Official Cricket Thread

[Yatty]

Well this thread would probably be with me, stick-munch (who changed his avatar :angry: ) and jlightyearm only posting in it, but it's all good :thumb:

Anyways, anything to do with cricket goes in here :D

http://uk.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2004/JUL/016472_AUSSL2004_13JUL2004.html

I would like to say congrats to Shane Warne, he deserves it :thumb:

Warney, I reckon is a way better bowler than murali, so it was shown in the Sri Lankan tour this year. Even though murali took alot of wickets, he mainly took the lower end batsmen, and bowled alot more overs than warney. Warney on the other hand, has more of a variety with his bowling. Not to mention on the tour he got more of the better batters.

What do you guys think about Warney vs. Murali?

And, when will the downfall of Australia's dominance in cricket come around? My guess will be in 2 years time, not before that. Who knows? We'll still produce world class players, and be a competetive side no matter what.

:D

[joshmay]

i dont have the slightest clue about the game. if anyone would post some general information about it, i'd love to learn. :)


cricketz errr noizee critturz.

[Yatty]

i dont have the slightest clue about the game. if anyone would post some general information about it, i'd love to learn. :)


cricketz errr noizee critturz.


www.acb.com.au go there and check out the video highlights and stuff :thumb:

[Rollo47]

Warne, definitely.
Better variety, and an all round better bowler, in my opinion. Plus he doesn't chuck it.

On a side note, Jason Gillespie's mullet is the best ever.

[Drop The Baby]

Ah here we go. Couldn't wait until the Ashes could you ;) . Stick Munch posted something about shane Warne in another thread basically saying that Warne is pleased to equal Murali's record but knows that due to his inadequacies as a bowler Murali will pull away from him in the coming months :D

[Stick-Munch]

1) Glad to see this Thread in existence

2) Yatty For Mod

3) Warne > Chuckiah Chuck-a-lot-aran

4) Australia's decline to begin 2007

[neoli]

cicket = *yawn*

:rolleyes:

[Yatty]

Ah here we go. Couldn't wait until the Ashes could you ;) . Stick Munch posted something about shane Warne in another thread basically saying that Warne is pleased to equal Murali's record but knows that due to his inadequacies as a bowler Murali will pull away from him in the coming months :D


That's why I made this thread ;)

We've turned about 3-4 threads into cricket threads, so I thought might as well make a cricket thread.

And no, I couldn't wait till the ashes :p

[Yatty]

1) Glad to see this Thread in existence

2) Yatty For Mod

3) Warne > Chuckiah Chuck-a-lot-aran

4) Australia's decline to begin 2007

May I ask why you think Australia's decline will begin in 2007?

[joshmay]

the players are called bowlers?


interesting. *strokes chin*

[pusscat]

Hay you forgot about me!!!!!!

I am most upset!

[Drop The Baby]

Exactly. It begins in 2005 :p

[Drop The Baby]

the players are called bowlers?


interesting. *strokes chin*


:lol:

[Yatty]

the players are called bowlers?


interesting. *strokes chin*


No, the person who "bowls" the ball is called bowlers :p

[Irish Nostalgic]

I hate cricket with a passion.

My bad.

[InMyPlace]

Cool a cricket thread:thumb: A New Yatty For Mod!! Avatar (http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v327/InMyPlace/Yatty_For_Mod_70x70.gif)

[Yatty]

Exactly. It begins in 2005 :p

Blah, we'll win the ashes, and you know it :p

[Yatty]

Cool a cricket thread:thumb: A New Yatty For Mod!! Avatar (http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v327/InMyPlace/Yatty_For_Mod_70x70.gif)


then use it :p

[myiaa]

I don't mind watching it. But I don't understand it. In the slightest.

[On The Edge]

Murali> Warne. Murali is a better chucker, therefore a better bowler(dirty chucker :( )

Australias Decline will be circa 2006, due to either India and/or South Africa and Sri Lanka

[Rollo47]

I played cricket until my neck gave way :upset:

[Drop The Baby]

I see Brett Lee is trying to sign for Surrey or another English county to prove himself for the test team. Is Aussie cricket not good enough? ;)

[pusscat]

Yeah it's kind of a for gone conclusion! The Aussie's winning the Ashes. It shouldn't be about how well they win, but how badly England loses!

P.s. Yatty you still need to say sorry for missing my name off the original post! :upset:

[InMyPlace]

then use it :p


I thought people who support you're cause could use it :thumb: I like my DJ cat one at the Mo :p

[monkeysonmars]

Murali should be playing baseball

[Drop The Baby]

I thought people who support you're cause could use it :thumb: I like my DJ cat one at the Mo :p


It's a very good avatar :thumb:

I saw a Muralitheran interview that said he would be the top wicket taker however the authorities let him bowl meaning he knows he gets away with it :angry:

[moderaterock222]

Its good to watch during those stretched out summer days...and watching England get torn apart can be slightly amusing.

[Yatty]

I see Brett Lee is trying to sign for Surrey or another English county to prove himself for the test team. Is Aussie cricket not good enough? ;)

Or maybe the aussie test team is too good for him? :p

And may I ask where's England at compared to the aussies? :p

[Rollo47]

Murali shouldn't be playing any sport, he's way too ugly.

[Drop The Baby]

So far ahead you can't see us...............or behind :upset:


Don't worry though. You wait 'till next year. Sticky and i will have our revenge ;)

[Yatty]

It helpls his back and legs, I think. I'm not sure though......


:lol:

I didn't face many deliveries from him, but it was easy to score off of him. I just drove it back at him, he was too fat to get down and stop it in time


How can that possibly help his back? All fast bowlers get bad backs when they hit 40.

Back in the old days, you either had to have a full front on action, or a side on action, nothing in the middle. They said it will ruin your back if you bowl with a half side/front action. Well they prove it wrong :cool:

[Stick-Munch]

How can that possibly help his back? All fast bowlers get bad backs when they hit 40.

Back in the old days, you either had to have a full front on action, or a side on action, nothing in the middle. They said it will ruin your back if you bowl with a half side/front action. Well they prove it wrong :cool:
:confused: I don't know.
I've been studying batsmen more than bowlers;a desperate attempt to improve my blade-wielding skills. Make me an all-rounder ;)

[Yatty]

:confused: I don't know.
I've been studying batsmen more than bowlers;a desperate attempt to improve my blade-wielding skills. Make me an all-rounder ;)


What's their to study with batsmen? Just keep your head balanced, and always keep your eye on the ball. Have good footwork too, and that's it basically :thumb:

[Stick-Munch]

What's their to study with batsmen? Just keep your head balanced, and always keep your eye on the ball. Have good footwork too, and that's it basically :thumb:
The 'trigger movement'.

[Yatty]

I can still bowl my googly...:cool:

I just figured that out whilst playing with my ball :p

Anyways...trigger movement? :(

[Stick-Munch]

Anyways...trigger movement? :(
The first foot-movement. I go back/across/up, but as I'm not very tall, this has no real benefits. I don't know, I've never had proper coaching :rolleyes:

[Yatty]

Aaaah...I go straight to the ball normally...

It's just in your mind, force yourself to use your front foot straight away to a fuller pitched ball. Your toes should be just beside the ball, and your head right above it. (this is for the drive though)

[Stick-Munch]

Aaaah...I go straight to the ball normally...

It's just in your mind, force yourself to use your front foot straight away to a fuller pitched ball. Your toes should be just beside the ball, and your head right above it. (this is for the drive though)
Eeeh, I don't know; the cream of young English cricketing talent getting batting-coaching from an Aussie in a music-forum site :D

[Yatty]

Eeeh, I don't know; the cream of young English cricketing talent getting batting-coaching from an Aussie in a music-forum site :D


You gotta love it!

New topic :

"Bowling and batting tips"

[Stick-Munch]

You gotta love it!

New topic :

"Bowling and batting tips"
I'm not the best when it comes to giving tips. :upset: But I think my bowling has come along in a year's time ;)

[Yatty]

I'm not the best when it comes to giving tips. :upset: But I think my bowling has come along in a year's time ;)


Start off with the basics :thumb:

For bowling a fast ball, with good line and length :

Keep your head balanced, and keep your eyes on the top of off stump. Works everytime!!

Well I'm off to bed now...see ya guys tomorrow!

[Drop The Baby]

Tony Grieg is the key guy right ?

'We'll just see how hard the pitch is today'


that was Geof Boycoot. Pr!c but legend at the same time.

I'm back and drunk :D

[Drop The Baby]

Batting tips:

early pick up

head still

large strides

i'm f***ed and will try and give better advice tomorrow

[monkeysonmars]

Don't play for a ****e team

[ocdrumandbass]

tony greig is the key guy.... i think


yeah he is.

[Rollo47]

This thread totally went down the drain as soon as I left last night.

Anyways, back to cricket. Did anyone see that footage of Warne playing with Glenn Robbins on the Panel tonight?

[Stick-Munch]

Geof Boycoot. Pr!c but legend at the same time.
Take that back!!!!!!!!!! :angry: Take it....!

[Rollo47]

It's definitely Tony Greig, anyway.

[Stick-Munch]

Benaud > Slater > Boycott > Navjot Singh Sidhu > other commentators

[Yatty]

Benaud > Tony Greig > Ian Chappel > Ian Healy > english commentators :p

[Rollo47]

Everyone > Tony Greig > Mark Waugh

[Stick-Munch]

Benaud > Tony Greig > Ian Chappel > Ian Healy > english commentators :p
Graeme Smith > Matthew Hayden

[Yatty]

Graeme Smith > Matthew Hayden


YOU TAKE THAT BACK BITCH!!


*cough*380 runs*cough*

[Stick-Munch]

YOU TAKE THAT BACK BITCH!!


*cough*380 runs*cough*
Sorry aboot the delay; a problem with t'database.......... ?


Hayden : ave. 58.14

Smith: ave. 58.67 [fewer matches/innings, but still...]

Smith is younger, fitter, more astute, cunning, and South African. And he has the burden of the captaincy. Haydos is just a Tubby-wannabe

[Yatty]

Sorry aboot the delay; a problem with t'database.......... ?


Hayden : ave. 58.14

Smith: ave. 58.67 [fewer matches/innings, but still...]

Smith is younger, fitter, more astute, cunning, and South African. And he has the burden of the captaincy. Haydos is just a Tubby-wannabe

Had the same problem :p

Meh, Hayden is aussie :p

[Drop The Baby]

Hayden is sooo good at short leg. He doesn't even flinch when they go to hit the ball in his direction.


and i'm sure it was Boycott who dug his keys into the pitch

[Stick-Munch]

Had the same problem :p

Meh, Hayden is aussie :p
Like the avatar....! Real classy :lol:

[Rollo47]

Yup, I got that too.

Hayden is superior, in my opinion.

[Yatty]

Hayden is sooo good at short leg. He doesn't even flinch when they go to hit the ball in his direction.


and i'm sure it was Boycott who dug his keys into the pitch

The sheer power he can drive at, whilst making it look like he only uses his finger muscles to hit the ball :(

[Stick-Munch]

Hayden is superior, in my opinion.
You're opinion is as right as Inzy is thin :thumb:

Why is Hayden better than Smith? Smith plays most of his cricket on greenish tracks in South Africa; Australia has mostly pure batting pitches

[Yatty]

You're opinion is as right as Inzy is thin :thumb:

Why is Hayden better than Smith? Smith plays most of his cricket on greenish tracks in South Africa; Australia has mostly pure batting pitches

Yes, we'll still kick anyones butts batting wise on other pitches :p

[Drop The Baby]

India have a better batting line-up the the Aussies

[Stick-Munch]

The sheer power he can drive at, whilst making it look like he only uses his finger muscles to hit the ball :(
But........
Power = nothing, without ability. Look at Flintoff :rolleyes:

[joshmay]

*flooshra-wrong-un-spiddley-deee-spins into thread*

CRICKET SUCKS!

*blasher-bouncer-googly-woogly-hops out of thread*

[Stick-Munch]

*flooshra-wrong-un-spiddley-deee-spins into thread*

CRICKET ROCKS!

*blasher-bouncer-googly-woogly-hops out of thread*
:wave: Yo

[Drop The Baby]

You seriously underate him, Leon. He's much improved over the last couple of years and now merits his place in the team as a bowler and as a batsman.

[Stick-Munch]

You seriously underate him, Leon. He's much improved over the last couple of years and now merits his place in the team as a bowler and as a batsman.

Glorified slogger + pie-thrower = World's best all-rounder?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!? :lol:

[Drop The Baby]

Very good slip catcher also

[Stick-Munch]

Very good slip catcher also
So was Dermott Reeve. Should they give him a re-call??!!?!?!!!?

[Yatty]

India have a better batting line-up the the Aussies


Blah blah, Tendulkar, Dravid, Sehwag...Hayden, Langer, Ponting, Gilchrist...

[Drop The Baby]

Flintoff scored back to back ODI hundreds about a week ago when Tresco and Vaouhn made it past 10 about once between them. He batted sensibly at first getting himself in and then opened up at the end to post very good scores.

That was sensible batting and good thinking. Who do you think the opposition are going to be most scared of in the England team at the moment.

It will be Harmison, maybe Vaughn but flintoff won't be far down the list

[Stick-Munch]

Flintoff scored back to back ODI hundreds about a week ago when Tresco and Vaouhn made it past 10 about once between them. He batted sensibly at first getting himself in and then opened up at the end to post very good scores.
He is a One-Day player only

Blah blah, Tendulkar, Dravid, Sehwag...Langer, Ponting, Gilchrist...
.... Smith, Gibbs, Kallis... Trescothick, Thorpe... Lara, Sarwan > Hayden

[Rollo47]

Bradman > all

End of story.

[Stick-Munch]

Bradman > all

End of story.
Apparently......... Grace > Bradman

[Yatty]

so I'm on the phone with an english..and she's dissing the english team..

[Stick-Munch]

so I'm on the phone with an english..and she's dissing the english team..
So what's new? Ask her who is better; Smith or Hayden

[Yatty]

she says Matthew Hayden... :p

btw it's pusscat :eek:

[Rollo47]

Apparently......... Grace > Bradman

Nah, he just played back when no one could play properly. He was a right porker.

[Yatty]

see it's SIR Donald Bradman...

And, he's the greatest batter to ever lived. R.I.P :upset:

[Stick-Munch]

btw it's pusscat :eek:
Tell her 'Hi!' from me

[Yatty]

Tell her 'Hi!' from me

I'm not on the phone with her anymore :p

Oh and we already talked about you and jlightyearm. She got upset because I didn't mention her in the beginning :P

And now she won't post in here because it's reached 6 pages or something :lol:

[Stick-Munch]

Nah, he just played back when no one could play properly. He was a right porker.
OK, then

Hedley > Bradman .................?

[Rollo47]

Nope, Bradman > All

[Stick-Munch]

Nope, Bradman > All
I've heard Sobers > T'Don too

[Rollo47]

Sobers was good, but an all-rounder, not a specialist batsman. So was W.G Grace, in fact. So you can't really compare. Sir Don was the greatest batsman ever, though. No doubt.

[Stick-Munch]

Sobers was good, but an all-rounder, not a specialist batsman. So was W.G Grace, in fact. So you can't really compare. Sir Don was the greatest batsman ever, though. No doubt.
Athers > Hayden ......... ;)

But seriously, Smith is the better batsman.

[Drop The Baby]

I'm not on the phone with her anymore :p

Oh and we already talked about you and jlightyearm. She got upset because I didn't mention her in the beginning :P

And now she won't post in here because it's reached 6 pages or something :lol:


Hey, i got a mention :D

I do think you are underating Flintoff though still. What do you think of him as an Aussie Yatty?

[pusscat]

Hi stick-munch. No he didn't say hi from you to me. But then i must have hung up anyway! Neightbours had finished it was at that point I relaised just how long I had been on the phone to him - ouch!!!!!

Yatty I'm still waiting for an apology - giggling like a school girl down the phone doesn't consitute and apology.

[Stick-Munch]

Hi stick-munch. No he didn't say hi from you to me. But then i must have hung up anyway! Neightbours had finished it was at that point I relaised just how long I had been on the phone to him - ouch!!!!!
:wave: OK, then. Hi!

Smith > Hayden.... JUST ADMIT IT, PEOPLE!

[pusscat]

you should pop over to the pusscat thread there seems to be booze, music and other stuff!! :naughty:

[Stick-Munch]

you should pop over to the pusscat thread there seems to be booze, music and other stuff!! :naughty:
I was disappointed in you for making that Thread.

Shame!! Shame!! :D

[pusscat]

:upset: really?!

[Stick-Munch]

Yep. No-one, besides Yatty, deserves a Thread dedicated to them.

But I'll pop in and have a butcher's in a minute

[pusscat]

*snif* :upset: Well I hope you like it!

[Stick-Munch]

Yeah, 'twas OK. Nice picture of ya!

[pusscat]

just ok! :( I'm gonna have to better than aren't I!

[Drop The Baby]

You guys were up early

[Bryan Blakey]

:chirp chirp:

Oh, wrong cricket.

Or is it the RIGHT cricket?!?!
























No... it's wrong. :upset:

[pusscat]

I'm at work by 8.20am

[Stick-Munch]

You guys were up early
Yeah, get my mornin' fix of MX :upset:

[flyhalf]

yep crickets a top sport to play in the playground. But i never could be patient enough for school cricket, wasn't patient enough, so i took up rowing instead ;)

How bout a rugby thread yatty? now that's a sport :thumb:

[Stick-Munch]

yep crickets a top sport to play in the playground. But i never could be patient enough for school cricket, wasn't patient enough, so i took up rowing instead ;)

How bout a rugby thread yatty? now that's a sport :thumb:
There was a 'Sport Thread', but it's gone... :confused:

[Drop The Baby]

I think we abused Yatty pretty well in the Sports thread but if you want to do it again we could do it here i suppose?

[pusscat]

Yeah Yatty mentioned that yesterday to me! Must have fallen off the edge

[Stick-Munch]

Yeah Yatty mentioned that yesterday to me! Must have fallen off the edge
Poor Yatmund... :rolleyes:

[Yatty]

You guys abused me?!?! I didn't even notice :(

[Stick-Munch]

You guys abused me?!?! I didn't even notice :(
Yeh, sorry :)

[Yatty]

Yeh, sorry :)


Now where is this sports thrad? :angry:

[Stick-Munch]

It got blown away. It only got a few pages worth

[Drop The Baby]

I see Ricky Ponting's come to play some Twenty20 cricket. I wonder if that slogger Hayden will come?

[Billion $ Gravy]

yatty you get more bizarre as the days pass by.....cricket, i dont have a clue

[Rollo47]

Twenty20 Cricket???
What on earth is that?

[Yatty]

Twenty20 Cricket???
What on earth is that?


My question exactly :confused:

[pusscat]

Cricket that lasts for 20 overs each. 30 less overs than one day cricket

[Drop The Baby]

Where are you from Rollo47? (not in sarcastic way)

Like 50 over cricket but only lasts 20 overs (so it's a slog fest!) but with extras to atract bigger crowds e.g. if a spectator takes a catch then they get a crate of beer etc

[Stick-Munch]

Twenty20 Cricket???
What on earth is that?

http://www.thetwenty20cup.co.uk

[Rollo47]

Australia. We get no mention of that over here. :confused:

[Yatty]

Cricket that lasts for 20 overs each. 30 less overs than one day cricket

ooooh that county game you were talking about :p

[pusscat]

yeah I think so!

...yes!

[Yatty]

There's a 20 20 international between England and Australia next year. In other words, we have Flintoff and Trescothick against Hayden, Gilchrist, Ponting and whoever else the Aussies find by then.

/me turns arrogance mode on


whoa...2 english batters against 3 aussie batters who are way better than the english batters :p

/me turns off arrogance mode

I'm show it'll be an awesome game :thumb:

[pusscat]

that might be worth a butchers!

[Maveryck]

Cricket thread!

I have a little old bat signed by Steve Waugh. Met him ages ago (when I was ten, maybe) at one of those coaching weekends they have. Good bloke too. :thumb:


And Australia will dominate world cricket for the remainder of eternity! :D

[Stick-Munch]

Australia will dominate world cricket for the remainder of eternity! :D
Except for South Africa and England :)

[Yatty]

Except for South Africa and England :)


South Africa is going down and you know it...come on PAUL ADAMS?!?!?


And England need to get the young people into cricket alot more, if they don't, England will become the new Bangladesh :amaze:

[pusscat]

Except for South Africa and the West Indies you mean Stick!

[Yatty]

If Flintoff gets going we have a chance. If not....well at least it's hard to lose 10 wickets in 20 overs.


So you're saying that you rely on him to perform good?

The good thing about the aussie batting line up is that, even if all the star batters don't perform their best, the whole team in whole would of put up a pretty competetive run chase for the opposition. Even if they didn't do that, the bowling and fielding side will back it up wonderfully.

[Yatty]

We've got at least one young player coming through who, if he sticks to cricket could become extraordinary. He's 16 now, is captain of the England Under 16 cricket and plays full back for the England Under 16 rugby. So if I were Australia I wouldnt get too cocky, as he has a choice of sports to kick some *** in. :D

So you're relying on this one youth player?

[Stick-Munch]

South Africa is going down and you know it...come on PAUL ADAMS?!?!?
Best opening batsmen in the World...!
Best opening bowler....!
Best two all-rounders....!
They just need a true spinner... like a Tufnell or a Croft in the early-mid 90s

And England need to get the young people into cricket alot more, if they don't, England will become the new Bangladesh :amaze:
True. Next 10 years look very good, though :thumb:

[Yatty]

Sadly yes, without Flintoff in limited overs it gets pretty sad. Although Andy Strauss looks quite useful. Hopefully by 2007 World Cup most of your best players will have peaked. Although I cant see us being better than you by then.

Well I don't know much about the England side, but time and time again you guys make me believe that England's chances of being better than Australia is very limited.

The 2007 World Cup will be a beauty, the aussies will have alot more challenge. From who though? I don't know. We have a few young players that are excellent cricketers. Sadly though, they hardly get to play at top level because all the other star players we have. But hey? That'll only make the young'uns strive to become better.

[Yatty]

Best opening batsmen in the World...!
Best opening bowler....!
Best two all-rounders....!
They just need a true spinner... like a Tufnell or a Croft in the early-mid 90s


True. Next 10 years look very good, though :thumb:

Those can be questioned.

Best opening bowler? Come on, we've got McGrath, Gillespie, Lee, Kasporwicz, Bichel, Bracken...all of which have been opening bowlers, who's done wonders for the Aussie team. 6 > 1

Maybe they have the best all rounders, but we've got the most exciting all rounder. Andrew Symonds, I love watching him play, he just gets better and better.

Meh, spinner? Do I really have to name names? :p

[Stick-Munch]

Well I don't know much about the England side, but time and time again you guys make me believe that England's chances of being better than Australia is very limited.
We need numbers 3 4 and 5 in the limited-overs game

The 2007 World Cup will be a beauty, the aussies will have alot more challenge. From who though? I don't know. We have a few young players that are excellent cricketers. Sadly though, they hardly get to play at top level because all the other star players we have. But hey? That'll only make the young'uns strive to become better.
India, Sri Lanka, and New Zealand and South africa are the teams to watch in the limited-overs game. The Proteas just need a threatening spinner

Best opening bowler? Come on, we've got McGrath, Gillespie, Lee, Kasporwicz, Bichel, Bracken...all of which have been opening bowlers, who's done wonders for the Aussie team. 6 > 1
:lol: Bichel

Maybe they have the best all rounders, but we've got the most exciting all rounder. Andrew Symonds, I love watching him play, he just gets better and better.
He's ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry: :upset: :upset:

Meh, spinner? Do I really have to name names? :p
Shattit

[pusscat]

If only the West Indies had the tallent that they had a few years back! Boy the would have whooped the Ozzies sorry @ss all over Sibina Park!

[Yatty]

We need numbers 3 4 and 5 in the limited-overs game


India, Sri Lanka, and New Zealand and South africa are the teams to watch in the limited-overs game. The Proteas just need a threatening spinner


:lol: Bichel


He's ENGLISH!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry: :upset: :upset:


Shattit

Come on Sri Lanka? THEY OPEN WITH A BLOODY SPIN BOWLER!! Well they do that when they are playing at home :p

Even though I say England rely on one player, sri lanka are even worse. Come on, murali? Yes he can take wickets, just not the better batsmen in the world.

So symonds may be english, but he plays for the aussie side :p

[Untitled]

Medapolis, is that guy's name Rory?


Lol. Yatty is always trying to claim England base their squads around one player

Oh but we do, England euro 04, as soon as rooney went off the team collasped :amaze:


Im the best batmen in the world, no questions asked :naughty:

[Drop The Baby]

The difference is football is so much of a team game. Rooney played well but wouldn't have scored without the other players. Flintoff etc can score a 100 by just keeping the strike etc

[Stick-Munch]

Come on Sri Lanka? THEY OPEN WITH A BLOODY SPIN BOWLER!! Well they do that when they are playing at home :p
They have 3 or 4 young pacemen coming through. The sub-continent teams can really reverse the ball, too

Even though I say England rely on one player, sri lanka are even worse. Come on, murali? Yes he can take wickets, just not the better batsmen in the world.
True, they need another spinner

So symonds may be english, but he plays for the aussie side :p :angry: Traitor. Biting the hands that fed

[Yatty]

They have 3 or 4 young pacemen coming through. The sub-continent teams can really reverse the ball, too


True, they need another spinner

:angry: Traitor. Biting the hands that fed


We always hear about how so and so team has young players coming through, only time will tell. If only I didn't live in Denmark for 6 years, then I would've been more up to date about everything :upset:

Yes they do need another spinner, or at least they should rely on their whole team, not on one person to bowl 100 overs in a test match.

[Drop The Baby]

I can't stand Sri Lanka. They're so boring and Murali is cheating his way to being the highest ever wicket taker

[Stick-Munch]

We always hear about how so and so team has young players coming through, only time will tell. If only I didn't live in Denmark for 6 years, then I would've been more up to date about everything :upset:
Cricinfo helped me out when my Sky went bust and stopped working :) They had coverage of the U19 World Cup

Yes they do need another spinner, or at least they should rely on their whole team, not on one person to bowl 100 overs in a test match.123. He's a chucker anyway

[Yatty]

I can't stand Sri Lanka. They're so boring and Murali is cheating his way to being the highest ever wicket taker

Don't look at it that way. Sri Lanka give him all the time he needs to take wickets. THEY EVEN MAKE THEIR PITCHES TO ****ING SUIT HIM!! He also doesn't have variety in his bowling, come on.

[Yatty]

Cricinfo helped me out when my Sky went bust and stopped working :) They had coverage of the U19 World Cup

123. He's a chucker anyway


Meh, I don't care about the fact he's supposebly a chucker. It's more about the fact that Sri Lanka constantly give him the ball in hopes that he'll get a wicket. If you saw the Aussie tour of Sri Lanka you would of notice that our better batters could control him. Most of his wickets were from the lower end of batting line up.

[Yatty]

He spins it massively though.

I can understand that they produce pitches to suit him because if they played on fast bouncy wickets they would lose 60% of the time.

If jayasuira was still playing then they'll have a better chance. If they want to be a better team, they should look into more their batting side of things, and pace bowling. Yes Chaminda Vaas is a good bowler, and Zoysa is doing pretty well, but they will soon be retiring, and who'll take over? The "fast" off spinner that they open with at their home grounds? :lol:

[Stick-Munch]

Don't look at it that way. Sri Lanka give him all the time he needs to take wickets. THEY EVEN MAKE THEIR PITCHES TO ****ING SUIT HIM!! He also doesn't have variety in his bowling, come on.He either bowls the off-spinner, the chucked off-spinner, the (illegally positioned) arm ball, or even more illegal doosr'. The cheat


Meh, I don't care about the fact he's supposebly a chucker. It's more about the fact that Sri Lanka constantly give him the ball in hopes that he'll get a wicket. If you saw the Aussie tour of Sri Lanka you would of notice that our better batters could control him. Most of his wickets were from the lower end of batting line up.
:lol: When Steven Fleming worked him out. He bowled 30+ overs at Fleming, and he didn't come close to getting him

[steve6991]

So how many tests has Warne played in comparison to Chucker, just wondering i don't really know the stats.

[Stick-Munch]

So how many tests has Warne played in comparison to Chucker, just wondering i don't really know the stats.
:angry: Chuckalotaran: 90 matches 527 wickets @22.76 S/R58.2
:) Warney: 112 matches 527 wickets @25.47 S/R 59.7

[Drop The Baby]

They just get on my nerves anyway. Remeber that Tri-series in the 98 Ashes (i think it was) between us, Aus and Sri Lanka when Ranatunga took all his players off the pitch because Murali got called for throwing. And Goughy got barged off the ball when trying to run out Mahanama

[Yatty]

Warne 110, Chuck-a-lot-aran 90 I think

That's right :thumb:

Warne is a legend, unlike murali who's only a legend in Sri Lanka. Even if he's having a bad day, he'll still keep the score down :p

[Yatty]

Don't they have a new relatively quick bowler who gave you guys some trouble in the first test?

I didn't see that match :upset:

I only saw the last of it, we won :cool:

Damn my work, it always gets in the way of all the good matches :upset:

[Stick-Munch]

They just get on my nerves anyway. Remeber that Tri-series in the 98 Ashes (i think it was) between us, Aus and Sri Lanka when Ranatunga took all his players off the pitch because Murali got called for throwing. And Goughy got barged off the ball when trying to run out Mahanama
I only liked Aravinda De Silva for Sri Lanka ever. He was great. The new team is OK; Sangakkara, Jayawardene, but nothing special

[Drop The Baby]

The great thing about warne is he's such a thinker, and works batsmen out which is much better to watch

[Stick-Munch]

Don't they have a new relatively quick bowler who gave you guys some trouble in the first test?
Something like Malinga :confused:

http://uk.cricinfo.com/db/PLAYERS/SL/M/MALINGA_SL_08045105/

[steve6991]

Gotta hand it to Warne, he came back from 12 months out of the game to be up there with the chucker in terms of skill, i can still remember Warneys classic hattrick, through the legs of Mike Gatting. Wonderful moment.

[Yatty]

Something like Malinga :confused:

http://uk.cricinfo.com/db/PLAYERS/SL/M/MALINGA_SL_08045105/

Impressive, hopefully they'll keep him :p

[Yatty]

Gotta hand it to Warne, he came back from 12 months out of the game to be up there with the chucker in terms of skill, i can still remember Warneys classic hattrick, through the legs of Mike Gatting. Wonderful moment.


After a 12 month break, he goes on to get 10 wickets in his first test match back. Who else can do that?

[Stick-Munch]

Warney is undoubtedly the best spinner ever. Chuckiah has ruined the game. When Aussie PM John Howard abused him; I laughed so hard

The babies are here.....!

[Drop The Baby]

After a 12 month break, he goes on to get 10 wickets in his first test match back. Who else can do that?

f***ing Glen McGrath got close. Bl**dy Aussies ;)

[pusscat]

well the aussie cricket might can't last forever! Just console yourself with that! They will like the Windies and England before them will eventually demise in to mediocrity

[Yatty]

f***ing Glen McGrath got close. Bl**dy Aussies ;)


Hey. we are aussies :p

[Stick-Munch]

Pollock > McGrath since 2002

[Drop The Baby]

Pollock > McGrath since 2002

:lol:

I think i was a better bowler than McGrath during that time.

Actually probably not.... :upset:

[Stick-Munch]

:wave: See vous Monday morning :wave:

[pusscat]

yeah an you better talk to me on monday :angry: ;) :D

[Drop The Baby]

:wave: See vous Monday morning :wave:

:wave:

Au revoir

[Stick-Munch]

WHAT? A weekend not on the forums? That might make your post count vaguely reasonable (well more so) for an account that has only existed for a month :lol:. Have a good weekend, whatever you are doing.
I am babysitting my baby twin cousins, Megan and Callum. They is so cute :) :)

Byeeeeeeeeeee!

[Drop The Baby]

Soem cricket on the tele today. It's a 50 overs match between Gloucester and Yorkshire, who have two Aussies in their team, Darren Lehmann and Ian Harvey

[Drop The Baby]

Yatty's asleep and Stick-munch is away soooo..... :upset:


Anyone see Craig Spearman yesterday? 143 not out of about 120 balls :amaze:


Great innings

[duffroxmysox]

darn time difference/yatty :p

hello cricket thread :wave:

[Drop The Baby]

Good good. Nice to have another sports fan. Where are you from Medapolis? I presume England......

I think he is a Kiwi but he could qualify for England soon from what i've heard

[Drop The Baby]

Good good. Nice to have another sports fan. Where are you from Medapolis? I presume England......

I think he is a Kiwi but he could qualify for England soon from what i've heard

[Drop The Baby]

Good good. Nice to have another sports fan :thumb: . Where are you from Medapolis? I presume England......

I think he is a Kiwi but he could qualify for England soon from what i've heard

[duffroxmysox]

bloody hell james...I know it was going slow but HOW many posts?!:p

[Stick-Munch]

darn time difference/yatty :p

hello cricket thread :wave:
:wave: Hi

Hey guys, I'm back!!!!!!! :) :) :)
The 1st Test starts on Thursday!!!!!!!! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
We will kick a*s; I guarantee our West Indian friends that much at least :lol:

[pusscat]

Not a chance!

Not a chance!

..oh way acttually maybe :upset:

[Stick-Munch]

Not a chance!

Not a chance!

..oh way acttually maybe :upset:
I think you'll find we will...

Michael Vaughan (c), Marcus Trescothick, Andrew Strauss, Mark Butcher, Graham Thorpe, Andrew Flintoff, Geraint Jones (w), Robert Key, Ashley Giles, Stephen Harmison, Matthew Hoggard, Simon Jones, James Anderson.

[pusscat]

All I know is that Lara will do what he does best. Play inconsitantly! Dam useless twat!

[Stick-Munch]

All I know is that Lara will do what he does best. Play inconsitantly! Dam useless twat!
He's good, and so are Sarwan, Gayle, and one or two others.
But.........
Our bowling > their bowling :thumb:

[pusscat]

Ha can be good! But he is so inconsitant as I say. One minute he's in the hundreds next innings he's out for a duck!

Their bowling :upset: since they lost Cortney and Curtley they just don't have the talent coming through!

[Stick-Munch]

Their bowling :upset: since they lost Cortney and Curtley they just don't have the talent coming through!
Curtly and Courtney are living legends :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
I cried when they retired; they are the greatest new-ball pairing ever

[pusscat]

me too! So did they as I remember rightly! I loved watching Courtney bat! The funnest thing ever!

[Yatty]

Does anyone remember the days of Craig McDermott? Back then he was my fav bowler...only because he bowled fast :lol: I was such an ignorant kid back then :p

[Stick-Munch]

me too! So did they as I remember rightly! I loved watching Courtney bat! The funnest thing ever!
:lol: :lol:





Does anyone remember the days of Craig McDermott? Back then he was my fav bowler...only because he bowled fast :lol: I was such an ignorant kid back then :p
I remember Paul Reiffel... but not McDermott :confused:

[Yatty]

:lol: :lol:






I remember Paul Reiffel... but not McDermott :confused:

That's just downright embarrassing!! Remembering Reiffel but not McDermott :angry:

[Stick-Munch]

That's just downright embarrassing!! Remembering Reiffel but not McDermott :angry:
Which one was McDermott? The first Aussie team I can remember was the 1997 Ashes

[pusscat]

I have to admit to being a girly when it comes to names of most players I can watch it but I will be darned if I know who they all are!

[Yatty]

Which one was McDermott? The first Aussie team I can remember was the 1997 Ashes

TSK TSK!!

McDermotts time was before that, 1992-1995 or something like that :p

[Stick-Munch]

TSK TSK!!

McDermotts time was before that, 1992-1995 or something like that :p
I only really got into it that year, though. When I first saw Warney it was mind-blowing :cool: The Warne Wiggle :naughty:

[Yatty]

I only really got into it that year, though. When I first saw Warney it was mind-blowing :cool: The Warne Wiggle :naughty:

I can't remember the warne wiggle...(damn the whole moving country thing :upset: )

[pusscat]

stick enlighten me again about the wiggle! I should know it just can't place it!

[Stick-Munch]

I can't remember the warne wiggle...(damn the whole moving country thing :upset: )
Warney got a stump and stood on the balcony in t'pavilion at Trent Bridge, and proceeded to... wiggle round while holding the stump above his head

Nah, I can find a pic on t'Web

[Yatty]

Warney got a stump and stood on the balcony in t'pavilion at Trent Bridge, and proceeded to... wiggle round while holding the stump above his head

Nah, I can find a pic on t'Web

:naughty:


Don't find pics....FIND VIDEOS!!!


I need some good old cricket porn...:(

[pusscat]

you know that sounds sooooo unappealing!

[Yatty]

you know that sounds sooooo unappealing!

You do know you should be having phone sex with me right?


(I don't have any credit :upset: )

[Stick-Munch]

:naughty:
Don't find pics....FIND VIDEOS!!!
I need some good old cricket porn...:(
:confused: :confused: :amaze:

you know that sounds sooooo unappealing!
Guess so

[Yatty]

:confused: :confused: :amaze:


Guess so

:lol:

That post did what it was intended to do...confuse you :p

[pusscat]

well I'm at work right now yatty so it will have to wait! And I don't have the money to call you! Hay ho just have to wait! ;)

[Stick-Munch]

:lol:

That post did what it was intended to do...confuse you :p
Curiouser and curiouser.....

[PaulR]

What do you guys think of 20 twenty cricket? Is it a good idea or does it destroy the roots of traditional cricket?

[Stick-Munch]

What do you guys think of 20 twenty cricket? Is it a good idea or does it destroy the roots of traditional cricket?
Good. I love it, but I still prefer Test cricket :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

[pusscat]

er bit of both! It's good to get the people interested in cricket again. But they seem to have almost trivualised it by giving the teams silly names!

[PaulR]

Silly names are good. Where would football be without Zurich Grasshoppers or Newells Old Boys???

[Yatty]

What do you guys think of 20 twenty cricket? Is it a good idea or does it destroy the roots of traditional cricket?

I've played 8 over matches :eek:


They are really fun matches, it just makes you attack even more.

Test cricket is better though, but One Dayers are to me equally as good as Test cricket.

[Stick-Munch]

Test cricket is better though, but One Dayers are to me equally as good as Test cricket.
I think the 50 Over is pants compared to twenty20, but 20 is too short. UCBSA [South Africa Cricket] are planning on introducing new one-day rules in order to enliven it
Test cricket > everything else

[Yatty]

I think the 50 Over is pants compared to twenty20, but 20 is too short. UCBSA [South Africa Cricket] are planning on introducing new one-day rules in order to enliven it
Test cricket > everything else

All these new rules and blah blah, they've been introducing new rulse into one dayers for a while now.

the next rule will be "hit and run" If you hit the ball, or even block it you have to run :lol:

[Stick-Munch]

the next rule will be "hit and run" If you hit the ball, or even block it you have to run :lol:
I wouldn't put it past them

[PaulR]

All these new rules and blah blah, they've been introducing new rulse into one dayers for a while now.

the next rule will be "hit and run" If you hit the ball, or even block it you have to run :lol:


That would suck. Like qwik cricket!???
That game truly is poor. You have plastic bats, and tennis balls. :angry:

[pusscat]

well it would make for some interesting watching!

[Stick-Munch]

That would suck. Like qwik cricket!???
That game truly is poor. You have plastic bats, and tennis balls. :angry:
No 7 year-olds should be given a real bat, though. The consequences would be unimaginable. But yeah, it sucks.

What is the Australian take on youth cricket, like the England Pride Side venture?

http://www.ecb.co.uk/kids/pride-side

[Yatty]

No 7 year-olds should be given a real bat, though. The consequences would be unimaginable. But yeah, it sucks.

What is the Australian take on youth cricket, like the England Pride Side venture?

http://www.ecb.co.uk/kids/pride-side

Well I don't think we've got anything like that, as youth cricket in australia is doing pretty good.


If you have a succesfull national side, then the youth will follow. This is my theory though :(

[Drop The Baby]

I think Twenty20 is really good but Test Cricket is better than everything else :thumb:

Iwas going to go to a Twenty20 match today at the Oval but it's sold out which makes a nice change :amaze:

[Stick-Munch]

Well I don't think we've got anything like that, as youth cricket in australia is doing pretty good.


If you have a succesfull national side, then the youth will follow. This is my theory though :(
:thumb: 'K

[Drop The Baby]

How was practise Leon?

[The Jolly Pakistani]

Well I don't think we've got anything like that, as youth cricket in australia is doing pretty good.


If you have a succesfull national side, then the youth will follow. This is my theory though :(



a good theory...btw australia is an amazing team...The handed us our a*s in the '99 World Cup Final. We had the lowest ever World Cup Final score in that game I believe?

In Pakistan you cant leave your DRIVEWAY without interrupting a game of street cricket, and our national team still blows the donkey...

[Drop The Baby]

You have some new talent coming through though i believe. And certainley the more people who are playing the game, the higher chance there is that some talent will be unearthed.

I think at the moment Pakistan are just a bit short after losing a few key players after Wasim, Waquar and Anwar left the scene

[Stick-Munch]

How was practise Leon?
Eeek, didn't see this. 'Twas OK, batting in t'nets for 20 mins! :thumb: Thumb went when I was bowling, so I wasn't as good as usual :rolleyes:

[Drop The Baby]

So Surrey continue their unbeaten run in the Twenty20, Adam Hollioake is on fire at the moment :amaze:

[Stick-Munch]

Test Cricket > twenty20

Roll on Thursday, 10:30 am, @ HQ

See ya in a bit

[The Jolly Pakistani]

I think at the moment Pakistan are just a bit short after losing a few key players after Wasim, Waquar and Anwar left the scene


:lol: the mick jaggers of cricket...

Its true though, we have plenty of very young people join the national team. Which is probably why players like Abdur razzak never got past grade 10...


on a completely different topic, did you know Wasim joined the national time by an error he made. He was supposed to go to the PIA trials but accidently went the to the national team trials. The rest is history...

[Drop The Baby]

No i didn't know that but by the way he turned out it was probably only a matter of time before he ended up there anyway.

what is the situation with Saqlain at the moment? I know he's injured now but he doesn't seem to feature in the team as regularly as i would have thought

[The Jolly Pakistani]

if he was in any condition to play then they would make him because he is indeed a talented bowler. Then again he is also starting to get along in years. So is moin and Inzimaam...the team is going to hell...

[Drop The Baby]

You've got some good all rounders in Mahmood and Razzaq and they've been around a while depite not being too old

[The Jolly Pakistani]

that is true...bowling has mostly been the teams forte ( waqar younis, wasim akram, shoaib aktar)

Its when we step up to the crease...afridi usually flies off the handle and gets himself caught but its very entertaining to watch

so where you from jlightyearm?

[Stick-Munch]

Pakistan? Not as good as they were, but they have some great youngsters coming through. Abdul Razzaq is a veteran, at 25!

[The Jolly Pakistani]

yeah...these kids leave school to join the national team

so much raw talent...




its about to roll over to a hundred:D

[Stick-Munch]

Saqqy has an injury and is out of favour with the selectors.

Harbhajan Singh > Saqlain

[Drop The Baby]

I'm from London and my name's James.

I think the team could do with just looking to tighten up a few areas for example if Afridi (however exciting he is to watch) stopped trying to hit every ball for 6 and worked out which balls he should leave then he could score many more runs.

And it's the same thing with Shoaib. He's a good bowler at the moment but if he thought about his game a bit more and tried to work out what are a batsman's uncomfortable areas and bowl there rther than just bowling as quick as he can which doesn't work against the best batsmen as he found out in the series where Hayden dominated him

[The Jolly Pakistani]

Saqqy has an injury and is out of favour with the selectors.

Harbhajan Singh > Saqlain


:upset:



WOO HOO! 100 posts!





am i still a noob?












:upset: *realizes that because he had to ask, he still is :upset:

[Stick-Munch]

http://uk.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2004/JUL/001532_ENGWI2004_20JUL2004.html
:upset: :upset:

[Drop The Baby]

Yeah i saw that earlier. the bad news is not so much the injury but that Rob Key is the likely replacement :upset: :upset:

[The Jolly Pakistani]

I strikes me as strange that the highest runs scored in one game and the most wickets in an ODI career are both held by pakistanis...

and the kicker is, cricket isnt even our official sport..








:amaze:its field hockey:amaze:

[Stick-Munch]

Yeah i saw that earlier. the bad news is not so much the injury but that Rob Key is the likely replacement :upset: :upset:
:angry: :angry: :angry: Give him a chance...!! Who should replace him then?... 'Clarke' ? 'Brown' ? 'Ramprakash' ? 'Hollioake' ?

[Yatty]

Butcher's out? :lol: :lol: :lol:


Sorry :p

[Stick-Munch]

Butcher's out? :lol: :lol: :lol:


Sorry :p
We'll still beat 'em. Don't you worry

[Yatty]

We'll still beat 'em. Don't you worry

Who knows :p

You never know about the english' form :p

[Stick-Munch]

Who knows :p

You never know about the english' form :p
But......

our bowling > their bowling

our fielding (only just)> their fielding

[Yatty]

But......

our bowling > their bowling

our fielding (only just)> their fielding


Yeah, but still form?

What if the windies pull up some great form against you guys? You'll have trouble with them, I'm sure :p

[Stick-Munch]

Yeah, but still form?

What if the windies pull up some great form against you guys? You'll have trouble with them, I'm sure :p
Form Schmorm; we've got the confidence after a certain back-to-back 3-0

[pusscat]

here's hoping they do!

[Stick-Munch]

here's hoping they do!
No chance, darl :p

[Drop The Baby]

Rob Key has had many chances, as have all those other players you listed. It's time to give people like Bell, Shah, Collingwood, Joyce a shot at test cricket

[Stick-Munch]

Rob Key has had many chances, as have all those other players you listed. It's time to give people like Bell, Shah, Collingwood, Joyce a shot at test cricket
Bell= remarkably inconsistent
Shah= " "
Collingwood= not a specialist batsman

Joyce seems a good option

[Yatty]

Bell= remarkably inconsistent
Shah= " "
Collingwood= not a specialist batsman

Joyce seems a good option

I remember collingwood....he played quite well in the ODI's in Australia in the 02/03 season

[Stick-Munch]

I remember collingwood....he played quite well in the ODI's in Australia in the 02/03 season
Flintoff plays well in all ODIs, but he isn't a Test number 6

[Stick-Munch]

He's been averaging 40+ in his last few series I think though...If he carries on developing (he's only 26), he could easily fill the role even better than he has been.
It has taken 6 years to get there... the sign of a non-World Class player if ever there were one

[Drop The Baby]

I think Flintoff will be one of the best players in the world within 2 years. He's playing as a specialist batsman on thursday due to his ankle injury and i think he's a great player to have there

[Stick-Munch]

I think Flintoff will be one of the best players in the world within 2 years. He's playing as a specialist batsman on thursday due to his ankle injury and i think he's a great player to have there
Hmmm, what are the chances it being........

A Flintoff: 60r 80mins 72b 9x4 3x6......? PLAY A PROPER INNINGS!!

[Drop The Baby]

It's often the case that players under perform in County Cricket as they are not highly motivated enough, whereas others who are so dominant at County level can't hack it at Test level as they have too much adrenaline. Examples of the first case would be Strauss, Vaughn or Atherton and examples of the second case would be Hick and Ramprakash

[Drop The Baby]

Hmmm, what are the chances it being........

A Flintoff: 60r 80mins 72b 9x4 3x6......? PLAY A PROPER INNINGS!!


his last test hundred against the Windies that set up Englands test win (3rd i think) was a slow dull hundred. Check it up on CricInfo

[Stick-Munch]

It's often the case that players under perform in County Cricket as they are not highly motivated enough, whereas others who are so dominant at County level can't hack it at Test level as they have too much adrenaline. Examples of the first case would be Strauss, Vaughn or Atherton and examples of the second case would be Hick and Ramprakash
I agree to an extent, but if they're not motivated to do their day job they shouldn't be a cricketer. The others are just slackers who can't hack it

his last test hundred against the Windies that set up Englands test win (3rd i think) was a slow dull hundred. Check it up on CricInfo
Once in 56 innings= not good enough



http://uk.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2004/JUL/001944_WCI_20JUL2004.html :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

[Drop The Baby]

I forgot to check back here :sad:

Lol. It shows a new level of maturity by Flintoof though and you can't hold his pretty distant past form against him forever. The fact is there is no-one better.

The reason for different people's success and failings is all due to arousal levels. This is very scientific (i do PE A-level) but here goes, using Hick as an example.


For a county match he has the perfect amount of adrenaline to get into his optimum performance zone, and therefore plays well.

Test Cricket has a different level of intensity and so more adrenaline is released and so he goes over the optimum performance levl and therefore plays badly.

This the the opposite for Michael Atherton for example

[starcrossed]

Michael Vaughan as Captain?

i reckon its time for a change. there is nothing wrong with his captaincy, but his bating average has plummeted since he was made skipper.

As for flintoff, i believe he is a test no 5 and a optional bowler.

We have the fast bowling of harmison, Jones & hoggard among others, then collingwood, and giles and vaughan (?) with their spin. freddie sometimes bowls a pile of poo, other times he is brilliant.