I am no Opeth basher. They are in my top three bands.

[sabbath1991]

I find Iommis solos are usually pretty poor, actually. He's not bad at playing some quick blues licks, but thats it. His rhythm playing is what I like. But Mike and Peter are much more skilled in every category.

I would have thought that someone that listens to so much music could appreciate Iomii. What do you think about him if you wern't comparing him to Opeth?

[pate]

First, learn to spell his name.
Second, leave.

[Darkness]

I find Iommis solos are usually pretty poor, actually. He's not bad at playing some quick blues licks, but thats it. His rhythm playing is what I like.

I like Iommi alot, Sabbath is a great band.

But this is the Opeth thread, it's not even relavent anymore.

[sabbath1991]

First, learn to spell his name.
Second, leave.

Wow, good job you are contributing nothing to the thread.

[sabbath1991]

I like Iommi alot, Sabbath is a great band.

But this is the Opeth thread, it's not even relavent anymore.


Just wanted to bring it up because I came back and there is about three moer pages on this Sabbath vs. Opeth stuff.

[Darkness]

Wow, good job you are contributing nothing to the thread.
I'm sorry but, neither are you.

[pate]

Wow, good job you are contributing nothing to the thread.

It's difficult to contribute when there's stupid troll running around.

[Txus]

Stop this Opeth Vs. Sabbath guys...we know who the winner is and this is an Opeth thread so STFU.

With this said, Morningrise is becoming my favorite Opeth album now and it's becoming one of my favorite 5 albums EVER.

[pate]

I can't seem to get into Morningrise that much. I love about half of it, and could do without the other half. I just might give it a run through right now.

[Anglachel]

I can't seem to get into Morningrise that much. I love about half of it, and could do without the other half. I just might give it a run through right now.
Ditto. : - \

Its not my favourite Opeth album.