Euro 2008 (Official Man City LOL Thread)

[ChodaBoy]

Hughes better start doing some work soon. He still plays Ben-Haim despite him being as bad as Gomes for Spurs. Vassell gets put in over Elano, and theres still no organisation at the back.

[RandyfromPennywise]

lol weird seeing Fly Emirates on a Chelsea shirt.

Not for me, I've got five Chelsea shirts with that sponsor blazened across the front.

Man City could do with Petrov about now, pity he's injured. Good player. Kompany is a beast in midfield, reckon he's a great signing for them. He, Fellaini, Nasri and Deco have all been good additions to the league this season in midfield. Modrić has been meh, but I never expected him to be anything outstanding - he was never that good.

[The_Passenger]

Deco and Fellaini haven't been that great (they've done OK but nothing more) and Nasri has been inconsistent (although I spose that Arsenal as a whole have been) tbh.

[mph4ever]

omit deco from that. and even then they're poor additions

at the end of the season they will talk more of modric than anyone

man city could do without new owners. they never were and never will be anything special. if you are a genuinely world class player, capable of leaving a legacy then you won't go to a place like city, even chelsea can't attract the greats except for money. madrid, milan, manu, barca are the places to go. all players are in awe of them

[Britney Diva]

Fellaini is brutal. He's probably the main reason Everton concede about 4 goals every game.

[mph4ever]

who will be manu's new manager?

like, we are talking about someone who has to take over a dynasty. we are talking about a legacy like shankly, busby, paisley or someone similar. united don't need to get into a madrid, chelsea, inter type situaton. more than anything they need continuity.

so who will it be?

[poorquality]

who will be manu's new manager?

like, we are talking about someone who has to take over a dynasty. we are talking about a legacy like shankly, busby, paisley or someone similar. united don't need to get into a madrid, chelsea, inter type situaton. more than anything they need continuity.

so who will it be?

Solskjaer >_> Running the reserves until Fergie quits.
Keane <_< Running sunderland until Fergie quits

*cough*

[mph4ever]

not bad

hughes, bruce, they all come to mind, but who?

[sgrevs]

Solskjaer >_> Running the reserves until Fergie quits.
Keane <_< Running sunderland until Fergie quits

*cough*


That's what I was thinking. Solskjaer doesn't have it in him.

[TakeWarning]

I believe there's been some talk about The Special One taking over from Fergie.

[RandyfromPennywise]

omit deco from that. and even then they're poor additions


What? Why omit Deco? You reckon Deco is a poor addition? Kompany is certainly not a poor addition. Nasri's as good as Hleb - who has no end product. At least the Frenchman scores. Fellaini looks like a real prospect - the kid's only 20. Kompany's only 22 as well. Can't see how you can possibly say that they've been poor additions. Kompany is better than Hamann. Deco is better than most of the Chelsea squad. Fellaini is better than Lee Carsley.

[TakeWarning]

What? Why omit Deco? You reckon Deco is a poor addition? Kompany is certainly not a poor addition. Nasri's as good as Hleb - who has no end product. At least the Frenchman scores. Fellaini looks like a real prospect - the kid's only 20. Kompany's only 22 as well. Can't see how you can possibly say that they've been poor additions. Kompany is better than Hamann. Deco is better than most of the Chelsea squad. Fellaini is better than Lee Carsley.

Looks more like Screech from Saved By The Bell to me.

http://www.sportwereld.be/Assets/Images_Upload/2008/04/28/Fellaini.jpg
http://www.pestaola.gr/images/screech_saved_by_the_bell.jpg

[RandyfromPennywise]

Hahaha, I was just reading Screech's Wikipedia page and he released a sex tape in 2006. Ah dear what has the world become.

[radtaste]

Viduka back at training \m/

[Britney Diva]

Fellaini is better than Lee Carsley.
Lee Carsley is no world-beater, but he did his job. Fellaini is classy on the ball and has chipped in a couple of goals, but his defensive instincts are virtually non-existent, which is a slight problem when your job description is supposed to be defensive midfielder. Sides like Chelsea and Manchester United (barring the awful display a few weeks ago- but even then Berbatov and Rooney cut through their defence like a knife through a Belgian waffle) will continue to tear them apart, and Blackburn Rovers will probably have a go too.

[RandyfromPennywise]

Lee Carsley is no world-beater, but he did his job. Fellaini is classy on the ball and has chipped in a couple of goals, but his defensive instincts are virtually non-existent, which is a slight problem when your job description is supposed to be defensive midfielder. Sides like Chelsea and Manchester United (barring the awful display a few weeks ago- but even then Berbatov and Rooney cut through their defence like a knife through a Belgian waffle) will continue to tear them apart, and Blackburn Rovers will probably have a go too.

To be fair, I wasn't having a dig at Carsely either. He did his job, that's correct, good pro. I just think that at 20, Fellaini's got a lot of potential. Even so I still think he's quite ok at the moment. Even though last night he and Cahill passed directly to the opposition about a dozen times each. But Cahill's endeavour and effort were faultless last night, even going over the top at times with some silly tackles, but he looks well up for it does our Timmy. I was thinking today that Everton should still try to get Moutinho. I reckon if they are going to play a five-man midfield like Moyes prefers, then that'd be an awesome midfield: Arteta-Fellaini-Cahill-Moutinho-Pienaar/Osman. Yeah Pienaar and Osman aren't world-beaters but they're serviceable.

And next gaffer of United? Who cares. Dynasty is OVER. 1993-2008.

[mph4ever]

What? Why omit Deco? You reckon Deco is a poor addition?

deco to chelsea=henry to barca. jury is still out. not sure frank will play his best alongside him


Kompany is certainly not a poor addition.

good enough of a player. prone to injury though. and prone to the odd tantrum.

Nasri's as good as Hleb - who has no end product. At least the Frenchman scores.

certainly can score. helb is a bit like steve mcmanaman for liverpool, i can't see what anyone sees in him

Fellaini looks like a real prospect - the kid's only 20. Kompany's only 22 as well. Can't see how you can possibly say that they've been poor additions. Kompany is better than Hamann. Deco is better than most of the Chelsea squad. Fellaini is better than Lee Carsley.
sorry. poor was too strong. sorry. my bad. i'd say the jury is out on most them.

Deco is better than most of the Chelsea squad.

who can you compare him to at chelsea?



And next gaffer of United? Who cares. Dynasty is OVER. 1993-2008.
1986.
i am just wondering if anyone has a real idea, one that makes sense. might even feel that the appointee has been more or less chosen at this stage

[RandyfromPennywise]

who can you compare him to at chelsea?


1986.
i am just wondering if anyone has a real idea, one that makes sense. might even feel that the appointee has been more or less chosen at this stage

1. I can compare him to: Paolo Ferreira, Belletti, Ivanović, Ashley Cole, Mikel, Miniero, Kalou. He's got more skill, is more tactically advanced, is more technically advanced, has better vision that all of these players. He's one of the best players in the world in his position. Using that as a measure, he's one of the better players in the Chelsea squad.

2. 1986, pfft. 1993 my son.

Roy Keane, surely.

[Britney Diva]

The next Man Utd manager is Steve Staunton.

[mph4ever]

1. I can compare him to: Paolo Ferreira, Belletti, Ivanović, Ashley Cole, Mikel, Miniero, Kalou. He's got more skill, is more tactically advanced, is more technically advanced, has better vision that all of these players. He's one of the best players in the world in his position. Using that as a measure, he's one of the better players in the Chelsea squad.

hes a very unique talent. hard to compare him to anyone already at chelsea. btw, its hard to imagine what scolari will do when he has all of the midfielders available.


2. 1986, pfft. 1993 my son.

truth be known, it started in january 1990, united against forest in the cup.

Roy Keane, surely.
keane hasn't set the world on fire at sunderland

[innerdark]

I believe there's been some talk about The Special One taking over from Fergie.

Mourinho wouldn't go to Man utd. I think there'd be a possibility of them going for Carlos Queiroz and keeping Mike Phelan as assistant

[The_Passenger]

1. I can compare him to: Paolo Ferreira, Belletti, Ivanović, Ashley Cole, Mikel, Miniero, Kalou. He's got more skill, is more tactically advanced, is more technically advanced, has better vision that all of these players. He's one of the best players in the world in his position. Using that as a measure, he's one of the better players in the Chelsea squad.

You cannot compare an attacking midfielder to full-backs and holding players. Even a winger like Kalou is a strecth. Saying he has more skill and technique also doesn't necessarily mean he's the better player, Deco has more skill and technique than Carvalho, but if offered on of the pair I'd take the latter without giving it too much thought. The qualities you've pointed out that Deco has aren't hugely important for most of the positions the other players you mentioned play in.

I swear I've posted something similar to this in this thread before.

edit: also, why wouldn't mourinho go to manchester united?

[mph4ever]

is robbie keane actually injured?

[innerdark]

edit: also, why wouldn't mourinho go to manchester united?


Mourinho going to united in the next few years would be like Walter Smith going to aberdeen. there's an element of a rivalry there that'll only develop further if they keep making up the top 2. I just personally don't see him going there in the near future.

[RandyfromPennywise]

You cannot compare an attacking midfielder to full-backs and holding players. Even a winger like Kalou is a strecth. Saying he has more skill and technique also doesn't necessarily mean he's the better player, Deco has more skill and technique than Carvalho, but if offered on of the pair I'd take the latter without giving it too much thought. The qualities you've pointed out that Deco has aren't hugely important for most of the positions the other players you mentioned play in.

I swear I've posted something similar to this in this thread before.

edit: also, why wouldn't mourinho go to manchester united?

Tecnique, tactical awareness, vision, touch. Every position on the pitch requires these attributes, and any player worth his crust in any position will possess a high level of all of them. You can compare players from different positions: Deco is a better player than Paolo Ferreira, that's just fact. Beckenbauer was better than Mario Basler. Buffon is better than Joey Barton. To suggest that some positions (I assume you mean defenders and goal-keepers) don't require technique and tactical awareness is, well, for lack of a better phrase, so very British of you.

mph for ever - I imagine he'll do what he did at the start of the season - play four central midfielders - Deco, Lamps, Ballack and Mikel. Then have Joe Cole/Malouda somewhere ahead of them, behind Anelka/Drogba. I don't know, I think the 4-3-3 has been working very well and I'd like to stick with it, but asking one of Lamps or Ballack to be defensive midfielder (Deco is not an option there, obviously) is probably not going to happen. So Mikel will play (until Essien is back (March or April)) and then Scolari probably won't leave out any of the trio. Pity, 'cause it means only one of Malouda and Joe Cole can play in that system. Put Joey in place of Kalou in our current line-up and we'd be killing 'em.

And Mourinho to Man Utd - yeah, can't see it happening. The Special One would probably do it. He'd love the attention, fame and controversy the appointment would bring, but I'm not sure Manure would do it. As well, the point about consistency and looking for a long-term appointment probably rules out José. He's the type of character that seems to stick around long enough to do what he wants to do, and that's probably be winning another Champions League and a couple of Leagues or a double, and with him there, that'd probably happen within the first five years, then he'd be gone. I can see him wanting to manage in Spain too, Barcelona or Real, so then he will have managed in the big three leagues plus his own domestic league, giving his CV a nice look to it. And he wants to go out by managing Portugal. He'll probably guide them to the World Cup, you know.

So for now I'm sticking with Keano for 2010 or 2011.

[The_Passenger]

Tecnique, tactical awareness, vision, touch. Every position on the pitch requires these attributes, and any player worth his crust in any position will possess a high level of all of them. You can compare players from different positions: Deco is a better player than Paolo Ferreira, that's just fact. Beckenbauer was better than Mario Basler. Buffon is better than Joey Barton. To suggest that some positions (I assume you mean defenders and goal-keepers) don't require technique and tactical awareness is, well, for lack of a better phrase, so very British of you.



I never said that players don't require technique and tactical awareness, what I said was is that Deco has these in more abundance than Carvalho (certainly technique anyway) and I think that Carvalho is a better defender than Deco is a midfielder. I'm not saying that defenders don't need vision and technique, it's just not as high on the list of priorities as it is for a playmaker or winger.

[RandyfromPennywise]

I never said that players don't require technique and tactical awareness, what I said was is that Deco has these in more abundance than Carvalho (certainly technique anyway) and I think that Carvalho is a better defender than Deco is a midfielder. I'm not saying that defenders don't need vision and technique, it's just not as high on the list of priorities as it is for a playmaker or winger.

Yeah, Lord Percy Carvalho wasn't one of the players I was referring to when I said Deco was better than most of our squad. I'd say anticipation is Carvalho's greatest strength. The lad's absolute class, one of the top half-a-dozen centre-backs in the world in this punter's opinion.

[TakeWarning]

I would say he's easily in the top three best in the world. I'd rate him as second behind Ferdinand probably.

But I must admit, I don't watch other European leagues too often.

[RandyfromPennywise]

BAHAHA Ferdinand AHAHA THAT IS GOLD! You should do stand-up.

[Britney Diva]

He is a similar sort of player to Ferdinand. They're both classy ball-players at the back, but they tend to struggle defensively without a proper defender beside them, and to be fair they're both blessed to play alongside the two best in the Premiership/Europe.

Spare a thought for poor Anton Ferdinand. He has to play alongside Danny Collins!

[Britney Diva]

He is a similar sort of player to Ferdinand. They're both classy ball-players at the back, but they tend to struggle defensively without a proper defender beside them, and to be fair they're both blessed to play alongside the two best in the Premiership/Europe.

Spare a thought for poor Anton Ferdinand. He has to play alongside Danny Collins!

[mph4ever]

the outstanding pair of central defenders presently has to be rio and vidic, and they will only get better once they have a little bit more protection on the right side and perhaps when vds bows out. neville should take a bow too

terry and ricardo are up there but they tend not to be fit at the same time a lot

[RandyfromPennywise]

Rio is over-rated by many. He's good. He's about as good as Alex. And Alex is awesome. So not having a huge dig at Ali G but he's no where near as good as the likes of Nemanja, John or Ricardo. Come to think of it, Rio's about as good as onesize Fitz Hall. So that was having a dig at Big Stupid Monkey Rio. If Nesta wasn't always injured he'd be there too.

[mph4ever]

tbh rio is generally under-rated by many up this end. i think it might be something to do with the ease, efficiency, style and skill about which he does his job. hes the rock that manu's defense is built upon but then i have to say he has the perfect partner

[TakeWarning]

BAHAHA Ferdinand AHAHA THAT IS GOLD! You should do stand-up.

Go on then, tell me who you think is the best CB in the world at the moment.

I'm going to guess it's someone who plays for Chelsea.

[Pastorius]

Carragher

/slinks off

[mph4ever]

BAHAHA Ferdinand AHAHA THAT IS GOLD! You should do stand-up.

if terry were able to do stand up then chelsea would be champions of europe

http://www.manunitedpies.tv/22mayterry.jpg

[Britney Diva]

tbh rio is generally under-rated by many up this end. i think it might be something to do with the ease, efficiency, style and skill about which he does his job. hes the rock that manu's defense is built upon but then i have to say he has the perfect partner
switch rio with vido and this makes sense

[mph4ever]

maybe, but i am not sure yet

[Britney Diva]

I think you are probably the first person ever to call Rio a rock. He's a very good player, but Vidic is the backbone to United's defence like Terry is the backbone to Chelsea's defence like that big gigantic hole where everybody scores their goals is the backbone to Arsenal's defence.

[Iai]

re: Mourinho to Man U

1) Mourinho and Ferguson were/are quite good friends behind the scenes. There've been reports that Fergie himself wants him as his successor and I believe them completely, there's major mutual respect going on there.

2) The Chelsea/Man U rivallry would only be a factor if Mourinho were still there. He'd love the chance to get one over on them and you know it. He no doubt still has a strong connection to several players there (Terry, Carvalho, Lampard, even Deco really), but that wouldn't stop him wanting to get back at Abra.

3) Manchester United ****ing LOVE drama and making massive statements. It's practically ingrained into their history and mentality.

4) If you polled United fans, which United are likely to do (they're a business after all), I'll bet you any money Mourinho would be the most popular choice.

[mph4ever]

I think you are probably the first person ever to call Rio a rock. He's a very good player, but Vidic is the backbone to United's defence like Terry is the backbone to Chelsea's defence like that big gigantic hole where everybody scores their goals is the backbone to Arsenal's defence.

matter of opinion, maybe i should have said foundation instead of rock. ferdinand has come into his own with the demise of neville. hes is the leader at the back now

and carvalho is a better player than terry

[innerdark]

I think you are probably the first person ever to call Rio a rock. He's a very good player, but Vidic is the backbone to United's defence like Terry is the backbone to Chelsea's defence like that big gigantic hole where everybody scores their goals is the backbone to Arsenal's defence.

And much like Caldwell and McManus are... wait, forget that hehe

speaking of the chuckle brothers, I can see that being our 2 in the middle of defense when we play Argentina tomorrow... the only thing that comes to mind is "god help us":lol:

[Britney Diva]

REMEMBER Peter Ndlovu, the pacy lad from Zimbabwe who had a few good years with Coventry City way, way back in the 1990s? Well, he's 35 now and seeing out his footballing days in South Africa with Thanda Royal Zulu.

Last week the London Evening Standard tracked down Ndlovu's blog and found in it a little tribute to his former Coventry manager Ron Atkinson, who, of course, lost his ITV job a few years back for making a racist remark about Marcel Desailly.

"Big Ron remains a good friend and being called racist was a terrible representation of the man," he wrote.

"In my time at Coventry, he treated me with utmost respect. Big Ron doesn't mean any harm to anyone. Well, apart from one time, when he hit Steve Orgrizovic in the face with a fish during a club trip."

As we suspected, they just don't make 'em like Big Ron any more.

[mph4ever]

wasn't oggy the bloke who ian wright hit in the face with his knee and spread from ear to ear

[poorquality]

Who said Gerrard wasn't Englands golden boy?


The build-up to England's friendly with Germany on Wednesday has been dominated by the absence of several first-choice regulars, most notably Steve Gerrard.

With the likes of Ferdinand, Lampard, Rooney, J.Cole, A.Cole, Brown, Hart and Walcott out also.

[Happy]

All lazy cunts.

[poorquality]

I'm happy with the United players rested, league is more important than some poncy friendly against zee germans.

Club > Country

I think some people will agree

[Happy]

Really?

England v Germany is rivalry at the highest level.

[innerdark]

Really?

England v Germany is rivalry at the highest level.

Take it you've never been in the vicinity of an Old Firm match then.

[Pastorius]

I'm Welsh so I'm glad Gerrard isn't playing.

[Happy]

Take it you've never been in the vicinity of an Old Firm match then.

I meant international wise.

[innerdark]

I'm happy with the United players rested, league is more important than some poncy friendly against zee germans.

Club > Country

I think some people will agree

didn't see this. I'm kind of ambivalent about it. On the one hand, your club pays your wages and so on, and if the worst happens, you can send both your fist team keepers away and have both of them injured a la Getafe. On the other hand, it's your country, and it's an honour to play for them, friendly or not.

[innerdark]

I meant international wise.
I dunno, I'd say England vs Scotland's pretty fierce as well... I mean, you still haven't forgiven us for breaking your goalposts :lol:

[mph4ever]

Really?

England v Germany is rivalry at the highest level.
only for the english

Take it you've never been in the vicinity of an Old Firm match then.
thats sectarian, its based on generations of hate

[radtaste]

Really?

England v Germany is rivalry at the highest level.

lol, don't mention the war.

[poorquality]

didn't see this. I'm kind of ambivalent about it. On the one hand, your club pays your wages and so on, and if the worst happens, you can send both your fist team keepers away and have both of them injured a la Getafe. On the other hand, it's your country, and it's an honour to play for them, friendly or not.

Yeah from a players point of view it is an honour to don the Countries shirt.

But my view was more based from a fans perspective, I'm happy the players of my team aren't playing in a pointless friendly because I firmly believe in club before country. For me the club is what you support and get behind week in, week out, what you love, what you're passionate about.

The country gets my support too, in major competitions ever 2 years, doesn't compare to the support and link between a fan and their club though.

Course that's all my opinion

[Happy]

I dunno, country before club for me.

[RandyfromPennywise]

and carvalho is a better player than terry

In terms of pure skill, Carvalho is better. Finishing, passing, movement. In terms of attributes which are important for defenders:

Passing - equal
Tackling - probably equal, Terry maybe in front
Marking - probably equal
Heading - Terry in front but Carvalho's good too
Positional play - probably equal
Anticipation - Carvalho in front
Attacking - Carvalho in front by a long way except for set-pieces

But then the mental attributes come in to it, and Terry is ahead by some way there - and no disresepect to Carvalho, but Terry is almost the perfect on-pitch leader: he's brave, he's loud, he puts the team first, he loves the club, he motivates, he's determined and he wants to win.

Although Carvalho's sensational, Terry's the first defender on the team sheet every week for me.

Go on then, tell me who you think is the best CB in the world at the moment.

I'm going to guess it's someone who plays for Chelsea.

Ah, let's start with the guy who plays 15-metres across the pitch from him. He's big, scary, brave, a bit of a nutter, and he's Serbian. He is Nemanja Vidić.

I'm not sure Vidić is the best in the world at the moment but in terms of this conversation, he's better than Ferdinand, which is what I commented on in the first place. I don't know if I can give you 'the best CB in the world at the moment', but I rate Vidić, Terry and Carvalho ahead of Rio Ferdinand. I rate Rio Ferdinand on about the same level as Kolo Touré, a fit Nesta, or Christian Chivu.


Club > Country

I think some people will agree
I know this is how a lot of people from other countries feel, but for me this attitude is awful. The country is so much more than a club. You are respresenting your nation by pulling on that shirt. Australia will always come before Chelsea or Adelaide United for me, no question about it. Australia winning the World Cup, I would trade in every club-football experience I've ever had to see that. When we beat Uruguay to qualify for the World Cup on November 16 2005, that is still one of the best experiences of my life. It's something I will never forget for as long as I live.

EDIT: Just read your other post. Yeah the major tournaments, ok ok, but for me, anytime Australia is playing, anywhere, I am supporting 100%. World Cup qualifiers, Asian Cup qualifiers, friendlies (unless they are against Singapore with our third team playing), wherever there is a gold shirt and green shorts, they are representing me and my country and it makes me feel proud to be able to support them. And politically-speaking I am not overtly patriotic at all.


"In my time at Coventry, he treated me with utmost respect. Big Ron doesn't mean any harm to anyone. Well, apart from one time, when he hit Steve Orgrizovic in the face with a fish during a club trip."
Golden.

[mph4ever]

In terms of pure skill, Carvalho is better. Finishing, passing, movement. In terms of attributes which are important for defenders:

Passing - equal
Tackling - probably equal, Terry maybe in front
Marking - probably equal
Heading - Terry in front but Carvalho's good too
Positional play - probably equal
Anticipation - Carvalho in front
Attacking - Carvalho in front by a long way except for set-pieces

But then the mental attributes come in to it, and Terry is ahead by some way there - and no disresepect to Carvalho, but Terry is almost the perfect on-pitch leader: he's brave, he's loud, he puts the team first, he loves the club, he motivates, he's determined and he wants to win.

Although Carvalho's sensational, Terry's the first defender on the team sheet every week for me.


thats an emotional attachment carvalho>terry - as a player and defender


Ah, let's start with the guy who plays 15-metres across the pitch from him. He's big, scary, brave, a bit of a nutter, and he's Serbian. He is Nemanja Vidić.

his main export is pain

I'm not sure Vidić is the best in the world at the moment but in terms of this conversation, he's better than Ferdinand, which is what I commented on in the first place. I don't know if I can give you 'the best CB in the world at the moment', but I rate Vidić, Terry and Carvalho ahead of Rio Ferdinand. I rate Rio Ferdinand on about the same level as Kolo Touré, a fit Nesta, or Christian Chivu.

comparing rio to toure is just an insult to football. we are talking about a player that let someone as useless as gallas come in and assume the captaincy

[RandyfromPennywise]

thats an emotional attachment carvalho>terry - as a player and defenderShow me where I have biased my judgement on those attributes with an emotional attachment to Terry. Please.


his main export is pain
Yeah. And he's better than Rio.
comparing rio to toure is just an insult to football. we are talking about a player that let someone as useless as gallas come in and assume the captaincyKolo's pretty good. It's not an insult to football to compare Rio and Kolo. It's an insult to football to suggest that it's an insult to football that Rio Ferdinand is that much better than Kolo.

Bahrain 0 - 1 Australia. We're all going on an African holiday, African holiday...

[Britney Diva]

haha look what I found buried at the bottom of a football shorts segment

Tottenham have sacked their goalkeeping coach Hans Leitert and Spurs boss Harry Redknapp is likely to recommend David Coles from his former club Portsmouth for the role.

[mph4ever]

Show me where I have biased my judgement on those attributes with an emotional attachment to Terry. Please.



In terms of pure skill, Carvalho is better. Finishing, passing, movement. In terms of attributes which are important for defenders:

Passing - equal
Tackling - probably equal, Terry maybe in front
Marking - probably equal
Heading - Terry in front but Carvalho's good too
Positional play - probably equal
Anticipation - Carvalho in front
Attacking - Carvalho in front by a long way except for set-pieces

this suggests to me that carvalho is better in most if not all areas. so why, if fit, wouldn't you have him down first? he was voted chelseas players player of the year 2008.


Kolo's pretty good. It's not an insult to football to compare Rio and Kolo. It's an insult to football to suggest that it's an insult to football that Rio Ferdinand is that much better than Kolo.

hahahaha. you had a stubby whilst watching the game? rio is a much better player than kolo. at present he is the best around. rio runs a defence, kolo just plays in one. vidic benefits massively from rio, no one benefits from kolo except the opposition


Bahrain 0 - 1 Australia. We're all going on an African holiday, African holiday...

good for you. whats the time difference? be pulling some late nights for that one

[poorquality]

Terry's a genius, allow the Germans back into the game, then score the decisive goal. It goes down as Terry winning us the game B)

[Britney Diva]

Jesus, I can see why this Fabianski lad is such a hit at Arsenal. He's one of the worst goalkeepers I've ever seen!

Poland 3 - 2 Ireland

3 goals in the last 5 minutes, almost finished 3-3 but for a fortuitous block from the Brazilian lad

Can't really argue with the result as Poland have better players but given as it was our first choice defence it's kind of worrying that we could ship 3 like that.

[Frankie]

Downing was mint tonight like.

[Pastorius]

Go on Wales.
Bellamy is a selfish moron but at least he scored the winner.

[mph4ever]

i saw nothing, i am going to have to get over this apathy that i have for friendlies

although i did hear that terry and the gk made a mess of the first one. funny how thats the only thing i picked up keke

[Pastorius]

yeah it was hilarious

[poorquality]

To be fair to Terry though, he came out and took the blame, basic defending, if you're unsure clear the ball away anywhere.


Though was much easier to take the blame when you've scored the winning goal.

[Kickflip_Burrito]

Last night's result goes to show just how lousy the Premiership primadonnas are for their country!

Great result, agreed with ITV that Upson was MotM, he was great, solid in defence.

[mph4ever]

comparing rio to toure is just an insult to football. we are talking about a player that let someone as useless as gallas come in and assume the captaincy


hahahahahahahaha


gallas stripped of captaincy hahahahahah

going to be cesc, either that or he'll leave

[808]

What about Toure?

[Britney Diva]

I can't see him being the best captain if he's sitting on the bench. That's more a Spurs approach really.

[808]

Make Almunia captain in the mean time?

[mph4ever]

What about Toure?


i wouldn't give the armband to toure. hes a bit of a looper. cesc is so young that we don't know enough. make him captain now and you are really betting on him becoming world class. he isn't there yet. arsenal need some world class purchases. this philosophical approach can only last so long. could be the first team with a captain at the back, captain in midfield and a captain up front. the whole future of arsenal depends on this. villa are waiting in the wings

[Britney Diva]

Make Almunia captain in the mean time?
Strip the captaincy from the worst player at the club and give it to the second worst?

[Iai]

I'd probably make Almunia or Clichy captain if I'm being honest.

Also, Almunia > Eboue, surely.

[mph4ever]

Also, Almunia > Eboue, surely.

nah, eboue is a much better keeper

[Britney Diva]

Silvestre would probably be the smart choice for captain. He'll never be the best player in the world, but he's sensible and never gives less than 100%. Fabregas is probably the long-term option, should he choose to stay, but he still has that kind of petulant streak that Gallas has never seemed capable of overcoming.

[mph4ever]

i genuinely never understood wenger making him captain. i believe it a serious failure as a manager on his behalf. sort of thing houllier would have done

[mph4ever]

liverpool fans must be laughing at the gooners now

[TakeWarning]

Yeah, huge shenanigans going down at Arsenal. Gallas admitted to breaking up a fight in the dressing room at half-time during the Spurs game. He said it was a 25 year old player involved.

Here's hoping they begin to fall apart like they did at the end of last season.

[Iai]

Adebayor is 25, is he not? Bet it was him and Bendtner.

edit: He's 24 actually. Sagna, Eboue, and Van Persie are 25 (as is Eduardo but if he was fighting then they have srs problems).

[TakeWarning]

I'm willing to bet it was Van Persie. If Gallas genuinely didn't want the media to know who was involved he wouldn't have said anything at all. Like when he dropped incredibly obvious hints that Samir Nasri was a troublemaker at Euro.

[RandyfromPennywise]

Woulda been van Persie for sure. He's got handbags written all over him. Arrogant, diving twat, just like Robben. But Robben seemed to be a decent guy off the pitch.

Plath why do you hate Gallas so much? He was actually a pretty awesome defender a couple of years ago.

Australia 9 points from 3 matches in WC qualifying, get in.

Adelaide United 2-0 Sydney, back up in to second. And fuk off, I can talk about A-League in here if I want to.

Chelsea 4-0 Newcastle.
Villa 1-2 United.

[Happy]

And fuk off, I can't talk about A-League in here if I want to.
Good to see you know your place

[RandyfromPennywise]

Good to see you know your place

One of you cunts edited it for sure!

[Pastorius]

Anus-league

[Britney Diva]

Plath why do you hate Gallas so much? He was actually a pretty awesome defender a couple of years ago.
He was a pretty good full-back. He's a horrible centre-half and the person who put him there should probably admit that they ****ed up.

Whoever picked Almunia won the pools.

[Pastorius]

Gallas left out of the squad, Arsenal are in disarray.

I predict 4-0 Man City.

[Britney Diva]

It's 1-0 already.

[Pastorius]

Stevie Ireland, what form he is on. Had him pegged for a good season from the start.

[Happy]

Why is Frankie never around when Boro are sucking?

[Iai]

I'm here :(

According to my girlfriend, Ribena just scored.

[mph4ever]

laugh all day at arsenal. no trophies, no captain, soon to be no manager. all this philosophical crap. only problem is that it might cause villa to raise their game again, starting today :(

gallas was never that good. he was always a mediocre player.

[Pastorius]

where the hell is frankie to lol at

[Iai]

Hey I'm worthy of your lolz too!

[Pastorius]

Meh, I can't really say anything, not taking Fulham at home means I am currently residing in a glass house.

The only saving grace is Chelscum are drawing too.

[Iai]

Actually fudge that where the arsenal fans at

[Pastorius]

Ha ha ha.

My 4-0 prediction could be coming true.

[pianotuna]

it's a shame the other two top-four results so far make the result pretty redundant, but eh, who cares; it's still fun.

[Britney Diva]

lol Arsenal

None of the top 6 have won today, meaning one of United and Villa stands to gain big.

[mph4ever]

hahahahaha

got to love hull though

[poorquality]

United have to win, the top 4 can't all not win :P What a day for us if we do win though, every other result has turned out well for us.

*obligatory lol at arsenal*

Anywho I think i'm in love with Hull, they'll get a UEFA cup spot >_>

As far as the United game going, bit disapointed O'Shea got the nod at right back ahead of Rafael, I just want to see that boy play first team every week.

Also Welbeck on the bench, will get 20 mins hopefully, get another screamer.

And i may have to get rid of Anderson from my fantasy team, as he's not being played because of the top class form of Fletcher at the moment...

[Iai]

If Rafael played, O'Neill would just stick Ashley Young on the left and completely take the piss out of him. I mean he's got a lot of promise but he's not ready for that kind of challenge.

[Britney Diva]

Rafael clearly hasn't learned to defend yet. O'Shea won't provide much going forward, but then again United are hardly short of outlets.

[Pastorius]

Yeah Ashley Young would school him.

[poorquality]

Yeah fair point, I just want to see him play every week, he keeps impressing me with his determination and attacking play, his tackling is sometimes suspect but he'll improve.

Also I was wrong, Anderson is being kept out by a central partnership of either Carrick + Giggs or Carrick + Park :S Fletcher being injured still.

[The_Passenger]

none of the big 4 score this round of matches, it must be years since that's happened (half expects someone to come out and say it happened last season or something like that)

[Pastorius]

Man United haven't played yet

[The_Passenger]

huh? am i missing a joke here?

[mph4ever]

manu need a midfielder, quick

[Pastorius]

Woooops thought Man U was tomorrow, my bad.

That's great that all the top 4 drew, given that Liverpool are part of them.

[ChodaBoy]

Apparently a change of captaincy is now a reason for losing 3-0...

I (in a biased manner) prefer to say City played well. Crap first half, but whenever Arsenal went for something (and they had easily enough chances), it was broken down.

[Echleon]

People laughed when I said Villa had a chance for 4th spot! It could still happen!

Shite game for United today, Rooney missed a sitter, Tevez looked really rusty and unfocused and we really missed Fletcher in midfield to be honest.

At least people will stop blaiming our short-comings this season on Berba.

[mph4ever]

i said villa would take either arsenal or liverpools place and i stand by that, can only hope i'm right

[Pastorius]

I would never laugh at Villa's chances to break the top 4.

Looking more like Arsenal than Liverpool now! I really hope this isn't the start of the Liverpool mid-season slump we've become famous for

[Happy]

Spurs top 4 innit.

Harry Houdini

[Echleon]

'Ary will find a way i'm sure.

[Happy]

Throw money at the problem.

[mph4ever]

I would never laugh at Villa's chances to break the top 4.

Looking more like Arsenal than Liverpool now! I really hope this isn't the start of the Liverpool rest of season slump we've become famous for

fixed


and spurs are good for europe although i doubt it will be via the carling cup

[Happy]

Well, its looking like our best bet right now.

[Pastorius]

fixed


and spurs are good for europe although i doubt it will be via the carling cup

oh lol m8 lol

We've got to pick it up and beat teams like Fulham if we've got any chance of challenging for the title.

So so glad that other teams didn't gain any ground on us today.

[mph4ever]

its like today never happened unless you are a gooner

[Pastorius]

Pretty much. Arsenal are boned unless they get their act together.

[mph4ever]

unless they sack their manager

[Happy]

That would be pretty funny.

[mph4ever]

it'd be a victory for english football

[Happy]

It'd be weird because he's been the Arsenal manager since I was a little kid :-/

[mph4ever]

no, it'd be great, back to same old arsenal always cheating, one nil to the arsenal, boring, boring arsenal. at least then they just might challenge for a trophy insteead of this two horse race we have presently

[TakeWarning]

I think I prefer Arsenal how they are now. Back in the day they were a bunch of wankers who were English. These days, they're a bunch of wankers who are foreign.

The difference is when they were English we actually had to endure them winning something.

[radtaste]

Go Schwarzer.

[Pastorius]

Wish I'd switched Scwarzer for VdS now, but how could I have known?

I couldn't have known!

I prefer Arsenal how they are now. Falling apart with a Frenchman coming under the cosh and fighting amongst themselves!

[mph4ever]

its funny

[RandyfromPennywise]

Maybe Rio Ferdinand could teach him a thing or two about spending up after he and his team-mates bought a thoroughbred to celebrate their UEFA Champions League victory.

The army of Red Devils christened the horse Moscow Eight. No guesses there, but Rio went one step further this week with England team-mate Ashley Cole.

The two are teaming up to produce a gangster film called Dead Man Running, which will feature rap star 50 cent.

Bahaha could you get two bigger fukwits? Well 50¢ - just maybe!

[Interstate]

It's a bloody joke.

And I'm an Arsenal fan!

[mph4ever]

roy keane looks lost

[RandyfromPennywise]

Gianfranco Zola a la la la la la Gianfranco Zola a la la la la la!!!

Zola reigns supreme, Keano's got nothing.

[mph4ever]

zola as the next manager of manu then?

[Pastorius]

lol

[Britney Diva]

That's the worst football match I've seen since United - Villa.

[mph4ever]

they're coming quick and fast these days

[mph4ever]

mex 0 - 2 bra

present scoreline in womens football

i wonder do they get two cups as the trophy

[poorquality]

This weekends been dull in footballing terms really, I don't think it's any coincidence this has happened after the international break. Players flying miles, playing, flying miles back and being forced to play again.

All matches i've seen so far this weekend have shown players distinctly off the mark, reacting slower and generally just not playing how we know they can play.

Which is why I agree with Wengers comment, why bother with International Friendlies 4 months before the next internation qualifier?

[Britney Diva]

Why bother with the Champions League? They're international players at the top of the world game, they should be able to cope with 6 internationals a year. Wenger's loyalty is to his club so he's obviously going to say that, but ask the average England fan if he thought the midweek friendlies were a waste of time.

[poorquality]

I'm an average england fan and I think the internationals midweek were a waste of time..for god's sake it was Germany in a friendly, neither team playing full strength, it meant nothing.

It doesn't matter if you're an international quality player, a 12 hour flight followed by a match followed by a 12 hour flight then training then another match in the space of 4 days would hinder anyone.

The champions league argument is redundant, you play for being the best team in Europe, what do you win by winning an international friendly?

EDIT: Plus you only play around Europe, no sudden trips to Brazil

If it was a qualifier then fair enough, they're important games, friendlies are not, atleast friendlies that are 4 months before a qualifier, things will change in 4 months, it doesn't give an accurate representation of the quality available to the manager at the time when he needs them.

[RandyfromPennywise]

But on the other hand, national teams need to get together regularly.

Look at Australia. We used to play two international matches with everything on the line, every four years. Now we play Asian Cup and World Cup qualifiers regularly, and we are a much, much better side now.

[The_Passenger]

I've never liked the tiredness arguement because it's never used as an excuse if teams have had to go out to Eastern Europe for a Champions' League game and then the team struggle at the weekend.

Robinho had to fly to Brazil and back during the week, he was hardly under par. I'd say the 'boring' level of the football was more to do with decent defending than some players having to do a bit of flying midweek. Also I don't remember the football being particularly low quality after the last midweek friendly games back in August.

People dislike international friendlies because managers use them as an excuse for a poor performance and fans lap it up because they don't like admitting that their team just happened to be cack on the day. It's exactly the same with refereeing desicions or "they played on Tuesday then Sunday, we had to play Wednesday then Saturday".

[mph4ever]

for those that are fit, its a run out, an experience and for those on the firnge it proves they can fit in with the regular team. problems i have is the injuries that players pick up

also i think champs league this week contributed to players being carefull for the internationals and not going all out at the weekend

[Pastorius]

I don't like the fact that Gerrard was required to go to the England camp so they could check if he was injured but no-one else was.

Then lo and behold, Gerrard is injured and everyone else gets back on the field in time for Saturday.

[The_Passenger]

Gerrard was the only player who pulled out before the team met up despite playing 90 minutes on Saturday as far as I'm aware. The other players ether didn't play at the weekend or didn't withdraw until they'd been checked by the FA's doctors.

[mph4ever]

and they were keeping him for champs league, didn't think they'd need him against fulham. should've said he was fit and played him in gemany and at the weekend

by the way, thats just cynical speculation on my behalf

[Pastorius]

Look at you with your logic and reason. He injured himself after Saturday though :(

[poorquality]

I still think the midweek internationals affected players performances this weekend, Robinho does seem to be the exception for whatever reason. I just can't see it as a coincidence that the weekend following an international break had none of the top 10 prem sides getting a win (everton haven't played yet granted), and 2 of the top 9 la liga teams have managed to win.

These include the likes of Liverpool and Chelsea only getting draws against inferior opposition, both at home and Barcelona drawing with Getafe at home.

You can see a couple of teams struggling for form, it happens, but 19 teams from arguably the best leagues in the world with some of the best rated players in the world all not performing to their usual standards..seems like too big a coincidence.

[mph4ever]

I still think the midweek internationals affected players performances this weekend, Robinho does seem to be the exception for whatever reason. I just can't see it as a coincidence that the weekend following an international break had none of the top 10 prem sides getting a win (everton haven't played yet granted), and 2 of the top 9 la liga teams have managed to win.

These include the likes of Liverpool and Chelsea only getting draws against inferior opposition, both at home and Barcelona drawing with Getafe at home.

You can see a couple of teams struggling for form, it happens, but 19 teams from arguably the best leagues in the world with some of the best rated players in the world all not performing to their usual standards..seems like too big a coincidence.


maybe the players are more professional than we think!

[Britney Diva]

Newcastle have probably as many internationals as Chelsea and they played out of their skins. Are we supposed to conclude that players from the big teams are less able to deal with a hectic schedule than their inferiors?

[mph4ever]

or do they want to be that way?

[poorquality]

Newcastle have probably as many internationals as Chelsea and they played out of their skins. Are we supposed to conclude that players from the big teams are less able to deal with a hectic schedule than their inferiors?

Of course there will be exceptions, it's not a standard rule that you play internationally midweek you're **** for your club at the weekend, but it certainly has negative effects on performances and this weekends results and performances were a testiment to that.

As far as the example of Newcastle goes, I can't really say, but a lot of things contribute to it, I don't know the distances travelled by Newcastle's internationals compared to Chelsea's, or how many went, how many played and how long they may or may not have played for. But even so that's one example out of a great many instances involving top class internationals.

I just can't accept that someone would be capable of playing as well as they can after 5 days of flying/training/top level football x2.

[Britney Diva]

I agree with poorquality, we need to abolish the Champions League and UEFA Cup ASAP.

[poorquality]

Yes because that's what I said -_-

Champions League + UEFA cup amount to something, it's a serious competition.

Now if you were to suggest playing a game such as Chelsea vs Inter Milan as a club friendly on a wednesday people would complain, because it'd be pointless. Friendlies at this stage of the season only serve to hinder teams.

Yeah sure they feel some effects of travelling for european nights, that's what squad depth is for, squad depth goes out the window for top sides during internationals as most of their squad are internationals so there are no chances to play rested players at the weekend. Unless you want to put down a weakened side, which at this stage of the season is suicide.

The only good thing to come out of international friendlies is that everyone is affected, and no-one can seem to take advantage of it due to their own problems.

[Britney Diva]

Yes because that's what I said -_-
I know you didn't, I was just pointing out that you've completely overblown something that doesn't really matter.

I don't really get your problem with internationals, but then again you're English and you guys have attachments to your local clubs that don't really exist elsewhere in the world. I still think most people, including most English people, are glad to see the odd semi-meaningful friendly to break up the monotony of the club season.

[poorquality]

I know i'm probably overreacting, I don't tend to have an issue with internationals, I just get frustrated that we get pointless friendlies mid-season, I wouldn't really mind a friendly in like 3 months time when we're closer to actually playing qualifiers. I know a national team has to be able to play together, I agree with that, I just think it should happen at more useful times such as before a qualifier, not 4 months before it.

[Britney Diva]

As far as I know, international friendlies are scheduled around CL/UEFA Cup and domestic cup competitions. So if you're going to complain to anyone, it's the people who arrange the European trophies.

[TakeWarning]

I reckon we should just abolish the English Premier League and have friendlies every week.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/LiverpoolFans.jpg/800px-LiverpoolFans.jpg

[Happy]

If they had beards they'd totally be Pasta

[Pastorius]

i don't have a chuffing scousefro!

[mph4ever]

calm down, calm down

[Pastorius]

ey!

ey!

ey!

[mph4ever]

hehehehehe

see arsenal have taken a chance by appointing cesc as captain. i hope he does well since he is an excellent player

[Pastorius]

He could do well, he's an beacon of hope for Arsenal fans. He's young but he can't be worse than Gallas.

[TakeWarning]

Fagregas certainly hasn't look interested this season, but like Pasta said he couldn't do a worse job than Gallas.

I think it could be an attempt to keep him at the club, a-la the Henry captain decision.

[Britney Diva]

I wouldn't say Fabregas has looked disinterested this season, he's just surrounded by players doing the exact same job as him. I honestly can't tell the difference between him, Nasri and Denilson.

[TakeWarning]

Fair enough. Well, Arsenal's midfield could really do with some adjustments, I never saw the point in buying Nasri when Fabregas is the same player. Wenger has got a very unbalanced squad at the moment, I think he's lost the plot.

"... Wenger dismissed suggestions that his team were crying out for leadership. "I believe in good passing rather than a guy who jumps around with his hands in the air and plays the leader," he said."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-Football.html

[jingledeath]

I honestly can't tell the difference between him, Nasri and Denilson.
I find Nasri to be a more attacking player then Fabregas and Denilson is probably their worst midfielder.He's awful when you consider the fact that he's a Brazillian.

[Happy]

Awful Brazillians?

Gomes anyone?

[mph4ever]

nah, but another fine result for spurs at the w/e

wenger has come to the end of his time. change now or forever play beautiful football and win nothing

[E sharp]

Lennon is a little magician.

[Happy]

Always been one of my favourite Spurs players.

[mph4ever]

'cept for those eyebrows

[Happy]

I can let that slide.

[ThrashMaster27]

Lennon's eyebrows are gangster!

I feel sorry for Gomes. Everytime I watch a game I'm nervous, but at the same time I want him to have a decent game and regain some confidence. He pulls off such amazing saves, which is really disheartening.

Anyhow, I'm not a fan of playing Bentley on the left hand side for Spurs. He's doesn't know what to do over there, but with Lennon playing on the right aswell what can you do?

[E sharp]

'cept for those eyebrows

Haha.. the gangsta **** continues on to his hair

[jingledeath]

Anyhow, I'm not a fan of playing Bentley on the left hand side for Spurs.
Where'd he play for Blackburn?Centre or Wing?

[TakeWarning]

Right wing.

He's not really a natural winger though, just a midfielder who gets put out there more than anything, much like Beckham.

[mph4ever]

yeah, he had been compared to beckham on many occasions. just hope he doesn't marry a dog and ruin his football career, oh, and i hope hes faster too

the beckhams earned the third highest amount of all hollywood couples last year, coming in at 38 million

[jingledeath]

Dude Beckham is still the ****.Put him in an England shirt now and he'll still play better then Lampard or Gerrard.

[Happy]

Everyone loves Beckham.

[Pastorius]

Beckham now is no way as good as Gerrard now.

[Britney Diva]

I always thought Beckham would be a decent holding midfielder. Well, apart from his inability to defend, but it's not as if Lampard or Gerrard are any better at that either.

[mph4ever]

deadball situations, beckham=god. moving ball and he really wasn't so good. he had no pace, relied on keane, scholes and neville to make room for him, he had a bitchy little temper, couldn't get over things easily, married a dog, the list goes on

[Pastorius]

Gerrard makes some superb covering tackles, what are you on about!

[RandyfromPennywise]

So does Lampard! What are you on about Britney Fan?

[Pastorius]

Someone suggested that Gerrard wasn't much of a defensive midfielder. Just because he's excellent going forward doesn't mean he's not good in defense either.

[Britney Diva]

They both have their moments but neither is a holding player.

[Pastorius]

No, not a holding player by far, but they have defensive qualities. The amount of times Stevie tracks back and stops an attack is a huge boost to the team.

[Britney Diva]

Well that was my point: when Gerrard has been asked to play in a sitting midfield role he hasn't been particularly effective, which is probably why Benitez loves Mascherano so much.

[Pastorius]

Solution: don't play him in a holding midfield role.

[mph4ever]

flippin' celtic, eh?

[TakeWarning]

Gerrard is out of position alot. Which is fine becuase he's usually got Alonso and Mascherano to cover for him, both of whom are pretty excellent positionally.

In other news, seeing Beckham play alot lately, I'd forgotten how good his passing is. It's just sensational at times. :smoke:

[mph4ever]

one of the sweetest passers of the ball ever, put it on a sixpence

[Pastorius]

Good old battle going on for 5th place in the MX league.

the two scouse going for it

[mph4ever]

this is a much more entertaining night in the cl

[mph4ever]

chelsea are having a tough time, should go through against cluj at home

frank is frustrated

[Britney Diva]

this is a much more entertaining night in the cl
I wouldn't know, I watched Liverpool.

[Rhys_A]

Good result tonight, made it through. I hope Chelsea go out.

[badtaste]

Good to see Chelsea struggling.

[Aaron]

I don't think anyone who's not a chelsea fan likes them. Same with man-u.

[TakeWarning]

Lots of people like Man U, e.g. me. If Spurs don't win things, I'd rather Man U win them than Arsenal or Chelsea or Liverpool.

[mph4ever]

I don't think anyone who's not a chelsea fan likes them. Same with man-u.


might of been the way but since chelsea emerged then most hate is for them.

[Aaron]

I got for Man City. People just feel sorry for me, lol

[FrankieV2]

Kaka apparently wants to come to the premiership, he's had words with Robinho about Man City as well.

It's not as if City wouldn't be able to afford him either :p

[mph4ever]

i wonder why kaka would leave milan. they must be the number one club to play for.

[Happy]

Haha I could never imagine Kaka at Man City.

Maybe the players fancy a challenge?

[ChodaBoy]

Before they bought him, could you have imagined Robinho playing for Man City?
I think Kaka would end up at Chelsea if anywhere, though I dont see why he would leave AC.

[Happy]

I was just thinking about Robinho at Man City actually.

Suppose anything's possible.

[Pastorius]

Kaka and Gerrard

[mph4ever]

apparently robinho thought he was going to manu, he couldn't stay at real

[mph4ever]

Kaka and Gerrard

they're too similar

[Pastorius]

I know :(

[Happy]

apparently robinho thought he was going to manu, he couldn't stay at real

I swear he said something like "I'm excited to be playing for Chelsea" when he had his first interview.

:-/

[Britney Diva]

Benitez only signs crap players anyway.

[Pastorius]

Yeah Torres is bloody rubbish

[Britney Diva]

He was probably trying to sign Diego Forlan and got mixed up.

[Pastorius]

Yeah I reckon

[mph4ever]

I swear he said something like "I'm excited to be playing for Chelsea" when he had his first interview.

:-/

being brazillian then he probably only heard he was getting paid in english pounds and thought "i'll have some of that"

[FrankieV2]

Kaka will get payed a lot so theres an incentive.

And Ac are an ageing team and aren't THAT good anymore.

[Iai]

I was gonna say, don't forget all that UEFA action AC are going through this year.

[mph4ever]

which would make you think he should have left in the summer

[Iai]

Milan were probably all like, yeah big name signings wooooo

And then Flamini showed up. And then it was all like, ronaldinho lol isnt that liek five years late

[mph4ever]

so you think hes preparing to leave

where to now? premier or primera?

[Britney Diva]

Pompey 1 Milan 0 :o

[mph4ever]

excellente

and torres out for three weeks minimum

[Pastorius]

Just read that, absolute twatness.

Hopefully Keane will really come into his own now, I wouldn't mind seeing Babel up front with him, really wouldn't. Better him than Ngog.

[Iai]

Pompey 2 - 0 Milan holy crap

[Pastorius]

I know, listening to it now. Unbelievable.

[Pastorius]

Want to see that goal now grrr.

[mph4ever]

kaka to pompey then

[mph4ever]

i hope adams goes back on the beer

[Britney Diva]

lol oh noe

[mph4ever]

thats flippin' cat

[Iai]

What a bunch of eyetie cunts :mad:

[Pastorius]

lol nice one pompey

[StooTwo]

I'm surprised how excellent Portsmouth played tonight.

Says it all though when Milan can afford to make those kinds of substitutions. Kaka, Sheva off... 'Dinho on the bench.

[Britney Diva]

mph, Keith Fahey to Birmingham. Reckon he'll be a candidate for Ireland if he slots in well there?

[The_Passenger]

just got in and seen the pompey score, fairly impressive given they were fielding the likes of glen little. then again it wasn't milan's strongest team (they played shevchenko for god's sake), but still, not bad. anyone know if it was a fair reflection of the game?

[StooTwo]

Portsmouth played really excellent. Milan were okay. Fair reflection? No. Considering both of Milan's goals were in the last 10 minutes or so. Hmm... Maybe for the 90 minutes Pompey should have gotten the 3 points. Just.

[badtaste]

Good save Milan, haha.

edit: nice free kick to Ronnie, and Inzaghi's control for that equaliser was incredible.

[mph4ever]

mph, Keith Fahey to Birmingham. Reckon he'll be a candidate for Ireland if he slots in well there?

saw him at bluebell since L's grandad was life president there. with the way they are set up i thought he had given up but pat's snapped him up.

maybe started too big with the gooners and villa. thats happened to a few that i have seen come through and they find their feet mid career at a lower level and then improve.

[Echleon]

So, it's looking like this we're going to see Arsenal lose 3 league games on the trot.

When was the last time that happened?