Opeth

[Shattered_Future]

I thought Opeth were all about the music... :upset:

They are, but their parental record company thinks otherwise.

[Darkness]

They are, but their parental record company thinks otherwise.
Yeah, I got that.

[gmoneyguy]

Whats the point? It's the older albums that are a bitch to find.
I think D & D are some of the harder to find albums outside of the US.

[Darkness]

I live in Canada, those are all I see in stores. Besides GR, that is.

[Stormrider]

The one I've seen the less is MAYH. Which I've only seen once or twice in the same store. Same with Orchid and Still Life. Deliverance and GR are the most common ones in my area.

I don't recall seeing Damnation many times either.

Come to think of it, I've only seen Morningrise once...

[Darkness]

I've never seen Morningrise. Ever!

Otherwise I would have bought it.

[Stormrider]

I saw it for 16.99 USD :cool:

I was in a Virgin Megastore...luckily one guy who worked there told me to check in the overstock, under all the CD's, below the shelf thing. That's where I found it. Found loads of other stuff too, that I wouldn't have bought if it weren't for looking under there.

[BurningSky]

The only album that I haven't seen in stores is Still Life (I was forced to order online)...

The rest of the catalogue is always available in my local FYE, minus MAYH which is around rather infrequently...

[Shattered_Future]

I've never seen Still Life before, even at specialty stores.

[Deth]

I've never seen Still Life in the US. Everything else I have, albeit MAYH only once.

I picked up SL and MAYH in England.

[GOT the GUDS 112]

Sooo, "Death Whispered a Lullaby" was playing at the end of the Criminal Minds that was on tonight. It was actually a pretty nice fit because some FBI agent was presumably shot by a creepy raspy voice guy at the end. If I do recall, one of the CSI shows had Buckley's Hallelujah as the closing song too, at least those producers are doing something right. Anyway, thought you guys should know.

[gmoneyguy]

Sooo, "Death Whispered a Lullaby" was playing at the end of the Criminal Minds that was on tonight. It was actually a pretty nice fit because some FBI agent was presumably shot by a creepy raspy voice guy at the end. If I do recall, one of the CSI shows had Buckley's Hallelujah as the closing song too, at least those producers are doing something right. Anyway, thought you guys should know.
I hope Opeth stays true to their roots.

Dunkelheit: I actually meant outside of N. America, sorry about that.

[Killtacular]

I bought Morningrise off of eBay for about 7 dollars a week and half ago. Hopefully, I'll get it sometime soon, then I'll only have 3 albums left for my Opeth monopoly.

MAYH, GR, and Orchid, in case you were wondering. Which you weren't. Jerks.

[Darkness]

I was. :upset:

[Killtacular]

Honest?

/with wide, lit up eyes

[Darkness]

Yeah! :)

[JamJar]

I only physically own two Opeth albums. :upset: GR and Deliverence. I really should pick up Still Life someday (I Have mp3s for every song). It's always cheap and always in stock. All the other albums seem stupidly hard to find and tend to be stupidly expensive (About £15-17).

[Kreator2112]

Still Life is a pretty amazing album. I listened to it again last night while doing homework.

If you´ll bear with me,
You´ll fear of me.
You´d never leave me to,
A fate with you.

[Stoo]

Got Deliverance today!

2 in 2 Days. Just putting it on my iPod now. :)

8/8 legal ownage. :cool:

[Shred Danson]

I finally got Ghost Reveries. Goddamn I am blown away by it. The poor reviews it has gotten on metal-archives are just that; piss poor. Man, what a great album. It's pretty different, but still Opeth and still great...

[JamJar]

What I don't get is that so many people here 'hate' GR but on Prog Archives it's one of their highest rated albums. Personally, I think that it lies in the middle of Opeth's works.

[Shred Danson]

I don't really get why people think this is a bad album. There's no denying great music, whether it's tr00 or not. But oh well, different strokes.

[Tyr]

I think that it's a very good album, not just as good as some other Opeth albums.

[The Leper Messiah]

Ghost Reveries is one of my favorite albums from Opeth.

[jpshortstuff]

I think that it's a very good album, not just as good as some other Opeth albums.
exactly my thoughts.
Atonement sounds a bit like some advert i've heard recently or something.

[i am the robots]

I don't really get why people think this is a bad album. There's no denying great music, whether it's tr00 or not. But oh well, different strokes.

I go from thinking it's good to thinking it sucks. Yes, it is Opeth, but it's not traditional Opeth, it's more jazzy and less epic, you know?

[Thor]

Ghost Reveries is one of my favorite albums from Opeth.
I enjoy it for its originality, but it doesnt' have as good of a flow as some of their other albums do, like Still Life and BWP.

[Shred Danson]

I go from thinking it's good to thinking it sucks. Yes, it is Opeth, but it's not traditional Opeth, it's more jazzy and less epic, you know?

Well boohoo. So they're not busting out "orchid"-style songs anymore. That doesn't mean it sucks. But I guess to an Opeth die-hard fanboy that's the equivalent to making St. Anger. :p

[Crysiss]

haha, Pwned.

[Jude]

I go from thinking it's good to thinking it sucks. Yes, it is Opeth, but it's not traditional Opeth, it's more jazzy and less epic, you know?
It's missing the dark and eerie vibe/sound the older stuff had, IMO. I can't really tell if it's because of the riffs, the production (SW's production was good quality but still grim-sounding, but this is like...TOO good, if you know what I mean), the dominance of keyboards in the soft songs rather than the old classical style guitars, or the lyrics. Some of which are downright terrible (see Harlequin Forest). Although there are still some cool ones (I like "Its mouth....is a vorteeeeeeeeeeeeex!" etc)

Also, the quality of the songs is kind of variable. GoP and Baying both rule hard, Beneath the Mire is probably Opeth's worst song IMO, and not just least good -- actually bad (except the solo at the end), Atonement is good but not really Opeth-sounding to me, HF is pretty good musically but has atrocious lyrics, Hours of Wealth is nice at the beginning but the rest is kind of meh, TGC is too repetetive and has that godawful riff in the middle, and Isolation Years is excellent.

[JamJar]

I would probably say that it is their most inconsistent record to date.

[Shadius]

GR is one of their best albums. Yes, they're going in a new direction, and no it's not a bad thing.


SL>GR>D2>MAYH>BP>M>D1>O

All of their albums are amazing to some degree.

And fuck it, GR has more eerie vibe than Deliverance by FAR.

[Jude]

GR is one of their best albums. Yes, they're going in a new direction, and no it's not a bad thing.


SL>GR>D2>MAYH>BP>M>D1>O

All of their albums are amazing to some degree.

And fuck it, GR has more eerie vibe than Deliverance by FAR.
It's not that I mind them going in a "new direction", it's just that some parts of GR are musically or lyrically just downright bland or lame. Take the beginning of Beneath the Mire for music, or "these are the trees" verse of HF for lyrics. However I don't think the new musical direction has much to do with this, it's just that there have never been so many lapses in Opeth's/Mike's amazing songwriting all at once.

I would rank GR as the least dark/creepy album, or possibly Morningrise, but then GR is second. But to me, Morningrise doesn't really TRY to be creepy, whereas GR does but the music just doesn't sound right for it.

[Drone]

I agree with Shadius in the rankings, and I actually find GR to be the second most consistent Opeth album aside from Still Life, of course. I haven't heard My Arms, Your Hearse, though. Maybe after that GR would be third, but I will have to see.

[Shadius]

It's not that I mind them going in a "new direction", it's just that some parts of GR are musically or lyrically just downright bland or lame. Take the beginning of Beneath the Mire for music, or "these are the trees" verse of HF for lyrics. However I don't think the new musical direction has much to do with this, it's just that there have never been so many lapses in Opeth's/Mike's amazing songwriting all at once.

I would rank GR as the least dark/creepy album, or possibly Morningrise, but then GR is second. But to me, Morningrise doesn't really TRY to be creepy, whereas GR does but the music just doesn't sound right for it.

Beneath the Mire has a great intro? I love it. What's wrong with that riff and the distorted dissonant chords behind it? And that drum fill is great. It's fairly original.

And the "these are the trees" etc. lyrics take me away into a forest or somethng being chased by someone, they're pretty good lyrics, IMO. Not using fancy contrived words like a lot of their older stuff, fair enough, but good in their own right.

And i'd say Deliverance has hardly any atmosphere for an Opeth album.

To Drone, MAYH is an amazing album. Just something about it really clicked with me after a while, I find the atmosphere of it so cold and dark. Great stuff.

[Crysiss]

I agree with the Deliverance thing, But its a good thing when you just feel like jamming.

[Jude]

Beneath the Mire has a great intro? I love it. What's wrong with that riff and the distorted dissonant chords behind it? And that drum fill is great. It's fairly original.
The stupid keyboard riff is horrible and sounds like some cheesy little riff from a cartoon show when it's in Arabia or something. Then the riffing is OK I guess, but when the growls kick in and that section goes on I have to stop myself from skipping.

And the "these are the trees" etc. lyrics take me away into a forest or somethng being chased by someone, they're pretty good lyrics, IMO. Not using fancy contrived words like a lot of their older stuff, fair enough, but good in their own right.

I just think those lyrics are weak. The album overall has fairly good lyrics, but that song is kind of bad, especially that verse. Besides, other Opeth songs take me into a forest without even mentioning one specifically :lol:

And i'd say Deliverance has hardly any atmosphere for an Opeth album.

I think it has lots. Especially BTPSIO.

[Shadius]

The stupid keyboard riff is horrible and sounds like some cheesy little riff from a cartoon show when it's in Arabia or something. Then the riffing is OK I guess, but when the growls kick in and that section goes on I have to stop myself from skipping.

I just think those lyrics are weak. The album overall has fairly good lyrics, but that song is kind of bad, especially that verse. Besides, other Opeth songs take me into a forest without even mentioning one specifically :lol:

I think it has lots. Especially BTPSIO.

Seriously?

lol@opeth's music.

[TheOpethAffinity]

whats everyone think about "Ending Credits" from the Damnation cd? amazinggg.

[Thor]

whats everyone think about "Ending Credits" from the Damnation cd? amazinggg.
Amazing material, but it's too short for it to be as epic as it could have been. Shame that it wasn't a few minutes longer.

[Crysiss]

Anyone up for a game to keep the thread fresh?

Lets draw an opeth song.

[Nepenthe]

http://download.yousendit.com/D83965341DDF9C4E

I think this accurately depicts almost all of their songs.

[Crysiss]

theres imageshack.us for images:)

And whats that suppose to signify mother****er.

[gmoneyguy]

I think it has lots. Especially BTPSIO.
Damn right, I love the part that has the dement circus feel to it.

[Kreator2112]

SL>GR>D2>MAYH>BP>M>D1>O


False.

SL>MAYH>MR>BWP>D2>O>GR>D1

[Shadius]

False.

SL>MAYH>MR>BWP>D2>O>GR>D1

lol.

To be honest, they're not even *that* far out besides the fact I think your MR is too high, and GR is too low.

*shrug*

[Kreator2112]

I think GR is kind of overrated in these forums, there aren't any real masterpieces like the others.

Your Mayh was too low :(

[Shadius]

I think GR is kind of overrated in these forums, there aren't any real masterpieces like the others.

Your Mayh was too low :(

Sorry, I could put MAYH above Damnation if it makes you feel better, but I still feel SL and GR are better in terms of quality. I love MAYH though.

It's just like I adore SL, GR, D2, MAYH as albums. BWP I adore half the songs from it, and don't like the latter half too much, Morningrise gave me huge shivers in some of the acoustic/clean parts the first time I heard it, so it has a special place for me but I don't think the songwriting is as good as other albums. Deliverance is clearly a rocking out album for the mostpart and I don't feel like it's up to Opeth standards apart from title track and maybe AFJ. Orchid.. I never got into, Morningrise without giving me goosebumps.

Loads of people simply don't like the direction Opeth are going in, which seems to be including their Damnation 70's prog style more into their heavier music as well. I do like it, however. I don't want them to make another Morningrise or My Arm's Your hearse, you know.

I think the more well produced direction with more clean and weird proggy parts than usual is definately working well for them and I hope they expand upon it. I can see why a lot of metalheads, or Opeth fans wouldn't like it though, and I can definately see why someone wouldn't like TGC, which I find to be the weakest song on there.

[Slapping Penguin]

TGC is soo f-ing good live through.

[Kreator2112]

Opeth will never make another MAYH or MR because thats just not who they are anymore. Mikael explains that on the Lamentations DVD, which is pretty amazing I might add.

They still perform DOTF, so I'm happy with that.

[Thor]

Yeah, he said that even though he knows that sound was really good, he's just tired of playing it. Mikael said that so many bands were playing that same sound that he just became sick of listening to it. I don't really have a problem with them not playing it again because I really like the direction that they're going in right now. Ghost Reveries, while not being the best of Opeth releases, was still something new and exciting.

[spoon_of_grimbo]

ive got every opeth album with the exception of damnation and deliverance. i've got to say that blackwater park and morningrise are my favourites. but GR is still pretty immense, more of a grower than the others.

[the2stranger]

Damn right, I love the part that has the dement circus feel to it.
yup, so freaking creepy, and awesome.

And the bass line after that, so eery..

[Crysiss]

Yeah, he said that even though he knows that sound was really good, he's just tired of playing it. Mikael said that so many bands were playing that same sound that he just became sick of listening to it. I don't really have a problem with them not playing it again because I really like the direction that they're going in right now. Ghost Reveries, while not being the best of Opeth releases, was still something new and exciting.

Wasnt he talking about Orchid and Morningrise?

[Stoo]

He said he was sick of the Dual guitars on the 1st 2 releases and preffered heavy riffing.

Np - Wreath. :evil:

[Thor]

He said he was sick of the Dual guitars on the 1st 2 releases and preffered heavy riffing.

Np - Wreath. :evil:
Mmmmmmm....heavy riffing. I must say that I agree with him in that their older sound would be really tiring if that's all they did. Their new sound is something really great and they should keep making songs like they are now because they have so much potential.

NP - Opeth - Master's Apprentices

I'm on the part right now with the harmonized vocals. Steve Wilson is awesome in this part, and really knows how to make the vocals sound amazing.

[Stoo]

I was just listening to that in my car. (was getting a kebab :cool:)

Love it, especially played blasting from a car.

[Thor]

I was just listening to that in my car. (was getting a kebab :cool:)

Love it, especially played blasting from a car.
I've played some Opeth in my car on multiple occasions, and Demon of the Fall still remains to be the best song to blast while driving fast and screaming. Good times.

[Stoo]

When I drive to my sister's I always play Black Rose Immortal... She lives about 20minutes away. :smoke:

[Thor]

I usually only listen to that song while I'm working or doing another activity. While that song is pretty amazing, it's pretty hard for me to pay attention to one song for 20 minutes, even though it is Opeth.

[Crysiss]

Mmmmmmm....heavy riffing. I must say that I agree with him in that their older sound would be really tiring if that's all they did. Their new sound is something really great and they should keep making songs like they are now because they have so much potential.

NP - Opeth - Master's Apprentices

I'm on the part right now with the harmonized vocals. Steve Wilson is awesome in this part, and really knows how to make the vocals sound amazing.


Ever notice how gay he sounds with just vocals? I was lawling when I seen him on the Lamentations dvd.

[Thor]

Ever notice how gay he sounds with just vocals? I was lawling when I seen him on the Lamentations dvd.
Yeah when his backing parts are really loud they sound awful, but when they're placed in the back of the mix I think they sound really nice.

I have to admit that I laughed when I first heard them, and was like "are you serious? These vocals suck!"...and then I heard the finished product and changed my mind.

Lamentations DVD is like sex.

[Crysiss]

lol yea, the end production is really great. its 'lush':p

[Darkness]

Guys, check the latest update on the Opeth site. Martin Lopez has left Opeth, for good...

I expected much faster replies....


MARTIN LEFT OPETH

[Jude]

lol yea, the end production is really great. its 'lush':p
Not only that, but it's tight as a witch's cleft too!

Edit: Guys, check the latest update on the Opeth site. Martin Lopez has left Opeth, for good...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

:upset: :upset: :upset:

Nobody can replace Lopez....

[Stoo]

Fuck. :upset:

He was Awesome.

[Darkness]

50 bucks says Opeths next album sucks. :upset: ++

[Shadius]

Guys, check the latest update on the Opeth site. Martin Lopez has left Opeth, for good...

I expected much faster replies....


MARTIN LEFT OPETH

Oh man... gutting. He's an amazing drummer, he's so much a part of their sound, who the hell are they going to get?

[Darkness]

Mikael said Axe willl stay with them. I bet their death metal parts will improve, but the slower parts... I donno if Axe has the heart to do that stuff.

[Jude]

Mikael said Axe willl stay with them. I bet their death metal parts will improve, but the slower parts... I donno if Axe has the heart to do that stuff.
Argh, don't remind me about the soft stuff. Lopez's work on the soft sections was one of the most awe inspiring parts of the band. :upset:

[Darkness]

Argh, don't remind me about the soft stuff. Lopez's work on the soft sections was one of the most awe inspiring parts of the band. :upset:
I know man, I know... :upset:

[Thor]

I just died inside.

Why would you quit the best band in the universe?

[Deth]

Yeah, I just read it. It's really sad to see my favorite drummer leave but he obviously had to.

:(

[Darkness]

Let's all listen to To Bid You Farewell in his honor... then something he actually played in.

[Thor]

Let's all listen to To Bid You Farewell in his honor... then something he actually played in.
Already did that. Listened to TBYF and then Master's Apprentices.

[Insipid2000]

Damn, He was the master mind behind Opeths beats oh well no one can replace him and what he did.

[Thor]

Damn, He was the master mind behind Opeths beats oh well no one can replace him and what he did.
Pretty true.

I will only be truly happy if Bobby Jarzombek or Nick Barker replace him, but other than that I'll be really bummed out.

This is truly a sad time in Opeth history.

[Stormrider]

What were his anxiety attacks caused by ?

BTW, listened to a bit of Still Life before...hadn't done that in a while. I think I'll be listening to the whole thing later on.

Bobby is with Iced Earth, Thor :p

[Insipid2000]

He played on most of the classic albums: MAYH, Still Life, BWP, Damnation

[Thor]

Well now we know that if they make another album like Damnation it won't be nearly as good because Lopez's fills and additions to the songs were just so perfect.

[BurningSky]

Does Billy Cobham still play drums professionally..?

I think he is the only one that can match Lopez's diversity and skill. This is a horrible moment in music history...

[Thor]

Does Billy Cobham still play drums professionally..?

I think he is the only one that can match Lopez's diversity and skill. This is a horrible moment in music history...
Now I think that Nick Barker would be a good candidate for the band's next drummer. While is is way to fast for them, he could easily play slower. He's also extremely creative and comes up with some incredible parts to listen to. I'd love it if he joined up with the band. He potentially could I think, seeing as how he's not in Dimmu Borgir anymore and he's not doing any side projects to my knowledge.

[Deth]

Sean Reinhart would be good, but it would never happen.

They need a jazzy/ethnic drummer.

[Insipid2000]

How come there are so many martins in opeth Martin Lopez, Martin Mendez and Martin Axenrot? must be just a coincedence.

[Deth]

Mikeal has a fetish for Martins.

[BurningSky]

Well, the decision so far is Axe, which is a standard metal drummer...

We can all hope for a jazzy drummer though; it would fit Opeth so much better, especially with this new direction...

[Shattered_Future]

Now I think that Nick Barker would be a good candidate for the band's next drummer. While is is way to fast for them, he could easily play slower. He's also extremely creative and comes up with some incredible parts to listen to. I'd love it if he joined up with the band. He potentially could I think, seeing as how he's not in Dimmu Borgir anymore and he's not doing any side projects to my knowledge.

Barker would be a horrible fit, I think. He's fast as hell, and has some great drumlines, but his drums and Opeth would have a godawful clash. They're completely different.

[Jude]

I think he is the only one that can match Lopez's diversity and skill. This is a horrible moment in music history...
On the plus side, Lopez is doing a side project? That should rule.

[Kreator2112]

travis barker would be a much better drummer.

[PeEpHoLe_10]

Im soo ****ing gutted about Lopez.:upset:

[Killtacular]

Travis Barker would fit the style dumbass.
If he would fit the style, then why are you complaining?

-

Deliverance. Best mellow drum parts EVAR.

[Cardboard Headgear]

On the plus side, Lopez is doing a side project? That should rule.
Don't think it counts as a side project if you don't have a main band for it to be on the side of...
:(

[TakeWarning]

Damn that sucks, he was an amazing drummer, especially on Damnation.

[JamJar]

Lopez was a great drummer and was perfect in Opeth. They will never be the same again. :upset:

[Prince of Darkness]

hmm. That's some bad news right there.

[Thor]

Well I remember a few days back we were complaining that we had nothing new to talk about, and unfortunately we do now. :upset:

I don't think the band will ever fully recover from this.

[Killtacular]

Better buy Still Life and love it now, kiddies. They'll never make anything like it ever again.

Hell, same for Damnation. And Deliverance.

[JamJar]

I've never really heard Axenrot play. Is he more of a death metal drummer? If so, we could see another MAYH -esque album.

[Thor]

Better buy Still Life and love it now, kiddies. They'll never make anything like it ever again.

Hell, same for Damnation. And Deliverance.
You can add BWP to that list, also.

I can see them making another album like MAYH, though.

[Txus]

I'm sad about Martin's departure from the band :upset:

I hope "Axe" mantain the same level as Lopez did.

[Thor]

I'm sad about Martin's departure from the band :upset:

I hope "Axe" mantain the same level as Lopez did.
I've never even heard of this Axe guy until this. What has he done, or is he brand new?

[Txus]

I think he's one of the most talented Drummers in the swedish metal scene. He is the drummer from Bloodbath.

[Thor]

I think he's one of the most talented Drummers in the swedish metal scene. He is the drummer from Bloodbath.
Well that would make sense that he's in the band, Akerfeldt's connection with Bloodbath and all.

Well if he's a talented death metal drummer then I don't think I can complain as much as I was. I still don't think he can fill Lopez's spot, but it will be interesting to see where the band goes. I won't write off the band for the sole fact that Lopez is gone, but I'll still be pretty critical. I bet Axe knows that people will be skeptical and will listen to him with critical ears because so many people loved Martin.

I would only write off Opeth if Mikael left, but that would never happen because he writes just about everything for the band. I shudder the thought of him leaving.

[Txus]

If Mikael leaves opeth I would take a plane to sweden and castrate him.....:p

But on a seriouse note, I think Axe will handle all the pressure because in my eyes he is an excellent drummer.

NP: Opeth - Closure

[Thor]

If Mikael leaves opeth I would take a plane to sweden and castrate him.....:p

But on a seriouse note, I think Axe will handle all the pressure because in my eyes he is an excellent drummer.

NP: Opeth - Closure
Mikael will never leave Opeth. If he ever did leave the band I'm sure that they wouldn't continue on without him.

[Moses]

If Mikael leaves opeth I would take a plane to sweden and castrate him.....:p
If you did that, his growl wouldn't be as deep and therefore he would be a useless human being.

[Txus]

If you did that, his growl wouldn't be as deep and therefore he would be a useless human being.
:lol: He could then play some Power Metal......

[Thor]

If you did that, his growl wouldn't be as deep and therefore he would be a useless human being.
Pretty true. Mikael's growls are the best that I've ever heard.

[Moses]

Eww just imagine Cedric Bixler singing for Opeth.

Though Theodore would be a good replacement for Martin.

[Thor]

Eww just imagine Cedric Bixler singing for Opeth.

Though Theodore would be a good replacement for Martin.
That's wrong, just plain wrong. Even though I'm a fan of The Mars Volta, that just wouldn't fit at all. Opeth cannot have another singer besides Mikael.

[Txus]

Yeah, Mikael is perfect in the band. I think Theodore wouldn't fit in here also even though he is an excellent drummer. Sean Reinert should play with opeth..but that's not likely to happen :(

[Thor]

My dream drummer for Opeth (besides Martin, of course) would be Nicholas Barker, even though I've already said that. He easily has the speed and chops for their death metal songs and has a vast amount of creativity for their slower parts like on the Damnation album.

[Txus]

I think Gene Hoglan would make an excellent Opeth drummer. But that's just a dream.

[Moses]

That's wrong, just plain wrong. Even though I'm a fan of The Mars Volta, that just wouldn't fit at all. Opeth cannot have another singer besides Mikael.
That's what he would sound like if he was casterated.

Howerever, I stand by my statement that Jon Theodore would be a good drummer for Opeth. Pretty much anyone with a great latin feel would do fine.

[Txus]

That's what he would sound like if he was casterated.

Howerever, I stand by my statement that Jon Theodore would be a good drummer for Opeth. Pretty much anyone with a great latin feel would do fine.
I just imagine Tito Puente playing along Demon Of The Fall.....:lol:

[Thor]

That's what he would sound like if he was casterated.

Howerever, I stand by my statement that Jon Theodore would be a good drummer for Opeth. Pretty much anyone with a great latin feel would do fine.
He would do a good job with the latin parts easily, but you also need a good drummer who can lay down some fast death metal beats, too. And that's why Martin Lopez was so perfect for Opeth.

[Moses]

He would do a good job with the latin parts easily, but you also need a good drummer who can lay down some fast death metal beats, too. And that's why Martin Lopez was so perfect for Opeth.
The death metal beats weren't even remotely fast. I could hardly imagine Theodore struggling with that at all.

John Freese would be excellent.

[Thor]

The death metal beats weren't even remotely fast. I could hardly imagine Theodore struggling with that at all.

John Freese would be excellent.
Most of them weren't, but sometimes it's a little tough to find a drummer with matching creativity and speed. I was thinking of the song "Wreath" at the time, which does have some pretty speedy stuff in it.

[Trivium616]

Man, I can't believe Lopez left. Opeth just isn't going to be the same anymore. But I guess this Axe guy will do just fine on the next album.

[Stoo]

Hmm.
All axe has been doing is reproducing Lopez' work. You can't really have any idea what the next albums going to be like drum-wise.

[Trivium616]

Hmm.
All axe has been doing is reproducing Lopez' work. You can't really have any idea what the next albums going to be like drum-wise.
That's true. But if the band got together and decided to keep Axe then he must be good. Hope he sticks to the way Lopez played. Also, anyone know anything about his upcoming project?

[Txus]

Hmm.
All axe has been doing is reproducing Lopez' work. You can't really have any idea what the next albums going to be like drum-wise.
If he does the same drumming as in Bloodbath then I will be happy.

[Toaster]

Yeah, on Nightmares Made Flesh Axe really rips. I just hope Lopez's exit doesn't take anything away from Opeth musically.. this may mean the introduction of the Opeth blast beat, and I don't know how I feel about that. And Lopez had some really creative beats.

[Trivium616]

Yeah, on Nightmares Made Flesh Axe really rips. I just hope Lopez's exit doesn't take anything away from Opeth musically.. this may mean the introduction of the Opeth blast beat, and I don't know how I feel about that. And Lopez had some really creative beats.
I don't know if I would listen to Opeth anymore if they brought in blast beats. I mean, it works in some places, but I can't picture that in Opeth.

[Shattered_Future]

Oh God, if Opeth uses blastbeats, I'm not buying...

Lopez brought a bunch of Latin beats to the band, and whatnot...otherwise, IMO he seems pretty replaceable. Those beats, though, are what made him special, therefore making him hard to replace...

It doesn't contradict itself. Trust me.

[Pinhead13]

Wasn't Lopez born in Sweden?

[Stoo]

He was but moved away very young.

Was it Uraguay?

Can't Remember.

[Trivium616]

Yeah, it was Uraguay.

[Stoo]

Wait a sec what the hell is a Blast Beat?

[[Shadowfox]]

Just found out Lopez left. 'Tis a sad day indeed. He was a great drummer, and Opeth will not sound the same without him. I'll be playing TBYF...right after my Berzerker tracks finish.

[Thor]

Wait a sec what the hell is a Blast Beat?
Blast beat is a drum beat consisting of rapid alternating strokes on the snare and bass drums. The snare drum forms the focus of such a beat, with bass drum often played beneath the snare to create a 'wall of sound'. The hi-hat or a ride cymbal is often played simultaneously with either the bass drum or rarely with the snare drum, however crash cymbal or china cymbals can often be featured as well. (as taken from Wikipedia)

[TheOpethAffinity]

(about the song "Ending Credits" from Damnation)

Amazing material, but it's too short for it to be as epic as it could have been. Shame that it wasn't a few minutes longer.

i think it was the perfect length for that type of song...

[Whale and Wasp]

/laments martin's leaving the band.

its kind of sad that it had to end this way, especailly when you see how desperate he was to join opeth in the first place. oh well i will look forward to whatever his project would be.

Blast beat is a drum beat consisting of rapid alternating strokes on the snare and bass drums. The snare drum forms the focus of such a beat, with bass drum often played beneath the snare to create a 'wall of sound'. The hi-hat or a ride cymbal is often played simultaneously with either the bass drum or rarely with the snare drum, however crash cymbal or china cymbals can often be featured as well. (as taken from Wikipedia)

i see.....why do people say they are bad? what is so bad about blastbeats?:confused:

[Shattered_Future]

Oftentimes they don't match up with the music at all, making everything sound like a big mess.

[Deth]

I am completely against blastbeats in Opeth. They wouldn't fit, and once they begin to be used, they often become overused.

[Insipid2000]

Trivium overuse their Blast beats way to fucken Much.

[Shadows Within]

What are blast beats?
like constant double bass? or quick bursts?

[Crysiss]

blast beats are like, hmmm... Snares played in 16th notes in rapid succession. Lots of double bass too.

Most Death Metal use it alot.

Trivium do not use blast beasts.

[Shadows Within]

blast beats are like, hmmm... Snares played in 16th notes in rapid succession. Lots of double bass too.

Most Death Metal use it alot.

Trivium do not use blast beasts.
dont they use that alot in Ghost Of Perdition?

at like 1:50

[Crysiss]

Ill have to give that a listen.

Wait.

EDIT: I said snare, not bass drum.

[Deth]

It's really fast snare with constant bass drum and usually a ride cymbal. You notice it when it happens.

[Shadows Within]

Ill have to give that a listen.

Wait.

EDIT: I said snare, not bass drum.
ohhh i know what you mean now.

[Crysiss]

Ok, Cool:)

Just listen to something like Cryptopsy for further reference.

[Insipid2000]

blast beats are like, hmmm... Snares played in 16th notes in rapid succession. Lots of double bass too.

Most Death Metal use it alot.

Trivium do not use blast beasts.

Oh, ok my bad then I thought they had blast beats to my knowledge but I must be wrong.:confused:

[Crysiss]

You were probably thinking double bass.

[Shadows Within]

You were probably thinking double bass.
like me :upset:

[Crysiss]

haha yea,

Alot of Double Bass in an Opeth song is Masters Apprentices.

[Darkness]

Or Wreath.

[Crysiss]

yep, I prefer Wreath to MA::)

[Trivium616]

Eh, if you want a good example of a blast beat download some of the newer songs from Behemoth. Just about their whole songs is one big blast beat :(

[Crysiss]

Little too late on the blastbeat reply there bro.

[Toaster]

i see.....why do people say they are bad? what is so bad about blastbeats?:confused:

Many drummers say it's just noisemaking, that it basically just satisfies the primal instinct in us to hit things really fast and hard. Many drummers also dislike the amount of praise it gets, saying it's just one beat among a million. I personally am a big fan, I think at the right moment it can add a frenzied effect to music, but there are definitely bands that overuse the blast beat (Origin).

Master's Apprentices >>> Wreath.

[Crysiss]

I like MA more than Wreath, I just like the way double bass fits with Wreath.

They should've used that solo Steven Wilson played in the Lamentations DVD. That sounds pretty sweet:)

[Slapping Penguin]

I've never really heard Axenrot play. Is he more of a death metal drummer? If so, we could see another MAYH -esque album.

Well when he played live he was soo good. And he adding double kicks at the end of closure :D Sorry but doubles are perfect then, just at the last time that riff happens it topped it off making it so intense.

OPETH WITH AN OCCASIONAL BLAST BEAT WOULD BE AWESOME, but on a more sensible note its too late to incoprate that into their music now so no, and it would be alot more generic.

Blast beats can be amazing but they have to be done correctly in moderation.

[Darkness]

Mikaels last solo in Wreath is one of my favorite Opeth solos.

[Stoo]

Yeah, blast beats sound like they'd suck balls in Opeth.

And yeah DoG awesome solo. :cool:

[Thor]

Best Opeth solo of all time = The Leper Affinity

[the2stranger]

Best solo by Opeth imo: A Fair Judgement
/eargasms.

[Thor]

Best solo by Opeth imo: A Fair Judgement
/eargasms.
That's actually 2nd place for me, and probably the highlight of the entire album. The end of Peter's solo, while being really easy, is incredibly awesome. I've actually shed a tear or two during that song before.

[UpperDecker]

Wreath has some crazy *** solos in it. That song is frickin nice. Very long too.

[BlindWriting]

Bye Martin. We'll miss you.

[Crysiss]

Martin did great in Opeth, Will Axe fill in for him permanently?

[Darkness]

He will.

[Crysiss]

Ironic they still have two Martins in the band.

[Darkness]

I wonder how much the population of Sweden is named Martin?

[Crysiss]

30% percent Id say.:p

why do you wonder? haha

[gmoneyguy]

I wonder how much the population of Sweden is named Martin?
Martin Lopez, and Martin Perez aren't really from Sweden. I believe Axernot is.

[Crysiss]

Mendez, not Perez.:)
But yea, you can really tell by the way they talk.

[Thresher]

about the opeth solo's :
#1 Beneath the mire
#2 White cluster
#3 A Fair Judgement ( Last Solo )

[penelope weird hands]

God damn it.
Just read the news. >:/
He will be sorely missed.

I saw Axenrot last month when Opeth came here and, while he was excellent, he basically just replicated most of Lopez' beats.

I really hope he can do something similar, as in style, for their next albums.
I have faith that he'll be really good, but it just won't be the same...

Bye Lopez. :(

[gmoneyguy]

Mendez, not Perez.:)
But yea, you can really tell by the way they talk.
Haha yeah, I can't believe I thought It was Perez.

[Crysiss]

lol, Anyone notice a few riffs from BRI are sort of ripped off?

The little bass thing sounds like Mortal Kombat.

The part at 3 11 sounds like The Cures "A Forest"

[Thresher]

Mikaels last solo in Wreath is one of my favorite Opeth solos.

the begining is actualy crap , though the last 5 seconds are pretty intense :D
Sorry ... but Peter is just better at solo's

[Crysiss]

yea, In Your Opinion, Im sure others would disagree.

[Thresher]

bah .... how many times have you seen Opeth live ?

considering the fact that Michael bears the vocals make a GREAT difference ...
but if you take a look at peter ,, hes really putting the edge on his guitar

[Crysiss]

And how does it matter how much times Ive seen them live?

Im not going to get into arguing with someone I know nothing about, they could be trolling and you cant get anything across their mind.

Just stop there.

[Thresher]

Though i have to mention that Michael is ALOT more Evil sounding compared to peter ... Mik has the emotion ... the evilness ..
but peter has the precision !!

[Thresher]

heh .. no offenses made . sorry if my english is bad .. im french

merci ..

[Crysiss]

Mikael is main songwriter too.

[Thresher]

you know i really have respect for that guy . the way he writes his stuff ... its just crazy man; how he comes up with these EVIL sounding riffs and everything.
LOL Mik always goes for the disharmony !! why ?? Cause it Sounds GREAT !!

[chappo]

saw opeth at luna park big top about 3 weeks ago and i have to agree with you....mikael has a very evil sounding type of growl but his clean vocals are unbelievable!!!! he sang closure and his voice was so harmonious it was great to listen to....pretty hard to believe that he had such a great clean voice after listening to his awesome growls!!
also...he is hilarious between song changes...im sure anyone who has seen him live you would agree with me..

for example after they performed "the baying of the hounds" he asked if there was anyone who didnt like the song....one person put there hand up and mikael replied with "thats ok thats ok.....everybody....shoot him" bloody hilarious....

[PeEpHoLe_10]

about the opeth solo's :
#1 Beneath the mire
#2 White cluster
#3 A Fair Judgement ( Last Solo )


Throw The Lepper Affinity solo in there and you have it 100% right my man.:thumb:

[Jude]

for example after they performed "the baying of the hounds" he asked if there was anyone who didnt like the song....one person put there hand up and mikael replied with "thats ok thats ok.....everybody....shoot him" bloody hilarious....
:lol: That's awesome.

I barely notice Opeth solos because they fit into the songs so well, but White Cluster has by far the best solo of any Opeth song.

[denboy]

On the topic of the loss of Lopez... Somewhere, I can find positives to it.. Getting a new drummer could help change evolve their sound yet again.. But I really wish it was someone more capable than Axenrot (no offence to the guy, he's probably a great drummer, he just doesn't seem like he's in the same league as Lopez was)

[Hevy Tred]

:lol: That's awesome.

I barely notice Opeth solos because they fit into the songs so well, but White Cluster has by far the best solo of any Opeth song.

Very much so, and serenity painted death...God that has to be the best song
Ripped from my embrace
Melinda reflected in shafts
Red line round her neck
Met the earth in silence
Whoa..Yes
(Still life is my favorite album, i love the story)

But i have to say the most memorable song by opeth is from my arms your hearse.
April Etheral -
Like a bird of prey over the crest.
And she was swathed in sorrow, as if born within its mask.

Her candlelight snuffed, the icon smiled.

His voice in those lines is so powerful. Its dramatically different from any form he used over the years. It punches you in the face, and you cant help but love it

Edit: I forgot to mention still life also holds my favorite opeth riff of all time
Godheads lament 5:53-6:53 That riff can make you cry or awaken a fury, So passionate

(Opeth rocks :))

[Crysiss]

Im going to have to check that out tred:)

Yea, That part sounds very cool, I always like Mikes riffs.

[Hevy Tred]

Very cool, i love pinpointing the badassery of some of the riffs.

[Crysiss]

So did anyone notice in Black Rose Immortal that the one riff at 3 11 bears a great similarity to The Cures-A forest vere riff?

[gmoneyguy]

I noticed Opeth has song similar to Rushes YYZ.... I can't remember the exact Opeth Song it reminded me of.

[Crysiss]

It sounds like something Opeth and Dream Theater would write if they had a joint project.

I dont really notice a similarity to any Opeth song in particular though.

EDIT: Haha, check this vid out

http://www.neilpeart.net/movies/yyz_vid.html

[Hevy Tred]

Meh i wouldnt enjoy an opeth - DT collaboration.

Ew...
DT seem to serious and Opeth is just wayy too laid back (From what it seems on stage, Quote from mike " Meet peter, he's gay")

[Crysiss]

its a good thing its not happening.


Well, rumours have been floating around that their doing a project with Steven Wilson of Porcupine Tree and Mike Portnoy of DT.

[gmoneyguy]

I would hate to see or hear an Opeth-Dream Theater Collaboration.


Cryssis: just Mikael.

[Crysiss]

yea I forgot to say that. My bad

[Jude]

I noticed Opeth has song similar to Rushes YYZ.... I can't remember the exact Opeth Song it reminded me of.
Maybe the end of Deliverance? That crazy beat for the last 3 minutes is vaguely similar to the intro riff of YYZ.

The Wilson/Akerfeldt/Portnoy thing is going to happen, we just don't know when.

[gmoneyguy]

Maybe the end of Deliverance? That crazy beat for the last 3 minutes is vaguely similar to the intro riff of YYZ.I was kind of thinking that.

The Wilson/Akerfeldt/Portnoy thing is going to happen, we just don't know when.
I can't wait to hear what they come up with.

[Crysiss]

k cool, I look forward to it.

Steven and Mikaels songwriting=Eargasm:D

[Hevy Tred]

Wow, that sounds good.

I love portnoys drumming, and i hope mike is singing

[Crysiss]

Mikael and Steven singing harmonies=Eargasmsx1000:D

[denboy]

I can almost positvely promise that Steven and Mikael will share vocal duties

[Crysiss]

Even on Opeth albums, Steven still sings.

I didnt like that Steven didnt work with the 'peth with GR:(

[Hevy Tred]

Growling? Singing? Whos doing what and how.

(Im interested now :))

[Crysiss]

I kind of doubt that there are going to be any growling, the three of them will create something progressive w/out growling.

[Hevy Tred]

Hmm...I love mikes growl


(2000!)

[Moses]

I'm especially excited to hear what this will be like. Does the project have a name yet? Or any official information?

[Crysiss]

His growl is brutal, I like the way it sounds in Bloodbath alot.

Congrats on 2000, 20 more for me and ill hit 2100:)\

OPETH frontman Mikael Åkerfeldt has confirmed reports that he is planning on collaborating with PORCUPINE TREE's Steven Wilson and DREAM THEATER drummer Mike Portnoy on an as-yet-un-named project.

nope, nothing much yet.

[Hevy Tred]

Ive never heard porcupine tree, is steven wilson a singer?


( yea 2000 is nice, but im a year older than you in MX days, you win mx :))

[Moses]

Ive never heard porcupine tree, is steven wilson a singer?
He's a composer for the most part. He does create some of the best vocal harmonies though and writes all the instrument parts and sings for Porcupine Tree.

[Crysiss]

thats 2 months older buddy haha.

Steven Wilson is a singer, yes. You can hear him singing on Bleak, Masters Apprentice, etc. Stuff from D/D and BWP.


I think me and Steven want to make it heavy, and I think Mikael wants to, uh, not be heavy. Because me and Steven want to do stuff that we can't do with PORCUPINE TREE and DREAM THEATER, and get to some really heavy stuff. And I think that Mikael wants to get away from the heavy stuff because he does that all the time with OPETH

That part was interesting

[Hevy Tred]

Porcupine tree being...Deathmetal? similar to opeth or DT?


thats 2 months older buddy haha.

(Well you can cut my posts in half, i used to be a pit beast, haha)

[Moses]

Porcupine tree being...Deathmetal? similar to opeth or DT?
:lol:

No, it's not even heavy. It's just really good music.

[Crysiss]

no, Not Death Metal.

[Hevy Tred]

Ahh any recommended songs? Maybe worth the look if thier good.

[Stormrider]

I didn't know Steve Wilson sang in Master's Apprentice...

[Crysiss]

its in the part before it goes.


DUNT----DUNT----DUNT---DUNT---DUNT--Du-du-da-du-du-Daaaa

The aaaaah part:)

[Stormrider]

its in the part before it goes


DUNT----DUNT----DUNT---DUNT---DUNT--Du-du-da-du-du-Daaaa

Hmm, I'll listen to it then and see. I always thought Akerfeldt sang all those clean parts :-/

Ah, the Ahhh part :p he sings with Akerfeldt then, heh.

[Hevy Tred]

Same here. This is odd...

[Crysiss]

Harmonizing with him, it works out great:)

I only know because I seen them recording that part on the Lamentations DVD.

[Moses]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEI35cBensc

That's probably what Portnoy is gonna do with Mike and Steve. It's weird seeing him with a smaller set.

[JamJar]

Wow! You could actually see Portnoy.

[Shadows]

I love you guys.

[Crysiss]

thats the most minimalistic kit ive seen an artist use in a long time.

[Tyr]

thats the most minimalistic kit ive seen an artist use in a long time.
Especially since it's Portnoy.

[Crysiss]

yea, Geez I cant wait for more news to come out about this project.

are the DT fans as stoked by this?

[Tyr]

I don't know about the DT fans, but I know I'm stoked.

[Thresher]

he looks like a damn hillbilly :(

[Crysiss]

Who are you talking about

[Thresher]

portnoy :) with the converse like shoes and the overwashed shirt :D

[Rotarubehc]

Martin Lopez Leaves.........................
:((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( ((((((((((((((((((((

[Drone]

Yes, it is sad. I just bought Damnation today and am especially astounded by the drumming!

We will have to see what happens next.

[Crysiss]

It wont be for awhile until another album, so you'll have to wait til than. Id say late 07 they're next album will be released.

[UpperDecker]

Hmm, I'll listen to it then and see. I always thought Akerfeldt sang all those clean parts :-/

Ah, the Ahhh part :p he sings with Akerfeldt then, heh.

I'm taking a guess......... Is it Masters Apprentices???

[Crysiss]

well, we werent guessing what song it was, I was trying to show them an example of where Steven Wilson sings.

[MidnightRider]

Ahh any recommended songs? Maybe worth the look if thier good.

Check out Arriving Somewhere But Not Here, Akerfeldt does the backing vocals and it's one of their heavier songs. For some others:

Blackest Eyes
Trains
Lazarus
Glass Arm Shattering
Halo
Always Never
She's Moved On

That should get you started. ;)

[Drone]

It wont be for awhile until another album, so you'll have to wait til than. Id say late 07 they're next album will be released.

I assumed it would be in that time period anyway. I prefer when bands wait at least two years in between albums because it gives me more time to make my final decision on their previous album. I wouldn't want the follow-up to Ghost Reveries to come out in late August. One can only wonder what the next one will sound like, though.

[Darkness]

GR was fine, but I really hope the next album is different.

[Atica]

Hey I'm just starting to get more deeply into Opeth, though I had already heard them, but only have the album of Damnation. So what other albums do you recomend me to download first?

[Hevy Tred]

Blackwater park OR Still life

(BWP being my first opeth album, very distinct)

And if you havent heard it, Black Rose immortal, The longest song..Ever (Probably longer out there, but wont be as good as opeth)

[Atica]

OK thanks dude. Can you send me that album please?

[Hevy Tred]

Hmm i cant upload for **** man...

Try this
http://www.slsknet.org/

BEST p2p program for music bar none, Listen to no one else i am right ;)

[Darkness]

Request them in the daily upload.

[Shattered_Future]

Soulseek will do you mad good. Even though it doesn't work for me...:angry:

I'd say go with Blackwater Park, if you're a new Opeth fan. Slightly easier to get into, but it's one of their best...

[Atica]

The problem with the daily upload is that metaloz isn't sending me anything, and I have post and uploaded things. :(

[Whale and Wasp]

i love deliverance. very relaxing album for some reason

[Hevy Tred]

Yea but...Deliverance is a really hard album for a new opeth fan to get into
BWP would be best


Bleak \m/ (My first opeth song)

[Jude]

Check out Arriving Somewhere But Not Here, Akerfeldt does the backing vocals and it's one of their heavier songs. For some others:

Blackest Eyes
Trains
Lazarus
Glass Arm Shattering
Halo
Always Never
She's Moved On

That should get you started. ;)
He forgot Don't Hate Me, Even Less, Dark Matter, The Sky Moves Sideways Phase 1, and Radioactive Toy! And if you're into heavier stuff (incidentally it was SW's discovery of Opeth that largely inspired him to start putting heavy riffs in his music) check out Futile, So Called Friend, and Mother and Child Divided.

[Jude]

Blackwater park OR Still life

(BWP being my first opeth album, very distinct)

And if you havent heard it, Black Rose immortal, The longest song..Ever (Probably longer out there, but wont be as good as opeth)
Echoes by Pink Floyd begs to differ, being 3 minutes longer and much much better (and better than Black Rose Immortal is awfully hard to be!)

Still Life or BWP are generally considered the best starter albums. I prefer Still Life, for the reasons that I like the lyrics more (it's a concept album that tells a story), it's more balanced between heavy and light (BWP is much more tilted toward heavy) and it's more consistently good (BWP probably has more high points but also more weak parts) They are the "classic" Opeth sound, and also the best. If you like those two, check out Deliverance and My Arms Your Hearse. Both are heavier than the first two, especially Deliverance, and are somewhat different styles but still in the "classic" Opeth vein. Then check out Morningrise and Orchid, which are a quite different style (although still with the same songwriting formula, of course). Also of course get Ghost Reveries along the way...it is a new era of Opeth (Orchid and MR are the first, MAYH- Deliverance are the second, and arguably Damnation is part of the "new" era as well since it pointed in some of the directions GR turned out to go in.

[Flynn]

Echoes by Pink Floyd begs to differ, being 3 minutes longer and much much better (and better than Black Rose Immortal is awfully hard to be!)



Yeah it's longer...but BRI is far more intricate.

[Moses]

I always hate on BRI when the subject comes up. It just seems amature. The content is great but the writing just seems too skippy.

[gmoneyguy]

I always hate on BRI when the subject comes up. It just seems amature. The content is great but the writing just seems too skippy.
I would argue the exact opposite, because of the fact they don't really rely on previous riffs. Becauses of that it shows their creativity.

Buts that is an arguement that goes no where.

NP: Moonlapse Vertigo - Opeth