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DuncMaster
10-21-2005, 09:24 AM
about the tattoo: I'm kinda trying to talk myself out of wanting it. Maybe it's just a phase. We'll see. If I do get it, I'll post a pic :P
Ghost Reveries is a solid album. Ghost Reveries is the weakest album Opeth has ever recorded. I just get bored listening to it now. It's got it's moments, no doubt. Maybe I wore it out too soon and need some time away from it for a while, but I just think it's weak. Harlequin Forrest is the worst Opeth song ever. It's still good, but it's just boring after the first 5 or so minutes.
Which is it?
Ghost Reveries is excellent IMO. I also have BWP and Still Life.
lost_profits
10-21-2005, 03:07 PM
harlequin forest is directionless. easily the weakest song on Ghost Reveries.
Baying of the hounds, ghost of perdition, even beneath the mire have now all grown on me. The soft songs are pretty much flawless too.
Shadows
10-21-2005, 03:08 PM
Are you kidding? Reverie/Harlequin Forest is one of the best on that album. The vocals are incredible.
harlequin forest is directionless. easily the weakest song on Ghost Reveries.
Baying of the hounds, ghost of perdition, even beneath the mire have now all grown on me. The soft songs are pretty much flawless too.
Oh man, this is my favorite GR song how can you say that?.....i love the song.
spacemanjack
10-21-2005, 03:36 PM
I third that motion, Harlequin Forest is my favorite track on GR.
Anyone else absolutely dazzled by the part of Baying of the Hounds that starts at 5:40? In my book that is right up there with any other part they've done, maybe my favorite riff in the whole Opeth catalog (taking over from the outro to Moonlapse Vertigo).......seeing that live almost made me cry.
bball_1523
10-21-2005, 05:06 PM
I third that motion, Harlequin Forest is my favorite track on GR.
Anyone else absolutely dazzled by the part of Baying of the Hounds that starts at 5:40? In my book that is right up there with any other part they've done, maybe my favorite riff in the whole Opeth catalog (taking over from the outro to Moonlapse Vertigo).......seeing that live almost made me cry.
Baying of the hounds is my favorite track off GR, and that part is my favorite part out of the entire cd. I can literally feel the music when the keyboard synth comes in and takes me into a heavenly trance. I especially love that keyboard part of that riff section. Easily one of the best Opeth riff/sections ever, period.
Darkness
10-21-2005, 05:11 PM
Baying Of The Hounds, Ghost Of Peridition, Beneath the Mire, in that order, are my favorite songs. :)
Hey, I'm seeing Opeth in a little under 4 hours, so I'm pretty psyched. Anyone who's been to a show on the current tour, what is the order of the bands? Who plays first? I need to know, because of ride arrangments, and if Fireball Ministry opens, then I won't mind being a little late.
bball_1523
10-21-2005, 05:20 PM
Hey, I'm seeing Opeth in a little under 4 hours, so I'm pretty psyched. Anyone who's been to a show on the current tour, what is the order of the bands? Who plays first? I need to know, because of ride arrangments, and if Fireball Ministry opens, then I won't mind being a little late.
I went to the Hollywood/LA show, and the opening band was "Eyes of fire" and they played for about 30-40 min.
here's a clip of the keyboard part of the amazing riff in "baying of the hounds."
Baying Keyboards (http://streamer.soundclick.com/jerry_DL/15/01/freemp3/apmusic+bayingkeyboard.mp3)
So it was an opening band, and then Pelican came on?
UpperDecker
10-21-2005, 06:10 PM
I love GR but it definitely isn't their best. Ghost of Perdition and Beneath The Mire are my favorite and Atonement and Hours of Wealth are my least favorite. Atonement is a good song there just seems to be alot of empty space in it. any comments?
Shadows
10-21-2005, 06:12 PM
Atonement is my least favorite on the album. I like every song on GR except that one. There's just something about it; too boring. It's like filler.
UpperDecker
10-21-2005, 06:14 PM
Atonement is my least favorite on the album. I like every song on GR except that one. There's just something about it; too boring. It's like filler.
yea, and there's that weird little riff they threw on the end for some reason. I do love that one drum beat in the song though. you know the one im talking about:naughty:
Shadows
10-21-2005, 06:18 PM
Actually I have no idea.
Darkness
10-21-2005, 06:21 PM
I find Isolation Years to be kinda crappy, its way to short and just kind of ends... weak ending for a CD IMO.
relliK
10-21-2005, 07:04 PM
I third that motion, Harlequin Forest is my favorite track on GR.
Anyone else absolutely dazzled by the part of Baying of the Hounds that starts at 5:40? In my book that is right up there with any other part they've done, maybe my favorite riff in the whole Opeth catalog (taking over from the outro to Moonlapse Vertigo).......seeing that live almost made me cry.
All man!Am I ever.Especially when the vocals come in.It makes me picture flames.I think of a scene from hell or something.I think that would make an awesome video.
Shadows
10-21-2005, 07:05 PM
I find Isolation Years to be kinda crappy, its way to short and just kind of ends... weak ending for a CD IMO.
Hours of Wealth is the only soft song on the album I seriously like. Isolation Years isn't too bad though.
Darkness
10-21-2005, 07:09 PM
Hours of Wealth was decent.
Seeing how this is the only thread I know with Pelican fans in it, I bought Australasia today and it's incredible.
Go buy it.
Shadows
10-21-2005, 08:29 PM
Very true. I had Australasia for a while, but I deleted it a while back. I should buy it.
I also got Agalloch's The Mantle, and anyone who doesn't have this album must buy it immediately.
Shadows
10-21-2005, 08:34 PM
I'm not familiar with Agalloch, unfortunately.
Incredible band, fans of Opeth should really check them out.
Det_Nosnip
10-21-2005, 09:29 PM
I third that motion, Harlequin Forest is my favorite track on GR.
The part where Mikael sings "It is all false pretension
Harlequin forest
Awaiting redemption for a lifetime
As they die alone
With no one by their side
Are they forgiven?" is pretty godly.
Darkness
10-21-2005, 09:47 PM
The part where Mikael sings "It is all false pretension
Harlequin forest
Awaiting redemption for a lifetime
As they die alone
With no one by their side
Are they forgiven?" is pretty godly.
It easily beats out the whole "what would they say if I was gay.." part in Godheads, IMO. I never really saw the magic there.
Mr. Ron
10-21-2005, 09:49 PM
It easily beats out the whole "what would they say if I was gay.." part in Godheads, IMO. I never really saw the magic there.
Huh? Did I miss something?
Darkness
10-21-2005, 09:51 PM
Huh? Did I miss something?
You know, the famous line "what would they care if I was gay, no one would know, hooooomoooooo!"...
Mr. Ron
10-21-2005, 09:54 PM
You know, the famous line "what would they care if I was gay, no one would know, hooooomoooooo!"...
Umm...I don't own that album....but that line seems unbelievable.
Darkness
10-21-2005, 09:57 PM
The real line is "What would they care if I did stay, no one would know, oooooOOOOOOOooooooo!"... and you don't own Still Life? :confused:
Mr. Ron
10-21-2005, 09:58 PM
The real line is "What would they care if I did stay, no one would know, oooooOOOOOOOooooooo!"... and you don't own Still Life? :confused:
Sadly....I don't. I can't find it ANYWHERE. I want it so bad. It's the only Opeth album I don't have.
Darkness
10-21-2005, 10:02 PM
Then download it, thats what I did when I couldn't find it..
Mr. Ron
10-21-2005, 10:04 PM
Then download it, thats what I did when I couldn't find it..
I might tomarrow actually.
Darkness
10-21-2005, 10:06 PM
Be prepared to hear 2 of the bands best ever recorded songs, The Moor and Face of Melinda. :D
Toaster
10-21-2005, 10:28 PM
I third that motion, Harlequin Forest is my favorite track on GR.
I almost hate that song actually. It is in the top three of Opeth's worst songs for me. The riffs are so devoid of effort or originality. I mean, when the drums stop and the lone guitar plays harmonics, it's just total dumbness. The lyrics don't help it at all for me, when he starts talking about the rotten trees reaching for the light, it bugs me. There is one great part though, right after he says "reaching for the light", and the two guitars play that melody. It meanders off into pointlessness after that, though.
Could someone just point out why they like the track the best out of obviously more thought-out songs like The Baying of the Hounds?
Mr. Ron
10-21-2005, 10:30 PM
I also got Agalloch's The Mantle, and anyone who doesn't have this album must buy it immediately.
Omg....I just downloaded their first album.....I do not have words to describe them...Wow.
Shadows
10-21-2005, 10:33 PM
I almost hate that song actually. It is in the top three of Opeth's worst songs for me. The riffs are so devoid of effort or originality. I mean, when the drums stop and the lone guitar plays harmonics, it's just total dumbness. The lyrics don't help it at all for me, when he starts talking about the rotten trees reaching for the light, it bugs me. There is one great part though, right after he says "reaching for the light", and the two guitars play that melody. It meanders off into pointlessness after that, though.
Could someone just point out why they like the track the best out of obviously more thought-out songs like The Baying of the Hounds?
Whether or not a song is well thought out or not is strongly opinion-based. I think Reverie/Harlequin Forest is just as well written as every other song on the album. I like The Baying of the Hounds a lot too, but it doesn't stand out among the other songs.
I almost hate that song actually. It is in the top three of Opeth's worst songs for me. The riffs are so devoid of effort or originality. I mean, when the drums stop and the lone guitar plays harmonics, it's just total dumbness. The lyrics don't help it at all for me, when he starts talking about the rotten trees reaching for the light, it bugs me. There is one great part though, right after he says "reaching for the light", and the two guitars play that melody. It meanders off into pointlessness after that, though.
Meh, I think that song is really good. If anything, the riffs in "Ghost of Perdition" are the ones that are weak.
TojesDolan
10-22-2005, 04:23 AM
Be prepared to hear 2 of the bands best ever recorded songs, The Moor and Face of Melinda. :D
I love Face of Melinda. It's the song I always play with my acoustic. :)
Six Foot Revolver
10-22-2005, 05:58 AM
Seeing how this is the only thread I know with Pelican fans in it, I bought Australasia today and it's incredible.
I only have random tracks by them but I will definately looke out for it :thumb:.
It easily beats out the whole "what would they say if I was gay.." part in Godheads, IMO. I never really saw the magic there.
:lol: Who made up that line in the first place?
And 'What would they care if I did stay' as a melody beats the crap out of Harlequin forest...and most Opeth melodies. It's definitely one of their best.
Flynn
10-22-2005, 10:32 AM
You know, the famous line "what would they care if I was gay, no one would know, hooooomoooooo!"...
Shut up please. Twisting lyrics around is blasphemy.
Darkness
10-22-2005, 10:51 AM
:lol: Who made up that line in the first place?
And 'What would they care if I did stay' as a melody beats the crap out of Harlequin forest...and most Opeth melodies. It's definitely one of their best.
I believe it was someone on the Opeth forum.
Shut up please. Twisting lyrics around is blasphemy.
Never!
Flynn
10-22-2005, 10:54 AM
And 'What would they care if I did stay' as a melody beats the crap out of Harlequin forest...and most Opeth melodies. It's definitely one of their best.
Yeah it is, Godheads Lament is tight.
Darkness
10-22-2005, 10:56 AM
I find it really cheesy sounding..
Killtacular
10-22-2005, 11:48 AM
Because you're from Kanaduh.
Hale_of_Gunfire
10-22-2005, 11:48 AM
The song bleak off of Blackwater Park is such an awesome song... Opeth is so awesome.
Shadows
10-22-2005, 12:52 PM
For the first time, I'm giving Blackwater Park a serious listen. I've heard the first two songs and now I'm half way through Harvest.
I'm already convinced that I will buy this album as soon as I get money.
Toaster
10-22-2005, 01:33 PM
For the first time, I'm giving Blackwater Park a serious listen. I've heard the first two songs and now I'm half way through Harvest.
I'm already convinced that I will buy this album as soon as I get money.
Oh, see I assumed when you said you liked Still Life better than BWP, you owned BWP. Guess not. *high and mighty face*:p
Shadows
10-22-2005, 01:36 PM
Oh, see I assumed when you said you liked Still Life better than BWP, you owned BWP. Guess not. *high and mighty face*:p
I have it downloaded. I've had it for a while, but never really payed attention to it. I also had it for a while a year or so ago.
EDIT: Harvest is now my favorite song in the world.
Det_Nosnip
10-22-2005, 03:16 PM
Seeing Opeth tonight. :cool: I had to switch shifts with someone and work a 5:00 AM shift this morning, but it'll be worth it, damn it!
Darkness
10-22-2005, 04:16 PM
Because you're from Kanaduh.
Yep. :thumb:
:upset:
Amazing show last night! Both Pelican and Opeth owned the place. The set list was pretty awesome, with their show overall pushing 2.5 hours. Not bad at all. :)
Baying of the Hounds
When
Bleak
In My Time Of Need
The Grand Conjuration
Face of Melinda
Deliverance
Blackwater Park
Encore: Demon of the Fall
Mike was pretty funny when he would talk in between songs. Weird guy, but very cool. Also, Per was the coolest; he looked like a wizard behind his keyboards. I was a little surprised to see him play some of the more floaty guitar riffs while Mike doubled the rhythm guitar part.
Darkness
10-22-2005, 04:27 PM
Sweet.. Face of Melinda + BWP = goodness.
Amazing show last night! Both Pelican and Opeth owned the place. The set list was pretty awesome, with their show overall pushing 2.5 hours. Not bad at all. :)
Baying of the Hounds
When
Bleak
In My Time Of Need
The Grand Conjuration
Face of Melinda
Deliverance
Blackwater Park
Encore: Demon of the Fall
Mike was pretty funny when he would talk in between songs. Weird guy, but very cool. Also, Per was the coolest; he looked like a wizard behind his keyboards. I was a little surprised to see him play some of the more floaty guitar riffs while Mike doubled the rhythm guitar part.
How is the crowd at a show like that?
I've never been to a real metal show before, and I don't want to get my head slammed in for either a.) not looking like a typical metal fan or b.) just unluckily being stationed near a rowdy spot. My instincts tell me that an Opeth show isn't really so rife with violent fan activity like others might be, but I'm not sure.
Shadows
10-22-2005, 04:49 PM
I really can't imagine Opeth being as energetic or violent as a usual metal show.
Nobody's going to do anything to you for not looking like a typical metalhead. :) I go to tons of metal shows, and nobody's said a thing to me, let alone hit me.
The unluckily rowdy spot is always a problem though. :( I always end up by one - people moshing right behind me and painfully slamming me into the barrier. It's worth it though.
Darkness
10-22-2005, 04:53 PM
The unluckily rowdy spot is always a problem though. :( I always end up by one - people moshing right behind me and painfully slamming me into the barrier. It's worth it though.
Because of this, at Sounds of The Underground, during the Grand Conguration people were screwing around right next to my bassist (who was right infront of Mikeal) and couldn't properly listen to the song. He regrets it to this day.
But just avoid those spots, and you'll be fine.
Mr. Ron
10-22-2005, 04:56 PM
So...I almost done downloading the whole still life album...
Poofy 666
10-22-2005, 04:57 PM
i wish i could catch them live...
GenuineImitation
10-22-2005, 07:06 PM
i wish i could catch them live...
Don't we all.
epihasi
10-22-2005, 08:05 PM
When
Face of Melinda
Blackwater Park
How were those songs live? That was the set of my dreams! Lucky bastard!
:D
Shadows
10-22-2005, 08:06 PM
On an unrelated note, The Amen Corner has a very unusual name. Does it have meaning?
Sixty Ton Angel
10-22-2005, 08:10 PM
Random question.
What level would you say you need to be to have any sort of chance of playing Opeth songs half well ?
The stuff I usually play is pretty easy and I'm wondering if i try some Opeth and I fail miserably is it because it's advanced or if I just need to practise more.
Thanks :)
Shadows
10-22-2005, 08:11 PM
Opeth really isn't difficult at all. Some of their solos may be a little challenging, but overall Mike prefers to play with style rather than technical skill. The only problem would be the length.
They have some different time signitures, but nothing too challenging.
Toaster
10-22-2005, 08:18 PM
Opeth really isn't difficult at all. Some of their solos may be a little challenging, but overall Mike prefers to play with style rather than technical skill. The only problem would be the length.
His accoustic playing is phenomenal. I'm a fairly accomplished electric player, but I have real trouble playing his fingerpicked lines with as much precision and control as he does. His electric playing is nothing special, although he has a lot of jazz-style emotion in his phrases.
Shadows
10-22-2005, 08:23 PM
His accoustic playing is phenomenal. I'm a fairly accomplished electric player, but I have real trouble playing his fingerpicked lines with as much precision and control as he does. His electric playing is nothing special, although he has a lot of jazz-style emotion in his phrases.
I noticed the very blues/jazz style in his electric playing, and I like it. I don't know about the acoustic though, I don't really distinguish between picking and finger style at first glance.
Darkness
10-22-2005, 08:27 PM
His accoustic playing is phenomenal. I'm a fairly accomplished electric player, but I have real trouble playing his fingerpicked lines with as much precision and control as he does. His electric playing is nothing special, although he has a lot of jazz-style emotion in his phrases.
Yes, he's an incredible acoustic player.
Shattered_Future
10-22-2005, 08:35 PM
Opeth uses really, REALLY weird chords at times.
That, and the fingerpicking is almost impossible.
Otherwise, the rest is pretty easy...
Opeth uses really, REALLY weird chords at times.
That, and the fingerpicking is almost impossible.
Otherwise, the rest is pretty easy...
A great example of this is the intro in WHEN.
If we just stick with the electric stuff though, it's not all that bad.
Darkness
10-22-2005, 08:47 PM
If we just stick with the electric stuff though, it's not all that bad.
Then your saying you should only stick to about half of the stuff they play. :p
Well, a little more then that..
How were those songs live? That was the set of my dreams! Lucky bastard!
:D
Great...FoM and BWP were the best songs of the night, bar none. Demon of the Fall was also awesome, but by the time they played it I was pretty wiped.
Then your saying you should only stick to about half of the stuff they play. :p
Well, a little more then that..
I'm just saying if we're just talking electric.
Just like you to twist my words around...
Darkness
10-22-2005, 08:57 PM
I just meen, if you only play Opeths electric stuff, your only playing just above half of their material.
Wow, you really don't like me do you? :upset:
Toaster
10-22-2005, 09:08 PM
It doesn't hurt to have huge fingers when playing Opeth, either. (Check out Patterns in the Ivy chords.)
I just meen, if you only play Opeths electric stuff, your only playing just above half of their material.
Wow, you really don't like me do you? :upset:
I kid, I kid, I love you. We have a little friendly tension and it's fun to exploit ir.
Darkness
10-22-2005, 09:52 PM
I kid, I kid, I love you. We have a little friendly tension and it's fun to exploit ir.
It is, but sometimes you just go to far. :upset:
:p :lol:
Flynn
10-22-2005, 10:37 PM
When I first learned how to play Karma, I realized that the song itself opens with jazz chords, but electrified. The chords throughout the entire song were new to me, and I've been playing for over 12 years. Some of the chord structures and scales on Karma I'm familiar with, especially the first acoustic break in the song...yet it's pretty difficult to play considering it's a finger-picking techinique, with 2 seperate tracks. If you can get that down finger-picking, major props (get a Martin). The solo after the interlude is easy, but eerie, really strange scale there. After the solo, crazy chords with lead come in i.e. ''the cold season..." the entire song as a whole is extremely intricate being it's basically broke down into several tracks. You can see a lot of this structure on the song Credence. The end riff is insane for the atmosphere especially when the double bass kicks in. It's easy to play after practice, but there are also 3 guitar tracks, 2 of which are on the left (mono) and the 3rd on the right in stereo. I can't believe Mikael played all guitars on this album, all guitars meaning bass also. My Arms, Your Hearse is magical.
Darkness
10-22-2005, 10:40 PM
Peter didn't play guitar on that cd?
i am the robots
10-22-2005, 10:55 PM
Apparently so, I knew that he did the bass because they had just kicked out Johan and Martin hadn't joined yet, but I didn't know Peter didn't either.
Darkness
10-22-2005, 10:56 PM
Apparently so, I knew that he did the bass because they had just kicked out Johan and Martin hadn't joined yet, but I didn't know Peter didn't either.
Yeah, thats what I thought to.
i am the robots
10-22-2005, 10:59 PM
Speaking of Johan, it sucks *** that he was an alchoholic, because he was an amazing bassist, same thing sucks with Martin Lopez and his cochaine problems now.
Toaster
10-22-2005, 11:01 PM
Speaking of Johan, it sucks *** that he was an alchoholic, because he was an amazing bassist, same thing sucks with Martin Lopez and his cochaine problems now.
Is that why he's not touring? I read some things about "blood problems", but drugs seem far more likely.
Darkness
10-22-2005, 11:03 PM
I heard it was a blood disease that he's had all his life..?
Killtacular
10-22-2005, 11:04 PM
same thing sucks with Martin Lopez and his cocaine problems now.
..What was that?
Shadows
10-22-2005, 11:05 PM
Martin has a cocaine problem? :confused:
i am the robots
10-22-2005, 11:10 PM
Yeah, when I went to see Meshuggah, there was a dude who was a rep with Porcupine Tree in the states there, and he was talking to my one friend, and that came up in their conversation.
Flynn
10-22-2005, 11:11 PM
No he doesn't. Stop spreading rumors, it's ignorant.
Darkness
10-22-2005, 11:11 PM
Hm.. kinda hard to believe.. but very well could be true.. Notice how red his eyes are on the latest pictures under bios at the website..
i am the robots
10-22-2005, 11:12 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Lopez
Dude, be a fanboy all you want, but it's freaking true.
Toaster
10-22-2005, 11:14 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Lopez
Dude, be a fanboy all you want, but it's freaking true.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure those entries can be made by anyone..so that's not proving anything, really.
Shadows
10-22-2005, 11:14 PM
It says RUMORS are being spread that it MAY be cocaine.
It's possible, but I think it's very unlikely.
Flynn
10-22-2005, 11:15 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Lopez
Dude, be a fanboy all you want, but it's freaking true.
''Rumors have also been circulating that Lopez's infrequent problems (such as a panic attack on Opeth's "Lamentation" tour) and diagnosis with blood poisoning may be the cause of a cocaine addiction.''
Like I said. Go rape a fire hydrant and stop supporting rumors, thanks.
i am the robots
10-22-2005, 11:15 PM
Look at pictures of the guy...
Flynn
10-23-2005, 01:12 AM
On an unrelated note, The Amen Corner has a very unusual name. Does it have meaning?
That's a golf term isn't it?
TheCrimsonKing
10-23-2005, 06:17 PM
I saw opeth last night. It was a pretty good concert. Played tons of great songs! Didnt play ghost of perdition or windowpane like i wanted them too though :(. Oh well. they still did an amazing concert with tons of great songs!
Shadows
10-23-2005, 06:29 PM
That's a golf term isn't it?
I don't know.
NP: Harvest, I can't seem to stop listening to it. :)
Darkness
10-23-2005, 07:17 PM
I don't know.
NP: Harvest, I can't seem to stop listening to it. :)
Probably my least favorite off of BWP... I actually prefer Patterns to this song.
Shadows
10-23-2005, 07:30 PM
That's unfortunate. Patterns is good, but I just can't get Harvest out of my head. That along with Leper Affinity.
Toaster
10-23-2005, 07:30 PM
Just finished review of Nevermore, check it out.
I know it's low down and dirty, but it gets results. :)
Darkness
10-23-2005, 07:53 PM
Just finished review of Nevermore, check it out.
I know it's low down and dirty, but it gets results. :)
Link me up.
Toaster
10-23-2005, 07:55 PM
Link me up.
http://www.sputnikmusic.com/album.php?reviewid=4051&genreid=4
Consider yourself link'd.
Darkness
10-23-2005, 08:03 PM
Just read it, good review dude. Thats the only Nevermore album I haven't heard.. and they're one of my favorite bands. Dreaming Neon Black seems to be my favorite, though that changes almost daily. :p
Shadows
10-23-2005, 08:04 PM
I think the new TGE is very capable of being considered their best, right alongside DNB.
Darkness
10-23-2005, 08:05 PM
I agree, thats a great album indeed.
Shadows
10-23-2005, 08:08 PM
NP: Bleak :eek:
I still don't quite get the hype around this song. It's great, but I think I like Leper Affinity and Dirge for November better.
And of course, Harvest.
Darkness
10-23-2005, 08:10 PM
NP: Bleak :eek:
I still don't quite get the hype around this song. It's great, but I think I like Leper Affinity and Dirge for November better.
And of course, Harvest.
Do you see this post Deth?!?! I'm not the only one who isn't in love with that song! The Leper Affinity, The Drapery Falls, and Blackwater Park pwn it with ease. :D
Flynn
10-23-2005, 08:12 PM
What hype about Bleak? I don't know hardly anyone that likes the song. It's one of my favorite Opeth songs. I like the structure of the song, it's unheard of. Especially when the bass line comes in at around 6:40, I lose myself in it every time. God that song is so mesmerizing. I love it.
Darkness
10-23-2005, 08:13 PM
Everyone here loves that song, except for me, and my new friend, ShadowsFallen. :D
Shadows
10-23-2005, 08:14 PM
What hype about Bleak? I don't know hardly anyone that likes the song. It's one of my favorite Opeth songs. I like the structure of the song, it's unheard of. Especially when the bass line comes in at around 6:40, I lose myself in it every time. God that song is so mesmerizing. I love it.
Most everyone seems to love it around here. There are sections of it that really hit me as incredible, but overall I think the other songs overshadow it.
I can't believe I used to hate this album. This is amazing.
ok lateralus
10-23-2005, 08:17 PM
I have to admit, after listening to GR today (and many other times), it's definitely their weakest album. I would say Orchid because it has one or two mediocre tracks but the vibe and some of the songs are so amazing. Its just that GR doesn't really feel THAT emotional or deep compared to, say, MAYH. The only real exceptions are GoP, BotH and Isolation years. Otherwise, Atonement, Hours of Wealth and Beneath the Mire are all great songs. The Grand Conjuration has some good moments. And R/HF really doesn't do it for me at all, very uninspired and the lyrics are kind of dumb at parts. Does anyone agree?
Flynn
10-23-2005, 08:17 PM
Most everyone seems to love it around here. There are sections of it that really hit me as incredible, but overall I think the other songs overshadow it.
I can't believe I used to hate this album. This is amazing.
Bleak means a lot to me. It amplified a tornado that hit this town a few years ago. When I hear it, I lose myself. It's such an incredible song. I can't believe people are bashing it. Oh well, ''To Each His Own'' :D
Shadows
10-23-2005, 08:20 PM
Bleak means a lot to me. It amplified a tornado that hit this town a few years ago. When I hear it, I lose myself. It's such an incredible song. I can't believe people are bashing it. Oh well, ''To Each His Own'' :D
Hahahah, I was just looking at that usertitle.
This album is really hitting me deep. The acoustic intro on Funeral Portrait is quite impressive, But for some reason, I keep coming back to one song.
Toaster
10-23-2005, 08:26 PM
Everyone here loves that song, except for me, and my new friend, ShadowsFallen. :D
Yeah, I don't see what's so good about it either.
Am I your friend now? :p
Shadows
10-23-2005, 08:28 PM
No, just me.
Flynn
10-23-2005, 08:28 PM
I have to admit, after listening to GR today (and many other times), it's definitely their weakest album. I would say Orchid because it has one or two mediocre tracks but the vibe and some of the songs are so amazing. Its just that GR doesn't really feel THAT emotional or deep compared to, say, MAYH. The only real exceptions are GoP, BotH and Isolation years. Otherwise, Atonement, Hours of Wealth and Beneath the Mire are all great songs. The Grand Conjuration has some good moments. And R/HF really doesn't do it for me at all, very uninspired and the lyrics are kind of dumb at parts. Does anyone agree?
One question, if you have time to type all of that, why don't you type the song names in full?
This album is really hitting me deep. The acoustic intro on Funeral Portrait is quite impressive, But for some reason, I keep coming back to one song.
The whole album is impressive, espicially Bleak. I can't count how many times I've listened to that song. I will never get sick of it. And I'm glad hardly anyone else likes it, it just makes it so much better.
Toaster
10-23-2005, 08:35 PM
Hahahah, I was just looking at that usertitle.
This album is really hitting me deep. The acoustic intro on Funeral Portrait is quite impressive, But for some reason, I keep coming back to one song.
I love the vocals on The Funeral Portrait. He sounds really, really angry for most of the song, and the heavy parts with screaming often come right after a clean break or interlude. It's better than Dirge IMO.
EDIT: What the hell is a Dirge?
Darkness
10-23-2005, 08:38 PM
Yeah, I don't see what's so good about it either.
Am I your friend now? :p
Nope, sorry just ShadowsFallen. :cool:
:lol: JK Ofcourse. As long as you like Face Of Melinda more then Godheads Lament, though. Same with you Shadows. :p
Flynn
10-23-2005, 08:40 PM
Nope, sorry just ShadowsFallen. :cool:
:lol: JK Ofcourse. As long as you like Face Of Melinda more then Godheads Lament, though. Same with you Shadows. :p
wow get off it. Read what you type dude.
Shadows
10-23-2005, 08:41 PM
I am kind of in the mood for some MAYH now.
NP: April Ethereal
Darkness
10-23-2005, 08:42 PM
wow get off it. Read what you type dude.
Sorry, I've been in a kind of crazy mood ever sine I found out I won that competition.. :p
Shadows
10-23-2005, 08:47 PM
Hey, this song is pretty good.
It almost makes up for the fact that I have to write a report for religion class. :(
ok lateralus
10-23-2005, 08:48 PM
Hey, this song is AMAZING
Fixd :D
Darkness
10-23-2005, 08:48 PM
Hey, this song is pretty good.
It almost makes up for the fact that I have to write a report for religion class. :(
Wow, I'm doing a report for religion class right now. We have to research different religions, my groups doing Scientology.
Shadows
10-23-2005, 08:50 PM
Wow, I'm doing a report for religion class right now. We have to research different religions, my groups doing Scientology.
Religion class would be my least favorite thing about going to a religiously-based school everything else I don't mind. I have to research a lost book that was rejected from the bible. Not too interesting.
Fixd :D
Hahaha, yep, it still doesn't rival my favorite song on the album though.
ok lateralus
10-23-2005, 08:50 PM
Hahaha, yep, it still doesn't rival my favorite song on the album though.
Let me guess.... When?
Shadows
10-23-2005, 08:51 PM
Let me guess.... When?
Demon of the Fall of course.
bball_1523
10-23-2005, 08:53 PM
who here likes serenity painted death? It has some of the best riffs I've heard opeth do. The intro just pulls me in and never lets me go until the end of the song witht he abrupt ending.
ok lateralus
10-23-2005, 08:54 PM
Demon of the Fall of course.
ah, yes... me too
Shadows
10-23-2005, 09:57 PM
I love you guys. :(
lost_profits
10-23-2005, 10:00 PM
Demon of the fall has to be a classic example of contrasting styles. It starts as one of the most brutal things commited to tape -- that growl, and then ends with run away, run away, just one second.... in clean vox.
I'd probably take When over it.
who here likes serenity painted death? It has some of the best riffs I've heard opeth do. The intro just pulls me in and never lets me go until the end of the song witht he abrupt ending.
That pinch harmonic in the riff = greatest use of PH ever.
lost_profits
10-23-2005, 10:04 PM
who here likes serenity painted death? It has some of the best riffs I've heard opeth do. The intro just pulls me in and never lets me go until the end of the song witht he abrupt ending.
yeah the pinch harmonics in this part*
white face, haggard grin, serenity painted death *
are killer.
Darkness
10-23-2005, 10:26 PM
I really like when the pinch is used a little in BWP at 1:27 in that little lead riff. Thats cool to.
Huber
10-23-2005, 10:28 PM
Can anyone tell me whether Ghost Reveries is a concept album, and what the concept is?
Killtacular
10-23-2005, 10:32 PM
who here likes serenity painted death?
/raises hand
Can anyone tell me whether Ghost Reveries is a concept album, and what the concept is?
We've disputed this and there are differing opinions, but I believe it is. Isolation Years isn't part of the concept though.
Toaster
10-24-2005, 02:47 PM
We've disputed this and there are differing opinions, but I believe it is. Isolation Years isn't part of the concept though.
Yeah, I read that only three or so songs are part of the concept. :mad: That was really disappointing to me. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.
Toaster
10-24-2005, 02:47 PM
We've disputed this and there are differing opinions, but I believe it is. Isolation Years isn't part of the concept though.
Yeah, I read that only three or so songs are part of the concept. :mad: That was really disappointing to me. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.
Toaster
10-24-2005, 02:47 PM
We've disputed this and there are differing opinions, but I believe it is. Isolation Years isn't part of the concept though.
Yeah, I read that only three or so songs are part of the concept. :mad: That was really disappointing to me. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.
bucket
10-24-2005, 08:23 PM
Sorry for not getting in the discussion earlier, but what fingerpicking Opeth parts do you guys find particularly tricky? I haven't had much trouble with any parts I try recently.
But I do like to do the fingerpicking on my guitar. :D
Darkness
10-24-2005, 08:25 PM
I find that part in The Moor kinda hard, but I'm not that good at finger picking myself.
Flynn
10-24-2005, 08:32 PM
We've disputed this and there are differing opinions, but I believe it is. Isolation Years isn't part of the concept though.
If one song isn't a part of it, it rules out any chance for a Concept. Period. Two songs from an album could run together, but the rest could be about something totally different, which in this case, the album is not a concept. The entire album from beginning to end has to be one story period. Sadly, Ghost Reveries is not one of those albums.
Toaster
10-24-2005, 08:43 PM
Sorry for not getting in the discussion earlier, but what fingerpicking Opeth parts do you guys find particularly tricky? I haven't had much trouble with any parts I try recently.
But I do like to do the fingerpicking on my guitar. :D
I'm not a great fingerpicker, that might have something to do with it. I can play most of the parts, but they sound like crap compared to the precise articulation that Akerfeldt gets. Benighted is pretty complex, Patterns in the Ivy has some weird chords, and this isn't fingerpicking, but have you ever tried to play the odd 12-string part right after the intro in Closure? :eek: On a 12-string it's nearly impossible (for me).
bucket
10-24-2005, 08:50 PM
I'm not a great fingerpicker, that might have something to do with it. I can play most of the parts, but they sound like crap compared to the precise articulation that Akerfeldt gets. Benighted is pretty complex, Patterns in the Ivy has some weird chords, and this isn't fingerpicking, but have you ever tried to play the odd 12-string part right after the intro in Closure? :eek: On a 12-string it's nearly impossible (for me).
Oh yeah, I did give up on Benighted. So hard to get it right :upset:
Also, 12 strings make me look like a bumbling idiot. I can't even tune them properly.
ok lateralus
10-24-2005, 09:16 PM
I find that part in The Moor kinda hard, but I'm not that good at finger picking myself.
Which one? Because the main one starting around 1:40-1:50 is with 2 guitars, one picking E minor or something and the other doing the one-note melody.
Darkness
10-24-2005, 09:18 PM
I ment the part around 8:20 min in. That part is incredible, IMO. The way his voice fits in with the guitar is just awesome..
ok lateralus
10-24-2005, 09:21 PM
I ment the part around 8:20 min in. That part is incredible, IMO. The way his voice fits in with the guitar is just awesome..
Yeah, thats a great part, and the humming is awesome. I'd probably take the acoustic part in The Leper Affinity over it though, maybe... i've been listening to TLA a lot recently.
Darkness
10-24-2005, 09:22 PM
Really? I like that part in TLA, but its really basic and, IMO, doesn't compare to that part in The Moor. :D Maybe give The Moor another listen. :p
ok lateralus
10-24-2005, 09:27 PM
Really? I like that part in TLA, but its really basic and, IMO, doesn't compare to that part in The Moor. :D Maybe give The Moor another listen. :p
Hah trust me, I've given The Moor many, many listens. Overall as a whole song I'd probably take it over TLA, just by a hair. though I've been really enjoing BWP lately. But if you compare it track-by-track to Still Life, Still Life is a bit superior, IMO. You just can't beat Face of Melinda.
Darkness
10-24-2005, 09:29 PM
You just can't beat Face of Melinda.
Agreed.
ok lateralus
10-24-2005, 09:40 PM
meh, im bored, so I'm going to do some boring stuff. make your own lists if you want.
opeth albums ranked
Morningrise > Still Life > My Arms Your Hearse > Blackwater Park > Deliverance > Damnation > Orchid > Ghost Reveries
top 10 songs in no order:
Demon of the Fall
A Fair Judgement
The Moor
To Bid You Farewell
The Leper Affinity
Black Rose Immortal
In Mist She Was Standing
April Ethereal
Face of Melinda
The Drapery Falls
top 3 least fav opeth songs (not counting short instrumentals):
Reverie/Harlquin Forest
Under the Weeping Moon
Forests of October
Shadows
10-24-2005, 09:41 PM
I don't know how to rank their albums. Ghost Reveries has been my favorite for the past several months, but now it seems that Blackwater Park has taken over that spot. :(
ok lateralus
10-24-2005, 09:43 PM
I don't know how to rank their albums. Ghost Reveries has been my favorite for the past several months, but now it seems that Blackwater Park has taken over that spot. :(
Yeah it's hard because it usually changes, I go through different phases for each of their albums. Morningrise is usually always at #1 though
Shadows
10-24-2005, 09:46 PM
That's the only album I haven't re-investigated so far. I should check it, as then I'll once again be familiar with their entire discography.
ok lateralus
10-24-2005, 09:48 PM
That's the only album I haven't re-investigated so far. I should check it, as then I'll once again be familiar with their entire discography.
Yeah I'd suggest giving it another chance... kind of long and the songs seem to drag at first. But for me it payed off after many listens. It definitely is a huge improvement over Orchid, not that Orchid is bad but Morningrise is much more cohesive as an album, and not as unfocused.
Shadows
10-24-2005, 09:49 PM
That was my biggest complaint about Orchid. It had some very memorable stuff, but dragged on way too long and got boring. Still, In Mist She Was Standing is one of my favorite Opeth songs.
ok lateralus
10-24-2005, 09:52 PM
That was my biggest complaint about Orchid. It had some very memorable stuff, but dragged on way too long and got boring. Still, In Mist She Was Standing is one of my favorite Opeth songs.
Yeah, even after listening to it several times, Under the Weeping Moon and Forests of October don't seem to do much for me at all. However all of Morningrise's 5 tracks are flawless. They definitely evolved a lot between the two albums.
WideAsleep
10-24-2005, 09:53 PM
I cannot wait for this friday, I'm seeing Opeth live in Toronto, it is going to be amazing.
ok lateralus
10-24-2005, 09:53 PM
I cannot wait for this friday, I'm seeing Opeth live in Toronto, it is going to be amazing.
ah, lucky bastard. i missed them because they cancelled the AZ date.
WideAsleep
10-24-2005, 09:57 PM
that really sucks, it is going to be amazing though, i heard they are going to play stuff from all of their albums, so there will be some still life and morning rise stuff:thumb:
UnknowN Doodl3.2
10-24-2005, 10:08 PM
seing them saturday with nevermore \m/...
deliverance alone is deserving of all the hype this band is getting...
seing them saturday with nevermore \m/...
deliverance alone is deserving of all the hype this band is getting...
I hate you. I hate everyone that lives on the East Coast for this single reason.:upset: Opeth and Nevermore together.
Since we're doing lists (in order)
The Moor
In my time of need
Black Rose Immortal
The Drapery Falls
Serenity painted death
Death whispered a lullaby
Deliverance
Atonement
Face of Melinda
Benighted/ When
I'd include Night and the Silent water and In the mist she was stanging if they just cleaned the production up, in which case, they'd be #2 and 4 respectively.
Killtacular
10-24-2005, 10:48 PM
Oh boy, list time:
Still Life > Morningrise > Deliverance > Orchid > Blackwater Park > Damnation > My Arms, Your Hearse > Ghost Reveries.
Eat it.
No list deserves to have Deliverance over MAYH, BWP or Damnation. :surprised:
Killtacular
10-24-2005, 10:53 PM
Exactly my point. I refuse to become another one of those Blackwater Park folks.
"Eat it."
i am the robots
10-24-2005, 10:56 PM
Still Life :naughty: > Morningrise > Damnation > Blackwater Park > My Arms, Your Hearse > Ghost Reveries > Deliverance
Darkness
10-24-2005, 10:58 PM
Deliverance really is a work of art. I don't get why people don't like it, its better then some of their other stuff, easily.
Det_Nosnip
10-25-2005, 12:30 AM
OOoook....So, I saw Opeth on saturday...
Pretty cool show. For some god-forsaken reason, Opeth decided to play at the White Rabbit in San Antonio, which is...well...not a very well run establishment. I guess that they've been trying to take it up a notch since I lived in SAT, but when I lived there back in High School, it was basically this little club that mostly hosted local acts...very rarely a touring act or two. The stage was rather pitifully small, and the room wasn't huge either. This meant that there were a LOT of people crammed into a rather tight space, which was kind of uncomfortable. The crowd was basically a giant seething mass of people pushing against eachother for the entire show, and I took quite a few unnecessary kidney shots as a result. On the plus side, I was within 5 feet of Opeth for pretty much the entire show.
Anyways, when I got there, they couldn't find my will call ticket. After searching for a bit, the woman in charge asked if I had a confirmation number, which I gave....and she just told me to go in, without verifying it or anything. I probably could have walked into the ****ing place without paying with that kind of management....there was no security, nobody checked for weapons or anything....in the back of my mind, I was worried of a Dimebag incident.
Fireball Ministry was a pretty fun band....good ole Southern rock/doom metal kind of sound. Some pretty cool riffs and overall a good set, although by the end I was starting to get tired of it. Pelican was a very interesting band...I was definitely impressed with their set. Kinda reminded me of a cross between Isis and Mastodon in some ways, albeit sans vocals.
But, of course, the band I was there to see was Opeth. The White Rabbit owned up to my preconceptions of its ****tiness, and it kinda took a while before Opeth was ready to go on. Plus, they had no curtain or anything to cover the stage while this was going on as alot of clubs do, so it kind of killed the atmosphere watching the stage crew run through the sound test. :rolleyes:
By the time Opeth came on, everyone was getting rather impatient, so it was a nice relief. They opened with "Baying of the Hounds." The band seemed a little unsure at first, and the guitars were far too quiet, so the beginning of the song didn't go as well as a song like BOH could have. Opeth were tight as hell and they performed everything flawlessly, but the feeling wasn't really there in the beginning.
I think the band really found their voice once it got to the quieter sections of the song. Once the song kicked back into the heavy death sections after the first interlude, the intensity was really there, and it felt great.
Next, I believe they played 'When'. I'm not as big a My Arms....fan as some (great album, don't get me wrong...but not my favorite by any means), so it wasn't as big of a deal for me, but hey...it's Opeth.
I can't remember what exactly happened next....I think my setlist was the same as Kage's. They played Bleak, which was ****ing AWESOME, and they also played "In My Time of Need," which was sweet. Mikael said something about how everyone in the band was really ugly, so they needed to make an album to get chicks, which was why they made Dam nation. :D
He also urged us to sing along, and most of the people in the room did, so that was cool.
The Grand Conjuration was ****ing awesome. I don't care if people don't like it, it was easily one of the highlights of the evening. Mikael opened with his usual dry humor, saying "This is the sound of hell...well, it doesn't SOUND like hell, but it is hell," trying to convey that the song was capturing that atmosphere while clarifying that he wasn't trying to say that it was a bad song. ;) Anyways, the atmosphere was really intense on it...the chorus grunts were just brutal as hell, and it was just a really great performance as a whole. What was great was that the lights completely went out at the ending of the song....I assumed at first that the lighting crew did this on purpose for effect, but I guess the lights really did go out! ...Maybe Satan did it. Either way, it worked wonderfully, intentional or not. Those who dislike Ghost Reveries should probably reserve their judgements until after hearing it performed live.
Face of Melinda came next, and was really sweet. The absence of Martin was somewhat more strongly felt here....although whatshisname pulled off most of the set really well (pretty much note for note, actually), FOM is one of the songs where the HOW is somewhat more important than the WHAT, and therefore alot more difficult to emulate. Nevertheless, it was still pretty cool.
Deliverance would be another major highlight of the evening. That song is easily one of the band's all time greatest live songs, and it was just as awesome as ever. This was one of two songs that were performed at SOTU, so it was my second time hearing them play it, and it was just as great.
For Blackwater Park, the band did a facetious little demonstration of the song's beat, Mikael saying "ok, now, get ready to headbang to that for 13 minutes straight." :lol: While this was somewhat of an exaggeration (the song has quite a few different sections other than that one main one), it was pretty funny nonetheless.
I knew that they were going to play Demon of the Fall as an encore, so it wasn't too big of a surprise, but it was as fun as ever. Such a great track.
Anyways, the absence of Martin and overall ****iness of the White Rabbit marred an otherwise great performance, but as a whole I definitely had a good time. I was really impressed with Martin Mendez's playing....I've always respected him as a musician, but seeing him live and that close was really awesome. He really grooves very hard, something that is rare among metal players and seems to be largely overlooked. As a drummer, Mendez is the sort of bassist that I really feel would be amazing to jam with. It really made me that much more aware of how great Opeth was because of that dual Martin rhythm section....although whathsname from Bloodbath got the job done, it simply wasn't the same. The Martins have played together for so damn long and are so incredibly tight...I really really hope that Lopez gets better, as the band is pretty much perfect IMO right now with the current lineup.
I took a few pics and 1 very short video during Face of Melinda (I was too scared to lose my camera for most of the rest of the show, as it was pretty nuts in there), so if anyone wants to see 'em, let me know.
ElectricalStorm
10-25-2005, 12:55 AM
^awesome, I'm seeing on them Wednesday (first day with nevermore I think). Anyway Post the pics:)
I also think the Martin's are very tight rhythmically, esp on Ghost Reveries.
Oh and the drummer filling in on this tour is another Martin, Martin Axenrot from Bloodbath. I thought that was somewhat amusing too.
Hells Bells
10-25-2005, 01:15 AM
Wow, that sounds like such a ****ty venue, not the kind of place I'd like to see a band like Opeth have to play in. It's sad to have to see these bands come over to North America and get stuck with crap like that.
From the way you described it though, any experience with Opeth is gonna be kickass. I'm getting so pysched for this show hearing everyone talking about it...only three more days now!!! As great as everyone's saying Pelican is, I'm happy with the fact that Nevermore will be at my show :D
lost_profits
10-25-2005, 03:16 AM
MAYH>Blackwater Park>Still Life>Deliverance>Orchid>Ghost Reveries>Damnation
On the nevermore/opeth show.....
I think it would be a good contrast. The nevermore fans will most likely have the attention span to listen to Opeth, and Opeth fans will appreciate Nevermore's straight shooting style.
lost_profits
10-25-2005, 03:23 AM
Songs,
Longest to grow on me:
When?
Dirge For November
Beneath the mire
Moonlapse Vertigo
The Amen Corner
Weakness (Opeth's eeriest song)
Least fav:
Harlequin Forest
The Grand Conjuration
Death whispered a lullaby
The Funeral Portrait
Karma
Godhead's lament
epihasi
10-25-2005, 05:36 AM
I think DIRGE is like a song sung at a funeral or something. Not sure, though
Shadows
10-25-2005, 06:14 AM
As taken from an online dictionary:
"a song or hymn of mourning composed or performed as a memorial to a dead person"
epihasi
10-25-2005, 07:25 AM
So, I was pretty much right then?
Anyway, anyone loooveee Credence like me?
That song is easily on one of the top spots of acoustic songs EVER for me.
DuncMaster
10-25-2005, 08:08 AM
How come nobody has Bleak in their best lists? It's ****ing awsome.
Mr. Ron
10-25-2005, 09:22 AM
OOoook....So, I saw Opeth on saturday...
Pretty cool show. For some god-forsaken reason, Opeth decided to play at the White Rabbit in San Antonio, which is...well...not a very well run establishment. I guess that they've been trying to take it up a notch since I lived in SAT, but when I lived there back in High School, it was basically this little club that mostly hosted local acts...very rarely a touring act or two. The stage was rather pitifully small, and the room wasn't huge either. This meant that there were a LOT of people crammed into a rather tight space, which was kind of uncomfortable. The crowd was basically a giant seething mass of people pushing against eachother for the entire show, and I took quite a few unnecessary kidney shots as a result. On the plus side, I was within 5 feet of Opeth for pretty much the entire show.
Anyways, when I got there, they couldn't find my will call ticket. After searching for a bit, the woman in charge asked if I had a confirmation number, which I gave....and she just told me to go in, without verifying it or anything. I probably could have walked into the ****ing place without paying with that kind of management....there was no security, nobody checked for weapons or anything....in the back of my mind, I was worried of a Dimebag incident.
Fireball Ministry was a pretty fun band....good ole Southern rock/doom metal kind of sound. Some pretty cool riffs and overall a good set, although by the end I was starting to get tired of it. Pelican was a very interesting band...I was definitely impressed with their set. Kinda reminded me of a cross between Isis and Mastodon in some ways, albeit sans vocals.
But, of course, the band I was there to see was Opeth. The White Rabbit owned up to my preconceptions of its ****tiness, and it kinda took a while before Opeth was ready to go on. Plus, they had no curtain or anything to cover the stage while this was going on as alot of clubs do, so it kind of killed the atmosphere watching the stage crew run through the sound test. :rolleyes:
By the time Opeth came on, everyone was getting rather impatient, so it was a nice relief. They opened with "Baying of the Hounds." The band seemed a little unsure at first, and the guitars were far too quiet, so the beginning of the song didn't go as well as a song like BOH could have. Opeth were tight as hell and they performed everything flawlessly, but the feeling wasn't really there in the beginning.
I think the band really found their voice once it got to the quieter sections of the song. Once the song kicked back into the heavy sections after the first interlude, the intensity was really there, and it felt great.
Next, I believe they played 'When'. I'm not as big a My Arms....fan as some (great album, don't get me wrong...but not my favorite by any means), so it wasn't as big of a deal for me, but hey...it's Opeth.
I can't remember what exactly happened next....I think my setlist was the same as Kage's. They played Bleak, which was ****ing AWESOME, and they also played "In My Time of Need," which was sweet. Mikael said something about how everyone in the band was really ugly, so they needed to make an album to get chicks, which was why they made Dam nation. :D
He also urged us to sing along, and most of the people in the room did, so that was cool.
The Grand Conjuration was ****ing awesome. I don't care if people don't like it, it was easily one of the highlights of the evening. Mikael opened with his usual dry humor, saying "This is the sound of hell...well, it doesn't SOUND like hell, but it is hell," trying to convey that the song was capturing that atmosphere while clarifying that he wasn't trying to say that it was a bad song. ;) Anyways, the atmosphere was really intense on it...the chorus grunts were just brutal as hell, and it was just a really great performance as a whole. What was great was that the lights completely went out at the ending of the song....I assumed at first that the lighting crew did this on purpose for effect, but I guess the lights really did go out! ...Maybe Satan did it. Either way, it worked wonderfully, intentional or not. Those who dislike Ghost Reveries should probably reserve their judgements until after hearing it performed live.
Face of Melinda came next, and was really sweet. The absence of Martin was somewhat more strongly felt here....although whatshisname pulled off most of the set really well (pretty much note for note, actually), FOM is one of the songs where the HOW is somewhat more important than the WHAT, and therefore alot more difficult to emulate. Nevertheless, it was still pretty cool.
Deliverance would be another major highlight of the evening. That song is easily one of the band's all time greatest live songs, and it was just as awesome as ever. This was one of two songs that were performed at SOTU, so it was my second time hearing them play it, and it was just as great.
For Blackwater Park, the band did a facetious little demonstration of the song's beat, Mikael saying "ok, now, get ready to headbang to that for 13 minutes straight." :lol: While this was somewhat of an exaggeration (the song has quite a few different sections other than that one main one), it was pretty funny nonetheless.
I knew that they were going to play Demon of the Fall as an encore, so it wasn't too big of a surprise, but it was as fun as ever. Such a great track.
Anyways, the absence of Martin and overall ****iness of the White Rabbit marred an otherwise great performance, but as a whole I definitely had a good time. I was really impressed with Martin Mendez's playing....I've always respected him as a musician, but seeing him live and that close was really awesome. He really grooves very hard, something that is rare among metal players and seems to be largely overlooked. As a drummer, Mendez is the sort of bassist that I really feel would be amazing to jam with. It really made me that much more aware of how great Opeth was because of that dual Martin rhythm section....although whathsname from bath got the job done, it simply wasn't the same. The Martins have played together for so damn long and are so incredibly tight...I really really hope that Lopez gets better, as the band is pretty much perfect IMO right now with the current lineup.
I took a few pics and 1 very short video during Face of Melinda (I was too scared to lose my camera for most of the rest of the show, as it was pretty nuts in there), so if anyone wants to see 'em, let me know.
Wait, isn't the white rabbit a ambiant band?
Det, nice concert review. Ours went generally the same, it seems, with the same set lists and some of the same jokes (haha). Although the venue that they played in here was great. I'd never been there, but it's the best venue I've been to, aside from Verizon Wireless, but Opeth isn't big enough to play there, plus tickets in that venue usually cost at least $35, so everybody won.
Also, the opening of BoH was awesome for me. Deliverance was certainly a highlight, but all I really remember from Grand Conjuration was getting pulled into probably the craziest mosh pit I'd ever been in. I normally like to just watch the band play and focus on the music, but the energy was too much.
And your comments on Fireball Ministry are the exact same as my thoughts on them. Pelican, though, is one of my favorite bands, and their set was amazing, I thought.
i am the robots
10-25-2005, 12:23 PM
Wow, Det, that review fecking pwns, I don't see why you hate small venues for those reasons though, watching the crew do the sound check isn't a big deal at all, but the guitars being too quiet was, that happened at the Stirling when I went to see 3 Inches of Blood... Jamie Hoopers mic was so quiet for the first song that you could only hear Cam's vocals, but other than stuff like that, small venues own, they're cheaper, the atmosphere is more personal, and if you go outside after the show, you have a really good chance of meeting some band members.
killa_bees77
10-25-2005, 12:38 PM
Hey guys, new opeth interview. I dont know if its been posted yet, but here ya go for your listening pleasure.
http://www.toazted.com/artistinfo.php?artist=694
Det_Nosnip
10-25-2005, 04:12 PM
Wow, Det, that review fecking pwns, I don't see why you hate small venues for those reasons though, watching the crew do the sound check isn't a big deal at all, but the guitars being too quiet was, that happened at the Stirling when I went to see 3 Inches of Blood... Jamie Hoopers mic was so quiet for the first song that you could only hear Cam's vocals, but other than stuff like that, small venues own, they're cheaper, the atmosphere is more personal, and if you go outside after the show, you have a really good chance of meeting some band members.
Small *well run* establishments are great. Textbook example: the House of Blues. I've been to a ton of shows at the HOB in Chicago, and I love the ****ing place. You would be amazed at how much goes into a concert experience that the band has absolutely no control over...God knows what was actually going on on-stage. When you get a place like the White Rabbit, you basically have a bunch of incompetent fools who simply aren't good at what they do. I didn't mention what happened to the people who crowd-surfed at the venue...this one guy got dragged off stage by his NECK. I wouldn't be surprised if he sued the place, and I wouldn't blame him, either.
shamed-angel
10-25-2005, 05:39 PM
Wow, Det, that review fecking pwns, I don't see why you hate small venues for those reasons though, watching the crew do the sound check isn't a big deal at all, but the guitars being too quiet was, that happened at the Stirling when I went to see 3 Inches of Blood... Jamie Hoopers mic was so quiet for the first song that you could only hear Cam's vocals, but other than stuff like that, small venues own, they're cheaper, the atmosphere is more personal, and if you go outside after the show, you have a really good chance of meeting some band members.
I've been emailing Jamie quite alot recently...
Flynn
10-25-2005, 06:08 PM
Deliverance really is a work of art. I don't get why people don't like it, its better then some of their other stuff, easily.
I absolutely love it, you know that though, I haven't met one person that doesn't like it. I think there was one poster once a while back that didn't like the album. I don't know, It's a badass album.:evil:
Darkness
10-25-2005, 06:10 PM
Most people just seem to think its underpar, or that Ghost Reveries blows it away... I disagree with this. :p
Shadows
10-25-2005, 06:11 PM
I have mixed feelings on it.
Flynn
10-25-2005, 06:17 PM
Because of Opeth's growth in style, and range, their fans vary along with their tastes on which albums they prefer. It's all good, I love you all. :D
Toaster
10-25-2005, 06:19 PM
Deliverance is in my top three, partly due to the vocals. People say they're badly produced- I say they're cooler.
Flynn
10-25-2005, 06:27 PM
Deliverance is in my top three, partly due to the vocals. People say they're badly produced- I say they're cooler.
Whoever said they're poorly produced lacks severe musical talent.
Darkness
10-25-2005, 06:29 PM
I agree, nothing beats the gut renching screams he does at near the end of Wreath. Then has the clean vocals doing kinda back up vocals... thats just awesome. :D
Mr. Ron
10-25-2005, 06:29 PM
Opeth is probably the worst band ever.
shamed-angel
10-25-2005, 06:30 PM
I absolutely love it, you know that though, I haven't met one person that doesn't like it. I think there was one poster once a while back that didn't like the album. I don't know, It's a badass album.:evil:
IMO A tie between that and The Leper Affinity for the best song they've ever written.
Toaster
10-25-2005, 06:32 PM
Opeth is probably the worst band ever.
i no eh tthey r teh suck. pure n00bage !!!!!111 lawlz
Seriously, ShadowsFallen what program do you use for drumming? Would Beatcraft (the free one) work if I put it to a WAV file?
EDIT: I meant for the thrash contest thing.
Shadows
10-25-2005, 06:33 PM
I use an actual drum machine. Any program should work, as long as you can export the drum track as a .wav file. You're using Audacity right?
Mr. Ron
10-25-2005, 06:35 PM
i no eh tthey r teh suck. pure n00bage !!!!!111 lawlz
Seriously, ShadowsFallen what program do you use for drumming? Would Beatcraft (the free one) work if I put it to a WAV file?
EDIT: I meant for the thrash contest thing.
:naughty:
I feel dirty for blasphemeing against Opeth.:upset:
Toaster
10-25-2005, 06:37 PM
I use an actual drum machine. Any program should work, as long as you can export the drum track as a .wav file. You're using Audacity right?
I don't know what Audacity is, frankly. I'm using a digital 4-track, playing to a click track, then putting that on Sony Acid.. Then I'm using the Beatcraft (hopefully) to just follow that click track and put it all together somehow. :p I've never used a drum program to record before, needless to say.
If there's an easier way, don't be shy. :) Thanks.
Shadows
10-25-2005, 06:39 PM
Well, I've never used a drum program on a computer, so I don't right off the top of my head. But if you have any specific questions, go ahead and ask, I'm I'll be able to help in some way. :)
Toaster
10-25-2005, 06:49 PM
Well, I've never used a drum program on a computer, so I don't right off the top of my head. But if you have any specific questions, go ahead and ask, I'm I'll be able to help in some way. :)
I'll get back to you- I need to find out if I can merge the two files somehow..
ok lateralus
10-25-2005, 07:21 PM
Bump
Opeth is awesome
Darkness
10-25-2005, 07:29 PM
Bump
Opeth is awesome
Not necissary, since we have about 232 pages of that.
Shattered_Future
10-25-2005, 07:33 PM
Lots of talk about Deliverance, but none about By The Pain I See In Others.
Anybody else like this? It's probably one of my favorite tracks...the fingerpicking is amazing, Mikael is butt evil on vox, and the riffs are great as well. Severely underrated track.
i am the robots
10-25-2005, 07:47 PM
Yes, that song is quite fantastic IMO.
Killtacular
10-25-2005, 08:12 PM
I love Deliverance. All of it.
Greatness. So heavy, yet so great.
ok lateralus
10-25-2005, 09:33 PM
I love Deliverance. All of it.
Greatness. So heavy, yet so great.
Yeah, actually kind of funny that it's labeled their "HEAVY" album yet 1/3 of the songs are without death metal vox. Heh. The rest is pretty heavy though. A fair Judgement will always be my favorite.
Darkness
10-25-2005, 09:36 PM
I think its their heaviest...
ok lateralus
10-25-2005, 09:42 PM
I think its their heaviest...
Yeah me too, except for AFJ and FAF
Toaster
10-25-2005, 10:03 PM
Lots of talk about Deliverance, but none about By The Pain I See In Others.
Anybody else like this? It's probably one of my favorite tracks...the fingerpicking is amazing, Mikael is butt evil on vox, and the riffs are great as well. Severely underrated track.
I don't think its underrated.. although the album as a whole is somewhat underrated. Its an awesome song, but I thought the ending was poor. It seems really disjointed and strange, although the screaming is sweet.
Darkness
10-25-2005, 10:04 PM
I don't think its underrated.. although the album as a whole is somewhat underrated. Its an awesome song, but I thought the ending was poor. It seems really disjointed and strange, although the screaming is sweet.
The song does start to fall apart at the end, but that kinda adds to the whole insanity feel of the song.
i am the robots
10-25-2005, 10:05 PM
I love Deliverence, but I love the other albums more.
Flynn
10-25-2005, 10:22 PM
Yeah me too, except for AFJ and FAF
Please type the full song name, what's so hard about that? It's not a chat room. You have plenty of time to type, not to mention you used punctuation in that sentence. :p
The song does start to fall apart at the end, but that kinda adds to the whole insanity feel of the song.
Are you talking about the song Deliverance? I think it builds up to the end. That last riff makes the song, in my opinion. That riff is so mesmerizing!
Toaster
10-25-2005, 10:25 PM
Are you talking about the song Deliverance? I think it builds up to the end. That last riff makes the song, in my opinion. That riff is so mesmerizing!
By the Pain I See in Others.
Flynn
10-25-2005, 10:27 PM
By the Pain I See in Others.
It fades out with double bass...how is that falling apart? That song is so lethal.
Toaster
10-25-2005, 10:30 PM
It fades out with double bass...how is that falling apart? That song is so lethal.
:confused: The one on my album fades out with a piano note, then some backwards singing. Maybe you're thinking of Master's Apprentices.
Flynn
10-25-2005, 10:41 PM
:confused: The one on my album fades out with a piano note, then some backwards singing. Maybe you're thinking of Master's Apprentices.
No, the backwards singing is from The Master's Apprentices. I recorded it on my sound recorder windows XP so graciously let me have for free, then played it backwards. It's the first singing verse to The Master's Apprentices...''soothing trance...'' By The Pain I See In Others has a really nice outro, it's fast, heavy and full of double bass, then quickly fades out on tone. How is that fall apart? I don't get it at all. You should listen to the song again, By The Pain I See In Others. Maybe even record that last segment and play it backwards, then you will see the light.
G_Mac07
10-26-2005, 04:58 AM
I just uploaded an older video of Demon Of The Fall live on myspace just before, and I figure so of you guys might be interested if you don't already have it. Post you email here and I'll send you the link if your interested.
shamed-angel
10-26-2005, 05:09 AM
Change_of_Seasons_89@hotmail.com
Cheers very much dude.
Yeah, I read that only three or so songs are part of the concept. :mad: That was really disappointing to me. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.
Nice.
I just uploaded an older video of Demon Of The Fall live on myspace just before, and I figure so of you guys might be interested if you don't already have it. Post you email here and I'll send you the link if your interested.
mistergroovy1023@gmail.com
G_Mac07
10-26-2005, 11:03 AM
Sent to both. :)
the2stranger
10-26-2005, 11:33 AM
I really love ByThe Pain I See In Others.
esp. the creepy piano interlude, it's so creepy and carnival-esque
the backwards singing sounds very cool, only the minute silence surrounding it sucks :(
I just uploaded an older video of Demon Of The Fall live on myspace just before, and I figure so of you guys might be interested if you don't already have it. Post you email here and I'll send you the link if your interested.
A little late on this, but sounds good:
saydstrings@gmail.com
spacemanjack
10-26-2005, 03:30 PM
I've been learning a lot of the songs on guitar lately....some easy, some very difficult. As noted, Benighted is pretty tough....the precision is difficult at that speed, but the real difficulty is singing + playing it. Same with Patterns in the Ivy II, beautiful picking that can be learned but trying to sing it, it becomes impossible. Have had much trouble with Face of Melinda as well.
Others are just too multitracked to duplicate.....I'm a huge fan of the loud riffs in Dirge for November, but they're just layered octaves that cannot be done singlehandedly. And the ending riff of Moonlapse Vertigo, same thing.....too layered to duplicate on one guitar.
Shattered_Future
10-26-2005, 03:35 PM
Mmmm...Demon Of The Fall video.
anemiate@yahoo.com
Panvium
10-26-2005, 03:39 PM
I just uploaded an older video of Demon Of The Fall live on myspace just before, and I figure so of you guys might be interested if you don't already have it. Post you email here and I'll send you the link if your interested.
ObsoL33T@hotmail.com Please!
Reywas
10-26-2005, 03:42 PM
thomlazyeyed@yahoo.com
Mikec2490@hotmail.com
Thanks in advanced.
Toaster
10-26-2005, 04:45 PM
No, the backwards singing is from The Master's Apprentices. I recorded it on my sound recorder windows XP so graciously let me have for free, then played it backwards. It's the first singing verse to The Master's Apprentices...''soothing trance...'' By The Pain I See In Others has a really nice outro, it's fast, heavy and full of double bass, then quickly fades out on tone. How is that fall apart? I don't get it at all. You should listen to the song again, By The Pain I See In Others. Maybe even record that last segment and play it backwards, then you will see the light.
Yeah, I remember you telling me that earlier in this thread. :) The problem as I see it is that it has these disjointed riffs and licks, that don't flow together at all.. I can see how you could like it, with its insane feel and whatnot, but the somewhat random nature of the section turns me off.
Iron Man
10-26-2005, 05:17 PM
<---- Is seeing Opeth+Nevermore tomorrow.
Can't ****ing wait.
Flynn
10-26-2005, 05:55 PM
Yeah, I remember you telling me that earlier in this thread. :) The problem as I see it is that it has these disjointed riffs and licks, that don't flow together at all.. I can see how you could like it, with its insane feel and whatnot, but the somewhat random nature of the section turns me off.
Are you talking about the song itself? Or the backwards singing? If you're talking about the song: Explain to me what a disjointed riff is. If you're talking about the backwards singing, please stop arguing this conversation and just listen to that segment backwards. I used to dislike that segment also, until I heard what it really is. It's pretty cool. So if you have about 5 minutes, a mic and windows sound recorder, you can check it out. :D
Just record the singing and play it reversed, it's simple.
Shadows
10-26-2005, 05:57 PM
<---- Is seeing Opeth+Nevermore tomorrow.
Can't ****ing wait.
You lucky bastard. :( I would kill to see that show. They're playing at a venue 30 minutes north of me but I have to miss it.
Iron Man
10-26-2005, 06:07 PM
I wish Opeth and Nevermore would tour the UK together. :( For that matter, I wish that Opeth would play a decent sized venue next time they hit London, rather than The Forum. They could easily sell out a bigger venue than that, so I'm not quite sure why they haven't upgraded yet. I don't think I could go anyway, but it's still pretty annoying...it's all very well playing small venues in the US, as they play so many dates there, but it would be nice if they played bigger venues on their infrequent visits here.
I'm going to a pretty small venue, but that's alright with me because the ticket was only $15, something I can afford on my currently tight fundage.
Killtacular
10-26-2005, 06:39 PM
I've recently been indulging in more Damnation than I've recently allowed myself, and I must say, I'm quite impressed. Hope Leaves has that great catchy chorus bit. Ahhhh, good stuff.
Toaster
10-26-2005, 06:50 PM
Are you talking about the song itself? Or the backwards singing? If you're talking about the song: Explain to me what a disjointed riff is. If you're talking about the backwards singing, please stop arguing this conversation and just listen to that segment backwards. I used to dislike that segment also, until I heard what it really is. It's pretty cool. So if you have about 5 minutes, a mic and windows sound recorder, you can check it out. :D
Just record the singing and play it reversed, it's simple.
:lol: I was never talking about the backwards singing!! Starting at 7:58, the riffs just seem to be totally disconnected.
I am going to try that, btw.
Also I have recently discovered the true greatness about Benighted. Listen to it while taking a walk on a clear night. Sounds cheesy, but it is the most calming thing I have ever done.
Darkness
10-26-2005, 07:22 PM
I've recently been indulging in more Damnation than I've recently allowed myself, and I must say, I'm quite impressed. Hope Leaves has that great catchy chorus bit. Ahhhh, good stuff.
Thats probably my favorite off of the album.. but all the songs are great, but the one that doesn't really grab me is Death Whispered a Lullaby... don't know why.. it kinda bugs me.
Iron Man
10-26-2005, 07:25 PM
Thats probably my favorite off of the album.. but all the songs are great, but the one that doesn't really grab me is Death Whispered a Lullaby... don't know why.. it kinda bugs me.
That's the only one off the album that I don't really fancy either. Can't put my finger on it...
Flynn
10-26-2005, 08:42 PM
:lol: I was never talking about the backwards singing!! Starting at 7:58, the riffs just seem to be totally disconnected.
I am going to try that, btw.
Also I have recently discovered the true greatness about Benighted. Listen to it while taking a walk on a clear night. Sounds cheesy, but it is the most calming thing I have ever done.
I don't think the song ever loses it's pace, I love it all. A great way to end a furocious album. Listen to the backwards singing in reverse, yea, You'll love it.
Oh, one more thing...don't ever say that word in this thread again when it deals with Opeth, unless it has something to do with the concept of Ghost Reveries. :cool:
...then it's okay.
Shattered_Future
10-26-2005, 08:46 PM
Thats probably my favorite off of the album.. but all the songs are great, but the one that doesn't really grab me is Death Whispered a Lullaby... don't know why.. it kinda bugs me.
Hope Leaves is my second favorite song off of there.
First is Windowpane. I absolutely LOVE that song...probably in my top 3 Opeth songs.
I can't get into In My Time Of Need though...I just hate the verse riff so much. The chorus is good, but the rest is...just not doing it for me.
Darkness
10-26-2005, 09:06 PM
I can't get into In My Time Of Need though...I just hate the verse riff so much. The chorus is good, but the rest is...just not doing it for me.
Really? Thats probably my third favorite, after Windowpane coming in second. I really like Weakness to. Very creepy vibe...
To Rid The Disease is my favorite on that album. Vocal harmonies in chorus = :eek:
Iron Man
10-26-2005, 09:50 PM
To Rid The Disease is my favorite on that album. Vocal harmonies in chorus = :eek:
That's exactly why it's also my favorite :cool:
Steven Wilson conjures those up like no other.
i am the robots
10-26-2005, 09:56 PM
Steven Wilson conjures those up like no other.
qft man, he is godly... **** I forgot him for my top 15 :upset:.
Iron Man
10-26-2005, 09:57 PM
Steven Wilson conjures those up like no other.
Did Wilson work on Ghost Reveries? Because I heard about him working with Opeth from Blackwater Park through Damnation, but no mention of him on the new one...
Nope. Still a fantastic sounding album though. One of my favorite sounding albums by Opeth.
Reflection
10-26-2005, 10:14 PM
Did Wilson work on Ghost Reveries? Because I heard about him working with Opeth from Blackwater Park through Damnation, but no mention of him on the new one...
He only worked on Blacwater Park, Deliverance, and Damnation I believe.
Iron Man
10-26-2005, 10:16 PM
He only worked on Blacwater Park, Deliverance, and Damnation I believe.
That's what I figured, just checking...seems kind of weird to me that he just stopped...maybe he was busy with Deadwing.
ok lateralus
10-26-2005, 10:43 PM
don't ever say that word in this thread again when it deals with Opeth, unless it has something to do with the concept of Ghost Reveries. :cool:
...then it's okay.
Elaborate please
Darkness
10-26-2005, 10:45 PM
That's what I figured, just checking...seems kind of weird to me that he just stopped...maybe he was busy with Deadwing.
He was, and I believe he's touring right now with PT. I wonder how much better he would have made GR... The other guy (name slipped my mind..) did a great job, but Steve also contributed to keyboard, guitar, and vocal parts, which ended up being a huge part on the past 3 albums.
Flynn
10-26-2005, 11:21 PM
Elaborate please
Read previous pages of this thread. David Isberg started this revolution. Don't get me wrong, Akerfeldt did not of this word writing, but if it wasn't for Isberg's concept, Opeth wouldn't even be a band.
Det_Nosnip
10-27-2005, 01:17 AM
I can't get into In My Time Of Need though...I just hate the verse riff so much. The chorus is good, but the rest is...just not doing it for me.
Heh...too complex maybe? I know that complicated music can be hard to get into at first, especially if its complicated rhythmically. It's a very interesting passage, though....Mikael is singing a 2:3 polyrhythm against the rest of the band.
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