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Oh, one more thing...don't ever say that word in this thread again when it deals with Opeth, unless it has something to do with the concept of Ghost Reveries. :cool:
Look, I know you're kidding, but in my opinion, the Ghost Reveries bashing from you is getting really old. You've stated your opinion many times and have made it abundantly clear that you're not the biggest fan of it, but it's rather irksome to see you making these dumb potshots at it in nearly every post. I get it. So can you stop, please, unless it's in the name of constructive conversation?
And to more recent topics, the big Damnation track that I despise would have to be "Death Whispered a Lullaby." The chorus is just so silly-sounding with its dissonances, I really dislike it. I've grown to love nearly every other song on it, though. Truth be told, "Weakness" is one of my favorite tracks, just because it's so sparse. Plus the vocal melodies in the bridge section are wonderfully eerie.
I'm the only one that likes Death Whispered a Lullaby? Woah, I always thought it was a pretty likable song.
Cardboard Headgear
10-27-2005, 02:38 AM
I'm the only one that likes Death Whispered a Lullaby? Woah, I always thought it was a pretty likable song.
Yeah same here, especially the later verses when theres the vocal harmonies and that delicious drum beat (something about it that I love).
shamed-angel
10-27-2005, 03:55 AM
To Rid The Disease is my favorite on that album. Vocal harmonies in chorus = :eek:
Oh sweet Jesus that song is beautiful. I really love that album, because in ways you'd never notice, it has Opeth stamped all over it. I mean, although it's not the type of music they usually play, it's instantly identifiable as them.
My favourite song on there is To Rid The Disease.
"There's innocence torn from it's maker, and stillborn the trust in you.
This failure has made the creator. So would you tell him what to do?" :amaze:
Does anyone reckon this is the same creator from In Absentia's "The Creator has a Mastertape"? :rolleyes:
I'm the only one that likes Death Whispered a Lullaby? Woah, I always thought it was a pretty likable song.
Didn't Steven Wilson write that song? It's one of my favourite songs on the album, the intro riff is classic. I love the octave chords before the chorus...
I'm listening to 'To Rid the Disease right now'.
Oh and bump.
SW wrote Death Whispered a Lullaby. That song is amazing.
On Damnation...
Death Whispered a Lullaby = To Rid the Disease > Windowpane = Closure > Hope Leaves = IMTON = Ending Credits > Weakness
Tough.
To Rid The Disease > Hope Leaves > Closure > Windowpane > In My Time Of Need > Death Whispered A Lullaby > Ending Credits > Weakness
Cardboard Headgear
10-27-2005, 12:16 PM
SW wrote Death Whispered a Lullaby.
Only the lyrics.
What were the lyrics called in Lamentations? Eevill something or other :lol:.
i am the robots
10-27-2005, 12:18 PM
To Rid the Disease > Death Whispered a Lullaby > In My Time of Need > Hope Leaves > Windowpane > Closure > Ending Credits > Weakness.
relliK
10-27-2005, 01:15 PM
Death Whispered a Lullaby is my least favorite song off Damnation.
Toaster
10-27-2005, 02:07 PM
Oh sweet Jesus that song is beautiful. I really love that album, because in ways you'd never notice, it has Opeth stamped all over it. I mean, although it's not the type of music they usually play, it's instantly identifiable as them.
I don't see whats so awesome about it. The harmonies aren't that remarkable, and the totally supersaturated use of the Mellotron is annoying IMO. One of Opeth's worst..it's far too simplistic and cliche for me.
Det_Nosnip
10-27-2005, 02:19 PM
Hmm...for Dam nation...that would be tough, as I absolutely adore the entire album. Flawless record, IMO.
None of that > bullcrap from me. ;)
Closure
Windowpane
In My Time of Need
To Rid the Disease
Death Whispered a Lullaby
Hope Leaves
Ending Credits
Weakness
Det_Nosnip
10-27-2005, 02:20 PM
=
Cheater. :upset:
Crysiss
10-27-2005, 02:22 PM
He was, and I believe he's touring right now with PT. I wonder how much better he would have made GR... The other guy (name slipped my mind..) did a great job, but Steve also contributed to keyboard, guitar, and vocal parts, which ended up being a huge part on the past 3 albums.
I was sort of thinking he didnt work with opeth on this one, because they are now signed to roadrunner. IMO
What were the lyrics called in Lamentations? Eevill something or other :lol:.
Eeviel Cruellty or something like that
Hmm...for Dam nation...that would be tough, as I absolutely adore the entire album. Flawless record, IMO.
None of that > bullcrap from me. ;)
Closure
Windowpane
In My Time of Need
To Rid the Disease
Death Whispered a Lullaby
Hope Leaves
Ending Credits
Weakness
Out of curiousity, which tracks do you think have the best drumming?
You're my go-to guy for drums from now on.
EDIT: Yeah, it was Eeviel Cruelty :lol:
BurningSky
10-27-2005, 02:32 PM
Death Whispered an Lullabye is my favorite off of Damnation as well...
My favorite part about To Rid the Disease is most definitely the bass. Mendez really grooves on this entire album, his best work with Opeth IMO...
I've never heard any Opeth, but am curious. Anyone care to upload any for an Opeth virgin?
Let me see if I can get a few tracks up.
E-mail or AIM?
E-mail - Rik_coe@hotmail.co.uk
BurningSky
10-27-2005, 03:17 PM
I've never heard any Opeth, but am curious. Anyone care to upload any for an Opeth virgin?
My AIM is Unknown1400, I have most of their albums on my computer. Give me a shout and I'll send a few tracks...
I'm uploading Godhead's Lament for you, don't know how long it'll take.
SENT.
My AIM is Unknown1400, I have most of their albums on my computer. Give me a shout and I'll send a few tracks...
Cheers, but I don't have AIM.
I'm uploading Godhead's Lament for you, don't know how long it'll take.
SENT.
Cheers man, downloading now...
ok lateralus
10-27-2005, 04:14 PM
Cheers man, downloading now...
Tell us what you think. It's a great song, one of their best.
Spinal Pap
10-27-2005, 04:20 PM
I'm uploading Godhead's Lament for you, don't know how long it'll take.
SENT.
Is it possible that you could send that to me to?
UTVol48@aol.com
Thanks man
Darkness
10-27-2005, 05:11 PM
I'm uploading Godhead's Lament for you, don't know how long it'll take.
SENT.
Damn, now hes going to get a bad impression of the band.
I'm listening to 'To Rid the Disease right now'.
Oh and bump.
I saw that beast live. :D Great tune. I bet lots of people thought it was oddly out of place on SOTU... :p
Damn, now hes going to get a bad impression of the band.
WTF? You don't like Godhead?
It isn't their best, but it's still an incredible song.
And to rik...if you don't like that song, be sure to check some of their others. Songs like Face of Melinda, The Moor, and Bleak are ones that pretty much everyone thinks are the best.
Darkness
10-27-2005, 05:46 PM
WTF? You don't like Godhead?
It isn't their best, but it's still an incredible song.
And to rik...if you don't like that song, be sure to check some of their others. Songs like Face of Melinda, The Moor, and Bleak are ones that pretty much everyone thinks are the best.
Its a decent song (though widly overrated, IMO), but I'm mainly bugging Deth. :D
Its a decent song (though widly overrated, IMO), but I'm mainly bugging Deth. :D
The acoustic parts make that song, especially the 'what would they care if I was gay/did stay/made hay/whatever' part.
Darkness
10-27-2005, 05:49 PM
The acoustic parts make that song, especially the 'what would they care if I was gay/did stay/made hay/whatever' part.
Hehe... never again can I listen along to that part and not sing the variation. :p
Tell us what you think. It's a great song, one of their best.
It was ok. Didn't do much for me, i'd have to give it a few more listens before deciding.
Darkness
10-27-2005, 06:24 PM
It was ok. Didn't do much for me, i'd have to give it a few more listens before deciding.
Listen to a better song, please.
Someone get the man The Leper Affinity or The Moor. And Face Of Melinda.
Flynn
10-27-2005, 06:27 PM
Or Black Rose Immortal.
Darkness
10-27-2005, 06:31 PM
Or Black Rose Immortal.
Not a good song to start with... IMO.
You're just here to mess with me aren't you Darkness :lol:.
Spinal Pap, I'll see if I can find the link.
EDIT: Sent to Spinal Pap.
Darkness
10-27-2005, 06:38 PM
You're just here to mess with me aren't you Darkness :lol:.
Yep :thumb:
*Pats on back*
Someday I'm going to stab you in the eye. Then we will see who's laughing.
Shattered_Future
10-27-2005, 06:46 PM
Listen to a better song, please.
Someone get the man The Leper Affinity or The Moor. And Face Of Melinda.
Leper Affinity, Demon Of The Fall, Bleak, and By The Pain I See In Others are all great songs to start off on heavy Opeth with.
If you want lighter, Windowpane, Harvest, and To Bid You Farewell are all good choices.
Or Face Of Melinda for a good mix with no growling.
BassVirtuoso
10-27-2005, 06:54 PM
Oh how I hate Godhead's Lament. I love the transitions in Ghost of Perdition though.
Why doesn't anyone like Godheads Lament :(. It's my 3rd favorite Opeth track.
BassVirtuoso
10-27-2005, 06:58 PM
Because it's so, straightforward and unvaried. That's why I like songs like The Drapery falls, it gives you everything.
The Drapery Falls is on the bottom half of my list. If you ask me, that one is more predictable than Godheads Lament. Also, the riffs are repeated far too much in Drapery.
TojesDolan
10-27-2005, 07:12 PM
Because it's so, straightforward and unvaried. That's why I like songs like The Drapery falls, it gives you everything.
yeah.. eh.. sorry to interrupt but would you mind loggin on to AIM?
Let's discuss a little something. :)
Toaster
10-27-2005, 07:16 PM
The Drapery Falls is on the bottom half of my list. If you ask me, that one is more predictable than Godheads Lament. Also, the riffs are repeated far too much in Drapery.
Yeah, but every riff is just awesome. It's great if you're not in a growling mood, it's mostly clean singing.. I admit though, the best part of the whole song is the intro by far.
BassVirtuoso
10-27-2005, 07:20 PM
yeah.. eh.. sorry to interrupt but would you mind loggin on to AIM?
Let's discuss a little something. :)
I am on.
stymie
10-27-2005, 07:26 PM
I have all of Opeth's albums except Still Life. I've been trying to buy it, but I could never find it- it's always the only one that's missing in stores.
So, can someone upload it for me?- If that's not allowed, then can you upload the best tracks from it besides "The Moor"?- Thanks
E-mail- rhanroo@charter.net
Killtacular
10-27-2005, 07:51 PM
Why doesn't anyone like Godheads Lament :(. It's my 3rd favorite Opeth track.
It's because they're a bunch of dirty Canadians!! (Or Commies)
I, personally, love Godhead's Lament.
I have all of Opeth's albums except Still Life. I've been trying to buy it, but I could never find it- it's always the only one that's missing in stores.
If you have MSN, I can give it to you through that.
doom___cannon@hotmail.com (three underscores)
Toaster
10-27-2005, 07:54 PM
It's because they're a bunch of dirty Canadians!! (Or Commies)
How dare you compare us to Commies! Go home and shoot yourself in the foot because of your gun laws, then go to your hospital and pay for your own health care.
Killtacular
10-27-2005, 08:04 PM
I wasn't comparing, I was providing an alternate.
Kanadians =/= Commies
They're different. I hate Commies, I don't hate Kanadiarians.
Darkness
10-27-2005, 09:14 PM
It's because they're a bunch of dirty Canadians!! (Or Commies)
I, personally, love Godhead's Lament.
You overrate Still Life altogether. :lol:
Killtacular
10-27-2005, 09:52 PM
You overrate Still Life altogether. :lol:
Shut up you dirty Kanadian!! :mad:
Still Life owns you, and me, and everyone else here. Go listen to Bryan Adams and watch some hockey. :p
Cardboard Headgear
10-27-2005, 10:00 PM
Shut up you dirty Kanadian!! :mad:
Still Life owns you, and me, and everyone else here. Go listen to Bryan Adams and watch some hockey. :p
You forgot to tell him to ride a polar bear to work and to build an igloo.
Darkness
10-27-2005, 10:07 PM
Shut up you dirty Kanadian!! :mad:
Still Life owns you, and me, and everyone else here. Go listen to Bryan Adams and watch some hockey. :p
I actually can't stand sports, which includes hockey. :)
Killtacular
10-27-2005, 10:13 PM
You forgot to tell him to ride a polar bear to work and to build an igloo.
/smacks forehead
How could I forget that!?
I actually can't stand sports, which includes hockey.
Pish posh, you're Kanadian, you love hockey.
And maple syrup, curling, and ice fishing.
Shut up you dirty Kanadian!! :mad:
Still Life owns you, and me, and everyone else here. Go listen to Bryan Adams and watch some hockey. :p
It's Canada, you dirty Amerikan.
Still Life owns us all though.
Darkness
10-27-2005, 10:14 PM
/smacks forehead
How could I forget that!?
Pish posh, you're Kanadian, you love hockey.
And maple syrup, curling, and ice fishing.
Actually I only love maple syrup from that list, which is easily better then all American products, eh?
lost_profits
10-27-2005, 10:19 PM
Best thing to come out of canada = Into Eternity!
Godhead's lament = overated.
This so called "wonderful" chorus is actually quite uninspiring. Bleak's chorus rips it to shreds. I'm sure everyone would agree in some manner, some of Opeth's songs do meander. If you don't connect with a song straight away it will grow on you. And so it is for me with Godhead's lament. It sort of sits on the fence like Harlequin Forest, it can't decide whether it's heavy or soft or both. Meh.
Cardboard Headgear
10-27-2005, 10:21 PM
It's Canada, you dirty Amerikan.
Go back to Canadia!
Flynn
10-27-2005, 10:25 PM
Go back to Canadia!
Aren't you a Death fan?
Killtacular
10-27-2005, 10:28 PM
It's Kan-ah-DUH, you dirty Amerikan.
Yes sir!
Actually I only love maple syrup from that list, which is easily better then all American products, eh?
I've got some Pixy Stix in my hoose that own your maple syrups.
Best thing to come out of canada = Into Eternity!*
Godhead's lament** = overated.
This so called "wonderful" chorus is actually quite uninspiring. Bleak's*** chorus rips it to shreds.
*Godspeed You Black Emperor!
**Bleak
***Godhead's Lament
Fix'd
Darkness
10-27-2005, 10:35 PM
I've got some Pixy Stix in my hoose that own your maple syrups.
At least we can.. spell house!
Hells Bells
10-27-2005, 10:35 PM
I saw that beast live. :D Great tune. I bet lots of people thought it was oddly out of place on SOTU... :p
I'm sure Opeth seemed oddly out of place at SOTU, they're a good band.
A question for anyone who's seen them on this tour, do you guys remember how long the show lasted? I can't get the car tomorrow, and I've gotta figure out stuff like train times coming back home.
Flynn
10-27-2005, 10:38 PM
Best thing to come out of canada = Into Eternity!
Godhead's lament = overated.
This so called "wonderful" chorus is actually quite uninspiring. Bleak's chorus rips it to shreds. I'm sure everyone would agree in some manner, some of Opeth's songs do meander. If you don't connect with a song straight away it will grow on you. And so it is for me with Godhead's lament. It sort of sits on the fence like Harlequin Forest, it can't decide whether it's heavy or soft or both. Meh.
Bleak is one of my favorite Opeth songs ever. Great structure, but one thing is concerning me about this post. Please never ever ever ever ever compare Godheads Lament to Reverie/Harlequin Forest on this thread again. That's like comparing a turd to a sunset.
Darkness
10-27-2005, 10:40 PM
Bleak is one of my favorite Opeth songs ever. Great structure, but one thing is concerning me about this post. Please never ever ever ever ever compare Godheads Lament to Reverie/Harlequin Forest on this thread again. That's like comparing a turd to a sunset.
It's his opinion, dude. I personally don't think Godheads Lament is that much better then Harlequin either, to be honest.
Yes sir!
With that accent, I suspect you come from Burnaby and drink Foster's.
Bleak is one of my favorite Opeth songs ever. Great structure, but one thing is concerning me about this post. Please never ever ever ever ever compare Godheads Lament to Reverie/Harlequin Forest on this thread again. That's like comparing a turd to a sunset.
Congrats, you've just earned a nice neg-rep. Quit being such a troll when it comes to the subject of stuff on "Ghost Reveries." It's REALLY old by this point, and you have no right to be bossing other people around about what they can or can't do "in this thread." I'm sick of seeing this childish behavior from you: nearly every comment on the subject of GR from you is totally unneccesary and often downright inflammatory and mean-spirited, and you have long since ceased backing it up reasonably and amicably. Your problems and opinions on the matter have been duly noted. Now shut the hell up. You should know better.
Det_Nosnip
10-28-2005, 12:27 AM
Its a decent song (though widly overrated, IMO), but I'm mainly bugging Deth. :D
You're starting to bug me, too. :upset: Some of us happen to like that track very much, and your constant badgering of it is getting almost as old as Ghost Reveries bashing or Roadrunner whining.
It's all good, though. ;)
matt4
10-28-2005, 02:55 AM
Dude, maybe I'm out of place here but:
1.) Still Life owns all; my favorite Opeth album as a whole
2.) Godhead's Lament is pretty much my favorite Opeth song
3.) Closure is the best song on Damnation
4.) Harlequin Forest is Opeth's worst song (though it's still decent, as it's Opeth)
5.) Bleak is okay, but it's not as good as: The Lepper Affinity, The Drapery Falls, Dirge for November, The Funeral Portrait (which is INCREDIBLY underrated)
6.) Dirge for November is one of my favorite tracks on BWP; currently my favorite to listen to. I don't see why people don't like this one; it's pure emotion.
7. By the Pain I See in Others is my second favorite track on Deliverance, second only to the song Deliverance. And, I'm sorry guys, but By the Pain I See in Others ends on a held chord. All the backwards singing and weird crap at the end is NOT part of that song!!!
This is, of course, all my own personal oppinion. I'll end my rant now. But does ANYONE else here agree with me?
elbassio
10-28-2005, 06:59 AM
Anyone on here going to see Opeth and Burst in a month or so? Ive seen Opeth once this year already, but now I get to see Burst aswell.AND Opeth. AGAIN!!!
I want more songs of Still Life and Black Water Park this time though. And if wishes were wings, pigs would fly.
Iron Man
10-28-2005, 08:47 AM
Just saw Opeth+Nevermore last night. I had never heard Nevermore before last night, and although they put on a good show (might check out their studio stuff now) Opeth was of course my favorite part of the night.
Setlist
Baying of the Hounds
When
Bleak
In My Time of Need
The Grand Conjuration
Face of Melinda
Deliverance
Blackwater Park
Demon of the Fall
I was satisfied. Woke up today with a very sore neck and almost no voice, but it was worth it.
Hells Bells
10-28-2005, 09:09 AM
Just saw Opeth+Nevermore last night. I had never heard Nevermore before last night, and although they put on a good show (might check out their studio stuff now) Opeth was of course my favorite part of the night.
Setlist
Baying of the Hounds
When
Bleak
In My Time of Need
The Grand Conjuration
Face of Melinda
Deliverance
Blackwater Park
Demon of the Fall
I was satisfied. Woke up today with a very sore neck and almost no voice, but it was worth it.
Awesome, I'm going to see them in....11 hours!!!! :D :D :D
/does a happy dance
hehe...sore neck + no voice = me tomorrow!
By the way, what time did your show end Iron Man?
/NP When - It's been a while since I listened to MAYH, and I forgot When. I've gotten used to Opeth's abrupt switching from softer to heavier passages, but the way this goes from the mellow intro to a total ****ing assault completely caught me off guard.
Werny
10-28-2005, 09:30 AM
Just saw Opeth+Nevermore last night. I had never heard Nevermore before last night, and although they put on a good show (might check out their studio stuff now) Opeth was of course my favorite part of the night.
Setlist
Baying of the Hounds
When
Bleak
In My Time of Need
The Grand Conjuration
Face of Melinda
Deliverance
Blackwater Park
Demon of the Fall
I was satisfied. Woke up today with a very sore neck and almost no voice, but it was worth it.
Oooooh can't wait until/if they come to Australia. The Baying of the Hounds sounds like it'd go off live, and that psycho fast part (that only goes for like 10 seconds, grrr) in The Grand Conjuration.
What would be awesome, is Reverie played like halfway through, or after a particularly heavy song.
Iron Man
10-28-2005, 09:48 AM
By the way, what time did your show end Iron Man?
11:45ish
Apocalyptic Raids
10-28-2005, 10:08 AM
Oooooh can't wait until/if they come to Australia. The Baying of the Hounds sounds like it'd go off live, and that psycho fast part (that only goes for like 10 seconds, grrr) in The Grand Conjuration.
What would be awesome, is Reverie played like halfway through, or after a particularly heavy song.
Did you miss them last time round?
Hells Bells
10-28-2005, 11:09 AM
11:45ish
Great, that'll give us enough time to catch the last train.
/NP Demon of the Fall. I'm going to go completely psycho when they play this one :D
Darkness
10-28-2005, 12:14 PM
You're starting to bug me, too. :upset: Some of us happen to like that track very much, and your constant badgering of it is getting almost as old as Ghost Reveries bashing or Roadrunner whining.
It's all good, though. ;)
Sorry. :upset:
lost_profits
10-28-2005, 04:32 PM
Congrats, you've just earned a nice neg-rep. Quit being such a troll when it comes to the subject of stuff on "Ghost Reveries." It's REALLY old by this point, and you have no right to be bossing other people around about what they can or can't do "in this thread."
I actually found it quite humorous.
A turd to a sunset!:lol:
I've listened to Godhead's lament right through again, it does have some nice moments...... the riffing at 5.50 - 6.50
I also like the solo from 2.55 - 3.24 where the guitar actually sounds like it's singing 'searching my way to perplexion'
The Brad
10-28-2005, 04:36 PM
Hey I was just curious if any of you are familiar with Toni Morrison's Beloved it was released in 1987, she got a Nobel Prize for it in '93 and Oprah made it into a horrible movie in '98?
Anyway around the time Ghost Reveries was released we had started reading it in my creative writing class, I can see a lot of parallels between the lyrical content and the novel. Some of it may be a stretch, but I think it could make for some interesting discussion. If we discussed the similarities in the plots.
Det_Nosnip
10-28-2005, 05:03 PM
Dude, maybe I'm out of place here but:
1.) Still Life owns all; my favorite Opeth album as a whole
Agreed; mine too.
2.) Godhead's Lament is pretty much my favorite Opeth song
Mine as well.
3.) Closure is the best song on Damnation
Agreed.
4.) Harlequin Forest is Opeth's worst song (though it's still decent, as it's Opeth)
I disagree...I happen to like the song, and it's certainly better than "Into The Frost Of Winter." :p
5.) Bleak is okay, but it's not as good as: The Lepper Affinity,
I like both alot, but I'd probably lean more towards Bleak.
The Drapery Falls, I'd say that they're about equal, and Drapery Falls gets a hell of alot more attention than Bleak does.
Dirge for November,
The intro is one of Opeth's best moments, but the rest of the song doesn't do too much for me.
The Funeral Portrait (which is INCREDIBLY underrated)
Agreed! That and Harvest were my two favorites off of BWP when I first got it. What I like about Funeral Portrait is that it is so atypical of what Opeth normally does...there's no extended acoustic guitar interludes, and only a small bit of clean singing at the end (I suppose you could say the same about Leper Affinity). The intro produces very vivid imagery for me, though...I often will see colors when I listen to music, but that song in particular is very clear: oranges, reds, blacks, and whites, like a raging fire in the dead of winter. Any song that can evoke that powerful of an image in me is ok in my book. ;)
6.) Dirge for November is one of my favorite tracks on BWP; currently my favorite to listen to. I don't see why people don't like this one; it's pure emotion.
Well, like I said, it's not my favorite, but I do like it.
7. By the Pain I See in Others is my second favorite track on Deliverance, second only to the song Deliverance. And, I'm sorry guys, but By the Pain I See in Others ends on a held chord. All the backwards singing and weird crap at the end is NOT part of that song!!!
To be honest, it's been a really long time since I've listened to Deliverance, so I can't really comment. :upset:
This is, of course, all my own personal oppinion. I'll end my rant now. But does ANYONE else here agree with me?
For the most part. ;)
Talking about The Funeral Portrait, I love the "And you are just like them all, stained by the names of fathers" verse. One of my favorite clean verses by Opeth.
ok lateralus
10-28-2005, 05:45 PM
Talking about The Funeral Portrait, I love the "And you are just like them all, stained by the names of fathers" verse. One of my favorite clean verses by Opeth.
Agreed.
ok lateralus
10-28-2005, 05:46 PM
Bleak is one of my favorite Opeth songs ever. Great structure, but one thing is concerning me about this post. Please never ever ever ever ever compare Godheads Lament to Reverie/Harlequin Forest on this thread again. That's like comparing a turd to a sunset.
I agree completely, I really despise Reverie/Harlequin Forest, and I can't quite put my finger on it. I dont know, maybe it's just the song's overall bladness. Theres a pleasant guitar harmony somewhere but otherwise it just drags on and on. I really don't like the lyrics too, they're lame.
I like Harlequin Forest. I'll admit it rambles a bit, but I think it's a really good song. I refuse to start an argument over this though, as it's only my opinion.
spacemanjack
10-28-2005, 05:53 PM
Seeing these new setlists, all the same as I saw except they've replaced The Moor with Face of Melinda......not sure how I feel about that. Probably my two favorite songs. Guess I'll just call it a tie, with possible edge to Moor based on length.
Harlequin is my favorite song on GR.
Orchid is growing on me a little bit. It's still not up to their later standards, though, I don't think, even though most of the acoustic playing is really great. It's the electric guitar harmonies that don't really do anything for me.
ok lateralus
10-28-2005, 05:55 PM
I like Harlequin Forest. I'll admit it rambles a bit, but I think it's a really good song. I refuse to start an argument over this though, as it's only my opinion.
Yeah I don't want to start an argument over opinions either, I just felt like saying that it frustrates me how bland the song is and not up to Opeth standards.
Harlequin is my favorite song on GR.
Orchid is growing on me a little bit. It's still not up to their later standards, though, I don't think, even though most of the acoustic playing is really great. It's the electric guitar harmonies that don't really do anything for me.
Yeah, and people complain about Harlequin Forest rambling :p . I do really like Orchid, though it's certainly their most unfocused work.
EDIT: Opeth have replaced Gene on this tour right?
ok lateralus
10-28-2005, 06:04 PM
Yeah, and people complain about Harlequin Forest rambling :p . I do really like Orchid, though it's certainly their most unfocused work.
Definitely. Morningrise is where it all comes together, at least in terms of that double melodic lead style, though some would beg to differ. For example on Orchid, there's a lot of strange moments, musically that just dont seem to fit in or sound plain dumb. Like the whole "creepy effects" thing in the middle of Under the Weeping Moon. Or, there's a quick little funky bassline in The Twilight is My Robe that sounds ridiculously out of place.
Or the intro to 'The Apostle In Triumph' followed by the 10 second silence for no reason.
ok lateralus
10-28-2005, 06:10 PM
Yeah, and for some reason the death metal vox on Orchid annoy me sometimes, which isn't the case with any other Opeth album. Like on IMSWS there's this one part where he screams and it just sounds waaay too overdramatic and screechy. Still, Orchid has its moments.
The intro riff to 'In Mist She Was Standing' = one of the greatest riffs ever written.
Also, I HATE the clean vocals on that album, when I can hear them.
ok lateralus
10-28-2005, 06:15 PM
The intro riff to 'In Mist She Was Standing' = one of the greatest riffs ever written.
Also, I HATE the clean vocals on that album, when I can hear them.
Yeah I love basically all of In Mis she was standing, which i can't really say for any of the others. (excluding "silhouette" and "requiem")
Why don't you like the clean vocals? I don't see anything wrong with them, I love the ones on Twilight is My Robe... yet a lot of people seem to dislike them
I can barely hear them, they're just like a whisper. The vocals aren't bad, it's the production.
ok lateralus
10-28-2005, 06:20 PM
I can barely hear them, they're just like a whisper. The vocals aren't bad, it's the production.
Yeah, I guess the production on Orchid could be better. But I love Morningrise the way it is.
Morningrise is perfect. Though not as perfect as Still Life.
i am the robots
10-28-2005, 06:23 PM
The production on Orchid is great, the clean vocals fit so well with that eerie *** feel. The problem with Morningrise clean vocals is Anders Friden has certain expectations for clean vocals that are great for In Flames style metal, but not really the Opeth sound, so though Akerfeldt is so brilliant there, Anders kind of kills the style (minorly) with his production.
ok lateralus
10-28-2005, 06:24 PM
Morningrise is perfect. Though not as perfect as Still Life.
Hm, I don't know. I love Still Life, but Morningrise has something special, all 5 songs are flawless. And IMO Moonlapse Vertigo isn't that great. I do like some parts very much, but half of it is slightly unmemorable.
i am the robots
10-28-2005, 06:25 PM
I love Moonlapse, and I agree that Morningrise is Godly, but I still prefer Still Life.
I find Nectar lacking a little. Not bad by any means, but it doesn't live up to the rest of the album.
I partially agree with Moonlapse Vertigo though, it is the weakest on the album.
The production on Orchid is great, the clean vocals fit so well with that eerie *** feel. The problem with Morningrise clean vocals is Anders Friden has certain expectations for clean vocals that are great for In Flames style metal, but not really the Opeth sound, so though Akerfeldt is so brilliant there, Anders kind of kills the style (minorly) with his production.
Hmm, I didn't know Anders produced that album.
i am the robots
10-28-2005, 06:28 PM
Yep, he did. Look in the booklet young man :thumb:.
ok lateralus
10-28-2005, 06:32 PM
I find Nectar lacking a little. Not bad by any means, but it doesn't live up to the rest of the album.
It's my least favorite on the album, but not to the extent of dragging the album down or anything.
Yep, he did. Look in the booklet young man :thumb:.
I haven't even looked in the booklet of that album since I ripped it onto my computer. I'm not a huge fan of it to begin with... heh. Some real gems and amazing moments, but overall, I enjoy Opeth's latter phase so much more.
Porcupine Tree owns Opeth live, though.
/runs and hides
It pains me to look in the booklets of the first two albums. So many typos.
i am the robots
10-28-2005, 06:34 PM
I haven't even looked in the booklet of that album since I ripped it onto my computer. I'm not a huge fan of it to begin with... heh. Some real gems and amazing moments, but overall, I enjoy Opeth's latter phase so much more.
Porcupine Tree owns Opeth live, though.
/runs and hides
I don't care, I don't get to see Porcupine Tree any time soon, but I'm seeing Opeth on Monday.
2 weeks till Opeth :cool:.
ok lateralus
10-28-2005, 06:58 PM
2 weeks till Opeth :cool:.
Ah, lucky. I was GOING to see them in Phoenix... then, the unthinkable happened.
ElectricalStorm
10-28-2005, 07:06 PM
Hey I was just curious if any of you are familiar with Toni Morrison's Beloved it was released in 1987, she got a Nobel Prize for it in '93 and Oprah made it into a horrible movie in '98?
Anyway around the time Ghost Reveries was released we had started reading it in my creative writing class, I can see a lot of parallels between the lyrical content and the novel. Some of it may be a stretch, but I think it could make for some interesting discussion. If we discussed the similarities in the plots.
I've read that book..... BUT I feel you're fishing in the wrong pond here. People in this thread are barely willing to discuss Opeth much less discuss Opeth lyrics and compare them to other literature. But if you're going to go for it the realize the burden of creating/facilating discussion is placed on your shoulders, no else will start the process--I can almost guarentee that from personal experience.
Also keep in mind that there may not even be enough people who have read the book to even bother posting about it. A good alternative would be discuss the lyrics of Ghost Reveries by themselves. From what I can tell the lyrics aren't really well written and the story isn't particular gripping this time around.
ok lateralus
10-28-2005, 07:06 PM
Well, i heard they're going to tour the US again in February so maybe i'll have a second chance
Again? That would be amazing.
ok lateralus
10-28-2005, 07:09 PM
Yep, that's what i heard. If its true, i would die
Mikeal did say they'd be back in February. I'd see them again for sure, even though Porcupine Tree wipes the floor with them.
/unnecessary
ElectricalStorm
10-28-2005, 07:11 PM
In other news I went to see Opeth at the House o Blues on Wednesday, setlist was very similiar to other shows. The show was really great btw and I'll probably post the details some other time.
Someone also mentioned that they would like to discuss the lyrics to My Arms Your Hearse and it defintely merits discussion as the album seems to be really well-written. I'd love to do it but dissecting a whole album is a pretty big task and the process would be better if many people joined together to accomplish it. I'd be willing to start with an April Ethereal analysis some time soon (when I have free time). Let me know anyone in this thread would be interesting in working with the lyrics, the more brainpower the better.
Oh and I know I double posted.
You didn't double post silly. This thread moves quick.
The setlists do look too similiar this tour, I hope they change it up next year.
ok lateralus
10-28-2005, 07:19 PM
So... what do you guys prefer- Morningrise or Ghost Reveries? There was a poll of this on the Opeth board and i thought it was an... uh intersting question. It's Morningrise for me without a doubt
Det_Nosnip
10-28-2005, 07:20 PM
Talking about The Funeral Portrait, I love the "And you are just like them all, stained by the names of fathers" verse. One of my favorite clean verses by Opeth.
Hell yeah. It reminds me of Still Life, actually...The Moor in particular.
Mikeal did say they'd be back in February. I'd see them again for sure, even though Porcupine Tree wipes the floor with them.
/unnecessary
When I saw Porcupine Tree they performed great, but Gavin Harrison was the only one who really blew me away as far as live performers go. Steven didn't really sound like he does on the albums (not necessarily a bad thing, mind you, but in this case I prefer how he sounded on the record). My thoughts on the PT show that I saw were that Wilson is really more of a studio genius than anything, and that Gavin Harrison is amazing.
Although PT are good live, I wouldn't say that they "wipe the floor" with Opeth.
*prays that a Opeth vs Porcupine Tree arguement doesn't break out*.
Det_Nosnip
10-28-2005, 07:23 PM
So... what do you guys prefer- Morningrise or Ghost Reveries? There was a poll of this on the Opeth board and i thought it was an... uh intersting question. It's Morningrise for me without a doubt
Morningrise is a good album, but I still have yet to see in it what others do. I really just don't care for the old rhythm section that Opeth had...they're good musicians and have alot of chops, but the Martins are just alot more solid and groove like it's nobody's business. Those are attributes that I feel are much more important in a bassist or drummer than "ability to play X amount of notes per second." As a drummer, I find Lopez's playing on Ghost Reveries to be his most inspiring yet, and I like the music more, so I'd have to go with Ghost Reveries.
Plus Mikael's singing and growling are about 100x better now.
Hell yeah. It reminds me of Still Life, actually...The Moor in particular.
When I saw Porcupine Tree they performed great, but Gavin Harrison was the only one who really blew me away as far as live performers go. Steven didn't really sound like he does on the albums (not necessarily a bad thing, mind you, but in this case I prefer how he sounded on the record). My thoughts on the PT show that I saw were that Wilson is really more of a studio genius than anything, and that Gavin Harrison is amazing.
Although PT are good live, I wouldn't say that they "wipe the floor" with Opeth.
*prays that a Opeth vs Porcupine Tree arguement doesn't break out*.
Odd. I was completely blown away by the whole performance. I thought...I dunno, it was perfect. I liked the way his voice sounded. It was a little bit more raw, I guess, a little darker. Just all aesthetics of the show were great. The sights, the sounds...The guitar tone was perfect, as well. You're a big drum guy, though, so you'd notice the drums more than I would.
It's nothing against Opeth, though, because in my opinion PT wipes the floor with every band, haha. :P
Flynn
10-28-2005, 10:29 PM
You didn't double post silly. This thread moves quick.
The setlists do look too similiar this tour, I hope they change it up next year.
Yeah no shlt, preferably something from Orchid or Morningrise. For some reason they don't play anything from either album. I don't think they can play the songs live, I really don't.
ok lateralus
10-28-2005, 10:32 PM
Yeah no shlt, preferably something from Orchid or Morningrise. For some reason they don't play anything from either album. I don't think they can play the songs live, I really don't.
Yeah, well Mikael doesn't really like the material from Orchid and Morningrise, and I don't know if the whole band is familiar with it. It would be amazing if they played Black Rose Immortal or something though, but probably will never happen.
Toaster
10-28-2005, 10:35 PM
Yeah no shlt, preferably something from Orchid or Morningrise. For some reason they don't play anything from either album. I don't think they can play the songs live, I really don't.
Well it's probably because it would put a bias on new listeners. Orchid especially sounds a lot like Gothenburg, Opeth have evolved out of that sound. I'm sure they don't want potential listeners to say "generic Gothenburg crap", with the dual guitar harmonies and such.
They probably forget them, too.
Flynn
10-28-2005, 10:40 PM
Well it's probably because it would put a bias on new listeners. Orchid especially sounds a lot like Gothenburg, Opeth have evolved out of that sound. I'm sure they don't want potential listeners to say "generic Gothenburg crap", with the dual guitar harmonies and such.
They probably forget them, too.
Bias? roflmao you're hilarious! Explain how Orchid sounds like Gothenburg? I don't give a shlt if it sounds like Iceland, I love the album and would like to hear it live; the same goes for Morningrise. You should really read what you type before you submit your post.:amaze:
Edit: I just realized you called Orchid crap. I hate you. Not to mention that album got be hooked on them. Don't post ignorance in here ever again. Look the word up, your posts describe that term well.
Toaster
10-28-2005, 10:47 PM
Bias? roflmao you're hilarious! Explain how Orchid sounds like Gothenburg? I don't give a shlt if it sounds like Iceland, I love the album and would like to hear it live; the same goes for Morningrise. You should really read what you type before you submit your post.:amaze:
Edit: I just realized you called Orchid crap. I hate you.
Should you really be lecturing me about what I post?
People who heard Orchid live could mistake it for Gothenburg. I've met many who would write off any Gothenburg band as "generic and boring". I never said it was crap, although I rate it very low compared to other Opeth albums. Don't be so affronted if I don't adore every ounce of material Opeth has released.
EDIT: :Braces for impact:
Bias? roflmao you're hilarious! Explain how Orchid sounds like Gothenburg? I don't give a shlt if it sounds like Iceland, I love the album and would like to hear it live; the same goes for Morningrise. You should really read what you type before you submit your post.:amaze:
Edit: I just realized you called Orchid crap. I hate you. Not to mention that album got be hooked on them. Don't post ignorance in here ever again. Look the word up, your posts describe that term well.
Dude, calm down. He can call Orchid crap if he wants to. Besides, he speaks the truth.
It's a disjointed, sloppy and amatuer album in my mind.
Flynn
10-28-2005, 10:54 PM
Should you really be lecturing me about what I post?
People who heard Orchid live could mistake it for Gothenburg. I've met many who would write off any Gothenburg band as "generic and boring". I never said it was crap, although I rate it very low compared to other Opeth albums. Don't be so affronted if I don't adore every ounce of material Opeth has released.
First of all, if people go to an Opeth concert, they fvcking know what ORCHID is. Second, people that go to an Opeth concert don't even fvcking care about Gothenburg. 3rd, I rate your posts as generic, ignorant and arrogant. 4th, Don't label me, you don't know me, it seems to me you're musically ''challenged''. It's all good, you like Opeth, I guess you're the one fans that doesn't know shlt about the band and tries to press your worthless opinion on other people. Eat Fiber.
ok lateralus
10-28-2005, 10:55 PM
First of all, if people go to an Opeth concert, they fvcking know what ORCHID is. Second, people that go to an Opeth concert don't even fvcking care about Gothenburg. 3rd, I rate your posts as generic, ignorant and arrogant. 4th, Don't label me, you don't know me, it seems to me you're musically ''challenged''. It's all good, you like Opeth, I guess you're the one fans that doesn't know shlt about the band and tries to press your worthless opinion on other people. Eat Fiber.
Jesus Christ man, calm down.
Flynn
10-28-2005, 10:57 PM
Jesus Christ man, calm down.
Ignorant people make me angry. I depsise it. Especially when they concur their opinion as a ''norm''. If you don't like Orchid, don't waste your time typing it. Period.
Toaster
10-28-2005, 10:58 PM
First of all, if people go to an Opeth concert, they fvcking know what ORCHID is. Second, people that go to an Opeth concert don't even fvcking care about Gothenburg. 3rd, I rate your posts as generic, ignorant and arrogant. 4th, Don't label me, you don't know me, it seems to me you're musically ''challenged''. It's all good, you like Opeth, I guess you're the one fans that doesn't know shlt about the band and tries to press your worthless opinion on other people. Eat Fiber.
Seriously I hope you're joking.
ok lateralus
10-28-2005, 11:01 PM
Ignorant people make me angry. I depsise it. Especially when they concur their opinion as a ''norm''. If you don't like Orchid, don't waste your time typing it. Period.
People have the right to have their own opinion, and if you don't like it, ignore it or dont make such a big deal.... Its as simple as that. I know it's your thread but not every post has to be 100% approving of everything Opeth has released.
Flynn
10-28-2005, 11:02 PM
Well it's probably because it would put a bias on new listeners. Orchid especially sounds a lot like Gothenburg, Opeth have evolved out of that sound. I'm sure they don't want potential listeners to say "generic Gothenburg crap", with the dual guitar harmonies and such.
They probably forget them, too.
Read That.
ok lateralus
10-28-2005, 11:03 PM
Read That.
OK. He was saying that some newer fans who are more familiar with Opeth's more recent albums might immediately stereotype Orchid as generic Gotherburg crap. He wasnt saying that he himself thought that was true. Get it?
Toaster
10-28-2005, 11:04 PM
People have the right to have their own opinion, and if you don't like it, ignore it or dont make such a big deal.... Its as simple as that. I know it's your thread but not every post has to be 100% approving of everything Opeth has released.
Not only that, I never posted my opinion originally. I simply said why I thought they didn't play songs off Orchid and Morningrise live. Only when you totally took my post the wrong way and blasted me did I admit that Orchid is not one of my favorites.
Flynn
10-28-2005, 11:06 PM
OK. He was saying that some newer fans who are more familiar with Opeth's more recent albums might immediately stereotype Orchid as generic Gotherburg crap. He wasnt saying that he himself thought that was true. Get it?
Exactly! That's, say it with me , I G N O R A N T. How the fvck does he or anyone else know what other people think? That's his ignorant opinion. Not to mention it's far fetched. Get with the march and listen to the albums before you try defending strangers on the internet.
ok lateralus
10-28-2005, 11:09 PM
Exactly! That's, say it with me , I G N O R A N T. How the fvck does he or anyone else know what other people think? That's his ignorant opinion. Not to mention it's far fetched.
Making assumptions doesn't equal ignorance.
Get with the march and listen to the albums before you try defending strangers on the internet.
I listen to Opeth every day, and know all their albums quite well.
Flynn
10-28-2005, 11:12 PM
Not only that, I never posted my opinion originally. I simply said why I thought they didn't play songs off Orchid and Morningrise live. Only when you totally took my post the wrong way and blasted me did I admit that Orchid is not one of my favorites.
Make a new account, you're going nowhere. You're not witty or intelligent. You don't know shlt about shlt. You got boned, and there's no coming back from it. You deny posting your Opinion when saying Orchid is Gothenburg crap?????? wow, gtfoh...throw your keyboard in a lake, please.
ok lateralus
10-28-2005, 11:13 PM
Make a new account, you're going nowhere. You're not witty or intelligent. You don't know shlt about shlt. You got boned, and there's no coming back from it. You deny posting your Opinion when saying Orchid is Gothenburg crap?????? wow, gtfoh...throw your keyboard in a lake, please.
You're overreacting. Really. He never said his opinion is that Orchid is Gothenburg crap, how many times do I have to repeat it.
Flynn
10-28-2005, 11:15 PM
You're overreacting. Really. He never said his opinion is that Orchid is Gothenburg crap, how many times do I have to repeat it.
Shut up, this is our arguement. Let him talk, or are you his mother?
ok lateralus
10-28-2005, 11:16 PM
Shut up, this is our arguement. Let him talk, or are you his mother?
Sorry, just trying to make you realize you're making a fool out of yourself
Flynn
10-28-2005, 11:18 PM
Sorry, just trying to make you realize you're making a fool out of yourself
:lol: Don't post my reply, this doesn't concern you. Nevermind, you can post what you want, my bad side ''folder'' has plenty of room. :D
Toaster
10-28-2005, 11:19 PM
Shut up, this is our arguement. Let him talk, or are you his mother?
Actually I was trying to end this by letting you speak yourself out.
I never said they were Gothenburg "crap". Many people who I've met regard all Gothenburg as being generic and boring. I said the band may not want those listeners to be put off, as their new sound TO ME sounds nothing like Gothenburg, although TO ME their Orchid album has identifiable traces of it.
I'm sorry if my previous posts offend you, I'm pretty new to this site, and I've said some things I regret saying. Can we please settle this argument amicably?
Flynn
10-28-2005, 11:24 PM
Actually I was trying to end this by letting you speak yourself out.
I never said they were Gothenburg "crap". Many people who I've met regard all Gothenburg as being generic and boring. I said the band may not want those listeners to be put off, as their new sound TO ME sounds nothing like Gothenburg, although TO ME their Orchid album has identifiable traces of it.
I'm sorry if my previous posts offend you, I'm pretty new to this site, and I've said some things I regret saying. Can we please settle this argument amicably?
o......k.
Lets read this one more time:
Well it's probably because it would put a bias on new listeners. Orchid especially sounds a lot like Gothenburg, Opeth have evolved out of that sound. I'm sure they don't want potential listeners to say "generic Gothenburg crap", with the dual guitar harmonies and such.
They probably forget them, too.
I haven't heard of one band where fans didn't like their debut. 90% of the time, the older material means a lot more to the listener. You, my friend are self biased. You should learn how to play music and have feeling for the matter before you make a totally ignorant statement on a music forum. I can now see you have no idea what music is. I'm sorry.:upset:
Det_Nosnip
10-28-2005, 11:28 PM
Flynn, calm the **** down, man. Early Opeth DOES share many characteristics of the Gothenburg sound....and Mikael has repeatedly said in interviews that he got sick of that sound, which is why he himself doesn't like those albums as much. They weren't exactly Gothenburg, but there WERE similarities.
What toaster implied was that a first time listener who has NEVER heard of the band might mistake Orchid/Morningrise material for "Gothenburg crap." He never said that Orchid was crap.
They DO play Morningrise+Orchid songs live, especially "Advent," which gets frequent plays. As far as why they don't play them often...well, the band has released what, 8 albums now...and have been playing that material for years. Maybe they're sick of it. Don't you think you'd get at least a LITTLE tired of playing the same music for 11 years? :rolleyes:
Flynn, why is it that you bash Ghost Reveries at every available opportunity, yet jump on anyones' case whenever he says a negative comment about Orchid?
Killtacular
10-28-2005, 11:56 PM
Mmm..
Mezzanine.
Det_Nosnip
10-28-2005, 11:57 PM
Massive Attack? **** yeah. :cool:
Killtacular
10-29-2005, 12:06 AM
You're derned tootin'!!
/dances
Shadows
10-29-2005, 12:06 AM
What genre are they? I've heard a lot about them but I'm not familiar with their music.
Killtacular
10-29-2005, 12:10 AM
Trip-Hop, from what I gather.
It's heavy in hip-hop beats, but it's more ambient, kind of.. or... something.
Also, there's some nice lady vocals on Mezzanine, which makes it all the better. It's also much more instrumentally interesting than hip-hop.
Wiki it.
Det_Nosnip
10-29-2005, 12:10 AM
Trip-hop. Think...umm....the electronic influences in Radiohead, maybe? I dunno.....kinda hard to describe. Very trippy and atmospheric. The big single from Mezzanine was "Teardrop," which featured very beautiful female vocals.
Apocalyptic Raids
10-29-2005, 12:13 AM
I'm just guessing here but..... trip-hop?
EDIT: Beaten :upset:
Det_Nosnip
10-29-2005, 12:14 AM
NP - When. :cool: I haven't given My Arms....it's due.
Killtacular
10-29-2005, 12:26 AM
Neither have I, but I'm lazy and it's Mezzanine time.
Det_Nosnip
10-29-2005, 12:28 AM
It's a damn good album. (applicable to both, actually :p ).
Killtacular
10-29-2005, 12:34 AM
We'll see about that...
/narrows eyes
Flynn, if I see any more of this crap from you I'm gonna report you and you'll get banned. I'm sick of this. I don't know what's gotten into you lately but you'd better can it. The only reason I'm not reporting you in the first place is because I got here after your latest bit of trolling subsided. Chill the hell out and learn how to respect other people's opinions. You can start by explaining YOUR opinion in an amicable manner, instead of your usual claptrap.
I haven't heard of one band where fans didn't like their debut. 90% of the time, the older material means a lot more to the listener. You, my friend are self biased. You should learn how to play music and have feeling for the matter before you make a totally ignorant statement on a music forum. I can now see you have no idea what music is. I'm sorry.
Wait, I just read this. Jesus, he said that he wanted to resolve this amicably, and your response is that?
Unbelievable. Just unbelievable. Don't even listen to him, toaster, you're on the side of right here.
Flynn, tone it down a bit. If it's bad enough for Lucas (the world's nicest person) to complain, then I'd say you'll be verging on a ban unless you are a little more receptive to others in this thread.
Lucas (the world's nicest person)
:-*
Flynn
10-29-2005, 02:14 AM
Flynn, if I see any more of this crap from you I'm gonna report you and you'll get banned.
Report me for me stating my opinion on this thread? Go ahead, do it. Are you still mad about that dispute we had earlier? First of all, Actually read what he typed.
Report me for me stating my opinion on this thread? Go ahead, do it. Are you still mad about that dispute we had earlier? First of all, Actually read what he typed.
I'm fairly tolerant of elitism, especially since I post in the black metal thread, but honestly, you have to provide more substance to your opinion.
There is a difference between an elitist who knows his stuff and provides explanation, and an elitist who just flames and states his opinion as fact. I enjoy talking to the former; the latter is treading on thin ice.
I like you as a poster, so please tone down, 'cause I'm not too fond of banning regulars.
Report me for me stating my opinion on this thread? Go ahead, do it. Are you still mad about that dispute we had earlier? First of all, Actually read what he typed.
I'm far from mad about that stuff. And believe me, I've read the whole thing. With you it's gone beyond a simple disagreement and has gone to the level of elitist, indiscriminate bashing. In case you haven't noticed, every other regular in the thread is tired of this behavior from you, not just me.
Flynn
10-29-2005, 02:31 AM
Well it's probably because it would put a bias on new listeners. Orchid especially sounds a lot like Gothenburg, Opeth have evolved out of that sound. I'm sure they don't want potential listeners to say "generic Gothenburg crap", with the dual guitar harmonies and such.
They probably forget them, too.
First of all, you have to understand why I am arguing this. It really plsses me off to read this about Opeth. Second, explain what you're talking about on the underlined statement. Opeth has that on all of their records, even D@mnation. Yeah, god forbid they do any dual guitar harmonies. That's what makes Opeth so great, their ability to do that.
Flynn, why is it that you bash Ghost Reveries at every available opportunity, yet jump on anyones' case whenever he says a negative comment about Orchid?
I don't bash anything. I simply state I dislike an album, in this case Ghost Reveries vs Orchid. Any hardcore Opeth fan will tell you like it is. Orchid is >
I'm fairly tolerant of elitism, especially since I post in the black metal thread, but honestly, you have to provide more substance to your opinion.
Really? I haven't seen you on this thread before. Do you listen to Opeth at all? If so, what are your favorite songs?
First of all, you have to understand why I am arguing this. It really plsses me off to read this about Opeth. Second, explain what you're talking about on the underlined statement. Opeth has that on all of their records, even D@mnation. Yeah, god forbid they do any dual guitar harmonies. That's what makes Opeth so great, their ability to do that.
Loads of people have already told you that you misunderstood what he was trying to say, but you ignored them and are continuing to do so. Mikael himself has said that that album is particularly reminiscient of the style of many of those types of bands and that he's sick of it. I think they're great too, but to say that it's the end-all, be-all is misguided, as is your idea that "older" somehow makes it better. And I see that you continue to insist that Ghost Reveries is somehow automatically terrible simply because you claim "hardcore fans will tell you that their oldest ones are best," and you consider yourself to be a hardcore fan.
I don't bash anything. I simply state I dislike an album, in this case Ghost Reveries vs Orchid. Any hardcore Opeth fan will tell you like it is. Orchid is >
Opinions are subjective, pal. I can't believe that I need to spell it out for you when you've been on the site as long as you have. And besides, what Kage was trying to illustrate was your lack of tolerance for other people's opinions as contrasted to your clear idea that everyone should agree with yours. That's not the way it works.
I posted here, a long time ago, when you had just started this thread.
I'm not that big of an Opeth fan, to be honest, though I do own Still Life, Morningrise, Blackwater Park, from when I was getting into them. I also downloaded Ghost Reveries, and it isn't as good as those first three, but it's not terrible either.
However, my main purpose here is in a mod capacity, in that I was asked by a user to monitor the level of flaming in this thread.
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Also, we all know who made dual guitar harmonies great...
Det_Nosnip
10-29-2005, 02:45 AM
Look, one of the greatest things about Opeth is how diverse they are, musically...and, by extension, how diverse a fanbase they have. Some people will really like the Orchid and Morningrise albums, a million people will be obsessed with Blackwater Park and think that it's the only album Opeth has ever made ( ;) ), some will be Dam nation freaks, etc. You obviously are really into their early material, and you're not alone...but your opinion also doesn't represent the "hardcore" Opeth fan. A hardcore Opeth fan is somebody who enjoys it ALL....everything from Orchid to Ghost Reveries. So if somebody dislikes Orchid...don't get so upset about it. His or her tastes are simply different than yours. I don't yell at you for not liking Ghost Reveries, or at Darkness for not liking Godhead's Lament despite the fact that it's easily one of Opeth's greatest songs ( ;) ), so lay off of the guy. If they're posting on this thread, then obviously they have decent taste in music, so there's no reason to flame them.
I posted here, a long time ago, when you had just started this thread.
I'm not that big of an Opeth fan, to be honest, though I do own Still Life, Morningrise, Blackwater Park, from when I was getting into them. I also downloaded Ghost Reveries, and it isn't as good as those first three, but it's not terrible either.
However, my main purpose here is in a mod capacity, in that I was asked by a user to monitor the level of flaming in this thread.
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Also, we all know who made dual guitar harmonies great...
Thin Lizzy!!!
Rep ++ plzkthx
EDIT: Excuse me Det, my answer is more right please change your opinion immediately.
And also, you're a lot nicer than I am. :(
Det_Nosnip
10-29-2005, 02:46 AM
Also, we all know who made dual guitar harmonies great...
Up the irons, man. :chug:
Flynn
10-29-2005, 02:52 AM
I posted here, a long time ago, when you had just started this thread.
I'm not that big of an Opeth fan, to be honest, though I do own Still Life, Morningrise, Blackwater Park, from when I was getting into them. I also downloaded Ghost Reveries, and it isn't as good as those first three, but it's not terrible either.
However, my main purpose here is in a mod capacity, in that I was asked by a user to monitor the level of flaming in this thread.
-------------------
Also, we all know who made dual guitar harmonies great...
Seriously, if I was flaming someone, I'd be banned. Period. I'm simply stating my views on different Opeth albums. I don't want to cause drama, read the first page. I just get sick of posters typing ignorance. The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed. It makes me angry, especially when they put ignorance in the mouths of others. I understand if people come here and state ''FACE OF MELINDA!!'' or '' I LOVE THE LEPPER AFFINITY!! YEAH!'' That's different, but you have to stop defending ignorance. How someone can say Orchid is crap on this thread is blasphemy. And yes, he meant it. So I'm sorry if I offended anyone defending my point of view, my personal opinion is that Orchid is legend. It won't happen again.
Britton
10-29-2005, 02:53 AM
So what's going on in the Opeth thread?
any new news
Seriously, if I was flaming someone, I'd be banned. Period. I'm simply stating my views on different Opeth albums. I don't want to cause drama, read the first page. I just get sick of posters typing ignorance. The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed. It makes me angry, especially when they put ignorance in the mouths of others. I understand if people come here and state ''FACE OF MELINDA!!'' or '' I LOVE THE LEPPER AFFINITY!! YEAH!'' That's different, but you have to stop defending ignorance. How someone can say Orchid is crap on this thread is blasphemy. And yes, he meant it. So I'm sorry if I offended anyone defending my point of view, my personal opinion that Orchid is legend. It wont' happen again.
But you weren't defending your opinion, you were attacking others for holding and defending theirs. And toaster most certainly did NOT say that Orchid was crap. If anything, he was making reference to the kind of elitist pricks that WOULD dismiss it as crap, and criticizing THEM. You are suffering from a fundamental misunderstanding of how you feel you are conducting yourself, which is at odds with what other people are percieving, and it's blinding you to how you're truly behaving.
To think that Orchid is bad is NOT "blasphemy." It is not illegal for a person to say that in the Opeth thread. It is not illegal for someone to criticize old material. If you disagree, you debate and eventually (hopefully) amicably choose to disagree. This is not what you have been doing. You have ordered users to never post in the thread again for a criticism they have said of a revered song of yours, and you have said that they consequently know "nothing about music" for holding it. These are not the ways a debater, who is defending his opinion, conducts himself. Therefore, you cannot say that that's all you've been doing.
Flynn
10-29-2005, 02:57 AM
So what's going on in the Opeth thread?
any new news
Did you get my email?
Apocalyptic Raids
10-29-2005, 03:06 AM
So what's going on in the Opeth thread?
any new news
:lol: :lol:
Flynn
10-29-2005, 03:06 AM
But you weren't defending your opinion, you were attacking others for holding and defending theirs. And toaster most certainly did NOT say that Orchid was crap. If anything, he was making reference to the kind of elitist pricks that WOULD dismiss it as crap, and criticizing THEM. You are suffering from a fundamental misunderstanding of how you feel you are conducting yourself, which is at odds with what other people are percieving, and it's blinding you to how you're truly behaving.
To think that Orchid is bad is NOT "blasphemy." It is not illegal for a person to say that in the Opeth thread. It is not illegal for someone to criticize old material. If you disagree, you debate and eventually (hopefully) amicably choose to disagree. This is not what you have been doing. You have ordered users to never post in the thread again for a criticism they have said of a revered song of yours, and you have said that they consequently know "nothing about music" for holding it. These are not the ways a debater, who is defending his opinion, conducts himself. Therefore, you cannot say that that's all you've been doing.
Read this. If you're an Opeth fan, you'll understand.
Well it's probably because it would put a bias on new listeners. Orchid especially sounds a lot like Gothenburg, Opeth have evolved out of that sound. I'm sure they don't want potential listeners to say "generic Gothenburg crap", with the dual guitar harmonies and such.
They probably forget them, too.
That doesn't even make sense!
Orchid doesn't even come close to gothenburg, wow! Why do talentless people post here? :amaze: Even more amazed, the number of people that support this core.
Britton
10-29-2005, 03:08 AM
Did you get my email?
Yea I got it
thanks man
Flynn
10-29-2005, 03:09 AM
Yea I got it
thanks man
:D Anytime. If you like Death Metal, I'll send you some original underground ears.
Britton
10-29-2005, 03:11 AM
Okay that's cool.
I just replied to you're other post too
That doesn't even make sense!
Orchid doesn't even come close to gothenburg, wow! Why do talentless people post here? :amaze: Even more amazed, the number of people that support this core.
It does so make sense. Clearly he's referencing the idea that the twin-guitar harmonies on Orchid and Morningrise may be considered to be generic, representative of the era in which Opeth came out, and at the very least nothing so special because of how overdone that sound became. I tend to agree, to an extent: I feel as though that the parts themselves are effective, but that on the whole the compositional tightness leaves a lot to be desired: generally it's quite unfocused, the production is bad, the vocals and transitions are amateur and undeveloped.
I repeat: MIKAEL HIMSELF HAS SAID THIS ABOUT THOSE SONGS.
He's not stating his own opinion, not that HE thinks Orchid or Opeth is generic crap. Read his posts on my reviews of Opeth's albums on sputnik. He's clearly an Opeth fan too, and so your criteria for dismissing his opinion is rendered rather moot, since you clearly in the end just being overly elitist.
Your rationale for this behavior doesn't wash, Flynn, because you haven't only treated toaster this way. You've been treating tons of people, some perfectly innocent posters, this way, and for all you know you've driven them away from ever posting in this thread again when their viewpoints could have enriched it. And in the end, you're just flat-out misguided in your thinking, and frankly, I don't really understand it.
Plus, what's with all the edits on the first few pages of the thread from a few days ago?
Flynn
10-29-2005, 03:26 AM
It does so make sense. Clearly he's referencing the idea that the twin-guitar harmonies on Orchid and Morningrise may be considered to be generic, representative of the era in which Opeth came out, and at the very least nothing so special because of how overdone that sound became. I tend to agree, to an extent: I feel as though that the parts themselves are effective, but that on the whole the compositional tightness leaves a lot to be desired: generally it's quite unfocused, the production is bad, the vocals and transitions are amateur and undeveloped.
I happen to think Orchid is legendary, not to mention Morningrise is even greater as a whole. See, there are 2 kinds of musicians on this planet. The kind that live to play the music in their souls, and the kind that follow other's tastes. This is serious, I'm not being a smartass, seriously...who are you?
I happen to think Orchid is legendary, not to mention Morningrise is even greater as a whole. See, there are 2 kinds of musicians on this planet. The kind that live to play the music in their souls, and the kind that follow other's tastes. This is serious, I'm not being a smartass, seriously...who are you?
This is what I mean. The first part of that paragraph is great. The second part is pure idiocy. You can't judge a person based on their music choice. I'm sure you wouldn't like people labelling death metal as "just noise for satanists".
I happen to think Orchid is legendary, not to mention Morningrise is even greater as a whole. See, there are 2 kinds of musicians on this planet. The kind that live to play the music in their souls, and the kind that follow other's tastes. This is serious, I'm not being a smartass, seriously...who are you?
The former. And you don't have to be a musician to be passionate about music.
Flynn
10-29-2005, 03:36 AM
This is what I mean. The first part of that paragraph is great. The second part is pure idiocy. You can't judge a person based on their music choice. I'm sure you wouldn't like people labelling death metal as "just noise for satanists".
The second part is truth. It's a quote from famous musician. Riva, I don't know what your problem is, but it seems no matter what I type, you attack me. Do you even like Opeth?
The former. And you don't have to be a musician to be passionate about music.
Basically you're saying you don't know anything about music, but you still want to be a critic... that makes sense. I can make a good grilled cheese sandwich, maybe I should become a machinist. Cain, you suck at flaming me. You've been doing this since I started this thread. Ket off my kool-aid.
The second part is truth. It's a quote from famous musician. Riva, I don't know what your problem is, but it seems no matter what I type, you attack me. Do you even like Opeth?
What does this have to do with anything? Just because it's from a famous musician doesn't make it truth. :rolleyes:
Basically you're saying you don't know anything about music, but you still want to be a critic... that makes sense. I can make a good grilled cheese sandwich, maybe I should become a machinist. Cain, you suck at flaming me. You've been doing this since I started this thread. Ket off my kool-aid.
This makes literally no sense. Just because you don't play music doesn't mean you can't appreciate it and understand its intricacy, or the talent required to create it. To suggest otherwise is pure foolishness.
Secondly, by your standards, I know quite a lot about music, since I play guitar and have a degree of proficiency at it. But that doesn't even matter, really, since I am just as passionate a listener as I am a player. And this just goes to show that making an assumption about someone based on something they say just makes an *** of yourself.
And please do me a favor and show me how I've been "flaming you" since you started the thread.
Flynn
10-29-2005, 03:44 AM
What does this have to do with anything?
If you can read, and stop being ignorant, you know exactly what is means.
This makes literally no sense. And please do me a favor and show me how I've been "flaming you" since you started the thread.
Read the pages, are you that braindead, you can't remember? Go away, you never have anything nice to say on this thread. You're always contradicting someones opinion or arguing about some other band that has nothing to do with Opeth. Go away.
If you can read, and stop being ignorant, you know exactly what is means.
Read the pages, are you that braindead, you can't remember? Go away, you never have anything nice to say on this thread. You're always contradicting someones opinion or arguing about some other band that has nothing to do with Opeth. Go away.
See my edits. I'm not going to go away: I'm a huge fan of Opeth and I love discussing them.
My posting history in this thread goes way back before I started disagreeing with you, BTW. And if you're referring to the time that I mentioned Nickelback and you got all confused, it was because the comparison by Route~1 (I believe) that I was responding to originally read something like "Nickeback are more talented than Opeth" and elucidated afterward about how that would be a "wrong" opinion (this was within the first disagreement I had with you over you bashing Roadrunner). But then he ninja-edited it to read something like "killing people is good." This does not mean I spend all my time arguing about some band other than Opeth.
As you can see, I am not braindead, and actually remember the incident quite well. I notice, however, that you were somehow too braindead to remember it yourself and criticize me specifically instead of with vague accusations.
As for contradicting others' opinions: isn't that what discussion is all about? Isn't that the point of the forums? Isn't that the point of the thread? Or is it just to cream all over Orchid and Morningrise over and over again? Somehow, I don't think so. And what, precisely, is it that you have been doing recently in such a negative fashion with regard to Ghost Reveries?
Britton
10-29-2005, 03:51 AM
I'm not sure how all this started I've only read the last page...but I have to
say that neither of you are getting anywhere with you're arguments. and You don't to play a instrement to know music.
My girlfriend is incredible with theory and she has never played a instrement
The second part is truth. It's a quote from famous musician. Riva, I don't know what your problem is, but it seems no matter what I type, you attack me. Do you even like Opeth?
You used to be a good poster. Now you aren't. I don't get it. And I already said that I liked Opeth. And I explained my presence in this thread.
I'm giving you a day to cool off. If Cain doesn't stop, he'll get a day also.
Hells Bells
10-29-2005, 04:20 AM
NP - When. :cool: I haven't given My Arms....it's due.
Awesome song, and it's even better live :cool:
We got to the show like half an hour late, only to find out that they hadn't even started letting people in. After waiting in a lineup that wrapped around the block, we finally got in and the show started....an hour late. The opening band (Fireball Ministries) was pretty decent, I'll check out some of their stuff after this.
When Nevermore came on, they made up for Gigantour and then some. This time you could actually hear Warrel Dane, they didn't forget a song, and they weren't confined to a 20 minute set in the corner of the stage. By now, the crowd stopped being nice (luckily I was at the front by then), and everyone pushed forward until we were crammed like sardines. If you lifted your arm, there was no room to put it back down, and you couldn't headbang without hitting the person in front of you. They started with Born, and the crowd went as wild as they could considering the fact that no one could move. I remember Acid Words, Seven Tongues of God, This Godless Endeavor ("...and now we're going to bore the hell out of you with a really long song..."), Enemies of Reality, and some other stuff off their new album that I recognized but can't remember the name.
And then, Opeth :D
I felt like I was going to a comedy show the way Mike Akerfeld kept cracking jokes through the whole set. The setlist was pretty much the same as everyone else's, which made me happy.
Baying of the Hounds
(And this next song, we might have played before, we might not have, but I can't remember because I have the memory of a goldfish.)
When
The Face of Melinda
Bleak
Deliverance
Before In My Time of Need, he started giving the crowd a growling lesson (Alrighty everyone, repeat after me: GRAWWWWRRRLLLL!!!! Excellent, now just the ladies.....)
He randomly started playing stuff by Lynyrd Skynyrd in between one of the songs, and talking about how much he loved Canadian artists, like Rush...and Celine Dion...(And we actually have her here with us tonight, would everyone please welcome Celine Dion to the stage! *Peter Lindgren steps forward*). And then he got the guy filling in for Martin Lopez to demonstrate some typical death metal beats...the first one actually was something you'd here in death metal, the second one was from a song by AC/DC...heh...and the third one was from Blackwater Park. He got the drummer (Gene?) to repeat it, and told everyone that he was going to teach them how to headbang, (...especially the people who are afraid of ruining their hair and won't move....pansies), and then told us to do that straight for the next 13 minutes, which is about how long Blackwater Park was.
Then, they finished, walked off the stage, and the crowd cheered, and waited for a long, long time. Opeth made us work for our encore, which was Demon of the Fall...all insane chaos broke loose, and the crowd turned into a sea of banging heads...literally a sea, everyone around me was sweating buckets. Afterwards, Mike walked up to the crowd at the end and waved the pick like a bone over dogs, like a foot over where everyone could reach and just watched us all jump with a big smile across his face. Opeth went off stage, for good this time, and we got out of the venue as fast as we could...by then the place had turned in to a sauna and you couldn't breathe. Anyway, it was a wicked show, and I'm definitely gonna see them when they come back in February :D
The Brad
10-29-2005, 05:45 AM
I've read that book..... BUT I feel you're fishing in the wrong pond here. People in this thread are barely willing to discuss Opeth much less discuss Opeth lyrics and compare them to other literature. But if you're going to go for it the realize the burden of creating/facilating discussion is placed on your shoulders, no else will start the process--I can almost guarentee that from personal experience.
Also keep in mind that there may not even be enough people who have read the book to even bother posting about it. A good alternative would be discuss the lyrics of Ghost Reveries by themselves. From what I can tell the lyrics aren't really well written and the story isn't particular gripping this time around.
Yeah, there was a degree in hesitancy in posting that and trying to bring up literary and lyrical discussion. But I just thought I'd throw it out there just in case, y'know? I retract my former statements.
shamed-angel
10-29-2005, 06:07 AM
Seriously, if I was flaming someone, I'd be banned. Period. I'm simply stating my views on different Opeth albums. I don't want to cause drama, read the first page. I just get sick of posters typing ignorance. The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed. It makes me angry, especially when they put ignorance in the mouths of others. I understand if people come here and state ''FACE OF MELINDA!!'' or '' I LOVE THE LEPPER AFFINITY!! YEAH!'' That's different, but you have to stop defending ignorance. How someone can say Orchid is crap on this thread is blasphemy. And yes, he meant it. So I'm sorry if I offended anyone defending my point of view, my personal opinion is that Orchid is legend. It won't happen again.
But this is the thread where you talk about Opeth. Not the thread where you come in and suck the juice out of whatever crevice you may wish. You state your opinion on them... I think you're the ignorant poster, not him.
Toaster
10-29-2005, 08:55 AM
Awesome song, and it's even better live :cool:
And then, Opeth :D
I felt like I was going to a comedy show the way Mike Akerfeld kept cracking jokes through the whole set. The setlist was pretty much the same as everyone else's, which made me happy.
Baying of the Hounds
(And this next song, we might have played before, we might not have, but I can't remember because I have the memory of a goldfish.)
When
The Face of Melinda
Bleak
Deliverance
Before In My Time of Need, he started giving the crowd a growling lesson (Alrighty everyone, repeat after me: GRAWWWWRRRLLLL!!!! Excellent, now just the ladies.....)
:lol: I really want to see Opeth again now. I love Mikael's stage prescence, he's so subdued yet he manages to be hilarious and captivating all the time. Was the show in Canada, or did he just say he liked Canadian music for no reason? I'm glad they still play Demon of the Fall as an encore, too.
Stormrider
10-29-2005, 09:18 AM
My brother is lucky. He going to see them later tonight. Im fairly new to Opeth but still...i wish i could see them.
Dannyboy15
10-29-2005, 09:57 AM
Does anyone else like the song "Roads" on the Roadrunner United album. I think its a cool song but Mikael should have played the acoustic part instead of type-o's keyboardist.
strat
10-29-2005, 11:27 AM
Awesome song, and it's even better live :cool:
We got to the show like half an hour late, only to find out that they hadn't even started letting people in. After waiting in a lineup that wrapped around the block, we finally got in and the show started....an hour late. The opening band (Fireball Ministries) was pretty decent, I'll check out some of their stuff after this.
When Nevermore came on, they made up for Gigantour and then some. This time you could actually hear Warrel Dane, they didn't forget a song, and they weren't confined to a 20 minute set in the corner of the stage. By now, the crowd stopped being nice (luckily I was at the front by then), and everyone pushed forward until we were crammed like sardines. If you lifted your arm, there was no room to put it back down, and you couldn't headbang without hitting the person in front of you. They started with Born, and the crowd went as wild as they could considering the fact that no one could move. I remember Acid Words, Seven Tongues of God, This Godless Endeavor ("...and now we're going to bore the hell out of you with a really long song..."), Enemies of Reality, and some other stuff off their new album that I recognized but can't remember the name.
And then, Opeth :D
I felt like I was going to a comedy show the way Mike Akerfeld kept cracking jokes through the whole set. The setlist was pretty much the same as everyone else's, which made me happy.
Baying of the Hounds
(And this next song, we might have played before, we might not have, but I can't remember because I have the memory of a goldfish.)
When
The Face of Melinda
Bleak
Deliverance
Before In My Time of Need, he started giving the crowd a growling lesson (Alrighty everyone, repeat after me: GRAWWWWRRRLLLL!!!! Excellent, now just the ladies.....)
He randomly started playing stuff by Lynyrd Skynyrd in between one of the songs, and talking about how much he loved Canadian artists, like Rush...and Celine Dion...(And we actually have her here with us tonight, would everyone please welcome Celine Dion to the stage! *Peter Lindgren steps forward*). And then he got the guy filling in for Martin Lopez to demonstrate some typical death metal beats...the first one actually was something you'd here in death metal, the second one was from a song by AC/DC...heh...and the third one was from Blackwater Park. He got the drummer (Gene?) to repeat it, and told everyone that he was going to teach them how to headbang, (...especially the people who are afraid of ruining their hair and won't move....pansies), and then told us to do that straight for the next 13 minutes, which is about how long Blackwater Park was.
Then, they finished, walked off the stage, and the crowd cheered, and waited for a long, long time. Opeth made us work for our encore, which was Demon of the Fall...all insane chaos broke loose, and the crowd turned into a sea of banging heads...literally a sea, everyone around me was sweating buckets. Afterwards, Mike walked up to the crowd at the end and waved the pick like a bone over dogs, like a foot over where everyone could reach and just watched us all jump with a big smile across his face. Opeth went off stage, for good this time, and we got out of the venue as fast as we could...by then the place had turned in to a sauna and you couldn't breathe. Anyway, it was a wicked show, and I'm definitely gonna see them when they come back in February :D
It was an awesome awesome show. The Grand Conjuration PWNED live.
"This is a song about Satan. And we all know that everyone loves Satan"
:lol: I really want to see Opeth again now. I love Mikael's stage prescence, he's so subdued yet he manages to be hilarious and captivating all the time. Was the show in Canada, or did he just say he liked Canadian music for no reason? I'm glad they still play Demon of the Fall as an encore, too.
'We all know Canadian crowds are the best on this planet' *short pause* 'but you guys didn't show it tonight. Nahh, I'm kidding. You were fantastic'.
-Mikael Akerfeldt
I liked how he kept referring to Demon of the Fall as 'c0ck rock' and 'horny music'.
I liked how he kept referring to Demon of the Fall as 'c0ck rock' and 'horny music'.
Well, duh.
Man, this thread suddenly seems a lot less tense. I wonder why :p ?
I wanted to apologize for all that crap last night. I admittedly was fed up and persisted in reporting Flynn and continued going after him on his points long after I should have gone to bed and just have been done with it. I know that Riva was pretty much as annoyed with me as he became with Flynn, so once again, I apologize. It wasn't a unilateral thing of Flynn ruining the thread's atmosphere in this case: it was the both of us. I'm sorry, guys. :(
EDIT: And on a positive note, I see Opeth on Thursday. :D
Toaster
10-29-2005, 03:01 PM
I wanted to apologize for all that crap last night. I admittedly was fed up and persisted in reporting Flynn and continued going after him on his points long after I should have gone to bed and just have been done with it. I know that Riva was pretty much as annoyed with me as he became with Flynn, so once again, I apologize. It wasn't a unilateral thing of Flynn ruining the thread's atmosphere in this case: it was the both of us. I'm sorry, guys. :(
EDIT: And on a positive note, I see Opeth on Thursday. :D
I'm sure no one blames you. I sure appreiciated the backup. Things can easily get out of hand that late at night, the incident would be best forgotten I think.
Honestly, I think you were right in that argument. Hopefully Flynn will cool down a little, because he is one of the biggest fans here.
Toaster
10-29-2005, 03:17 PM
We all took it too far, let's leave it at that.
Who is Opeth touring with right now?
Firecracker
10-29-2005, 03:21 PM
They played Opeth's 'In My Time Of Need' before Dream Theater on monday, i was like 'oh i love this song, it's opeth!' and then my bf kept talking over it saying opeth were really rubbish live when he saw them at download.
Toaster
10-29-2005, 03:23 PM
They played Opeth's 'In My Time Of Need' before Dream Theater on monday, i was like 'oh i love this song, it's opeth!' and then my bf kept talking over it saying opeth were really rubbish live when he saw them at download.
Yeah a lot of people say Opeth have no live energy.. I think they have loads of energy, just not the standard headbanging type most other modern metal bands have. Opeth are a far better live act when you like their music, if you dislike Opeth's music their live show can seem boring.
Firecracker
10-29-2005, 03:28 PM
I like that particular song, but i don't want to listen to others. It's like when i first got into Dream Theater, i didn't want to listen to anything other than 'In The Name Of God' because i thought, if i didn't like the rest of it, i would like that song less, and i didn't want that to happen because i liked that song so much.
Maybe i should give them another chance.
i am the robots
10-29-2005, 03:29 PM
I am still fecking excited about Monday night.
But the energy goes into the music, not the show, so it's all good.
I wanted to apologize for all that crap last night. I admittedly was fed up and persisted in reporting Flynn and continued going after him on his points long after I should have gone to bed and just have been done with it. I know that Riva was pretty much as annoyed with me as he became with Flynn, so once again, I apologize. It wasn't a unilateral thing of Flynn ruining the thread's atmosphere in this case: it was the both of us. I'm sorry, guys. :(
EDIT: And on a positive note, I see Opeth on Thursday. :D
It's OK, you weren't being a dick like he was.
And I don't get to see Opeth on this tour :upset: If my fall break were taking place a week later I'd be home in Philly on Halloween when they're playing, but I'm not...and that's 5 hours away. :upset:
The Flabbit Rides High
10-29-2005, 06:38 PM
I wanted to apologize for all that crap last night. I admittedly was fed up and persisted in reporting Flynn and continued going after him on his points long after I should have gone to bed and just have been done with it. I know that Riva was pretty much as annoyed with me as he became with Flynn, so once again, I apologize. It wasn't a unilateral thing of Flynn ruining the thread's atmosphere in this case: it was the both of us. I'm sorry, guys. :(
EDIT: And on a positive note, I see Opeth on Thursday. :D
I admire you for you grace and tolerance. That is something I would not have been able to do.
We all took it too far, let's leave it at that.
Who is Opeth touring with right now?
I would also like to praise you for your calm and cool under all that pressure, esspecially since you are a new user.
I would also like to say that I stopped posting in this thread because of all the "right opinions" that were controlling everything. But im glad everything is now back to normal, or close. I will now do my duty and try to participate in this thread as much as I possibly can.
But thats pretty darn hard since the most popular topic here seems to be the live shows which I will probably never experience since i live in South Africa.
I do envy you guys. Soooooo badly. :upset:
But I would like to add that I listened to the song Blackwater park for once ina long time, and it was ace. That is surely one of their best songs ever. The ending is just brilliant.:)
But I would like to add that I listened to the song Blackwater park for once ina long time, and it was ace. That is surely one of their best songs ever. The ending is just brilliant.:)
Quoted for Truf.
Hells Bells
10-29-2005, 07:35 PM
I really want to see Opeth again now. I love Mikael's stage prescence, he's so subdued yet he manages to be hilarious and captivating all the time. Was the show in Canada, or did he just say he liked Canadian music for no reason? I'm glad they still play Demon of the Fall as an encore, too.
Mikael's dry sense of humor rocks :p Nope, the show was in Toronto. Also, like Mikael said, they're coming back in February, go see them then.
It was an awesome awesome show. The Grand Conjuration PWNED live.
"This is a song about Satan. And we all know that everyone loves Satan"
:lol:
And that song is wicked live.
/NP The Grand Conjuration...ahhh memories :D
We all took it too far, let's leave it at that.
Who is Opeth touring with right now?
Their west coast North American tour was with Pelican, and currently they're touring with Nevermore.
But the energy goes into the music, not the show, so it's all good.
Exactly, and you can really see that with the way the fans react to it :p
How's Lopez's replacement?
Rounder
10-29-2005, 09:18 PM
I have this song i got from my brother but it is labeled wrong I Think. Its labeled Orchidia, but I dont think that is an Opeth song. Its about 3:22 in length, and its instrumental. It starts out with a shuffle played on a distorted guitar by itself then the band kicks in. My bet is that it is Epilogue. Anyone know what it is? Lots of drumming chops played over fairly straightforward rhythms and there is a child's laugh near the end.
Det_Nosnip
10-29-2005, 09:40 PM
How's Lopez's replacement?
Decent. He pretty much plays the songs note for note as they were on the album...although the fact that Lopez DOESN'T is what I like about him as a player. There were a few instances where you could kinda tell Martin (yes, the new guy is ANOTHER Martin) was starting to drift slightly, and Mendez kinda knocked him back in (this was very slight, and as a drummer, I was probably the only one there not on stage who noticed). Still, for a fill in, Martin 3 is performing great and he wasn't weak in areas that I was afraid he would be (the soft sections). I was looking forward to seeing Lopez's new setup, though...I'm almost 99% sure that those fills leading into the choruses of "Grand Conjuration" are actually played on bongos...they tend to sound alot like that when played on with sticks. No bongos at my show, unfortunately. :(
Anyways, I'm really hooked on My Arms...Your Hearse. I think I'm finally starting to get what everyone is saying about it....previously, it hadn't really done much for me, but it's really starting to grow. It's a very unique album, even for an Opeth record.
Shadows
10-29-2005, 09:41 PM
MAYH was my favorite Opeth for a while. Great stuff.
Damn them, what the hell is their fetish for Martins??
Shattered_Future
10-29-2005, 09:53 PM
I hope Webster Hall blows up Wednesday. :evil:
Stupid 18+ requirement...
Have fun Cain. Be sure to bring back lots of details.
Toaster
10-29-2005, 10:06 PM
Decent. He pretty much plays the songs note for note as they were on the album...although the fact that Lopez DOESN'T is what I like about him as a player. There were a few instances where you could kinda tell Martin (yes, the new guy is ANOTHER Martin) was starting to drift slightly, and Mendez kinda knocked him back in (this was very slight, and as a drummer, I was probably the only one there not on stage who noticed). Still, for a fill in, Martin 3 is performing great and he wasn't weak in areas that I was afraid he would be (the soft sections). I was looking forward to seeing Lopez's new setup, though...I'm almost 99% sure that those fills leading into the choruses of "Grand Conjuration" are actually played on bongos...they tend to sound alot like that when played on with sticks. No bongos at my show, unfortunately. :(
Anyways, I'm really hooked on My Arms...Your Hearse. I think I'm finally starting to get what everyone is saying about it....previously, it hadn't really done much for me, but it's really starting to grow. It's a very unique album, even for an Opeth record.
I've never totally liked Lopez live.. for the reasons you mentioned. He has tended to speed up sometimes, and the looser feel he has live makes me feel a bit uncomfortable, if that makes sense. His beats are awesome though.
I hope Webster Hall blows up Wednesday. :evil:
Stupid 18+ requirement...
Have fun Cain. Be sure to bring back lots of details.
:lol: That's not very nice.
And the show is on Thursday, but I guess it's not that ingrained in your mind since you're not going... ;)
And I will surely bring back lots of details. I'm going with a few friends, so that should be nice.
Det_Nosnip
10-30-2005, 01:55 AM
I've never totally liked Lopez live.. for the reasons you mentioned. He has tended to speed up sometimes, and the looser feel he has live makes me feel a bit uncomfortable, if that makes sense. His beats are awesome though.
*shrug* I just find it really boring when bands play live exactly like they do on record.
i am the robots
10-30-2005, 01:05 AM
I agree with Det in this case.
Moses
10-30-2005, 01:11 AM
Isn't Flynn a girl?
@ the people saying "he was the one being a dick".
Isn't Flynn a girl?
@ the people saying "he was the one being a dick".
Really? That seems odd for some reason.
i am the robots
10-30-2005, 01:24 AM
Isn't Flynn a girl?
@ the people saying "he was the one being a dick".
If so, it would explain his/her overly emotional response to things he/she ever disagrees with.
If so, it would explain his/her overly emotional response to things he/she ever disagrees with.
That's a bit of an unfair stereotype, don't you think? Plenty of guys get overly emotional about disagreements too.
shamed-angel
10-30-2005, 04:02 AM
That's a bit of an unfair stereotype, don't you think? Plenty of guys get overly emotional about disagreements too.
Hence the fact that everyone thought it was a guy....
epihasi
10-30-2005, 05:41 AM
Anyway, Hey all. Which song(s) would you guys absolutely love to see live, if you could choose. Mine would probably be:
-The moor
-April Ethereal
-Night an the silent water (Although, the chance of that happening is zero)
-To bid you farewell
-Windowpane
-Blackwater park
-Still day beneath the sun
-Patterns in the Ivy II
-Forest of October
-Serenity painted Death
shamed-angel
10-30-2005, 05:51 AM
Mine would have to be:-
The Grand Conjuration
To Bid You Farewell
Demon of The Fall
Wreath
Black Rose Immortal
Harvest
Dirge for November
When I saw them, they didn't play anything earlier than BWP, which was a bit gay. We were all chanting for Demon of the Fall at the end, but they played A Fair Judgement instead. Which was class. It was in Shepherds Bush Empire BTW. It got filmed for Lamentations :p I ;put harvest there because I didn't really know the song when I saw them and I'd love to see them play it now knowing the words and stuff.
:lol: These "which Opeth songs do you love" lists are never gonna end, are they?
Personally, I'm hoping for a minimum of Deliverance and Blackwater Park (except for the highlights) and a few Ghost Reveries tracks and stuff from Still Life and MAYH.
I would also love a Morningrise track or two, but I doubt they'd play it.
Four more days. :D
Killtacular
10-30-2005, 12:29 PM
*shrug* I just find it really boring when bands play live exactly like they do on record.
*cough* DT's Live At Budokan!! *cough cough*
I have this song i got from my brother but it is labeled wrong I Think. Its labeled Orchidia, but I dont think that is an Opeth song. Its about 3:22 in length, and its instrumental. It starts out with a shuffle played on a distorted guitar by itself then the band kicks in. My bet is that it is Epilogue. Anyone know what it is? Lots of drumming chops played over fairly straightforward rhythms and there is a child's laugh near the end.
It's Orchidia by Porcupine Tree. It's from the Futile EP. Good song.
My ideal Opeth live set (off the top of my head, not carefully considered) would be:
The Moor
Harvest
Bleak
A Fair Judgement
Any Damnation song
The Grand Conjuration
Face of Melinda
Advent
Encore: Blackwater Park
Shattered_Future
10-30-2005, 12:49 PM
I have no idea what mine would be...
It would include, though:
The Leper Affinity
Bleak
By The Pain I See In Others
Forest Of October
anything except To Bid You Farewell from Morningrise
Harvest
Windowpane
The Grand Conjuration
The Mire
Demon Of The Fall
ok lateralus
10-30-2005, 01:35 PM
mine would be:
Black Rose Immortal
Demon of the Fall
The Moor
The Leper Affinity
A Fair Judgement
Deliverance
In Mist She Was Standing
The Drapery Falls
Ghost of Perdition
Windowpane
the2stranger
10-30-2005, 01:40 PM
ooh
list time :)
The Moor
Ghost Of Perdition
Deliverance
A Fair Judgement
In My Time Of Need
Weakness
Blackwater Park
The Drapery Falls
Advent
When
encore
Demon Of The fall
Blackwater Park definitely seems like it would be a better encore than Demon. Longer, and the ending is intense instead of winding down and mellowing out.
If they did TWO encores, Demon would be good for the first one.
Mine would be:
Blackwater park
A Fair Judgement
The Baying Of The Hounds
Benighted
The Night And The Silent Water
To Bid Your Farewell
Bleak
Windowpane
When
Harvest
Black rose Immortal
The Leper Affinity
the2stranger
10-30-2005, 02:17 PM
Blackwater Park definitely seems like it would be a better encore than Demon. Longer, and the ending is intense instead of winding down and mellowing out.
If they did TWO encores, Demon would be good for the first one.
but they always play Demon Of The Fall as encore.
when I saw them they played:
BWP
encore
Demon Of The Fall
which is great too :)
WideAsleep
10-30-2005, 02:39 PM
The Toronto Opeth show on friday was increadable, the setlist was
Baying of the Hounds
When
Bleak
In my Time of Need
Grand Conjuration
Face of Melinda
Deliverance
Blackwater Park
Demon of the Fall
i might be missing a song,
Mr. Ron
10-30-2005, 02:54 PM
GAAHHHHH!!!! I'm so jealous. All the tickets were sold out before I could buy one.:evil:
Flynn
10-30-2005, 04:39 PM
The Toronto Opeth show on friday was increadable, the setlist was
Baying of the Hounds
When
Bleak
In my Time of Need
Grand Conjuration
Face of Melinda
Deliverance
Blackwater Park
Demon of the Fall
i might be missing a song,
They played Bleak? I would kill to hear that song live.
the2stranger
10-30-2005, 04:51 PM
They played Bleak? I would kill to hear that song live.
I have a live version of it.
why were you banned actualy?
I have a live version of it.
HIT ME UP. Mistergroovy1023@gmail.com
WideAsleep
10-30-2005, 06:06 PM
in my opinion they sound way better live, face of melinda was done amazingly, i cant get the song out of my head. i think they are coming back in February, im deffinitly getting tickets for that show.
TojesDolan
10-30-2005, 06:09 PM
HIT ME UP. Mistergroovy1023@gmail.com
send it to me as well, man. That should be sweet.
orlando677 @hotmail.com
Oh man send it to me also the vid. please.
Mikec2490@hotmail.com
CHeers.
Flynn
10-30-2005, 06:50 PM
I have a live version of it.
why were you banned actualy?
Crazy, Last time I was posting here, I was talking about wanting to hear songs from Orchid and Morningrise live, I didn't even do anything wrong according to the rules and regulations, are you sure I was banned? I have been away all weekend, haven't had access to a PC. Oh well, doesn't matter anyways. Where is the live version of Bleak taken? I want to check that out.
They played Bleak? I would kill to hear that song live.
They seem to be playing it at about half the shows.
Flynn
10-30-2005, 06:58 PM
I would love to hear Bleak at their show. I really want to hear how they compose it live.
I have an awesome live version of Bleak on my computer.
Toaster
10-30-2005, 07:16 PM
I would love to hear Bleak at their show. I really want to hear how they compose it live.
Yeah, me too. There are so many overdubs on that song, its insane.
Could someone send it to me possibly? Thanks in advance.
bananaman__@hotmail.com
Yeah, me too. There are so many overdubs on that song, its insane.
Could someone send it to me possibly? Thanks in advance.
bananaman__@hotmail.com
What, the live version?
Let me upload it.
Darkness
10-30-2005, 07:26 PM
Seems I didn't miss much in my absense... what are these tour dates for Feb. that everyone keeps talking about??
Apparently they're doing another North American tour next year.
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