Opeth

[rhcp pman]

Yeah. Well, actually my dad listens to about 50% of the stuff I listen to, but then he is really closed-minded about the other stuff. My mom tries to "get it" but usually can't really. Although she did like "Battle of Evermore" by Zeppelin with the vocal harmonies and what.
Yeah. I'd say Group 1 of music listeners enjoy a song because of the vocals. Group 2 enjoy it because of the simple/catchy/melodic instrumental work. Group 3 would be enjoying it because of the complicated/progressive instrumental work. You could probably substitute 'group' for 'level', but they don't progress exactly in that way so it's not infallible. Sadly my mum is a Level 1 listener, but she has never once questioned why I listen to extreme music like Opeth :).

[Werny]

Man, I don't understand how you can't love it. The switchbacks between hard and soft are soooooo incredible....
ooooh oooh oooh ooooooh etc etc
then
OUTCAST WITH DOGMAS FORGED BELOOOOOOOOW
SEARED AND BEATEN ETC ETC

There's so many other great parts like that, great riffs....that song is just 100% amazing and epic.

I think the reason it doesn't grab me after the excellent start is that it doesn't weave around like the rest of the album, it's a relatively simple song. Godhead's Lament, Face of Melinda and White Cluster make me drool because they change around so much and are quite technical but still have that basic catchiness.

[rhcp pman]

Does anyone have any Opeth video clips. I had a sudden inspiration when I imagined how awesome it would be to watch Mikael and Steven doing the duet singing on Bleak. Musicgasmic...

[Jude]

I think the reason it doesn't grab me after the excellent start is that it doesn't weave around like the rest of the album, it's a relatively simple song. Godhead's Lament, Face of Melinda and White Cluster make me drool because they change around so much and are quite technical but still have that basic catchiness.
I'd say The Moor switches more than Face of Melinda or Godhead, but to each his own.

[Morningrise]

I'd say The Moor switches more than Face of Melinda or Godhead, but to each his own.
I agree. But I think Black Rose Immortal gets the crown here ;)

[Jude]

Does anyone have any Opeth video clips. I had a sudden inspiration when I imagined how awesome it would be to watch Mikael and Steven doing the duo singing on Bleak. Musicgasmic...
I found some google video search or something with a couple Opeth vids. It had a full one of The Drapery Falls, then a few Damnation songs, and other than that there were only like 30 second videos.

[raz0r]

I think the video for The Grand conjuration is on the roadrunner site.

[EDIT:] http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/artists/Opeth/video.aspx
There's the link

[i am the robots]

That video doesn't really make sense for the song... Sadistic Zoro? Hot goth chicks? Snakes? The chick with the snake is ****ing hot though.

[vashts80]

From what I've read, the band had no control over the video, and they hate the video as well.

[Morningrise]

That video doesn't really make sense for the song... Sadistic Zoro? Hot goth chicks? Snakes? The chick with the snake is ****ing hot though.
123. It's just not Opeth...

[i am the robots]

Definately not... except the scenes where it's them, because that literally is Opeth :p.

[Treebeard]

Although in the video Lopez isn't drumming...

[vashts80]

Yeah, I think that's Hoglan because by that time Lopez had already gone home

[Musical_Nerd]

That video doesn't really make sense for the song... Sadistic Zoro? Hot goth chicks? Snakes? The chick with the snake is ****ing hot though.

What I don't get is why the girl got sucked into the toilet lol.. Does anyone know if their gonna be making another video?

[i am the robots]

Although in the video Lopez isn't drumming...

It's also Mendez, Akerfeldt, Lindgren, and Wiberg though.

[Shattered_Future]

The video DOES make no sense though.

What's with the old dude? :confused:

[The Cynic]

I was really disappointed with the video and apparently so were they. They probably didn't get much of a say in it. I think they were just told what to do.

[Mr. Ron]

The video DOES make no sense though.

What's with the old dude? :confused:
The video is about a guy setting the old dude on fire for being a pedo.....at least that's what I get from it.

[Shattered_Future]

Really?

Damn, I thought the dude with the mask was just really, REALLY messed up.

[i am the robots]

Huh? How is he a pedo...

[Jude]

Someone should just make a video of them walking through some woods in winter, now THAT would make a good Opeth video.

[Darkness]

Or make a Still Life music video, with all the scenes and what not, sept the actors wouldn't talk, it would just have the cd playing for the hour and five min or whatever it is. :D

[Morningrise]

Someone should just make a video of them walking through some woods in winter, now THAT would make a good Opeth video.
Yup. That'd be perfect cause that's the imagery I get from most of their songs.

[Deth]

Or make a Still Life music video, with all the scenes and what not, sept the actors wouldn't talk, it would just have the cd playing for the hour and five min or whatever it is. :D
They would have to be some damn fine actors.

[Werny]

Huh? How is he a pedo...

Did you not see the gimp/Zorro guy show him the photos he had of that chick in school uniform (although I don't think it means he's a pedo, she was like 18 by the looks of it).

I also got the feeling the two chicks were lesbians... hmm.

If the band had control over the video it'd be a sell-out but nah, the company did it. I was expecting, being the epic song it is, something like a huge cathedral or forest yeah, but no it doesn't suit the song at all.

And Peter said in an interview that they had no control, they were just asked to come in and play the song while they filmed them. They said they didn't like the video but could understand why they'd make one like that.

[Deth]

No church burnings :(.

[Mr. Ron]

No church burnings :(.
*rubs hands together*


hee hee heeeee

^_^

[Deth]

'Tis the season.

[Mr. Ron]

'Tis the season.
nah, that's Varg's job. :p

[Deth]

*Takes of church burnin' boots*

:(

[Werny]

I'd say The Moor switches more than Face of Melinda or Godhead, but to each his own.

The Moor follows the old Opeth formula that plagues a lot of their opening tracks, few heavy parts, acoustic section, another few heavy parts.

Godhead's Lament maybe does that too, but definitely not any of the other tracks on Still Life. And I hate how they use the typical verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-verse-chorus (or whatever) on all of their acoustic songs (that I've heard anyway), but Face of Melinda does that differently, it never really repeats.

[Mr. Ron]

*Takes of church burnin' boots*

:(
Well, I guess you can always deface that Chatholic monument over there withthis pig blood I suppose.

[Werny]

No church burnings :(.

Indeed! And what's with the decent quality cameras!?

Pssh, SELLOUTS!

/sarcasm

[Jude]

The Moor follows the old Opeth formula that plagues a lot of their opening tracks, few heavy parts, acoustic section, another few heavy parts.

Godhead's Lament maybe does that too, but definitely not any of the other tracks on Still Life. And I hate how they use the typical verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-verse-chorus (or whatever) on all of their acoustic songs (that I've heard anyway), but Face of Melinda does that differently, it never really repeats.
Pretty much every Opeth song follows "That old opeth formula" you know...

[Darkness]

They would have to be some damn fine actors.
The band could do it, Mikeal could be the main character, Peter could be Melinda, Martin M. could be Melindas husband, and Martin L. could be the guy that hangs Mikeal, and Per could be the guy that watches and cheers as Mikeal gets hung! :D

nah, that's Varg's job. :p
God I love that guy, Burzum rules.

[Mr. Ron]

The band could do it, Mikeal could be the main character, Peter could be Melinda, Martin M. could be Melindas husband, and Martin L. could be the guy that hangs Mikeal, and Per could be the guy that watches and cheers as Mikeal gets hung! :D


God I love that guy, Burzum rules.
Even though he is sort of crazy, he's a genius.

[Darkness]

Even though he is sort of crazy, he's a genius.
Agreed, I hate when people are like "OMFG HES JUST A RACIST NAZI!11" He's actually very smart, if you actually read/listen to what he's saying.

[Jude]

Agreed, I hate when people are like "OMFG HES JUST A RACIST NAZI!11" He's actually very smart, if you actually read/listen to what he's saying.
Well...that's going a bit far. He is very intelligent but he's also undeniably crazy. However he is really onto some things like the human race is evolving into less intelligent, women's lib or whatever is ridiculous after a certain point, and so on.

Whereas he thinks Nordic people are better than everyone because they can get in touch with Odin and Thor. Right.

[Darkness]

Well...that's going a bit far. He is very intelligent but he's also undeniably crazy. However he is really onto some things like the human race is evolving into less intelligent, women's lib or whatever is ridiculous after a certain point, and so on.

Whereas he thinks Nordic people are better than everyone because they can get in touch with Odin and Thor. Right.
That doesn't make him crazy, a little ultranationalistic maybe, but not crazy.

[Mr. Ron]

I for one follow Nordic heathenism, and he touches on a lot of interesting things.

But yeah, he was a little extreme in some areas.

[Jude]

I for one follow Nordic heathenism, and he touches on a lot of interesting things.

But yeah, he was a little extreme in some areas.
Most.

I wouldn't even say he's necessarily insane, at least not in a psychotic way. His thinking for the most part is totally rational, if very "weird" by most standards. On the other hand he's definitely not completely sane given how deliberately and coldly he killed his bandmate.

[Darkness]

Indeed, although he (name slipped mind, started with E) was planning to kill Varg, as Varg stated in the Burzum story.

[Det_Nosnip]

Euronymous. Also known as http://www.google.com/
;)

[TojesDolan]

I didn't find the video that bad. It's not exactly grim and dark adn what not, but it's OK for commercial purposes, I suppose.

[Slapping Penguin]

Or make a Still Life music video, with all the scenes and what not, sept the actors wouldn't talk, it would just have the cd playing for the hour and five min or whatever it is.

I had that exact I idea, I could make the best video for the album. I can just see this man walking though an old town in a black clock not being noticed but he remeber the people as he walk past them. Like just imagine him looking at the inn keeper or something and it flash back to him cherring when he is banished. Or somehting like that.

[Kragen]

I dunno - I love still life, having to interpret the imagery and story for yourslef is half the point of the album for me - and its definitely my favourite album.

I like opeth not having video's for their music. I dont mind them making a vid for The Grand Conjouration, but I kind of dont see the point of music video's, I'd prefer to listen to more music produced, than watch video's. Music video's seem to have become the "norm", and I fully dont see why, it's a nice creative idea, creating a video for a track to go with, but just becomes meaningless when everyone does it for every song :/

[Jude]

Indeed, although he (name slipped mind, started with E) was planning to kill Varg, as Varg stated in the Burzum story.
Even after reading Varg's version of the story I really don't think Euronymous was planning to kill him.

[Morningrise]

Even after reading Varg's version of the story I really don't think Euronymous was planning to kill him.
Who really knows... it might indeed have just been empty threats. Nonetheless, I admire Varg's insights and his perception of thought.

[Shattered_Future]

I read somewhere that he only stabbed him about 5 or 6 times, instead of 23...

Whatever the case may be, he's a rather messed up person...and his ideology changes almost every fecking day.

[vashts80]

Varg might have screws loose, but some of what he says is intelligent. I read an interview about his views on women, and he said something to the effect of that they wanted to be more like men and if they couldn't, they would spend money on surgery and act like a whore. It's tr00f. :D

And yes, apparently Varg only stabbed Euronymous a couple times in the body and once in the head, the rest of the wounds are apparently from Euronymous falling on glass shards

[Shattered_Future]

Oh, he was intelligent, yes...but then again, so was Hitler.

Intelligence =/= goodness. Just felt like stating that. :thumb:

Man, I didn't realize Orchid was so good...one song in and I'm already hooked.

[jaco jr]

Varg might have screws loose, but some of what he says is intelligent. I read an interview about his views on women, and he said something to the effect of that they wanted to be more like men and if they couldn't, they would spend money on surgery and act like a whore. It's tr00f. :D

And yes, apparently Varg only stabbed Euronymous a couple times in the body and once in the head, the rest of the wounds are apparently from Euronymous falling on glass shards
yeah, when i read what varg said - admittedly chasing after a fleeing euronymous then stabbing him in the back may have been wrong, but the reaosn for wanting him dead, becuase otherwise euronymous wouldve had him killed seemed perfectly fair
and a musical genius too!

[Stoo]

I'm totally lost in this thread.

[TojesDolan]

I think there's Varg going on, apparently a murderer, a little "The grand conjuration" video rant by myself, some Nazi talk relating to Varg, And basically a little Opeth. But just minimal.

[Darkness]

Even after reading Varg's version of the story I really don't think Euronymous was planning to kill him.
Really dude? Did you read about how he was running after weapons in his apparentment to use on Varg, after he made the first attack?

[Jude]

Really dude? Did you read about how he was running after weapons in his apparentment to use on Varg, after he made the first attack?
Uhh...so Varg goes to Euronymous' apartment, attacks him, Euronymous tries to get a weapon (according to Varg) to defend himself, and Varg stabs him over 20 times?

That's not self-defense. If Euro killed Varg it would have been.

And yes, apparently Varg only stabbed Euronymous a couple times in the body and once in the head, the rest of the wounds are apparently from Euronymous falling on glass shards
Not according to Varg's account of the story.

yeah, when i read what varg said - admittedly chasing after a fleeing euronymous then stabbing him in the back may have been wrong, but the reaosn for wanting him dead, becuase otherwise euronymous wouldve had him killed seemed perfectly fair

Uh....not fair by most people's definition.

[Darkness]

Wrong dude, Varg went there in the middle of the night (which he claimed was normal for them) with some kind of contract they had to sign, and at this time Euronymous and his friends had planned to kidnap Varg, tie him up, put him in the trunk of his car, drive him out to the country side, and torture him and video tape the whole thing. So Varg found out about this, went to his house for a different reason, and Euronymous seemed really nervous, and Varg seemingly startled him by saying "what the **** is going on?" and Euronymous kicked him in the chest, and made a break for his kitchen where he kept a knife, then yadda yadda yadda, Varg stabs him in the hallway of the apprentment building, after Euronymous had knocked a lamp down and it shattered, Varg had stabbed him in the shoulder a few times already in an attempt to stop him, then Euronymous tried to kick him again, then Varg put the knife through his head, and he fell on the busted up lamp. Go read the story for yourself on his web site.

[Jude]

Wrong dude, Varg went there in the middle of the night (which he claimed was normal for them) with some kind of contract they had to sign, and at this time Euronymous and his friends had planned to kidnap Varg, tie him up, put him in the trunk of his car, drive him out to the country side, and torture him and video tape the whole thing. So Varg found out about this, went to his house for a different reason, and Euronymous seemed really nervous, and Varg seemingly startled him by saying "what the **** is going on?" and Euronymous kicked him in the chest, and made a break for his kitchen where he kept a knife, then yadda yadda yadda, Varg stabs him in the hallway of the apprentment building, after Euronymous had knocked a lamp down and it shattered, Varg had stabbed him in the shoulder a few times already in an attempt to stop him, then Euronymous tried to kick him again, then Varg put the knife through his head, and he fell on the busted up lamp. Go read the story for yourself on his web site.
Of course the fact that Euro was supposedly going to kill Varg, we only have Varg's word for it.

[Darkness]

Thats true, but you're forgetting Euronymous made the first attack against Varg, when Varg simply asked what the hell was going on with all this stuff he was hearing about the whole torture thing. And like Varg would make a story up quite like that. If you read any of his stuff that doesn't have to do with Euronmyous, you'll see he's not the kinda guy who would just make that story up.

[Jude]

Thats true, but you're forgetting Euronymous made the first attack against Varg, when Varg simply asked what the hell was going on with all this stuff he was hearing about the whole torture thing. And like Varg would make a story up quite like that. If you read any of his stuff that doesn't have to do with Euronmyous, you'll see he's not the kinda guy who would just make that story up.
Actually, I think he would make up stories, considering how many times he's changed his story about this incident.

But whatever. I just got my rap-listening friend to download The Moor and he liked it pretty much.

[Killtacular]

I just got my rap-listening friend to download The Moor and he liked it pretty much.
I don't see how that worked out.

[Jude]

I don't see how that worked out.
He's open-minded. He's gotten me into some good rap once in a while too.

[Darkness]

Actually, I think he would make up stories, considering how many times he's changed his story about this incident.
Unless you read that straight from burzum.org, he's never changed his story man, he said it himself the media blew the whole thing way out of perportion, so it's likely you've seen variations on the interent.

[Mr. Ron]

http://www.burzum.com/

Go there for info on Burzum.

I like his Sagas.

[Killtacular]

He's open-minded. He's gotten me into some good rap once in a while too.
Oh. He's one of "those" kinds.




Blackwater Park is heavier than Deliverance.

[Darkness]

http://www.burzum.com/

Go there for info on Burzum.

I like his Sagas.
I believe www.burzum.org is his official site.

[Mr. Ron]

Opps, yeah thats his Official site. The other one is good too.

http://www.burzum.org/

[Flynn]

Anyway, I was thinking today of a video in my head that would be so badass to Still Life, the entire album as a video. There's so many places Opeth could go with it, as could they with all their albums, but I think Still Life would be more appropriate. If Opeth do decide to make a video to one of their albums, it would be the first a band did that in a long time, not to mention make bank on it as well. They have the time, money and potential now, they just need to do it! What do you think?

[Knifeboy]

Blackwater Park is heavier than Deliverance.

The songs?
. .. .No

The albums?
.. .
.. . No

[Killtacular]

The songs?
. .. .Yes

The albums?
.. .
.. . Yes

I agree completely.

[Darkness]

Anyway, I was thinking today of a video in my head that would be so badass to Still Life, the entire album as a video. There's so many places Opeth could go with it, as could they with all their albums, but I think Still Life would be more appropriate. If Opeth do decide to make a video to one of their albums, it would be the first a band did that in a long time, not to mention make bank on it as well. They have the time, money and potential now, they just need to do it! What do you think?
Didn't I say that like, 2 pages back?

I agree completely.
I will argue you this in your favour. The song Blackwater Park is heavier then any song on Deliverance. But as a whole, probably not.

[Det_Nosnip]

Intelligence =/= goodness. Just felt like stating that. :thumb:

...


Man, I didn't realize Orchid was so good...one song in and I'm already hooked.

So, what are you saying...Orchid is stupid? :confused:

[Morningrise]

...
So, what are you saying...Orchid is stupid? :confused:
I don't think that's what he meant at all.

Anyway, The Twilight is My Robe has got to be one of the greatest songs that Opeth has written.

[Misery]

So I downloaded a video of Opeth's concert at Wacken Open Air 2003, and at around 13:50 minutes into the video they played a song I didn't recognize, even after listening to every single Opeth song I have. Was wondering if anyone knows what that song is?

[suspect]

Where did you download it from?

[Misery]

Where did you download it from?eMule. The file is called... uh... *looks*... [Opeth] Live at Wacken 2003.asf

[Jude]

eMule. The file is called... uh... *looks*... [Opeth] Live at Wacken 2003.asf
Well, it's possible it was a cover or one of their bonus tracks or something, but more likely you just don't have all their albums and so didn't recognize the song.

[Knifeboy]

So I downloaded a video of Opeth's concert at Wacken Open Air 2003, and at around 13:50 minutes into the video they played a song I didn't recognize, even after listening to every single Opeth song I have. Was wondering if anyone knows what that song is?

you could post some of the lyrics?

[Jude]

So this morning I woke up, looked out the window, found it was snowing really hard and everything was covered in white, and was happy. Then I remembered I had Morningrise in my CD player so I turned on Black Rose Immortal and proceeded to be even happier.

Which Opeth album do you think is most suited to snowy weather? To walking in a forest at night? To walking in a forest at night in snowy weather?

[Stoo]

Forest at night - Blackwater Park.
Snowy weather - Morningrise.
Really heavy rain at night - Ghost Reveries.

I can't explain why. The albums just make me think like that.

[Morningrise]

As for me...

Orchid is foresty. Remember when Opeth used to be called forest metal back in the days? xD
Morningrise sounds like the rising sun.
MAYH is a hot, rainy summer night.
Still Life, I can't explain. Something along the lines of running through a dark, misty moor xD
Blackwater Park definitely sounds like an autumn album.

I'll just stop there. Opeth are a truly unique band. I don't know any other bands that can conjure up such great imagery in their music and lyrics.

[Moses]

Blackwater Park definitely sounds like an autumn album.


I agree, especially with songs like Harvest and The Leper Affinity. They just have this Autumn-y feel. Blackwater Park (the song) actually reminds me of a rainy day on a canoe in the middle of a misty lake. I don't know why but that's just where it puts me.

[vashts80]

eMule. The file is called... uh... *looks*... [Opeth] Live at Wacken 2003.asf

I think the Inferno Festival setlist was similar, so it was probably Advent. I might be wrong though. If you listen to the song, did it have a really cool bass sliding part at 3-4 mins into it?

[Shattered_Future]

...



So, what are you saying...Orchid is stupid? :confused:

Fuh?

No, I'm saying I underestimated it. I had tracks from it at first, and thought they were meh. It's growing on me more now.

I may analyze Bleak for a health project. Be rather funny to see what happens when I blast that for my 65% rich Jewish school. :lol:

Does anybody know what that song is about, by any chance? I'm horrible at lyrical interpretation...:(

[Kage]

You get to analyze lyrics for a health project?

[Misery]

I think the Inferno Festival setlist was similar, so it was probably Advent. I might be wrong though. If you listen to the song, did it have a really cool bass sliding part at 3-4 mins into it?
Yeah, you're right... it was Advent! :cool: Probably like, the only Opeth song I didn't know. Such a cool song, too, can't believe I've missed it. Thanks!

[Jude]

Blackwater Park, definitely best to listen to this in autumn/winter. Same with Orchid and Morningrise.

The song BWP always makes me think of this kind of swampy dark place full of really big ominous trees, a little like the album cover.

[Morningrise]

Blackwater Park, definitely best to listen to this in autumn/winter. Same with Orchid and Morningrise.

The song BWP always makes me think of this kind of swampy dark place full of really big ominous trees, a little like the album cover.
Yeah, I think the album cover really suits the title song. It sounds like the most "evil" song Opeth has put out. At least to me :p

[Shred Danson]

Yeah, I think the album cover really suits the title song. It sounds like the most "evil" song Opeth has put out. At least to me :p

Hehe...it reallys has some asskickin' riffs...that's actually the first Opeth song I heard and I was like "badass" from the opening to the end...BWP is a pretty dark album, music-wise, if ya ask me...

[Mr. Ron]

If you had the choice, who would you guys have record a split album with Opeth?


I think Agalloch would be insane with Opeth.

[Txus]

Fuh?

No, I'm saying I underestimated it. I had tracks from it at first, and thought they were meh. It's growing on me more now.

I may analyze Bleak for a health project. Be rather funny to see what happens when I blast that for my 65% rich Jewish school. :lol:

Does anybody know what that song is about, by any chance? I'm horrible at lyrical interpretation...:(
This song is obviously about him killing someone. He describes the approach:

"Moving, I am moving closer to your side
Luring, you are luring me into the night
Crying, who is crying for you here
Dying, I am dying fast inside your tears

Plunging towards bereavement faster yet
Clearing thoughts, my mind is set"

Then, he sets up for the kill:

"Devious movements in your eyes
Moved me from relief
Breath comes out white clouds with your lies
And filters through me
You're close to the final word
You're staring right past me in dismay
A liquid seeps from your chest
And drains me away
Mist ripples round your thin white neck
And draws me a line
Cold fingers mark this dying wreck
This moment is mine

Help me, cure you
Atone for all you've done
Help me, leave you
As all the days are gone "

Then he does it:

"Night fall again
Taking what's left of me
Slight twist, shivering corpse
Ornated with water, fills the cracks
Clasped in my lims by tradition
This is all you need"

And he watches as their tears fill their wounds as they die, "clasped in my lim[b]s by tradition".

I hope this helps.:)

[Morningrise]

Txus. I love thy Opeth lyric interpretation you've posted for "The fun thread" and Bleak. Consider writing up an entire album if it's not too much of a hassle for you. I'm interested in reading them. xD

[Friik]

This song is obviously about him killing someone. He describes the approach:

"Moving, I am moving closer to your side
Luring, you are luring me into the night
Crying, who is crying for you here
Dying, I am dying fast inside your tears

Plunging towards bereavement faster yet
Clearing thoughts, my mind is set"

Then, he sets up for the kill:

"Devious movements in your eyes
Moved me from relief
Breath comes out white clouds with your lies
And filters through me
You're close to the final word
You're staring right past me in dismay
A liquid seeps from your chest
And drains me away
Mist ripples round your thin white neck
And draws me a line
Cold fingers mark this dying wreck
This moment is mine

Help me, cure you
Atone for all you've done
Help me, leave you
As all the days are gone "

Then he does it:

"Night fall again
Taking what's left of me
Slight twist, shivering corpse
Ornated with water, fills the cracks
Clasped in my lims by tradition
This is all you need"

And he watches as their tears fill their wounds as they die, "clasped in my lim[b]s by tradition".

I hope this helps.:)


After reading the lyrics i think its about someone with a terminal disiese, specialy in this part:

"Devious movements in your eyes
Moved me from relief
Breath comes out white clouds with your lies
And filters through me
You're close to the final word
You're staring right past me in dismay
A liquid seeps from your chest
And drains me away
Mist ripples round your thin white neck
And draws me a line
Cold fingers mark this dying wreck
This moment is mine"

he's denying it but its killing him, you can see it from the description "mist ripples round your this white neck, and draws me a line, cold fingers mark this dying wreck, this moment is mine" people start to decay when the're dying, they get thinner, paeler (sp?) and their extremities start to get less blood.

[Six Foot Revolver]

Txus. I love thy Opeth lyric interpretation you've posted for "The fun thread" and Bleak. Consider writing up an entire album if it's not too much of a hassle for you. I'm interested in reading them. xD
They are very interesting reads but asking him to do a whole album seems like too much.

[Txus]

They are very interesting reads but asking him to do a whole album seems like too much.
Nah, give me a week or so and i'll try to do my best. :)

[Mr. Ron]

This song is obviously about him killing someone. He describes the approach:

"Moving, I am moving closer to your side
Luring, you are luring me into the night
Crying, who is crying for you here
Dying, I am dying fast inside your tears

Plunging towards bereavement faster yet
Clearing thoughts, my mind is set"

Then, he sets up for the kill:

"Devious movements in your eyes
Moved me from relief
Breath comes out white clouds with your lies
And filters through me
You're close to the final word
You're staring right past me in dismay
A liquid seeps from your chest
And drains me away
Mist ripples round your thin white neck
And draws me a line
Cold fingers mark this dying wreck
This moment is mine

Help me, cure you
Atone for all you've done
Help me, leave you
As all the days are gone "

Then he does it:

"Night fall again
Taking what's left of me
Slight twist, shivering corpse
Ornated with water, fills the cracks
Clasped in my lims by tradition
This is all you need"

And he watches as their tears fill their wounds as they die, "clasped in my lim[b]s by tradition".

I hope this helps.:)


I love that song so much.

[Morningrise]

They are very interesting reads but asking him to do a whole album seems like too much.
Heh. I didn't mean to sound arrogant.

[bucket]

"Devious movements in your eyes
Moved me from relief
Breath comes out white clouds with your lies
And filters through me"

"Help me, cure you
Atone for all you've done
Help me, leave you
As all the days are gone"

I'd say he's killing a woman who cheated on him.

[Darkness]

Oh, I always thought he said "the summer days are gone"...

:smash: :lol:

[Deth]

Oh, I always thought he said "the summer days are gone"...

:smash: :lol:
Well, you would with the way you treat that masterpiece :angry:.

[Darkness]

Well, you would with the way you treat that masterpiece :angry:.
Far from masterpiece. :)

Songs like the Leper Affinity, have way better riffs, and lyrics, and vocals etc.

Bleak is an average song to me, it has nothing that really jumps out and grabs me.

[Deth]

Far from masterpiece. :)

Songs like the Leper Affinity, have way better riffs, and lyrics, and vocals etc.

Bleak is an average song to me, it has nothing that really jumps out and grabs me.
Lies!

I don't feel like getting into this argument again, we've had it enough :p.

[Whale and Wasp]

deliverance has now become my fvorite opeth album :D

[Crysiss]

my favourite album at the moment is morningrise, i got the re-issued version and i would like to hear eternal soul torture with an actual production.
Also, i am actually in a city and would anyone want to recommend me an opeth album? I have Deliverance, Still Life, Morningrise and Ghost Reveries. I also have The Lamentations DVD.
Perhaps BWP?

[ok lateralus]

my favourite album at the moment is morningrise, i got the re-issued version and i would like to hear eternal soul torture with an actual production.
Also, i am actually in a city and would anyone want to recommend me an opeth album? I have Deliverance, Still Life, Morningrise and Ghost Reveries. I also have The Lamentations DVD.
Perhaps BWP?
BWP is excellent, but MAYH (My Arms, Your Hearse) is even better

[Darkness]

BWP is excellent, but MAYH (My Arms, Your Hearse) is even better
I'd still recommened BWP first, as it is seen as the best by many.

[ok lateralus]

I'd still recommened BWP first, as it is seen as the best by many.
Not me :p

[The Cynic]

I'd still recommened BWP first, as it is seen as the best by many.


It is a better place to start out with. MAYH has a really dark atmosphere, darker than most and it takes a while for you to get really into it.

[Darkness]

If he enjoys Still Life, Deliverance and Ghost Reveries more so then Morningrise, he should get BWP, but if he's more of a Still Life/Morningrise kinda guy, then My Arms, Your Hearse would probably be best bets. Or Damnation if you want some all soft stuff. :p

[Shlakalam3]

Hey guys, saw Opeth last night in Munich, Germany. The show was FRIGGIN sweet. They were playing with Burst, who are also really cool.
Opeth played:

Ghost of Perdition
When
Closure
Bleak
White Cluster
The Grand Conjuration
Under The Weeping Moon (From orchid, thats crazy)
Baying of the Hounds
A Fair Judgement

Encore: Deliverance

It was cool as hell hearing Under The Weeping Moon, Mikael said that they hadn't played anything from that album (Orchid) in years. He was a riot up on stage, talking about David Hasselhof and ****... Axenrot is still drumming with them right now, that was kinda disappointing, i wanted to see Lopez... but Axenrot still rules and played the songs accurate to the beat.

[Flynn]

Far from masterpiece. :)

Songs like the Leper Affinity, have way better riffs, and lyrics, and vocals etc.

Bleak is an average song to me, it has nothing that really jumps out and grabs me.


I like Bleak, It's a masterpiece.

[Killtacular]

It's good, but no Opeth masterpiece.

[repcak]

I will see Opeth today... in 2h :D i will make some photos and will public it afterwards on my homepage :thumb:

can't wait...

[repcak]

Hey guys, saw Opeth last night in Munich, Germany. The show was FRIGGIN sweet. They were playing with Burst, who are also really cool.
Opeth played:

Ghost of Perdition
When
Closure
Bleak
White Cluster
The Grand Conjuration
Under The Weeping Moon (From orchid, thats crazy)
Baying of the Hounds
A Fair Judgement

Encore: Deliverance

It was cool as hell hearing Under The Weeping Moon, Mikael said that they hadn't played anything from that album (Orchid) in years. He was a riot up on stage, talking about David Hasselhof and ****... Axenrot is still drumming with them right now, that was kinda disappointing, i wanted to see Lopez... but Axenrot still rules and played the songs accurate to the beat.


damn, and i only know about half of the songs you named... i'm only familiar with morningside, still life and ghost reviews

[Shattered_Future]

Wow...thanks Txus. That helped a lot. :thumb:

Kage: Oddly enough, yes, we get to analyze songs for health. :lol:

Part of our health class has to do with relationships and human emotions, or something along those lines...and from the few parts I could pick out of from Bleak, there was some kind of human interaction/emotion thing going on there.

[Quickdrop]

just went and picked up Ghost Reveries. Good stuff, i think im gonna buy another copy for my friend for Christmas.

[Txus]

So ElectricalStorm told me to post this in here, this are some Opeth song interpretations i've made through some deep thinking...I already posted this in the fun thread.

Enjoy. :)

Opeth - Blackwater Park

Confessor
Of the tragedies in man
Lurking in the core of us all
The last dying call for the everlost
Brief encounters, bleeding pain
Lepers coiled neath the trees
Dying men in bewildered soliloquys
Perversions bloom round the bend
Seekers, lost in their quest
Ghosts of friends frolic
under the waning moon
It is the year of death
Wielding his instruments
Stealth sovereign reaper
Touching us with ease
Infecting the roots in an instant
Burning crop of disease
I am just a spectator
An advocate d0cumenting the loss
Fluttering with conceit
This doesn't concern me yet
Still far from the knell
Taunting their bereavement
Mod round the dead
Point fingers at the details
Probing vomits for more
Caight in unbridled suspense
We have all lost it now
Catching the flakes of dismay
Born the travesty of man
Regular pulse midst pandemonium
You're plucked to the mass
Parched with thirst for the wicked
Sick liaisons raised this monumental mark
The sun sets forever over Blackwater park

My Interpretation:

I did some thinking, and this is what I've come up with.

This is the magnum opus of the album; while musically some of the other songs are better (The Funeral Portrait, Dirge For November, Bleak) thematically, Blackwater Park outshines the rest. It is an analogy - on the surface, it talks of a village (Blackwater Park) where sin and disease have taken hold, and where people are dying off, until at last the narrator too is infected and dies. However, the song is an analogy for the evils in the world - Mikael is watching corruption and violence destroy the world slowly because of all the wrongs we've commited. The intro sums that up: "Confessor of the tragedies in man, lurking in the core of us all. The last dying call for the everlost; brief encounters, bleeding pain."

The narrator recalls visions of horror... "Lepers coiled neath the trees; dying men in bewildered soliloquys. Perversions bloom round the bend; seekers, lost in their quest. Ghosts of friends frolic under the waning moon ." The whole town around the man is dying out. People wander aimlessly through the world, unsure of their purposes in life.

In terms of the story, the narrator is an uninfected person, "an advocate d0cumenting the loss". He sees the sickness but is not a part of it yet: "It is the year of death, wielding his instruments. Stealth sovereign reaper, touching us with ease. Infecting the roots in an instant, burning crop of disease." In a literal sense, he is avoiding the immoral acts of the modern world and trying to live a good life. "Fluttering with conceit; this doesn't concern me yet. Still far from the knell, taunting their bereavement " So far, he is proud of the fact that he has avoided the "disease" of such failings, and he can laugh at those who have given up, but he knows that one day he will end up like all the others.

Mikael points out mankind's morbid fascination with violence and terror ("Point fingers at the details, probe vomits for more. Caught in unbridled suspense."), and how we as a society have "lost it now", at every moment "catching the flakes of dismay" - taking in every gory detail of life via the media. He points out the sick attitudes of today's youth in his metaphor about plague survivors who more and more often want to investigate the "disease" rather than exterminate it: "Born the travesty of man, regular pulse midst pandemonium. You're plucked to the mass, parched with thirst for the wicked."

Finally, Mikael remarks "Sick liaisons raised this monumental mark; the sun sets forever over Blackwater Park." As the sickening morbidity of the survivors takes over the town, ruining it forever and confirming its eventual destruction, the metaphor is for the doomed nature of our society. If we keep finding entertainment and interest in the dark side of humanity, the sun will set on us all, too.

Opeth - Windowpane

Blank face in the windowpane
Made clear in seconds of light
Disappears and returns again
Counting hours, searching the night

Might be waiting for someone
Might be there for us to see
Might be in need of talking
Might be staring directly at me

Inside plays a lullaby
Slurred voice over children cries
On the inside

Haunting loneliness in the eye
Skin covering a secret scar
His hand is waving a goodbye
There's no response or action returned

There is deep prejudice in me
Outshines all reason inside
Given dreams all ridden with pain
And projected unto the last

My Interpretation:

I'm pretty damn sure the song is about child abuse (physical and maybe sexual), and when I've played the song to friends, they've come to the same conclusion on their own.

The first verse and the bridge seem to be describing a child, looking out the window, waiting for somebody (his father?) to come home. And when the father does come home, drunk, he assaults his child or children ("slurred voice over children's cries"), scarring them emotionally for life.

"Haunting loneliness in the eye, skin covering a secret scar". This verse seems to be describing the father leaving in the morning for work or whatever, waving to his child, who doesn't return the wave, but just stares blankly out of the window. The final verse seems to be saying that the boy is Mikael and that his father mistreated him, which would be in line with "To Rid The Disease", which also seems to be about a father mistreating him. He seems to be saying that he still has bad dreams about his father's acts, and will for the rest of his life.


Opeth - Serenity Painted Death

Returned from a hibernal dream
Voices fell like marble
No longer by my side
Gone all that would linger

Ripped from my embrace
Melinda reflected in shafts
Red line round her neck
Met the earth in silence

White faced, haggard grin
This serenity painted death
With a halo of bitter disease
Black paragon in lingering breath

White faced, haggard grin
This serenity painted death
With a halo of bitter disease
Black paragon in lingering breath

Saw here fading, blank stare into me
Clenched fist from the beautiful pain

Darkness reared its head
Tearing within the reeling haze
Took control, claiming my flesh
Piercing rage, perfect tantrum
Each and every one would die at my hand
Choking in warm ponds of blood
At last, weak and torn, I went down
Drained from strength, flickering breath

Came with the moon
The wayward in concious state
Flanked and barred in destiny's end
Underneath with hope in laches
Swathed in filth, any would betoken
Starlit shadows on the wall
Finally there to collect me
From the bowels of sin

My Interpretation:

This is chapter 6 in the "Still Life" story. Still Life is a concept album that tells a story. The previous chapters told of how this man was banished from his hometown because of his lack of faith. He won't ever forgive the people that abandoned him, but he has returned to confront the one girl he loves, Melinda. In the previous "chapter", "The Face of Melinda", he confronts her. However, he learns that she has become married.

"Endlessly gazing in nocturnal prime
She spoke of her vices and broke the rhyme
But baffled herself with the final line
My promise is made but my heart is thine"

In this passage at the end of "The Face of Melinda", Melinda states that she is married but her heart belongs to the man who has returned. And this passage from "Serenity Painted Death"-

"Returned from a hibernal dream
Voices fell like marble
No longer by my side
Gone all that would linger

Ripped from my embrace
Melinda reflected in shafts
Red line round her neck
Met the earth in silence"

I believe that Melinda has just commited suicide because she is married to someone she doesn't truly love. The narrator then goes into a state of anger and vows to kill all of the people who had banished him. Which leads to chapter 7, "White Cluster"...

[Quickdrop]

^^interesting stuff xus.

[suspect]

"Ripped from my embrace
Melinda reflected in shafts
Red line round her neck
Met the earth in silence"

I believe that Melinda has just commited suicide because she is married to someone she doesn't truly love. The narrator then goes into a state of anger and vows to kill all of the people who had banished him. Which leads to chapter 7, "White Cluster"...

The "Ripped from my embrace." line points more to her being caught by the village people, and that they hang her for the sin she has commited. Really nice post by the way.

[Darkness]

The "Ripped from my embrace." line points more to her being caught by the village people, and that they hang her for the sin she has commited. Really nice post by the way.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure she didn't commit suicide, she was probably caught by the village people, and killed for her crimes against her husband.

[ElectricalStorm]

It's best that those write-ups were posted here. The majority of people who would choose to read them would do so because they already like the band--so it makes sense that the posts would be most beneficial in this thread.

Hopefully this will inspire others to contribute. So if you have any ideas just post them, don't be afraid to be wrong on an internet forum.

As for Blackwater Park, I don't see it so much as a condemnation of society but rather a realization of the irrevocably flawed condition of human nature--a condition that will eventually result in the described desolate future. The lyric is made infinitely more tragic by the acknowledgement that such facisinations with death and evil are everlastingly entrenched in our being--in the sense that their permanent existence guarentees a grim future.

Morever, most Opeth lyrics result from an elevated interest with death, evil, and the occult. For Mikael to condemn such interests would be hypocritical. If anything, he's simply realizing their inevitable presence in this song.

Having said that, I do think Bwp is exaggerated and overly dramatic.

[Stoo]

Did someone from the band or representing the band actually say Still Life was a story or did people just get that impression from the lyrics?

Just curious.

:)

[Mr. Ron]

Does anyone know what Blackrose immortal was about?

[Dummer'n'Drummer]

Hey guys, saw Opeth last night in Munich, Germany. The show was FRIGGIN sweet. They were playing with Burst, who are also really cool.
Opeth played:

Ghost of Perdition
When
Closure
Bleak
White Cluster
The Grand Conjuration
Under The Weeping Moon (From orchid, thats crazy)
Baying of the Hounds
A Fair Judgement

Encore: Deliverance

It was cool as hell hearing Under The Weeping Moon, Mikael said that they hadn't played anything from that album (Orchid) in years. He was a riot up on stage, talking about David Hasselhof and ****... Axenrot is still drumming with them right now, that was kinda disappointing, i wanted to see Lopez... but Axenrot still rules and played the songs accurate to the beat.

Axenrot was friggin horrible in Montreal! He wouldn't stop missing cymbal hits, wouldn't stop playing wrong toms... couldn't even play at the right speed... That really disapointed me!

[Dummer'n'Drummer]

AND HE LOOKS LIKE A WOMAN :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[repcak]

i just came back from the concert... it was great. Akerfeld is a typical mr. nice guy; the line up was the same as in germany; the support (burst) was a fantastic hardcore/grindcore band - i liked them.

i made some photos but 1# i forgot to charge my batteries and 2# without flash the photos are blurred/cloudy and with a flash you don't see anything :( i made only 30photos and only a few of them are good :( sorry guys....

[Deth]

It's best that those write-ups were posted here. The majority of people who would choose to read them would do so because they already like the band--so it makes sense that the posts would be most beneficial in this thread.

Hopefully this will inspire others to contribute. So if you have any ideas just post them, don't be afraid to be wrong on an internet forum.

As for Blackwater Park, I don't see it so much as a condemnation of society but rather a realization of the irrevocably flawed condition of human nature--a condition that will eventually result in the described desolate future. The lyric is made infinitely more tragic by the acknowledgement that such facisinations with death and evil are everlastingly entrenched in our being--in the sense that their permanent existence guarentees a grim future.

Morever, most Opeth lyrics result from an elevated interest with death, evil, and the occult. For Mikael to condemn such interests would be hypocritical. If anything, he's simply realizing their inevitable presence in this song.

Having said that, I do think Bwp is exaggerated and overly dramatic.
Why, just because of lack of subtley or what?

[Txus]

Does anyone know what Blackrose immortal was about?
IMO the song looks like it's describing an invocation of satan as a final resort to a problem (loneliness, depression, whatever it is). The opening two lines show that it is a cry for help to someone. "I wear a naked soul" - saying his soul is exposed and vulnerable. "Eyes attached" through "but still so precious" talk about his communication with satan, saying that he speaks to satan in thoughts, even though satan is inaccessible, hidden in a "secret orchard." From "Lullaby of the crescent moon" to "divine herd" talks about how he was finally converted by the soothing nature (lullaby) of the night, and gave his soul up to satan. But he hides it, remains among the "divine herd," keeps his "golden symbol" hidden until the day comes that he can join satan (black rose immortal?).

[Mr. Ron]

IMO the song looks like it's describing an invocation of satan as a final resort to a problem (loneliness, depression, whatever it is). The opening two lines show that it is a cry for help to someone. "I wear a naked soul" - saying his soul is exposed and vulnerable. "Eyes attached" through "but still so precious" talk about his communication with satan, saying that he speaks to satan in thoughts, even though satan is inaccessible, hidden in a "secret orchard." From "Lullaby of the crescent moon" to "divine herd" talks about how he was finally converted by the soothing nature (lullaby) of the night, and gave his soul up to satan. But he hides it, remains among the "divine herd," keeps his "golden symbol" hidden until the day comes that he can join satan (black rose immortal?).
Hmmm...idk, I don't think Opeth sings about Satan...I chould be wrong.

[Quickdrop]

there stuff is rather dark and erie, but i dont really see them as being satanic though either.

[Txus]

Hmmm...idk, I don't think Opeth sings about Satan...I chould be wrong.
Yeah I know, I was just bored and i wrote the first thing that came through my mind while reading the lyrics....sorry.... :upset:

[Mr. Ron]

I'd say they sing more about folk/pagan things.

[Txus]

Opeth - The Leper Affinity

We entered Winter once again
Naked, freezing from my breath
Neath the lid all limbs tucked away
This coffin is your abode from now
and onwards
Your body is mine to avail
Such a tragic sight you are
Slave under my creed
Spurring me with those tears
I am beyond death
Midst a dreaming affinity
Saving strength now, faint whispers
Come erotic communion in its splendour
Fever mirrored ghosts
Night time consolation, cross the line
Draw murder into art
Sleep inside through days
In the wake of this relief
Shivering, longing for more
Insanity at it's peak
Love me to my death
Lost are days of Spring
You sighted and let me in
Keep the beast inside
Shackled within my hide
Screaming out too late
Losing to my hate
Grew together with your skin
And paced the trails of sin
Your gaze covered with virgin snow
Rigid features
It's the shallow deeds who is to blame
Deafening shrieks pierced the night
A step from oblivion
Moving into the dim lights
Hiding within a reverie
It was worth it for the wait alone

My Interpretation:

This, to me, is nature or the earth itself speaking. The "breath" of the land is the wind, freezing the ground and all below it. The earth now avails, or uses, the body to its own advantage. The soil itself is nurtured by the corpse, and the decomposition causes the body to return to nature - dust to dust, you know? These lines seem to fit that: "Grew together with your skin, and paced the trails of sin. Your gaze covered with virgin snow; rigid features."

All that suggests somebody dead and buried under the cold winter earth. Yeah, I can see it being a metaphor for human failings - it could even be an analogy for a controlling or smothering relationship, in a sick sort of way. But in a literal sense, I believe it's about death and the eternity of burial.

Sorry for the BRI bullshit.....this is the last one for me today guys. :wave:

[FLeaz]

I've heard of Opeth for months, but I just really sit down and listen to their song last night...
I am not a fan of death metal, but they are just...different...I don't know, but they are amazing!

[pyroseraphin]

Serenity Painted Death can be shut off suddenly in the edge. Does this the album of elses happen anyone?

[Deth]

It's on all the albums.

I think the reason is just to add to the effect that the main character was suddenly snatched and taken to the gallows.

[Dummer'n'Drummer]

I've heard of Opeth for months, but I just really sit down and listen to their song last night...
I am not a fan of death metal, but they are just...different...I don't know, but they are amazing!

Progressive Death Metal my friend.... MUCH better than death....

[Jude]

I wish someone would do a song-by-song breakdown of MAYH, whose concept and story are a lot less clear than those of Still Life (which I just got today, I had to order it from Amazon, but I paid a lot less for it than I would have in a store....and it has some sweet album art!).

The early, Orchid and Morningrise songs would be cool to analyze too.

So who else is wondering about all the gay jokes Mike keeps making at shows? What if GR is a concept album about butt sex and other gay things? :eek:

[repcak]

i just uploaded the Opeth photos from todays concert...

go to www.repcak.tk (http://www.repcak.tk) -> Bilder -> Opeth - Ghost Reveries Konzertfotos

hope you will like them :D

edit: have some problems with the gallery... will fix it immediatly
edit#2: fixed it

[Darkness]

i just uploaded the Opeth photos from todays concert...

go to www.repcak.tk (http://www.repcak.tk) -> Bilder -> Opeth - Ghost Reveries Konzertfotos

hope you will like them :D

edit: have some problems with the gallery... will fix it immediatly
edit#2: fixed it
Nice man, thanks for those!

[Crysiss]

is there any opeth songs with wanker solos? say like nevermore? Sorry if i offended anyone. Jeff is great at guitar, but i think he does too much in songs imo

[Darkness]

is there any opeth songs with wanker solos? say like nevermore? Sorry if i offended anyone. Jeff is great at guitar, but i think he does too much in songs imo
Jeff is not a wanker. :angry:


And no, Opeth doesn't have any wank solos, because they don't know how/can't wank.

[Sebek]

I'm in the process of listening to Blackwater Park, Deliverance and My Arms, Your Hearse right now; back to back. I like them more than I had previously thought, good stuff.

[Mr. Ron]

I hope they do another "soft" album again like damnation. I really like their more mellow stuff.

[Werny]

i just uploaded the Opeth photos from todays concert...

go to www.repcak.tk (http://www.repcak.tk) -> Bilder -> Opeth - Ghost Reveries Konzertfotos

hope you will like them :D

edit: have some problems with the gallery... will fix it immediatly
edit#2: fixed it

Uber. Mikael looks like such a jolly old guy without his beard.

I can't decide whether to go see Opeth or Cryptopsy! They're apparently coming here in the same month and I can only go see one. GRRR.

[Mr. Ron]

i just uploaded the Opeth photos from todays concert...

go to www.repcak.tk (http://www.repcak.tk) -> Bilder -> Opeth - Ghost Reveries Konzertfotos

hope you will like them :D

edit: have some problems with the gallery... will fix it immediatly
edit#2: fixed it
The link doesn't work for me.

[Killtacular]

I can't decide whether to go see Opeth or Cryptopsy! They're apparently coming here in the same month and I can only go see one. GRRR.
That's not even a decision. Cmon, now.

[Darkness]

I hope they do another "soft" album again like damnation. I really like their more mellow stuff.
They won't, Mikeal said he wanted to keep Damnation special.

[ATC]

I wish someone would do a song-by-song breakdown of MAYH, whose concept and story are a lot less clear than those of Still Life

I just did this but MX decided to tell me I followed an invalid link. wtf?
I'll have it up in fifteen.

Here's my interpretation of MAYH.

Prologue - It is a funeral scene on a cold rainy spring day. The narrator's love is among the mourners and she is distraught, clinging to old memories. The narrator can only admire her beauty, having death all around him and around his neck. Death is his 'albatross' (Samuel Coleridge's Rime of the Ancient Mariner).

April Ethereal - It is the time immediately after the funeral, sometime in April which has become unworldly to them both. The girl sees the narrator everywhere she looks, even in his mirror and remembers him all the time.
The ghost cannot physically touch her and must move on to the world of the dead to outrun the scythe, which is in his case, his inability to be with his love. The girl asks him to take her away in her feverish grieving state.

When - The narrator goes on to the land of the dead, which is full of others like him who have no sympathy for his lost love. It is a cold dead place. Though his love still says his name, time has passed and she is no longer deeply grieving. She probably promised him undying love, but he sees that death has taken its toll on her love. He wonders when he can ever be with her.

Madrigal - The narrator is waiting for her to die as well, to keep her word and kill herself. He is frustrated by his corporeal nature and even thinks she might be evil for living on. He knows that she still idolizes him and his memory. He is forced to watch her retreat unto herself and into the Amen Corner

The Amen Corner - It is now autumn. The lover retreats into her shell and turns to prayer and religion for consolation now that he is gone. He despises religion and believes she has no right to false consolation and that only his return will change things and show her that he is not truly gone. But his return will not be easy. Her night (evil, death, Satan etc) are his day and the only things he now knows for he is the Demon of the fall.

Demon Of The Fall- He returns physically to redeem his love. She carries a dagger to either keep suitors at bay or to kill herself like planned. But she could not see through to him on arrival, showing him that it was not pure love. She only sees him for a terrified moment and flees, leaving her perfume lingering in the air. He loses all faith in her.

Credence - She begins to think she is delusional, having seen him once again in his new form. Her cold words spoken to herself to convince herself that it was all a vision show him the reality of the situation and death's victory over him. He no longer feels the passion burn within him. He now knows that as a ghost, he has no chance of reclaiming her. He attributes it to his past wicked karma.

Karma - He leaves the home where he no longer feels he belongs and goes to the forest where he becomes a shade of the forest, having nothing to gain or lose there unlike in her house where he did. He accepts his fate.

Epilogue - He figures out the meaning of 'death'. He understands that death is his only reality and his only redemption is the fond memories of the living. He begins to appreciate what it was that he had in life and the beauty of what he had without being nostalgic. He is no longer weighed down by his 'albatross'


The covers can be incorporated into the story and help understand it better. The karma spoken about in the album is probably due to his being a brave strong warrior, possibly a tyrant himself that fell unnoticed (Celtic Frost - Circle of tyrants) and his return from hell/fire, the lies he must tell himself and his loneliness despite his awesome power explored in Iron Maiden's Remember tomorrow.


There, that's it. Hope it helped.

[Werny]

That's not even a decision. Cmon, now.

Oh but it is. I'll probably end up seeing Opeth, seeing as Cryptopsy don't have a major label backing them so will probably be in an over 18 venue. Opeth just don't have the energy that Cryptopsy has. Ah well, Opeth will own anyways. Just gotta get someway to get there and back (I couldn't go see Electric Wizard because I didn't have a place to stay... grr).

[Det_Nosnip]

I'd say they sing more about folk/pagan things.

Huh? :confused:

[TojesDolan]

I've been reading the lyrics of "ghost reveries" and I see it kinda repeats key elements here and there (the hounds and the baying, plus beneath the mire, and those kind of connections)...

I may give this stuff a try... Yeah. I'll try.

So who else is wondering about all the gay jokes Mike keeps making at shows? What if GR is a concept album about butt sex and other gay things? :eek:

hehe. Unlikely. Unless Satan is into teh butt plugs.

[Crysiss]

Jeff is not a wanker. :angry:

And no, Opeth doesn't have any wank solos, because they don't know how/can't wank.

Ouch. I just cant see opeth having sweep picked diminished arpeggios.

Anyways, How bout them tabsites going down .

Also, I heard theres like a special edition of ghost reveries. true?

[Det_Nosnip]

hehe. Unlikely. Unless Satan is into teh butt plugs.

Oh, totally. Satan is all about the un-Christian-like things like staying up late, listening to rock music, and sodomizing goats.

[TojesDolan]

Oh, totally. Satan is all about the un-Christian-like things like staying up late, listening to rock music, and sodomizing goats.
I don't know. Sodomizing animals is so KFC.

[Shlakalam3]

Axenrot was friggin horrible in Montreal! He wouldn't stop missing cymbal hits, wouldn't stop playing wrong toms... couldn't even play at the right speed... That really disapointed me!

Well yeah, of course he screwed up a few times, he came on to fills some quick but he always caught himself. I still give him mad props though, Lopez's spot is hard to fill and hes got that natural latin beat in him.

[repcak]

The link doesn't work for me.

hm, i'm not sure, but i think you have to allow pop-ups to enter the website ...

[Quickdrop]

Searching the darkness
And emptiness
I'm hiding away from the sun...

[xNerox]

everyone should go vote for mikael in the r&m vocalists thread :naughty:.

unfortunately i've only seen opeth live once.... and it was with the sounds of the underground, so they only had a 30 minute set. i had an they came by through here on a headliner recently, but alas, i was unable to go.

should be getting lamentations for xmas...

[Flynn]

I've seen them live once and it was definately the best concert I've ever been to. It was Devildriver, Moonspell and Opeth.

[Det_Nosnip]

Ugh. Devildriver annoyed the crap out of me at SOTU. God, I hate circle pits...

[ok lateralus]

Is it just me or is the ending of In Mist She Was Standing one of the most BEAUTIFUL pieces of music ever created?? It may sound ridiculous but Id say its up there with Bach and all the other classics. You have to recognize and appreciate how genius that song and especially the ending is. Amazing.

[Toaster]

Is it just me or is the ending of In Mist She Was Standing one of the most BEAUTIFUL pieces of music ever created?? It may sound ridiculous but Id say its up there with Bach and all the other classics. You have to recognize and appreciate how genius that song and especially the ending is. Amazing.

I think the best ending to any Opeth song is the end of Master's Apprentices. The chord progression isn't cliche in the least, it's just so beautiful it makes me want to cry. To me, In The Mist She Was Standing isn't nearly as moving. It just seems kind of overdone and simple.

[ok lateralus]

I think the best ending to any Opeth song is the end of Master's Apprentices. The chord progression isn't cliche in the least, it's just so beautiful it makes me want to cry. To me, In The Mist She Was Standing isn't nearly as moving. It just seems kind of overdone and simple.
Yeah, I love that ending too. But IMSWS is just unbeatable IMO.

[Ve Das]

o-|-< Opeth fanboy + |TRAIN|_|TOOPETH|_|CONCERT|=; *chuggachugachugga*
=> happiness

o-|-< + concert area [______________] = Yay!

{gastank} + :-#| sadistic psychopath = fun

;-#) {gas}____:-[__o-|-<_____] = better world

[Mr. Ron]

o-|-< Opeth fanboy + |TRAIN|_|TOOPETH|_|CONCERT|=; *chuggachugachugga*
=> happiness

o-|-< + concert area [______________] = Yay!

{gastank} + :-#| sadistic psychopath = fun

;-#) {gas}____:-[__o-|-<_____] = better world
Don't be a fag.

[Ve Das]

I´m just having fun ;-D

[ok lateralus]

What?

[Ve Das]

^YES! :lol:

NP:Opeth-My Arms Your Hearse

[ok lateralus]

alright

[Ve Das]

Did I just redifine fun to "{gas} + :-#|"?

[Flynn]

Opeth need videos, and some cliche' videos either, something epic, inspiring to whichever song they plan to make one out of. I'd like to see a video to The Moor. That would be badass!

[Mr. Ron]

Opeth need videos, and some cliche' videos either, something epic, inspiring to whichever song they plan to make one out of. I'd like to see a video to The Moor. That would kick-arse!
No they don't.

[Flynn]

Don't deny it...you know you would like to see it. :chug:

[TojesDolan]

Ve Das, I don't think being random in an Official thread will be very appreciated.

There's the pit to do that, you know.

[Mr. Ron]

Don't deny it...you know you would like to see it. :chug:
Not really, going by their last video someone will screw it up somehow.

[Ve Das]

Ve Das, I don't think being random in an Official thread will be very appreciated.

There's the pit to do that, you know.

>-|-_:smash:

I have never needed to go into the pit.The pit´s lame.

So,tell me,what´s your take on the best singer poll concerning Mr. Akerfeldt?

[Mr. Ron]

>-|-_:smash:

I have never needed to go into the pit.The pit´s lame.

So,tell me,what´s your take on the best singer poll concerning Mr. Akerfeldt?
I think he deserves it. He has a lot of range.

[Ve Das]

Range isn´t everything,you know.I´d say technique also plays an important role...

[Flynn]

Not really, going by their last video someone will screw it up somehow.


That's different. That video had nothing to do with Opeth, I'm sure of it. Opeth are so talented and deep, they could make a revolutionary video to any one of their songs.

[Neurotoxin]

Question: why do keep bolding the O on Opeth?

[heavy metal kid]

That's different. That video had nothing to do with Opeth, I'm sure of it. Opeth are so talented and deep, they could make a revolutionary video to any one of their songs.

I would love to see a good Opeth video.
A video for Black Rose Immortal could be good if it's done by the right people, but isn't Opeth all about the music?.

I don't think Akerfeldt deserves to win the singer competition, as an Opeth member he's perfect but as a single singer, he isn't the best.

[TojesDolan]

Because we don't have ye olde English font to make the super cool O opeth has in it's name. :)

On a related note, I think Carrot top should win the best singer.

[Mr. Ron]

Range isn´t everything,you know.I´d say technique also plays an important role...
I agree. He has that down too. I'm not saying he's the best, but he's damn good.

[Darkness]

I agree. He has that down too. I'm not saying he's the best, but he's damn good.
I'd say he's in about at least the top 5. Maybe even 3.

[Mr. Ron]

I'd say he's in about at least the top 5. Maybe even 3.
Of all time?

[Darkness]

Of all time?
In metal, yeah.

[Flynn]

I would love to see a good Opeth video.
A video for Black Rose Immortal could be good if it's done by the right people, but isn't Opeth all about the music?.

I don't think Akerfeldt deserves to win the singer competition, as an Opeth member he's perfect but as a single singer, he isn't the best.


Yeah, I agree in some ways. Black Rose Immortal should not have a video. It would ruin my vision of the song that I have had in my head for years. When it comes to videos, I'd think a song from Ghost Reveries would be well suited...preferably Ghost Of Perdition.


Question: why do keep bolding the O on Opeth?

Because I like it.


I'd say he's in about at least the top 5. Maybe even 3.


My thoughts exactly. :chug:

[Mr. Ron]

In metal, yeah.
I'd say he's 5.

[Darkness]

I'd say he's 5.
Who would you put before him? Just curious.

[Mr. Ron]

Who would you put before him? Just curious.
John Haughm.

[Darkness]

John Haughm.
That's one, not 4.

[Mr. Ron]

That's one, not 4.
I'd put Steven Wilson before him.

[bucket]

Is it just me or is the ending of In Mist She Was Standing one of the most BEAUTIFUL pieces of music ever created??

I love it! Among my favorite parts to an Opeth song.

It's partially one of the reasons why Orchid snuck up to #2 on my list for a while. And because of Silhouette, and The Twilight is my Robes, and The Apostle in Triumph.

Where's the Orchid loving :(

Reveries smeveries hey guess what nobody cares!

[Darkness]

I'd put Steven Wilson before him.
I certainly wouldn't. Steve's pretty good, but I like Akerfeldt a LOT more. I find Steve's tone gets a little annoying/bland at times. He's better as a producer. :thumb:

[Mr. Ron]

I certainly wouldn't. Steve's pretty good, but I like Akerfeldt a LOT more. I find Steve's tone gets a little annoying/bland at times. He's better as a producer. :thumb:
Say whhhaaaat? Wilson's melodic singing is way above Akerfeldt's.

[Flynn]

Where's the Orchid loving :(




You're okay in my book. :thumb: I won't rant on Orchid, I'll just drink to that! :chug: :chug:













''Through the eternal flame I travel, as the rain keeps falling...''

[Mr. Ron]

Orchid is my favorite Opeth record.

[Flynn]

Orchid is my favorite Opeth record.


I respect you so much. Ever since this thread was started, you've always kept it real. Orchid is indeed one of my favorite albums ever recorded in any genre.

[Mr. Ron]

I respect you so much. Ever since this thread was started, you've always kept it real. Orchid is indeed one of my favorite albums ever recorded in any genre.
Thank you.

My favorite song is on Orchid too, The Forest of October.

[Flynn]

Thank you.

My favorite song is on Orchid too, The Forest of October.


God I love that song, seriously...the mood on Orchid cannot be topped. IDGAF. I can't decide which I like most, Orchid or Morningrise. As soon as I come to a conclusion, I always question myself a few weeks later :lol: I can't decide! I guess it all depends on what season it is, and what my brain pattern decides at that particular moment.



N.P. Under The Weeping Moon.

[heavy metal kid]

Maybe this is old news, but in sputnik.com( MX'S cd review site), Opeth isn't in the metal section anymore, they are now under the rock section.

That is weird.

[Flynn]

Maybe this is old news, but in sputnik.com( MX'S cd review site), Opeth isn't in the metal section anymore, they are now under the rock section.

That is weird.


That makes me wanna go jump off a building head first into a thumb tac.

[Quickdrop]

Roadrunner has a bunch of top 10 lists from TV/Radio hosts, and other bands and what not. Ghost Reveries is in atleast half of them...good stuff

[Darkness]

Maybe this is old news, but in sputnik.com( MX'S cd review site), Opeth isn't in the metal section anymore, they are now under the rock section.

That is weird.
Ghost Reveries was basically a prog rock album with a few death metal vocal lines... :p

[repcak]

Ghost Reveries was basically a prog rock album with a few death metal vocal lines... :p

:rolleyes: :confused:

:angry:

[bucket]

Ghost Reveries was basically a prog rock album with a few death metal vocal lines... :p

No, it was pretty much the standard almost-impossible-to-classify Opeth album.

I'd definetly not call any album prog rock except Damnation. If you can only put them in one reasonable genre, I would make them Metal or Progressive Metal.

[Darkness]

:lol: I call them progressive metal to, it's just that Ghost Reveries was really soft compared to the others. Still metal, but just not as heavy as the other albums.

[Toaster]

The main thing is that Opeth is more progressive than death metal. I do agree with this, and since there's no "prog metal" genre on Sputnik, Opeth go under "Progressive".

I'd say GR was as heavy as their other releases, but there was more clean singing.. so I guess an argument could be made for both sides.

[Mr. Ron]

I would just say Opeth is melodic deathmetal.

[Darkness]

I'd say GR was as heavy as their other releases
.... :confused:


Really? As heavy as Deliverance? My Arms, Your Hearse? Blackwater Park?

[Toaster]

Without a doubt. Sure, there are more soft songs, but the album has such a dark feeling around it that the heavy parts seem so much heavier.

[Darkness]

I think we've had this discussion, and we established that a dark atmosphere doesn't add to heaviness. And albums like Deliverance and MAYH or even Still Life are waaaaaaay darker then GR.

[Toaster]

I don't know what to tell you. I think it's as heavy as all of Opeth's other releases. I think atmosphere does add to heaviness, just for the record. Otherwise, a lot of Nine Inch Nails could be considered very "light" (for lack of a better word).

[Darkness]

I don't know what to tell you. I think it's as heavy as all of Opeth's other releases. I think atmosphere does add to heaviness, just for the record. Otherwise, a lot of Nine Inch Nails could be considered very "light" (for lack of a better word).
It just seems the guitars don't have that heavy crunch they once did, they sound very soft and lightly distorted. And the drumming doesn't seem as aggressive.

[Moses]

I think he deserves it. He has a lot of range.
His range is like 2 octaves, almost average. The only thing I really like about his voice is his death growl, otherwise not really that talented voice wise.

Don't get me wrong I love Opeth and I think Mikael has a good emotional quality to his clean voice but I don't think it's praiseworthy.

[Darkness]

His range is like 2 octaves, almost average.
Then you have that god like growl. Which is what I put more emphesis on.

[Moses]

His range is like 2 octaves, almost average. The only thing I really like about his voice is his death growl, otherwise not really that talented voice wise.

Don't get me wrong I love Opeth and I think Mikael has a good emotional quality to his clean voice but I don't think it's praiseworthy.
Quoted for the goddamn page turn.

[Darkness]

Moses... its happening again.. you killed the thread.. :p

[Knifeboy]

I think Mikael has an excellent range. .. . . Of voices, it seems to me that he has the abillity to sound very different for different songs.. Mostly heard on Ghost Reveries where he changed his singing voice around on a couple of songs

[Flynn]

His voice has insane range, I can only say that about him. He's very talented and it will be a long time before anyone poses a threat on him.



300 pages woo!

[pyroseraphin]

I think of that it is the singer whose Mikael is very good. Does Opeth why obtain such many comparisons in the wood of the porcupine? I those presume that it is both progressive. As for me you were disappointed with Absentia with ". "

[rhcp pman]

I think of that it is the singer whose Mikael is very good. Does Opeth why obtain such many comparisons in the wood of the porcupine? I those presume that it is both progressive. As for me you were disappointed with Absentia with ". "
The two are often compared because Steven Wilson of PT produced, co-wrote and co-performed some Opeth music. His voice is a bit similar to Akerfeldt's as well. Not that many people notice that Bleak is a duet between the two.

[Killtacular]

Not that many people notice that Bleak is a duet between the two.
I didn't know until I read it somewhere.
:upset:

[UpperDecker]

I read somewhere that Master's Apprentices was a ripoff of another song. Someone said the ripoff was from Morbid Angel's God of Emptiness but i dont know. Does anyone know?

[Kage]

Every song you've ever heard is a rip off of the first song ever written.

[ok lateralus]

God I love that song, seriously...the mood on Orchid cannot be topped. IDGAF. I can't decide which I like most, Orchid or Morningrise. As soon as I come to a conclusion, I always question myself a few weeks later :lol: I can't decide! I guess it all depends on what season it is, and what my brain pattern decides at that particular moment.



N.P. Under The Weeping Moon.

Yeah, I love Orchid as well... it has something their newest ones just don't have... It's an amazing album with an amazing atmosphere, though I do prefer Morningrise, Still Life, and MAYH to it. Under the Weeping Moon is great, too... my favorite part is the soft part near the end, when Mikael sings, "Burn the winter..."

[i am the robots]

I'm stuck on a tie between Morningrise, MAYH, and Still Life... all sooooo good.

[ok lateralus]

I'm stuck on a tie between Morningrise, MAYH, and Still Life... all sooooo good.
Same here. those are my top 3

[TojesDolan]

Anyhow...

Is it me or am I witnessing the birth of an Opeth Fanboyism?

Don't get me wrong, I love Opeth, I have a lot of their songs in my favorite of all time, etc. But There's a growing fanboyism just like all the other big bands out there.

Please try to be objective here. I'm being as objective as possible. On one hand, there's the subjective view of mine in the subject: I love every single song that Opeth has in its repertory. Even the ones that aren't particularly loved, especially stuff out of Ghost Reveries (Reverie/harlequin forest comes to my mind) and Damnation (such as Death whispered a lullaby)
I think they are pretty good, nonetheless some people talk about "the old days" of Opeth... I don't know. It's kind of weird.

Please correct me if wrong. Or support me somehow.

[Flynn]

Anyhow...

Is it me or am I witnessing the birth of an Opeth Fanboyism?

Don't get me wrong, I love Opeth, I have a lot of their songs in my favorite of all time, etc. But There's a growing fanboyism just like all the other big bands out there.

Please try to be objective here. I'm being as objective as possible. On one hand, there's the subjective view of mine in the subject: I love every single song that Opeth has in its repertory. Even the ones that aren't particularly loved, especially stuff out of Ghost Reveries (Reverie/harlequin forest comes to my mind) and Damnation (such as Death whispered a lullaby)
I think they are pretty good, nonetheless some people talk about "the old days" of Opeth... I don't know. It's kind of weird.

Please correct me if wrong. Or support me somehow.


I know what you mean...I think it's cool they're getting to be noticed. It just goes to show there are a lot of people out there with good taste. I'm happy with Opeth as long as their next studio album doesn't sound like Ghost Reveries.

[Mr. Ron]

Some really cool video interviews with Akerfeldt.

http://www.faceculture.nl/opeth/index.htm

[Jude]

I think both Morningrise and Blackwater Park have now gone up a few notches and are tied with Still Life for my favorite Opeth album.

What do you mean by Opeth fanboyism? Every band has fanboys.

[magicbus]

I'm stuck on a tie between Morningrise, MAYH, and Still Life... all sooooo good.

No love for Orchid :upset:

I went back and listened to some newer albums, and I do see what you were talking about with the difference in growling. The growls on Blackwater Park are very deep, and very cool.

[i am the robots]

I think the vocals on Ghost Reveries are the best though, the music on the otherhand isn't their best work, you know?

[Toaster]

His range is like 2 octaves, almost average. The only thing I really like about his voice is his death growl, otherwise not really that talented voice wise.

Don't get me wrong I love Opeth and I think Mikael has a good emotional quality to his clean voice but I don't think it's praiseworthy.

Not praiseworthy?? Seriously? Especially with the new album, I think he's got amazing pitch control. Granted, he wasn't too strong before BWP, but recently he's developed one of my favourite singing voices ever. Range doesn't do much for me.. Opeth wouldn't benefit from a high falsetto.

Just listen to Hours of Wealth or Isolation Years.. his voice is at its best.

[BlindWriting]

Some really cool video interviews with Akerfeldt.

http://www.faceculture.nl/opeth/index.htm
I had just finished watching those, and I was gonna come on here and post the link.

Beaten! :p

They're really interesting clips.

[Mr. Ron]

I had just finished watching those, and I was gonna come on here and post the link.

Beaten! :p

They're really interesting clips.
Yeah. I was surprised that he thought MAYH was **** when he first made it.

[Moses]

Not praiseworthy?? Seriously? Especially with the new album, I think he's got amazing pitch control. Granted, he wasn't too strong before BWP, but recently he's developed one of my favourite singing voices ever. Range doesn't do much for me.. Opeth wouldn't benefit from a high falsetto.

Just listen to Hours of Wealth or Isolation Years.. his voice is at its best.
His voice is only that perfectly on pitch because they have awesome production.

A high falsetto isn't very hard to do and now that you mention it I think they could even benefit from it if used tastefully. Like at the end of this one Dredg song, I believe it's CWA's self-titled song, the soft falsetto is awesome. I think Opeth would sound good with a little bit of that.

[Knifeboy]

His voice is only that perfectly on pitch because they have awesome production.

Have you seen Lamentations?

And I doubt Mikael can't sing well in falsetto.. He most likely doesn't feel it fits the music

[i am the robots]

If you listen to Damnation Moses you'd realize what an idiot you look like right now.

[Knifeboy]

No need for getting rude.. And I'd be suprised if moses haven't heard damnation

[Shadius]

His voice is only that perfectly on pitch because they have awesome production.

A high falsetto isn't very hard to do and now that you mention it I think they could even benefit from it if used tastefully. Like at the end of this one Dredg song, I believe it's CWA's self-titled song, the soft falsetto is awesome. I think Opeth would sound good with a little bit of that.

They don't sound bad for a lack of it, though. They sound great without it. Anyway, isolation years has some smooth falsetto in it. I rekon his range is surely more than 2 octaves. The falsetto from that song compared to his lowest growl? I've even heard him sing pretty low notes before.

Singing to me is pretty much all about the emotional quality. Music being about emotion and all; Mikael singing passionately within an octave would probably do more for me than a huge multi-octave sweeping melody from an Opera singer, which I would get little or no emotional feeling from.

Anyway, Mikael can sing very well live too, while playing guitar, which I find pretty impressive, especially given some Opeth guitar parts.

[BlindWriting]

Yeah. I was surprised that he thought MAYH was **** when he first made it.
Yeah, and who would have known that the writing/recording sessions for Deliverance/Damnation were so stressful.

[i am the robots]

No need for getting rude.. And I'd be suprised if moses haven't heard damnation

It wasn't that rude, and it's true too.

Also, Moses, it's definately not production that makes his voice sound good: Death Whispered a Lullaby (live) (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1574976161772759490&q=opeth)

ooh, while searching, I came upon this again: Some highschool band covering Master's Apprentices (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4153372561067572007&q=opeth)

[Jude]

Interviews won't load for me....OK now it did and then it just stopped for no reason. Great.

[Mr. Ron]

Interviews won't load for me....OK now it did and then it just stopped for no reason. Great.
Use regular internet explorer. No firefox or AOL.

[i am the robots]

I refuse, I hate IE.

[Jude]

Use regular internet explorer. No firefox or AOL.
I have AOL, that explains it.

[i am the robots]

God dude, cancel AOL and go with mfire or something, seriously, nearly every 56k provider is cheaper and better than AOL. Or upgrade to DSL or Cable...